coaches office with guest Tyquan Rice

In this episode the coaches guest is Paris coach Tyquan Rice.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Coach David Buchanan coach Chuck Smith, two legendary high school
football coaches. This is the Coach's Office, a behind the
scenes look at Kentucky high school football.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Hi, Welcome to the Coach's Office behind the Scenes with
Chuck Smith and David Buchanan. This is off season. This
is all season three, Episode four. I'm Chuck Smith. I'm
joined by co host David Buchanan, Podcast editorshback storyteller Mike Yoakam,
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I want to, I want to. I want to start
off by talking about our show. We have an awesome

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show in store for you tonight. Our guest coach is
Takwan Rice from Paris High School, and Coach Rice has
done an outstanding job of getting a tradition rich Paris
program headed back in the right direction, and we're going
to bring him on here shortly. Our tough topic is
by Jimmy Skinner and it says, why are quarterback's being

(01:52):
taught not to transferther a weight when they throw.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, I mean that's just the new quarterback now.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I guess we can blame all that on Patrick McCombs probably,
but he's kind of revolutionized that. But that's a great question,
and I know David's going to have a good answer
for that because he's a quarterback coach expert.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
But hey, I went and hit on the fence. I
asked three guys a lot smarter than me, and I'm
not even sure I'm going to answer. That's how scared
I am of that one.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
And then the games of the week this week are
Pikeville and Raceling and then East Carter in green Up County,
So two really good games. We'll get to them in
just a minute. First, let me introduce and talk a
little bit about Taekwon rice Is background. As I said,
he's the head coach of Paris High School.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
He's also a former Greyhound.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
He played at Paris, which you know is a pretty
big deal when you can come back to your hometown
and be and be the head coach.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
He was recognized. Listen to this, David. He was recognized
in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
As Paris Bourbon County Chamber of Commerce Citizen of the year.
That's pretty impressive. Now we're not talking about coach, we're
talking about being a citizen.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Citizen of the year. That's pretty impressive right there. He
took over the Paris football program in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Now, in twenty twenty two, he was eight and four
and got a second round loss or finish of the season.
And then in twenty twenty three he took another step forward.
He was ten and two, also a second round loss.
But he's off to a great start this year. He's
two and one right now, and he's done a great job.

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And I'm really glad he's on our program. We appreciate
him being on our program. David, you want to bring
on coach.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
Rice, Yes, I do. And I tell you what.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
We can go down this Paris Greyhound Road all night
and I could never stop talking about it. But Coach,
I don't know if you can see my screen or not,
but if you'll know, over my shoulder there I've got
a black Paris Greyhound helmet. And I just want you
to know you made a great choice, yes, sir, impact
those black helmets. Great job, coach. That that got me

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fired up right off the back. Great job, yes, sir,
so hey, I'm I'm gonna let Chuck get going. But again,
thank you for your time this evening.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
We're glad here.

Speaker 6 (04:21):
Thanks for having me coach.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Hey, hey, coach Rice, you're from Paris, you played there,
hometown guy. You know, how have you used this to
help you build this program?

Speaker 6 (04:34):
You know, I guess it's a blessing and a curse.

Speaker 7 (04:39):
You know, more of a blessing when you can, I
guess build relationships with people because.

Speaker 6 (04:45):
You know, you know everybody small town.

Speaker 7 (04:48):
You know, it really helps when getting out kids because
you can go sitting in living rooms and you know,
talk to so and so.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
Mom or grandmother or uncle or cousin. You know, and
you know everybody.

Speaker 7 (04:59):
But at the same time, you try to get your
grocery shop and done and you can't because everybody, especially
after a loss, you know, everybody wants to stop and
we'll coach what have you know? So, but but you know,
growing up here, playing here, coaching here, it really has
been a blessing. And you know, just just knowing the

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ins and outs of Paris has helped us, you know,
being able to you know, recognize some of the you know,
the things that the kids go through.

Speaker 8 (05:31):
Yeah, I bet that's been quite quite a help, quite
a I think it's been quite a help to you
to be able to I think, especially when you're building,
you've got to you've got to have those relationships.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Since knowing everybody in town, you know, who their.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Kid to, who they're not kid to, I think that
really would be a big benefit.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
And getting coach.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
How far away do you think you are getting this
program where you want it?

