Leaving MLM with Clarity with Bre Bear

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Episode Transcript

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M all right, We're back foranother episode of The Bull of MLM Network

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Marketing Warfare. Had to change myintro because as much as I love the
Imperial March, I just stop thinkingit too fitting, the full of sound
effects or whatever. This is theBull of MLM Network Marketing Warfare podcast.
The purpose of this podcast is totalk all about the network marketing industry MLM
multi level marketing. Some people havea confused with affiliate marketing. I love

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to have great, awesome conversations withpeople who agree with me disagree with me,
just because the industry's got I wouldsay a nation or a reputation that
some people just don't like or whatnot. Myself included for a while,
so I have awesome people on hisguests. This one has taken me a
while in the book, and I'mvery very very thankful for your time.
But Bree Bear from the Breebear overon Instagram and YouTube, your channel came

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out of nowhere. Your videos cameup. I watched them and I'm like,
oh my god, I've got fromyour first video. I'm like,
I have to get this woman outas a guest. So a thank you
for taking the time out to jointoday be We're gonna just jump right into
it to give everybody a three hundredand sixty degree view of who you are.
All right, awesome, So thanksfor having me Dominic. I appreciate

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it. So I go by Bree. My full name is Brianne, but
people always call me Breen, soBree is just easier, but it is
Brianne. And I am a thirtyfour year old mom almost thirty five,
so almost I think that's middle aged. I have three kids. I live
in Maine, in the middle ofnowhere, kind of a romane. I

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used to be a nurse. Iwas a nurse while I was a CNA
for years when it became an RN. I have a bachelor's degree. Last
well, I didn't lose my nursinglicense, but I got into some trouble
when I was an addict. SoI became an addict actually at the same
time that I was a nurse.Struggled with addiction only for about three or

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four years. And I say onlybecause I am unfortunately one of the lucky
ones that a it didn't take andbe got out of it with you know,
less than half a decade of activeaddiction. So I quit nursing and
got pregnant, and during my pregnancyI ended up looking online. This was

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like twenty fifteen, and I foundnetwork marketing, and so I took all
the experience that I had from nursing, which is you have experience in everything.
You're a plumber, you're a waitress, you're you know, the phone,
the secretary, you are doing itall for all kinds of different people.

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So I took that experience with peoplebasically and just really poured it into
network marketing. And I was awfulat first, like probably most people are.
I didn't do well. Excuse mefor my first two companies, I
would say, and then I joineda third one, and I also started

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a weight lost journey at the sametime. This was in twenty eighteen,
and I started losing weight and itstuck. I just it all happened.
At the same time I go intomy weight lost journey, I start becoming
successful with network marketing. Finally,after like three dedicated years of struggling.

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I'm like the girl that was onwelfare. I have been dirt floor poor,
I have been homeless. I havelived in my car, so I
I've seen the bottom of the bottom. I've been to jail. I've been
addicted. I've been an IV user, and I have also been, you

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know, at the top of networkmarketing, not the tippy top, but
I you know, was in Ithink probably the top point five percent.
And I've seen it all and Idecided last no, my goodness, twenty
twenty two, no twenty twenty one. So almost two years ago, I
actually walked away from network marketing ina position where most people would be like,

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bitch, you are insane. Whywould you walk away from that much
money, that big of a team, But I did. I walked away
in December of or December twenty one, early twenty two, and I haven't
gone back to the industry. Idon't particularly plan on it. So I

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started making videos. In February ofthis year. I stumbled upon anti MLM
actually in that kind of transition phaseout of network marketing. But I didn't
even know that these kind of creatorsexisted until I was like two or three
months into my what I call myhealing from MLM journey, and I discovered

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a lady who I was on ateam with in prove It and started watching
her content, and it just likesome of the things stuck with me.
Now, I don't. I takewhat resonates and I leave what doesn't as
far as any creator you know,and it helped, it did, it

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helped. And so as time wenton, I start seeing these other creators
popping up, and I start seeingjust incredibly toxic, harmful, shitty things
being said and promoted, and theway that they're acting is so just very
judgy and self righteous. And soI think, um, like you,

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I am one of those people thatI don't care to speak like. It
doesn't bother me to speak out,to say my truth to you know,
tell people what I've been through,where I've been. And I just started
making videos and upset some people.Um I'm still making them. I'm in
the middle of editing one that istaking forever. But and I'm not going

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to stop. I'm probably not goingto focus on anti MLM forever. Um.
But that's where I started my YouTubejourney. So it's only been a
couple of months. And I likeYouTube. I like it. Yeah,
YouTube is it YouTube? It hasits ups and down. I have a
couple of channels on YouTube I've beenin for over ten years. It's got
a subs and downs. I findit so fascinating. While you're talking,

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um, there's there's similarities. Wewere both another profession to you were nurse
as a cop um and I'm thinking, all right, I got like,
why would you leave what was thewhat was the whole net? Why would
you leave a network marketing if youbuilt a such a team. But I
know the answer to that on mypersonal wing thing, which is, Dude,
at a certain point in time,like with my specific company i'm with,

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there's two ways of making money,which is selling the product or building
the team. Right, and ata certain point, dude, I don't
want to sell the product every day. It's legitimately boring and it's the same
thing. It's a job, sopeople do everything. I can make great
money on it, but the realmoney is building a team. And then
people know how unbelievably hard it isto build a team, because you're now

