November 21, 2024 • 59 mins
The coaches are joined by former UK star and current Banneker High Head Coach Braxton Kelley plus the tough topic, KHSAA playoffs and another Forgotten Heroes
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Coach David Buchanan coach Chuck Smith, two legendary high school
football coaches. This is the Coach's Office, a behind the
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scenes look at Kentucky high school football.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And Welcome to the Coach's Office Behind the scenes with
Chuck Smith and David Buchannan. This is season three, episode fourteen,
so we're fourteen weeks into this thing now. I'm Chuck Smith.
I'm joined by co host David Buchanan, podcast editor, flashback
storyteller Yoakam, and Noah King is our social media manager
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our YouTube version. You can access our YouTube version of
this podcast at teacock T dot C, dot O, dot P.
If you do that, then hit you know, subscribe and
like and it really helps us out. I'm really really
excited about our show tonight. We have one of my
former players that played linebacker for me when I was
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at the University of Kentucky, Braxton Kelly, is now the
head football coach at Banneker High School in Georgia. It
will be it'll be a lot of fun catching up
with Braxton. I'm really excited about that. We'll bring him
on here shortly. We have our tough topic question, which
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is anonymous again this week. If you exchange video with
a coach, is it ethical to send that video to
another opponent. Uh, that's an interesting question. I'm looking forward
to that. One games of the week, we will pick
the regional finals. This is the regional final. This is
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round three, and we David and I will pick who
we think the regional champs will be. You know, that's
kind of hit or missed For me. I'm pretty not
I'm not very good at picking those, but I'm gonna
give it a shot.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
David's pretty good at it. Actually, he's pretty Uh, he's
pretty accurate. Now let's talk a little bit about Braxton. Braxton,
as I said, is the head football coach of Banneker
High School in Georgia. He played high school at Lagrange
High School in Lagrange, Georgia. He won three state championships
as a player.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
He played his college football at the University of Kentucky. Uh.
His linebacker coach with Chuck Smith. I had to I
had to slide that in there. He started. He started
all four years as a linebacker at the University of Kentucky.
I think it two thousand and eight. He was a
second team All SEC. He's remembered by Big Blue Nation
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for that fourth and two tackle against against then the
number one ranked LSU Tigers, and Braxton made that four
fourth and two tackle in overtime to win the game
for US Man. That was exciting at they just been
putting that on social media, that clip. That's pretty that
was a pretty exciting day. He played in the NFL
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for the Dinver Broncos before ending his professional career career
with a knee injury. He was an assistant at Banneker
for I believe two seasons before taking over as the
head football coach in twenty twenty one. He's a young
head coach that's learning the trade. He can help our listeners,
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our young listeners by giving us a young perspective. So
that's really what I'm excited about. He's a great young man,
he really is. He lovesootball. He's he's very passionate about football.
He always has been. I think that's why he was
such a great player.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
He's one of my all time favorites. Uh, David, you
want to bring bracticing on.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
I really do it, and you know already before we've
got I really like the dynamic that we were able
to see, which is that it's obvious that coach Chuck
Smith is extremely proud of you, Braxton, and uh, that
is that is that's really sort of one of the
dynamics that has had us in this for so long.
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And while we're still doing a podcast, I'm just glad
that we're doing this by YouTube video and Google link
because if not, he would n't spit all over both
of us.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
I mean now, but uh.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Hey, we're we're I think we're protected by the screen.
But again, uh, it's really neat and you can tell
how proud your old coaches of you.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
And hey, thank you so much for making time to
be honest.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
And I can tell you this, Sid Man, this is
a big deal for our kentuc you Wildcat football fans.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
This is this is great. Dad, Brashton, Kelly, thank you
so much.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
Thank you for having me. Thanks so much. Coach Coach
kind of mentioned a couple of things too. Uh he
left one thing. I was at Clark Atlanta for six
years as well as a coach. That's one thing that
kind of kind of kind of skipped over. But thanks
for the introduction. It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, and uh, let me start off with some of
the questions. With the first question here, I'd like to know,
you know, really what what is your defensive philosophy? You know,
how do you like to attack attack these modern spread offenses.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
It really depends on what kind of system they're running. Defensively, though,
I always want to be on a tap mode. I
don't want to see they kind of just oh what
are they doing with it? And now we want to
find out what they're doing with game planning for them.
But as far as we don't teach on telling the
kids what we're going to do and the players, they
have to know what we're doing. What are we gonna
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roll the coverage it to trips? Are we gonna play
this two by two? We're gonna be too split safety.
Are we gonna roll earlier, We're gonna roll late. It
all depends on what their team's kind of giving us. Uh.
When we see teams that are throwing a bunch of
deep routs uh and kind of trying to get the
ball deeper down the field, I try to bring some
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pressure because I.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Feel like if you make the quarterback uncomfortable, you.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
Have a much better chance to win the games. And
if being a tight coverage is something that I like
I like man to man coverage, which you can't always
run man and man coverage if you don't have those
guys that can do it. And kind of with the
r PO systems and things now sometimes that all kind
of it's kind of good to being the man and
man based on leverage, but at the same time, you
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got a quarterbacks that can pull their ball and run
the ball, you'll be kind of put in a predicament
where you're kind of you're kind of reacting instead of
actually being the aggressed. So I try to I try
to make sure that we have attacked the attack the
slide protection, attacking the protections where they're center snapping.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
When that center snaps the ball, which way is he looking.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
I want to make sure I have numbers in the
UH in the rest game as far as attacking the quarterback,
and as far as the spreading.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
System in the run game, it's not there.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
Hard to me. The back is on the right, they
probably running left. They might run a cup counters or
something like that. But when the forthwide, when they're with
with with one tight end, it kind of simplifies the
run game for you. But they have a lot more
pass stuff that they can do excellent.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Actually, do you call the defense or are you just
a head coach?
Speaker 7 (07:51):
I call the defense as well, That's why you say that.
But I call the defense as well. Defense be running
four three, but sort of with two before two five
principles as well. So we we do walk that sund
back around and he has to be able to cover.
But we pretty much run a lot of actually when
we ran in college as well.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
So that's that's what I was gonna ask you. Have
you drawn Have you drawn most of your scheme philosophy
from your high school days, your college days, or your
NFL basettle?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
That's a little bit. I would say a little bit
of everything, because.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
I've learned so much over the years that to only
take things from when from.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
One level will be will be wrong.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
Uh, I learned a lot in high school, a lot
in college, and a lot in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Some of when it comes to, uh.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
What we do defensively, we run a lot of cover
foard things like that. There's some of the stuff that
we got that I got from college. The way we
do it now, I will say this the back end
and the secondary it took a lot. It took a
lot of studying to learn exactly what to do, because
I ain't sure to know everything about the secondary before
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calling coverage to a front.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
On those fronts, you know characters have to match up. Well,
you can't do it.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
But I would say most of my stuff would be
from because of what we face, would be from college
and NFL more than what we did in high school.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Because in high school was more of a bear for
I mean it was before.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
For defense, Like you can't really warn that versus should
you ever give your linebackers the green light that's gonna
make plays?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
You would give it to you.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
I didn't get the green like you, but I definitely do. Coach,
I'm like, but I always go back. I always use
what you say. Now, if you don't make the play,
you're wrong. Heck of a job.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
But I definitely I have a linebacker.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
This is really he was saying.
Speaker 7 (10:16):
This past season, he had about one hundred and thirty tackles.
He was one of those players that I kind of
let go, let flow to the ball and just make plays.
He had about six forced fumbals, interception, a bunch of
tackle for losses. So he's one of those kids that
I was able to kind of do that with. But
he is only one uh that was just on this
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past this past year's team that could do that. He's
a big time leader. He was there every day, he
never missed anything. Having that kind of kid around and.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
It's great. Yeah, it's due to have somebody like that.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
You know, it's neat to hear you talk about your
different experiences and what you're doing on defense. Now you
know your your old coach played for Charlie Bailey at
the UK. Mhmally that defense has really sort of spread
all over high schools in Kentucky because so many people
have copied off of from when Chuck was in high school.
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I mean there's Charlie Bailey versions of his defense all
over the place. It's neat to think about. You know,
now that's you. You know, now that's you using what
you learn from him. And you know, you guys talk
a little bit about the defensive part of it. So
now I want to get more into the leadership piece
of it. What are things that you learned from coach
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Chuck Smith that UK that you apply now as a
high school head coach?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
What what?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
What are things that he did that that you can
apply now? Is the head football coach Man.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
The biggest thing that I think I learned from him
was just being consistent. Don't always don't be trying to
change up things every day, like because us as coaches,
we can all feel like there's something new out there, right,
there's something new, somebody else said do this, somebody else
said do that, But we have to remember as a coach,
and I think me and him had this conversation was
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now really go too much. Fact, we had a conversation
about one of the coordinators when I was actually gain
at Kentucky that it was just like, hey, the kids
have to be able to learn this stuff, so.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
This is this is wrong man.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
It's just people that uh that are that are that
are in the coaching circle, that are sitting in front
of a computer all day, that have all these odd
ideas and can get all of this information from other places.
We have to remember that those students don't have those
students and those players don't have the same amount of
time that we have. So making sure that the players
learn the things that we can teach them and don't
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throw a thousand things at them. That's what I learned
from Coach Smith that really I think is helping my team.
I don't have to sit there and be like, hey,
we gotta do this versus every single thing they do. No,
let's do what we do well, get better at that,
and then as we get better, we can add things.
But what we can't do is throw something brand new
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at these boys every single day and inspect them to
pick it up, because they're going to be just as
confused as the next coach is going to be confused.
Because I've been in some of those means where I
was confused. So when it comes to this is what
I this is what I learned from him. Don't try
to do don't try to over coach I guess what
you said, don't over coach it.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Yeah that's good.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Let them just make it simple and let them play. Yeah,
that's what I want, uh think said. My next question
is you play for legendary high school football coach Steve
or do and uh, what is the one thing that
he did that you believe in and feel like you
must instill in your program at Banner.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
I feel a lot of the coach. It was physicality
That was number one my time at Lagrange High School.
Every single year that I played, we were number one
defense in the state. So defensively, I believe in hitting. Now,
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the games changed a lot, right it was it was
one of those you come across the middle, you knock.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
His head out. No, I can't said to do that anymore.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
But I still feel like if we teach football that
way until they call it, it's legal me and they
call it, hey, you might have to pull out and
they might cost us fifteen. We can't get on a
targeting or anything like that. Don't anybody get thrown out
of the game. But like we have to be physical.
