Living in Thailand Was Perfect. Then Vietnam Changed His Mind.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This episode of the Cost of Living a broad pod
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
This week, I sat down.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
With Josh from Josh on the Move to talk about
why so many expats are falling out of love with Thailand.
Are we actually seeing a tourism bubble a full on collapse?
We break down the rising costs in Thailand, compare it
to Vietnam, and dig into what's really going on in
the news about Thailand. Stick around to the end. Josh
reveals how he grew his YouTube channel from under a

(00:28):
thousand subscribers to over sixteen thousand in just one year.
Welcome to cost Living Abroad. This week we are talking
to Josh on the Move. I met him through his
videos on YouTube. He came through Danang. He's got some
huge videos that he put together in Thailand, and he's
also traveled all over Australia and I mean basically all

(00:49):
over the world. So I'm super excited to talk to
you today. Man, do you want to just you know,
say hello, give an introduction.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
To the audience.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
It's good chatting with you. Tell you I appreciate you
have milan and yeah, I mean a little bit about
me I'll try to keep it short and sweet. I'm
a digital nomad. I'm from the UK. I'm thirty one
years old. I've been working as a digital nomad, moving
around mainly Southeast Asia over the past three four five years,
and more recently in the last few years that time

(01:18):
has gone from spending maybe three months outside of the
UK six months to eight months to now. I just
tend to go back a few months each year to
visit family, see friends, mainly based out of Thailand, but
have traveled numerous times to Vietnam, up and down the
country twice in both directions, spent time there living as
a digital nomad, traveled most parts of Australia. I have

(01:41):
family over there, so I've been fortunate enough to have
free accommodation, which has meant I've always had a base
there to travel from, and I've been as far as
New Zealand, which is as pretty much as far as
you can get from the UK. I work in the
health and fitness industry. I help people predominantly with movement
based solutions, and I've been doing that for ten years

(02:04):
and more recently the last few years, I went fully
in on online in that space and I.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Do some video editing and YouTube as well.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
A place where you based spend your time in Bangkok
or in the islands or no.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Actually, so Bangkok's probably my least favorite, not that I
don't like it, not that I don't like Bangkok, but
it's probably my least favorite place to spend substantial amount
of time a weekend or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
It's cool.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Mainly I like to base myself like where I am
now in Piquette or I also like Coasting Movie.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
They tend to be the three places I'll spend most
of my time.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
I haven't been to Kosta Movie since twenty eleven, which
sounds stupid. It makes me sound so old, but it
was really interesting. I felt like some Movie is a
pretty developed place, like fifteen years ago, but just I mean,
it sounds like it's insanely well developed, like almost like
as much as Fuquet.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
It is, but it seems to be a little bit
more condensed there, like Piquette is a bit more or
spread out. You can go to multiple parts of the
island and it feel pretty developed most places. Now there's
a few spots that it isn't, whereas some MOOI seems
to be that northeast kind of area like Showing and
down in the south like Lamai, and a little bit

(03:15):
up into Fisherman's Village. But then you get out of
that and the beach is much quieter. The areas are
much quieter, the roads are a little bit quieter as well,
and it's a bit smaller. It's still very developed, it's
very touristy, but it isn't.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Quite like Paquette yet. I wouldn't say.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
What's the cost difference between back home and red and
versus paquet for your your standard breakfast, lunch, and dinner,
like what you spend on feeding yourself in a day.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
I would actually say this might surprise some that it
is comparable, because I'm where I'm at, I don't have
a full kitchen set up, and I'm quite lazy in
that sense. I would rather go out and get some food,
put down my laptop, maybe spend a bit more than
what I would if I was getting some food and
cooking it myself, and just be out and be able

(04:05):
to experience that. Because back home, I wouldn't be eating
out all the time. I'd be I ended, I'd be
cooking it at home. I would yeah have more means
of making food cheaper. However, considering I spend nearly the
same amount here as I do back home, Yet back home,

(04:26):
I would be eating in ninety percent, whereas here I'm
eating out ninety percent.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I think that shows the big difference there in cost.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
So what's the cast? How much do you spend? Like
pounds are about three pounds about four US dollars I
think right now.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
So I would be spending around here somewhere between fifteen
and twenty English pounds a day. So what we're looking
at maybe like late twenties to early thirty US dollars.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Okay, So I mean that's pretty high. That's like, you
know what, eight hundred, nine hundred dollars a month something
like that.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, most people get surprised by my food. But in fact,
on the video I've done in the Nang of my
cost of living there, the amount of comments so I said,
I had from people saying, WHOA, that's way too expensive,
like you're getting ripped off. So I know it's not.
It's not too expensive. It's not a rip off. Because
I'm always aware that I spend a disproportionate amount of
my expenses on food each month. I like to eat well.

(05:23):
I eat a lot of meat. I eat a lot
of fresh fruit, veg. I eat quite a lot of
food throughout the day. And for me, that's just an
expense that no matter where I am on the planet,
it will always be a high expense, and I'm quite
content with that.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
I cut back in other ways.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I've talked to out other people less digitus momotapes. Actually
it's usually been more a couple of people have families
who have kids who are like especially things like quality meat,
free range, organic fruits. They're just like, that's a high
priority in their life, and as a result, it's a
high pride in their budget. And I think that that's
something maybe that's a bit of a misconception too, right,

(05:59):
Like one of the things you can do here is
you know, you know exactly what you're doing is that
you don't necessarily have to save money, but through geo arbitrage,
the same amount of money buys you an exceptionally higher
quality of life.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
I've got friends that are doing the same or live
in out this neck of the woods, and they aren't
holding back, but they are just viewing it exactly how
you just explained. That they're spending the same amount of
money but their quality of life is just exceptionally high.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
People who are thinking about this, dreaming about doing what
we're doing right, And I think it's one of the
things I hope I do when we have these conversations,
is just like show people that anyone can do this
and that there's no like, there's no real rule book, right,
Like it's of course people can help you and guide
you and tell you their own experience, but it's like
there's no right way to like leave the UK and

(06:52):
live in Thailand, right, there's no like correct way to
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Speaker 3 (07:44):
Quite often we'll get a question like from It actually
tends to be from like many people in the fitness
industry because they've seen what I've done and that they
maybe want the same at some point, and they say,
how many clients did you have when you first done it?

