184: The Cowsills Chat with Danny Kurtzman

Hello everybody we are off of our bus and in a hotel room for today's episode.  The bus had another issue that had to be resolved immediately. Our guest today is Danny Kurtzman please Google him get ready for the episode you will be amazed at his story.  We're back on schedule in Nashville hope everyone's doing great out there having a great summer!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
I saw him sitting in the room.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
We're the Cantles.

Speaker 4 (00:09):
I'm Paul, I'm Bob, and I'm Susan Cowcill and welcome, welcome,
one and all to the.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Calcil Podcast, where we have fun, fun, fun, even when
we're being serious every single week with our music stories
and weekly special guests from all walks of life.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
All of us can use a break sometimes take a breezer.

Speaker 5 (00:30):
Right right right, Well, if that's proof for you, then
you have a ride at the right place, at the
right time.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
So we want you to sit back, reading back and escape.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
With us and to our world of harmony, laughter and
tom foolery.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
So let's get to it. Here's today's episode of the
Castle Podcast. So, yeah, hey everybody, Hello everyone, I'm here.
As you can see, we're in a hotel room. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:00):
Out on the bus.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Not on the bus.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
The bus was taken away for four hours to fix
the generator.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
What you gotta do, and so check it out.

Speaker 6 (01:07):
So we're in the bus and it's a day off
and we have the comfort and the mentality of settling
into that when all of a sudden, and this is
a new bus, people, this is the bus to replace
the old bus.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yes, which is wonderful, and everybody.

Speaker 6 (01:22):
Had I mean, he's okay, but we've got a generator problem. Hello,
So I think we got like, I don't know, ten minute,
fifteen minute notice, everyone off the bus, everyone out of here.
We're going to take it for four hours. You're without it.
You're without your food, your clothing, your comfort, your home.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
And you took it away from us a little bit,
I mean very little bit about it. Last night. I
think are wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I never heard it.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
We love Terry.

Speaker 7 (01:46):
You were asleep and said, hey, by the way, Lerloler
tomorrow and it's like, h Terry, you.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Didn't even know about it. He didn't, I mean Ron,
he knows all.

Speaker 6 (01:59):
And by the way, we're in Nashville.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yes, yes, beautiful Nashville.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Play the Ryman tomorrow night.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
We're so excited.

Speaker 6 (02:07):
We've been driving for two days through trees. Basically it
seems trees. It's trees.

Speaker 7 (02:13):
And we love the rhyme and y'all because we did
the Johnny Cash Show there, so we have our own
feels about it that no video has.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Finally always just walk around going I remeunderstand you and
have this is going on? Yeah, being childed.

Speaker 6 (02:30):
Well by the shock of today's episode, People, is that
we do have a guest.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I guess we can.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
Danny Kurtzman, dear friend of mine family has a brand
new movie out called Good Bad Things.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Man.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
You got to see this movie. I saw it, and
you know, I forgot it was Danny.

Speaker 6 (02:49):
It's more than you think and it's Kurtzman, k U
R t Z and an if you want to just
you know, look them up. You listening to.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Us to get out your hankies. Pretty thankful man, if
all of the women are going to.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
Be well yeah, yeah, So he's coming up in our
next half hour and it's going to be a fun
visit with him, for sure. For that, it's quite a character.

Speaker 6 (03:11):
We have just finished six shows in a row, and
the funny thing about that, People, is that at about
show three, you know it's like the third kid, well
that was a jump too, was easy, but the third
show is like, that's kind of four fit by the
sixth show, you give me four more, right?

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah. Twelve even said to us something like, okay, so
are you you know, do you feel it's the sixth show?
And I think Paul and I went wait, wait where
are we?

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, like it didn't.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Feel like, like emotionally thought it frankly when I heard
about it.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
Yeah, and the only reason we were excited about anything
is that if we were to get a day off,
you know, we're more than happy to play, play, play
and do shows, clear boy when we hear that day off,
even after six.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
But yeah, so Ron comes up to me and he goes, hey,
so how did.

Speaker 6 (03:58):
It feel like what?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
And he goes, well, you know, six shows in a row?
Did we just do six? I don't know which.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
I think seems we're doing okay out here, guys, because
how Old as Dirt has so many.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Love to say. But Jim Yester started it, so let's good.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, yeah, right, give yeah, I swear.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
I did this.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
But someone asked me, how do you feel like?

Speaker 6 (04:18):
There's six of them? And I did the same thing.
Did we do six?

Speaker 7 (04:22):
And we were at the Citizens Goodsnibal, which we had
every one of our band of you know, our tribe
here to say, okay, how do you feel after six?

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Because we might get a very degree right. Answers to me, well, well,
constant state of denial.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
Anyway, you can share this and we're lyn Auditorium and
Henry there softening to me and Paul and Henry books.
This led Zeppelin get the letout band who worked maybe
two hundred nights a year, are on stage for three hours,
all musicians for three hours. You know, they happy together.
There were splitting up amongst this because we're old, but
think about three hours a night, every night, for two

(04:58):
hundred shows, and you go, it's incredible. I mean we
did it as kids. We can't kept going. But this
is tribute stuff.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
This isn't even EA ban itself.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
You know, and and and so yeah, they they've got
to do a three hour show because they can't go
in there and do like one album of the band
that they're tributing.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
So you need contributes, yeah you do. But the tribute bands,
you know, they've.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Got to come in with all this stuff and every
to be them, and you know, and they do do
two hundred shows, and thank god they do. They don't
get paid, Like if there's a Cream tribute band, they're
not getting paid.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Or cream made. They're way down on that pole.

Speaker 6 (05:37):
But the good news is anybody like Fleetwood Mac has
a tribute band, Hey they're still alive. Oh forgot well,
so interesting and people going to the tribute band can't.
They can't afford Fleetwood Mac. So Fleetwood Mac gets their
music and aul One you can go find their music
and they have decent.

Speaker 7 (05:55):
And supporting our constant tribal cry here out on HTT,
which is that it is.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
All about Yeah, yeah, it's the same thing. You know,
It's all about the songs. And that's why if somebody's
out there doing it well and they're not.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
Actually the original people, people are going to like that
because they're hearing the record.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Because this is of something. You know, what gets you
upset is if they well, then you're like, that's not fair.

Speaker 6 (06:22):
So we're going to take some time today and go
through our calendar and now you can go to the
Facebook page and go to Castle dot com. You can
read this stuff. But you know, people buy audio books
for a reason they don't want to read, and we're
okay with We're okay with that. For those who don't
want to look things up, we do want to. You know,
the summers we were talking last night, This month is

(06:44):
going to blow right by us. I know it's only
August fourth, but it's been one week and then and
you are looking when you look at the counciles, you're
looking at three bands and you've got the Cosciles, you
get our trio show. Then we have the Susan Castle Band.
Everybody's busy. This will take you through it.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
First gig after the summer tour is the Marty pra.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
On the Boardwalk.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
Their home Girl September three, Susan who kicked enough of
New Orleans and Marty Gros because we had the Marty
ground Hobbedy Gross last year New York, Marty Grow and
when you hear about the Marty Garth deep, I only
think of food. I don't think of parades.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
And you must have passed.

