CC Suarez’s Anti-MLM Lies EXPOSED: Debunking Every Point She Made Against Network Marketing!

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Now.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I've always had a problem with words and actions not matching,
and especially with when it comes down to integrity of
any service industry. I've been in retail, the restaurant industry,
law enforcement, I owned a gym. Now it's like even
in network marketing. It's probably the biggest service industry I'm
involvement right now. I've always had a problem with hypocrisy,
even at a very young age, I've gotten in trouble

(00:27):
with the professions I've worked in. There's an article written
real briefly, it's a Fence Post article written about me
by Jack Maybley in the Daily Herald Chicago area in
nineteen there's ninety one ninety two somewhere around there where
I got irritated with our management at Blockbuster Video that
I worked at a franchise and I just didn't like

(00:48):
the way that we were treating customers, specifically my manager. So,
as a kid, you know, as a sixteen seventeen year
old kid who had no idea how to really handle
conflict resolution at work or even know how to shut
my mouth and do my job, I wrote a letter,
a letter to the Fence Post and the Daily Herald
talking about it's our job to always serve the people
in this net. And I saw literally retail checking out

(01:10):
for those who are old enough to remember coming up
on a Friday night waiting for the red box to
be dropped in for the overnight you know, the new
release if you owe the red cover and you come up.
And even as stupid as that, erasing a one dollar
late fee, you know, or a rewin fee. I saw
videotapes as like customer service on the highest level that

(01:32):
a sixteen seventeen year old kid could have. So I
was so irritated with how my boss treated people like
they were just volume and money and this and that.
Now as time went on, when I became a cop
and I saw the you know, the truth about how
human nature is when you work in that profession, well, yeah,
then I agreed with them a little bit more. But
I wrote an article and Jack Mabling I wrote one back,

(01:54):
and that became kind of the the evolution of where
I am now, where it doesn't matter what profession I
am in. If I see stuff that is garbage, then
I'm going to address it. I'm very, very, very critical
in the three biggest aspects of what I truly find
passionate in one is the martial arts world, the second

(02:16):
one is in law enforcement, and then the third one
is in network marketing. So when it comes to this,
I attack r I will attack within and expose all
the garbage. And from day one when I started this channel,
that was always the purpose of this channel. Now, if
you've been following this for any length of time, you
know that many years ago the anti MLM people, Julie Joe,

(02:39):
Jessica Hickson, CC Suarez, Marco, they started to look at
my content and they would always do criticize my content, right,
which is fine. It circulates everything. I've offered to debate
every single one of them, and the only one who
ever took me up on it was Marco and it's
on his channel. You can go watch the two hour
debate we did. They've always held the same position and
the same position. It's a scam and it doesn't matter

(03:02):
what angle. You come at them with information and you
can negate everything. Well, seventy five percent of people quit
and they say they make no money, and then you
present facts that it's a subjective study because it doesn't
ever say that every person who said they failed and
they made no money, they all worked the same amount hours.
They all had the same skill set, they all had this.

(03:23):
They don't talk about how seventy five percent of the
people leave and ninety percent of them didn't even pick
up a phone once to do a call to get
somebody on the phone. So it's all subjective in their arguments,
and they all fall back on one thing. Doesn't matter
if you compare and you say, hey, you know X
amount of business, X amount of percentage of business clothes
within their first five years, or what about you know

(03:44):
the standard of NBA recruits that come out of college
basketball or whatever. They all come back the same thing. Well,
they don't recruit. They don't recruit. Many years ago, like
I said, I asked I guess to off debate all
of them, and they said no. And I want to
play a clip, a clip from CC Suarez's own words
of why she wouldn't debate me. Just these are her words.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Obviously love Jessica. And so I reached out to him
and was like, hey, would you be interested in coming
onto my channel and you know, doing an interview with
you and all that, and he said absolutely. But here's
the thing. His one stipulation was doing it in like
a live stream or a like unedited, and I wouldn't

(04:30):
want to do that. And it's not it's not because
like they him look bad, Like no, why would I
do that. I wouldn't do that. I mean I would
even send him like the unedited version of it. But
I need to be able to take out the dead air.
I need to be able to protect my platform.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
So cc Suarez gave justification why she refused to debate me,
and the reason why I'm bringing her up is because
I want to talk about her faux debate between her
and Eric Worri. Eric Worri did a debate where he
actually nobody would debate him, apparently, and he had some
people from a conference. Jesse Lee Ward was there. I

(05:06):
have never seen her video, and I believe that if
you're going to look into researching the network marketing industry,
you're going to watch content like hers, and you're going
to form a bias. Now, I don't debate stuff. I
don't know what I'm talking about, and it's anybody could
talk about any subject whatsoever. I've gone extremely hard, and
I've played in the gut and of the mud, and

(05:27):
I've gotten personal with the anti MLM crew because that's
what they do. They all do. And you know what,
it's a day and age where we just comment. We
do do commentary on people's content. And I've done it
as well too. But they're always talking about Jesse Lee Ward,
even after her death. Everybody else that's in the network
marketing space. Fine, I want to see and it's always

(05:48):
been my stance since day one, and I've offered this.
I agree with so much of the passion that the
anti MLM community has. We need to work together to
fix the industry. Their viewpoint is no, we need to
get rid of industry period. Even look at Marco. Marco
changed his formula for a YouTube again. He's now changed

(06:10):
from comedian to rapper, to anti network marketer, now to
the anti scammer. They can't stay with one tool of
trying to solve a problem in an industry, and that's
and I here, this is my point. I want to
so I'm gonna play this debate. I want to watch
this debate together. I want to listen to this. I
want to listen to Eric's explanation. I want to listen

(06:32):
to CC's explanation. Who she is self admitted the longest
she's ever spent in an mL and a network marketing
multi level marketing businesses three days, seventy two hours. So
I want to hear this together because I want you.
I want you to hear this stuff, and I want
you to be You're gonna hear both sides, and you're
gonna be like, oh, and you're gonna get the analysis
paralysis and if you're going to go forward to the industry.

(06:54):
Hopefully this will eradicate some of you who have horrible practices,
and this will solidify some of you, like man, okay,
I do believe this, but I'm intimidated. These anti MLM
people play up a great job on emotion, which is
the same thing that network marketers do when they're scum.
So we need to solve these problems. Let's watch this
together and listen to this debate and solve some problems.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Welcome back to my channel. My name's Chelsea. If you're
new here. If you're not new, welcome back. I appreciate
you coming back. Follow me across all social media Instagram, TikTok, Twitter,
I am I am cc sores across all social media.
I also have a podcast that'll be Linkdublo. I have merched.
That's also link dumblo. If you hear snoring, that is
my bulldog Wigham. He's in the love soack, he's not
feeling good today. So we'll end this whole weekend. So basically,

(07:38):
take your kid to workday here at the Sora's household,
even though I work from home and he's always with me.
So like, follow, subscribe, comment all those things, follow and
subscribe me the same thing, Chelsea. So let's go ahead
and get into this video.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Now.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
A lot of y'all told me that out to be fair.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
This is one because I said my stip with her
to go on her stuff was unedited and live. I
will not skip ahead at all in any of her content,
and I will play this in its entirety. I will
not be a hypocrite on this. That was the reason.
And I'm not gonna go on their content unless it's

(08:16):
fully released. All of my flubs, all of my scrips,
whatever you name it, get a chance to expose me,
or it's live. So she won't debate people, but I'm
gonna allow her to speak in her entirety. So because
I'm not going to be a hypocrite.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
At the go Pro Virtual Network Marketing Summit of twenty
twenty one, so prestigious. That's Eric Warri, who will get.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
And before we continue, clearly it's just it's a tone.
She doesn't like it, and that's fine. I will give
her every aspect of you can't stand network marketing. It's
a personality thing for you. You get snarky only it's
the go pro awesome, Great. I want to find out
everything she says, and I'm going to listen with all right,
did she say something that I don't like because it's

(08:59):
not true or because I don't like how she said it?
So I have to be fair on this. I don't
like a lot of what Eric Warri has to say.
I don't like ninety percent of what Chelsea has to say.
But I'm going to sit there and give her the
benefit of doubt.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Get into him a second that he had four of
his like top people in the network marketing industry. He
had them role play as network marketing haters and then
he overcame their objection. Now at the beginning of this
little bit, and I quote that he's been trying to

(09:33):
debate network marketing industry haters for like ten years, and
he says that He's reached out to all of them
and no one will answer him, so he has to
have these people role play.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
I have not received a tweet, attacks a carrier, pigeon,
a call, a smoke signal, an email.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
I haven't received that this is untrue. There's actually I
don't recall which video, so somebody would have to. This
is trying to disprove a negative. There is a Eric
Warri invited personally Chelsea two debate. She refused, she declined,
or she didn't respond on this story, so I don't
know if it was before this video after this video.
She has been offered debates. This is so at the

(10:10):
time of this could have been true, but no, and
all she has to do is a debate and have
a conversation with him.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
But she still hasn't to this day, nothing from Eric
Worry or anyone associated with him. So I decided I'm
going to take it upon myself to essentially debate him
and all of his beautiful rebuttals that he has to
all of these MLM hater objections. I have not had
to grab a notebook and a pen and a bit

(10:39):
And y'all know, if you've been here for a while,
you've been here since like twenty thousand subscribers. You know
when I'm taking notes, I'm getting serious. Welcome to my
great debate, Eric worry didn't call me.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
No notes, free flowing it, not going to pause this
at all, not accessing my computer, going off the top
of my head for this one. So we'll see how
this goes.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
You didn't even have the decency to send me a
smoke signal, and I fucking Di di No Morris code,
not even a candy Gram. Oh candy Gram, I want one.
I'm gonna give you this gift of me completely destroying you.
And you don't even have to do anything. You don't
even have to be there, address up, nothing. It's gonna
be glorious. Now you might be thinking, Chelsea, who the

(11:22):
fuck is Eric Worri, same Eric Worrio. According to his
LinkedIn page, you can find out a lot about someone
on LinkedIn, and even more if they don't have a
LinkedIn on LinkedIn, he used to be in a couple
different MLMs. He's been in the industry for quite a while,
over twenty ish years. Actually it's like over thirty, yeah,
over like thirty years. So he has experience, he has experience.

(11:43):
This is his area of expertise. Now, you can have
an area of expertise, doesn't mean you're necessarily an expert
on it, doesn't mean you're actually good at it. But
a lot of times, and this is just my opinion,
what can happen is when someone is in a certain
field and they don't see greats of obsess with it,
they will pivot to consulting in that.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Now, she's right on that, and I've called Eric out
that for a long time. I have never met Eric.
I don't know Eric. I don't even know a company
he's in. You could see online his net worth is
about forty million dollars. There is consulting. The one aspect
I would kind of debate her on that is and
what point did he switch to consulting. There's a point

(12:26):
in time where the network marketing is so exhausting where
you're like, my god, I teach martial arts, right, and
there's a there's a there was a five year layoff
time where I'm like, I am so tired of these
people who show up late to class. They just they whine.
I give them assignments. They clearly didn't train it. It's like,
you know, what. I'm just gonna go on YouTube instead,

(12:48):
and I'm gonna give videos that will be up in
perpetuity instead of actually dealing with people one on one
so I can understand what Eric is doing. It's like
there's a time where you're like, man, you guys just
don't want to listen. I'm tired of her recruiting non stop,
rebuilding my team, all of this, and I just want
to sit there and I'm going to take advantage of it.
If most people only come in for a few months,

(13:09):
why would I not? Why would I not sell programs
for the people who are just going to do the
ninety percent of the people going to come in, do
the business and then leave. Why am I focused on
the ten percent who are actually going to stay? So
it's capitalism. All of these ladies and network marketing or
the anti MLM crew, they produce nothing, nothing. They're geniuses.

(13:31):
All of them take the work of other people and
critique it on their YouTube channel in an echo chamber
and create money. You can't hate them. They're brilliant. It's amazing.
But I will pose this one question when it comes
to Eric Warri, the most successful, powerful, brilliant network marketer,
in the history of this industry is jesse Lee Ward.

(13:55):
She always will be. There's no question about it. She
will She has said many many times. Eric worri is
her mentor. Eric Worriy helped build her, Eric warri x
Y and Z. So I'm gonna take data's face value
if you're gonna question his ability, not for nothing. Even
Jesse Lee Ward said that he built her. So that's

(14:18):
my standard of Eric Warriy's qualification in this industry.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Field or coaching and not field. I see where I'm
going with us. So Eric Warriy now is like the
CEO of her president, owner whatever of Go Pro Productions,
Go Pro network marketing, this thing, this conglomerate basically that
is all about network marketing and education when it comes
out from network marketing.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
And again, if you're watching the video, you could see
the bias in her tone. She's not open minded. Keep
that in mind as you go forward. She just does
not like the industry. I'm fine with that. I have
no problem with it. But I want to keep you
if you're going to you're going to be latching onto
a personality as you continue mine. Eric's hers one of them.
Keep in mind are you biased because of how it's

(15:03):
presented or what is actually said marketing.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
So he's written books, like multiple books. I believe in
network marketing you will always see someone reading a book
by him. Essentially, it's insane. Now he also has this
like Mastermind group where you have to not only spend
about twenty five thousand dollars to get into it will,
but you also have to be a six figure earner

(15:31):
within your own MLM. It's crazy, but then also being
a partner.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Those are called standards. I will never work with anyone again.
If I teach wing Chun who does not dedicate and
commit to X amount of days a week, my tuition
is double what it was when I was teaching years ago.
There's a standard. I want a certain type of person
who is going to achieve because they want to, not

(15:55):
because I'm trying to pull teeth to do it. Think
about this with your network marketing business and you go
to recruit, it's okay to tell people I'm sorry, I
just do not think you'd be a good fit for me.
Your standards are not as high as mine. So this
is a younger generation. I'm gonna be fifty. This is
a you know, I think she's in her thirties at
this point, younger generation typical. Everybody thinks that they're owed

(16:17):
something and it's got to be standard, even across the board. No,
there has to be a standard. And if you want excellence,
get rid of the weak minded, get rid of those
with anout work ethic, get rid of those who have
not done any If I wanted to learn, if I
knew for certain that Eric Warri's methodology, well, joly cow

(16:37):
I mean Eric, he'd created Jesse Lee Ward. I want
to go work with me. He's like, you don't you know,
are not a top one hundred thousand dollars earner in
your company? You bet your ass. I'm going to sit
there and go all right, boo boom. I want this. However,
for me, I just seeing what the old ways of
network marketing was, I just don't agree with it. And
it's not a direction I'm going to take to change

(16:58):
the game and change the industr of network marketing.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Part of that is like some type of flex within
a MLM. It's very strange. Listen, if I'm making one
hundred k, it's not profit, keep that in mind. But
if I'm making one hundred k, a year. I'm sure
is Buck not gonna bump that down to seventy five
thousand gross annual income by giving him twenty five thousand
of it. I'm sure is Hell not going to do that? No,

(17:23):
why would I do that?

Speaker 2 (17:24):
So you would do it? Because if it was somebody
who taught you how to make YouTube videos and it
was proven success, and they're like, no, you're every one
of your YouTube YouTube video's gonna have a million dollars.
It's gonna cost you twenty five thousand dollars to learn
under me, you'd do it. And when it comes up
to the status too, home buying, car buying, well, if
you make fourteen bucks an hour and you're not going
to get approved for a three hundred and fifty thousand

(17:47):
dollars mortgage loan, so I don't know why. And here's
where the here's where the anti MLM community always debates
the points that you're debating, Well, those are tangible items.
You know what put a price tag on knowledge is
what it is?

Speaker 1 (18:00):
You know?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Like I said, I've been teaching a certain martial arts
since nineteen training and teaching since nineteen ninety six. I've
been a folk style wrestler. Since nineteen eighty eight. Put
those two together. It's what I teach, right. How do
you know that the information I'm going to give you
you can apply? That's a risk. We all take an education.
You go to a college, you spend all tuition. You

(18:22):
might get it, whether or not you can apply it
and translate it into the world. How do you not
just you know, you just didn't blow one are fifty
thousand dollars a year. So keep in mind all of
their arguments are subjective to the ability of the person
who takes the information and whether or not they can
apply it.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Oh, let's go ahead and debunk this tom foolery.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Eric, tell me something.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
An't ashamed to scam people every day.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
How do you go to bed at.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
Night and sleep when you know very well there are
only few people at the top make money and everybody
else is just making you rich.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Everybody's making me rich. Only a few people making money,
that's what you're thinking. Let me explain to you how
this works inside of Inside of our network marketing profession,
everyone who joins network marketing is at the top. Everyone's
CEO of their own company, everyone's chairman of the board

(19:22):
of their own business. What they decide to build from
It is up to them. The amount of people that
they want to build within their team, that's up to them.
What we provide is an opportunity for people to be
able to express their entrepreneurial dreams. Some people are not

(19:45):
willing to do what's necessary to build a business.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Okay, So what I've done is I have the question
or the objection on one side, and then his answer
on this side. Y'all, all they're probably thinking is the
same thing I was thinking when I first watched this,
which I watched it through all the way first to
make sure it was actually like worth making a video on.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
And this is the first time I'm seeing this ever.
I know, I caught simpets of it. I've searched Eric's
site of Sir Trisy lee Ward site, I just couldn't
find it. Chelsea's the only one who has it. If
it was out there, I would have loved to do it.
But this, I think is more convenient because it's not
as biased as just me giving my own opinions on him.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Then this time I'm actually you know, listening and dissecting
everything live with well not live, but you know, in
real time with you by the time he got to
like the last sentence, I'm like, sir, you just said
a bunch of shit that like was skirting around what
she asked. So the question was, first of all, how
do you sleep at night knowing you're scamming a bunch
of people and only people at the top are making money.

