September 25, 2024 • 75 mins
The coaches guest is Corbin coach Luke Salmons.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Coach David Buchanan.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Coach Chuck Smith, two legendary high school football coaches. This
is the Coach's Office, a behind the scenes look at
Kentucky high school football.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Welcome to the Coach's Office Behind the Scenes with Chuck
Smith and David Buchanan. This is season three, episode six.
I'm Chuck Smith. I'm joined by co host David bu Cannon,
podcast editor, storyteller Mike y Oakum, and then our social
media manager is Noah King. Our YouTube version of this
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If you do that, we have we have a fantastic
show for you tonight. Uh. We have Corbin head football
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coach Luke Salmon's as our guest coach. He's coached in
both West Virginia and Kentucky and we're really looking forward
to bringing him on here shortly. Our tough topic for
the night is by William Blair, a head football coach
at Madison Central, and his question is should coaches receive
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more compensation since their jobs have become year round instead
of seasonal? And I'm interested to hear what you say
about that, David. I know you'll be buss that you're
coaching again and you're trying to get every time that
you could get. But we'll get to that in just
a second. Games of the week. We got Pulaski and
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South Laurel Boy, that'll be a good game just because
of Johnny Hines being from Pulaski and then going to
South Lawa. That'll be a really interesting game. And then
we got Manuel and Cal and of course I know
a lot about Manuel. Now we're gonna bring coach Salmon's
on here at just a second. Let me give you
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a little bit about his background. As I said, he's
the head football currently the head football coach at Corbin
High School. This is his first year there at Corbin.
He spent the previous thirteen years as.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
The head football coach at Cable Midland, West Virginia, and
there he was one hundred and eighteen and thirty seven
in those thirteen seasons.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
That's pretty impressive. Two state runner ups during that thirteen years.
He played college football at Marshall from nineteen ninety nine
to two thousand and three, and before all that, he
was before he went to West Virginia. He was the
head football coach at Lawrence County in Kentucky and he
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was there for he was head coach there for three seasons.
He was twenty one and fifteen in those three seasons,
and his twenty and fourteen was twelve and one, So
pretty impressive. Pretty impressive. Presume there, David, you want to
bring on Coach Salmons.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
And Coach Hey, we really appreciate you making time to
be on here tonight. And I've got to meet coach
through some different quarterback things. His son, Mason is a
very good young Quarterback's got a very bright future, and
I've got to meet him through some things like that.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
And we're excited to have you back in Kentucky.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
And know, besides love and Anderson County football and Mercer
Paris and Mason, I love Kentucky High school football and
the day we got you back in in the Bluegrass
State was a big day. So a coach, thanks for
being here and thanks for joining us tonight.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
You know, Kentucky's great and that's why I wanted to
come back. You know, I love Kentucky High School football.
And you know, I'm from West Virginia, but I started
in Kentucky and me and my wife, you know, we
we always wanted to be back, and you know, Corvin
gave me the opportunity, so we're excited.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Pretty impressive program there too. You've got a good program.
And anyway, coach, I've got the first question for you.
And I've read where you like for your teams to
be physical, and I was wondering if you could share
with the listeners, you know, how do you insteal that
mentality in your players?
Speaker 7 (04:55):
Well, I mean our off season, you know, I mean
I came late, and but and that was always the
thing in the back of my mind is you know,
our off season, I think is as good as anybody's.
We train at a high level.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You know, we compete, We you know, we you know,
we kids love it. You know.
Speaker 7 (05:16):
It's a culture of toughness and mental toughness and working
together and and you know, just I feel like usually
by the time we get the season, you know, we
don't need to do anything else but practice football and
uh and so you know, and Corbunari had a lot
of that in place, so it's not like I had
to change everything, but the toughness part is a daily thing.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You know.
Speaker 7 (05:38):
It's just like today, you know, I feel like today
was our best practice we've had all year because the
kids were tough and they're getting better. I see it
every day and it's a thing that you know, when
I talk to them about toughness, toughness is not talking
about it. It's about being about it. And to me,
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you know, that's how you play the game. That's how
you do everything.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
You know. You know, you know being a good teammate, you.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
Know, communicating, lining up, you know, fundamentals doing your job,
and you know getting to the football and you know,
just every little details being tough and you know, coming
off the football at a high level and playing that.
You know, just all those things that toughness and tells
is to me, is the number one thing about football.
And you know, that's what we're we're we're instilling here
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and and I'm excited about that. I love the process
of that, and I love the off season. I love
the whole process from you know, the whole year. And uh,
you know, I'm having fun.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
So you get a lot of that stuff done in
your mind during the off season with different Yeah, and
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, I think so. I think, you know, I think
every kids in a process, you know.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
I think you know, when you get them as freshmen,
you know, some of them are maybe more advanced, but
you know, we've had college players that didn't even get
to play freshmen, but eventually as throughout the years of
believing and working and being tough, you know, you know,
and doing their job and working every day, and you know,
it means so much to them that I believe that
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you know, you can you can make players good to
great and average players good. And I think that's their
job as coaches is to develop kids and the great
people and you know, and hardworking people that you know
that football wins and losses will take care of itself.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
But I think every day.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
I think in twelve years at Middland or thirteen, I
missed one day in the weight room, and you know,
so it was very I just think the weight room
and competing and you know that all those things that
people talk about culture, I think it's I think it's
an everyday thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I think it's an everyday thing of being tough.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
Told you I appreciate that answer. I mean, there's I
think there's a lot of wisdom there are, coach, We'll
get from that. Uh, you know, my my first question
for you is the what's the biggest difference you see
in Kentucky high school football as opposed to West Virginia.
And then it's sort of little side note, since you
know you're moving from one to the other. How's the
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move gone for Mason? You know, he's a really good
quarterback and I know he's playing defense now, So what's
the difference in the two states? And you know, how
how's Mason doing with all this?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Well?
Speaker 7 (08:26):
I think whenever we went to West Virginia, I felt
like we had a big hand in changing the game.
I mean I don't ever say that like to a
lot of people, but I felt like how we worked
and how we trained, and how we you know, from
a college getting kids to college to promoting them to
you know, all those things that you know it takes
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to run a great program. I felt like we up
the standard in that region of high school football from Huntington.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
High to Spring the Valley to Hurricane and we had
to you know, we were.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
I think that first year they were below five hundred
team and we lost our first two or three ended
up winning like nine straight, and then the next year
went to state finals, and then we went on a
run where we only didn't lose very many games at all.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
And then I felt like after that.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Everybody start catched up, so we had to Upperandy even
more so, you know, and then we got back on
it and we lost maybe one or two games in
four years and played tough, tough teams out of state
teams and different people. So I think high school football
there in that area has become really good with a
lot of college players.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And I think Kentucky's the same way.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
I think Kentucky's got great high school football, a lot
of different a lot of different teams, a lot of
tradition rich teams, and a lot of great programs that
has sustained ourselves. And I think there's really good coaches
and it shows and you know, just like our schedule,
we got tough team, you know, and that's what you want.
But I think there's I think the good teams can
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compete with the good teams.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I think it's like that in every state, to be honest.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
We played teams out of Ohio and different teams you
know that ranked number two and number one in Class
two of Ohio and went down to the last play,
you know. And so I think there's good football. I
think it's become better all across the country. I think
there's better. I don't want to say better coaches, but
I think there's more. There's more stuff available to people
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that they can get, you know, if it's online or
you know their resources are. You know, used to be,
it seemed like if you didn't know something, you could
never figure it out unless someone you know.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So I feel like there's more.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
Knowledge out there and you can't hide anything you know,
and you can't you know, you got it. You ain't
got a secret anymore, you know. So I think you
always got to change, but and adapt. I think that's
the number one thing about coaching, is the ability to
adapt to kids and the ability to adapt to situations.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
And uh.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
But ultimately, I think it's good high school football in
both places. I think Kentucky of course has you know,
more schools and and things like that, so there's probably more,
but you know, there's better if you you know, you're
looking at that, there's better.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Teams as far as more more more schools.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
But as far as Mason, he's done great we knew
when we came here he you know, wasn't going to
be the starter, and you know, he was going to
be the starter at the school, and it was a
different you know, it was a big thing for me
because you know, being at the school for twelve or
thirteen years and your son grew up there and and
all of a sudden, you know, you're going to take
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him away from that. And uh, but Mason was good
with it. I knew in the long run it would
all work out.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
You know.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
He he's behind a great player and he understands that.
