June 30, 2025 • 38 mins
Evan M. And Evan K. examine 'The Tinder Trap,' a social dating experiment that occurred in August of 2018 in NYC's Union Square.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to the prolt on the All Things Broke Network.
This is a New York history podcast inspired by The Dollup,
where I writer of the Metropolitan Trifling Authority, owner of
a wildcat in a one bedroom apartment in the Bronx,
(00:21):
and man who drinks a pink drink. Evan Masconarti reads
a story in New York history to a man who's
been from Miami and back running them up doing stand up.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's Sir Evan Wimberley here, and I hear some stories.
I don't know what it's about, so you know, I'm
just be just as surprised as you guys.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
All right, that's what's up. That's how we do it.
And Evan, so the first time we had two Evans,
a lot of ways to do this, Evan and m
Evan k ever you want to do it, Evan squared,
whatever is good. I remember, as the weather got warmer,
you told me something about trees, right, that's right, the
(01:06):
pollen right. I had no idea what the fuck you
were talking about first, and then I was like, wait,
so there are male and female trees, and what is it?
Us New Yorkers like worse A while because what we
only got female trees.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
So yeah, so apparently they don't plant female trees and.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
That's why we're thirsty.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So the male trees produced all this pollen, and so
there's an excess amount of pollen that has nowhere to
pollinate because there's no female tree. So what we get
is all this extra pollen. Was this is why the
alergies is so bad here. So when I was in Florida,
I didn't have any allergies. When I was a kid
in New York, my alergies are terrible. I'm to Florida,
no alergies because there's fruit trees everywhere. Yeah, and when
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I came back to New York, I'm like, why is
it so bad? And then I realized, but that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I wonder like if one day we're gonna find there's
other side effects for having old dude trees out that,
like it's done something to our mind.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I know.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I just think they do it because they don't want
people to capitalized off of selling fruit to Florida. You
realize people who knock down the mangos and they just
go out and sell them.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
So I think that's really what it is. So yeah,
of course everything is doing those down to capitalistic.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Capitalism, down to the trees we got here, absolutely crazy.
They don't want us to be great, great gardeners.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Right there, you go, that's a bullshit agriculture.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Okay. So for the people that haven't seen your stuff,
tell them about the regular stuff you got going on
in New York. And you know how you've been lining
up Miami too.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah. So started doing comedy twenty seventeen in Miami.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Moved back to New York shortly after that for like
five years, went back to Miami, came back to New York.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So I'm always back and forth to New York and Miami.
New York is my home.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I do a weekly show here in Jamaica, Queens at
the Connect Bar.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
We love that show. Every Thursday's eights going out.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I got some monthly shows that do not at Fierce
City Comedy Club, Lower East Side, and then I'm all
around town.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's just I'm at every club that will have me,
any show that will have me. You can look at
my Instagram and I'll post it. Come on down and
share laugh. We love sharing a laugh.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
That's what I've seen a bunch of clips, you know,
you openly talk about relationships.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, and the black and I.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Do that too. And if you do that and you
also post on media do things comedic, it's kind of
why are you? Are you also out here dating?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Not anymore? I was single now, I was dating.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
For a while and then I just kind of took
a break. I just got to get exhausted last few
days I had went on at the time. When I
decided to stop dating, I discovered that these women were
like in relationships. So I'm kind of like, I'm like
a glorified side piece.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So I'm like, you know what, let me just take
some time.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
You gotta you gotta say. If I'm a side piece,
I'm a red booster. Sometimes their sides are better than
entrees cost as much to But so one time I
went out with a woman and because that had happened
to me, right, i asked the like point plank and
by the way, I've had some relationships in Spanish, so
I'm just asking her, are you single? She's like yes,
(04:04):
Why are you asking that? Yeah? And I'm like are
you single? She's like yes, No, I really are you singing?
He's like yes, bro. A week later, I see on
her Instagram, her family with her and a dude that
is not her brother. This dude's been being in the
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picture long enough that either within the week after that
she met a dude and said this is the dude,
don't introduce my family and it's not Evan, or it
was a new dude that she had all along, and
then she was pregnant in like a year. Man. So anyway,
So yeah, relationships be crazy. We all know that. But
what I was saying is that, like, you know, if
you're out here doing this stuff and then you still
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got relationships, it could kind of get a little messy
because when you want to talk about things that you're doing,
you know the person is going to look like I
also got a platform called Let's Not Be Trash, So
everyone welcome subscribe. It's funny, it's about masculinity. You're welcome
to write anything you want for it as well. It's
about just being a man in this day and age.
And they say, you know, men are trashed. We're like,
(05:08):
let's not be trashed. That pretty fist forward. But so
like at some point they're going to ask that. I'm like,
you know, I don't want to like not tell them,
so I'm like, okay, yeah, I kind of got a platform,
like what's it called Let's not be Trashed? And then
I write all about relationships, a lot of podcasts about
it too. A lot of the stuff we make jokes
about about it too. So it's like you got to
(05:30):
kind of balance this sort of meta like you're in
the part of your life that you're also joking about
that you're also.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Writing about absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, that and that and that could get messy. So
I don't know, maybe it's good you're taking a little
break anyway. We are not sponsored, but as tradition, I
will always make a sponsor. So we are sponsored by
let's see one time. I you know what, I'll just
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absolute they make vodka, and for us, they've made absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
There you go, all right, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
August nineteenth, twenty eighteen. You're of our Lord Optimus Prime.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Elliott g is home.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
He is in Long Island for warp Tour and he's chilling.
I think he said he's drinking an energy drink. Jetty
matches with a girl on tender. He says, I think
it was tender, and it was this very attractive girl.
Professional pictures match almost immediately, like when you open the app.
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She mess messages him that she loves to get to
know him and hangout, but you just started this big project,
so she'll reach out at a later time. I was like, cool,
this is this is a first to investigator journalism.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I spoke with Elliott.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I was like, cool, weird, but honest. He's like, she
kind of ghosted me after that, and then a few
weeks later, she comes out of noor and says, Hey,
my friend is djaying in this concert in Union Square.
You want to just meet me there and unclear exactly
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of other details, but she was really fine, so he's like, okay.
He puts on his best fit, but she says, I'm
pretty sure was a flannel shirt and went. He arrives
is a tent set up DJ booth, lots of people
thinking this is legit, but then he says, I'm looking
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around and it's like it's a lot of dudes. Some
may say it's only dudes here, Okay. Interesting. He's texting
our mutual friend throughout, telling him the situation looks like
it's popping, but there's a lot of dudes. DJ Booth
girl he's gonna meet, and then he sees the girl
that he mastered with surrounded by bodyguards. He almost he
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almost calls out to her and then stops himself. He's thinking.
Then she gets to the stage, so he's thinking, oh,
she's hosting the DJ, and then came the announcement, you're
all here for a date with me. Oh wow, And
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I'm thinking, Elliott, I'm thinking a group date, bachelorette type shit.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
It's like a social experiment.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And then she started saying how she's gonna narrow down
one by one, Oh lord, each guy in the audience.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
So he gets the picture and he's like, I decided
I'm not sticking around, but he also kind of wants
it's like a train wreck, you know. I also kind
of want to see what the fuck's gonna happen, right,
So he's like, I kind of want to see the reaction.
So some people are booing, obviously, because all these other do.
It's got a message like he did, and they're here
and some people are saying, shut the fuck up. And
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then he a bunch of guys in here were like,
let's go get drunk, and people made friends as a result.
Of this because they all had a similar experience. Now. Uh,
and then the criteria started, Okay, you can't have a beard.