Speaker 2 (07:58):
How much money did you have saved? Much of this?

Speaker 3 (08:00):
But the reality is, again what you just said is
it's different for everyone. You have a different risk tolerance,
You have a different outlook on what you need to
have saved in the bank to feel happy.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Is it one thousand pound? Is it one hundred thousand pounds?

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Is it that you need to be spending out two
thousand dollars on your accommodation each month? Is it that
you're going to be spending five hundred dollars on your
accommodation each month?

Speaker 2 (08:27):
I think the main thing.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Is that you feel comfortable and that you want to
do it, and if you do in my opinion, anyone
can do it and you can make it happen.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, I feel strongly about that. I also feel I
really feel that way, not just about enjoying yourself and
living in Southeast Asia, but about the earning online component.
I think that a lot of people are actually more
afraid of that part, right, like more afraid to leave
a traditional job the safety of the office with the
safety of an employer back home, maybe a four K

(08:56):
savings plan or health interns plan. So well, let's get
into that aspect. And what about your monthly expenses for
like running your whole online digital nomad operation, like everything
from subscriptions to Wi Fi to you know, phone tim cards,
et cetera. And then also maybe any other sort of
setup like gear cost stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, so in terms of my whole set up with business,
it's around like two hundred to two hundred and fifty
US dollars a month, and that will be things like
coaching software that I use to host my training programs

(09:36):
and where.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
I can contact people and all of that.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
I also may have some subscriptions to things like Canva
or Loom where I can do voice recordings and share
my screen and do presentations for clients or give them
valuable feedback on certain things within that. I then have
my editing software that I use and at the minute,
it's just cap cut.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Again.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
This is one thing that a lot of people over
analyze and obsess about, is like which editing software do
I need?

Speaker 2 (10:05):
This? Which? That?

Speaker 3 (10:07):
But not to go off on too much of a
tangent there, but if budget is your main priority, just
look for the cheapest or free ones that you can use,
and just use.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
That riverside now to do the online podcast and interviews.
And it's like the fastest, most efficient, least resistance is
what is what I want?

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Right?

Speaker 1 (10:25):
I don't want like all the features, the bells and whistlers.
You just want what's the easiest thing to get my
content out right to reach your clients or your audience
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Now I am creating content on YouTube, which isn't my
main source of income, but is a source of income.
I need to consider things like storage, Like I have
a couple of SSD hard drives that I have external
to my laptop and things like that. When they get full,
you might need to buy some more space in the cloud,
or you might need to buy another hard drive. You

(10:55):
might need a small less D card, or or something
might go wrong with your camera equipment, or you might
I need a new microphone.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Stuff like this.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
But as we touched on, most of the time you
can get by with less than what you think you need.
The other stuff is nice to have when you have
set plus funds to buy it, or when you can
justify it after things start making you a certain amount
of money.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
What about you said you're primarily in Thailand now, but
you definitely more than me. I mean you're literally on
the move, you definitely move around. What do you spend
as sort of like a monthly average or you could
also do it as like a yearly total and you
could just divide it. I'm literal like getting around transportation
visas all, you know, that nomadic aspect of it.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Probably more than I wish I would. But that being said,
and just me being totally transparent, I tend not to
budget specifically for that, and because at the end of
the day, the way I look at that is, if
I need to go back to the UK right now
and need to there's an emergency for one reason, then
I would need to get up and go. I would

(11:58):
need to pay whatever I had to pay for that flight,
and I would just have to grin and bear it
and do that.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
What do I budget across the year?

Speaker 3 (12:08):
I really wouldn't want to be spending much more than
like two hundred dollars a month on that. Yeah, because
you know, let's say if I'm back in the UK
for three of them months, that's three months of zero,
zero spending on that.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
If I'm then Australia.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Like I just was for six weeks, that's six weeks
of no spending on that. And all I needed there
was for a visa in Australia. There's no cost for
a visa in the UK, and as of right now,
there's no cost for a visa in Thailand for the
amount of time that I actually spend in Thailand.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
I'm kind of not loopholes. I'm just.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Not so committed to one place where I'm having to
spend visa costs. However, if I was to renew in Thailand,
like I'd done twice last year, it was around fifty
dollars ago and that was every around six weeks.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, that's an interesting ask for it too, because one
of the things I talked to is like, what especially
A lot of my audience are a bit older guys,
guys who are thinking of retiring, And one of the
first things I always ask them, like, well, do you
like legitimately want to full time retire and live in
Vietnam or you just thinking of like wintering or spending
temporary time here. Because if you're spending temporary time in Vietnam,

(13:26):
you can do ninety day e visa, go somewhere for
a weekend, right, go to Bangkok, go to fuqu go
to Petilla, go to wherever you want, call them for
and then come back and have another ninety day visa
and for like right like for like literally fifty dollars,
you can have an easy like totally like transactional. You
don't have to go to an embassy, you don't have
to go to consulate, like you just apply online. You

(13:49):
can be here six months of the year, like it's that.
And then I think they overthink it too, like they're like,
how do I get a permanent residence since like, like
you haven't even set foot in Southeast Asia? Just condotgree that.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
I think the important factor of that is you'd need
somewhere back home. You need like for me, I have
some family back home, but when I do go back home,
I'm living in someone else's residence.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I don't have a place in the UK.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
So that's an important driver for me not wanting to
be their parages. Like I love my family, I love
to help me out, but I don't want to live
with twenty four to seven.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
It would drive me mad. Do you want to live
there permanently?