But he said, I want to try to play. I said, well,
you can play. He's never really played defense, but he's
always been a quarterback. But he loves it, and uh,
you know, he just wants to be on the field.
So he's done a great job and I'm proud of
him for that. And you know, being around the game
has taught him so much. You know, it's not about him,
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it's about the team. And he understands all that. Being
a coach's sign and he's smart and so he don't
have a great career in whatever he does, and.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
So I'm sure he's very resilient, and uh, this I'm
sure the move has probably been tough, but I think
in the long run it will be probably one of
the best things he's ever been through to grow and mature.
And uh, I wish him the best. I know he's
been impressed when we worked with him. Chuck, I'll go
ahead and let you get the next one.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Then, And David and I can relate to having coach
his sons, so we we favor them. But hey, coach,
you've had several of your assistant coaches move on to
head coaches, move on and become head coaches. Is that
something that you look for when you hire new assistants?
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You know what kind of qualities you look for when
you interview and assistant coaches?
Speaker 7 (13:04):
Well, I mean number one, the number one trade. I
don't care how much football they know. I want them
to be good. I want them to work. I want
the kids to like them, you know. I mean, they
don't have to like them, but I want them to
the kids, you know, I want them to like you know,
to be a person I can trust, to be a
person that the kids want to be around, that they
want to play football, be a part of something. I mean,
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of course, you want a football background, but a lot
of the guys that I've always ran into and you know,
got to be coaches. As you know, I treat a
lot of my coaches the same as my players. You know,
if they work harder, they're gonna have more responsibilities.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You know, I don't just label them.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
You know, a lot of times, a lot of the years,
you know, we lost eight or nine different guys a
head coaching jobs. So that was a hard challenge to
always replace them. And every year it seemed like we
lost two or one or something. And and so I
think it's a challenge to replace them. I mean, it
was hard, and you can never replace them. It's just
trying to find a way to make it work at times.
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So the traits good people. Number one, care about the
kids who want to work and you know, want to
get better.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
And it's no different players. You know, I reward them
based off of.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
What they do the weight room, and so you know,
I always start her coaches the sky's a limit.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
You want to call the plays and go earn it,
go do it. I don't hold them back.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
I don't label them, and some of them take it
and run with it. And then you know, they asked me,
you know, I try to push them to take head
coaching jobs, you know, because I was the same same
guy when I got out of college. I was trying
to find a job, and you know, I think I
always give guys chances and never really had to let
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anybody go. It's always been that they can't handle it
or something. But no one's ever left on bad terms.
It's been more about they can't they don't have the time,
which I understand. But you know, I always hear from
the system that the guys who coached with with me
if they're losing, they call me.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
If I don't hear. That's why I say the other day.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
But but that's funny, But no, it's it's neat. I
think it's a cool thing. And we try to get
together and talk and we help each other a lot,
you know, and and I think that's what it's all about,
the camaraderie. But I love to see them move on
and be successful and I want them to win every game.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Did you get to hire anybody when you want it
came to Corban or was it too late to get anybody?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
It's got too late, you know.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
I brought a couple of guys one when one guy
was at Marshall. He was helping Marshall and he was
like a student assistant at GA.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
But he played for me.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
He he lives with me right now until he gets settled.
But uh, you know, so I got four boys of
my own then Luke in the dining room, you know.
But you know, I mean he's a great kid and
he's a great asset. So we'll always look for you know,
we got some great We got some great coaches already
here at Corban and and they wouldn't be have the
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success they've had if they didn't have some great coaches.
And they're good people and and you know, but we'll
always try to find good coaches.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I think that's one thing that you have to do.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
You always got to try to find a way to
you know, to be you know, very diverse in your staff.
Want you want different people. You know, you don't want
everybody like you. You don't want everybody to be the same.
And I and I want people around that no more.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I don't care.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
I don't have an ego, you know, I just want
them to fit in with the toughness and the work
ethic and the standard of being you know, what it
takes to be great. And but as far as knowing football,
I mean that you want that, you want to surround
yourself people like that.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
Well, hey, so my last question moving towards some football
a little bit, uh the thirty type front with the
four eyes in the odd and then the four two five,
they seem like they're dominant defenses in football right now.
I'm just wondering, is that what you're seeing or are
you seeing something different than those two primary defenses?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
What do you see it? That's what we say. Yeah,
it sounds like that's all we ca.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Yeah, I don't know, it's it's kind of it's different,
but I mean it works.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
But that's that's what we see. You're right. I mean
it's every week it's the same.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
It's very similar, you know, and I think that's that's
how the games become, you know. I mean it's different.
I mean still defense is defense to me. I mean,
like with adjustments and alignment, but it's just how you
line them up.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
But yeah, we see that every week. It seems like
I got you.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Well, I just we like to use this to, you know,
sort of help our listeners sort of stay current. And
you're an excellent coach. You're playing a tremendous schedule, and
I felt like you'd be a really good person to ask.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Absolutely, and you know we'll see different things, but you're right,
it like every week it's the same a lot of
the same scatter.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Yeah, you know, it's sort of liked that.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Back back when we got started, everybody was in a fifty.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
So yeah, coach, I appreciate you being on.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
You've done a great job, and man, we're excited to
follow you at Corbin and Coach, I think you're gonna
tear it up.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
I think you're gonna do a great job.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
I appreciate what you guys do and what you've done
for the state of Kentucky and just everybody.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
You know, it means a lot, and you lay the
groundwork for us.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Thank you for your time.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Coach. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
The question is from William Blair, who is the head
football coach at Madison Central High School and the coach.
The question is should coaches receive more compensation since their
jobs have become year round instead of seasonal? What do
you think?
Speaker 6 (18:51):
I think the answer is yes, I think that's already
happening in the South. It's not happening as much elsewhere,
but it's happening in the South. You know, is there
another activity in a high school that reflects administrations, community,
and overall success of a school system more than the
football program.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
I think it's the last thing that everyone knows about
and sees, especially Friday nights small town USA.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
You know, in Kentucky.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
What I think you see more of is schools are
creative with the coach's daily schedule. You know, they may
not be able to pay him to be the coach,
but it can make his job, you know, more flexible
where he can get some more football things done. He
can still get compensated pretty good. I just I think
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though that I don't know how it's all gonna play out,
but I think that as more and more people understand
how important football is to their community, I think there's
gonna be more people that are going to pay.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Their coach just to be the football coach.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
And one thing that I would add though, that I
think is coming with this is I think the gap
between the haves and the have nots is going to
keep getting wider because I think the people that really
value football and can afford it. They're going to find
a way, whether it's you're just a football coach, or
we can give you a good setup that's going to
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work for you. They're gonna make that happen. And the
places that aren't, they're gonna be teaching a full load
and they're not gonna have much of a stipend. And
I want to mention something here. You know, Bruce Johnson
was a superintendent at Mercer County when they merged, and
you know, Bruce was very supportive of football, and I
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remember hearing him say this one time. He says, you know,
I don't want my football coach teaching AP courses. But
it's not just that I want football to be good.
It's like I want those AP courses be done well.
And he said, a football coach isn't going to have
time to really do that the way that I want
it done. And you know, I just think those pieces.
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I think those pieces that you want in place, I
think you really value those pieces.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
I think at the end of the day, you're gonna
need to pay for them. And I mean that's my
thoughts on what do you think.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Well, I agree with a lot of the same points
that you brought up I have also on my list.
You know, you could probably argue, David, that all teachers
are underpaid. That would be that that would be an argument.
I agree, But there's absolutely no group more underpaid and
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in a high school than the football coaches. Uh. And
I really believe that in states like Texas and Georgia
and in the South, like you said, they've recognized this
and they are compensating their football coaches very very well.
You know, most of them, guys, the head coaches are
making over one hundred I think I've seen with the
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highest paid football coach in Georgia, I think is making
one seventy seven. I think, you know, yeah, that's that's
that's pretty impressive. I mean, and that's uh, you know,
an appreciation of what that coach is able to do
for your school system. You know, they're literally they do
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they literally work year round. You know, there's no off season.
