January 7, 2025 • 44 mins
The BUZZ is back with a new show in the new year, with more on the way! This episode, which was taped last month, was one of our favorites to end the year with. Adam Schomer, director of the documentary, "Selling Superman," gave us some insight on filming this four-part series.
The series shows a man, Darren Watts, discovering over 300,000 comic books in his father's home. Darren, as well as other family members, did not know that his father collected these books. It was only discovered after his father passed away. One of the comics that he had, a Superman #1, was worth $3.5 million. Darren must now make the decision on keeping this treasure or selling it to the highest bidder.
Schomer discussed filming the documentary, which included some harsh realities that Darren, and even us watching, had to face. We dove into the topic of mental health in our discussion as certain areas dealt with mental health awareness and support. We also asked the question...what would you do if you were placed in a similar situation? Would you sell, or would you keep?
The four-part docuseries, "Selling Superman," is available to stream on Amazon Prime.
The series shows a man, Darren Watts, discovering over 300,000 comic books in his father's home. Darren, as well as other family members, did not know that his father collected these books. It was only discovered after his father passed away. One of the comics that he had, a Superman #1, was worth $3.5 million. Darren must now make the decision on keeping this treasure or selling it to the highest bidder.
Schomer discussed filming the documentary, which included some harsh realities that Darren, and even us watching, had to face. We dove into the topic of mental health in our discussion as certain areas dealt with mental health awareness and support. We also asked the question...what would you do if you were placed in a similar situation? Would you sell, or would you keep?
The four-part docuseries, "Selling Superman," is available to stream on Amazon Prime.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Buzz Buzz.
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gets you up close and personal with some of the
hottest stars. Now, here's your host, Novelle Jaylee.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's going on everybody? It's novel jay Lee and Happy
New Year. We are back with a new buzzcast. Here
Buzzworthy Radio for you. I'm so excited to be back
and sharing some new episodes with you. And some of
these episodes we filmed last year, but we are now
finally getting them uploaded for you, so stay tuned. We
got more coming. But first up, we have director Adam Schomer.
(00:37):
I have the chance to talk to him about the
four part documentary series called Selling Superman. And this delves
into a man by the name of Darren Watts and
he discovers a very very big secret. His father, who
had Aspergers, kept comic books in his home hidden from
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the rest of the family. The family did not know.
He winds up finding this out after his father died
when he discovers this in this room in the father's home,
and we got to talk about the fact that Selling
Superman it basically is the title. In order to help
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his family, he has to make the decision if he
wants to sell these old comic books, particularly a Superman
comic that is rare, that is worth so much money,
and he has to grapple with the fact that he
has to make this unfortunate decision. I say unfortunate because
it's unfortunate. On it either ends and we get to
(01:43):
talk to Adam about that and even find out what
would my decision have been if I were put into
that situation. Would I sell or would I keep that magazine?
I don't know. When we get into the conversation, I'm
wondering what you guys would have perceived to be your answer.
We dove into that, and we also delved into mental health,
(02:04):
and as a big proponent of it on this show
as well as in my own life, it was a
great conversation to get involved in with Adam to talk
about this and a whole lot more that we dove
into that I felt was very, very deep and I
thoroughly enjoyed this conversation with him, and I hope you
do too. So here it is our interview with Selling
(02:25):
Superman director Adam Schulmer.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Check it out.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Selling is Superman. This four part documentary series which just
premiered and correctly on the data if it's wrong. But
I believe it was the eighteenth of November where this dropped.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And I started taking a look at it, and it's
a very interesting twist to something that I feel that
a lot of people would be so happy to find.
But it's really, in essence not so happy in a
lot of in a lot of aspects for this documentary,
(03:00):
just a little background and police come in and fill
in the gaps for me about this for everybody who
hasn't seen it yet, It's about a man. His name
is Darren, and I believe you both have went to
school together. You guys were on the soccer team together.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeh, high school.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Reconnected after so many years, I think it was like
over twenty plus years. He finds, Darren finds a collection
of these old comic books of his fathers who had
He had Aspergers by the way, his father had Aspergers,
and it was it was a secret, it was unknown
to anybody, and it was over my gosh. The amount
(03:41):
of comic books that they found was absolutely yeah, insane.
Go ahead and say, because I was going.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
To see, yeah, three hundred thousand comic books.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I was gonna say, three hundred thousand, and I thought,
I don't think I have the number right, so let
me let me say but yes, that's exactly what I
was gonna say. Was three hundred thousand, three hundred thousand
comic books, one of which was the Superman comic seven
point zero and worth three point five million dollars by
the way, three probably million dollars. And he's wrestling with
(04:10):
the fact of not only finding this comic book collection,
but it's like it asked the age old question would
you sell would you sell this? Would you sell these?
And I'm sitting here going like, if it were me,
I would not sell it because I would want to
collect it and keep it. As I feel like this
is just me, and again not speaking for anybody, if
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I had something like this in my possession, I would
not sell it. I couldn't. I couldn't part my I
couldn't part with it. But he has a different story,
and even on the first episode, I'm just gonna let
you guys know now if you haven't seen it, even
in the first episode, there is a big there was
just even the first five minutes, it begs the question
(04:53):
like he he's regretting this documentary. Yes, he's regretting having
this made, and like and like you you laughed in
the text message Bubble, I even said the same thing.
I was like, I don't think he was serious. I
think it was joking. And he's literally going, I'm not joking,
I'm dead to write serious. I'm regretting this move. So
(05:14):
let's talk about let's talk about that. So, yeah, literally
your experience doing this with him, how did you even
decide to go ahead and make this documentary to put
out there for everybody to be able to see. And
then did you as soon as you heard from him
that he started having regrets about it, did you want
(05:34):
to stop? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Okay, Well, so I start with the first one.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
He we were, you know, we did play high school
soccer together a couple of years apart, so we weren't,
you know, hanging a ton, but you bond over soccer,
and so twenty twenty five years can.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Pass and you still connect with somebody.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
And then eventually, even after that, then he called me
and dropped this bomb on me that hey.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
You didn't know this, and none of us knew this.
His father a I didn't know his father had Asperger's
b I had no clue.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
There was a four to five room, you know, monolith
of comic books building in this guy's house, under sheets
and boxes that Darren himself never really could look at.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
His dad wouldn't let him, so we had we had
no idea this was going on.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
But when Darren told me about it on the phone
and I know where exactly where I was, and then
he mentioned the Superman number one that could be worth
three million, four million dollars. First of all, I was
blown away that a comic book could be worth that much,
coming from outside the comic.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Book community, you know. I wondered how we get to
this valuation?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Who are the people buying these books, how are they
holding on to them?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
What's the whole commodity driven market of it?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
That was fascinating and so but then I said, okay,
let me just come film you and.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Your mom and brother before the old house.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Died gets sold.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
And that ends up being a lot of Episode one
Is Me Alone, actually very cinema verite, And wow, did
these people come to life? And I learned so much
more about his.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Mom, his father, his brother than I had any idea about.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
And then seeing the marks and the carpet you start
to understand like how heavy and the amount of these comics.
So this was all before Darren had you know, this
was at that point Darren had already moved.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Him out of the house and put it in.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
This cool fortress of solitude, if you will. But he
built his own crystal fortress with climate control.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
So that's how that's how it all started. Once I
filmed them.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
In Michigan at the Old House, I realized, Wow, these
people are amazing. The story is amazing, much deeper than
I thought. It's way beyond a treasure story, because that's
one thing, a lottery. But Darren himself is a self
made man.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
He didn't necessarily need the money, so.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
It really did beg the question, then what do you
do with it? Do you sell it to someone else?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Do you keep it? It's painful.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
It reminds you of your dad and the way he
treated you and the way the comics broke the family up.
But it's God, it's Superman, right, and it's one of
the best in the world. I mean, it's crazy that
I've been making docs for fifteen years and my friend
that ends up being the guy that has a Superman
like it's you know, and people in Michigan don't know
a lot of you know, documentary filmmakers. You know, in
(08:10):
LA maybe it's a little more common where Oh yeah,
my buddy has documentary films. But and I you know,
I've lived here now sixteen years in LA But it
just so happens. And so it's really the perfect storm
of coming together. And then he did trust me enough
to get back to your second part of the question
to start making this film. But even amidst that and
(08:30):
the trust one would have for a conscious filmmaker, I
do a lot of stuff that deals with the inner
world and growth and be a trusted friend. And he
knows I'm an integral guy, you know, he knows I'm
just not out there shitting on the world. Part part
of my French trying to do something to help.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And still emits that.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
You know, when push comes to shove and it's your
past and it's trauma and it's stress and anxiety and
you're on boxing it on camera while you're processing it,
that's a lot because then you realize, oh, people are
going to see me mid process, not after process, you know,
(09:11):
or they're going to see me forever in a certain way.