(20:45):
So let's kind of reframe that to I'm sure what
they're trying to say is the only the people at
the top. The thing is that it's not. It's not
the people at the top, it's the one percent, right,
So that's per the FTC, and then per the AARP,
they did a more recent study that says.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
I'm glad she actually defined that because it's not the
people at the top. And what Eric was saying is
you were the top of your own pyramid, because everything's
a structure.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
I have a woman above me, she's been my mentor
for a decade plus and she's been with the company
for over twenty years. Right, she's the top of her own.
The people I bring in there the top of their own.
The point being is one day my mentor could say
I'm just not doing this anymore. I'm done. I just
don't have the passion for it anymore, I will still
be the top of my company, of my portion of

(21:34):
the business that we're in. So he said that, and
I appreciate her saying that it's not just people at
the top, it's the one percent.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
The average loss is anywhere from I believe it's like
seventy five percent, and obviously we'll have a linkdumblow two,
but it's like seventy five percent to like ninety nine
percent of people lose money in MLMs. Don't keep in mind,
it's even if someone made like one dollar, okay. I
don't consider making one dollar making money or being successful

(22:03):
in network marketing because.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
That's not okay. You don't consider that that's fine. You
don't consider that they still made money.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
This is where they get you. And I'm glad she
said that that's fine when she says seventy five percent.
And I've argued this with many people, either on a
video or the one debate with Marco. It's subjective because
they do not list. If you have one hundred people
in network marketing and seventy five of them say it's
a scam, I didn't make money, that's the limit. There's

(22:32):
no follow up questions. They take it as face value.
Nobody ever asks, Okay, when did you quit six months
into the business, six weeks into the business, five years
into the business. Nobody ever asks that. And then they
don't follow up with how many hours a day did
you work? Two hours a month, how many days a

(22:56):
month did you did you work? Two days? They never
asked that. They never asked how much work. And the
work is subjective because you could be thinking that, oh
my god, you're busting your butt doing stuff and you're
actually not. They never talk about that, So I appreciate
the fact that she just admitted that out loud. If
you made a based on their argument, their own argument,

(23:20):
seventy five percent of people don't make money, but if
you make a dollar, I still don't. I still no.
You made money. That is making money. That goes into
the standard where they always leverage success as network marketing
as being a millionaire. This is where their hypocrisy. They
will never admit it. So you can subjectively say, well,

(23:41):
I don't agree with the fact if you made a dollar,
you're not successful. And I've always said a car payment
is the standard of success in network marketing. If you
have to spend because you have to buy your product
every month, or your service if you have to spend
two hundred dollars a month, but you're breaking. But you're
making seven hut hours a month which is now five
hundred dollars a month, and you could cover your car

(24:02):
note and insurance. You are successful at network marketing. They say, well, no,
it's the millionaire status. Nowhere did anyone say that outside
of the scumbags who are pushing the industry the wrong way.
So I respect her for acknowledging this, putting it up
in video. She said, seventy five percent of people drop

(24:23):
out of network marketing say they didn't make money. There's
no there is no literature, there's no bank statements, there
is no anything to prove their theory or their statement.
It's just people saying I dropped out because I didn't
make money. That's all they say. There's never any follow up.
But according to her, if somebody makes twenty bucks a month,

(24:45):
or even a dollar a month or whatever, they didn't
make money. So you need to keep that in mind
when she goes forward, because she just now exposed herself
as everything is a bias and her facts are going
to be skewed towards her personal opinion as somebody who
never did the business and it was in the industry for
three days.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
According to herself, it's not what your promise when you
join if or what you're enticed with. Right, maybe you're
not promised anything but what you're enticed with. So his
rebuttal to that, because what I actually would have said
is what I just said, How are you okay with that?
How are you okay with the failure rate being so high?
I mean, the failure rate is extremely high, and such

(25:22):
a small amount of people make money doing this.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Again, failure is subjective. If you came in and somebody
told you, like they told me, dude, you're going to
make six figures in your first six months. I remember
hearing that from a wonderful human being who passed away.
The guy was awesome, and I'm like, dude, that's not
going to happen if that's the case. And I was
dumb enough to believe it, and then I dropped out. Well,

(25:47):
I quit. There's no failure in network marketing. There's really
no failing. It's quitting. It's all right, I'm not seeing
the results I want. I'm going to quit. I'm not
a millionaire yet. I've been in this business's twenty two twelve.
I'm not a millionaire. I have no intention on quitting.
I make money, I enjoy it. I'm going to continue.

(26:08):
So everything is subjective. There are people out there who
wouldn't last twelve days. I got to call I gotta
do this, I gotta do that. They fail, they drop out,
So they take the people who exit the business as failing. Remember,
there's nothing and to put this last point in it
are there. CC did reference a study once that was

(26:29):
from Wisconsin in the eighties that was done from a
poll of twenty thousand people. That was her poll that
referenced why the high failure rate what it was. So
every time they say these failure rates, it's seventy five
percent failure rate. Ask show me the information, not just
the study. Okay, you got seventy five percent of people
said they didn't make money. Explain how did they make money?

(26:52):
How little money do they make? Where's their bank statements?
How much money do they spend a month to do
their business? What did it cost them? Did it cost
them a thousands a month to do it? And they
couldn't they were only making fifty bucks a month. How
long did they last for it, how much do they work,
how many hours did they put in, what was their
knowledge base? There are so many factors that go into
this that they will just never admit to, and they

(27:13):
always come back to one thing. It's a scam. So
if we're gonna be fair, we have to talk about that,
and they never will.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
And for them to make a bunch of money doing this,
they have to recruit people, and people below them are
actively losing money. So that's always how it will be.
People are losing money below you for you to be
making money, well.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
People below you are losing money for you to make money.
That's subjective. What's losing money because now, in the pyramid
scam that is illegal in the United States, you exchange
money for a spot. It's like a cover charge. You
get nothing but air. Hey, Chelsea, you give me two
hundred dollars. Go out and get two people and get

(27:53):
them to give you two hundred dollars. You're gonna keep
fifty a piece. You're gonna give me the one fifty.
They're gonna repeat that. They're gonna repeat that, They're gonna
repeat that. Right, that's losing money. That's losing money. When
it comes to this, Chelsea, I bring you into my business.
If you choose to do the business, you're gonna pay
an enrollment fee. And for our specific company, it's less
than one hundred dollars. So if you choose you, if

(28:15):
you pay ninety nine dollars and never do anything, you
lost ninety nine dollars. So mathematically speaking, if you leave,
then she's right, you lost money. You lost ninety nine dollars.
But the way they sound they say this is that
it's just you're they're constantly draining bank accounts to make
the people above them rich. Every month with my business,

(28:36):
now once a year, I have to pay my renew fee,
and that pays for my back office, all the stuff
that the company keeps going on every month. It's not
mandatory with my company, but I do. I purchase my
own products for my company. I get a two orders
every month they come in. It roughly costs me about
two hundred and fifty bucks every month. Now, if I

(28:58):
make no money whatsoever, I didn't lose two hundred fifty
bucks a month. I spent it in a product I take,
I believe in, I enjoy, and I believe benefits me.
I feel better. There's some functioning better. My life is
kind of there's some purse. I can't give you testimonials.

(29:19):
But how did I lose money my upline? She's always
gonna get points from my monthly renewal transaction, but I
didn't lose any money. And this is how it is
for a normal standard of network marketing people. You spend money,
but you're getting your product or your service every month.

(29:40):
So I don't understand what when she says this, she's
being disingenuous. And again, somebody who only spent three days
in the industry and is going off what everyone else
says doesn't know what she's talking about. Am I making
my upline rich? I'm giving her points to qualify for
what she makes every month. Okay, I guess I'm making

(30:00):
her money. But every month I'm still getting two hundred
and fifty dollars with a product from my company that
I love. I'm not losing money. I'm not losing money.
So let's continue.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Always be bottom heavy. How are you okay with that?
So his answer is everyone who joins network marketing is
at the top. No, sir, No, the person who recruited
them will always be above them. Now, sure you can
out rank the person above you, but typically if you
rank up, they rank up. Sure you can maybe sell

(30:31):
more products than them, or recruit more people than them,
and you can out earn them in like a month
or so or whatever. Sure, but it's not how that works, right,
I mean, that's just not everyone's at the top. It's
literally mathematically impossible.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
She can't even explain it. She can, and he didn't
say they're at the top. They're at the top of
their own pyramid. And maybe if it's a pyramid structure,
I don't know why we deny that they are at
the top. I was enrolled by a woman that I've
known for over ten years, and she's a bouve of me.
She outranks me. There's someday I'm gonna outrank her. I
tell her this all the time. I will still always

(31:06):
be under her. But all the people who are under
me that I personally recruited, I'm at the top of them.
I'm at the top of the network I built in
this in the in my independent leg of network marketing.
It's not that hard to do, it's not that hard
to decipher. I will never make well, I could. I could.
I guess our our our main guy. I don't want
to say his name because I don't want to represent

(31:28):
the company in this. But he's been at this company
for forty plus years. I yeah, maybe in twenty years
I can outdo him. I'll I don't think I'll ever
outdo his business because that would take, you know, maybe
thirty years of my life to do. Mathematically, is sure,
I can't, but it's I'm not gonna be. I don't
understand her argument. If she's she's saying top, well that

(31:49):
that that her argument is the time you joined in. Well,
if the company opens up tomorrow, when five people get in,
they're always going to be at the top of what
she's describing. Yes, you are the top of your organization
for the network marketing company that you came in at
your status, It's very simple. I do not know why
this is such a bonus contention for them, Why they
just can't understand you're the top of the organization. You

(32:11):
choose to build my upline, my mentor will always be
above me physically in the structure, and that's it. It's
not a big deal to me at all. But guess
what if she drops out, person her drops out. All this,
I'm still gonna be at the same status. It doesn't
bump me up any level towards anything closer to getting
at the top of what she says.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
So, no, not everyone is at the top rank of
network marketing. Oh no, no someone.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
He didn't say top rank, thank you. He didn't say
top rank. He said top So no, you lost this.
It's the top of the of the pyramid where you
start recruiting. People underneath you.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Always has to be below you in network marketing. It
is the recruitment based business model. Okay, So I just
destroyed him on that everyone.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Is No, Chelsea, you didn't. You did not hear what
he said. You lost the argument on the status and
the definition of people who dropped out, how they lose
money to keep people above them up ended and the
top but your definition versus what his definition actually was.
So just to recap on these points, No, you do
not constantly lose money if you're in a legitimate network

(33:18):
marketing business because you are paying. You are paying for
a product or service you are getting every month, So
there's value that you're exchanging. You want to say every
year you have to pay a reup feel like I do.
Oh got them out fifty sixty bucks every year I
lost that. Okay, divide that by twelve, and that's how
many that's your dollar for the month that you're gonna lose.

(33:38):
She lost in the top position because she had a
different definition than him. He didn't say everybody's at the
top rank. You were at the top position, and yes,
you want people to outrank you. I would love for
the people I brought in to outrank me because I'd
still make money and I'd make more money because of that,
and they would. They don't. They don't pay pass me
in rank, but they don't pass me. An organization structure

(34:01):
because they've got their own team which they're on the
top of. It's really not that hard to look at.
It's just a pyramid structure.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
It's the CEO of their company. Everyone is chairman of
the board of their own biz. I wrote bizz because
you know I was going fast. No, they're not. You
are a salesperson. You're not the chairman of anything. You're
not the CEO. No you're not. You don't own anything.
And that's another rebuttal that they're going to bring up,

(34:30):
or an objection that they're going to bring up in
a minute, but you don't. You can be fired at
any moment. I don't know about these other people. And
that black Eye is so cute like you, deserves so
much better. I mean, good for him that he's making money,
but also not good for him because at what costs?
How many people has he screwed over? Knowingly or unknowingly.
Ignorance does not equal innocence. Everyone is the CEO of
their own company. No, you're a salesperson. Everyone is chairman

(34:51):
of the board of their own business. No, unless they've
set up a business entity an S corporation, or set
up an LLC and structured it as an S corporation
or a sea corp. I surely fucking hope none of
these people. No, Please, for the love of God, do
not structure your business as a sea corporation. If you're
in an mlm uh, dummies, actually know what you deserve it.

(35:14):
If you're dumb enough to do that, you deserve those
tax implications.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
Yike.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
One of the reasons that I actually took that approach,
and I like it, but I do strongly suggest people
look at this as a job. It's the pride factor
versus the work ethic in it. I tell people all
the time too, Yeah, you are your own franchise one
hundred percent. I'm a franchise representative of X, Y and Z.
Now you don't own a building. Blah blah blah blah blah.
I'm so tireless argument, and then you'll get the way. No,
they want to fight tooth and nail for semantics. They're

(35:41):
the same type of people that would go up to
a kid that's got a lemonade stand and say you
need shit all over them. You don't own your own business. Great,
we get it. You want to die tooth and claw
when we're talking about the principal mindset to being a
business owner so that the people will kick up the responsibility.
There's two types of people that actually work well when
it comes to being entrepreneurs. It is people who can

(36:03):
own their own business.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
I am not.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I am not that person. I'm a fucking worker bee,
I'm an aunt. I am I'm a drone. Give me assignments.
I go after it. I'm in the network marketing space
and I love it. It's my job. If I don't
look at it as my job, I won't pick up
the phone. I won't slide in the DMS, I won't
have conversations. And it's as simple as that. But I
appreciate the structure of yeah, this is my franchise. There's

(36:27):
a pride in it, there's a responsibility in it. So
they always do this. You don't own your own whatever. Great.
I don't know if Chelsea has set up her YouTube
channel as an s corp or as an LLC or
what happens the day that YouTube doesn't like something that
she says and she just, oh, it's what Maybe she
doesn't say, I own my I own my own YouTube channel.

(36:48):
This is great. It's all semantics. I appreciate it. We'll
just move on from there, because it's they love to
shit on the emotions of everybody who's going to come
in with any type of pride for this industry. So
from my point of view, here's somewhat of an alignment
with her. I think that everybody should look at this
as a job. You're a salesperson one hundred percent. Your
job is to sell, sell, sell, You sell the business

(37:09):
and you sell the product or the service and the
story later on look at yourself as a business owner.
But for right now, let them have this victory. Go, Okay,
you're right. I'm not a franchise owner. I don't go
to a building every day and do whatever whatever you
want that victory have at it.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
So the chairman of the board, you're only going to
have chairmen or board members if you're an S corporation
or a C corporation. What most people in MLMs do
not make enough money to even have it make sense
for them to register an LLC or have it structured.
Is anything more than a partnership, a multi member LLC,

(37:48):
or a sole proprietorship a single member LLC. What they
decide to build with it is up to them. You
know what, I want to recruit forty seven thousand people
into my downline. I decided it. It's up to me. No,
it's not. It's up to your downline. Your success is
up to your down line. I could recruit seventy people
right below me, but if those people don't work, I'm

(38:11):
getting nothing. They decide how to build their team. That's
up to them. Is it up to you or is
it up to your down line? What we provide.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
I agree with her on that there's a lot of bs.
So all you have to do is believe and decide
that she's actually right on this one. It blows me away. No,
you're talking about human beings, free will people who actually
could sit there, and you're all hyped up one day,
and then six months later they're not even returning your
calls anymore and they've disappeared. So there's a lot of
truth in what she's saying on this if you are not.