Speaker 6 (07:30):
I know.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Other area of Marty Nobody.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
Nice seven DM show. We're going to give us some
details books Nice seven on the Boardmark Classic pop Star Finale.
The whole show is Tony Mark presents Martin Gras on
the Boardwark Classic pop Star Finale. That little show, I think, yeah,
the show anyway, So that's it. That's full band. That's

(07:55):
full band.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Do we leave the stage and then come back out
as the pop Star Finale or we stay up there
and go surprise we're the pop Star Finale.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
Yeah, and our show. What we're going to do is
instead of we all come out only the principles. For instance,
I'll come out first of all the mamp's going on,
then be joined by and then Susan will join. Then
we'll get out of there.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
We'll have to run through it.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
That on was we come out.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
You all into the finestial are a principal.

Speaker 6 (08:22):
Susan, you can do anything you want. Okay, Now that's full. Ben,
Now we dismiss them immediately because we're going on four
trio shows. Okay, And here it is October thirtieth, about
septeen Arlington Arlington Music called September tenth and Arlington, Texas. Okay, guys,
it's the Arlington Arlington seven thirty PM show I'm lovely

(08:44):
these time.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
There's tickets available, it seems get them.

Speaker 6 (08:47):
And you can go to our website. It tells you
how to attend, how to get tickets.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
So that's September tenth. Now October thirtieth, thirty first seven,
we're on Port Washington Library and Port Washington our second
return in there by the way, we do that a
number of years ago. On October thirtieth, we're going to
be Halloween on Times Square in New York City at
the Iridium in New York City, A thirty show there
we have never mentioned.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Take on now that is our first show.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
No.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
The thirtieth at Fort Washington Library on Long Island.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Is fixing his calendar.

Speaker 6 (09:21):
This is great. We're going through this. It's fun to do,
very casual, and I know it makes me look down,
not look at the camera, but I'm sorry. That's okay,
So anyway, we'll see it. So which Cadatto after Halloween
to November first, the very next day at the Suffolk
out on Long Island, Riverhead, New York.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
That's our longest drive. Maybe I don't know him.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
Back to Avenue, New Jersey at the AVENUEE Performing Arts
Center November second, be there, and then we wrap up
things December fifteenth at our third return to tom Ball,
Texas with the Trio Show, with the Trio Show, and
that wraps up the year. However, January we kick off

(10:00):
with a bang Yeah a New Orleans bank because Susan's
going on a cruise, televine cruse in January.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Big Easy Cruise in January, featuring everyone from New Orleans.
You are familiar with our themed cruises, were on all
of them, thankfully, flower Power, Rock and Romance small shop.
And now we bring you third annual Big Easy Cruise.
I for the first time, will be representing my city
alone in that solo thing, he says, I do sometimes
by going out. I have my own show on the

(10:27):
big boat with all the hometown guys. So come out
for that. I don't know the dates, or I would
have been more prepared, but google was Starvest a big
easy cruise.

Speaker 6 (10:34):
Thanks you our thinking January in the middle of the
month sometimes and for any to late, any fears of
this of the food thinking you're going on a ship
and all you've got to get is just food. Here,
I want you to know there's a regular food for
people that don't want to mass fuel crop fish.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
And then even.

Speaker 7 (10:53):
Well to Bob's, we have Chef Kevin. He is a
local hero and he does he is bringing on and
the first year we didn't. We just had regular cruise fair.
I was just a guest on those two years. But
but Chef keV has been brought on, and keV is.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
A big New Orleans chef, so we have that big
But as both points out, that buffet is the same
buffet from Starvestuff or whoever. Yeah, you know, all the
good morning afternoon and evening our snackies Europe.

Speaker 6 (11:21):
Your massed potatoes. And then you come to a big
round thing of boiling water. You know the guy's gonna
throw in live cropties that you can kill it right away,
but not on the ship.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Okay, we're not.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
Getting out the cauldron on the ship and part of
the New Orleans experience, man exactly can use it to sailing.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
Okay. So that's what's going on there.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (11:43):
Uh and Paul and I are on paid lea there
on paid leave.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
I do have him on retainer. Russ is going off
and he's going on.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
Here's here's here's big news. We do have a weekend
in February. We have booked this Friday, February twentieth, East Greenwich,
Rhode is on the odium full band. The next day,
February twenty first Saturday, the Cutting Room in New York City.
We make our return finally to the Cutting Room in

(12:10):
New York City for a fun weekend of full band
and all the fun then as I have there, it's
going to be so cool. So look up the odum
Ode WM if you want to look up be there
East Greenwich, Rhode Island.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Get the word out cos APM shows.

Speaker 6 (12:28):
I think both. Yeah, APM shows. Okay, great, So that's February.
Now March are busy group March around the sixth through
the weekend of the sixth, seventh eighth, We're gonna be
at Hoppity Gross again for a fun weekend. We're gonna
have our Friday night thing, our show. I'm going to
do a pump set, We're gonna have little things.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Just check with that.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
We're still doing that at the weekend at Hobbity Gross.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
We can get treated.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
Yep, same thing as we did last year. So here
we go.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
That's gonna be a fun week Then the Flower Power Cruise, okay,
flower Park.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
And then when is it? That's February twenty eighth through
April fourth, which push pushes us into April.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
March you meean or February said very March March twenty
eighth to April fourth. Okay, March twenty eighth is zeries.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
What's our first March date, by the way, March date.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
March sixth, seventh eighth, that weekend in Arbory Gross.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Sure.

Speaker 6 (13:24):
And then yeah, that's why we contacted.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
So we go on the cruise.

Speaker 8 (13:28):
We go on the cruise on the twenty eighth, twenty eighth, Okay,
May the Beetle Happy Road down the River, May Saturday
and a Sunday full band.

Speaker 6 (13:39):
What's the date? May twenty third and May twenty fourth
of Saturday and Sunday is what? Jeffersonville, Indiana Appy Road
on the River?

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yes, and then the summer tour comes out us again.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
So there you have it all.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Say I need an app and then we'll come.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Back to date. Oh and then May is that great?

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Right?

Speaker 6 (14:00):
Yeah? Yeah, that's very cool.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Probably right there.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
All right, Okay, back to our friends who've been watching
us filling calendars.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
I got to get something, guys, talk up, okay.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Sowing anyway, guys, we are in Nashville. We're going to
be playing at the Rhyme and we're going to see
Bossy Show. We're going to go see our boss, who
couldn't make it.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
Out this year.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
It's just a couple of weeks before we were coming out.
Mark Bowman was ready to rock, came down with a
nasty glue or something that messed him up and knocked
him off this thing. It's feeling much better, but we've
benched him and so we're in Nashville, and Paul and
Bob and I and Ray are going to go say hi, hey,
report back next week on how boss he's doing. And
that's a little you've been taking a picture. I think

(14:40):
we will so might do a little clip.

Speaker 6 (14:43):
We wanted to share a tour book with you, so
just so you guys know, when we arrive on the
leg of a tour, they give us a book. We
just get this book. Okay, we put our names ongether
that's Bob's turtles seeing the American Land. I think Eric
Luck is a bog. The councils you go. Now, what
we do is they give it to us. At first,
it gives you every city we're going to, so there's

(15:03):
the whole itinery just in a quick trunk heated way,
you know. Boom boom boom. And then you get everyone
who works here. We're going to keep that secret because
they don't want to hear from anybody. There's more people
that work. See how many people it takes to do
this tour. Okay, and then you get the the where
are you page?