I know, he's thinking that this is how people are
going to think. This is Darren, it's his collection, and
what about everything else I've.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Done in my life?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
And that's what he's.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Thinking, What about the businesses I've built? What about I'm
a father of four? And that I think along.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
With the buzz of he sold a big book and that,
you know, we see that in episode three and all
the trolls coming out. That was the first moment where
he's like, what am I doing? Stop the press? We
got to stop this film and it becomes the beginning
of the movie.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And it did happen, you.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Know, two or three times where he you know, we
didn't put all that in the film, but or in
the series, but there was many times where he's like,
I don't know if this is really the right thing
for me.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
So it was it was tough to see that, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I I kind of wanted to get into that a
little bit because it was when this was pitched to
me to speak with you and learning more about it.
One of the things that really popped out was about
how you're dealing with mental mental health in this and
coming from someone who has expressed numerous times on this show,
not only in the mental health advocate. I have suffered
(10:20):
mental health breakdowns and it's not something I shy away
from and it's something I always want to highlight and
just seeing that it just seeing that phrase alone, it
just kind of made me understand a little bit more
towards Darren a little bit that he You've said it yourself,
(10:41):
and I think it kind of helps a lot with this,
is that during this entire process, there were demons he
had to face when he basically found not only finding
this comic book collection, but then with the struggle of
selling it and then going ahead and selling it. He's
now visited with that trauma again of what happened with
his father, and you were in the thick of that.
(11:02):
Oh yeah, you were in the thick of that. He
was in the thick of that for having to relive it.
And I think it was an interesting point too, where
you just said that everybody's now going to see that,
and it kind of makes me think about when I
talk about mental health, everybody gives you know, there's this
stigma around it, and there's people who are going to
feel some type of way about Darren as a person
(11:25):
that probably he doesn't want them to see and they're
going to wind up seeing it anyway, And for me,
I look at it on the other side of the
spectrum where I'm going like, dude, I feel you right
now for this because I've been there. I understand it.
Maybe not to the capacity because I never had a
three point five million dollar comic book in my possession,
but I understand what you're going through as far as
(11:49):
the thought process of it by something that was so personal.
Is another human being that you now have in your
possession and it's now making you think about everything in
your mind about said person. I'm right there with you
on that, So just having to watch that just you
kind of already said that about your feelings of being
(12:12):
a part of it, but really when you were in
the thick of that, what was going through your mind?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
And thank you for being an advocate and someone that
speaks up. Because the more we normalize going to therapy
and talking about you know, depression, anxiety, whatever it is,
stress in this mood of society, I think the better
off we all are.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And because I think it's a.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Normal worry and Darren probably probably worried about I don't
want to put words in his mouth that if he
comes off as stress and anxiety, will people want to
work with.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Him in his business.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
And it's like, and that's we're forgetting that most other
people are stressed and feeling anxiety.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
And it's no wonder.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
People are more open to things like meditation and relaxation
than they were before because society is a gotten to
them and be we've thankfully normalized wellness a little bit more.
It's kind of crazy. Wellness is so big. It to me,
it shows that sickness is so.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Big, you know. It's not that we're like that much
more awakened.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
It just means like, well, we really need this, and
so an industry pops in to really help.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
It's so funny you said that, because I literally am
thinking in my head is like you realize it may
be and I'm gonna be generous with this. Five years.
I say five years because I feel like it started
more when the pandemic happened. Pandemic What the word is
that guy? Pandemic? Guy said I should have just been
more Italian and French with it, said pandemic. Maybe that
(13:41):
was that probably was the Spanish way of saying it. Pandemica. Guys.
I'm sorry, but pandemic there we are happened Everybody now
started saying we need more work life balance. I feel
like that's when it now became like an integral part
of the workforce. And it never seem to have been
a part of the integral work first before until now.
(14:04):
And I'm going, well, you just said it best, like
this is now something that we appreciate. And I'm sitting
here going, yeah, we never appreciated it before until recently.
And that's to me, is one scary, but two unbrateful.
But it's it's insane that it took us to this
(14:24):
time in recent years in order for us to appreciate
wellness in our lives.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Agreed.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
And for all my friends in college that thought I
was crazy doing yoga and meditation when I was twenty,
now now the world's catching up, and a few of
them might go, so, wait a second, can I what's
that breathwork thing you're doing?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, sometimes some people are a little slowly up. Take
It's fine, we.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Were still so It's okay, It's exactly it's so. But
but it also.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
You know, reminds me that, Okay, someone like Darren who
hasn't been meditating and such like myself for a long time,
our life build up, you know, and without process and skills,
it's like throwing someone into a sport or a cage
match without the tools already, and that's that's a really
difficult thing to do. And then you know, as you
were saying, unboxing the demons so so quickly and on
(15:16):
camera is really tough now for me making the film, Yeah,
it was hard because I'm seeing my friend struggle. I'm
seeing my friends say we should stop this, when I
personally still thought it was good for him because I'm
a big fan of pilgrimage. But that's my that's definitely
my lens. And I saw it as a pilgrimage. But
(15:36):
just because I see it as a pilgrimage doesn't mean
he's choosing it to be a pilgrimage. And I have
tools and he might not have those exact tools.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And either way, if you have tools or not, a pilgrimage.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
And I do a lot of films about, you know, pilgrimage,
you know, adventures on motorcycles through the MLAs and things
like this where no matter how prepared, you're gonna be
afraid and you're gonna be you know, at your worst.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
And it's not fun out to have that on camera.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Now, it makes for great story and it makes it
helps the other people and I that could never that
during the process, that never necessarily is enough to help
say hey, this is going to help other people.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
It's like, yeah, but this is me right now and
I'm in it.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
You know. It's like if you're sick with cancer or
something and saying, well, it's going to help other people
for you to go through this.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
You're like, yeah, but I'd rather not have this right now.
Can it be somebody else?
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Like the reluctant hero that you know we mentioned that
at one point in episode four.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
It's it's every hero in some way doesn't.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Necessarily want the gift that he's been given because it
comes with a.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Lot of responsibility for other people, right and it's like
what it's like kind of like why me? Why did
I have to have it? So you do just have
to bear it.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
And Darren, in many ways, I think bears that for
us to say this is how deep family conditioning can be,
and let me show it to you, because then you can.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
See it a little bit easier on yourself hopefully, and.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
You know, going to therapy is not so bad and
talking about it's not so bad, and we talk about
that whole idea of when the father's gone and you
haven't processed the grief for somebody, or you haven't processed
a relationship and they're gone, it can get worse because
they're no longer there to even fight against.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
And so Darren starts fighting himself in dreams and things,
has night terrors.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
That is really fascinating because we're almost like used to
fight or flight, used to an enemy and we need
it to feel okay.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And that's very, very common. The more I learn about trauma.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
And PTSD, be it be it physical abuse, be it
sex abuse, et cetera, like we get used to fight
or flight. And I have another film that I'm working
on next that that dives more deeply into that specifically.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
But for me, it was.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Difficult holding the line so to speak, that I thought
this was a good, you know, really good thing for him.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
So that was difficult.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It was I got to say emotional myself because you know,
I'm not always getting.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
The best version.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Like Darren trusted me a lot, so there was a
lot of First of all, he's willing to let me
record a lot and know that we could take anything
out that was too crazy. But I'm some because I'm
kind of a grounded individual, I was able to bear
a lot of the venting, if you will, and allow
that to pass so that we could come back together
and keep the film going. So on an emotional level,
(18:23):
I realized very clearly I had to process and do
my own things of letting go and sometimes just to
be honest, just cry like I didn't know why, but
it's because just a lot of emotions going on. I
saw a therapist as well to help a look at
the film, you know, to go through the film and
say am I handling things appropriately?
Speaker 3 (18:44):
We had people from the autism.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Side of things tone the line and look at it
from the autism side and say are we portraying things correctly?
To also then consult with me and say how can
I best support my friend during this process. So, you know,
a wonderful therapist, Daniel Stewart here in Los Angeles, heal
me with with all three of those things. Uh. And
it's just nice to be able to talk to someone
and then them give me some other tools to help
(19:08):
what was a new process for me, you know going through.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah, comic book collection in someone's family history that.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I find it all fascinating, but it's somebody's life, you know.
And thankfully, I think Darren's doing very well with seeing
that people are actually making changes or maybe saying I
want to collect a little differently, or I'm gonna go
say I love you to my son, or it made
me think about myself and my family differently and my parents,
and yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Have to be so hard on myself.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
That stuff really actually does mean something to him versus
someone going, Wow, what a riveting story that was entertaining,
which it is.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Right, but that's really here.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Yeah, I guess my life, guys, relax, so and I
side with Darren. I want to make something entertaining, but ultimately, uh,
it doesn't work for me.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
It's just entertaining it.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
It has to be meaningful, help somebody inquire a little
bit about their life.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Otherwise I'm not sure why I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Doing You're not sure why this is being done and
being bad. I welcome to the life of an end path, everybody.
