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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Card King here right come helloup, music fans, music collectors,
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morning on a program this morning. I welcome in one
of the legends of progressive rock. He was the lead
guitarist with Genesis as part of their classic lineup that
produced acclaimed albums such as Selling England by the Pound,
a favorite of John Lennon and so many others. I
welcome in guitarists and Rock and Roll Hall of Famer
Steve Hackett, Steve honor to have you.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh lovely to talk to you guys.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
How are you doing good?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And you know? So much to talk about Steve, your
new release and just a tremendous music career. Let's begin
with current news. The Lamp stands up live at the
Royal Albert Hall, which is now officially released. What can
you tell us all about this new release?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Well, it was at the end of last year we
recorded it and it was an amazing gig in London.
We had some special guests. It went to the top
of the charts over here in the UK, which is
which is great. It's it's it's amazing that lamb Liight's
Down seems to be very much in the news because
there's going to be a new ATMOS mix of it
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and a re release and a box set and all
that which is coming up very soon. From the original.
But you know, I've been out there playing this stuff
now for quite a few months. Not not the entire album,
because there wouldn't be any time for anything else, but
I do nine songs from the original Lambeys Down on Broadway,
plus a lot of other things. You mentioned Setting England
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by the Pounds, so there's there's at least three tracks
from Setting England and that always goes down very well.
Dancing with the Moonlit Night Cinema show Firth fifth, he's
firm fan favorites, so I like to cover both those albums.
Plus there's rooms for other stuff as well, some solo
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stuff and various things, a little bit of stuff from
Trick of the Tale from nineteen seventy six, so it's
an amazing band and the album has done amazingly well,
and we're going to be touring very soon. In a
couple of weeks, we're going to be over to the
States and really looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
And Steve, you just completed your European tour? Am I
right on that?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
That's right? Yes, we have.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yeah, yeah, we've been touring various places. Just came back
from Italy. There's a lot of stuff there, very interesting.
The Italians go nuts. Ever since Fox Trot was early
nineteen seventy two, it's that John Lennon period where he
picked up on the band and started say nice things
about us. In other words, he said most famously that
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he thought that Genesis were true sons of the Beatles,
true sons of Well, he was ten years older than me,
So I don't know about being an actual son of
John Lennon. That's not quite biologically possible, but certainly take
on the mantle of the glorious work that they did,
and I'll accept the compliment for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I mean, that is unbelievable. And you know, I have
a little clip of one of your favorites, a lily
White Lilith that's released all over online. I want to
play a little bit of that. I'm going to give
the audience a little tease of the Great Steve Hackett.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Sure thing, let's hear it now, it's.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
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if that was the food she love pat, I could
tell you the tree that was bolding back the mail
face and a male skin.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
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to the tunnel nightly whe.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
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you say that we fel the wait?
Speaker 7 (04:46):
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Speaker 5 (04:47):
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Speaker 7 (04:51):
So?
Speaker 5 (04:52):
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Speaker 6 (04:59):
Cost come to many White. She want to take it
to the tunnel of mom Renny White.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
She got to take you at.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
Spa and my dogs.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
I have to prase face moll dear how Godness says,
because you're growing south growing there? What does she look.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
To the room and there it.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Is Lily White, Lilith Genesis. The Great Steve Hackett is
with us this morning. I mean, you guys sound great, Steve.
It's unbelievable. Forty to fifty years later, you sound amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah, I was thinking it sounded pretty good and I'm
going to turn up pretty glud here, so it's distorting
my device to god knows what. But it sounds lovely
hearing it served up on the radio with all that
extra compression. And so I always loved the sound of
radio ever since we first started going over years and
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years ago, of course half.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
A century ago.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
You know, things always sounded great when they were super
compressed on on FM. So you know, yeah, I mean
it's great, isn't it. You know, I grew up in
the era of mono, so never mind all the rest,
you know, five to one and at Moss.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And all the rest.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
You know, it was practically from the era of seventy eight.
