January 27, 2025 • 30 mins
Not every story in network marketing has a happy ending. In this video, we critically analyze the experience of someone who joined a network marketing company, faced unexpected challenges, and ultimately walked away. We’ll dive into:
🔍 The promises made vs. the reality they faced
💸 Hidden costs and time investments often overlooked
🤔 The psychological and social impacts of being part of the MLM structure
📉 Why some people struggle to succeed in network marketing This is a balanced, in-depth look at what can go wrong and why it’s essential to approach these opportunities with caution. Learn from their story and gain insights on how to spot red flags before diving into similar ventures.
🛑 If you’ve had a similar experience or want to share your thoughts, drop a comment below. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more honest discussions on business trends! #NetworkMarketing #MLMCritique #BusinessLessons #CautionaryTales #LearnFromExperience
🔍 The promises made vs. the reality they faced
💸 Hidden costs and time investments often overlooked
🤔 The psychological and social impacts of being part of the MLM structure
📉 Why some people struggle to succeed in network marketing This is a balanced, in-depth look at what can go wrong and why it’s essential to approach these opportunities with caution. Learn from their story and gain insights on how to spot red flags before diving into similar ventures.
🛑 If you’ve had a similar experience or want to share your thoughts, drop a comment below. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more honest discussions on business trends! #NetworkMarketing #MLMCritique #BusinessLessons #CautionaryTales #LearnFromExperience
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I always want to check these out.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You see a lot of the anti MLM girls do
these where they're like, I infiltrated a pyramid scheme so
you don't have to. And what they do is they
log onto an open invite for a zoom conversation and
then you know, they just expose on their livestream how
it's a scam and all this, and you know what,
We're going to take a look at this together. So
I've never seen these, and then I want to break
(00:27):
these down. I joined an amway pyramid scheme so you
don't have to. I want to look at something and
it's semantics and it's the intention of all this. And
thank god he used the word scheme versus scam. Just
keep in mind the definition of scam, as defined by
a quick Google search dictionary Oxford Languages, is scam a
dishonest scheme, a fraud. Definition of scheme a large scale,
(00:50):
systematic plan or arrangement for attaining a particular object or
a particular idea into effects. So when we look at those,
can we talk about the fact that a scam is
dishonest and a scheme in general is not. And when
it comes down to the word scam being just completely
overused today as far as I'm concerned. Look at like
(01:11):
coffee Zilla's content. All you have to do is scroll scam, scam, scam, scheme, scammers, scam.
Everything is a scam to this guy, and it's the
trend now. It's pretty much how you know things go
in the world of working. If you do not succeed,
(01:32):
clearly it's a scam. So it's not your own fault.
It'll never be your own fault as long as you
showed up. As somebody said, hey, if you put in
the hard work, you will be successful. Well, there was
a there's a saying at a wrestling gym I was
coaching at this said those who those who stay will
become champions. And it's like, so what the kid who stays.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
The entire way said, it's a scam. It's a wrestling scam.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
So scam is the word that people use who are
just too lazy to ever sit there and accept personal
responsibility and accountability.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It is what it is. Let's check this out together.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
This is so I joined an amily pyramid scheme so
you don't have to. This is by Jen G.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
E N.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And let's take a look and a listen to what
he has to say.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
People, This is not like some small one. It looks
like a lot of looks like dark side of it.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
All Right, Honestly, I couldn't decide whether or not I
should make this video because it's lokally embarrassing as fuck
to talk about. It's a it's a true story of
how I got wrapped up into a network marketing group
otherwise known as a pyramid scheme, and this is what
I learned from it. So before I get into the story,
(02:50):
let me just kind of set the stage, like, what
exactly is network marketing, multi level marketing or pyramid schemes?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Gang you, if you've been following along at home for
less several videos, you should be able to identify this
right now. It is simply direct selling to your network,
its sales and recruiting. That's it direct selling. You're leveraging
your network network marketing. It should be just called network selling,
but it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Basically, network marketing and multi level marketing are the same thing.
That It's essentially a business strategy where someone at the
company who was also recruited previously by someone else then
recruits someone like you to join and the cycle continues
as more and more people join and growing the company.
In theory, you earn money by selling the company's products,
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and you also earn a percentage of sales from all
the people that you brought to the company. Therefore, the
more people that you bring, the more money you make.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You see the picture, that's phenomenal, And that's it. Thank
you for actually being so honest and showing what it is.
That system is not a scam, that system is not
a fraud, that system is not illegal, that system is
not anything that it should be negative. It's the idiots
who've been doing it for decades with all you gotta
(04:07):
do is talk to two is recruit two people.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You get two people, they get two people, and.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Then all you're gonna meet a millionaire in your next
six months. Those are the people that we need to
go do No, you gotta go. Those are the people
that we need to expose. But in that short animated presentation,
that's legitimately the entirety of network marketing and the integrity
behind it.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
That's it. It's those who screwed up for the rest
of us that I have a problem with.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
So how did this all begin? About a year ago?
Literally a month. It's moving Austin. One of my college
friend's older brothers dm me on LinkedIn. Out of the blue,
it's called him J. They were really spoken to Jay,
but nonetheless we started exchanging messages and eventually the conversation
shifted towards our goals, like our long term plans and
blah blah blah. He proceeded to then tell me how
(04:58):
he's been building the side hustle with the help.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, I remember. This is the stuff I can't stand with.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
The people who disingenuously slide in have a conversation with you,
and then they they label your presentation. It's like, dude,
you were just man. Why couldn't you just say you're
trying to get my pants the whole time? Remember I
keep saying there's a direct relationship between sex and sales,
and then listen to me very carefully. If you're female,
it is what it is. There's an innate male assertion
(05:26):
done properly, respectfully, where if a guy fled out tells
you his intentions off the bat, you're probably not going
to be as offended or disappointed later on down the
road when he gets in your pants then doesn't call
you later But if a guy's like, listen, I'm only
interested in one thing with you, and you know what
that is. It's physical, you're gonna go well, all right, hey, listen,
(05:46):
I'm not interested, but I appreciate you not wasting my time.
That's the same direction I look in network marketing. Why
are we lying when we can tell them up front
what we are looking to do.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Oh from a couple in the Midwest that he met
and they're helping him build this wildly successful e commerce business.
He said, again, you know what, you seemed like an
ambitious and humble guy. Let me see if what I
can do and introduce you to them. And yeah, you know,
at the beginning of it definitely fell sketched.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
But I was puffed.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I've always wanted to be an entrepreneur, so when Jay
sold me that dream in a vehicle to get there,
I was all hooked.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
That's the number one problem we have in this industry
as we keep trying to sell that dream, but no
one knows how to get there. I have a very
distinctive dream that I want for a business that I
want to open that I've never been involved in, have
no idea how to do it. But if I just dream.
