175 - Unlock the Mind : The Power of Microdosing with Nate Baumgardner - The Captain's Lifestyle Podcast

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My friend gives me this, thisLSD, and I had been doing some
research around you know what, whatdoes a sacred intentional ceremony that you create
yourself looks like look like? Andso I take about one hundred and fifty
two hundred micrograms, which is aheroic dose. It's a dose that's going

(00:20):
to take you deep, and putmy face mask on, laid in my
bed and had this experience of dyingand being reborn, and dying and being
reborn. That was It was adeeper ego death than I've ever had in

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my life. Welcome the Tiny Tabletalks with Day Day and now we talk

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like this. Who is sitting ata tiny table with my brother Nathaniel.
And this is going to be theduration of this podcast. We're gonna speak
in these voices. No, I'mjust playing. That would be that would
be annoying. So before we diveinto this episode, Nate, you are
a repeat guest on The Captain's Livestoppodcast, right you were. Episode one

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fifty title a Tale of Finding Purposethrough Psychedelics. So if you haven't already
listened to that episode to get abackground on Nate, I encourage you to
do so. Because we're gonna skipthe background and go into micro dosing today
and the the holistic benefits of usingplant medicine to your advantage, because Nate

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guides entrepreneurs and getting unstuck and tappinginto their full creative potential through plant medicine
and breathwork, which when we weretalking about today, and before we do
that, I'm gonna take a shotof keytone i Q and I just want
to pause you, Taylor, becauseyou didn't you didn't introduce your balls,
ah and my balls. All right, those of you who have seen the

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previous episodes, we'll we'll get thatright inside. Those of you who are
new, like, what the fuck'shappening? Oh yeah, we were recording
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Good stuff, all right, Nate, I want to start with you giving
u the LSD story of how yougot into this. I know we talked
about that in the first episode,but just to give context for people,
let's let's bring it back to that. It's a great entryway because it is
it is my hero's journey back intwenty twenty where we collectively experienced this initiation.

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I was living in Denver working forthe Department of Homeland Security FEMA,
which I you're you're giggling because lookingat me now, it's such a major
shift and I was. I haddrank the kool aid I was bought into,
like this is going to be mylife. I'm going to pursue a

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career working for this agency. There'sso much security, the pension, the
ego around and I would like tosit and air quotes. Yeah. Yeah,
absolutely so security in the sense thatI am giving my energy to this
system for proceed eaved security. Andthe trade off was a deep one,

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one in which I was giving awaya lot of my power. And so
as the pandemic hit, FEMA endedup being put in the role of the
lead agency in the federal government responsiblefor doing all of the acquiring PPE from
overseas and the you know, handlingthe vaccinations and everything. So with that,

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I my workload just became so incrediblyhuge, and I was managing a
team of one other person and wasjust in this space of anxiety and fear
of like, not only what isgoing to happen for myself in this like
unmanageable workload, but what's going tohappen more broadly in the world. And

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so summer of twenty twenty, goodfriend of mine gives me some LSD and
I had experienced psychedelics earlier, backin twenty fifteen when I was living in
Europe, had done a deep,large dose of mushrooms and had had a
really profound experience, but since startingto work for the federal government, had
not because it's prohibited and you befired on the spot if they find out,

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and all of these stories that theytell you. And so I,
my friend gives me this, thisLSD, and I had been doing some
research around you know, what doesa sacred intentional ceremony that you create yourself

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looks like look like? And soI I find this album called Music from
Mushrooms by East Forest, and Iwas like the Mushrooms LSD, they're both
psychedelics along this similar vein. SoI create my intention, which was to
see the blind spots in my lifethat I wasn't present too. And then,

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you know, take about one hundredand fifty two hundred micrograms, which
is a heroic dose. It's adose that's going to take you deep,
and put my face mask on,laid in my bed and had this experience
of dying and being reborn, anddying and being reborn. That was it

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was a deeper ego death than I'veever had in my life in that I
come out of this experience with somedeaths being more challenging, some deaths being
easier to move through. And Ipull myself out of bed and I go