It's interesting because sometimes it's like your beard got to
connect our beards here.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
You can't be under five to ten. Now that ruled
me out. So, uh, you can't vote for Trump. That
I'm okay there, especially if she said because she's Latina,
vote for Trump and thinks she could ate Latina. Trust
me that I think that one's.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Out there a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, I mean a lot of us. There probably was
an income thing too, and a lot of us probably
would be canceled out. But uh, you know already from
this there's like a live because the guy's realizing this
is wild. So I learned about this guy also from
the Bronx Philip the Franco. Apparently he's like a local
(10:10):
Bronx like streamer. Due back in the Danny is covering
the story. I guess maybe he got also invited to it,
and he's starting to just shit on it and say
what the hell is going on? Like he's doing play
by play basically John Madden out here. And then it
starts to thin out. It thins out, and then there's competition.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
When did this happen? Oh the year?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, I always start this yelling out a year August
nineteen twenty eighteen. Yeah, yeah, Union Square Park.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
There's races, there's push up contexts.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I'm not doing a push ups for a little girl
for one girl, right, Okay?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
In my outfit the date exactly, you got into a
nice fit like Elliott. Yeah, it's crazy now.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So he's so at this point, he's gonna he's gonna leave.
And my boy Willie was like, Bro, that shit happened
on WrestleMania. You should have already like, you already made
a mistake going instead of going with me to WrestleMania.
Interesting though, that they weren't aware enough think about that
and I say they, well, first, so what the fuck
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was this?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
What was it all about? Okay?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Enter Rob Bliss. This is a social media specialist, producer,
director who has an ad agency a creative He's worked
with several brands, PNG, Motorola. He claims that nearly a
billion unpaid views and coverage by international news outlets. He
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claimed his method methodology is simple. I believe content has
to pull, not be pushed. We can make our view
or feel something more likely like they're gonna engage with
their content and leads to fantastic ROI and earned media.
This was before chat just rocus so with this in mine.
Rubbless actually made one of his first viral campaigns during
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the me too era. I don't know if you remember
the video. It was called like, what was it? Ten
hours of walking through y as a woman. It was
like this famous video, just a woman, she just walking
and dudes a cat calling curR and everything.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Really, Yeah, I've never a cat called a girl in
my life.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, so let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Neither have I.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I never thought I've been cat called?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Have you ever been by a dude or a woman
by a girl? Me too? Both both? Really?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
You know, I'm not There's a dude one time Miami
that I don't know if you cat called me. But
I was walking home with a pizza and he like
rubbed his hand across the pizza box and I was furious.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
But I was so late, it was so late, and
I was so hungry. I was like, I'm not even
gonna be bothered with it.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
He rubbed his hand across the pizza box.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I'm walking, like you know, you're walking home.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Is that his mating call.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It was late.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
You know you're kind of walking home, like caring for
kind of in the days, like I just want to Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I was like my buildings right there. I'm on South Beach.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And walking and he just like hmm, and like I
was like, and I was like, you know what, I'm
just going home.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I don't want to be bothered with it.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I've never seen I remember a bunch of doors. Always
two dudes. When I used to live by the Ankles
border two days, I would alway ask for money every
so often. I give him a dollar. One day I
had shake shack and they were like, I gave him down.
I'm like, deuces, They're like, na, we need the shake shock.
And I said that's where I.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Draw the line. Take my come on, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
But yeah, So it's just these drives. I mean, I
always say it's only got to work once for a lot,
Like you could say, like does it ever work? But honestly,
for a lot of dudes, if it worked once, even
the percentage of punk five percent, they're gonna keep doing it.
It works because just because of that. I once saw
a dude just go to eat the pussy side at
a woman's and she was getting on the bus, and
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that's what the women around me were like, if I
ever worked, I'm like, I bet you had just worked
once or not, or his boy told him work ones.
So he was able then to think, yeah, if I
just do it enough times. But yeah, I mean, obviously
it's a harassment to women and it shouldn't happen. And
it just shows you as she's walking through the street
all the harassment she gets, so, you know, an effective
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campaign and I get, I get why he did that.
But now he's he decides to get involved with Natasha Aponte,
who was, and I guess still is an aspiring model, singer, songwriter,
actress and she's appeared in Binge in five minutes so far.
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Entis page on and you know, is on Apple Music
and streaming services. And he meets with her and decides
to start this like I suppose you could say, live
action art piece where him, her and I guess some
other people all message thousands of man and match with
thousands of men basically saying the same thing. It's like
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a match. It's saying the thing about me, my friend
with the DJ, and then after that we'll see what happens,
and we'll get a drink and see what happens. They're
basically saying the same thing to all these dudes. I
was just going deeper more into the activities, calisthetics, acts
of service. I was like, what the fuck is next?
Like we're doing love languages now, and shit happened, Like
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we're gonna we're gonna have like well, okay, go to
the best bakery and get me something. So Rob Bliss
and and his agency behind this. So how long do
you think it took them to like plan this.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
It doesn't seem like it's maybe a month, two years,
two years of what exactly, Like what are they doing for?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
That's what I'm saying. They clean two years the planet,
but they only did the like messaging for two months
like that, I'm saying, So what is the planning that?
It makes no sense? And by the way, this is
the output after what they want you to believe is
two years. Okay, so apparently whatever yeah so oh yeah,
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so then it then it ends up coming down to
two dudes and she ends up going out with one
guy and it doesn't work out. She says, it doesn't
work out, but they had a great date, which is
like every single date ever, we had a great date
and it's not going to work out. So like, think
about like everyone who's been cut here. So obviously it's
truly to evans that would have been great candidates. Motherfucker.
(16:43):
But Prince Tom holland spider Man. You cut spider Man,
you cut the legendary purple one. Like, obviously this is
very uh And obviously even though our beer connect your
beer doesn't have to connectors. I'm I mean, you're cutting
so many people based on very superficial things. Now, what
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was this all about? It was actually all about just
that they claim that they were trying to actually show
and this is by the way, they wouldn't say what
it was about until they got media attention to go
on a morning show, multiple morning shows, including Good Morning
America to say it. They weren't going to say what
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it was when they would be contacted when the nasty
massicator was like wait, wait, wait, give us like I
don't know, seventy two hours and then they made their
media rounds and said it was a social experiment to
show what dating is like. Now, how does this show
this online? They said, like the swiping stuff they said,
that's doing it in person. They said, just because someone
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you know, they won. They went around and they said,
you know, just because someone doesn't meet your mccriterion, he
doesn't make sure that you're the one, or doesn't meet
doesn't sure they're not the one. And when asked about
if there's any apologies for men who may have been
hurt by it, Natasha goes, I know who I am.
(18:16):
I'm secure and who I am. It's like, okay, so
that's an answer to a different question.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, I mean, I take the responsibility. You got hurt.
This is crazy. I didn't even notice happened.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, exactly, that's why we do this. But but what
a tender.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Almost it was almost entirely tenders. It makes sense.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
So like they claim, especially Rob Bliss is claiming that
this is done to show in real life the behavior
that we do online. He's like, if it's fucked up,
then it's fucked up, and we're already doing it right
in theory. Is that true in theory. But the thing
is this is how I mean. First of all, that's
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his consistent message. Her message kind of changed during time,
because sometimes she said, look at all these toxic men
and it's like, well, you are a little toxic to
thetgics in the first in the first place. And sometimes
she said it's about like all these women get harassed
on apps, which is true, so it's nice to flip
the script so say on the kind of petty And
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then sometimes in interviews with him and they had a
more consistent message that said, this is about actually showing
that it's wrong what happened. So it's like we can
believe them, we can believe in theory. But as I
like to say, a lot of people called straights right
regardless if you had a message, is your message really
worth it?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
If all these dudes, like you know, motherfucker might be
going to therapy after this saying that, saying that it's
like for seven years, that twenty eighteen thing, man really
messed me up about dating.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
So that's crazy, Like I've had a pretty good experience
on dating apps.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Me too, Yeah, but I had They called it tender
Live at first, at least the experiment. Now it's called
the tender trap. But I actually think there was like
I thought of a better way to do this like that,
like these and they had two years you invite people
to something you call it tinderlive. You say, all these
people are on this app, let's have a meet up
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like speed dating, or or if she wants to be
like the bachelorette queen, then fine, but look when they
get there, then if you want to make it a
social spermit, all you say is this, Hey, all of
you were brought here just to go on a speed
dating mass mak. You could have called this Tinder live.