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talking about people who are trying tobe entrepreneurs who don't have that entrepreneurship was
so easy, everybody would do it. What I liked about your content is
your problem solving. I do tendto complain about a lot of stuff,
right, like the law enforcement industry. I talk very heavy. I've been

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critiquing. I've been on the newsand been in documentaries about anti law enforment
stuff. All right, I'm aretired cop, and I say that I
believe it law enforcement is becoming domesticterrorism, right, but I always but
I'm not turning into like a sovereigncitizen and defund the police. It's this
is what we need to do tochange it. We need to go back

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to the constitution. We need tolook at this, We need to look
at that. I kind of likeyour content for anti MLM because it's the
same thing. It never made senseto me while you get all these anti
MLM people who are like, Iwas at the top X percent of my
company and then I left. Okay, My question is, even if you
were making a thousand dollars a monthadditional coming in from MLM after the time

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you put in, you can stopyour business and it may take seven,
eight, nine months for that thousanddollars to start dwindling down. So I
want to know in your case specifically, and nobody's ever really wanted to talk
about this when you say you quick, did you just say, hey,
I'm making X amount of dollars amonth stops any meat checks right now,

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I quit and then you walked awayfrom everything, or did you quit MLM
by just saying I'm not putting inthe effort anymore, and then you still
enjoyed the benefit of those checks comingin for a while. And then I
want your views. Why didn't yougo online and start the whole it's a
scam, it's this, it's that, which never made sense to me because
if everybody's benefiting it for so long, obviously they got personally, something personally

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happened to them. For them tosay it's a scam, I mean that
happens in every industry and self,I mean a rule. I wrote a
book about a law enforcement, lawenforcements, not a scam. But what
happened to me sucked. It waspersonal. Then I lashed out and attacked
back, but it's not a scam. So ultimately I want to hear those
kind of views. Is did youjust quit and say, hey, keep
your money or did you let itdwindle down? Do you? And then

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that goes into like did you abandonyour team? Did you did you try
to fix things? I want tohear about that journey specifically. No,
I think that's a really good questionbecause you know, when people do leave
MLM, it comes in various differentways and forms and processes. And so
I had actually hurt my ankle.I was at a trampoline park with my
kids, being a douchebag and jumpinglike I shouldn't have been, and I'm

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way too old to be jumping thatway, and I hurt my ankle.
I thought I broke it. Excuseme, but I sprained it really bad.
So I'm laid up in bed.This is December twenty twenty one.
I told my so a little background. I had joined this company with two
other women, and this is whereif I had not done this particular move,

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I'd probably still be in the industry, to be honest, So I
joined with two other women. Wewent in as three separate entities within one
team. And the way we structuredit was the person who found the company
and like got us hooked up withthe VP of sales. She was the

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first, like spot okay, andthen I was in the middle and my
best friend Robin was at the bottom. And so my friend Robin is a
really good recruiter, and she's like, fuck, I don't care, I'll
take the bottom. I'll you know, I'm the best recruiter out of all
of you. I was the customergirl and the one at the top.

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She was the pretty one. Like, you know, I'm pretty and I
know that, but I she wasthe pretty one, and I don't have
anything else to say about that.That's what her purpose was. And so
we're gonna get into that kind ofstuff. But go ahead, yeah that
that's not a dig on women ingeneral. But I'm just gonna say it.
Some women are just pretty and that'sall they have going for them.

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And she was, and so shewas top spot. I'm the middle,
Robins the bottom. Robin brings inlike sixty two one hundred people her first
week when we go into that company. She is a monster when it comes
into recruiting. Yes, yeah,so I'm getting customers. And the company
that we were in paid out reallywell customers, so I'm cool with that.

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I have Robin's volume. Eventually,stuff starts happening between Robin and the
girl that we joined under. Technicallywe joined as one team, a three
part team, a three way.We called ourselves. Oh my gosh,
what did we call ourselves? TheTrinity? The Trinity like for I can't

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even believe this to this day soembarrassing. Anyway, we're supposed to all
stay the same rank and all sayI have the same income and all put
in the same effort, because ofcourse that is the fair way. If
everyone's making the same amount of money, you all should be working the same.
That doesn't end up happening. Robinrecruits a bunch of people. The

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girl that we joined recruits a bunchof people. I'm just over here having
getting customers, and I was thebuilding, the person building the group.
We use like an ATM system.I'm the person doing all the live videos.
So we didn't all stay the samerank is basically what happened. She
hit a rank of Emerald, whichis a high rank in that company,

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about two months in and the recruiteror the person who was the good looking
one, the pretty one, shehit. Yeah, she had emerald really
fast, and she wasn't doing anywork. Question, she really wasn't.
She was just being pretty. Andme and Robin are you know, busting
our asses for this group. We'retaking care of our teams, and it

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was so unfair. Eventually, Robinsnaps at this pretty lady and says,
you are not holding up your end. Of the bargain, so stupidity.
And here's a little advice or anyonein network marketing, never join unless you
have every single nuance of your agreementin writing, like, never join with

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somebody and take my story as alesson, because I promise you it doesn't
matter if they call you their sisteror their brother. It doesn't matter if
you are blood, if you arefamily, people will fuck you over so
fast in the name of money.They don't care. She lost two of
her closest friends for a rank,for a title, for money, And

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you know, of course, canwe pause here for a second and say
that's not the company, that isthe people going into it, because not
for nothing. Yeah, theoretically speaking, based off of everything, you can
have tits and ass and be onInstagram and not have any ability whatsoever.
But because you have recruiters underneath youthat are working, you make money.