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and stand in front of the mirror, and I see myself on this trajectory
that I am on, as thiseighty year old man looking back at me
in the mirror, living the lifethat my current path is on, and
it's one of joylessness, it's oneof resentment towards myself. It's one of

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self loathing. And I see thatin this version of me's eyes, and
at that point I didn't know whatto do with it. I was just
in this deep state of fear andlike the all my face and reality is
melting and shifting and doing these differentthings, which is a part of the
hallucinatory effect of LSD and more broadlyseratnergic psychedelics. And so I go for

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a walk down in the park rightnear my house and am slowly starting to
come down and to moderate my systemand come into the awareness that, you
know, my life path is notwhat I wanted to be, and that
I want to serve people. Iwant to serve people directly, and I

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want to support them in their healingand in this awareness, I didn't know
what I wanted to do. Soyou know, come, I have the
experience. I journal on and Iunpack it. I do all the things
that you're supposed to do to integratebased on what I understood integration was at
that time, and I was listeningto Paul Checks podcast and hear him talk

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about the Czech Academy, and Iwas like, I could be a coach.
I could be a great coach,and so I do the first year
the Czech Academy. I'd also beenlistening to Mark England and I was like,
I love words, I love language, be a really great language coach,
and so I begin to find thesedifferent modalities that by you know,

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the end of twenty twenty one wasin this space of like, wow,
I am building a skill set andI am ready to take that step.
And that was right around they werepushing the vaccination on the prominent Homeland Security
employee and so I submitted my religiousexemption and it was getting all of this

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pushback and just reached this point whereI was like, you know what,
I'm done, and so I gavemy boss my you know month notice that
I was going to be leaving andleft, and since then they spent all
of last year living nomadically out ofmy car with my dog, and that

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that has been more broadly my journeyof coming to learn. And so after
I had that massive dose of LSDor larger dose of LSD, I started
micro dosing and that anchored me intothe shifts in behavior that I wanted to

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take, that supported the identity ofbecoming someone who serves people and who serves
my community in their healing and throughthrough micro dosing and through the process that
I cobbled together through different resources andrefined in my own practice that I now
coach, was able to put somethingtogether that is supportive both of habit change

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but also of doing the deeper healingof trauma and in clearing the trauma,
clearing the energy where trauma is heldin the body, creating the potential for
a brighter vision to be created insomebody's life through the use of psychedelics,
both macrodoicing and macrodocing. So youhelp entrepreneurs get unstuck, do you talk

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about this process that you went throughyour experience of how if they're not enjoying
what they're doing, like how tomove past that, how to get unstuck?
Yeah, yeah, I mean it'sclearing limiting stories that you require this

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quote unquote safety or you require thisexternal thing for you to feel comfortable,
versus listening to your internal wisdom,listening to your intuition, which is a
practice. It's a practice as welearn to figure out what it feels like
to learn to our intuition, we'reable to see more clearly what is in

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alignment and what is out of alignment, just in the moments like the gut
feeling or the heart feeling or youknow, feeling your your intuitive center,
like all of our chakras tap usinto a deeper, a different aspect of
our intuitive you know, understanding ofwhere we're going and why and how we
can bring ourselves back into a truersense of self. Yeah. I hear

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that a lot from guys as well. They're they're working a job that they
don't love, but they're they havethis self limiting belief that they can't quit
right, like they have to keepdoing this for some period of time,
which in some case some cases couldabsolutely be true depending on circumstance. But

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like what I always say, andworking with Pat this is one of the
things that we talked about on ourfirst coaching calls. He was optimizing his
nutrition, his workouts, you knoweverything else. But I was like,
hey, if you're not happy withyour nine to five, like, if
you're not stoked about it, youknow what, you can only get so
far, right, So what aresome of the common excuses that you hear

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from these guys who who are workingthe job that they don't like and are
reluctant to move past that. Tobe honest, at this point, my
clients don't really bring me excuses.Oh, they're ready. They know what

