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December 14, 2023 β€’ 71 mins
Matt Gallant and Wade Lightheart are the co-founders of BiOptimizers, a high performance health company known for its comprehensive and science-based approach to wellness.

After 3 years of writing, they finally released their 540+ page book, "The Ultimate Nutrition Bible," that covers nearly every diet, including keto, carnivore, vegetarian/vegan, intermittent fasting, and more. It's an incredibly in-depth resource and is designed to help you choose the right diet FOR YOU based on your genetics and lifestyle so you can finally achieve your health, aesthetic, and performance goals.

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Matt serves as the CEO, bringing over 15 years of experience in formulating supplements and building profitable companies.

Wade, the President, is a 3-time Canadian Natural Bodybuilding Champion and a renowned authority on holistic nutrition and training methods.

Their shared passion for optimizing health and fitness has driven the company's success in serving over 500,000 clients in 90 countries since 2004.

Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
1:42 - Eating based on Blood Type
4:26 - How important are Genetics and Ancestry?
7:01 - Wade's Big Ass Salad Recipe
8:12 - Hydration: how much Salt should you consume?
9:40 - Lectins: Good or Bad?
11:20 - Dairy Digestion (Raw VS. Pasteurized Milk)
15:18 - FIX YOUR DIGESTION!
16:58 - How to Optimize Fasting
27:48 - Secret Muscle Recovery Drink
31:10 - Best Plant Based Protein
34:30 - Healthy Italian Food (Pasta & Pizza)
40:00 - Importance of eating Organic (Glyphosate)
45:21 - Best Genetics Test
51:02 - Supplements VS. Food (Why Supplementation is necessary today)
53:06 - The "Best Diet" (What we can learn from the Japanese)
56:00 - How to NOURISH your SOUL
1:05:49 - What is THRIVING?

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(00:00):
I'm supposed to be eating all kindsof meat, fish, and all this
sort of stuff. I haven't eatenany of that stuff in the last twenty
years, which a lot of peoplemight find surprising because you are a natural
body, don't. What do yourecommend for people who struggle with fast People
have been using fasting and virtually everyculture for thousands of years to heal themselves.
And we did this three hundred setworkout. How many hours didn't it

(00:21):
take us supplements versus food? AndI get all my nutrients from food nowadays?
Or should I supplement? What's up? Health Pirates and welcome back to

(00:55):
another episode of The Captain's Lifestyle podcast, where we inspire you to optimize your
health, find fulfillment, and maximizefreedom. I'm sitting here with the co
founders of my favorite supplement brand byOptimizers, and the authors of the Ultimate
Nutrition Bible, and we're going tobe answering your top ten questions. I

(01:17):
asked my community what nutrition related questionsthey have, and we're here to ask
the experts. Matt and Wade.Welcome to the show. Thanks for having
us. Yeah, so let's diveinto it with the first question. First
of all, I love getting actualquestions because Wade to Night sometimes get lost
in our expertise, where this isgood to connect with the roots. So

(01:40):
yeah, cool. So first questionfrom Lauren Prince. Are there any benefits
to eating certain types of food basedon blood type? Myth? Myth myth?
Yeah. I think this is exactlywhy we wrote this book, and
that so many people have heard ofa diet. They try to diet,

(02:06):
their friend try to diet, theircousin Louis got on a diet and some
magical thing happened. They had aconversation over dinner and it was like,
it's all about that whatever, it'sall about this. And then they go
on social media and they go inand one person's talking the blood type diet,
the other person is talking to Ketodiet. Someone's talking about fitz youer

(02:27):
macros, and then they're attacking inthis diet war strategy. And so the
individual is sitting there going, Ijust want to know the one thing that's
going to solve all my problems,and that low resolution approach, no disrespect
to the person, because this iswhat you're going to generate as a question
out of that that MILEU of confusionyou're starting with the wrong lens. And

(02:58):
the better question is is what's theright diet for me right now, based
on my goals, based on mygenetics, and based on something I can
sustain for the rest of my life. Short term diet strategies for like twelve
weeks and stuff, you can sustainthat for a while, but you can't
sustain that for an extended period oftime. Yeah, so you may take

(03:21):
a period where you're hitting a goalto get to a certain point, but
then how do you sustain that?And then maybe how do you go into
other areas and other goals. Andwe identify all that in the book to
help people get out of that confusion, because I really feel for that person.
You know. Is it the bloodtype type? So for example,
if you were to use that asan example, I'm supposed to be eating

(03:42):
all kinds of meat and fish andall this sort of stuff. I haven't
eaten any of that stuff in thelast twenty years according to the blood type,
which a lot of people might findsurprising because you are a natural bodybuilder's
right. A lot of people think, how can you build muscle if you
don't eat meat? Correct, whichis one of the questions we'll get into.

(04:03):
But yeah, actually, let's let'sget into that now. That's one
of my favorite parts of the bookis that your plant based you were keto
and carnivore, and you demystify thatit's either this way or that way.
You eliminate the dogma behind it.So and I'm speaking of genetics. That's

(04:26):
actually the next question from Chris Graves. He says, what role do genetics
and ancestral history play into one's recommendeddiet? It's huge. So we have
two chapters in the book, oneon nutu genomics and you haven't one on
epigenetics, and they're related, butthey're different. In nutu genomics or what
are the genetics that you've been bornwith that you should be mindful of to

(04:49):
navigate through potential problems or even revealsuperpowers. So for an example, like
I've done a few genetic tests youjust saw, I'm doing another one because
everyone's kind of revealing the diferent things. So I've got bad genetics for selenium,
bad genetics for zinc, bad geneticsfor saturated fats, which is a
new one, especially since i beeninion keto now for thirty years. So

(05:11):
now I'm adjusting my saturated fat intake. I'm increasing my monosaturated fat intake.
So these are some of the adjustmentsthey can make. And way, maybe
talk about some of your genetic variancesand how you've mitigated them. Yeah,
I have suboptimal genetics for cardio vascularhealth, as do I, which means
left by my own design, Iwill die of a heart attack or a

(05:34):
stroke quite common. I also havesuboptimal genetics for food satiety. In other
words, I'll overeat because my signalin my stomach doesn't tell my brain I've
had enough food. And anyone thatsee me on a spike day will attest
that Wade can put calories per hour, as will weigh with the best of

(05:55):
them. So given that information,I can go okay. I need to
develop a high satiety diet, andfor me, plant bases has really good
profiles for heart disease and cardiovascular andso I have a plant based type.
Now, of course, with that, satiety can sometimes go down if I
was eating a junk food plant basedtype, which a lot of vegetarians do.