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So can we say right now thatas everybody likes to say, it's a
scam, that may be morally,hey, let's do as I want to
do as much work as you do. But we know that doesn't happen in
any business. So I have noidea why people go online and they start
condemning network marketing is a scam.When that's been the whole business model,

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you have no control under anything,who's underneath you and what the work effort
they're going to do. M Imean, I wouldn't. I don't think
I have ever Maybe maybe, butI don't think I've ever publicly, you
know, called network marketing a scam. Yeah, necessarily, Yeah, I
don't think so, and I tryto keep that. Uh Now, I

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do believe there are some companies thatact very much like schemes, and they
they are, you know, justa product away, a very flimsy product
away from a pyramid scheme. Yeah, there are companies, well everything,
every all of them legitimately by definition, they are pyramid schemes. By definition
scam. There's a difference between ascam and a scheme. Yes, I

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did a whole video on this ascheme as you and I we're making a
plan to go to lunch that day, we're scheming. It's just a plan,
that's all it is my definition.So, I mean, it's semantics,
but I get it true true.Uh So, Yeah, it wasn't
like in this particular situation, itwasn't the company, it wasn't the way
the company was set up. Itwas the whole principle of this pretty girl.

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Even though she I say she wasjust pretty, She's smart in a
manipulative kind of narcissistic way, veryselfish way. I know how to get
what I need from people, soI will do whatever I have to do
to do that. And that's whatshe did. She pulled one over on
two of the most street smart womenthat were in the industry at the time,
who thought me and Robin thought,no one can can pull anything over

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our eyes. We've seen it all, we've done it all. We've bent
like scammers schemers ourselves. And I'mnot here to tell Robin's story, but
she's a lot like me. I'lljust say that, very similar history,
and we were hurt. So ittook a lot out of me personally,

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from a emotion, from an emotionallevel, spiritual kind of place. And
that is why I walked away.Now, when I say I quit from
your your question earlier, I didn'tquit. I didn't text the So we
joined that company direct to corporate andno one had ever done that. We
pissed so many top leaders off andwe were the first ones to ever do

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it. I don't know if they'reprobably not. We were such a headache
to him, But anyway, Ididn't text him and say, hey,
I'm leaving. I know I continueto collect a check. I sure sure
did, and I'm not afraid tosay that it probably wasn't the right thing
to do now looking back on it, but I will say this, I
had to survive, and I knewthat those checks weren't going to be coming

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in forever. I have a jeepthat I got from the jeep program from
that company, and so I continuedto collect that for as long as I
could, and that lasted about sixmonths. So I was, you know,
I was up at the middle ofthat plan. But technically that you
just started building and working, right. I wish I wish more people were

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like because when when you explain thingsit's legitimate a problem in network marketing.
And you didn't complain about the company, You didn't complain about the structure.
You complained about manipulation among human beings, which is all over the place.
Can I tell you that I probablyknow people who slept their way into the

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sergeant's position, or people who weregot themselves jobs by having sex with command
staffs. So it's like, didI hate the game or hate the player?
Right? Hey, so and sogot the new squad car, So
and so did this, and whoare they fucking? So that's that's in
every industry, right, go onsocial media, Well somebody's got a bigger
I G account than than I do. Well, they're built better than I

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am are they're more charismatically, sowe understand that. It's and I'm not
saying you're jealous at all, butsome people use attributes better ways than we
do. So I didn't hear youblame the business. I heard you blame
others scumbag human beings, which isabout as genuine as it gets. And
I can get on board with thatbecause anybody who comes into network marketing,

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thank god you said this, anddoesn't understand you could recruit. You could
go in with somebody else and say, hey, we're gonna run, we're
gonna be millionaires. That you knowthat person's gonna do shit, and just
in your effort maybe calling one hundredpeople a day, they could call one
hundred people in five years. Sothat's why I love your stuff is you're
talking about your story, but you'venever condemned the industry. You've condemned human

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beings, which to me is whatis more fucking important. I want to
kind of go back to this predatoryaspects of recruiting and network marketing. Do
you feel that you were a victim? I respect you so much for talking
about your past, but you camefrom nursing, found yourself in a predicament.

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And then when in a network marketingwere you in a position of being
vulnerable? Did you get that manipyou would have? Hey, all you
got to do is talk to youpeople. You're gonna make six figures within
your first six months. Did youfall into that? And do you feel
that, since network marketing is predominantlya female run industry, that women are
targeted because of that false promise garbage? Well, this is a very interesting

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kind of take. I was never, ever in my life, ever asked
to join network marketing. I wasnever approached, no one ever recruited me.
I actually found a woman online,completely randomly, when I joined my
first company. My first company neverwas it Works. I think a lot

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of women who started there, andthis was twenty fifteen. I found this
this gal from oh my goodness,I can't remember Illinois. Maybe Chicago.
I'm not sure, maybe around yousomewhere, but tell me no, it
was one of my favorites. Iknow you love her right to death.
So I joined her. She neverasked me to join, so I never

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got back then anyway, that thehey girl, blah blah blah. Now
I will say I was vulnerable.I will say that. And I say
that because I was fresh into recovery. So anyone in that so it may
just be where I was at thetime, would make anyone in that position
vulnerable. Knew I was still workingas a nurse at the time, and

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then I got really sick when Iwas pregnant, so I had to quit
eventually and needed money. So Iwould say, yeah, that is another
strike for I needed. I wasvulnerable. Other than that, I didn't
know anything about the industry whatsoever.I had never heard the phrases pyramid scheme

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or I didn't you know. Andagain, this is twenty fifteen, so
new on the Internet, these businesseswere being like this is when they were
on group on you could you couldbarely find it on Facebook. I just
happened to and um, what wasthe other part of that question? I
forgotten? Do you think that peopleprey on women specifically because of the whatever

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it is, right and I'm notbeing sexist, but I will be sexist.
Uh, dopamine levels. People areon Instagram to wind up, you
know, getting likes from bikini pictures. Look at me do all this kind
of stuff? God knows, Iadmit that I do that kind of stuff.
Um do we pray yeah? Yeah, yeah. Do we pray on
females and network marketing because of theirof their housewife j status, female gender?