You could have invited people to a spot because look,
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you could say, hey, we got all these people who
are single, all these people on date. You know, there's
actually a single ring.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
A ring Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I thought of that a long time ago. I was like,
why do we only have something that tells you you're
with someone? Because because being single is like stigmatized. Sometimes
we have a single Awareness Day and the abbreviation is
s A D SAD And they don't let hire me
for marketing because it would be bachelor Awareness date because
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we bad. Okay, but you don't hire me when I
apply to your shit.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
But yeah, you put it.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
It's called pair like pairing, and then but it's many
of other fruit, so you put it on and like
I have one and it's green. So it's noticeable. I
don't fingers put it on. But then you know, person single,
I mean anyway, they could have done something like that,
like give them things or or like have a big
meet up like you said. It could have been speed
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dating if they wanted to have like the one B
one hundred shit where you have one woman here and
a hundreduced. But you could have invited them and then
given them the conditions so at least they would know
that this is a huge meet up and that if
you want to have these conditions.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
You go forward.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
If you want to have the swipe right swipe left
like tender in person like you would be, you would
have to do it like you would online in person.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Right, if they would do that, If they would do
like you are a tender and give the person the
option of consent to do that, that's okay. And then
the people other people say thank you for coming here,
or you could watch it, but you can't participate. But nah,
And and that was fucking two and a half minutes
they took.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
It's not money grabs anymore, it's attention grabs. Now everyone
wants attention. So this is like two years a waste
of time, just to get attention. It comes, it's attentions
here and then it goes. There's no real success.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Right, you would think more people like me doing this
again about these different things in New York history. I
haven't heard. I just thought about this the other day
because but since then, like not much was proven. Yes
it was proven, it's fucked up, but it was just
proven in a fucked up way. And and all these
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dudes are just collateral damage. It's like, and it's not
just like people are like, well, their ego got a
little hurts, Like anybody, anybody would feel shit if they
feel they're not good enough for someone like that. But
you know, like we talked about, we've both done online dating.
This girl's pretty, but updated women equally as pretty with
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none of this shit. And I'm sure you have too.
So any dude that feels bad, trust me, it ain't
worth it. Okay, as a dude that's been even as
a guy that's been disqualified a lot for being short,
there's a lot of And this is what I was
going to tell you. What I found is actually using
the apps that have a lot of people that weren't
born here. In my experience, I don't know it's your experience,
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it feels because if there if many dates I have
been on that are like the popular ones, it feels
like a job interview. That's like, that's your experience too, right.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Well, I feel like a lot of women just asks
questions based on what exactly they're looking for, when in reality,
you shouldn't be looking for anything but a good experience.
So when you start accidentally preliminating questions, it starts to
feel like an interview and more or less of more
trying to get to know someone.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
It's like, well do you fit A? Do you fit B?
Do you fit C?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
And if you don't fit those boxes, then it's like
you're disqualified. So then it's like, what did I even
come on this date for? I didn't come on the
day to buy you dinner or do that. I think
dinner dates are like the worst dates ever. But yeah,
besides the point, but I didn't come on a date
to like, you know, going an interview.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I wanted to go to an interview. I applied for
a job. That's what it feels like, and it's it's
a really slippery slow I feel.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Like a lot of that is also that it's being
put into a box, like it becomes binary, not analog, right,
because it becomes either you have it or you don't,
Like you could have sent me the screening application and
then and then I would even know. So that's what
That's what bothers me a lot when I dated, and
I've had some good experiences, but for the most part,
I get along better with people who weren't born here
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because it's also in a very Americanized, hyper capitalist way
of dating.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
You hear that ice.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Allegedly allegedly, so a lot of women who because now
it's illegal just not to be born here, apparently, who
weren't born here, especially from the global South, like South
Asia and South America. When I go out with them,
it feels more like just that all we said, an experience.
It's like I get to know you, you get to
know me, and I just want to have a little fun.
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And that doesn't actually mean sex, by the way, on
the first day. I mean actually have some fun. So
I've gone to know people that sometimes we're going to
be here for the rest of their life and sometimes
people who are going to leave ultimately in a few months.
But that was still fun. It was fun. Like one
time a woman from Peru. I made her dinner before
she left. That was a beautiful thing to do. So
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I just feel like it's more about me as a
person instead of me in the context of every motherfucker
you could optimize for. So yeah, part of it is
from that culture too.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, this seems like just a huge waste of people's
time for attention. I feel like this were only wanted attention.
She just wanted to bring a bunch of dudes and
may her look more cool, just so they could have
a story.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I don't know what took them two years to plan
about this, but two months I was a little fair.
I think two years might have just been for the
write up.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, exactly two months was that outreach. But they said
it took two years to plan. Mind you, I didn't
actually say this before. There were dudes. They were like,
not snipers, but they were like in sniper positions with cameras,
just because the guy, the producer, Rob Bliss, was trying
to show like, all right, we had a camera here,
we had a camera on this rooftop. We had a
(26:38):
camera on that rooftop to get everybody reaction. And by
the way, someone got hurt. I forgot to say that
somebody got hurt because there was a guy, a college student,
and he went to the mic while they were interviewing
different people there and she was there too, and she
was just interviewing people that stayed and I guess just
wanted to be a part of it, right, And he
(26:59):
was saying, hey, you wasted all these men time that
were down here, and he got tackled by security and
he and they even like choked him a bit. So
there was a you know, some of the people were
harmed physically and emotionally.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
That's crazy.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
But the guy who won, the guy the only highlander,
that guy who went on the date with her and
then ended up being a great date apparently, but it
didn't work out, which they do say proved our point
that not all checkboxes work.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
But it depends which point you were listening to on
which day.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Like I thought about it, and like that dude every
day after that, just think about it. Think of all
he had to do for that date, right, Like, every
every day after that is weird for him and the
person he's dating, because then he because then if that
girl knows he's the dude who's chosen, right, think of
all he had to do just to date this woman, like, oh,
(27:55):
you won't even we talk about meeting someone like Matt
far Oh you won't even meet me, you know, Liz
Withit New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
But you did push ups for her, but you ran
you literally like not ran a mile, but you ran
a race for her.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
That's crazy, Like, how's this dude gonna.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Go on the days? And also he did all that
for He's gonna compare everything to this woman too. It's like,
I wonder, like how it messed with people after this experience.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
They definitely got tender.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah I would think so, I would think so, But yeah,
so I agree. I think ultimately it wastes a lot
of people's time. I don't think it did what it
aimed to do. But what about just to close out?
What about some of your overall experiences with Online Day.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I've had a good experience with online Day. I used
Bumble one time. I went on a really nice date
with Bumble, had a one night stand.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
It was fun.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
It wasn't like a you know, one of those nasty
one night stands where it's like you feel used or
it was just like a cool stand.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
We both needed it.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
We both were in the right place we felt safe.
We had a good time, cool, you know what I mean,
and things and Nancy they ended, but they just you know,
we just went on separate and then I used Ryo
a lot, which was really cool. I had a great experiences, right,
I probably went on like ten to fifteen right dates.
So right, if you want to do a sponsorship check
will take.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
It and get me off the weight list, even though
I know off the weight list him Brittany and Asap
Fashion for a sap rocky.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
You get them off the way that Look, I'm not
signed up anymore, so you lose An Evan, Yeah, exactly right,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But yeah, I had some great experience a riot like
I probably want like ten fifteen right dates. And they
were all cool career women, charismatic, interesting women, fun dates.