You got the weight program, you got spring practice, et cetera,
et cetera. And then some of the some of the
non coaches, they might say, well, don't do it if
you're not paying for it, don't do the off season,
and don't do the you know, summer program. And spring practice.
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But you know, we all know that people that coach
football that that's not an option because and it's not
that it's not an answer, because these guys and get
fired for not putting the winning product on the field.
You know, they're not going to fire the y club sponsor.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Or.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
They're not going to fire the key club sponsor or,
the cross country coach or the tennis coach. They're not
they're not going to fire them people. But they will
fire a football coach and a basketball coach and even
sometimes a baseball coach.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
So and I would even argue this though a little
bit those other sports, they are more high profile than
some of the other activities. But financially, football is Football
is the only one that financially you have to fire
a guy if it's not getting done. The rest of
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them from a financial standpoint, you could probably live with
less your program in say baseball or basketball, you can't
live with that. In football, you cannot pay your bills.
How much are four hundred bucks apiece?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Right now?
Speaker 6 (24:00):
The four hundred dollars apiece? And it's so high profile
because I mean, I know this sounds sounds bad, I
get that, but the reality is a lot of people
really sort of identify their school with what happens in
that stadium on Friday night.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
I mean, that's that's the identity of their school and
their administration.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
And I think the school system should really look at
it like, you know, we're giving the community entertainment for
Friday night. And you know, that's partly what their tax
dollars is paying for. Because if you look in most
high school stadiums, you know, the stadiums are pretty much
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full in these small communities, small towns, they're full of
that's that is their entertainment. They come to the games
and you know, even if they don't have a child
a SUN plan, they still come to the game and
support it because that's the thing to do in the community.
So I really think the school system should should take
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that approach. You know, we're given you know, for your
tax dollars, We're giving you a good product on Friday night.
And you know, sometimes that's going to take paying a
coach more money. And and my other thought is that
if if as a school system, if you're not going
to help the head football coach out by compensating him
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for the iyers that he's putting in then you really
need to help him by paying the assistant coaches more
because right now that is a major issue in Kentucky
high school football. There is not enough of quality assistance.
And the bottom line is they're just not getting paid
anything at all. You know, the head coach is underpaid,
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but the assistant coaches are probably more underpaid than the
head coaches. And it's really hard to keep them. They're
they're not going to go out there and put that
kind of time in for pennies, you know, on the dollar.
So if you're not going to help him out by
compensating him when he's worth, then at least give the
assistant coaches a pumping salary.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
I agree.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
You know, I'll tell people this. You know, the head
coach probably makes fifty cents an hour. The assistant coaches
make about.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
A nickel hour, is what it comes out to. And
I mean, I agree with you. In Texas and Georgia
has figured it out.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
And yeah, they're still high academics, you know, they're not.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
They're not.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
It's not like they're not kids are not getting into
college for academic scholarships and all that other stuff. It's
it's they recognize that it is a you know, entertainment
for the weekend for their community and their community pools together.
You go to some of these, you go to Corvin,
you go to Bell County, you go to Boyle County.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
You know, these stadiums are packed. That's the entertainment for
the weekend. You know, they want a good product on
the field.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Well, And I think part of what goes with it
is I think that if you can keep, if you
can keep those good football players in your school because
you're offering a good product, I think you have a
better school. I think they're going to provide leadership, They're
gonna do a good job in the classroom for you.
I mean, I need to be careful singling out people,
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but I will single out this one up right now.
I don't think anyone would debate our best football players,
will road it. He plays linebacker and running back. Now
I realize he's exceptional, but he's got a thirty three
on the act. You know what I'm saying. I mean,
he's a really good leader. He's a good person, and
we've got others like him. He's not the only good leader,
good player in our program. But you know, I just
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think that you want those people in your school. And
if you want those people in your school, I think
you're gonna have to have a good football program. I
just I think that.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I think it goes with it and it doesn't come cheap.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
No, no, it's it's not.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
I mean football is a very it is a very
expensive It takes a lot. And that's why, again I
always go back to this, I think football, more than
any other endeavor in a school system, is driven by
administration because ultimately, the administration has got to commit the
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resources and finances to really do it well.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
And you know, I think coaching matters.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
I mean, obviously we think so that's what we've spent
our life doing. So coaching does matter, but your administration
and the facilities and resources, they're in charge of the
big pieces that are really necessary to make it go.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yeah, and most true football coaches would do it for
a little bit of nothing, and actually that's what they
are doing right now. But you know what, they would
do that in Georgia and Texas too, but they don't
have to because the people there recognize how important it is,
and you know, to pay their head football coach what
he's going.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Well, that's why a lot of these Kentucky guys, they
go to Georgia and Alabama and they don't come back.
And you know, they'll tell me, and I don't want
to single out any names, but they'll tell me stuff
like they'll only come back if it's for family.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
For family, they'll come back.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
But they're just like and they'll tell me to day,
you have no idea, You have no idea how different
it is so so right.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
So here we go.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
Let's get into our first game of the week. We've
got Pulaski County and South Laurel, which is the added
feature here. You've got Johnny Hines going back to play
his old team, so I had South Laurel. They're led
by their quarterback, Mason Griffin. He's thrown for about one
thousand yards in four games. West Dall at running back,
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is averaging eighty yards a game rushing a wide receiver.
He's using Garrison Brown, Zach Thomas. West dal On defense
are led by Noah smith uh senior place linebacker. And
you know, Johnny's playing his old school. He had twenty
five years at Pulaski State champs in twenty fourteen state finalists,
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three times region championships, six times. So this is this
is quite a reunion here seeing seeing Johnny across from
Pulaski County.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Oh, it's going to be a dandy. It's going to
be a dandy because of Johnny. You're coaching at South Laurel.
Of it, because on paper, South Laurels has no business
competing with Pulaski County. Pulaski County is is well coached.
Travis Burns is in his first year there, outstanding football coach,
and he will he will get Pulaski County back to
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where they need to be. And he you know, again,
there's no there should be no comparison on paper, but
Travis has had He's got several state championship rings of
his own from Boyle County. Right now, Pulaski County's record
is two and two, but their losses have come to
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Beechwood twenty seven to twenty eight at one point, and
then a good Woodford County team twenty two to thirty one.
So you know they're playing, you know, a very tough
schedule and they're competing with that schedule. So I would
say this, I would say first, and another thing I
would say, though, is and I want to talk about
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their players is a little bit. Their quarterback is Zach Anderson.
He's led the way at that position and is having
a pretty good year. Running back is Cason Brock. He's
their leading rusher, and their leading receivers are Harrison Denmyer
and Ethan Elkline. I think is his last name.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I can't see it right there, but I think that's
his last name. But they've done a They've done a
fantastic job there and I think that one paper, Polassi
County should win this game. But there is a hidden
motivation there and that's that's where Johnny Hines is going
to have his player so fired up because that is
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his old school. And I think that it's going to
probably be a lot closer than most people think just
because of that motivation. I think you're going to have
to throw out the records because there's going to be
you know, South Orlo is going to bring a level
of competitive spirit that they haven't played with in a
long time. Johnny's going to bring that out in them,
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and it should be an interesting game. I think it'd
be a fun game to watch.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I'm with you. I think that.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
You know, I think Plasti County's got the edge and
a Travis is he's an excellent young coach. I also
think Johnny Hines is the reason Plasti County's favored. You know,
he's he did a really good job there. So it
is it'll be a great game. And I know this
one's young ones old, but there's gonna be two awful
good coaches there for sure, without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, And we got Manuel versus Cow and I have
Manuel and I know a little bit about Manuel. We've
got an excellent football team. We got an excellent football coach.
The head football coach is Keith Keith Elklof, and this
is his first season there and he's taken over that
manual program. You know, it's it's a hit. You know,
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it's a very traditional program in Louisville. He came from Seneca,
where he was the head football coach from twenty nineteen
to to twenty twenty three. His night his twenty twenty
two team at Seneca was eight and four, which Seneca
has been down over the years, so that's pretty impressive
(33:49):
record for them. His current record at Manuel right now
is five and zero, and he's he's had some pretty
good wins. Now He's he's at this thing, Roland, You've
got a really nice football team. He his quarterback is
Kayden Mack and you know what he can't do with
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his arm, he does with his feet. He's very quick
and fast and elusive. He's hard to get a hold of.
