Inside MLM: Conversations with the Top 1% with Robert Hollis

Episode Transcript

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All right, here we are anotherepisode of the Bull of mL Network Marketing
Warfare. I'm your host, DominicKizzo, and I always love watching my
guest's face when they're like, whatthe hell that's my intro music? I
love it. If you don't knowanything about me, I'm Dominic Gizzo.
I am the Bull of MLM.I'm a very passionate pro professional network marketer.

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I've been involved in the industry fortwelve years now. It's a thirteen
year twelve years somewhere around there.And I started doing podcasts in both critiquing
the MLM community and also being supportiveof it. And I wanted to start
interviewing people that I think have tremendousvalue in learning from me. The way
that I look at this is anytimeI do any content, it's to sharpen

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my skills, and if you learnsomething in the process, then we have
a good time doing It is goingto be a new series. If you've
follow any of my content before onsocial media, the podcast, anything else,
you know that I've got after someanti MLM people, I've debated a
few of them. I've had myfun with them. It's a ton of
fun, but I want to putin the serious work. So the other

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day I'm sitting smoking a cigar andI'm like, you know, I got
to up my game. So Ityped in a Google search of the top
network marketer professionals earners in the world, and I got this list of one
hundred and I started going down andset out a ton of requests and some
people are e supplied, some peoplewere kind of like meh, and some
people were like, absolutely, let'sdo this. This is Robert Hollis,

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my first guest. You were Youwere the first one that matched the energy
with absolutely, let's do this.What do you need? And I can't
thank you enough of that. SoI want to have a really awesome conversation
today with you and I'll go fromthere. I have to say that I
found out originally you were listening tothe Top twenty. You're the one that
top ten network marketing professionals in theworld. So when somebody like you takes

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the time to have a conversation withme, it's it means a lot.
So thank you. I really wantto thank you for that. Well,
thank you very much, Dominic.It didn't take me long to watch a
lot of your content and understand thatthe one thing you care for is people.
You wouldn't be as bold as youare because there's a lot of naysayers

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out there. There's a lot ofpeople that are now at all's right fighters,
people that know everything but their livestyle, and then people that they've impacted
is zero. And so I watcheda couple of your videos and I just
went, Yeah, if this willhelp serve the world and get them to
think in a different way where theycan live heaven on earth, why not
do it. Let's have a conversation. I always ask my guests, I

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don't think it's really does anybody justicewhen I go, hey, you know,
this is Robert Hollis. He isX, Y, and Z,
and I give the resume that doesn'tmove anybody. You tell me who is
Robert Hollis. I want to hearwho is the man first, because most
people when they dive into MLM,they don't realize they're really actually being supportive
of the community that's involved with it, and that's comprised of people. So

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who is Robert Hollis. Well,Robert Hollis number one is a warrior for
God. And like you said onone of your videos, I'd be careful
of what your definition of that is. But you know, the things that
I've learned that I've learned from others, and I just love sharing that.

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So the only way to greatness isthe service of many. So I every
day am working harder on being abetter husband, a better father, a
better better grandfather. And I justyou know, Jim Rowan is one of
my favorite all time people that Igot to mentor under. And he said,
Dominic, you died twice in yourlife, and one as you stop

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breathing, and that's your you knowdeath here. But the next time you
die is when no one now nolonger says your name. Oh jees yah.
Yeah, that's important. And andI just went listen. I I
every day I work to strive todo a percentage of what Jim Rowan did

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for me. I want to askquestions because anything the bullshit meter goes off
every now and then. And myinitial well, my initial stage on network
marketing when I got involved with this, you know it's twenty eleven, was
I was, you know, you'regonna make You're gonna make six figures in
your first six months, and allthis stuf bl blah blah blah, yeah,

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and then there was all that stuff. So my skin always crawled when
I heard a lot of people,uh talking about that immediate wealth. And
then now as a Christian, Igrew up Catholic. Catholic was guilty for
everything. There was no you're notsupposed to have money? How dare you
ever want to have money? Themequal inherit at the earth God. Well,

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then I then I got involved innetwork marketing, and there was a
lot of Christians who they spoke aboutthe prosperity gospel and that what, but
they weren't doing anything. The bullshipmeter is not going off with you,
So I mean, I'm listening toyou well. And one of the things
too, is it's not my businessto say what your net worth is.
And it's a very easy Google search. It's considerable what your net worth is.

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And when I looked at your content, looked at your stuff, you
just seem real and down to earth. Why why I need to hear about
your beginnings before network marketing? Anddid money change you? Or is this
always have you? Did you havea good relationship with money? What was
why? What is this with you? It doesn't seem like you're full of

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shed. Well, I'm I'm notfull of shed. I I really truly
believe there's a lot check your pastwith you being a a police officer,
I was the opposite. I wasa felon and let me cheer with you.
It was crazy a very young age, I got taken away from my

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parents because of all kinds of abuse, and my brothers were separated, and
so I grew up in foster homesand orphanages and and you know, you
just end up becoming more who youhang around. When I first heard that
statement, I went, wow,isn't that the truth? And hung around
with wrong crowd and I was trying. I got moved to a new city

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and a new school. So whatI did, dominic is I wanted to
be the life of the party.So I broke into a warehouse and stole
a semi truck full of beer andtook it to a place out in the
country where I knew there was aquanstant and through a giant party in my
senior year in high school. AndI didn't know that what the initials ATF

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stood for until they showed up atmy doorstep. So a lot of people
on here might say, you know, it's ignorance is bliss. You know,
ignorance is not a bad word.You just don't know that you don't
know, but you know, theyreally frowned that I was moving alcohol with
their permission. And so I gotto a little stint, which I believe

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is my dear Steer story. It'slike, all of a sudden, I'm
taken out of high school and Iget classy six classy felonies and I end
up in Bismarck, North Dakota,in prison, and I'm like, going,
how did I get here? Andit was really amazing because of there,
you also can learn to have goodtime or bad time. And I

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wasn't doing well. I wasn't doingwell, and all of a sudden,
this guy was mopping and he tooka little one of those gideons Red New
Testament and he threw it into mycell, saying, I can't talk to
you. And uh, That's whenI found out about a bunch of promises
and now I have a father again, and that that was very a big

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change for me. It was asignificant emotional event. I just said,
listen, if I can be assmart on the dark side, I can,
you know, do it on theon the on the light side,
and that's when everything dominant for meturned around. I went to college,
became an automotive engineer, and thenfrom there got hired by Roger Penske and
and my life was on a rocketship. I mean, it was just

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being blessed, like I couldn't believeit. And wrong place, wrong time,
A band slipped off a hoist ToyotaResearch and Development, and I tried
to stop it. So not thatsmart. And then when it hypercented my
knee, I go to the emergencyand the doctor's going, oh, you're
a mechanic, and I said yeah, and he goes not anymore, not

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as messed up as your knee is. And in an instant, I lost
my identity. I was like,if someone walked up to me like we
do dominic and crowds, it's like, hey, what do you do.
I'm a police officer, I'm afireman, and it's like I was a
mechanic and now I'm not. Andso all that ego edging got out and

