16 - The John Jay Scandal (Sexual Harassment on NY College Campuses Series Pt. 1)

Sitdown comedians and cousins Evan Mastronardi and Chris Bojemski examine the pattern of sexual assault from faculty toward students at CUNY John Jay from 2013 through present day.

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Episode Transcript

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Back at it again, boys,back at in the DM the saddle again,
riding these dms to greatness. You'relet brolick saddling brolic dms. It's
a brolick Saturday morning between the BayArea and the Bronx. What are we

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drinking today? This is a thisis a knob Creek whiskey, just straight.
I just didn't I didn't have theenergy to put something nice together.
So it's a tog glass of everyoneshut the fuck up. Today. I
had eight about eight drinks? UhWednesday night? You did? Yes,

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well, a comparison between Wednesday,I mean a combination between Wednesday afternoon into
Wednesday night for end of the semesterslash me leaving my job. That's much.
We got to introduce ourselves and saywhat the fuck is going on?
So, yes, you're listening tothe Bralic All Things Brooke network. I'm

(01:07):
Evan Mationarity and every week I reada story of New York history to a
boy in the Bay. My cousinChris, who has no idea what the
story is going to be about,no idea, what the never had.
That's how we like it. He'snever had an idea, But I've got
We even got stories where he finishesit and I still don't know what the

(01:29):
fuck is going on. Yeah,well that's the thing. Half the time,
the Bronx still doesn't know what happened, but we still got an opinion.
Yeah, that's kind of the NewYork really is that you know,
there's there's so But I've found overthe past, how many episodes have we
done now, like seven or thisis number sixteen? My god, And

(01:55):
it's it's funny because it's like,I just feel like so many of these
stories of no beginning or ending,it's just it's just just some calamity of
the middle of a story that happenedsomewhere. You try, I've lost you
tried to getting at an end ofthese stories, but we don't jurist.
It's just it's just the perfect,the perfect union of like raw chaos.

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We have people called clam diggers thatlive and proceed to continue to call themselves
and a laundromat this yes, inCity Island in a post in a post
nineteen sixty four world, they calledthemselves this um. Yeah, yeah,

(02:39):
we should be a protected class too. Yeah, because we've been here,
Because we've been here and we reallylike clams. We don't like that you
come here, that you could thatyou travel that bridge fucking three hundred and
fifty feet away on the other partof the Bronx to come to our part
of the Bronx to get our clamsthat were not ours, that were the

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Native Americans. But if that doesn'tmatter right now, even if it was
their clams to begin with, andover the fact that that's someone generation Italians,
that's someone found city island for fightingover. It's not just the island,
it's like this. It's like thisspecifically that our seafood in this zip

(03:25):
code is ours. Okay, yep, doesn't matter how many episodes on we
get from that. It just blowsmy mind every time. And even then
between Louise and Sammy's can't be thesame, often imitated Sammy often imitated,
ever duplicated world renown. Mother fuckis in Hong Kong, mad in this

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right now, got a god asMotherfucker's in Morocco. I don't care if
they have better access part Oh myfucking God worldwide known all over the world,
but like one part one part ofChina. Okay, I'll cue the

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music, all right, it's anowl that's gonna play. I've been wanting
to say this all day. Nineteennineteen two thousand, the year of our
Lord Optimus Prime. The guy who'sfilming turns the camera on himself. In
Jubilee begin there will be no tablesladder's chairs here, gentlemen. The's pro

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bono thirteenth century Gregorian chances. Hekeeps claiming he's been poisoned yet by the
fist fucking at all that you take. Because Pat there's a McDonald's university.
It's his decision to an list wasquote a primal compulsion. This is a

(05:03):
living exclamation. Boy, Yeah,Steven, you may have the mob,
but I got the city. Haveyou ever met your ex wife? Because
Sarah exhausted Alexander Graham cell that anumber. I don't talk to Gallardo five
times a day. He's got myfucking house. He LARPs like, hey,

(05:26):
just say no, Tomer marine Faunkosovohelp put a former my PD commissioner
in jail. And now I'm beinghunted by him. How are you doing,
I'm saying on your daughter's couch.Kig is credited in this filk Evan.
I am looking at the official Wikipediapage for him. University. Well,
it was only a matter of timebefore we put these two things together.

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Uh, and we're uh, we'rebrought to you today. Drop the
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(06:11):
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Well, well how about we sayfor nuclear fucking rain Why had a
few years days ago? Listen?Why would I have to pay into a
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(06:34):
I'm probably gonna get getting cancer bythirty five. I don't need you.
I don't need your money. Idon't want to pay money. I hate
that. Well, that's what I'msaying. We all got some kind of
whatever. When Canada gave us thefucking uh what is it, the terror
alert Orange Sky the other day,I mean, we can we can we
really blame Canada. Actually I thinkwe can because they didn't. They cut

(06:57):
funding to the uh the running tosome wildfire prevention that sucks too. Listen,
it's a global problem. In Americais probably the worst ones, but
still so it apparently all indications pointthat's a Canadian actually did commit harson this
time, like like this whole thing, just like just like that other fire

(07:19):
started because's some stupid gender reveal,Like there's a bunch of those, like
we can point every so often toa motherfucker who did something dumb on a
micro scale, even if the macrois us just being irresponsible cocks. Just
because they're polite doesn't mean they can'tdo things wrong. Now it looked like
this actually was ours, I mean, in a perfect rule show and how

(07:41):
the effects it did. But yeah, so yeah that happened. But anyway,
so you're a drinking knob creek,um, oh yeah, the drinks
before we get into the yeah,yeah please, I want to. I
also, I also have no ideawhat the drinks were that night. Yes,
so the drinks were. We startedthe night. We started the day
with the end of the semester partyat Kingsburg Social, which we've been to.

(08:03):
You went there for my birthday.Once you brought your friend. Um,
this was like in twenty nineteen posts, you know, basically last year,
because twenty twenty two this year's allone year, so last basically last
year this happened. And I'm stillin my mid twenties. Accounting for inflation,
I'm twenty eight m So what wasI gonna say? Yeah? They

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have good Italian food, good goodcocktails. I started with a lemon Cello
sprits, which I am definitely makingbecause before I've only had lemon cello or
like April spirts or something. Butthose two together definitely on a radar,
now delicious. After that, Ihad some other sort of like gin mintum

(08:48):
and Saint Germaine sprits, so Iwas on a roll with those for a
while. No, that does soundgood, very good. You're you're getting
fully carbonated out there, huh yeah, but it wasn't done all right.
Then I had a NEGRONI we've gonefull frat boy. We're we're running down
the list of every Well. No, I started very classy, all right,

(09:09):
I started. I started with threecocktails, all right, So I
had those two, I took abreak. I had to um, go
back to do some work UH.And then I came back to the scene
of the crime scene of the crime, I came, I came back afterwards.

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I came back afterwards for the forthe UH second chapter of this.
So this was after the staff retreatbecause I actually had to do tutoring for
a little bit UH, and Ihad and this was my last tutoring session,
So I did that. I cameback because it's in my neighborhood.
Then I had a NEGRONI and Ihad two beers. So now we're at
five and it's I think like fivefive by about five five by about five

(09:54):
pm, and now the parties windleddown to about I believe it's It started
at like twenty five and it wasjust the first two drinks. Now the
party's about eight and then it goesto about five people left. So it
was down to five at about fiveand I was about five drinks in all
right, so magic number was five. Then we went to the Dominican Hookah

(10:18):
Joint UH and club. It turnsinto a club at about ten pm.
So it was like this. Thisplace is called Kaye, which means street,
but it was it spelled differently.It's spelled with the cage, so
kaya like if you're a fucking ifyou're a gentrifier, that's probably what you'd
call it. And it's also veryclose by. So this place has like

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has like three phases. First place. First phase, you know, around
the five to like seven eight ishrange, eight nine ish range, we're
talking just like a place to eatand get a drink. Then around eight
nine now the hookah comes out.Sent out to a hookah lounge and bar
food is kind of afterthought. Tencomes in, ten PM rolls around.

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I kid you not, some asas New Yorkers would say, with all
respect and a gender neutral term,bad be rolling up the second. I
don't know if you noticed that thesecond I said batty, the internet connection
spiraled out. All we got onour side was bad. So I think

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you should. I am definitely leavingthat in. I kid you not.
Three women walked in. They werewearing a crochet like I don't even know
what to call it. It wasa it was a crochet blanket and a
and a down guy and a thought. And they all walked in at the
same time at ten on the dotand they all sat down, and I

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looked and all of a sudden,the area that at one point at tables
all of a sudden had couches.And then then the lights started strobe lighting.
And then I was like, okay, so this is phase three.
I was like, all right,all right, so now it's phase three.
So we were leading up to this, but now Kaya is now,
the Kaya is hot, the blockis hot. Now okay, okay,

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all right, so now we're there, and I think I talked to someone
after and she was like, thisis normal business. She said, like
what they do is there's a there'sa partnership that these places do with women.
They either work there or they livearound. They say, listen,
just come in. It's not it'snot even like you know, some guys
would think it's like a sex worker. It's not even that. Like I

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can't obviously speak to me, butit's not that exactly. Just your presence
be fine. Men will buy youdrinks. You'll you'll give us business.
They'll give you business because they'll payyou attention to buy you drinks, etc.
And this is the crazy thing,she said, She said, it
wasn't in this place out Okay,let me end this first story first.
So then I had um I wasat five and then I had three Corona's

(12:56):
story over those are my eight drinks, so okay, and then stay no
hangover, you boy, I toldyou I never get a hangover. The
next day I played baseball. Seeso I built a tolerance because I hydrate
and I eat empanadas and hydrate andI eat food. Anyway, to end
this story and finally start what shetold me something wild though. She said

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at another location that she worked thatshe said she was a bartender and they
would do the same thing at acertain time. Women would come in and
the same dudes. They would buydrinks for women, and they would the
guys would have their usual women thatthey would talk to just to keep them
company. But she said, thisis the crazy part. The guys would
get like a Coors Light and itwould be like four or five dollars.