So it's great to hear stuff, you know, being made
powerful with technology. It was Chris lord Algi mixed the album.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
Force, which is which is great because he's worked with everybody,
just everybody, and he's done a great job on it,
as he did with the last live one that we had,
which was recorded in Brighton on the South coast in
the UK.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
He did a great on that one.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And Steve, you know, for I have about one hundred
thousand or soul listeners. Where can they all pick up
your current new release?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Where can they pick it up?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Well, you know that's interesting, isn't it. How do I
explain that? Well, I guess you know, they'll they'll get
that from info. Hacket Songs is the best thing. And
you know we have we have a web store. We
also when we're touring, we also carry albums.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
So we do we do sell.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Like that because you know, record shops are a bit
of a known these days. Unless your area has something
that I don't know about. It's you know, that seems
to be a thing of the past. I lament that,
as I'm sure many of your listeners do. The idea
of going in and browsing seems to be something of
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the past. But then when I see the resurgence in
interest in in vinyl, then hey, maybe at some point
there's going to be a resurgence of interest in actually
going out and buying a record somewhere. It's it's a
very strange thing. These things are very cyclic, it seems
to me. But I know that not everybody wants to
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subscribe to Spotify and not own something and rent it.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Personally, I want to I want to own something.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
But hey, if that call me old fashioned if you will,
but I like to own stuff, whether it's a DVD
or Blu ray. And of course, yeah, I mean there
is a blue Blu Ray in the package, so you
get that, you get the CD, all of that.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
And some of my.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Band members accused me of being out of the arc
because I like CDs, but hey, that's the way I
like it.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I like to listen on CD.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I like full bandwidth CD and ray.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah sounds great to me.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Well, yeah, let's repeat the website again, hacketsongs dot com.
You can check out the website and you have so
much information, so much information, let's talk about There's also
more news that's been currently released, Steve, is that your
band is celebrating five decades of the legendary Genesis concept
album The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, And you know,
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I have to thank you for keeping this ultimate classic
Genesis going on with all the work that in the
band are doing. So yeah. Now, when you look back
at those early seventies years with Genesis, Steve, did you
feel at the time playing in the band that you
were witnessing the birth of what became a super group.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It's a very strange thing, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
You know, I mean, my ambitions were much more than that.
The idea is that when you're a kid, you're staring
at shop windows, at guitars and apps that you can't afford,
and then you get you finally get your first Gibson
or whatever it is, and then oh.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Oh, wouldn't it be great to help a band that
I can can use this in?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
And then you get a band, and then of course
ambitions go up all the time you start in clubs
and colleges and all the rest.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
If you're lucky.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Certainly we did in those days, and the band it
far exceeded my expectations, and I'm very pleased to say
that it's you know, joined the Rock and Roll Hall
of Fame, amongst other things, and.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
John Lennon said nice things about us, so that's great.
I mean, I don't distance myself.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
From whatever the band did back in the day and
all the subsequent things you know that I've done with
various bands that I've fronted myself.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
So I enjoyed that.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I enjoyed the GDR period that I had post Genesis,
A lot of stuff that I'm very grateful for very
thankful for to have had a very very loyal audience.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And it's great. I mean, music is still what fires
me up. What can I tell you?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
That's that's really it. I get excited by it every day.
I get excited by doing new stuff. And I'm working
on a new one of course, because that's what I do.
I do that rather than take long extended holidays, I
tend to do, you know, maybe a weekend away, a weekend.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
In Venice, because the British weather is a.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Thunderstorm was raging just five minutes before and lightning just
before we started talking. So if it kicks off again,
you might hear something explosive that will not be a
compressed snare drum.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
It will be stopping crashing through the roof.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
You know, Steve, I've been reading a lot about the
early Genesis, you know, because I'm learning about the early
years of Genesis. I know the eighties and ninety you know,
the eighties and nineties. But you know what's ironic to me,
and I don't know if I'm right insane is but
you know, you know that phase with you and Gabriel,
the class sick lineup was really short lived. There was
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only what five years, because Gabriel quitted seventy five, you
left at seventy seven. It was really short lived, but
you guys left that mark.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Well, you know, I think it's there are bands that
are short lived. Obviously, the band carried on. It was
formed at school originally, and carried on after Gabriel and
I left.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
But somehow, you know, you never really leave the music.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
I choose to honor the music amongst other things, because
you know, many of those songs were so great, and
so I loved playing it then and I love playing
it now.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Now. Now seventy seven, you depart Genesis, and I'm assuming,
I'm assuming you wanted to do your own thing. Did
you want to be your own boss? Would that be
fair to say?
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Well, I think you know, when you're in a band,
it can be tricky because you kind of need everyone's
permission in order to be able to recall anything, let
alone do something solo. And I started doing solo stuff
and it was seen as divisive and contentious, even though
there were guys in the band that helped me to
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do it my first solo effort. But you know, it's
very hard to switch off the tap once you've become.