This is literally what we go through. What he was describing.
I'm literally just going like, I totally get it.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
This is good.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Literally literally the definition and it's interesting what you said
about too, And I'm saying this way earlier before we
end the show because normally I say it at the end,
but I'm gonna say it now. I would love to
have you back here on this show to talk about
that when you're doing your next film, because the aspect
of what you were talking about where you really haven't
(20:44):
processed grief, I haven't really fortunately, fortunately unfortunately I don't
even really know where that falls into. But I had
not had that instance where I hadn't processed the grief.
I have process the grief properly, so I haven't really
had to have those type of dreams. I had a
(21:04):
dream when when my grandmother passed away, even though I
had pressed this to grief, but it was more or
less like going like she's okay. Like it was one
of those things where I see her in my dream
and I, you know, I saw her and she came
to me and she was she basically says to me
that she is okay now that she's gone. So it
wasn't like pro like, it wasn't me dealing with the grief,
it was just making I just wasn't in my mind.
(21:27):
I guess I wanted to make sure she was okay,
even she's not here with us, And when she had
a dream, I was fine with that, So it wasn't
really like a night tremor. But I've had friends and
people who I knew who had experienced that and not
being able to deal with the grief and they are
blaming themselves, and it's it kind of was like that
(21:47):
too with me with with her death as well, because
I was blaming myself in the sense of I wasn't
there for her towards the end. I was, but it was,
but it was but it was like I said something
that I felt may have triggered the death a lot faster.
(22:08):
She had Stage four and I basically said that I
don't know what I would do if you were to leave,
you know. I basically was like, I don't know what
I would do without you. And literally the next day
it just went downhill after that, and she mentioned to
(22:28):
my mom and my sister and everybody how worried I
was about her, and I guess that made her worried
about me to the point that it just upset her.
And it went down in her health even more, to
the point where it was like literally in less than
seventy two hours she left, and I think that probably
(22:53):
was what I needed to have happened in my dream
per se in order to face that not demon, but
that angel on that side of the spectrum. So I
get where he was coming from as far as not
dealing with the grief and having those those those nightmare
(23:14):
tremors and everything, because he feels there was a lot
of things unresolved that he needed to that he needed
to get He not only needed to get out, but
he needed to get out with his father, and he
doesn't have him here to do that. So having to
see that struggle with him in this is is very
(23:36):
cathartic for me in the sense that I totally understand
from this perspective where where you are coming from because
I lived it, and not for nothing. I really wish
I could probably be at this is what I would
say to him. So, Darren, if you were listening to this,
(23:57):
I really wish I could be better with the response
that I'm going to give, but I just would probably
say that I totally understand why you felt the way
you felt throughout this documentary, even going through the potential
regret of not of saying yes to having it done
because you didn't want to see yourself put out there
(24:18):
in such a light. But also it was important for
me to see you in that light because it makes
me feel not alone in my thoughts and how and
what I went through during these steps and these fat
sets of grief, love, hate, all of the above when
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it comes to family. So it was great for me
to see that in another person's perspective and know that
I wasn't the only one that went through this. I
also went through something similar in this way, and it
left the comic part out of it. I'm looking at
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him more on the personal perspective of him and in
his family. So I think that was where for me.
I was just like this hit home and I really
appreciated that you did go through and say and tell
your story because it made it made me feel It
made me feel like I know now that I am
not by myself in retrospect, so but just felt I
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needed to share that and this is.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
No I love that, and I'll convey that to him
because that that'll mean a lot to him, and you know, yeah, hopefully, yeah,
give him a little give himself a little pat in
the back, or a little bit more of a knowing
that it was worth it.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
It was worth it, and it's it's definitely as you
as I said earlier, it's very cathartic for this, and
I think it really was. It definitely was necessary. And
I kind of want to rewind because I caught your
face when I said I wouldn't sell it. I want
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to ask you would you?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
That's why I made the face. I'm always amazed at
those that wouldn't. I really am, because that that amount
of money, which can you know it's not.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I didn't want to sell my two Excel Robot. There's
no way I would want to sell a comic book
of that stature. I My mom calls me the biggest hoarder,
so I literally could not see myself doing it. And
if I still had my two Excel robot at almost
forty years old and it was going to be worth
millions of dollars, I still would have had that two
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Excel Robut.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
In my house, maybe there's like there are just like
two kinds of people, those that like to collect and
have things and those that are more like No, I'd
rather than just the simplicity or.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
The zen the zen of it all.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
But yeah, I would just so sell it so quickly
because but I love that Darren would like it to
go to the right kind of person if he did
sell it, and and that's something I think I would
I would resonate too. I don't think I would put
it to auction. I think it'd be nice to know
who's buying it, buying it to negotiate with someone directly,
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know who's hands it in. That was something of that statue,
you know, like one of the top four Superman books
in the world, in the world. So yeah, it's helt
because like, to me, that money I could go maybe
start a self sufficient home in the woods, and that's
taking one love for another one, and I would really
love that.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Way, you know. With maybe I need to rethink my
thought approach on this, because i'd literally just posted a
meal on my Instagram and Facebook yesterday where it literally
said and I meant it too, guys, just FYI. So
it basically said it was two memes. So the first
one was it says, people, I'm near your house, and
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then the response to that from me goes, well, get
away from it. And then the second one goes, I
don't care if you see me sitting on my porch.
If I tell you I'm not home, I'm not home.
So I'm literally the guy that I will pretty much
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not I will become a hermit without any problem whatsoever.
So you saying that I would literally be that guy
that would like to have the home like secluded from
any and everybody. I just want to be around the
lake and the point to where I can have a
campfire out, make smores and it's literally just being my
own solitude. I am that guy.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I love my people. Don't get me wrong, Guys, I
love my people. Everyone knows I love my people. But
when you need to basically be all yourself and away
from everybody, I want to basically be some wor secluded
and not be around anybody. I am totally that guy.
So I completely understand when you said that.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
I just yes, exactly, and I'm likewise, I'm social, but
oh give me some nature and lake.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I'm similar water, water, water.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
That's why I live near the you know, the west
side of that let where I'm i gonna get to
go see the ocean and connect again. And Michigan is
a great place for lakes and seclusion. Michigan is a
very good place for that. You can find a lot
of little places.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
But yeah, you're.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Exactly, but I would definitely say, you know, in Tony
was similar. There's a guy Tony in the film.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I thought one and ftant.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
He said, I would go into the woods right away,
and you know that, I think most people think that.
I was really surprised with Josh, the hatchback kid and
his father. Now Josh has I don't think this is
a spoiler, you know, because there's so many characters and
there they're so fun to watch, but he has such
health issues and has since he was a kid. You know,
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he's on his third kidney transplant, he's got biled ateral
issues with his hips.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
He's probably about four foot eight, you know, and just
failure to thrive is what he calls it.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
And oh my gosh, could three million dollars help them
when it comes to just health and just general living
and be on those then deal comics just for fun.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
And likewise, him and his father were like, no way
would I.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Sell that, And that that was probably the one that
blew me away the most because that.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, I get that too, because that that'd also be
a struggle as well, because I'm going, like I really
don't want to part ways with it, but if I
need it, like if I if something life threatening happened
to where we know we can't get the funds anywhere else,
but we know we can. From this perspective, I would
totally do it because unfortunately it it, it's to help you,
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it's to help somebody, it could help me save the life.
And I as much as I really wouldn't want to
part ways with it, I would do for that reason.
I would do it in a heartbeat, for sure.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I think that would be the only time I would
ever want to sell something where I know that I
would be able to make bank from it is because
of that reason.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
So yes, and so that you know that then kind
of brings us back to like Darren's father, and you go, well,
if you knew this was causing so much problem with
your family and so many issues with your wife, why
wouldn't you start to curb your addiction if you're living,
you know, to to help those you love.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
And he he just Darren what you know?
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Says it once where he said you know, if if
you know it's like well, okay, he late late in
life got diagnosed with Asperger's and he kind of denied it,
you know, the father and he said, well, if you're
denying it, then you're kind of accepting that you're just
being a jerk to us. Then you know that you
really you do recognize our emotions, but you're unwilling to
(31:57):
accept them. And you know you're over rationalized, you know,
and and obsessive, but you're still not.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Will willing to change.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Yeah, and everyone around you is telling us, so you're saying,
like everybody's crazy, not you, And that I think was
very hard for for Darren. You know, to win the
person that you're supposed to get love from is just
not choosing to love you and in the way that
you want. I mean, he was he was supported well
and you know, I mean Darren's dad, you know that
good education, he supported him in sports. So there was
(32:28):
a lot of love in different ways. But I know
that can be very hard as a kid to see that.