(38:41):
And this is how I solve that problem is I'm
tired of thinking that my down line owes me anything.
My downline gets annoyed with me because I'm always what
do you need? What can I do for you? What's
going on here? What do you need today? Can I
sell for you? Because this is not no I told you,
I take this seriously. What can I do for you?
So I go to my downline all the time. I'm
not expecting them to come to me anymore because I

(39:03):
know how lazy people are and how they just don't
want to get involved. They don't want to do anything.
So she's I will agree with around this. It's not
up to you. It's up to the people you bring
in and your relationship and your working ethic with them.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
First of all, bitch, who's we's an opportunity for people
to express their entrepreneurial dreams. What what in the Keith
Ranieri did you just say, no entrepreneurial dreams, You're not
an entrepreneur. If you join an MLM, you're not. Look
look up the definite.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Entrepreneur A person who organized and operates a business or
business is taking greater than normal financial risks in order
to do so. Well they are then, because didn't you
say that a majority of people who get involved with
that we're working lose money every month? So I mean
doesn't if we're going to do the semantics game, doesn't
that really fit the definition of what you just said
of a greater financial taking on greater normal financial risks

(39:57):
in order to do so? So if I saw your
video and I still chose to do this, I am
taking a greater than normal risk financial risk in order
to operate a business. My business is sales. I'm operating
into sales as an independent contractor. I'm an entrepreneur. You
can you not read? I know, I okay, We're got

(40:18):
to keep moving on, But no, you are wrong. You
lost this one too.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Mission an entrepreneur because that's not what it is. It
does not say salesperson in an MLM. Some people aren't
willing to do what it takes to build a business.
So that last sentence right there, that that is his
rebuttal to the objection or to the point rather most
people lose money. His rebuttal is brilliant rebuttal that he

(40:44):
thinks is so good is some people aren't willing to
do what it takes to build a business. They're not
They're not, Eric, my guy, You're not building a business.
You're recruiting people. So you're saying that some people just
don't know what it takes, or doesn't don't want to
do what it takes, don't want to make the sacrifice.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
It can see how this goes on and on and on.
So that means that Chelsea's business is her her job.
What she makes money is to do video reviews all
day long. She builds nothing her business. Like if somebody says,
what do you do for work? What's your business? Is
she gonna go, oh, no, I don't. I don't really
have a business. I'm I'm a YouTube content creator. I
don't have a business. Is she going to say that
same thing? Because your job literally is to put makeup

(41:23):
on as you are speaking over the content of what
everybody does. You literally create nothing. You use makeup that
was not created by you. You speak into equipment that
wasn't built by you. You you give reviews or your opinions.
You're doing editorials on the work other people have done,

(41:44):
and you make money. Is that your business? What are
you creating? I mean, they their their definition fits so
many people out there in the world. I mean, for
the love of God, still, I guess the stand up
comedians don't make money because making people laugh isn't building
a business. A teachers just passing on knowledge isn't the

(42:06):
business you know, it's your an employee. Fine, if that's
the case, then we could just end it here. I'm
in sales and you could see you want to eliminate
these arguments from these people. So if somebody goes, don't
do this, don't go up and go I own a business.
I'm a network marketing professional. No, I'm a sales professional.
I'm in the network marketing space. What do you sell?
This is the business I'm in, This is this is
my company. Keep it there. Take the wind out of

(42:27):
their sales. Fine, you want to die on the hill
that you want to insult people who have pride in
what they do and elevate themselves in their mind to
being a business owner. So it has integrity. Fine, that's fine.
You put on you in your pajamas, put on makeup,
and you complain about what other people do. That's your
business is.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
To try to recruit people to work constantly, to pester people,
to try to recruit people into a project. Failed and
very flawed system objective, Absolutely not. It's over.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
The system is not flawed. The system is the simplest
there is in capitalism. You sell a product, You sell
people on the idea to sell the product as well.
That's it. The methodology, the lack of integrity, the delivery
of how it's been for decades is flawed. The system itself.

(43:20):
Here's a product, cell phone cases. I've got to sell them. Oh,
hey listen, I've got a whole batch here. In order
for me to make more money. I'm gonna recruit you
to sell them too. That's not worth marketing. Don't know
what the problem is. If I say, hey, listen, I'm
gonna ah, you're gonna grow six inches. You're gonna be
five foot twelve by the time you get done with

(43:43):
this and you're gonna lose fifty pounds and you're gonna
have the greatest relationship on the planet, and your bank
account's going to have seven circles behind it or zero's
behind it. Oh, then then I'm manipulating. So the system
is not flawed. The system is the simplest in the world.
I sell it product, and I sell the idea for
somebody else to sell the product. That's it. The methodology is.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Flawed, saturated, it's extremely manipulative. And what you're saying does
not make sense.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
I want to back up. Sorry, she's batching over there,
and she just said it saturated, oversaturated? How can it
be oversaturated as seventy five percent of people are dropping
out of all the time. If the industry is constantly
at people bringing in and then they're dropping out, doesn't
that mean that seventy five percent of new people can
ea be influenced and recruited by somebody who actually knows

(44:31):
what they're doing, retrained, see it from a different angle.
Those spots are opened up, it creates more people. You're
just automatically thinking those people are going to come in,
never going to do it again. You have no idea
how many people do it, have a horrible experience, believe
in the system, want to try it again, and they
go back into it. So again, it's not saturated. According
to your own words.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
The whole people just aren't working hard enough is such bullshit.
There are people who work so so so hard. Subject
to multiple people who we're on Jesse Lee's team, who
we're in her down line, are losing money, are making
less than twenty thousand a year, and they're working their
ass off.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
I've seen what are they spending? And you're talking about
Aaron Bis or Aaron Bes, whatever her name is, one
hundred percent, what did she spend? What does she spend
in marketing tools? Is that a write off?

Speaker 5 (45:19):
Now?

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Because Aaron was smart enough to structure her business a
certain way for tax purposes, she's only making twenty grand
a year. What in relation to hours is that that
she's working? You never talk about that, You never talk
about that at all. And what is she spending? If
she's spending fifty dollars a month to make twenty grand
a year, and then you deduct that from that, it's

(45:41):
she's not losing money if she's working. If I have to,
if I have to recruit somebody, Am I losing money?
Where if I make and you're gonna break it down hourly, Right,
if I make one hundred dollars commission off of a sale,
but you know I had to spend ten hours to
to sell somebody to do it, you might think that

(46:03):
high lost money based on the hourly breakdown, Well, you're
only making X amount of dollars an hour. That's subjective
to me. Maybe it was worth it. It's all put
on the value of worth. That's what no one talks about.
They don't talk about the worth of the end result
of the people who left or the people who stayed.
It's all subjective in the eyes of the person who

(46:24):
only did network marketing for three days and now claims
they're smoking Eric Warrey in this debate in what they do.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
They work their ass off and they're making less than
twenty thousand a year. I don't know why it's significantly
less than twenty k a year. Is because they're out
of pocket costs. It's so fucking expensive. So yeah, but
you want to say those people.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Are so you're telling me Aaron was paying was spending
twenty one thousand dollars a year to make twenty thousand
dollars a year. Then wouldn't that be a case of Oh,
I just don't need to spend that much money. Now,
Now here's what a lot of people don't know. And
I've done a video on this. Here's the lot. And
Aaron actually exposed herself on an interview she did with

(47:03):
Always Marco. She said it, it's on his video and
I put it up online. Aaron talks about she was
directly on her Jesse Lee Ward. Aaron had opened up
two different lines on her team, which apparently is a
violation of integrity and the company can't do it. And
she was spending two lines of products hers and then
some fake representative to pad her stats as numbers. But

(47:28):
you won't admit that, will you, Aaron did. It's on
my YouTube channel and it's on Marco's YouTube channel out
of Aaron's own mouth. So if Aaron spend twenty thousand
dollars twenty one thousand dollars to make only twenty and
she lost money, then that means she only technically had
to spend ten thousand dollars according to the math on
that right, Because she admitted that she opened up dual line,

(47:50):
her words were multiple lines. So I don't know if
it was just one. So get the facts right again.
You lost this point. We have a lot of ground
to cover here.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Aren't working hard enough?

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (48:01):
And I love that you have the audacity to say
that these are business owners because none of you own anything.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
You are not a CEO.

Speaker 6 (48:11):
You don't make a business decision, you don't make product decisions,
you don't make nothing.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
You know what.

Speaker 6 (48:16):
You get paid whatever they feel like paying you. So
I've had enough of this. They just lie, lie, lie.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
They're in a cult, so that it's.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
A cult for sure.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Sure, they don't try to answer the question. Okay, don't
try to answer. Say here's the thing. Let's talk about
what you own and what you don't.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
Let's I would love to hear y'all. I'd love for this.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, I can't wait. If you start a uh a
dry cleaning business? What do you own?

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Okay? So the question or statement rather was they aren't
business owners, they don't own anything. And now he's about
to go into this just this great, this great monologue
about owning a dry cleaning business.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
So he says, you, I'll let her talk. You're a salesperson.
Just get that through your head. You are a sales
representative for the company you work for. End of story.
Eliminate this part of the frustration that you're going to
have because you're going to be arguing with people who
just don't think that you're good enough to qualify yourself
as a business owner in their eyes. I've covered it already.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
You own a dry cleaning business. What do you own?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
I own all of it I own. Do you own
the building? Do you own the employees, the machines. You
might own the machines, but you probably are indebted to
those machines. You probably had to finance those machines. You
probably had to finance the mortgage. You probably had to
take care of all these different employees. What do you

(49:41):
really own? Maybe the name of that dry cleaning service,
you might own that, but the rest of it. For
most business owners, the business owns them. Here what you have,
here's what you don't have. In a network marketing business.
You don't have to deal with products, warehouses, accounting, regulatory issues,

(50:05):
bricks and mortar, employees, HR issues, all of those things.
You don't have to own any of that. All you
get to do is sell products using word of mouth advertising,
recruit a team of people doing the same thing.

Speaker 6 (50:23):
So glad you brought up recruiting.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
We'll get there. Oh yeah, recruiting.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Let's talk about recruit Jesus Christ. Okay, so all right.
So his answer, rather his points to this statement or
question of, or rather the arguments they aren't business owners,
which they aren't. I feel like jesse Lee's been, you know,
watching my videos. Looks like she's maybe retained some information.

(50:46):
They own nothing. And he said, well, would dry cleaning business,
what do you own? You don't own the building, what
about the machines? What about the name of the company.
I mean typically, yeah, if you have a brick and mortar,
you know, a store, you're not going to own the building.
Usually you're gonna lease it. That would kind of be
dumb of you don't own to own the building, but
that's okay. And he said, you're probably in debt because

(51:09):
of the machines. Well, yeah, I mean at first, okay,
that's understandable. Do you own the employees, know Eric, that
would be slavery? The fuck No, you don't own the employees,
just like in network marketing, you don't own your downline. Dumbass.
And then he goes into this tangent rather not a tangent.
He goes into the point of when network marketing, you

(51:29):
don't have to worry about all that. You don't have
to worry about brick and mortar. You don't have to
worry about accounting.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah you do.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
You still have to worry about accounting because that's reported income.
So yeah, buddy, you have to worry about accounting.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
You don't have to worry Yeah, Chelsea, those are your
personal taxes. At the end of the year. All the
transactions are done when I place an order for the
company I'm with, they're the ones who take the credit
card information, process it, and deal with their inventory on
their end. Again, she's just stretching this out to demean
that's all this is. This is demeaning the personal status

(52:02):
somebody has. If I want to say, I'm a business
owner and you don't great, awesome, Hey, have a great
damn day. This is one of these things. Don't get
involved with these people who are arguing at this point, Hey,
I own a I'm a personal franchise owner with that's
our company. Blah blah. No you're not awesome. I appreciate that.
I have a great day. Man, talk to you later on,
that's that's all you do.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Worry about products, Yes you do. You should have product
knowledge and you're selling a product, you should know what
you're doing.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Again, Chelsea, he didn't say not worry about product knowlogy.
He talks about shipping, shipping, storing, return process. That's what
he's talking about. Again. Just continue, please continue.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
You're selling and with the person you're answering with, jesse Lee. Yes,
she has you by trials. So yes, you have to
worry about products, new launches, things like that. You don't
have to worry about HR if you have a downline
or an organization. If you have a downline, I mean
you kind of do have to like keep the piece
a bit. So yeah, you kind of do have to

(53:02):
worry about like HR.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Also, oh so if you have to worry about HR,
does that mean you have a business. Again, these are
children who it's this is the generation. This is why
I think that actual new people's service instead of just
listening to kids online talk about stuff that they have
no worldly experience on. This is how you change network marketing.
This is a bunch of kids who this is this
is all they do the camera and just putting projections

(53:27):
and conjecture out for stuff that they don't know based
off of a personal opinion. So she just answered her
own question. If you're not a business, well then you
don't need an HR. But WHOA So if if if
having an HR is, well you got to kind of
keep the peace. So that's semantics. Okay, great. Then if
I'm going to keep the peace and that's HR, then
I own a business. It's it's this is why they

(53:48):
won't debate me.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
It's very interesting that he's bringing up a business that
is something that has to be brick and mortar, like,
it has to has to be there, right, it's not
something that can be virtual. And in this day and age,
I mean, it's kind of silly that he's doing that.
And there's a lot of things that you can do
where you can make a fudge ton of money and
yet you don't have to leave your house, for instance

(54:11):
being an influencer. And then there's also which I fucking
do have to worry about accounting. Everyone should worry about accounting,
fucking payroll, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
So it's just interesting that he I love how this
shows their their inability. She has a near two hundred
thousand subscriber channel, and she pays people to edit her
videos and whatnot. I operate five entities Izo Wing Chun
Officer dominic Izzo on YouTube, this channel of the Bowl

(54:42):
of MLM, and God created a woman podcast rantsom Izzo Show,
and all those go out in audio format as well too.
And those are just my content stuff. I think, I
think I even may be missing one. I don't. I
have no no, no employees for payroll. I do everything
on my own. So and not to mention the fact

(55:02):
I do physical I coach wrestling, physical, teach martial arts, physical,
I still do other things physically. So again, you got
to pay roll, okay you then then this is a
it's a clear indication of a younger person's personality why
they can't understand the multitasking entrepreneurial aspect of network marketing
and how dynamic it is. So I mean, this is

(55:22):
it's it does boil down to life experience and ability
to uh uh a critical think when you're going to
form an argument.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
He's talking about something that's like so like so brick
and mortar, and realistically, it's like, boy, what like what
are you talking about when you're like first starting a
business and like you truly are a startup So, like,
how one how many of y'all own like a startup
business that is a brick and mortar that like absolutely
has to be. So anyone that I know that has

(55:52):
a brick and mortar the startup business, like, let's say
three of my favorite ones. So Candlepoor, it's a beautiful concept.
You literally make pick up a sense and that they
can help you too, because sometimes people will pick stup
the smells disgusting together. But then you like you make
your own candles. It's such a cool idea for date night.
It's amazing. One of my mom's best friend's sons, I
call them family. They're like my other siblings. They own

(56:12):
it and they are amazing. They actually just opened up
their second location, so fucking proud of them. It's called
the candlepor in Tampa. If you're in the Tampa Bay area,
give two locations, please go. So when they first started,
it was just them too. They were working every single day,
like every single day, both of them, and it was
just them before they hired employees. Before it became like
more successful to where it made sense to hire employees

(56:35):
and more employees and more employees, like now they have
a full like a full last team. They are amazing.
What's another one? And then Hazelin Dott a great boutique
in Tampa. I had someone say it's boutique, not boutique boutique.
I call it like a gift shop. It's so good.
They have like decor.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
I said I would an editor. I promised her because
I don't want to be hypocrites. So plug this company.
Check them out. I'm all about small American businesses and
promoting others. Enjoy this free advertisement.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Plug.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Whenever I want to get a present for someone, I
go there. It's amazing. Jewelry, fucking pillows, it's great. So
that place is amazing and for one of the person
one of her first employees was me and then I'd
worked there part time, like right when I first started
my YouTube channel, which is funny because I got bored
and needed money. So she now has like two other employees.

(57:22):
And one of my best friends say.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
She yeah, so you continued on building your YouTube channel
while working a part time job instead of quitting YouTube
and saying it was a scam, right or just continuing you.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Won't say it. Clothing boutique in Tampa here in South
Tampa again, sorry in South Tampa. And it's amazing. I
get like almost all like the cute ass clothes y'all
see me wear are from there, mostly all my comfy
clothes or from like Target or Amazon. But it's basically
just her. A lot of times I'll go in there
and work and I literally work for like a discount
or like work for clothes. And then again when I
get bored and like.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
You can't be serious. She works for a discount or
works for clothes. So you're losing money working, right, did you?
I hope to God that you're this far into the
video you see the brilliance of what she just said.
So network marketing people are going there losing money, but

(58:23):
they have to spend money on a product or service
to elevate their upline. She is working for free for
someone at a boutique or whatever she said it was
for discounts or clothing to elevate their business. You can't
make this up. And here's where they will come back. Yeah,
well she's not recruiting, that's all guys. This is their

(58:46):
argument all the time.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Like her son will work sometimes and then her mom
will works sometimes. But like she another, like there's like
one actual like employee other than like the store owner herself.
So it's just funny to me that he's like, you employees,
you have machines, you have all these overhead costs, Like yes, sure,
when you first start a business you are going to
have overhead costs, but if you can't cover those costs
at first, you probably shouldn't have started a business. And

(59:10):
then also you don't have like a shit ton of
employees right off the bat, Like what are you talking about?
It's just so so interesting to me, like these people
like the.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Candle company that couldn't afford to pay you so that
they gave you discounts or clothing instead.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Just wonder points that he's making when these things don't
really don't really correlate, Like, for instance, do.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
You understand why she wouldn't debate me? I mean all
all the only thing they always come back to every
time they lose an argument, they go, well, you got
to recruit, and then everything you just debated, you just
copy and paste and apply underneath your recruit for the
exact same answers, because that's all it is. Since with me,

(59:52):
this is going to be painful. We have a long
way to go. But I promised you I want you
going into this business with your eyes open, knowing these
are the people you're probably going to research and look into,
and you're gonna have You're gonna have doubts and questions
and all this. She's so far countering her own argument.
I don't have to do anything on this. So I

(01:00:15):
want you to strip away the personal side that they
bring to distract you. You're not a business owner. Why
are you worried about that? If that's what you're worried about.
This whole last ten minutes of her conversation has been
on you're not a business owner. Okay, awesome, Great, you're
a salesperson and and so get this out of your head,

(01:00:40):
that this is the direction you have to go to
improve or succeed in network marketing. By trying to I'm
gonna prove to you people that I'm a business owner
who cares. Dude, If you spend the next ten years
and you pull in half a million dollars with network marketing,
are you gonna care that you're a sale I'm a salesperson.
Teach me how to sell, dude. Eh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Yes, I would love to have an editor like full time.
But you know right now they's is part time. I
would love to have an assistant full time. Right now,
she's part time because my business cannot afford that. So
I'm not going to overextend myself and do that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Did you just call your YouTube channel a business? You
own a business? I again, so she just spent how
many minutes shitting all over you? You're not a business owner.
She does commentary, she generates editorial opinion on the works
of others from a chair with lighting while she's putting

(01:01:37):
makeup on, and she owns a business. Please we need
to move on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Two different things. You can't compare being a salesperson when
you don't have a bunch of responsibilities and things you
have to pay for, to being an actual business owner.
It doesn't make sense. It does not compute, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
That's the only way you make money by raycod because
you're not a business owner. You're a kid with a
camera who makes money off of YouTube. Smart genius. Great,
But it's if that's the case, then you got to
you're not.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
Oh he cares about the products, because this is the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
I mean, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
My thing is if you believe in me, right, why
do I have to pay you to coach me if
you believe I'm going to make millions of dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
If I believe in you, yeah, you're not paying me anything.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Okay, So this one's in like two parts because they
keep going onto like recruiting, but it gets worse. A
question or statement rather was, it's all about recruiting. That's
the only way you make money. Why do I have
to pay to join? If you think I'm going to
do so well and make you know so much money?
And he said, if I believe in you, you aren't
paying me anything. If you succeed, I'm benefiting for sure.

