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May 7, 2025 • 42 mins
We just got back from a trio swing through the midwest (Nebraska and Kansas) opening for the Association and what a blast we had. Enjoy our journey through the weekend with you as we touch on this and that. Enjoy, and thanks for being there!!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
I saw I'm sitting in the rim.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
We're the Colcles.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
I'm Paul, I'm Bob, and I'm Susan Cowcill.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
And welcome, Welcome, one and all to.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
The Calcil Podcast, where we have fun, fun, fun, even
when we're being serious every.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Single week with our music stories and weekly special guests
from all walks of life.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
All of us can use a break sometimes take a freezer.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Right right right.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Well, if that's true for you, then you have a
rived at the right place at the right time.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
So we want you to sit back, reading back and escape.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
With us and to our world of harmony, laughter and
tom foolery.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
So let's get to it. Here's today's episode of the Castle.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, welcome, we are going you guys.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hello everybody. It is what day? Is it? Well, it's
when day, of course, but.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
No, yeah, it's Wednesday was right on, right, on right.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Tuesday was a great day. Let's talk a little bit
about Tuesday. You know, Tuesday was a great day.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I barbecued some hamburgers and I made some French fries
in the air dryer, no air dryer, the air fryer,
and yeah, and had a great dinner. It's just beautiful
here in sane, Oregon. And you know what, while I
have the conscient I just want to let everybody know.
And I'm going to do this because you all been
going like was So I had my third p s

(01:32):
A test and it is yet again zero. So I
have an appointment tomorrow, but I know this is a
done deal. And so I've had three zeros in the
last six months. So I'm considering myself cancer free.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Zero. If you can be mathematically zero, that's zero. I
always it is. I mean one point zero zero two, four, five, six,
the lowest.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
That's the lowest. That's why they had to put less
than zero point zero one five because their machines can't
go lower than that, right, because I want to know
what the one five was?

Speaker 1 (02:13):
What is that lingering number? Well, that's just the lowest.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Anything less than that is, you know, news undetectable.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Yeah, because we've been on two summers or one summer,
but this is going to be paul second or third summer.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
We call them.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
He calls them his big got the wrong guy summer.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
So now that was that was this last summer.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
That was the last summer Paul would always except the
wrong guy. Paul your PSA is your PSA is third
even in the early days, Paul, your PSA is like
three hundred and seventy or thirty seven, which is like
you have cancer. You don't need to look anymore. He's going,
they got the wrong guy.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
I think I think you're mistaken. Friend.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
He never got a symptom. He never got a symptom,
and I'm going, wait a minute, now, mathematically he's really
thirty seven because everyone knows what that means. And he
says bouncing, Oh my god. Even when they told him
he's the right guy, he told everybody else, no, no,
I'm the wrong guy, and he do it. Ever since

(03:21):
I'm not a good host, I think it's a good
lesson man.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
So man, but it's great man.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
It opens my brain up and everything for this summer
and just you know, I don't have to worry about
all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
So it's going to be great.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
There's gonna be one joyous little else.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Your brain, and Paul's brain does believe they got the
wrong guy. You can tell that his brain believes it
because you look at it and you go, how can
you believe that?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Well, because his brain believes brain.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
His brain believes it. So much that if he was
the right guy, his brain convinced them that he wasn't.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah, there you go, and his brain even when they
actually physically re moved the process itself, he came out.
It's very said, you're the wrong guy, don't worry about it.
And then did that. Paul's bragging about, you know, certain
things he can do easier now to me now and
I'm still the old guy. That kind of like, oh,

(04:15):
that sounds pretty good, Bob, still that sounds pretty good.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Well when me and Bob go to the bathroom. Now,
I go up to Bob and I go, oh, could
I go before you? Because like I can, I'll be
in and out really quick.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
That's worth that's worth a pros stect to me, right there,
take the thing out, just like a lective surgery. Of course,
the search will never cover it. Why do you want?
Because I want to feel like a freaking horse again.
That's why, sir. Well, we're not gonna okay this okay,
it's not gonna happen trickle along in life, and that's
how luck's going to be for you, but not for
my brother Paul. And oh waits hilarious. Hey, so just