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Physicality in this sport still wins. So if we're able
to do that, I feel like that's what That's something
that part of taught me to be physical.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Hit somebody in the mouth every single play.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
If you playing defensive line linebacker, you shouldn't be able
to hit somebody in the mouth.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Everything can play.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
If you're an on lineman, you should be hitting somebody
in the mouth every single play. Let skill players play ball,
all right, So that part of the game. I feel
like if every team is able to do that and
win the physical battle, as we always say they can
take it, win the physical battle, you have a better
chance of winning the game. If you can run the ball,
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you have a better chance of winning the game. So
that's what I kind of hang my hat on, being
able to run the ball and play tough defense when
we got the players obviously, but kind of thing that
defensive line this year, but things like that, that's kind
of what I teach, Like, that's win up front, let's
be physical and in the fourth quarter, physicality always wins
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take over being able to run the ball.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I say, of the games I've ever played in in
the most physical team has won the game, for sure.
I believe in that wholeheartedly.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
A coach ay, so, uh, you know again, you know,
I mean, I thought Chuck had a great point about,
you know, having a younger head coach and a younger perspective.
And you know, the other thing you bring to us is, uh,
you know, you've got NFL experience. You're in a high
school in Georgia. You know, we're in Kentucky. So I'm
really curious what trends do you see emerging in the
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game of football. You know, for example, are you seeing
more zone or man coverage, You're seeing more under center
or shotgun, more no huddle or huddle, or is there
anything else you're seeing the game sort of evolved to.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
I mean, give give a couple of old guys that
heads up here, what what a rise in the game
of football? What's coming down the road?
Speaker 7 (16:56):
So what I see a lot of now is especially
dealing with some of the really good teams in my area.
We have a few teams that are doing the r
PO stuff and the way they're doing it.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
I used to think that the r.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
PO was always away from the run the way the
run was going, but then I started some teams actually
hit the r P O and theveryadon the French side. Uh,
linebackers as well. Those plays right there are tough, Like
those are the toughness you don't really know unless you
go into some type of clinic where somebody has his
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master Like you're not gonna be able to just call
plays and be like, hold up, what do I do next?
Like you have to have a plan and going into
the and going in playing. When you playing teams like.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
That, uh, it's a We play a lot of man coverage.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
We trying to I try to load the box is
best as I as best as I can. But when
you have those type of plays and you don't have
discipline eyes, you're dead. So with the RPO game, with
the zone and then that backer fields that gap, he
throws the ball right betime in that backer's ear. If
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you're in some kind of three or something like that,
those are the players that are really hurting us, that
are hurting everybody, to be honest with you, because you
can't be right, per se, you can't be right.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
You just have to hope that one of your guys
gets through and make a play.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
You have to make that make sure that hopefully that
the defensive back is in good coverage and good leverage.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
As we know, if you don't hold your.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
Leverage, no matter what coverage you're in, you're gonna get killed.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
So with those rbos with those slants and things like that,
and you see those backers flying down here, that opens
up that zone for the slant.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
So those are the plays that.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
Like when you told tell Tho DBS, don't worry about
what's in the backfield. You got to make sure you
stay in your at your leverage and then your coverage
so we can make those plays and make those tackles
on those Those are the players that are uh that
are causing problems. It's not necessarily all.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
The deep routes and stuff like that. Those are all's
gonna be the same.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Catch the ball, drop back, throw deep balls and corner
routs and uh deep posts and things like that.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
But it comes out.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
It comes when you're you know, they're reading guy. It's
sort of like the same thing when you were talking
about triple option, Like a guy that's iron blocked, and
he's iron blocked, but we're reading him, so you think
he thinks he's open to make the play. Were just
reading him, and we're gonna pitch off of him, or
we're gonna do this off of him if he doesn't
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do that. So it's just it's just taking a triple
option and putting a passing game uh aspect to it.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
That makes it a lot harder.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
And the biggest difference is those become big game, big
touchdown players sometime, especially when those safeties start biting up
on the rock.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
It's really go.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Ahead, David Well, I just I really like your answer
because he equates it with the spread option, and I
really look at all this you know r PO. To me, however,
you want to slice an RPO and so forth, I
think you got to figure out a way that you
can be option sund And if you Saund, I just
think you almost have to approach it like that because,
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like what you're saying, if you're not option sund, this
r P R r PO stuff will just have your
head spinning the entire game. I mean, you've got to
find a way to get to find assignments one way
or another. And I need to let Chuck talk. He
knows way more about playing good defense than I do,
and you do as well.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Bratwitch, Where are you gonna say.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I learned for him?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
So I'm just gonna say, in today's football it's really
really hard to be a dominating defense anymore because all
the rules are have been you know, swayed towards the offenses,
and you know, with the check with me, after they
see what you're in, they see your blitz, they check
with me, they can make a call from there. The
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r P O, all that stuff is just making it
harder and harder. Just see great defense. Just I say
all the time that you you really now in today's football,
you really judge a defense. Stop about how many points
they give up, but how many stops they get in
the game. Yes, and your offense better be able to
score because if they can't score, you're not going to
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win it. Today football, I.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Won one hundred percent agree with that. You have to
make those stops.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
And then it's it's complimentary football because we all want
to shut out. But those aren't always especially in today's football,
those aren't.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
There's those. They don't happen every week.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
So if the scor is thirty eight, like when did
you make this stop in the fourth quarter, this ley
on determine who won that game. So I one percent
agree with with that with their take coach, because the
way these teams are able to move about. Wait, then
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I'm gonna say it is about their RFO.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I hate the r PO, but.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
I love it at the same time because the referee
never call a.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Legal man downfield on RPO.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Never never going to either.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
They're never going to call it, and I'm sitting there,
sitting there watching it on the film. This is the
worst thing. The worst thing I hate about football is
on well Saturday morning. Well, I watched it a night
on Friday night.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
On Friday night.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
When I go back and watch their film and I
see four or five plays with it lineans downfield and
they completed the ball, there should be a flag.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
They gonna get it.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Practice.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Got the last question here for you. Uh, you know,
it takes time to build a program and to get
the culture at the level that that you want and
you expect as a head coach. You know what is
the single most important thing you feel you need to
change culturally at at to get Banneker Football where you
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want where you want them. And I know it takes
the Jimmies and the Joe's. You got to have the athletes.
You gotta have the players. I get that, But I'm
talking about culturally. You know, what's the one thing you
feel you need to change? You know, is it is
it in the weight room?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Is it confidence? Is it discipline?
Speaker 6 (23:17):
You know?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
What do you what do you feel the one thing
is that how do you plan on getting it done?
Speaker 7 (23:23):
If there's one thing, right, there's several Well, if there's
one thing that I'm going to say, it's going to
be disciplined, it's one.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
It's one hundred percent discipline.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
Because with discipline, the weight rooms, taking care of the
field stuff, taking care of the academics are taking.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Care of right.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
Uh, the way you are in the community is taking
care of. It's all about this. All boils down the
discipline they're trying to instill the incident.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
All you have to do.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
You have to just keep on, Henry hey Man, where
you're supposed to be class coach, go to class. You
don't go to class. You gotta have a punishment. Like,
those are the things that where I am. It's not
every school. We're different. My school is different. I'm just
being being honest with you. My school is different. We
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have a lot going on, right, We're an impoverished area
where there's a lot of.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Different things going on.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
You got kids that are, you know, not interested in school,
Kids that see a whole other ways to make money, right,
kids that think they can make that money in school.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Right. So when I say that, like.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
Keeping those guys, that's why I love it so much
because I know what I'm doing it's gonna go more
than go way further than the football field.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Right. It's just like each of each one of you
guys have a coach as well, Like.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
You know that what you teach and what you do
and the discipline that you're instilled in your football players.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
It's gonna make them better men. So that's my job,
all right.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Even though I want to win football games and I
know it's gonna take discipline to win those games, it
all has to start with me as a person.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
For first of all, they have to be the person
that they look up to.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
If I don't move, if I don't move right, they're
not gonna move right. If my coaching staff don't move
right and do the right thing, they're not gonna move
the right way and do the right things, all right,
So I have to hold them account. My coaches have
to be on time. My players have to be on
time as well. So if they if those who are
on time I'm not, They're gonna look at me and
be like, hold on, coach, you always talking about us
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being on time. You need I need to be disciplined, right,
So I'm always one of those people like hold on,
I gotta be there.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I can't be late.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
So I have to make sure those guys are the
same way when it comes to coach, Coach mill, what's
that ever?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Late? Don't never?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I loved the meeting when I talked about that all
the time.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
We had a great meeting room. We had a lot
of fun in there.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
And it sounds like you got a good plan, and
I think, uh, I think Banneker or football is in
good hands. I think they're in good hands. You've got
a good plan, You're you're sticking to your play. I
love the discipline part. You know, you're not gonna win
any championships and are gonna win any games on a
consistent basis out without having a disciplined football team.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
One agree with your coach. Yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
See this clip playing all the time now where Nick
Saban talks about when he changed as a coach, he
became Uh. I think because it a transformational coach instead
of transactional. And now, you know, am I here to
benefit the kids? Or am I here to just try
to win? And and you know, and and and I
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think we're all three sort of saying the same thing. Ultimately,
to win championships, that is the best approach. I mean,
you can be a transactional coach and you can win championships.
There that there's guys that.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Have done it.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
But but in the long haul, the transformational coach that
you are, which is helping those kids, I just think
that's longer last thing. I think it's actually in the
long run, it's more.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
Effective and and you know.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
The other thing too, is I think you can stay
at your school longer if you coach like that.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
I think if kids people figure that out.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
And I I.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Tell you what, if you're gonna use kids, you really
better win because I don't think you're gonna be there otherwise.
But you know, if you're if you're trying to help kids,
you're gonna win championships.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
But but you're all still gonna help those young men.
And you uh, I tell you what you've You've inspired
me tonight and I'm glad that you're talking about you know,
why you coach and your approach and uh man, I'm.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Just fired up.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
I hope there's Fraxicton Kelly's coaching high over the United
States because we're gonna have.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
A uh it's gonna be a better country.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
And uh a lot of young men are gonna be
helped if they'll approach it the way that you're approaching it.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
It's sir, that one last like because it kind of
touches when you say that, like, because of course I
have my own son, but I know at the school
that I coach, it's a lot of kids that I
coach that I'm the.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Only father figure.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
They have the same same way that you guys were, right,
you you better my dad away from from home, right,
So it's like it's like I know that, like every
day it's a boy that goes home. He learned something today,
He's going home. He'll see me tomorrow. I tell you
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my I said, y'all see me more. I see y'all
more than I see my own children, I said, And
you have to realize that, Like, well, I'm giving to
you guys. I would like to be reciprocated, but God
put this on my heart to give. So if I'm
gonna keep giving and I'm gonna keep doing, I'm gonna
keep doing what God asked me to do. So my
biggest thing, like, hey, each one of you guys, I
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love you guys. That's why I pour into you. But
I know I know I'm some of their only father,
their five figure, right, just like you guys were as well.
