September 24, 2025 • 49 mins
Hi everyone hope all is well as autumn approaches. Just some ramblings today to pass some time. Next week we have Johnny Whitaker from the "Family Affair " TV show. Have a great week!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
I saw I'm sitting in the rim. Hi, you're the Castles.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm Paul, I'm Bob.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
And I'm Susan Cowcill.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
And welcome, Welcome, one and all to the.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Concil Podcast, where we have fun, fun, fun, even when
we're being serious every.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Single week with our music stories and weekly special guests
from all walks of life.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
All of us can use a break sometimes take a breezer, right.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Right right, Well, if that's true for you, then you
have a rived at the right place at the right time.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
So we want you to sit back, reading back and
escape with.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Us and to our world of harmony, laughter and tom foolery.
So let's get to it. Here's today's episode of the
Castle Past.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeahs, it is holding something up that says, come there,
we'll go.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I don't know whats on it. It's the thing from
Mike Kurtner. It's the Boz, the Base, the.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Bas Yes, a radio host on Calcil Chronicles nowety seven
point seventh the River. Download it every Sunday. Yeah yeah,
now I can see it real nice. Yeah, we got ours.
If you put it with the blue one, it's really
a nice uh nice little thing there.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
You have to be behind it or lose it.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yes, that's right of our Uh second, pretty groovy, man.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I will tell you some radio show. Yeah yeah, I
do want to mention something about that. And hopefully Mike's watching.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Hi Mike. I think Mike watches, so you go, Hi Mike.
But you know what we did, and I mean we
think it's just bitching.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Is we scrape that white off and and so it's
it's actually embossed the glass is you know, all of
that lettering is raised.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You know to do that though.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Louis had an idea and so yeah, so it's so
cool with the other blue thing and.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
We're gonna start picking away at it, go in the water.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, so I never thought to do that.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yes, it's very cool looking.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I don't know if I want that way, hold on,
let me see what I can do.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yes, Uh, we do not have a guest today. That's okay.
We all have one next week and.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Uh almost have Savannah.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
We already know who it is, Johnny Whittaker. So yes,
next week we're going to have Johnny Whittaker on. He
is off right now heading off to Ringos Stars All
Star Show, and it's good for him. We'll get a
report on that first.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
So aren't we going to be having Mark Lester in
the future.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Mark Lester is in the future. He is currently in
Italy and on his return from Italy, he's going to
let us know he's back and we'll get Marky boy on.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
That's going to be something I'm going to have to
be real cool.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I don't know. I wish we could set it up
where Susan could we could plague her way.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I wish we could love. Yeah, I wasn't flat.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
She did that on Playboy After Dark.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
You didn't sing it flat like you just Emily.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Oh, I think. I Well, it was only nineteen so
I probably was pretending it was flat. What is she doing?
But she loved Mark Lester. If you love an artist,
this is kind of strange. We love the Beatles well.
One of the things about loving an artist, if you
get to sing their song, or wear their song, or
learn their song, you've become closer to that artist. Now,
(03:34):
it's funny nature of me because you're covering things and
it's wild.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
I think I know the answer to this, but it
would be nice if somebody did know. How did I
I know? I know it was my idea to do
it but I don't remember asking Dad or Bill or
Bober or whoever was in charge at the moment. I
don't remember us learning it.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I remember go.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Ahead, a little context. A little context was this family
was crazy over the film, Oliver. I mean we were
crazy over it. Okay, we just loved it and we
loved it.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
It was so fun.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
It was so fun. And like I say, we always
take on stuff we like. And oh, Oliver, let's do Oliver. Now,
Susan gonna pick up a pocket or two. Probably isn't
gonna fly, but this where where where is love? Because candidly,
Mark Lester, it sounded like a little girl.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
And then we found out, well.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
We'll last Mark about that. That's right, that will save
for the episode. So it fits Susan. Yeah, and you
know it fitter as a singer too, because you could
just watch Playboy after Dark and you can see the
look in little Susan's eyes. He was literally singing it
to Mark Lester himself.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Oh my god, if he ever hears this, yeah yeah, yeah.
He goes have a look at the podcast just to
get a vibe, and this is what he sees. And
we get a call and goes, I'm sorry, but Mark is.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
No longer available.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
To do it.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
But look, we have fun stories about Jack, and I
can't wait to ask him about Jack, right because we
thought our stories and I can't wait. I mean shit,
we only hung out with him for a couple of
few weeks.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, what if he thought Jack was a punk? Or Jack?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Were they buddies? Or was he a harass a bully
to him like he.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Was to right?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Or did you want to be Jack Wilde? Or did
you want to kill Jack Wilder?