(04:54):
go back to the Midwest.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yes, that was super funny, guys.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
It was. It was a great fun run. It was.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
It was a mid questions again. And we get into Carneia,
Nebraska and I'll tell you what now, I never lived
in Carnia, Nebraska, and Paul and Susan did. I'll say this,
but once we landed and started driving around, the file
cabinet in Susan's brain from Carneia, Nebraska and we're talking,
she's probably whatever, I don't know. Fourteenth, late seventeen. This

(05:25):
file cabinet opens up and this girl remembers everything about
when she was here as a kid with Paul in Carnia, Nebraska.
It was so amazing to listen to her and everybody
with Carney who are still there, and many were are
confirming everything this girl is saying.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
I'm going yes.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yesterday, I felt you, guys. I felt like like I
watched these shows about past life people, people who have
had other lives, and they tell these stories. You know,
they have vague memories of these lives that they had,
and then they go and verify them like this is
how they verified that these were really people who live
past life. That's how I felt when those people like
and Bob was correct. This stuff was cruly like somebody

(06:05):
cranked a little guy in my head and everything started
going around and they were just coming.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Out thing after thing, incredible.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
It was incredible. Names of stories that we shopped at will.
The darn owners of the place were at the show.
I didn't dream any of it.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
It was I and I was just getting I mean
it was although the principal people weren't there. Everybody we
were working with, even like the stage tech, Oh yeah,
I knew stand.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Everybody knew Stan Miller, yep.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Everybody you know it had some kind of story connected
to Sam and it was just incredible.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
It did follow us right into our meet and Creek
because all on the drive in from the airport, I'm
sitting there and all I hear from the wooden Nickel,
The wooden nickel, The wooden Nickle sounds like a very
quaint place, and wonder that was big deal memory in
her head. Believe you guys, honestly, God, At our meet
and greet that night, these two people come up there,
we all the wooden Nickel.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
I'm going man.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
By that time, the place is famous in my head
because Susan hasn't shut up about it that in front
of us are the owners of the Wooden Nickel. It
was yes time and still there a lot of it.
It was amazing.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
It was amazing, and it was interesting that, you know,
when the Wooden Nickel people came up, you know, and
they said, yeah, we owned the Wooden Nickel, I immediately
just kind of zoomed my head and just pictured them
in their forties and their thirties running the Wooden Nickel.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Hippies, you know, they were they.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Were living the hippie dream in Carnie, which was, you know,
not a very hippie place, you know.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
So yeah, it was great. Man.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
It was incredible just to run into people that knew
our old stomps. You know, the place where me and
Susan we couldn't remember the name of it. It was
called Kings and it was a place you would go
in and you'd sit in a booth and you would
order everything from the microphone on the table. Man, and
we could hardly ever get it out because we'd start laughing.
And I don't know why, but man, we were just

(08:07):
and now.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
We're sitting in a restaurant going with.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
So it was a joy. And then to get to Hutchinson.
We had a great ride. Susan drove. The Association were
driving and they ran into a Turkey vulture that crushed
their windshield, their front windshield crushed their windshield glass went
into Paul Hogan's eyes, so he can't seeking I'm joking, okay,

(08:34):
but there was a little bit of glass Holland Hogan.
You know, when he registers in the hotels, he puts
down Paul Hogan. And his name isn't really Paul Holland either.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, at our podcast, so he can explain himself.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well, let's do it then, because he okay, and we'll
get the name deal straight. But and and the thing
is is, if I'm wrong with what I'm saying, it's
just because I've got things a little switched around.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
But basically, when he tells the story, you're going what,
you go what, and then you go what what?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
So it's pretty interesting his name and all of that.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
That's next week on the Coast of podcast.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
And also we'll find out what happened to the what
did they hit a turkey Turkey culture Turkey vulture Turkey vulture.
It didn't splatter into their I.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Didn't see any blood, I saw no blood.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
This thing made a DNT. It looked like as if
a meteor lands in the earth and then it leaves
a divot. There's a divot in these guys's window. And
it must have been a thick window in order, and
and it pushed in and then the glass did explode.
Paulie is right. But Paul, Paul and Pogan can see
and uh, it did not cut him. It just freaked out.