(06:19):
And I think that's why a lotof vegans and vegetarians actually struggle with
their health they don't get enough proteinand they overeat simple refined carbohydrates. Oreos
are vegan, and yeah, exactly, and I would be that guy.
However, I came from the bodybuildingworld, and I understood that satiety and
protein is king. So I supplementmy diet with protein, plant based proteins,

(06:42):
and I have a giant salad everyafternoon to keep my satiety up so
that I stay full, and Idon't overeat over the course of the day
or over the more importantly, thecourse of the week. You know,
one day you can kind of goone way or the other, but it's
what do you do over the courseof the week, and then the weeks
turn into months, the months turnsinto years. What's in your afternoon salad?
Great question. So I have twoand I do the handful strategy of

(07:11):
very precise measurement. Yeah, veryprecise, the handful. So I take
two handfuls of mixed greens. Itake a handful of cherry tomatoes, a
handful of chopped cucumbers, a handfulof chopped celery, a handful of chopped
peppers, one and a half handfulsof chickpeas, a little bit of olive

(07:38):
oil, and a little bit ofbalsamic vinegar and a whole lot of Himalayan
salt, because there's another genetic thing. My body metabolizes salt, and I
require a lot of salt in mydiet in order to enhance. And you
would say cardiovascular health, keep thesalt down. No salt actually helps my
cardiovascular health or someone else. Itmay be disruptive for it. If you

(08:00):
don't know this stuff, then youget you make conclusions just because your cousin
Lily worked out, but it's notnecessarily for you. Yeah. So another
one of the questions that's not onhere that I get askedlot is how much
salt should I consume? And that'swhat you said based on your genetics,
right, like how much minerals areelectrolytes you sweat out. Look at the

(08:20):
Japanese, the ten grams a day, that's the average. They have one
of the lowest heart attack rates onthe planet. Yeah. Yeah, I
think when it comes to salts,you know, obviously picking the better salt
is a good move. The onlyissue that I see with overconsumption of salt
is people don't consume a potassium Somost people's potassium to sodium ratios is way

(08:46):
off optimal and magnesium correct magnesium aswell, for sure, but potassium you
can easily fix feeding potatoes, bananas, you know, plantain, or if
you're supplementing with a good potassium source. But most people are definitelyfficient potassium,
which is really the molecule of hydration, especially on keto. Right, like
keto, there's a tendency to gothat way a little easier, would you

(09:07):
think. Yeah, and that madea huge difference in my hydration levels,
like excell your muscular hydration, becauseyou know, when you're just consuming a
lot of salt and then a potassium, you're just gonna the water kind of
just goes right through you. Youdon't hold it. Awesome, Yeah,
that'll help a lot of people,because I've got one client in particular who
says he's drinking a bunch of waterand spring water too, but and he

(09:31):
says he's not feeling hydrated, soit's due to a lack of potassium and
or magnetic potentially cool. You mentionedcherry tomatoes, which will lead into this
question. Also from Lauren Prince.I have doctor Stephen Gundry's book and have
listened to his podcast all about lectins. He basically advises us to stay away

(09:52):
from most night shade vegetables. Ieat tomatoes unless peeled and de seated.
My question is how much should Iworried about lectins? Great question, And
I've had Stephen on my podcast,and he's obviously a well respected, you
know, carliovascular surgeon and has craftedfollowing of people who get tremendous benefits from

(10:16):
doing what he suggests. But Iwould suggest that he's dealing with people with
suboptimal digestive systems, and that's prettymuch across the board. So again,
the recommendations are coming within a generalsee of people with digestive issues. And
if you have digestive issues, yourcapacity to digest things like lectins and there's

(10:43):
a variety of other things certainly canbe amplified. There are some genetic influence
as well. Some people do betteron lectins than others. And when I
mean I have a massive lectin diet, I mean like I should be like
mister lectin right, And I don'thave digestive problems, but I can remember
years ago when I did have digestiveproblems that everything screwed me up. And

(11:07):
now that I fixed my digestion It'show our company got started. We created
digestive solutions for virtually every genetic anddietary variant that you could possibly deal with.
Is that I deal with an optimaldigestion, and we have a chapter
on it, how to optimize yourdigestion. You know, Matt talks about
like he had digestive issues on somethings that were another standardizing of milk proteins,

(11:31):
Right, I want to talk aboutthat. Yeah, A one protein.
I thought it was evil, right, That was the one of the
things if you consume a one protein, you're gonna have a massive inflammatory response,
which was true for a while.Like I would consume a one protein
and my feet would blow up andfeel in my joints. So I joined
the bandwagon, but I didn't understandthat it was really leaky gut that was

(11:52):
causing the A one proteins to getinto my bloodstream and then trigger inflammatory response.
So with microbiome Breakthrough, which Ithink is one of our almost underrated
products, incredible. It helps createa healthy biofilm and then I just I
don't have issues anymore. So Ican consume a one protein, take it
with mass symes, get the aminoacids in boom, you know, because

(12:13):
the other challenge with milk protein isthey're very big molecules, almost the same
size as gluten. So ksine ofcourse an old body building thing, slow
to digest, which can be beneficialon diets as well. Like from a
satiety perspective, caseine is really thebest protein. So I get a lot
of questions on regular milk and rawmilk. So a lot of people who

(12:35):
can't tolerate regular milk will switch toraw milk and find that they're totally fine
on that. I'm a que weightof We did a rough food diet for
a couple of years. Again,it comes down to enzymes and probiotics.
There's three main devices that your systemuses in order to digest food. That
is enzymes, which is the firststage of digestion, hydrochloric acid which is

(12:58):
the second state age of digestion.And the third stage is your probiotics.
And your good probiotics help break downfood. And so what you put in
your body is not what you arewhat you eat. You are what you
digest, absorb, and utilize.Modern milk has pasteurized all of the enzymes
and all of the probiotics. Nowthe rationalization is is that allows shelf stability

(13:24):
and it prevents any bad bacteria gettinginside the system. What we suggest in
our model is to move towards boostingup your own supply of enzymes and probiotics
so that when invaders come into yourbody, you can wipe that out.
In today's world, they want topasteurize things and then if you have a

(13:45):
problem, then they're going to giveyou antibiotics. And the head of our
research facility, she's a PhD inmicrobiology, she has suggested that we're about
ten years away from the post antibioticage, and what that means is that
no one is going to get anybenefits from an antibiotics. We're taking literally

(14:07):
thousands of times more of dosage percentagewise than we were when we started,
and there's building these resistant strains,so every time you try to kill a
population, some of it mutates andinvolves. And so I think pasteurization was
a great idea, but now wesee the downside of that. So on

(14:28):
the upsides one side and the downside. So your individual that's using the raw
food component is getting the enzymes andthey're getting the probiotics, which makes it
much more digestible. Absorbable and utilizable, assuming it doesn't have any of the
contaminants in it, and so that'swhy they would feel differently than if not.