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Can't wait, But before that, we have to talk to
Johnny Whittaker about every little boy can be President, can
be President, can be President of the United.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
He had a single, go google it.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
He had one too, called every little Boy can be
of the United States, United States, America, America, Land of
the Free.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, why do you see it?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's amazing As while he was playing Buffy on Family a.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Little bit after, I was a big fan of his
and her too, So I'm pretty excited.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
It's funny all these kids had songs and hit records,
and it's like it was a thing that I was
personally unaware of. I mean, look, Johnny Angel, Johnny Angel
reached me. But the rest of this stuff my dad.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
And but but I'm surprised you didn't get my dad
because Johnny Angel reached you because it was on the
on the radio.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Let me ask let me ask my brother Paul about this,
because we have Paul.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
You ever hip to this, not any of that, but
Johnny Angel, I mean that is that he's saying, Johnny,
that's being at.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
The boys club and hearing that song. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah. So for me, I watched Family Affair when we're
all coming up in the world at eight eighty eight,
I watched Santa Monica House and my Jody who is
Buffy and Jody and Jody a few years into the
show had his own single and he wears a little red,
white and blue.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Uncle Sam Hattus of Bugsier Man, go check out YouTube
just popping in.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
We have to we have to ask Johnny. We're gonna
say it, Johnny, Johnny, how many times? And who? How
many times did you get your cheeks pinched?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Ye?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Man?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, because he had that, I mean, he was that kid.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
He had the face. Here's what happened I think with
Johnny Whittaker and Paul Peter and Johnny Crawford. Yeah, they
had songs and they had voices and the little boys.
But we're preteen boys. Shelley Fabray came out with Johnny
Angel and like melted every one of us.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Hey, she melted me.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
That is a Johnny Angel. Johnny it's like trying to
get all the Angel. Bobby.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I tried to get my name changed. There was already
a Johnny in the family.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
You know what's interesting, Hey, Paul, that's a song Paul
and Paula to be Bobby's girl, Johnny Angel, Billy don't
be a hero missing now no verry song. I don't think, no,
don't hear.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Hey, guys, check it out. I've got a little something
for you.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I think SUSA is trying to play something music.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Are you not hearing you? Oh, I'm sorry a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
No, that was partitions that all right, we got it,
We we got it, all right, bim. You know, let
me let me say something about about zoom. Get your
act together when it comes to music and sing. Okay,
we've waited.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Long asny I agree.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It's it's you gotta be kidding. And they'll say, well,
you make the wrong microphone. We'll get a microphone in
your program.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Excuse me, we had the right microphone. It did not.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
That's right, all right, that's our beef for today. I
have one that's our.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Guests to come. But right now you have us.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, I'll fill the void. I got one beef since
we talked about a beef. So every time I'm on
the plane, you know, you want to read, and these
days you have every periodical in your palm, so you're
gonna scroll while you read. Kind of, we all do that.
What I don't like is the way they make you.
(09:52):
And they do it accidentally, and it isn't by accidentally
hit the ads and then you hit the ad. You
gotta stop. You got to come out of the ad.
You got to go back to the article you wanted
to read. And then you've got to go slower and
caproler and go. You know, you kept on, you got
to hit another AD, and then for a while that
wasn't bound enough. Now the ads filled the screen. You
(10:14):
got to hit an X up there. It's out of control,
and I'm done with it, agreed.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I agree with you, Bob, because today I had that
same problem and I kept looking for an X. This
AD had my whole frame and there was no X there.
I could not get away.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
And then sometimes you see a V and you think,
maybe that's the new X. You hit it at bhoom,
you're somewhere a whole new place.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, And I always wonder scientifically statistically, people I think
are like me and Paul where we go. I'm not
tolerating this. I haven't read the ad. I don't know
what the AD's for. I'm not going to buy the
product on a rival, so I don't know how much it.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Anyway, I thought that it started happening actually, so at
one point Google or who somebody was asking for everybody
to just pay a couple of dollars to you know,
facilitate whatever platform it was, you know. And I think
it was either Google or I mean it was somebody
(11:20):
big or Wikipedia. Maybe it was Wikipedia Wild, you know,
because there are people gathering information.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
All the time and stuff. But man, these ads are
out of control.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
And I think because I didn't pay it, I'm thinking, okay,
well then they're going to just nail me with all
these ads.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And also think it has something to do with cookies.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Cookies. Yeah, cookies are everywhere, and if you don't accept
your cookies are going to be in trouble.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, that's what they.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Always accept them. I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You do you accept the cookies.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
One day you're not supposed to accept the cookies, So
I don't know what to do anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Basically, what occurs if you do not accept the cookies?
You know, this cookie issue is ridiculous. I think it's fake.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I think they're collecting information through cookies because people like cookies.