(01:02:51):
All I'm doing is connecting you to a company that
can support you if you want to start an entrepreneurial business.
If I believe in you, you aren't paying me anything. Yeah,
So what you're saying, this sign up fee would be
waived if you believe in the person you're recruiting. No,

(01:03:12):
that we've gone through three questions.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Sign up fee pays the company, Chelsea. So I paid
the sign up fee. It got me. They created whatever
an extension is for you? Are you r r L?
It's www dot blah blah blah blah slash dominic Izzo.
They put that together. I paid for them to put
that together. That I have a back office that they
give me access to. I paid for the right to

(01:03:36):
attach my name to their what do you call it,
their marketing products that I can wind up leveraging. I
paid for access to that once a year, less than
one hundred dollars. I didn't pay my upline that, So
she didn't make money off of me with that. So
that's anybody who pays that you're paying access to be

(01:03:56):
you're basically paying to be a representative of the company.
And this she's done videos on this, no com nobody
does you pay for anything else? Yeah, if I'm gonna
sit there and uh we have I'm part of a
of a of a junior program for wrestling, and the
wrestling coach who he gets accolades and he gets you know,

(01:04:17):
status for having his wrestlers win at tournaments, He teaches
the wrestlers all this. The wrestlers still have to pay.
The parents have to pay to enroll their kids in
the tournaments and in the program. But the coach is
gonna make them champions. So isn't the coach's accolades from
them bidding state champions and the medals they win. Isn't
that the payment everybody pays, Chelsea? You have to pay?

(01:04:41):
What do I get? I get? Oh? My content? There
is something else I pay for? Hang on, I'm thinking
about this for a second. There's one program I pay for. Oh,
I paid twenty bucks a month for my what do
you call it? Access to distribute my podcast on Spreaker,
and then that allows me to go to it UND's, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Apple.

(01:05:04):
But I paid twenty But if I have a great
product and in my podcast it's number one in the
financial education of network marketing, and Spreaker makes money off
of the ads you put me, why am I paying?
Because that's how it works. You're paying access to leverage
with somebody else has built for you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Already so far. Have y'all noticed that he doesn't answer
the questions I just don't notice that, or just straight
up lies. It's that is crazy. If you succeed, I'm
benefiting for sure. Yes, if you are in someone's downline
and you are doing well, they are benefiting off of you. Absolutely.
All I'm doing is connecting you to a company that

(01:05:40):
can support you if you start an entrepreneurial business or
if you want to. So let's translate that if you succeed,
I'm benefiting for sure. If you do well, I'm making
money off of you doing well. All I'm doing is
connecting you to a company that blah blah blah. All
I'm doing is recruiting you, and then I make money
off of you. I don't understand the first part, the
first fluff. Really, it's all fluff that he just said.

(01:06:03):
If I believe in you, you aren't paying me anything, sir,
the fuck are you talking?

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
I agree with that. They're both wrong on this, and
I've said this. I'm so tired of that I believe
in you. Crap with network marketing. But she's not being genuine,
she's lying about or she just doesn't know. Now, I'm
not going to accuse her of being a liar. She does.
She spent three days in her network marketing business. She
doesn't understand this. You pay access for what the company
has for Uh, you're you're you are paying an entry fee.

(01:06:28):
It's as simple as that. I don't I don't understand
why this is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Well, like, all right, let's get to part two of
the recruiting aspect.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
So much no.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
Time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
How much is so much? Hundred is a lot, you know,
a couple of hundred is a lot compared to what
get them Jesse. Here's here's the here's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Let me let me you've about all these people that
that guy is funny. You know, we just said get
him Jesse because he didn't know what to say. And
Eric even said that that guy is like the kind
of like the newest of those four. Also, why did
this Why does this other guy have a little laptop
with them? Like, what are you doing? You have to
pay to start. There's a sign up fee. It's so

(01:07:10):
much money. He starts to say, so so, so much
money compared to what.

Speaker 6 (01:07:14):
Who are in their most fragile state spending their last
five hundred dollars to start in your your opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
It's not ours. We're not making no influence.

Speaker 6 (01:07:27):
They have no skills, they have none this stuff, and
you're promising them the world. You're out there saying, oh,
it's you know, it's better, because no, it's just better
because you're making all this money on these sign up fees.
We know we've done the research. I watched the documentaries.
I am educated.

Speaker 5 (01:07:41):
Yeah, I've watched online I went on Google and I
checked your company and it's terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
My grandmother did it, so's she knows everything. So and
I just read that you have a terrible past.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
I shaved your head, I saved your name used to
be worry and you changed it to worry.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
We are that. Yeah, that's true. That's the one I heard.
I mean, why what are you hiding from us? All
you guys are giving me like fourteen questions. They'll start answer,
I will answer, I.

Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
Will interesting, he won't answer any questions.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
This is what they will answer. That's what they all do.
So hold on. I'm going to give you a statement
and then you guys can come together and figure out
which one of those questions you want me to answer next.
I'll answer that and then we'll keep moving. First thing,
first statement is this network marketing isn't perfect. It's got challenges.

(01:08:36):
It has flaws. The biggest flaw is the people involved
in network marketing over hype it. That's the probably talk
too much about how easy it is. When entrepreneurship is hard.
They talk too much about the product sells itself. When
you still have to sell the product. They talk too

(01:08:56):
much about easy. Everybody's getting rich. You know overnight success.
And what I've learned is entrepreneurship is hard. Product doesn't
sell itself. You got to sell the product. This is
one of the most personal and challenging businesses you'll ever
engage in. But it's better. And I would throw back
to any of you, please give me one example of

(01:09:20):
something better than this for a person to be able
to build an entrepreneurial business.

Speaker 6 (01:09:28):
That's not even what it's about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Then I agree with them, mind that, because the opportunity.
There's some people, and granted if their skills or their
methodology is different, and they still if we both got
in the same damn entry fee, and that person was
using some practices that I didn't agree with, right the
the I believe in you, and they got fifty thousand
people to join them. And here I am going, no,

(01:09:51):
let's work on proper sales, proper people's skills, proper service,
don't be friends with people, blah blah blah, all this stuff,
and they're me away in finances. That's that's again, that's subjective.

Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
I just didn't go the route they went to because
I don't agree with it. I don't like it. People
are gonna morals are not standard across the board. If
they were my God, you would have religious wars all
over the place until some people were dead and some
people were still alive. But we all operate in the
same opportunities on here. So when it comes on opportunity, No,

(01:10:26):
I didn't need a college education for this. I'm a
community college dropout two months two months in nineteen ninety
the summer of night, going into the summer into the
fall of ninety three. By ninety four I was out.
I dude, I graduated high school by the skin of
my teeth. I had a one point six GPA the
beginning of my senior year, graduated of the three to four.

(01:10:50):
It's like, holy crap, man, I'm not that very intelligent
when it comes to this math. I need a calculator.
But the opportunity is there, and if I'm a great salesman,
I will make the money. So again, it's subjective, but
there's some of this stuff that I agree with them on,
just the the methodology. I just don't like.

Speaker 6 (01:11:08):
Okay, you are doing what they all do and you're
missing the point qu at least if you're starting in
a business, you know, a real business, then you know
that you could be risking it, like that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Really, before you go any farther, what's a real business?
Anything I should?

Speaker 6 (01:11:27):
I could start my own sewing company.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Tomorrow you can find. Just to let you know how
I answer this, I actually did an entire presentation on
what I went through when I owned my gym. I
owned a twenty seven hundred square foot JIM in Shamberg, Illinois,
northwest suburb of Chicago, from twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen,
and I give the whole presentation and the analogy and
the relatability to network marketing in that if you just

(01:11:51):
look up my network marketing presentation on this channel, I
will tell you the the pros and cons of physical
brick and mortar businesses versus network marketing.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
Have you closed company?

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Have you started your own sewing company? No, because I have.

Speaker 6 (01:12:06):
I have a legitimate job, unlike you stammers.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Yes, so you have a job.

Speaker 6 (01:12:10):
I have an honorable job with a with benefits, with
insurance which is benefits. I have a retirement plan.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Unlike you.

Speaker 6 (01:12:20):
You know, I do honorable work every day.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
I totally get that. And let me just tell you this.
I decided not to work for somebody else. And I'll
tell you why. I was tired of selling myself And you're.

Speaker 6 (01:12:31):
Working for somebody else, you're not a CEO.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
I get it, Okay, I get it. But I decided
not to work for somebody else because I was tired
of selling myself at ten percent of my value. The
reason why they were putting me on a salaries because
they could, they could buy me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
And I'll I didn't promise to not edit him out.
He's he's selling it right now. What Eric is doing,
he's selling you on the business. So these are just
tactics I don't agree with.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Just a little bit. They asked him these good questions
about you know, paying to start and then also putting
in all the time and money for the opportunity you're
promising the world and you make money off the sign
up fees, And then he said, people in network marketing
overhype everything, and it's hard. It is hard. Doing anything
is hard. Making a lot of money is hard. But

(01:13:19):
it's just weird that he's that he's contradicting himself. Like
he said before, these people are CEOs, they're this, they're that,
but you're not. They're not CEOs. They're not bored of
the whatever, and he says.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
I'm we're going to die on this hill again. So far,
you know, hour and sixteen minute video. She's twenty six
minutes into. The majority of this has been on the
semantics of somebody calling themselves a CEO. You're you're a
fucking salesperson. Get over it, move on. This topic has
to go.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
I decided to not work for anyone else. You do
work for someone else. You're a contracted salesperson in network marketing.
Now he's not. Now he does own his own company.
But if you are in an MLM, you are a
contracted salesperson for the company. You don't work for yourself.
Being self employed is different than working for yourself. Nothing

(01:14:10):
is better than network marketing because you're able to like,
you have the freedom you work for yourself, you know,
in a nine to five, or when you work for
someone else, they're able to buy you cheap and sell
you off. Sir again, that slavery. What are you talking about?
And she said, oh, I have benefits. I have this,
I have that, I have this, I have that. This

(01:14:32):
doesn't you're not answering the questions and you're not talking
about the you're avoiding the key points here.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Guess what you get paid in network rate?

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Yeah, both of you guys are arguing over the semantics
of a title and none of what you're talking about.
If a person thinks of themselves as a CEO of
a network marketing company versus an employee of a network
marketing company, neither one of those self proclaimed titles makes
your or breaks the business. Neither one of them does.

(01:15:02):
It will still be a product needs to be sold.
End of story. So I don't know why we're spending
so much time on the terminology and the mindset of
this and then saying it's a scam. Literally neither side.
If you if you think of yourself as a CEO
and that elevates your pride in it and you sell more,

(01:15:23):
maybe that's a personal accomplishment. If you think, like me,
I'm an employee and that's gonna structure me more and
I sell more, that's that's that's an accomplishment based on
my self value of a title. I But it doesn't
change the business. Product is still being sold. So again,
remember this is she destroys the MLM scam. Uh guru,
if you're gonna be debating him on his his his viewpoints. Okay,

(01:15:48):
then both of you win, both of you lose. But
if you're gonna do you're gonna debate the business being
legitimate or not. You're failing miserably. You failed since the
beginning of your bait.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
That.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Guess how you get paid in that network marketing. Tell
me you get paid to the penny based upon the
value you bring to the company. Oh yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Get paid off of the established commission from the products
you sell. Don't don't go this route, Eric, don't do this.
You got a product that's worth one hundred dollars. The
company deems on it. Company says they're going to give
you x amount of dollars for every time you sell it.
That's what you get paid. There you go. If it
takes you ten hours to sell it and you're good

(01:16:34):
with making a dollar an hour, okay, great. If it
takes you five minutes to sell it and you're good
with you know, oh I blinked, I made money. Great.
It's all subjective on what you have. But but you
get paid. That's hardwired, that's set in stone.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
You're let me explain to the penny, And here's why
the only way people get paid in network marketing is
if they sell products within their organization, those products go
into a computer.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Did you hear that the only way people in network
marketing make money is by selling products. By selling products
within their organization. Sounds like a pyramid scheme to me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Col All right, I'll explain this. And this actually is
in the book Business of the Twenty first Century by
Robert Kiyosaki, and it is a fantastic, fantastic business model.
It's incredible. If I just sell product out there and
I do not recruit anybody in an MLM or into

(01:17:42):
my business, I make X amount of hours and it's
a good living. It's great. The money, the real money
they talk about, comes in to where I recruit somebody
and I and they purchase the product, and they duplicate that,
duplicate that, duplicate that. It is simply I want to build.
I want to keep people on the product. We're an

(01:18:04):
autoship basis. Most network marketing companies are so outside of
you trying to sit there. It's like it would be
great if car salesman could be like, hey, listen, I'm
going to put you on autoship every five years. You're
gonna automatically up and you're going to buy a new car.
I'm sure car sales may be like, holy crap, that's fantastic.
I don't have to do any work. This is amazing.
But instead now they got to contact their old leads

(01:18:25):
and hey, you bought a car from me five years ago.
Hope you're doing well. Here's a flyer all that stuff.
When I come in and I want to look at
if I establish my business as an LLC and I
leverage the tax laws and I can write off my
cell phone bill, the lighting, the office space out of
my room if I do all that, and this is

(01:18:46):
the business mindset that I do talk to people about
when they're serious about this business. So every month I
wind up paying that overhead. Now we change it from
product to terminology of overhead. That overhead is my you know,
it's my two hundred dollars a month in products and
then the cell phone bill and the lighting bill and
all that subb but it's tax right off at the

(01:19:06):
end of the year to get those tax benefits because
I'm a business owner. That's how we look at that
within products. So you are actually and I love that.
I love this. This is what changed the mindset of
network marketing for me where I couldn't figure out what
I was doing to Seeing Robert Kyosaki's mindset, I went, oh,
my god, if I have one hundred people underneath me
and all of them are are purchasing their own product

(01:19:29):
every month, well, yes, every single one of them. Now
I'm gonna get their points and the percentage off of it.
I'm gonna make money off of all of them, all
of them every month. It's I have one hundred business
owners underneath me, all leveraging the same thing. The problem
is is it does get diluted the further you go
down that pyramid. So if I recruit one hundred people

(01:19:53):
and I've got ten people down at the lowest level
and I'm not helping them work, and the upline for
them isn't helping them work in this that eventually they're
going to drop out, than the next layer, then the
next layer, then the next layer. It collapses in on itself.
So the mindset is, yes, you are selling, you are
keeping people on that autoship. It's repeat customers. Again. I

(01:20:15):
don't know why this is such a problem. You are
keeping people on a product who are already on the
product and some of them you're bringing in to say,
do the business with me, leverage the tax laws, make
some money doing it, show the incentives, present value to them.
If they see it, great, If they don't, they're not
going to. But if you don't work, this is why
it's exhausting. It's a lot of mother f and work.

(01:20:38):
If you don't work all the way for the people
at the bottom, eventually your pyramid is going to self implode.
So I know the route she's going in this. When
you start looking at it that it's like, oh my god,
it is a brilliant business model. You're retaining. You are
giving people as a repeat business, a re repeat customer.

(01:20:59):
You're giving them, I'm an incentive to stay in. Hey,
you could make this. This is the ultimate way. This
is the bare minimum. At the bare minimum. If you're
spending two hundred dollars a month in product, if I
brought you in to recruit, and I recruited you, we
would set up I would sell so you would have
X amount of customers. Let's just say you had five.
If you had five customers every month, that would cover

(01:21:20):
the cost of your product. So now you get caught
a product for free and then you could leverage tax
laws for writing off your cell phone bill, a room
in your home, that's your office, your election, what all
you spend your overhead. So if somebody can get their
product for free and they leverage a tax right off, great.
The problem is is once you do that, you need
to start offering it for everybody else. It is a

(01:21:41):
never ending, a never ending process of keeping people in
that in that position of seeing the value of Oh,
I could get the product for free, and I could
I could leverage the tax laws. Problem is is, yeah,
ninety percent of the people are They're not going to
care if they lose money. They're not gonna care. If
they spend on the product, They're not gonna care if

(01:22:02):
it's on autoship. Hey, this stuff is stock it up
on on my fridge. I got ten boxs of this.
Can you take me off autoship? It's so the theory,
the theory of what she's about to claim is a
scam is brilliant. It's brilliant. Give you one example. If
you own a gym. How many of you people own

(01:22:22):
a gym? You pay a monthly membership every month and
you don't go, You're gonna call the gym owner a scam.
You didn't get them the results they want. They didn't
lose ten pounds, they didn't build muscle, they didn't get
in a bodybuilding stage you become an IBB pro. But
instead they paid fifty sixty seventy five bucks a month
for the entire year. They were only there two months
in a row. That's it. You're a scam. I don't care.