Speaker 7 (05:57):
You know, I tell you what, man, we It's funny
because Paris we always have athletes, and the one thing
that you know, we've really tried to do is just
rely on on our weight room. You know, it's unfortunate
because you know, we've got all these upgrades that we've
put in this year, but the weight room was closed

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most of spring and all of summer because they were
doing a lot of construction down there. And you know,
there was no electric for four and a half months
in the facility because there were bearing lines, and so,
you know, we really want to just start with the
weight room, you know, getting guys consistent in there, and
then I tell you I couldn't be where I'm at today.
You know a lot of people know this, A lot

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don't you know, I started coaching football, you know, Scott
County U Sports and I did that for years, came
back home, started coaching my son and his buddies, and
then you know, just kind of moved up through middle
school and you know, then the high school.

Speaker 6 (06:58):
But I couldn't be I'm mad without my youth coaches.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Man.

Speaker 7 (07:01):
They have done a phenomenal job just really taking the
reins on the youth program, you know. And so I
mean we've got, you know, in little old Paris, We've
got almost seventy kids in our third, fourth, fifth and
sixth grade team.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
So I'm telling you that makes all the difference in
the world.

Speaker 7 (07:18):
When I talk to guys about, you know, the eighties,
the one thing they said was, Coach, we had eighty
and ninety kids on our high school team.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
And that's huge for a class A school.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yeah, it's all sound like off the ground in London
in the right direction.

Speaker 6 (07:33):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Well, hey, coach, I want to change gears a little bit.
I want to talk about your turf. I mean, you
guys have been on the national news. So my question
is this, why orange and how did orange become the
color of turf at Paris High school and what has
been the effect or the reaction to the orange turf.

Speaker 7 (07:53):
Well, you know, I don't know if you remember this,
but I think two years ago I called you or
text you and ask you what you felt about, and
you know, and we really didn't know if we were
going to go a really nice bermuda or if we.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
Were going to go turf.

Speaker 7 (08:08):
And you know, I tell you, our superintendent has done
a wonderful job of, you know, bringing.

Speaker 6 (08:12):
The community on for everything.

Speaker 7 (08:14):
That we do, you know, sometimes to a fault, you know,
because you know, sometimes we want to get things done
so quick and we want to rush things, but you know,
he takes his time and lets the community and the
kids especially have a vote, you know, because it's their school,
it's their field, and so you know, it kind of
came down to where I was and our coaching staff was,

(08:36):
this is the once in a lifetime thing for us,
you know, in the history of Paris, We've never had
anything of this magnitude.

Speaker 6 (08:43):
So we want to do it right.

Speaker 7 (08:44):
So with that being said, I'll never be able to
play on that field, we'll never score touchdowns on that
field again, but the kids will.

Speaker 6 (08:51):
So we did a vote.

Speaker 7 (08:52):
We did a poll all the way from elementary to
high school, and we let the kids pick. You know,
they did a couple of different mockups and designs, and
you know, there are a lot of green fields with
orange in zones.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
You know, Racing's got green field with black and orange
in zone.

Speaker 7 (09:06):
Frederick Douglas has a green field with you know, orange
and black end zones. And so, you know, the kids
were like, you know, but let's do it. And I
told them, you know, we could be the only one
or we could be just another one. And that's kind
of how we came up with the orange. The kids voted,
I think it was like eighty eight to twelve.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
So you know what, it's that decisive.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
It is coach, it is close.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
They come to you and they say, hey, you coach,
you picked orange and black.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
What's it going to be?

Speaker 6 (09:34):
That's right? And you know, here's my thing.

Speaker 7 (09:36):
I want whatever's gonna make my guys fired up on Friday,
you know. And so that that's where I'm at with it.
But I tell you that the younger kids absolutely love it.
We had six rec games down there this week and
kids were blown away.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Hey, so, so as this eliminated the walk to Garrett Park.

Speaker 7 (09:54):
Like to tell you that I'm a big fan of
that walk just because it's a pride thing for me.
We have spent less time at Garrett Park, but there's
nothing like that walk. When the fall hits and the
leaves are falling, you got that ten minute walk to
kind of get your mind right. But you know, I
think soccer is gonna have some some reason games down there,

(10:15):
so we'll be Garrett Park. We're still there, you know,
good Garrett Park.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
Yeah, he just what he's talking about is that Paris
High School.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
You got to walk down to a park, you walk
down that street. But but that is that's really part
of the tradition, you know, is uh, you you leave
the field house, you lock it up, everybody walks down together,
and then everybody walks back together. And then you still
got all the pats and stuff in that old barn.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
At the barn, the black Barn.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
That's where it's saying, that's awesome, Hey, that's what that
brings back memories?