Something in New York time outside New York. You know,
I traveled a lot for work. It would be like
cool to set me random women then, but it was fun,
Like I didn't have any cat fishing. It wasn't anything
you know, anybody crazy or like. It just wasn't dates
(29:56):
that blossom into relationships. But for me, I wasn't really
looking for a relationships, so f it's just like, hey,
have a good time again. Good time does not need
sex all the time. You just mean to have a
good time with a woman companion. And you know, a
lot of it was that, and for me it was
you know, spot on. But again, I think the only
drawback I've had, like you know, modern dating as an adult,
(30:16):
it's just there's so much social media prerequisites and everyone
has all of these things in their mind and this
is what I want, this is what I need, and
it does take away from like the wonderment of experience.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
That's the only thing else.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yes, enjoying the experience for what it is right exactly
is completely.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Lost on this.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
It is so again capitalist outcome orient right exactly, immediately,
right exactly, and you're gonna miss you're good. It's like
it becomes a cycle. I don't know someone well enough,
so I'm not going to give them my time, but
I need to give them my time enough exactly. And
the best way to really get that is to be
in the moment, because you're gonna really think about what
(30:57):
it's like to be with this person. Because listen, yes,
it's great travel with someone, it's great if you if
you both have money, but at the end of the day,
unless you're just going to be a couple by convenience
and shit, you're going to be spending a lot of
time with that person alone. Absolutely that you better be
able to have interesting conversations with that person. You better
they better be able to make you laugh or have
the same sense of you, or like same intimacy, love language,
(31:19):
or or at least ones that.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Are compatible and all that shit.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
And you're not looking for that, then, like you said,
you're looking at the fucking checklists for most of the time.
So you said you never got catfish. No, that's good,
never got I thought I was going to get catfish
because her pictures were like so good right that I.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Was like fun. In fact, most of the women I've
dated on rio they look better in real life.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Many women do, I.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Feel like, and I think to a disservice because of
social media, there's like a certain image or the way there.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
They want to take their pictures. They want to come
to that contour.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, I think it's not just a content, but that
they want to look. They want to look I don't
know how to say this trendy. Yeah, not necessarily looks
overly sexy, but they want to like give off a
certain you know, I don't know how to see its
like avant guard or like yeah cooler than you know.
And when I meet them, I'm like, oh, you're like
really wholesome, beautiful lady. So it's like most of the
(32:20):
time they look better in a y. That's another good tag.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Exactly, it's a ray of life, right exactly.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I could do so much ship.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
But so I was like she ship. She was in
like a bathte playboy bunny too much. Like so I said,
can you send me a picture with your toothbrush? And
she did right there, and I was like, unless she
got that on deck, she's real. So I'm sitting there
(32:54):
waiting when we get there, and I talk like the
same thing you hear girls do it like there girls
I do it. I'm like, bro, here's where I am,
just in case. So and I see this fine beautiful
tan Japanese one right, beautiful Kirby. I mean, I'm like,
where I gotta go find this place in Japan. And
(33:17):
we had a great time and it was a one
night thing. But all of my one night things, I say,
have been unintentional, right, Like I haven't really had one
where I went into doing that, like it always just
happened after where the person was like clearly didn't want
more than that. Right, it makes sense, and it's interesting
(33:37):
that we still don't have like have you heard a Field?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yes? Field?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, Even with Field, I feel like I think I
think we're slowly getting to like normalizing having both people
be on the same page with just having sex with
each other right when I stand, But even on Field,
I'll see shit that's like I don't know, And I
agree with you, you don't need to know exactly what you're
here for. But if deep down you know I want
to woman and she said, don't invite me to your
(34:02):
apartment when I were hurt, and I said, this is
going so well, I would have and she was like, oh,
I just wrote that, So like why am I not?
But like I want to take your word seriously and
respect you. But at the same time, it's like we
need to have a space where I feel we can
just for people who just want that, right, we still
(34:23):
need that space, And you don't think we're at that point.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
No, I don't think about that point yet because there's
I feel like a lot of what social media and
the internet is feeding us is so specific to our interests,
that there's not a lot of room for experience and
everything is like so calculated.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
It's like if you don't fit in box A, B,
and C, then I don't even want to be.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Bothered because you're going to waste my time when we
all have a lot of time, more time than we
realize we do. So I think a lot of that
is what's being taken away from the experience of getting
to know somebody.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
So I do think there's a lot of room for
that now.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
No, because it's going to be like even if it
was that, it would be like the optimize night, right,
it has to be a night with what does that dude,
mister Gray from fifty Shades, it's gotta be a night
with him or for us, I don't know, Sekira or
something like. It has to be the ultimate night. But
what why do you think that is? By the way,
why do you think you had a better experience? Is
(35:17):
it because they're more selective the way?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I don't think it's because they're more selective.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I think just because maybe because you have to pay
for it, or these are working class women, you know,
these are women with careers, with.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Jobs, and you know they're the creatives as well.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I feel like there's a lot of creatives on there,
and they're just a little more open, you know, They're
more open to experiencing life in a different way. I
feel like, whereas the other apps is just like willingness
is anybody's on it's just kind of crazy. So maybe
it is like because they're a little more select in
the right, they are old also to I think the
people on it. Because the app is selective, they feel
more comfortable with the people that are there. That's true, Yeah,
(35:53):
because they're like, okay, the people who are in this
screen the screen, Yeah, and now I.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Feel will come to open interesting. Yeah, and I'm I
haven't been catfish doing it so shouts out the right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
And I felt that way more so, like there was
less of a job interview when I meet people who
were born perhaps allegedly allegedly since people can't be I
don't even know if birthright citizenship is good right who
were born somewhere else because they have not necessarily brought
into the dating that is always aligned with American capitalism.
(36:25):
And like this optimization that we talked about, it's more
about it's more experiential it's more, this is an experience
of getting to know you as an individual, and also
just there's still something more like our dating and marriage
and all of that has always been tied to economics,
and I'm not saying in other places it's not as well.
Certainly there are parts of South Asia, East Asia where
(36:48):
obviously that's very much true. But I believe in other
parts of the world they value romance and connection a little
more than we do. I think, like you know, especially
in my case dating many women from the global South, like,
it matters if you're romantic, it matters if you have
a connection, it matters if you just have a good time.
It's not about where you stand.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Then after that, in the context of all the other
motherfucker I could be dating like in this story, it's
not again, it's like one v.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Five hundred, right exactly, So.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Like I did have a better a chance with that,
And hey, just another reason do a lingual sponsor us too,
because like if you learn another language, right, then you
get to dat a whole new group of people. Yeah,
so one of y'all compete for our anyway, let's close it. Now,
(37:41):
you're doing great stuff. You're doing stuff locally in Queens, which,
by the way, you're gonna be like a part of
Queen's history doing being such a regular and making comedy,
especially in this part of Queens right that a lot
of people sometimes don't go to because the New York
Jamaica is associated with mad far Long Island. So what
are you doing right here locally?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
And every Thursday, we got to show at Connect Bar, Jamaica, Queens,
Great Bar, Black Own Bar, Women Own Bar, Lounge Space
in Jamaica, Queens every Thursday, eight thirty pm, coming out
to free show for everybody. We got monthly shows down
the Lower east Side Fierce City Comedy Club. And I'm
at any club, any private show that will have me,
so follow me, come on out, let's have it, Lave.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
That's what's up, all right? Thank you for making this
Strollers all right.
You're listening to the prolt on the All Things Broke Network.
