coaches office podcast with guest former NFL star Jason Dunn

The coaches welcome former Harrodsburg High star, EKU All-American and NFL star Jason Dunn

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Coach David Buchanan coach Chuck Smith, two legendary high school
football coaches. This is the Coach's Office, a behind the

(00:33):
scenes look at Kentucky high school football.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Welcome to the Coach's Office, behind the scenes with Chuck
Smith and David Buchanan. This is off season three, episode two.
This is going to be our Super Bowl episode. Okay,
I'm Chuck Smith. I'm joined by co host David Buchanan,
Podcast editor Flashmack Street, teller Mike Yoakam. Our YouTube version

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Speaker 3 (01:13):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
As far as our show for tonight goes, it's the
Super Bowl episode, it will will feature former Kansas City
chief former Philadelphia Eagle, former Eastern Kentucky University, and former
Harrisburg High School star Jason Dunn. This is going to
be a great show, you know. It's it's we couldn't

(01:36):
have We couldn't have put this script the better, any
better because Jason not only played for the Kansas City Chiefs,
but he played for the Philadelphia Eagles, and those are
the two Super Bowl teams, so you know, it just
it just unfolded perfectly for us. It's a it's it's
a great setup. We're gonna bring Jason one on here
just shortly. Also on this episode, we're going to David

(02:00):
and I will pick our Super Bowl picks. I'm gonna
wait till after I hear Jason talk so I get
the insight of who he thinks will possibly win this.
I got a pretty good idea because I can tell
by the hat he's wearing. But we'll get to that
in just a little bit. And then at the end,
we're going to do a little tribute to Philip Haywood.

(02:22):
You know, Dave and I got a story each that
with our relationship with Philip that will share. First of all,
let me tell you a little bit about Jason and
his background before we bring him on. As I said,
he played for Harrisburg High School in Kentucky. That school
no longer exists, it's it merged and soolidated with Mercer County,

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but back in the day they were a powerhouse. He
played at Eastern Kentucky University. He was drafted in the
second round, the fifty fourth person taken in the nineteen
ninety six draft and he was taken by the Philadelphia Eagles.
He stayed there for three seasons. Then I think he
set out the ninety nine season with a knee injury,

(03:06):
and then he was picked up by the Kansas City Chiefs,
where he finished his NFL career eight seasons into that.
His post NFL career, he gave back to the sport.
He coached a little bit at Lafayette High School, and
then he spent maybe ten seasons at Kentucky State University

(03:28):
coaching and helping them coach there. He's in the Kentucky
Pro Football Hall of Fame, he's in the Eastern Kentucky
University Hall of Fame, and he is part of his
Chief Concerns podcast, and he'll tell us a little bit
about that as we get through the podcast. We appreciate

(03:49):
Jason taking the time to join us tonight, David, you
want to bring him on, I do.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
And I'm thinking back to when I met Jason, or
at least the encounter I remember the most was he
had just been recognized as a hog at our Titan
game and I met him at that gate where we
would go off and on the field, and he may
not even remember it, but I remember meeting him and
two things.

Speaker 5 (04:16):
Incredibly nice.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Was great to meet him, and I thought, this is
the biggest man I have ever seen in my life.
And hey, it's all muscle. He is a big guy,
but couldn't have been nicer. And you know, Jason, uh
And we'll talk a little bit more about this. It's
been sort of tough navigating this merger. And well, I

(04:41):
tell you what for you to come back and be
a hog that night, to be part of our program
that was so big for us. And I will be
forever grateful for that effort. And so again a thank
you so much for doing this. We really appreciate it
and it's very much an honor. So thank you, Jason.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Well appreciate you, gentlemen for half of me. You know, y'all,
y'all do a wonderful job, y'all titans and giants in
the community and have been for quite some time. And
so even when I was in I was in the NFL,
I would hear a lot of stories, of course, of
all the winning that Bull County was doing and Harrisburg
all the changes that was being made, and it kind

(05:22):
of shocked me because when I came back when I
actually retired from the NFL, I went into coaching. I
went up to Lafayette, and so they were speaking about
Bull County. Now, listen, don't don't take my words as
as something negative. We were we were going to play
Bull County. Of course. I was just like, listen, we
used to have Bull County. They used to be door
mats everybody used to get on my homecoming and you know,

(05:43):
and I'm telling the team, and so the coaches are
kind of like, hey, Jason, like, Bull Counties done won
like five state championship year.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Ow.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
I'm like what. I'm like, They're like yeah. And so
when I heard Chuck was obviously was left there. I'm like, Okay,
now it makes a lot of sense. It makes a
lot of sense. And so, uh, it's you know, being
amongst you guys and having this conversation is really an
honor to me. Uh, just because of the things that
y'all done, like I said before, in the community, what

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you meant to a lot of the young men just
come through just that area and football wise, but also
to just the impact that y'all been able to make.
And I just want to just give y'all that that
recognition for what y'all been able to do. Man, and
thank you Genemen for having me tonight too as well.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Appreciate it. Jason, let me start it off right here.
My first question to you is, you know, the social
media has generated much discussion about the referees being biased
towards the chiefs. You know, some even go beyond bias
and say it's you know, it's a conspiracy to keep
or to protect Patrick Macomes. You know, if what do

(06:51):
you think of all that? Do you think there's any
truth to that or what?