Am I going to manifest it? I don't believe in
that crap. I have to study it, I have to
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learn it. I have to be like, Okay, this is
what I'm required to do for it. There's a lot
behind it. The one thing I cannot stand with the
network marketing space and what has been done for decades
with the people at the top, is they sell the dream.
They always what you why you gotta dream? Okay, yeah,
(07:04):
but what about all the minutia steps in between that
it's gonna take to get there, and the years, if
not decades, it will take to get there. They never
talk about it. It's the pain points and the dream.
And they have you so back and forth like you're
being just a tennis match. You're being volleyed or whatever
it is, backhanded and then slamm forward, back and forth,
(07:26):
over and over and over again, between your pain and
your pleasure and your pain and your pleasure, and you're
so stupefied over with their presentation, you're like, just I.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Want to do it.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
All it takes is two people's that's now they get you.
They simplify what it takes to get to completing your
dream and getting away from pain. Keep that in mind
if you're in network marketing, and if you do it
and I catch you, man, I'm gonna make you a
highlight of one of my videos. Do not leverage someone's
pain and give them the golden goose with what you're offering.
(07:58):
And then, well, all you got to do. Don't be
the savior who swoops in. If you do that, you
are ruining the industry. And trust me, I'm coming for you.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Fast forward a couple more messages and zoom calls, and
he then finally introduces me to the so called mentor,
let's call him M. We then have like five to
seven zoom meetings called the vetting process, where I essentially
how to prove myself to earn mentorship and if it
even made sense for both of us to give me
this opportunity to launch my li I agree with doing
(08:29):
that group. I mean, look, it's easy now to say
how obviously sustis all sounds and I cringe how naive
I was. But in all honestly, what really drew me
in was about the impact that both J and M
would talk about how much his business has impacted their
growth and how it can empower others and also I
was just really drawn by the idea of mentorship, of
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getting to learn from someone who's already created success. That
was definitely I mean it's obvious. I was absolutely naive,
but they really sold me this stream, and I was sold.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Network marketing comes after people who are there looking for something,
something to belong in. I talk about the three c's
all the time, cash, low, commerce and culture, and culture
is the number one. We got to change that, right,
But it's a culture of people who like the people
that I'm involved with. And it's always been this way.
It's always female dominated. The women do not have strong
(09:21):
sales skills. They're very much into love and energy and
you know, friendship, and we know that that's disaster for business.
And they stay at the same rank for ten, fifteen
plus years. A lot of them are the same rank
that I knew when I started years ago. And it's
just it's not sales. It's not aggressive, it's not masculine,
it's not you gotta go after it and you have
(09:42):
to do We don't talk about you know, if you
if you can't see how the sausage is made, if
you have a weak's stomach, that's sadly the network marketing
space they never tell you about. So they go after
people who are highly impressionable, idealist daydreamers. Hi me, you
know Pisces who loves to fantasize and romanticize stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I was an easy target.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
But I also do my homework and I also research,
and if I want something, I have to determine how
to really get there and say, oh, this is the struggle,
let's do it. A lot of people then go oh
this is a scam. I'm getting out and I'm crying
about it.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
So as you can see in these messages, just like
how Jay recruited me for a few months, I did
that whole reaching out to my network to build my business,
and this man recruiting people to be under you, whether
that's through people you know or complete strangers you find.
And at one point, I remember, I even had a
goddamn Excel spreadsheet of potential people that I can reach
out to. That's how bad it got. So what are
(10:40):
examples of some network marketing companies?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I remember, I said, that's a good thing. If you
have a spreadsheet of people to reach out. Remember it's
not to recruit them, it's how to serve them. What
can you do for them. I'm backwards. Hey again, you
got a YouTube channel needs to be grown?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Awesome?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
What do you need help with? You need me to
comment on some of the videos, so the algorithm search excellent.
You needed to share some of your content, great, awesome.
All I do is in return is I want you
to let me pitch you.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You know, if it's good, bad, or indifferent.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
You criticize my pitching because if I'm good, you know
you're gonna have an interest. I'm if I have integrity
behind it, you have an interest. But it's like what
can I do for you first? Right that list that
you have, it's about how you can help people first,
not how you can recruit them.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I'm sure you've heard of them and know someone that's
in it, whether it's Mary kay Avon Arbond. The company
I was associated with happened to be the biggest one
of them all, and it's called Amway. If you feel
like you've heard it, you definitely have. They're so big
that the founders, the Devas family, own the goddamn Orlando Magic.
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I mean, you name it, whether it be fitness products
or CBD Cream. There's hundreds of network marketing companies and
they all sell all sorts of shit, but really what's
not it's the products aren't important. What's common about these
network marketing companies is that it's all based on getting
people under you, recruiting people so that you can make
a bigger pyramid and really create more money to stay active.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
There's not a single lie he just said. He's right.
Remember it's the method.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
If you get a very bigger pyramid under you and
you're the top of your own pyramid, that goes back.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
To the people at the top are making money.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Even though that's semantics, but everything he said is correct.
So when you go into you know, your anti MLM
debates or your your planets through your head and you're
new in the industry, or even if you're if you're
new and you're you're existing and you're trying to actually
explain some if you're team more, don't lie about this stuff.
This is the truth. You're trying to build a network
underneath you. Pyramid it's actually arch is the strongest structure
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known to man. But a pyramid strength is it the
more pressure you put in the top. That base is
there to take the pressure, put it into the earth,
and that you just cannot collapse it. So it would
behoove you not to build a strong, well trained base
of integrity that you put the work in. But so far,
everything he's saying there's nothing wrong. I have nothing to criticize.
He is labeling. If you remove you know, the flash,
(13:02):
if you just took the text out and you put
it on paper where there was no tonality and there
was no cadence rhythm with the way you're speaking, it's factual.
Everything he says is one hundred percent factual. It's why
we have to stop denying this and just talk about that.
It's the method and the sensationalism and emotion that people
behind it, that's the legitimate problem.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
If it's an Amway distributor or IBO they called it,
and then having to purchase a certain amount of products
for ourselves every month, but not only that, I had
to subscribe to an educational podcast where they taught us
mindset and how to build their business. On top of that,
we also had to buy expensive as times.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I don't mind that either.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
If you look at him, I know personally Andy Furcella,
he has a friend and I've been to his organization
First Form, and First Form is probably the single greatest
company I have ever seen operated from the it's in
its standards, right, it's standards. So if you want to
work for First Form, they have standards. I mean, I
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don't believe I saw janitors there. They had their own
employees vacuuming around the desk and cleaning, stuffing stuff up
in dusting. There's gyms at First Form in Saint Louis.
And if the plates that have you know, First Form
on the top and the bottom, if they're crooked, if
they're at like a two o'clock position, that's ground for termination.