It's a nice word. All right, the cookies go and
let's have the cookies. And then they get he has
to accept cookies. It's yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Well, and also the new page with the cookies thing,
because he used to go cookies, you know, we use
cookies to gather data and all this other stuff, and
it would say accept or not accept. Right now, the
non accept thing isn't even there anymore. It says, well,
look at your cookie profile, you know, instead of letting
and so when you go.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Down goo crazy, back to your cookie profile.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
No, And then like years later, if you keep your
device as long as me, years later, you get slowing down,
slowing down, You got a mess. You got to get
rid of your cookies. Okay, where are they? Yes anyway, yes,
and they listen to you now. And then they when
(13:11):
you they read what you're writing. It's weird. I've said
things and then adds start.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Probably no, it's so sad, y'all. It's so said.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
But listen, I have a trivia questions and I think
you're going to be it's a cowcil song. Did I
dream this up? Or was this something? And okay, okay,
thank you. So I'm scrolling Molin the other day and
up pops the song.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Where your Mama Gone? Where's your mom? Ooh, chirchir cheap
cheap chair, cheap cheap chair. Now I've heard this song before.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
I think somebody said to me that that was a
potential cover for the cow Sills or.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Version of a Does anybody know this song or this?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
All I know is that it might have been something
back in the Diamies catdes Okay, I mean the early
don't put.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Your feet in the lemonade because you're running short of water?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Maybe that kind of thing chirping, yes, you know. Actually,
when I heard Little Anthony's song, if the rhythm triggered
in my head, why why is that familiar trip? What's
his song that he does?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Coco Coco pops, Chimmy, chimmy Choco.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Pop Shimmy, Coco Popple and then Cheap Yeah. Yeah, I
think it was something that not necessarily I think before already,
even way back way back, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Before would I have that retained somewhere? I just for
the song, and it triggered everything.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Well, here's the deal with Phillips Mercury. Look, Johnny Nash
knew what to do with us. It just didn't work out, Okay,
Phillips Mercury really didn't know what to do with us.
I mean, we got part party Girl, we got Siame's Cat,
we got most of them.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Sure, Cheap and party Girl sounds synonymous. How this makes sense?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Saying right?
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Most yeah, and most Peculiar Man.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And most peculiar Man. Now this is already teaching us
how to record. I mean, so what do you do?
You want to take a good song and you go
in and make a record of it. And he loved
Most Peculiar Man, okay, and loved the one.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Simon and Garfunkel, Yes, Simon and Garfunkel.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So that was just experimentation recording going into recording.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
This all makes this is pretty longlar.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Along with the Motown one, and uh could it be
let me know anyway, during those days. It was an
experimentation in the same way. The first songs we did
were Johnny Nash, Jimmy Reid, Big Boss Man, Bride, lights
Peak City. But then we're writing where the Beach Boys,
Where the Beatles with our own songs, you know, those
days of who Are You?
Speaker 5 (15:57):
It's so awesome though, you guys, I love a question
like this will spawn a conversation like this, and it
really talk about deep dive.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
They want us to do these songs, these deep cuts. Well,
how about this story that never ends. It's always got
another pocket of something that happened with somebody somewhere, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
But Susan, Yeah, oh Susan, where did you? But where
did you see or hear about this song?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Okay, So this song became a hit later in life,
like in the seventh early yep. I'll bring it up
and I'll freak out. And it was a chick and
I don't know the name of the band. There was
a woman singing it.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Where's your Mama Gone, Where's your mama gone, where's your
daddy go?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Where's your daddy go? And then they go ooh chu butcher,
but cheap cheap chair, betcher, But cheap, cheap chop. Okay,
just recorder. Where did you hear it on YouTube? Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You can too.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
And I knew that she was familiar in my head,
not what I'm looking at and not what's happening here.
Then I'm like, why do I think we were supposed
to cover this? Where does this song come in our life?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
We never did, but I know I just have a
memory of it. You know, some crazy songs were run.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
By us, So that makes sense, guys. I mean, these
songs live for Evar and people publishers send them around
decade after decade after day rights.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's not Johnny Nash who brought cooler, very cool songs
to us as we were writing them. Also suspicious about
Phillips Mercury because of Siamese Cat. If they thought that
was cute, I can see them really loving.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yes, yes, people.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Don't know what Siamese Cat is.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Ohil is the.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Result of this With most of all, it's a serious song,
a serious record. It's wonderful and it's almost a hit
for us. But John and Barrier in the group visually,
so you got the four brothers John Barrier like eight
and ten. So the higher ups are going, oh, how cute.
Look at these boys, looks so cute. Twenty boys, and
(18:07):
they did this Siamese Cat. Oh my god. Oh man
the one who he played most of all because he
thought it was pretty good. In Worcestern, Massachusetts. We were
at a radio station. They said, hey, this is good.
Let's flip it over. The guy flips it over.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
This is true.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
That guy flips it over. That Siamese cast lasted about
two lines when he had a bomb side effect and
he dropped the bomb on the wo.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Like the Gong Show.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, he dropped Yeah, thought it man, and we agreed,
you know, I mean, we're dead, so what do we care?
We're laughing. He dropped that bomb on Siamese Cat news.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
That's pretty great. I wonder who wrote Siamese Cat.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Just turn over most of all? And in my look,
most of all was written by U. D. E. Ll
Bludell maybe, but the guys may have written Siamese Cat too.
Who wrote most of all? I don't know? But anyway, Yeah,
those are fun days though. All experimentation Jodah, Johnny Nash,
Shelby Singleton already Cornfeld and then what are we going
(19:11):
to do? Yeah, we're looking for a sound or developing
it not looking.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
That was some funny, funny songs. The initial songs they
said were like what.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
It was crazy man that even with Johnny Nash, you
can't go halfway. You guys don't know this song, but
there's a line in a Duke of Duke of Soda Cracker,
if you want to have a smoke, you gotta half
to Bacca. You can't go halfway, you got to go
all the way.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I love and but but guys, the Johnny Nash, the
Jodah days, this is black New York years for us,
all of us. We were the only white people in
New York. It was just the writers were black. The
session musicians we played with on and off were black.