This is a New York history podcast inspired by The Dollup,
where I writer of the Metropolitan Trifling Authority, owner of
a wildcat in a one bedroom apartment in the Bronx,
(00:21):
and man who drinks a pink drink. Evan Masconarti reads
a story in New York history to a man who's
been from Miami and back running them up doing stand up.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's Sir Evan Wimberley here, and I hear some stories.
I don't know what it's about, so you know, I'm
just be just as surprised as you guys.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
All right, that's what's up. That's how we do it.
And Evan, so the first time we had two Evans,
a lot of ways to do this, Evan and m
Evan k ever you want to do it, Evan squared,
whatever is good. I remember, as the weather got warmer,
you told me something about trees, right, that's right, the
(01:06):
pollen right. I had no idea what the fuck you
were talking about first, and then I was like, wait,
so there are male and female trees, and what is it?
Us New Yorkers like worse A while because what we
only got female trees.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
So yeah, so apparently they don't plant female trees and.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
That's why we're thirsty.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So the male trees produced all this pollen, and so
there's an excess amount of pollen that has nowhere to
pollinate because there's no female tree. So what we get
is all this extra pollen. Was this is why the
alergies is so bad here. So when I was in Florida,
I didn't have any allergies. When I was a kid
in New York, my alergies are terrible. I'm to Florida,
no alergies because there's fruit trees everywhere. Yeah, and when
(01:44):
I came back to New York, I'm like, why is
it so bad? And then I realized, but that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I wonder like if one day we're gonna find there's
other side effects for having old dude trees out that,
like it's done something to our mind.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I know.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I just think they do it because they don't want
people to capitalized off of selling fruit to Florida. You
realize people who knock down the mangos and they just
go out and sell them.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
So I think that's really what it is. So yeah,
of course everything is doing those down to capitalistic.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Capitalism, down to the trees we got here, absolutely crazy.
They don't want us to be great, great gardeners.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Right there, you go, that's a bullshit agriculture.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Okay. So for the people that haven't seen your stuff,
tell them about the regular stuff you got going on
in New York. And you know how you've been lining
up Miami too.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah. So started doing comedy twenty seventeen in Miami.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Moved back to New York shortly after that for like
five years, went back to Miami, came back to New York.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So I'm always back and forth to New York and Miami.
New York is my home.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I do a weekly show here in Jamaica, Queens at
the Connect Bar.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
We love that show. Every Thursday's eights going out.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I got some monthly shows that do not at Fierce
City Comedy Club, Lower East Side, and then I'm all
around town.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's just I'm at every club that will have me,
any show that will have me. You can look at
my Instagram and I'll post it. Come on down and
share laugh. We love sharing a laugh.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
That's what I've seen a bunch of clips, you know,
you openly talk about relationships.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, and the black and I.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Do that too. And if you do that and you
also post on media do things comedic, it's kind of
why are you? Are you also out here dating?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Not anymore? I was single now, I was dating.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
For a while and then I just kind of took
a break. I just got to get exhausted last few
days I had went on at the time. When I
decided to stop dating, I discovered that these women were
like in relationships. So I'm kind of like, I'm like
a glorified side piece.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So I'm like, you know what, let me just take
some time.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
You gotta you gotta say. If I'm a side piece,
I'm a red booster. Sometimes their sides are better than
entrees cost as much to But so one time I
went out with a woman and because that had happened
to me, right, i asked the like point plank and
by the way, I've had some relationships in Spanish, so
I'm just asking her, are you single? She's like yes,
(04:04):
Why are you asking that? Yeah? And I'm like are
you single? She's like yes, No, I really are you singing?
He's like yes, bro. A week later, I see on
her Instagram, her family with her and a dude that
is not her brother. This dude's been being in the
(04:26):
picture long enough that either within the week after that
she met a dude and said this is the dude,
don't introduce my family and it's not Evan, or it
was a new dude that she had all along, and
then she was pregnant in like a year. Man. So anyway,
So yeah, relationships be crazy. We all know that. But
what I was saying is that, like, you know, if
you're out here doing this stuff and then you still
(04:48):
got relationships, it could kind of get a little messy
because when you want to talk about things that you're doing,
you know the person is going to look like I
also got a platform called Let's Not Be Trash, So
everyone welcome subscribe. It's funny, it's about masculinity. You're welcome
to write anything you want for it as well. It's
about just being a man in this day and age.
And they say, you know, men are trashed. We're like,
(05:08):
let's not be trashed. That pretty fist forward. But so
like at some point they're going to ask that. I'm like,
you know, I don't want to like not tell them,
so I'm like, okay, yeah, I kind of got a platform,
like what's it called Let's not be Trashed? And then
I write all about relationships, a lot of podcasts about
it too. A lot of the stuff we make jokes
about about it too. So it's like you got to
(05:30):
kind of balance this sort of meta like you're in
the part of your life that you're also joking about
that you're also.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Writing about absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, that and that and that could get messy. So
I don't know, maybe it's good you're taking a little
break anyway. We are not sponsored, but as tradition, I
will always make a sponsor. So we are sponsored by
let's see one time. I you know what, I'll just
redo absolutely nothing. We're sponsored by absolutely nothing. They make
(06:00):
absolute they make vodka, and for us, they've made absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
There you go, all right, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
August nineteenth, twenty eighteen. You're of our Lord Optimus Prime.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Elliott g is home.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
He is in Long Island for warp Tour and he's chilling.
I think he said he's drinking an energy drink. Jetty
matches with a girl on tender. He says, I think
it was tender, and it was this very attractive girl.
Professional pictures match almost immediately, like when you open the app.
(06:40):
She mess messages him that she loves to get to
know him and hangout, but you just started this big project,
so she'll reach out at a later time. I was like, cool,
this is this is a first to investigator journalism.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I spoke with Elliott.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I was like, cool, weird, but honest. He's like, she
kind of ghosted me after that, and then a few
weeks later, she comes out of noor and says, Hey,
my friend is djaying in this concert in Union Square.
You want to just meet me there and unclear exactly
(07:15):
of other details, but she was really fine, so he's like, okay.
He puts on his best fit, but she says, I'm
pretty sure was a flannel shirt and went. He arrives
is a tent set up DJ booth, lots of people
thinking this is legit, but then he says, I'm looking
(07:36):
around and it's like it's a lot of dudes. Some
may say it's only dudes here, Okay. Interesting. He's texting
our mutual friend throughout, telling him the situation looks like
it's popping, but there's a lot of dudes. DJ Booth
girl he's gonna meet, and then he sees the girl
that he mastered with surrounded by bodyguards. He almost he
(08:02):
almost calls out to her and then stops himself. He's thinking.
Then she gets to the stage, so he's thinking, oh,
she's hosting the DJ, and then came the announcement, you're
all here for a date with me. Oh wow, And
(08:23):
I'm thinking, Elliott, I'm thinking a group date, bachelorette type shit.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
It's like a social experiment.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And then she started saying how she's gonna narrow down
one by one, Oh lord, each guy in the audience.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
So he gets the picture and he's like, I decided
I'm not sticking around, but he also kind of wants
it's like a train wreck, you know. I also kind
of want to see what the fuck's gonna happen, right,
So he's like, I kind of want to see the reaction.
So some people are booing, obviously, because all these other do.
It's got a message like he did, and they're here
and some people are saying, shut the fuck up. And
(09:06):
then he a bunch of guys in here were like,
let's go get drunk, and people made friends as a result.
Of this because they all had a similar experience. Now. Uh,
and then the criteria started, Okay, you can't have a beard.