(10:01):
But he was freaked out. And I said, dude, you
know he had that glass coming after and he said,
it's not bad. He goes, we killed the creature.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
It was horrible.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, yeah, And they called the heavy Yeah, they called
the insurance company. And we won't say which one because
we don't want to get into that, but the insurance
company said, yeah, just take it to the airport, drop
it off where you were originally going to drop it off.
And this was some scattered shattered glass. I mean, you know,
it was safety glass. I e not going to just
bust open, but there was some shatters that did get inside.

(10:32):
To the guys. I asked them, Bruce the drummer who
was driving, or yeah, Paul, anyway, I asked them all
I said, so I was Dell and Jules, and they said, well,
they were in their own car, and so they and
they are in that car and they were in a
black suv and they zoomed by these guys.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
On the side of the road.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
And amazing that the two duels in Dell, you know,
are driving and they had to wherewith all this, that
this is their team, their car and they needed to
turn around and lend help.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
They were on some kind of like like they did.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
They did, they turned around and it's.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
So different than our family. One time I passed our
brother Bill on the freeway in a very bad way,
and he was the middle lane and he had stopped
all try because he was acting up. He was outside
his car and I looked at him. I saw him
outside that car and it was a four or five
north and I drove right by him. Whoa no I

(11:33):
had had. But this is the end of a crazy,
crazy visit from this man.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
That's understandable.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
And what wow, Oh so so he's built. They showed
up with Dell when Dell was he about eighty years
old about it.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
It was that trip we all had him on. That
trip got you.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Dell is as sick as can be. Okay, and he
leaves cinevent at my house and I'm playing with Peter
bunched it yesterday's in Westwood with my duo. Okay, Now,
I don't know Bill's been at the house and left
his sick kid there, and he's on his way to me,
all right, but he is and he and and honestly god,
So I look up, me and Peter in the middle

(12:13):
of a set, and I look up and I see
Bill sitting in the audience. You guys listening, I'm watching.
I haven't seen this guy in twenty years maybe, I
mean many, many, many, many many years. And this is
how he's arrived, Okay, and he's I looked at him,
and he is out of it, you guys, you know
what I mean. Bill's going to act up. And so

(12:34):
I leaned over to Peter, I said Peter, and I
did say this. I'll never forget, I said Peter. My
circus just arrived in town. Okay. And while I'm saying
that to Peter, I see Bill get up. And the
first thing he's going to do is fix my sound system.
Oh it's off. Okay, the ECUs of the mixes up.

(12:57):
Everything's off about the sound system and he's gonna have
to sit there and do this the way he does,
and you know he's out of it. He's he's micro
listening and he's off all right. So so we tolerate
that whole night. And he's doing that and then he says, okay, man,
see you at the house. You know, okay, he's going
to my house. I guess I don't know the dell's

(13:20):
there sick.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
So Mary hasn't called you yet to say you're.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
No one's called. There's no there's no calling back then,
before phones, before that kind of thing. Get home and
this is it. I'm going home and he has totally
freaked me out. Anyway, and I and I've got traffic
going home on the four or five that stopped, and
I get up into the center lane. Stop and I
get to the top of the center lane and he's

(13:45):
outside of his car talking to somebody and I'm going
and I just slowly kept driving. I did not pull
over and say everything okay here.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Because it's broke.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
I had to get home. I said, I got a
warn Mary. I gotta get home, okay. And so I
get home and I see the kid on the couch
and I go, who's that that's Dell. Now Dell to me,
Dell was a two year old at one point in
my life. He's eleven or twelve, not that the kid
on the couch with his nutty dads. Anyway, why did

(14:18):
I have that story? And oh why I drove by
and didn't stop?

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Now?

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Thank god? You know they made the UWI.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Oh yeah, we're talking about the association stopping for each other.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
They came back and helped their brothers in distress, as
people should do. They just reminded me of the time
I did.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Right. Yeah, awesome, that was a good story.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Hey, can I do one more? I love my Bill.
But at that same trip, we went down to Mexico
to see Dad with Dell, and I drove him because
he wanted me to. And it was a long, long
haul and I won't give you the whole thing, but
at the end of it, because Billy evidently has a
proclivity to getting out of his car at inappropriate times

(15:02):
and making himself known like cars are going to be
in and driven. So we are at the border, heading
back at the border, leaving Mexico. Bill, I have his child,
I have him and me we look like a forty
eight hours in act totally, you know, I mean, like
some kidnap. I don't know, I just feel wrong and

(15:23):
we have to wait. Yeah, and we have to wait.
So Bill doesn't want to wait in the car because
we're on line, you know, going closer closer, So he
gets out and he sits on the foot of the car,
right in the center of and we light up a
cigarette and just is there baby waving to the guys

(15:44):
to pull us over.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
When we get up to him right right doing and
leaning Susan, did they lean and go are you okay?
Miss right?