It's a bit like running a ship. Once you've been
captain of it, it's very hard to go back to
being a mere member of the crew and asking for permission.
So it's the downside of bands, of course, asked Jehge Harrison.
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But hey, you know, you come to great greatness with
each other's help, and then after that you search for,
you know, something deep and personal inside yourself because you
want to test what you can do yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And work with other people.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
I think it's very important not to just work with
one team for the rest of your life, but to
be able to work with music that will be equally exciting,
even though the team may change.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
So I hope that the spirit remains. That's my main point.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, so you when you left A seventy seven Darryl Sturmer,
he takes over right and he plays on those commercially
successful songs in the Air to Night, et cetera. Do
you have any thoughts opinions on Sturmer's playing style, like
the comparison between you know, how you would play a
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tune rather versus how Sturmer would play it too.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, well, you know, it's the same thing.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
When I've listened to fleet with Mac when you've got
Lindsey Buckingham playing Peter Green's guitar parts at times. Of course,
you know, a great band is always a great band,
and and Darryl's a great player and a very sweet guy.
So you know, I wished him all the success in
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the world working with with with Genesis, so he's on
all those live things, and of course on Phil's stuff,
and Phil of course, you know, Phil Collins did amazingly
well as as a solo performer, you know, both in
the band and as a solo act. So these guys
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haven't exactly been idle over over time.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Right, And you know, I read some comparisons, but a
lot of people all over the internet say that Steve
Hackett singlely handedly created the sweet picking and the two
handed tapping. I mean, that's something that Eddie the Great
Eddie van Halen admired. He was a big fan of yours,
Eddie van Aleen.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, well, you know, like.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Eddie was, was a great player. And it's it's great
when you get a player that you admire yourself saying
nice things about you. So it's a technique that that
was kind of added on a plate to shredders. It's
a way of playing very, very fast, and so I'm
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pleased that I've kind of added to the glossary of
terms that schwdders can use.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, and I have a few minutes left with you.
I want to get this in Steve at the time,
I know you went on and had a fascinating solo career.
You mentioned GTR and so much more when you left Genesis.
Now out of curiosity, when you first left in seventy seven,
did you have any other bands wanting you to join them?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Well, over time, I've had offers from extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Bands.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I mean I had an offer from Yes at one point,
and I thought that would look really good on my CV.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
You know, played guitar with Genesis and with Yes.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
But in a way, I think to be your own man,
I was thinking, funny enough, I was just watching a
Jeff Beck video today and thinking about the Great Man
and his passing, and and I'm thinking that you know
that he had offers from the Stones to join and
and all this kind of stuff, And you think, well,
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that's great. You know, that's for the for the CV.
But on the other hand, if you want to do
something astounding I suspect that, you know, to do it
within a group framework is possibly not not the best
way to gain everyone's long term respect, if you know
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what I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Right right now, your relationship with Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins,
uh uh, you guys keep in touch. I mean, it's
a shame, it's tragic what's going on with Phil.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yes, Uh, I'm.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Gonna I'm going to be seeing them in in a
few days and we're going to be doing some listening
to some stuff together. So I'm certainly looking forward to that.
I'm hoping that Phil's going to be there. Yeah, I
have great love for the guys.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I think they were.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
They were all terrific, you know, both together and individually.
I mean, there were no passengers in that in that band.
They're all world class and I love them to bits.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
And you know, since I have you on Steve, I
got to mention you mentioned GTR. When you go back
to the beginning of GTR, how did that concept to
your mind to create this band?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Well, funnily enough, Brian Lane, who was yes as a
manager and also asious manager, was a near neighbor of
mine when I was run about seventy seven by the
time i'd left a Genesis, I just left and I
would bump into him in the street, and I guess
it really came out of the conversation where he said, oh,
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you know, Steve Howard not doing anything at the moment,
and the idea came up, well, perhaps two guitarists.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Forming a band, and.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Yeah, you know, it did very well and we had
a hit single, but when.
Speaker 9 (20:14):
The Heart Rules the Mind and an album that did
fabulously well on that side of pond, and I did
a re record funnily enough with Steve Rothery of When
the Heart Rules the Mind.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I might just stick it on.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
The next the next album, possibly as a as a
if not as a front runner, but maybe as a
as a as a bonus track.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
But that sounds great that the song always blew me away.