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all that stuff's just started going downand no electricity and Repoman hide my car
from the Repoman and getting evicted,and it just kept getting worse and worse,
and so I just basically yelled outfor help. Dominic. I was
just going, listen, if Ineed to be someplace else, I'm open.
And I had a guy that Ionly met a couple of times reach

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out to me and said, hey, I met this guy. He had
a check for sixty two thousand dollarsthat he had in an envelope and it
was attached to the stub and he'slooking for people that he couldn't show how
to do this. And I waslike, I'll come pick you up.
I want to meet this guy.And it was my surrendering and asking for
help. And now I'm in frontof an individual that was caught by them,

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the yodas and the big yodas frompast. And I think got every
day all day that I got introducedto a couple of people that really really
understood the people business. And whatyeah, go no, what year was
this that you first got into it? Nineteen eighty five, So eighty five

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you're going into a business that Idon't. I don't. It's so easy
and it's so needed today, rightnetwork marketing space today is it blows me
away how people are I had aconversation with a fiduciary from India seven eight
years ago who said that if Americansdo not figure out a way how to

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change, they're going to wind upbeing in a lot of trouble. And
I'm like, wait a second,I'm a cop. I do manual labor.
Here, I do this. Idon't know how to do any of
this stuff. And I didn't seethe writing on the wall that you need
to learn how to make your moneyvirtually. And you know, money is
just energy going from one place tothe other. But it's so easy today
to do this business, but it'smore vilified than ever. But you started,

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You started when it was the hardest. I mean, that's bad.
I started in twenty eleven before wewere allowed to use the internet, but
the internet was still there for anythingelse. You started the hard talk about
those days, that's that's the noseof the grindstone days. Yeah. Well
my back then too, you know, no so phones, no Internet.

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The thing that was funny is wehad this new invention dominic. It was
called the VHS tape mm hmm betalost. Yeah, and all I was
told to do is get excited andimagine my future. You know. He
kept asking me what would you dowith this check if I gave you this
check? And that's one of thebiggest things that's missing today in my opinion,

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dominated what makes me unique and specialis I first give a shit about
people. They're not tools to me, and all I need to do is
get them to imagine again. Andwhen I get them to start imagining,
you know, when I was young, what do you want to be?
I want to be a cop.I want to be a fireman, I
want to be an astronaut. Intoday's world, because everyone's allowed to have

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an opinion, and you know,the goal of people today is to find
a group and then hate the restof the world. It's the most bizarre
time I've ever seen. But likeyou said, the economic times and the
technology that we have today, there'snever been a better time in the world
to do this business, never ever, ever, ever. I built a

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group of over thirty thousand people,never leaving my home and just doing exactly
what we're doing now. And youknow, point guide and direct and when
you put the good together, theright videos. I always say this right
now, you know we're podcasting,but you look at every podcast a on
the planet, every influencer, regardlessof what a platform they're on TikTok,

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Instagram, Facebook, whatever. Ifyou see the ones that are making a
full time income versus the ones thatare not, there's only one difference.
One difference the amount of the waythey make people feel. And I know
some of us going, why arepeople following Taylor Swift? Why do people
follow Justin Bieber? Why do peoplefollow Gaga? You know, Lady Gaga,

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Well, the same reason they followthe Kardashians and mister Beast and Dominic.
When you're on content that makes youfeel good, it's not about education
anymore. And then while we're entertainingpeople like we're doing now, what's wrong
with the sliding your affiliate link oryou're you're enroller link. It's like everything

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that I watch right now, it'slike, hey, by the way,
let me take a pause. Wewant to support Dominick's channel, and how
he does that is you'll see alink somewhere around this site. Simply click
on it. Reach out us firstfor more information because life is expensive and
we want to show you how tomount of time, your mount of tier
life. So let's get back tothe podcast and Dominic here you are when

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we start doing that. There's there'smassive, there's three levels of it,
and everything we want to do endsup in education. But we have to
engage people, and we engage youby entertaining them. The let's pretend that
I'm anti MLM for a second.I'm gonna come at you. Well,
all our sudden Robert, that's allgreat, But you know the study by
this whatever organization says that ninety percentof people in MLM fail And all,

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okay is it? Where do wehave a responsibility? And I'll look at
you. You're at the top ofyour at the top of a massive organization.
You don't have time to mentor allthese people. But when you have,
when you have the well, thisis awesome. How do you how
do people There's two sides of it. How do you manage thirty thousand plus?

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And on the flip side of thecoin, where is the personal responsibility
of the person who comes in thisbusiness to do the work? What is
their expectation? So first decide ofthe one point is how do you do
it? And then what do youexpect from people when they come in to
avoid being that ninety something percent failureate statistic? Yeah, Well, that
is an awesome question, and yousaid you're going to give me some great

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ones. I can't wait to sharethis podcast with everyone. So here's the
first mindset that you got to understand. If you look at the irs right
now, irs, because of theInternet now gives us up to date what
we call statistics. So if youlook at the United States and then you
look at you know, with theelderly versus the young, and then the
people that are act paying taxes andworking above the table instead of the under

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table, it's like, do yourealize that there's only ten percent of the
people in the United States that makeover one hundred thousand dollars. So when
we've seen this thing and dominic,you and I've been around for a while,
but when we seen the ninety nineone percent campaign, remember that it
was just all over. Everyone wascomplaining the ninety nine percent against the one

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percent, well five percent. WhenObama was in office, he said,
let's go after the five percent,five percent of people that make two hundred
thousand dollars plus and then of courseone percent make over a million. But
what people don't understand is if younow take the world you know what I
mean, now it's down to fivepercent of the people in the world make

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over one hundred grand. So maybeit's not network marketing. Maybe it's just
the way people are the way peopleare. So you know, I know
what to do to lose weight.I got to drink plenty of water,
eight glasses a day, I gotto eat sensibly. And what I need

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to do is I need to getoff my ass. See, like Jim
Rowan said, these things are easy, but they're easier not to do.
So the other thing is we're goingto bring out facts. Now, we
got ai list check some facts.Well, how many people that start playing
football in middle school or elementary schoolactually make a full time income in football.