Speaker 3 (14:26):
And if you do, then yeah, part in ways with
your residence back home is one way to do it.
But if you don't, then, especially if you own a place,
and if you're from the UK, if you're on the
property ladder like airbnbing out your place, renting out your
place like accommodation is cheap enough in Southeast Asia to

(14:46):
get by without needing to sell your assets back home.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
In terms of property, let's try, and let's use that
as a segue into what do you spend rent on?
You know, what's your budget for living expenses in tail
and how does it very compared to when you're in
say Vietnam or other places, and so in.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Terms of value for money, Vietnam is the best place
I've been full stop, not in Southeast Asia, anywhere I've
been the value for money that you get in terms
of accommodation in Vietnam is better. I would probably argue
the same goes for food and most things in Vietnam,
but in terms of accommodation, I would probably be one
in spend between like five hundred to seven hundred dollars

(15:27):
in Vietnam for like a nice place, bearing in mind
I'm going there for a short period. If you're going
for a longer period, you're going to get a much
better deal than that. And then in Thailand, depending on
where I am, I would hope to pay the same,
but it's very unlikely I would be. Like the place
I'm in right now is about eight hundred US dollars
a month, and I'm sure if I was going to

(15:48):
be here six or twelve months so I could negotiate
that down, but I'm only doing it month by month currently.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Is it like a one bedroom condo in Pouquet or yeah?

Speaker 3 (15:58):
One details one bed condos, separate bedroom, separate living space.
The living space isn't huge, the bedroom has a nice
king sized bed, big wardrobes, nice clean, spacious bathroom, separate
kitchen area. For eight hundred dollars per month, it's worth
noting down that if you were to come here during

(16:19):
the high season, you're gonna look to pay a fair
bit more than that.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, fair bit more.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
I have like a Google sheet CSL like XSL like
spreadsheet that I make that's like a cost of living calculator.
And it's basically so that you can like plug in
your US dollar number. So we could take like Dnang
in and then like type in Fouket or whatever. And
this is based on like crowdsourced information, and you can
compare like any two places in the world, right, And

(16:48):
it's so I don't know if that's true. This says
the cost of living is seventy two percent higher in
Touquette than in Danang, and it will compare like rent prices,
et cetera. So I put it together a spreadsheet that
I call my cost of living calculator, and it takes
the data, like the number from that website and you
can put it in your like your standard monthly expenses

(17:08):
back home in the US, or like your UK expenses
and US dollars, and then it like spits out a
number for like the comparison from like Vietnam versus Thailand
versus whatever, and I do. I mean it's it's updated
pretty regularly. It still kind of blows me away that
like Vietnam is like as it's like as you say,
like it's literally as cheap as anywhere in the world.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
About the pros and cons, I think that in terms
of I actually mentioned this in one of the videos
I've done, is I think Danang is great for living.
I think if I was going on a holiday, there
would be better places I would choose to go because
in terms of things to do, there's more things to
do elsewhere, and on a holiday that's kind of what
you want to do. You want to fill it with

(17:47):
activities you want to or at least I would. I
would want to be doing things. Plenty of options at
least where. And it's not like you'd be bored in Danang.
It's the the Yeah, there's not as much to do
if you're looking for just tons of activities. In that sense, however,
you are getting the costs, you are getting the people,

(18:09):
you are getting a great location, you are getting the
ocean right there. So there's yeah, there's pros and cons
to everywhere, and I do think you have to if
you're considering making the move, have to think what am
I willing to give up is not necessarily about what
you want what you want to have, You need to
be thinking about what you are willing to give up

(18:30):
because no country has it all, and Vietnam is no exception,
Thailand is no exception. In Australia, the UK is no exception. I,
for one, at this period in my life, would rather
have the things that South East Asia provides me over
the things that the UK provides me. For the majority
of my year, however, I do adventure things from the

(18:51):
UK when I'm away for long enough. Not many things,
not many things, but just two things, getting a little
bit of a fix of that. Do you want to
do that? Do you want to visit your home country?
Do you want to do you want to spend some
time there each year? Or are you happy with platting
ways with that and going the other way forever? Do
you really hate your country or do you hate your
way of life? Because I hear about that a lot,

(19:13):
and I see a ton of videos. You've never really
seen me shit on the UK in the sense of, yeah,
there's a lot of things I don't like, and I'll
talk about them, but I'll never say the country is
just a bad country because it was where I was born,
it's where I'm from, where most of my family are,
and also a country that has a lot of good things,

(19:34):
but it just has some bad things that every country has,
And it's just about looking at that and seeing what
you really want and just being honest with yourself of like, right,
am I willing to give up the a little bit
of the more traditional sense of hygiene of what I'm
you to do? Am I willing to give up the
little bit of order in the traffic because I want

(19:57):
to just keep the traffic flowing, albeit you might have
somebody coming from the left on a scooter, from the
right on a scooter. You might have someone beep in,
someone carrying a bean pole from a construction site across
six lanes of traffic. You know, there's you can't have both.
You can't have orderly traffic and never any accidents or
incidents at the same time as you want freedom and

(20:18):
bess rules or a few less enforced rules.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
You know, it makes me think of certain certain states
in America, less so as much, but definitely in like
the seventies and eighties and the nineties, and like when
I was a kid growing up the sort of free
estates like that, you know, freedom and whatever. They're also
the most dangerous, right, Like, that's just part of it,
Like no motorcycle, helmets, less laws, less whatever. Like it's
that whole idea of like, you know, being on the

(20:42):
frontier the wild West is dangerous. It's literally dangerous, but
it's also that feeling of freedom, right that I'm sure
you've felt that feeling driving on a motorbike somewhere in
Thailand and Vietnam wherever. And it's it's real. That's definitely
part of it.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
It makes me, It makes me to build alive. Man
makes me feel alive, and it's a.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Big part of that.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
I don't like being micromanaged every movement and everything, and
I think that's a huge appeal that I think probably
deep down a lot of the guys that come to
this part of the world maybe we realized, maybe we don't.
I don't think I could quite put my finger on
what I loved about this part of the world for
a long time, but without doubt it's the not being micromanaged,

(21:25):
not being like every last thing. I'm not getting a
ticket for just going thirty two and a thirty like
one for one second that I accidentally done. It's just
that sense of freedom that I feel here that I
don't feel back in the UK.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Let's let's wrap up the monthly budget comparison, because I
think that I do still think for me, like you're saying,
I'm proud to be a Canadian. I love a lot
of things about Canada. I had many fantastic years in
multiple different cities in Canada. But at the end of
the day, the biggest motivation for me was cast living.
It was just a simple numerical comparison that like doing