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I'm like, all right, it'sactually not a bad deal. The women
would get a mini Coors Light andit would beat ten dollars. I was
like, I was like, backup, I hold the fuck on,
all right. It's one thing iflike they're getting her a cocktail, and
cocktails are generally more expensive. You'retrying to tell me they're selling the same
drink and a smaller quantity and they'repaying it. Just it's like she's like,

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yeah, but they knew what itis. I'm like, okay,
I get they knew what it what'sgoing on between that with a woman.
But they're not even trying to disguisethe hustle, all right, They're just
they're not even trying to say,yeah, get get me to get her
a cocktail, get her get amore fancy drink. They're literally saying,
here's a fucking travel sized course lineit, and I'm going to topple the

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price and they'll still fucking do it. To me, that's insane. I'm
sure it's an average sized bottle ofchorse, like fine and getting it's average.
It's not small, Okay, it'sfine, Yeah, yeah, exactly,
it's the national average. It's fivepoint. But it's funny. It's

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it's kind of like the it's kindof like the poor school of thought,
you know, yeah, more foryour car to have less in it.
It's one of those where it's likeyou're paying for a wetness, okay,
but they're tiring performance. But there'sthe performance and quality. There's nothing different
about the high performance about the womenwho are in this club. Interesting,
okay, but the course Light isn'tperforming better. It's not. It's not

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like the course like it's you ExtraColorado, Rocky Mountain Water. I mean,
it's like it's the same fucking thing. Anyway. Anyway, late stage
capitalism. I mean, it iswhat it is. Um. We we're
all trying to make getting more womenin the in the club has been has
been a mainstay. I'm pretty surethat's been going on for as long as

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there's been. Yes, but atleast with it for people at least with
a different drink. At this point, we're not even like we're saying,
all right, chump, we knowyou want to get away from the house,
you're gonna buy you the same fuckingdrink and it's gonna be smaller,
and you're gonna do it. Inseven. In seven it was, you
know, permented Kobunga ice brick.At least that it was Kabunga. Now

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we got course Light. We gotif you want to send sponsorship, that's
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right, all right? Twenty thirteenand twenty fourteen happened in both both both
two different times lines. The yearof our Lord able the weekend just by
you because the weekend's about to blowup, so that he will be the

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lord of this episode. Um yepso uh in City, University of New
York, John Jay College for CriminalJustice. Oh, this is gonna be
a good episode. Oh yes,it will be. Have your whiskey ready,

(17:08):
I'm only having um, I'm actuallyonly having water right now. Well,
I gotta tell you, I'm abouthalfway done with this whiskey and I've
already drunk. Texted our grandmother.I wish I was joking. That's okay,
because I thought, I thought of, look, you have my girlfriend's

(17:29):
texts. Okay, that's fine,as long as you didn't. What's the
words you could have done? Sendsome raunchy corgy memes? I mean no,
I sent a picture. I senta picture of the of the dog
where dog said it, and Iwas like, look, it's a cannoeini
bean and she hasn't said anything tobe knows what that is. She's okay,
she'll go for sure, for sure, it's not. It's not like
she'll think it's a RockA cocaine orsomething. No, yeah, she'll know
what it is. I could havesent a picture of that, but I

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didn't. Yeah, so, uhNaomi Haber and Claudia. I don't know
how to say Romanian names, justlike I'm sure I probably didn't say a
Able's habasial name properly. So tryingmy best here, Uh, Claudia,
Quojo Caru are students starting at JohnJay College. Okay, all right,

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many students at John Jay College comehere. So for those who don't know,
John Jay is the college that prettymuch diverges into two professions, lawyers
and cops. In fact, sointeresting, so so split, so diametrically
opposed. Under the right circumstances,you know, well or in line,

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you know, or can be prosecutora DA you know, you can be
a lawyer and be with the cops. You know. How many county jobs
are there versus trying to practice?Yeah yeah, yeah, they don't don't
hire. They don't hire a bunchof public defenders and stuff. So it's
it's true. I would say,I would say the majority of the people

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who do go into the law professionand John Jay are probably on the criminal
defense side. But the ones whoare not lawyers are probably doing something law
enforcement related or interested in doing somethinglaw enforcement rates related. So before this
was called John Jay, in theearly sixties, this was called the College

(19:29):
Keuney's College of Political Science. AndI want you to think for a moment
and think of what the astronem is. Oh no, yes, Cops,
the show he grew up watching thatlater realized it was highly problematic for many

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systemic reasons. Anyway, So yeah, I used to be called cops.
And no fucking surprise, a lotof the cops who are in the NY
who do have college degrees, whichthey don't need to have. My understanding
is, or if they do,it's a very recent policy. I think
they need to have at least twoyears of education. That is so law
for a while. Recently, Ithink it may have been I gotta look,

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he's either recently implemented or it's beingdebated that they do need to now
have a four year degree. Butthe majority who do, even with the
police academy, a lot of themgraduate from John Jay and to do it
relatively quicker. So a lot ofthe cops here are are have degrees from
College of stan Island or a Collegeof John J. Criminal Justice. So

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that's some background here. But likeany cune, you have a diverse population
who comes here. Closure Caru Claudiacame from Romania and Naomi Haber actually came
from a Hasidic family in Rockland County. But unfortunately a lot of times the
Hasidic families are your post to stayvery insulated. So when you leave and

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you no longer are in the verylimited businesses that they have textiles, clothes,
diamonds, family like some of themrun buildings as landlords a lot of
times, or or have very smallfamily businesses a lot of times, when
you leave that and you go andget an education for yourself and it's not

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in a Jewish institution, especially,Yeah, you are no longer That's what
I was gonna say. Is Iremember I remember the stories? Uh yeah,
I remember a story from a coupleof years ago about how there's there's
really not a lot of oversight inthe athetic schools in and around New York
and there's yeah, and uh,the vaccinations. A lot of them have

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hosted super spreaders because among the manylovely communities in New York that did not
vaccinate themselves, the Hasidic population wasof course a large one, and some
of them still that somehow we're gettingpublic funding for certain university, certain for
certain schools. They kind of hadto fight the city to allow their kids
to go and all that stuff.Anyway, So my point being here is

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that you already have what is acommon thread in community schools, which is
immigrant communities and communities were sometimes thefamily dynamic and family support is limited.
You have people who are immigrants ortwo who don't have many resources for a
lower working class, and they arejust trying to get a better education,
get a get an education, andmove forward in life and go to the

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next chapter of their life. Soas they are studying here at the John
Jay College of Criminal Justice, theyencounter two professors who have been here for
a long time, Anthony Marcus andRick Curtis. Okay, so these they've

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been Rick Curtis, by the way, has been at the school as an
anthropology for three decades, long fuckingtime. He was there in Times Square
during the eighties. Certainly, sowe're at Sir Rick Curtis thirty years former
chair of sociology, anthropology, law, and police and science departments. And

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we have Haber, who is alsoa long time professor. Oh no,
no, sorry, Haber's abs astudent. We also have Marcus who's a
former chair of the anthropology department.So we have people who are pretty high
up in John Jay. Her introductionto Curtis was in two thousand and four

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when he played a YouTube video ofa woman quote demonstrating how to put a
condom on a penis and one ofbound himself bouncing bear chested on an exercise
ball. Hi, you're my newstudent. Watch this YouTube video finger guns?

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Yeah. Um. Curtis's lawyer contendedthe condom video was part of an
educational program and this later will comeinto play because there because yeah, because
he is also the sex head coachLarry Ray, and he he has entered
the chat special visiting Professor Larry theLarpray will teach you how to put on

(24:32):
a condom everybody. I'm guessing he'sgot nothing to do with any class that
would involve putting, that would involvesexual health, doesn't, although he has
them studies on prostitution, and thiswill come into play later. As things
that they are very much involved in, and Shocker take part in, so

(24:53):
so his lawyer. So this islike the introduction. So I'm sorry,
I'm going to back up. Thisis the introduction. It's it's this is
a wild it's wild. We've gonezero to one hundred on this one.
And I love out the Post.This is why I texted you. I
love when the Post is the oneto get these things first that the Times
later covers it. But the factthat the Post gets it means I have

(25:14):
to deal with their like the Postwill Don't get me wrong, the Post
has sometimes gotten things first and putout stories that ultimately matter, but their
journey the journalism is still not respectiveenough of the story. So instead of
saying her introduction to Curtis was fuckingharassment, the Post says the introduction to
Curtis in twenty fourteen was eye openingplaying a YouTube video. No eye opening

(25:41):
is when um, this professor inphysics class said he actually said to my
friend Willie, Willie, I wantyou to order these marbles by color.
And Willie was done, and hesaid, okay, now I want you
to fucking empty the jar on thefloor. And Willie did that he said,
c class disorder easier than order,And I was like, oh,
say that's a good metaphor. Thatwas eye opening, not hay class,