Speaker 1 (15:21):
All right there you go the book or the Book
of good in because there's.

Speaker 6 (15:25):
Mistakes in here. Okay, this is so it tells you
where you're going to be, and it tells you the
order of the show and all that good news. And
then we refer to this until we get mistakes, and
then we go to people say what's this mistake? And
that's when you find out it's the Book of lies.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
And to make it more possitible, I did that, and
I came up with that because I started not like you.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
So this is mine and they're all different colors. We
have eleven years worth of bas so I think I've
kept on mine. I have four forty four U books
as suit and ike and wearing all my land. But
what I do, guys, is I doll leg them.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
I think we used to call ear something then them,
and so I know the day has passed. So when
I open up, I'm not going.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
You know, it's.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Tips. After eleven years you learn.

Speaker 6 (16:19):
So you hear this on the bus a lot. Hey
can I borrow your book?

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Who's got a book?

Speaker 6 (16:23):
Can this is book? They want?

Speaker 1 (16:25):
You know, we should leave a book out.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
What we do we do because you're over there.

Speaker 6 (16:30):
It's just because you're sitting next to it. They say,
can you borrow? So September News of September is that
during all of this, the Cocaine Dream album is going
to bless the world with its presence.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
This is when we're going to be born finally.

Speaker 6 (16:47):
In the way that we are.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
It's a cruel cover for the Bible. Yeah, well, I
guess that would be. It's cool CDs, right, it's coming up,
but I don't have a CD absolutely, so give you
know online. You can buy at there or get it
from us at our shows.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
YEP album Answer g LUs we may or may not
have answers ago.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
At this point personally in my life, I do call
it the Susan Coussel solo album.

Speaker 6 (17:12):
Me and Paul John John did some devil work for
us as a lead vocalist, because again me and Paul
you do it, you know, because we're not We were
very young. I was twenty nine, Paul was twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
And all I did was alread, playing answerment, never wrote a.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Song, and we're writing in her mode and we're getting
songs from Wendy.

Speaker 6 (17:30):
Waldman and that are for her.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
I was even best vocalist at the at the Black
what is that Blackies? Yes, yeah, for the year you
were nineteen eighty, Pico, I think was going on right here.

Speaker 7 (17:47):
And Seckys just for like I don't know, eighty two
when we were playing, just playing out Me and the Secrets.

Speaker 6 (17:54):
Yeah, yeah, we didn't have our name for a while because.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
We're afraid singer the Secrets cool.

Speaker 6 (18:00):
And then the critics we played at the remember the
Palinos where the critics of the Secret that tell me when.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Jackson Brown kids, he thought it was a great I'm sitting.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
Where the critics. So I'm sitting there. I remember waiting
to go on as the critics and like we're just nothing,
you know, We're just living our life, just still doing mud.
And Jackson Brown walks in and he swoops in fast
like famous people kind of have to do. And I
got that. And he swooped in, but he sits right
to my left, okay, and and I'm hey, you know
like that because heinos are more than me.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
So and from that minute she sat down, I took
the stage.

Speaker 6 (18:36):
Jackson Brown had a receiving line of people waiting one
at a time to just say hi and give him
respect whatever.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
They're going to do.

Speaker 6 (18:44):
And I'm sitting there. Yeah, I'll never forget.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
I asked him to come and I would sure an
ability and he was.

Speaker 6 (18:53):
This would be there.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Well, he had been involved, you know, he was our
friend that was elector sign.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
That little to admit, I'm to be honest with you.

Speaker 7 (19:02):
The Cocaine Drain meeting Chuck Clocking, all of that happened
started with John Meyer. John Meyer talked to Jackson because
he was his brother in law. Jackson talked to Chuck
about us.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
It was a family moment doing us a family stolid
and honestly, if you think about.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
It, we waited a long time for Chuck, you know,
but hung in there, and we waited. We would rehearse
every day, hours a day. Kids, you ever sitting ready
for the bust bus never stopped.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
I remember one bus stopped.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
One day to ear Shot. I pulled up. We're going
to rehearse like we do nine am, working on these
songs for Cocaine Dream. And all the time we were
real serious about it. Becau's like something new, you know.
And uh, there was a pathfinder of some kind of
car like that in the drive radio shot that was
way about our cars and I and Jackson's at our rehearsal.

(19:53):
And was the day Jackson Brown came to our rehearsal
at ear Shot and just listening.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
He came in ground Jeff rehearsal.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
He certainly did.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
This is Susan's friend to me, this is Jackson Brown,
the singer.

Speaker 6 (20:09):
Who's visiting us.

Speaker 9 (20:12):
Listen to understanding we're doing all kinds of Soria, Kenny
Edwards and gold stuff. Yeah, that's yeah, I got it
was in the rehearsed.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Pictures of this myself himself.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, he's like, yeah, I did.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
That's what our memories are, you know.

Speaker 6 (20:28):
But I'll not I won't forget that if we live
long enough.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
This is how our memories are friends.

Speaker 6 (20:33):
Because I think Jackson is the guy who eventually got
me an amplifier from his buddy David Linley, because I got.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Stenciled name on the cap.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
He sent me talking.

Speaker 7 (20:49):
Right, and and we were supposed to be going out
on a tour and all of her stuff just got drowned.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
He sent me an amp and a guitar.

Speaker 6 (20:59):
Too.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
You're going to make them come on so we can
recount all these great moms.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
He was just your buddy to us, he said, she's Jackson.
That's precious difference there.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
And boy, I'm getting excited because we've got a buddy
coming on and a heck of a story for you guys.
I just know you're gonna love it with Danny.

Speaker 10 (21:17):
You want to set up Danny at all, Well, we
did a little bit of it, you know. I went
over to Danny's house. They lived in Fairbanks Ranch in
uh like del Mar, and I went over to paint a.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Room of the land.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
My wife was working for Danny's dad at American Fashion Ezekiel,
the Baron Roth. These were all the baron you know,
the garment district names for their companies and uh. And
so I was there and I had met Danny when
he was like six or seven, Me and him, we
had to be in this room. They were having a
big sales meeting for their company, and Danny was in

(21:53):
his bedroom down below.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
And I didn't have anything to do with this company.
So I went down and hung out with Danny, and boy,
we had the greatest time. And he was like in
the sense experience, yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
And I was doing all the voices and stuff, and
so man, me and Danny, we just we became dear
friends right there. And and now though you know, and
time goes by and everybody's growing, and you know, Danny
and me are constantly in touch, but you know, we
have spaces.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Of not being in touch and being in touch. And
then we got in touch. And he said he's doing
a movie and it's called Good Bad Things, and and
I was thinking, man, what are you going to do
in a movie? You know that kind of thing?

Speaker 5 (22:31):
And boy, uh, you know, you know, he says, it's
not autobiographical. We're going to have to get him on
this one. But but it really is autobiographical in the
sense that yet he led his whole life and this
is the accumulation of everything that he'd been been working.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
It's something that could have happened to him.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yeah, you know, find out for sure, you know.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
And but you know, as he was young, you know,
during his young years, he had a great group of
friends men, and they were solid, and they were many,
and uh and it's amazing and Danny was always with
the group. And he you know, he was the last
guy to get in a scooter or a wheelchair. He
had wanted nothing to do with that and uh and
but eventually he was, you know, and uh, and we're

(23:16):
gonna hear all about his movie today and how it
came about, and uh, how he found.