It's interesting because sometimes it's like your beard got to
connect our beards here.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
You can't be under five to ten. Now that ruled
me out. So, uh, you can't vote for Trump. That
I'm okay there, especially if she said because she's Latina,
vote for Trump and thinks she could ate Latina. Trust
me that I think that one's.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Out there a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, I mean a lot of us. There probably was
an income thing too, and a lot of us probably
would be canceled out. But uh, you know already from
this there's like a live because the guy's realizing this
is wild. So I learned about this guy also from
the Bronx Philip the Franco. Apparently he's like a local
(10:10):
Bronx like streamer. Due back in the Danny is covering
the story. I guess maybe he got also invited to it,
and he's starting to just shit on it and say
what the hell is going on? Like he's doing play
by play basically John Madden out here. And then it
starts to thin out. It thins out, and then there's competition.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
When did this happen? Oh the year?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, I always start this yelling out a year August
nineteen twenty eighteen. Yeah, yeah, Union Square Park.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
There's races, there's push up contexts.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I'm not doing a push ups for a little girl
for one girl, right, Okay?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
In my outfit the date exactly, you got into a
nice fit like Elliott. Yeah, it's crazy now.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So he's so at this point, he's gonna he's gonna leave.
And my boy Willie was like, Bro, that shit happened
on WrestleMania. You should have already like, you already made
a mistake going instead of going with me to WrestleMania.
Interesting though, that they weren't aware enough think about that
and I say they, well, first, so what the fuck
(11:21):
was this?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
What was it all about? Okay?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Enter Rob Bliss. This is a social media specialist, producer,
director who has an ad agency a creative He's worked
with several brands, PNG, Motorola. He claims that nearly a
billion unpaid views and coverage by international news outlets. He
(11:44):
claimed his method methodology is simple. I believe content has
to pull, not be pushed. We can make our view
or feel something more likely like they're gonna engage with
their content and leads to fantastic ROI and earned media.
This was before chat just rocus so with this in mine.
Rubbless actually made one of his first viral campaigns during
(12:07):
the me too era. I don't know if you remember
the video. It was called like, what was it? Ten
hours of walking through y as a woman. It was
like this famous video, just a woman, she just walking
and dudes a cat calling curR and everything.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Really, Yeah, I've never a cat called a girl in
my life.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, so let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Neither have I.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I never thought I've been cat called?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Have you ever been by a dude or a woman
by a girl? Me too? Both both? Really?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
You know, I'm not There's a dude one time Miami
that I don't know if you cat called me. But
I was walking home with a pizza and he like
rubbed his hand across the pizza box and I was furious.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
But I was so late, it was so late, and
I was so hungry. I was like, I'm not even
gonna be bothered with it.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
He rubbed his hand across the pizza box.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I'm walking, like you know, you're walking home.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Is that his mating call.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It was late.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
You know you're kind of walking home, like caring for
kind of in the days, like I just want to Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I was like my buildings right there. I'm on South Beach.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And walking and he just like hmm, and like I
was like, and I was like, you know what, I'm
just going home.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I don't want to be bothered with it.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I've never seen I remember a bunch of doors. Always
two dudes. When I used to live by the Ankles
border two days, I would alway ask for money every
so often. I give him a dollar. One day I
had shake shack and they were like, I gave him down.
I'm like, deuces, They're like, na, we need the shake shock.
And I said that's where I.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Draw the line. Take my come on, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
But yeah, So it's just these drives. I mean, I
always say it's only got to work once for a lot,
Like you could say, like does it ever work? But honestly,
for a lot of dudes, if it worked once, even
the percentage of punk five percent, they're gonna keep doing it.
It works because just because of that. I once saw
a dude just go to eat the pussy side at
a woman's and she was getting on the bus, and
(13:54):
that's what the women around me were like, if I
ever worked, I'm like, I bet you had just worked
once or not, or his boy told him work ones.
So he was able then to think, yeah, if I
just do it enough times. But yeah, I mean, obviously
it's a harassment to women and it shouldn't happen. And
it just shows you as she's walking through the street
all the harassment she gets, so, you know, an effective
(14:15):
campaign and I get, I get why he did that.
But now he's he decides to get involved with Natasha Aponte,
who was, and I guess still is an aspiring model, singer, songwriter,
actress and she's appeared in Binge in five minutes so far.
(14:41):
Entis page on and you know, is on Apple Music
and streaming services. And he meets with her and decides
to start this like I suppose you could say, live
action art piece where him, her and I guess some
other people all message thousands of man and match with
thousands of men basically saying the same thing. It's like
(15:05):
a match. It's saying the thing about me, my friend
with the DJ, and then after that we'll see what happens,
and we'll get a drink and see what happens. They're
basically saying the same thing to all these dudes. I
was just going deeper more into the activities, calisthetics, acts
of service. I was like, what the fuck is next?
Like we're doing love languages now, and shit happened, Like
(15:27):
we're gonna we're gonna have like well, okay, go to
the best bakery and get me something. So Rob Bliss
and and his agency behind this. So how long do
you think it took them to like plan this.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
It doesn't seem like it's maybe a month, two years,
two years of what exactly, Like what are they doing for?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
That's what I'm saying. They clean two years the planet,
but they only did the like messaging for two months
like that, I'm saying, So what is the planning that?
It makes no sense? And by the way, this is
the output after what they want you to believe is
two years. Okay, so apparently whatever yeah so oh yeah,
(16:20):
so then it then it ends up coming down to
two dudes and she ends up going out with one
guy and it doesn't work out. She says, it doesn't
work out, but they had a great date, which is
like every single date ever, we had a great date
and it's not going to work out. So like, think
about like everyone who's been cut here. So obviously it's
truly to evans that would have been great candidates. Motherfucker.
(16:43):
But Prince Tom holland spider Man. You cut spider Man,
you cut the legendary purple one. Like, obviously this is
very uh And obviously even though our beer connect your
beer doesn't have to connectors. I'm I mean, you're cutting
so many people based on very superficial things. Now, what
(17:07):
was this all about? It was actually all about just
that they claim that they were trying to actually show
and this is by the way, they wouldn't say what
it was about until they got media attention to go
on a morning show, multiple morning shows, including Good Morning
America to say it. They weren't going to say what
(17:29):
it was when they would be contacted when the nasty
massicator was like wait, wait, wait, give us like I
don't know, seventy two hours and then they made their
media rounds and said it was a social experiment to
show what dating is like. Now, how does this show
this online? They said, like the swiping stuff they said,
that's doing it in person. They said, just because someone
(17:53):
you know, they won. They went around and they said,
you know, just because someone doesn't meet your mccriterion, he
doesn't make sure that you're the one, or doesn't meet
doesn't sure they're not the one. And when asked about
if there's any apologies for men who may have been
hurt by it, Natasha goes, I know who I am.
(18:16):
I'm secure and who I am. It's like, okay, so
that's an answer to a different question.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, I mean, I take the responsibility. You got hurt.
This is crazy. I didn't even notice happened.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, exactly, that's why we do this. But but what
a tender.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Almost it was almost entirely tenders. It makes sense.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
So like they claim, especially Rob Bliss is claiming that
this is done to show in real life the behavior
that we do online. He's like, if it's fucked up,
then it's fucked up, and we're already doing it right
in theory. Is that true in theory. But the thing
is this is how I mean. First of all, that's
(18:59):
his consistent message. Her message kind of changed during time,
because sometimes she said, look at all these toxic men
and it's like, well, you are a little toxic to
thetgics in the first in the first place. And sometimes
she said it's about like all these women get harassed
on apps, which is true, so it's nice to flip
the script so say on the kind of petty And
(19:20):
then sometimes in interviews with him and they had a
more consistent message that said, this is about actually showing
that it's wrong what happened. So it's like we can
believe them, we can believe in theory. But as I
like to say, a lot of people called straights right
regardless if you had a message, is your message really
worth it?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
If all these dudes, like you know, motherfucker might be
going to therapy after this saying that, saying that it's
like for seven years, that twenty eighteen thing, man really
messed me up about dating.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
So that's crazy, Like I've had a pretty good experience
on dating apps.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Me too, Yeah, but I had They called it tender
Live at first, at least the experiment. Now it's called
the tender trap. But I actually think there was like
I thought of a better way to do this like that,
like these and they had two years you invite people
to something you call it tinderlive. You say, all these
people are on this app, let's have a meet up
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like speed dating, or or if she wants to be
like the bachelorette queen, then fine, but look when they
get there, then if you want to make it a
social spermit, all you say is this, Hey, all of
you were brought here just to go on a speed
dating mass mak. You could have called this Tinder live.