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Uh, you clearly are doing nothingwith your day. You're gonna be
famous and rich and hey hunt allthat shit? Do we do we target
women specifically because they're easy targets.That is such a it's as a hard
one. I mean, I personallythink the reason there are so many women
in the industry is because it startedwith fucking tupperware. And it's like this

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kind of snowball effect if you thinkabout it. And I don't know for
sure, but I assume this isit started with like home parties. I
remember going to, you know,like the sex toy parties. Those were
all women. Tumperware parties were mostlywomen. My mom used to host pampered
chef parties. Those were a lotof women. So I don't know if

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it's that network marketing in particular targetswomen or the fact that women are the
shoppers of the household. It's afact in retail, in network marketing,
women are the decision makers for themost part. In you know, a
nuclear family type household where there's aman or woman and kids, she's the

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one on Instacart ordering the groceries.At least in my house, we are
the ones who shop. There's somekind of and I used to use the
statistic when I was in network marketingon opportunity calls. I cannot remember it,
but women are the ones who spendmoney. Yeah, yes, I

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used to. I owned a gymfor a few years and it was a
martial arts gym, and I actuallygot to talk to a man named Bob
Wall and he was in a BruceLee film called Enter the Dragon. He
played the character O'Hara at the scarin his eyes. I was friends with
a man who lived out here whosefather knew him. And one day my
buddy Scotty calls me and says,hey, I got somebody on the phone

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with you. So I'm like,what, And it was Bob Wall.
This ornery seventy two year old BruceLee movie star, all this stuff,
and he goes, here, youwant to build your gym up? He
told me the syste the system.How he wound up catering to owning like
seventy dojos throughout his life. Wasyou come up with a kids program because

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the kids are going to impress themoms. The moms are gonna holler about
it. The moms are gonna tellthe dads to open up the checkbook and
spend the money. So you said, but it's all about impressing the moms.
He goes, You don't teach themoms, and moms are gonna do
it, But the moms are gonnawind up seeing their kids do it.
So yeah, it was all aboutthe women having the deciding buying power in

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our industry. Yeah. The onething I do like again about your content,
and while you get me to listen, is that you're not an asshole
about how you present stuff. Youtell your story and you leave. You
give enough information for people to makethe decision. If is that a is
the anti MLM community? Are theydoing good for network marketing or is it

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just a bitch fest? And it'sa bunch of but her people out there
who just can't be sales and recruiters. Because the one thing you said is
I'm tired of the terminology. WhenI did teach martial arts, one of
the things that I wanted to dowas I wanted to be really big in
women's self defense. But my partnersand I we try to reinvent it by
calling it women's self offense because wewanted to change the mentality, right Because

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so we would tell people, Yeah, we're teaching the self offense class.
What is that, Well, it'sthis and this this, So you're teaching
self defense. No, no,no, no, no, we're teaching
self offense. So you're teaching selfdefense. Same fucking thing with network marketing
when you're talking about this opportunity call, No, it's a recruiting call.
It's a sales call. Why dowe try the hide the words sales and

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recruiting because I was guilty of itin the beginning. What do you sell?
Oh, I don't sell anything.Yes, I sell the product for
my company. Yes, I'm sellingthe business to try to recruit you.
So is a do we need tofix the industry with changing terminology and recognizing
it and being do those who leavebecause they got manipulated the anti MLM community

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are they doing good for the industryor are they just but hurt? Those
are awesome, awesome questions. I'vethought about both a lot. Yes,
MLM, in my opinion, absolutelyneeds to be late, honest, transparent.
Look, I'm trying to sell youthis coffee, this creamer, this

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whatever you sell, this capsule,this, whatever I feel. And I
think this is where I used todo so well with customers because I was
straight up. I would get ona live video and be like, hey,
this is how I feed my kids. If you want to help me
out, support me, you cansupport me by buying blah blah blah.

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If not and you don't need anything, then don't you know? And I
was always very transparent, and Ithink people respect a transparent person and someone
who's not trying to gloss over thetruth, not trying to exchange words.
And like you said, I Ijust did it. I said opportunity call

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instead of recruiting call. That's exactlyright. It's a recruiting we were trying.
And you know, if more peoplewhen they got on the opportunity or
recruiting call said hey, hey,in the beginning, like a disclaimer,
we're trying to get you to signup for an opportunity called the Dada.
Here's the company, that's why you'rehere. If there was less guises and

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less curtains in front of everything,I think that the industry would be much
more respected and people wouldn't have suchan issue. You know, I used
to be told all the time,don't say your products name, and so
I would go back and forth withit. I would try marketing without the
product name. I would try withthe product name, and it didn't seem

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to matter either way. Whether ornot you told them what your company or
product was, it didn't matter.So I think that transparency full transparency,
being incredibly open about what you're doing. And I said this in one of
my YouTube videos when people are beingrecruited, when you personally are recruiting someone

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saying to them, hey, nota lot of people make money in their
first however, long, here's thenumber of people who make money, who
make money, like make a profit, not bring in just revenue, but
make here's the number. Here's AndI don't think that there are is anything
wrong with being upfront, even thoughthe numbers in many cases are bleak.