Speaker 6 (23:22):
The balls to do it. Paul's been with this kid
so young. Yeah, and Paul, I mean he's to carry him, yes,
on his shoulder and carry him around. Okay, so years past,
and of course I'm just associated when everyone's living their
last around life out and then I'll never forget it
was the Orange County Fair Danny after decades almost yes,

(23:46):
and this kid comes in a hot rod wheelchair coming
at us, just like just exuding confidence. It is Danny,
and I'm gonna re see him again, you know, And
and you just feel how we thrived and how we
evolved and how Jesus banded You didn't stop at all

(24:07):
that you know, the store wheel chair, and it was like, hey, yeah, yeah, he.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
Was involved with so many other organizations that he's kind
of gone ahead and helped and brought his attitude in,
you know, and his attitude is crazy.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I want to I want to know how how he's
got this attitude going this long.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
The story that's on Rhythm of the World was written
for his brother. Can you just share that right now?

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Oh yeah?

Speaker 6 (24:33):
So good of the world.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Goodbye. It's not forever.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
It was a moment in our lives that I had
to be leaving the kids you know, Danny was off
to LMU Loyal and Marrimunt University.

Speaker 6 (24:46):
He was headed that way.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
Drew his headed into high school, and I just felt like,
you know, this old fart hanging around him all the time.
I mean I was at every party when they were kids.
I was everywhere with them, you know, and I always
felt a little awkward because you know, here's this old guy,
you know, hanging out with all these young guys girls.
And it was like, but man, they brought me in.
They made me feel great and going. Did they ever

(25:08):
spoofed me a lot? They They really had their moments
with me and tricking me. I didn't know there were
like heaters in seats at the time, and they knew it.
And then so they've always put my heater on in
the you know, one hundred degrees weather in San Diego
and h and I would be sweating looking around going
down and it's really hot here, and I looked back
and they'd be laughing and laughing. I found out, Oh no,

(25:32):
Danny did brother folks who's passed now. And I wrote
that song for Drew actually because I was I was,
I had him. I was outside of school, just hanging
waiting for him to.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Come and uh, you were gonna be yeah, yeah, yeah,
I had.

Speaker 5 (25:50):
To tell him that, and I was looking through these
branches and this song just tumbled out.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
That's how it happened.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
It's an amazing It is one of the most amazing songs.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
All it's really beautiful. And after you see it, listen
to it. Good luck. Yeah, get your hankies out.

Speaker 6 (26:09):
Photo. Well you know people you know, and I did
the same thing. You always jump on all it's a
relationship song.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
Well it is.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
It's a real twist, yeah, yeah, and that's what makes it.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
Really low End told me about a few friends that
came out to oh wow, did you write out about you?

Speaker 3 (26:24):
And she goes, no, he wrote it about a little boy.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
But it's yeah, it could any was taken care of it,
it'd be one of your views. I'm tripping because like now,
I'm living in Glendale and he's going in the Navy,
so my source of protection is leaving the building. So
I made it about me, So that's a beauty of me.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (26:46):
And the fun thing about the recording of Goodbyes Now
Forever was that at the end, see he wrote it
on a piano. Yes, I mean we're all piano players
in the terms of Yeah, I kind of company John
as we all have. So Paul did this on piano,
but for some reason it was I know, I never
thought of it until the end for him to play
the piano on the song.

Speaker 11 (27:07):
And so he was using the piano to show us something.
I think one of us different. Actually, I think he
did one day. It was one and I had never
played a grand.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Giant. I was just going through it. You know, I
have my old little pianos, my family liquis, but I
was going through that.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
Bob walks through and he goes, he goes, are you
going to want to record that? I go yeah, he goes,
are you ready?

Speaker 3 (27:34):
I got ready.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
I went right in and you know, and I did
it by way. And it was interesting because because the
track was you know, it was a great track. I mean,
everything was going smooth, but you got but I was
missing what I had wrote and that was just so
it's you know, in the chorus, just you obey and that.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
So yeah, and it kind of created it, yeah, a
different kind of thing in there. So it was nice
and it was up good in the mix and I
hearing what I was after.

Speaker 6 (28:01):
It's three point zero zero.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
It's three o' fove chans.

Speaker 6 (28:05):
Now you can go home?

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Is that like?

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (28:08):
You know, people, if this is family out here, you know,
by the way, by the way, just to show you
how we how we have to We didn't expect to
be here, clearly.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
So now you're seeing a lamp without the shade. You
know what's going on that day nineties guys.

Speaker 6 (28:23):
This is a refrigerator. The room refrigerator would unplugged to
sit Susan on right here, so everything's thawing out, but
nothing's in it. We took the lampshades down because I
had one, see the one above my head. Now you
see it, don't you The light bulb, well that had
a lampshade. It looked like I had a Tom Terrific
hat on. Yes, and if you remember Tom Terrific, you
remember he that funnel he put on upside down on

(28:45):
it said, and I can't remember what that was all about,
but that's what it looked like. So stay, it's a
beautiful thing for you here in a hotel room.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
Yes, unfortunately we have a hotel room because otherwise we'd
be outside doing we would be doing this because the
bus is on its way to get there.

Speaker 6 (29:04):
Goodbye. I mean, anything can happen at any time. Folks,
believe me.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Bus fires from member last year at the buses.

Speaker 7 (29:10):
Yet, guys are saying in there, I can only assume
you heard anything that I was doing.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
No, we couldn't hear it. It seemed that the character
talk loud to block them. Okay, I'm back, Okay, it's
there's three point one that.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
So we might you know, who knows.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
I just start checking messages.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
I love it sometimes checking he's not calling, you know,
I'm checking if he says, hey, I'm trying to get
in right, Yeah, I'm not on yet. I looked at
the text.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
He could then he knows.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
But man, you guys, you know we're going to reiterate
a lot of this stuff. When Danny Zombo, you guys
got to see this movie. I mean, look at it's
I think you you can rented on Amazon. I've got
to change things written down. We'll make sure we'll go
through it.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
It is a beautiful movie. It's so beautiful.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Oh my god, it's crazy, but it's beautiful and it's
energy and it's oh it's sad and happy and funny.
They call it a what were they calling it an
oppressing is something?

Speaker 4 (30:23):
No?

Speaker 3 (30:24):
They ended it with m d Y so like a drama, a.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Drama edy comedy that's work.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, yeah like that And I didn't too, because you know,
there was I.

Speaker 6 (30:38):
Remember the first time I heard the phrase rom com
I didn't know what they were talking about.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
We had a comedy, I said.

Speaker 6 (30:45):
The first time I heard that, I said, was in
the commercial with all the Halloween characters were talking about
Oh is it a rom coming?

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Call it come from now?

Speaker 6 (30:55):
Example Sleeplessness, Yeah, yes, the other night yes, seatle yeah
with Sydney like two nights ago.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Oh god, yeah, fell wrong Cam he goes to the
sensitive movies with me and he doesn't mean John went
with him.

Speaker 6 (31:16):
Just in case anythings you know about our podcast episodes,
anything can kind of anything can happen to flip the situation,
you know, because of technology now, but we want to
share something fun about Gary Puckett. Okay, and to show
where technology it's never too late. And even Gary came
to you guys got to try this. And it looks

(31:37):
like Cherry Pie said no, I can't do it, but
so Gary decided we have monitors at our feet the
way Gary decided to try the in ear monitor, and man,
this man swears by you.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Guys, well, I swear by it.