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here's a condom and at Yeah.No, yeah, it's never it's never
the it's never the paper you wantto be showing out that, you know,
Like when you're when you're doing researchon something and you've got a couple
options, it's like, Okay,well I'm gonna pick someone else probably,

(26:29):
but then when they're the only option, you're like, I don't want to
cut this link. I could justimagine because the Times one blue, this
one stays blue, I know whatyou mean, instead of the LinkedIn in
purple. Yeah, um, theTimes actually writes like it took a full
page of scrolling for the Times,right, And I could just imagine the

(26:51):
Times journalists who went to like Columbiajournalism and work the grass off then say
and per the per the the contentthat the Post exclusively got. Here's like
I can with pens and condom.Like I could just imagine like the journalist

(27:14):
who probably said to the editor,Yo, we got some crazy story.
Let's fucking get it before the fuckingpost does. Because there's a lunatic at
John Jay who opens his introduction tooffice hours with a condom on a dick,
and then and then it's actually assaulted. They're like, look, let
the post if that's true, letthe post get it. Let's let we

(27:36):
don't know if this is really astory for the paper of record. Now,
motherfucker. Now who's talking the Postis up in their ship, like,
what's up paper a record? Thisdick? Get a condom on that?
It's so then she goes to theacademic conference with this man in DC
and he violently rapes her. Nowthat so this YouTube video proceeding this,

(28:03):
some people will say, well,hold on a second. If he demonstrated
this behavior, why would he goto an academic conference. So, first
of all, I don't know allthe fucking details of the conference. Second
of all, I hate to saywhat many women have said, but the
truth of the matter is if everywoman turned down opportunities because of a weird

(28:26):
guy doing some weird shit, justabout to say go ahead anywhere? Right?
Yeah, as a student, howare you supposed to turn that down?
I mean I never listened to Inever had I was never good enough
student to go to a conference.But if someone offered it to me would
have been crazy, like, ofcourse I would have lapsed at that,

(28:47):
right, So like, what arewe gonna do? Blame her for showing
up at like a thing that likemost students would kill force would go to.
And we're a qunee, We're notColumbia. Columbia will have these things
happen. Every lookin Columbia has theirown sickos. I'm not saying Cunei Sicko
University. Columbia has their own sickos, but I'm saying Columbia, you get

(29:08):
a degree in the fucking door.Okay, all the opportunities we can fucking
get the Columbia sickos even first,because on top of them being pervs,
they'll also like do horrible shit toyou while telling you over and over again
that they went to Columbia, whichis just like that's really not making the
situation any better, but which isan assault on your ears as well.

(29:29):
I'll decide later if I want totake that one out, but anyway,
but anyway, um, so thiswoman has gone through Okay, so let
me this is the other reason whyI'm like, all right, of course
the post because if I'm the journalist. Did you say was the post like,
oh, why would you go listenif you are so weird? No,
but I'm sure many of the readersdid I just know the post?

(29:52):
Well, yeah, of course no, but I just fucking know. So
no. But also, I mean, this is a common frain with with
victim blaming, well why did shedo this? If he did this,
why did she do that? Well, like, I just want to give
exhibit A. Exhibit B is thatthis person, it doesn't come from money,
comes from a very small insular family. If she has any connections here,

(30:15):
has doesn't have Like I said,Rockland is no longer there. I
don't know what her support network isin New York City at this time.
Maybe she has other sisters that affectedfrom the insular community. I don't know,
but I do know that it's notwide, it's not big, and
it's not enough for someone to reallysay it's not like she has other professors
in her family who could say that'snot normal. And as we've talked about,

(30:37):
a common refrain is somebody in yourlife who will say that's not normal.
We don't have that. Some peopledon't have that luxury. So she
so that that's Exhibit B. Okay, Exhibit C is the in spite.
I know this was weird. Ineed to go here in spite and not
just that I'm going to avoid thisperson. It's not like, Okay,

(30:59):
I need to tolerate this person tofucking get my career to continue. For
all we know, someone else invited. For all we know, she's trying
to avoid this guy all night.I don't know, I don't know the
circumstances. So this happened. Now, this is setting one aspect of a
culture. This continues now, Soagain, why does she continue talking with

(31:22):
them? She tried to. Thisis what many of the Weinstein victims said,
survivors we should say said. Theysaid, I had to convince myself
after a certain point that this almostdidn't happen, that it wasn't so bad,
and that I have to sort ofdeal with this any of these things,
or that I have to sort ofdeal with this to continue in this
industry. So these were things thatthis person kind of had to She had

(31:45):
to kind of make herself believe itdidn't happen, because sometimes the trauma of
reliving it is enough in itself,right, So now having a shell up
and look at this motherfucker's I'm surejust beautiful face every day. I'll show
you their pictures later. Not thatit matters, but it's still sometimes sometimes

(32:07):
sometimes people sometimes people look like thecrimes they commit, you know what I
mean, that's what that's what JerrySeinfeld he said, he said Central Casting
couldn't have picked Harpy Weinstein. Imean, come on, um anyway,
So then Rick tells her that he'strying to get Rick is the offender here,

(32:29):
and he's trying to get miss Haberto have sex with one of his
academic colleagues to recruit him to becomea department head. See this is interesting
because I feel like this is somethingwe've heard about with Larry Ray Well yeah,

(32:49):
and like and like like organizing sextivities. I mean, I mean,
yeah, that's definitely weird. Butthis this element of backing people into a
corner and pressuring them into sex beyondbeyond justice. Obviously this woman who was
raped, yeah right, but likethis, I'm guessing this guy right that

(33:13):
he wants as as a department Yeah, it's another guy. It's another guy.
This has happened before, I thinkin in I wish I could remember
the guy's name, but like,there's there's a motherfucker who did this at
the government, you know what Imean, who who like involved involved high
ranking official, maybe even fucking Senatemembers or House representatives or something. And
it's just it's like, it's justit's just rape parties. And then once

(33:36):
you have people showing up to this, they've done a thing like it.
Once you've done it, it's notit's not like oh I was peer pressured
into It's like, no, youdid it right, and now you've got
something on the ferry. You've gotbasically compromat on them, right yeah,
um, and yeah, I Ijust it's it's it's crazy that, okay,

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for it to happen at the atthe at the highest level in the
in the legislative branch of our government, quick crazy. But if it's gonna
happen somewhere, I was gonna getslike a company, a government whatever.
Yeah, fucking John Jamn what Oh, it's gonna get so much worse.
So yes, because because the latterhalf of this is like what happened with

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the Lowry race story, which waslike and what did the administration do?
Yeah? So Rick then says,so, so this was the first offer.
So this was Plan A. Thehorrific Plan A. Plan B is
Rick. Rick had to come upwith a new plan to entice the man
to move out here. This isthe man he's trying to recruit and stay

(34:44):
for good. I'm sorry, Iforgot about this whole part where like this
guy, this guy. At thispoint, I don't know what happens next,
obviously, but at this point he'slike, man, I really don't
if I don't want that job,Like I'm not trying to underfind to get
that job. And then he saidsomeone after and be like, oh my
god, high we should really justlike blone down. And he's like,

(35:05):
no, no, I'm sorry.You must be a second. I have
a wife and kids. They're standingbehind me. We're good. You you
meant someone else. Okay, Idon't know what you're talking about. But
this isn't happening, honey. I'msorry. No, No, that's I
don't I don't know who this personis. I don't know who this person
is. I'm sorry. No,no, okay, I've literally never you

(35:29):
can go through my phone. I'venever seen this person before. Yeah,
going through the phone will be areal fun activity. Now he stop it
all right? Can we please?No, I just want to go to
fucking Disneyland. Five attached off?Could you fuck off? Could you just
fuck off? I've got a job. I have eight SMS attachments, nine
sms attach that's all YouTube video.He's actually back like stop, I know

(35:57):
how okay, okay, all right. So Rick had to come up with
a new plan to entice the manto move out and stay for good.
So solution was to take a minitrip to PA. It's always fuckers go
into PA, North Carolina, upState, New York, and New jer
like something. They're like, allright, now, I gotta show him.

(36:19):
You know, I got that outof state first, I gotta show
him I got that lower east sideup or east side money. Now,
I gotta show him because he's tryingto drop the rural Pennsylvania dressy got all
these motherfucker's got a cabin, theygot someone Long Island, they got something
in fucking soger Che by the way. By the way, I'm just saying,

(36:39):
you could turn me down, that'sfine. You could turn me down,
that's fine. You could turn medown, that's fine. I'm I'm
just saying I'm rich in like oneof the poorest. It's it's fine,
yeah, but I just gotta listen. I'm just as far as like,
as far as like a place whereno one wants to live is concerned.
I've got so much one in there, it's crazy, and you should totally
take this job. I'm just I'mjust saying, I'm sorry, this is

(37:00):
this is what the job has donefor me. So I just want I
just want you. I just wantyou to be able to have an have
which is a place somewhere no onewants to be. I'm sorry. Whatever.
So, yeah, it doesn't wantto be someone wants to be with
someone who doesn't want to be withme. Could you just could you just
could you just please have sex withher? Could you just please have sex
with her? Please? Yeah?Yeah? Can can you just please deny
anyone's autonomy and go to a placethat you don't want to fucking go to

(37:22):
to take a job that you don'twant to have? All right? So
so that's that's the second offer,all that combine. So he says,
uh, yeah, she says hewants to bla bring me to pa and
do all this wild shit against mywill, and then you couldn't enough for
a good reason to a fucking cabinthat you don't even don't do you want?