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It's still honesty. And as faras anti MLM, like are they helping,
it's really hard to broaden it andgeneralize and say all of anti MLM
is helping and la da da.So there are, in my opinion,

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little like subsets of anti MLM.And I think that there are some of
those little pockets and corners that arecd and sorted and incredibly ignorant and they
and I hate to get political,but they have this all empathic, progressive,

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very far leftist mentality, and someare democrats, socialists admittingly in a
capitalist business exactly. So it's andthat's the thing, like, there's a
lot of hypocrisy in the anti MLMspace, and that is what excuse me
triggered me to make that first video. And it was a again, a

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subsect of anti MLM. So Iunderstand I'm not talking about everyone. I
have to say that over and overagain. Everyone thinks you're generalizing. And
if I say anti MLM and Icall one person out, they're all taking
offense, like are we fucking kindergarteners? Hello? No. So one thing
too, is I've never called anyonea name. I've never talked about.

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And that's not a dig on youfor the Marco thing. Oh yeah,
now I was. I had corporatecalled me about that. One corporate we
had. Corporate sends me an emailand I call him. I go,
yeah, dude, yeah, wewe saw the interview with Marco. It
was good. Just do us afavor. And I'm like, hey,

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you're gonna terminate my contract to no, just don't mention you us with your
videos. And I went, that'sfine. Other than that, they were
they were like, yeah, stuckyour ounds. Marco was fine, It
was good. My only issue wasthe hypocrisy between um, how they make
their money. They go online,they put content up and people donate great

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or all the people who are onwho have like and Marco's my issue.
My issue Marco was he was neverin the industry, so that would be
like if I was never brain surgeon. But then the comments I saw,
the oh you don't have to bewhatever you get all these people, all
all the big network anti mlmers whohate the industry but use their code to
buy their product to the link ontheir site. Their answer to that in

(32:02):
reply is well, we're not recruitinganyone for me for network marketing. When
it finally made sense, and ittook me nine years to make sense,
I'm like, oh my god,was the Robert Kiyosaki business model of You're
just recruiting people to become their owncustomers. That's all it is. If
I take the product, yes,I gotta pay it. The company makes

(32:25):
money. If I bring somebody elsein who takes the product, the company's
gonna make money. I'm gonna geta portion on that, and so on
and so on and so on.It is a full proof system to create
what we call regulars in any otherbusiness. You want a coffee shop,
you want regulars. You got agym, you want members paying regulars.

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So when I laid that out,everybody's like, but but you're you gotta
buy it. You gotta buy somethinginto And no matter how much you say,
well, yeah, when I wasa gym owner, I had to
I had to spend eighteen hundred fiftyhours a month in rent. And but
you will recruiting recruiting people, Yeah, but I had to get people come
in and pay tuition. They areso hell bent on the recruiting to make

(33:07):
money when I just don't understand howthey can't say, network market is not
a scam. I just suck atrecruiting people, That's all it is.
Well, I will say this,excuse me, I made a full time

(33:30):
plus. I made a full timeplus. Okay, keep in mind I
was a nurse income customers only,and so all this bullshit about you can't
make money I do. I dothink it's bullshit. Now keep in mind,
I am a charismatic hustler. Iwill find people to buy my product

(33:52):
on the street corner if I needmoney to feed my kids. And like
you said, I don't think thateveryone has that drive or necessity. If
you will, um, I wasreally really good at selling products and so
I didn't necessarily need to recruit people. To be honest, I never asked

(34:14):
a single person to join the business. Never once. I didn't recruit people.
They came in as a customer.If they liked the product enough,
they would come to me and say, hey, how do I sell this
with you? So I did what. You know, a lot of people
say like if there is a goodand I don't know if there is a
good way to do network marketing,I would say I was pretty close to

(34:37):
it because I didn't like the recruitingaspect. I truly didn't. I didn't
like being a team sucks. Ihated it. You can't get you can't
get motivate people to do stuff withouta patrid. I don't understand why we
just don't correlate well. The networkmarketing has got They use the word high
failure rate instead of low success rate. Because when you think about out of

(35:00):
a group of one hundred people,is there a high or low number of
people who could sell fucking low number? People are people? Aren't they hate
sales, They're afraid of sales.So if we're taking from the well of
people to sell in recruits and thatnumber is already low, don't we think
that that math is going to translateinto the success success rate of people from

(35:22):
the industry. So again, Ijust I can't stand this argument of it's
a scam. No, just flatout say you sucked at sales, you
sucked at recruiting. It wasn't foryou, That's all it is. I
mean, I that is a hugepart of it for a lot of people
in anti MLM. I and whenI first found anti MLM content, that

(35:44):
was the first thing that came tomy mind. Is I think a lot
of these people were unable to seeany return, and of course that's upsetting,
and of course you are pissed offat the industry because who else are
you going to be pissed off atUM and their uplines and whoever else?