He's hard to tackle. His top running back is outstanding.
His name is Garian Trayner, and I mean he is
one of the top. He'd be one of the top
running backs in the state. I mean he is downhill, quick, fast,
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make you miss extremely you know, uh, outstanding, outstanding running back.
I'm really impressed with him. His top receivers, I think
the top one is Willis Nofsinger and he is by
far the top receiver. But he's got Braylyn Miles and
Cameron Jesse that do a pretty good job as well.
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He's got a really nice football team. The thing about
this game, though, David, and I think that Manuel's got
an now Sandy team. I know Cal does too, but
I think it will be a close game. But the
thing that has got me a little disturbed is I
thought Manuel was really good last year as well. But
last year Cal beat them fifty four. The thirty six.
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That game really surprised me when I seen that last year,
so I didn't I don't know what happened in that game,
but it'll be interesting to see what happens in this game.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Well, I've got cal and they're led by head coach
Hunter Campwell and their quarterback is Connor Hodge, whose older
brother Cole was their quarterback the previous season, and Connor
was an All State dB last year. His brother is
at East Carolina. Connor has already committed East Carolina, so
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he's got that taken care of as though the runner
and the passer. He's got over seventeen one hundred and
seventeen hundred yards total offense. On defense, he's got two interceptions.
His tipe receiver is Darwin Colton, who's averaging over one
hundred and twenty yards receiving per game, and Hodging Cotton
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both play defense, but their leaders on defense or garry
On Hibbs and Jackson Settle, they leave the team in tackles.
I think they're both really good teams. I think they're
both in the conversation when state titles in their class.
I just think at this point, manual is gonna be
a little deeper, and they can navigate the ups and
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downs of this demanding schedule better than Cal can.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Right now, even when we would.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
Play Cal and they were really good, they're They're not
gonna I don't think I'll be surprised if they've got
the depth at Manual has. You know, just like Connor
and Darwin both playing both sides of the ball. So
I just think that's gonna be really hard to do
against a good Manual team. And and you'l plays really man.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
You plays really good defense. They're very good on defense,
so very very difficult to throw the ball on. I mean,
they're just their DB's are outstanding. They got a nice
football team.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Yeah, so I think it'll be a good game. I
just think Maniel's gonna have a little more depth and
just have a little more gas in the tank right now.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I can't agree with you, but I thought that last
year too, and Cal really put it on them, so
it was I love to know what happened in that game.
But anyway, two good football games. Interested to see how
they turned out. And David, we've got wrapping this show up.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
Yeah, we got next week, well next week, And I
didn't think I didn't realize this how it all played out.
But next week our guest is gonna be another Marshall guy,
Chad Pennington, who's the head coach at Sayer.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
So we'll have Chad. I look forward to having him.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
Our tough topic will be from Marcus Dean And this
is something we touched on and and you know, this
is something that sort of an Anderson County thing right
now too. We're sort of trying to work through it.
And is Marcus's question is at what age should you
football switch from developmental to winning? And Marcus's father in laws,
(38:17):
league Glascock, who coached at Washington County, had a long career,
played for my dad at Boyle So Marcus and Marcus
is a great turf guy. He is a great turf guy.
He knows his stuff. And before though we shut this down,
I did want to mention this a couple of things
we're experimenting with. We're gonna have a listener's episode in
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October and we're gonna have some of our listeners come
on the podcast with us to ask their questions. We're
excited about that. And then week eleven, LCA and Raceland
are playing and we're gonna have on the same show
Coach Salmon's and Doug Charles at LCA that Raceland and
h LCA Coach are gonna be on together the week
(39:03):
of their games. So I just want to share that because,
you know, just to make the point, man, we're we're
working like crazy to do a great job for our listeners,
and we're not scared to try some new things.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
You know.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Coach Salmon's talked tonight about being able to adjust and
adapt and how important that is, and you know, we
we're gonna work like crazy to get this thing the
best it can be.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Some exciting things kind of looking forward to with our podcast.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Me fired up, David, Well, I'm fired up about it.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
And I mean, I know we're working hard to do
a great job, and it's just like you know, when
we coach, we we wanted to be the absolute best
it can and you're constantly looking at what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
What can we do to make it better?
Speaker 6 (39:49):
We say that when we're in the literal coach's office,
but we're saying it. We're saying it in this coach's
office too. What do we got to do to be great?
And whatever we think that is, we're gonna try to
do it.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yep, some great things coming ahead. I'm looking I can't wait.
And hey, listeners, please hang on and listen to Mac's
historical segment. It's outstanding, it's really really good.
Speaker 6 (40:13):
He doesn't and we have shared a link that's got
all of Max's historical segments on it. So we've shared
it on our social media. But if a listener can't
find it, let us know and we'll get it to you,
because that is really that was something we didn't anticipate happening,
but it's become a very big piece of what we're doing.
(40:33):
It's been very well received, so let us know and
we'll get that to you.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Thank you guys for tuning in. We'll see you next time.
Speaker 8 (40:45):
Sports, and in particular, high school sports, are woven into
the fabric of Americana. High school sports are part of
the DNA of communities across the country, and that is
certainly true in Kentucky. Fans know the stories of the
big names, but there are many names and many stories
that have been lost to history. This series highlights those
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forgotten heroes. Maile High has produced some of Kentucky's best
athletes in storied history. In the nineteen forty three forty
four school year was no different. Abe Adams was named
the Athlete of the Year by the Courier Journal. Adams
led Mail to a football state title. On the track,
he won state titles in both the low and high hurdles,
(41:33):
and in the shot put and in the pool. He
won a state title in the one hundred meter freestyle.
He was runner up in the Courier Journals voting for
football player of the Year, and the paper named him
track athlete of the Year. He was named to the
prestigious All Southern Team and to some All American teams.
Abe Adams had size and speed. He was six foot three,
(41:57):
two hundred and twenty pounds who ran the one hundred
in ten point one seconds. His stride was measured at
nine feet ten inches. He was the stuff of legends.
Every school in America wanted Abe Adams. Notre Dame, Georgia, Michigan,
Illinois all came calling. The legendary Paul Brown made a
(42:18):
trip to Louisville. So how does the best player in Kentucky,
wanted by every major football school in the country wind
up going to Indiana University of all places. Well, Indiana
at the time was coached by the Center College icon
Bo McMillan. Coach McMillan was invited to attend the Kentucky
(42:42):
Press Association meeting in Louisville by his friend George Joplin Junior,
who incidentally had been the publicity man at Center College
during Bow McMillan's days with the Praying Colonels. It was
at the Press Association meeting that Abe Adams was to
receive his Athlete of the US Year award. Coach McMillan said,
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imagine my surprise when I met the dad of Kentucky's
Athlete of the Year and find he's a teammate of mine. Yep,
Abe Adams Senior was a former All Kentucky selection at
Frankfort High and a former college teammate on the Praying
Colonels of Bow. McMillan. Coach McMillan further said, why old
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Abe Adams was a roommate of Red Weaver, we all
thought a lot of him. I haven't any idea of
what school little Abe will choose, but Indiana would be
mighty proud to have the son of such an old
war horse as Big Abe. And confidentially, I think we
have a little bit more chance of getting him than
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we had yesterday, and they did. Abe Adams starred as
a freshman for coach McMillan at Iu Sam Called and
he spent two years in the Army and then came
back to Indiana after another standout season. Abe Adams left
school to turn pro. First, he signed with the Chicago
(44:12):
Rockets of the All American Football Conference, then his contract
was sold to the Los Angeles Dons, followed by the
Hawaiian Warriors. In nineteen forty nine, he was eligible for
the NFL Draft because his class had graduated, and he
was signed by the Detroit Lions, who were coached then
by Beau McMillan. And that's the story of Kentucky's top
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high school athlete from the nineteen forty three forty four
season and how he became an Indiana Hoosier. Abe Adams
died in Louisville in December twenty seventeen. At the time
of his death, he was the oldest living former NFL player.
Speaker 9 (45:01):
Pat the sound and put the sound the sound, and
(45:28):
Pat the fat, puck the acid, the doctor to the fact,
(46:14):
and the acid to Thetford to staffer todt ft do
Speaker 5 (01:15:00):
Assas
Coach David Buchanan.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Coach Chuck Smith, two legendary high school football coaches. This
is the Coach's Office, a behind the scenes look at
Kentucky high school football.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Welcome to the Coach's Office Behind the Scenes with Chuck
Smith and David Buchanan. This is season three, episode six.
