Rick Wilson

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Rick Wilson, welcome to.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
How are you on this fine? After him?

Speaker 1 (00:06):
I'm just living the dream, Live in the damn dream.
Donald Trump. You may have heard of him. He's President
of the United States. He's playing golf.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
That is a real shocker to learn that he is,
that he is playing golf. That would be like that,
That would be like me being surprised to learn that
that Ted Cruz was stuffing another hobo in the trunk
of his car.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
My man trying to get sued. I just want I
wish that people could see Jesse's face. He's turned off
his video, but the face of horror was what we saw.
So let's talk about we are getting in another week
of unbridled trump Ism.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
It's true, it is.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
It has been bucknaking trump Ism all week, and you
know it hasn't gotten I mean, I think the things
he set out to do that were outrageous were not
really outrageous. I mean, all the all the ship with
the Russia Gates stuff is just that's just yeah, that
didn't Why was That's just like, as I like to say,
that goes over like a fart and hurricane.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Nobody cares after five minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
That was incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
By the way, I want to do another minute on that,
because like, one of the things that's happened with Trump
is that despite you know, despite the fact that every
institution has happily caved to him, Right, they've just been like, oh,
I'm a billionaire, but if you you know, God forbid.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
I lose millions from our university.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Sure so universities, lawyers, billionaires, cave cave, cave. But what's
interesting is despite the fact that we are all cowards
in America. I think that's the fairest assessment of the case.
His power is lessening and it's like a bizarre phenomenon
to watch. So this week he's obsessed with trying to

(01:47):
distract from Epstein. It's been four weeks of the story.
So so he decides to release the Russia dossier because
he feels that everyone is still living in twenty eventeine discuss.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Look, the most hilarious thing is that they're issuing this
secret addex So the Durham report, it don't prove.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
And what it is.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
What it proved was that all these emails that that
that they claim are the smoking gun that Durham investigated
him and said these were all bullshit.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
They were made up. These aren't real. These didn't exist.
They never were.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
They were never that you could There's no proof whatsoever
they came from the people they say they came from.
Yet Maga went and ran with it because they are
really there. It didn't no, no, it didn't even survive
inside Maga world for four hours.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
It didn't even.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Survive inside that that hothouse of horseshit for twenty four hours.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
It's interesting because it's like Trump has had such a
hold on his base and really on the rest of
us phenomenal, and then this Epstein story just has They
just can't make.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Every day I wake up and I'm like, Okay, They're
going to change the subject today somehow, some way, And
they don't.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Every day it gets worse for them.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
I think sending Glayne Maxwell down to the christ club
bed where the Real Housewives and the Elizabeth Holmes are
parked right now, that was a great optic, John, Yeah,
that was terrific. On a note on that that I
that I was I read about yesterday, Bureau of Prisons
does not answer to the Justice Department.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
No, no, so Bondie.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Or bow or or Blanche could not have called up
a Bureau of Prisons and said, hey, move her to
to the.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
To club fed.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
It had to come from the White House, and also
a me and the White House, the DJ they're the
same now, right, Like there's no there's no independent judiciary.
I think my favorite part of the story is watching
Elizabeth Holmes working out the picture of her blonde hair,
pink lipstick, got weights running in the thing. A friend

(03:59):
of mine who has little kids send it to me
and said with the comment twenty four to seven childcare, Like,
I know jail is bad, but have you taken care
of small children?

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, I mean I find the whole thing. I find
the whole thing to be. I mean it was, and
it did not go over well with even his own people.
It really it's stick on ice. For even his own
people were like very angry about this and as desperate
as they are to get out of the ditch. The
other symbol of his power taking a big hit this

(04:37):
week was John Thune saying, we're gonna technically the Senate open,
so we can't do any recess appointments.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, I think maybe, maybe maybe Judge Janine was the
final bridge for some of these people, like no Mos dude,
I can't.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
They have been so craven, the Republicans in the Senate,
and they have been just so how I mean, they
just you know, the idea of a mean tweet, despite
the fact that the guy is you know, the polling,
by the way, the polling on Epstein is like amazing devastating, right, Like,
eighty percent of Americans are like, he's involved and if