(14:19):
You got to put them on the way tree and
then put it perfectly at twelve o'clock position.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
So they have standards.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
And they also require, you know, for growth from their sales,
to read I believe ten pages of whatever book they're
all reading for that day. So that's standards. Other people
who have standards that a lot of people can't stand.
And I'm going to say this and if I lose you,
I appreciate that. I'll talk about it more in depth later.
Andy Elliott, Wes Watson. There are certain gurus out there
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that are taking a beating, but their message is personal standards.
So if you can get rid of the hype and
the emotion and the flash and all that kind of stuff,
and go, okay, what are they advocating? Andy Elliott's saying
that he would never work with a person without ABS. Well,
he's advocating standards. He said, if he finds out you
cheated on his wife, he'll fire you. He's advocating standards.
(15:08):
Wes Watson is out there flashing his you know McKellen,
and he's doing two hundred burbies in the morning and
this and that standards. You know, their bark and everything
is all personal. It's so that they could be there.
What's Watson's the three hours, Ripped, rich and rare. Yeah,
it's narcissistic.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
It's to me, I'm like, I can I think it's.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Fantastic that some man out there, regardless of the delivery
and his message, is pumping this.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I'm rich, ripped and rare. Okay, dude, I'm not. You
are I'm not. Why am I hating on you because
you have standards? I don't.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So do I have different standards when it comes to this.
I understand how people because I was a part of it. Oh,
we all have to listen to this and this training call,
and it was the same thing I said in the
last video with Darren Kidd.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
It's not where you go, it's how you get there.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And all that stuff that they do, the double talk
and ambiguity and the messaging.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So I get that.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
But if we stop and we go, I'm gonna read
you know, Anthony Robbins, Jim Rohn or John John Maxwell
books and I'm gonna learn personal growth and development. That
side's good, Ed Milette fantastic. But you have to have
the counterbalance as well too. That's all the mindset and
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the internal Now, when do you want to put it
to play? What about guys like Gary Vee? What about
guy the Wolf of Wall Street? Jordan Belfort? Flat out,
hands down, there is not one person out there who
is a better sales trainer. Then that includes myself than
Jordan Belfort. He's just the best orrin cloth for pitching.
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How do you present? How do you come into a
room of people who they've never taken You're twenty two
years old and they're like, I'm gonna listen this kid.
Me I'm fifty, I'm listened to a twenty two year
old kid. But your demeanor, your personality, your professionalism. Orange
Cloth could teach you that, Dan Paana, legitimately, you know
what is the psychology of your background that's preventing you
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from taking action and just f and do it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
So there are value in these.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Don't get lost in them because you'll then be susceptible
to a condition called analysis paralysis, where you just read
book after book after book, read audio tape after audio
tape after audio tap.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Or you know around their videos.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Excuse me, that shows a dating myself and you're not
going to do anything. There'll be no action. So there
has a time and place for these. But what he's
saying again is correct. It's a lot of flash and.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Grab tickets to live conferences once a quarter in these
conference halls, and as you can imagine, it was culty
as hell. But honestly, that took me so long to realize.
It wasn't until I told my ex at the time
that I was involved in this whole thing, and that's
when it finally hit me that, look, this whole thing
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is based on manipulation, abusing the trust that you have
in network.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
So I quit.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I'm not gonna disagree with him again because look, how
many times are you told by people. Fraser Brooks, Darren Kidd,
Eric Worri to contact your friends and your family. They're
the worst ones out there and you're gonna your your
Fraser Brooks is very big on the friendship. The friendship
I'll use it all the time. Aaron Bees, who's an
anti MLM network marketing a top one or whoever percent,
(18:28):
she will tell you so much about jesse Lee Ward
that she just video after video after video. She scams,
she scams, she scammed. There was a time that Aaron
Bees would swear that jesse Lee Ward was her best friend.
And jesse Lee Ward has never said anything bad about
Aaron B's.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But when you don't reach.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
The level of success you think you were promised, now
you got to go out and start talking crap about people.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
That's the problem I have with.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
This industry is And I'm not blaming jesse Lee Ward.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
She's dead, she can't defend herself.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I am blaming Aaron because she knew better, and she's
self admitted to the fact that she manipulated others in
a fashion that was unacceptable. The problem I have is
if we're going in with friendship and then the friendship
doesn't pay the bills. It doesn't leverage the work that's
being done.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Can you, as the.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Person who recruited, accept that you should be able to
and go, Okay, you know what, I made a mistake.
I'm not gonna do it again. But the two things
that happens here is either you, you recruited the person
in and you pressure them. I thought you were gonna
go to the top with me. You push, and you
push and you push. Why aren't you making any calls?
Why aren't you doing this? Or you just turn your
back and go, you know what, not doing the work.
That's fine, And so the person that you brought in
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now under that friendship feels wait a second, you you
just turned your back on me. Why I thought we're
gonna or why are you pressuring me so much? So, yes,
it's there's manipulation or influence. We want influence. We want
to influence somebody's decision in a positive way to make
something that makes sense for them. I'm never gonna sell
if somebody goes, hey, it's a money issue, I'm gonna
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flat out listen. I'm gonna push you and I want
your transaction. So can we have a conversation about the
legitimacy of money. Either tell me, hey, you're broke, or
if it's too personal, or just if you're not interested
in buying, Because what I'm not going to do is
I'm not going to spend you have I'm not going
to have you spend X amount of dollars to join
something and then you go. It was my last couple
hundred dollars for this, Wow, and now I'm broke. So
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there's integrity behind this. There's way too many people out
there to do this the right way with, but the
friends and family crap has got to stop.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Thankfully, I was only in it for a few months
and never recruited anyone. But the reality is is that
there are people who actually spend years in this shit
and successfully recruit a lot of people under them. And
I'm sure that we can all agree that someone like
that will really know what's going on in this network
marketing companies. Recently, I did exactly that.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I was just like, oh my god, I felt like
like the wold's collapsing because I trusted this people so
many years.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I interviewed a gentleman by the name of Hugh Zaying,
who in twenty eighteen left his wildly successful network marketing
business that at its peak was running around million dollars
in revenue. He had hundreds of people on their head
from all different states and countries. So I interviewed him
to hear about his experiences in network marketing after twelve
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years and the dark under belly that ultimately made him leave.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Says, you know me, I again a lot of these companies.
I'm glad he chose Amway, Amway Herbal Life. When I'm
with all these that have been around for a while.
When you join these new ones, they're not going to
be around that long. They're going to be around for
two years. They're going to promise you everything, and then
the owners are going to disappear flat out. Dalan Larson,
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I'll say this quite a bit. It was with Visao
that was a company I was with. I do not
respect the retire the practices of Dalan Larson, who opened
up a third company and it was marketed. We marketed
him on well, this is his third company. He made
a billion dollars with u first two. Then he sold
them and we brought all these people and we brought
Manny Paciao in a couple of other Olympics. I can't
(22:01):
remember who else, but those are the selling points. And
literally they after they had their conference, which I don't
go to. They had a conference in January of twenty
twenty two, I think it was, yeah, twenty twenty two.