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It's not only less than one percent, but they have a three year
career. Robert, if you're goingto start spinning facts, please don't do
that. Don't speak truth on thispodcast, because you know what you could
Wait a second, are you goingto tell me next about the statistics for
brick and mortar and how like withinfive verse five years. Well, here's
the anti MLM comeback for all that. But those aren't businesses that are involved

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with recruiting. And then when Idid a podcast debate and I said,
well, last time I checked whenI was in the bar industry before becoming
a cop. Uh, if itwasn't for our regulars who came in,
we would we really wouldn't be makingthe money that we made. So it
was our job to air quotes recruitby always giving acseemplary service, knowing their

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cocktail before they walked in the door, telling them, hey, bring in
your friends. We're actively recruiting.So yeah, please, before you go
on with your factual nonsense, justknow that the garbage is always going to
be, well, you're not,your business is they're recruit whatever. Please
continue floors yourself because you're sure.Sure, And when someone says your job

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is the recruit and I mean Igo, like the army, like colleges
and universities, like everything, it'slike the reason that there's indeed and career
and some of these ones that they'restill available is for anything to grow.
You'll love this dominant when you lookat anything that gives you freedom and lifestyle

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before money. Right, think aboutthis. You've started company. You need
employees, that's recruitment. I needa manager, I need some cooks,
I need some people to run thecab to drive through the cash register.
I need some janitors. That's whatyou do, you recruit employees. So
why is it that the largest companieson the planet that sometimes these haters hate

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just like they hate our industry?Is like, why does McDonald's have a
million people employed? I don't know, you ask one percent of them.
They went there, started as ateenager, worked their way to management.
Then McDonald's gave them benefits, paidfor their college, and now they own
franchises. See there's stories where peoplestarted out as janitors that now own multi

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franchises of McDonald's. And people wouldsay, wow, great rage the richest
story. But what about the restof the people that didn't pay attention and
go the extra mile and and workhard to get paid more? What about
those people? Why are we sofascinated with the failure rate of things?
When I did debates. A parallelindustry to ours is real estate. I

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got my real estate license in twentytwenty just to see if I could got
it. Paid twenty five hundred dollarsfor the fees and all that stuff lasted
two maybe maybe eleven months, andI went, this is not for me.
So I quit. I quit theindustry. I didn't make a dollar.
I had to cost twenty five hundred, one hundred percent. Quitter because
it was not for me. Ididn't feel it. So by the definition

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of the anti MLM community, Ipaid to enroll. It's a one hundred
percent commission. I quit. Ifailed. So why isn't real estate a
scam? Why then everything is?I don't apparently today with everything today it
is it is when we focus whenwhen we have an obsession, everyone has
an obsession, or the majority,I'll say, yeah, they have a

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maturity. With the failure rate ofall these businesses, everything, the failure
of everything is because people have losttheir imagination. What do you mean by
that, Well, we dream whenwe're little kids. No one cares that
when you're a little kid that yourun around with an imaginary friend and hey,

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mom, put my cape on,so I can, you know,
go from furniture to furniture to furniturenot in the house. And it's like
as we get older, we getin high school and now it's time to
stop dreaming and get out of here. It's now time to start studying to
be a very good employee. Youknow, we're gonna you know, public

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transportation back and forth. If you'renot using your parents as school, you
know, we get a couple ofrecesses. Those are called breaks, and
then instead of grades, we nowget a paycheck and guess what, you
need a lunch, so we'll throwthat in there. And so a majority
of the world that is gainfully employedjust doesn't realize that they're in the same

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cog. So you know, ifyou look at anything in the world,
whether it's a nonprofit or a companygoing stock, everything works because of the
massive people in it. That's howuniversity has worked, That's how the school
system work. So someone turned aroundand said, why would you want to
get in school and get in educationwhen there's only one valve Victorian a year.

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What a stupid comment. That's It'slike, that's one of the best
respon in the world. That's wheneverything in the world works that way.
I want to give you credit forthat. That's one of the best responses
I heard because when I always whenyou look at it, one of the
main arguments for why not to joinnetwork marketing is well that only the top
percent are making a couple of milliondollars here and there, right, And

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my view was, what about thefamily that's bringing in an extra five hundred
dollars a month. Did they fail, Dominic? Do is that failure?
So I want to go back toyour role. Yeah, you've got an
organization of thirty thousand and you're atthe top, and I don't. There's
what I know. This is whatI know know. The thirty thousand doesn't

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do all the work, and ifpeople really looked at it, it's the
people at the top who are doingall the work. I really wish people
understood in the network marketing space thatthose who are at at the top of
their air quotes pyramid, who makethe money, they're the ones who are
absolutely working harder than everyone else.Talk about your leadership, role, your
responsibility, because what I do wantto talk about that a lot of people

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won't do is you also get theblame. I don't know if you've ever
heard it or if you got itpublicly, but typically the men and women
who are in your position also arethe Robert is the reason I failed because
he wouldn't give me this attention.Of this time, I've heard so many
others at the top who are like, wait a second, you know I
poured myself into you and then youand blame it on me. I want

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to talk about the responsibility of beingat the top of that air quotes pyramid,
because no one talks about how hardit is, talk about that labor.
Yeah, well, my responsibility isto do exactly what my mentor did.
And I think that your listeners andmaybe even you will hear some uniqueness,
a difference from me than what Iseen in the rest of the world

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of even network marketing. When peopletell me negative things about network marketing,
I usually say, everything that youheard is true, and they go,
well, what do you mean,And I said, well, listen,
you know, if you got ajob, the very first thing that they're
going to do is teach you howto do that job, all right.

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And what I do is, insteadof train people, I show people.
I show them exactly how to connectwith another human being, because you want
to connect with people before you evenget close to asking them to look at
some information, because if you don't, if you don't care, people don't
know what you know. They careif you like them or not, so

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they can tell immediately. And whatI do is I don't mind sharing my
secrets to the world because we gotto change that. So Dominic I would
reach out and connect with you coldlike I did thirty seven years ago.
And the first thing I'm going todo is give you a gift. I'm
just gonna say, hey, Dominic, I love connecting with people. I
hope this message finds you and yearsblessed. I hope you're having the best

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year ever. And the way Iconnect with people will is by giving you
a gift. And what I dois I send them a link to what
my mentor gave me. And that'sthe greatest miracle in the world by aug
Mandino. And when I give themthat book, this book took me,
took me from the person that didn'tfeel enough, didn't feel worthy. You

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know, dyslexic, special in school, have a criminal record. There was
a million reasons why I couldn't dothis. I was introverted, you know,
you know, a mechanic there,they're they're not real social butterflies.
And so my mentor knew I hadthis excuse mentality, broke itis, victim.

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You know, I didn't have amother and father. You know,
just let me tell you my bullshitstory. That's reality for me right now.
And so he is deal. Ididn't know this at the time dominic.
But he said, listen, Idid you go to the bookstore again?
Like you said, we live atdifferent times, and I went to

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the bookstore, grabbed it, andI read it, and it emotionally changed
me in a blink of an eyebecause I now knew that I needed to
procraim my uniqueness. You know,I was created and no one else has
my DNA, and I'm a miracle. I'm a flat out miracle. And

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I have an imaginary friend that peoplehave different names for that that is connected
to me, and they got meinto doing this business. So when you
say the responsibility, there's numbers outthere where you know, I love bullshit
stuff too. You know, it'slike, what's that one phrase that seventy
percent of all made up facts andfigures are not true? Right? I

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know, I know you're going,I've heard that before too, right,
Right and so and so my mentorknew that if he couldn't change the story
I was telling myself because there's thisthing, you know, Tony Robbins,
and some people are like, youknow, twenty percent mentality. The rest
is a game plan, the restis action. Again, all this stuff,