Everybody was but us. That was the experiment, that's what.
(19:59):
Because Bill sounded great singing motown.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
And you know what, guys, we got to give it
to Bud for going hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, this goes hell yeah by the box. But we're
not coming in with preconceived issues of the world. Yet,
we're not worldly at all. Okay, this is the coolest music,
and we know motown and they remind us of motown.
This is all motown. We're going to go this route
we're in, you know, it's like that, And then it didn't.
And then they tried to have us record the Great Songs,
(20:29):
but they went with Bill and Mine. All they really
want to be is me, and it's gonna flop and
that's going to be the end of the experiment. But
that's okay. We learned a lot.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Oh No, the camps we have been in is crazy camp,
good camps, lucky people.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
So we got what do we got coming up that
we need to.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
We are going at the end of September to New.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
The Yock, No York and to October.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Of October. I said that last night, October.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Thirtieth, we are at the Port Washington Library on Long Aveane, York.
We've been there once before.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
It was really fun.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It was kind of the beginning of Trio. Then we're
hitting Times Square for Halloween. So I think if.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
You're very sorry, but Barry got that gig the Iridium.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Huh, Barry Fish worked on the Iridium, and I think
in the lib and we're going to reschedule Suffolk out there, guys,
so we'll go on and uh the Avenel, New Jersey also,
and we love Avena. I'm going to do a little
promo interview next week for Avenel, and I've already done
(21:41):
one with Jim Monihan for Avenel. So we put out
a hey, let us know if we can promote these shows,
and we're hearing from people, so this is good and
thank you.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
You're always ready to help Yescaine Drain our album out
now before we say anything, we love on thefore.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
We had no idea Omnivore was going to basically empty
our vault. Okay, Omnivore didn't know we had a vault anyway.
But the latest, the latest, uh is the Cocaine Drain album.
That is we're very happy about it. We're not happy
with the cover. It's not black and white, it's gray.
I'll get over that, and I'm gonna stop complaining because
(22:21):
I sounded like a moaner and a groaner shiny black
and bright white and you know whatever on that very
nice to be right in front of Itore went back.
We did Rhythm of the World, then Global. Now we're
going to do a Cocaine Drain, a great re issue
(22:42):
by the way, they're so good at that and we right.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
But but it's interesting because Cocaine Drain was never out,
So how could it be a reissue?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Uh reissue from from I was bootlegging.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Our own right right.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Okay, guess what, here's the news flash to me. Guess who?
I sound like? Linda Ronstat's all over the internet.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
That's what everybody's saying about my boy.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Oh it's because I hadn't learned to sing yet, so
I sound.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Like that's funny everything, which is.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Why Shane Brendan, you guys, here's a funny story for
our castide Paul's little kids, his two sons. When we
were kids, you know, we were we were covering Ronstat
in our seventies set all the time, and they'd be
at our rehearsals and I do poor, poor pitiful me,
and I do You're no good, and I did all
the Linda's hits. And when we'd be in the car
(23:42):
riding around and it come on the radio, they go.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Oh, it's Auntie Susan. I was like, no, dude, that's
not on. Yeah, it's aunt Brendan. Really yeah, We're like, dude,
he was little.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, he was little.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
And Shane's like, no, she just sounds like.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Was but evidently evidently, I mean that was out of
the mouth of the babes.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
And now that's the kind of the synopsis of what
I'm up to age.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I know, so biggest. We want to say one more
thing about this if you don't mind a lot, ackle
is gone now. People love the crackle. We found this
demo of the Cocaine Drain album. When we put it out,
it had crackle all over the place, like you're playing
this old album. But that does not wear well, folks.
You love the retro feel of it and the retro
(24:31):
sound of crackle. But where's you down?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
It does?
Speaker 3 (24:35):
What song?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Amazing?
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Zoom damn zoom, dam doom, dam doom DM doom, don't
do which one is that?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I don't know what you're talking about? Time Global, I'm
on Global, Lloyd Michael Graves. What are you singing?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I want to do singing? You got no time? Oh
it's not on this record. It's a moot point because
I thought I heard a crackle in the front of
that one.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Really, that's a that's a that's a what is that thing?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I am? Oh, it's a mandolin opens up that I know.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
I was talking about that right right, But you're gonna
you've gotta admit then that it.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Is gone, the crackle is gone, and it sounds.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Almost like completed record machine crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I'm amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
They really are bonus tracks now the interesting thing. And
oh and by the way, congratulations to Dennis castanis the
one of the members of the band of the Cocaine
Drain band, just that it came out all these years later.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Able to say, hey, Auxiliary Council.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
It was great. And Barry was in that band. Well,
Barry was kind of part time. Barry was in the
band when he felt like it. Yeah, are many strange
encounters with our brother. Barry. Not up there. I'll play
with you so long as I can turn my back
to the audience and you Elvis, it wasn't quite that,
but it was right up there somehow. With that.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
I have a few pictures with his back to everyone.