Speaker 5 (10:46):
Guys. That was great. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, yee.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
I go to my next question.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Coach Trice, your single a school, can you tell us
what you're in season? Weekly practice preparation looks like is
numbers is an issue? I mean, uh with practice or
how do how do you structure your practice.

Speaker 7 (11:05):
During the week, you know practice, you know we do
we you know, we we So we're sitting at about
forty guys you know right under you know, given if
everybody's healthy, you know, when you have low numbers, everybody
does everything. You know, we want to keep we want
to keep the intensity up through the week, you know,

(11:27):
but we also don't like to risk guys getting hurt,
you know, and that's kind of the you know, the
plus or minus man. We just kind of kind of
work through it, you know. You know, Mondays we always
have our our film and then we go out. We
get a lot of conditioning done on Mondays and we
you know, we finish up going through team offense Tuesday.
It's you know, uh, individuals and team offense. We finished

(11:50):
up Wednesdays defensive days, and defensive days get a little
they get a little feisty sometimes, so we try to
you know, kind of pull guys back just you know,
you don't want to you don't want to hurt, you know,
get guys hurt before pregame on Thursday and stuff like that.
So you know, numbers definitely play a part, but we
also know that to play class A football, you got

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to play both ways at the ball.

Speaker 6 (12:12):
So you got to be conditioned. You got to be
in shape, you know, and and your body's got to
be calloused.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yeah, whatever you're doing, you're doing something right because you
got it. You got them going in the right direction.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
So well, I tell you, you know, I've got good guys
around me. You know, they really they they love our kids.
Our kids are buying in.

Speaker 6 (12:31):
You know.

Speaker 7 (12:32):
The main thing now is staying healthy, you know, trying
to keep the bugs out, you know, less injuries, but
that's the main thing. Man, being mentally tough and and
you know, we're trying to make a run in district
and see where we land in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Hey, what's your numbers? Like, how many kids you got
out from the team?

Speaker 7 (12:52):
Uh so, you know, we've got thirty nine guys, so
we're sitting right at forty uh forty guys, which is great.
You know, that's the most numbers we have in in
my three years here, so going into year four, you know,
that's that's definitely good numbers.

Speaker 6 (13:06):
I've got a really good sophomore group of guys. Right now.

Speaker 7 (13:10):
My twenty twenty seven class, they're pretty special. They all
start they started as freshmen. You know that that's gonna
be you know, one of my my tougher groups, just
because you know, I've had that group since they were
second grade and so you know, they get it. They
get it done, man. So you know, we try to
piece some things around that group, you know. So you know,

(13:33):
I think the numbers will continue to grow. Is that
Youth League gets you know, further and further along.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
Yeah, that's a great number.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
We were We were usually in the like low thirties
or the high twenties. I mean that forty sounds awesome.
And you know, continuing along talking about the small school stuff,
you know, the modern you know, modern coaches, a lot
of them prefer to play at a fast tempo. Yeah,
so is that what you're trying to do or do

(14:02):
you try to slow down the tempo because of you know,
you you've got the lower numbers. Do you do you
try to place I know this, I think what really
helped me a lot. When I was at Paris Is
we spent time in the huddle. You know, I didn't
I didn't let those guys get wiped out, and uh,
you know, I think I saved our bodies a little.

(14:24):
But I wonder what what your approach is? What do
you what do you think?

Speaker 7 (14:27):
You know, it's a lot different, you know, this year
than it was from last year. Last year, you know,
we were veteran up front and this year, you know,
we've got primarily a freshman sophomore line and so the
the thing we do well, we we do. We've got
a lot of speed. We've got, you know, a tremendous
amount of speed, and we got some guys that can

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get off to the races. So we actually we really
like to speed it up, you know, because we've spent
so much time conditioning that you know, it's kind of
you know, we just NASCAR all times.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
You know, we just want to go.

Speaker 7 (15:03):
Foot on the pedal man and wear some guys down,
you know. We you know, we struggled with the low numbers,
you know, trying to you know, keep our bigs, you know,
condition and repping them in and out. But like I said,
as the season goes on, you know, they'll get in
a little better shape and be able to stay at
that high tempo.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
My got you well, and.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
You're playing against you're playing against guys that probably have
the same kind of numbers that you've got.

Speaker 7 (15:27):
Anyway, Sure, sure, you know primarily you know, this week
we've got Montgomery County coming to town, and you know they've.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
Got a hundred guys on their team.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
But you know, aside from that, you know, it's very
you know, it's always a crazy atmosphere going up to Raceland.
You know, they've got seventy eighty guys on the sideline,
so it's like never ending.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
You know.