(37:45):
Do you want? Do you wantto just come out here real quick,
just a quick five hour trip,just out here real quick, so
I can tell you on this job, because I think it's a lot better
in person in a cabin somewhere inthe cabin location. But you could this
meeting could be an email, itcould be a phone call. Come on,
man, we got says we got. Yeah, you got Philly chee

(38:09):
steaks in the Poconos. So it'slike not even Philly anymore. It's so
Then she said, when when Ipushed back, he immediately retracted this offer.
And he immediately said, uh,may tracked this offer and said,
good call. I don't think Janethe provost would like it if I took

(38:30):
an undergrad with me anyway. Sothat's his Reasoning's like, good call.
That was the issue. I wantto move on. I want to move
on. I hate Another time,Haber claimed that Curtis told her about a

(38:50):
visitor from Harvard. So now it'sConnery's continuing. He doesn't give up.
Now he's trying to get a visitorfrom Harvard. Mind you Harvard. They
got their own fucked up problems,but trying to get something from Harvard to
come to got John Jay and toldhim how he had he had a Now
is he telling her this? Imean, he's already done so much shit.
Why would I think otherwise he's tellingher that he told the person from

(39:14):
Harvard he had a Jewish hottie toset him up with. Thanks guys,
amongst everything else, almost being misogynisticand rate this. They are dry as
shit. They are delusion. It'sjust so fucking bad. Okay, you
can't you can't just listen. Youcan't just name a country or ethnicity and

(39:37):
then hottie afterwards, Like it justdoesn't like this is when Trump was like,
that's locker room talk. It's like, no, no, it's not.
We don't talk like that. Ican probably number one. I can
probably count on one hand how manytimes I've spoken to another person in a
locker room. It's like four times. Yeah, yeah's talk about I don't

(40:00):
want to have mine out? Whydo you have yours out? First of
all, and it was it wasprobably about math, homework or something.
Also like staff it, what thefuck are you doing? You can't just
be like, oh man, Igot an American hottie, I got I
got a Canadian hottie for you.It's like you sound like a narc and

(40:22):
those are that's a that's a qualitythat every country had. There's hot people
everywhere. Man, Yeah, cool, I could I could fly there.
We just don't even say that wardLike, we just don't like there's so
many other words in the lexicon ofeven yeah, reasonably respectful ways, reasonably
respectful ways, but even ways thatguys talk that we talk about attractive women

(40:45):
that we do not say anyway.So he's saying this, he's trying to
make it sound like that's what itis. Sorry, he's trying to make
it sound like a porn category.Do you know what I mean? He's
trying to make himself sound yeah,like trying to make himself interesting young cool.
He's none of these things. He'sthe antithesis. I've got like I've
got like a milk babe over here, you know what I mean. And

(41:07):
it's like new role in the Bronxmilk babe, want the Fu's on some
dumb fucking ad spam shit jewish hottithe fuck you in a PA cabin?

(41:29):
New role? Okay, Oh,my god, how how how are you
so sexist and anti sex anti semitic? I mean, just just let's just
do it all together. Let's justbe efficient at this point anyway. So
uh yeah. So he then,uh, interesting to talk like the sidebar

(41:54):
on porn hub. I can't believeit. He then, uh, all
right, New York Post. Yeah, yeah, reload an article that I
never clicked on. Yeah, doit. You gotta get fresh ads in
there. You're not clicking. You'renot click, you're not saying it.
Heard us talking about ads and waslike, oh, this is this the
ai you want? Okay, soyou want that? Here new hotties in

(42:21):
your area? New York Post.What's up high? How you doing?
All right? So um, Curtisintroduces her to uh Marcus, fifty five
year old married father of two,inviting her to a sociology party, and
sociology departs. So this is oncampus. It's kid. Oh by the

(42:43):
way, there's apparently a secluded placeon campus called the Swamp where he conducts
a lot of these meetings with studentsand whatever. It's like like, this
is Larry. This is like whenHarry had like wherever he holds his fucking

(43:04):
amazing, like brain popping sessions thatare like, don't think about the bad
times. It's either like the sideof Manhattan or fucking Kosovo or whatever the
yeah whatever, wherever he chooses tohold his fucking dick party rallies. It's
like he's so he's yeah, yeah, so he's say he's called like that's

(43:27):
crazy because like we they're called officehours for a reason. Motherfucker. Yeah,
you have a place with a chairat a desk. Not interesting enough?
No, no, we we weneed to go. We gotta go
down under. We gotta go tothe swamp. But this is the thing
also that I noticed at City College. There are aspects of the North Academic

(43:49):
Center, the one that's a fuckingpenitentiary and built by a prison guard or
not prison guards. It might aswell have prison guards, but built by
someone like who designed prisons. Thereare aspects of it debitelygitimately scary and secluded.
There are places there that have likenobody, and there are places there
at certain time. It's not evenlike you gotta wait until you know,
fucking midnight for nobody to be there. There are certain aspects that are just

(44:13):
scary, secluded and look like you'rein just an underutilized part of a fucking
penitentiary. That should not be thecase on a college campus. Let should
not be the case on any collegecampus. There should be no place that
gives you that feeling, and thefact that so many Quneys have that is
wild. Anyway, So the placethat this was and John Jay was called

(44:35):
the Swamp, and it was onthe seventh floor somewhere in some secluded area,
and he held a lot of thesefucking cringey and terrible moments happened there.
Some meetings happened there in addition toin his office. I'm not trying
to say that he didn't use hisoffice hours inappropriately. He did, but
there were there was this other areatoo of John Jay. So anyway,
I just am throwing that piece ofinformation there too. So the reason why

(44:58):
is because so now this is againbefore the DCT event where she's raped by
him, He's he's introd. Thisis in December twenty fourteen and a sociology
department, So this is on campus, in a party in a department office.
So this is just fucking there andsomeone is telling him you are so

(45:19):
sexy, I am just so attractedto you, and Marcus then cornered her,
grabbed her face, and raisingly triedto kiss her in front of colleagues.
So this one, I'm trying tosay, this is not just about
is it not just about Curtis Haberand Curtis. This is about a culture
that Haber is just one survivor of, and that Curtis is just one assailant,

(45:42):
and there are many other people involvedin this. Well it's a good
thing. This place is turning outso many cops. Yeah, oh yeah,
I'm just gonna say, if you, if you you personally ever invite
me to do something in Pennsylvania andthen you followed up with or you know,
we could go to Miami or something, We'll never speak again. Podcast
is canceled. Yeah, why didyou? Why did you pick the first
option? Don't ever don't ever talkto me about and tried me to a

(46:06):
cabin in Pennsylvania. Well, Iwouldn't invite you to. If I was
gonna ever invite you into Pa,it would be with the express purpose of
going in and then leaving Philadelphia.There would be a start and end date
and an itinerary for an actual placecalled Philly or Pittsburgh, and that would
be it. I went to thePoconos with my friends and I was even

(46:28):
looking like both ways, look,we couldn't count on him in the last
election or two, never fucking counton him. Also, yeah, well
you know, I'm not much ofa camper myself, and I'm about that
hid yes, throw that neck fordifferent but anyway, Marcus then lunges towards

(46:52):
Naomi drunk, saying he wants tofuck her. And now and now we
have a witness who is not justHabrew but a fellow male professor, which
it shouldn't matter, but unfortunately forgaining witnesses and testimony, it does matter
because we it's good to have otherpeople who saw this. We should believe

(47:14):
survivors more and more, but unfortunatelywe don't enough. And another professor caesus,
a male professor, Mike Roland,was at the party, so oh
no, he heard from it.So he heard it from a professor.
So this professor heard from it fromanother high ranking professor who didn't want to
be named. And you may say, well, my not name, well,

(47:36):
because Mike no longer works there becausethey got rid of him. And
you wonder why, probably because hespoke out against this which we want more
men to do. Unfortunately, whenprofessors and anybody speaks out, sometimes they
lose their jobs faster than the peoplewho are the actual offenders. Yeah yeah,
some somehow, being a really areally shitty teacher doesn't get people off

(47:58):
tenure. But if you can,you can just disappear for having reported gross
misconduct, right, all right,So then Haber says she rebuffed Marcus's advance
at the party. They speak lateragain, and he said he felt awkward
about their initial meeting. See again, it's like, yeah, it was

(48:20):
a little awkward. No, thisis more than awkward. Awkward is like
stepping on her foot or dropping yourdrink. This isn't awkward. This is
fucking harassment. And then Marcus laterfancies himself her academic mentor after this.
Now again, does she probably wanthim to be her academic mentor? No?

(48:45):
Does she not know what to doin this situation? Yes, there's
no guideline for all right, students, here's what happens when your male academic
mentor fucking says he wants to havesex with you when he's drunk, and
then just says, let's say thatwas awkward, let me be her mentor.
There's no guideline for that. Monthslater, he hit on her again

(49:06):
at lunch, she claimed, andhe said his behavior in an email that
the Post at least admits they got. So now we're getting written shit.
I just want to document that alot of this has been her testimony,
but now we have another professor's testimonyand we have written documents. At the
Post even got it says, Iwonder if you're making too much drama.