(05:17):
he pardons her it stinks to high.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Have thirty one percent of Republicans think he was involved
in crimes with Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
These are your base.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
These are the people who voted for you, and they
still think you did.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
I will say, those people are like, yes, perhaps Donald
Trump was a pedophile, but I still love him to death.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Right.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
That's the psychotic like super frenzy people.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Oh, that's insane.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
It's it's madness, Molly, it is. It is beyond the
valley of madness. And and nobody, nobody in Washington.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Right now is waking up thinking, man, this is gonna
get so much better.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Yeah, no, they're not. There is no one, And but
it is. It's funny because it's like we're basically hurtling
towards a cliff, right, the public markets are like, I
have decided that really now Trump is serious. They don't
like the tariffs, and we have all day Canadian officials
on MSNBC being like, please, please, please, are lower the tariffs.

(06:15):
Little do they know they should be going on Fox
and Friends because he doesn't watch it in his NBC,
you know. And and my man is just like taking
a change, and you know, he's out playing golf. So
it doesn't strike me.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
His his reaction to this whole scandal, to this whole discovery.
He has gotten it wrong at every turn. Yeah, he's
got it wrong at every turn. And I think right
now you're right. I think the markets are finally saying,
oh shit, he's not playing anymore now this now this
has become a real crisis. He's not going to be

(06:53):
able to walk and chew gum on this. And if
he just replaces the person that bere labor statistics, or
even if he got ridigial own Powell, just doing these
things has actually just doing talking about these things actually
made the market less confident, right, you know, it's actually
made the more more nervous about the future. And and

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there are a lot of reasons to think that that
that the market could take a very swift turn in
the wrong direction.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
For Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
And and the bad news is we're all going to
lose a lot of money. The good news, the good
news is the retirement folks. The good news is and also,
by the way, I want another thing that you may
not have heard this week is that Elon Musk's Department
of Government Efficiency caused US billions of tax fare dollars. Right,

(07:45):
got another good line.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Way to go, Elon, Good work there, Champ.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
The bad news about Donald Trump driving us into a
ditch is that Donald Trump is driving us into a ditch.
The good news about Donald Trump driving us into a
ditch is that he is changing public sentiment and he's
already pretty unpopular. It turns out those videos of the
crying women being dragged from their cars in front of

(08:10):
their children because Stephen Miller wants more people deported is
not it ain't it.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Ain't it Chief?

Speaker 2 (08:20):
It ain't it Chief? You know what, Molly, I think.
I think that's a really good point.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
And I think one of the things that we're seeing
right now is is there's a if you watch Fox
and you get your news from Facebook and Twitter, you
believe that fifty percent of the country is all in
all the time on Donald Trump, right if if that's
your news environment, that's what you believe. What we're seeing
right now is that Donald Trump is twenty five points

(08:43):
underwater on inflation and prices. Yeah, he's sixteen points underwater
on the economy. He's six points underwater on immigration, which
had been traditionally which is the strongest issue. And so
you're right, his power is now at that point where
it is diminishing, it is shrinking. I think that makes
him more dangerous in terms of the use of executive power.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
But it does show you that he's on a clock now,
that this that this, that this show is running out
of gas.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
I think, yes, it's out of gas. I also think
the power of trump Ism is not the same. Like
Lindsey Graham has been the SICKA fan to end all
CICKA fans, He's been he's being primaried, Yeah, by by the.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
MAGA, by a MAGA by a MAGA project twenty twenty five. Bro,
what do you think Lindsay's gonna learn from that?

Speaker 2 (09:34):
What lesson? Is he gonna learn nothing? If he wins,
he'll still say, oh, Donald Trump, he's the president I
owe him everything, but you know you're right. He's been
the ultimate as kisser for Trump over and over over.
He traveled the furthest from the light to the dark
of almost anybody in the Senate, and from John McCain
to Donald Trump, and his reward is affiliation and possible defeat.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
It is. I have to tell you, no one has
ever had a smarter book title than you, my friend.
I'm serious, Like, here's a guy who's hitched his wagon
to Donald J. Trump and now he is uh.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Now he's going to get spanked in a primary and
look wins. I'll tell you if Donald Trump comes out
and says vote for whatever, this probably five dip shit?
Is Paul Dan's in a Trump's Trump's ward is law
in Republican primaries. There are very few cases where he
doesn't win.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Is there?