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Ironically? Ironically, I think they watched him the whole time.
And by the time I got up because I was
just like, I must have looked like a sister whose
brother was just sitting on a hood at the border,
and like, I think they were really feeling me because
I got up there and they're like, you know, what
are you doing here? I said, I took my brother

(16:17):
and his son down to see my father and Rose
and Rita where Campbell Lopez just passed it. We have
a house there, camp Campbell Lopez fifty five. And he goes, okay,
he goes, you've got anything in here? You shouldn't have
to bring home. I went just him and he goes,
you go ahead, girl, you have a nice He just

(16:37):
looked at me, like you poor little.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Oh, that is a good one.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
We do want, we do want to say that it
was so fun opening up for the Association and doing
a couple of weekend gigs with the Association. We loved
those guys and we had a blast. We think our
little trio show with just two guitars and our voices
is a good opening act for anybody out there who's
looking for booking, an opening act that will warm up

(17:07):
your audience, put them in a good mood, and hand
them over to you as professional people would, ready for
your show. And so just please please send your invitation
to info at Council dot com to hire us.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yes, yes, but here's the thing. We we we are
developing a really fun show.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
What you got Well, I don't want to digress because
we can talk a little bit more about that.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
And that goes to the reason I wanted to reach
out to a billion show pro right right, right, right?
So I have it written down here. Did I write
enough to make myself remember? I would have thought that.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
I would have never thought, Yeah, I would have never
thought that in my lifetime that I would have ever
been able to say that. Man, the Association, there are
dear friends, and we've toured with the Association for ten
years on and off, you know that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
I hear that.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
I mean, regardless of everything the association with the Association,
you know, and we didn't get to meet any people
to and the happy to get it towards let us
meet a whole bunch of these rock and rollers that
we played with. And you know, we're in the same
time when we were fans of and thought, wow, we'll

(18:35):
be able to meet them, but it never did happen.
And now we've done it all. Now it has happened,
and we're in our eleventh year, if not twelve.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
We got to keep track of that, yeah, and so and.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
It's just been great, you know, because a lot of
the guys that started with us or aren't with us
any longer, you know, Chuck Negron, Mark Lindsay, you know,
but we've got a chance to to be friends with
those guys and you know, tour with them. I mean,
come on, man, think about it, us touring with all

(19:09):
these dogs.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
You know, all speaking speaking for the two guys him
and me who had our apartment in New York in
nineteen sixty eight when Never My Love was a hit,
and we were having hits too then, but we were
always more impressed with everybody else's hits, and they all
have had better hits than our hits. So Never My

(19:33):
Love was like, oh my god, listen to that song, yeah, yeah, vocals,
and it just puts us right in that New York
apartment when we got out of the d R three
one or this is when we got away from the
nine of us and we got our own downstairs or somewhere.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
You were there that we were our first apartment. Was
that the third flour or fourth that first apartment, Mom, Dad,
John and Barry and I got left.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Oh, I think you were like on the seventh floor,
honestly high you were up high. Oh nice you were,
and uh and yeah, and we were Dr three and
Dr three had right out our door was the vending
machine that pushed out fresh tropic hana art ins juice
then and then there was a door right out to

(20:24):
like fifty seventh or whatever the road there with Gilly's
and roseland.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
And then right Breakfast place to the left, right on.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
The corner tenth.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, but we're down now, you're down towards roseland Dan
City with this door street that is right outside Dr Three.
We could walk out that which I did many many
many nights, and right out that door and nobody knew
what the hell.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Was going on. It was incredible, incredible.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
I mean I was seventeen, man, it was like rocking
sixteen seventeen.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
I couldn't get my life. So I thought, hell, I'm
going out.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
You got me going on association stuff because when we
used to go to New York trying to make it,
they had a long comes marry out and we heard
that all the time going to New York, and that
lead vocal always impresses you know, it's wordy, man, and
we could never figure it out. And then but if
somebody could have told us, oh, don't worry. In sixty

(21:16):
five years, you're gonna be pressed with that guy and
then explain it all to you and we'll go what
are you talking about? Right?