It was either to be Barry Scott or Elvis Franklin.
He had two guys.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, I have visions of Paul Paul the Cocaine Drain album,
because you know, you never see you in the world, right,
I don't know whether I look like in the world,
but you all know what I look like. And all
I can see is you sitting in a chair with
Chuck Plock and always standing near you are over hovering.
(26:38):
I'll call it like a hovercraft. And in the great
classic tradition by the way of a great producer digging
bass parts out of you that only he knew were there,
trying to do and he's did it with me with
lead guitar parts and stuff. That's really good producers in
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their basic role do that. They know something's in there,
they can get it out. But God bless Chuck. He
was working with a bunch of hillbillies and rookies and
we didn't know what and I would look up and
what do you want? And you go, I want an intro.
It's like that kind of session back and forth, you know, hey, crazy.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Stuff, yeah, and don't come with it, don't have it.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
But the Cocaine drain the song man, I mean I
was doing it and I could see him right out
of my peripheral literally standing.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Like this and going, oh yeah here, you know, yeah
that song.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I don't recall him.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I recall him, you know, suggesting other things for other songs.
But but it wasn't like Cocaine draine.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
I mean he kind of let me alone at all
the other songs, but Cocaine Draine he had crazy enough,
he had a specific part.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
In his brain. He could sing it practically, he did.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I remember, we remember, I remember.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Cocaine Dream was the very first song that we and
we took into started and started pointing with it. Because
the guys in Loose Change, you know, Phil Solomon, the boys,
they they heard it and they said, you know, that's
that's really cool. That's a different for you. And of course,
of course it was different working that stuff out in earshot.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
That was a crazy time signature, Paul.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
It was aw I remember the day, I don't know
what happened. We were outside Clover and Jimmy walk Tell,
Wattie's brother for some reason either walked by or and
we saw it in the street and we went and
we dragged him into the side that himself. We sat
(28:56):
him at the at the console and he listened to
his your Love Alive. I'll never forget it, you know.
And and because he said, who did all the guitars?
And I got to say me and him being a
walk Tell, I got to say, me was like, yohope
did all the guitars? Why don't you'll be proud of me.
We had relationships back then in terms of who we uh.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Took up to admired.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, but Chuck, yeah, Chuck.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Chuck was not happy about it because we were We
just went crazy, you know, we did that tick we
do walking on the other side of Santa Monica and
man and we were working and we went.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Oh my god, there and so we all ran to
get him. And I remember Chuck just going like.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
This, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh god, not the dreaded
glass push up.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
That's a funny night podcast.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Oh I wish we could get him on. I don't
think it's possible, Chuck.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And possible that it's impossible forget too bad. What a
story that would have been that it would have been great
from Chucky's side.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Oh my god, Chucky Cheese.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
It's funny because we're gonna lose him because of Springsteen.
But here's the story that's out there. Okay, I read
it this way once well and Bruce and Chuck Hawkin
was working with the Costles, but he was he was
mixing uh darkness down. He was mixing darkness while he's working.
It's not that at all the reason we lost Chuck
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to Bruce Springsteen. Bruce Springsteen had traveled the country going
through engineers, declaring, nobody can mix darkness on the other town.
What am I going to do? The perfection is yes,
that's true. And finally he bumped into Chuck. I don't
know how he bumped into Chuck or how it happened,
but once Chuck mixed correctly to his satisfact darkness on
(30:53):
the other town, it was the end of the castles
and Chuck buckin. It was the end right there, because
you don't pass that up and Blake at all.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
No, you don't.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
You don't pass that up if your Chuck either.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Let me ask you this, guys.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Was there a room downstairs that Chuck used to run
up and down from besides the regular studio, Like I
just remember him going, now I got to go listen
to Bruce, and he'd run somewhere else and he'd go back.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Okay, he went somewhere else. You must have gone down,
oh ah, gold Star. Maybe I know he was in
a proximity where he would run out the door.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, maybe down the street.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah, and then run back and go, you guys, work
on this, you do this. I will be right back
I'm going to listen to him.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Crazy, yeah, crazy, but Charlie could mix it as Bruce
put it, so whatever on that and I caught him
all sack because Bruce, Bruce at the time really wasn't
the superstar Bruce. He really wasn't. Darkness on the edge
of town is going to start moving him that way
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Born in the USA is going to finish it. So
at the time, this is not the Bruce Springs seeing
you people know that's coming into Clover.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
It's got it all.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Can I tell a cute Bruce Springsteen's story that shows
this He's not the boss boss yet. So we spent
a lot of time at Clover and my friend was
was the receptionist, and Bruce always came up to see
Chuck all the time. And it was early in the morning,
and Bruce has a very formidable sized news so he's
(32:24):
coming up the stairs and Jan and I are sitting
at the desk and Bruce and I'm like, hey, Bruce,
and he goes, hey, girls, how's everybody this morning? And
he comes up to the desk and he'd just woken
up and he looked like a prize fighter, and he goes, hey,
let me ask you something. He goes, look at me
straight and tell me, for real, is my nose slant
to this side?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
He said, because sometimes I sleep on it and it
takes like an hour to come out, and I think
it no, And honest to god, I looked at it
and I'm like, so it's not normally bent left. He goes, Nope,
and I'm like, yes, it is bent. He goes, it
won't be in two hours from now. It's the damnedest thing.