Speaker 7 (15:48):
Last year we were, you know, swinging it out with
them for three quarters, you know, and the numbers game
played a big part of that fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Man.

Speaker 6 (15:56):
You know, guys just worn down, you know, so when
you got seven he compared to thirty, it makes a
big difference.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
It does.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Hey, coach, we appreciate you being on the show, or
think you got another question.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
Or no, I mean, I mean he hit that for me. Uh.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
I just say, I'm really excited about what's happening at Paris.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
I think you were very I think your orange turf
was very even though you went with what the kids wanted.
I think the kids were very insightful because it is
really made you guys blow up, not just locally, but nationally.
And yes, sir, hey, I'm always gonna love the Greyhounds

(16:41):
and uh we're hey, you know I'm married to greyhound.

Speaker 6 (16:44):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
She was cheering for the Greyhounds to night that Chuck
and I were coaching over at Mercer County. I didn't
let her that night. I'm five years older than she is.
That would have been bad. But yeah, but yeah, she
she loves the Greyhounds. And I tell you what, we
never Bourbon County beat us when I was the head coach.
There you go, coach, Hey, the door would have been

(17:06):
locked and I would have been sleeping down there in
that field house had the Colonel's got us. I knew
that was not something that would go over.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
Absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 7 (17:16):
We're looking to try and get that game back soon,
so hopefully it's in the works.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
Good deal, well, coach, Good luck to you and go Greyhounds.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
Okay, hey, same to you, coach, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
We head to our next segment of the show, which
is our tough topic, and this week it's from Jimmy Skinner. Yes,
why are the quarterbacks being taught to not to transfer
their weight when they throw? Why don't we start with
you because you're you're a you're a quarterback, you're.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
A quarterback coach, and I'm anxious to hear what you think.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
What I did, I reached out to three real experts. Okay, uh, hey,
you probably do you remember David Lee playing quarterback at Vanderbilt.
I think he graduated in eighty three or eighty two,
so he might be a little.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
Younger than you.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
I mean, I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
I got you, but he played quarterback at van He's
been the quarterback coach of the Dolphins. I meet him
through Chad Pennington. So here's what I did. I'll share
my opinion, but I reached out again to three experts.
So here's what coach Lee says. He said, I do
not believe in keeping the backfoot on the ground throughout
the throw. I've observed a big distance loss in those

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quarterbacks longball distance on the goal in the deep post
routes not only a lots of deep ball distance, but
to me, it's somewhat natural because it has to be
made to stay down on the ground, he said. I
believe in naturally that we want to transfer our feet
our weight. So Coach Lee says, we need to step through.
I talked to Chad Pennington about it, and I mean

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Chad had a pretty elaborate answer of I mean, he said,
I don't won't read the whole thing. It's really good,
but he said a lot of what you said, which is,
people see Patrick Mahomes, they think, because Patrick Mahomes is
a great talent, that's the way you should throw it.
And you know, throwing off I will quote this part.

(19:23):
He's just throwing off platform is certainly a skill that's
necessary to having a QB in today's football. Howard, to
throw off platform and not transfer one's way every throw
guarantees in accuracy and inconsistency. Inaccuracy and inconsistency is going
to keep a quarterback from reaching his potential. Now, so
you got two guys that say you need to step through.

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So then I went to Tony Franklin, who we've had
on our show, and I mean, I think Tony is
a phenomenal football coach. I love Tony's answer because Tony
is always Tony. He says, no clue. He said, I
don't listen to any coaches as these quarterback fundamentals I
disagree with ninety nine percent of them.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
His is real simple.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
He says, I keep their feet shoulder with a part
bill place at the top of the numbers or throat level.
Now here's the one thing that to him is a
non negotiable. He calls it typewriter feet Peyton Manning, Jared Goff,
where their their feet stay fast. They never come together
shorter than a six inch step or never or it's

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a six inch step to throw and the body weight
will automatically transfer. So in saying that, I feel like
he's saying that you are still gonna step. But he
said this, He said coaching with them in mind that
there's not one size fits all, and he did say this.
He makes it mandatory, the typewriter, Manning, god footwork. So