Speaker 3 (21:25):
And that to excite it back to him. Eat. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
My favorite response to I wish we would have known
you back then was Chuck Nagron because you get to
thinking like we're meeting all of our favorite people. Later
in life, when everybody's nice and calm down and gotten
past so much, it's like and I'm feeling like so
kind of like warm about that, and I look at
Check and gosh, Chuck, I wish, I wish I could

(21:53):
have got to know you back then in the day.
And he looked over him and said, you wouldn't have
liked me. Okay, fair enough, fair enough, you wouldn't like me.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
That's funny. That's funny.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
You know, it's hard to it's hard to imagine that,
but not really, you know, because I mean Billy was
lovable at the end, you know, I mean he was, well, yeah,
it does happen. I think as you get older and
things start coming your way and you start dodging arrows
and a couple can't, you know, clip you in your shoulder,

(22:30):
you know, you don't.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Don't get head on.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
I think that's I think people get mellower after that
and go most of them it's not.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
All about me, okay.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Most of the wild ones, though, are are less less
edged out, less crabby. I know a couple of our
dear friends. Mister who's just the sweetest little old man.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Now, yeah, you know what.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Is much much less come over there, and I mean,
you can get riled up, but he's.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Just I'm only talking. I'm not talking about normal people.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
We're talking about our brother Bill and those kind of people.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Well yeah, but then I went over.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Three brothers who are gone those types.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Does not fall in that cato.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, yeah, that's great. All right. So we got and hey,
by the way, the Trio show, we're liking it. People,
Uh I want to get in there, and we're finding that. Look,
we have to be realist people. In terms of full
band cowshills. The Knights are shrinking, the genre is shrinking.
The trivia bands are getting more and more of the

(23:41):
Knights that normally candidly bands like ours would get. Okay,
so we're fighting that and there's just a big equation
that equals well what else could you do? You know?
I mean Neil Young always went out as Neil Young
when you need to keep going out because vessels and
nests didn't want to. So you know, there's that kind
of thing, and.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
So are you're going to continue with is what it
turns into.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
Yeah, we have our trio, our trio act. We can
play in smaller places, smaller venues.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
And we did a twelve hundred.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
We did a twelve hundred this past weekend in Hudginson
and I think he had eight hundred plus people there.
And then we played in Carnee it was seven hundred
and sixty and they did incredible two shows, incredible houses.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, lots of people, lots of people.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
So they're still willing to come out if you can
give them, give them a show.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
We'll be in.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
We're going to be in venues that are small that
it would be just us. But we are also kind
of the perfect opening act for Gary Puckett or like
the Association that we just had this weekend, because they
get the big sound. We'll get that up to them
and we have a lot of fun. This that's something
different about the trio show. We're responding to and even
some people in the audience are kind of responding to.

(24:57):
And they tell us at Meet and Greece believe they'll
opinion it.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
They will. I mean, look, we've been playing all of
these songs for fifty something years in the park Indian Lake,
all of them full band, you know, and we're doing
these trios and we're finding that like even you know,
we're playing these songs like they were delivered to us.
When you get a demo of a song, it doesn't
come generally all produced, all the bells and whistles. It's

(25:24):
somebody on an acoustics singing a song, and you are
in charge of creating something more out of it. That's
what an artist does. That's really what makes it kind
of unique and special. And everybody correct, yeah, yeah, I
mean this is this is a fun way, but it
gives us a bit of a challenge to be on
our best vocally because it's all you're hearing, and also

(25:47):
to show you what we heard, you know, and then
it turned into that and you can go, whoa, that's
a trip. It's like seeing them before and after an unrenovent.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Plus a lot of people have seen us with our
band and live and you know, many times over actually,
if not just on YouTube and all that live and so,
and that's what they've seen.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
They haven't seen much of just the three of us
walking on out and go hey, everybody, what's going on.
It was nineteen sixty seven, it was the summer of love,
you know, and on we go.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
So I think that that might be pretty fun for
people to go, oh wow, I thought it was going
to be a whole band.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
What are they going to do?