(49:28):
This is what it says in theemail. I wonder if you're making too
much drama from one hour where anold guy hit on you and you politely
turned him down. That's because that'swhat that was, your future academic mentor,
so to be clear, And he'ssaying you're making too much of me.
Your mentor and professor hitting on you, saying he wants to fuck you
and that you're attractive when you justmet him, is just hitting on you

(49:50):
and he politely turned him down.That's how he's characterizing it. She told
the Post that Marcus asaulted her inthe office. So this is before the
rate Marcus assaulted her in the officeas well, So there's been multiple accounts
of this and after so he's There'sbeen multiple accounts of this. He's also

(50:16):
hit her during this look the details. At this point, I'm just going
to keep going by we get thepicture. It's terrible. She didn't know
what happened and walked out confused.She didn't understand her behavior afterwards. Now,
I don't want to like try todissect everybody. When you hear survivors
talk, there is no one straightforwardway to act, and many of them

(50:40):
talk about, Look, I don'tknow what to do when I see so
many powerful men being able to continuethis behavior. And before we go on
to the next person, I wantto tell you why that plays a part
here. This happened in September.This article, the first one that I

(51:00):
can tell, came in late Septembertwenty eighteen. Now I forgot that around
this time was the Kavanaugh hearings.So around this time you are literally seeing
a man accused of rape get confirmedto the Supreme Court. Yeah, so
not only do you have something elsethat is otherwise, Like another article stated,

(51:25):
this story is fucking crazy. Likeagain, like the other one that
should have gotten more like the LarryRace story finally got more attention, and
maybe in part because we were alsoall at home and it broke during the
pandemic. But you know what,this should have got more attention. And
one of the reasons it didn't was, Yes, because the Kavanaugh story was

(51:45):
happening. I think we still werewe still aren't where we need to be.
But this other story had the headlines. But it's also ironic that another
story had the headlines that proved thatpowerful men get away with this shit.
So before anyone you know that readthis thing, So why did they continue
to do this and that? Lookat what happened to this kind of the

(52:06):
Supreme Court, look at what happenedto Clarence Thomas after Anita Hill testified.
Come on, anyway, Justin Cooperthought, before we get onto the next
person. So this Kazarik, whosays Professor Curtis groped her while another professor's
party in Brooklyn Rowan, the professorwho testified. Professor Rowan, who testified

(52:30):
earlier about the other party where MissHaber was accosted by her mentor Marcus.
He also testifies he saw Professor Curtisdive into Kozarik, Who's lap on multiple
occasions on campus, dive into somebody'slap on multiple occasions. Like everybody's gonna

(52:52):
think this is just what professor do. This is behavior. It's a very
specific action. That's a very specificaction to take. Like there's just not
many ways to dive into someone's lap, you know what I mean. It
was like quote, it was likehe was falling sitting on her lap and

(53:14):
she clearly was unsuspecting and she seemedannoyed. Well, no shit, um,
so another professor, Barry Spunt,another professor, Uh, I'm sorry
the nominative determinism here, your nameis Barry Spunt. It's a it's it's

(53:37):
a you could you could do yourbest to outperform that one man. But
it did not happen. Mister Spuntspunted his ass off, um placed his
hand on her behind without her sayinggrope, term, made inappropriate on about
made inappropriate comments about my unwillingness tosit on Rick's lap. So now it's

(54:00):
a team fucking assault that they're alltogether. It's fucking these idiotic academics who
who just think that they're able totheorize and academic their way out of their
shitty behavior. They you see itall the time with this type. It's
almost like they're able to They're ableto, like think, I'm able to

(54:23):
outsmart my student into thinking that thisis normal, into into into getting them
to accept this. I don't evencare if they like it, or maybe
some of them believe women really dolike it because of that twisted thought.
But it doesn't even matter I have. It's not just about power with academia.
It's about this intellect elitism and manipulatingit to women to get them to

(54:51):
do things for you. Giordano Spunts, lawyer says, called because Kazarako's accusations
vicious and defamatory and claimed she hada hell bent agenda to bring down faculty
members because they didn't admit her tothe PhD program. Yes, that's why.

(55:14):
There's another aspect of this, notas serious. But again, people
who studied drugs and prostitution trying toprostitute their their students out to other professors
and they sell. They's also claimsof them selling drugs in their office and
sharing drugs in their office. CriminalJustice Curtis was so accustomed to the alcohol

(55:40):
and drugs that flowed through his cliquethat he brushed off what he thought was
a click. Really his abusive circlelike Larry had he brushed off a warning
email from the provost about nine emptybeer bottles found in an office by Kajaraku
and Domingo was another professor who was, oh my god, there's another professor.

(56:07):
There's a fourth one who is alsoabusive. So Curtis, when they
were found in his office said otherpeople used had to be or not him.
And but he sends this email tothe student, one of the people
making this complaint, and so heforwards the complaint to the student one of

(56:28):
the ones that's abused from the provostthat says, hey, you can't have
this here, and he forwards itwith the message l in all caps,
Jesus fucking Christ Cuney policy prohibits.I didn't even able to, like,

(56:49):
it's just it's just so like likeif they were if they were sneaking around
and getting away with it, that'dbe one thing, and it's awful as
it is, like just that,but that that that that they're being so
brazen, I know, you knowwhat I mean, they're like bragging about
it to their victims. Exactly.It's like alcohol. But I've got to

(57:19):
but I've got it like that you'regonna fucking suck down later tonight. Yeah,
I'll make sure of it. Theywant to be more interesting and important
than they really are. And it'sso much of the white the white man
Larpe syndrome. It should be afucking the who should come out with guidelines.

(57:44):
The white man Larpe syndrome is fuckingtaking a toll on everyone. They
want to be something more, Theywant to be something and part of them
feeling their larpness and feeling their supremacyis taking advantage of people and proving what
they can get away with. So, I mean, obviously Keney it like

(58:07):
it says here, but it reminderKeuney prohibits illegal drug or alcohol use in
its buildings, also happens to prohibitsexual relationships between professors and any students.
Say professional responsibility over now that onewas shot on. Yeah really, So
this is part of the toxic environmentthat was contributed that these professors have contributed

(58:30):
to. But I want to goback to this person's past and go to
a broader narrative that Larry Ray alsowas able to spot. These guys are
not smart. Same thing with Trump. It's not about them being smart,
it's about the being manipulators and manipulatorssense things, and they capitalize on things.
They capitalize on people who don't haveas much of a support network,

(58:52):
especially when we're talking about male predatorstowards women. We're talking about men who
have positions of any type of powerand can capitalize on that power to women
that they deem vulnerable and that donot have connective networks and empowered networks.
This woman's from Romania and is avictim of sex trafficking. So could you

(59:12):
imagine being a victim of sex survivorand sex trafficking coming to the United States
from a country from from Romania andthen going through this ship. She came
to the US as a permanent residentin twenty eleven through the Violence Against Women
Act. Quney the epitome of diversity, all right, diversity and gender equity,

(59:42):
And this is what goes on undertheir roof for a long time.
Yeah, I was vulnerable and alone, without family or a solid network of
friends, much like other women thatwere with her. I believe that I
was chosen these are her words,because of the belief that my history of
tribal would make me malleable and submissive, and if I ever turned on these

(01:00:04):
people, it would make it wouldeasier discredit my opinion of being preyed upon
insalted as a byproduct of mental illnessor medication side effects. I mean,
what this this continues now with thisback and forth with the lawyers and credibility
and victim blaming and what what youwould expect? You know, Curtis are

(01:00:29):
Robert pursed lawyer assistant. Curtis rippedKarjakutu's credibility and character. I hate when
the why do we still like?I mean, you can rip somebody's like
testimony and say that, look,there's the reasoning for this testimony. The
facts don't support it. But Ihate when, especially in cases like these,

(01:00:52):
were ripping credibility and character, likewhat are you a fucking fake cartoon?
You're still a real person. Imean, it's not like credibility at
an empirical level on a study ofsome kind. It's like it's like I

(01:01:12):
just I just I don't. Ijust don't like it in categorically the way
that it's used in the especially inthese cases. Yeah. Um, but
saying again it has to do withthe rejection from the PhD program. You
know how many you know how wildit is to concoct something this like with

(01:01:34):
this much shit. Yeah, Likeit's not like, oh, he grabbed
my ass, like that would suckand it would be terrible and you and
if it happened and you had witnesses, of course it could be a legitimate
story. But if all you're doingyou're saying one thing, I got rejective,
he grabbed masks, and that's it, and you're not doing anything else,
Like he's responding this lawyer, eventhough I guess it's the guy's lawyer.

(01:01:59):
But the way these lawyers respond,it's like that's all she's doing.
It's not like the swap of informationand allegations and details and even other people
saying shit, yeah I was gonnasay, and other people backing it up
too. It's all this shit,so Marcus, So there's oh my god,

(01:02:19):
I forgot this four now. Andherbst didn't address the allegations of drug
use, which is great. It'swhat thing when the person pleads the fifth
it's nothing what the lawyer does,Like, that's not your job, Bron,
I don't know, you know,I just don't know. That's good.