Speaker 6 (31:49):
Having some stage it made him like excited, said because
he hears himself so clear in the main.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
He is killing it and his keys, he said, because
he can hear him so the beautiful. And I think
he's also using the vocal Mist. Yes that Paul and
I have record.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
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Speaker 5 (32:09):
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Speaker 6 (32:15):
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Okay, so let me testimonial for you. First second on
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(32:38):
sounds like a commercial. Since vocal missed, Yes, since vocal
miss that does not happened. Okay, I'm not going to
say I think that that's the only thing in the equation.
Maybe we're having a healthy summer, but there's a difference.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
You're just vocal mist does talk with hydrating your vocal cords,
is it kills bacterial So if you have.

Speaker 7 (32:58):
Picked up a friend on your way to the carrier
in the bathroom, when we're on that twice a day,
they killed the same way.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Filling bacteria. That's why we're healthy, like a salt water.
It is exactly so we are daily fighting bacteria that
normally might have grabbed us. And then once what happens
out here for me at sixty six, if I get in.

Speaker 7 (33:19):
There, if I don't have a day off or two,
it's now I am perpetuating a thing that snowballs into
a stressful.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
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Speaker 7 (33:28):
I'm not gonna lie because I learned this use of
steroids when I was a kid. But I was warned
heavily by the aforementioned Jackson Brown that it is not
cool at eighteen to start using steroids for your vocals.
But I had nodes, so I tried them when I
was a kid, and they took care of it out
here on the road. In the last four years, for sure,

(33:49):
I've brought them with me in case I get the.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Crud, because it'll knock it out. Anti inflant haven't had
to use a product of chemical steroid this whole time.
Yeah I would right now, but I know I could
tell when something was coming. And then I'm like, why
am I not getting this? I was sneezing for a while,
but here it comes, and then I read about our thing.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
Give your YouTube vocalists to see it. But if you
want to visualize it, it's like an inhaler. It has
that with a mist.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
Yes, an atomizer is it. Put it in there and
let it go down you and it coats your vocal
cords with the same solution, which takes the swelling down,
which turns into the mists. Because yeah, your horse or that,
that's just your vocal cords all cracked up and they're
just hitting each other in a bad way.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
I could just loaded with stop since it's good.

Speaker 7 (34:36):
It's empty, but hold on very Yeah here it is,
but she's empty because I did it this last night
at about four am.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Okay, it looks like a nebulizer and it is informed.
But the product and the little guy here, it's all
about the back of your throat and this sitting picture
saline's solution picture saltwater that's allowed to stay for a while.
And not just be drank down or you know what
I'm saying. It is a game changer. Do it in

(35:05):
the morning.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
I have a real high note where we go, Oh
you see that, my is really high.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
And you know, after about a week usually it becomes
a crunchy kind of not so clear thing. And it's
been clear every night, every night, for every every every night.
And when we hit that note, man, me and Susan,
we just go. And by the way, it also serves

(35:35):
as a toy. You talk and get a hold of
this and move that rocket ship right up to the
launch air.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah, I got it right.

Speaker 6 (35:44):
Room.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
It's a waiting room. Been on for a bit, says
you're in waiting room. I used the link Bob sent
to looked anyway, it's to get right hold on.

Speaker 6 (35:55):
I gotta go see if there's a waiting room now,
Nanny leading to gentlemen, to all of our listeners. We
have Danny Kurtzman, who is an actor, a famous actor
in our lives anyway. Yeah, because this guy pulled off
with the Good Bad Things. I love that title. We'll
get into that. But this is Danny and he's our

(36:15):
guest today. He's a good friend of Pause to tell
you all about that kid. We've set some of this up, Danny.
We've been talking about you, okay, and talking a lot
about you, but this is a actor, writer, entrepreneur, advocate, advocate.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
Are we done with all those cuts of this podcast?
It away and just just a hommie honestly like that.
That's the biggest thing. You guys are family me and
my more life and that's special in itself. And I
love you, guys, and thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
We love will you know back a long ways, buddy.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
I think me and you met when you were either
six or seven, honestly, and I was there just painting
a room in your house. And lu Anne, my wife
who sends her love to you, was working for Danny's
dad at American Fashion, or actually le Baron Roth at
the beginning, and then Ezekiel and then American in Fashion,

(37:13):
and so Louis and so you know, Steven was going, hey,
you know a painter. She goes, yeah, my husband's a painter.
So I went there the painter room, and you know,
I think I painted that room and never left for
like three years.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
It was pretty wild.

Speaker 5 (37:27):
You were you were now nine or ten, and the
muscular district feed now had just started coming.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Into your life.

Speaker 5 (37:33):
I mean when I met you, everything was cool, you know,
and then about nine years old, this whole deal starts
coming down and you know, who told you?

Speaker 3 (37:44):
How did you find out?

Speaker 4 (37:46):
Oh, I'm back this. I don't even truly I kind
of remember it, but it was like I was flowing
a little bit around nine, and I went on playing baseball,
can you remember, and just like my just like just
physical abilities weren't as I guess functioning as all the
other kids that everyone was looking on back then. You know,

(38:07):
that's like, well, I'm like that's ninety six, you know,
so like that's still really early on in what people
visually saw with disabilities and stuff like that. So my
mom was like, oh, yeah, I get these these kids checked.
And so she took Drew and I into one of
the one of the hospitals in San Diego and they

(38:29):
diagnosed us with that SHD, which is the type of
metaco dishriviee both Drew and I at the same time,
and you know, the rest is history. You know. I
feel like we uh like actually it is like the
beginning of an amazing adventure and all amazing stuff and
that's kind of where I am today with it all,
you know, with compad things and advocating not just from

(38:50):
uscular dishrivie or just that f SHD, but all disabled people.
And uh, yeah, it's a beautiful, beautiful fucking thing.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
Funny because you know you were, Man, I remember coming
in one time and I go, all right, guys, we're
gonna get scooters and we're gonna get wheelchairs and they're
gonna have motors and you're gonna really love them.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
And then Danny looks at me and he goes, no
fucking way have I gonna get in any of that.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Yeah, dude, I honestly am been thinking about that so
much lately. Ball It's so crazy because yeah, and that's
literally my brand. Now you watch the movie Get Bad Things, like,
you know, we as a society, like especially like even
older individuals as you get older, and less limitations physical limitations,
like we're like we look at that chair, you know,

(39:37):
power are anual. We're like, no, like fuck that that's
gonna make me weaker and lesser. And you want to
know what I found out, Baul, None of that's true,
you know, like I should have just said yes, because
I said no, not because of me. I said no
because I thought I was gonna get treated differently, I
looked at differently, and that's all bullshit, you know, And honestly,

(40:01):
like it wasn't for you, Paul being in my life,
that like we're able to carry you and I and
just like oh when do everything honestly that we wanted
to do, like we would have really limited our independence
and what our experiences are in the planning and that like, yeah,
it's thank God for you and my parents like having
you in our lives, Like I probably wouldn't have had