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I know one thing for a fact, if you don't find a way
to love yourself and believe that youhave something of offering to another person for
a connection, you're fucked. Peopledon't get what you're saying. And it
took me a long time to understandit to where I was sitting in a
seminar once and the the instructor wastrying to answer questions, which has always

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bothered me. Right, I wantto know the methods always, like if
I sat there, I described networkmarketing as if if I was trained the
way that people, many, many, many people are training network marketing as
a copy, it would have beenhere's your badge, use your gun,
go out and fare figure it out. And that's sadly how network marketing is.
So I used to I used toask, I used to meet these

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millionaires a stad and go, howdo you how did you make your money?
Well? I just talk to threepeople a day. Okay, what'd
you say? I just talked tothree people a day. Did you interrupt
them at dinner? Did you goto jewel well at the grocery store?
And I used to get these panicattacks because I would overthink, all right,
well it's five o'clock over on theEast coast, and I can't interrupt

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them because it's a drying time homethis so but it finally hit me that
people, people don't understand this.This guy was asking, was trying to
answer the same question of the girlhad, and I'm like, man,
I asked this question years ago.You're never gonna get the answers. And
he kept going, you's got tobelieve in yourself. You's got to believe.
You gotta believe believe. And thenI went, wait a second,
Holy shit. When I first learnedhow to drive, it was hands at

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ten and two. Look in yourrear view mirror every seven seconds, one
hundred feet before you turn, yougotta hit the signal. Right now,
I'm so used to driving because I'vedone it so many times, over corrected
to steers, slid on ice,panicked in the rain, a car accident
here or there. But I'm sogood at what I do. I believe

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in my ability to drive. Iget in the car, I know I
have the ability to drive. Ican navigate a tornado and a pothole field
while I'm coming traffic is dumping stuffwithout a problem. And I went,
oh my god, there's the answer. When you actually believe in the industry,
in your business and in yourself,all the questions answers just appear.

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Well, what time of day shouldI call this person? Get a feel
for it, reach out, You'regonna know what to say. What you
talked about is so true, changingyour story, believing it. The problem
that the industry, that a lotof people in the industry have is they
they limit it at their meaning.They think all they do is change your

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story this net. Where does thework come in? Because I don't think
you're an eight figure earner just bybeing an incredibly positive, influential man who's
got a great disposition on life.You had to have worked, right,
You did work in this yes,So why do people accept that the first
two weeks of this industry I almostquit. I love telling this story because

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this was another pinnacle for me.This guy was in water filters. The
company was called the NSA. It'snow called Juice Plus, which is my
company. What that's I've been withjus plus since twenty twenty eleven, twenty
twelve. Now now just a sidebar, all right. Bill Gould was sponsored
by My My Upline. Bill Gouldwas sponsored by Jeffer Bertie. Jeffer Bertie

(30:59):
was the man. Didn't he quittoo. The story is that he were
somebody recruited Jeffer Birdie and then quit, and then Roberti became who he was,
and that person was like, oh, I can't believe I did it.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Andso I when I first started this
business, I was learning from JefferBerty wow. Wow, and not not
via internet. I was watching himmake phone calls. Wow. So what

(31:26):
we did the whole thing back thenwas it was all about sorting. Everything's
about sorting. So what I believeand still believe to this day is Jeffer
Berti is one of the people Ilook up to to this day. And
the other guy is a guy namedDon Felia. There's people out there,
Dominic. When I say this statement, it's mind shattering that have a million

(31:49):
and a half active people that areon a subscription that pay every month,
million and a half people. Thebiggest group I built was seven hundred and
eighty five thousand, and so theidea of making it very simple and duplicatable.

(32:12):
So when I met people, Here'swhere I get my belief from,
you know, reading that book,and then I did the assignment in the
book and I just every night beforeI went to bed, I read chapter
nine and all of a sudden,I don't give a rip about people's opinions.
If other people did this, Ican do this. God's not a
discerner of person's and I don't needto be making the money that ye for

(32:34):
Birdie's making. So instead of theone hundred and ten million dollar man,
I just ended up being the sixtymillion dollar man. Much shake a stick
at that, okay? And sowhen you talk about it, we all
talk about this one thing. Whenyou believe in yourself and you really imagine
yourself, you know, walking thescage, getting to five hundred a month

(32:57):
in profit, getting to a granddouble your income, and if other people
did it, you can do it. There's not a thing that anybody else
gets in going back a little bit, why would you get into something and
ask that question, what's the averageperson make? One of my favorite movies
of all time, Dominic is Defendingyour Life with Meryl Street and Albert Brooks.

(33:19):
Yep. And when you watch that, there's a line in it where
Albert Brooks looks at this guy andsays, so I'm coming back and justifying
my life for four times on Earthand the guy goes yeah, and he
goes, is that about average?And I remember the guy going, you're
really concerned about average, are you? Yeah? Rip torn yeah, And

(33:44):
I'm sitting there in my mind goingwow, so does the rest of the
world. Look at the rest ofthe world and go, oh, I
get it. Let me see ifI can dodge as many things as I
can to either getting paid under thetable or getting some kind of government assistance,
and then what I'm going to dois do just as little as possible
to not get fired. And theyreally respect, they really think they deserve

(34:09):
a harvest from that talk about theduplicat ability, because the problem is is
every person who's in a position whereyou're at, you're not duplicatable. You
can't be well, my point isis you are you, and you are
this over the top, joyful,very positive, addictive energy man. And

(34:36):
you know that a lot of peopleare just negative and they're shit and they're
this and that. Are we duplicatingthe business or are we duplicating the person?
Which now now now great great,great, great, great question.
In this industry, there's only threethoughts that go through a person's mind fast
and quick, and I've never forgotthese. So the first thought is who

(34:57):
are you and why in the hellshould I listen to you? Well,
I was top thirty seven years ago, and I'll tell you something I did
yesterday that you'll see I'm still doingthe same thing. So me, I
would open my mouth up and say, hey, Dominic, you know anyone
that would like to make six figuresa year? And you'd go, what
is this? I go, whyare you interested? Well, it depends

(35:20):
on what it is, and Igo listen. You're going to hear and
learn directly from Dominic. I'm anunemployed auto mechanics. I'm workman cop.
You could say. If you're notthat, you could say, listen,
in this industry of doing affiliate marketingand online monetizing my life, I'm not

(35:40):
making the money that I'd even beproud to tell you about. See,
no one will humble theirselves when weall know that you're supposed to go out
two by two and you're not aprofit in your own hometown. When Peter
goes to Petertown, he'd better betalking about Paul. And so to show

(36:01):
you that I'm still doing this todayis like, hey, okay, Donick
I'm going to introduce you to JefferBirdie. And Jeffer Birdie is he's documented,
he's done this, he's done this. I'd rather you get connected with
him through a video or audio thanlistening to me. The second thing is
people want to know immediately, well, what is this? Okay, So

(36:22):
Dominic's made a lot of money twentyyears, he's made millions, what does
he do? And again, ina theoretical example an example, if you
can get people to imagine and thethings that they need to do to get
make sure that they're not charged ona monthly basis. So my first goal,
if you don't listen to me anddon't do what I tell you to