The next thing, you know, four weeks later, the company sells.
Dan Larson's gone. You can't find them on social media
anything at all. The people who are underneath them, Frank
and Cindy Sosinak and the Rouses and all these people,
(22:23):
and the Untameyers, the people who sold this stuff, and yeah,
I'm gonna name names. I always will, Francois and Ricky
Ontemeyer of Frank and Cindy Sosinak, the Rous's. Everybody just
kind of knew what was going on and they left,
because that's what happens in these network marketing companies.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
For the owners. It's good.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
They come in, they explode, they able to use all
the hype, and they grow, and then they just they
sell the company. They disappear. That's why I knew in
my gut this is not I don't want to I
want to go back to X Y and Z, to
a company that had fifty plus years in business. If
you're gonna do network marketing, you have to find out
(23:02):
how long the company's been in existence. If it's one
of those things where people are talking to well, it's new,
it's groundbreaking, you get the first floor.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I would never do it.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I would go into Amway, I would go into herbal life,
I would go into all the other ones that are
that are that have been established for quite a while.
They're not going anywhere. They're not going anywhere. So keep
that in mind when you listen to people who come
in an industry and they're in it for a couple
of years and then they wind up going to a
new one. You also have to watch I'm getting all
over the place. You have to watch those who are
(23:32):
leapfrogging from company to another company, to another company to
another company, and it's like, why are you switching so
many network marketing companies so long? That's a problem.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Marketing by like the top zero one percent, so out
of the older people new marketing, I'm just one of
the few people that should make money. Because the myth
about most people lose money is quite true in my experience.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Did you look for a certain.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Type of person like it's kind of like the offer
you like all the things the ambitious young person wants.
And then later and started also seeing that they also
teach us to target the national students. The problem was
that was not a whole story. And when I get
to see, obviously the other side after twelve years, I
saw the other side of things that's not shown and
(24:17):
as eventually left to me, you know, leaving the business.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yeah, so let's actually dive into that. What was that
your main catalyst for leaving?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
In this organization that I was part of, they were
actually targeting international students for over a decade to recruit
him to join our marketing businesses, basically making legal claims
that was entirely false. But they would tell the national
students like, oh yeah, you can build now marketing business
here in the US, even as international students.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
The problem I'm having with this video right now is
he's I'm glad he's doing this because you should have
your eyes open, but he's misleading everyone. I joined a pyramid,
Well he is what he is, and he's doing a
network marketing tactic. I joined an Amway pyramid scheme, so
you don't have to. Amway didn't scam you. Amway didn't.
(25:06):
So now you're interviewing somebody who is openly admitting that
their tactics were less than reputable. But you didn't show
if Amway was doing the same thing. So I don't
like the tie ins of these two things. So now
you're just automatically assuming that a network marketing company, this
guy was a part of that I've never even heard
of that was using tactics to target a certain type
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of people. Okay, is it legal? Well, is it is
going after students legal? I don't see why it's not.
As long as you are not saying, yes, you will
make money, Yes, our products will cure your disease, it
will make you taller, you will lose weight.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
As long as you're not doing that, you know what.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Sadly, Sadly, the we can't control everybody out there who
is just has no integrity.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So but to put.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
These two together, it's kind of showing that man you're
you're claiming that Amway operates the same way, and then
to me not to my knowledge, they don't.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
But we'll continue.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Student, it's legal, don't worry about it's not a job.
You can do this. And a lot of the national
students that are like nineteen eighteen years old. They just
came to the States. They didn't know about the laws enough,
and they would join and eventually in twenty eighteen, before
I left, one person that I knew got deported. Yeah,
I actually have to leave the US because you know,
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he was investigated and it turns out that, you know,
his involvement in our marketing businesses strictly against his immigration status.
So he basically got kicked out. Well, and that's when.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
That's that's not the company's fault, that's his fault. He's
got to look at his immigration status and what he's
responsible for. Now you're okay, so there, I want to
hear more.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Really, first time found out that building their own marketing
as international student is illegal, I was just like, oh
my god. I felt like like the world's collapsing because
I trusted these people so many years.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You should know in your company where you could do
business and where you can't globalize.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I don't do anything outside of the US. I just don't.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
And I didn't realize they were capable to live about
something like this. This is not like some small white
round they tell right, this is like a serious issue.
It's like, you know what, I'm done with this organization,
and I mean I'm out basically, so I told them
I'm leaving right away. They try to handle me basically,
what they're saying like, oh, you know, just go away
quietly so that we can continue to grow business. You
(27:17):
keep making money, you know. They trying to like again
to like downplay this and try to like not cast
any issues. And then I didn't do anything for about
maybe like eight months to a year. I'm kind of
trying to see that maybe I still have something like
hope that maybe these people will try to do the
right thing.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
And then what I saw the following a couple of
months was they didn't do anything about this, Like they
literally didn't say anything, and they continue to recruit international
students just like normal. That's when I realized that, you
know what, if I don't do something about this, there'll
be thousands and thousands of more students getting scammed and
putting themselves at risk without knowing it. That's why I
put out a podcast in May, basically a broadcast to
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all the people that follows me that don't know that, look,
if you recruit natural students, you are effectively put being
done at risk of deportation They are just like any
other you know, scammy business people. All they care about
is taking money.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
But okay, that's the video, and I'm fine with everything
except for the comparison. You know, he didn't claimor his
comparison to Amway. So it is everything he said about
Amway is true. It's it's a it's a system. He
laid out what the system was. There is a problem
with the way that people do that they try to
friend you and they try to leverage that friendship guilt,
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you manipulate you into becoming a part of the customers.
And if you look at the entirety of this YouTube channel,
I am the antithesis of that.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I don't even know. I condemn that. We do not
do that here, we will never do that.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Here, I tell you to avoid your friends and family,
and I tell you actually how to leverage them for training,
never to sell them whatsoever. So not bad, it's a
good video. The first half of it was great. He
didn't say anything negative about it other than the recruiting tactics.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
That's it. And we know that.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So once again, when people sit there and they network,
marketing is a scam. This video great, This video has
got let me see here. Video has sixty eight thousand
views from four years ago. Again five hundred and thirty
four thousand subscribers to channel. That's awesome. Appreciate that, man,
But you you validated things we said. It's direct sales,
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it's selling to your market, war market, cold market. The
tactics are I don't care for them as far as
the way people use them, but literally, you try to
sell product and then recoup people to do the same.