(01:02:40):
Dad will worry about that, lad. The other thing is like I
don't know. I'm I didn't signup for that. I didn't sign up
for that. I don't believe inpleading it in entire I understand why from
just a purely legal perspective why youdon't always want to give details when when
accused of something, but I don'tpersonally I don't agree with if somebody accuses

(01:03:04):
you of something in the umbrella,in the aggregate, you should still say,
yeah, that happened, to knowthat didn't. If somebody accused me
of raping them and I did notdo so, I'm going to say no,
I didn't fucking do that. Andthen if you want to get into
all the nitty gritty fucking every pieceby piece and and and you want to
interrogate me, then we'll do thatat court. But I'm gonna make it

(01:03:25):
known that no, this shit didn'thappen when any of these motherfuckers say no,
when they when they can't even sayno to me, that's like,
oh, you're poker facing ain't evengood. Yeah, there is something,
there is something kind of wildly suspiciousabout being like oh yeah, the drunk,
oh yeah, the alcohol, yeah, and like saying what can we

(01:03:50):
not talk about that? But likewhen I'm saying, like, even when
any of these guys are accused ofsomething, in any of these cases,
it's such a serious thing that,like, I get you don't want the
trial to happen in front of theStarbucks where the media's showing up. Fine,
but at least I would at leastsay, yeah, just I did

(01:04:11):
not do this. I did notrape. So like it's to me,
it's pretty yes or no, becauseit's not like one of these cases where
you're you're saying someone is having consensualsex versus not consensual sex, because in
this case, having any sort ofsex it is grounds at the very least
for termination. So it's not likethey're arguing in this case, Okay,

(01:04:32):
I know I'm gonna get terminated atthis point. I just want to argue
whether or not I think it wasconsensual. They're not doing that. They're
just saying nothing, Yeah, becausethey wanted they got there. Yeah.
Yeah, I might be a professorwho had sex as one of my students,
but haven't they done shit wrong?Also? But they also done shit

(01:04:54):
wrong? So who the fuck areyou to judge? B Okay, yeah,
I'm a professor, helpless of standardsabout being a student but beings on
one half my age? How aboutthat? Yeah? What about you know,
getting to this country as a fuckingrefugee as a Violence against Women Act
survivor, Yeah, she must havedone Why they're okay, I'm gone.

(01:05:19):
It's like it's like you don't evenhave any pig there. But I'm saying,
they're not even doing that. They'renot they think yet. I'm gonna
beat this and I'm gonna keep myjob. So I'm not even gonna address
this like it even happened, becausesome of these guys will at least acknowledge
the sex, but they'll say,like they'll try to do like what you
just said, they're not even doingthat. They're just saying, I'm not

(01:05:42):
even gonna I'm gonna say nothing,and I'm gonna make it sound like this
person made everything up, including thesex. That's fucking crazy, and that's
that's a lot of fucking ego.Um. So the college hires a firm
in addition to all of this,do the investigation. Not to be clear,

(01:06:02):
one of the interesting things and interesting, I mean odd and like kind
of and probably of not great policyis that they conduct an internal investigation before
reporting it, and the severity ofthis crime. I would generally say report
it now. The only issue hereis that when you report it, it's

(01:06:25):
going to be investigated by cops.So I'm not saying you shouldn't report it.
You probably should, and you shouldprobably make sure that you're reporting it,
not just by cospal, like makingsure you find someone in the DA's
office, because this also went tothe Manhattan DA, and you should make
sure you find I mean, thisis the John J. College for Criminal

(01:06:45):
Justice. I would hope they haveI don't know a hope under criminal justice
that they have somebody and some sortof connection and some sort of relationship with
the city. Not that I shouldbe necessary, but if they're going to
boast anything, you would think theyhave someone in that office that should take
this seriously, but that they canthat they can report this too and to

(01:07:09):
the best of our ability, makesure a thorough investigation is done, or
if you don't trust them, itstills in New York State, fucking go
to the go to the Attorney General, Go to Letitia James. They didn't
do that. They hired an investmentthey hired They say they hired an internal
firm, which you never know whothe fuck these internal firms are trying to

(01:07:30):
could be they could be done tothe firm, could be done hired to
protect the reputation of the institution.So I don't really trust that almost always
right, right, because they didn't. Yeah, so they did that before
involving the police, the DA andall that. John Jay spokesperson says they

(01:07:51):
take any allegations and misconducts seriously andwe are co operating with law enforcement authorities.
The safety of all members of JohnJay Commune. He's of utmost important
to us and we expect every memberof our community to live up to our
standards of conduct. Rate Richard Relkin, who is the spokesperson at that time.

(01:08:13):
Just weeks after Haber and Kojara Kupfiled the complaincy, the two survivors
of the abuse and assault by atthe hands of the professors, the QUNEY
boards named Bowers, a long timeJohn J provost who retired an interim executive
vice chancellor. So this guy whois the provoster this time got a promotion

(01:08:33):
after this. I wouldn't be promotingnobody no during this time. That's a
that's the kind of thing where it'slike, I don't know man, if
that didn't just make if that didn'tat least make somebody too nervous to be
like, hey, you know what, right, we're just gonna like,

(01:08:55):
if you're not gonna fire them,we are. You and I already have
a disagreement, but you don't haveto like there's a there's a difference between
between between like how wrong you've beenand we right? Yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. So that's of twentynineteen, John Jay. So then a

(01:09:18):
year about well notice of September isabout eight months later, John Jay plans
plans to fire them, fire threeof them. So remember four were named,
um this Professor Dominguez was the onewho still groped a fucking student and
spoke inappropriately in in one of theiroffices. Uh, Curtis or Marcus,

(01:09:42):
But the ones with the most complaintswere spunt fucking spunt Anthony Marcus and Rick
Curtis. Rick Curtis and Anthony Markuswere the ones obviously that got the most
reporting in this article, but spuntMarcus and Curtis were supposed to be five
ted. It was a first revealedby the posts an email to students college

(01:10:08):
president in twenty nineteen, Carl Masonsaid, you will be initiating disciplinary proceedings
seeking termination of three professors. Absolutelyno place for rassment misconduct at john JA.
That's where our community needs to knowthat I'm taking actions to hold the
individuals accountable but failed to live upto our standards of conducts. As of
now, no criminal charges. Buteight months later there is there are plans.

(01:10:33):
Actually nine, there are plans,and that's eight that's nine months after
the story broke, not necessarily ninemonths after it was known to the administration,
asine months after the story broke.Right, So the Manhattan DA in
twenty nineteen didn't pursue criminal charges,which alone is crazy to me, because

(01:10:56):
there was at least enough here inmy mind, Look, do I expe
a lot of these cases, Theydon't get prosecuted significantly, But did I
expect there to be enough that atleast these guys would have to do I
don't know, fucking a few monthsin community service? Yeah, at least
even by this our city standards,Manhattan DA, no charges. You had

(01:11:17):
witnesses, you had multiple witnesses,you had the testimony, and you had
the college administration at least as oftwenty nineteen leaning towards firing three of them.
I don't know who you're protecting atthis point, but remember this is
Cyrus Evans, who took forever toeven bring any sort of indictment against Harvey

(01:11:40):
Weinstein. I thought, yes,he is. But as of September twenty
sixth, twenty twenty, three ofthose professors on payroll, so they may
not be teaching there, but itwould be crazy if disiplintary action was taken,

(01:12:04):
as in removing them from students,which is our good first step,
but then but then, but thento continue paying them. That's the action
as of And unfortunately I don't haveanything more on these three after because this
is the part that sucks, rightwhen we don't consider this enough of an

(01:12:27):
issue, I have to rely onthe post and anything else I can fucking
scrummage together. And now the onlything I got after this is other professors
committing the acts in John Jay andnothing more on these three. I actually
don't know if they're terminated entirely.I know that yeah, in the time,
since yes, other professors doing thesame thing since twenty eighteen, since

(01:12:50):
the initial one, it's eight It'scrazy because it's like it's like on the
one hand part of it is like, Okay, well, you'd have to
be especially fucking stupid to go throughwith anything that these guys did after they
were obviously caught having done it.But then on the other hand, apparently

(01:13:15):
literally nothing has happened to them,right, That's what happened with the cops
too. It's just the same thing. They just get paid. They just
get paid to do no work now, which is actually actually better than the
position they started right right in.Now they can conduct research without even needing
to have as many witnesses, rightfor all we know, they can invite

(01:13:39):
people who don't know. Because thisdidn't get enough press. I don't have
I don't have enough I don't teachclasses, I don't have an office on
campus. You have to just cometo like to my home or whatever my
home. And this didn't get enoughpress that these people would be known predators.
So they could say we are excuniprofessor, professors emeritus, and yeah,
we just continue research out our home, and we do research on sex

(01:14:00):
work, and we do research oncriminal justice and drug use. Oh you
want to know about you know,sex workers in New York and and and
how drug policy New York coming up, I come on down, like,
these guys should be fucking plaster.That's why I'm doing this, And even
though we have three and a halflisteners, I'm doing my little ass motherfucking
part, which with you, mycousin, we're doing our little part to

(01:14:25):
at least get these punk asses outthere so that if someone wants to like
do research with them, they atleast know what the history is. These
guys should be plastered as don't fuckingdon't don't hire them, don't see,
don't cite them. They should atleast be persona on grata at the very
fucking least. But guess how muchthey're making. Oh I'm I'm I mean

(01:14:47):
easily more than like one hundred andtwenty grand a year, easily. Two
of them are? Two of themare, yeah, Curtis and Marcus,
the ones with the most who wouldhave the most offenses against them. Artist
has one thirty three, Marcus isone twenty one, and Spunt is at
one hundred eleven. All still goodsalaries for New York, especially for not

(01:15:09):
doing anything at this point when whenI've got nothing on this guy. But
when this episode, when I kindof figured out what we were talking about
here. I woked up a reallyweird professor that I had at my school,
and he was getting paid like dankmoney to basically be like the worst
teacher I've ever had in my life. So I can only imagine just just

(01:15:32):
because of the how how the waythe world goes. He did say some
creepy shit. I don't think heI don't think there's any sexual misconduct there,
I hope, but you know,anyway, Yeah, he was getting
he was getting paid dank money backin the back in the day. And
according to the records I found onGoogle just while you were talking, he
was getting paid like one hundred andtwenty a year just to just to be
the worst. So yeah, I'msure. I'm sure I do. I

(01:15:56):
do. Once you said they werestill getting paid to not do any work,
I was like, yeah, they'regetting paid like three h for sure.
Uh yeah, I wanna send youhold on. Why is it not
letting me post the message to you? It's not let me send a DM
to the person i'm speaking with.I know, not live viewer commons.