(22:03):
the same job in this part of the world, I
could have a much better quality of life for me
and now for my family. So which you're like, overall
what you spend in a month in Thailand and then
what the sort of equivalent would cost you back home
an hour outside of land.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Well, let's put some of the biggest expenses I have out.
Let's say then I would spend around eight hundred eight
hundred US dollars, maybe six hundred to eight hundred on food,
and then on my accommodation I would spend around eight

(22:41):
hundred to around eight hundred on average US dollars on
accommodation here in Southeast Asia, and then in terms of
my scout rental, I average between one hundred and one
hundred and twenty pounds, which I believe is like somewhere
in the region of one thirty to one sixty US dollars,
and then.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
A few little bits in between.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
That maybe you're looking at, probably in Thailand, somewhere like
fifteen hundred to eighteen hundred English pounds currently in Pouquet,
that would that cost would come down if I was
in somewhere like Qua Hin, but that is the cost
currently here in Vietnam.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
That was coming down quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
If I was to live this same way in the UK,
it would probably cost me two to.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Two to three.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Times that same amount, and then I would need to
be working a lot more to fund that. So to
fund the same lifestyle, I would need to be working
a lot more and then earn more to be able
to spend more but have less time.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
You put the number on it, the number is eighteen
hundred pounds, which is a little bit under twenty five
hundred dollars US. And then at home you would probably
spend two to three times that five thousand to maybe
seventy five hundred WORRI at about twenty five hundred a
month in Denaying and at home in Toronto. I think, yeah,
would be at least sort of in the six to
seven thousand range, if not more, because some things are

(24:17):
so far out of whack, right, Like you know, the
equivalent of like the forty dollars scooter would be like
probably going to be one thousand to fifteen hundred dollars
a month, have a car, insurance, gas, you know. Like,
so it is hard to compare those things. But people
do live still in DAUSI stayja on one thousand dollars
a month. You can YouTube obviously loves to push out

(24:39):
in the algorithm videos like that the under one thousand bucks.
It's a whole niche in itself. But I think that, Yeah,
as a single traveler nomad, it's just like, it's exactly
how we started this conversation. For twenty five hundred dollars,
your quality of life here is phenomenal. If, as you're
saying too, you're spending less hours a week online or

(25:02):
sorry working, it's really hard to measure that kind of
quality cost, right that you and I had the same way, Like,
how do I measure the fact that I spend hours
more every single day with my kids. What is that worth?

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Right?

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Like literally, yeah, it's a really really good point. It's like, yeah,
the the quality of life is just is the big
driver because the cost is one thing, but the cost
of verse quality of life. I think that's the important
factor because, like you say about the under one thousand
dollars a month, I've done it.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Would I do it again? No? Like would I want
to do it again? No? But I've done it. Could
I do it again? Yeah? I probably could. It wouldn't
be awful, but it just wouldn't be great.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
It would cut out a lot of things that I
like doing, and that is a huge plus point for me.
Is like, yeah, the cost of living, but it's what
I get for the cost of living.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Let's dive in now into like sort of what we
touched on just in conversation before, but more specifically, like
the pros and the cons that you know, the things
that pull you towards specific reasons or maybe push you
away from home or what you're fed up with about.
So let's start with Thailand in particular, and Quet and
Chewang and the places you mentioned being drawn to what

(26:15):
are sort of the diade from cost of living two
or three things that really keep you coming back to
that area, to that spot.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, sure, good question.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
One is the weather and although at this time of
the year it's hot, humid, that there is still like
it rained for about half an hour here in Puquet
earlier today and for the next couple of hours the
air was cooler, the humidity was down. And then we're
still getting some sunshine each each day, and well most days,
and then some days it's sunny for most of the day,

(26:47):
look like hot and humanism for everyone. And I do
think that that is both a pro and a con.
Some days it is intense and some days, as you'll know,
like ind Nang at the minute, I've heard, it's like
really hot and humid. Yeah, but it's like can you
tolerate that? And also it's not like that all the time.

(27:07):
It's like, yeah, there's that side. But coming from the UK,
the weather, weather's fucking terrible. Man, It's like it's it's
just it's not good. It's just not good at all.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
My god.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
I called my parents the other day and they said
they were with their friend. They were having dinner on
their like the patio like terrace in front of their
house in Toronto on May thirty first, it was ten
degrees and they were all wearing their jackets.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's not about that, it's not about the hat.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
So yeah, that's that's a huge, huge part of it
for me, because if you're from the UK, or if
you've never been, or if you know a little bit
about it, you know, the majority of the time is gray.
It's never like so cold like you would get in
some parts of the northern Hemisphere, like the Scandinavian countries
or certain parts of Russia, or certain parts of the
US and Canada. It still gets cop but the flip

(28:04):
side is it doesn't really get that hot either, So
you have this middle ground where it usually rains, it's
usually overcast, and it's usually not warm enough to go
out in just shorts and t shirt in the winter.
It doesn't know that much. It's just like an averagely
bad place to have weather. It's just like the weather

(28:24):
just generally is. When it is good, it's great when
the like the sun, when the sun shine in, it's
a nice clear day, whether it be cold or hot
in the summer, old and clear day in the winter,
it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
It is.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Our countryside is some of the best in the world,
but the weather is a huge negative for me, and
the weather in Southeast Asia is a huge plus. Outside
of the cost of living, as we mentioned, just that
sense of freedom that you have here, Like I do
always try and ride my scooter with a helmet. I'm
not perfect. Sometimes I'll hop on and I'll be sweaty
and I can't be bothered whatever, but I do always

(28:57):
try to. But that sense of if you don't want to, like, yeah,
you might get a fine, but you're getting a fine
because it's illegal and against the law, but they're also
not gonna You can still go about your day.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
You can still just crack on.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
And it's kind of like like that, you just have
a sense of freedom and if you're only going to
the shop, you're probably going to be fine. And you
know what, Yeah, you may not be allowed to, but
no one's going to judge you if you do or
don't as well, like you kind of live and let
live within you know, some constraints in terms of just
being respectful and then and then other elements of meeting