So I have to make sure I'm all standing man,
do what I'm supposed to do because I know even
sometimes those foggy feelings that they do have at the
house probably aren't the best.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Hey, and you got me fired up. I know I
need to shut up.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
But but but there's something you keep going back to
that I think is so important. I hear coaches talk
about wanting to make their kids tough. If you want
to make your kids tough, you have to model toughness.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
And that's what you're about.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Your kids aren't gonna be tough and they're not gonna
do what they should should do if you don't model
that for them. And I really appreciate you sharing that
ingraspment it because I'll see coaches that sort of try
to bully kids into doing what they should, but they're
not modeling what they want out of their kids.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
You're modeling it.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
And then you know what, because you model it, now
you can push a little harder, but when you had
when you push art as a coach, but you don't
model the toughness and the character that you're demanding. I
think a lot of kids he goes in one air
and out to the other and you have no credibility
in my opinion. And again, I've just really fired up
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about how you're coaching high school football. You know what,
for a young man, I think you pretty dag on
ahead of the game.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
I really do. It's been impressive.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Broxen is really passionate, and you could tell about coaching.
He was the same way as a player, very passionate,
very tough, very physical. He had no problem sticking his
face in there, almost tackles. He was one tough sucker.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
RAI.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
We appreciate you being on with us tonight, really do you.
It's good to see you again, you two coachy Bratson,
you were absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Thank you so much. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Thank you so much. Good luck to you, your time.
Hey me on again. I love to do this again.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Thank you, good luck to you, good luck.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Thanks again.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
Hey, so all we go on. And I have to say,
if Branston Kelly hadn't got Chuck Smith written all over him,
nobody does.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
I love that got me fired up. Oh my goodness.
And uh he was like that.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
All of those of the Grange kids were like that.
Wesley Wooder was like that. Even those receivers played offer
they were like that too. I think that's a good
reflection of their head football coach, who is Steve Pardue.
And I'm Steve's a friend of mine. I love Steve
and he's a wonderful coach. He was that he came
to Cantel and coached a few years with We overlapped
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a few years, and I think those kids are a
big reflection of him.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Well, and after being around you the last forty years,
those kids had to be a great fit with you
in that linebacker room. I would love that. Yeah, we
had a great moment there. Yeah, I can imagine. So
all right, So, hey, I've lost track. Did you read
the tough type of yet?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I have not read it.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Go ahead, right, go ahead, you read it.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Oh, it's an anonymous If you exchange video with a coach,
is it ethical to send their video to another opponent?
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Yes, all right, my answer is no. That's the question correct,
But an answer is no. So in other words, here's
what I'm saying. If I'm getting ready to play South Warren,
you send me your video, and then the week after
us whoever's playing South Warren says, Hey, David, I know
Chuck sent you the South Warren video. Send it to
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us too. I'm not gonna send it. I don't think
you do. I know the videos out there, but I
think if you're professional enough and that's goal enough with
me that you're gonna trade video, I don't think I
should turn around and send it.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
And that's my thoughts on what do you think.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Well, I got a little different approach. I mean, here's
here's what I feel, and I have my reasons. But
if you exchange or you share a video of an
opponent with any coach, you know, say you ask for it,
they asked for it, you shared it with them, you
gave it to them that I think that video becomes
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their property and if they give it to someone else,
then you know, so be it.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
And you know, I don't think. I just don't think
you can worry about what happens to your video after
you exchange it or share, you know, with another coach.
I don't I think that. I think that's on them.
I think that becomes their property. I didn't give it
to them with the intentions of them never sharing it
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or giving it to somebody else. I gave it to
them because they asked for it and it was something
that I think I need. They needed some help and
I wanted to provide them that help and I gave
them that video. And what they do with it from there,
I think is their business. Because in this aid, in
this age of huddle and live streaming, you can pretty
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much get any video on any game that you want
just by searching the internet. So I don't think you
can get you know, tied up or worked up about
you know, what happens to my If somebody asked me
for a video then and I feel like they need
some help, you know, maybe the other coach in exchange
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with them for whatever reason, it doesn't matter. But if
they wanted my tape, then they were needing some help
to get you know, their game plan together or what
have you. That I give it to them. And once
I give it to them, then it's their property. If
if somebody ask for it and they feel like they
need to give it to them, you know, so be it.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
I got you I was.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
I wasn't talking about like if a coach needs video
on a team, I pretty much give my video to anybody.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Or like, let's.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Say this, if I get a copy, if Bowling Green
sends me a copy of South Warren and it's Bowling
Green's copy, then that that doesn't bother me to send
it to them, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
So I don't mind giving other people on my video.
I just I would rather not give it.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
I would rather not give your video to somebody that's
going to play you, I'd rather make them at least
try to exchange.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
But I understand what you're.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Saying, and you know, in this day and age, I mean,
I will say this. I look at it like this
every week. I assume every opponent we play has every game.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I would that's I would think. So. Yeah, so there's
an interesting question. I thought it was a good question,
an interesting question.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Well, you know what's what's fascinating. I put on the
lists are just a couple of days ago that we
were looking for tough topics and we got several.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
And they're all anonymous.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I get some of that.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
I do.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I think that sometimes. That's I mean, I don't have
any problem with that.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Yeah, I like it because I think people are now
more willing to ask real questions that they really want
answers to because, uh, they're not their names got gonna
get connected to it, because you know, if some of
their names got connected to it, people would start looking
at that particular situation. And uh, but I would add
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this too. You know, you and I, because we're older,
we've been doing it for a while. I mean, we
do get a lot of calls from coaches that administrators
about how should we handle this, how should we approach it?
And and I like that for our listeners because you
know what I mean. I don't want to get too
carried away here, but we do call it the coach's
office behind the scenes, and I really like the more
(37:14):
that it is like the coach's office, and the more
people get to see what it's really like, I think
it makes our podcast better. So I think, yeah, Kensel
keep sending them, so all right, so how do you
want to do these reagion chaps? Do you want us
to go through each game? And you say you got
and I picked who I got?
Speaker 6 (37:34):
Or you want to do all yours? Me do all mine?
What do you? How do you want to do it?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
You still class?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Still by class?
Speaker 6 (37:39):
All right?
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Hey, so hey, I'll do Let me do class A first.
I've got Raceland over Hazard, Pipe Full Oversayer KCD over Newport,
and I guess I'm gonna go with Candbellsville over newcaf
although I'm gonna go Campbell's all over Newcat.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
I'm gonna stop there, all right, Well about you?
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Okay, I've got Raceland as well. I think that'll be
a good game. But it is at Graceland, so that
that's gonna really give them, uh, you know, an edge.
I've got an upset in the next one. I've got Sayer.
I think Sayer's had a great year. I'm not so
sure Pipefele's had a great year. They are playing at
Sayer too, so uh, it's a good trip there. I'm
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gonna pick Sayer over Pifel. Uh in an upset, I
do have.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
K c D.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Over Newport, and I do have Campbellsville over newcat and
that I think that's gonna be a closet game though.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
I agree, all right, so you go first on to a.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Okay, in two A, I've got Mayfield over l c A.
Because l c A has got to travel to Mayfield.
If I'm not mistaken, that's a long trip. They didn't
do fair so they didn't fare so well last time.
I think they went there, and I think that's a
tough place to play. Mayfield's kind of been up and
down this year. I know that's a tough pick, but
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I'm going to go out on the limb and pick
Mayfield over LCA. I'm going to pick Oorsboro Catholic. I
think they're going to win the whole thing. Anyway, I
think they're the best team in it. So they're going
to take care of Monroe County. Beechwood over Martin, I
think there'll be no problem there. And then I'm going
to pick Prestonsburg over Somerset because Somerset's got to go
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to Prestonsburg. It's a tough trip and a tough place
to go, and I'm picking Prestonsburg.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
I got you, all right, So I went with ELCA
over Mayfield, and I went with Somerset over Prestonsburg. Now
the other two, I agree with you Owensbory a Catholic
in Beechwood, but I will admit I thought LCA and
Mayfield were a tough one to pick. In Somerset and Burg, uh,
that was a tough one. And Prestonsburg is somewhat intriguing
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because they have been you know, back when you were
at Boil and I was at Mason, they really had
some good teams and then it's been rough and I
got to do a little quarterback camp up there a
couple of springs ago, but they really have have sort
of re emerged. They got a lot better. And I
still think Somerset will get them. But I think for
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Prestonsburg right now to host a region championship, those guys
have done.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
A great job.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
Yeah yeah, so I'll go ahead, Well, go ahead, that's fine,
all right. So in three eight, I've got Central over Cow,
which here's what's crazy. Central big Cow to win the district,
but Cal has a higher RPI, so the game, even
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though Central is the district champ, they're going to Cal
to play at Cal.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
That's a weird deal.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
In a classic rematch from again twenty plus years ago,
I've got Belfry over Russell. Although Russell's had a really
good season. He one of our podcasts got well two
both were on there. Let's calv has really sort of
bounced back here late in the season. Coach base has
done a good job. I still think Bell County is
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gonna win, and then Hart County continues their thing, and
I picked them over Union County.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, well, I was a little different on a couple
of them. I have Cal over Central because they are
Central is going.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
To go to Cal.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Central beat Cal surprisingly pretty easy the first time.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
I just can't see that happening again. I think that.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Coach Cantrell will will come up with a good plan,
and I don't know. I'm gonna pick cal off In
over Central. I'm gonna pick Belfrey over Russell. I don't
think that'll be a problem for them. I am going
to pick lex Cath over Bail. Lex cath has got
to go to bail. I understand that, but uh, lex
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caf is probably gonna if there are anything like I
think they are, They're going to throw the ball all
over the place, and they usually are really really good
at it, so I'm assuming they are. I think that'll
be tough for Bell to be able to handle. And
then I'm gonna pick Heart over Union. And I was
back and forth on this one. Union is pretty solid
as well, but Hearts seemed to be on a really
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good role right now, so I'm gonna stick with them
and pick herd over Union. I got four, aight, I
could go first, you go, I don't. I don't have
many upsets here. I think I don't think there will
be an upset in this class. I think Corbyn will
beat Ashland, and I think Boyle will beat Covington Catholic,
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and I think Franklin is going to be Marchtown, and
I think Paduka Tilman is going to be beat the sales.