Speaker 4 (10:31):
So? North Carolina Democrats have Copper Cooper Copper, Yeah, Copper
Cooper Cooper.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think he calls the Copper, but I don't care.
I'll take Cooper because it sounds more sane. He's a
just unbelievably good candidate.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
One state wide governor dream in a rapidly purpling state.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
You could not ask for better Maine.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
No one.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
What's happening in man?

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Look, I'm hearing the Page is trying to make it,
trying to make a comeback run you know, another another
run publican.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
So but we have they have a Republican I know.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
But but that now they're all grumpy about Collins and.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
You know, so the Page is going to run, so
I hope.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
So my understanding.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
About a week ago I talked to somebody who does
Senate polling who said they're watching over their shoulder because PAULA.
Page is making all this noise and Trump wants Trump.
Trump apparently wants him instead of as Collins, even though
Collins ends up voting from nine to nine percent of
the time. He doesn't like any they like.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
So if the Page wins, So is there a where's
the Democrat?

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Who is the Democrat?

Speaker 2 (11:32):
There is a man, I'm sorry, you've got me. You
got me short on this one.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
No one.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
There isn't anyone so far.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Not so far. There was a there was somebody who
passed on in a former statewide official who passed on it.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
Janet Mills would but she's seventy seven years old. She's
the governor now. So it's a six year term Democrats
are trying to phase.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Out the older.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
There are a lot of good, good younger politicians in Maine.
I don't know them as well as I know some
of the other swinging or states. I think something will
emerge there for two reasons. One, Maine is going to
be on the forefront of this rural healthcare wipeout that
the bad bill has engineered. Two, if it is Lapage,
he evokes a very visceral reaction in Democrats because he

(12:16):
is a what's the word, I'm looking for, rabid psychopath,
and so I think he'll.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Tell us what you really think.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
But look, North Carolina is a is a piece of
good news. I think we've got a very interesting situation
in the House right now because of all the redistrict
and garbage.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Let's talk about the House. Texas Republicans likely heading to Illinois,
YEP to break the quorum, being protected by your friend
of mine, Governor.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Pritzker, Prisk.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Is there a world in which Governor Pritzker ends up
like this, ends up making him president in twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
It's way too early to like many a slip between
the cup and the lip between here and twenty eight.
But the Democratic governors are at the front line of this.
And if Texas and Ohio and Florida, all of whom
we're talking about doing this, do this in California and
Oregon and Washington and Illinois and New York and Massachusetts

(13:17):
have to do the same thing. We cannot be disarmed here.
We cannot because you know, as I said on TV
this morning with Me with You, in fact, that was
a good hit.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
We had a good hit.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
That was a really long hit.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
We just kept going and I.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Was like, I kept thinking that. I kept like wrapping
up and him. Then he like, and what about fun?
That was a good one. He's always so good. My
theory of the case is if Republicans take back the House,
I don't think they'll certify the twenty twenty eight election.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
For a Democrat.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Definitely true.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
I don't think they'll certify the election.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
No, but we can't get into I mean, yes, I
don't want to get.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
That far down the line. I just crap out of them.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
This year, Republicans are going to take back that. I
think Republicans are going to lose the House. I think
the reason they want to reach district is because they
know they're going to lose a house.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
I think they're looking for a cheat code to win. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
And I think I also want to add, I think
that what is happening now, the unpopularity of the Democratic
brand is not because the Democratic brand is unpopular, which
it is. It's because Democrats are mad at them because
they suck a.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Pissed at their own leaderships. They're not being fighters, right.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
And there's that right. I don't think that means they're
going to vote for Republicans.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
I think it means they're furious.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Because they're furious. Look, it might mean they don't turn out,
but they're at a Swiss.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Parties, right, They're not jumping in like, hey, you know
what I need my week? The Democratic Party leadership means
I want fascism. It's not how this works.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
But I also think what's interesting about all those poll
numbers is to see, you know, we have had so
many news cycles about young men being Trumpers, but young
women are not, and they are. And the first of all,
Trump has lost a.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Lot of nine ten now with young right under thirty.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yes, but also like Trump has lost a lot of
those young men with the Epstein files. I mean, I
was just reading some reporting about you know, all these
young men who he went on these podcasts, he got
these low frequency voters, and then all these low frequency
voters wanted one of the things that honestly Joe Robin wants, right,
you know, not to have COVID restrictions. All right, okay,