I always loved the song, and I loved doing the
re record of it because that sounds really amazing.
Speaker 10 (20:48):
Even though it was a sort of mid eighties thing,
there's still the power of the song which has got
that kind of mixture of what I was looking for,
which was cross between what would it be like if
Genesis and Yes got together and you had something?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
And I think we hit something at that point, and
it also it also was a hit, so I've got
nothing to be ashamed of it.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
No, absolutely not. And you know I'm going through your
website news and blogs. I mean, we could do a
whole show just on your blogs. I see that you're
starting the North American tour. What can you tell us
about that?
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Well, we'll be doing pretty much the same set, but
what we're going to do is to leave out a
couple of a couple of tracks and we're going to
do the whole of Suppers ready from Foxtrot. So you know,
that's a firm favorite. It gets voted top of the
Pops for progressive stuff all the time, and so I
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do that, and of course it's nearly half an hour long.
It's a great long piece, but it leaves us room
to do nine tracks from Landmo's down on Broadway, several
things from setting by a pound, solo stuff, which is
which is great because you know, my last my last
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couple of solo things did very well in the charts
over here and in Germany. They tend to do very
well in those in those areas. So it's a it's
it's a three hour show. We take a twenty minute interval.
But it's been very very well received both in Europe
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and Scandinavia and Japan. These all the places that we've
played with this, and now, of course we'll be coming over.
We're doing a seven week tour which takes in obviously
the State's.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Canada, and and then you know, later next year I'll be.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Doing some South American stuff. And I stayed pretty busy
and I'm trying to finish it out in the middle
of all that.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
But that's going very well. It sounds better than ever,
he said immodestly.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
But hey, you know, I'm very as I say, I'm
very excited about it, and it does sound really really
really good.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Very busy indeed, and you know, I want to mention
this is we broadcast live on the West Coast November
thirteenth and fourteenth, twenty twenty five. You're coming to La
right at the ORPHM. Is that how it's pronounced? Twitter?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Talk a little bit about your current bandmates, sure.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yeah, Well Nick Vivigilio is going to be joining us
for that, so I'm looking forward to him being on
drums on that. We have Jonas Rangold on bass, so
that's the rhythm section. There's Swedish American nad Sylvan, who
sings basically the genesis stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Them. There of course is.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Rob Townsend who is basically brath woodwind and extra keyboards
and various things.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And there's Roger King.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Who he's playing keyboards with us. And I think that's
I think that's the entire band. We've been through some
personnel switches, you know. The the drum Store has been
this sort of revolving door.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
For a while.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
We've had three different drummers. We've had Craig Bundel, who's
fantastic on on the on the on the album that
we're talking about, the lambstands.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Up World out All.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
I've also been working with Felix Lehman, who is a
fantastic German drummer. He'll be working with us next year
and it's going to be nick to Virgilio in the States.
It will be uh the second time that I'll be
working with him live and looking forward to that. I've
recorded with him before and he's absolutely wonderful. Of course,
he plays with Big Big Train amongst others these days,
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and he is a great, a great, great professional, great drummer,
great singer. I've seen him with circ de Sole of
all things, and yeah, it's it's it's mighty.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Stuff, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
And I see you doing the cruise again in twenty
twenty six as well.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
That's right, Yes, that'll be with with slightly adjusted loan up.
It'll be Lally Lasson by then. On people's absolutely virtuoso.
Looking forward to working with him next year. But it's great.
You know, I'm working with all sorts of people from
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all around the world. I tend to think of my
band as the kind of United Nations in a decoupling world. Yeah,
we seem to be, you know, featuring quite a few
Swedish players, and so we've got Swedish, German, English, blah
blah blah blah. Rob lives in Denmark these days, so
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he's a kind of honorary Dane. Really he's switching to
Danish citizenship. As I say, it's a kind of touring
United Nations.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I mean, this was fantastic, Steve. Is really an honor
to hear your voice, and you know, I wish best
of luck to you in the band and thank you
for coming on. It was really an honor.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Take care of yourself, all the best, all the best.