(29:33):
people that you probably wouldn't meet if you are just
in a small circle back home, or if you are
still in the same friendship groups or the same area
you grew up. You tend to have met the people
that you will have met, and people tend to be
doing things with their lives, are very comfortable and settled.
And if you are someone that has different goals or

(29:54):
different vision or different idea of life, sometimes you may
not think the same. You might not have the same conversation,
so you feel a little bit less fulfilled. And that
is a huge part of it for me as well.
And then another pro is like I love training in
the heat. I've had surgery in my left shoulder, I've
told my meniscus in my right knee, I've told my
labor and my right shoulder, and you know, in the

(30:14):
winter months and when it's cold, even in the months
when it's just like fifteen degrees, my body doesn't feel
that good. And being here in the warmer climate, I
feel a lot more. I feel a lot looser. I
can train like and I can be active, and yeah,
it might be hot, but my joints don't feel like
they belong to a ninety five year old geriatric patron.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Okay, I need to have a follow up question on
that one because I twice. I was one of the
real like draws for me about Southeast Asia, in particular
in Vietnam when I first came is that when I
was a bit younger, I was really serious about rock climbing.
I'm just like it was one of my full on passions.
I loved it, you know, every weeking minute I'd be
either at the gym or playing on my next trip.

(30:54):
And then I shredded my meniscus, Like, I tore it
twice really badly. The second time I had to have
like basically just have my whole knees scraped out. But
I had it done in Sagon, and I had a
pretty good experience. So what are your experiences of healthcare
back home versus have you had injuries in Thailand? Like,
I know you do my type pretty seriously.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Right.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
My hobby is is I'm not serious about it compared
to any of these guys, Like, but I'm seriously I'm
serious in terms of my interest, I'm not serious in
terms of my abilities.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, I didn't say I was a pro ra claim.
I just said I was passionate.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah, I want to make that clear before anyone lines
me up with some of the fucking fighter that.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Had an injury in Thailand or somewhere else and like
been like I had to go to the hospital, gone
through the system.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Actually, I'm still nursing a bit of a toe injury.
I kicked.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
I kicked someone a little bit wrong last year, and
I thought I broke my toe and it was caused
me some problems.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
And I went and got X ray and.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Had a really really good experience in a Thai hospital.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Actually I went in and in fact, let me take
you back to the start.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
I emailed someone. They got back to me. They said, sure,
come in tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Came in.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
From the time I came in to my appointment. I
walked in, checked in, got chauffeurd, I get from a
nurse or with a nurse, and showed me around, showed
me where to go, introduce me to the doctor. I
explained things. They sent me for an X ray. I
came back, got consulted with the doctor. He explained that
luckily I hadn't broken my toe despite it hurting very.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Bad, and then got discharged. Paid the fee.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
I think it was around fifty either fifty pounds or
fifty US dollars. I've weigh between fifty and sixty US
dollars somewhere in that region. I was in and out,
I believe in thirty two minutes. So yeah, it was
a really good experience, really good.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
What would the experience be like back home if you
had similar injuries or when you've had similar injuries back home,
what's the experience like?

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Look like, we we don't get the NHS for free
because if we pay taxes, if we pay National insurance
like it, it contributes towards it. So it's not free,
but it's as near to free as you can get.
So it would be hard to complain about the NHS
because when you need them, they generally are very good

(33:17):
in terms of an emergency situation in terms of like
something life or death there, and then they are very
good in terms of needing something below emergency. It's not
the best serve it. It's not the best procedure and protocol.
It's quite difficult and time consuming to get an appointment,
to see the right people and to actually get the

(33:39):
help you needed. If I was to for example, hurt
my big toe like or for a broke a bone,
if I was to go into the emergency room, or
we call it any accident and emergency. Then potentially you
would be waiting four to six hours, maybe eight hours
on a busy day just to see someone, and then
you would have to go through the X ray procedure
and everything else. So you're talking about lengthy time. Albeit

(34:03):
you would come out and you would have no bill
to pay, So there is a pro and con there.
Personally for me, in terms of the experience, I would
rather pay that bit of money. However, if that fee
was five pounds, maybe I would be saying something different.
Maybe I'd be happy to wait that duration. I've also
had to see doctors for other things like a prescription

(34:24):
at different stages, or want some medication for one thing
or another, and it's been a really good experience. Again,
you do pay, but the fee is very reasonable, affordable,
and the biggest thing for me is the time it
takes is straight.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
The care is like tiered here or whatever. Right, So
there's like public hospitals, private clinics, private hospital and et cetera.
But it's all about depending on if you have international
travel insurance or if you don't, you're paying out of pocket.
Do you do travel insurance, like do you have safety
wing or anything like that or you just go for it.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, I use safety wing, I have travel insurance. I'd
never be about it. And I think if you're in
the older demographic, like it's a no brainer. I know
it might be a little bit more costly with each
year that goes by, but you can't be without it.
It's one of them things, a bit like I know,
it's a bit like a raincoat. You want to have

(35:15):
it and not need it, rather than need it and
not have it.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Let's talk about how do you make money online? How
do you make money while you're living in a bride.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
So I think we're in the age of.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Too many options, because you know you're here, somebody say,
I do e commerce, I do drop shipping, I.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Do this, I do that.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
I you know, I'm a closer for a sales company.
There's a lot of options, and I think it can
be a little bit overwhelming. And I still find it
quite overwhelming here of all these different things. And I
think it's about choosing what you're probably good at, what
you can get paid for, and what is available to
you and just sticking with one or two things or
two or three things. So for me personally, I've been

(36:00):
I got my personal trainer qualification ten years ago. Since then,
I've done infinite amount of further education on so many
different things in the fitness space, and more recently over
the past like five six years, that's been in biomechanics
and like injury rehab. So I just bridged the gap
and paired up my fitness coaching with movement and biomechanics,