(20:50):
he he thinks that that's critical. So I've got two
there that say you need to step through. Jimmy Skinner
is a you need to step through.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
He plays that.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Marshall, he was a quarterback coach at Frederick Douglas. I
think you need to step through also, I do. Now
if there's a lot of things I don't know, Okay,
I'm just I'm acknowledging that, And you know, maybe if
a quarterback is a free and maybe not bringing that
backfoot through might actually give them more control.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
I can see that.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
But I can tell you this, the guys that I
have coached, they need to step through.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
Just like throwing that punch, you need to step through.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
You don't know, need to hold back, and that helps
with velocity, it helps with distance. To me, I still
think it's important. Now there's more than one way to
skin a cap, but I think that's been critical. I
do think I've got a story I think sort of
fascinating about all this.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
We did a quarterback workout in Paiful with Chris mgnami.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Just this sprint. They had a guy that is not
a step through guy. He leads the backfoot in place.
And Randy Maynard, who played quarterback at the Cumberlands and
at Pike Fool, is helping me. So the quarterback from Pikefoll,
we're trying to modify it and make it work. But
he doesn't step through. But I'm like, look, you know
you you do what you're being taught and will add

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just best we can. So anyway, this quarterback he makes
a great throw to his left and he brings his
foot through and I'm like, that's that's a really good throw.
I said, So are you going to step through if
the ball is going to your left? He said, I said,
Coach MAYNERD told me to step through. So I stepped through,

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and it was it was the best throw that he made.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
I mean again, I don't think I know enough about
the guys that don't bring that backfoot through to be
overly critical of it. But I do understand those of
us that step through, understand why we do it, and
right now I still think I think for the majority,
let me put it this way, I think for the

(23:00):
majority of quarterbacks, stepping through on your throat I think
is the best practice I think you need to do well.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
I agree with that too.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
I think that unless you have just an incredibly strong arm,
I don't know how you can make it throw without
stepping through. But you know, the first thing that comes
to mind when I read this question was Patrick Macombs.
You know, I mean, he just kind of revolutionized the
you know, the quarterback position. You know, he throws it overhanded,

(23:31):
he steps through, he throws it underhanded, he slid, he
throws its side arm, he throws it off balance, and
you know, he just throws it every which way that
you could possibly throw it, and he's done, you know,
such a fantastic job, and he's had so much success.
You know that all quarterbacks, young quarterbacks, they kind of

(23:54):
want to be like him now and they all you
can see him in high school, you know, they're all
trying to do that kind of stuff that that he's
been able to do and have so much success with.
He's proven it to be, you know, really successful and productive,
and you know, I think it's uh, I mean, it
might be the future, you know, of the quarterback position.

(24:16):
I don't think that I'm answering the question exactly like
you interpret the question or maybe you you you you
presented the question is uh, you know, I think that
you have to step through. I mean, that's just a
natural throw in motion. I was more more or less
talking about you know, these quarterbacks that are are that

(24:40):
that are trying to be the Patrick McCombs, you know,
throwing it side arm, you know, throwing it off balance.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
And that's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
When I say, uh, you know, he's kind of revolutionized
that the quarterback position, and I think that's what more
quarterbacks are the coaches or even looking for more quarterbacks
that are capable of making throws like that because it
does it, it's so much more effective. And you know
the way the game's being played now, you know we're
getting a rush. Still you still can avoid the rush

(25:11):
and make these kind of froze. Maybe it's a side
on thro you know whatever. It might be off balance throw,
but still having success and accuracy with it.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
And I know we don't want to spend that. Wee
can spend all night on this, and I know we
don't want to. But listening to Utah, it brought some
things to mind. Chris macnamie and I took his son
Isaac and my son tros we to a camp. It
was actually during twenty twenty. We're probably pushing it a
little bit. Was late July or We went to a
camp in Nashville. Part of that camp was throwing the

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ball off platform. Went to a clinic and Notre Dame
her Tommy Reese speaking, who was then there either their
OC of their quarterback coach, and we asked him about
the things that they want to see. One of the
things he said they want to see is can he
make a throw off platform? U? In other words, Patrick Mahomes.
But now here's the other part of it, and it

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may have changed because it's been twenty nineteen since we went.
But when I took Trosford to the Manning Passing Academy,
which is a phenomenal camp, and I would say this
with Chad Pennington's camp, ARC and Pas, I know it.
Chad's camp, don't They don't work on throwing off platform.
And I don't think the Manning camp there was any

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throwing off platform. I think it was all pretty straightforward fundamentals.
I think gaining about six pounds in a three day weekend,
eating bread pudding in fried shrimp down there in Thibodeaux,
hanging out with Chris mcnemy. But so anyway, I'm just
there's definitely somewhat of a divide I think on this