(36:44):
do, then you're it's going tocost you. And maybe the products are
good enough you just are a satisfiedcustomer. But if you want to make
money, we got to get youin profit. And when you look at
your theoretical example of your company,get with some of that's made money and
they'll know exact exactly how many peoplethat you need on subscription to be in

(37:05):
profit every month. Well, fromthere you go into more profit every month.
So the second one is what doyou do? The last thing is
in their mind. They're going,I don't know if I can do this.
You know what I mean, whatexactly do you do? And here's
my training. I can give youmy whole training right now. Have you
ever in your life clicked on avideo and as you're watching it, it

(37:28):
moved you on an emotional level,It made you cry, made you laugh,
maybe even maybe got you upset alittle bit, whatever that is.
Have you ever watched a video onlineand immediately went, I need to share
this with Dominic, I need toshare this with my wife, Terry,
I need to share this with myson. So you're trained. I can't

(37:50):
understand why so many people have sucha hard time understanding that the business And
that's not my method because I alllike hans On right, But here's what
you just said is beyond true.The companies that we work for do all
of the work with promotion. Ohmy god. They create the best materials
in the world. And literally,if you in it and it becomes an

(38:14):
average law of averages, right,you send it to one hundred people,
tend can get involved. But thehardest part people have is bridging the gap
to get people to see right,to watch a video and whatnot. I
kind of want to go there whenyou're in a day and age, in
a day and age where it's soeasy to just read we have Metcalf's law.

(38:38):
You know, one hundred people,and all of a sudden, my
network is one hundred and one people. All this. Yeah, how do
we have such an excuse for peoplewho do this industry for two months?
Well, excuse me, they doit for a total of three hours of
the course of two months. Quentinsay this business is a scam when literally

(38:58):
all it is is it's a lawof averages. Push send somebody this video.
They will either see value in yourproduct or not. Do not take
it personally, move on to thenext person. At the very bare minimum
of what MLM is, a personcould make a tremendous amount of money if
they spend all of their time sendingout what the company has already made.

(39:21):
I like making it worse for myself. I love the pitch, I love
the clothes, I love the objectionhandling, I love all that stuff.
I love the sales aspect. Butwhat you just described is exactly what this
industry is. If it's it's thatsimple, and I'll tell you, I
tell you network marketing didn't come upwith us. You guys. I don't
know if you watch mad Men,but listen to this. You know,

(39:42):
we all hear two stories about thesuper Bowl. You know, I can't
wait to watch the super Bowl.The top athletes in the world get to
compete against each other get that prizeat super Bowl trophy that ring. Ah,
yeah, right, okay. Butthere's another group of people that watch
the super Bowl and they say,Wow, the reason I watched the super
bowls for the commercials. What thehell is a commercial advertising? A commercial

(40:08):
is a short thing that they putin front of you. And there's gonna
be a large group of people watchingthis video. One group's not paying attention.
They missed it. They went tothe bathroom. Another group looked at
it and went, that's bullshit,that's bullshit. I'm not interested. The

(40:29):
other people look at it and go, wow, that's really interesting. And
as soon as they think about interesting, they thought of something else and they
lost it. And the other groupof people went wait, pause. They
rewound it and said what's that again, and they looked it up on their
phone and freaking hurt something. Theygot the service they did whatever. If

(40:55):
no one ran commercials. Why isit that I've seen some large corporations on
their financial statement dominic that they dedicatethirty percent of their gross income on doing
advertising. Can you imagine? Ican't imagine owning a business and spending thirty
percent not to the other seventy sevenpercent is not yours. You still have

(41:19):
to cover your costs, production,all that, but thirty percent goes out
into truck. There's no guarantee totry to get one to three percent return
on that. And people say MLMis a scam, okay please, and
so there it is. So it'smy job. You asked a while ago,
what is Robert Hollis's responsibility? Myresponsibility is to create the best short

(41:45):
videos that they can use. Andso here I've been in the company for
six years, been very blessed todo so well, have people all over
the world. And guess what Idid yesterday. I called up the owner
of the company and I said,listen, I want to do a zoom
with you. He goes, whatdo you want me to do? I

(42:06):
said, I'm going to introduce youas an incredible human being. Then I
would like you to do a presentationfor me. And he goes, like
I did six years ago. Isaid, yeah, it's just going to
be an updated one, and hegoes, nobody listen to this. The
visionary owner of the company has allthese leaders in the group that have such

(42:30):
a big ego. I'm the deal. I'm the deal. I've been in
this company for six years and I'venever done a business presentation because the floor
first one is why should I listento you? I'm going you shouldn't.

(42:51):
You should listen to this guy.He's the visionary owner of the company.
So dominic I had him do thepresentation. Then I said something in a
little clothe and now I got adedicated zoom done by the visionary of the
company, and I teach people topoint, guide and direct. I'm not
interested in being the deal. I'minterested in doing something that's duplicato ball.

(43:16):
You're leveraging a system which is thefoundation of what we do, and you're
the lightning rod. And it goesback. Like I said in the beginning,
I have a good bullshit meter.You're not giving it off right and
normally one of the things that Iwanted to ask, like when I started
prep for today a little bit,was you're still involved with the industry.

(43:37):
It's been over thirty years, right, I love it more than I ever
had. Okay, So why ifI ever interviewed him, I would ask
Eric Warri, if you believe inthis industry so much, why do you
teach it? And why are younot a part of it? So you
still are? You're in this industry, why haven't you cashed You've made your
money eight figures? Why haven't youcashed it? In't just said you know

(44:00):
what, I'm gonna start giving outseminars and this way I don't have to
deal with the headache anymore. Andthe recruiting. You're still doing it.
Go okay, you dominic. Nowyou're getting honestly. We said we'd be
bold, we'd be honest. You'reright now talking about my biggest pet peeve
in the world. Go ahead,okay, Because in my thoughts, when

(44:22):
you're not in the field and you'renot working it and building it every day,
you don't know what works today.The things I used to do six
months ago is different than the thingthat I do today now. Isn't this
weird that you know iPhone came outwith the new iPhone, I got it,

(44:44):
this microphone, this computer, mynew laptop, every time something upgrades,
my TV, my cars. I'mconstantly upgrading because I love to have
the best stuff out there. Andthen I run into all these people that
are teaching network marketing that haven't builta group in five ten years, and

(45:04):
no one really knows. I know, I know what their best year was,
and I'm going like, so here'swhat happens in the industry, just
being nice to them. And whenyou're really have faith and you believe that
this is working and you're going tofind the people and I even have a

(45:25):
way to find the right people.Is when you find the right people and
it blows up. Sometimes you workreally really hard for no pay or little
pay, but then it switches theying and yang, and when the tipping
point happens, then all of asudden, you're getting paid more money and
you're not doing a lot of work. You're doing the same work you did