(36:05):
And I think a big issue Ihave with anti MLM, and I do
consider it, still consider myself antiMLM, but I don't agree with most
of what they they And when Isay anti MLM, that means I personally
wouldn't join one. It doesn't meanthat I think other people should or shouldn't.
I don't think I am, oranyone is qualified enough to give to

(36:31):
give advice on excuse me, likewhat other people should do with their money.
I don't know. It's it's Ithink a lot of scorned women,
Yes, not all, but Ido think a lot of anti MLM is
pissed off. There is a vendettaand that is why I did call out

(36:54):
a certain group because they had beencontinuing to get away with talking about women
in a very disrespectful so you know, putting the faces on the screens and

(37:15):
oh, you mean doing the bullying, and then when someone like me comes
along, he's a massage. Ohgod, they did more to add to
advertise me by he's a misogynist,he's the bully. And the first one
ever got pulled into was by areally pleasant woman who called me a misogynist,

(37:35):
pulled my stuff up, and Iresponded, I was very kind of
the beginning, You're more than welcometo debate me, but blah, and
then I went out an attack.I kind of want to circle back to
a really disturbing fact that's everywhere inlife. I can't remember where I read
the study years and years and yearsago. I don't know if that's true
now, but about twenty or thirtyyears ago they talked about the fact that
a good like ninety or something percentof the CEOs of all Fortune five hundred

(37:59):
companies are tall, athletic, wellbuilt men, and there's a command presence
to it. I did an experimentwhen I was on duty once. So
I'm only five foot seven. I'ma shorter guy, but my uniform is
always tailored. I have gray hair, aging look this and that, and

(38:20):
most of the guys I worked withwere over six feet tall and whatnot.
One year I decided to dye myhair. I dyed my hair dark and
shaved, so I looked relatively younger. Every call we went to, I
was never the officer people would approach. They would always go to the taller
guy. There. There's a commandpresence. It's psychological. You just do
that. So I have to wonderwhat happens when you talked about the attractive

(38:44):
woman aspect. I'm not being insultivefrom my standard. Most of the women
who are the anti MLM community areunattractive women, and they pick on what
you talked about before, the prettybroads that are up there doing their stuff.
This just sounds like more petty bullshitto where their personalities could not come

(39:05):
through and overcome their exterior looks.So clearly MLM's a scam. I'm not
asking you an agree at all.I'm just saying my observation. That's my
words, not yours. That's okay, yes, yes, I just me
personally. I stay away from anylooks any But my thing is, they

(39:30):
in many cases were picking apart women'slooks. They were picking apart their clothes,
they were picking apart there they're mothering, and I call them out.
And I've now had videos made aboutme, and of course I expected it
like do people really think that Iam dense or that anyone is dense enough

(39:52):
to think that if you call peopleout who you know are manipulative, vindictive
people, that they're not gonna pullyou in and put you on the carpet.
Like I knew that was going tohappen. Here's a big issue I
have when everyone who challenges you isracististic. Um, when everyone who you

(40:15):
disagree with you are calling something thatis a trendy buzzword that you heard because
you know it's in the headlines andit's the new hashtag on I G when
And here's the bigger issue I havewith that. These women are all white,

(40:38):
So how the fuck do you know? Oh my god, you're killing
me. How do you know howit feels? And technically on paper,
I'm white too, Um, soI get it, but I don't.
At the same time, Um,they're insane. And again I'm mean to

(41:00):
make this attack about them because Iwant to solve problems in the industry.
But the second I knew the hypocrisywas unbelievable. It was the first woman
who called me a misogynist and Ididn't say anything about her. I actually
have an Instagram that posts about abunch of stuff. I posted something that
had to do with somebody. Icalled somebody a fat seat. Wasn't her.
She went to TikTok. He calledme this and you are unsafe.

(41:22):
Stop harrassed. It wasn't about her. Blow me away. I'm like,
okay, we have a problem there. The second was with Jessica Hickson,
where there's videos of her talking aboutit's so gross you use your kids in
your marketing, blah blah blah blah, and then she had and it was
so she's got videos talking about that, but she had her five year old

(41:44):
son up online. I want toget like a PlayStation, and we need
my mom said that if I raisedtwo hundred dollars, she'll pay the other
two hundred dollars, So buy mybracelet. All I did was matched those
two together and I had a videome going what and oh my god,
the shit I took? How dareyou expose her child for this? And

(42:06):
you realize she was condemning other peoplefor using their children as sales and recruiting
tactics. But she had you donateor buy so she could or care kids
products so he could buy a PlayStation. There's no logic talking about these with
these people, and I even sletset a million times. I get the
frustration, I get the lies,I get the manipulation. I was a

(42:29):
part of it to begin with.We need to solve these problems. How
can we come together to solve theseproblems and fix the industry? And I
thought I would get that with somepeople, including Marco, you don't get
it. They don't want to hearit. They want to shut this industry
down and the story period. Theywant no solution. Going back to you,
That's what I like about your content. It is anti MLM, the

(42:49):
shitty parts of m LAMA that needto be changed, and you offer a
good table discussion of this is whatneeds to be changed with the industry.
You're not attacking, you're not condemning, You're offering problems that need to be
solved. I think it's important becauseone of the things that bothered me when

(43:09):
I did Fine anti MLM is thatthere was absolutely no one giving women resources.
So if a woman wants to leaveMLM because she was, you know,
hurt like I was, and shejust doesn't want to be a part
of it anymore, and that's okay, Like it's not for everyone forever.