(40:22):
the crazy adventurous childhood that I could have had it
because I was stubborn and said no to the chair,
you know. And now I am in a chair and
it only like allows me to do endless amounts of
things not limits to me. And I really don't give
a shit what people think about me because they can
go end.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Real And it was interesting, Danny, both you Andrew.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
You know, you guys were just I mean, nothing was
going to stop you guys from having fun and be
you know, and your mom, We've got to give it
to her that.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
She made sure that you guys were inside of everything they.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Brought you to them get money because I was a
kid too, you know, I knew you, I knew what
was going on, and he was one of my people too.
So bringing Paul to y'all that was a game changer.
It can change your life if you if you got
a challenge going on and you're thinking at that age
you might not make it. He's a pretty good.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Guy to get you out duead not yet in the
mid nineties. Like that's like this really wasn't really something
you will knew and like, yeah, very beyond grateful. It's
just like that's the way we did it. We like
saw something that needed a solution two degree to allow
us to live the endless lives as childs that we
wanted to do, and that was Paul being in their lives.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Like you know, just o many of all the sorry
damn which one has to be throw in the water.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Grew sureful sixth grade camp.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
The only way we could get in the car through
could jump off the end of the pier. So I
went to the end of the pier and just threw
him in there and.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Then jumped in. I told him I'll be writing anybody
you can count on me, And we've got to kyact
that whole thing. So Danny, so I just remember, you know.
And so now we're going into you know, we're years
into this now, a couple of years and you your
group of friends with Shane Stanger.

Speaker 5 (42:19):
Who did this with you, and we're going to get
into that. But he was a little kid as well,
and all you guys. It was a tight group, you know.
And you know, from my perspective, it looked like love
to me. I mean, everybody loved you guys, you know,
and and it was all about you know, I didn't
feel like anybody that was hanging out with you was

(42:41):
not feeling bad for you. You know, they were just
loving you and loving who you were, you know, which
is the guy in good bad things.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
So many years later, it just seemed like a perfect connection.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
You go to LMU, Loyal and Marrimont and you know,
you're still you were always the guy that was going
to push forward.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
We're going to push forward.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
It's okay, whatever is dogganized, we'll deal with that, but
let's just get to.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
The high ground.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Absolutely. Yeah. I so my bench groups just like, yeah,
you you knew me when I was nine. Starting at
nine years old, I feel like some of those nine
year old friends I still have at thirty eight, thirty
years later, I'm still like rolling with those guys. And
that's like pretty special that him and Shane. I just

(43:31):
got to make this like really awesome mavie with him
at thirty five years old, and I would tell your
story and that's so cooling.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
I remember when I met Shane. I looked right at him.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
I go, dude, I love you, and he's looking at me,
and I go, well, because you my well, this boy's
named Shane, so I love him.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
I gotta be loving you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Can I ask the question, I dude, I just want
to know.

Speaker 7 (43:57):
Obviously, the idea for this movie came from, you know,
our current lives with the dating thing in the apps.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
When when did yeah go ahead?

Speaker 4 (44:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (44:11):
How the heck did you decide I'm gonna make him
I'm going to write about this great, great, great question.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
I obviously had no plan on doing this whatsoever. I
joined the family business, like where Paul's wife Lui Ane
was at for many many years. I was doing fashion
for his fifteen years since I graduated el Shane was
going to the Stark Program in USC, which is the
film grad school at USC and he's just a very
hungry and patient individual. And he wanted to do a

(44:43):
feature well still at grad school, which I but I
found out later really I've never truly been done at
the Stark program. Like the closest thing to something like
that would be The Napoleon Dynamite, which was written and
I think it was short version of that was dining
at the Start program, but of course went on to

(45:06):
be this tremendously successful film, and she just wanted to
do it. So he called me up. And I hadn't
done a short with Shane, but shang up COVID during
the short, so I ended up like I mean, and
to the kind of without him. He was like on
zoom trying to interrect this short with I'm like naked
in bed with a bunch of strangers. That was the
topic of the film. And so but like fast forward

(45:29):
six months from there, changed like I want to do
a feature, teacher. I was like, I've never really act,
changed other than that little short which I didn't really act.
I was literally just naked in bed and uh and
and he's like, well, I got you, and I was like,
I've never written a film. He's like I got you,
and we just sat down and we just like together
and put our heads together and wrote a script in

(45:52):
four to six weeks.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
And then Danny Yeah, so Danny so the first But
so you got going to do this, and you had
somebody independent of the both of you to write a script.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
We actually Shane Wynn hired a writer that knew nothing
of Shane or me or anything. It was just like,
do you write a script with a disability in it?
And we got it and it was so off tone
and amblest and gross that Shane and I were like, no, no, no, no,
we either don't do this.

Speaker 6 (46:28):
Should I ask something? So when you use excuse me
when you use the word ablest so that that first
script was it was too ablest, would you let us
let the people know what you meant by that? Like,
what's an example of that?

Speaker 4 (46:42):
An ambleist is just looking at someone with the disability
or someone with limitations and their abilities, whether it's mental
or physical, in a discriminatory down word way as like
a deficit or negativity or you know, having to like
overcome off theicles that are only benefitting the motions of

(47:02):
able body people. So it's it's it's it's anism towards disability,
just like racism and sexism and all that stuff. Enableism.
I actually did not know of that term until the
last five to ten years in my life, and I've
lived with a disability since I was nine years old.
So it is like somewhat of a newer thing that

(47:24):
people are learning about and need to know more because
it's crazy enough, happens all the time, and it's going
to continue to happen, and we're going to see it
happen as you know, the baby boomers get older and now,
like I said, not want to get assistive devices and
not be looked at a certain way. That is ableism.
That's looking at those things as a lesser of human

(47:47):
being a negative aspect, and that is not true. So
that discrimination for an ability that you know is.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Treating this script and going through going this not gonna fly?

Speaker 6 (48:01):
Oh my god, Yeah, I can't imagine it.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
It was like the slapstick comedy that just the jukes,
the jokes didn't land like you're on like a stage
of a stand up comedy story like they could have worked,
but like on a feature film going into Hollywood with
everything that's going on in these twenty twenties, like, no
way can you bring this to them out delay, because
we would have gotten litering and so no change. And

(48:25):
I just out there, We're like, we could do this.
I think we should try and tell our story because
at the end of the day, you just want to
be yourself to the full degree and the only thing
can comes better than anything is you. And so we're like,
let's tell us and we did that with.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
That Flies are Free back in the day, Okay, these
were you know, disabled people and their story and also
Butterflies are Free and then I'm born on the fourth
of July.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
You know, those were kind of like they're just kind
of you know gray there.

Speaker 7 (48:56):
It's all about the the gothic horror of this moment
and what in God's name.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Will one do?

Speaker 5 (49:03):
And what you guys did, Yeah, what you guys did
with good bad ye things was you It just was
so truthful. It was you know, it was the love
of you know, Shane. But you know I see Shane
as Jason, right, was that your partner in this movie?
You know, I see a lot of Shane in there,
you know, because because all of Danny's friends for many

(49:25):
years always were going, oh dude, you can do this,
we can do this all you know, we're going to
go here, Well I might not.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
You know, we're going to do these things.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
And all your friends were in on it. I mean
they were they were ready to be there for you.
All the poker games we played and yeah, yeah, I
got to sort my back. I almost had that operation
because I was their dealer and so but they had
the use poker table and we got deep into that
and I just, you know, I did just that group

(49:52):
of guys, you know, and and girls, the most beautiful
girls at Tory Pine's High.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
We're always at your house.