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Oh no, look look everybody likes a train wreck. I know.
If I was going, well, I know what happened.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Hold on.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
We were on the flower Power tour and some really
phenomenal band that we were all excited about couldn't come,
but only two guys could. Was it the Kinks of
the Zombies.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
No, it was it was the Yardbirds. Ye, Yardbirds, thank you,
thank you?

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Okay, yeah, and then the two guys, the two main
guys who could come, had to do something. So what
they did was an acoustic version of their hits and
it was an exquisite evening. I've stayed I was is
going to go.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Check out here, I stand corrected. It was Terry Sylvester.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Oh, and he and a couple of his guys didn't come,
and it was turned into just an acoustic guitar with
him and the other guy that came.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, people loved it.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Different night, Different something.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
Else with us guys the Trio show. And we already
talked about this because it's new to us too, but
we've really experienced it. So it gives us room to
flex where with a band it's harder because we're just
spread out over five states. But with the three of us,
now we can get into a song from Global, we
can get into us some Good Years, or a Lenda

(27:37):
Han or this or that, another kind of song, something
from the Cocaine Down because with the three of us,
it's just easier to put that up on stage quickly
without having to stage an eight person attended rehearsal.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
I apply everybody to I mean, if next so in Tumble,
when you go, hey, let's do Poor Baby, I can
tell everybody out there and it comes to Tumble and
we'll tell him there that night. We haven't done poor
Baby in a decade. I mean, it could even be longer.
I don't really know. But we'll do it and it'll
be great because because any other time we do Poor Baby,

(28:12):
we hadn't done it for a long time anyway, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
And that's another thing.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
It's kind of anything goes.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
I mean, you know this, it's crazy how we're able
to remember things like that.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Rocket science, you know, and and the nature of it
is so primal really in tribal so when when music
starts and people god, there was clapping, there was singing
that wasn't that doesn't go.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
On in a band set, you know, or that we
don't hear well.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
But when we said let's do this, man, I felt
like I was at Hohot Nanny, you know.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Yeah, I have to say when we were in the
middle of the shows this weekend, at moments even I
could hear the clarity of harmony, the clarity of our parts,
the clarity of something that's normally buried in the overall
during a normal Totally it was different from me too,
and I enjoyed that because I mean, we sing on key,

(29:04):
we make an effort to sing on key. That happened
when YouTube arrived and we knew we were going up
like it or not every night.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Now what.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
No, I was just when we were talking about YouTube
and the first experience with that, I'm going to tell
you guys, I was watching those things just like a
coach watches film, and I realized, Man, I was hardly
ever at my mic at any one time, going up
and down between the keyboards and the patches, and I was.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Never on that mic.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
And when I was, I don't think I was singing
very well. I could hear it all very clearly, and
that's when I said, you guys, man, I got to
get out of where I am and I got to
get up from there with you guys, and let's do
some singing.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
I used to in the early early days of YouTube.
I used to think I can, and I would say
this to people, don't put that on YouTube, Hey, don't
put that in your line. Think everyone listening to you
and nothing was going up. When you're gonna learn that
everything is going up out of your control. And I
believe that made all of us better performers, especially us

(30:10):
in terms of singing. You can't because you'll you'll hear
a YouTube performance because everything goes up. And it is
good to listen once in a while because you think
you're hitting maybe your high note and hair perfectly, but
maybe you're just a little flat. You'll hear that in
you in your YouTube performance, and you can fix that
next time you go okay. I now know at that

(30:30):
point the sing of hearing to think sharp, which is
my last hair. I gotta think sharp and keep it
up fit. But it's going Paul's out yourself. I don't
know what you came to the conclusion of. And then Jesus,
I suck so and then some somehow adjusted easy being
a part time good at too many things, are getting

(30:52):
good at one thing, which is singing.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Well, well, well well isolated.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
It was great, that's great stuff. Great.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, So you're going up and I want to tell everybody.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
If Philly's listening, you know, people go, wow, you guys,
you've got so much of this and you've got so
much of that. Man, it is insane to hear those things.
It's hard for any one of us three to believe
any of it.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
But you know, but you know, they go wow, I mean,
how do you do it?