(14:50):
Of course, we advocate taking enzymesand probiotics before every meal to optimize
your digestion, and it works andit works for everyone confirmable. Something I
want to add to that too iseating fermented foods every day is a power
move. Sauerkrat, kimchi, nato, raw dairy products that is in the

(15:11):
book and some good research showing andyou're gonna get an immune system boost plus
all the other benefits. It's agood, good hack. Sticking on the
digestion topic, this is not oneof the questions, but I want to
make sure that we cover it becausebioptimizers tagline is we fix digestion. My
recommendation for anybody with digestive issues.General recommendation is too fast for at least

(15:33):
twenty four hours, ideally more supplementwith the microbiome breakthrough to like you said,
repair the leakiga and then supplement withwhat I call the digestive swat team,
which is the mass simes, thehydrochloric acid and the p throw around.
Would you guys add anything to thatlist, I would extend the fast
from twenty four to at least fortyeight, if possible, sixty or seventy

(15:54):
two, because we know that almostevery bacteria is about a forty our lifespan,
so if you go a little further, you will kill and dry up
a lot of colonies, which createsthe perfect opportunity to feed it microbiome breakthrough.
So I've been making a lot offive day fastest yere and usually,

(16:15):
even though I was very cautious aboutwhat I ate, i'd get turbulence for
a couple of days after the fast. Since using microbiome breakthrough, I'll do
three scoops five hundred mls of waterand gun the whole thing in one shot,
zero Like instantly, my digestive systemrecalibrates and a concertating food and I
don't have the typical problems I usedto have. Okay, it's amazing good

(16:41):
because yeah, I actually that sameclient who struggled with hydration, I recommended
him to do a twenty four hourfast, but now I'll recommend to extend
it longer and increase the dose ofmicrobiome breakthrough at first dose, like big
dose three four scoops. All right, Another sub question fasting. What do
you recommend for people who struggle withfasting, Like, if they've never done

(17:03):
a seventy two hour fast before andthey're hearing this advice, what strategies can
they use to improve their fasting.Well, I've been using fasting for a
better part of twenty five years,and I've done virtually every fast you can,
up to ten days of water.It's kind of my top out level.

(17:25):
First and foremost, there's a caveatthere's one percentage or there's a percentage
of the population that have suboptimal genesfor fasting. So a lot of people
with Mediterranean genes particularly, they don'thave a history genetically a fasting, and
it activates a lot of the defensemechanisms that you want to avoid. Fortunately,
I have Northern genes. We hadfeast or famine kind of things.

(17:47):
Is one of the reasons probably whyI have the low satiety response is I
could eat a lot and then Ican I can fast at ease, and
I often fast for when I flyinternationally. I don't eat on any plant.
I don't feed on planes. Idon't have any of that stuff.
I'll go to another country. I'llreset my sleep clock. I don't eat

(18:07):
for maybe two days, three days, I'm walking around. I'm functional.
I don't have any issues around fasting. It wasn't always that way. So
start off first, if you cantake a genetic test and find out if
you have optimoons most people, it'snot a problem. Second thing is recognize
that you're not going to die.You are not going to starve to death.
If you do not eat for aday or a week. Far as

(18:32):
that goes, you may feel whatpeople feel as they label as hunger.
I would encourage them to label itas a sensation and to sit with the
sensation without calling it anything and realizeit. You think it starts coming from
your stomach, but it's actually comingfrom your consciousness. It's a more psychological

(18:55):
trigger. So start with. Youknow, they can do twelve hour fast
right, then you can do asixteen hour fast. Then you can move
to you know, a twenty hourfast, and then you know, you
do a window of one day offone day. Some people will go on
a noon to noon to make iteasier, so it's like not the full
day. And then after that,you know, when I started, I

(19:15):
started, I did one day fast, and then eventually I moved to a
two day fast, and then afterabout three months I did it my first
three day fast, and six monthslater I did my first ten day fast,
and so it's pretty easy once youbreak the psychological component. The other
thing is is when you first startdoing them, they're going to be a

(19:37):
little bit harder than when you getlater on. Your body seems to adapt
to them, and it's good tohave. Sometimes you might even want to
do a cleanse in combination, takesome herbs and some other things to advent
as an adjunct to the fast,because it kind of gives you something to
do and gets you over the habitof wanting to eat. And then subconsciously

(20:00):
that's the other part, just gettingused to the fact because you start to
realize how much time, effort,energy, thought, emotion goes into what
am I going to eat next?It's a huge thing, and you know,
just making an adjustment to that allthat extra free time and free thought
space. Yeah, that's a goodgeneral recommendation for life is to whatever is

(20:21):
coming up, to sit with thatfirst and then decide whether or not that's
something you actually need. This isa big problem with any sort of addiction
is they just immediately go into thething. But if you can sit with
it first, that's where the magicapp is. Specifically with fasting. What
are some of the things that yourecommend taking during a fast. Well,

(20:42):
one of the radical experiments I didthat will maybe shock people was I realized
that I've get the benefits of fasting. I believe stem a lot from freeing
up our natural enzymatic production, whichis usually devoted to digestion, and sending

(21:03):
all that enzymatic potential to healing thebody. So people have been using fasting
and virtually every culture for thousands ofyears to heal themselves. So I said,
well, if that's theory is true, what would happen if I start
increasing the amount of enzymes? Greatstory that you people love. So I

(21:23):
decided I would go on this wholejourney. And I started first twenty five
and fifty and then and then ata one hundred a day, and then
I did a thousand of matter.Yeah, and none of it came out
in my stool, which was amazing. So my body was absorbing and utilizing
it all. But when I wenton one hundred a day fast for ten
days, at one point in mylife. On the third day, I

(21:45):
felt a strange sensation in my liver. It was very discomfortable, but I
didn't feel it was like bad,but I just felt like there was talks
in school. I went to mycolon therapist. I tried to get colon.
Osby's like this, no colons,there's nothing in your coal, and
you're fine. And then so Istill had this feeling. It was a
growing sense of pain, and thatpain started to increase. It was almost

(22:07):
like a stabbing sensation in my liver. And I had heard about drinking salt
water brine as a way to getrid of toxins inside the system if you
ingested. And I felt that myliver was literally inflamed with toxins. And
I'm still taking one hundred mass signsevery day. So I decided I'd get
up in the morning and I dranka whole lead of saltwater brine that's not

(22:30):
saltwater. I said about thirty eightpercent or thirty six percent, something like
that, like the salt is it, it's it's you gotta plug your nose
to drink it. It's really intense. I lie down on my side and
I kind of let the water poolwhere my liver was. And then after
about thirty minutes, I felt theneed to go vomit, and I went
right out of the bathroom and Ivomited. I wish I could have got

(22:52):
a sample. It was with thisbright greenish yellow, looked like poison come
out of my system down the sinkingwas gone, and literally ninety five percent
of the pain just immediately left andI went into a state of euphoria.
I believe that using these enzymes masssymes in particular, because they're so potent,

(23:15):
was accelerating the detoxification pathway in myliver at the time. Now that's
an anecdotal story, it's not aclaim. I'm not a doctor, but
I have other reports of other peoplegoing through similar things when using high doses
of mass symes and high dosages isprobiotics in combination. So the stack that

(23:37):
I used or suggests to people totry, is for every ten mass symes,
you take take half of that dosagein P three to OM and we've
found tremendous results in accelerating the benefitsof fascinting, especially from a detoxification pathway,
and it also makes the food thecraving for food to disseminate really quickly.