I'm Chuck Smith. I'm joined by co host David bu Cannon,
podcast editor, storyteller Mike y Oakum, and then our social
media manager is Noah King. Our YouTube version of this
(01:08):
podcast is at tacop T dot C, dot O dot
p uh if you if you access that, then hit
like and subscribe, and it really does help us out.
If you do that, we have we have a fantastic
show for you tonight. Uh. We have Corbin head football
(01:29):
coach Luke Salmon's as our guest coach. He's coached in
both West Virginia and Kentucky and we're really looking forward
to bringing him on here shortly. Our tough topic for
the night is by William Blair, a head football coach
at Madison Central, and his question is should coaches receive
(01:49):
more compensation since their jobs have become year round instead
of seasonal? And I'm interested to hear what you say
about that, David. I know you'll be buss that you're
coaching again and you're trying to get every time that
you could get. But we'll get to that in just
a second. Games of the week. We got Pulaski and
(02:10):
South Laurel Boy, that'll be a good game just because
of Johnny Hines being from Pulaski and then going to
South Lawa. That'll be a really interesting game. And then
we got Manuel and Cal and of course I know
a lot about Manuel. Now we're gonna bring coach Salmon's
on here at just a second. Let me give you
(02:31):
a little bit about his background. As I said, he's
the head football currently the head football coach at Corbin
High School. This is his first year there at Corbin.
He spent the previous thirteen years as.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
The head football coach at Cable Midland, West Virginia, and
there he was one hundred and eighteen and thirty seven
in those thirteen seasons.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
That's pretty impressive. Two state runner ups during that thirteen years.
He played college football at Marshall from nineteen ninety nine
to two thousand and three, and before all that, he
was before he went to West Virginia. He was the
head football coach at Lawrence County in Kentucky and he
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was there for he was head coach there for three seasons.
He was twenty one and fifteen in those three seasons,
and his twenty and fourteen was twelve and one, So
pretty impressive. Pretty impressive. Presume there, David, you want to
bring on Coach Salmons.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
And Coach Hey, we really appreciate you making time to
be on here tonight. And I've got to meet coach
through some different quarterback things. His son, Mason is a
very good young Quarterback's got a very bright future, and
I've got to meet him through some things like that.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
And we're excited to have you back in Kentucky.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
And know, besides love and Anderson County football and Mercer
Paris and Mason, I love Kentucky High school football and
the day we got you back in in the Bluegrass
State was a big day. So a coach, thanks for
being here and thanks for joining us tonight.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
You know, Kentucky's great and that's why I wanted to
come back. You know, I love Kentucky High School football.
And you know, I'm from West Virginia, but I started
in Kentucky and me and my wife, you know, we
we always wanted to be back, and you know, Corvin
gave me the opportunity, so we're excited.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Pretty impressive program there too. You've got a good program.
And anyway, coach, I've got the first question for you.
And I've read where you like for your teams to
be physical, and I was wondering if you could share
with the listeners, you know, how do you insteal that
mentality in your players?
Speaker 7 (04:55):
Well, I mean our off season, you know, I mean
I came late, and but and that was always the
thing in the back of my mind is you know,
our off season, I think is as good as anybody's.
We train at a high level.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You know, we compete, We you know, we you know,
we kids love it. You know.
Speaker 7 (05:16):
It's a culture of toughness and mental toughness and working
together and and you know, just I feel like usually
by the time we get the season, you know, we
don't need to do anything else but practice football and
uh and so you know, and Corbunari had a lot
of that in place, so it's not like I had
to change everything, but the toughness part is a daily thing.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You know.
Speaker 7 (05:38):
It's just like today, you know, I feel like today
was our best practice we've had all year because the
kids were tough and they're getting better. I see it
every day and it's a thing that you know, when
I talk to them about toughness, toughness is not talking
about it. It's about being about it. And to me,
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you know, that's how you play the game. That's how
you do everything.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
You know. You know, you know being a good teammate, you.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
Know, communicating, lining up, you know, fundamentals doing your job,
and you know getting to the football and you know,
just every little details being tough and you know, coming
off the football at a high level and playing that.
You know, just all those things that toughness and tells
is to me, is the number one thing about football.
And you know, that's what we're we're we're instilling here
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and and I'm excited about that. I love the process
of that, and I love the off season. I love
the whole process from you know, the whole year. And uh,
you know, I'm having fun.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
So you get a lot of that stuff done in
your mind during the off season with different Yeah, and
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, I think so. I think, you know, I think
every kids in a process, you know.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
I think you know, when you get them as freshmen,
you know, some of them are maybe more advanced, but
you know, we've had college players that didn't even get
to play freshmen, but eventually as throughout the years of
believing and working and being tough, you know, you know,
and doing their job and working every day, and you know,
it means so much to them that I believe that
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you know, you can you can make players good to
great and average players good. And I think that's their
job as coaches is to develop kids and the great
people and you know, and hardworking people that you know
that football wins and losses will take care of itself.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
But I think every day.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
I think in twelve years at Middland or thirteen, I
missed one day in the weight room, and you know,
so it was very I just think the weight room
and competing and you know that all those things that
people talk about culture, I think it's I think it's
an everyday thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I think it's an everyday thing of being tough.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
Told you I appreciate that answer. I mean, there's I
think there's a lot of wisdom there are, coach, We'll
get from that. Uh, you know, my my first question
for you is the what's the biggest difference you see
in Kentucky high school football as opposed to West Virginia.
And then it's sort of little side note, since you
know you're moving from one to the other. How's the
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move gone for Mason? You know, he's a really good
quarterback and I know he's playing defense now, So what's
the difference in the two states? And you know, how
how's Mason doing with all this?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Well?
Speaker 7 (08:26):
I think whenever we went to West Virginia, I felt
like we had a big hand in changing the game.
I mean I don't ever say that like to a
lot of people, but I felt like how we worked
and how we trained, and how we you know, from
a college getting kids to college to promoting them to
you know, all those things that you know it takes
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to run a great program. I felt like we up
the standard in that region of high school football from Huntington.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
High to Spring the Valley to Hurricane and we had
to you know, we were.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
I think that first year they were below five hundred
team and we lost our first two or three ended
up winning like nine straight, and then the next year
went to state finals, and then we went on a
run where we only didn't lose very many games at all.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
And then I felt like after that.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Everybody start catched up, so we had to Upperandy even
more so, you know, and then we got back on
it and we lost maybe one or two games in
four years and played tough, tough teams out of state
teams and different people. So I think high school football
there in that area has become really good with a
lot of college players.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And I think Kentucky's the same way.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
I think Kentucky's got great high school football, a lot
of different a lot of different teams, a lot of
tradition rich teams, and a lot of great programs that
has sustained ourselves. And I think there's really good coaches
and it shows and you know, just like our schedule,
we got tough team, you know, and that's what you want.
But I think there's I think the good teams can
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compete with the good teams.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I think it's like that in every state, to be honest.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
We played teams out of Ohio and different teams you
know that ranked number two and number one in Class
two of Ohio and went down to the last play,
you know. And so I think there's good football. I
think it's become better all across the country. I think
there's better. I don't want to say better coaches, but
I think there's more. There's more stuff available to people
(10:30):
that they can get, you know, if it's online or
you know their resources are. You know, used to be,
it seemed like if you didn't know something, you could
never figure it out unless someone you know.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So I feel like there's more.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
Knowledge out there and you can't hide anything you know,
and you can't you know, you got it. You ain't
got a secret anymore, you know. So I think you
always got to change, but and adapt. I think that's
the number one thing about coaching, is the ability to
adapt to kids and the ability to adapt to situations.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
And uh.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
But ultimately, I think it's good high school football in
both places. I think Kentucky of course has you know,
more schools and and things like that, so there's probably more,
but you know, there's better if you you know, you're
looking at that, there's better.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Teams as far as more more more schools.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
But as far as Mason, he's done great we knew
when we came here he you know, wasn't going to
be the starter, and you know, he was going to
be the starter at the school, and it was a
different you know, it was a big thing for me
because you know, being at the school for twelve or
thirteen years and your son grew up there and and
all of a sudden, you know, you're going to take
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him away from that. And uh, but Mason was good
with it. I knew in the long run it would
all work out.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
You know.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
He he's behind a great player and he understands that.