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I'm going to bring to them becauseit is a lot of compassion. Like
I understand that people may not beready to just blow up their entire life
and ship if they've got a wifeand kids and a mortgage payment. So
understanding what you do have ownership overmore broadly, but also in a given
day or in a given hour ormoment, that's really what's most powerful,

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because you know, I can tellsomeone you know, quit your job and
start doing something you love, butwithout clearing the deeper area like energy,
literal energy in their body that's holdingthem where they are holding them stuck.
Then they can start taking that action, but it doesn't necessarily begin to align

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with their identity and it doesn't stick. So when we combine this process through
breathwork, through doing somatic healing workand ancestral healing work, and doing vision
casting and getting clear on what aperson's ten year vision is, it creates
this holistic picture of moving away fromwhat you don't want towards what you do

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want, which it's hard to havean excuse wall you're in that shift because
you know it all comes back tobringing yourself back to presence, and in
presence, there is no excuse.Yeah. One of my favorite ways to
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right, back to the show.So I imagine you just covered some of

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the things that of how you dothis, and I do something very similar
in my work with the Captain's lifestyle, Like they know that they're not happy
with where they're at, but they'restill unsure of where it is that they
want to go, So that visioncasting is profound. My process is defining
your MVVP, your mission, vision, values and purpose, and that acts

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as like your treasure map, likethis is where you're going, this is
this is your north star. Sowhat are some of the techniques that you
used to help guide them through uncertainty? Because right if they know that they're
not happy where they are, butthey don't have that vision for where they
want to go, that's a veryuncertain and scary leap to make. So

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walk us through that process. Sure, So it starts with getting people understanding
of the roots of their trauma.So we all have different I like to
base it on the five personality patternsof Stephen Kessler, who talks about the
different stages between zero and seven thatwe experienced a need and then reached out

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for help and then didn't have thatneed supported and developed a coping pattern around
that. And so that is likethe actual scientific manifestation of ancestral trauma.
So giving people awareness around what theirancestral trauma is and how it's showing up
in their life, their work,their relationships. That's the start helping people

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understand themselves and where they're not showingup for their highest and greatest and Stephen
Kesler says, we're either in patternor were in presence and so noticing and
this comes with a somatic clearing coachingpractice that I guide people through on many
of our coaching sessions. When peoplecome in a feeling of stuckness or in

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a feeling of anxiety or depression orwhatever they may be moving through in their
week, we go into that becausethat is the easiest entryway into what is
beneath that the core wounds of theirpsyche that is still is being triggered into

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the moment that is keeping them fromseeing what that you know, larger vision,
larger path for their life is.So that's the start, like we
start clearing all of that so thatthey can start to feel what it feels
like to let go of some ofthe ship that they've been holding onto for
such a long time. And thenI like to take them through doctor d

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Martini's Values quiz, where you lookat how you're spending your time, how
you're spending your money, your energy, and your time, and that can
be such an eye opener to see, like where what the gap is between
what you want to be doing andwhat you are doing currently? And then
I'll workshop with them, well,what are your guiding principles in life?

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What are the right and left boundsin like these? If I start going
off in this direction, like oneof mine is like I I operate in
integrity with love and truth. Andso if I find that, oh,
I'm not being truthful with this personfor specific reason, that that is an

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entry way into self inquiry like whyam why am I you know, lying
to this person about this? Whatis both that coming from? What is
the what is the wound that that'sresulting from, and what is the impact
of that? And that helps merealign into the my path, my dharma.