(24:03):
Things that I use. First ofall, one of the things people
are overblowing is autophagy. People,most people don't understand. Autophagy is this
gradient scale, which means that asyou fast deeper and deeper, okay,
it's increasing. We know that exercisedramatically increases autophagy. And let's say you

(24:23):
consume one hundred calories during an extendedfast for the day, and I like
consuming a little bit of fruit beforebed, which we can get into.
Those calories are going to get incineratedvery quickly. My body's going to go
right back into autophagy. So ifyou're doing it just for autophagy, maybe

(24:45):
want to be hyper strict on calories. But if you don't for weight loss,
you know, is a potential toolin the toolbox. You don't need
to be hyper paranoid. You know, if you're eating one hundred calories,
you're still going to be in atwo thousand plus calorie deficit. You're an
average person advertise, So it justdoesn't really matter. So I consume neotropics.

(25:06):
I find that the neotropics help medo two things. When it lowers
my hunger and it increases my neatright on exercise activity thermogenesis, because especially
on day three, day four,day five of a fast, if I'm
not using nootropics, I don't wantto move. I want to set on
the couch and I don't even wantto go to the bathroom. Like that's

(25:26):
how much your neat drops. Andif you look at the research on fasting
and neat, it's significant. ButI can counter that things like APEX or
nectar X or whatever. So yeah, it might take fifty or one hundred
canaries, but I don't care becausethe net benefit energy wise, performance wise,
it counters that. Of course,a lot of minerals, so a
lot of salt, a lot ofcan potassium, magnesium, trace minerals,

(25:52):
hemlin, salt. Like you're losinga lot of minerals while you're fasting,
because you're losing a lot of water. As soon as your glycogen levels are
oh, you expel all that waterthat was attached to the glycogen. So
you need to kind of fight thatdehydration. I mean it's very easy to
get dehydrated on a fast. Cool. Yeah, I when I do a

(26:12):
dex of skin just on a thirtysix hour fast, I'll see a drop
in lean body mass by about fivepercent, So we're talking, We're talking,

(26:33):
you know, six seven pounds ofwhat registers under muscle mass because the
muscles are literally deflating from the lackof glycogen inside of them. And it's
really fun. And I did thisover at Upgraded Labs back when I was
competing last year. I said,I was sharing with them. I said,
hey, watch me change my leanbody mass and body fat ratio like

(26:56):
six seven percent in a day.And they're like, that's not I'm like,
yeah, But what I didn't tellthem is how I was gaming the
system and so every measurement that you'reusing can be gained. And it's one
of the fun things that I liketo do just to mess around with the
techies. So you mentioned Apex,which I actually took before this podcast,

(27:19):
stacked with Upbeat. What other nootropicsdo you take on the past? Try
to say more to the pills,but I'll drink nectar as well. So
Apex, brain Flow, Upbeat,those are probably the main ones. Cool
Dobra drops, Yeah, shout outto Utopia. Yeah, use code captain
morning. All right, Next question, switching gears a little bit into fitness.

(27:44):
So this question is from Giogo fromBrazil. What is the best time
to consume creatine before or after trainingor both? Dividing the dose doesn't really
matter. You know you're going toabsorb it, so it's just not one
of these things you can take.You know. One thing that has some
research that you can drink during aworkout and get better gains is hydrolyzed amino

(28:11):
acids, which means pre digested aminoacids. We actually have the reference inside
the book. Now you can makeyour own pre digested amino acid drink,
which is in the book as well, using mass using about three capsules of
mouse simes, thirty grams of yourfavorite protein, add about a cup or
a cup of fruit, so you'regonna get the glycogen, you're gonna get

(28:32):
the amino acids, and then youcan put some minerals in there as you're
getting electrolytes, and you sip thatthroughout your workout and you will make more
gains. And I did this crazyexperiment. You want to share the three
hundred set experiment. Yeah, wewe mixed that one of these super cocktails
and we sipped it through an entirethree hundred set workout in one we did

(28:55):
one session three hours plus nonstan andnow here was the crazy part. So
I think it was deep at Squallywas the guy suggesting taking amino acids pre
enduring workouts so you could start recoveryinstantly. And we did this three hundred
set workout. How many hours didthat take us? And we were like
and we were going like, we'resuper setting. We're going hard to three

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hours sipping this amino acid cocktail thatwe put together. We're figuring we're gonna
be dead the next day. Likewe're like, okay, I don't know
what's gonna happen tomorrow, but it'sprobably going to be bad. What were
the exercises? Everything we trained,every exercise, everything that we changed.
Literally, I think we were onalmost every piece of equipment in the entire

(29:38):
gym, from squats to pull downs. Like we didn't hold that. This
wasn't like, hey, I'm onlygonna do like fingernail curls. Okay,
Like we went hard and we boththought we were gonna be dead, and
we got up the next day andwe weren't. We had a little bit
of muscle soortus and I'm like okay. The freight trains hitting to morow next

(30:00):
day came the same thing, fellfine, and we were like, wow,
that really worked. And Sherman waswith us. And Sherman's a good
front of mine. He's not asexperienced a trainee, and he was fine
as well. Really yeah, okay, I'm going to give that a test.
We were shocked by the way.You'll notice something very weird flavor wise
the longer you wait to drink it, because the protein is going to transform

(30:23):
into amino acids, and amino acidshave a pretty strong taste, a little
bitter. Yeah, it's bitter,but the key is again you want to
drink it and makes it maybe fifteenminutes before you hit the gym. I'm
going to try to sip it throughoutthe workout. Yeah, do you suffer
with stress, anxiety, trouble sleeping? If so, you could be part

(30:45):
of the eighty percent of people whodon't get enough magnesium in their diet.
Most supplement brands have use cheap,low quality ingredients at ineffective doses. Bioptimizers
goes all in on the formulations,combining seven different forms of bioavailable magnesium.
That's why I recommend magnesium breakthrough frombioptimizers. Weigh protein is bad for me,

(31:08):
and I usually use rice or peaprotein or these good substitutes. What
is the best option. Well,I'm gonna cue the champion of planted protein
here in a second, but I'lljust save one quick comment, which is
the reason why has so much hypearound it. It's the leucine which does
trigger muscle growth. However, peaprotein is pretty comparable. So in terms

(31:32):
of like that leucine activation, peaprotein's great. And you can supplement with
leucine, which is a very inexpensiveamino ascid. But I'm gonna que wait
up here is tried them all.You have been supplementing with plant based proteins
now for the better part almost twentyfive years. And the three types of

(31:52):
protein that I have found to bemost successful at this stage is hemp,
pe and pumpkin. And I wouldsay, in that particular order, the
problems and there's challenges, and I'mgoing to break this down and I'll get
into the question because this is agreat question. With hemp. The biggest

(32:17):
thing is can you get it refinedenough to get enough amino acids because it's
a very hearty, and there's alot of fiber in that, and you
know, so I would say itsmells like a barn and tastes like dirt.
But the more refined you get,the better the profile is pea protein
awesome profile. Too much of it, though, I find, tends to

(32:37):
be a little caky in the guts, you know, where hemp has the
unsoluble fiber which acts like an almostlike grit that kind of cleans out the
system. And then pumpkin has areally nice profile, especially in conjunction with
the other through and it gives acreamier taste, but too much of it
seems a little weird as well.With rice proteins, my preference if you're

(33:00):
going to use a rice protein isif you use a fermented rice protein.
I find that people do much betteron the fermented rice proteins then on the
straight rice proteins. With all plantbased proteins, I do find that a
little bit of a combination of thosetends to work. So if you're taking
a rice you might want to balancethat with a hemp or a pumpkin something