But he said, I want to try to play. I said, well,
you can play. He's never really played defense, but he's
always been a quarterback. But he loves it, and uh,
you know, he just wants to be on the field.
So he's done a great job and I'm proud of
him for that. And you know, being around the game
has taught him so much. You know, it's not about him,
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it's about the team. And he understands all that. Being
a coach's sign and he's smart and so he don't
have a great career in whatever he does, and.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
So I'm sure he's very resilient, and uh, this I'm
sure the move has probably been tough, but I think
in the long run it will be probably one of
the best things he's ever been through to grow and mature.
And uh, I wish him the best. I know he's
been impressed when we worked with him. Chuck, I'll go
ahead and let you get the next one.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Then, And David and I can relate to having coach
his sons, so we we favor them. But hey, coach,
you've had several of your assistant coaches move on to
head coaches, move on and become head coaches. Is that
something that you look for when you hire new assistants?
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You know what kind of qualities you look for when
you interview and assistant coaches?
Speaker 7 (13:04):
Well, I mean number one, the number one trade. I
don't care how much football they know. I want them
to be good. I want them to work. I want
the kids to like them, you know. I mean, they
don't have to like them, but I want them to
the kids, you know, I want them to like you know,
to be a person I can trust, to be a
person that the kids want to be around, that they
want to play football, be a part of something. I mean,
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of course, you want a football background, but a lot
of the guys that I've always ran into and you know,
got to be coaches. As you know, I treat a
lot of my coaches the same as my players. You know,
if they work harder, they're gonna have more responsibilities.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You know, I don't just label them.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
You know, a lot of times, a lot of the years,
you know, we lost eight or nine different guys a
head coaching jobs. So that was a hard challenge to
always replace them. And every year it seemed like we
lost two or one or something. And and so I
think it's a challenge to replace them. I mean, it
was hard, and you can never replace them. It's just
trying to find a way to make it work at times.
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So the traits good people. Number one, care about the
kids who want to work and you know, want to
get better.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
And it's no different players. You know, I reward them
based off of.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
What they do the weight room, and so you know,
I always start her coaches the sky's a limit.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
You want to call the plays and go earn it,
go do it. I don't hold them back.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
I don't label them, and some of them take it
and run with it. And then you know, they asked me,
you know, I try to push them to take head
coaching jobs, you know, because I was the same same
guy when I got out of college. I was trying
to find a job, and you know, I think I
always give guys chances and never really had to let
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anybody go. It's always been that they can't handle it
or something. But no one's ever left on bad terms.
It's been more about they can't they don't have the time,
which I understand. But you know, I always hear from
the system that the guys who coached with with me
if they're losing, they call me.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
If I don't hear. That's why I say the other day.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
But but that's funny, But no, it's it's neat. I
think it's a cool thing. And we try to get
together and talk and we help each other a lot,
you know, and and I think that's what it's all about,
the camaraderie. But I love to see them move on
and be successful and I want them to win every game.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Did you get to hire anybody when you want it
came to Corban or was it too late to get anybody?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
It's got too late, you know.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
I brought a couple of guys one when one guy
was at Marshall. He was helping Marshall and he was
like a student assistant at GA.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
But he played for me.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
He he lives with me right now until he gets settled.
But uh, you know, so I got four boys of
my own then Luke in the dining room, you know.
But you know, I mean he's a great kid and
he's a great asset. So we'll always look for you know,
we got some great We got some great coaches already
here at Corban and and they wouldn't be have the
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success they've had if they didn't have some great coaches.
And they're good people and and you know, but we'll
always try to find good coaches.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I think that's one thing that you have to do.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
You always got to try to find a way to
you know, to be you know, very diverse in your staff.
Want you want different people. You know, you don't want
everybody like you. You don't want everybody to be the same.
And I and I want people around that no more.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I don't care.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
I don't have an ego, you know, I just want
them to fit in with the toughness and the work
ethic and the standard of being you know, what it
takes to be great. And but as far as knowing football,
I mean that you want that, you want to surround
yourself people like that.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
Well, hey, so my last question moving towards some football
a little bit, uh the thirty type front with the
four eyes in the odd and then the four two five,
they seem like they're dominant defenses in football right now.
I'm just wondering, is that what you're seeing or are
you seeing something different than those two primary defenses?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
What do you see it? That's what we say. Yeah,
it sounds like that's all we ca.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Yeah, I don't know, it's it's kind of it's different,
but I mean it works.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
But that's that's what we see. You're right. I mean
it's every week it's the same.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
It's very similar, you know, and I think that's that's
how the games become, you know. I mean it's different.
I mean still defense is defense to me. I mean,
like with adjustments and alignment, but it's just how you
line them up.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
But yeah, we see that every week. It seems like
I got you.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Well, I just we like to use this to, you know,
sort of help our listeners sort of stay current. And
you're an excellent coach. You're playing a tremendous schedule, and
I felt like you'd be a really good person to ask.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Absolutely, and you know we'll see different things, but you're right,
it like every week it's the same a lot of
the same scatter.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Yeah, you know, it's sort of liked that.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Back back when we got started, everybody was in a fifty.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
So yeah, coach, I appreciate you being on.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
You've done a great job, and man, we're excited to
follow you at Corbin and Coach, I think you're gonna
tear it up.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
I think you're gonna do a great job.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
I appreciate what you guys do and what you've done
for the state of Kentucky and just everybody.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
You know, it means a lot, and you lay the
groundwork for us.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Thank you for your time.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Coach. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
The question is from William Blair, who is the head
football coach at Madison Central High School and the coach.
The question is should coaches receive more compensation since their
jobs have become year round instead of seasonal? What do
you think?
Speaker 6 (18:51):
I think the answer is yes, I think that's already
happening in the South. It's not happening as much elsewhere,
but it's happening in the South. You know, is there
another activity in a high school that reflects administrations, community,
and overall success of a school system more than the
football program.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
I think it's the last thing that everyone knows about
and sees, especially Friday nights small town USA.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
You know, in Kentucky.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
What I think you see more of is schools are
creative with the coach's daily schedule. You know, they may
not be able to pay him to be the coach,
but it can make his job, you know, more flexible
where he can get some more football things done. He
can still get compensated pretty good. I just I think
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though that I don't know how it's all gonna play out,
but I think that as more and more people understand
how important football is to their community, I think there's
gonna be more people that are going to pay.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Their coach just to be the football coach.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
And one thing that I would add though, that I
think is coming with this is I think the gap
between the haves and the have nots is going to
keep getting wider because I think the people that really
value football and can afford it. They're going to find
a way, whether it's you're just a football coach, or
we can give you a good setup that's going to
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work for you. They're gonna make that happen. And the
places that aren't, they're gonna be teaching a full load
and they're not gonna have much of a stipend. And
I want to mention something here. You know, Bruce Johnson
was a superintendent at Mercer County when they merged, and
you know, Bruce was very supportive of football, and I
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remember hearing him say this one time. He says, you know,
I don't want my football coach teaching AP courses. But
it's not just that I want football to be good.
It's like I want those AP courses be done well.
And he said, a football coach isn't going to have
time to really do that the way that I want
it done. And you know, I just think those pieces.
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I think those pieces that you want in place, I
think you really value those pieces.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
I think at the end of the day, you're gonna
need to pay for them. And I mean that's my
thoughts on what do you think.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Well, I agree with a lot of the same points
that you brought up I have also on my list.
You know, you could probably argue, David, that all teachers
are underpaid. That would be that that would be an argument.
I agree, But there's absolutely no group more underpaid and
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in a high school than the football coaches. Uh. And
I really believe that in states like Texas and Georgia
and in the South, like you said, they've recognized this
and they are compensating their football coaches very very well.
You know, most of them, guys, the head coaches are
making over one hundred I think I've seen with the
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highest paid football coach in Georgia, I think is making
one seventy seven. I think, you know, yeah, that's that's
that's pretty impressive. I mean, and that's uh, you know,
an appreciation of what that coach is able to do
for your school system. You know, they're literally they do
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they literally work year round. You know, there's no off season.