(43:31):
I got what I needed out ofit. I learned so much about myself,
life and people being in MLM.I wouldn't take it back. I
wouldn't reverse the time and do itdifferently. Shit, I forgot where I
was going with that. I dothat a lot the resources which I want
to I want to say that Irespect you about it, because all of

(43:52):
them have the same tone. Imade it to the top of my company,
I quit, and then there's noin their stuff. There's no solution
to whatever problem another woman is in. It's a constant echo chamber of how
bad the industry is, which makespeople think, all right, I'm just
not going to do the business becauseyou hear I call out that other an
errand woman, Aaron Bes, whotalks about the industries a scam, but

(44:15):
then she flat out admitted she wascreating fake accounts to pad her numbers for
sales and that scammed her team.And then she just winds up leaving and
quitting to make it sound like she'srighteous. But you so far the only
one to admit, well, no, I quit, I stopped doing the
business. I still collected the checks. That's the problem I have with the

(44:36):
disingenuousness of the industry, and whyI respect you so much as you're not
full of shit, and I reallyI like that about you. I think
a lot of these creators in general. You're a creator. I'm a creator.
I think a lot of creators woulddo so much better if they just
stopped giving so much weight to whatother people say think. Host you know

(45:00):
there's been videos made about me.I don't watch them. I literally could
not care less. You can callme racist, you can call me anything.
I know that I'm not any ofthose things, and I know that
I am trying to help in industrythat making videos about and saying this is

(45:24):
mad just isn't really helping if we'renot offering solutions. Now, I will
say there is a group who Imet who is anti MLM. There is
a woman who has been in documentariesand she is in touch with state legislators.

(45:44):
She's in touch with senators, sheis doing a lot of conferences,
she is speaking, and she isdoing activist work. And I know a
lot of people who watch this probablywon't agree because I do believe that she
wants to shut MLM down. However, if we're talking, if I think
I know you're talking about and Ireached out to her too, and she's

(46:05):
got the sheet. If it's thesame person, she has the same attitude.
It's all a scam and what's inyour misogyst Yeah, yeah, And
you know I want to say thisthat just because I get on a podcast
with Dominic, or any person getson a podcast with any other person,
it's not Dominic's not co signing myviews and I'm not co signing his views.

(46:29):
We are two completely different humans fromtwo walks of life, with probably
immensely different viewpoints. But what Ido think is really important is conversation.
Is you know if we're not.If we are, you just set it
in an echo chamber and we're onlytalking to the people who we know agree
with us, then we're just gettingwhat we want more people to agree with

(46:52):
us. I have no intent onchanging anti Mlmer's mind. That's a mistake
I made if I started doing thesewas thinking I could sit to prove a
point. You can't do it.What I want to do is for those
who are coming in a network marketing, I want them, excuse me,
to hearing the opposing point of views. I mean, I told you before
we did this the podcast. Idon't need you to agree with me.

(47:12):
I don't want you to agree.If you're gonna flat outside if you if
you embarrass me on something, doit. I don't care. I want
people to say, Okay, thisindustry is shit, all right, but
I still am curious about it.What information do I need to before I
go forward? So I want peoplegoing forward saying discerning properly all right,
people are scum alright, no manipulationtactics, all this stuff. That's what

(47:34):
I want. As far as thewhole shutting the business down stuff. See,
that's what sucks too, is thenyou're gonna take away money from people
who are actually legitimately helping other people. And the one problem I have is
this whole we're so hung up onthe million dollars status. If you can
help somebody make an extra five hundreddollars a month, are they failing in
the business? And then it alwayscomes down to well, how many hours

(47:55):
a week are they working? Dude? What is it atter? I mean,
yeah, you're gonna do ratio andif they're working one hundred dollars one
hundred hours a week to make fivehundred hours a month, that's all they're
doing. That's a problem, butmaybe that's all they're able to do.
I just don't understand how we weand more so anti MLM people. Anti

(48:15):
MLM people are placing the value ofsuccess or failure on what their perceived monetary
amount is, as is the programLM people, because you didn't succeed unless
you made a million dollars or morea year in network marketing. So I
think that on both sides, thatneeds a change. Yes, I agree,
there is so much focus in MLM, and that was another huge like

(48:39):
I think reason I wanted to leaveis because I saw what the money did
to my friend. I saw whatthe rank in many cases did to people.
The titles. I just saw andit's really just a model of how
life works. You know, whenwe get it too egotistical, and if

(49:01):
we are, you know, innatelymanipulative people, we're gonna hurt other people.
And you know, and then Ido also think though that MLM is
kind of like a cesspool of manipulativepeople. And I think that because,

(49:22):
like I said earlier, I wascoming from jail, I didn't have a
lot, and I didn't even havea license. I still don't drive,
but I didn't have much opportunity.I could sit at home and do something
from a computer, and I didit. I made it work for a

(49:44):
long time. I left for myown personal reasons. But you know,
even now, I look at thebusiness I run now and I look at
MLM, and some days I think, oh my god, it would be
easier to go and sling products again, because holy f being your own own
business owner, like for real,having an LLC and doing all of that,

(50:05):
the upkeep, and it's hard.Oh but according to anti Amamous,
that's a real business. How longwhat was the window of time you were
in network marketing where it became yourincome. I was in from twenty fifteen.
I was very in and out betweentwenty fifteen and twenty eighteen. I

(50:29):
took like over a year break,so I did not start making income,
like profit over what I was buying, excuse me, until probably nineteen twenty
nineteen. And then you left intwenty twenty one. Yeah, so like
two years. So two years youdid the business, you made an income.