(33:24):
a little bit more fiber. Ifyou're taking a p P protein, a
straight up PA protein only use itin an adjunct because the more that you
get a plant based fiber protein withoutthe fiber, I think it becomes problematic
and can kind of stick and causeconstipation for people, especially if you're not

(33:45):
taking and then kind of mix andmatch. When we develop protein breakthrough,
I think we went through one hundredand seventy plus experiments to get the combination.
One other element, look for theemulsified in the stabilizers, because that's
where most people have problems with plantproteins and oftentimes with way proteins, the

(34:08):
guagums and things like that, becausewhat's happening, it's not the proteins,
The problem is the emulsifier. Thestabilizer is swelling up in their guts and
giving them that discomfort feeling. Soyou want to really clean straight up plant
based protein and balance your proteins witha little bit of fiber and you'll do

(34:30):
well on it. And I've beendoing that for years, and that's my
twenty five year strategy on flat basedproteins in a nutshell, so nice.
Hopefully your listener will get some benefitof that. Yeah, I'm glad we
clarified that too, because I've gota lot of Corni Bora followers and they
see me using Protein Breakthrough and they'rethey're shitting on me for it, and
I'm like, guys, like thisis a great combination. Like I've noticed

(34:53):
better digestibility from this, because typicallyI don't enjoy plant based proteins. But
I think you guys fucking nailed iton the protein breakthrough other way, A
little bit of alpha, a littleleak here for you guys. We have
built several keto versions of Protein Breakthrough. This is not plant based, okay,

(35:14):
And yeah, hopefully they'll come outprobably in the new year. They
taste amazing, by the way,I mean, it's easy to make stuff
taste pretty good with the cream.Yeah, yeah, stay tuned. I'm
excited for that, all right.Next question from Captain seven Steves. He
says, what are the healthiest waysto prepare or substitute ingredients for Italian food

(35:37):
such as pasta and pizza. Well, I'll take that one because I've been
doing a lot of that, so, I mean, I love pasa,
I love pizza, and you know, one of the concepts we talked about
the book, which is such apowerful one, and we call the simplest
secrets just eating the same thing everyday. So for the last few months,

(36:00):
I've been eating pasta probably like fiftysixty seventy percent of the time.
I get Miracle noodles or I getyou know, these low carb seaweed based
pastas what America, it's made outof a well, it looks like pasta
and it's typically made out of aseaweed. It was one called Konjack and
it's almost zero calories. Yeah,Like it's just awesome from a macro perspective.

(36:23):
I get good tomato sauce with youknow, maybe one hundred calories and
two cups, but a little bitof cheese and then whatever meat I want
to mix in with the tomato sauce, and it feels I mean, is
it as it's I'd say eighty percentis good or seventy percent is good as
a true Italian dish. But Iget the experience of it. And that's
one of the things we we we'vealways known with our clients we talk about

(36:45):
in the book is like focused onjust upgrading things. And that's a great
example, like upgrading from gluten loadedpasta to say lower carb or higher protein
pasta. But it does some reallygood bean based pastas have been using as
well when I when I want tohit or carbs don't care. So there's

(37:05):
a lot of options in terms ofalternative pastas. And you know, there's
a classic Keto pizza crust you cando and call your flour and mixing mats
of cheese and so, you know, playing around these things is a lot
of fun and I think it's ahuge part of making a diet work.
So wait, any tips, youknow, it's pretty much the same thing.

(37:28):
I think it's one of the ourcourse, we actually have some recipe
books that allow people to start experimentingwith some of their favorite foods while still
hitting their macros and within that dietaryphilosophy that works for them. Because you
know, we share how to besuccessful on virtually any diet, and we

(37:49):
provide these recipe books to give youideas because oftentimes we get locked into what
we learned from you know, momor dad or grandma or grandpa, and
we think that's the only way todo that. You need someone to kind
of introduce this and you go,oh wow. And then usually what happens
after you've had a few of those, you start to activate your creativity and
start making other recipes and bringing thefun back into the kitchen. Yeah.

(38:13):
Yeah, That's what I found isa lot of people think if they want
to eat healthy or lose weight,that they have to forego all their favorite
foods, and that's absolutely not thecase. There were healthy alternatives for everything.
Yes, And one thing I've heardfor pasta and gluten is that it's
not necessarily the gluten, because there'ssome people who travel to Italy, for
example, and are able to consumethe pasta. There is that because they

(38:38):
were going to glyphysates, which bythe way, at the Dave Ask pre
event, they asked me to speakabout on a glyphystate panel. So I
told the lab, I said,okay, I don't want to speak on
the panel unless we do a bunchof experiments. So we tested a whole
variety of probotics, including all ofours. We tested the enzymes. To
my surprise, the enzymes in work. What did work was the microbiome breakthrough.

(39:04):
It broke a but ninety percent ofthe glyphosate downow and there was there
was some other probotics that were notusing yet that were incredibly successful. So
guess where those those are going.They're coming in an upgraded version of Microbiome
Breakthrough. They'll be released next year. So yeah, there is again.
Wade and I are big proponents ofyou can counter the downside of any meal

(39:30):
with the right blend of enzymes andprobotics. Yes, whether it is gluten
with Gluten Guardian or KPEX for ketogenicmeal, like, it just doesn't matter,
just a solution. Yeah. Icarry my little travel pill case filled
with my digestive SWAT team to youknow, when I travel any restaurant,
because you don't know what's in thatfood. So that's been a game changer

(39:51):
for me traveling so much. I'mgonna skip one question and come back to
it because we're talking about glyvasate andorganics. This question is from Sierra.
She asks how important is it toeat organic and what if there are no
organic options? Yeah. So I'vebeen a big advocate of organic food eating

(40:13):
well literally since I was a teenageror a small child. My mom made
it an organic garden. We allthought she was crazy. Then I went
to university and realized that, ohwow, I feel different when I eat
organic food versus non organic food,and so I began to make a conscientious
effort to increase the amount of organicfood that I had. Now, what

(40:37):
is organic food and what is nonorganic food? And this is where I
think our regulatory bodies have done amassive disservice to the population. For example,
the USDA allows fifty different chemicals onorganic food. Really yeah. And

(40:59):
also organically grown food may be putin a truck with inorganic food, and
that truck may be going across theborder where they spray the whole truck with
who knows what. So what isthe benefit of organic? And you can
you can go to your own gardenthat's the best. You can go to

(41:23):
like a Mennonite farm or something likethat, and you're going to get really
good heirloom seeds and traditional growing.That's awesome. You can get organic produce
from your local store, and thereare various levels to how that is.
So you know, I live closeto ear one which has absolutely meticulous standards

(41:43):
about toxicity and what comes into thatthat's going to vary from store to store
to varying degrees. And then there'sa conventional conventionally grown food. Then there's
also you're dealing with like a greenhousefood. Okay, So these are the
different types of sources of food.Ultimately, you know, biodegradable, organic