You could have invited people to a spot because look,
(20:36):
you could say, hey, we got all these people who
are single, all these people on date. You know, there's
actually a single ring.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
A ring Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I thought of that a long time ago. I was like,
why do we only have something that tells you you're
with someone? Because because being single is like stigmatized. Sometimes
we have a single Awareness Day and the abbreviation is
s A D SAD And they don't let hire me
for marketing because it would be bachelor Awareness date because
(21:08):
we bad. Okay, but you don't hire me when I
apply to your shit.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
But yeah, you put it.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
It's called pair like pairing, and then but it's many
of other fruit, so you put it on and like
I have one and it's green. So it's noticeable. I
don't fingers put it on. But then you know, person single,
I mean anyway, they could have done something like that,
like give them things or or like have a big
meet up like you said. It could have been speed
(21:35):
dating if they wanted to have like the one B
one hundred shit where you have one woman here and
a hundreduced. But you could have invited them and then
given them the conditions so at least they would know
that this is a huge meet up and that if
you want to have these conditions.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
You go forward.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
If you want to have the swipe right swipe left
like tender in person like you would be, you would
have to do it like you would online in person.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Right, if they would do that, If they would do
like you are a tender and give the person the
option of consent to do that, that's okay. And then
the people other people say thank you for coming here,
or you could watch it, but you can't participate. But nah,
And and that was fucking two and a half minutes
they took.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
It's not money grabs anymore, it's attention grabs. Now everyone
wants attention. So this is like two years a waste
of time, just to get attention. It comes, it's attentions
here and then it goes. There's no real success.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Right, you would think more people like me doing this
again about these different things in New York history. I
haven't heard. I just thought about this the other day
because but since then, like not much was proven. Yes
it was proven, it's fucked up, but it was just
proven in a fucked up way. And and all these
(22:55):
dudes are just collateral damage. It's like, and it's not
just like people are like, well, their ego got a
little hurts, Like anybody, anybody would feel shit if they
feel they're not good enough for someone like that. But
you know, like we talked about, we've both done online dating.
This girl's pretty, but updated women equally as pretty with
(23:17):
none of this shit. And I'm sure you have too.
So any dude that feels bad, trust me, it ain't
worth it. Okay, as a dude that's been even as
a guy that's been disqualified a lot for being short,
there's a lot of And this is what I was
going to tell you. What I found is actually using
the apps that have a lot of people that weren't
born here. In my experience, I don't know it's your experience,
(23:39):
it feels because if there if many dates I have
been on that are like the popular ones, it feels
like a job interview. That's like, that's your experience too, right.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Well, I feel like a lot of women just asks
questions based on what exactly they're looking for, when in reality,
you shouldn't be looking for anything but a good experience.
So when you start accidentally preliminating questions, it starts to
feel like an interview and more or less of more
trying to get to know someone.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
It's like, well do you fit A? Do you fit B?
Do you fit C?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
And if you don't fit those boxes, then it's like
you're disqualified. So then it's like, what did I even
come on this date for? I didn't come on the
day to buy you dinner or do that. I think
dinner dates are like the worst dates ever. But yeah,
besides the point, but I didn't come on a date
to like, you know, going an interview.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I wanted to go to an interview. I applied for
a job. That's what it feels like, and it's it's
a really slippery slow I feel.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Like a lot of that is also that it's being
put into a box, like it becomes binary, not analog, right,
because it becomes either you have it or you don't,
Like you could have sent me the screening application and
then and then I would even know. So that's what
That's what bothers me a lot when I dated, and
I've had some good experiences, but for the most part,
I get along better with people who weren't born here
(24:54):
because it's also in a very Americanized, hyper capitalist way
of dating.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
You hear that ice.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Allegedly allegedly, so a lot of women who because now
it's illegal just not to be born here, apparently, who
weren't born here, especially from the global South, like South
Asia and South America. When I go out with them,
it feels more like just that all we said, an experience.
It's like I get to know you, you get to
know me, and I just want to have a little fun.
(25:27):
And that doesn't actually mean sex, by the way, on
the first day. I mean actually have some fun. So
I've gone to know people that sometimes we're going to
be here for the rest of their life and sometimes
people who are going to leave ultimately in a few months.
But that was still fun. It was fun. Like one
time a woman from Peru. I made her dinner before
she left. That was a beautiful thing to do. So
(25:49):
I just feel like it's more about me as a
person instead of me in the context of every motherfucker
you could optimize for. So yeah, part of it is
from that culture too.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, this seems like just a huge waste of people's
time for attention. I feel like this were only wanted attention.
She just wanted to bring a bunch of dudes and
may her look more cool, just so they could have
a story.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I don't know what took them two years to plan
about this, but two months I was a little fair.
I think two years might have just been for the
write up.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, exactly two months was that outreach. But they said
it took two years to plan. Mind you, I didn't
actually say this before. There were dudes. They were like,
not snipers, but they were like in sniper positions with cameras,
just because the guy, the producer, Rob Bliss, was trying
to show like, all right, we had a camera here,
we had a camera on this rooftop. We had a
(26:38):
camera on that rooftop to get everybody reaction. And by
the way, someone got hurt. I forgot to say that
somebody got hurt because there was a guy, a college student,
and he went to the mic while they were interviewing
different people there and she was there too, and she
was just interviewing people that stayed and I guess just
wanted to be a part of it, right, And he
(26:59):
was saying, hey, you wasted all these men time that
were down here, and he got tackled by security and
he and they even like choked him a bit. So
there was a you know, some of the people were
harmed physically and emotionally.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
That's crazy.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
But the guy who won, the guy the only highlander,
that guy who went on the date with her and
then ended up being a great date apparently, but it
didn't work out, which they do say proved our point
that not all checkboxes work.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
But it depends which point you were listening to on
which day.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Like I thought about it, and like that dude every
day after that, just think about it. Think of all
he had to do for that date, right, Like, every
every day after that is weird for him and the
person he's dating, because then he because then if that
girl knows he's the dude who's chosen, right, think of
all he had to do just to date this woman, like, oh,
(27:55):
you won't even we talk about meeting someone like Matt
far Oh you won't even meet me, you know, Liz
Withit New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
But you did push ups for her, but you ran
you literally like not ran a mile, but you ran
a race for her.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
That's crazy, Like, how's this dude gonna.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Go on the days? And also he did all that
for He's gonna compare everything to this woman too. It's like,
I wonder, like how it messed with people after this experience.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
They definitely got tender.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah I would think so, I would think so, But yeah,
so I agree. I think ultimately it wastes a lot
of people's time. I don't think it did what it
aimed to do. But what about just to close out?
What about some of your overall experiences with Online Day.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I've had a good experience with online Day. I used
Bumble one time. I went on a really nice date
with Bumble, had a one night stand.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
It was fun.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
It wasn't like a you know, one of those nasty
one night stands where it's like you feel used or
it was just like a cool stand.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
We both needed it.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
We both were in the right place we felt safe.
We had a good time, cool, you know what I mean,
and things and Nancy they ended, but they just you know,
we just went on separate and then I used Ryo
a lot, which was really cool. I had a great experiences, right,
I probably went on like ten to fifteen right dates.