And this this is like to me, one of the
more interesting things is Darren still toward the end, you know,
really wanted to figure out that thing that would make
his dad click and see him and find like so
his dad could finally see him and love him for
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who he was. And I think that pained Darren Moore
was thinking that Darren was supposed to find the thing
and figure out that clue or that key that was
to unlock his father to see him back. And that
still keeps putting the onus back on the person when
it's really the other that's you know, and that's the
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hard part. You know, you keep blaming yourself in some
ways for why the other person isn't loving you, and
I think that's the tough tough cycles to get.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Out of emotionally.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
That is so freaking true, unreal man that, but it's
absolutely accurate, and that's very difficult to get past because
he says, like, if you really, if you really can't
get pasted on forgiving yourself, especially because you're putting the
blame on yourself thinking it's your fault, you're never going
(33:41):
to get over that grief in any way. So it
totally makes sense, and I completely agree on.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I do, and he knows it, and he knows it intellectually, like,
yeah he does.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
And he's like, but you know, intellectually and feeling.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Are totally different things, right, so manic, you know, a
very different thing. They're such a smart, smart guy and
he's been to he totally understands it all. But you know,
all that said, I just want to you know, it's
still a very fun movie, right, like for or a
fun series. Yeah, it's very fun and entertaining.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
While we're in.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
These listen, I'm just watching the video clips of Comic
Con and I'm going, like, my god, I went to
my first one last year, did you I did in
San Diego and wow. Yeah. I went to the mother
Ship for the first time in twenty three during the
writer strike, and so I got to experience what it
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was like for the writer's strike and then once the
writers strike was over, and it's completely two different cocks
for sure. And it's just because you know now that
the stars came back to it. You just saw like
literally everybody and thereon.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
So what you went in twenty three and twenty four
basically is that we did I did.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I was there in twenty three, so I was there
during the writers strike, yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, twenty three Rights Trick, so I was there. So
it was great to see it on the perspective of
the Writer's Trick because everybody was now in the convention
center since there wasn't really anything going on. Outside or
an age, so now pretty much everybody was in the building,
so I got to really see a lot more people
be more invested in what was happening with the comics
(35:20):
in the convention center last year, so I thought that
was really really cool. And then this year was, you know,
back to normal. Everybody was like, I'm trying, I'm dying
to get into hall Ah to see Ted Pull and Wolverine.
So that's what it was for me this year. And
you know, I still had a great time. I had
so much fun, but it was just so freaking different
(35:42):
between the two years. But being there for the first
time last year and just getting the chance to experience
it was just so surreal. And then getting the opportunities
to meet comic book addicts and get to talk to
them about their love for this. It was just it
was so much fun. It was so interesting, and it
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was just so different than what I was used to
because I used to read and have common books in
my in my house, but I never stuck with it.
And seeing people who have stuck with it and stuck
with it for a very long time, it's just so
interesting and they're very they're very cool people. The cosplay
is amazing. I don't have the time to make those
(36:24):
kind of costumes because I I would not I would
not plan on spending my time trying to make up
these costumes at all. So kudos to all of you
for that devotion. I have none.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
But I dressed up once. I just recently for La
Con I went as Clark and.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
My girlfriend went as like Supergirl.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Not you know, you know, I carrid a briefcase and
you know, not the biggest clerk in the old War glasses.
But it was fun to be a little part of it,
and it is.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah. The only thing I did was one year, the
one year and it was this year. Actually I went
and I wore this nineties outfree so basically it was
it was a shirt and shorts that was the designs
of the Saved by the Bell Intro. So literally I
had all of the designs of the Saved by the
Bell Intro on this outfit. And the one of the
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guys there literally said, are you wearing this because you're
meeting Mark Paul Gosler. I said yes, And that was
not a lie. It was because I was I was
doing a meet and greet with Mark Paul Gosler at con.
Then that's why I wore it. So it was the
only time I really kind of did something and that
was it. And I don't think you'll probably expect any
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more of me than that, But good for you.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
You did it.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I did it at least once, so you got that.
As minimal as it is, but it was. It was
a lot of fun. I really, I really thoroughly enjoyed it.
So and you know, I'm looking forward to being there
again in twenty six, twenty five, twenty six. Yes I'll
be there in twenty six two, but yes, I will
be there in twenty five.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
I might take a break.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
I've kind of been living in comic books for three years,
so I might just take a break from the cons.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Sometimes we need that, though so exactly, sometimes we need that.
So it's a potential that I might take a break
after twenty five. So you know, I wanted to go
again because it's right around the time, right before I
turned forty, so I kind of wanted to make it
semi early birthday celebration for that, and then maybe twenty
six I may step back for a year, but we'll
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see what happens. So never say never, because my mind
changes all.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
The time, of course, but especially with friends. It's a
fun place to be celebrated, that is true.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
My memories of it are because we filmed in twenty
two and twenty three at San Diego, so we're always
a lot of working, a lot of care and camera
all day long.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
So my memories are pain physically painful. It works. I
have never really been to a.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
People's painful trying that tripod around the entire week and
I was like, if I don't develop any soulder muscles
from this, I don't know what I'm doing in my life.
But it was. It was. It was hard dragging down
around all day for four days and I did it
though in heat. But it's okay. But I do have
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to ask, how was the premiere war? What I definitely
want to know how because.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Premiere here in La was fantastic, was fantastic.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
The diversity of the crowd was amazing in terms of
the backgrounds of be it mental health, be it yogic,
be it comic book lover, be it filmmaker.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
It was. It was nice to see everyone could really,
you know, join in.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
And as Ash Crossing said, she said, and she's she
used to interview on E and she's a big comic
on interviewer, so she's from the you know, the the
nerd world.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
She would say world and.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Uh she she said, there's an access point for everyone
in this story. And I really love that because that's
that's what I felt from the LA premiere, was that
people from no matter what angler are coming from, They're like, oh,
I can.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Relate to that somewhere. Be it the collector, be it
the family story, be it just like what would you do?
Be it just wow, what a family portrait. So the
energy was really good. The Q and A was amazing.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Gosh.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
We had a great uh uh moderator, step Stephen Siegel,
who wrote a book about Superman, and I don't think
I've ever seen anyone as.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Live lively as a moderator than him. He was great.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Kevin Shinnick, who's in the film, Who's just fun. He
used to host Where in the World Is Carmen San Diego?
Uh and and my jam Man Right.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
So Kevin, Kevin way right, Kevin Uh.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
When I first got to LA, we're in the same
acting class. So I became friends with Kevin then and
I didn't really even know un till I was doing
this that he was such a prolific writer in the
comic world, comic and Spider Man and all these things
and Robot.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Chicken, so we had him in the film.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
He was on the Q and A and Chris Vogler,
who's a myth expert. Like to me, these are really
fun people to talk to. Chris is a kind of
a legend to me in LA with archetypes and mythology.
And so, to answer your question, La was great. I
thought the energy was amazing, The Q and A was amazing,
and it's hard to get people out sometimes in La
two events.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
I don't know if the rest of the country realizes it,
but in LA, for some reason, people have a hard
time showing up, you know, because there's so much to
do here, I.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Think is what it is. There's always so many events.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
But it's true.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Yeah, but people showed up and it was awesome. Landmark
Theater was beautiful. I think it was really cool.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I totally relate to that last statement of that there's
there's a lot of events going on in LA, and
I believe me. I was in LA for Paley Fest
back in April for a few of the panels that
I wanted to attend thankfully. And as you said, there
was also Coachella going on the same weekend, so people
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who did not show up it was because they went
to Coachella the same weekend. So it's like, yeah, that
is true, I get it.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
But yeah, you can watch three different comedy shows on
any given note. You can probably there's probably three cool counselors,
ten cool you know, there is a lot going on here,
and then sometimes you just want to you, like I said,
I want to sit on your porch and just chill
the f.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Out and just tell everybody I'm not here. Even though
I am home, i am not home. So just absolutely
I believe it. But this was great, man, I really
appreciate it. And this I can't believe we've been on
here for almost forty five minutes. This is just that
just shows how great this conversation was to me.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
But likewise, I appreciate you talking about the mental health
stuff too and opening up about that.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
That's cool absolutely, and selling Superman is available now for
you to watch. Where can they see this set?