Hackettsongs dot Com is the website the legendary genesis guitarist
Steve Hackett. Until next week, Happy collecting to all
Card King here right come helloup, music fans, music collectors,
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(00:34):
morning on a program this morning. I welcome in one
of the legends of progressive rock. He was the lead
guitarist with Genesis as part of their classic lineup that
produced acclaimed albums such as Selling England by the Pound,
a favorite of John Lennon and so many others. I
welcome in guitarists and Rock and Roll Hall of Famer
Steve Hackett, Steve honor to have you.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh lovely to talk to you guys.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
How are you doing good?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And you know? So much to talk about Steve, your
new release and just a tremendous music career. Let's begin
with current news. The Lamp stands up live at the
Royal Albert Hall, which is now officially released. What can
you tell us all about this new release?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Well, it was at the end of last year we
recorded it and it was an amazing gig in London.
We had some special guests. It went to the top
of the charts over here in the UK, which is
which is great. It's it's it's amazing that lamb Liight's
Down seems to be very much in the news because
there's going to be a new ATMOS mix of it
(01:39):
and a re release and a box set and all
that which is coming up very soon. From the original.
But you know, I've been out there playing this stuff
now for quite a few months. Not not the entire album,
because there wouldn't be any time for anything else, but
I do nine songs from the original Lambeys Down on Broadway,
plus a lot of other things. You mentioned Setting England
(02:02):
by the Pounds, so there's there's at least three tracks
from Setting England and that always goes down very well.
Dancing with the Moonlit Night Cinema show Firth fifth, he's
firm fan favorites, so I like to cover both those albums.
Plus there's rooms for other stuff as well, some solo
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stuff and various things, a little bit of stuff from
Trick of the Tale from nineteen seventy six, so it's
an amazing band and the album has done amazingly well,
and we're going to be touring very soon. In a
couple of weeks, we're going to be over to the
States and really looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
And Steve, you just completed your European tour? Am I
right on that?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
That's right? Yes, we have.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yeah, yeah, we've been touring various places. Just came back
from Italy. There's a lot of stuff there, very interesting.
The Italians go nuts. Ever since Fox Trot was early
nineteen seventy two, it's that John Lennon period where he
picked up on the band and started say nice things
about us. In other words, he said most famously that
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he thought that Genesis were true sons of the Beatles,
true sons of Well, he was ten years older than me,
So I don't know about being an actual son of
John Lennon. That's not quite biologically possible, but certainly take
on the mantle of the glorious work that they did,
and I'll accept the compliment for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I mean, that is unbelievable. And you know, I have
a little clip of one of your favorites, a lily
White Lilith that's released all over online. I want to
play a little bit of that. I'm going to give
the audience a little tease of the Great Steve Hackett.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Sure thing, let's hear it now, it's.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Quite be a same s the through the bow, he said,
if that was the food she love pat, I could
tell you the tree that was bolding back the mail
face and a male skin.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
By shot Lily white head, she don't be take me
to the tunnel nightly whe.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
She don't look any out, began ring on, began, did
you say that we fel the wait?
Speaker 7 (04:46):
Please?
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Is bo so wear.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
So?
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Following into trade, she said, the coming from your fount
of three of thirty and she sat down on the.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
Cost come to many White. She want to take it
to the tunnel of mom Renny White.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
She got to take you at.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
Spa and my dogs.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
I have to prase face moll dear how Godness says,
because you're growing south growing there? What does she look.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
To the room and there it.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Is Lily White, Lilith Genesis. The Great Steve Hackett is
with us this morning. I mean, you guys sound great, Steve.
It's unbelievable. Forty to fifty years later, you sound amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah, I was thinking it sounded pretty good and I'm
going to turn up pretty glud here, so it's distorting
my device to god knows what. But it sounds lovely
hearing it served up on the radio with all that
extra compression. And so I always loved the sound of
radio ever since we first started going over years and
(07:07):
years ago, of course half.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
A century ago.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
You know, things always sounded great when they were super
compressed on on FM. So you know, yeah, I mean
it's great, isn't it. You know, I grew up in
the era of mono, so never mind all the rest,
you know, five to one and at Moss.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And all the rest.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
You know, it was practically from the era of seventy eight.