Speaker 5 (49:59):
You know.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
But do you think just was that able to help
you tell the truth at the end, just knowing these
people would be there, open minded for you.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Did Did that have anything to do with your your
will victory, your victory in the end of things here?

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Oh yeah, I go. I owe a lot to the
people I've been grateful to surround myself with in my life.
And like, I think that's like the beauty of disability
that people kind of not talk about so much, because
disabled love just allows you to have such a tremendous
amount and all different shapes of form that we don't
really usually align or attach itself to love. You know,

(50:42):
we look at love as this like heterosexual male teamal thing.
Obviously that has transformed in the most recent years, which
is beautiful, but I think it specifically disabled love allows
you to have the love of friendship, the love of
individuals in your life because you just connect and experience
things in such a It's another I love I have
from Paul is something that like you don't experience that

(51:05):
no one does because of what we've been able to
experience with each other and how he's been there for
me and vice versas how I've been there for him.
It's always a two way stream. That's like, that's something
that like I want to work on with especially the
disabled community, so much like we kind of want it
just be wanted one direction sometimes, but it's a two ways.
It's a two way streating. You've got to be just

(51:26):
as much a partner in that relationship as much as
you're getting back. And I feel like I've luckily enough
been born with that in the hair on my shouldering.
But yeah, it's just like a really cool thing that
you get to have and they're they're now your typical
type of love. You just have these deep people love stories.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
Of course, back to the movie. Yeah, so you got
the script you like and now you're happy with the script.
I want to know, did they suggest, how did it
come that you're now going to be an actor? Mister
I can do anything, is now going to be an actor?
And did you come up with that? Did they say
you're going to act this out? And did you just

(52:06):
go in and no second thoughts at all?

Speaker 3 (52:08):
I can act.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
I was scared out of my mind for sure. Definitely,
like I think, I get like that's a full I
mean every scene it's a hundred cages. I had some
long analogy in there, a lot of this that we
are rewriting like the day before, and like, yeah, it
seemed put me around a great supporting cast that made

(52:31):
me feel comfortable supporting casts for everything. So like it's
not so much about the dialogue you're seeing about the
supporting ever across.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
The doing that, Danny like it brought like everything to it,
you being the guy that you're talking about. It's like
the reality of it. I cannot even talk.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
To you about it.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
It's too hard.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
I'm a chick.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
It's a wrong column. I mean, you were romance the
romance about this movie is unpredictable when you're heading in yeah,
and then I'm just left like, oh my, it's just
a beautiful.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Love story and you know me in my life, so
like it's crazy. It's crazy to see the reactions that
you get from it because the verse fifteen minutes of
the movie, I'm not thinking he's like uncomfortable, but like
you're starting you don't know me as like outside the
movie you're trying to like you gotta get comfortable with me,
and like who the hell is Danny and like what's
he going through? Shane did a beautiful drive like it's

(53:32):
not just me at least the other part of the movie,
that verse fifty minutes because it's just like it's a
little slow. I'm gonna just spoiler it. That's like it's
a little slow. Like the way Shamee made it slow
is so per thick because it doesn't thrug you in
and makes you uncomfortable. You get really like easily drawn
into my character and be like, Okay, I like this guy.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
I can I don't have to know you, Dan, you
don't I started forgetting it with you, and I'm watching
and I'm like, this kid is this is so beautiful.
It's like, I really don't I.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Mean that, I was like I don't know, but I
bought me to go back to answer your question. Another
thing too, like yeah I was scared, but there was
this individual that was on this show called ram Is
Nage Steve Way, and so you know, I was again,
we know I have a lot of like on screen representation,

(54:25):
and so Steve also has the mester dishropieties and this
show rom me and seeing Steve in this show, like
I was like, dude, I have a chance, you know,
like if this guy, you know, maybe I can do this,
Like this could work, you know. And the cool thing
is then Steve ended up coming on He sec you
a producer because I reached out to him the Instagram
and now he's like like closest friend. He's coming over here,

(54:48):
Steve Way, right the way I did that choy within
him that I sang you poll that's on YouTube and yeah,
it's just like again, it's this whole big thing that
we're trying to build you more onscreen representation. You see
more of us, and you can see what's actually play
us able because in society and it's that specifically media,

(55:09):
you don't see enough of us told in the right way.
And you know, thank God for Steve on that show, Ronnie,
because I don't think I would have brought in the
confidence to pull out that will that I was thankfully
able to do.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
So you decide, so you and Shane are going to
write this thing now, okay, And so were you ever
into like the writing and just looked at Shane and went, no, no, no, no,
that that ain't happening.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Oh yeah, by your time, we like we're like, that's
that good land a little and you have to worry
about those things. Unfortunately, but like everything we put in
there was the truth. It was authentic, you know. I mean,
like that's usually what happened when we had those feelings
where they weren't the most authentic parts of the of
the movie. And then when he just went back to

(55:58):
what we do and put it in there. And again
we're first time director, first time actor doing this with
punning our money where our mouth was so like just
liokening into what we know, and it was a risk.
It still is a huge risk, and thankfully change what
we call like one of those cool golden gooses, you know,
like what everything he does turns the gold and I

(56:19):
will do anything Shane ever tells me to do because
he's one of those lucky motherfuckers.

Speaker 6 (56:27):
Right right, So Good Bad Things is on Hulu, right Hulu?

Speaker 4 (56:33):
Yeah, so Good Bad Things? Uh. Game available for renting
and purchasing it on every platform specifically Apple, Amazon, Purchase, YouTube,
you can rent it our buy in and then you
have Blu or Disney Plus you can watch stream Good
Bad Things United States? And uh yeah, how did that?

Speaker 3 (56:59):
How did that?

Speaker 5 (56:59):
How did did you guys? And was it Shane or
you guys just you know, making cold calls? You got
fifty AMC theaters all across the United States to play
your film on a particular night.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
How did that happen?

Speaker 4 (57:14):
It's crazy. Yeah, not many movies are going to fewaters anymore.
Into something that we are like, we have this, like
I want to do it. And we found another one
of our disabled community members and Lisa Shoemaker. She was
at Amazon Pictures for many many years and she now
has her own consulting can gig that deals with like

(57:36):
that dishrict in the early distribution models for specifically what
she likes to do Champions, which are disabled films, and
she of course loved our movie and had a relationship
over at AMC, and like, yeah, who you know, helps,
but it also helps to have a movie that they
actually liked and so yeah, they.

Speaker 6 (57:56):
Want to get in the door.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Yeah we got sounds.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
So what's the future? Are you looking for a bigger
theatrical release or what's the goal?

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Good Bad Things? I think is just it's it's out
in the world for people to enjoy forever, and now
we will continue to open up international distribution as things
kind of progress, and then when Hulu is, you know,
had its time with it, we will either extend with
Hulu or find another streamer that wants us. But it's

(58:28):
just like there's not too many disabled films that tell
that kind of story like Good Bad Things, And I
don't know many that are coming out all and beautiful documentaries,
but in terms of like the narrative to eachuture, it's
just really hard. Right now. Hollywood's going through a crazy,
crazy revamp and lots of lots of things aren't being
rang lit the way it should and they're having to

(58:49):
bud a lot more stuff. So I don't know how
many are going to come out, but hopefully this mayvie
when people want that disabled themes, beautiful, powerful story, they
go to good bad things. So we'll let that grow
and then I'm just I'm in your Yeah, I'm in
you are trying to make more types of good bad things,
whether it's like a play or a show pilot or

(59:12):
another feature.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Series.