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Just let them know again, Yeah, people can buy it
on Apple, on Amazon, on Google Play, and yeah, we
would love if they, you know, go out and.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Watch it right now.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Definitely check it out. You guys won't regret it, and
it will definitely make you think. And that is what
most documentaries, if not all documentaries are what are supposed
to do. Mean you, thanks, Adam, really appreciate it. And
like I said earlier, please this seat is always open
for you to come back and sit in. We'd love
to have you back, all.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Right, Noville.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Yeah, and the next one's called Aaron's Laugh, So if
you check out aaron'sloftfilm dot com you can see the
sizzle of it and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
And yeah, I can come on anytime and talk about
that one. We're early in the process, but it's it's
it's something else. Man.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Definitely seat safe for you. Appreciate it. Thanks brother, Thanks man, Maddie.
Thanks to Adam Schulmer for stopping by the Buzzcast to
talk about Sellig Superman, which you can stream all four
parts of this documentary on Amazon Prime. Please give it
a watch. I would love to know your thoughts, but
that's going to do it for me for right now.
On our first show of twenty twenty five, I'm the
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's going on everybody? It's novel jay Lee and Happy
New Year. We are back with a new buzzcast. Here
Buzzworthy Radio for you. I'm so excited to be back
and sharing some new episodes with you. And some of
these episodes we filmed last year, but we are now
finally getting them uploaded for you, so stay tuned. We
got more coming. But first up, we have director Adam Schomer.
(00:37):
I have the chance to talk to him about the
four part documentary series called Selling Superman. And this delves
into a man by the name of Darren Watts and
he discovers a very very big secret. His father, who
had Aspergers, kept comic books in his home hidden from
(01:01):
the rest of the family. The family did not know.
He winds up finding this out after his father died
when he discovers this in this room in the father's home,
and we got to talk about the fact that Selling
Superman it basically is the title. In order to help
(01:21):
his family, he has to make the decision if he
wants to sell these old comic books, particularly a Superman
comic that is rare, that is worth so much money,
and he has to grapple with the fact that he
has to make this unfortunate decision. I say unfortunate because
it's unfortunate. On it either ends and we get to
(01:43):
talk to Adam about that and even find out what
would my decision have been if I were put into
that situation. Would I sell or would I keep that magazine?
I don't know. When we get into the conversation, I'm
wondering what you guys would have perceived to be your answer.
We dove into that, and we also delved into mental health,
(02:04):
and as a big proponent of it on this show
as well as in my own life, it was a
great conversation to get involved in with Adam to talk
about this and a whole lot more that we dove
into that I felt was very, very deep and I
thoroughly enjoyed this conversation with him, and I hope you
do too. So here it is our interview with Selling
(02:25):
Superman director Adam Schulmer.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Check it out.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Selling is Superman. This four part documentary series which just
premiered and correctly on the data if it's wrong. But
I believe it was the eighteenth of November where this dropped.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And I started taking a look at it, and it's
a very interesting twist to something that I feel that
a lot of people would be so happy to find.
But it's really, in essence not so happy in a
lot of in a lot of aspects for this documentary,
(03:00):
just a little background and police come in and fill
in the gaps for me about this for everybody who
hasn't seen it yet, It's about a man. His name
is Darren, and I believe you both have went to
school together. You guys were on the soccer team together.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeh, high school.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Reconnected after so many years, I think it was like
over twenty plus years. He finds, Darren finds a collection
of these old comic books of his fathers who had
He had Aspergers by the way, his father had Aspergers,
and it was it was a secret, it was unknown
to anybody, and it was over my gosh. The amount
(03:41):
of comic books that they found was absolutely yeah, insane.
Go ahead and say, because I was going.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
To see, yeah, three hundred thousand comic books.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I was gonna say, three hundred thousand, and I thought,
I don't think I have the number right, so let
me let me say but yes, that's exactly what I
was gonna say. Was three hundred thousand, three hundred thousand
comic books, one of which was the Superman comic seven
point zero and worth three point five million dollars by
the way, three probably million dollars. And he's wrestling with
(04:10):
the fact of not only finding this comic book collection,
but it's like it asked the age old question would
you sell would you sell this? Would you sell these?
And I'm sitting here going like, if it were me,
I would not sell it because I would want to
collect it and keep it. As I feel like this
is just me, and again not speaking for anybody, if
(04:32):
I had something like this in my possession, I would
not sell it. I couldn't. I couldn't part my I
couldn't part with it. But he has a different story,
and even on the first episode, I'm just gonna let
you guys know now if you haven't seen it, even
in the first episode, there is a big there was
just even the first five minutes, it begs the question
(04:53):
like he he's regretting this documentary. Yes, he's regretting having
this made, and like and like you you laughed in
the text message Bubble, I even said the same thing.
I was like, I don't think he was serious. I
think it was joking. And he's literally going, I'm not joking,
I'm dead to write serious. I'm regretting this move. So
(05:14):
let's talk about let's talk about that. So, yeah, literally
your experience doing this with him, how did you even
decide to go ahead and make this documentary to put
out there for everybody to be able to see. And
then did you as soon as you heard from him
that he started having regrets about it, did you want
(05:34):
to stop? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Okay, Well, so I start with the first one.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
He we were, you know, we did play high school
soccer together a couple of years apart, so we weren't,
you know, hanging a ton, but you bond over soccer,
and so twenty twenty five years can.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Pass and you still connect with somebody.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
And then eventually, even after that, then he called me
and dropped this bomb on me that hey.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
You didn't know this, and none of us knew this.
His father a I didn't know his father had Asperger's
b I had no clue.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
There was a four to five room, you know, monolith
of comic books building in this guy's house, under sheets
and boxes that Darren himself never really could look at.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
His dad wouldn't let him, so we had we had
no idea this was going on.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
But when Darren told me about it on the phone
and I know where exactly where I was, and then
he mentioned the Superman number one that could be worth
three million, four million dollars. First of all, I was
blown away that a comic book could be worth that much,
coming from outside the comic.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Book community, you know. I wondered how we get to
this valuation?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Who are the people buying these books, how are they
holding on to them?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
What's the whole commodity driven market of it?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
That was fascinating and so but then I said, okay,
let me just come film you and.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Your mom and brother before the old house.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Died gets sold.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
And that ends up being a lot of Episode one
Is Me Alone, actually very cinema verite, And wow, did
these people come to life? And I learned so much
more about his.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Mom, his father, his brother than I had any idea about.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
And then seeing the marks and the carpet you start
to understand like how heavy and the amount of these comics.
So this was all before Darren had you know, this
was at that point Darren had already moved.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Him out of the house and put it in.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
This cool fortress of solitude, if you will. But he
built his own crystal fortress with climate control.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
So that's how that's how it all started. Once I
filmed them.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
In Michigan at the Old House, I realized, Wow, these
people are amazing. The story is amazing, much deeper than
I thought. It's way beyond a treasure story, because that's
one thing, a lottery. But Darren himself is a self
made man.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
He didn't necessarily need the money, so.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
It really did beg the question, then what do you
do with it? Do you sell it to someone else?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Do you keep it? It's painful.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
It reminds you of your dad and the way he
treated you and the way the comics broke the family up.
But it's God, it's Superman, right, and it's one of
the best in the world. I mean, it's crazy that
I've been making docs for fifteen years and my friend
that ends up being the guy that has a Superman
like it's you know, and people in Michigan don't know
a lot of you know, documentary filmmakers. You know, in
(08:10):
LA maybe it's a little more common where Oh yeah,
my buddy has documentary films. But and I you know,
I've lived here now sixteen years in LA But it
just so happens. And so it's really the perfect storm
of coming together. And then he did trust me enough
to get back to your second part of the question
to start making this film. But even amidst that and
(08:30):
the trust one would have for a conscious filmmaker, I
do a lot of stuff that deals with the inner
world and growth and be a trusted friend. And he
knows I'm an integral guy, you know, he knows I'm
just not out there shitting on the world. Part part
of my French trying to do something to help.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And still emits that.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
You know, when push comes to shove and it's your
past and it's trauma and it's stress and anxiety and
you're on boxing it on camera while you're processing it,
that's a lot because then you realize, oh, people are
going to see me mid process, not after process, you know,
(09:11):
or they're going to see me forever in a certain way.
I know, he's thinking that this is how people are
going to think. This is Darren, it's his collection, and
what about everything else I've.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Done in my life?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
And that's what he's.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Thinking, What about the businesses I've built? What about I'm
a father of four? And that I think along.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
With the buzz of he sold a big book and that,
you know, we see that in episode three and all
the trolls coming out. That was the first moment where
he's like, what am I doing? Stop the press? We
got to stop this film and it becomes the beginning
of the movie.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And it did happen, you.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Know, two or three times where he you know, we
didn't put all that in the film, but or in
the series, but there was many times where he's like,
I don't know if this is really the right thing
for me.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
So it was it was tough to see that, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I I kind of wanted to get into that a
little bit because it was when this was pitched to
me to speak with you and learning more about it.