(45:46):
before, but it just starts doingthis geometric progression. So most of the
people that train are people that hadthat happen there were ignorance on fire,
they wouldn't be being the deal promotingsomeone that had already done it, and
magic happened, and then their egogotten away. So now I'm not going

(46:07):
to put anybody in front of Dominickanymore. I'm be honest with you,
I'm way better than Dominic. SoI'm going to do the presentation. You
haven't even hit a rank yet,you haven't been you got no Yeah,
I'm going to be a life coach. I am going to do some blogs.
I'm gonna, you know, bringin leads. I'm just going to

(46:28):
be the celebrity and an influencer andI'm just like going, Man, if
you made the money I made,you would have never done that. So
what happened is they then built theirego, started being the deal forgot about
the system, and now, unfortunatelyDominic, they got to change companies.
Oh God, please continue, pleasecontinue. I swear I talk about this

(46:52):
NonStop. Where it is I don'tunderstand. It seems to be one the
biggest pet peeves I have is peopleleave whatever company they're with to go for
the new one. And my storyis very, very simil I was with
Juice Plus he started twenty eleven.Eight years later. I got a little
bit of a hair up my assbecause at the time, the corporate would

(47:16):
didn't want social media being used,and I had a very big social media
presence. So I backed away fromMLM for a while. I went under
another company that had just opened up. I learned some of the things I
didn't know before. I became verygood the second I realized, we why
am I afraid of selling? I'ma cop. My job is to sell

(47:38):
the idea of putting your hands behindyour back and think it's the greatest thing
in the world. And I'm phenomenalat that. So the second I went,
man, I'm great at sales.I chose to go back to Juice
Plus because I went I really believed, because it was the writings of the
wall. It's fifty two years old, it's unbelievably established. I truly believe

(48:00):
even the product. All this anda year after I left the other company,
year and a half, the companyclosed down, and I started to
notice so nice. Well, whatI started to notice is this is what
people do. And two of thetop earners with that company talked about we
came in our first week and wewere we became a black diamond, and
I really, I really went offon that, and I said, well,

(48:22):
now talk about the fact that youknew the company was going to open
a year beforehand, you got allyour people ready and dump. Why do
the gurus jump in, recruit everybodywith the new opportunity that's coming on,
and then leave go to the nextcompany, pied Piper all our people and
say we made it, we didit, we know you ranked. They

(48:42):
didn't rank. They're still making nothing. Listening to your shit. Why you're
you're you're clearly you have an issuewith that too, talk about that,
poce. Yeah. Yeah. Andso now now when they go to another
company and bring a whole group overthat they had with the other company of
people that know like and trust themand following them and on their email list
everything. Now when they bring thatover, they still didn't learn the fundamentals

(49:07):
of the business. So now itdoesn't click the way it did before when
they were not the deal. Nowthey're the deal. So that's when the
next step is, oh my god, it's not building. I can't keep
going for going to company to company, a company getting a deal a lot
of money and not giving it toanybody that comes in my group. And

(49:27):
so as soon as they try tohit their third and fourth month, which
that's why companies are not stupid.Most money that is paid out to a
distributor for making that kind of moveis as a one payment, and then
if you maintain a certain volume forthree months, then you get some more.
So they do this thing at thefirst month, then it stops on

(49:51):
the second month and goes down inthe third. So now they're not going
to get the money. So theonly way they can get money is again
is they said, I hit thisrink with this company, and now they
go to another company and do thedeal and do it all over again.
Are you this transparent with your withyour team with people come in and it
does? Does does Robert Hollis?Does he work for his team? Meaning

(50:13):
you know most people at the otherI was blessed and I talk about her
is what it is. But everybody, all of us, would anybody who
ever wanted to get to know jesseLee Ward, she would get to know
you give out her number, allthis stuff. That woman worked for her
team she did, I do.So if you do it, why why
do you do it? You've hadmore time in the industry than she does.

(50:34):
Like people, I love people.I still believe to this day and
and this is my hallucination. Thisis what I create, My own story,
in my own head, with myown imagination, is I did one
of those things when I got downon my knee and I asked for help,
and I just very simply said,wow, you know, listen,
if you get me out of this, I'll spend the rest of my life

(50:55):
getting other people out of this.And God is more than delivered on his
end. And so I have thisthought that if I let off the gas,
then I'm not going to do thatlast thing that I told you about,
Jim Rowan. I want to createa legacy for my children and my

(51:15):
grandchildren, and I just want todo my best. My middle son,
Matthews thirty two, and none ofmy family have ever ever had a job.
They're part of the corporation and thetrust. They get paid. I
take care of the taxes, andthey need to find out what they really

(51:37):
love. Well, what they lovebecause I've been doing that, is they
love helping me. Why is itthat it's so hard for people to see
that. Yes, the business modelwe sell, we recruit, that's on
paper, right, and we haveour businesses happen to be able with a
phenomenal company, phenomenal product or nervousBut when it really boils down to it.

(52:02):
How do people just not understand thatthis is a business of serving others.
You are literally, I don't careif you're teaching somebody's sales skills.
We know those skills can translate anyanywhere in life. We show people when
they get their first sale or theirfirst recruits, it's a it's a massive
win for them, and it isit's a benchmark. These are people skills

(52:27):
that we are facilitating our skill setto help them improve their lives. Are
we just not when you really stripit down to its bare core in the
industry of helping people improve their ownlives? What people do, though,
is this whole concept. They treatingit like a lottery. You throw a
bunch of spaghetti against the wail andsee what sticks. That was not the

(52:51):
way I was brought in the business, and so I was sharing my story
where the first two weeks, youknow, I wanted to quit. I
didn't want to do this, andone of the people above me, I
was like seven levels deep on JeffBERBIRDI and someone said if I don't go
to the Western Bonadventure and go tothis convention, that they wasn't going to
work with me. Anymore, andDominic I didn't have the money to do

(53:14):
that. I didn't even have themoney for parking. And I went there.
And the more you probably never heardsomeone say this, the more people
walked across the stage and told theirstory, the more pissed off I got,
because in my mind, I'm going, am I the lone idiot?
I must be the lone idiot thatthese people are walking. And then the

(53:36):
one that put the nail on thecoffin was a mid Eastern guy and he
comes across the stage and says,my name is Mohammad. I've been in
company for six months. I getnew Mercedes, building new home. And
I wanted to punch him in theface. I'm just I was like,
what the hell? And so Irespectfully waited for him. Is down line

(54:00):
was there, his upline was there. They're giving him flowers. And I
walked up to him as simple asto me, and I said, congratulations
on your success. Could you pleaseplease please help me? And he goes
absolutely, and I said, whatdo you do? He says, I
walk up to people and say,hey, you want to make more money?
Yes, no, very easy question. And I'm going, please God,

(54:24):
it can't stop this, you knowwhat I mean? And I said,
what if they ask you a question? He says, I look at
them, and I say, youanswered my question first. Do you want
to make more money? Yes?No? And I said, okay,
I'm going to fall for it.Yes, and he goes, great,
you need to meet and you needto talk about your money person. At

(54:47):
that time, he said money man. Guess who his money man was,
Jeffer Birdy. Okay. So I'mall of a sudden going, wait a
minute, this is the way Ido the business. It's numbers, it's
sorting. You know, anyone canopen up an apple and count the seeds
in an apple, but only Godknows how many apples is in each seed.