(36:22):
and that is my main source of income. I help
people look good whilst helping their body move well as well.
I work with people one to one with coaching clients.
And soon I think I'm gonna launch more of like
a general program because my audience is now bigger.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
I've got like sixteen thousand.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Subs on YouTube I believe now, so now my audience
is bigger, I'd like to open that to more people
that don't need to pay a premium to work with
me one to one. So there's that option. And like,
let's say, for instance, a lot of travel channels might
or if you were considering creating content, then you could
sell some kind of travel guide or stuff like that. Again,

(36:58):
that's going on on a slight tangent rather than explaining
what I do for my income.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
And then and then I do some video edits in
but that's ad hoc.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
If if somebody wants me to do some form of
video editing for them, maybe they've seen some of my
videos or seen some of my short form videos and
want some want some help with that, then I would
do it for them. And then I obviously do YouTube
now as well. So there's that they're the YouTube and
my coaching is the main thing, with my fitness coaching
being number one and YouTube being number two.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
It's a misconception that most people earn the majority of
their money online as like byThe logging or by like
ad sense or something like that. So how did you
how did you get your in person and personal training
business to an online business?

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Like?

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Where is the shift where you went from working one
to one with people to one to one online?

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:49):
So the shift was twenty eighteen when I had first
came to Asia and I was like, I need to
get back out I need to get back out here
on personal training back home, which is fine, but this
is a whole other world. I love it out here.
It feels like it just feels like me. So I
went back, I started looking into it. I got my

(38:09):
first client and I was charging them a criminally low price,
where if I continued doing that, I would probably be
working twenty three hours of the day and still not
like breaking even. But it was my first sign that
I could make money online. It was my first inkling
of a future that I actually wanted to have that

(38:31):
was positive. So I continued doing that. I continued refining
the process until I got to a place where I
could charge a little bit more, where my service was
slightly better. And then I figured out how I could
reach more people online, help more people online than I
could in person, and deliver a better service online than
I could in person.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
And then I just went for it.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
And all I do is, let's say somebody has some
form of injury or some form of goal. We run
through an assessment. I work closely with my clients one
to one. I give them tongues of support and will
speak to them on a very very very regular basis,
and then, based on everything they've told me and based
on my years of experience, I will build them a

(39:11):
plan that is going to get them either out of
pain or back in shape, or a bit of both.
And then I deliver that through a coaching platform online
that is like I've been using for years and that
the system is pretty straightforward now and simple. As long
as I've got all the relevant info from them, I
can do that. And you could argue that aside from

(39:31):
anything that is physical or requires manual therapy like I know, massage, haircut,
and mechanic, you could probably do most things online that
you can do in person. Is it better online certain elements,
It's more convenient for both the user and the provider myself,
But is it better in terms of the actual experience

(39:53):
and ease of it and the connection of it. No,
in person I think will always be better. But can
you match it at least? Yes, you can, But there's
certain little things. You know, Let's say, for instance, this
connection cut out right now, which ninety nine times out
one hundred it wouldn't, but there's that point you know,

(40:13):
the connection isn't going to cut out in real life.
It kind of just like disappears like the Wilie. So
there's little bits that can't ever be replaceable or from.
For instance, for me, if I'm coaching someone, I can
actually touch them and move their shoulder in the right place,
or help them get their knee in the right place
or something like that that is more difficult online. But
with experienced in any profession like my own, you eventually

(40:36):
develop the skills and communication to be able to get
people to So.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Did you start YouTube as a way to like to
reach clients and like to grow your business or did
you start YouTube as like a passion hobby part of
your traveling.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
So when I hit upload for the first time was
just I've been thinking about it for a long time,
and then maybe three years ago I hit upload and
there's about four or five videos that no one's ever seen,
and looking back now it is funny. But it was
just a start as something you need to be shipped
before you can be good. I still don't consider myself
good or natural or like an expert of anything, but
I just consider myself like as improving. But the first

(41:11):
time I hit upload, it was it was like anything.
It is super scary, it's super strange. I didn't too
to support my current business as is totally unrelated, totally separate,
more related a bit about digital nomad, a little bit
about exercise and fitness, but more and more related to lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Rather would I make more money and.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Would it have more more impact in the sense of
from a business and financial standpoint, if I related it
to my coaching one hundred percent, would I still feel
as passionate about it?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Definitely not.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
You have a big audience, man, you whatever fixteen seventeen
thousand subs. I mean, by the time people watch this,
you could easily have twenty or twenty five thousand subs.
You have videos that are close to a million views.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
It's a bit surreal sometimes to see it as well.
And like, I still I don't count myself as a
YouTuber or anything like that. I just like, I still
just enjoy the whole process. Probably the least part I
enjoy is, believe it or not, I don't love being
in front of the camera and speaking to the camera
all the time. I sometimes find that quite awkward. Once
I get going, sometimes it's fine, And when I say

(42:13):
the right things, I'm like, yes, go on, you said it.
When I say the wrong things, I'm like, man, what
the fuck are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Like shut up?

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Like we will have moments like that, but the whole editing,
the whole planning, the whole.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Process of it.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
And then when you click upload after something you're quite
proud of and you're happy with, that's the.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Part I love, and that's when we come back for more.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
And that's what I've really enjoyed that, you know, being
able to piece it all together. Because I'm a YouTube enthusiast.
I've always watched you. I love watching all things YouTube.
I love watching all things Southeast Asia and travel. Now
I can create videos that can help people in the
way that other videos help me and that I enjoy
making in places that I've really enjoyed being in.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
I'll just get a buzz off. Ith.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, if I hit upload and I feel good about
a thing. If like whenever an hour later it's like
a ten out of ten my worst video, I might
feel bummed for like a minute. But I also know
from my own experience making videos on YouTube and from
watching other channels, that YouTube is actually evergreen.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
No, I don't think there is an and the evergreen
aspect of YouTube I think is it's huge. Like I've
been posting on Instagram for ten years now, I'm pretty
consistently until recently, it's been posting, you know, sometimes five
days a week throughout the year, and and the content
you can put a lot of effort in sometimes and