And I went okay, and he left.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Well, when I met him, it was in the office
upstairs where we were. Yet he hadn't become in Chuck's office,
so not at the reception cop and he hadn't. Bruce
had not really become the quote unquote enemy, not that
he became the enemy, but he hadn't caused any trouble yet.
I think I still got a project. So I'm meeting
Bruce Springsteen. And the first thing was like, oh my god,
(33:28):
you're short. I almost said it. I think I couldn't
believe it, because you know, if you don't think about it,
as you learned about somebody, Bruce's every time I heard,
he's becoming bigger and bigger in my head bigger in
my head, bigger, bigger, bigger. Then I probably meet him
and go, holy Mack, well you're like little.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah for Bob, for you to say that to him,
it's like little.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
And then he starts, you know, this is when he's
going to give us Rendezvous, and he starts his little
thing about you know, yeah, working with Chuck and and uh,
but you know I got this song. I think you
guys should do it, and and it was Rendezvous. He
handed us Rendezvous. Yeah, we went in and recorded like
(34:16):
Rondevout by Bruce Springsteen.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
He wrote it.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
He said, you guys would down saying the lead.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
I understand. I'm just trying to retain the melody I
was just after I just did it. It's okay, I
got it. Rondez, It's cool.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I can't sing it for you. Rendezvous.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
I got it.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
That was asteen song. I didn't see.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I don't know. Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
The Pointer sisters did it as well.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Did they really? Ye? Are you thinking of fire? Because
I know they did Fire?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Why did we not? Why did we get Why did
we not end up doing Rendezvous? If we did Rendezvous?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
We recorded it because we were we were fishing for things.
Cocaine Dream was gonna die. This is rendezvous with with
you can't do that and not you can't do that.
You can't something that we did about four songs in
those sessions. Oh you can't change me, change me, change me,
(35:13):
those sessions. Okay, from there, we can't find the tape
and round peg from Jules. Yes, yeah, so we have.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
God, I really remember that stuff in cans.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
We can't find. I don't know how else to put it.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Oh, you're gonna find it. You're gonna find it once
you start going through stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah, once you start going through stuff. Yeah, I planned,
I'm I'm going to have to extricate from a garage
that has the one thing I do know that's in
my garage buried for years is the original It's a
track sheet for the Cocaine Drain album, a detailed track
sheet and the original lyrics of some Good Years where
(35:59):
it's singing about Kareem abdul Zubar. Yeah, that's in there.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
That's wild, and you know, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
It's because I know there's no need.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Man. You you're going to spend days days.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
And there's if you wait long enough there's an easy
way to extracreate, extricate complete like that. If you wait
long enough. You have to wait wave beyond your children
caring about any of it anymore. You got to go.
Then you can start easy, you know. Yeah, don't make
me do it. Don't die yet.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Go Well, so, you know, me and the way are
having new floors put in, and so there's a lot
of stuff we need to do. And I was I
was getting all of my stuff together and I came
across I mean, this was so deep.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I would have never seen this.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
But I had these papers, and I was going through
these papers, and I was going to throw them out,
you know, or do I keep them?
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Do I throw them out?
Speaker 4 (36:56):
And then I just turned this page and right there
is a forty five of the Christmas song, you know
that pretty cover the red and then the time has
come forty five was right there.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
That's the stuff you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, it was crazy looking.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
For That's great.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
That was great.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I have I have a dad, remember dad's okay, yeah,
digital something anyway, I have a dad of cocaine. Of cocaine.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
No, I don't have cocaine.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
How much was a dad? No? Kidding of an interview
we did at Rumbo with John's Martian character. We interviewed
sector nine. We interviewed Sector nine where you gave us
this history of what planet he came.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
It's I remember doing that. I remember us doing that.
That's the same week behind the scenes came down MBO.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
But yeah, but funny stuff. Yeah, we'll have to look
behind the music.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, yeah, Holy wely Bob, you're going to be out
of your brain.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Dude, Hey, thro throw it.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
You hear that Martian character of his? N I be low. No,
what does he say at the beginning of the Second
Bridge where we go running and running and run? You
think you hear a voice? And you do, and it's
Sector nine. It's him one the second Bridge? Really does it? Yeah?
(38:32):
How he did it? He did something? I love it.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I want to hear it.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Get it transferred, will you? I know you got all
the time in the world.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Hey, So the Trios, we are going to Tomball, Texas
for our Christmas show on December.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Fifty third return.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
We want to return to all these Wait do we
do that one? No?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I think we should?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
What?