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And so in helping people develop theirguiding principles, we then give them
a process of developing their ten yearvision and affirmations like the because the so
that like I have a twenty eightor farmstead, you know, generating you

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know, thousand dollars a year,so that my family is secure and has
clean air and natural food to eatand sustain them, and in in creating
the ten year vision, which isa refinement process. It's not just one

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and done. They make it andstop looking at it, but we revisit
it, and we revisit it andwork backwards to all right, well what
are actions you know you've you've mappedyour ten year vision back to your five
year goals, to your one yeargoals, to your six month goals,
and your three month goals, andthen like, all right, this month,

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based on your three month goals,what are five things that can get
you to that thing? What arekey performance indicators, trackable measurable things that
you can be doing to get youtowards those three month goals? And so
I mean I I just show upto the call and we'll check in with
people like how how is that going? How are you doing with those And

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with the understanding that I can wecan't hold people accountable as coaches. People
can hold themselves accountable, and wecan show up to see whether or not
they are holding themselves accountable, andif they aren't, there's an opportunity for
us to be more in integrity ascoaches in how we're showing up and how

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we're being in integrity in coaching people. So my clients success I take as
a direct reflection of my own capacityto hold space and be in presence with
my clients. Yeah, that wasThat was going to be one of my
questions is how do you hold clientsaccountable because once they've defined this this vision,

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but their their actions aren't aligning withwhat they say they want. What
are some of the things like onthe call that that help either you know,
switch their mindset or how them realizelike, hey, your actions are
leading you down this path. Ifyou say you want this, you're gonna
have to course correct. So youwant to be working working out three times

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a week, you want to begoing to the gym three times a week?
Well what happened this week that resultedin that? Like, Oh,
I had to do X, Yand Z with my kids, and I
got into a fight with my wifeand da da dad, and I've just
been feeling low energy, Like,well, what was the fight with your
wife about? Oh, it wasabout the fact that you know, we're
drifting apart, we're feeling less connectedand Dada done. I was like,
why, what? What is whatis coming up? When you tell me

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that where do you feel it inyour body? What is the actual aspect
of your your holding pattern that you'rein in your body that is resulting in
you not being able to hold spacewith your wife, or communicate directly,
or do these things that facilitate youknow, healthy dynamics in in a loving

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partnership. And so rather than likeI need you to do this more and
do better next time, it comesfrom a place of giving people grace to
make mistakes, but also holding themaccountable to the deeper place where the absence

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breakthrough from Bioptimizers. I want tobring it back to the ancestral trauma.
So a lot of people who arestuck that can be their own stories,
but it can also come from theirancestors correct, So how does one come

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to that realization that that how they'recurrently struggling is due to a past pattern
from their relatives. So it's alwaysboth like it's always your own pattern,
Like you have the responsibility and theownership over your pattern. And if it's

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an aspect, and there are goodin aspects, good and bad aspects that
we inherit from our parents, throughour grandparents, through our great grandparents,
through our great great grandparents and allof the different intermingling family dynamics that you
know, it's not a matter ofunpacking if it's this or this, it's
more of like, how is thisleading you to feel a particular way?

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And you know it can be passeddown from generation to generation as like a
civilization. These wounds that we takeon as projections of living in this society,
which the majority of ancestral wounds,if not all, ancestral wounds are
so giving people a clear understanding ofoh, this is my pattern and this

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is something that I took on asa coping pattern, or this is something
that I saw and then mirrored thatis now something that I have the opportunity
to unlearn so that I can learnsomething new How does plant medicine fend that
plant medicine expands our aperture of awareness. So in expanding our aperture of awareness,

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it gives us the ability to bemore present with what is, with
what's in our mind, with what'sin our body, and in connection with
our spirit. So large doses,as I mentioned my my heroic dose of
LSD that catapulted me onto this beautifullife journey that I'm on right now,

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it created an ego death. Sopsychedelics, particularly serotonergic psychedelics, which are
psychedelics that operate along the five HTtwo A pathway, the serotonin pathway,
which serotonin is responsible for our perceptionand our ability to think, and it's
a cognitive neurotransmitter, yes, andmood exactly yeah, and also sleep,

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I'm Serotonin is just such a hugeneurotransmitter. They it's responsible for so much
that they're still very much unpacking whatpsychedelics actually do within serotonin production. But
if you look at the molecules ofpsiloscidean, of LSD, of DMT,
those three in particular, they fitlike Locke in key to the serotonin pathway.