(15:23):
no COVID restrictions. They're very helpful when there's no COVID.
And then also, you know, they wanted the Epstein files
release because they felt that you know, somehow, there was
some you know whatever.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
They had a theory, they had a theory of the
world that it's not exactly the same one that the
right wing has that the Maga wright has. Part of
their theory of the world is we've gotten fucked over
as young men, right because powerful, powerful people always protect
each other and they and they never protect us. So
Epstein had kind of a resonance with them, different than

(15:56):
the QAnon Maga version of that theory.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
They intercense, but equally stupid. Oh yeah, yeah, ridiculous, absurd.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
We are in the end times of moronics. I think
it's important to take a minute.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
To just I think we have to be very honest
with ourselves as a country that you know, Maga really
stands for morons or governing America. We have placed a
cultural frame around it. Expertise, as our friend Dominicals has
written about brilliantly education and I use this word advisedly.
But the hatred of elites of any kind, whether cognitive

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or financial or anything else, leads them down this rabbit
hole where they reward stupid behavior. Yeah, and they and
they elevate stupid behavior. And you know, three hundred thousand
years of human evolution or whatever the whatever, the hominid
phase of evolution what you want to use is has
been about us being less stupid.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, so we do not.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Get yeah, yeah, yeah, and we're getting it.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
I think that's it.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
We're definitely at best, we're going to get eaten ed
rarst who knows. So let's talk about the Trump has
continued to express his ir towards the head of the
Bureau of Labor Statistics fired.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
He fired her, but.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Now he's still tweeting about true thing about her. So
I wonder does the does she end up in Seacott?

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Right, Oh, listen, I wouldn't doubt anything at this point
with this guy. He could do the sort of thing
that he's doing. Trying to do with Jack Smith right now, oh,
Hatch Act. These are the people that have treated the
Hatch Act like it was right, I know, not even
a recommendation, but more of a broke But you know, look,
I think I think there are a lot of people

(17:42):
in the markets who do not like the idea of
not having good data to go by. Why not only
do they like making money, they also have a fiduciary
obligation to have correct data for their clients. And so
you know, Trump eliminating that and it's it's like a
lot of leaders have done.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
This is a problem that Biden world had too with
the inflation. Sure cannot tell people something and then have
them have a lived experience that does run counter.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
So you know, your costs a dollar fifty now and
people are like right where?

Speaker 4 (18:17):
And that's the thing is like Donald Trump can bring
in mister Wonderful as the head of Bureau and Labor Statistics,
or he can bring in Eric, give Eric the job,
but but what happens the job he does. But what
happens is people have their own lived experience, and their
lived experience will not drive with mister Wonderful telling them

(18:38):
that it's correct.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
You know, Orange Man.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Great, and so I think we're going to play out
and and it's hard for me to imagine that things
don't get worse before they get better.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
He's used up all the economic capital that he had,
He's burned it. The tariffs, this insanity fighting with the Fed.
The markets are are now reaching the point they're like,
oh God, okay, we can't fake this anymore.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, they got their.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Tax cut, so they've they've they've achieved their goals in
the in the second Trump administration.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
By and large, at least, the estate tax has gone down,
which is what all of Americans really longed for.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Every every middle class American really thinks that night I
got How am I going to dispose of my twenty
five million dollar estate if I die and not screw
my children financially?

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yes, for America has once again benefited from again trickle
down economics. Rick Wilson, Well, they drunk fast. Will you
come back, I'll come back, You'll come back.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
I'll come back every time.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Right, all right, that's right, all right, We'll see you
next time. I'll see you next time.