(43:39):
it just goes into the abyss within about five days.
It is always there for references there. It can blow
up later down the line, but it feels more accessible
too because you have the search bar. Somebody can always
search for something and if that pops up, it doesn't
matter if it's a month old, six months old, or
six years old. It will still be there for people

(44:00):
to click on, and as long as it's still relevant,
it will still be useful.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Because we're talking more about creating and making stuff and
putting stuff out there online, we'll get back to the
Southeast age aspect of it. But what's a piece of
advice or something you'd say, you know, to the person,
to the friend, to whoever who is still sort of
thinking about whatever, making videos or uploading unto YouTube, But

(44:25):
has you know one of the million mental blocks.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
I don't want to be a cliche and say just
go for it, because that's not useful. But I would say, like,
do it for the right reasons. Do you want to
do it or have you romanticized it in your brain
and think it's the right thing to do, And that's
that's the best thing to do.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Because it's not for everyone.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
It can take away from moments sometimes like if you
go somewhere and you're thinking, right, I need to shoot content,
but you want to enjoy the pla.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
I try and pick one. Now I didn't you, so
I try to do both. I will try and pick
one and be like, right, I'm either going to enjoy
it or shoot content, or I will know exactly what
I want to shoot and I will shoot that and
then I'll put my stuff away, because otherwise you just
find yourself neither here or there, and it's hard being
present and doing it from a purely business sense.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Be honest about it, but don't expect to love it.
Because if you are doing it from a promotional standpoint
for your business of some sort, then that sounds that's cool,
but you just you should do it with that in mind.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
You should treat it as such.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
But I do think if you're doing it from a
longevity standpoint and you're not an expert on it, then
I think the passion needs to be there because you're
going to be shit at it for a little while.
You're going to suck at it. You're going to make
some videos that either don't do well, you will get trolls.
I've had a family member literally asked me a couple
of days ago saying just read through your comments or

(45:56):
like few of the trollers so to speak, and how
do you deal with it jokes, i'd have you came
up with a coper mechanism. And I remember the first video,
I got a bunch of trolls on and it it
really really was stressing me out, really stressing me out.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I can't lie.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
I can't sit here and say it wasn't. I think
that would be disingenuous with me. It stressed me out bad.
But then the video continued to do better, and I
realized that there was a lot of positive And it
wasn't the fact that there was so many negative comments.
It was the fact that our brains are hardwired over
millions of well a long time, rather than billions of
years a long time to focus on the negative, focus

(46:34):
on the threat, and if there's nine positive comments and
one negative one, you'll gravitate towards that. So if you're
serious about it, you need to be serious about understanding
that not everyone will like everything. You'll get some hate,
you'll get some people talk shit. But at the end
of the day, if you were to go back to
school and there was thirty people in the class, there
was probably a few people in the class you didn't like,

(46:55):
and there was probably a few people that didn't like you,
you know. So it is what it is, and it
just because it's out there for the internet. Don't worry
about it. Like it's just one of them things. Man,
they're going to be everywhere, and now when I get them,
I find them funny. I still have to fight myself
to not comment sarcastically all the time and respond, but
it is what is like that person is either usually jealous,

(47:17):
they're misunderstanding something, or in fact, this was what I
responded the other day, in simple terms, I said to
my member of the family that asked me, I said
to them, well, it's one of two things. Either there's
some truth to it, in which case I can learn
from it, and I'm absolutely fine with that. If somebody
said something negatively and there's some truth to it, I

(47:38):
will look at it and I will actually go away
and try and improve on it. Or if there's no
truth to it, then who gives a fuck. I feel
the same way on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
It's like I can't spend my time responding to that
negative comment because it takes away from time I could
be spending on the positive comments, right, and the people
who are asking real questions and really want real value
and want a real interaction. And it's hard, right, Like
you're saying the lizard brain, the gut reaction, you want
to like, oh fight.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
And unless you end internet argument with an anonymous person
on YouTube, then it's just not worth it. And the
other the other bit of advice I'd maybe give to
people is just try and be as authentic as you can,
but at the same time, don't feel like sometimes I've
thought to myself that maybe I'm not being one hundred

(48:24):
per me in some senses, but I am and I
always am, and I get great feedback on that, saying
like it's just like having a chat with you. But
I think the slight feeling of that sometimes that can
be like, oh was I being myself or not? Is
you're only ever going to give probably if you're a
normal human being, like ninety five percent or ninety percent
of yourself out to the internet.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Let's ship back thought into the Thailand thing. So what's
your your sort of dream day, you know, if it's
in Pouquet or Chang or whatever it is. Give give
me in the audience a walk through of like the
dream day in the life of Josh on the Move.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Yes, I mean, I'd love to say I have the
biggest routine in the world.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
I try and get up and do something productive in
the mornings. I think getting out, getting out sooner than
later always makes me feel feel good, no matter what
that is, whether it's a walk, going down to the CAF,
going and training, whatever.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
But a dream day, like a real, real dream day.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Let's let's let's get on, let's get up, the sunshining,
and we go out for a little bit of a walk,
go get some food.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Go train, come back, do a dream day.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
I'm I'm not working, maybe like and chill out, chill
out for a bit, maybe watch a bit YouTube. Then
go out and some sports are on, and and I
watched some sports. I have a couple of beers, a
chill out, watch the sunset. Job's good, Like, have some
good food, come back home. I'm a simple man, like, yeah,

(50:01):
don't need too much else for that for me, and
a lot of people separate that they think, like, you
got to be the health guy. You can't ever have
a dream call. You've got to be the party guy.
I don't party too much. But I do like a beer.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
So in my dream day, I'd be training in the
morning and I'll be drinking in the evening. I'm into football.
I'm into MMA so UFC.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
I'll like watching muy Thai out in Thailand. I'd watch anything.
I'll play any sports as well. Like I like Pickable
when I'm in when I'm in Vietnam. That man got
super into Pickable.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Man. I loved it.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
There's so many courts in the night. It's like, that's
one of the things I feel guilty about not doing
because I know I want to be doing it. So
I like to pass on questions from all guests for
new guests. So one of the guys I interviewed, Eddie
You had this great question for me where he said,
what's the one thing you're not doing right now that