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Well, I'll tell you what I had on my show.
I had Jim Deopolis on my show last night, well
known NFL officiated official for a number of years. He
was officiated I think for like twenty five years. Then
he was behind the scenes doing all it like as
far as braiding the coat or officials and whatnot. And
I asked him exact same thing. He was just like,

(07:18):
you know what, Jason, He said, there's nothing there. He said, Man,
the conspiracy theories of everybody's sitting there saying that we're
rigging it for the canstity chiefs or we're protecting quarterbacks.
He said, it's just not true. It's just not true.
And so one things he always wanted to make playing
and assertive was, listen, we got a job to do,

(07:40):
and so we want to be employed. So if we
don't do our job, we get canned. We get fired
just like everybody else, if we don't do our job correctly.
He said, Now, look, we're all human, we are, and
so sometimes you make mistakes. But we do go to
the booth, we do go for the replays so we
can get everything right. And so I told to him, said, listen,

(08:00):
I det what you are before. I'm still mad at
a holding call that y'all called against me a long
time ago. I'm not sure who threw it on me,
I said, but I said, that was one of my
greatest blocks I ever made. I could just see the
flag throat going over across my head, I said. But
the crazy part is y'all probably didn't call me on
about a hundred of the other ones. I probably actually did,

(08:23):
you know. And so but he Jim was, he was.
He just really said that, you know, they really try
to get the costs right, they really do. And so
some of these conspiracy theorists obviously comes out, and he
said that part of The problem is when the Kancity
Chiefs and any team is winning a lot, obviously gonna

(08:44):
have controversy, right, Coaches, y'all know this, and so sometimes
people come up with all different excuses. That's what it is,
excuses and why people are winning. But I said, man,
we can't miss the moment of what's actually happening here. Okay,
the Kansasity Chiefs actually have a chance to write in
the history boss the legacy of being one of the

(09:06):
greatest teams to ever play, becoming the only team to
ever repeat for a Super Bowl in the history of
the game. I said, I don't want us to miss
that because we're trying to grab conspiracy theories over here
on why these things are happening. And I said, any play,
and we know this, there could be a flag, throne

(09:29):
holding or anything. All the time. It just happens. But
they do try to get it right, and so I
don't think there's anything there. Man. People are just upset,
That's what it is, more so anything else.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I agree with you, I do. I think the more
you win, the more people look to think that it's
not you know, that there's something wrong, And that's basically
I think what's happening here?

Speaker 4 (09:54):
Yeah, well you know, and hey the I So the
other somewhat piece was so social media and the Chiefs. Okay,
Taylor Swift, how much has she increased the viewership and
following of not only the Chiefs but the entire NFL,
And how will her presence impact the Super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Well, I'll tell you what. She has increased viewership and
more fans exponentially. She really has.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
And if you're sitting there saying you have the biggest
pop star, gay or artist that's out here, she's dating
Travis Kelsey, which is NFL royalty at this moment, who's
just having a one heck of a run right now
just in his career as going down as one of
the greatest titands ever played the game. That's just a
great combination. It's good for business. And so now what

(10:50):
we've done is we've been able to adopt a lot
of the swift Bees that are following her. They have
I think increased man, Chuck David, I think somewhere they
said like twenty four percent of more fans of women
and young girls that have starting to watch the NFL
because of that has generated somewhere up to like thirty

(11:10):
three million dollars alone just in her presence. And so listen,
the NFL is always about business. This is a business
first more than anything else. Y'all know this, and so
they felt like, this is great business. While we want
to show her in the in the you know, the
boxes and you know, the nice seats and let her

(11:31):
come into the stadium because she's a she's an icon,
she's a world icon. And so I think it's just
it's a great thing. But look, these are two young
people that enjoy each other, that having fun, and I'm
off for it. I think they do it a great
job of it. People get tired of seeing her, but
for me, hey, look it works, it absolutely works.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Hey, but I'm going to tell you, I never thought
i'd hear Jason Dunn say the word swifties, but hey,
there we are. And uh and I like what you said.
And uh, I mean, I think I think it's been
a neat side note that's gotten. I mean, I know,
I think my daughter, my wife, my daughter in law,
I think they're more interested now in watching watching the

(12:14):
NFL than uh, you know, in the past.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
And it's been pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
So that's where it is. In my family, my wife
and my daughter and all my granddaughters. They they'll watch
if she's on.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Well, they said, has brought families together. It really has.
So Now before where you you know, your daughters and
everybody else is out in the kitchen or somewhere else
doing other things. Hey, it's a swip of the game,
right and what's going on out here? And so everybody
kind of gets into it. But that gives us the
opportunity as coaches and his fans and his players to
teach them a little bit about the game. Right, Well,

(12:49):
what's going on over here? And so my wife, who
now I'm telling you guys, she's she knows how to
recover two cover three, you know, she knows Zoe reed
or what. She knows it all. And I'm just like,
how you She's like, I listened to you. And so
when you're sitting over here and you're yelling at the TV,

(13:10):
why guy to get a block or what you're looking
at them? I can see it. I could tell see
the two high safeties. I can see them. I'm like, wow,
you know good? Yeah it is it is so.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Jason, I got the next question for you. I want
to go back to the Harrisburg days because this has
always fascinated me, it really has. I think it's unbelievable.
But Harrisburg High School, which if anybody remembers the old guys,
remember there was a small high school. I don't know
how many students, two hundred and fifty students, I don't remember.
It wasn't very many, but it produced you know, three

(13:46):
NFL players that I know of him at such a
small school. You know, you know, I know it was you,
Craig Yese played, Dennis Johnson played.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I think that was the only three that played in
the n FAIL.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Uh, Well you had then Derek played up in Cincinnati Bengals,
and also uh, Julius Yeast played with the Yeah, he
played with the Jacksonville Jauars.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Okay, I thought I couldn't. I couldn't remember if Julius
had or not. But even even after even other than that,
you had several others, you know that played major college football,
like Henry Parks, like Venus Mukes, like uh Donald Wayne Smith.
I mean, unbelievable talent came out of that small school.