(01:22:45):
I'm collecting their dues every month. Same concept.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Guys calculates how much commissions a person is entitled to
receive based upon their compensation plan, and commissions are paid.
The only way you get paid is if products are
sold in a network parking company. Period. No, I can't
sign sales.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
That's not accurate. That's not accurate at all, because you
could not have a retail any retail sales meaning from
outside of the organization. Signing someone up they do like
recruiting someone. Typically, you're doing it right. They are buying
a starter kit. So yes, you are selling a product.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Yeah, you're selling a product. A product has sold you
a commission off of it. Here, I wish to god
it could pass your shovel chelse.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
You keep digging product in that sense, Typically with every MLM,
you are paid a bonus for each person you sign up.
There's a sign up bonus.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Based off of the package they bring in, the points
they accumulate, anything along the lines of that. So you're
giving So the company is giving you an incentive for
bringing someone in. What is the problem? A product still
needs to be sold. Correct. So a company I was

(01:24:12):
with for a while, I always sold I was called
the pro pack, I can't remember what it was called
before then, and people would have to spend fifteen hundred
dollars to get all the product there, and I would
get a two hundred dollars bonus for the people who
came out on the pro pack. The commission was like
fifty bucks. That's it. So if I just sold the

(01:24:34):
fifty dollars like spent, I'm going to talk you in
to spend fifteen hundred bucks. I'm fifty bucks. No, I
want the bonus. I don't care what the company's paying me.
They're paying me. Products still got pushed out the door.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
I don't understand what your argument is here.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
Yes, it's you can't rank up without recruiting people. So no, sir,
you are wrong. You are wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Okay, he didn't say you could. I am I CA company.
I cannot rank up unless I get six people at
a certain type of status, and that's very difficult to do.
They all have to have my work ethic and they don't.
Or I could do what I have been doing for
the last couple of years and just selling the products.

(01:25:17):
I'm still making money. I haven't ranked up. I've hit
a very high rank in the company that I'm with. Uh,
if I want to keep going, I got a lot
more work to do with recruiting. But I've changed my
tactics right now and just focus on selling. Your argument again,
you keep thinking you got these gotchas you don't, Chelsea.

Speaker 5 (01:25:37):
So and I don't want to bother my friends and
my family in selling them stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
And I feel like if I work on let me
do one at a time. Okay, go ahead. If you
can't sell, then you should go do something else. Yeah,
that's because that's what we do here. We sell. That's
what we do. And guess what every business owner does
in the world. They promote theirs, their business, their brand,

(01:26:01):
They promote everything. And guess what promotion is. Guess what
promotion is selling? That's all it is it's wrapped in
a fancy wrapper, but it's selling. So what was your point? Well,
I forgot But at the end of the day, the
thing is this.

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
If I'm going to be putting my hours in to
promote a product, even if I don't sell the product, Eric,
I should still be compensated.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Yeah, here's this is this is the language.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
No, it's one hundred percent sales. It's one hundred you
know this going in it's one one hundred percent sales commission.
Keep that in mind. You don't sell, you don't get paid.
Why is this entitlement? Well, I don't work for the
company that they're going to give me a stipend, and
I think some might. I really don't know how that works.
But no, if you don't sell, you do not get paid.
Why should the company pay you?

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Which of somebody who's been trained to be an employee
since they were born to do a job for somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Let me give this for an example too, And again
I'll be transparent as all hell. I have not sold
a product for the company I've been with. I haven't
been active and so focused on building my police content
and other content down there that I put my network
marketing business on hold. It's been several months, several months

(01:27:18):
since I have been active in it or sold anything.
I get a paycheck that I profit off of. Remember
I buy product every month from the company. That product
is covered and I have I have a profit from
that every single month without doing anything. So I mean

(01:27:38):
to me, the value is there the work I did. Now,
granted it doesn't stay at a level. It drops and
I'm like, okay, I'm not complied with that threshold. Let's
kind of jack it up a little bit. But it
the the work when you put in, the results from
the work that you put in that because I don't
want to be all you said, the work you put
in benefits. Now the results do the results you get

(01:28:01):
from the work that you put in, they are a
tremendous value, I think I feel from network.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Marketing, yes to build their dream. Let me tell you
how it works. In an employment, you trade time for dollars,
usually time. Sometimes performance on top of time you still trade.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Usually you give a week you give, you still trade
time for dollars. In network marketing, you do. I don't
care who says what we talked about. That was a
big selling point, you know, it's like, no, you're still working, dude,
You're still working NonStop and it's going to cost you something.
So don't think that you're you're you're not. You're not
getting away for free in network marketing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
As a job. But it'll be what you considered. Here's
what they tried to convince you. He's gonna go to
be that, it's going to be consistent, that this is
for life. And guess what everybody has to realize. Jobs
are not stable in this economy or any of thecont
me They're just not stable. Here's what entrepreneurs have to

(01:29:03):
accept if they want to be successful, any entrepreneur, you're
going to be underpaid for a significant period of time.
That's the tradeoff. You're going to be fairly paid for
a short period of time. And then guess what if
you get through phase one and phase two, then you
can be overpaid on the other side of the equation.

(01:29:23):
But you can't just go straight.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
And I just said that, and I just have the
way that I set up my business and the work
I put in for the first you know, X amount
of months and years of it, it paid off that
it covered me for several months after that until I
decided to get involved again.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
I want to be fairly paid from day one. That's
an employee. You want to be an employee, that's up
to you. That's your choice. I'm not judging that. But
if you want to be an entrepreneur, you have to
be willing to accept this bargain. Underpaid and overworked for
a significant period of time, fairly for a short period
of time, then overpaid.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
Here's an honest about you speaking first and foremost. I'm
pretty sure the.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
First and foremost. There's no guarantee with what he just said.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
There isn't an audience. So the clapping and the laughing
and all that is just a soundboard, which is hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Okay, Chelsea, you just stick to the points of the debates,
don't get personal.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
And we know you hate it, like absolutely hilarious. You
know what I'm gonna just I'm gonna start. I'm gonna
make my own soundboard, which I basically already have, and
I'm just going to add in the laughs and the
crying and the boohoos and the claps, and we're gonna
have all all of it. Y'all are going to be
laughing so hard at me. It's going to be so good. Anyways,

(01:30:37):
So the question that the guy asked or the statement said,
I should be paid for promoting even if I don't
sell a product. What Eric Worry said was a whole
bunch of nonsense. And actually, I mean, I mean I
did agree with him on a few things. What he
said about entrepreneurship, how you are going to be like, basically,
for a side hustle, it's going to stay aside hustle,
be paid hardly at all about it, going to be

(01:31:00):
making hardly any money with it at first until and
if you are able to build it up and build
it up and build it up, and then you know,
like you said, be uberpaid, which is great, love that
for you. Also don't like that he said it unemployment
You trade time for money. Yeah, that's also guaranteed, though, buddy.
And then also I said, jobs aren't stable, not in
this economy, not any economy. There are a good amount

(01:31:22):
of jobs that are very very stable. Actually, and I
know we're living in.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
You know, no government employee, police officer. Go ahead, buy
my book Before the Badge, Everything you need to know
before you become a cop. You think even that job
is a stable job, try again, the algorithm one day
could start censoring your videos and you all of a
sudden can't produce five hundred videos on a normal video
that got because it changed. There's nothing stable in anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
You know, like the matrix right now, and anything goes
and nothing goes and it's a different time right now.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
I get that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
So this is kind of the exception. But that's why
I'm so happy that Tony has My husband has a
very stable to where I'm able to do this full time,
and thank God for him. Right I have a lot
of people in my life that they have very very
stable jobs and thank god we're able to keep their
jobs throughout this crazy global panini that we've been going through,
this PANDEMI Lomado. So, I don't know. I just think

(01:32:16):
it's dumb that he just said that jobs aren't stable.
When people say stable, you typically are referring to the
pay and the fact that you're like, you know, not
just gonna get fired for no reason. And sure your
employer can surely fire you for no reason. However, with
an MLM, like you cannot make any money. You can
show up and not make money. However, this is how
it's promoted, you know how many mon eight girls say

(01:32:39):
that they get paid to post online. Nah, bitch, that's
what I do. They see.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
I agree. No, you don't get paid to post online.
You put up videos, and if those videos don't reach
a certain threshold, you don't get paid. And you could
have two hundred thousand followers on your social media YouTube
channel and you might only be making one hundred hours
two hundred dollars a month. So no, there's not that
somebody coming from somebody who's got three paid YouTube channels.

(01:33:04):
I know what I'm talking about in this aspect of it. No,
this is again she's towing the line for making a
good argument. Then she buries herself that they get paid.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
To promote product. Now that's what I do. You're a salesperson.
If you're not making a sale, you're not making money.
If you're not recruiting someone, you're not making money.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
So you get paid to promote product, Like does you
have Revlin or I don't know what when you put
your lipstick on, do they pay you to promote? Because
last time I checked, most advertisers they do affiliate marketing,
which I don't do. On my live podcast, I have
people pay me. I'm not doing affiliate marketing. I'm not
going to have use the promo code izz Oh yeah,

(01:33:42):
I get paid only if someone buys and I have
track record of them putting my name as a code
into their computer. Nope, this is what you're gonna pay.
I'll give you a six sixty second live read three
times a week, twice a week, five days a week,
whatever you want. I'm paying regardless of that, whether or
not you make money. So I make money on line,
I don't think you do. You do affiliate marketing where

(01:34:03):
you only get paid if a transaction has been made,
like selling your network marketing.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
With what the guy just said, I should be paid
for promoting the product even if I don't sell the product.
My response to that would have been, that's not your job.
And also none of us would have ever said that,
because that's not your job. You're not in marketing, you're
in sales. Your job is to sell the product. Why
would you get paid if you don't sell the products.
It's very interesting that there now they're bringing up points

(01:34:32):
that like we would never bring up, or at least
flinging all over it that I would never bring it.
It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Okay, I I was once in a cult, not in
a cult.

Speaker 6 (01:34:45):
Network marketing does a network marketing cult?

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
You're in a cult. We'll get there in a minute.

Speaker 6 (01:34:49):
What I would like to talk about is how I
was in the top point three eight percent. I have
thirteen years experience. I was a leader. And here's the
reason why I quit is when I realized it was
such a cult. Was when I realized how much I
was hurting people, which is what you're doing. I had
a whole team of people, and all of them were broke,
and all of them were trying, and all of them
were leaving their innocent families to get on zooms all

(01:35:12):
the time to spend time with people like you. And
I was screaming and shouting on my video and following
every single thing that my upline told me to do.
I basically became an exact duplicate of her, because it's
a cult. Yes, dressed like her, walked like her, talked
like her, cut my hair like her, dyed my hair
like her, all of these things to sacrifice to hurt

(01:35:36):
hundreds of people in my team who made no money.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
So how do you explain that? Tell me how the
person was.

Speaker 6 (01:35:41):
Hurt because they made no money? Or they did not
make a livable wages. Are not livable wages. You can't
live off fifty dollars a month.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
How did they How were they hurt?

Speaker 6 (01:35:51):
Though they cannot live off of that. These people are
leaving their jobs. These people are sacrificing their family, their
dinner time. They're not they don't have friendships anymore. You know,
they're harassing all these people because they're following They were
following the lead that I was getting from people like
you that of these big one percenters.

Speaker 1 (01:36:10):
Well, here's what I would tell you. First of all,
Number one, everyone's paid fairly inside of this organization, every
single person. It's impossible for them to be unfairly paid
based upon the sales that they bring. You and the
organization is still build and for you. It's impossible for
somebody not to be fairly paid.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
We get paid. And if you can't sell, you're in
the wrong profession. Learn how to sell.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
When you think about failure, the average person in the
United States, it starts a small business, spends fifty five
thousand dollars to start a small pay.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
I told you I wouldn't jump in.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
Where do they get that money?

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
I won't pass by his answers, but I will get
to hers. Do I want to hear what she has to.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
Say, being you know, having a lot of dead end jobs.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
Didn't get to the point. And also she didn't either.
It's funny that she just said basically every point that
not only I have made about her, but that other
people not every point, but many points that I've made
about her, and that other people have as well, about
how people dress like her, people in her downline, they
just duplicate her. They dress like her, talk like her,
posts like her, have colored hair, extensions like her, move

(01:37:17):
their families across the country to be closer to her,
which is like, why, what that's so weird? Well, they're hurting,
And he said how are they hurt? And she said, well,
they're broke. No, girl, that's not the only reason they're hurting.
She kind of went into it when she said they
lost their friends, they lost their family. That's really all
she said. And I think it's very interesting that clearly,

(01:37:37):
in my opinion at the least, like she can't even
fathom how she is actually hurting.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
The anti MLM community is obsessed with jesse Lee Ward,
even her death. And I'm going to say this there was,
and I'll defend her, but this is subjective to the debate.
There was never a woman who actually gave everyone. I
used to brag, I've got jesse Lee Ward's cell phone number.
I've still got our text message saying back and forth.
Thousands of people do, thousands of people do? Was nothing special.

(01:38:03):
That woman gave her time and attention to everybody who
asked for it and proved that they were worthy of it.
She wasn't. She's not going to give you stuff for
free unless you actually pay it forward. Help others show
that your value to being better part of life if
you will. She didn't hurt anybody. I've got text messages

(01:38:25):
that I was privy to from other people who speak
so badly about her. Their YouTube channel is obsessed with her.
I think Chelsea, Julie, Joe Marco, Aaron B's They've got
more videos of Jesse Lee Ward than anyone. You'll never

(01:38:46):
see Jesse Lee Ward talking about any of them. Never.
She never bad mouthed them, and she had every reason to.
She could assued them into oblivion all the time, tie
them up with frivolous lawsuits. She never did. I do
have text messages that I saw that I was sent
that the one woman who bad mouths her so badly

(01:39:06):
was constantly talking to jesse Lee Ward about her family,
meaning that this woman's family and she wants to save
her marriage and she wants to do this and she
wants to do that and she can't stand her team,
and all jesse Lee Ward was let's do this together.
I believe in you and I love you, and we're
gonna do this together, and let's have let's have lunch.
Jesse was pouring jesse Lee excuse me, was pouring into

(01:39:27):
this woman NonStop. So I take it personally. Every time
they try to destroy the business, all they do is
go and go look Jessica Hickson, Julie, Joe, Savannah, I
can't remember what savannahs dons, CC Suarez always, Marco, Aaron Bees,

(01:39:48):
the list goes on with anti MLM ers. They take
so much of jesse Lee Ward's content and all they
do is personally attack her with a subjective comments they
don't know the truth on because they were never involved
with her. One was so when it comes to this
and what she's saying, this is ignorant, this is foolish,

(01:40:09):
and this is where we're at with network marketing and
society in general, children mocking other people and projecting what
they're doing onto someone else. So Jesse Lee Ward never
helped anybody. And if anybody ever knows in life, when
you help people and all of a sudden they feel
guilty and they screw up and they leave and they
just shit all over you, it's projection, that's all that is.
So Chelsea is obsessed just like everyone else is with

(01:40:32):
the Jesse Lee Ward and they will never they will
never tell the truth about her.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
People below her. I mean the fact that she makes
six million a year just from network marketing and she
doesn't have any million dollar earners below her.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
That is whack.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
Yeah, it's because no one could duplicate what she could duplicate.
How is that a problem? I don't. I just don't say.
I am one of the number one martial artists in
wing chun in the world, been doing it since ninety six.
I don't have a world renowned student underneath me. I

(01:41:10):
can give them all the knowledge on the planet. If
they can't process it, assimilate it, put it into action
and make it work the way I can. Sorry, that's
not my problem. I don't know why we think that
just because someone can that through osmosis of being around them,
they're going to be able to have the exact same capacity,

(01:41:31):
skill set, and ability as somebody who's in the top
percentage of their craft.