Uh I don't have any any anything that I think
would be an upset here.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
Uh I got the same Four doesn't mean we're right,
but lee are greing four for four an agreement at
least all right. So five A, I've got Bowling Green
over Atherton. I've got Highlands over Pulaski. I've got I
know the d C at South Warren and the head coach.
Speaker 6 (43:30):
They're pretty good.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
I'm gonna go with South Warren over North Bullet, and
I'm gonna go with Cooper over Southwestern.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Well, I've got a little different there. I've got I
do have Bowling Green over Atherton. I think Bowling Green
is very, very talented. Uh I got a lot of
great players and they're gonna be hard to hold. I
got h I do have Pulaski in an upset over Highlands.
I know the head coach of Pulaski, and I just
eight that I also know the head coach of Highlands.
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But I think that, uh, I just think Pulaski is
ready for an upset. I think it would be a
great opportunity. I'm picking Pulaski over Highlands. I'm not going
to pick the South one in North bullet game. I
don't think that's would be professional of me and I
and I and I am going to pick Cooper over Southwestern.
Speaker 6 (44:26):
I got you, I got you.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
That's that's take sixt.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Okay, I've got Trinity over Ballard, and I was kind
of Ballard to surprise me. Uh, they really have. I
thought they were down and out to be honest with you,
to be frank and honest with you. But not Ballard.
I mean they have fall back and but I'm still
going to pick Trinity over Ballard. I think Trinity is
the defending state champion there. They've got uh, they've got
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a lot of players back and uh, I just think
they're the favorite.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
To win it. Right.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yoah has really really been strong coach Engler. It was
one of our guests on here, and man, he has
got them rocking and rowing. I mean, everybody better keep
an eye on Ryle. They've had a great year and
I'm picking them over Central Great Crossing.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
I've got picked.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Over Baron County though Barron County John Myers is done
a great job at Baron and I mean just a
terrific job. But I don't know, I don't know if
they can overtake Great Crossing or not. And then I
had Douglas, Frederick Douglass over Madison Central.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
I got you, Hey, I'm with you on all of them.
Speaker 5 (45:39):
I do want to give a shout out to Zane Johnson,
the quarterback at Trinity. His dad played for me at
Mason County. Zayan was the quarterback last year as a freshman.
We want to stay title. He's a sophomore now. He's
had a great season. But I agree with you Ballard.
Ballard has really turned it on here at the end
they have which Central Harden has too. But I don't
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think it's gonna be good enough for Ryle.
Speaker 6 (46:02):
I think Rale. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
They're a pretty hot team.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Yeah, they really are. I agree with the Great Crossing.
I've got en upset special here. I think Madison Central
is going to get Douglas. I think it's gonna be
a really good game.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (46:19):
I just you know, we scrimmage Madison Central to start
the season, and and I was really impressed with them.
And I won't say I don't want to give away
anything any competitive type of thing, but I just know
a little bit about how I know Douglas does a
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great job. I mean, I mean it's it's incredible the
success they've had. Let me put it, let me phrase
it like this, the way Madison Central operates. If there
can be an upset between the run game and other
ways that they do their preparation, I think Central is
the team that does it. I just I just think
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that that's sort of placed to their hand.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
A little bit.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
And uh but again, I wouldn't be shocked if Douglas wanted.
If they've got an excellent football program and may very
well be the six A state champion. So uh, hey,
I did want to say this. I like that you
went out on a limb there with Owensborough Catholic. You
think will win two A. If I were gonna go
out on a limb right now, uh, which other than Boil,
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I think going out on a limb right now to
say Boil as four A, I don't know that that's
much of a limb.
Speaker 6 (47:34):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
But if I were gonna go out on a limb,
I think I would probably say I think Central, even
though you picked them to get beat, I think Central.
Speaker 6 (47:42):
Is gonna win three eight.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
I wouldn't be surprised. I would be yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
Think this is their team.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
You know, we do an O T A with Central,
and I know that that's your lie and I know
it's there.
Speaker 6 (47:51):
I know we're but but I.
Speaker 5 (47:52):
Will tell you this of the of working and I'm
a hunter Cantwell and Marvin Dancer. That's two of my
favorite people, right, I'm crazy about both of them. But
we've been doing ot as with Central and Marvin for
the last five or six years. I really thought this
year was by far the best team that they've had.
And anotherhing against col I mean that none of this
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is like somebody's a bad Colt or a bad none
of that is none.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Of them how we pick them.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
I do think the state championship that game is the
state championship game.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Yeah, I tell you the Windy Game is gonna win it.
Speaker 6 (48:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (48:31):
I tend to agree with you. I do, And uh,
I tell you what. I sit there and I look
at Well. I mean, I know we're not probably we'll
save some of this for for down the road, but uh,
but I.
Speaker 6 (48:43):
Do think these are some really good games.
Speaker 5 (48:45):
And I think people are gonna there's some good football
to go watch this weekend, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
So yeah, but they were some upsets last week, especially
in six A go.
Speaker 6 (48:57):
Yep, yeah, they really were great, David.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
It's a great time of a year. I mean, there's
a playoff football in Kentucky is just awesome. I mean,
it's it's a lot of fun. It's it's it's great
to go watch it. You know that the fans get
into it, the communities get into it. It's just really special.
And uh, and then when you get into these games
and you've got these upsets happening in all over the state,
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you know, it's really exciting football.
Speaker 5 (49:25):
Well, and I and all those things are helping us
and helping our listeners, and I hope everybody uh tunes in.
Speaker 6 (49:32):
And you know what else, Hey, if.
Speaker 5 (49:34):
We were wrong in one of our picks, Hey blast
us on social media Saturday morning.
Speaker 6 (49:40):
Come get it. It's all right with us. You'll take it.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Don't forget to sign on or listen to Mix's historical
segment right after we sign off.
Speaker 5 (49:49):
Here you got this week. Yeah, I did want to
say this. Our our guests next week will be Larry Votte.
It's gonna be our Thanksgiving episode that's gonna air Thanksgiving night,
seven point thirty. And then are we've got another anonymous
tough topic. I'm just gonna get I'll just I'll tell
you this much about it. This is from an extremely
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frustrate that's not me. It's not me, Okay, that's an
extremely frustrated head coach right now.
Speaker 6 (50:17):
It says, how do.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
You build mental toughness in a society that increasingly removes
obstacles from kids?
Speaker 6 (50:23):
So that will be our anonymous tough topic.
Speaker 5 (50:26):
And again you can see why it's anonymous because I
don't think the head coach, which I'm crazy about my
kids at Anderson County, and I think they're trying to
get tougher.
Speaker 6 (50:35):
And there's there's no complaints for me on that.
Speaker 5 (50:38):
But I love that question and I understand why it's anonymous,
and uh, I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward
to your answer too, and it'll be good.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Appreciate you, Appreciate you all. Tune it in. We'll see
you next week.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
Sports, and in particular, high school sports, are woven into
the fabric of Americanahigh school sports are part of the
DNA of communities across the country, and that is certainly
true in Kentucky. Fans know the stories of the big names,
but there are many names and many stories that have
been lost to history. This series highlights those forgotten heroes.
(51:22):
Welcome to this edition of Forgotten Heroes. I'm your host,
Mack Yoakum. The Fall of nineteen seventy five needs to
be remembered as the season that changed high school football
in Kentucky. The Fall of nineteen seventy five saw thirty
five new head coaches. Some were veterans just changing schools
and some were brand new head coaches. To Sales had
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a new head coach, Jim Kennedy had left the University
of Louisville to go back to the high school level.
He had won two state titles and had a runner
up finished at Trinity, and he had gone nineteen and
two in two seasons at Flageay and he had a
state runner up finished there as well, but he's not
our story. At Somerset, John Kine replaced his brother Ron,
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and while that's an interesting angle, that's not our story either.
Fred Marianni left Beechwood for Harrison County, and who would
have thought something like that? And he was replaced by
a Bernie Barr who would go on to win a
state title a few years later. But that's still not
our story. Pat Dale left Danvill from Montgomery County and
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he was replaced by Steve Harmon.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
On the Admiral Sideline, and.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
That's a nice story, but that's still not the one
we're featuring today. The legendary Ben Pumphrey took over at
Nicholas County, and while I should do a story on
coach Pumphrey, he's not our feature here. At Ludlow, Randy
Reese was the new head man and he won the
first of his three state titles in nineteen seventy five,
but that's not our story. James Matthews took over at
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Franklin Simpson in nineteen seventy five and he took Franklin
Simpson to the title game that year. He would later
win two state titles and had two runner up finishes.
That's a great career, but still not our story. Bryan
station assistant Lynn Ray headed north and took over a
struggling Covington Catholic program. That first year he had eighteen players,
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but of course he would go on to win two
hundred and thirty two games in five state titles, but
that's still not our story. At Harrisburg, Alvis Johnson was
getting his start. The Pioneers, led by stars Henry Parks,
Venus Mewks, George East, and Gary Johnson, went eleven and
two and started the Johnson dynasty. But that's still not
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our story. Our story takes place August twenty ninth, nineteen
seventy five. That was the date that changed Kentucky high
school football. Breathett County had a new first year head
coach by the name of Dudley Hilton, and an hour
away at Prestonsburg, they had turned to their native's son
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in Tates Creek assistant Philip Haywood to take over the
black Cat program. On that August night in nineteen seventy five,
the two future coaching icons squared off at Prestonsburg. Two
William Goebel touchdowns led the Blackcats to a twenty to
six win over Breathatt County, the first win in a
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career for Philip Haywood that has seen him win four
hundred and ninety games, appear in fourteen state title games,
and win eight state titles. He would take Dudley Hilton
a few more games to get that first win. He
got that first win in an eighteen to twelve win
over East Carter in the eighth game of the season.
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That win over East Carter was the first of his
four hundred and forty three wins. And of course he's
had five appearances in the state title and he's won
three of them. Now, I'm not sure what the attendance
was in Prestonsburg on August twenty ninth, nineteen seventy five,
but I'm betting that over the years, as Philip Haywood
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and Dudley Hilton became the two all time winning his
coaches in state history, a lot of people swear they
were at that game. Oh and that coaching class of
nineteen seventy five went on to make forty five appearances
in state title games and they won twenty four state titles.
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Is it the most consequential and influential year in Kentucky
high school football? Who knows, but that ripple effect from
nineteen seventy five is still going strong today.
Speaker 8 (56:00):
That does.
Speaker 3 (56:12):
Not six.