(01:16:18):
Scream yard, you've stupid duck.That's not we don't have any live viewers.
We are the viewers I'm barely alive. All right, here we go
the private chat. Put it inthe private chat. Yeah, I know,
Okay, So I just want youto look at the first you get.

(01:16:40):
First, you get a good lookat all the first you get a
good look at all the mud offucks. Then I want you to stroll
down to the text that this guybecause I didn't even get into those this
guy sent domass texts. And thenif you stroll down to the eye message
thing, huh yeah, look atthe eye message text that Rick sent with

(01:17:01):
another fuck in the background changing hisshirt in some random Jim locker. Hey,
you you wanted to see all this, right, you wanted to see
like all this hot pod. Youwanted to see this that you called himself
a daddy. If there isn't aguy in the background, he couldn't even
crop it, you dumbass. Anyway. The other funny thing is I love

(01:17:24):
the circle that I don't know someonedid. This was probably an exhibit next
to it. The man has liveammunition in his office. He has prescription
drugs, other drugs, a pipe. Like I'm just going by what I
see just out there in the fuckingopen. There's there's like there's like cool

(01:17:45):
professors who obviously smoke weed, andthen there's whatever this guy fucking is.
You know. Oh, by theway, we have this thing called Title
nine, which is supposed to protectstudents from sexual harassment on campus. Yeah,
so obviously that was the butt ofthe joke of this podcast because none
of that shit happened. So they'restill getting paid. So here's two more

(01:18:10):
professors in this since then, Sothis is twenty nineteen after the twenty eighteen
one broken. This is Professor CarltonJama Adams, African Studies Department Chair.
Again reminder taxpayer funded due to theSandrine decamby claims in court papers that Associate

(01:18:31):
Professor Carlton Jim Adams is supposed toa barrage of unrelenting and daily xenophobic,
sexist, and vulgar marks about herAfrican heritage chair of the African Studies Department.
There's the comedy is too different.I can't come with anything funny for
this during one twenty fourteenth thesis writingsecond, No, no, at the

(01:18:57):
certain point, it's just about whatis going on during one thesis ryan session
at home at its subjected Miss decan be too unwanted sexual content as well.
So in addition to the verbal assault, he once asked how much will
it take for me to sleep withyou? He also groped her. Uh

(01:19:18):
and at the probe did not substantieat any other claims. Uh. So
much of this, so much ofthis, I feel can be stopped with
with like one big motherfucker in theroom being like, hey, really weird
for you to start class by playinga video of someone putting the condom on.

(01:19:40):
He's not going to do that inthe big He's going to do that
in his office. That's where hedid it. But he did it in
the class. I thought he startedoff his did he did it? He
did in the office. Jesus Christ. Yeah, a lot of these guys.
I mean, of course it shouldn'ttake obviously, Unfortunately it sometimes takes
other men to men, which iswhy I was glad at least we have

(01:20:01):
evidence of one male professor speaking up. But look at what the look at
what they did. He ended upbeing he said he got fired because he
didn't publish enough. But he said, yeah, that's what they always say
in these types of cases. Heknew what was what time it was?
Yeah, yeah, So it lookslike a professor Adam, the claims against
those were dismissed. Um, soanother person who gets away with it?

(01:20:27):
And since then, what okay,this is the most recent one. This
is twenty twenty, so this isthe most November twelve, twenty twenty two.
Sorry, twenty twenty two. Novembertwelve, twenty twenty two, so
very recent. Um, there wasn'ta she was she said initially? So

(01:20:48):
it looks like in the in thebeginning there was some sort of affair.
Um. Now again these even ifthere is someone, what someone enters into
what they think is a consensual affair, it doesn't believe the power dynam mix
rn at play. And it stillis not something that should fucking happen at
school policy and the administration shouldn't forceHey, just a little thing, don't

(01:21:08):
fuck your students while they're your students. Can we just do that one?
Hey? Afterwards they graduate, dowhatever the fuck you want, you know,
obviously within consent. But when theirstudents, can you keep your meat
and your pants please? Thanks?So at least so, at least that
would be great for forty fifty years, and they can't. They can't wait
four years. There's no there's nono, But then there's no reason happening

(01:21:33):
here to be like, hey,you know what, if I think you're
hot, I'll wait like three anda half years for you to not be
a student and then maybe be like, hey, can we go to dinner?
No? Great, bye, seeyou now, none of that happening.
But even if she even if sheentered this on her own accord,
it's still to me is awful.It's still to me's awful because these are

(01:21:56):
the details of how she a becauseit's a weird. Fuck. It's so
weird to be like he's seventy four, This guy's seventy four, so before
so while you get into the weird, it's she's twenty two. Some motherfuckers
don't understand that there's some stuff that'sfun when it's in like a fucking porn

(01:22:17):
hub video. Yeah, and it'snot fucking cool when it happened my wife.
But wait when there's when there's awhen there's a video, when there's
a video of like, oh youcan get an A in this class if
you're fucking sleep with Bay or something, it's like right, right, fucking
Sasha Gray or something like that's hilarious. No, that's but but then that's

(01:22:41):
in real life. It's like,but my name is Steven Handelman, I'm
seventy four, aren't I? SashaGray? I thought, I thought,
I thought, I want to larp. I can larp, right then I
don't I get paid to larp.There's just certain shit. I mean,
now you bring up he's seventy four, and I know I'm gonna get shit
for this some day. She's she'stwenty two. But it's just like,

(01:23:04):
man, there's a there's a problemwhen the gap is that I get it
and she's an ADULTA that's great.I don't care. Seventy four is I'm
sorry, folks, it's a bignumber. It is a number. And
when you can take self security,that's a big number. Two what a

(01:23:26):
great way. And a generation istwenty years generally, put I listen.
I'm okay with age differences up toa generation. That's my normal thing.
I think age difference is up toa generation after a certain point. So
let's be clear. We're not talkinglike you know if you're if you're thirty
and fifty one. Thing, Okay, this is two of those gaps that

(01:23:53):
man could have could he have foughtin Vietnam? Probably right. Probably,
Yeah, he could have fought.He could have fought Vietnam. He would
have had to be eighteen, Yeah, he could have. He would have
been four years on the hippie movement. He would have been four years younger
than her if he thought when hewas eighteen, he would have been four
years younger than her when he triedto have sex with her. But but,

(01:24:15):
but listen, this is the thing. Okay, even if she entered
into this consensually, this is howhe was doing it. He wasn't.
It wasn't a whirlwind. I'm sorry. I'll show you Stephen um Habelman as
I say the words whirlwind, whirlmands. Okay, yeah, I can't wait
to see this guy's hair. Dude, I just want to say, Okay,

(01:24:36):
I'm gonna paste this. God damnit. See if if if I
had a better iPad, Tim,like if you made one even in twenty
twenty that allowed me, or ifit's not Tim, it's the guy who
makes Firefox or Safari, I don'tknow what do you fox? If I
had something that allowed me to beable to see Chris, or Chris could
see me while I'm in another tab, I wouldn't have to do this.

(01:24:58):
Nah, it's Apple's faulted. Actually, you know what, Wait a second,
when I go to my notes.When I go to my notes,
you're gonna not see me anyway,So it doesn't matter. I was gonna
put in my notes and then openthe notes on this one, but it
doesn't matter because you're not gonna seeme when I don't go when I go
to my notes, So I'm justgonna open it anyway, and I'm gonna
go away, right, I can'tsee you. Yep, good shit,

(01:25:18):
thank you Apple. Okay, it'sgood marriage had So you know what,
you know what, I'm glad it'sthe first thing that comes up when I
google his name. Fucking weirdo.Well, I mean, really, what
what important papers was this motherfucker publishing? Okay, so I want you to

(01:25:39):
click on this as I say,the World's words Whirlwind romance with Stephen Habelman.
Um uh, okay, so hehe wanted to I'll be honest,
I was expecting. I was expectingworse, even worse. But nah,

(01:26:00):
it's not. It's not it's it'sthat picture. It's that it's that he
thought he looked good. It's it'sthat he thought he was cool in that
picture. That's it to me,That shows you, That shows you that
he's dry, And there's definitely theunderlying element that it's the look. It's
not how he looks, it's thelook anyway. So he paid her,

(01:26:20):
so he didn't she's an unpaid inturn that he paid to have sex with
him, giving her a raise inintroducing her to journalist and by journalists.
It's not like probably Ronan farre whowould kick his ass if he introduced her
to him, because ronand Farrew isthe badass who broke the wine scene story,
innovated, innovadd fucking mussade Stephen.Okay, he could definitely evade your

(01:26:44):
punk ass um, but he's probablyintroducing her to like, I don't know,
some other fuck at the Post's.He's like, I got all the
contacts girl. It's like, oh, you got ruining on the DMS.
I was like, no, heblocked me, but here's who I do.
That's this way to break a storyabout me right now? Um,

(01:27:06):
he gives her raises. It wouldfeel so good to go to bed with
you, A drunk hatelman once swoonedpost. This man does not know how
to swoon. This isn't the verbwe shall use. Definitely, he's definitely
never seen an example of his owndoing. He offered to pay her rent.