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
That's insane. Now she said it's a cult, Well why
then he didn't talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
Out of all Let me put it this way. Out
of all the commenters on Chelsea's channel, you have thousands
and thousands of commenters. You've got over nearly two hundred
thousand subscribers your channel. How come nobody who follows your
stuff all day long has duplicated your success? When you
put out hundreds of videos, You've got probably thousand plus
videos you've gotten, You've laid the groundwork people could. All

(01:42:04):
they have to do is duplicate and uh and replicate
it right, imitate and then innovate. Why don't you have
anybody who's followed you at your status? Stop thinking that
every human being is the same copy and paste about that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
He didn't say it's not a cult. He didn't address
the fact that people are hurting everything, that they're taken
away from their families, that they're isolated from their families,
that network marketing destroys, marriages and friendships subjective.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
You have no proof that any of it does, just
those times it's he said, she said in all the time.
This again does not prove that the industry is a scam.
But I'm still waiting for you to prove it is.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
He didn't talk about that at all. He just said
talked about money, saying it's impossible to be unpairly fake,
unpairly fade, Oh my god, it's impossible to be unfairly
paid in an MLM. Here's the thing it is. In
order to sell a product, you do have to promote it, Okay,
typically right, Obviously people got to know what it is
so they can buy it. You got to know about
your product if you want to sell it. Now, you're

(01:42:59):
not being paid to promote the product that you're being
paid to sell it and to recruit people. Now, that
can take a lot of time, a lot of time,
but a lot of times with commission based sales jobs,
which that's what an MLM is like, real commission based
sales jobs that are promoted and you know that are

(01:43:19):
displayed as that. With that, a lot of times you'll
have a draw or you'll be paid a better amount
per sale, your pay structure is a lot better, it's
more liveable. I mean, I've made a lot of money
in sales. It's just fascinating to me that they don't
understand that it's not about sales. It's about I mean,
they get it, but they're not going to admit that

(01:43:41):
that it's about recruitment.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
And unless you could tell body language two that every
time she drops her eyes on something and she looks down,
she doesn't know what she saw. She can't back up
what she's talking about. So she does. She didn't make
a lot of money in sales. She doesn't have the
correlation of X, Y and z. You get paid better.
This company doesn't. She does. This is where she's all
making up the content to prove her argument, and it's
by blind faith that her listeners and viewers think that

(01:44:04):
she knows what she's talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
So you're recruiting people, you are not going to make
that livable wage and you're not going to be able
to make that amount of money that they promote and
that they talk about that is going to allow you
to have that time freedom and that freedom in general.
And oh my god, this luxury lifestyle you're not going
to have that without recruiting people. You're not going to
have that by just selling retail, not selling to your downline.

(01:44:27):
Like he said, selling retail products typically takes fifty thousand
dollars to start a business, not necessarily especially these days, however,
Yeah it does. There's a lot, a lot of out
pocket expenses, and yes, a lot of businesses fail. I
wouldn't say that fifty percent of the businesses that have,
you know, fifty thousand dollars like able to be used

(01:44:50):
on startup costs fail, but yeah, fifty percent of people, whosh,
I could believe this, you know, register a business and
actually start and create a business entity. A lot of
times don't even get started or just fail. I worked
at a company called Wedding on hundred accountant. It was
partners with legal Zoom, and so when you set up
your LLC or business sense tea whatever, when you set

(01:45:12):
that up, a free tax consultation was included in that.
And sometimes per the service that you purchased from or
package that you purchased from Legal Zoom, you sometimes would
get like free stuff from winning hundred account and they
would like provide free services for you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
It was great.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
So you know how many times I would call someone
and I would have them tell me about their business
that I could do the free consultation for them and
essentially sell them our services. You know how many times
they would be like, Oh, yeah, no I don't really know.
I just you know, wanted to start it. So what
are you doing? Are you actually starting it? Like a
lot of people just want the LLC and I'm like,
this doesn't make this What what are you doing? Having

(01:45:49):
the paper doesn't mean that you are actually starting a business.
This also opens you up to tax implications and you're dumb?

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
Basically, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Out?

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Is this going back to that you're not a business owner?

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
Stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
Where are you going with all this?

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
So what I'm trying to say, businesses fail before they
even get started because people are readyots and they start
with a couple hundred dollars in network marketing and they
can use the products in their starter packs. Oh my gosh.
Still the majority, the overwhelming majority of people, over seventy
five percent of people or seventy eight whatever lose money

(01:46:27):
and don't make any money in MLMs.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
So how how you didn't You didn't explain how so
that wait a second, So this is what my question is.
So the only way to properly show a loss is
if they're a business, right, because then they're gonna they're
gonna keep records of it on their taxes. I paid
my I paid my light bill, I paid my phone bill,

(01:46:50):
I paid gas, going back and forth, some meetings of
people to pitch them and close them, and all that's documented.
And I'm going to show a loss on my taxes
at the end of the year because I'm a business.
I don't understand other than that a majority is could
you have that information? Because if that was the case,
then you would have seventy five percent of the people
who are in network marketing all with documentable proof the

(01:47:15):
hours they worked, the money they spent, the money they made,
and how it affected their taxes. You have that, you
got a case. I don't think there is that. It's
just seventy five percent of people saying I quit, I
didn't make any money. I quit. You won't see they
documented their hours. This is when they punched in doing

(01:47:35):
it at their desk, this is where they clocked out,
this is where they had a business meeting. You don't
see any of this. So did you just did you
just acknowledge that having a network marketing company means your
business owner if you do network marketing. Did usually nowledge that?
Because how else do you have documentable proof that seventy
five percent of the people out there lost money? Again,

(01:47:57):
you can't prove that.

Speaker 6 (01:47:59):
Why do I have to buy every month? Yeah, he's
overpriced because now you know you say send it back.
I laugh, I send it back. I'm not going to
get my commissions like it's an endless cycle.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
So yes, I do have weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
And I think this is a brilliant business model. If
you're a company owner, it's a gym owner. It's a
Netflix subscription, it's a subscription based business. You want people
constantly purchasing the product or the Netflix service or how
many of you have Apple TV, have Roku, Firestick and

(01:48:32):
all the apps to come out? You got paramount plus.
I think I got like five of them and I
don't watch two of them. Netflix, right, it's a scam
because I'm spending X amount of dollars a month. No,
the company, it's a brilliant business model. I just happen
to be the dumb ass spending money every month and
the value of oh, seven, Season two is out. I

(01:48:54):
think I need another subscription. Let me go buy that.

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
Yes, goodbye again. I would defy you to find somebody
who has a garage filled with products. That was true
thirty years ago, seventies and eighties, that was true forty
years ago. That's the Jedi mind trick thing. Members. I'm talking.
It was true. It was true. People were buying lots
and lots of stuff and filling up their garage and

(01:49:21):
then hoping to sell it. Today that model is so gone.
It's like the early days of franchising. People took advantage
of other people, you know, they promised all kinds of things,
and then the pros showed up. Guess what's happened in
network marketing. The pros showed up. Now people get involved
and it's a sweat equity investment. It's not dollars anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
Again, I'm gonna jump ahead to Chelsea's for times sake,
and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna edit what Chelsea says.
CC whatever her name is she goes by. I guess Eric.
She's going to talk about the questions, which are very
common erson of the answer.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
Why do I have to buy every a garage full
of products.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
How he answered it was very strange. He said, that
was years ago. That was years ago. No one does
that anymore. Eric, you've clearly never been to jesse Lee's
house for her apartment or condo whatever. Have you seen
these zoom calls in the amount of products that these
girls women peece?

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
Okay, so one person does it, and that Prouse's the
industry standard. No, it's not Amway did this for years.
Everybody else does this for years. It's not a common
practice anymore. Jesse Lee Ward had a ton of products.
She was also a multi millionaire and could afford to
buy whatever the hell she wanted as often as she wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
People whoever have behind them. It's so many, it's so
it's ridiculous. I don't care if it's trials that they're
buying and selling. They're hardly making any money on that, Like,
it's crazy. It's kind of like franchises.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:50:48):
People took advantage of it, and Caser sounds like you
watched the McDonald's documentary once many times and then the
pros showed up well in network marketing. Now the pros
are here are because really it's just worse because of
social media now and the accessibility that everyone has to
each other. The products are overpriced compared to what compared

(01:51:11):
to other products that are the exact same thing but better.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
On the Okay, that's subjective. I drive Accura and accurate TL.
Accura is a glorified Honda. I bought the Accura, which
costs about ten thousand dollars more than the Honda, because
I saw value in it. Still both would get me
from point A to point B. What because I wanted
leather heats, leather heated seats, a moon roof, gorgeous interior,

(01:51:39):
and the Accura name that, Oh my god, it's overpriced.
Now the value is on me, values on me if
I'm going and it's anything else. You can't when they
do these things with the products. Is subjective, right, because
you can't. There's no if if, there's no such thing
as a legitimate product claim you can make with any company.
And how the hell can they say, as a non

(01:52:01):
involvement that, oh, these these products are superior the network marketings.
But network marketing is overpriced. That's subjective, that's completely personal.
You have zero proof that other products are superior the
market now wait a second, I will give you no.
I'm gonna eat my own words here. Company I'm with

(01:52:24):
is a legitimate, in my opinion, superior product. When I
pitch and clothes other people who are saying, well, why
just say I don't go buy what? Don't I just
go buy this? And then I have things I can reference.
Does your product say this on the back of it
versus this? No, it doesn't. Does your product have x
amount of gold standard peer reviewed studies claiming through medical

(01:52:49):
journals that it does?

Speaker 1 (01:52:50):
Is?

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
No, it doesn't. This is information I'm going to supply
to you that, in my opinion, it is a superior product,
and why you should purchase it? You valuing it? Maybe
you value that the one you bought got your house
faster on shipping than mind did it. Maybe that's shipping
and it's an inferior product, But maybe it's superior to

(01:53:11):
you because it got your door faster. I can't tell
somebody what the value of a product means to them
versus what my product is. Right, Oh, that's what's selling
is damn forgot about that?

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
With an MLM. There's always going to be products that
are more affordable, better and more accessible to you you
can buy that should at Target and it's going to
be better. Fucking ridiculous. And he said, so you have
the best products on the market.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
No, you you have no proof. It's subjective, you have literal,
no proof. You can't make that claim. It can't. It
would get you sued if you did. If you if
you went around and you compared haircare product, it's like
de Mona or whatever it is. To you go to
Swave and Swave is superior, and you're selling it and
you're gonna get sued because you can't prove it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:59):
Don't you did. If it was the best product on
the market, it would sell itself and you wouldn't have
to have these distributors. You wouldn't have to do that.
It would sell itself and it would be at Target,
at Walmart, at walgreenside anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
Then but wait a second, they're still marketing at Target
because you're putting all of your shit in a certain
platform in a certain way. And I believe that the
companies have to call Target and say, we're going to
pay X amount of dollars for you to us to
put us on an end cap so people could see it.
Oh yeah, look at that you just think that it's
gonna sell itself. They still have to do marketing and

(01:54:34):
promoting and put it in them daily weekly flyer for
the it's discounted ninety nine cents a week. It's not
the same. Your argument is invalid once again, ex one side.

Speaker 3 (01:54:46):
If the products were so good, they'd be sold to Target.
And he completely pivoted and he's like, you want to
know what network marketing is about. Network marketing is about education.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
No, it's not. Network marketing is about I got two products.
I have to go through the exact same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
Here's I make it for a dollar. I got to
put it on the shelves at Target. In order to
do that, I've got to market up to cover the
cost of all this garbage, including the marketing that's going
on there. Network marketing is, hey, you want to make
a commission. Yeah, I do sell my product. Okay, I'm
the one who's gonna have to do all the hype
and the influence and the marketing to get you to
buy it. Why are we complicating this. Here's a product.

(01:55:25):
I got two cell phone covers. This one's going on
the shelf and it's gonna have a nice shiny label,
and it's gonna be in front of it, and you're
gonna have a giant arrow. Just count it three ninety
nine and mine is here. And I got to call
you and say, listen, hey, what do you do for
a living?

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
Great?

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
How can I help your business? Oh? By the way,
I want to talk to you about the fact that
I sell cell phone covers. You're doing the same thing.
You're marketing. It's just I'm aggressively going in after it.
You'rs just sitting on the shelf collecting dust until somebody goes, oh,
I didn't notice the arrow. I've been in here five
times this month.

Speaker 3 (01:55:57):
Network marketing is about recruiting and sales. Network marketing is
about recruiting and sales.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
Okay, done? Debates over it is. Network marketing is selling
a product and recruiting others to sell the product. Awesome,
that's a scam. I haven't heard how that's a scam yet.

Speaker 3 (01:56:14):
Education, that's not what it's about.

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
Eric.

Speaker 3 (01:56:17):
Network marketing distributors educate people on the product. Yeah, do
they are they? Are they qualified to do that? Or
are they just spreading misinformation? It's the second line. Instead
of spending a lot, do.

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
You have proof again, no proof, just subjective, a conjecture
on her part that she thinks that people are doing this. Man,
who is spreading misinformation? What is the misinformation? Go contact
the company, start suing. But they don't do that. Who's
spreading misinformation? Yeah, that's what they do again. Now you

(01:56:48):
start to see when they debate you or they try
to disqualify you from your position of being a network marketer,
they throw out things you can't prove. You can't disprove
a negative, you can't prove. You can't disprove what she
just said because you can't prove it either.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
Aut of money on PR or marketing companies let distributors
do that education and marketing and all that. Yeah, they
let them work for free. They let them work for free.
And it's I don't want to say it's a genius
idea because it's an evil genius idea because in order,
like we said, to sell a product, you have to
promote it, and if the company is not really promoting it,
you have to promote it in order to sell it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:24):
That's what netwaight, that's literally what network marketing is. I
don't know where anybody didn't say that it wasn't I
sell a product my product? I have an do you
even know? No one knows what the website is to
my product unless I tell them about it. One of
the biggest things I get criticism on is I don't
have it attached to every video and everything else in
my content. Why would I'm not interested in doing that.

(01:57:47):
I'm interested in giving value. I will actively go out
and sell, right, That's my choice to do that. But
no one said the network marketing. Isn't you actively going
to people to sell a product? I didn't know that
that was a thing. Here, let's move forward again.

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
Sells between you and all the people on So I
just spent all this money on my daughter's education.

Speaker 3 (01:58:13):
Yes, okay, So for some reason, this one like skipped forward.
I don't know why this thing skipped It was weird,
but he's I'm assuming. The guy asked something along the
lines of, like, so is it am I getting paid
for selling a product? Or am I getting paid for recruiting?
And Eric just said, you are being paid on product selling,
like to your team, so you're selling?

Speaker 2 (01:58:34):
Talked about that before you were creating an entire team, allegian,
an army, whatever you want to call it of people
who are underneath you. Every month they are buying their
own products. It is the most brilliant business model on
the planet. Look at it as a members If you
got recruited for Netflix, I don't care what it was,

(01:58:55):
and you get you're trying to get everybody out there
that you know and your family to subscribe to Netflix,
and they're like, we're paying you five bucks a month
for every person who is renewing their membership every month.
You wouldn't have a problem with that. You'd actively go
out to get people to recruit for it. If you
worked for a gym, you get a commission off of
when people come in and they sign on that dotted line,

(01:59:17):
and then every month you get a percentage of what
their renewal is every month. Nobody complains about that, but
you're not recruiting. You are actively going out there. If
the business model changed, if all of a sudden you
found out that if you worked at a gym and
there's you live in a town, Cook County, Illinois, five

(01:59:38):
point eight million people and you get the money from
what you're selling. If a gym was smart enough to
open up and say, hey, listen, you recruit person a
B and C whatever it is, and I go recruit John.
John comes in and now John I get commissions off
of what John bonny because John's a kick ass salesman
and the company's making more money. I'd be like, where
the hell do I John get in here start making.

(02:00:01):
Of course I'm gonna recruit. It's a matter of perspective.
You don't see value in it because you can't recruit.
You don't have people skills. You're condescending. People don't like you.
Outside of being negative. Your brand is negative energy. All
you do is criticize people all day long. And we
know that that mother hen energy that females have where

(02:00:25):
they all love to be in the coffee clatch club
and just talk shit and drama. That's all you do.
If you changed it up and you had to go positive,
your channel would be gone in a heartbeat. So when
it comes down to this, it's selling and then it's recruiting,
And that person underneath you has the option to sell
to other people or just stay on autoship and do whatever.

(02:00:48):
It's their choice. I don't care as long as product
has moved every month. Use me where you want you
want me to teach you to sell. You want me
to sell for you, I will. No one is debating this.

Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
Within your are going toation when your team buys shit,
you're making money. Pyramid scheme, now, this guy.

Speaker 2 (02:01:05):
Yes, go look on my channel. Pyramid scam is illegal.
Look up the little little definition of the word scheme
and the synonyms for it A plan, a process, a structure.
It's a scheme. I am scheming to get this done.
Scamming is illegal. It's not a pyramid scam. It's a

(02:01:27):
pyramid scheme. We could do this all day. Oh, Sally,
we've got about ooh looks like fifteen to twenty minutes left.

Speaker 3 (02:01:35):
What he says makes absolutely no sense and it's so
fucking weird.

Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
You didn't do the business. Going forward to Chelsea's rebuttles,
you get her life. Moving forward to Chelsea's rebuttals. So far,
she's done nothing to prove this industry is a scam.
She's just questioned the status of you being a business

(02:01:59):
own owner or an employee. Who cares you're an employee.

Speaker 3 (02:02:03):
It's only the two percent in the world now, they're
just going off on tangents. So the statement was this
guy said was fucking crazy, said, I just spent so
much on my daughter's education. And then like a minute
later he said, well she paid for most of it. Okay,
weird point, but all right, And she wants to do
network marketing so that she can get married and have
a baby. Because everyone knows you legally cannot get married

(02:02:24):
and you legally cannot reproduce unless you sign up for
a multile of a marketing company. Everyone knows that the
income disclosure statement looks bad. Blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (02:02:32):
All that so was.

Speaker 3 (02:02:33):
The income disclosure statements are for the entire organization. Typically.

Speaker 2 (02:02:37):
Keep in mind one of the reasons you rejected an
interview was that you and your husband were trying to
conceive and you were having miscarriages. That's what you told
me in a private message. So I guess everyone knows
you can't do a debate if you're actively trying to
conceive and you're having miscarriages, you can't debate. You just
can't do it. So you want to play the game

(02:02:57):
and not discredit the industry. Start to uting the industry.
You've done nothing other than personal attack the subjective concepts
that people have in all this.