So it's great to hear stuff, you know, being made
powerful with technology. It was Chris lord Algi mixed the album.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
Force, which is which is great because he's worked with everybody,
just everybody, and he's done a great job on it,
as he did with the last live one that we had,
which was recorded in Brighton on the South coast in
the UK.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
He did a great on that one.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And Steve, you know, for I have about one hundred
thousand or soul listeners. Where can they all pick up
your current new release?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Where can they pick it up?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Well, you know that's interesting, isn't it. How do I
explain that? Well, I guess you know, they'll they'll get
that from info. Hacket Songs is the best thing. And
you know we have we have a web store. We
also when we're touring, we also carry albums.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
So we do we do sell.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Like that because you know, record shops are a bit
of a known these days. Unless your area has something
that I don't know about. It's you know, that seems
to be a thing of the past. I lament that,
as I'm sure many of your listeners do. The idea
of going in and browsing seems to be something of
(08:54):
the past. But then when I see the resurgence in
interest in in vinyl, then hey, maybe at some point
there's going to be a resurgence of interest in actually
going out and buying a record somewhere. It's it's a
very strange thing. These things are very cyclic, it seems
to me. But I know that not everybody wants to
(09:15):
subscribe to Spotify and not own something and rent it.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Personally, I want to I want to own something.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
But hey, if that call me old fashioned if you will,
but I like to own stuff, whether it's a DVD
or Blu ray. And of course, yeah, I mean there
is a blue Blu Ray in the package, so you
get that, you get the CD, all of that.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
And some of my.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Band members accused me of being out of the arc
because I like CDs, but hey, that's the way I
like it.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I like to listen on CD.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I like full bandwidth CD and ray.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah sounds great to me.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Well, yeah, let's repeat the website again, hacketsongs dot com.
You can check out the website and you have so
much information, so much information, let's talk about There's also
more news that's been currently released, Steve, is that your
band is celebrating five decades of the legendary Genesis concept
album The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, And you know,
(10:18):
I have to thank you for keeping this ultimate classic
Genesis going on with all the work that in the
band are doing. So yeah. Now, when you look back
at those early seventies years with Genesis, Steve, did you
feel at the time playing in the band that you
were witnessing the birth of what became a super group.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It's a very strange thing, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
You know, I mean, my ambitions were much more than that.
The idea is that when you're a kid, you're staring
at shop windows, at guitars and apps that you can't afford,
and then you get you finally get your first Gibson
or whatever it is, and then oh.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Oh, wouldn't it be great to help a band that
I can can use this in?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
And then you get a band, and then of course
ambitions go up all the time you start in clubs
and colleges and all the rest.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
If you're lucky.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Certainly we did in those days, and the band it
far exceeded my expectations, and I'm very pleased to say
that it's you know, joined the Rock and Roll Hall
of Fame, amongst other things, and.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
John Lennon said nice things about us, so that's great.
I mean, I don't distance myself.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
From whatever the band did back in the day and
all the subsequent things you know that I've done with
various bands that I've fronted myself.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
So I enjoyed that.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I enjoyed the GDR period that I had post Genesis,
A lot of stuff that I'm very grateful for very
thankful for to have had a very very loyal audience.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And it's great. I mean, music is still what fires
me up. What can I tell you?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
That's that's really it. I get excited by it every day.
I get excited by doing new stuff. And I'm working
on a new one of course, because that's what I do.
I do that rather than take long extended holidays, I
tend to do, you know, maybe a weekend away, a weekend.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
In Venice, because the British weather is a.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Thunderstorm was raging just five minutes before and lightning just
before we started talking. So if it kicks off again,
you might hear something explosive that will not be a
compressed snare drum.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
It will be stopping crashing through the roof.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
You know, Steve, I've been reading a lot about the
early Genesis, you know, because I'm learning about the early
years of Genesis. I know the eighties and ninety you know,
the eighties and nineties. But you know what's ironic to me,
and I don't know if I'm right insane is but
you know, you know that phase with you and Gabriel,
the class sick lineup was really short lived. There was
(13:02):
only what five years, because Gabriel quitted seventy five, you
left at seventy seven. It was really short lived, but
you guys left that mark.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Well, you know, I think it's there are bands that
are short lived. Obviously, the band carried on. It was
formed at school originally, and carried on after Gabriel and
I left.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
But somehow, you know, you never really leave the music.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
I choose to honor the music amongst other things, because
you know, many of those songs were so great, and
so I loved playing it then and I love playing
it now.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Now. Now seventy seven, you depart Genesis, and I'm assuming,
I'm assuming you wanted to do your own thing. Did
you want to be your own boss? Would that be
fair to say?
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Well, I think you know, when you're in a band,
it can be tricky because you kind of need everyone's
permission in order to be able to recall anything, let
alone do something solo. And I started doing solo stuff
and it was seen as divisive and contentious, even though
there were guys in the band that helped me to
(14:12):
do it my first solo effort. But you know, it's
very hard to switch off the tap once you've become.