(42:08):
local produce. It's very difficult tobeat that. If you can eat it,
you can feel the difference, youtaste the difference, you know the
difference. That's just not an optionfor most people. What I do to
counter that with the food that Ieat is I have a congan machine that
makes an eleven point five pH water, which is very very viscous. It's
so viscous it will actually emulsify oilbased chemicals. And most of these are

(42:32):
oil based chemicals, so you can'twash them off, and those little veggie
washes and stuff, that's another loadof crap. So I soak my vegetables
in the eleven point five and abouttwenty five percent or so, maybe a
little bit higher than that of organicfoods. I'll see a chemical toxic substance
come off that you can see.The water's discolored, it looks really strange,

(42:55):
and the fruits and vegetables afterwards tastesvibrant, they taste like they came
from that super organic. So thebenefit of organically grown is you're going to
get more nutrients in the food.But don't make the assumption that that's one
hundred percent safe. Again, ifyou are, you know, spending as

(43:16):
much time optimizing your digestion like wedo, you can counter some of the
chemical effects, but we don't knowabout long term toxicity, especially if you
have suboptimal detoxification pathways, which youcan test on a genetics test. So,
for example, I have suboptimal detoxificationpathways. So I do really well

(43:38):
by using all my enzymes and stuffto make sure I'm you know, keeping
the system clean. Even if Idon't get the best that I go out
to eat, I don't worry aboutit, or you know, I go
to social occasions, or if I'mhaving you know, Spike day and I'm
having some of the food that peoplecall junk food. Like I said,
there's no evil food. We actuallyuse it strategically to keep our metabolisms high.

(44:00):
You don't have to worry about it. But I also take mechanisms.
I do specialized detoxification protocol at myhouse. I have a whole CAAP machine
for example, and I really fleshout my system to be conscientious that I
need to say a little extra tensionto detox where someone else might have really
great detoxification pathways and not feel theeffects of conventional foods, and then you

(44:21):
know there's a whole varying degree.And for people looking at studies, I
would trust studies from nutritional companies rightnow better than what you're going to read
in a lot of double blind studies. Because here's many of our institutions at
universities have been captured in order forthem to get funding. They have to

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be funding under regulatory bodies which aresponsored by giant pharmaceutical or agricultural corporations who
are putting pressure to produce results thatsay conventional foods as good as organic,
or this as good as that,or this isn't as harmful of whatever.
And so when we have institutional capturelike that, the consumer needs to be

(45:04):
mindful of it. But I haven'tfelt or found anyone that can say if
they're eating organic food versus non organic, Virtually everyone says I'll choose organic over
in or. But the thing is, don't become so praised that you paralyze
your entire life. Yeah, we'retalking a lot about genetics, So I
will put the link to my recommendedgenetics test in the description I use the

(45:29):
DNA company. I interviewed kashi've Cohnon my podcast a while ago. So
you guys can get a discount andtest a lot of these things that we're
talking about to see what is inyour genetics and what works for you and
what doesn't for anybody who doesn't know, just real quickly, what are some
of the effects of consuming too muchglaf estate. It's murky, there's not

(45:50):
a ton of data. So again, a lot of times people come up
with good sounding theories that generate alot of fear. We touched on lectins
earlier. Night shade, fight itacid, don't eat elemonds, oxalates,
don't eat kale. It just goeson and on. Every week, somebody's
attacking some food for some reason,and that's why people are so confused and

(46:15):
scarce. Yeah, there's legitimately scareds, you know, fear mongering, and
Wade and I have been there.Yeah, we had a raw food phase
and that was probably the epitome ofthat. But the reality is that these
things are minor issues for a smallpercentage of the population. Like, is

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there some people that shouldn't eat nightshades? Yeah? Probably, Again genetics,
is there some people that need tobe a little concerned about lectins?
Yeah, but maybe it's one,two, three, four five percent max.
Same thing would oxcolate. It's like, Okay, you're eating kale once
a week, Are you gonna buildkidney selling because you ate a couple of
chips? I don't think so.So I think again, a lot of

(46:58):
things get overblown. How harmful aregliphasades? That question came up in the
panel and it wasn't just me,it was a few other doctors and they're
not sure. So no one seemsto really know. And again, we
know that a lot of things candisrupt our gut biome, and in my
opinion and against an opinion, theodds that the glyphasades are disrupting our gut

(47:21):
biome pretty close to one hundred.But how much I don't know. Yeah,
And if you strongly feel personally thatyou're having a problem with something like
that, just eliminate it. Thekey is you don't necessarily have to go
on a crusade about it. SoI think that's what happens. You know,

(47:44):
something works for you, and theninstantly one you know needs to become
the card carrying member of the crusaderthat is going to take that message around
the world. Well meaning but notnecessarily applicable to all individuals at all times.
Keep making better choices for yourself,and everything takes care of itself personally,

(48:07):
I try to avoid if possible.So in addition to the organic food
not containing the gut disrupting glyph is, say, it also has higher amounts
of nutrients. That's a general case. Most often organic farmers are very conscientious.
They've chosen organic for a reason,and they're more conscious about the nutrient

(48:34):
quality. So we have a regulatorybody that went on the volume of yield,
not the quality of yield. Soall of the information leads to that
the nutritional contents of food, sayin the nineteen fifties versus today, is
exponentially different in its ability to providevitamins, minerals, essential phyto nutrients,
a whole lot of things we probablyhaven't even discovered as well, phytochemicals,

(48:57):
et cetera. And so I thinkmother nature knows best. I think we've
learned many ways with like things likebiodynamic farming, and you know, I've
seen some people too stew awesome thingswith farming. We also see some incredible
breakthroughs in you know, personalize greenhouseeffects that are using completely different methods than

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you would find in a natural state, which are producing highly nutrient content foods.
So that's why I tried to stayas open as possible and if I
can buy organic food, make organicfood, enjoy organic food. I think
the reconstitution of the minerals, particularlyinto the soil. When you use fertilizer,

(49:43):
oftentimes you strip away a lot ofthe minerals because the food grows faster
and the plant isn't able to extractthe nutrients out of the ground. So
you have weaker plants which have atendency to require more herbicides, pesticides and
fungicides to fight off to fight offinvaders because again the plant, that cellular
health of the plant is not asrobust as say something growing out in the

(50:04):
wild. There's a whole wild craftingthing that talks about putting the weeds in
it and you know, mixing airand not weeding the guard and there's a
whole thing about that saying that thatbuilds heardier, stronger plants and herbs.
So again, once you dive intothe ocean, you know you feel like,
oh, this gets a lot deeper, a lot faster, And if
that's your interest, go for it, and we need we need more farmers,

(50:28):
We need more organic farmers. Weneed more people getting into producing their
own food in their local community,supporting their local farmers, their local groups.
Get out to your local community organicyou know your farmer's market. It's
a wealth of knowledge just chatting withfarmers. There's some of the most sophisticated,
educated, smartest, conscientious, andstraight shooting people you ever meet in

(50:51):
your life. Yea, and yeah, I think there's a lot of wisdom
in farming. Great. Great,We're gonna skip this question for now and
stick on this topic. So thebiz hippie asks supplements versus food? Can
I get all my nutrients from foodnowadays? Or should I supplement? Almost
impossible? Yeah, So there's there'sa couple of considerations. One's way to