One of the things that really popped out was about
how you're dealing with mental mental health in this and
coming from someone who has expressed numerous times on this show,
not only in the mental health advocate. I have suffered
(10:20):
mental health breakdowns and it's not something I shy away
from and it's something I always want to highlight and
just seeing that it just seeing that phrase alone, it
just kind of made me understand a little bit more
towards Darren a little bit that he You've said it yourself,
(10:41):
and I think it kind of helps a lot with this,
is that during this entire process, there were demons he
had to face when he basically found not only finding
this comic book collection, but then with the struggle of
selling it and then going ahead and selling it. He's
now visited with that trauma again of what happened with
his father, and you were in the thick of that.
(11:02):
Oh yeah, you were in the thick of that. He
was in the thick of that for having to relive it.
And I think it was an interesting point too, where
you just said that everybody's now going to see that,
and it kind of makes me think about when I
talk about mental health, everybody gives you know, there's this
stigma around it, and there's people who are going to
feel some type of way about Darren as a person
(11:25):
that probably he doesn't want them to see and they're
going to wind up seeing it anyway, And for me,
I look at it on the other side of the
spectrum where I'm going like, dude, I feel you right
now for this because I've been there. I understand it.
Maybe not to the capacity because I never had a
three point five million dollar comic book in my possession,
but I understand what you're going through as far as
(11:49):
the thought process of it by something that was so personal.
Is another human being that you now have in your
possession and it's now making you think about everything in
your mind about said person. I'm right there with you
on that, So just having to watch that just you
kind of already said that about your feelings of being
(12:12):
a part of it, but really when you were in
the thick of that, what was going through your mind?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
And thank you for being an advocate and someone that
speaks up. Because the more we normalize going to therapy
and talking about you know, depression, anxiety, whatever it is,
stress in this mood of society, I think the better
off we all are.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And because I think it's a.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Normal worry and Darren probably probably worried about I don't
want to put words in his mouth that if he
comes off as stress and anxiety, will people want to
work with.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Him in his business.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
And it's like, and that's we're forgetting that most other
people are stressed and feeling anxiety.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
And it's no wonder.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
People are more open to things like meditation and relaxation
than they were before because society is a gotten to
them and be we've thankfully normalized wellness a little bit more.
It's kind of crazy. Wellness is so big. It to me,
it shows that sickness is so.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Big, you know. It's not that we're like that much
more awakened.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
It just means like, well, we really need this, and
so an industry pops in to really help.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
It's so funny you said that, because I literally am
thinking in my head is like you realize it may
be and I'm gonna be generous with this. Five years.
I say five years because I feel like it started
more when the pandemic happened. Pandemic What the word is
that guy? Pandemic? Guy said I should have just been
more Italian and French with it, said pandemic. Maybe that
(13:41):
was that probably was the Spanish way of saying it. Pandemica. Guys.
I'm sorry, but pandemic there we are happened Everybody now
started saying we need more work life balance. I feel
like that's when it now became like an integral part
of the workforce. And it never seem to have been
a part of the integral work first before until now.
(14:04):
And I'm going, well, you just said it best, like
this is now something that we appreciate. And I'm sitting
here going, yeah, we never appreciated it before until recently.
And that's to me, is one scary, but two unbrateful.
But it's it's insane that it took us to this
(14:24):
time in recent years in order for us to appreciate
wellness in our lives.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Agreed.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
And for all my friends in college that thought I
was crazy doing yoga and meditation when I was twenty,
now now the world's catching up, and a few of
them might go, so, wait a second, can I what's
that breathwork thing you're doing?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, sometimes some people are a little slowly up. Take
It's fine, we.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Were still so It's okay, It's exactly it's so. But
but it also.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
You know, reminds me that, Okay, someone like Darren who
hasn't been meditating and such like myself for a long time,
our life build up, you know, and without process and skills,
it's like throwing someone into a sport or a cage
match without the tools already, and that's that's a really
difficult thing to do. And then you know, as you
were saying, unboxing the demons so so quickly and on
(15:16):
camera is really tough now for me making the film, Yeah,
it was hard because I'm seeing my friend struggle. I'm
seeing my friends say we should stop this, when I
personally still thought it was good for him because I'm
a big fan of pilgrimage. But that's my that's definitely
my lens. And I saw it as a pilgrimage. But
(15:36):
just because I see it as a pilgrimage doesn't mean
he's choosing it to be a pilgrimage. And I have
tools and he might not have those exact tools.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And either way, if you have tools or not, a pilgrimage.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
And I do a lot of films about, you know, pilgrimage,
you know, adventures on motorcycles through the MLAs and things
like this where no matter how prepared, you're gonna be
afraid and you're gonna be you know, at your worst.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
And it's not fun out to have that on camera.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Now, it makes for great story and it makes it
helps the other people and I that could never that
during the process, that never necessarily is enough to help
say hey, this is going to help other people.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
It's like, yeah, but this is me right now and
I'm in it.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
You know. It's like if you're sick with cancer or
something and saying, well, it's going to help other people
for you to go through this.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
You're like, yeah, but I'd rather not have this right now.
Can it be somebody else?
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Like the reluctant hero that you know we mentioned that
at one point in episode four.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
It's it's every hero in some way doesn't.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Necessarily want the gift that he's been given because it
comes with a.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Lot of responsibility for other people, right and it's like
what it's like kind of like why me? Why did
I have to have it? So you do just have
to bear it.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
And Darren, in many ways, I think bears that for
us to say this is how deep family conditioning can be,
and let me show it to you, because then you can.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
See it a little bit easier on yourself hopefully, and.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
You know, going to therapy is not so bad and
talking about it's not so bad, and we talk about
that whole idea of when the father's gone and you
haven't processed the grief for somebody, or you haven't processed
a relationship and they're gone, it can get worse because
they're no longer there to even fight against.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
And so Darren starts fighting himself in dreams and things,
has night terrors.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
That is really fascinating because we're almost like used to
fight or flight, used to an enemy and we need
it to feel okay.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And that's very, very common. The more I learn about trauma.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
And PTSD, be it be it physical abuse, be it
sex abuse, et cetera, like we get used to fight
or flight. And I have another film that I'm working
on next that that dives more deeply into that specifically.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
But for me, it was.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Difficult holding the line so to speak, that I thought
this was a good, you know, really good thing for him.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
So that was difficult.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It was I got to say emotional myself because you know,
I'm not always getting.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
The best version.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Like Darren trusted me a lot, so there was a
lot of First of all, he's willing to let me
record a lot and know that we could take anything
out that was too crazy. But I'm some because I'm
kind of a grounded individual, I was able to bear
a lot of the venting, if you will, and allow
that to pass so that we could come back together
and keep the film going. So on an emotional level,
(18:23):
I realized very clearly I had to process and do
my own things of letting go and sometimes just to
be honest, just cry like I didn't know why, but
it's because just a lot of emotions going on. I
saw a therapist as well to help a look at
the film, you know, to go through the film and
say am I handling things appropriately?
Speaker 3 (18:44):
We had people from the autism.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Side of things tone the line and look at it
from the autism side and say are we portraying things correctly?
To also then consult with me and say how can
I best support my friend during this process. So, you know,
a wonderful therapist, Daniel Stewart here in Los Angeles, heal
me with with all three of those things. Uh. And
it's just nice to be able to talk to someone
and then them give me some other tools to help
(19:08):
what was a new process for me, you know going through.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah, comic book collection in someone's family history that.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I find it all fascinating, but it's somebody's life, you know.
And thankfully, I think Darren's doing very well with seeing
that people are actually making changes or maybe saying I
want to collect a little differently, or I'm gonna go
say I love you to my son, or it made
me think about myself and my family differently and my parents,
and yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Have to be so hard on myself.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
That stuff really actually does mean something to him versus
someone going, Wow, what a riveting story that was entertaining,
which it is.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Right, but that's really here.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Yeah, I guess my life, guys, relax, so and I
side with Darren. I want to make something entertaining, but ultimately, uh,
it doesn't work for me.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
It's just entertaining it.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
It has to be meaningful, help somebody inquire a little
bit about their life.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Otherwise I'm not sure why I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Doing You're not sure why this is being done and
being bad. I welcome to the life of an end path, everybody.
This is literally what we go through. What he was describing.
I'm literally just going like, I totally get it.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
This is good.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Literally literally the definition and it's interesting what you said
about too, And I'm saying this way earlier before we
end the show because normally I say it at the end,
but I'm gonna say it now. I would love to
have you back here on this show to talk about
that when you're doing your next film, because the aspect
of what you were talking about where you really haven't
(20:44):
processed grief, I haven't really fortunately, fortunately unfortunately I don't
even really know where that falls into. But I had
not had that instance where I hadn't processed the grief.