Speaker 8 (56:46):
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Coach David Buchanan coach Chuck Smith, two legendary high school
football coaches. This is the Coach's Office, a behind the
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scenes look at Kentucky high school football.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And Welcome to the Coach's Office Behind the scenes with
Chuck Smith and David Buchannan. This is season three, episode fourteen,
so we're fourteen weeks into this thing now. I'm Chuck Smith.
I'm joined by co host David Buchanan, podcast editor, flashback
storyteller Yoakam, and Noah King is our social media manager
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our YouTube version. You can access our YouTube version of
this podcast at teacock T dot C, dot O, dot P.
If you do that, then hit you know, subscribe and
like and it really helps us out. I'm really really
excited about our show tonight. We have one of my
former players that played linebacker for me when I was
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at the University of Kentucky, Braxton Kelly, is now the
head football coach at Banneker High School in Georgia. It
will be it'll be a lot of fun catching up
with Braxton. I'm really excited about that. We'll bring him
on here shortly. We have our tough topic question, which
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is anonymous again this week. If you exchange video with
a coach, is it ethical to send that video to
another opponent. Uh, that's an interesting question. I'm looking forward
to that. One games of the week, we will pick
the regional finals. This is the regional final. This is
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round three, and we David and I will pick who
we think the regional champs will be. You know, that's
kind of hit or missed For me. I'm pretty not
I'm not very good at picking those, but I'm gonna
give it a shot.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
David's pretty good at it. Actually, he's pretty Uh, he's
pretty accurate. Now let's talk a little bit about Braxton. Braxton,
as I said, is the head football coach of Banneker
High School in Georgia. He played high school at Lagrange
High School in Lagrange, Georgia. He won three state championships
as a player.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
He played his college football at the University of Kentucky. Uh.
His linebacker coach with Chuck Smith. I had to I
had to slide that in there. He started. He started
all four years as a linebacker at the University of Kentucky.
I think it two thousand and eight. He was a
second team All SEC. He's remembered by Big Blue Nation
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for that fourth and two tackle against against then the
number one ranked LSU Tigers, and Braxton made that four
fourth and two tackle in overtime to win the game
for US Man. That was exciting at they just been
putting that on social media, that clip. That's pretty that
was a pretty exciting day. He played in the NFL
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for the Dinver Broncos before ending his professional career career
with a knee injury. He was an assistant at Banneker
for I believe two seasons before taking over as the
head football coach in twenty twenty one. He's a young
head coach that's learning the trade. He can help our listeners,
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our young listeners by giving us a young perspective. So
that's really what I'm excited about. He's a great young man,
he really is. He lovesootball. He's he's very passionate about football.
He always has been. I think that's why he was
such a great player.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
He's one of my all time favorites. Uh, David, you
want to bring bracticing on.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
I really do it, and you know already before we've
got I really like the dynamic that we were able
to see, which is that it's obvious that coach Chuck
Smith is extremely proud of you, Braxton, and uh, that
is that is that's really sort of one of the
dynamics that has had us in this for so long.
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And while we're still doing a podcast, I'm just glad
that we're doing this by YouTube video and Google link
because if not, he would n't spit all over both
of us.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
I mean now, but uh.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Hey, we're we're I think we're protected by the screen.
But again, uh, it's really neat and you can tell
how proud your old coaches of you.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
And hey, thank you so much for making time to
be honest.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
And I can tell you this, Sid Man, this is
a big deal for our kentuc you Wildcat football fans.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
This is this is great. Dad, Brashton, Kelly, thank you
so much.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
Thank you for having me. Thanks so much. Coach Coach
kind of mentioned a couple of things too. Uh he
left one thing. I was at Clark Atlanta for six
years as well as a coach. That's one thing that
kind of kind of kind of skipped over. But thanks
for the introduction. It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, and uh, let me start off with some of
the questions. With the first question here, I'd like to know,
you know, really what what is your defensive philosophy? You know,
how do you like to attack attack these modern spread offenses.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
It really depends on what kind of system they're running. Defensively, though,
I always want to be on a tap mode. I
don't want to see they kind of just oh what
are they doing with it? And now we want to
find out what they're doing with game planning for them.
But as far as we don't teach on telling the
kids what we're going to do and the players, they
have to know what we're doing. What are we gonna
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roll the coverage it to trips? Are we gonna play
this two by two? We're gonna be too split safety.
Are we gonna roll earlier, We're gonna roll late. It
all depends on what their team's kind of giving us. Uh.
When we see teams that are throwing a bunch of
deep routs uh and kind of trying to get the
ball deeper down the field, I try to bring some
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pressure because I.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Feel like if you make the quarterback uncomfortable, you.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
Have a much better chance to win the games. And
if being a tight coverage is something that I like
I like man to man coverage, which you can't always
run man and man coverage if you don't have those
guys that can do it. And kind of with the
r PO systems and things now sometimes that all kind
of it's kind of good to being the man and
man based on leverage, but at the same time, you
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got a quarterbacks that can pull their ball and run
the ball, you'll be kind of put in a predicament
where you're kind of you're kind of reacting instead of
actually being the aggressed. So I try to I try
to make sure that we have attacked the attack the
slide protection, attacking the protections where they're center snapping.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
When that center snaps the ball, which way is he looking.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
I want to make sure I have numbers in the
UH in the rest game as far as attacking the quarterback,
and as far as the spreading.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
System in the run game, it's not there.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
Hard to me. The back is on the right, they
probably running left. They might run a cup counters or
something like that. But when the forthwide, when they're with
with with one tight end, it kind of simplifies the
run game for you. But they have a lot more
pass stuff that they can do excellent.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Actually, do you call the defense or are you just
a head coach?
Speaker 7 (07:51):
I call the defense as well, That's why you say that.
But I call the defense as well. Defense be running
four three, but sort of with two before two five
principles as well. So we we do walk that sund
back around and he has to be able to cover.
But we pretty much run a lot of actually when
we ran in college as well.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
So that's that's what I was gonna ask you. Have
you drawn Have you drawn most of your scheme philosophy
from your high school days, your college days, or your
NFL basettle?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
That's a little bit. I would say a little bit
of everything, because.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
I've learned so much over the years that to only
take things from when from.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
One level will be will be wrong.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
Uh, I learned a lot in high school, a lot
in college, and a lot in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Some of when it comes to, uh.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
What we do defensively, we run a lot of cover
foard things like that. There's some of the stuff that
we got that I got from college. The way we
do it now, I will say this the back end
and the secondary it took a lot. It took a
lot of studying to learn exactly what to do, because
I ain't sure to know everything about the secondary before
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calling coverage to a front.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
On those fronts, you know characters have to match up. Well,
you can't do it.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
But I would say most of my stuff would be
from because of what we face, would be from college
and NFL more than what we did in high school.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Because in high school was more of a bear for
I mean it was before.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
For defense, Like you can't really warn that versus should
you ever give your linebackers the green light that's gonna
make plays?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
You would give it to you.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
I didn't get the green like you, but I definitely do. Coach,
I'm like, but I always go back. I always use
what you say. Now, if you don't make the play,
you're wrong. Heck of a job.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
But I definitely I have a linebacker.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
This is really he was saying.
Speaker 7 (10:16):
This past season, he had about one hundred and thirty tackles.
He was one of those players that I kind of
let go, let flow to the ball and just make plays.
He had about six forced fumbals, interception, a bunch of
tackle for losses. So he's one of those kids that
I was able to kind of do that with. But
he is only one uh that was just on this
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past this past year's team that could do that. He's
a big time leader. He was there every day, he
never missed anything. Having that kind of kid around and.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
It's great. Yeah, it's due to have somebody like that.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
You know, it's neat to hear you talk about your
different experiences and what you're doing on defense. Now you
know your your old coach played for Charlie Bailey at
the UK. Mhmally that defense has really sort of spread
all over high schools in Kentucky because so many people
have copied off of from when Chuck was in high school.
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I mean there's Charlie Bailey versions of his defense all
over the place. It's neat to think about. You know,
now that's you. You know, now that's you using what
you learn from him. And you know, you guys talk
a little bit about the defensive part of it. So
now I want to get more into the leadership piece
of it. What are things that you learned from coach
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Chuck Smith that UK that you apply now as a
high school head coach?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
What what?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
What are things that he did that that you can
apply now? Is the head football coach Man.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
The biggest thing that I think I learned from him
was just being consistent. Don't always don't be trying to
change up things every day, like because us as coaches,
we can all feel like there's something new out there, right,
there's something new, somebody else said do this, somebody else
said do that, But we have to remember as a coach,
and I think me and him had this conversation was
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now really go too much. Fact, we had a conversation
about one of the coordinators when I was actually gain
at Kentucky that it was just like, hey, the kids
have to be able to learn this stuff, so.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
This is this is wrong man.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
It's just people that uh that are that are that
are in the coaching circle, that are sitting in front
of a computer all day, that have all these odd
ideas and can get all of this information from other places.
We have to remember that those students don't have those
students and those players don't have the same amount of
time that we have. So making sure that the players
learn the things that we can teach them and don't
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throw a thousand things at them. That's what I learned
from Coach Smith that really I think is helping my team.
I don't have to sit there and be like, hey,
we gotta do this versus every single thing they do. No,
let's do what we do well, get better at that,
and then as we get better, we can add things.
But what we can't do is throw something brand new
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at these boys every single day and inspect them to
pick it up, because they're going to be just as
confused as the next coach is going to be confused.
Because I've been in some of those means where I
was confused. So when it comes to this is what
I this is what I learned from him. Don't try
to do don't try to over coach I guess what
you said, don't over coach it.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Yeah that's good.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Let them just make it simple and let them play. Yeah,
that's what I want, uh think said. My next question
is you play for legendary high school football coach Steve
or do and uh, what is the one thing that
he did that you believe in and feel like you
must instill in your program at Banner.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
I feel a lot of the coach. It was physicality
That was number one my time at Lagrange High School.
Every single year that I played, we were number one
defense in the state. So defensively, I believe in hitting. Now,
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the games changed a lot, right it was it was
one of those you come across the middle, you knock.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
His head out. No, I can't said to do that anymore.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
But I still feel like if we teach football that
way until they call it, it's legal me and they
call it, hey, you might have to pull out and
they might cost us fifteen. We can't get on a
targeting or anything like that. Don't anybody get thrown out
of the game. But like we have to be physical.