Speaker 2 (31:19):
It's fucking first show ever, and all this kind of stuff.
It's because we're constantly auditioning. I don't care how many
shows we're going to do, fifty eight shows this summer.
We're going to be auditioning for fifty eight shows because.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
That's what we do.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
We just have to be the very best we can
and clicking on all cylinders all the time, because if
one mistake can take years to come up to somebody,
one person going, man, these guys should not be singing
because the man, you know, and so we don't want
to hear that. We don't want that, we don't want
to hear that we're not changing keys because of that,

(31:53):
and you know, there's a lot of reasons for us
to like seem like, wow, man, we're so excited, because man,
we're just trying to make sure it all happens.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Paul's right about the audition. You're fighting for the audition, everybody.
You're fighting for it, and then you got to pass it.
That's true, but you're not looking for the yes. You're
looking at the what you need to pass an audition
to get a yes, and to do that and get
in front of somebody, and that we beg for three years,
four years maybe to get on the Happy Together tour,

(32:22):
you know, knowing that we were trying to get to
an audition, knowing that the first time we got on
and it came finally that this is big time audition
right here, right there. And now they're not always so obvious,
but that as here was. It was everything as an audition,
everything as an audition.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Every night, every night. You want to be invited back.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
That's great.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
So so back in the trio show, I know what
Info Ivan, Uh, there's a guy Ivan and Info. He
almost wasn't going to make it, and he and he
did make it, and we just wanted give him a
shout out. He had some kind of medical issue was
going to preclude him being at the show in Kansas,
I think it was, and he actually.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Said that when he came through, I wasn't going to
be here, but I did. Okay, good, Yeah, I remember.
I remember him.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
And all the people that stopped by to say hi
and sign some stuff and all that. It was a
great night of that too, again due to the the
reminiscing of our time there with all the people that
came along us, because we talked about it in the show,
and then when we got to the meet and greet,
the people came with with facts and you know, and

(33:36):
questions about our time there in Carney.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
So it really didn't make it.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
It wasn't like, yeah, well we we lived in Carney
and then you know, oh okay, and then nobody even
mentions it.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
You know, what's interesting, nobody remembers that's when we lived there.
Nobody knew we were there, and we were freshly off
of being us. Yes, off of it, Yes, I didn't
know who.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah. You know it's funny that you say freshly off
of because man, as soon as I had to go
into the military. There was nothing fresh at all, you know,
and for and over time, a month or so in
boot camp and two months in boot camp, you have
certainly forgot of whatever it is you.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Were doing prior to what it is you were doing now.
You know, your brain could not afford And.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
I've bet the military even emphasized that anymore because the
exact time you're doing that. Of course, I'm it all
fell apart, the family fell apart, the band fell apart.
I got a two to four year old. I need
a what all you got the now job? So I
get this. So all I'm doing is moving that hospital
from one end all the way up to the other.

(34:47):
And my career is only two years behind me. You
know how recent that is, right, It feels like it's
two years. It feels like it's twenty years behind me.
So I spent a year. I spent all year of
what are you doing here? I got a year of
That's like, yeah, that was quite the collapse of people.

(35:08):
And when I think of it now, I go, Jesus.
Let's see, in nineteen seventy one, here was number one,
jez just the year before last that well, yeah, what
do you what happened to you.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know my version of that. I
ended up in the eighth grade and Narragansett, Rhode Island.
I'm like, what am I doing here? I haven't been
a school second grade? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah? Well, you know, in boot camp, we all had
our name on the back of our shirts, which again
I had forgotten about. Okay, because now all of a sudden,
we're all marching every day, and you're marching by other companies,
you know, and all of a sudden, you know, you know, my,
my company, my They're going, hey, did you hear that?

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Paul? And I go, what what?