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topic right now. And I have yet to run into
a quarterback that I think is so talented that he
need to step through all the guys I've had we
better step through.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that one.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
I was just kind of more or less talking about, uh,
you know, a Patrick McCombs versus a Tom Brady style quarterback. Yeah,
I think the Tom Brady style is is in today's
football may be going Uh you know out may be
a thing of the past. You know, I got we're

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you know, I mean, he was obviously great at it,
but and I don't know, it just just my opinion.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Yeah, well, uh, And I'll say this though, I think
that I think that quarterback position, uh, it will definitely
continue to evolve, but I think there's always going to
be a place for a guy with an arm who
can make great decisions and put the ball where it
needs to be. And I will say this, I don't

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think that part will ever leave the game. But I
think that's a lot harder to do than just saying it.
I don't think there's a lot of guys that have
got the decision making and the ball placement ability to to.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
Pull that off. So that's why you have to gravitate sometimes,
you know. I tell you what.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Even on my freshman teams, bootleg and sprint out were
great because with those guys, if they run at the target,
it's all lined up. Just run at your target. Just
run at your target. Don't have to worry about where
your feet go. Man, if you watching kids, you know,
and this is Tony's big thing. He coaches his guys.
You know, a lot of times on the lower body. Man,

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if you want to see a quarterback struggling with his accuracy,
I'll bet you his toes not pointing to the to
where he wants the ball to go.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
That mostly time.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
So yeah, and we'll talk more about quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I think I think we've already made on points with that.
I think we need to move on to the games
of the week.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
I got you. Well, hey, we've got Piefull versus Raceland.
I've got pipeful in this one. They are led by
Chris McNamee, who is a pipe full of love as
when five state titles. They're led by Brendan Anthony both
offensively and defensively. And then they have a three year

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starter at quarterback name is Isaac Doody. And you know,
I know they've had a rough start because they played
an awful good schedule.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
But I'll go ahead and go out on a limb.
I think this will be good. I think that they'll
win this one.

Speaker 9 (29:32):
I do you're picking Pipeful? Yes, yes, I am, Okay,
I've got Raceland. The head football coach is Michael Salmons.
And listen to this, David. In twenty twenty three, they
Raceland was eleven and four and they lost in the
state championship game. They were state runner ups.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
In twenty twenty two, they were thirteen and two and
they lost in the state championship game. They were runner
up twenty twenty one, all right, they were twelve and
two and they had a fourth round semi final loss.
All three of these losses were at the hands of Pipel.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
All three.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
So Pipel has been a thorn in a side for
coach Salmon's and or Salmon's I'm sorry Salmon's and Raceland football.
And I know that that that must be a motivation
for them because most people would say that Pipel might

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be down this year based upon their early performances. I
know they do play a tough schedule, but they might
be down. So far, Raceland has lost to Ashland, which
Aceland should be a pretty good team, and then they
beat Electric County twenty one to fourteen.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
So they're currently one and one. That they've only played
two games. This will be their third game. They're players
that have stuck out so far.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Is running back Land and Stephner he is he's rushed
twenty three times last week or the last game they played,
maybe he had one hundred and sixty five yards and
two touchdowns. And then their quarterback is Ben Parker Iceen.
He was six eleven for seventy six yards. So these
guys are leading the offense so far this year. I

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think that until you can beat them, then they are
the favorite. And he hasn't been able to beat them,
you know, for the three three straight years, and this
could be the fourth.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Yeah, and again I think Raceland's I mean, just you
named him off Raisland's doing a great job.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
They are.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
I just, I just I just think Tyfel right now
is ahead of the game. I think I think Tyfon
is the best programming class A, and I sort of
think it's going to be that way.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
I got an early prediction this year, all right.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I think Campbellsville High School is going to win the
Single A state championship.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that
I got you.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
Hey, that's a that's a good pick. I mean, they've
got a good team.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
And they got a really really strong team this year,
and they're looking really strong with their scores.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Oh yeah, I mean, and.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
I think single AY is down a little bit, so
I think I think Campbellville might sneak in there this year.
That's what I coached there for four years, So I've
got I'm a little bias.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
I got you.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
I've been down there and played Campbellsville when they were
ranked number one. Perry Thomas had them and they were
dogged one good Uh was it? Timmy May's, Marcus Anderson
and Chad Deanery I coached. Guys were good. Yeah, yeah, man,
they were good. Hey, I got a little story I'll
tell real quick. So we're down there playing them. They're