(01:27:30):
Listen, my guy, I knowyou're taking that out of some college
support fund, because let me tellyou, you do not you make some
money. You don't make enough topay two New York rents. All right,
you're you're you're you're taking that outof your wife. You're some money
for your wife, or you're takingthat out of somebody for your kids.
This is what I'm saying. Allthese fucks want to larp above their weight.
Okay, they want to larp.They want to be a heavyweight LARP

(01:27:54):
and they they're they're featherweight LARP andthey want to punch above Okay, even
Larry's above this larp. I don'tknow how he got there, but even
he's above this larp. All right? All right? Um, so Jane
Do went to the relationship twenty eighteenand then he's you know, he's fucking

(01:28:15):
this is the best one we canget. What is this? John JTV?
This clip they got who are yougonna introducer to punk? Anyway?
So so he's, uh, whatis this? He he violated a restraining
order of course. Yeah, suchbullshit is a real classy move. Yeah,

(01:28:39):
you know. So they've had repeatedincidents since then, clearly, and
they haven't done anything about it.So that's this is the thing. So
this is what I decided to do. This is gonna be part one,
and I'm gonna continue to do otherparts about this specific like sexual assault.
We could go into any fucking route, but I have been a Quney student

(01:29:02):
in my entire life. I've beena New York City college student of my
entire life. I'm not gonna limitedto Quney, but I'm going to continue
other parts on other schools that havethis problem, because we need to do
a fucking moratorium on these creep mostlymen praying on these women. Students are
just trying to get a fucking education. And how Title nine in New York
City's a fucking joke for women andit needs to stop, especially in these

(01:29:24):
schools that use liberalism and diversity undera guise to cover their shitty behavior.
Ho period anyway, So yeah,thoughts, No, I wouldn't even know

(01:29:49):
where to begin after all that.I think the I think it's crazy that
we've got I mean, this isall taily. This is ending with no
lasting repercussions or even charges right forany of them. It's just civil.
It's just a civil suit that didn'tseem to be I was skimming through the

(01:30:10):
articles you said, I didn't seeanything. I didn't. I didn't see
any resolution to these. I knowthey take take a while, but they
did they Yeah, they take awhile, but I mean it shouldn't take
We're three years. We're at leastthree years on from from like the last
update on some of these, right, well, and think about it.
We are four years. No,wait, it's like a twenty eighteen We're

(01:30:32):
five years I mean twenty eighteen.Yeah, but but the last update was
from was from Sorry, the lastupdate was from twenty twenty two. I
was thinking about the twenty twenty article. But yeah, twenty two was the
last case of a different person fromwhen the from when the story broke.
Yeah, five years. We're fiveyears from the story broke. We're ten
years from when the first student cameto John Jay and shortly after that she

(01:30:56):
had this experience. It's been almosta decade. And again, it's just
it's just terriff find that this isthat this is the school churning out mostly
either cops or people who are supposedto defend or defense attorneys, and in
this case, they're seeing that theycan defend these types of people. It's
like the wrong type of defense.It's right, it's really, it's really,

(01:31:17):
it's just something the wrongs fucking everybody. But but this is the issue,
Like I get that the Cavanaugh thingwas happening at the same time,
and also irony again that this,yes, it distracted, but it distracted
from another incident, and both ofthem, both on this grand national scale
and on the New York City level, but it's still New York City.

(01:31:40):
This should have been huge news thatthese professors who taught this stuff not only
did they act this way, butthey basically got away with it, And
that that that Quney again, it'sthis bullshit diversity moniker that they use for
this little club of these liberal,most sleeve white professors to prey on immigrants

(01:32:01):
students unchecked, and that it's allwithin this one academia club. Of course
it happens in Columbia two. ButI think what bothers me not just because
I went to a Quney, butbecause Columbia is like yes, they try
to have diversity efforts, but atthe end of the day, they know
where they make their bread and butter. It's legacy. It's other Columbia members,

(01:32:23):
just like Harvard and Yale. It'slegacy. Quney makes its money off
the backs of working class students intheir stories, and this is how they
treat them. Yeah, yeah,And I mean it's depression now because there's
there's there's some there's some ties hereto record. I don't know, I
don't want to date the episode toohard, but we're recording this in June

(01:32:44):
of twenty twenty three, right,So I mean, given that it is
Pride months, we're seeing rainbow capitalismout in full force exactly. It's just
like that as with every you know, every June for the past couple of
years now, and and we're seeinghow quickly things can snap back the other
way, right, Like, isn'tI mean targets pulling down targets pulling down

(01:33:08):
pride s yet all over the placebecause they just happen to be getting loud
backwash from the from the far rightright, so they don't actually give a
shit, that is what I mean. Right, You've got these organizations that
are just putting on a front justto get your business, and then the
second they the second they represent somekind of liability to them, you'll never
hear from them again. So um, anyway, there's there, there's ties

(01:33:29):
there, but um but yeah,no, I totally, I mean I
totally agree any any any any anyany institution that that prides itself on on
on trying to trying to win businessby appealing to to the crowd like that,
Oh hey budd for listeners, thecats on camera. Yeah, I

(01:33:50):
for any I mean it goes withoutsaying, right, but it's like you
can't. You can't in the inlike one fell swoop, both claim your
adherence to Title nine mandates and alsodo that all the time, right,
I mean, I'm sure everybody doesthis all the fucking time, but you

(01:34:12):
know, claim you're a huge proponentof it, and also sweep it all
into the rug and continue paying thepeople responsible forgetting forgetting your institution in trouble.
And it's like they play Title nineattorneys. They play attorneys specifically that
are Title nine coordinators on the campustoo, so simultaneously because all the comuneys,
every institution has to do that.So simultaneously. John Jay, at

(01:34:34):
least as of twenty twenty, waspaying a Title nine coordinator and the people
who violated Title line at the exactsame time, the exact same budget money
and words out their ass yeah taxpayer. Yeah. Well so this was part

(01:34:56):
one, many more instances. Atfirst, I was like, do I
want to wait and get them allin one? But I'm letting you know
what each one deserves it to do. So this will be part one.
Uh, something we can, wecan, we can do other shit can
come back to this. I'm surethere's always going to be new material on
this front. Yeah, but Ijust want to continue a series. So
this will be part one and there'llbe others based on Cuney and other universities

(01:35:21):
in the New York area. So, um, serious episode, but it
deserved it. Um. But alsosome laps at the expense of the fox
who make this such a fucked upsystem. And uh, before we end,
let's give some bravery. Let's let'sgive some to all the survivors.
Let's let's give credit to the braveryof everybody in these stories named or not

(01:35:45):
named, who decided to stand upand tell their stories. Decide aside from
the fact that they're going to getall this criticism from people, all this
bullshit assault uh Naomi Haber Cloud.I'm sorry if they say that wrong.
But and and all the Jane Doeswho spoke up, and also a professor

(01:36:08):
Rowan who's at least was one ofthe female professors who spoke up. Sad
that he got fired or let gowhatever, but we need more of him,
We need more men to speak up, especially men of power. And
I'm sorry it's this. I meantto bring it up earlier, but it
is. I mean, it's kindof crazy. It's kind of crazy that

(01:36:30):
this story broke it all given giventhe state of things right like it's it's
it's kind of crazy that we knowabout it in the first place, just
given that it happened at a schoolwhere you would think, well, it's
a school about criminal justice. Thisis where she would receive the most support
for something at the very least orsomething this fucked up is going to happen

(01:36:50):
somewhere, even even if the tragicirony of it is that it is happening
there. She would receive the mostsupport from a school that turns this that
is supposed to turn out the supportnetwork for this sort of thing obviously you
know, and't fucking done that.So it's it's I think it's I think
it's kind of a miracle that weknow that had happened in the first place,

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which is a sad state of things, like you said. But John
Jay is actually I would say,as someone who's gone to Muneyes and those
and those many of the colleges,I would say John Jay's one of the
more conservative of them. It's calledcriminal justice, but not really about justice,
of course. About it's about criminaljustice as it's putting the putting the
bad guy's away, which which inits which in itself is is about fluffing

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some fucking statistics once a year tosell, to sell your usefulness to society.
So uh, you know, look, I get it. It's it's
just for for a person who,again, if we're going to speak to
your history, for a person who'srelatively new to literally everything outside of the

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extremely tiny community that she was raisedin Faber Yeah, Romania. For the
cursure cool, it would it offenseto trust? Right that I'm like,
oh, this is the place thatturns out cops and and lawyers who go
after the people who who you knowwho caused fucking problems like this. So

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yeah, um yeah, I II'm I'm this was this was awful.
Every element this is like it iswhat was worse than the last? Um.
But uh, but I think we'reI think we're all. I think

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it's I think it's special that we'rehearing it. Yeah, I think.
I think I think that I thinkthat the act of working so hard to
get the story out there deserves somerecognition so than it does. Yeah,
I'm glad we did it, butmore so I'm glad that, you know
what, Look, I made funof the post. I know they'll take

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just about any story that'll get clicksat the end of the day. Need
care this, this deserves it deservesclicks, and it's good. Yeah all
right, Well here's the more storiesgetting out there. We'll certainly do our
little part. Uh. Thanks forlistening, all right, Take care