You got the weight program, you got spring practice, et cetera,
et cetera. And then some of the some of the
non coaches, they might say, well, don't do it if
you're not paying for it, don't do the off season,
and don't do the you know, summer program. And spring practice.
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But you know, we all know that people that coach
football that that's not an option because and it's not
that it's not an answer, because these guys and get
fired for not putting the winning product on the field.
You know, they're not going to fire the y club sponsor.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Or.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
They're not going to fire the key club sponsor or,
the cross country coach or the tennis coach. They're not
they're not going to fire them people. But they will
fire a football coach and a basketball coach and even
sometimes a baseball coach.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
So and I would even argue this though a little
bit those other sports, they are more high profile than
some of the other activities. But financially, football is Football
is the only one that financially you have to fire
a guy if it's not getting done. The rest of
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them from a financial standpoint, you could probably live with
less your program in say baseball or basketball, you can't
live with that. In football, you cannot pay your bills.
How much are four hundred bucks apiece?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Right now?
Speaker 6 (24:00):
The four hundred dollars apiece? And it's so high profile
because I mean, I know this sounds sounds bad, I
get that, but the reality is a lot of people
really sort of identify their school with what happens in
that stadium on Friday night.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
I mean, that's that's the identity of their school and
their administration.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
And I think the school system should really look at
it like, you know, we're giving the community entertainment for
Friday night. And you know, that's partly what their tax
dollars is paying for. Because if you look in most
high school stadiums, you know, the stadiums are pretty much
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full in these small communities, small towns, they're full of
that's that is their entertainment. They come to the games
and you know, even if they don't have a child
a SUN plan, they still come to the game and
support it because that's the thing to do in the community.
So I really think the school system should should take
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that approach. You know, we're given you know, for your
tax dollars, We're giving you a good product on Friday night.
And you know, sometimes that's going to take paying a
coach more money. And and my other thought is that
if if as a school system, if you're not going
to help the head football coach out by compensating him
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for the iyers that he's putting in then you really
need to help him by paying the assistant coaches more
because right now that is a major issue in Kentucky
high school football. There is not enough of quality assistance.
And the bottom line is they're just not getting paid
anything at all. You know, the head coach is underpaid,
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but the assistant coaches are probably more underpaid than the
head coaches. And it's really hard to keep them. They're
they're not going to go out there and put that
kind of time in for pennies, you know, on the dollar.
So if you're not going to help him out by
compensating him when he's worth, then at least give the
assistant coaches a pumping salary.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
I agree.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
You know, I'll tell people this. You know, the head
coach probably makes fifty cents an hour. The assistant coaches
make about.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
A nickel hour, is what it comes out to. And
I mean, I agree with you. In Texas and Georgia
has figured it out.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
And yeah, they're still high academics, you know, they're not.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
They're not.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
It's not like they're not kids are not getting into
college for academic scholarships and all that other stuff. It's
it's they recognize that it is a you know, entertainment
for the weekend for their community and their community pools together.
You go to some of these, you go to Corvin,
you go to Bell County, you go to Boyle County.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
You know, these stadiums are packed. That's the entertainment for
the weekend. You know, they want a good product on
the field.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Well, And I think part of what goes with it
is I think that if you can keep, if you
can keep those good football players in your school because
you're offering a good product, I think you have a
better school. I think they're going to provide leadership, They're
gonna do a good job in the classroom for you.
I mean, I need to be careful singling out people,
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but I will single out this one up right now.
I don't think anyone would debate our best football players,
will road it. He plays linebacker and running back. Now
I realize he's exceptional, but he's got a thirty three
on the act. You know what I'm saying. I mean,
he's a really good leader. He's a good person, and
we've got others like him. He's not the only good leader,
good player in our program. But you know, I just
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think that you want those people in your school. And
if you want those people in your school, I think
you're gonna have to have a good football program. I
just I think that.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I think it goes with it and it doesn't come cheap.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
No, no, it's it's not.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
I mean football is a very it is a very
expensive It takes a lot. And that's why, again I
always go back to this, I think football, more than
any other endeavor in a school system, is driven by
administration because ultimately, the administration has got to commit the
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resources and finances to really do it well.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
And you know, I think coaching matters.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
I mean, obviously we think so that's what we've spent
our life doing. So coaching does matter, but your administration
and the facilities and resources, they're in charge of the
big pieces that are really necessary to make it go.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yeah, and most true football coaches would do it for
a little bit of nothing, and actually that's what they
are doing right now. But you know what, they would
do that in Georgia and Texas too, but they don't
have to because the people there recognize how important it is,
and you know, to pay their head football coach what
he's going.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Well, that's why a lot of these Kentucky guys, they
go to Georgia and Alabama and they don't come back.
And you know, they'll tell me, and I don't want
to single out any names, but they'll tell me stuff
like they'll only come back if it's for family.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
For family, they'll come back.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
But they're just like and they'll tell me to day,
you have no idea, You have no idea how different
it is so so right.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
So here we go.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
Let's get into our first game of the week. We've
got Pulaski County and South Laurel, which is the added
feature here. You've got Johnny Hines going back to play
his old team, so I had South Laurel. They're led
by their quarterback, Mason Griffin. He's thrown for about one
thousand yards in four games. West Dall at running back,
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is averaging eighty yards a game rushing a wide receiver.
He's using Garrison Brown, Zach Thomas. West dal On defense
are led by Noah smith uh senior place linebacker. And
you know, Johnny's playing his old school. He had twenty
five years at Pulaski State champs in twenty fourteen state finalists,
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three times region championships, six times. So this is this
is quite a reunion here seeing seeing Johnny across from
Pulaski County.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Oh, it's going to be a dandy. It's going to
be a dandy because of Johnny. You're coaching at South Laurel.
Of it, because on paper, South Laurels has no business
competing with Pulaski County. Pulaski County is is well coached.
Travis Burns is in his first year there, outstanding football coach,
and he will he will get Pulaski County back to
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where they need to be. And he you know, again,
there's no there should be no comparison on paper, but
Travis has had He's got several state championship rings of
his own from Boyle County. Right now, Pulaski County's record
is two and two, but their losses have come to
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Beechwood twenty seven to twenty eight at one point, and
then a good Woodford County team twenty two to thirty one.
So you know they're playing, you know, a very tough
schedule and they're competing with that schedule. So I would
say this, I would say first, and another thing I
would say, though, is and I want to talk about
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their players is a little bit. Their quarterback is Zach Anderson.
He's led the way at that position and is having
a pretty good year. Running back is Cason Brock. He's
their leading rusher, and their leading receivers are Harrison Denmyer
and Ethan Elkline. I think is his last name.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I can't see it right there, but I think that's
his last name. But they've done a They've done a
fantastic job there and I think that one paper, Polassi
County should win this game. But there is a hidden
motivation there and that's that's where Johnny Hines is going
to have his player so fired up because that is
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his old school. And I think that it's going to
probably be a lot closer than most people think just
because of that motivation. I think you're going to have
to throw out the records because there's going to be
you know, South Orlo is going to bring a level
of competitive spirit that they haven't played with in a
long time. Johnny's going to bring that out in them,
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and it should be an interesting game. I think it'd
be a fun game to watch.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I'm with you. I think that.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
You know, I think Plasti County's got the edge and
a Travis is he's an excellent young coach. I also
think Johnny Hines is the reason Plasti County's favored. You know,
he's he did a really good job there. So it
is it'll be a great game. And I know this
one's young ones old, but there's gonna be two awful
good coaches there for sure, without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, And we got Manuel versus Cow and I have
Manuel and I know a little bit about Manuel. We've
got an excellent football team. We got an excellent football coach.
The head football coach is Keith Keith Elklof, and this
is his first season there and he's taken over that
manual program. You know, it's it's a hit. You know,
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it's a very traditional program in Louisville. He came from Seneca,
where he was the head football coach from twenty nineteen
to to twenty twenty three. His night his twenty twenty
two team at Seneca was eight and four, which Seneca
has been down over the years, so that's pretty impressive
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record for them. His current record at Manuel right now
is five and zero, and he's he's had some pretty
good wins. Now He's he's at this thing, Roland, You've
got a really nice football team. He his quarterback is
Kayden Mack and you know what he can't do with
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his arm, he does with his feet. He's very quick
and fast and elusive. He's hard to get a hold of.