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kicking our tails, but we're finally gonna score late in
the game, make it twenty one to seven, stuffing like that.
Marcus Anderson picks it off in the end zone. He's
gone touchdown. The Campbellsville crowd goes crazy. My free safety
stands on the fifty yard line in the middle of
the field and flies the double bird at the Campbellsville crowd.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
So my d c.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Philip Bourbons grabs he pulls him off the field and
he says, you're gonna pay for that on Monday. My
free safety says, yeah, I know, but it was worth it. Hey,
here's our next one. We got East Carter versus Greenup County.
I went first. Last time, you got East Carter. East
Carter's head coach, Tim Champlin is a pikeful guy. A

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lot of times when I do camps a pipeful. But
you got East, I'll let you take them.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
We got Greenup County.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
I thought you had East take Green If I can
handle East, you go.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
I've got Greenup County and their head football coach is
Travis Jones. He's he's off to a good start this year.
They're off to a three and oh start. They've beaten
two Ohio teams and Russell High School, which Russell's always
a pretty good win. They're they're usually a pretty solid team.
Uh in twenty twenty three. Last year he was six

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and five. But he's got them rolling in the right.
He hasn't been the head coach ever very long. I
don't believe.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
I think he's a seat or third year.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
And we actually one of his assistant coaches, I think
of the offensive line coach, Nevin Johnson. Yeah, sent us
sent us our tough topic question last week. So I know,
I know they got a pretty good staff. If they're
listening to our show, they must be a pretty good staff.
So exactly, but no, he did have a good question,

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and I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Hey, so far this year they're dual threats. Are their their?

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Their player that sticks out among all players is uh
is Tyson Sammons, and he is He's kind of a
dual threat. He's also a defensive star. We had a
question on here about should your quarterback play? Well, this
guy is he's an all around athlete.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
Yeah, he's his.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Last game, he was ten of seventeen force touchdowns at
two hundred and forty one yards passing, and he also
rushed ten times for eighty two yards. And he's also
one of the leading coyplers on the team. So that's
what you're getting out of him.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Whatever East Carter does, it better be focused on stop Sammons.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
You know, and you know Tyson.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
He's been one of my guys and I've done a
little stuff with greenwith County. I can say this about
him going back to my time at Mason when we
would scrimmage and play Green up and see him and
so forth. Salmons is the best football player I've seen
greenwid County have going back in nineteen ninety six. He
is really, really he's an excellent football player, and I

(35:59):
think you're on target. As far as East Carter, their
quarterback is Quinton Johnson. He's been thirteen to twenty four
for one hundred and ninety yards. Their leading rusher is
Landing Yoke. He's averaging about one hundred and twenty five
yards a game as a rusher. They're type receiver foul

(36:20):
and he is also their second leading tackler. They're let
in tackles by Alan Cooper into Sam Beson. Tim has
done a really nice job at East Carter. He's had
them playing in late November and has really, uh, you know,
had a lot of success. I think he's one of
the best young coaches in the state. And uh and

(36:42):
I'm not gonna kid you. I think Greenham's gonna get him,
but I think East Carter's gonna give him a great game.
And uh, East Carter's got him at home. And I
tell you what, I miss those nights going to Eastern Kentucky,
go to East Carter, go to West Carter, go to Russell,
go to ash go to Lawrence County, go to Greenop County,

(37:04):
Boyd County. I missed those nights. And I promise you
the atmosphere at East Carter is going to be really
good for that ball game. And there's some connections there,
you know, Tim, I think, replaced Zach Moore, who had
been the head coach at East Carter, and then Zach
went to become the head coach at Greenham County and

(37:25):
then Travis replaced him. And now Travis' dad was Mike Jones,
who was an excellent offensive coordinator at Russell High School
and Travis I coached against Travis. He played halfback against
my Mason County teams and he's tough as nails. I
mean you had to tackle him and he was not

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gonna go away. He's a heck of a football player
and he's off to a great start as a head coach.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, I think Greenop County would be hard a hard
accomplishment for East harder to be able to pull off too.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
That's who I would pick for the game. But that's
why they play the game.