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Oh yeah those thigh bells ringing and lovely that could
trigger that could trigger me it was my solo on
The Sullivan Show, and I.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Was, yeah, but that might be a reason to do it.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And while I'm singing, I'll never forget this. While I'm
singing on that SELVN just hear those, I'm nervous because
I can't remember what's coming, which is it'll nearly be
like a picture print of Currier and Ives. And I
can't come up with the line of your kitting. It'd
be like, and it's coming at me. Man, I did it,
but it's coming at me. But I'm if I could
(39:38):
zoom in on my face, that's probably frighten my eyes.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I'm gonna look, I'm gonna look.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I'm gonna know before it that's a very complicated part
of that Christmas song. And when it was a sign
to me, and it was I didn't raise my hand.
Uh oh the picture print of Curry and Ives.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Oh no, yeah, live also I stopping hang on.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I may have upped it in the rehearsal. I can't remember.
Something got me real nervous because we did. We did
have a run through. I remember that. Uh okay, so
cocaine drain is out. We're trying to be good business.
Uh uh. People people. And by the way, after Cocaine Drain,
you're probably going, what else could there be? But we
(40:28):
do have an acapella album coming out once we finished it.
We got three more to do and then they're Omnivores,
wheelhouses box sets. We do have our early recordings and
a lot of things we haven't found yet. Paul, what
are you showing us?
Speaker 1 (40:42):
What I'm showing you?
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Up to my dialogue with a visual audio people. Paul
has pulled up his forem arm.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
What has something purple on it?
Speaker 1 (40:53):
So I was I was climbing up a tree.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
I needed to plut some big limbs off of a
ponderosa because it was just out of control.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
And so I got up there and.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Then I kind of slipped, and so I scraped my arm, okay,
and and and all of a sudden, I went damn,
because I got these purple things because of this, just
the sliding across the bark.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Okay. And then I.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Made the cut, and then I realized that this branch
was kind of coming at me. So I took my
arm and I put it like that, and I put
it right into all of these purple things, and that
they all bleed bled And this guy here is very
deep and it just dug out.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
You better be careful with that, like you're putting stuff
on it.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
You know, it's looking great, it's looking much better.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Okay, that looks so cool. Hold that up for the people. Okay, guys,
it's on his form. It actually looks like he was
step down by a bear. Okay, he can change that
story easily. He looks like he was stepped down by
a wild animal.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah, put it down and get some paroxide on it
and some we did it.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
We did it. No, this is a week old.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Ah, you waited too long, like I do. Man.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
I woke up in the morning. I didn't even realize
that it happened. I just went to bed, you know,
and I woke up in the morning and looked at
my arm and it was just like why it was
gnarly looking.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
No, No, I happens, you know when you get old. Guys,
I gotta tell you now, this is a clean hen.
Everyone look at my hand.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Okay, see that very nice, bob.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
If you're my age and you even accidentally just tap something,
you're gonna get that.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
There you go, and what Paul has you're.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Gonna mark and you're gonna it's gonna take days to
go away. Paul's got one.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Can any of you scientifically explain what's occurring?
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yes, I can.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Please.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
It's called dying slowly, okay, Yes, the thinning of your arteries,
of your veins. Everything's gonna get thinner. Everything's that's what
this is all about. It's just another step towards it,
and we all know about it, and that's just something
you go through. Yeah, oh man, the baseball season, you guys, Hey,
(43:09):
big news for you sports fans, and if you're not
sports fans, this is good news. They are using the
automated strikes on starting next season. Yes, that's really today,
headline today. Now listen here it is, folks. Here's the
situation this year. Especially, the umpires in Major League Baseball
(43:29):
are failing. Okay, they're missing too many balls and strikes.
It's just statistically true. There's nothing is true about it.
We see it. What's more amazing is the hitters. We
see it because there's a square on our TV. But
what is more amazing to me is the hitter see it.
Now here's the deal. You can't kind of blame the umpires.
These pitchers are faster, bigger, everything's coming at upper nineties,
(43:51):
one hundred miles per hour, one hundred and two miles
an hour, and they're supposed to watch it zip over
a little you know, five inch you know diamond. So
it's a good thing. They've used it in the miners.
I've seen it at work. It's very quick. It's not
going to slow the game down. If the catcher says
it's a strike and the upsets is the ball, the
catcher is just gonna tap his head just like that
(44:12):
and they're going to check it. It's going to take
less than ten seconds. And if it's overruled, it's overruled.
But you've got to get those right. Too many, too
many are affecting innings.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Okay, so that's how they're doing it.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
That's wild doing it.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
And the hitter, if he questions it, tappy helmet goes through,
the reading goes through the thing. And that's how it's
going to be. And everyone's in the miners. It's not
what you think. And in the moners. I was watching
(44:46):
game one time in the miners because you can watch
minor League Triple A. That's why they put it into effect.
That's why it and it happened in front of me
and I didn't even notice it, and they reverse to
call he did it so fast, that's cool. It was done.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
They like it.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Whoa, we barely tapped it. But I'm just right there.
Or it may you may say something challenge. I don't know,
but they're gonna bring it in. It's gonna be great, and.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Yeah, I hope so, just so long as it's not
a commercial. You know, we go to a commercial while
we check out this call.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
No, no, it's instantaneous because it's during that bad Yeah. Yeah,
since you brought up commercials, Hey, I keep bringing up stuff,
but I gotta say one thing. I'm a Southwest flyer.