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So in operating along the serotonin pathwaythey produce. They allow you to
stimulate glutamate which is responsible for supportingyour cognition and your learning and your memory,
as well as BDNF brain derived neurotrophicfactor, which you know, we
just did some ice bas we didsome sauna that this BDNF supports our ability

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to strengthen neural networks that may beweakening, as well as to build new
neural networks. Now, to getback to the ego death, we have
what is called the default mode network, and it's interlinkages between our medial,
our prefrontal, and our frontal cortexthat is responsible for how we perceive the

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past and how we perceive the future. And psychologists believe that this is largely
what makes up our ego. Andso when we connect with plant medicines,
when we connect with psychedelics, weare dampening the default mode network. And
so in dampening the default mode network, we're able to quiet the thoughts of

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rumination, of getting into these thoughtloops that you may lead to depression or
anxiety, or put us in aspace of contractive energy and we can be
present with what is. And soin that expanded space of awareness, we're
able to be more in the moment, and there are all kinds of like

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depending on the dosages, you canfeel more present or feel more creative.
And it's all a matter of yourown biology, body weight, you know
how your body processes these medicines.But at large doses, when we engage
with plant medicines in a sacred way, in a way that you know,

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allows us to connect with them ina space of safety, we are practicing
die. We're practicing our own death, so that we are living a life
of integrity, so that we're livinga life that is in alignment with our
soul, with with spirit and allof that to say that you know that

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these these are powerful medicines that allowus to connect more deeply with the universal
nature of you know, how thenatural world around us operates. So what's
the difference? But like what wouldbe the pros and cons versus large dose

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and micro dose? Like what doyou what do you teach in in your
in your course? Is it onlymacrodoses or do work with micro dosies?
So I have a microdosing mastery programthat is focused around microdosing because I see
microdosing as a more accessible way totap people into the possibility of macrodosing,

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of having heroic journey, because Ibelieve that is how we change the world
through psychedelics by giving people the abilityto be in connection with their own death.
We have such a taboo around deathand dying and you know, all
of the industry around that and shameand fear and disconnection from the actual death

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and dying process, that when wegive ourselves the gift of dying before we
die, we were able to seeour life in a more clear way of
what it is that is going tomaximize our impact while we're here. Yeah,
So to answer your question, Ido guide clients. I do facilitate

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ceremonies for clients in like five six, seven gram journeys, and my program
itself focuses around micro dosing because Ilike to give people an incremental step towards
feeling comfortable going into that space,because not everybody is feeling called to just

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jump into a big ego dissolution spacebecause it can be really scary, and
it should be scary, because like, these are medicines that are sacred and
are meant to be honored because they'repowerful. And I have had friends who
have used psychedelics and unintentional, andI'm neglectful of their own consciousness ways and

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have had psychotic breaks. They've goneon six months, you know, complete
disconnection from reality and having paranoid youknow, illusions, and it was really
scary to experience and support them throughthat and all of that to say that
we these are, like I said, they're very powerful and they are meant

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to be honored and received with intention. You mentioned the power of dying before
you die, which last year atthe immersion, Leo Savage was here.
He led us through a die beforeyou Die meditation that was very powerful for
me. I'll speak from my ownexperience. I saw myself die and I

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saw the higher version of myself talkingto me, and I said to myself,
Hey, if you want all thesethings that you say that you want,
you're on the right path. Youjust have to keep going. And
that was a profound experience for me. So why why are people afraid of

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dying? Does it go back tothe uncertainty? Yeah, it's the the
existential question of what happens after wedie and if people aren't living in connection
with nature and the flow of naturein which you know, death and life

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and rebirth are constant process. We'vewe've been separated from our true nature,
which is living in connection with naturallaw, and in that there is inculcated
this fear because that fear is afear of disempowerment. It takes us away

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from understanding that we are in controlof our life. And I see this
fear of death as a byproduct ofthat of giving away ownership of being in
connection. Yeah, so I meanthat that is one of many aspects that
I think create the fear of death, but also are the disconnection from our
own spirituality, from the understanding thatwe are both a physical body, we