(14:32):
And what do you think, well, I mean, what's your
what's your view on that? You know, what you.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Well, I think a lot of it had to do with,
you know, the the environment that coach Johnson Foster. He
fostered in an environment of competition, a challenging one another
to be better than what we were, uh, but also
too to make everybody else around you better. And so
for us, it was never about failing. It was always

(15:02):
about being the best. It was always about winning. And
so he did a tremendous job of doing those things.
As far as like teaching guys, hey, look, we got
to beat do this thing together. We can't get beat
with the greatest team out there. And we believed it.
We went out there, we just absolutely believed it. But
also to Chuck, I had to say that I think
a lot of it And you said a lot of names, right,

(15:24):
you were saying Bo Yeast, and I think the Yeast
family and of course the Dune family, the Johnson family.
So we came from families that already had athletes, that
already established themselves as guys that went on to bigger things,
you know, in the sports world. And so I know,
I'm the youngest side of you know, really fourteen, and

(15:45):
my brothers played college ball, had a chance to play
in the league and they were good ball players. So
that was kind of my standard. My standard was always that,
and so I think a lot of it had to
do also too with families that had already been a
stabf was, like I said, bo yeast, Craig knew that.
Coach Johnson and I obvious see his two sons and

(16:06):
you know George, I mean you just name it. So
that was a lot of it, I think because coach
Kid just took those coach kids on. Coach Johnson took
those families, those guys out of it and just nurtured
it even more. Yeah, he did, so, Yeah, I think
it's what it was.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah. I remember my first my first experience with Harrisburg,
even before I got the boil. I was telling David
about this and it was you and I was I
was in Campbellsville and we came over to play you all.
I don't remember if it was a playoff game or
if it was just a regular season game, but I
remember out there on the field and you were playing

(16:44):
like middle linebacker. Was you remember like in the forties,
like forty eight or something forty seven, yeah, forty seventh,
and and you were like six ' six log run fast,
I mean, and then I'm satting over, I'm looking at
those assistant coach and I'm saying, what the hell have
we gotten into? I said, Lord, I said, I'm gonna

(17:05):
have to ask this five ten, one hundred and eighty
five pound offensive lineman to block him. How's that gonna go?

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Hey, I was going to tell you this too.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
So last night's Teffany and I go out to eating
in Herritsburg down at the Pizza Pub and in watch
j Parks and I got to visit with Jay a
little bit, and that was funny. J's son played quarterback
at Woodford for Dennis. We got to visit and talk
a little bit about that. But it is, you know,
we're naming off all these names. Well, I mean, Jay

(17:44):
was a scholarship guy at UK and a lot of
a lot of a lot of a lot of great
players up.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
A lot of great players, Jason.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Hey, so the next the next one, man, You played
for two iconic legendary coaches in Ray Rhodes and Dick
for mill and so I'm just wondering what did you
take from their coaching styles?

Speaker 5 (18:04):
How are they similar? How are they different?

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Well? So, uh, you know, in the NFL for sure,
but I don't want to miss out on the ones.
Like I said, Roy Kidd playing for him, but e
ku one of the winning this coaches of all time
in college history. And obviously we're talking about coach Johnson.
I was Johnson and Harrisburg. But Ray Rhodes and Dick
Formell to me were men that that led guys. And

(18:33):
I think because Ray had played in the league for
a long time, he kind of understood where guys were,
he understood what made us tick, and so he was
a player's coach and he would just keep it. He'll
keep it to you straight. He had demands for you,
what they had to do, what he wanted you to do.
And Ray had some more probably some of the greatest
speeches I have ever heard in a locker room to

(18:56):
just get you going ready to just run through a
brick wall. And it was like always off the top
of the head. He would just come with it that
I could just remember them to today. You know, we
all had it like just like you know, remember speeches
that just resonated with us, and Ray had a great
job of doing that. But Ray also had a really

(19:16):
interesting knack about accountability. I remember, like toward the end
when when we weren't doing so well this before, he
had just gotten fired and he said, I sat down
with him. We were just at a restaurant. He was like, hey, Jason,
he said, you know, I probably get fired. He said,
but I'll take it. I'll be the guy, I'll go
it out. I'll take it on my chin. I'll be

(19:37):
the scapegoad. I had no problem doing that. And that
taught me a lot about what it means to be
a leader in accountability because he didn't want to put
it off on anybody else. It's easy to put it
on your coordinator and your you know they're not doing
their job, and you know the janitor is not cleaning
the locker room like you should, right, But for Ray,
it was always on him and his shoulders. So he

(19:58):
taught me a lot about accountabilit for Coach for Meal.
Coach for Meal, one of the greatest men I know.
He just taught me a lot about guidance and about people,
about loving people and loving players and like really really
caring about the guys that's in the locker room, winning,
the coaches and everybody. And he tells a story. He

(20:21):
told the story like when he first got up at
the Philadelphia started coaching. He was kind of like the
guy that stayed there in the in you know the
coach's you know, film room until three or four o'clock
in the morning, sleeping on couches, wake back up, do
it all over again. And so he kind of missed
his family through all of that. And so when he
got to Kansas City, he made it plain to everybody

(20:42):
else that this was a family atmosphere and I want
the coaches out of here by six o'clock. And that
was I've never seen that before. He made sure he said, look,
I don't want coaches or players and nobody in the here.
I want you home, get your job done, get your
work done. I want you out of here. And so
he just he was just a genuine, genuine person. We

(21:04):
would go to his house and go eat. He would
bring every position coach over that have dinner, have wine,
sit down. Carol will cook the food, and we would
just chat it up, man, like we're doing right now.
And so he's one of the guys. He would still
call a check on me, see how I'm doing. It's
always good to see him. He gave me one of
the greatest compliments that I've ever heard. And I'll never

(21:24):
forget this, and I'm telling you how it does, how
it changes people. But I remember coming into a meeting
one morning, and before I got into the room, Coach
stops me at the door. He said, Jason, he said,
you know, it's only certain people that you got to
see every day to make it day great. He said, man,
you do that for me, was Coach, thank you, and

(21:46):
those things like that, just it stays with you. And
so it's like he feels about his players. And y'all
might think I'm crazy, but Coach would come in the
meetings and he'll start tearing up and crying. And so
what he'll show you this is he has a different
perspective about life, different perspective about what this game of
football gave you, because it was more than just extra's

(22:07):
nose and wins and losses. It was about building relationships.
It's about building people up. So I learned a lot
from him as far as myself going into being coaching,
and the same thing with Gray Rhoads, trying to resonate
with my guys that I'm coaching, but also to let
them know how much I care about them.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
So I listened to Jason, I listened to one of
your podcasts, and I absolutely love the Will the Man
and the Willburrow story that you told about Dick for Meal.
I mean, it is awesome. And you know, the jest
of it is, you know, do you you know, do
you really believe? Do you believe enough to get in

(22:45):
to be all in on on get in that Will Burrow?
It was it was a great have you ever heard
of David?