Speaker 3 (02:03:07):
But yes, it shows the active and not active people.
But it's important that it shows the non active ones,
so that it shows the people who could not recruit
anyone and could not sell anything and therefore did not
make any money with the company. It's very very very
very important that it shows that. So there's been a
shift in network marketing. People join for the discount and

(02:03:27):
that brings down the average. Eric, my guy. A few
minutes ago, you said that the pros are here and
that there aren't people taking advantage of the system, and
that the professionals are here. So which is it, are
the pros here or are the tourists here? Because you're
not really making sense people.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
I don't even know what her point is. I have
no idea what her point.

Speaker 3 (02:03:48):
Is on this join for the discount, bringing on the average.
Most people who join for the two hundred dollars don't
have enough reasons to stay because it's only two hundred dollars.
So you're saying that they're not giving it to the
sunt cost fallacy because a lot of people do, unfortunately,
But that's not really an art. That's not really an
argument there. So are you saying that people are self

(02:04:09):
aware enough and realize, oh shit, this is not working
out like I should not have joined this.

Speaker 2 (02:04:14):
I need to leave.

Speaker 3 (02:04:14):
I just need to cut my losses and get out. Yeah,
that's good that people.

Speaker 2 (02:04:18):
For all the people out there, the same thing apply.
The same thing for people who have gym memberships, you
just don't go. Are they just realizing that they're not
going to lose the weight and they're going to be
just fat forever and gain pounds? So all they need
to do is sit in their chair and talking, and
they're sure mic and do YouTube videos. Sure you're not
making any valid argument points.

Speaker 3 (02:04:39):
They're self aware and understands when things are not good,
especially when you're just a sales Imagine. Imagine you're just
a salesperson and a company. And I say, just a salesperson.
I'm not, you know, being distructful of people who are
in I am just.

Speaker 2 (02:04:54):
A salesperson in the network marketing company that I am with,
That's all I am. I don't know why this is
such a hard guard thing to comprehend on anybody's part sales.

Speaker 3 (02:05:05):
I was in sales for ten years. Wouldn't you leave
an employer and go get a different job if you
weren't making money? Wouldn't you?

Speaker 5 (02:05:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:05:13):
You would? If not what are you doing so?

Speaker 2 (02:05:16):
Did you leave the job because you weren't making money
after ten years? If you're a sales professional, did you
quit because it was a scam? I think in any
job you would, But again it's subjective. How many hours
a week did you work? How many hours a week
did you travel back and forth to work, spend on gus,
spend on whatever else you had to spend on to
make your job work. Was it reasonably a compensatable when

(02:05:41):
you're getting more than you pulled in? And then again
apply it to network marketing? Is it mandatory forty hours
a week plus?

Speaker 1 (02:05:48):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:05:48):
People work four hours a frigging month and they drop
out and they say it's a scam. So once again,
you will never get the truth of those who left.
Taking personal accountability, how it's a scam, You'll never have
anybody say, well, I yeah, I just quit it. I
did a different There's a woman who just did a
video I did for ten years. I got brainwashed. What's

(02:06:10):
the brainwash? You didn't like what you were told and
you did it anyways, you didn't make any money and
blah blah blah, why didn't you leave? It blows me away.
How many people refuse to take personally, I didn't work
all those hours. I didn't do this. I didn't hit
the top level. Did you talk to three hundred people
a week? No, I talked to thirty people in ninety days.

(02:06:31):
And it's all subjective.

Speaker 3 (02:06:33):
You're a volunteer at that point. The illogical fallacy is
just crazy to me, absolutely crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:06:40):
An a lack of provable argument coming from your mouth
has always been crazy to me. None of you guys,
this is why none of you will debate me. You
all fall back on it's recruiting. And when I go, yes,
well it's recruiting, I know, now what, But it's recruited.
That's all you ever say.

Speaker 3 (02:06:58):
You said, most people in network market your tourists, so
tourists or terrorists because yikes like money. Oh Jesse Lee
and the other the beautiful specimen. How she just said,
Oh I googled this, Oh yeah, I googled it. I
googled it. You know that that Google's just a search engine, right,
just because I look at something through Google, or I

(02:07:18):
do research on my own and read a lot of studies,
and you know, watch a lot of very well produced
documentaries where those people have done interviews and studies, and
I've done interviews and I've surveyed a lot of people
as well throughout my time doing this. It doesn't mean
that I'm un educated or that what I'm doing is invalid.
It's just very funny the way they're trying to They're like, oh,

(02:07:40):
I googled it. It's like they're they're trying to like
equate someone like doing like research on like a project. Essentially,
think about it. That's what I do when I do
these deep dives, and I do all of this research
on like the psychological aspects of this, and I talk
to psychiatrists and psychologists and sociologists and linguists and authors
and doctors, experts in this field and people who have

(02:08:03):
been in MLMs.

Speaker 2 (02:08:04):
You take all that subjective, subjective study and then you
twist it being condescending the entire time. No, you would
think that you would be impartial in your delivery to
help people make an informed decision. No, you don't. You know,
you watch a couple of YouTube clips and you move.

Speaker 3 (02:08:21):
Forward who you know were very burned by them, People
who weren't her direct down line, people who have had
horrible experiences with this bald man, and also people who
have been at the very top and are currently still
at the top of network marketing companies. Is all of
that invalid just because of the search engine I use.
That doesn't make any sense getting richer like this is all.

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
None of what you said makes sense. None of what
you've said makes sense at all, and it applies to
every aspect of every angle of this argument you've had.

Speaker 1 (02:08:54):
That happens. It's a huge Yeah, all the this is.

Speaker 2 (02:08:58):
We're approaching the end. I appreciate you staying as long
as you have to listen.

Speaker 3 (02:09:03):
We're not talking about actually being an entrepreneur. We're not
talking about we're not talking about real estate. We're not
talking about owning a business.

Speaker 2 (02:09:11):
Growing back in Again, nothing so far. We have just
a few minutes left in this. The entirety of her
debate was, don't call yourself a business owner when you're
not and you have to recruit to make money in
network marketing. What's your point it's a scam. No, I'm

(02:09:38):
an employee. I make money selling. I can make more
money recruiting and helping those people sell as well. What's
the scam.

Speaker 3 (02:09:54):
Talking about being a contracted salesperson for a commercial cult
for a network marketing company, so you can't compare the two,
just like whenever they try to compare network marketing to
affiliate marketing or influencer marketing is what it's also called,
and that's what I do. So when they try to
compare what I do to what they do in there,
I back up for that a second.

Speaker 2 (02:10:15):
The days of the influencers is hilarious to me. It's
self propagandized glorification, It's all it is. It's you have
to offer value. You have to offer value. People love
my commentary content because I provide value in it. There's
hundreds of thousands of network marketers out there. There is
over I would say currently retired and active, about a

(02:10:38):
million police officers active and retired out there in the nation.
I have some of the most watched content on the
planet because of how knowledgeable I am in the industry,
the profession, and my delivery and my value I present.
I'm not an influencer. I'm not anybody special. I'm just
putting stuff out there that people consume and the value

(02:11:00):
that they have on it. It's not up to me
to interpret. When you I'm an influencer, I'm a dear lord.
That's narcissism.

Speaker 3 (02:11:07):
They're like ifever. They try to compare network marketing to
affiliate marketing or influencer marketing is what it's also called,
and that's.

Speaker 5 (02:11:14):
What I do.

Speaker 2 (02:11:15):
So affiliate marketing is literally I have this. This is
affiliate marketing for those who want to know, it's influencer marketing.
The company calls up and says, Chelsea, oh my god,
you've got a YouTube channel. It's got two hundred thousand subscribers.
I would like to put a code that says cc
CC CC one two one, and during your video, she goes, hey,

(02:11:36):
o fam, have you ever used X, Y and Z
phone carrier covers? Then when your phone drops, do you
want it not to break? And this is the best
of the planet. You're going to influence your audio or
your audience to buy this cell phone cover because they
live and breathe and die on your words. And all
they have to do is type in the code after
they visit the website CC one two one to get
a discount of thirty five percent and then you get

(02:11:58):
a commission off that. That's influencer marketing. The only difference
between that and what I do with sales is I
actively go to people I initiate the conversations. You put
up something you hope in perpetuity people will watch. And

(02:12:18):
if the algorithm decides to float your video down to
a percentage where you're not getting the views you were
last month or the month before, it's going to hurt
the audience it sees you, and your influence is going
to have no sway. Influencer marketing, you do not get
paid unless you make a sale. That's affiliate marketing.

Speaker 3 (02:12:40):
So when they try to compare what I do to
what they do and they're like, it's the same thing.
You're making money on the internet. No, it's not the
same thing. And even with for instance, my sister, my
new sister, my sister and Laal Taylor, I.

Speaker 2 (02:12:53):
Want to see if she's going to explain how it's
not the same thing.

Speaker 3 (02:12:56):
A lot of y'all know she is a realtor now
and she just started and she got her I think
she passed her exam in she passed her exam in
August and then it's now January, and yeah, she still
hasn't sold a home. But there's a lot that happened.

Speaker 2 (02:13:14):
But this is my favorite. This is my favorite where
they go to justify how real estate is in a scam.
I was a real tur I took and I passed
on my first shot, the both national and the state
of Illinois, and I got my real estate license, and
I paid thousands of dollars in fees and requirements, and
I made zero money. And after six months, I went,

(02:13:36):
this is just not for me. I don't have the time,
I do not have the passion. I didn't say it's
a scam. I got paid nothing. I had to drive
an hour one way every day in traffic to show
up at this office where they wanted to go. They
wanted to put me through like two weeks of customer
service training. When I tried explaining, teach me your business
and your company, because when it comes to customer service,

(02:13:59):
I was both a nightclub bartender and a police officer.
I have better customer service than anyone in this entire company.
Can we move on to the good, Well, we gotta
teach you this first. Okay, great, I'll go through it.
No money being made listing homes, you don't get paid.
You don't get paid unless a home is sold. Then
they don't talk about the relationship between the buying realtor

(02:14:20):
and the selling realtor, and who makes the money. Then
you got to talk about how much money you're paying
in your business cards, you're putting on the sign on
the driveway that comes out of your pocket, your marketing tools,
your time, you're spent online promoting stuff, and there's no
guarantee that you get anything. But that's not a scam.
That's not a scam, is it? It blows me away?

Speaker 1 (02:14:42):
You're not.

Speaker 2 (02:14:42):
Here's why, because you're not recruiting. Not recruiting. If I
go activate my reactivate my relator license, my cousin's realtor,
and we've already discussed this, she recruited me, renew your
real estate license. If you give me referrals, I can
legally give you a percentage of the commission. That's recruiting.

(02:15:08):
That's recruiting. She makes money off of my effort. You guys,
lose this argument all the time, and you will never
debate because all you come back down to is personal
attacks on content that you know you cannot shatter or
defend in your argument.

Speaker 3 (02:15:26):
You passing your exam, getting everything else done, and getting
with you know, a firm or brokerage, whatever, a group,
and you're not just gonna go and sell a house
right away, of course not. You need to understand and
expect that a lot of people do you know, real
estate part time before they actually can fully move into it.
You have to build up a client base that's expected,

(02:15:46):
that's understandable, and it shouldn't be compared, Like, why are
we comparing the success rates of being a realtor and
being a sales person? Like, yeah, sure they're both sales,
but it's not just.

Speaker 2 (02:15:59):
Digging her out hole answering her own argument. And the
problem is the people in the comments section are so uneducated.
This is confirmation bias. That's right, they're not the same. Literally,
you get in the business, you spend thousands of dollars
with real estate. You go to an area that's already

(02:16:19):
saturated by a seasoned realtor who already capitalized off the market.
So everything she says about network marketing the industry saturated. Well,
now you're competing with three four people in the office
who everybody's been known for decades, and you have to
try and then you can't. You can't sell the million
dollar homes until you've hit a certain threshold within the company. Says, oh,

(02:16:41):
you could use sold three three hundred thousand dollars homes
this month. Okay, now, you could reach the threshold from
raising your status. How is that not a scam? But
network marketing is a scam? Right, you guys will never
debate me. You'll lose. You'll always lose.

Speaker 3 (02:16:58):
Not the same thing at all. All the markets are
not the same. It's not the same thing at all.

Speaker 1 (02:17:05):
I just goggled it.

Speaker 3 (02:17:07):
To keep going, I just said, I just googled that.
Is that true? You just said you googled it? So weird?
All right, let's look at up what percentage of real
estate agents fail. Let's say, what is the failure rate
in real estate? Depending on the source, the percentage of
real estate agents that fail in business within the first
five years ranges between eighty five and ninety percent. When

(02:17:30):
you think about it, nearly nine of ten new agents
can expect to fail, which.

Speaker 2 (02:17:35):
Oh, so, I'm sorry. That's a higher failure rate than
network marketing. So is real estate a scam? You actually
put this up? Holy shit, I want to see how
you're going to twist this one.

Speaker 3 (02:17:46):
Is an eye opener.

Speaker 1 (02:17:48):
All right?

Speaker 3 (02:17:48):
So yes, now this one says seventy eight percent will fail.
That's not a good comparison because it's not the same.
It's not the same at all. House is not the same.

Speaker 2 (02:17:57):
You're backtracking out of this discussion. You lost this. It
is one hundred percent the same. You are paying to
get into business that you do not make a penny
in unless you make a sale. How are they not
the same? You're online all day promoting it. You actually
do more work in real estate with travel, going in

(02:18:21):
the office, attending classes, mandatory, you have to buy your
business cards, you have to buy your name that goes
on top of the brokerage sign that goes to the car,
which is worse. Real estate is more of a scam
according to the definition of what you guys talk about

(02:18:41):
than network marketing is. You're watching you backpedal off of this,
and am I give you so much credit for having
the balls to leave this up? Well done, Well done.

Speaker 3 (02:18:55):
A comparison that can really be made.

Speaker 2 (02:18:57):
Oh, who buy a book, don't ask how she gets
out of that when there's no other comparison you could
be made.

Speaker 3 (02:19:03):
That has nothing to do with network marketing and how
it's recruitment based and how it's extremely manipulative and network
marketing companies are commercial cults. What you're talking about has
nothing to it's.

Speaker 2 (02:19:15):
Commit it's commission recruitment based. We've talked about that, it's manipulative.
The people who do it, who have no idea how
to sell they are and it's a commercial cult. Churches,
sports teams, realtors. There's cults everywhere. Politics, liberals, conservatives, Trump, Biden, Harris,

(02:19:41):
I don't care. Everything's a cult. You have a group
of people who will live and die and breathe and
swear by their beliefs.

Speaker 3 (02:19:49):
To do with network marketing, Like, the points you're making
are absolutely just irrelevant. Did you also know that manatees
eat thirty percent of their body weight every day?

Speaker 4 (02:20:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:20:02):
I think that's true. I don't know, but google it?

Speaker 1 (02:20:05):
What?

Speaker 3 (02:20:05):
Like, why why are they acting like Google? Like people
doing their own research when it comes to this. I'm
not saying like when anti vac's people are like, I
need to do my own research. You're going to do
your own scientific research? What research is out there?

Speaker 2 (02:20:21):
Buddy?

Speaker 1 (02:20:22):
If somebody hype them up, Yeah, that's not something good
to talk about. Several years later, maybe somebody made dollars
on the line.

Speaker 2 (02:20:31):
Know what go into herst content? I will skip erics
not hers chance.

Speaker 3 (02:20:36):
For the FTC. You have a better chance being profitable
or making a profit when gambling than you do in
network marketing eighty seven.

Speaker 2 (02:20:48):
Eighty seven to ninety percent of people fail in real
estate in their first five years. Blondie so really built
because you know what vice is, maybe because.

Speaker 3 (02:21:03):
Is also a job, not a business. I again, I'm
not sure why back to this again. I think that's
really weird. So I think there so what I think
happens is that it's not really live and there's a delay,
just like there usually is with like everything, right with
every like live streaming or production thing anything like that,
there's typically like a five second delay, ten second delay whatever,

(02:21:26):
so that they can press the button if you're in
like production anything like that. You know what I'm talking about.
You got the button that you can like cut out
the last five seconds, like you can cut out a
certain amount if someone cusses or says something vulgar or
something goes wrong, like you can do that. And I
think that's what they're doing. That's sketchy as fuck, But
I don't know that shit. It's just really weird that

(02:21:46):
that is happening. Because she went from saying hey, hont hey,
hon hay hun and like talking about cold messaging.

Speaker 1 (02:21:53):
Wig.

Speaker 3 (02:21:53):
I'm just sparted. I really hope y'all could have heard that. Yeah,
So I just think that's so weird that now he's
like talking about door Dash and he's like, oh, well,
this is a job, not a business. Yeah, you're also
not the CEO of door Dash. Just like when you
join prove it or monate or anything like that, you
are not building a business. You do not own the business.

(02:22:14):
You're not a business owner. You're not the CEO. You
own nothing. You are an employee if you do not
sign the paychecks. If you are not in charge of
fucking running payroll, obviously you might like have a payroll person.
I get that eventually, I will because this ship is annoying.
Oh I have to remember to do that on Tuesday. Fuck. So,

(02:22:34):
if you are not in charge of all that, doing all.

Speaker 2 (02:22:36):
That, one hundred percent guarantee she has no staff, no
staff whatsoever. Again, I run YouTube content. I run a
ton of content. I do it all myself. This is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (02:22:51):
You're not signing them checks.

Speaker 2 (02:22:52):
Baby, Hey, if somebody's got the they scammed her into painter. Hey, brilliant.