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are a mental body, and we'realso a soul that exists beyond space and
time that you know, is apart of the whole everything, God,
Source, consciousness, divinity, whateveryou want to call it. That we
are just a node of consciousness thatexists at these three realms in connection with

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all with infinity. I imagine someof the fear around death relates to regret,
because as you saw yourself when youwere eighty continuing down that path that
you were on, you would haveregretted not switching paths, right, So

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I think a lot of it revolvesaround people who are not in a alignment
with like you said, there theirtrue nature. So if they were to
die, they wouldn't have fulfilled theirpurpose on this earth, right, I
agree? Yeah? Okay, Sowe are going to be consuming a micro

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dose of psilocybin today, Yes,okay, why are we doing that?
What is coming after the fact,and what are what what can people expect
or I don't want to put expectationsof like it has to be this way,
but what are some some things thatpeople can expect for lack of a

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better word. Yeah, So,so psilocybin is the grandfather medicine. Think
about like what the ideal grandfather islike, you know, he's he's loving,
Like he doesn't have the same energyas your father, who can be
overbearing or have that whatever that masculineenergy may present in your life. But

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the grandfather is is direct, hecan be stirred at times, but he's
also very unconditionally loving. And thatthat is what I see in psilocybin,
in in its overall energy, inhow the Earth gives us this wisdom,
this plant teacher, and the lessonthat it provides practically, I at low

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doses were we're taking about between pointone zero point one and zero point one
five grams, which is the minimumeffective dose, which is what I advise
my clients to start with. Youknow, don't try to, you know,
push the bound of having a hallucinatoryeffect, like start low, start

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it like I can barely even feelit, which is what this dose is.
And starting low, you're able tosee how the medicine affects you,
how you're able to engage with it, and so what people might feel and
will be. Going into an amazingworkshop led by Chase and Dave is heart
opening. It connects you to youremotions. It gives you more presence for

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what you're feeling, what you're thinking, and how the flow between your thoughts
and emotions may be ebbing and flowing. And in that awareness it allows us
to It allows me, in particular, to clear what I'm going through,
to be more present and release whatevergrief for sadness or fear or resentment I

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may be attached to. And itcan help us with different areas of learning,
of habit change, of modulating ourbehavior a little bit more easily because
of the increased BDNF and glutamate andthese different areas of our brain that are

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subtle, at least shifting in away that it's just enough to create that
extra little bit of push of motivation. Decreased procrastination is a big thing that
I've noticed in my microdocing practice,and just feeling feeling more myself, feeling
more in myself when I find myselfcaught in my head which I certainly did

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back in twenty twenty as I waspreparing myself to leave my job and what
that meant for my life. Sothose are just some of the things,
and understanding that it's different for eachperson based on your neurology, your biology,
and the set and setting, whichis something that we haven't gotten into,
but that's crucial, so let's let'slet's talk about that. So just

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to recap what people may experience,a heightened sense of presence and openness,
increase in serotonin, so elevated mood, more connection to both themselves and what
I've found is to nature and toeach other, especially in this set and

(39:08):
setting. Before we get into theimportance of sett and setting, are there
any downsides to consuming a micro doselike it? Is there anything that we
should be concerned with? So ifyou are an empathic person, you may
because you're you know, the veilis thin, because you're in an expanded

(39:30):
state of awareness, you can takeon other people's energy, which is why
set and setting are so important,because your mindset. You know, we
spent this morning in the ice bathand then the sauna and working out,
getting our minds prepared to come intothis space, and so making sure that
you are in a good mindset toconnect with the medicine. And then also

(39:52):
the setting your external environment, makingsure you're around people who you trust and
who you feel good around, andwho are you're you're in you're surrounded by
trees and grass and places that youcan ground and connect with nature, because
it does facilitate our ability to feelone with everything. But if we're just
in a crowded city, it canbe a disconnecting experience because we're taking on

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that the vibration that our external environmentis projecting onto us. So being very
conscious of your external environment and yourinternal environment are are huge because at larger
doses, we then start to feelone with everything. We start to feel