Speaker 5 (22:50):
Yes, yeah, it's a great story.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is a great I agree.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
All right, Jason, I'll go ahead.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I'm sorry I was gonna say. And you know, like
you said, the premises story is that are you all in?
Are you all bought in? Right? It's easy to say
those things, right, It's easy to go out there with
the sound bite said yeah, I'm bought in. I'm just
It's another thing to actually get into Wilburrow. It's another
thing to actually get in and immerse yourself to say
this is what we're doing, we're winning, I'm all bought in.

(23:22):
Get all the noise and stuff out here, I am
with you. And so it was a great story. And
now things like that Man David and uh and and
and uh, you know, Chuck, we just that's as things
thing that I remember. Those things I remember. Man, I've
been immensely blessed with some really really great people and

(23:42):
coaches around me throughout my entire career.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, it's great. That would fire me up. I know that, Jason.
Here's my story. Here's my last question for you. Is
I'm gonna put you on the spot. You played for
the Eagles and you played for the Chiefs. Yeah, who
who are you for? And why?

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Let me see?

Speaker 2 (24:03):
I know you're gonna be for the Chiefs because you
got it all over it. But all right, let me
ask you this. Who do you think is gonna win?
And why?

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Okay, let me see, Well, who do I think is
gonna win? I do believe the Cancaity Chiefs is gonna win.
I think as far as man to man, Uh, they
have the greatest team going into the Super Bowl. Comprised
if everybody coaches talent wise, the greatest team individually. You

(24:32):
start looking up across the board, the things they're able
to do on offense, they make you cover every single
blade of grass, especially on defense. Then of course when
they come after you, spack nobly does a great job
of just bring it from all different angles, different things.
He is absolutely brilliant how it casts the game, disguises

(24:53):
them the Blitzes so well. But also too, I don't
want to take away and diminish with the eaglesmen they
to do. They are very very well coached football team
led by Jalen Hurts, who was an incredible talent in itself,
and then Saquon Barkley who has just been having an
incredible season just himself. So it's gonna be a tight

(25:14):
It's gonna be a tight one. It's gonna be a
tight one. But I do have the chiefs because of
Andy Reid and those things. I think that's what makes
the difference is a coaching that these guys give. But
if y'all know this to you won a lot of
different games. Same thing with you, David. When you've been
in places before, when you've learned how to do it,
and guys has just been there, you don't blink in

(25:36):
those moments. You know how to focus up, you know
what it means to be great, and it's a culture.
Those things do matter. So Philly has I think eight
new players on it who has never been this far before.
But when you have guys that have been forged in
that fire, who's won championships. They know exactly what to expect,

(25:56):
they know exactly how you had to deal in certain situations.
So I'm always gonna give the node to to the
Kansas City Chiefs. Man teeth though, that was what cut
my teeth, you know, so.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Right, you know in that d C for the Chiefs,
when he called that corner blitz on that I think
that was the last I mean, it was brilliant and
I think that's the only time they ran at the
entire game. But it was the last play and he
couldn't get that pass off or it barely got the
pass off.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
It was brilliant Hall, Yes, it what's crazy? They still
had a chance to complete it. Isn't that insane? That
was crazy? I mean, And that's the thing between the
coaching and the playing. I mean, every time you watch
a game that involves those two teams and you throw

(26:42):
in the Ravens with that, uh man, you're you're watching
some great football, great coaching and players. So all right,
so a Jason and We're gonna step back from the
big time of the NFL. We're gonna be a couple
of hometown. Here a second, and I want you to
tell me the truth. You can be critical, believe me,

(27:05):
since I came home, and a lot of times it
was my best friends telling me I was screwing up.
So you can let me have it, you know, but
you are a hog One night and I got some criticism.

Speaker 5 (27:16):
For doing the hog dog and the type, and.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
They said I was making it tough for us to
move forward because I was remembering old Harrisburg. You're remember
an old mercer. You shouldn't be doing this. So obviously
I thought it was the thing to do. And I
can give you my reasons why, but I'm not really
interested in that, right. I really want to hear what
you think. I want to hear what do you think

(27:41):
the hog dog and the type? Was it a good
thing or was it a mistake? What's your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
I think it was a beautiful thing. Anytime that you
have a community and you could build bridges as opposed
to dividers, you're going in the right direction. And I
think any time when people or sitting over here telling
you the other the latter, I'm like, you know, you
shouldn't do it this way or separate people. I think

(28:07):
that's just wrong. I think it's about togetherness. Community is
about in football brings that together. We know this one
thing football and sports to do is they bring people
and communities together. And so I think sometimes people get
caught up in their own little silos talking about this
and that. But it is all about togetherness, and if

(28:27):
anybody is talking out against it, I think that they're
on the wrong side of doing things. I really do.
So I just want to commend you, David and doing that.
I want to keep encouraging that everybody should be doing
the same thing because sometimes those voices that's out here,
it's caused the dissension, it's causing divisiveness. We understand that

(28:48):
where their character is, we know who those people are. Right.
I'm a man of faith, and I do believe that
we're talking about loving one another. Okay, loving your neighbor
more than anything else, since we're supposed to do even
in the good Word, it tells us we're supposed to
love our enemies. And so if somebody's tell you how
you're doing this wrong, you're doing that wrong, and tell
them like, look, I got a heart for people being together,

(29:12):
and so I just for me, I think people are
just crazy not to do that. And the thing is, man,
we got to challenge people on those things, especially in
this world today because we're looking at so much divisiveness
and people want to get into their own little, you know,
echo chambers about things. And the crazy part is we're
more similar on a lot of different things that we

(29:34):
are part So where are the peacemakers? Right? We're are
the ones that need to foster those things about community,
about being better because when you have everybody working together,
you just get a better community, You just get better
people that are you know, think of that right?