(55:14):
You don't know who's going to dothis business. And so that's when
all of a sudden, he said, listen, you call Monday. You
call a Juice plus. You askedBill and Jeff to give you a call,
and the company will get them tocall you. And I go,
why would they talk to me?And he said, because you want to
talk to that good point? Iwent, damn, And I called up

(55:38):
Bill weled this guy told me,hey, drive to San Diego. I
had to borrow some money for us. They stayed in my car, and
now I got to see how thisbusiness really works. And we're in a
day and age now where it's notpossible. There were not that many hours
in the day for people to sitthere all the way down to one hundredth

(55:58):
levels say hey, I'm an getyou in touch with Robert Hollis even if
you're able to do that, whichit seems like you are. But now
we have technology, and now wehave videos, and now we have zoom
conferences, and it's so much easiernow than it was years and years and
years ago. I'm for the people, for the people dominic that are listening
to this, that are in yourorganization. Dominic works for you. And

(56:24):
the reason that you said, well, Robert, you have thirty thousand people
in your group, how can youhelp them all? Well, we talked
at the point about there's only lessthan one percent of people that'll even reach
out to me, right, soI'm telling them what to do. You
know, I'm saying, listen,read this book for me and get back
to me. I found out laterthat that was something that rich Snackenberger taught

(56:50):
Earlschulf that taught Jim Rowan that taughtLarry Huff and Larry Thompson that taught jeffer
verg imbegal. There was always somethingthat was very simple to do, simpler
not to do. But that's howI measure who I'm gonna work with their
ability to follow instructions. How doesthat? We're running out of time here,

(57:15):
so I want to ask a couplemore questions because I can talk to
you all damn day. You know, with the gravity of your persona what
typically happens is like like a giantplanet or a sun, you pull people
in towards you. And again,part of the reason the network marketing that
does have a problem is there's thebusiness and it does cross into personal when

(57:39):
it comes to community and culture.How do you personally navigate? Let me,
I'm gonna I'm gonna be blunt.There's no way that a man like
you is worth what you're worth.And you don't have the ability to flip
that switch and be jag off whenyou need to for business sake, you
have it. You can't. Sowhen people see this this genuous, you're

(58:02):
not. I don't think you're disingenuousat all. When they see this genuine
persona of warmth and energy, andthey're like, oh, I want to
do the business. I'm gonna doeverything for Robert's sake, and blah blah
blah blah. And then they don'tduplicate, and now all of a sudden
they blame you because you're not matchingthat person. How do you navigate that?
Because that's where a majority of theanti MLM community comes from and where

(58:24):
they spew their age. Realizes theywere up at the top and they all
have the same story. I wasthe top twenty five percent of my company.
I made this money. This personwas my mentor. Then why did
you quit? It was purely fora personal reason. Why did you quit?
So how do you navigate that?When you clearly pour yourself into your

(58:45):
people, they turn around, there'sthe betrayal of the backstabbing, this and
that after you've spent months, years, how long pouring into them. How
do you navigate that problem? Well, because of the way that I bring
people into the business. Here's somethingcrazy I really tell my people all the
time is I've helped sixty seven peopleearn over a million in commissions. And

(59:08):
listen to this dominick. Nine ofthem, nine of them own their own
network marketing company. So if you'veheard of a small company called ACN oh
yeah, yeah. I off anewspaper ad. I told a girl named
Lynn Martinez to come down, andwhen she said she didn't have any money,

(59:30):
I said, don't worry about thatright now, I'll show you how
to make this business work without investinga dime. Introduce me to your best
person, and that at that timewas Mike Koopis and his twin brother Tony,
and the rest is history. Andman, I back there in the
day with no Internet, I flewto Michigan and I moved into their apartment

(59:52):
and did exactly what Bill Gold andJeffer Berdi did with me. And so,
like you said, we can doit on line. Like, here's
the crazy thing of what I dois I actually show people what to do.
They log on. I do it. Ask me anything every Saturday is
generic and I do it on YouTubeand I just tell people listen, ask

(01:00:13):
me any question, and I willshow people what I do and how I
connect with people online, how I'llget them to respond. And then after
they respond, I asked them tovery simply do me a huge favor.
Watch this short video and if youknow anyone that would need to make extra
money, I can make sure you'recompensated for that. And so my biggest

(01:00:36):
magic when we do another and Ifreed up my time to do this.
But here's the thing that people don'tdo that my mentor did for me is
he didn't ask me to do thebusiness. He did it for me.
He showed me how to do thisbusiness. Here's the quick story. So

(01:00:57):
he tells me we do the samething. Here's the presentation you watched it?
Would you like most dominic about whatyou see? All right? Ah?
I like the money, I likethe products. I like the concept
of, you know, helping theworld, help in the earth. Okay,
great, Where do you see yourselfgetting started? And usually a company
will have two to three packages thatthey'll recommend to you. And they do

(01:01:19):
that because if you duplicate that you'regoing to be in profit right away,
you got to get a belief check. And so I looked at him and
I said, I don't have anyelectricity. I'm sleeping in my car.
I can't do this. Here's whereeveryone Eric, all of them disagree with
me. Because my mentor looked atme and said, Robert if I could

(01:01:42):
show you how to do this businesswithout you invest in the dime, would
you be interested? I said,hell yeah, And he goes, listen,
I want you to think of aname, and Dominica's we're doing this,
you know, you think of thisname. And I said, he
said, you want Okay, Sothis is positive. They're very very positive.
They're very optimistic. They're also greatjoke tellers and great storytellers. You

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go into a room, they're alreadythere. There's a bunch of people around
them, laughing their ass off.There there. They're the people that are
having the fun at the party.You're already there. The person shows up,
it's like just for a bruce second, everyone you know, like cheers.
You know, it's Domine Domine Dominishere. Okay. They also have

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the sticker the person with the mosttoys wins. Dominic's probably got this on
every vehicle, you see what Imean. So it's the guy that has
you know, nice vehicles. Andthey got a fifth wheel trailer, and
they also got a motor home,and they have a boat, and they
have wave runners and they have quadrunners, and and they're so certaint for

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people that everyone's using their stuff outat the lake and then everybody goes,
where do Dominic go? And it'slike, Dominic back to town. He
took a bunch of five gallon dealsand he's filling it all up with gas.
Wait, we're using his toys andhe's going to get more gas.
So people continue to play with thetoys there. They give to charity.