So right, if you want to do a sponsorship check
will take.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
It and get me off the weight list, even though
I know off the weight list him Brittany and Asap
Fashion for a sap rocky.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
You get them off the way that Look, I'm not
signed up anymore, so you lose An Evan, Yeah, exactly right,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But yeah, I had some great experience a riot like
I probably want like ten fifteen right dates. And they
were all cool career women, charismatic, interesting women, fun dates.
Something in New York time outside New York. You know,
I traveled a lot for work. It would be like
cool to set me random women then, but it was fun,
Like I didn't have any cat fishing. It wasn't anything
you know, anybody crazy or like. It just wasn't dates
(29:56):
that blossom into relationships. But for me, I wasn't really
looking for a relationships, so f it's just like, hey,
have a good time again. Good time does not need
sex all the time. You just mean to have a
good time with a woman companion. And you know, a
lot of it was that, and for me it was
you know, spot on. But again, I think the only
drawback I've had, like you know, modern dating as an adult,
(30:16):
it's just there's so much social media prerequisites and everyone
has all of these things in their mind and this
is what I want, this is what I need, and
it does take away from like the wonderment of experience.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
That's the only thing else.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yes, enjoying the experience for what it is right exactly
is completely.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Lost on this.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
It is so again capitalist outcome orient right exactly, immediately,
right exactly, and you're gonna miss you're good. It's like
it becomes a cycle. I don't know someone well enough,
so I'm not going to give them my time, but
I need to give them my time enough exactly. And
the best way to really get that is to be
in the moment, because you're gonna really think about what
(30:57):
it's like to be with this person. Because listen, yes,
it's great travel with someone, it's great if you if
you both have money, but at the end of the day,
unless you're just going to be a couple by convenience
and shit, you're going to be spending a lot of
time with that person alone. Absolutely that you better be
able to have interesting conversations with that person. You better
they better be able to make you laugh or have
the same sense of you, or like same intimacy, love language,
(31:19):
or or at least ones that.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Are compatible and all that shit.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
And you're not looking for that, then, like you said,
you're looking at the fucking checklists for most of the time.
So you said you never got catfish. No, that's good,
never got I thought I was going to get catfish
because her pictures were like so good right that I.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Was like fun. In fact, most of the women I've
dated on rio they look better in real life.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Many women do, I.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Feel like, and I think to a disservice because of
social media, there's like a certain image or the way there.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
They want to take their pictures. They want to come
to that contour.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, I think it's not just a content, but that
they want to look. They want to look I don't
know how to say this trendy. Yeah, not necessarily looks
overly sexy, but they want to like give off a
certain you know, I don't know how to see its
like avant guard or like yeah cooler than you know.
And when I meet them, I'm like, oh, you're like
really wholesome, beautiful lady. So it's like most of the
(32:20):
time they look better in a y. That's another good tag.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Exactly, it's a ray of life, right exactly.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I could do so much ship.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
But so I was like she ship. She was in
like a bathte playboy bunny too much. Like so I said,
can you send me a picture with your toothbrush? And
she did right there, and I was like, unless she
got that on deck, she's real. So I'm sitting there
(32:54):
waiting when we get there, and I talk like the
same thing you hear girls do it like there girls
I do it. I'm like, bro, here's where I am,
just in case. So and I see this fine beautiful
tan Japanese one right, beautiful Kirby. I mean, I'm like,
where I gotta go find this place in Japan. And
(33:17):
we had a great time and it was a one
night thing. But all of my one night things, I say,
have been unintentional, right, Like I haven't really had one
where I went into doing that, like it always just
happened after where the person was like clearly didn't want
more than that. Right, it makes sense, and it's interesting
(33:37):
that we still don't have like have you heard a Field?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yes? Field?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, Even with Field, I feel like I think I
think we're slowly getting to like normalizing having both people
be on the same page with just having sex with
each other right when I stand, But even on Field,
I'll see shit that's like I don't know, And I
agree with you, you don't need to know exactly what you're
here for. But if deep down you know I want
to woman and she said, don't invite me to your
(34:02):
apartment when I were hurt, and I said, this is
going so well, I would have and she was like, oh,
I just wrote that, So like why am I not?
But like I want to take your word seriously and
respect you. But at the same time, it's like we
need to have a space where I feel we can
just for people who just want that, right, we still
(34:23):
need that space, And you don't think we're at that point.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
No, I don't think about that point yet because there's
I feel like a lot of what social media and
the internet is feeding us is so specific to our interests,
that there's not a lot of room for experience and
everything is like so calculated.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
It's like if you don't fit in box A, B,
and C, then I don't even want to be.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Bothered because you're going to waste my time when we
all have a lot of time, more time than we
realize we do. So I think a lot of that
is what's being taken away from the experience of getting
to know somebody.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
So I do think there's a lot of room for
that now.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
No, because it's going to be like even if it
was that, it would be like the optimize night, right,
it has to be a night with what does that dude,
mister Gray from fifty Shades, it's gotta be a night
with him or for us, I don't know, Sekira or
something like. It has to be the ultimate night. But
what why do you think that is? By the way,
why do you think you had a better experience? Is
(35:17):
it because they're more selective the way?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I don't think it's because they're more selective.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I think just because maybe because you have to pay
for it, or these are working class women, you know,
these are women with careers, with.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Jobs, and you know they're the creatives as well.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I feel like there's a lot of creatives on there,
and they're just a little more open, you know, They're
more open to experiencing life in a different way. I
feel like, whereas the other apps is just like willingness
is anybody's on it's just kind of crazy. So maybe
it is like because they're a little more select in
the right, they are old also to I think the
people on it. Because the app is selective, they feel
more comfortable with the people that are there. That's true, Yeah,
(35:53):
because they're like, okay, the people who are in this
screen the screen, Yeah, and now I.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Feel will come to open interesting. Yeah, and I'm I
haven't been catfish doing it so shouts out the right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
And I felt that way more so, like there was
less of a job interview when I meet people who
were born perhaps allegedly allegedly since people can't be I
don't even know if birthright citizenship is good right who
were born somewhere else because they have not necessarily brought
into the dating that is always aligned with American capitalism.
(36:25):
And like this optimization that we talked about, it's more
about it's more experiential it's more, this is an experience
of getting to know you as an individual, and also
just there's still something more like our dating and marriage
and all of that has always been tied to economics,
and I'm not saying in other places it's not as well.
Certainly there are parts of South Asia, East Asia where
(36:48):
obviously that's very much true. But I believe in other
parts of the world they value romance and connection a little
more than we do. I think, like you know, especially
in my case dating many women from the global South, like,
it matters if you're romantic, it matters if you have
a connection, it matters if you just have a good time.
It's not about where you stand.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Then after that, in the context of all the other
motherfucker I could be dating like in this story, it's
not again, it's like one v.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Five hundred, right exactly, So.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Like I did have a better a chance with that,
And hey, just another reason do a lingual sponsor us too,
because like if you learn another language, right, then you
get to dat a whole new group of people. Yeah,
so one of y'all compete for our anyway, let's close it. Now,
(37:41):
you're doing great stuff. You're doing stuff locally in Queens, which,
by the way, you're gonna be like a part of
Queen's history doing being such a regular and making comedy,
especially in this part of Queens right that a lot
of people sometimes don't go to because the New York
Jamaica is associated with mad far Long Island. So what
are you doing right here locally?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
And every Thursday, we got to show at Connect Bar, Jamaica, Queens,
Great Bar, Black Own Bar, Women Own Bar, Lounge Space
in Jamaica, Queens every Thursday, eight thirty pm, coming out
to free show for everybody. We got monthly shows down
the Lower east Side Fierce City Comedy Club. And I'm
at any club, any private show that will have me,
so follow me, come on out, let's have it, Lave.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
That's what's up, all right? Thank you for making this
Strollers all right.
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