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Physicality in this sport still wins. So if we're able
to do that, I feel like that's what That's something
that part of taught me to be physical.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Hit somebody in the mouth every single play.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
If you playing defensive line linebacker, you shouldn't be able
to hit somebody in the mouth.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Everything can play.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
If you're an on lineman, you should be hitting somebody
in the mouth every single play. Let skill players play ball,
all right, So that part of the game. I feel
like if every team is able to do that and
win the physical battle, as we always say they can
take it, win the physical battle, you have a better
chance of winning the game. If you can run the ball,
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you have a better chance of winning the game. So
that's what I kind of hang my hat on, being
able to run the ball and play tough defense when
we got the players obviously, but kind of thing that
defensive line this year, but things like that, that's kind
of what I teach, Like, that's win up front, let's
be physical and in the fourth quarter, physicality always wins
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take over being able to run the ball.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I say, of the games I've ever played in in
the most physical team has won the game, for sure.
I believe in that wholeheartedly.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
A coach ay, so, uh, you know again, you know,
I mean, I thought Chuck had a great point about,
you know, having a younger head coach and a younger perspective.
And you know, the other thing you bring to us is, uh,
you know, you've got NFL experience. You're in a high
school in Georgia. You know, we're in Kentucky. So I'm
really curious what trends do you see emerging in the
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game of football. You know, for example, are you seeing
more zone or man coverage, You're seeing more under center
or shotgun, more no huddle or huddle, or is there
anything else you're seeing the game sort of evolved to.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
I mean, give give a couple of old guys that
heads up here, what what a rise in the game
of football? What's coming down the road?
Speaker 7 (16:56):
So what I see a lot of now is especially
dealing with some of the really good teams in my area.
We have a few teams that are doing the r
PO stuff and the way they're doing it.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
I used to think that the r.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
PO was always away from the run the way the
run was going, but then I started some teams actually
hit the r P O and theveryadon the French side. Uh,
linebackers as well. Those plays right there are tough, Like
those are the toughness you don't really know unless you
go into some type of clinic where somebody has his
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master Like you're not gonna be able to just call
plays and be like, hold up, what do I do next?
Like you have to have a plan and going into
the and going in playing. When you playing teams like.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
That, uh, it's a We play a lot of man coverage.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
We trying to I try to load the box is
best as I as best as I can. But when
you have those type of plays and you don't have
discipline eyes, you're dead. So with the RPO game, with
the zone and then that backer fields that gap, he
throws the ball right betime in that backer's ear. If
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you're in some kind of three or something like that,
those are the players that are really hurting us, that
are hurting everybody, to be honest with you, because you
can't be right, per se, you can't be right.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
You just have to hope that one of your guys
gets through and make a play.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
You have to make that make sure that hopefully that
the defensive back is in good coverage and good leverage.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
As we know, if you don't hold your.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
Leverage, no matter what coverage you're in, you're gonna get killed.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
So with those rbos with those slants and things like that,
and you see those backers flying down here, that opens
up that zone for the slant.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
So those are the plays that.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
Like when you told tell Tho DBS, don't worry about
what's in the backfield. You got to make sure you
stay in your at your leverage and then your coverage
so we can make those plays and make those tackles
on those Those are the players that are uh that
are causing problems. It's not necessarily all.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
The deep routes and stuff like that. Those are all's
gonna be the same.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Catch the ball, drop back, throw deep balls and corner
routs and uh deep posts and things like that.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
But it comes out.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
It comes when you're you know, they're reading guy. It's
sort of like the same thing when you were talking
about triple option, Like a guy that's iron blocked, and
he's iron blocked, but we're reading him, so you think
he thinks he's open to make the play. Were just
reading him, and we're gonna pitch off of him, or
we're gonna do this off of him if he doesn't
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do that. So it's just it's just taking a triple
option and putting a passing game uh aspect to it.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
That makes it a lot harder.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
And the biggest difference is those become big game, big
touchdown players sometime, especially when those safeties start biting up
on the rock.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
It's really go.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Ahead, David Well, I just I really like your answer
because he equates it with the spread option, and I
really look at all this you know r PO. To me, however,
you want to slice an RPO and so forth, I
think you got to figure out a way that you
can be option sund And if you Saund, I just
think you almost have to approach it like that because,
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like what you're saying, if you're not option sund, this
r P R r PO stuff will just have your
head spinning the entire game. I mean, you've got to
find a way to get to find assignments one way
or another. And I need to let Chuck talk. He
knows way more about playing good defense than I do,
and you do as well.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Bratwitch, Where are you gonna say.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I learned for him?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
So I'm just gonna say, in today's football it's really
really hard to be a dominating defense anymore because all
the rules are have been you know, swayed towards the offenses,
and you know, with the check with me, after they
see what you're in, they see your blitz, they check
with me, they can make a call from there. The
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r P O, all that stuff is just making it
harder and harder. Just see great defense. Just I say
all the time that you you really now in today's football,
you really judge a defense. Stop about how many points
they give up, but how many stops they get in
the game. Yes, and your offense better be able to
score because if they can't score, you're not going to
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win it. Today football, I.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Won one hundred percent agree with that. You have to
make those stops.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
And then it's it's complimentary football because we all want
to shut out. But those aren't always especially in today's football,
those aren't.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
There's those. They don't happen every week.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
So if the scor is thirty eight, like when did
you make this stop in the fourth quarter, this ley
on determine who won that game. So I one percent
agree with with that with their take coach, because the
way these teams are able to move about. Wait, then
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I'm gonna say it is about their RFO.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I hate the r PO, but.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
I love it at the same time because the referee
never call a.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Legal man downfield on RPO.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Never never going to either.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
They're never going to call it, and I'm sitting there,
sitting there watching it on the film. This is the
worst thing. The worst thing I hate about football is
on well Saturday morning. Well, I watched it a night
on Friday night.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
On Friday night.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
When I go back and watch their film and I
see four or five plays with it lineans downfield and
they completed the ball, there should be a flag.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
They gonna get it.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Practice.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Got the last question here for you. Uh, you know,
it takes time to build a program and to get
the culture at the level that that you want and
you expect as a head coach. You know what is
the single most important thing you feel you need to
change culturally at at to get Banneker Football where you
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want where you want them. And I know it takes
the Jimmies and the Joe's. You got to have the athletes.
You gotta have the players. I get that, But I'm
talking about culturally. You know, what's the one thing you
feel you need to change? You know, is it is
it in the weight room?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Is it confidence? Is it discipline?
Speaker 6 (23:17):
You know?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
What do you what do you feel the one thing
is that how do you plan on getting it done?
Speaker 7 (23:23):
If there's one thing, right, there's several Well, if there's
one thing that I'm going to say, it's going to
be disciplined, it's one.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
It's one hundred percent discipline.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
Because with discipline, the weight rooms, taking care of the
field stuff, taking care of the academics are taking.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Care of right.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
Uh, the way you are in the community is taking
care of. It's all about this. All boils down the
discipline they're trying to instill the incident.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
All you have to do.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
You have to just keep on, Henry hey Man, where
you're supposed to be class coach, go to class. You
don't go to class. You gotta have a punishment. Like,
those are the things that where I am. It's not
every school. We're different. My school is different. I'm just
being being honest with you. My school is different. We
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have a lot going on, right, We're an impoverished area
where there's a lot of.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Different things going on.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
You got kids that are, you know, not interested in school,
Kids that see a whole other ways to make money, right,
kids that think they can make that money in school.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Right. So when I say that, like.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
Keeping those guys, that's why I love it so much
because I know what I'm doing it's gonna go more
than go way further than the football field.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Right. It's just like each of each one of you
guys have a coach as well, Like.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
You know that what you teach and what you do
and the discipline that you're instilled in your football players.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
It's gonna make them better men. So that's my job,
all right.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Even though I want to win football games and I
know it's gonna take discipline to win those games, it
all has to start with me as a person.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
For first of all, they have to be the person
that they look up to.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
If I don't move, if I don't move right, they're
not gonna move right. If my coaching staff don't move
right and do the right thing, they're not gonna move
the right way and do the right things, all right,
So I have to hold them account. My coaches have
to be on time. My players have to be on
time as well. So if they if those who are
on time I'm not, They're gonna look at me and
be like, hold on, coach, you always talking about us
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being on time. You need I need to be disciplined, right,
So I'm always one of those people like hold on,
I gotta be there.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I can't be late.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
So I have to make sure those guys are the
same way when it comes to coach, Coach mill, what's
that ever?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Late? Don't never?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I loved the meeting when I talked about that all
the time.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
We had a great meeting room. We had a lot
of fun in there.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
And it sounds like you got a good plan, and
I think, uh, I think Banneker or football is in
good hands. I think they're in good hands. You've got
a good plan, You're you're sticking to your play. I
love the discipline part. You know, you're not gonna win
any championships and are gonna win any games on a
consistent basis out without having a disciplined football team.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
One agree with your coach. Yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
See this clip playing all the time now where Nick
Saban talks about when he changed as a coach, he
became Uh. I think because it a transformational coach instead
of transactional. And now, you know, am I here to
benefit the kids? Or am I here to just try
to win? And and you know, and and and I
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think we're all three sort of saying the same thing. Ultimately,
to win championships, that is the best approach. I mean,
you can be a transactional coach and you can win championships.
There that there's guys that.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Have done it.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
But but in the long haul, the transformational coach that
you are, which is helping those kids, I just think
that's longer last thing. I think it's actually in the
long run, it's more.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
Effective and and you know.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
The other thing too, is I think you can stay
at your school longer if you coach like that.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
I think if kids people figure that out.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
And I I.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Tell you what, if you're gonna use kids, you really
better win because I don't think you're gonna be there otherwise.
But you know, if you're if you're trying to help kids,
you're gonna win championships.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
But but you're all still gonna help those young men.
And you uh, I tell you what you've You've inspired
me tonight and I'm glad that you're talking about you know,
why you coach and your approach and uh man, I'm.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Just fired up.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
I hope there's Fraxicton Kelly's coaching high over the United
States because we're gonna have.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
A uh it's gonna be a better country.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
And uh a lot of young men are gonna be
helped if they'll approach it the way that you're approaching it.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
It's sir, that one last like because it kind of
touches when you say that, like, because of course I
have my own son, but I know at the school
that I coach, it's a lot of kids that I
coach that I'm the.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Only father figure.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
They have the same same way that you guys were, right,
you you better my dad away from from home, right,
So it's like it's like I know that, like every
day it's a boy that goes home. He learned something today,
He's going home. He'll see me tomorrow. I tell you
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my I said, y'all see me more. I see y'all
more than I see my own children, I said, And
you have to realize that, Like, well, I'm giving to
you guys. I would like to be reciprocated, but God
put this on my heart to give. So if I'm
gonna keep giving and I'm gonna keep doing, I'm gonna
keep doing what God asked me to do. So my
biggest thing, like, hey, each one of you guys, I
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love you guys. That's why I pour into you. But
I know I know I'm some of their only father,
their five figure, right, just like you guys were as well.