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one with the trees and with thegrass and with the wind, and we
start to listen to the sound ofwater flowing by us. And hearing it
say things like I love you,you are beautiful. All of these things
that remind us that we, likeI said, are a node of consciousness
in the ocean of potential of divineAnd that's that's what I love about plant

(41:01):
medicines. And I it's been it'sbeen five months, four months since I'm
microdose last actually had a microdose.And the thing about microdosing is that it
does not create dependency. It isnon addictive, and it's important that we

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do it intentionally with the understanding thatwe aim to use the medicine to connect
with an aspect of ourselves we wouldlike to connect to absent the medicine,
and so it is learning the practiceof how to connect to that aspect of
ourselves, building that muscle so thatwe're able to do it intrinsically, so

(41:43):
that we're able to do it asan innate aspect of our practice without needing
to microdose. So we microdose tonot microdose. Eventually, what's the optimal
frequency or microdosing? So there aredifferent protocols. The one that I like

(42:04):
is the fatamin protocol. So that'sone day on, three days off,
one day on four days off,or one day on two days off,
one day on three days off,so twice a week spaced out, and
then planning your week around your microdosing, or having specific days in which you
micro dose. I like to dolike a lower end micro dose on a

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day that I'm doing some analytical workand planning out my day so I don't
have to think about because it takesus out of our our ability to do
the analytical planning and puts us intoa more of a creative space so that
we can think about things in amore nonlinear way that we may not be
able to think think about in ourregular, every day mind without the without

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the medicine. So one day thelower dose, and then one day on
a higher dose where we can goout and spend time in the woods where
we can camp on the weekend,or go for a bike ride, or
connect with a partner or whatever thatmay be. So playing with the lower
bound and starting low and then slowlyworking your way up. I like to
say point one is or even lessthan point one is a great starting point,

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so point zero five, and thenworking your way up to like point
four grams or point five where youstart to then have like some visual distortions,
but it's also a really expansive placeto connect to people who you care
about or to connect to nature.So that is one protocol that I've got

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the most experience with the next primaryprotocol that is recommended is the Stamts stack,
and the Stamt stack is five daysa week doing again like point one
to point four grams five days on, two days off, and combining mushrooms
with lions main and niacin, andso the you know, lions maine has

(44:00):
the neuro generative neuroprotective effects which we'redrinking right now in utopia. It's a
fifty to one concentration of linesman whichalso helps increase BDNF fantastic combination with psilocybin.
It is. And then the nyacinis a vasodilator, so it allows
the psilocybin and the lines maine togo deeper into your brain and to spread

(44:23):
throughout your body and to have likeit's a potentiator. So I've got some
vasodilating stupplements here, so we cancool get that into so we'll get the
lines maine the vasodilatory effect and alsocombine it with the psilocybin and I invite
people to play around and to betheir own scientists, because what may work

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for one person may not work forothers. So those two are a good
starting point based on how you wantto engage with the medicine and starting low,
working your way slowly up to theupper ba sound of you know,
you starting to get visual distortions,and then playing around with it, seeing
what works based on your week andwhat you want to be doing, and

(45:07):
how what your intention is with themedicine, because that's something that for me
is crucial, is having your intentionset before you engage with the medicine.
And you know the doctor Joe,where your attention goes, your energy flows,
and so as you set your intention, you're priming your consciousness on what

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you want to focus on with theexpanded awareness that the medicine will bring you
to. Before we wrap up here, I know you've covered a lot of
it, but what are some ofthe most important things to look for in
set and setting? Obviously community here, all all these amazing men here,
what else being in nature checking inwith your intuition? Does it? Do

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I feel comfortable? Do I feelsafe sitting with the medicine? Even just
do I feel safe, Do Ifeel comfortable? Do I feel in a
good mood? Perhaps I woke upand it's my micro dosing day, but
I'm feeling low energy. I'm feelinglike like I don't want to do it,
And that may not be the bestplace to go into with the medicine