So I think we're making some good ground here. Hopefully
this content is helping you out. When you're trying to
a recruit you go ooh, I.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Shouldn't do that.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
You'll watch some more of Izzo's videos and yeah, I'm
gonna oh, I gotta make sure that I have integrity
with that or with somebody challenges you, Oh, you're in
a pyramid scam. Now you're starting to see I appreciate that.
It's not a scam. It's not a dishonest, illegal, immoral scam.
It's a process of trying to sell product by me
doing it and then recruiting others to sell it. And
it'll give you more confidence in your business to do
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it professionally and change the industry with me change the
network marketing culture.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
So I appreciate this.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Guys, have a great day, Like and subscribe, comment below,
let me know what you think and I'll see you
in the next video.
I always want to check these out.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You see a lot of the anti MLM girls do
these where they're like, I infiltrated a pyramid scheme so
you don't have to. And what they do is they
log onto an open invite for a zoom conversation and
then you know, they just expose on their livestream how
it's a scam and all this, and you know what,
We're going to take a look at this together. So
I've never seen these, and then I want to break
(00:27):
these down. I joined an amway pyramid scheme so you
don't have to. I want to look at something and
it's semantics and it's the intention of all this. And
thank god he used the word scheme versus scam. Just
keep in mind the definition of scam, as defined by
a quick Google search dictionary Oxford Languages, is scam a
dishonest scheme, a fraud. Definition of scheme a large scale,
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systematic plan or arrangement for attaining a particular object or
a particular idea into effects. So when we look at those,
can we talk about the fact that a scam is
dishonest and a scheme in general is not. And when
it comes down to the word scam being just completely
overused today as far as I'm concerned. Look at like
(01:11):
coffee Zilla's content. All you have to do is scroll scam, scam, scam, scheme, scammers, scam.
Everything is a scam to this guy, and it's the
trend now. It's pretty much how you know things go
in the world of working. If you do not succeed,
(01:32):
clearly it's a scam. So it's not your own fault.
It'll never be your own fault as long as you
showed up. As somebody said, hey, if you put in
the hard work, you will be successful. Well, there was
a there's a saying at a wrestling gym I was
coaching at this said those who those who stay will
become champions. And it's like, so what the kid who stays.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
The entire way said, it's a scam. It's a wrestling scam.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
So scam is the word that people use who are
just too lazy to ever sit there and accept personal
responsibility and accountability.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It is what it is. Let's check this out together.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
This is so I joined an amily pyramid scheme so
you don't have to. This is by Jen G.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
E N.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And let's take a look and a listen to what
he has to say.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
People, This is not like some small one. It looks
like a lot of looks like dark side of it.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
All Right, Honestly, I couldn't decide whether or not I
should make this video because it's lokally embarrassing as fuck
to talk about. It's a it's a true story of
how I got wrapped up into a network marketing group
otherwise known as a pyramid scheme, and this is what
I learned from it. So before I get into the story,
(02:50):
let me just kind of set the stage, like, what
exactly is network marketing, multi level marketing or pyramid schemes?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Gang you, if you've been following along at home for
less several videos, you should be able to identify this
right now. It is simply direct selling to your network,
its sales and recruiting. That's it direct selling. You're leveraging
your network network marketing. It should be just called network selling,
but it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Basically, network marketing and multi level marketing are the same thing.
That It's essentially a business strategy where someone at the
company who was also recruited previously by someone else then
recruits someone like you to join and the cycle continues
as more and more people join and growing the company.
In theory, you earn money by selling the company's products,
(03:36):
and you also earn a percentage of sales from all
the people that you brought to the company. Therefore, the
more people that you bring, the more money you make.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You see the picture, that's phenomenal, And that's it. Thank
you for actually being so honest and showing what it is.
That system is not a scam, that system is not
a fraud, that system is not illegal, that system is
not anything that it should be negative. It's the idiots
who've been doing it for decades with all you gotta
(04:07):
do is talk to two is recruit two people.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You get two people, they get two people, and.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Then all you're gonna meet a millionaire in your next
six months. Those are the people that we need to
go do No, you gotta go. Those are the people
that we need to expose. But in that short animated presentation,
that's legitimately the entirety of network marketing and the integrity
behind it.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
That's it. It's those who screwed up for the rest
of us that I have a problem with.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
So how did this all begin? About a year ago?
Literally a month. It's moving Austin. One of my college
friend's older brothers dm me on LinkedIn. Out of the blue,
it's called him J. They were really spoken to Jay,
but nonetheless we started exchanging messages and eventually the conversation
shifted towards our goals, like our long term plans and
blah blah blah. He proceeded to then tell me how
(04:58):
he's been building the side hustle with the help.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, I remember. This is the stuff I can't stand with.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
The people who disingenuously slide in have a conversation with you,
and then they they label your presentation. It's like, dude,
you were just man. Why couldn't you just say you're
trying to get my pants the whole time? Remember I
keep saying there's a direct relationship between sex and sales,
and then listen to me very carefully. If you're female,
it is what it is. There's an innate male assertion
(05:26):
done properly, respectfully, where if a guy fled out tells
you his intentions off the bat, you're probably not going
to be as offended or disappointed later on down the
road when he gets in your pants then doesn't call
you later But if a guy's like, listen, I'm only
interested in one thing with you, and you know what
that is. It's physical, you're gonna go well, all right, hey, listen,
(05:46):
I'm not interested, but I appreciate you not wasting my time.
That's the same direction I look in network marketing. Why
are we lying when we can tell them up front
what we are looking to do.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Oh from a couple in the Midwest that he met
and they're helping him build this wildly successful e commerce business.
He said, again, you know what, you seemed like an
ambitious and humble guy. Let me see if what I
can do and introduce you to them. And yeah, you know,
at the beginning of it definitely fell sketched.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
But I was puffed.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I've always wanted to be an entrepreneur, so when Jay
sold me that dream in a vehicle to get there,
I was all hooked.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
That's the number one problem we have in this industry
as we keep trying to sell that dream, but no
one knows how to get there. I have a very
distinctive dream that I want for a business that I
want to open that I've never been involved in, have
no idea how to do it. But if I just dream.
Am I going to manifest it? I don't believe in
that crap. I have to study it, I have to
(06:44):
learn it. I have to be like, Okay, this is
what I'm required to do for it. There's a lot
behind it. The one thing I cannot stand with the
network marketing space and what has been done for decades
with the people at the top, is they sell the dream.
They always what you why you gotta dream? Okay, yeah,
(07:04):
but what about all the minutia steps in between that
it's gonna take to get there, and the years, if
not decades, it will take to get there. They never
talk about it. It's the pain points and the dream.
And they have you so back and forth like you're
being just a tennis match. You're being volleyed or whatever
it is, backhanded and then slamm forward, back and forth,
(07:26):
over and over and over again, between your pain and
your pleasure and your pain and your pleasure, and you're
so stupefied over with their presentation, you're like, just I.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Want to do it.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
All it takes is two people's that's now they get you.