Speaker 6 (59:15):
Thought, dude, in the book.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
We'll see Yeah, a book books.

Speaker 5 (59:20):
You used to think about what a great reality show
the whole thing that we all did growing up.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Imagine that thing in your area.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
Yeah, with you know, the good bad things is one
element of your life that is like incredible, and but
there's so many other elements to your life that are
also incredible.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
Yeah, it's well, you were like early days and what
we what were in the communic call like a PCA
and personal care assistant. You were like early days, what
we want for a pc A, You know, someone that
like equals out your energy, brings out a positive every
single day with you and allows you to just like
enjoy lights to the fools, because we need someone to

(01:00:06):
be a part of that journey. And you want someone
that just like lights you up with you. And that's
what you were with Drew and I at for early
ages and like you guys speak every single day, you know,
with my assistance that I have, it's like, I want
I want that partner prime that like, it's I'm stoked
to be with during the time that we're together, and

(01:00:27):
also there's stoked to be with me. And I think
that's what we try to look for and disabled community
love because it's a huge part of us and how
we live.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
Man, Drew would have been so proud of this whole deal. Man,
he might have even been in it with you.

Speaker 6 (01:00:46):
You know, he was with us.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
But yeah, certainly giving you an.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
There's a scene that you guys definitely know of in
the movie that I like you he's he's in that scene. Now,
you definitely got to be there to know scene. I
couldn't have got there without him. Definitely took me like
hours and hours of prepping and I just was in
my sound Drew and I rolled out into that show
and I pulled that shot out and he was there

(01:01:14):
there with me. And I'm pretty sure that scene right
there is what like really swung a lot of people
in that movie, and foremost is what got me the
Christopher Reeves Acting Award last year because that was a
hell of a scene. I don't know if I can
pull I'm gonna try and pull that type of scene
off again in my career, but that was that was
a big one for me.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
Threw was almost like the older brother, you know, he
had that kind of wisdom and just everything.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
You know, Yeah, that just fancy, so Danny.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
So so you did the movie and now you get
to slam Dance, okay, and and in my opinion, you
got the two best awards, and that was the Audience
Award and but more important even the Jury Award. I mean,
I can't imagine. Man, it just had to be pretty
pretty cool to get those awards. And you know see

(01:02:08):
some you know, like some people can do it and
they never mentioned again, but you really, you really hit
all the notes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
You know, you were at under eight eight other places too.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
You guys get when you make an album and you're
like you share with like your close friends and things
like that, and everyone's like this is this is really good, guys,
but you're like still like you're not, so you know,
I f're like it's good, but like I still want
to like a little more good, Like how many people
are really.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Gonna like it?

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
So that was the world for me. A slam dance
and like, yeah, I was. I was not to my
stomach sweating, sweating, sweating during that whole thing, like is
this do we really? Do we really make something good?
And I had no idea we were gonna win. Both
those boys alone, one of them.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
Man, feeling for you and Shame to be together and
the conflict look at I mean ship, yeah you wrote
that's so big, you know, and for Shame to still
be there with you, you know, and and just the good,
the true friend that he always was, you know, even
you know during the highs and lows and you guys

(01:03:15):
got to do this was something else.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Oh yeah, and they can call their name and we're
just like I just looked at you and I was
like what what the heck? Like I was this thing?
You know, my dad was there too. That was it
was Graham Park City. You're at sun Dance, like you know,
slam Dance is like the Inni Festival of like one
of the true o g in the festivals. And to

(01:03:38):
do that with them first time to rent that's crazy
in a room fall very talented, r working indie filmmakers
and you're just like getting.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Special deserve it manh yeah, it meets you where you are.

Speaker 5 (01:03:55):
And you know your whole life, you know, however you
parleyed your life brought you right to this scene and
to this movie, and that you were have a ball,
you know, to go naked.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Brother, let's say it like it is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
But I asked Danny before I saw it, I go,
am I going to see you naked?

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
He said, yep, yeah, Jane Budgeling cut out more than
naked than we had in there originally. But yeah, you know,
I guess that's just like going to be in my
so called writer and everything that I'm just naked and
all my babies. But why not, you know, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Man, that is a love story in a half. Yeah,
you are a phenomenal leading man.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
I don't think you're done, Danny, so listen. So I mean,
I know we've talked and you might have an agent.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
I actually was with a manager for a bit. We
just partied ways again. Going back to Hollywood's a little
bit of a little bit of a chaotic mets at
the moment. But yeah, I mean, you know, me, my
whole light ball, I don't really like settle and I'm
always like hungry to go figure out what's next in
some majority of the Yeah, the opportunities that will come

(01:05:13):
my way. I'm gonna be going after myself as a
solo representative and my my career. So we'll see, we'll
see what happens. And yeah, this is the Hulu just
happened in May.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
You know, like at all these Christian's Award.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Yeah, that was the last year I was it. I
got them Music Awards Superman.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Right but wow. Yeah, so so so you're gonna you're
gonna keep going in this vein for a while.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Right, Yeah, you know, it's gonna be some form of art,
specifically with like you know, man and I'm possibly a
play or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Dark it's important stuff to leave to for for legacies
of of people and then to and you know, to
keep learning.

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
And you're also bringing you know, yeah, you can do
it to your whole community. I mean, you know, like
this is a very edgy movie. I mean it is
funny at times, it's really sad at times, but but man,
it can get really edgy. Feeling your your angst.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
In this movie, yeh, because you know, all the all
the representations we see a disability are written by disabled people.
Some ninety of the stories are not true. So then
disabled people, whether they become disabled, they're born disabled, diagnosed
with disabled, to look at these examples as truth. So

(01:06:45):
they live into these false truths their whole lives. And
that's why good bad things are the real deal. It's
an authentic story. And that's basically like through all the
different type of life forms I'm tackling. I'm trying to
rewrite the story what it means to be disabled today
so that people can really know the truth versus living
to these false truths that our society that has built

(01:07:09):
over and over that if we become disabled, we are lesser, weaker, deficit,
uncapable of so many things, which at the end of
the day is so deeply not fucking tripping. Yeah, amen,
and disability that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
You're a great person for your community, Dude. You put
yourself into a spot that you know believable. You can
listen to this guy, Look what he did. I mean
across a lot of barriers for a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
I bet you know, just as they're sitting at home.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
We're not biased.

Speaker 6 (01:07:46):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
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Speaker 6 (01:07:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
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Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
That doesn't enoy the day. And they're like, I googled
you and I was like, oh, I forgot I can
be googled now.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
You're right, dude.

Speaker 6 (01:08:07):
I love that You've got a lot of stuff out there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
I'm gonna dig down later.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
I love you, guys, I love it so much.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Thanks for coming on with us.

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
Brother, Yeah, he does that show. I get to see
you guys at the interstaw Suasan and Paul, but that
you guys killed it. That was so awesome and I
am like and stuff like every show you all do

(01:08:39):
is the absolute best.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
And yeah, thank you for that validation.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
So it does.

Speaker 6 (01:08:49):
It's great name all right.

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