So I have to make sure I'm all standing man,
do what I'm supposed to do because I know even
sometimes those foggy feelings that they do have at the
house probably aren't the best.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Hey, and you got me fired up. I know I
need to shut up.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
But but but there's something you keep going back to
that I think is so important. I hear coaches talk
about wanting to make their kids tough. If you want
to make your kids tough, you have to model toughness.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
And that's what you're about.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Your kids aren't gonna be tough and they're not gonna
do what they should should do if you don't model
that for them. And I really appreciate you sharing that
ingraspment it because I'll see coaches that sort of try
to bully kids into doing what they should, but they're
not modeling what they want out of their kids.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
You're modeling it.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
And then you know what, because you model it, now
you can push a little harder, but when you had
when you push art as a coach, but you don't
model the toughness and the character that you're demanding. I
think a lot of kids he goes in one air
and out to the other and you have no credibility
in my opinion. And again, I've just really fired up
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about how you're coaching high school football. You know what,
for a young man, I think you pretty dag on
ahead of the game.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
I really do. It's been impressive.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Broxen is really passionate, and you could tell about coaching.
He was the same way as a player, very passionate,
very tough, very physical. He had no problem sticking his
face in there, almost tackles. He was one tough sucker.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
RAI.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
We appreciate you being on with us tonight, really do you.
It's good to see you again, you two coachy Bratson,
you were absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Thank you so much. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Thank you so much. Good luck to you, your time.
Hey me on again. I love to do this again.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Thank you, good luck to you, good luck.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Thanks again.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
Hey, so all we go on. And I have to say,
if Branston Kelly hadn't got Chuck Smith written all over him,
nobody does.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
I love that got me fired up. Oh my goodness.
And uh he was like that.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
All of those of the Grange kids were like that.
Wesley Wooder was like that. Even those receivers played offer
they were like that too. I think that's a good
reflection of their head football coach, who is Steve Pardue.
And I'm Steve's a friend of mine. I love Steve
and he's a wonderful coach. He was that he came
to Cantel and coached a few years with We overlapped
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a few years, and I think those kids are a
big reflection of him.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Well, and after being around you the last forty years,
those kids had to be a great fit with you
in that linebacker room. I would love that. Yeah, we
had a great moment there. Yeah, I can imagine. So
all right, So, hey, I've lost track. Did you read
the tough type of yet?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I have not read it.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Go ahead, right, go ahead, you read it.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Oh, it's an anonymous If you exchange video with a coach,
is it ethical to send their video to another opponent?
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Yes, all right, my answer is no. That's the question correct,
But an answer is no. So in other words, here's
what I'm saying. If I'm getting ready to play South Warren,
you send me your video, and then the week after
us whoever's playing South Warren says, Hey, David, I know
Chuck sent you the South Warren video. Send it to
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us too. I'm not gonna send it. I don't think
you do. I know the videos out there, but I
think if you're professional enough and that's goal enough with
me that you're gonna trade video, I don't think I
should turn around and send it.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
And that's my thoughts on what do you think.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Well, I got a little different approach. I mean, here's
here's what I feel, and I have my reasons. But
if you exchange or you share a video of an
opponent with any coach, you know, say you ask for it,
they asked for it, you shared it with them, you
gave it to them that I think that video becomes
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their property and if they give it to someone else,
then you know, so be it.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
And you know, I don't think. I just don't think
you can worry about what happens to your video after
you exchange it or share, you know, with another coach.
I don't I think that. I think that's on them.
I think that becomes their property. I didn't give it
to them with the intentions of them never sharing it
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or giving it to somebody else. I gave it to
them because they asked for it and it was something
that I think I need. They needed some help and
I wanted to provide them that help and I gave
them that video. And what they do with it from there,
I think is their business. Because in this aid, in
this age of huddle and live streaming, you can pretty
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much get any video on any game that you want
just by searching the internet. So I don't think you
can get you know, tied up or worked up about
you know, what happens to my If somebody asked me
for a video then and I feel like they need
some help, you know, maybe the other coach in exchange
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with them for whatever reason, it doesn't matter. But if
they wanted my tape, then they were needing some help
to get you know, their game plan together or what
have you. That I give it to them. And once
I give it to them, then it's their property. If
if somebody ask for it and they feel like they
need to give it to them, you know, so be it.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
I got you I was.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
I wasn't talking about like if a coach needs video
on a team, I pretty much give my video to anybody.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Or like, let's.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Say this, if I get a copy, if Bowling Green
sends me a copy of South Warren and it's Bowling
Green's copy, then that that doesn't bother me to send
it to them, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
So I don't mind giving other people on my video.
I just I would rather not give it.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
I would rather not give your video to somebody that's
going to play you, I'd rather make them at least
try to exchange.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
But I understand what you're.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Saying, and you know, in this day and age, I mean,
I will say this. I look at it like this
every week. I assume every opponent we play has every game.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I would that's I would think. So. Yeah, so there's
an interesting question. I thought it was a good question,
an interesting question.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Well, you know what's what's fascinating. I put on the
lists are just a couple of days ago that we
were looking for tough topics and we got several.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
And they're all anonymous.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I get some of that.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
I do.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I think that sometimes. That's I mean, I don't have
any problem with that.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Yeah, I like it because I think people are now
more willing to ask real questions that they really want
answers to because, uh, they're not their names got gonna
get connected to it, because you know, if some of
their names got connected to it, people would start looking
at that particular situation. And uh, but I would add
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this too. You know, you and I, because we're older,
we've been doing it for a while. I mean, we
do get a lot of calls from coaches that administrators
about how should we handle this, how should we approach it?
And and I like that for our listeners because you
know what I mean. I don't want to get too
carried away here, but we do call it the coach's
office behind the scenes, and I really like the more
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that it is like the coach's office, and the more
people get to see what it's really like, I think
it makes our podcast better. So I think, yeah, Kensel
keep sending them, so all right, so how do you
want to do these reagion chaps? Do you want us
to go through each game? And you say you got
and I picked who I got?
Speaker 6 (37:34):
Or you want to do all yours? Me do all mine?
What do you? How do you want to do it?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
You still class?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Still by class?
Speaker 6 (37:39):
All right?
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Hey, so hey, I'll do Let me do class A first.
I've got Raceland over Hazard, Pipe Full Oversayer KCD over Newport,
and I guess I'm gonna go with Candbellsville over newcaf
although I'm gonna go Campbell's all over Newcat.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
I'm gonna stop there, all right, Well about you?
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Okay, I've got Raceland as well. I think that'll be
a good game. But it is at Graceland, so that
that's gonna really give them, uh, you know, an edge.
I've got an upset in the next one. I've got Sayer.
I think Sayer's had a great year. I'm not so
sure Pipefele's had a great year. They are playing at
Sayer too, so uh, it's a good trip there. I'm
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gonna pick Sayer over Pifel. Uh in an upset, I
do have.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
K c D.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Over Newport, and I do have Campbellsville over newcat and
that I think that's gonna be a closet game though.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
I agree, all right, so you go first on to a.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Okay, in two A, I've got Mayfield over l c A.
Because l c A has got to travel to Mayfield.
If I'm not mistaken, that's a long trip. They didn't
do fair so they didn't fare so well last time.
I think they went there, and I think that's a
tough place to play. Mayfield's kind of been up and
down this year. I know that's a tough pick, but
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I'm going to go out on the limb and pick
Mayfield over LCA. I'm going to pick Oorsboro Catholic. I
think they're going to win the whole thing. Anyway, I
think they're the best team in it. So they're going
to take care of Monroe County. Beechwood over Martin, I
think there'll be no problem there. And then I'm going
to pick Prestonsburg over Somerset because Somerset's got to go
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to Prestonsburg. It's a tough trip and a tough place
to go, and I'm picking Prestonsburg.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
I got you, all right, So I went with ELCA
over Mayfield, and I went with Somerset over Prestonsburg. Now
the other two, I agree with you Owensbory a Catholic
in Beechwood, but I will admit I thought LCA and
Mayfield were a tough one to pick. In Somerset and Burg, uh,
that was a tough one. And Prestonsburg is somewhat intriguing
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because they have been you know, back when you were
at Boil and I was at Mason, they really had
some good teams and then it's been rough and I
got to do a little quarterback camp up there a
couple of springs ago, but they really have have sort
of re emerged. They got a lot better. And I
still think Somerset will get them. But I think for
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Prestonsburg right now to host a region championship, those guys
have done.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
A great job.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
Yeah yeah, so I'll go ahead, Well, go ahead, that's fine,
all right. So in three eight, I've got Central over Cow,
which here's what's crazy. Central big Cow to win the district,
but Cal has a higher RPI, so the game, even
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though Central is the district champ, they're going to Cal
to play at Cal.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
That's a weird deal.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
In a classic rematch from again twenty plus years ago,
I've got Belfry over Russell. Although Russell's had a really
good season. He one of our podcasts got well two
both were on there. Let's calv has really sort of
bounced back here late in the season. Coach base has
done a good job. I still think Bell County is
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gonna win, and then Hart County continues their thing, and
I picked them over Union County.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, well, I was a little different on a couple
of them. I have Cal over Central because they are
Central is going.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
To go to Cal.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Central beat Cal surprisingly pretty easy the first time.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
I just can't see that happening again. I think that.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Coach Cantrell will will come up with a good plan,
and I don't know. I'm gonna pick cal off In
over Central. I'm gonna pick Belfrey over Russell. I don't
think that'll be a problem for them. I am going
to pick lex Cath over Bail. Lex cath has got
to go to bail. I understand that, but uh, lex
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caf is probably gonna if there are anything like I
think they are, They're going to throw the ball all
over the place, and they usually are really really good
at it, so I'm assuming they are. I think that'll
be tough for Bell to be able to handle. And
then I'm gonna pick Heart over Union. And I was
back and forth on this one. Union is pretty solid
as well, but Hearts seemed to be on a really
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good role right now, so I'm gonna stick with them
and pick herd over Union. I got four, aight, I
could go first, you go, I don't. I don't have
many upsets here. I think I don't think there will
be an upset in this class. I think Corbyn will
beat Ashland, and I think Boyle will beat Covington Catholic,
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and I think Franklin is going to be Marchtown, and
I think Paduka Tilman is going to be beat the sales.