They simplify what it takes to get to completing your
dream and getting away from pain. Keep that in mind
if you're in network marketing, and if you do it
and I catch you, man, I'm gonna make you a
highlight of one of my videos. Do not leverage someone's
pain and give them the golden goose with what you're offering.
(07:58):
And then, well, all you got to do. Don't be
the savior who swoops in. If you do that, you
are ruining the industry. And trust me, I'm coming for you.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Fast forward a couple more messages and zoom calls, and
he then finally introduces me to the so called mentor,
let's call him M. We then have like five to
seven zoom meetings called the vetting process, where I essentially
how to prove myself to earn mentorship and if it
even made sense for both of us to give me
this opportunity to launch my li I agree with doing
(08:29):
that group. I mean, look, it's easy now to say
how obviously sustis all sounds and I cringe how naive
I was. But in all honestly, what really drew me
in was about the impact that both J and M
would talk about how much his business has impacted their
growth and how it can empower others and also I
was just really drawn by the idea of mentorship, of
(08:50):
getting to learn from someone who's already created success. That
was definitely I mean it's obvious. I was absolutely naive,
but they really sold me this stream, and I was sold.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Network marketing comes after people who are there looking for something,
something to belong in. I talk about the three c's
all the time, cash, low, commerce and culture, and culture
is the number one. We got to change that, right,
But it's a culture of people who like the people
that I'm involved with. And it's always been this way.
It's always female dominated. The women do not have strong
(09:21):
sales skills. They're very much into love and energy and
you know, friendship, and we know that that's disaster for business.
And they stay at the same rank for ten, fifteen
plus years. A lot of them are the same rank
that I knew when I started years ago. And it's
just it's not sales. It's not aggressive, it's not masculine,
it's not you gotta go after it and you have
(09:42):
to do We don't talk about you know, if you
if you can't see how the sausage is made, if
you have a weak's stomach, that's sadly the network marketing
space they never tell you about. So they go after
people who are highly impressionable, idealist daydreamers. Hi me, you
know Pisces who loves to fantasize and romanticize stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I was an easy target.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
But I also do my homework and I also research,
and if I want something, I have to determine how
to really get there and say, oh, this is the struggle,
let's do it. A lot of people then go oh
this is a scam. I'm getting out and I'm crying
about it.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
So as you can see in these messages, just like
how Jay recruited me for a few months, I did
that whole reaching out to my network to build my business,
and this man recruiting people to be under you, whether
that's through people you know or complete strangers you find.
And at one point, I remember, I even had a
goddamn Excel spreadsheet of potential people that I can reach
out to. That's how bad it got. So what are
(10:40):
examples of some network marketing companies?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I remember, I said, that's a good thing. If you
have a spreadsheet of people to reach out. Remember it's
not to recruit them, it's how to serve them. What
can you do for them. I'm backwards. Hey again, you
got a YouTube channel needs to be grown?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Awesome?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
What do you need help with? You need me to
comment on some of the videos, so the algorithm search excellent.
You needed to share some of your content, great, awesome.
All I do is in return is I want you
to let me pitch you.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You know, if it's good, bad, or indifferent.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
You criticize my pitching because if I'm good, you know
you're gonna have an interest. I'm if I have integrity
behind it, you have an interest. But it's like what
can I do for you first? Right that list that
you have, it's about how you can help people first,
not how you can recruit them.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I'm sure you've heard of them and know someone that's
in it, whether it's Mary kay Avon Arbond. The company
I was associated with happened to be the biggest one
of them all, and it's called Amway. If you feel
like you've heard it, you definitely have. They're so big
that the founders, the Devas family, own the goddamn Orlando Magic.
(11:42):
I mean, you name it, whether it be fitness products
or CBD Cream. There's hundreds of network marketing companies and
they all sell all sorts of shit, but really what's
not it's the products aren't important. What's common about these
network marketing companies is that it's all based on getting
people under you, recruiting people so that you can make
a bigger pyramid and really create more money to stay active.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
There's not a single lie he just said. He's right.
Remember it's the method.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
If you get a very bigger pyramid under you and
you're the top of your own pyramid, that goes back.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
To the people at the top are making money.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Even though that's semantics, but everything he said is correct.
So when you go into you know, your anti MLM
debates or your your planets through your head and you're
new in the industry, or even if you're if you're
new and you're you're existing and you're trying to actually
explain some if you're team more, don't lie about this stuff.
This is the truth. You're trying to build a network
underneath you. Pyramid it's actually arch is the strongest structure
(12:39):
known to man. But a pyramid strength is it the
more pressure you put in the top. That base is
there to take the pressure, put it into the earth,
and that you just cannot collapse it. So it would
behoove you not to build a strong, well trained base
of integrity that you put the work in. But so far,
everything he's saying there's nothing wrong. I have nothing to criticize.
He is labeling. If you remove you know, the flash,
(13:02):
if you just took the text out and you put
it on paper where there was no tonality and there
was no cadence rhythm with the way you're speaking, it's factual.
Everything he says is one hundred percent factual. It's why
we have to stop denying this and just talk about that.
It's the method and the sensationalism and emotion that people
behind it, that's the legitimate problem.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
If it's an Amway distributor or IBO they called it,
and then having to purchase a certain amount of products
for ourselves every month, but not only that, I had
to subscribe to an educational podcast where they taught us
mindset and how to build their business. On top of that,
we also had to buy expensive as times.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I don't mind that either.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
If you look at him, I know personally Andy Furcella,
he has a friend and I've been to his organization
First Form, and First Form is probably the single greatest
company I have ever seen operated from the it's in
its standards, right, it's standards. So if you want to
work for First Form, they have standards. I mean, I
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don't believe I saw janitors there. They had their own
employees vacuuming around the desk and cleaning, stuffing stuff up
in dusting. There's gyms at First Form in Saint Louis.
And if the plates that have you know, First Form
on the top and the bottom, if they're crooked, if
they're at like a two o'clock position, that's ground for termination.
(14:19):
You got to put them on the way tree and
then put it perfectly at twelve o'clock position.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
So they have standards.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
And they also require, you know, for growth from their sales,
to read I believe ten pages of whatever book they're
all reading for that day. So that's standards. Other people
who have standards that a lot of people can't stand.
And I'm going to say this and if I lose you,
I appreciate that. I'll talk about it more in depth later.
Andy Elliott, Wes Watson. There are certain gurus out there
(14:46):
that are taking a beating, but their message is personal standards.
So if you can get rid of the hype and
the emotion and the flash and all that kind of stuff,
and go, okay, what are they advocating? Andy Elliott's saying
that he would never work with a person without ABS. Well,
he's advocating standards. He said, if he finds out you
cheated on his wife, he'll fire you. He's advocating standards.