(50:52):
you know, like in your gut, in your subconscious you
know you should be doing it, but you're not doing.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Shit. Man, that's pretty that's that's a pretty good question.
I mean maybe in reality, there's there's there's a lot
for most people if they've really.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Dug I try and should it write a little bit
of nuance? Should could be like all the things that
you know you should be doing in terms of right.
If I was to live this like monk type lifestyle
that was super healthy, righteous and everything, I should be
talking to my friends a little bit more and keep
in contact with a few friends from back home a
bit more than I do. Sometimes take that for granted,

(51:37):
and you know, we're long term friends that you can
kind of have that time away and things don't change.
But at the same time, I think I should put
more aside, more time aside to both friends and family.
I should speak to them more on the phone. On
the phone that resonates with me. Man, that hits home
for sure. So well, what do you do for I mean,
it hits everyone eventually, what do you do for loneliness?

(52:00):
For socializing, for making friends or dating when you're here?
So I have a missus and she she travels with
me most or some of the time. She's not with
me right now, But there's that also. As much as
sometimes I don't like talking with people, some days I'd
just be like today's a day where like, if no
one says lod to me, I'm cool with that.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I'm sound with it. Other days I'm quite social.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
And and you know I could spark up a conversation
with someone in in the lift at the coffee shop whatever.
And even though I do have plenty of free time,
I can work as much as I want to.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Then I could always keep myself busy. And I think
that for me, doesn't h I don't.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
I don't think I get the loneliest I have been lonely.
I can get it. Sometimes I can miss home, I
can miss like my close people, I can miss my partner.
But I've spent a lot of time on my own
since I was like relatively young. Yeah, I think the
weekends ironically are a time when I sometimes can.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Feel a little bit lonely or a little bit bored.
And I think that's because.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
I don't want to be drinking from nine am in
the day. And if I've done all my work throughout
the week or trained and I don't want to do
any more work. If you haven't got activities planned or
if your friends are busy, that's sometimes where I can
feel like that. But being totally transparent, I can feel
like that in the UK as well, So that's not
that's not that's not explusive.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I think I think that maybe.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
You know, I don't I try not to think like
right and bored or I'm lonely, go just get on
the beers and chat with like people. But I think
maybe that's that's a reason that a lot of people drink,
and sometimes that's as fun and as good as a
solution as anything else, just to go and have a
couple of beers chat.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
With someone while I was watching some sport or doing whatever.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
So I don't want to encourage anyone to say, if
you'll lonely, go have a beer, because I don't think
that's the answer. But if occasionally you're lonely and you
want to go have a bit, it.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Probably isn't the last thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
So I do think that people back home and in
the West are sometimes way too hard on themselves, so
like culturally too hard on themselves, or but then you
have like that having a couple of beers the end
of the world. I know that there's people, real people
struggle with real addictions, and I have friends who struggle
with real addictions. But I also think that it's like
it is not a crime to go have a couple
of beers on a Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Like that balance, right, is that it's that balance.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Is finding balance and equilibrium, and for me, a big
part of finding balance has been moving abroad, has been
living in different cultures and not keeping me out of
my comfort zone and on my toes and constantly learning.
So what's before we wrap it up? What's one last
piece of advice or a question or something that I

(54:46):
that I didn't ask you?

Speaker 2 (54:47):
What does the average day? What does the average day
look like? I know we touched on like dream day
and a bit of that, but maybe an average day.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
So what's the difference for average day? What's your workday
look like? Your your general like digit nomad, work, abroad life.
You wake up and you have a hit list on your.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
So I start the day by like ringing the bell
on my my my maid brings me a peanut cloud
on the rocks, and then I'll follow it up with
a foot massage at nine f a no, right.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
So that's why that's what a lot of people I
think maybe if they yeah, who knows, maybe some people
who live like that, but my my average days didn't
know Mad Southeast Asia. I would I would get up
and try and do something productive in some sense, like
early on, but that doesn't always happen.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Like, don't beat yourself up if you don't.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Like some days, I wake up and and because I
don't have to work till work done on my laptop
in the afternoon, and then I'll stop for dinner. If
I've got anything to do in the evening, I'll then
work a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
But I'll try. And I'm a bit more of a
sprinter rather than a jogger, So like some days I
may work a massive day and then another day I
may rein it in and only do like a couple
of hours work.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
And also it's worth noting that, because we are in
a tropical climate, if it pisses it down outside, then
plans go out the window and I might just do
a work day.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
So you so you're running a full online business and
a YouTube on top of it, which I think of
YouTube is even as a hobby, can feel like a
full time business. How many hours a week do you
spend working? What's your average work week.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
If a YouTube video is in there, which invariably it is,
maybe like I don't know, maybe forty hours or thirty
five hours. It's not ridiculous, I don't I don't want
to don't want to say it is like I could
get a lot more done and make a lot more
money if I worked, if I worked super hard all
the time, I try and work hard, but I try
and I try and rein it in as to work
in all of the time. But if I am, if

(56:47):
I've got a big project with YouTube and it's like
a big edit, I can easily spend probably twelve hours
or maybe even longer on the recording and the editing
and then my work. I've got it pretty organized now,
And if I have an extremely like by the big
client load at the time, then maybe it can take
me a little bit longer. But generally I would say
probably thirty five to forty hours a week I work,

(57:09):
or give or take maybe thirty hours on average, given
that some weeks I might have a really easy workload
and the video editing and stuff might not take us long.
I would also add to the nuance of that I
have been working this same job for some time, and
I have been working in this same field for some time.
What takes me now maybe ten hours might have previously

(57:32):
took me thirty hours just a couple of years. So
eventually you get more efficient, better systems.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
I just want to thank you so much for taking
your time out man, for taking an hour and a
half out of your day talking to me coming on
the cast Living a broad pid For everyone watching listening
out there, it's Josh on the Move. Ol of his
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so much for watching this week's episode of the Cost

(57:58):
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