It's a bit like running a ship. Once you've been
captain of it, it's very hard to go back to
being a mere member of the crew and asking for permission.
So it's the downside of bands, of course, asked Jehge Harrison.
(14:34):
But hey, you know, you come to great greatness with
each other's help, and then after that you search for,
you know, something deep and personal inside yourself because you
want to test what you can do yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And work with other people.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
I think it's very important not to just work with
one team for the rest of your life, but to
be able to work with music that will be equally exciting,
even though the team may change.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
So I hope that the spirit remains. That's my main point.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, so you when you left A seventy seven Darryl Sturmer,
he takes over right and he plays on those commercially
successful songs in the Air to Night, et cetera. Do
you have any thoughts opinions on Sturmer's playing style, like
the comparison between you know, how you would play a
(15:29):
tune rather versus how Sturmer would play it too.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, well, you know, it's the same thing.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
When I've listened to fleet with Mac when you've got
Lindsey Buckingham playing Peter Green's guitar parts at times. Of course,
you know, a great band is always a great band,
and and Darryl's a great player and a very sweet guy.
So you know, I wished him all the success in
(15:57):
the world working with with with Genesis, so he's on
all those live things, and of course on Phil's stuff,
and Phil of course, you know, Phil Collins did amazingly
well as as a solo performer, you know, both in
the band and as a solo act. So these guys
(16:22):
haven't exactly been idle over over time.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Right, And you know, I read some comparisons, but a
lot of people all over the internet say that Steve
Hackett singlely handedly created the sweet picking and the two
handed tapping. I mean, that's something that Eddie the Great
Eddie van Halen admired. He was a big fan of yours,
Eddie van Aleen.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, well, you know, like.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Eddie was, was a great player. And it's it's great
when you get a player that you admire yourself saying
nice things about you. So it's a technique that that
was kind of added on a plate to shredders. It's
a way of playing very, very fast, and so I'm
(17:09):
pleased that I've kind of added to the glossary of
terms that schwdders can use.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, and I have a few minutes left with you.
I want to get this in Steve at the time,
I know you went on and had a fascinating solo career.
You mentioned GTR and so much more when you left Genesis.
Now out of curiosity, when you first left in seventy seven,
did you have any other bands wanting you to join them?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Well, over time, I've had offers from extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Bands.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I mean I had an offer from Yes at one point,
and I thought that would look really good on my CV.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
You know, played guitar with Genesis and with Yes.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
But in a way, I think to be your own man,
I was thinking, funny enough, I was just watching a
Jeff Beck video today and thinking about the Great Man
and his passing, and and I'm thinking that you know
that he had offers from the Stones to join and
and all this kind of stuff, And you think, well,
(18:13):
that's great. You know, that's for the for the CV.
But on the other hand, if you want to do
something astounding I suspect that, you know, to do it
within a group framework is possibly not not the best
way to gain everyone's long term respect, if you know
(18:35):
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Right right now, your relationship with Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins,
uh uh, you guys keep in touch. I mean, it's
a shame, it's tragic what's going on with Phil.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yes, Uh, I'm.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Gonna I'm going to be seeing them in in a
few days and we're going to be doing some listening
to some stuff together. So I'm certainly looking forward to that.
I'm hoping that Phil's going to be there. Yeah, I
have great love for the guys.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I think they were.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
They were all terrific, you know, both together and individually.
I mean, there were no passengers in that in that band.
They're all world class and I love them to bits.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
And you know, since I have you on Steve, I
got to mention you mentioned GTR. When you go back
to the beginning of GTR, how did that concept to
your mind to create this band?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Well, funnily enough, Brian Lane, who was yes as a
manager and also asious manager, was a near neighbor of
mine when I was run about seventy seven by the
time i'd left a Genesis, I just left and I
would bump into him in the street, and I guess
it really came out of the conversation where he said, oh,
(19:57):
you know, Steve Howard not doing anything at the moment,
and the idea came up, well, perhaps two guitarists.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Forming a band, and.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Yeah, you know, it did very well and we had
a hit single, but when.
Speaker 9 (20:14):
The Heart Rules the Mind and an album that did
fabulously well on that side of pond, and I did
a re record funnily enough with Steve Rothery of When
the Heart Rules the Mind.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I might just stick it on.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
The next the next album, possibly as a as a
if not as a front runner, but maybe as a
as a as a bonus track.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
But that sounds great that the song always blew me away.