(15:08):
Wes Watson is out there flashing his you know McKellen,
and he's doing two hundred burbies in the morning and
this and that standards. You know, their bark and everything
is all personal. It's so that they could be there.
What's Watson's the three hours, Ripped, rich and rare. Yeah,
it's narcissistic.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
It's to me, I'm like, I can I think it's.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Fantastic that some man out there, regardless of the delivery
and his message, is pumping this.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I'm rich, ripped and rare. Okay, dude, I'm not. You
are I'm not. Why am I hating on you because
you have standards? I don't.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So do I have different standards when it comes to this.
I understand how people because I was a part of it. Oh,
we all have to listen to this and this training call,
and it was the same thing I said in the
last video with Darren Kidd.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
It's not where you go, it's how you get there.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And all that stuff that they do, the double talk
and ambiguity and the messaging.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So I get that.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
But if we stop and we go, I'm gonna read
you know, Anthony Robbins, Jim Rohn or John John Maxwell
books and I'm gonna learn personal growth and development. That
side's good, Ed Milette fantastic. But you have to have
the counterbalance as well too. That's all the mindset and
(16:26):
the internal Now, when do you want to put it
to play? What about guys like Gary Vee? What about
guy the Wolf of Wall Street? Jordan Belfort? Flat out,
hands down, there is not one person out there who
is a better sales trainer. Then that includes myself than
Jordan Belfort. He's just the best orrin cloth for pitching.
(16:47):
How do you present? How do you come into a
room of people who they've never taken You're twenty two
years old and they're like, I'm gonna listen this kid.
Me I'm fifty, I'm listened to a twenty two year
old kid. But your demeanor, your personality, your professionalism. Orange
Cloth could teach you that, Dan Paana, legitimately, you know
what is the psychology of your background that's preventing you
(17:08):
from taking action and just f and do it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
So there are value in these.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Don't get lost in them because you'll then be susceptible
to a condition called analysis paralysis, where you just read
book after book after book, read audio tape after audio
tape after audio tap.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Or you know around their videos.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Excuse me, that shows a dating myself and you're not
going to do anything. There'll be no action. So there
has a time and place for these. But what he's
saying again is correct. It's a lot of flash and.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Grab tickets to live conferences once a quarter in these
conference halls, and as you can imagine, it was culty
as hell. But honestly, that took me so long to realize.
It wasn't until I told my ex at the time
that I was involved in this whole thing, and that's
when it finally hit me that, look, this whole thing
(17:56):
is based on manipulation, abusing the trust that you have
in network.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
So I quit.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I'm not gonna disagree with him again because look, how
many times are you told by people. Fraser Brooks, Darren Kidd,
Eric Worri to contact your friends and your family. They're
the worst ones out there and you're gonna your your
Fraser Brooks is very big on the friendship. The friendship
I'll use it all the time. Aaron Bees, who's an
anti MLM network marketing a top one or whoever percent,
(18:28):
she will tell you so much about jesse Lee Ward
that she just video after video after video. She scams,
she scams, she scammed. There was a time that Aaron
Bees would swear that jesse Lee Ward was her best friend.
And jesse Lee Ward has never said anything bad about
Aaron B's.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But when you don't reach.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
The level of success you think you were promised, now
you got to go out and start talking crap about people.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
That's the problem I have with.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
This industry is And I'm not blaming jesse Lee Ward.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
She's dead, she can't defend herself.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I am blaming Aaron because she knew better, and she's
self admitted to the fact that she manipulated others in
a fashion that was unacceptable. The problem I have is
if we're going in with friendship and then the friendship
doesn't pay the bills. It doesn't leverage the work that's
being done.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Can you, as the.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Person who recruited, accept that you should be able to
and go, Okay, you know what, I made a mistake.
I'm not gonna do it again. But the two things
that happens here is either you, you recruited the person
in and you pressure them. I thought you were gonna
go to the top with me. You push, and you
push and you push. Why aren't you making any calls?
Why aren't you doing this? Or you just turn your
back and go, you know what, not doing the work.
That's fine, And so the person that you brought in
(19:37):
now under that friendship feels wait a second, you you
just turned your back on me. Why I thought we're
gonna or why are you pressuring me so much? So, yes,
it's there's manipulation or influence. We want influence. We want
to influence somebody's decision in a positive way to make
something that makes sense for them. I'm never gonna sell
if somebody goes, hey, it's a money issue, I'm gonna
(19:57):
flat out listen. I'm gonna push you and I want
your transaction. So can we have a conversation about the
legitimacy of money. Either tell me, hey, you're broke, or
if it's too personal, or just if you're not interested
in buying, Because what I'm not going to do is
I'm not going to spend you have I'm not going
to have you spend X amount of dollars to join
something and then you go. It was my last couple
hundred dollars for this, Wow, and now I'm broke. So
(20:19):
there's integrity behind this. There's way too many people out
there to do this the right way with, but the
friends and family crap has got to stop.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Thankfully, I was only in it for a few months
and never recruited anyone. But the reality is is that
there are people who actually spend years in this shit
and successfully recruit a lot of people under them. And
I'm sure that we can all agree that someone like
that will really know what's going on in this network
marketing companies. Recently, I did exactly that.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I was just like, oh my god, I felt like
like the wold's collapsing because I trusted this people so
many years.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I interviewed a gentleman by the name of Hugh Zaying,
who in twenty eighteen left his wildly successful network marketing
business that at its peak was running around million dollars
in revenue. He had hundreds of people on their head
from all different states and countries. So I interviewed him
to hear about his experiences in network marketing after twelve
(21:14):
years and the dark under belly that ultimately made him leave.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Says, you know me, I again a lot of these companies.
I'm glad he chose Amway, Amway Herbal Life. When I'm
with all these that have been around for a while.
When you join these new ones, they're not going to
be around that long. They're going to be around for
two years. They're going to promise you everything, and then
the owners are going to disappear flat out. Dalan Larson,
(21:39):
I'll say this quite a bit. It was with Visao
that was a company I was with. I do not
respect the retire the practices of Dalan Larson, who opened
up a third company and it was marketed. We marketed
him on well, this is his third company. He made
a billion dollars with u first two. Then he sold
them and we brought all these people and we brought
Manny Paciao in a couple of other Olympics. I can't
(22:01):
remember who else, but those are the selling points. And
literally they after they had their conference, which I don't
go to. They had a conference in January of twenty
twenty two, I think it was, yeah, twenty twenty two.
The next thing, you know, four weeks later, the company sells.