(51:15):
highlight, and there's not enough nutrientsin most of the farmers or even organics
are not rotating remineralizing because again it'sit's expensive. There's a cost to that.
So even if there was, evenif somebody did organic farming, let's
say Ed's Pinnacle, the question becomes, well, would there still be enough

(51:37):
nutrients or do I need to supplement? And this is where we go back
to nutu genomics if you've got agenetic mutation like I do. For selenium,
I've been consuming through Brazil that's today, and the general advice was one,
I'm like, Okay, it's stillnot enough for me, so now
I need to go to a supplement. So I ordered like almost a pure

(51:58):
selenium source that I'm going to supplementin order to get my selenium to the
optimal zone, because again food justdidn't cut it. And yeah, do
I want to get to five hundredcalories of Brazil that's today? Not really
right? So there's the mutation element. And then when you're looking at your
blood work sometimes things are off rightif you do a hair hair analysis,

(52:20):
mineral tests, or you're looking atyour blood work, and again you're eating
what you think is a great diet, and that's where supplements come in as
well. You want to make theadjustments. You'll give your body more of
what it's missing or supply some newmolecules that'll fix something. So again,
supplements have their place. And Ithink, yes, we need to eat
great food, but it's only goingto take us so far. If we

(52:43):
really want to get to the optimizone, go ahead, Yeah, I always
say, you can't supplement your wayout of a bad lifestyle and what you
try to do, and even thebest diet can be improved by the right
supplements for you. That's what I'velearned in my thirty plus years in the
game. Agreed, Agreed, allright. This question is from Serene McDaniel.

(53:08):
I eat a plant based diet,no gluten, very little dairy and
meat, only fish and shellfish.Is this a problem? Weird discuss it?
It's it's only a problem if you'renot achieving your goals. I In
fact, if I was to goon a limb and say what would probably

(53:32):
be the best diet for the widestgroup of people, I would say probably
a pescatarian diet. If I've youknow, I've been all over the world,
and I think that the Japanese asa culture have probably figured out diet
better than any culture in the world, with proportions components, the combination of

(53:54):
all the things that they're doing,the color of the presentation, the conscientiousness
around food and everything. And it'slargely a pescatarian diet in coastal Japan because
of the abundance and seafood, andyou know, the high mineral content where
they grew a lot of vegetables andthey were very versatile and their fermented food.
So I a would say that's probablythe most universally accepted diet and if

(54:17):
that's working for that person, greatcool. Have you been to Okinawa?
I have several times. In fact, I had a tree planted there in
honor of me with the Japanese familythat I've done some work with their corporation,
So it's and it's a special place. I'm going back next year.
And I can tell you the firsttime I went to Okinawa, and I

(54:40):
was just in a regular hotel andthey have these beautiful buffets over there,
and I started eating all these vegetablesI had never had before, and I
could literally feel like things like mybody lighting up like a Christmas tree with
whatever nutrients were in that food.I was like, Wow, this food,

(55:01):
now one of these people live solong, this like there is vitality
in this food, and I can'twait to go back. Like that was
this several years ago. That wasthe last time I went, And in
my mind, I'm still thinking aboutthe vegetables I had in Okinawa. So
yeah, just how mineral rich thatplace. Is that A Japanese girlfriend for

(55:24):
many years. So we went took now and had a place where they
were processing sugar using cattle, andthe sugar was black, and I asked,
like, you we've seen brown sugar, right, I asked like,
why is the sugar black? Itsays it's the mineral content. Yeah,
it was that rich. Anything tolook at brown sugar white? I mean
you're just stripping things out of it. Yes, Yeah, I wish I

(55:45):
would have known about all this whenI was in Okinawa. I was there
in the Marine Corps and I wasoblivious to all this stuff. I did
get my advanced scuba certification there,which was awesome, water beautiful. Yeah,
all right, gentlemen. Question,I'm excited for this one because this
one can go into a nutrition butalso a lot deeper than that. This

(56:06):
question is from Drew. How doyou nourish your soul? Great question?
So I think the best way toanswer that for the general masses is go
read the entire series of doctor DavidHawkins Power Versus for us, because I
think he's probably He is a formerpsychiatrist that dealt with every single psychiatric condition

(56:34):
you can have. He's also ahardcore scientist. He can communicate in a
language that we understand today. Healso, having met him many times we'd
go to his events, was trulya remarkable human being. If you want
to talk about a mystic, atrue energetic soul that had profound impact on
people, he was that guy,and he made a massive influence on us.

(56:57):
Inside of that, he suggests acouple of practices that are valuable.
I think for anyone one is totake any statement like be kind and loving
as a mantra for the day,and try to apply it. So be
kind to everyone, everybody, alltimes, including myself, for the entire

(57:19):
try and practice that or any versefrom almost any spiritual discipline. Second,
find a spiritual discipline that is concordantwith your culture, your belief systems,
and with your state of awareness withoutcondemning others. So, as he likes
to say, you don't have tohate chocolate to love vanilla, Okay,
I just prefer vanilla over chocolate,and recognize that. I believe that all

(57:44):
religious practices are founded in spiritual principles, but they get canonized and doctrinized and
sometimes polarized by people because they're allaspiring to a greater sense of consciousness.
But everybody's kind of on that scale, and there can be what appears to
be inconsistencies at one level resolve themselvesat another points like no matter how what

(58:07):
way you go up the mountain,eventually everybody ends up at the peak.
And I think it's the true forconsciousness for some people. And I'm one
of those people. I've found ameditative practice very helpful for me. Some
people prefer affirmation processes, some peoplefind themselves getting into spiritual states through music

(58:28):
or singing or chanting or kitchen traditionalchanting, and some people like hardcore philosophical
contemplation, like you know, particularzen practices. I believe most people will
move through many of those throughout thecourse of their life as a human if
they're making spiritual development a goal anda mandate in their lives. And you

(58:54):
know, I started out, youknow, in a Christian church. You
know, that evolved into as Igot exposed to Eastern philosophy and started a
meditation practice. I found spirituality inan odd place through dancing and music.