Speaker 4 (29:53):
So, hey, hey, I appreciate you saying that. And if
you had told me I was wrong it, I mean
I could handled it. I've got a lot of that,
but but I appreciate and really the details you gave
are really in line with why.

Speaker 5 (30:09):
I thought that was so important.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
And you know what, I'm very thankful that we did it.
I may change my mind ten years from now, but
I really don't think I will. I think I'll always
be glad we did it. I really I'll say one
more thing about that is, and I've talked about this.
I said, can you imagine if Harsburg and Mercy County
had gotten together back then we were playing. I'm like,
would we would have ran all through the state of Kentucky,

(30:35):
you know, with the type of talent we had, from
Hainsburg to Mercy County.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
And it's a shame that, you know, some of the
ignorance I call it. It's ignorance, it really is that
kept people apart and looking in a certain way. It's like, man,
y'all just don't quite get it. Y'all just don't quite
get it. That's not how it's supposed to be as people.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
So yeah, yeah, well, good Jay, well and thank you
that that really means a lie to me, because you know,
here's the thing. I'm not a people pleaser. There were
probably two people I wanted to feel like I did
a good job. I wanted my dad and Alvis Johnson. Now,
those two guys carried a lot of weight with me.

(31:16):
And if Alvis Johnson said, hey, Davey, you need to
look at a B and C, I'm gonna look at
a B and C because out of respect for him
and the job that he did. But having said that,
though I do want you to know this, it was
really important to me that we have a program that
the old Harrisburg guys would be proud of that, the
old mercery guys. So you sharing that, I just want

(31:37):
you to know I had a lot of respect for
what you guys did at Harrisburg High. I wanted you
to be proud of the product that was on your field,
and so I didn't want to get into all that,
but I really appreciate what you shared. And Hey, before
before we let you get out of here, please tell
our listeners about your podcast and your super Bowl party

(31:59):
on Saturday, February eight.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
So I'll start first with do a podcast called Chief
Concerns that we do live show Monday, Wednesday and Fridays,
and then of course post game shows with the Chiefs.
We've been picked up on Bleacher Report. You can find
us on YouTube, Apple and Spotify. We have a great
community of people that come out. We call our Chief
Concerns family. A lot of things that we do is

(32:23):
we want to just love on people talk football and
try to get it right. So we try to give
a nice little look behind the curtains, if you will,
on football, having a guy that's played the game, he's
coast the game and just kind of talking about Chiefs.
But We talked a lot of different other things as well,
and so you can find us on those platforms anytime
you'll want to. The water's fine, come on in. We'd

(32:44):
love to have you. You could talk and ask questions
and chat and whatnot. Man, believe me, the doors always open,
y'all always welcome. So for your listeners and stuff here
and for the super Bowl party, we're going to have
one at the Hilton, and it's gonna be on February
the eighth, the day before the Super Bowl. That way,
everybody can kind of go home and enjoy the super

(33:06):
Bowl the way they want to on Super Bowl Day.
But you're gonna have at least twelve to fifteen NFL
football players down at the Hilton. It's gonna be food, drinks,
NFL officials, referees, it's gonna be football challenges, you have games,
you have everything. It's gonna be a great atmosphere. We're

(33:28):
trying to make this the biggest party in Super Bowl
party in the state of Kentucky. And so if you
want a chance to be NFL football players, come to
get autographs, listen about what it means to be in
the Super Bowl, and just be around football. This is
the place for you to be. If you're not there,
if you're not down in new orders for the game,
you are to be up here in Lexington at the

(33:49):
Hilton at three o'clock on Saturday, February eighth.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
Seriously, so thank you. We're gonna get all that out
to our folks too.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
And and you've been a wonderful gas Jason bench excellent
and uh, I can't I can't thank you enough, and
even going back to being the head coach at Mercer
and your support, and I'm just very thankful for you, Jason.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
I'm very appreciative.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Thank you, Thank you very much. Jason.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Well, gentlemen, I want to thank you also too. And
like I said before, and I just appreciate y'all reaching
out to me. I would love to come back on
any time y'all life. Matter of fact, I love to
get you on my show as well. Uh at some
time to talk some football man. He brings some legendary
coaches to come in and talk some man. Maybe we
get out on this this right here, this this board
a little bit and get after a couple of folks. Man.

(34:40):
I love hearing coaches talk and see things.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Hey, Jason, in our world, the guy that gets the
pen last wins on the board. Does it work that
way at your place to all the time?

Speaker 3 (34:54):
That's that's why I always get up at last.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
So, Jason, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Appreciate I'll talk.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
We're going to go to uh the next segment of
the show. Now, what do you want to do? You
want to make our picks now or do you want to.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Yeah, let's do our picks first, and then let's let's
do our coach heywood stories. Uh, we'll do those last. Okay,
So you will go first on your super Bowl pick,
or you want I can go first. I think my pick,
uh is. I think the Chiefs are going to win too.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
I just I don't see how you can bet against
Patrick Macomes. Uh you until somebody beats him, you know,
head to head in a game that has meaning. I'm
talking about a game that has meaning, like a playoff game,
like a super Bowl game. Till somebody can beat him. Uh,
then I just don't see how you you you bet
against him. I just think he's really really good. I

(35:53):
think he is definitely all the hype that he gets,
he's just he just he's a winner. I mean, he's
not he knows how to do it. He engineers the
whole thing. But I am I'll tell you this, I
am a Jalen Hurt fan. I absolutely love the character
and the class in which he handled his last few years,

(36:14):
or his last year with the with Alabama. I mean,
nobody could have handled that any better. I mean, it
just really showed the kind of character in class that
he has. I think he just I think he's a
special guy. I really do. Nobody I just do. I
mean I didn't know him well, but when I after
I watched or followed how he handled that last year

(36:37):
at Alabama, he I became a fan for life because
it was just so much character in class in that.
But I think overall, I think the Chiefs have the
best team. I think it would be they would have
to lose the game. I don't know if the Eagles
have got enough to beat him.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
I got you, you know, I hate to hate to
be like everybody else. You know, here's the thing. I
don't know what I can add. It'll be different. I'm
gonna get in a couple other things here.