He's hard to tackle. His top running back is outstanding.
His name is Garian Trayner, and I mean he is
one of the top. He'd be one of the top
running backs in the state. I mean he is downhill, quick, fast,
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make you miss extremely you know, uh, outstanding, outstanding running back.
I'm really impressed with him. His top receivers, I think
the top one is Willis Nofsinger and he is by
far the top receiver. But he's got Braylyn Miles and
Cameron Jesse that do a pretty good job as well.
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He's got a really nice football team. The thing about
this game, though, David, and I think that Manuel's got
an now Sandy team. I know Cal does too, but
I think it will be a close game. But the
thing that has got me a little disturbed is I
thought Manuel was really good last year as well. But
last year Cal beat them fifty four. The thirty six.
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That game really surprised me when I seen that last year,
so I didn't I don't know what happened in that game,
but it'll be interesting to see what happens in this game.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Well, I've got cal and they're led by head coach
Hunter Campwell and their quarterback is Connor Hodge, whose older
brother Cole was their quarterback the previous season, and Connor
was an All State dB last year. His brother is
at East Carolina. Connor has already committed East Carolina, so
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he's got that taken care of as though the runner
and the passer. He's got over seventeen one hundred and
seventeen hundred yards total offense. On defense, he's got two interceptions.
His tipe receiver is Darwin Colton, who's averaging over one
hundred and twenty yards receiving per game, and Hodging Cotton
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both play defense, but their leaders on defense or garry
On Hibbs and Jackson Settle, they leave the team in tackles.
I think they're both really good teams. I think they're
both in the conversation when state titles in their class.
I just think at this point, manual is gonna be
a little deeper, and they can navigate the ups and
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downs of this demanding schedule better than Cal can.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
Right now, even when we would.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
Play Cal and they were really good, they're They're not
gonna I don't think I'll be surprised if they've got
the depth at Manual has. You know, just like Connor
and Darwin both playing both sides of the ball. So
I just think that's gonna be really hard to do
against a good Manual team. And and you'l plays really man.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
You plays really good defense. They're very good on defense,
so very very difficult to throw the ball on. I mean,
they're just their DB's are outstanding. They got a nice
football team.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Yeah, so I think it'll be a good game. I
just think Maniel's gonna have a little more depth and
just have a little more gas in the tank right now.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I can't agree with you, but I thought that last
year too, and Cal really put it on them, so
it was I love to know what happened in that game.
But anyway, two good football games. Interested to see how
they turned out. And David, we've got wrapping this show up.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
Yeah, we got next week, well next week, And I
didn't think I didn't realize this how it all played out.
But next week our guest is gonna be another Marshall guy,
Chad Pennington, who's the head coach at Sayer.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
So we'll have Chad. I look forward to having him.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
Our tough topic will be from Marcus Dean And this
is something we touched on and and you know, this
is something that sort of an Anderson County thing right
now too. We're sort of trying to work through it.
And is Marcus's question is at what age should you
football switch from developmental to winning? And Marcus's father in laws,
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league Glascock, who coached at Washington County, had a long career,
played for my dad at Boyle So Marcus and Marcus
is a great turf guy. He is a great turf guy.
He knows his stuff. And before though we shut this down,
I did want to mention this a couple of things
we're experimenting with. We're gonna have a listener's episode in
(38:40):
October and we're gonna have some of our listeners come
on the podcast with us to ask their questions. We're
excited about that. And then week eleven, LCA and Raceland
are playing and we're gonna have on the same show
Coach Salmon's and Doug Charles at LCA that Raceland and
h LCA Coach are gonna be on together the week
(39:03):
of their games. So I just want to share that because,
you know, just to make the point, man, we're we're
working like crazy to do a great job for our listeners,
and we're not scared to try some new things.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
You know.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Coach Salmon's talked tonight about being able to adjust and
adapt and how important that is, and you know, we
we're gonna work like crazy to get this thing the
best it can be.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Some exciting things kind of looking forward to with our podcast.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Me fired up, David, Well, I'm fired up about it.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
And I mean, I know we're working hard to do
a great job, and it's just like you know, when
we coach, we we wanted to be the absolute best
it can and you're constantly looking at what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
What can we do to make it better?
Speaker 6 (39:49):
We say that when we're in the literal coach's office,
but we're saying it. We're saying it in this coach's
office too. What do we got to do to be great?
And whatever we think that is, we're gonna try to
do it.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yep, some great things coming ahead. I'm looking I can't wait.
And hey, listeners, please hang on and listen to Mac's
historical segment. It's outstanding, it's really really good.
Speaker 6 (40:13):
He doesn't and we have shared a link that's got
all of Max's historical segments on it. So we've shared
it on our social media. But if a listener can't
find it, let us know and we'll get it to you,
because that is really that was something we didn't anticipate happening,
but it's become a very big piece of what we're doing.
(40:33):
It's been very well received, so let us know and
we'll get that to you.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Thank you guys for tuning in. We'll see you next time.
Speaker 8 (40:45):
Sports, and in particular, high school sports, are woven into
the fabric of Americana. High school sports are part of
the DNA of communities across the country, and that is
certainly true in Kentucky. Fans know the stories of the
big names, but there are many names and many stories
that have been lost to history. This series highlights those
(41:10):
forgotten heroes. Maile High has produced some of Kentucky's best
athletes in storied history. In the nineteen forty three forty
four school year was no different. Abe Adams was named
the Athlete of the Year by the Courier Journal. Adams
led Mail to a football state title. On the track,
he won state titles in both the low and high hurdles,
(41:33):
and in the shot put and in the pool. He
won a state title in the one hundred meter freestyle.
He was runner up in the Courier Journals voting for
football player of the Year, and the paper named him
track athlete of the Year. He was named to the
prestigious All Southern Team and to some All American teams.
Abe Adams had size and speed. He was six foot three,
(41:57):
two hundred and twenty pounds who ran the one hundred
in ten point one seconds. His stride was measured at
nine feet ten inches. He was the stuff of legends.
Every school in America wanted Abe Adams. Notre Dame, Georgia, Michigan,
Illinois all came calling. The legendary Paul Brown made a
(42:18):
trip to Louisville. So how does the best player in Kentucky,
wanted by every major football school in the country wind
up going to Indiana University of all places. Well, Indiana
at the time was coached by the Center College icon
Bo McMillan. Coach McMillan was invited to attend the Kentucky
(42:42):
Press Association meeting in Louisville by his friend George Joplin Junior,
who incidentally had been the publicity man at Center College
during Bow McMillan's days with the Praying Colonels. It was
at the Press Association meeting that Abe Adams was to
receive his Athlete of the US Year award. Coach McMillan said,
(43:03):
imagine my surprise when I met the dad of Kentucky's
Athlete of the Year and find he's a teammate of mine. Yep,
Abe Adams Senior was a former All Kentucky selection at
Frankfort High and a former college teammate on the Praying
Colonels of Bow. McMillan. Coach McMillan further said, why old
(43:28):
Abe Adams was a roommate of Red Weaver, we all
thought a lot of him. I haven't any idea of
what school little Abe will choose, but Indiana would be
mighty proud to have the son of such an old
war horse as Big Abe. And confidentially, I think we
have a little bit more chance of getting him than
(43:50):
we had yesterday, and they did. Abe Adams starred as
a freshman for coach McMillan at Iu Sam Called and
he spent two years in the Army and then came
back to Indiana after another standout season. Abe Adams left
school to turn pro. First, he signed with the Chicago
(44:12):
Rockets of the All American Football Conference, then his contract
was sold to the Los Angeles Dons, followed by the
Hawaiian Warriors. In nineteen forty nine, he was eligible for
the NFL Draft because his class had graduated, and he
was signed by the Detroit Lions, who were coached then
by Beau McMillan. And that's the story of Kentucky's top
(44:35):
high school athlete from the nineteen forty three forty four
season and how he became an Indiana Hoosier. Abe Adams
died in Louisville in December twenty seventeen. At the time
of his death, he was the oldest living former NFL player.
Speaker 9 (45:01):
Pat the sound and put the sound the sound, and
(45:28):
Pat the fat, puck the acid, the doctor to the fact,
(46:14):
and the acid to Thetford to staffer todt ft do
Speaker 5 (01:15:00):
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