I always loved the song, and I loved doing the
re record of it because that sounds really amazing.
Speaker 10 (20:48):
Even though it was a sort of mid eighties thing,
there's still the power of the song which has got
that kind of mixture of what I was looking for,
which was cross between what would it be like if
Genesis and Yes got together and you had something?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
And I think we hit something at that point, and
it also it also was a hit, so I've got
nothing to be ashamed of it.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
No, absolutely not. And you know I'm going through your
website news and blogs. I mean, we could do a
whole show just on your blogs. I see that you're
starting the North American tour. What can you tell us
about that?
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Well, we'll be doing pretty much the same set, but
what we're going to do is to leave out a
couple of a couple of tracks and we're going to
do the whole of Suppers ready from Foxtrot. So you know,
that's a firm favorite. It gets voted top of the
Pops for progressive stuff all the time, and so I
(21:46):
do that, and of course it's nearly half an hour long.
It's a great long piece, but it leaves us room
to do nine tracks from Landmo's down on Broadway, several
things from setting by a pound, solo stuff, which is
which is great because you know, my last my last
(22:06):
couple of solo things did very well in the charts
over here and in Germany. They tend to do very
well in those in those areas. So it's a it's
it's a three hour show. We take a twenty minute interval.
But it's been very very well received both in Europe
(22:27):
and Scandinavia and Japan. These all the places that we've
played with this, and now, of course we'll be coming over.
We're doing a seven week tour which takes in obviously
the State's.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Canada, and and then you know, later next year I'll be.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Doing some South American stuff. And I stayed pretty busy
and I'm trying to finish it out in the middle
of all that.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
But that's going very well. It sounds better than ever,
he said immodestly.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
But hey, you know, I'm very as I say, I'm
very excited about it, and it does sound really really
really good.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Very busy indeed, and you know, I want to mention
this is we broadcast live on the West Coast November
thirteenth and fourteenth, twenty twenty five. You're coming to La
right at the ORPHM. Is that how it's pronounced? Twitter?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Talk a little bit about your current bandmates, sure.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yeah, Well Nick Vivigilio is going to be joining us
for that, so I'm looking forward to him being on
drums on that. We have Jonas Rangold on bass, so
that's the rhythm section. There's Swedish American nad Sylvan, who
sings basically the genesis stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Them. There of course is.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Rob Townsend who is basically brath woodwind and extra keyboards
and various things.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And there's Roger King.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Who he's playing keyboards with us. And I think that's
I think that's the entire band. We've been through some
personnel switches, you know. The the drum Store has been
this sort of revolving door.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
For a while.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
We've had three different drummers. We've had Craig Bundel, who's
fantastic on on the on the on the album that
we're talking about, the lambstands.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Up World out All.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
I've also been working with Felix Lehman, who is a
fantastic German drummer. He'll be working with us next year
and it's going to be nick to Virgilio in the States.
It will be uh the second time that I'll be
working with him live and looking forward to that. I've
recorded with him before and he's absolutely wonderful. Of course,
he plays with Big Big Train amongst others these days,
(24:46):
and he is a great, a great, great professional, great drummer,
great singer. I've seen him with circ de Sole of
all things, and yeah, it's it's it's mighty.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Stuff, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
And I see you doing the cruise again in twenty
twenty six as well.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
That's right, Yes, that'll be with with slightly adjusted loan up.
It'll be Lally Lasson by then. On people's absolutely virtuoso.
Looking forward to working with him next year. But it's great.
You know, I'm working with all sorts of people from
(25:26):
all around the world. I tend to think of my
band as the kind of United Nations in a decoupling world. Yeah,
we seem to be, you know, featuring quite a few
Swedish players, and so we've got Swedish, German, English, blah
blah blah blah. Rob lives in Denmark these days, so
(25:48):
he's a kind of honorary Dane. Really he's switching to
Danish citizenship. As I say, it's a kind of touring
United Nations.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I mean, this was fantastic, Steve. Is really an honor
to hear your voice, and you know, I wish best
of luck to you in the band and thank you
for coming on. It was really an honor.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Take care of yourself, all the best, all the best.
Hackettsongs dot Com is the website the legendary genesis guitarist
Steve Hackett. Until next week, Happy collecting to all
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