I have process the grief properly, so I haven't really
had to have those type of dreams. I had a
(21:04):
dream when when my grandmother passed away, even though I
had pressed this to grief, but it was more or
less like going like she's okay. Like it was one
of those things where I see her in my dream
and I, you know, I saw her and she came
to me and she was she basically says to me
that she is okay now that she's gone. So it
wasn't like pro like, it wasn't me dealing with the grief,
it was just making I just wasn't in my mind.
(21:27):
I guess I wanted to make sure she was okay,
even she's not here with us, And when she had
a dream, I was fine with that, So it wasn't
really like a night tremor. But I've had friends and
people who I knew who had experienced that and not
being able to deal with the grief and they are
blaming themselves, and it's it kind of was like that
(21:47):
too with me with with her death as well, because
I was blaming myself in the sense of I wasn't
there for her towards the end. I was, but it was,
but it was but it was like I said something
that I felt may have triggered the death a lot faster.
(22:08):
She had Stage four and I basically said that I
don't know what I would do if you were to leave,
you know. I basically was like, I don't know what
I would do without you. And literally the next day
it just went downhill after that, and she mentioned to
(22:28):
my mom and my sister and everybody how worried I
was about her, and I guess that made her worried
about me to the point that it just upset her.
And it went down in her health even more, to
the point where it was like literally in less than
seventy two hours she left, and I think that probably
(22:53):
was what I needed to have happened in my dream
per se in order to face that not demon, but
that angel on that side of the spectrum. So I
get where he was coming from as far as not
dealing with the grief and having those those those nightmare
(23:14):
tremors and everything, because he feels there was a lot
of things unresolved that he needed to that he needed
to get He not only needed to get out, but
he needed to get out with his father, and he
doesn't have him here to do that. So having to
see that struggle with him in this is is very
(23:36):
cathartic for me in the sense that I totally understand
from this perspective where where you are coming from because
I lived it, and not for nothing. I really wish
I could probably be at this is what I would
say to him. So, Darren, if you were listening to this,
(23:57):
I really wish I could be better with the response
that I'm going to give, but I just would probably
say that I totally understand why you felt the way
you felt throughout this documentary, even going through the potential
regret of not of saying yes to having it done
because you didn't want to see yourself put out there
(24:18):
in such a light. But also it was important for
me to see you in that light because it makes
me feel not alone in my thoughts and how and
what I went through during these steps and these fat
sets of grief, love, hate, all of the above when
(24:40):
it comes to family. So it was great for me
to see that in another person's perspective and know that
I wasn't the only one that went through this. I
also went through something similar in this way, and it
left the comic part out of it. I'm looking at
(25:01):
him more on the personal perspective of him and in
his family. So I think that was where for me.
I was just like this hit home and I really
appreciated that you did go through and say and tell
your story because it made it made me feel It
made me feel like I know now that I am
not by myself in retrospect, so but just felt I
(25:29):
needed to share that and this is.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
No I love that, and I'll convey that to him
because that that'll mean a lot to him, and you know, yeah, hopefully, yeah,
give him a little give himself a little pat in
the back, or a little bit more of a knowing
that it was worth it.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
It was worth it, and it's it's definitely as you
as I said earlier, it's very cathartic for this, and
I think it really was. It definitely was necessary. And
I kind of want to rewind because I caught your
face when I said I wouldn't sell it. I want
(26:02):
to ask you would you?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
That's why I made the face. I'm always amazed at
those that wouldn't. I really am, because that that amount
of money, which can you know it's not.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I didn't want to sell my two Excel Robot. There's
no way I would want to sell a comic book
of that stature. I My mom calls me the biggest hoarder,
so I literally could not see myself doing it. And
if I still had my two Excel robot at almost
forty years old and it was going to be worth
millions of dollars, I still would have had that two
(26:42):
Excel Robut.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
In my house, maybe there's like there are just like
two kinds of people, those that like to collect and
have things and those that are more like No, I'd
rather than just the simplicity or.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
The zen the zen of it all.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
But yeah, I would just so sell it so quickly
because but I love that Darren would like it to
go to the right kind of person if he did
sell it, and and that's something I think I would
I would resonate too. I don't think I would put
it to auction. I think it'd be nice to know
who's buying it, buying it to negotiate with someone directly,
(27:21):
know who's hands it in. That was something of that statue,
you know, like one of the top four Superman books
in the world, in the world. So yeah, it's helt
because like, to me, that money I could go maybe
start a self sufficient home in the woods, and that's
taking one love for another one, and I would really
love that.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Way, you know. With maybe I need to rethink my
thought approach on this, because i'd literally just posted a
meal on my Instagram and Facebook yesterday where it literally
said and I meant it too, guys, just FYI. So
it basically said it was two memes. So the first
one was it says, people, I'm near your house, and
(28:05):
then the response to that from me goes, well, get
away from it. And then the second one goes, I
don't care if you see me sitting on my porch.
If I tell you I'm not home, I'm not home.
So I'm literally the guy that I will pretty much
(28:27):
not I will become a hermit without any problem whatsoever.
So you saying that I would literally be that guy
that would like to have the home like secluded from
any and everybody. I just want to be around the
lake and the point to where I can have a
campfire out, make smores and it's literally just being my
own solitude. I am that guy.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I love my people. Don't get me wrong, Guys, I
love my people. Everyone knows I love my people. But
when you need to basically be all yourself and away
from everybody, I want to basically be some wor secluded
and not be around anybody. I am totally that guy.
So I completely understand when you said that.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
I just yes, exactly, and I'm likewise, I'm social, but
oh give me some nature and lake.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I'm similar water, water, water.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
That's why I live near the you know, the west
side of that let where I'm i gonna get to
go see the ocean and connect again. And Michigan is
a great place for lakes and seclusion. Michigan is a
very good place for that. You can find a lot
of little places.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
But yeah, you're.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Exactly, but I would definitely say, you know, in Tony
was similar. There's a guy Tony in the film.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I thought one and ftant.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
He said, I would go into the woods right away,
and you know that, I think most people think that.
I was really surprised with Josh, the hatchback kid and
his father. Now Josh has I don't think this is
a spoiler, you know, because there's so many characters and
there they're so fun to watch, but he has such
health issues and has since he was a kid. You know,
(29:57):
he's on his third kidney transplant, he's got biled ateral
issues with his hips.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
He's probably about four foot eight, you know, and just
failure to thrive is what he calls it.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
And oh my gosh, could three million dollars help them
when it comes to just health and just general living
and be on those then deal comics just for fun.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
And likewise, him and his father were like, no way
would I.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Sell that, And that that was probably the one that
blew me away the most because that.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, I get that too, because that that'd also be
a struggle as well, because I'm going, like I really
don't want to part ways with it, but if I
need it, like if I if something life threatening happened
to where we know we can't get the funds anywhere else,
but we know we can. From this perspective, I would
totally do it because unfortunately it it, it's to help you,
(30:51):
it's to help somebody, it could help me save the life.
And I as much as I really wouldn't want to
part ways with it, I would do for that reason.
I would do it in a heartbeat, for sure.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I think that would be the only time I would
ever want to sell something where I know that I
would be able to make bank from it is because
of that reason.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
So yes, and so that you know that then kind
of brings us back to like Darren's father, and you go, well,
if you knew this was causing so much problem with
your family and so many issues with your wife, why
wouldn't you start to curb your addiction if you're living,
you know, to to help those you love.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
And he he just Darren what you know?
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Says it once where he said you know, if if
you know it's like well, okay, he late late in
life got diagnosed with Asperger's and he kind of denied it,
you know, the father and he said, well, if you're
denying it, then you're kind of accepting that you're just
being a jerk to us. Then you know that you
really you do recognize our emotions, but you're unwilling to
(31:57):
accept them. And you know you're over rationalized, you know,
and and obsessive, but you're still not.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Will willing to change.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Yeah, and everyone around you is telling us, so you're saying,
like everybody's crazy, not you, And that I think was
very hard for for Darren. You know, to win the
person that you're supposed to get love from is just
not choosing to love you and in the way that
you want. I mean, he was he was supported well
and you know, I mean Darren's dad, you know that
good education, he supported him in sports. So there was
(32:28):
a lot of love in different ways. But I know
that can be very hard as a kid to see that.