Speaker 5 (37:08):
You know.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
I was texting you back and forth during the game
about that full house set where they had Kelsey in
the backfield, and I sort of wonder if a little
bit of that is to give the Eagles something to
work on, because I think Kelsey's so much better at more,
you know, on the line of scrimmage tight end position.

(37:29):
But what I thought was fascinating though, it ties back
into what Neil Brown talked about. They were running counter
trade to the left, and then they had those two
big backs leading the homes on a switep to the right,
and that's exactly what Neil talked about. He talked about
the new Age option. So I do think that's a
great play. And I mean, who knows, we may be

(37:50):
running that in Largeburg this year. But I do sort
of think though that I think that's really good.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
But I think they're gonna have Kelsey.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
He back where he And that's the other thing about
him that blows my mind.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
How does he always get open? But he does.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
You think he'd be on everybody's game playing when you.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
I think that I would have three guys with him,
you know, I mean, but but but they but they
figure out how to cover him, and and you know
the other thing too. Just to sort of get back
to the basis of this whole thing, the head coach,
the quarterback, and the tight end. Our first ballot Hall
of famers, and they know how to use them.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
I'm sort of like you.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
I just well, it's hard to bet against those guys,
you know, it just really is.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
And he'll run in the big games. You know, he'll
run in the big games. And when he when he
knows the games on the line, he'll run. But you
know the Eagles have got a good running quarterback to
Jalen Hurts Hill run as well, So.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
He's also been hurt. He's also been hurt. Say before.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Before we move on, David, I'm gonna quiz you on
a couple of Super Bowl trivia questions. But listen to this.
What two teams have won the most Super Bowl? I'm
gonna start off with an easy one. What two teams
have won the most Super Bowl? It was six? They've
won six each. What two teams.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Patriots and Steelers.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Wow, I'm in pressed. You don't need Donald Mack. You're
a good chef. Listen, here's one, right hair, the Kansas
City Chiefs. If they win the Super Bowl, they've already
won four. If they win, they will tie the San
Francisco forty nine ers and what other team for second

(39:42):
with five apiece? All three teams will have five apiece.
San Francisco forty God, dang, I am you're a good
You're really good. The Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (39:53):
Here's the things. My super Bow fifty nine.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
I'm fifty nine. I've been here for all of them. Hey,
you know my first super Bowl memory? The coach and
the Cowboys were playing. We were living on Carrying Drive.
I got bored. I went outside and played football on
my friend yard by myself because the game was boring.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
That's my first super Bowl memory.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
But as out on Carrigan Drive there in Danville, I
got tired of watching the game.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I got another one for you. This will be an
easy one. The super Bowl is the second largest food
consumption day in the United States. What was what's the first.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
Thanksgiving?

Speaker 6 (40:34):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Good job, good job, You're right on five. Here's the
last one. This will be the toughest one for you. Okay,
and you might need you might have used Donald Mike
for this one. But what four teams have never reached
the Super Bowl? What four teams?

Speaker 5 (40:50):
Whoa Lions Browns getting tough?

Speaker 4 (41:01):
You got two more of You're right, so far Yeah.
The first two were easy. Uh, I don't think I
got the other two.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, it be the Jaguars, okay, and the Texans.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
I got you.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
Hey, I got one for you.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
All right.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Put it on me.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
Oh, you're going to kill it.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
The defensive coordinator for the only undefeated team Super Bowl
champion the history of the NFL. Where did he play
his high school football?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Paris High School?

Speaker 5 (41:40):
Being God kill?

Speaker 4 (41:45):
And I was telling this story today Coach Arnsbarger came
and watch just have a defensive practice at Paris one day. Man,
you talk about butterflies, forget a big game. Bill Arnsbarger,
the greatest coach of all time, is watching the Paris
Greyhounds have a defensive practice.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Another freck. Weren't you?

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Oh my gosh, man, it was for you. But I
tell you what you know and I like to do
this too.

Speaker 5 (42:12):
You know.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
I know we're friends, but also I look up to
You've been a mentor to me. You and Bill Arnefarger
remind me a lot of each other. You always put
other people ahead of yourselves. You always give credit to others.
And uh, that's about as good a compromise pay anybody.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
But but you do.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
There's I see a lot of Bill Arne far when
I work with you, and I appreciate you, so I
know we want to get into all that, but that
just sort of how it plays out.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Appreciate it. David. Hey, David, let's go to our are
we you know, everybody knows in the state of Kentucky.
We had a uh, you know, a major loss in
the football world with the passing of Philip Haywood, and
we thought we would, you know, take a minute here
and share, you know, a story that we each have

(43:01):
with our encounters of coach a Wood over the years.
I'll tell you mine first is we played each other
in twenty eighteen and it was in the quarterfinals of
the playoffs, and it was kind of it was it
was an absolute awesome experience. We one of the bucket
list things I wanted to do was always wanted to
coach at Belfrey, you know, at their field, at their

(43:25):
in their stadium. I wanted to be, you know, on
the other sideline and coach against them. I wanted to
take my team in there because I heard all of
the stories that it's a real difficult place to play
and so forth and so on. So it was kind
of a bucket list game for me in that respect.
But you know, we took our team in there and
you come in and it's like you kind of walk
down to the field everything, it's like the fans are