(59:15):
I would get into euphoric states ingreat places for that, and then I
started to understand that the more Igot into the philosophical aspect. Now I
find I combine meditation, affirmation,and contemplation, in other words, introspection
through key devices to design to kindof become self aware and address my suboptimal

(59:36):
parts of my personalities, and alsoin a way that doesn't beat myself up.
But I can own my dark side, yes, but not be paralyzed
by it. And it's like,yeah, you know, Okay, I'm
kind of loud, and you know, I'm kind of opinionated sometimes, and
you know, I can be youknow, really piercing or you know,
short sometimes, and you know,sometimes I get really rouled up and angry
about stupid things, and then Ikind of laugh about it, you know,

(01:00:00):
because I'm not my body, I'mnot my thoughts, I'm not my
emotions. I am an observation ofthose things. And that's kind of a
spiritual aspect, and that's how Ikind of look at the whole endeavor at
this point in my life. SoI've read Power Versus Force and also I
believe it's called the Power of LettingGo. Yeah, amazing book, okay,

(01:00:23):
which I mean obviously read all ofthem, but which which one would
you? Well, let's ask this, which one would you recommend people read
first? Probably for most people,the power of letting go, because usually
the obstacles in life are not whatyou're trying to get, it's what you're
unwilling to let go of. Youknow, an idea, some sort of
you know statement that you think you'retrying to get to something, but it's

(01:00:45):
really your You're you're you're not lettinggo of the juice that you think that's
going to give you, and thatjuice is available to you right now.
You don't need to be rich tobe happy, you don't need to be
famous to be happy. You don'teven need to be healthy to be family
happy. But all of those thingscan contribute to happiness, or they could
be the catalyst to spiral down intodespair. Has happened with many very rich,

(01:01:09):
famous, successful, healthy people thatyou would think, Oh, they
got everything, why are they despair? Because they haven't addressed that internal relationship
with life. If you address that, I think that it opens up a
vast amount of possibilities. It makeslife far more enjoyable whatever stage that you're
in. As opposed to say,when I get to yes, which is

(01:01:34):
a sense of lack and I thinkall true spirituality is expansive in nature.
It's inclusive in nature, and itbrings more joy into your life than less.
And that's why I think that LettingGlout Go for most people is a
great book. If you're more headyand scientific, you probably really like Power
Versus for Us. But the wholeseries that he's done done, I think

(01:01:59):
ten main books and a couple ofadjunct books, they're incredible. I have
books by my bad books on mycounter. I keep them everywhere. Link
to Power Versus Force and the powerof Letting Go will be in the description,
Matt, how do you nourish yoursoul? I try to really fill
my life and my routines with people, places and things that I feel love.

(01:02:22):
Starting course at home, I've gota baby girl eighteen months, so
like two or three times a daywe're hanging out and it's just a powerful
source of love. I mean,it's the love I feel for it.
It's just awesome, right of course, my wife, the cats like so
as I'm walking around my home,there's always just like a love vibe somewhere

(01:02:45):
right, and that nourishes me alot. Same thing on the love front
is, you know, I feellike I need to hang out with my
friends like on a weekly basis,because there's a brotherly love energy that's different
than with my wife. Yes,and I I feel I need that I
do, so that's really important.On the kind of spiritual work side,

(01:03:08):
I've been in the program, beenin addiction to recovery now for over fourteen
years. There's a tribe there ofpeople that again love me until I love
myself, which took a while.And that's a huge part of my spiritual
foundation that feeds me. And youknow, I'm still active on a weekly

(01:03:30):
basis. I sponsor you guys,which fees my soul on a pretty deep
level. I just came back froma yearly retreat where it's like eighty to
one hundred guys again just doing spiritualactivity for the weekend. We do brain
trainings that hopefully will offer to thepublic in a year and a half two

(01:03:50):
years. That's that's a program we'vebeen developing, pioneering that I think in
terms of a five to five daymetal morphosis is the pinnacle. You know,
you can do years, if notdecades of emotional work and spiritual work.
So the neurofeedback technology that's available tothe publics getting more and more powerful,

(01:04:14):
and that's exciting because typical meditation isa very difficult process. Like I
struggled to meditate until I use neurofeedback, like I would do it. They
didn't know what if I was doingright, if I was doing wrong,
got bored, you know, likewhatever, you know, just it was
a failure. And then I dida couple of rounds in your feedback,

(01:04:36):
and then I just got it.I'm like, Okay, I can go
here, I can go there,I can push my brain this way that
way. So yeah, neural feedbackthing is an incredible thing. But at
the end of the day, Ijust want to be surrounded with loving people
that give me love and I givethem love and it just creates this incredibly

(01:04:56):
powerful energy. I mean, Idon't think anything can feed my soul more
than that. What do you think'swrong with people who don't like cats?
Honestly, when people full disclosure,when somebody kind of doesn't vibe with animals,
I feel like there's something often them, you know. Yeah, there's
some spiritual work there somewhere. Yeah. I made I'm glad you guys answered

(01:05:18):
the way that you did, becauseI made a post today that said,
you can have everything, but ifyou don't have the one just love,
it can feel like nothing. Solike you mentioned, guys who have everything,
They've got the money, they've gotthe cars, all the things,
but if you don't love yourself orhave other people who love and support you,

(01:05:43):
then it can all feel like nothing. Last last question that I ask
everybody on the podcast. My purposeis to make thriving standard because, as
you guys are well aware, mostof the population is in a state of
survival. So briefly, what doesthriving mean to you? It's about fulfilling

(01:06:05):
your god given mission to the bestof your ability at any given moment,
and enjoying the journey, even whenit's tough, because internally, you know
there's no other place that you'd betrather be. So striving is in an

(01:06:26):
external state. Striving is a stateof mind. It's a directional and active
component. And in order to getwhat I think is intoned in the world
words striving, you sometimes have toflail for a while till you get your
strive on. And I'm a greatexample. I sucked at everything I ever

(01:06:50):
tried, but I always say Iwas too stupid or too stubborn to cluit
because when I felt, when Ifelt that this is what I'm supposed to
do, I just stayed with itno matter what. And it didn't matter
what if I was successful when theworld's eyes, it didn't matter if people
liked it. It didn't do itfor it didn't matter. I just felt

(01:07:12):
good about doing it. And uh, maybe that's a character defect. I
don't know, but that's what Ifeel striving. And then all of a
sudden, it's like everything works andit feels like like what happened? Like
someone someone asked me, what,like, what was your keys to success?
And I'm like, I don't know. I've been doing the same thing
forever. And then suddenly someone startsthrowing the moniker that you're successful, you

(01:07:34):
know, start, keep going,start and keep going. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, when are Honestly, Idon't understand people that aren't striving like
I don't. I don't understand it. I can't relate to it. Thriving
is the work. Yeah, Ithink when you're when you're striving and you're

(01:07:55):
aligned with God's will, that's whenyou thrive. The wait I retire about
that in a car is like youknow when you're when you're doing the right
thing and everything feels like in flowand it's working. To me, that's
when I feel like, Okay,my will is aligned with God's will right
now because it's just working. Andthat's probably where I feel thriving this the

(01:08:17):
most. And yeah, I thinkstriving this, which is again different,
is a natural state when you're Dopamine'sgood when you're focused on the right things.
And for a long time I wasstriving and ungrateful. That was a

(01:08:38):
place of suffering. But when Ichange that and now I'm I'm just naturally
striving, but I'm grateful for whereI'm at. At all times, I
feel like I'm thriving. Yeah,I think that's a that's a good mix.
Striving is not quite there. Thrivingis striving with gratitude. I like

(01:09:00):
that. Love it all right,gentlemen, Thank you very much. This
was a wonderful conversation. Listeners,You guys can get a discount on anything
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(01:09:47):
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(01:10:32):
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DNA kiss, and that's going tointegrate with the app. So we're this
is just the beginning, like weare here to redefine nutrition, really help
people get to a new level ofhealth. I mean, of course we
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(01:10:53):
So this book will certainly help peopledo that. And of course with
all the older tools that THEMN togetherwe will make thriving standards. Love it.
It's a great peace. H mhmm.
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