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They're always optimistic. They're just thesepeople that will give you the shirt off
their back. When Bill got donetelling me that story, Dominic, I
said Rick, and he goes whyand I said, well, his father
owned a plumbing company. He's workedfor him, you know, since he
was in pag I mean diapers,and his dad got sick and he took
over the business. Rick's the guyyou just explained. And he goes,

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Okay, now listen, I'm goingto call Rick for you, and this
is what I'm going to say.If you're okay, Hey, Rick,
this is Bill. I know youdon't know me, but I'm sitting here
with your friend Robert. When Igave him a bunch of things that I
was looking for in an individual,the first name that came up was you
Rick. Based off his recommend Ilike to share with you what we're doing,

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because I know for a fact youknow people we could help. He
says, if that's all, Isaid to Rick, would you give me
his number? And I said yeah, he said, give me the number.
I watched him pick up the phone. Dominic. He calls my cousin
Rick, And when he called him, all I heard him say was okay,
okay. He goes, you gota pen and paper. He gave

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the Rick the address, and Rick'son his way down. On the scale
of one to ten, where ismy head? I'm like, I'm done
financially. So Rickshaw comes down,watches the presentation on VHS tape, and

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Bill asked him, you know wouldyou like most? He said, the
money. He says, I'm alwayslooking for a way to do more.
And he says, what package youwant to start at and back in those
days to come in as a directdistributor is fred and sixty five dollars attack
and freight. He says, I'mcoming in as a direct He goes,

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great, fill out this application,this order farm. Now here's the difference
that my mentors did to me.He goes, Robert, can I see
you in the other room? Isaid yeah. He says Rick's filling out
that application at the bottom it's goingto ask who to sponsor. Is you're
not in the system, And Iwent. He goes, do you want

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me to sign him under me?And I go, no, he's my
person. And he goes, well, you need thirty five dollars for the
application fee and the distributor cat andI went, hang on, Dominic.
I went out to Rick, thirtyfive bucks. Yeah, Rick goes,
no problem, opens up his billof fauld handed me forty dollars. You
know. I went back to Billand he goes, great, he says,

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we have another problem. I'm going, are you kidding me? He
says, well, there's a rebateback when he does that order. There's
a rebate back that comes at fortyfour percent. So that's come to me
because you're not a direct mm hmm. And I went, I can't believe
not knowing this industry at all,never heard of network marketing, never heard

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of am I never heard of it, out of this stuff. And I
looked at him and I said,is it possible that you could hold that
order? And I went and Ipawned my snap on to abot blows me
away. When people it's the vision, like you had said in the beginning,
right when you see it? Howmany? How many times? Yet

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like it used to be a hardclose where people would say, uh,
you're out of the money. AndI would tell people all the time,
Hey, listen, if I toldyou I make twenty five thousand dollars a
week and I'm going to quit thecompany and I'm going to sell you my
spot, You'll make indefinitely twenty fivegrand a week for the next fifty years
if you want. But I'm goingto sell it you for five grand?
Could you come up with that money? Oh? Yeah, easily. I
would go asking both ray Yeah blowsgray, great line, dominant blows me

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away. That was masterful. Theydon't understand the vision, but it's it's
crazy. Listen, Rick, Rick, that's now, Robert, I did
you say I was rich? Yeah, that too, Well, you're wearing
wealthy and knowledge. The the theenergy is is a balance. And one
of the why I love people likeyou is that's not my forte. I'm

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not somebody who does the positive andthe sunshine and the rainbows. I'm very
much in the Listen. Let's talkabout cold calling. Let's talk about objection
handing, sales skills. So Ido these podcasts for my sake because it
revitalizes having listening to you revitalizes that. Man, I could do both.

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I don't have to be a hardnose, you know, hard ass on
this. I have to find theincorporating of both sides of this. And
again, like I said, itgoes up to the bullshit meter. I
don't smell anything coming off of you. That's oh yeah, I've heard this
ship before. But but it isso awesome seeing some thirty years gosh eight

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figure owner who's still doing the businessand not the whole I'm going to teach
now and do the Oh this isgreat. How can people how can they
get involved with you? How canthey work with you? How can they
follow you and just watch and siton the sidelines for a while. How
can they Yeah, the best thingfor them to do is I'll give them

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a copy of my best selling book. How is that working? They just
have to go to Robert Hollis dotcom forward slash Free And if you don't
even want to do that, thenjust go to my YouTube channel. It's
Robert Hollis on YouTube. I justwent over two thousand videos, got a
little over a million views. Ijust love serving people all this stuff.

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All my stuff is free. Itis totally free. And it's also a
lot of it is generic, reallyreally generic. And I always tell people
all the time, it's here's somethingdominic that I think that you know you
and I continue to serve the worldand help each other. Is ninety five
percent of the people that will watchthis, ninety five percent of them are
not sales types. So that meansand I mean non sales types. This

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is how I figure him out.Hey, do you know of anyone that
owes you money and you don't evenhave these stones to ask for it back?
That's a non sales type. Butif you let them know that,
you're in their back pocket and allthey got to do is send out messages
to send people gifts, they geta response. As soon as they get

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a response, and that person startsasking questions, just say, hey,
is it okay? If I putyou in a group chat with Robert Hollis,
the guy that was on the video, and people are going, are
you freaking kidding me? You don'tknow him. Yeah, I'll reach out
to him right now. And whenI get in there and I say,
hey, listen, I'm here tohelp you answer any questions and show you

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how to do this. I don'tcare what company you are with. They
It's like you said, there's twogroups of leaders out there. There's the
documented people. And I don't knowif you knew this, dominic, but
you ever heard the phrase documentation beatsconversation. No, my mentors had it.
I own the patent to it,documentation beats conversation. So I'm really

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controversial in the network marketing world becausethe very first video that I have people
share is me logging into my Connecticutcredit Union bank account, and people go,
you're not allowed to show income.Now, you're not allowed to tell
people that if they do nothing,they can make that income. Correct.

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Correct? I want to point ona number people they this is work,
and it's and it's and it's connectingwith people, connecting with people, connecting
with people. Sixty seven you havemade sixty seven people a million dollars plus,
which is contributed to your So outof the thirty thousand, sixty seven

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is a small number, but youhave to think about that. If somebody
if so, your your net worthis eight figures. And I need you
people to understand this. If youkeep helping people to change their lives,
and you and you make one youhelp two people reach a million dollars.
I would like to think that that'sgoing to be a nice little chunk of
change coming into your household every month. So I don't I don't get if

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somebody makes an extra thousand hours amonth, ten thousand hours a month,
ten thousand dollars a year. Howis this business a fucking scam? I
will never understand that. I'll neverd Yeah, it it isn't it's it's
uh. It's people again focusing onthe negative. If they focus on the
you know, it's like, well, how many people in the United States
are in poverty? I don't wantto be there, right, And you

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have an opportunity and an answer thatdoes how many people want the job working
forty hours you know a week,and work forty years and then retire on
forty percent of your Hey, I'mgonna opt out of that too, Dominic.
Robert Hollis, Robert Hollis dot com. I cannot thank you enough for
your time. This was fantastic,guys. I hope you enjoy this series.

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You're gonna have him, mister Hollisback on. This is gonna be
very exciting, the bull of MLMnetwork marketing warfare. We are going to
change this industry with men like thisleading the way. Robert, thank you
for your time. See you guysin the next episode. God bless him.