Dan Larson's gone. You can't find them on social media
anything at all. The people who are underneath them, Frank
and Cindy Sosinak and the Rouses and all these people,
(22:23):
and the Untameyers, the people who sold this stuff, and yeah,
I'm gonna name names. I always will, Francois and Ricky
Ontemeyer of Frank and Cindy Sosinak, the Rous's. Everybody just
kind of knew what was going on and they left,
because that's what happens in these network marketing companies.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
For the owners. It's good.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
They come in, they explode, they able to use all
the hype, and they grow, and then they just they
sell the company. They disappear. That's why I knew in
my gut this is not I don't want to I
want to go back to X Y and Z, to
a company that had fifty plus years in business. If
you're gonna do network marketing, you have to find out
(23:02):
how long the company's been in existence. If it's one
of those things where people are talking to well, it's new,
it's groundbreaking, you get the first floor.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I would never do it.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I would go into Amway, I would go into herbal life,
I would go into all the other ones that are
that are that have been established for quite a while.
They're not going anywhere. They're not going anywhere. So keep
that in mind when you listen to people who come
in an industry and they're in it for a couple
of years and then they wind up going to a
new one. You also have to watch I'm getting all
over the place. You have to watch those who are
(23:32):
leapfrogging from company to another company, to another company to
another company, and it's like, why are you switching so
many network marketing companies so long? That's a problem.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Marketing by like the top zero one percent, so out
of the older people new marketing, I'm just one of
the few people that should make money. Because the myth
about most people lose money is quite true in my experience.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Did you look for a certain.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Type of person like it's kind of like the offer
you like all the things the ambitious young person wants.
And then later and started also seeing that they also
teach us to target the national students. The problem was
that was not a whole story. And when I get
to see, obviously the other side after twelve years, I
saw the other side of things that's not shown and
(24:17):
as eventually left to me, you know, leaving the business.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yeah, so let's actually dive into that. What was that
your main catalyst for leaving?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
In this organization that I was part of, they were
actually targeting international students for over a decade to recruit
him to join our marketing businesses, basically making legal claims
that was entirely false. But they would tell the national
students like, oh yeah, you can build now marketing business
here in the US, even as international students.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
The problem I'm having with this video right now is
he's I'm glad he's doing this because you should have
your eyes open, but he's misleading everyone. I joined a pyramid,
Well he is what he is, and he's doing a
network marketing tactic. I joined an Amway pyramid scheme, so
you don't have to. Amway didn't scam you. Amway didn't.
(25:06):
So now you're interviewing somebody who is openly admitting that
their tactics were less than reputable. But you didn't show
if Amway was doing the same thing. So I don't
like the tie ins of these two things. So now
you're just automatically assuming that a network marketing company, this
guy was a part of that I've never even heard
of that was using tactics to target a certain type
(25:27):
of people. Okay, is it legal? Well, is it is
going after students legal? I don't see why it's not.
As long as you are not saying, yes, you will
make money, Yes, our products will cure your disease, it
will make you taller, you will lose weight.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
As long as you're not doing that, you know what.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Sadly, Sadly, the we can't control everybody out there who
is just has no integrity.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So but to put.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
These two together, it's kind of showing that man you're
you're claiming that Amway operates the same way, and then
to me not to my knowledge, they don't.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
But we'll continue.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Student, it's legal, don't worry about it's not a job.
You can do this. And a lot of the national
students that are like nineteen eighteen years old. They just
came to the States. They didn't know about the laws enough,
and they would join and eventually in twenty eighteen, before
I left, one person that I knew got deported. Yeah,
I actually have to leave the US because you know,
(26:20):
he was investigated and it turns out that, you know,
his involvement in our marketing businesses strictly against his immigration status.
So he basically got kicked out. Well, and that's when.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
That's that's not the company's fault, that's his fault. He's
got to look at his immigration status and what he's
responsible for. Now you're okay, so there, I want to
hear more.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Really, first time found out that building their own marketing
as international student is illegal, I was just like, oh
my god. I felt like like the world's collapsing because
I trusted these people so many years.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You should know in your company where you could do
business and where you can't globalize.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I don't do anything outside of the US. I just don't.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
And I didn't realize they were capable to live about
something like this. This is not like some small white
round they tell right, this is like a serious issue.
It's like, you know what, I'm done with this organization,
and I mean I'm out basically, so I told them
I'm leaving right away. They try to handle me basically,
what they're saying like, oh, you know, just go away
quietly so that we can continue to grow business. You
(27:17):
keep making money, you know. They trying to like again
to like downplay this and try to like not cast
any issues. And then I didn't do anything for about
maybe like eight months to a year. I'm kind of
trying to see that maybe I still have something like
hope that maybe these people will try to do the
right thing.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
And then what I saw the following a couple of
months was they didn't do anything about this, Like they
literally didn't say anything, and they continue to recruit international
students just like normal. That's when I realized that, you
know what, if I don't do something about this, there'll
be thousands and thousands of more students getting scammed and
putting themselves at risk without knowing it. That's why I
put out a podcast in May, basically a broadcast to
(27:55):
all the people that follows me that don't know that, look,
if you recruit natural students, you are effectively put being
done at risk of deportation They are just like any
other you know, scammy business people. All they care about
is taking money.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
But okay, that's the video, and I'm fine with everything
except for the comparison. You know, he didn't claimor his
comparison to Amway. So it is everything he said about
Amway is true. It's it's a it's a system. He
laid out what the system was. There is a problem
with the way that people do that they try to
friend you and they try to leverage that friendship guilt,
(28:29):
you manipulate you into becoming a part of the customers.
And if you look at the entirety of this YouTube channel,
I am the antithesis of that.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I don't even know. I condemn that. We do not
do that here, we will never do that.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Here, I tell you to avoid your friends and family,
and I tell you actually how to leverage them for training,
never to sell them whatsoever. So not bad, it's a
good video. The first half of it was great. He
didn't say anything negative about it other than the recruiting tactics.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
That's it. And we know that.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So once again, when people sit there and they network,
marketing is a scam. This video great, This video has
got let me see here. Video has sixty eight thousand
views from four years ago. Again five hundred and thirty
four thousand subscribers to channel. That's awesome. Appreciate that, man,
But you you validated things we said. It's direct sales,
(29:21):
it's selling to your market, war market, cold market. The
tactics are I don't care for them as far as
the way people use them, but literally, you try to
sell product and then recoup people to do the same.
So I think we're making some good ground here. Hopefully
this content is helping you out. When you're trying to
a recruit you go ooh, I.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Shouldn't do that.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
You'll watch some more of Izzo's videos and yeah, I'm
gonna oh, I gotta make sure that I have integrity
with that or with somebody challenges you, Oh, you're in
a pyramid scam. Now you're starting to see I appreciate that.
It's not a scam. It's not a dishonest, illegal, immoral scam.
It's a process of trying to sell product by me
doing it and then recruiting others to sell it. And
it'll give you more confidence in your business to do
(30:01):
it professionally and change the industry with me change the
network marketing culture.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
So I appreciate this.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Guys, have a great day, Like and subscribe, comment below,
let me know what you think and I'll see you
in the next video.
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