(50:53):
If that's all you did, youget in, You got in,
and those two years kept you afloatand improved your life, and then you
got out. Was that a scam? I don't think it was a scam.
I don't call it a scam.If it were a scam, I
would have not been able to feedmy kids like I did. I would,

(51:15):
you know, there was it wasthe pandemic. My husband was out
of work for a great period oftime in there, between twenty eighteen and
twenty twenty two. I can't rememberhow long it was, but I know
in twenty twenty I don't think wedid a tax return for him. So
I was pulling the weight in thehousehold. And you know, there are

(51:36):
other things you can do from home, obviously, but one thing about MLM
that helped me in particular is therewas no barrier to entry. And that's
a good and a bad thing.I'm not saying it's always a good thing.
I could just get in. Nobodychecked my credit, Nobody said hey,
you a criminal, Nobody cared thatI had been to jail like and

(51:57):
I think that is a huge thingthat should re present how we should be
toward people in other realms of playingfield. Yeah, but it's just a
shame that there's a lot there's there'smore scumbags who manipulate, make false promises.
Don't teach sales skills, don't teachmarketing skills. That's the problem,

(52:19):
the system itself. Oh, yougot to buy a product every month,
and you, oh, you gottarecoup people to buy a product. So
the fuck on, that's the system. You either make a choice and do
that or you don't. It's allthe false promises that I can't stand.
But sadly, you know, ifthese people like who you're talking about or
Marco want to close down the recruitingindustry, go knock on the US military's

(52:43):
recruiting doors and go listen to howthey recruit and the promises they make.
You want to talk about manipulative practices? All right, we got a few
minutes left. Number one promote wherecan everybody wind up finding you and supporting
you? I am at debrebar onInstagram and I do run a business.
So when I left Network Marketing,I had lost one hundred and twenty pounds

(53:07):
while I was in and that waswith various products. So you don't have
to go get a particular product becauseyou can do it on your own anyway.
I started my own business and Ihelp women stop dieting. And I
used to call it a weight lostbusiness, but to be honest with you,

(53:30):
it's a non dieting business where theycan quit dieting. And a lot
of women come in to lose weightand they decide I just want to stop
being miserable with how I eat,and that's enough for them. So I
guess if you are struggling with dieting, I would be the place to come.
And it's girls Stop Dieting on Instagram. You can just DM me there

(53:51):
or you can go to girls StopDieting dot com. So that's what I
do full time. Now. Ihave other little things I do on the
side as well. I believe thatworking from home is like the most empowering,
amazing thing. And whether that's inMLM, if you do it in
MLM, just please please do itright. Well, let's solve that problem.

(54:14):
Is it right way? So let'smake that the last question. Somebody
wants to come up to you andsay, listen, you know I want
to do network marketing. I knowyour content gives a lot of information to
discern. What should I do ifI go into the industry. You should
do a lot of freaking research oncompanies A and you should learn how to

(54:36):
sell the product before anything else.In my opinion, I honestly think that
most team leaders get burnt out withrunning a team. I think recruiting is
annoying. It's awful. If yousell a product to a customer and you
don't build a team, and youhave a compliant that supports that, you're

(54:57):
not even doing network marketing, You'rejust selling. You're doing retail. If
I could go back, if Idid go back ever in MLM, I
would never touch recruiting ever again.But I would consider just selling a product.
Maybe in the way future. Thereare no products that I take or
need anymore. But I think that, like you said, a lot of

(55:21):
people don't know sales well enough,and it is nuanced. It is incredibly
nuanced. But always be transparent.Always tell the truth. Don't just don't
lie to people. It's not thatfreaking hard to Just if you want someone's
money, tell them, Hey,I'm trying to sell this to you.

(55:45):
That is you know. I thinkthat people just need to be more transparent.
I have no I have no ideahow that logic is not the foundation
for everything. I can't tell youhow many team members, but I can't
sell go to your people and say, listen, I'm nervous as hell.
I'm trying to sell to you.I'm going to screw this conversation up.

(56:08):
Will you please just hear me out. I don't know why the more,
because then all of a sudden,the guard is down. Oh my god,
the humanity sets in. Dude.If people would tell their truth,
that has solved so many problems.And I have added at people out of
success who are like they do thatsame thing. Hey, listen, I
just my guy above me on myteam is busting my balls. I'm terrified.

(56:30):
I gotta sell you, but I'mso uncomfortable and they have real conversations
and it turns out to work outwell. So Yeah, I love your
content and I honestly hope you keepdoing it. Um, I'm totally flat
out. If you ever see anybullshit of mine doing, call it out,
do a video on me, fuckingexpose me. I think it's out.
It should be done right. Holdpeople like me accountable. It is

(56:51):
the Breebear. The the Breebear onInstagram and on YouTube if you will.
Yeah, this was a great conversation. I freaking love this. I want
I'm gonna have you back on formore. I'm so glad you take on
the psychology of just feeling good andnot worrying about diets, that that concept
can be applied with anything, andI love what you're doing. All right,

(57:13):
guys, this is another episode ofthe bull of MLM network marketing warfare.
Hope you enjoyed this discern properly intothe industry, get in there and
just be prepared to be attacked.But they're a bunch of miserable, self
hating people out there in the antiAmAm community. My words not breeze,
freeze at all. You guys,have a great damn day.