(43:47):
right on top of you. I mean they were packed
in there. They were wrapped around the the you know,
the the field. You know. It was just an amazing
atmosphere to coach in. I mean, it was just electric.
And I just remember being in that game and we
were fortunate enough to come out and on top of
that game. But later, you know, Coach Haywood he called

(44:10):
me and later that week he called at the Blue
I wasn't expecting the call and he asked he said, uh,
you know, after the season, he wanted to ask me
about some things that we were doing, you know, like
we were doing you know on the field, uh, you know,
during this off seat everything. He just wanted he wanted
to sit down and talk some football with me, share
some ideas, uh I. And I felt good about myself

(44:34):
that the legend himself, you know, the guy that was
winning his coach in the state of Kentucky, wanted to
ask me some questions. So I felt pretty good about myself.
But but I later found out the coach, you know,
Coach Haywood is like that. He he really likes to
always looking for new new ways to do things, always

(44:56):
looking for new experiences in terms of being able to
share with his players. Uh, he kind of like a
sponge for football. He just knowledge, he just wanted to
soak it all in. That's just kind of the coach
that he was. That's what great coaches do, and that's
what coach A would uh always did as well, as
I found out later Well, to make to make this

(45:17):
longer story shorter, after the season, we connected with one another.
We got together and uh, we got up. We were
on the phone and we we shared a lot of ideas.
We talked for a long time, he and I, and
he asked he had a lot of questions for me.
I had a lot of questions for him. But you know,
this is the interesting part of the conversation because after

(45:38):
we finished talking you know for a while, he said
that he had an idea that he said after he
quit coaching, that he wanted uh to you know, uh,
he wanted to you know and to me to join him.
And he said he wanted to start a like a
call in radio show, UH with you know, where young

(46:01):
coaches could call in with kind of tough topics and tough,
tough uh questions about coaching that we with our experience
could give them answers. And he wanted to know if
I would be interested in doing it with him, and
I said sure. I said, wait to the season. You know,
wait do we all quit coaching?

Speaker 5 (46:19):
You know?

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Of course he never quit coaching, and I quit coaching
a little bit after that. Uh that season. I really
one more season after that, I gave it up. But
my point I'm getting to is, you know, I absolutely
loved the idea when he was telling me about it,
and that is really where the idea of you and
I our podcast came from. You know, we did it

(46:41):
as a podcast, but uh, that's really where it originated
was in my conversation with with Philip and he was
just a mountain of a man. He just a super
person and a great football coach.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
That's a great story and uh, man, that's that's the
guy that I know.

Speaker 6 (46:57):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
You know my story with uh, it's a November story also,
but it's a it was a tougher one.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
You know, some sometimes when the season ends, you know,
and I've never been I've never experienced the state champion.
When the season ends and you know it hasn't been
as successful as as you had wanted it to be
or hope. I mean, it can be a really tough thing.

(47:27):
And uh, a lot of times it's the day after
that last game. It is just absolutely brutal. And uh,
I remember one time in Maswell, Uh, I think the
family was all gone. I think I'm sitting in the
dark in the house. I mean, I just you know,
I tell you I try to do a good job

(47:48):
on the outside, but I'm a horrible loser. I just
I just don't deal with it well. And you know,
this is after probably twenty years. You know, we had
some good teams that Mason County. We you know, we
we'd feel like we were going to be in the
ballpark or make a run and then you know, and
then we'd fall shortan you know, here's the other part

(48:09):
of it too. This goes back to that eighty six
game in Paris and all that. You know, that eighty
six Parish game makes me feel like you can win
every Friday night. I mean, I really think that. I
think there's a way to win every Friday night. And
you know what, if you the head coach, if you
don't win, that's the first guy that gets looked at
in the mirror because all right, well you need to

(48:30):
do different what you know, what you got to fix
and that type of stuff.

Speaker 5 (48:32):
So anyway, one of those.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Saturday nights, after that last loss, and I mean, I'm
just I mean just hitting rock bottom, really just very
very discouraged. So I called Philip, because you know, Philip
was a head coach in seventy five, but they didn't
win a state championship till two thousand and three. It
was almost thirty years and you know, I'm getting ready

(48:56):
for your thirty three coming up. But I said, Coach,
I said, how did you? How did you cope and
navigate with all the times before you did get there
and all that? And he told a really powerful story.
And because I was so frustrated, I didn't even know,

(49:19):
I mean, I was so frustrated in that moment. I
was like I was ready to just walk in and
say I can't do it. I can't take it. I
just couldn't take it. And he told me, it's like David,
he said, I felt exactly like that. And he said,
don't do anything till after Christmas. But he said, David,
he said, I know exactly how you feel. And he
told me about a story. He said, one of those saturdays,

(49:43):
or one of those times after a disappointing loss in November,
he said, David, he said, I'm just out chopping wood,
trying just to cope with my frustration and anger. He said, David,
I just finally stopped. He said, I just started screaming
at God, and I said, God, if you want me

(50:04):
to do this, you have got to give me some success.
And he was defining success in that moment. I think
is a state championship, you know, because obviously he had
won and had success as a coach, but he just
that was just the point that he reached. And and

(50:25):
you know, Phillip's faith was very important to him. And
you know, I think when I when I heard that
story and he shared it with me, I think, I
think what had helped for me in that moment is
I could understand he had felt in that moment exactly

(50:45):
how I was feeling. With him talking on the phone,
he knew exactly what it was like. And you know what,
over the years, you know, and I would say this
about you as well. I think the guys that made
me make the biggest impression on me are the guys
that they get to that mountaintop that they never forget

(51:12):
what it was like to get there. And I don't
think Philip ever forgot what it was like to get
to the summit and just really just having a phenomenal
run after two thousand and three, I mean, absolutely incredible.
But uh, that story that he shared with me and him,