And this this is like to me, one of the
more interesting things is Darren still toward the end, you know,
really wanted to figure out that thing that would make
his dad click and see him and find like so
his dad could finally see him and love him for
(32:48):
who he was. And I think that pained Darren Moore
was thinking that Darren was supposed to find the thing
and figure out that clue or that key that was
to unlock his father to see him back. And that
still keeps putting the onus back on the person when
it's really the other that's you know, and that's the
(33:09):
hard part. You know, you keep blaming yourself in some
ways for why the other person isn't loving you, and
I think that's the tough tough cycles to get.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Out of emotionally.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
That is so freaking true, unreal man that, but it's
absolutely accurate, and that's very difficult to get past because
he says, like, if you really, if you really can't
get pasted on forgiving yourself, especially because you're putting the
blame on yourself thinking it's your fault, you're never going
(33:41):
to get over that grief in any way. So it
totally makes sense, and I completely agree on.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I do, and he knows it, and he knows it intellectually, like,
yeah he does.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
And he's like, but you know, intellectually and feeling.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Are totally different things, right, so manic, you know, a
very different thing. They're such a smart, smart guy and
he's been to he totally understands it all. But you know,
all that said, I just want to you know, it's
still a very fun movie, right, like for or a
fun series. Yeah, it's very fun and entertaining.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
While we're in.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
These listen, I'm just watching the video clips of Comic
Con and I'm going, like, my god, I went to
my first one last year, did you I did in
San Diego and wow. Yeah. I went to the mother
Ship for the first time in twenty three during the
writer strike, and so I got to experience what it
(34:33):
was like for the writer's strike and then once the
writers strike was over, and it's completely two different cocks
for sure. And it's just because you know now that
the stars came back to it. You just saw like
literally everybody and thereon.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
So what you went in twenty three and twenty four
basically is that we did I did.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I was there in twenty three, so I was there
during the writers strike, yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, twenty three Rights Trick, so I was there. So
it was great to see it on the perspective of
the Writer's Trick because everybody was now in the convention
center since there wasn't really anything going on. Outside or
an age, so now pretty much everybody was in the building,
so I got to really see a lot more people
be more invested in what was happening with the comics
(35:20):
in the convention center last year, so I thought that
was really really cool. And then this year was, you know,
back to normal. Everybody was like, I'm trying, I'm dying
to get into hall Ah to see Ted Pull and Wolverine.
So that's what it was for me this year. And
you know, I still had a great time. I had
so much fun, but it was just so freaking different
(35:42):
between the two years. But being there for the first
time last year and just getting the chance to experience
it was just so surreal. And then getting the opportunities
to meet comic book addicts and get to talk to
them about their love for this. It was just it
was so much fun. It was so interesting, and it
(36:03):
was just so different than what I was used to
because I used to read and have common books in
my in my house, but I never stuck with it.
And seeing people who have stuck with it and stuck
with it for a very long time, it's just so
interesting and they're very they're very cool people. The cosplay
is amazing. I don't have the time to make those
(36:24):
kind of costumes because I I would not I would
not plan on spending my time trying to make up
these costumes at all. So kudos to all of you
for that devotion. I have none.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
But I dressed up once. I just recently for La
Con I went as Clark and.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
My girlfriend went as like Supergirl.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Not you know, you know, I carrid a briefcase and
you know, not the biggest clerk in the old War glasses.
But it was fun to be a little part of it,
and it is.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah. The only thing I did was one year, the
one year and it was this year. Actually I went
and I wore this nineties outfree so basically it was
it was a shirt and shorts that was the designs
of the Saved by the Bell Intro. So literally I
had all of the designs of the Saved by the
Bell Intro on this outfit. And the one of the
(37:16):
guys there literally said, are you wearing this because you're
meeting Mark Paul Gosler. I said yes, And that was
not a lie. It was because I was I was
doing a meet and greet with Mark Paul Gosler at con.
Then that's why I wore it. So it was the
only time I really kind of did something and that
was it. And I don't think you'll probably expect any
(37:40):
more of me than that, But good for you.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
You did it.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I did it at least once, so you got that.
As minimal as it is, but it was. It was
a lot of fun. I really, I really thoroughly enjoyed it.
So and you know, I'm looking forward to being there
again in twenty six, twenty five, twenty six. Yes I'll
be there in twenty six two, but yes, I will
be there in twenty five.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
I might take a break.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
I've kind of been living in comic books for three years,
so I might just take a break from the cons.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Sometimes we need that, though so exactly, sometimes we need that.
So it's a potential that I might take a break
after twenty five. So you know, I wanted to go
again because it's right around the time, right before I
turned forty, so I kind of wanted to make it
semi early birthday celebration for that, and then maybe twenty
six I may step back for a year, but we'll
(38:31):
see what happens. So never say never, because my mind
changes all.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
The time, of course, but especially with friends. It's a
fun place to be celebrated, that is true.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
My memories of it are because we filmed in twenty
two and twenty three at San Diego, so we're always
a lot of working, a lot of care and camera
all day long.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
So my memories are pain physically painful. It works. I
have never really been to a.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
People's painful trying that tripod around the entire week and
I was like, if I don't develop any soulder muscles
from this, I don't know what I'm doing in my life.
But it was. It was. It was hard dragging down
around all day for four days and I did it
though in heat. But it's okay. But I do have
(39:19):
to ask, how was the premiere war? What I definitely
want to know how because.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Premiere here in La was fantastic, was fantastic.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
The diversity of the crowd was amazing in terms of
the backgrounds of be it mental health, be it yogic,
be it comic book lover, be it filmmaker.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
It was. It was nice to see everyone could really,
you know, join in.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
And as Ash Crossing said, she said, and she's she
used to interview on E and she's a big comic
on interviewer, so she's from the you know, the the
nerd world.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
She would say world and.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Uh she she said, there's an access point for everyone
in this story. And I really love that because that's
that's what I felt from the LA premiere, was that
people from no matter what angler are coming from, They're like, oh,
I can.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Relate to that somewhere. Be it the collector, be it
the family story, be it just like what would you do?
Be it just wow, what a family portrait. So the
energy was really good. The Q and A was amazing.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Gosh.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
We had a great uh uh moderator, step Stephen Siegel,
who wrote a book about Superman, and I don't think
I've ever seen anyone as.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Live lively as a moderator than him. He was great.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Kevin Shinnick, who's in the film, Who's just fun. He
used to host Where in the World Is Carmen San Diego?
Uh and and my jam Man Right.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
So Kevin, Kevin way right, Kevin Uh.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
When I first got to LA, we're in the same
acting class. So I became friends with Kevin then and
I didn't really even know un till I was doing
this that he was such a prolific writer in the
comic world, comic and Spider Man and all these things
and Robot.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Chicken, so we had him in the film.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
He was on the Q and A and Chris Vogler,
who's a myth expert. Like to me, these are really
fun people to talk to. Chris is a kind of
a legend to me in LA with archetypes and mythology.
And so, to answer your question, La was great. I
thought the energy was amazing, The Q and A was amazing,
and it's hard to get people out sometimes in La
two events.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
I don't know if the rest of the country realizes it,
but in LA, for some reason, people have a hard
time showing up, you know, because there's so much to
do here, I.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Think is what it is. There's always so many events.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
But it's true.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Yeah, but people showed up and it was awesome. Landmark
Theater was beautiful. I think it was really cool.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I totally relate to that last statement of that there's
there's a lot of events going on in LA, and
I believe me. I was in LA for Paley Fest
back in April for a few of the panels that
I wanted to attend thankfully. And as you said, there
was also Coachella going on the same weekend, so people
(41:53):
who did not show up it was because they went
to Coachella the same weekend. So it's like, yeah, that
is true, I get it.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
But yeah, you can watch three different comedy shows on
any given note. You can probably there's probably three cool counselors,
ten cool you know, there is a lot going on here,
and then sometimes you just want to you, like I said,
I want to sit on your porch and just chill
the f.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Out and just tell everybody I'm not here. Even though
I am home, i am not home. So just absolutely
I believe it. But this was great, man, I really
appreciate it. And this I can't believe we've been on
here for almost forty five minutes. This is just that
just shows how great this conversation was to me.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
But likewise, I appreciate you talking about the mental health
stuff too and opening up about that.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
That's cool absolutely, and selling Superman is available now for
you to watch. Where can they see this set?
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Just let them know again, Yeah, people can buy it
on Apple, on Amazon, on Google Play, and yeah, we
would love if they, you know, go out and.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Watch it right now.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Definitely check it out. You guys won't regret it, and
it will definitely make you think. And that is what
most documentaries, if not all documentaries are what are supposed
to do. Mean you, thanks, Adam, really appreciate it. And
like I said earlier, please this seat is always open
for you to come back and sit in. We'd love
to have you back, all.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Right, Noville.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Yeah, and the next one's called Aaron's Laugh, So if
you check out aaron'sloftfilm dot com you can see the
sizzle of it and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
And yeah, I can come on anytime and talk about
that one. We're early in the process, but it's it's
it's something else. Man.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Definitely seat safe for you. Appreciate it. Thanks brother, Thanks man, Maddie.
Thanks to Adam Schulmer for stopping by the Buzzcast to
talk about Sellig Superman, which you can stream all four
parts of this documentary on Amazon Prime. Please give it
a watch. I would love to know your thoughts, but
that's going to do it for me for right now.
On our first show of twenty twenty five, I'm the
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