Uh I don't have any any anything that I think
would be an upset here.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
Uh I got the same Four doesn't mean we're right,
but lee are greing four for four an agreement at
least all right. So five A, I've got Bowling Green
over Atherton. I've got Highlands over Pulaski. I've got I
know the d C at South Warren and the head coach.
Speaker 6 (43:30):
They're pretty good.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
I'm gonna go with South Warren over North Bullet, and
I'm gonna go with Cooper over Southwestern.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Well, I've got a little different there. I've got I
do have Bowling Green over Atherton. I think Bowling Green
is very, very talented. Uh I got a lot of
great players and they're gonna be hard to hold. I
got h I do have Pulaski in an upset over Highlands.
I know the head coach of Pulaski, and I just
eight that I also know the head coach of Highlands.
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But I think that, uh, I just think Pulaski is
ready for an upset. I think it would be a
great opportunity. I'm picking Pulaski over Highlands. I'm not going
to pick the South one in North bullet game. I
don't think that's would be professional of me and I
and I and I am going to pick Cooper over Southwestern.
Speaker 6 (44:26):
I got you, I got you.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
That's that's take sixt.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Okay, I've got Trinity over Ballard, and I was kind
of Ballard to surprise me. Uh, they really have. I
thought they were down and out to be honest with you,
to be frank and honest with you. But not Ballard.
I mean they have fall back and but I'm still
going to pick Trinity over Ballard. I think Trinity is
the defending state champion there. They've got uh, they've got
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a lot of players back and uh, I just think
they're the favorite.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
To win it. Right.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yoah has really really been strong coach Engler. It was
one of our guests on here, and man, he has
got them rocking and rowing. I mean, everybody better keep
an eye on Ryle. They've had a great year and
I'm picking them over Central Great Crossing.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
I've got picked.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Over Baron County though Barron County John Myers is done
a great job at Baron and I mean just a
terrific job. But I don't know, I don't know if
they can overtake Great Crossing or not. And then I
had Douglas, Frederick Douglass over Madison Central.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
I got you, Hey, I'm with you on all of them.
Speaker 5 (45:39):
I do want to give a shout out to Zane Johnson,
the quarterback at Trinity. His dad played for me at
Mason County. Zayan was the quarterback last year as a freshman.
We want to stay title. He's a sophomore now. He's
had a great season. But I agree with you Ballard.
Ballard has really turned it on here at the end
they have which Central Harden has too. But I don't
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think it's gonna be good enough for Ryle.
Speaker 6 (46:02):
I think Rale. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
They're a pretty hot team.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Yeah, they really are. I agree with the Great Crossing.
I've got en upset special here. I think Madison Central
is going to get Douglas. I think it's gonna be
a really good game.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (46:19):
I just you know, we scrimmage Madison Central to start
the season, and and I was really impressed with them.
And I won't say I don't want to give away
anything any competitive type of thing, but I just know
a little bit about how I know Douglas does a
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great job. I mean, I mean it's it's incredible the
success they've had. Let me put it, let me phrase
it like this, the way Madison Central operates. If there
can be an upset between the run game and other
ways that they do their preparation, I think Central is
the team that does it. I just I just think
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that that's sort of placed to their hand.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
A little bit.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
And uh but again, I wouldn't be shocked if Douglas wanted.
If they've got an excellent football program and may very
well be the six A state champion. So uh, hey,
I did want to say this. I like that you
went out on a limb there with Owensborough Catholic. You
think will win two A. If I were gonna go
out on a limb right now, uh, which other than Boil,
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I think going out on a limb right now to
say Boil as four A, I don't know that that's
much of a limb.
Speaker 6 (47:34):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
But if I were gonna go out on a limb,
I think I would probably say I think Central, even
though you picked them to get beat, I think Central.
Speaker 6 (47:42):
Is gonna win three eight.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
I wouldn't be surprised. I would be yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
Think this is their team.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
You know, we do an O T A with Central,
and I know that that's your lie and I know
it's there.
Speaker 6 (47:51):
I know we're but but I.
Speaker 5 (47:52):
Will tell you this of the of working and I'm
a hunter Cantwell and Marvin Dancer. That's two of my
favorite people, right, I'm crazy about both of them. But
we've been doing ot as with Central and Marvin for
the last five or six years. I really thought this
year was by far the best team that they've had.
And anotherhing against col I mean that none of this
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is like somebody's a bad Colt or a bad none
of that is none.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Of them how we pick them.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
I do think the state championship that game is the
state championship game.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Yeah, I tell you the Windy Game is gonna win it.
Speaker 6 (48:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (48:31):
I tend to agree with you. I do, And uh,
I tell you what. I sit there and I look
at Well. I mean, I know we're not probably we'll
save some of this for for down the road, but uh,
but I.
Speaker 6 (48:43):
Do think these are some really good games.
Speaker 5 (48:45):
And I think people are gonna there's some good football
to go watch this weekend, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
So yeah, but they were some upsets last week, especially
in six A go.
Speaker 6 (48:57):
Yep, yeah, they really were great, David.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
It's a great time of a year. I mean, there's
a playoff football in Kentucky is just awesome. I mean,
it's it's a lot of fun. It's it's it's great
to go watch it. You know that the fans get
into it, the communities get into it. It's just really special.
And uh, and then when you get into these games
and you've got these upsets happening in all over the state,
(49:22):
you know, it's really exciting football.
Speaker 5 (49:25):
Well, and I and all those things are helping us
and helping our listeners, and I hope everybody uh tunes in.
Speaker 6 (49:32):
And you know what else, Hey, if.
Speaker 5 (49:34):
We were wrong in one of our picks, Hey blast
us on social media Saturday morning.
Speaker 6 (49:40):
Come get it. It's all right with us. You'll take it.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Don't forget to sign on or listen to Mix's historical
segment right after we sign off.
Speaker 5 (49:49):
Here you got this week. Yeah, I did want to
say this. Our our guests next week will be Larry Votte.
It's gonna be our Thanksgiving episode that's gonna air Thanksgiving night,
seven point thirty. And then are we've got another anonymous
tough topic. I'm just gonna get I'll just I'll tell
you this much about it. This is from an extremely
(50:10):
frustrate that's not me. It's not me, Okay, that's an
extremely frustrated head coach right now.
Speaker 6 (50:17):
It says, how do.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
You build mental toughness in a society that increasingly removes
obstacles from kids?
Speaker 6 (50:23):
So that will be our anonymous tough topic.
Speaker 5 (50:26):
And again you can see why it's anonymous because I
don't think the head coach, which I'm crazy about my
kids at Anderson County, and I think they're trying to
get tougher.
Speaker 6 (50:35):
And there's there's no complaints for me on that.
Speaker 5 (50:38):
But I love that question and I understand why it's anonymous,
and uh, I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward
to your answer too, and it'll be good.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Appreciate you, Appreciate you all. Tune it in. We'll see
you next week.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
Sports, and in particular, high school sports, are woven into
the fabric of Americanahigh school sports are part of the
DNA of communities across the country, and that is certainly
true in Kentucky. Fans know the stories of the big names,
but there are many names and many stories that have
been lost to history. This series highlights those forgotten heroes.
(51:22):
Welcome to this edition of Forgotten Heroes. I'm your host,
Mack Yoakum. The Fall of nineteen seventy five needs to
be remembered as the season that changed high school football
in Kentucky. The Fall of nineteen seventy five saw thirty
five new head coaches. Some were veterans just changing schools
and some were brand new head coaches. To Sales had
(51:43):
a new head coach, Jim Kennedy had left the University
of Louisville to go back to the high school level.
He had won two state titles and had a runner
up finished at Trinity, and he had gone nineteen and
two in two seasons at Flageay and he had a
state runner up finished there as well, but he's not
our story. At Somerset, John Kine replaced his brother Ron,
(52:05):
and while that's an interesting angle, that's not our story either.
Fred Marianni left Beechwood for Harrison County, and who would
have thought something like that? And he was replaced by
a Bernie Barr who would go on to win a
state title a few years later. But that's still not
our story. Pat Dale left Danvill from Montgomery County and
(52:26):
he was replaced by Steve Harmon.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
On the Admiral Sideline, and.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
That's a nice story, but that's still not the one
we're featuring today. The legendary Ben Pumphrey took over at
Nicholas County, and while I should do a story on
coach Pumphrey, he's not our feature here. At Ludlow, Randy
Reese was the new head man and he won the
first of his three state titles in nineteen seventy five,
but that's not our story. James Matthews took over at
(52:53):
Franklin Simpson in nineteen seventy five and he took Franklin
Simpson to the title game that year. He would later
win two state titles and had two runner up finishes.
That's a great career, but still not our story. Bryan
station assistant Lynn Ray headed north and took over a
struggling Covington Catholic program. That first year he had eighteen players,
(53:16):
but of course he would go on to win two
hundred and thirty two games in five state titles, but
that's still not our story. At Harrisburg, Alvis Johnson was
getting his start. The Pioneers, led by stars Henry Parks,
Venus Mewks, George East, and Gary Johnson, went eleven and
two and started the Johnson dynasty. But that's still not
(53:37):
our story. Our story takes place August twenty ninth, nineteen
seventy five. That was the date that changed Kentucky high
school football. Breathett County had a new first year head
coach by the name of Dudley Hilton, and an hour
away at Prestonsburg, they had turned to their native's son
(54:00):
in Tates Creek assistant Philip Haywood to take over the
black Cat program. On that August night in nineteen seventy five,
the two future coaching icons squared off at Prestonsburg. Two
William Goebel touchdowns led the Blackcats to a twenty to
six win over Breathatt County, the first win in a
(54:22):
career for Philip Haywood that has seen him win four
hundred and ninety games, appear in fourteen state title games,
and win eight state titles. He would take Dudley Hilton
a few more games to get that first win. He
got that first win in an eighteen to twelve win
over East Carter in the eighth game of the season.
(54:45):
That win over East Carter was the first of his
four hundred and forty three wins. And of course he's
had five appearances in the state title and he's won
three of them. Now, I'm not sure what the attendance
was in Prestonsburg on August twenty ninth, nineteen seventy five,
but I'm betting that over the years, as Philip Haywood
(55:07):
and Dudley Hilton became the two all time winning his
coaches in state history, a lot of people swear they
were at that game. Oh and that coaching class of
nineteen seventy five went on to make forty five appearances
in state title games and they won twenty four state titles.
(55:31):
Is it the most consequential and influential year in Kentucky
high school football? Who knows, but that ripple effect from
nineteen seventy five is still going strong today.
Speaker 8 (56:00):
That does.
Speaker 3 (56:12):
Not six.
Speaker 8 (56:46):
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