Speaker 3 (02:22:58):
You aren't the business owner. You are not in charge
of that business bank account. You are not a fucking
business owner. Bing bang boom, bing bong bitches.

Speaker 2 (02:23:06):
So that's I remember if you if YouTube stopped distributing
your stuff, you're not a business owner. You don't have
a business. You have no place for your critiquing videos,
your editorials to go. You're not a business owner.

Speaker 1 (02:23:23):
Someone.

Speaker 3 (02:23:24):
All of you bank in medical sales, bank in medical sales.

Speaker 1 (02:23:28):
Here's what I gotta tell you.

Speaker 3 (02:23:29):
All of you bank and better than network marketing actually
owning your own business. You can make bank in medical sales.
Bank in medical sales. Like so much money, so much money,
put away a good amount of that money and your Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:23:45):
Do you also have the leads? How does that work?
I've never been in medical sales, so I have to
wonder because we have no leads in network marketing, no
tools from the company to help us out outside of
like their trainings, their material. But do you have leads?
Do you have free essale code? You know where you
do you have? Is it acceptable for me, as a
network market to walk right into a doctor's office and

(02:24:06):
to pitch them my product or medical sales is acceptable. Hey,
I'd like to schedule time to talk to the doctor
product doctor about this respirator, about these new syringes, about
this new uh. I don't know. I dilator, apples and
oranges both selling, but completely different when it comes down
to if that door is open or not to you
in the beginning for the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (02:24:28):
Golden you are Gucci baby, then you could start your
actual own business or do whatever you want. But yeah,
that's way better.

Speaker 2 (02:24:33):
Well, if you're in medical sales, you're still an employee.
You're still an employees. You don't sign your own chucks.
You get commission, and.

Speaker 3 (02:24:41):
You have benefits. Unlike in an MLM, you are paid typically.

Speaker 2 (02:24:45):
Very well, have benefits when you reach certain levels in
MLM very well.

Speaker 3 (02:24:49):
Sometimes you're overpaid. Being an influencer. Yeah, it's fucking hard work.
Not hard, it's time consuming as fuck. Once you get
to a certain point, we are overpaid. There's some times
where I make two thousand dollars for a one and
a half to two minute ad read on a video,
and that's.

Speaker 1 (02:25:07):
No.

Speaker 2 (02:25:07):
If that's the case, then you're not an affiliate marketer.
You if you sold that many then you would get
that But If a company pays you, then you're an employee.
You're under contract for the person who says, hey, I
want you to do a live read for my skincare
on your channel, and they're going to pay you X
amount of dollars to do that live read. And then

(02:25:29):
that two thousand dollars that's transactional for you, but it's
up in perpetuity for the person who paid you, the
company that paid you. So who's got the better deal.
You do a video, you do a two and a
half minute live read, because you can't have one without
the other. If it's two and a half minutes, then
you just do that. And then you think you're gonna
get paid by all these your videos going out all

(02:25:50):
the time, right and you think you've got X amount
of people who are going to type in the code
CC one twenty one, or a company says I'm gonna
pay you two thousand dollars you do this live read
on your video. You did it on this video, you
got paid. Two thousand dollars came and went. They are
getting exposure. You did this three years ago. If it's
on this video, like you're part of the Candle company

(02:26:12):
you talked about they paid you three years ago. I'm
seeing this now, we're seeing this now. If somebody goes, hey,
screw this debate, I'm gonna go buy some candles. They
still make money off of it. You don't get paid,
so you're wrong.

Speaker 3 (02:26:26):
That's currently right now. That's my rate. I'm not like
spilling the beans of who has paid me that and
all that, because I can't obviously for at least they don't.
But that's my rate right now. There are people who
have smaller channels than me that you know, maybe get
better engagement and they have maybe a higher engagement ran
on Instagram and they, you know, make more money than
I do, maybe less. Or are people bigger than me

(02:26:47):
that make a fuck ton of money, Like that's crazy.
If someone with one hundred thousand subscribers, imagine this, if
someone or that.

Speaker 2 (02:26:54):
So that all boils down to your ability to engage
your audience with your content, Like you're selling them on
the value of what you put out in your videos
in hopes they'll subscribe to your channel and keep watching
your videos.

Speaker 3 (02:27:14):
Okay, one hundred thousand subscribers can charge like six thousand
per two minute adread on a video. Imagine someone with
a million subscribers, it's like twenty thousand. It's crazy. It
blows my mind. Fucking blows six thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:27:33):
But you don't talk about who actually benefits more, who
benefits more. The video is going to be up for years.
That six thousand dollars is nothing to the company, to you,
it's one and done, it's transactional, it's done. I'd rather
have the subscription and the people coming in on perpetuity
who are on autoship from the little pyramid scheme that

(02:27:54):
I'm in.

Speaker 3 (02:27:56):
My mind. And is it hard to grow your channel
and your platforms and do all this? Fuck yes, but
that's better than network marketing a million percent because that
hard work and that growth is like I always say,
like eighty percent luck, but then twenty percent.

Speaker 2 (02:28:10):
Just basically, well, if it's eighty percent luck, then not
everybody can do it. I give you props for not
realizing how deep of a hole you've dug in this hole.
I thought this was going to be a challenge. This
is insane that you actually put this up. But it's
even worse of the amount of people who are in
the comments section doing the ya you go girl, Yeah,

(02:28:33):
that's right. Who are soaking up everything you said with
It's such a low level of intelligence. It blows me away.

Speaker 3 (02:28:40):
Based on me, I'm not worried about other people working.
The work that I put in is going to determine
how much money I make, obviously, like views and shit
like that. Obviously, yes, but if I don't post, I
don't get paid, right, which technically yes, I still will.
I could not post for a whole week and still
make money because people are still watching older videos.

Speaker 2 (02:28:58):
So yeah, I didn't do anything for about four months
of my network marketing business. I was still making money.

Speaker 1 (02:29:05):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:29:07):
It's just very interesting that they all think, oh, and
network marketing is the best. No, it's not not at
all for me, it is.

Speaker 2 (02:29:15):
I've got one hundred and forty thousand subscribers on one
channel for YouTube. I've got fifty nine thousand subscribers for
another one this channel. It's in the infant stages of growing.
We haven't even broken a thousand subscribers on this channel.
So share the videos out there. All of my podcasts
have several thousand downloads each ones as they go. My

(02:29:37):
daily podcast, we average about five thousand to seven thousand
live of viewers. I don't know what the podcast views
or the downloads are after that, and I'm with a
company who distributes it poor for me, so I get paid.
I make more money with network marketing than I do
on any of the others and my channel. I'm in
a niche market with law enforcement and martial arts, just

(02:29:57):
like she's in a niche market. I make more money
with network marketing. So for you, you may not have
the ability, which is why you left sales after ten years,
to do content where you don't create anything. All you
do is offer an opinion on other people's work. For you,
it's not great. For me, it's great.

Speaker 3 (02:30:16):
It's the worst, absolutely the worst. Where are your time now?

Speaker 1 (02:30:20):
And I would say to the world.

Speaker 3 (02:30:22):
For the if they're not a person I can talk
about fucking anything I want, sir, And yeah, there is
something better for the average person. Because the average person,
if they're not exceptional at sales, they're not going to
be able to recruit and maintain a bunch of people
on their team. They're they're not going to be successful
in network marketing.

Speaker 2 (02:30:43):
So basically, thank you. If you are exceptional at sales,
you are going to be able to recruit, manage your
team and make money in network marketing. Thank you. You
could have saved two hours of our time by just
saying that, Hey, listen, network marketing is great. If you
are exceptional at sales, you can manage a team. You
can continue that team going on and teach them the
build and recruit and pitch and close, and you can

(02:31:05):
make money. How hard was that, Chelsea? You just sat
there and in two seconds of a rebuttal you just said, hey, listen,
if you're not good at sales, don't do network marketing.

Speaker 1 (02:31:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:31:18):
That's man. You could have saved this a ton of time.

Speaker 3 (02:31:21):
So, yeah, the average person is not going to be
good at network marketing and they just should go ahead
and get a normal job.

Speaker 2 (02:31:29):
Where So the same applies for you. The average person
who starts a YouTube channel can't grow it and they
should just go get a real job. It applies everywhere.

Speaker 3 (02:31:40):
They can make money, work hard, get promoted, save money,
live below their means, and just put away, you know,
a year's worth of bills and stuff like that. God
for badg just in case anything happens. You know, start traveling,
payoff debt. Like shit is so annoying that they're like,
there's nothing better. This is like that cult shit. What

(02:32:01):
would be better for the average person marrying a billionaire,
that's what would be.

Speaker 1 (02:32:05):
Better because it doesn't exist from home environment.

Speaker 3 (02:32:09):
You have people making money off of you. That's what
it is. A solopreneurship, sir. That's not like, do you
have your own dictionary as sort of God that he
has like his own language. So no, when you are
an actual entrepreneur and you are actually taking that financial
risk and that risk in general and starting something of

(02:32:31):
your own, whether it's an investment, like investing in an
actual business, idea or whatever, then we're.

Speaker 2 (02:32:37):
Back to this again. She's closing out with the entire
thing is just she doesn't like that you, as a
network marketer, call yourself a business owner. So guess what.
Don't do it. Don't call yourself a business owner a
network market or call yourself say hey, you're not a
business owner. I'm not a salesperson. Oh issue done?

Speaker 3 (02:33:00):
Or starting your own business or idea or whatever. That
is being an entrepreneur. Being a salesperson for a multilevel
marketing company. That is not being an entrepreneur.

Speaker 1 (02:33:10):
You've got products, you've got the ability to expand, you've
got the ability to grow. You have training and encouragement
as you're doing that. That does not exist any place
in the worlds or expansion.

Speaker 3 (02:33:25):
You can't grow and make more money if you don't
join network marketing, Sir, what are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (02:33:33):
Like?

Speaker 1 (02:33:34):
This is so so dumb on the annoying parts of
network marketing. I'm with you on the people who overdo it.
I'm with you on the people who use offensive tactics.
I'm with you on companies.

Speaker 3 (02:33:47):
You mean your number one student, Jesse Lee Ward. I
don't know any of these other people. I'm sure they're
pretty fucking awful too. But she's horrible. Stormy Wellington is
a pain in my ass. She's obnoxious and really just
a fucking liar in my opinion from what I've seen
and from what I've been told what has been alleged
to me by people who used to be in her
downline and who used to be close to her. But

(02:34:07):
Stormy Wellington is the number one network marketer in the world, allegedly.

Speaker 1 (02:34:12):
But terrible job of representing.

Speaker 2 (02:34:15):
Dear lord. I mean, the sexist in me is going
to say, we need to get rid of women in
this business. If this, if this is how women are
and they're this immature. This shows why the network marketing
industry has a need for massive change. This is who
the hell would ever buy anything from this? This is

(02:34:37):
a child. This is somebody who's not professional. Her niche
is drama and it's perfectly suited for entertainment for nothing else.

Speaker 3 (02:34:46):
Hi, because what you just said doesn't make sense. What
you just said isn't true. So again, why is it
the best thing in the world because you make a
fuck ton of money off of people.

Speaker 2 (02:34:58):
Trying to do it when it comes to a person
having an eye I got about two minutes left of
this valcal Fry coming down with every word. It's like shit, man,
I have tortured myself to do this video for you.
I hope you find value in this.

Speaker 3 (02:35:17):
Next though, jesse Lee's about to get up and talk,
so we are going to listen to what she has
to say, and it's going to be awful, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (02:35:26):
So first of all, I want to say that jesse
Lee's stuff is still up online. Make sure you listen
or she's actually one of the greatest human beings I've
ever had the pleasure of Knowingard.

Speaker 3 (02:35:34):
What do you mean we aren't talking about them, and
who are we talking about? I don't understand what she
means by when they say all this, they're not talking
about you, because there's five people on this stage that
are successful for network marketing. How does that mean that
I'm not if I'm calling someone out who is guilty
of what I am talking about, I'm absolutely talking about them.

(02:35:57):
Who else would I be talking about? That doesn't make
any sense. This is very weird, This is very strange.
It doesn't It doesn't make any sense, and it's unfortunate
because it really is just a lot of fluff and
belittling gaslighting. It's so gross because he makes such.

Speaker 2 (02:36:13):
The entire content of what you do is belittling and
it's gaslighting. I don't This is the problem I have.
I can't stand. I have no ounce of respect for hypocrites.
It's none. There could be so much that would be accomplished.
You have an army of people in your comments section,
as do everybody else who have such a problem with

(02:36:34):
network marketing and the problem the solutions are right there.
Stop being jag offs and liars and manipulators. The system
is sell and recruit others to sell. Now go about
selling righteously, good tactics, personal service, all the but no,
you'd rather constantly talk about stuff that is semantics. Oh,

(02:36:56):
you can't call yourself a business owner. That was ninety
percent of what you talked about today.

Speaker 3 (02:37:03):
So much money. And he's never going to ever see
the truth about network marketing ever, because he has built
a goddamn empire off of teaching people how to be
better at number marketing.

Speaker 2 (02:37:16):
And you'll never see it either, because you did it
for three days and you just said about woe is
her name is Stormy or Sonny or whatever it is.
You just said you'd have no who you'd never talked
to her, But you're going off the opinions of other
people and videos you've seen. So she's quote, I think
your words were, she's a goddamn liar. That okay, So again,
how are you any different the end, you'll you'll see this,

(02:37:40):
and I'll let her finish her last words before I
fill let her finish your last words.

Speaker 3 (02:37:45):
About teaching people how to be better manipulators and just
breeding these manipulative people, not all of them, maybe some
of them are good people. But again, if you are
in network marketing and you are recruiting people, you are
manipulating people. You are sharing false information, You are spreading misinformation.
There's no no.

Speaker 2 (02:38:02):
I have never lied once in the entire time of
what I've been in this business. I've never manipulated and
I've never misled anybody with false, lying information. So if
you're calling me a liar, call me a liar. Please
spot it out, expose it to my company. Give one reference,
since I'm in this business, give one provable, evidentiary reference

(02:38:24):
of where I've ever lied to anybody in this business.
Send it right to my company and get me fired.
Waiting on you balls in your court.

Speaker 3 (02:38:33):
Oh way, you would be able to recruit someone if
you were actually being a million percent truthful with that.

Speaker 2 (02:38:39):
Go watch all of my YouTube content on this channel.
Spot one lie, spot one lie about how much work
you have to do, the truth of recruiting, how to
do it, how to pitch, how to close, how to
contact your warm market your cold market, how to wind
up never manipulating positively you're an influencer, how to positively influence?

(02:39:01):
Go ahead, and maybe it's time for you to educate yourself.
Three days in network marketing and all you do is
you watch other people's contents and put your makeup on
while criticizing shit. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (02:39:14):
So again, ignorance does not equal innocence. Knowingly or unknowingly,
that's what you're doing. These people aren't, you know, necessarily
bad people. It's just that's what happens when undue influence
comes into play. Please understand that. Please do not attack
these people. I hope you learned something. I hope you
enjoyed my little unofficial debate, since he says he invited

(02:39:38):
everyone and reached out to everyone, and he just heard crickets, sir,
I did not receive anything from you, So I hope
you all enjoyed this video. Subscribe if you would like.

Speaker 2 (02:39:47):
If not, there you go. That's our debate. I appreciate it.
You backed out of our debate. You told people you
did not want to debate me on a platform where
potentially I would use foul language. You want to spare
your words. You wanted to spare your audience from my language.
And what you told me privately was you had miscarriage

(02:40:09):
problems with trying to conceive with your husband, so you
had to back out of a debate, and then you
blocked me on social media So this was our debate.

Speaker 3 (02:40:18):
Is what it is.

Speaker 2 (02:40:19):
If you found value in this great If not, I
would love to see in the comments section what you
think I got wrong so I could learn and improve.
But this is the standard for the network marketing and
the anti MLM crew debate on why it's a scam.
All they can say these are their main points. You

(02:40:40):
are not a business owner, and seventy five percent of
people drop out because they may make they fail. The
word they use is fail. They make no money and
you have to recruit in order to make money. They say,
the only way you make money is you recruit. That's false.
You sell seventy five percent of people in whatever particular

(02:41:02):
survey they pull from. Remember they don't survey every single
person who's ever been in network marketing. They survey twenty
thousand people, they survey one hundred thousand people. They don't
survey that, right, they survey. It's just like any other
a poll on the planet that you do. It's a
select group of people. Oh, ninety percent of the people

(02:41:22):
fail in this business. How many people do you survey? Ten?
There you go. They don't give that answer, and they
never show the direct correlation between the hours worked, the
subjective effort that was put in in relation to the
results that were given, and they never talk about how
much time that they put in, the training they have,

(02:41:45):
the experience they have, or anything else. It's always I failed.
I quit anti MLM. People are the equivalent of people
either male or female, who have dated, get their heart
broken and then say all men are all women are
scum and it's just purely their subjective experience at that

(02:42:05):
time and they're biased. I hope this had value for you.
I'm going to continue doing these videos to make sure
that you have a proper mindset coming into network marketing,
and this will be the last time. They will never
debate me. They will never take it up. They have
no answer for the truth of what this industry is.
You sell product or a service. You recruit others to

(02:42:26):
sell that product or a service as well. That's all
we do in network marketing. Guys, have any questions at all?
Seven zero eight nine two oh nine seven four. I
hope this helps and I'll see on the next video.

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