Speaker 5 (38:02):
That's right. That's right.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
You don't you don't know how it's going to turn out,
so uh, we'll see. But uh but anyway, I'm glad
we had those programs on there, and you know, we
try to move around the state and pick some different games,
and I'm really glad.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
I like those Eastern Kentucky teams, and I'm really glad
we had them tonight. And uh, you know, we'll keep
bouncing around and you know, pick out some good games.
And and also sometimes I think to try to look
for some people maybe that may you know, slip under
the radar a little bit.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
But they're playing some good football. They're doing a good job.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Absolutely, and hey, we appreciate the listeners tuning in and listening,
and hey, don't forget to hang on after we finished
talking and sign off and listen to Max's historical segment
at the end. It's great. I last week was really,
really good.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I didn't know that we had all those famous people
in Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Uh, you know in the in the movies, you know,
so it's really from Louisville Eastern High School. I didn't.
I didn't know that, And I learned something every time
I listened to it.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
He really does.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
He he does a super job, and he's added so
much to this podcast.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
I want to go ahead and mention this. Also.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
Our guest coach next week is going to be Sam
harp Uh, Perennial state championship coach at Danville High also
Callaway County and Anderson County and uh, just one of
the one of the best coaches the state's ever seen.
And uh uh I'm not sure what we've got for
a tough typic yet. We've got some different things that

(39:38):
we've looked that out there, but man, we want you
to send him to us. We want uh, I mean,
we do this for the listeners. We love doing it,
but you know, we want we were this is for obviously,
this is for the listeners. The listeners have been great
for us, just like we saw our numbers jump fifty
eight percent a month of Obviust compared to a year ago.
So uh, you know, uh we we have I mean,

(40:00):
you know, we're we've been pleased with that, but you know,
just to re emphasize the point of you know, we
really do we want uh you know, we we want uh,
we want our listeners to be engaged. Hey, I did
look at this though. Our tough tipic next week will
be from Joe Walters. How does a new coach who
comes to a program and not been successful for several

(40:20):
years reality administration, potential players and parents behind his plans
for the future. So that's going to be a good one,
and uh, I'm looking forward to it and having Coach
Harp and you know, we're we're gonna keep trying to
do the best job we can for our listeners.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
And thank you, Coach would be a great guest for us.
We really appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
And anyway, steak to our tune in next week and
thank you much very much.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
We'll see it.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (40:51):
Sports, and in particular, high school sports are woven into
the fabric of Americana. High school sports are part of
the DNA of communities across the country, and that is
certainly true in Kentucky. Fans know the stories of the
big names, but there are many names and many stories

(41:11):
that have been lost to history. This series highlights those
forgotten heroes. In the fall of nineteen forty, the all
black Lincoln High School in Paducah was one of the
top football teams in the Kentucky High School Athletic League.
The Hornets faced the African American schools from Henderson, Mayfield, Murray, Morganfield, Princeton,

(41:34):
and out of state teams from kro Illinois, Evansville, Indiana,
and Paris, Tennessee. The Hornets rolled to a six' one
in one mark and they were led by their big
All State lineman, Clarence. Clarence stood six foot five and
weighed two hundred and ninety five pounds. Clarence also played
basketball and through the shot put for the Lincoln High

(41:56):
track team. Clarence took his talents to Morgan State College
in Baltimore, Maryland, where he was a three sport athlete.
He led the Bears to the Black College National Football
title in nineteen forty three and nineteen forty four. He
was named to the Black College All American Team both years.
At Morgan State, Clarence earned his nickname which would follow

(42:18):
him for the rest of his career. The business manager
at Morgan State said, I've never seen anything bigger than
you but a house, and from that day forward, Clarence
Games was known as Clarence of Big House Gains. Big
House took a coaching job at Winston Salem in North Carolina,
where he coached football and basketball. He only coached football

(42:41):
for three years, but was named conference Coach of the Year.
He gave up football coaching after the nineteen forty nine
season to coach only basketball, and a basketball coach, Big
House Games became a legend. He led Winston Salem to
the national title in nineteen sixty seven, when the two
team was led by the Great Earl the Pearl Monroe.

(43:03):
He was Conference Coach of the Year six times, and
when he retired, only four coaches had won more games
than big House. Besides Earl Monroe. He coached Cleo Hill,
the first HBCU player picked in the first round of
the NBA Draft, and he coached noted sportscaster Stephen A. Smith.

(43:24):
Big House was National Division Two Coach of the Year
in nineteen sixty seven, and that award today is named
in his honor. He is in the CIAA Hall of Fame,
the NAIA Hall of Fame, the North Carolina Sports Hall
of Fame, and was given the Silver Buffalo Award by
the Boy Scouts of America. He was in the inaugural

(43:45):
induction class of the College Basketball Hall of Fame and
is in the Naysmith Basketball Hall of Fame. The Winston
Salem Athletic Complex is named in his honor, as is
the Winston Salem Athletics Hall of Fame. Clarence once said,
I was an All American in football, but I was
just on the basketball team to have something to do.

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Just having something to do turned out pretty well for
Paducah's Clarence. Big House Games MO