(51:34):
you know, And here's the other thing. When I called him,
he's still playing, He's busy. I'm the one that now
I don't have a game to get ready for. But
I tell you what, Philip Haywood, if if you needed
him and he could help somebody, man, he's dropping what
he's got going on to talk just like him.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
You did for him. You had a game to get.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Ready for because you're ready for Corbyn, but you made
time for Philip because that's the kind of person you are.
So you know, I'll never forget that about Philip. I'll
always be thankful for that. But when I think of
Philip Haywood, I'm always want to think of that night
on the phone with him in that story.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yeah, that's awesome story, David, it really is. And that's
just that's who he is. I mean, he's he would
he would truly be missed. You know, high school football
in the state of Kentucky will not be the same
without him, really.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
Now, not at all.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
And boy, I'm just thankful that our past crossed with him,
that he was a Kentucky guy. And you know, I'm biased,
and I've said this, I'm biased. My dad's an old
coach and all those things. I got my boy County
helmet up here in my old mercer in Paris, and
I got all that up here. Uh, but I do
really think this. I think Kentucky High School is very special.

(52:57):
The coaches and the players and Philip Haywood exhibit A,
exhibit A. I mean he's connected to Roy Walton, Eastern Kentucky,
the Mountains, I mean a Phillips awesome. He's awesome, And
don't get him better.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
It doesn't get any better.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
I agree. I agree.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Hey, David, what we got for the next podcast?

Speaker 4 (53:22):
Well, Hey, we got Chris coach Chris Fisher with the
Texas High School Football Chat on Twitter. So we're going
to take another different approach. We're gonna hit the state
of Texas. I think they know how to play football
in Texas. I'm proud of Kentucky high school football, but
I got to give Texas their due.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
Man, that is a football state. They love it. And
so we're excited.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
And you know, like you're talking about coach being a sponge,
you know, I still I'm still trying to be a sponge.
One of the things I love about this podcast, this
podcast has really helped me grow and be a better
coach for the Anderson County Bearcats. And so, you know,
I like that we're going to talk to coach Fisher.
We're gonna get hooked in with some Texas coaches and

(54:10):
he and again we've said this often, we're here for
our listeners and we are working like crazy to give
our listeners a great experience.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
And uh, we'll bring some exercise ideas. We'll bring some
exercise ideas to our listeners.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
Amen.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Amen.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
And again, it's not just football, it's coaching. It's teaching
and its leadership. I think that's got to be a
foundation of what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Absolutely, Hey and listen, listeners, If you will hang on
and listen to Max historic segment, you won't be disappointed.
It's awesome. We'll see you next time. Thanks for tuning in.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (54:51):
Sports, and in particular, high school sports, are woven into
the fabric of Americana. High school sports are part of
the DNA communities across the country, and that is certainly
true in Kentucky. Fans know the stories of the big names,
but there are many names and many stories that have
been lost to history. This series highlights those forgotten he Rose.

(55:18):
Welcome to this edition of Forgotten he Rose. I'm your host,
mack Yoakam. High school sports in Kentucky have been blessed
with some of the best coaches anywhere in the country.
For many, many years. The coaches, particularly at the small schools,
coached every sport football, basketball, baseball, track. One guy did

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it all. These jack of all trade coaches put up
a lot of wins, and they did it in a
wide variety of ways. One of those great coaches was
Forrest Aggie Saale at Harrisburg High. Aggie had been an
All American basketball player for Adolph Rupp at the University
of Kentucky. He coached at his alma mater, Kavanaugh High

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and Lawrenceburg before he moved down the road to Harrodsburg.
Aggie excelled as a football and basketball coach for the Pioneers.
His teams were always near the top of the Central
Kentucky Conference in both sports. Aggie was one who was
always looking for an advantage over his opponents, and his

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basketball Pioneers implemented a system of discipline that other coaches
found a bit odd. Coach Sale put in place an
unusual set of training and discipline rules. The whole system
was set up by the players and administered by the players.

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Harrodsburg superintendent JK. Powell, father of future Eastern Kentucky University
president doctor J. C. Pell, came up with the concept
of a cooperative self discipline program. The players ran with
the idea and developed the plane. The players set up
an organization composed of all team members. The team captains

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were put in charge. The player's organization made their own
training rules and rules for personal conduct, and they fixed
penalties for violations. They all agreed that if a player
knew another player violated the rules and didn't report it,
then that player had the same penalties as the offender.

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Any player charged with violating a rule had their case
studied by the entire team. The offender was not allowed
in the team meeting, and if it was determined that
a rule was broken, the team moved quickly to dole
out justice. The team was eager for their system to work,
so they made sure rule breakers were dealt with accordingly.

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For instance, if a player was found guilty of smoking,
they had fifty laps around the gym violation and they
were dismissed from the team. Only one player was found
guilty all year of smoking, and he readily accepted his punishment.
The penalty for keeping late hours at night was twenty laps.

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Only four players all season were guilty of that infraction.
An unexcused absence from practice was fifty laps, and no
player ever had to run for missing practice. Drinking intoxicating
beverages was an automatic dismissal from the team, and players
were only allowed to have one date per week. No

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player was dismissed during the season, and no rule was
ever broken. Twice, the players extended their discipline program to
their daily class schedule, and even went so far as
to add rules regarding swearing, tardiness, and absenteeism. Coach Sales
said the team took the program with all seriousness. The

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player who added the no swearing rule to the program
on a Monday was found on Tuesday to be running
his punishment laps because he broke his own rule during
school hours. Rules were made that addressed openly bad attitude
toward game officials. Fans, opponents, and game officials all season

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long complimented Aggie and his Pioneers for the way they
conducted themselves. Aggie Sale and his unique discipline program must
have worked because his nineteen fifty to fifty one Pioneers
finished as regional runners up in a controversial regional championship

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game with University High and they went forty to four
in nineteen fifty in nineteen fifty one, and were seventy
four and fifteen over a four year span before he
stepped down following the nineteen fifty one season. Aggie Sayl,
a legendary basketball player, turned into an innovative legendary coach.

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