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because it's a non specific amplifier.It will amplify whatever mood you may be
in. And so just checking inwith yourself, how am I feeling today?
What are my thoughts, what aremy emotions, what am my most
present to? Just in my generalexperience of life, and so in checking
in, you can ask yourself,you know, do I feel good with

(46:37):
sitting with the medicine today? DoI feel good with connecting with psilocybin?
And you can get a yes orno answer typically if you ask yourself a
direct question. Yeah, I wantto dive a little bit deeper on that
because I've found for myself personally andalso clients I work with a lot of
times guys especially can have difficulty understandingthere into and usually because we're more analytical,

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So what are some ways that wecan tap into our intuition and understand
if it's a yes or no.This is a practice from Shaman Dirrik's book
Spirit Hacking, and he is Ablie, fifth generation Haitian shaman and the practice

(47:22):
is priming intuition. And so youask yourself the question. You take a
breath, close your eyes ground andcheck in and say, body, show
me what a yes feels like.And I get this pulse coming up from
my left hip up to my throatand then back down. It's like a

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bouncing ball. So I just namedthat that's my yes, and take another
deep breath. Body show me whata no feels like? And I get
this emptiness right around my root body. Is it in my highest and greatest

(48:06):
purpose to connect with psilocybin in thismicrodose today? And I got that bounce
from my left hip up to mythroat back down to my right hit.
So based on my intuition, I'mgoing to microdose today. Awesome, Nate.
Where can people find out more aboutyour microdocing? Of course if they're

(48:30):
my website innate flow, I nn at flow dot co and my instagram
innate dot flow. My microdocing programwill be launching the early July time frame.
So my program goes through these differentaspects that we discussed building sacred relationship

(48:53):
with the medicine, learning how tocreate an optimal environment for healing the core
wounds your trauma, for having increasedlevels of self awareness and ownership over your
life so that you can be infull alignment with your soul and live your
dream. You also have a breathwork album. Break We didn't talk about

(49:14):
breathwork, but you facilitated breathwork thismorning before the ice and you're amazing music
the drumming during Pat's meditation. Wherecan people find that? So my album,
my debut breath work album, whichI am incredibly proud of. It's
fantastic. By the way, I'vebought it, I've listened to it many
times. I've had different people reachout to me like I've done this for

(49:35):
like ten days in a row.I just feel so honored that that people
have like first bought it and thenactually done it consistently. Yeah. I
created a challenge for the crew whereit was do breathwork every single day and
it was it was awesome for aweek. Incredible. So that can be
found on my band camp page,which is linked in my Instagram, So

(49:58):
just go to my link tree inmy Instagram bio and it's right there at
the top. You can buy it. It's eleven dollars and eleven cents and
I this will be This is thefirst of many breath work albums that I've
been producing. I've been leaning intomy music production this year. It's something
that I'm really honing and that intandem with breathwork is it really feels like

(50:21):
a potent aspect of my mission andmy work in combination with psychedelics because breath
though we didn't get into it deeply, is is another potent aspect of connecting
with our true self, yes,and with source. So yeah, I'm
very grateful for you mentioning that,for you creating this container in which we
can all connect with the medicine,with the breath, with the cold,

(50:45):
and you know, with ourselves asyou know in our true mask on essence.
Thank you, brother, Thank you. And the breath work can also
help potentiate the certainly yeah, awesome. Well we're ready because these have been
charging in the Leela quantum block andgetting some getting some good positive quantum energy

(51:07):
in there. Nate, uh,anything else, we should know, anything
you want to leave us with beforewe get into the ceremony and breathwork session.
Yeah. I. Giving yourself graceand giving others grace is a big

(51:29):
part of understanding our own capacity becausewe can we can get caught up in
our own conceptions of ourself, ofour ego, and what we think we're
supposed to be doing, and thinkingthat you know, others are right or

(51:49):
wrong, and that is a projectionof our own experience. So when we
reel everything back in to the momentinto presence, we're able to take ownership
of the here and now, whichis really all we have. So indeed,
it is all right, Nate,thank you for coming on. Ready

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