Speaker 2 (35:51):
I'm just trying to march here, and so everybody's dogging
me everywhere I went all.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
You know, I could have been in the Anchor magazine,
but in boot camp you're nothing and you never see anything.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
But they could have done this whole.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Spread on me by you know who knows, because it
was so close to having been there. And that's why
I started boxing, because everybody was dogging me in boot
camp and it was like, all right, well, m.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Come on, let's go. I'll see you Friday night, and
let's set it up. Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
But yeah, I'm and I'm dealing with people that it's
so recent. Honestly, God to them, it's still current. I mean,
your hair was a hit, but you know, it was
hitting May of sixty and I don't it's still hitting
their head. You know, we're not there's no such thing
as an old s group, no.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Grade, not at all.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
It's like that was a recent hit, you know, and like,
oh yeah, the drive and the truck for that's all
they wanted to It was the funny. It was pretty funny, man,
it's a good It was a wild time. It was
funny funnycause we're coming with this show. We're talking about
we're coming to Tomball.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
We're coming your way, Matt, We're coming your way.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Crossing Main Street, crossing. If the rumor got out that
the Magician is opening up the night that it is
not true anymore. We had it for a while but
came a rumor and uh, it's just going to be us,
and uh, we have honed our show now, we're all
we enjoy it. But we've done it at Tomball twice.

(37:27):
Our trio show. They know about this. They're actually kind
of cavern of Trio show. That Main Street crossing when
we first started doing that kind of thing where it's
more intimate, it's a smaller room, you can talk to stories.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Is that the first one we did of these kind
of things?

Speaker 4 (37:47):
I think I think it might be.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, so Matt took a chance on us.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
I think it.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
Was a Christmas show.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
They called it right right.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Right, right right.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
We were coming off Branson. We were coming off Branson
and actually had some Christmas songs we did, we did,
but I think we did a tom Ball Christmas one
before Branson. But we didn't have many Christmas songs and
we were enjoying having to learn them.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Then Brandson forced us to learn a bunch of them.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
That was a that was I want to.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Talk maybe next December. Well, well we live Branson every year.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Oh yeah, everyone about the gig and Brandson. You know,
it's funny. I know those theaters are all still there.
I know the people are are still bustling along at
whatever level they're at.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Now I wish we were there with them.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Why yeah, at least we're not.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
At least we're not dealing with this in that we
You look in the paper and you see that you know.
Oh wow, look at there's there's the show, not at
Andy's house, but somewhere in Branson.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
We did Everybody's coming down.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Everybody's coming down, but we're not there, you know, and
we are for something we don't even know.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
And I think we were either no good or we
wanted too much money.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
We got some money. We're continuing the continuing the trio
tour through the summer and bringing it also to Arlington, Texas.
We'll tell you more about that next because that's going
to be the next.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Tour Arling before Happy Together.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Huh No, No, Arlington is September.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Okay, cool, So this is our last show before.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
Tom Ball and then the summer and then uh Friday
Harbor and then uh Atlantic City on the third. We'll
tell you more about that as we get through on
the boardwalk there doing that show, and then September fifteenth
and Arlington and we're sprinkled out till the end of May.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Week.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Oh guys, we've got to make a together this weekend.
We got to make a video shout out to Abbey
Road on the River for twenty twenty six. Remember, we'll
remember to do that when we're together.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Okay, Okay, we can sing, we can sing a song.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
I'll be back. And you know, people saying, hey, you're
doing Ivy back real good, So we'll give them a.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Little that fun.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, yeah, we give him.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
A shout out about how excited. That's a trick with us,
and I know there's three brains, but we really are
just one. Good one is to remember to do it,
and so we all want to try and remember to
do that.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Rember such a big part of life because.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
I had I had three albums. You guys are supposed
to sign for Brad from Omnivore that I have to
bring again to tom Ball that I forgot to have.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
You sign, and I was supposed to get a CD
signed for whole sample that I forgot to get business.
Come on, people, come on, get it together.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
We got to get together, all right. We gotta let
you all go. Everyone go. We'll see you in Tomball
at Main Street Crossing. Come on down to the show.
You'll love it that you did. Thank you everybody everywhere
tonight and forever. Please we'll have a guest next week.
We'll can look up the King family. People be ready,

(41:23):
do it okay, everybody.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
We hope you enjoyed visiting with us today.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
We definitely had a blast visiting with you, don't forget.
Each episode of the Cowles podcast is available to download
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Speaker 3 (41:38):
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Speaker 2 (41:42):
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Speaker 1 (41:47):
And of course we will see you in concert and
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Speaker 2 (41:52):
In touch by tuning in each week for another episode
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Speaker 1 (41:59):
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