I know Southwest as good as you can know Southwest Airlines. Okay,
I am laughing out loud at their new TV commercials
(45:38):
as they try and show the joy that all of
us Southwest passengers now that we can pick our own
seat and get more leg room. Now you pick your
own seat because you have to. And as you go
up the plane like you Delta, people know you're America.
It gets more expensive, more expensive. Southwest is becoming that
next year two bags, you've got to pay for it.
They're in on all the money made but the hilarious
(46:01):
I get to pick my own seat. Now, this is
an airline where you can walk out to an empty
plane and pick any seat you want. Okay, you just
gotta see the manipulation of the mind by this company.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
This is really true. It's a bait and switch.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
It's so fun. We get and people are running in excitement.
We get to we get to pick our own seat
at Southwest. Oh wait, do you see it? Ware? Do
you see it's it's a propaganda.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
Well, and those people are the people that have low
bs and C coupons. Those are the people that are
probably going, oh, I can dig this.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Let me tell you something. You know it's gonna happen.
You're right, but it's gonna happen to me because I
refuse until I'm forced. I already know is I'll have
my first flight next year and I'm gonna sit in
the back of the plane because I'm gonna refuse to
pay the money. And all those seats are gonna be taken, yes,
and the next level is gonna be taken, and then
four dollars for more legs and it's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Man, Oh my god, I can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
We gotta go. Yeah, Hey, we're gonna have Buffy on
and not the not the Vampire Slayer.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
Okay, Jody, Jody, Jody, Jody, Jody, it's Jody, not Buffy.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Jody's a character, right, well, it's Buffy and Jody.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
They were twins of Uncle Bill, but Joy, Buffy's no
longer with us.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
This is Brian Keith Sebastian Cabot TV show.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Right, Yes, yes, and I know it and I love it.
And guess what, here's a little family trivia. No, she
doesn't deserve it. Jan We all know Jan.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
Jan was in an episode of Family Affair a very
where she was the child who had a latch key
and that Buffy and Jody made friends with.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
It was pretty funny. It's great. She was great in it.
I'll give her all that credit. All right, listen, people, next.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Tuesday, Now, next episode, we'll tell you more about the
gigs coming because they're kind of far away. Now after
tom Ball is nothing until fa Forbid. We take a break,
you know, but we like to do the promotions and
do our job. You know, the people I have received
from venues. There's nothing up on your website yet. You
(48:23):
might want to take care of that.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
The places we're going that reminded.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Me of the guy in the office. Yeah, you're gonna
I'm gonna meet you for the weekend. They're going to
know the office that.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
We've learned about the office this summer on our busy right,
all right, everyone, have a great week, have a great week.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
I see you.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
The holidays are coming. The holidays are soon to be
with us.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
They're already here.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Holday, okay, everybody, We hope you enjoyed visiting with us today.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
We definitely had a blast visiting with you. Don't forget.
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Speaker 3 (49:08):
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Speaker 4 (49:12):
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Speaker 1 (49:17):
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Speaker 3 (49:19):
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Speaker 1 (49:21):
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I saw I'm sitting in the rim. Hi, you're the Castles.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm Paul, I'm Bob.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
And I'm Susan Cowcill.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
And welcome, Welcome, one and all to the.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Concil Podcast, where we have fun, fun, fun, even when
we're being serious every.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Single week with our music stories and weekly special guests
from all walks of life.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
All of us can use a break sometimes take a breezer, right.
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Right right, Well, if that's true for you, then you
have a rived at the right place at the right time.
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So we want you to sit back, reading back and
escape with.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Us and to our world of harmony, laughter and tom foolery.
So let's get to it. Here's today's episode of the
Castle Past.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeahs, it is holding something up that says, come there,
we'll go.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I don't know whats on it. It's the thing from
Mike Kurtner. It's the Boz, the Base, the.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Bas Yes, a radio host on Calcil Chronicles nowety seven
point seventh the River. Download it every Sunday. Yeah yeah,
now I can see it real nice. Yeah, we got ours.
If you put it with the blue one, it's really
a nice uh nice little thing there.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
You have to be behind it or lose it.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yes, that's right of our Uh second, pretty groovy, man.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I will tell you some radio show. Yeah yeah, I
do want to mention something about that. And hopefully Mike's watching.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Hi Mike. I think Mike watches, so you go, Hi Mike.
But you know what we did, and I mean we
think it's just bitching.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Is we scrape that white off and and so it's
it's actually embossed the glass is you know, all of
that lettering is raised.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You know to do that though.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Louis had an idea and so yeah, so it's so
cool with the other blue thing and.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
We're gonna start picking away at it, go in the water.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, so I never thought to do that.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yes, it's very cool looking.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I don't know if I want that way, hold on,
let me see what I can do.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yes, Uh, we do not have a guest today. That's okay.
We all have one next week and.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Uh almost have Savannah.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
We already know who it is, Johnny Whittaker. So yes,
next week we're going to have Johnny Whittaker on. He
is off right now heading off to Ringos Stars All
Star Show, and it's good for him. We'll get a
report on that first.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
So aren't we going to be having Mark Lester in
the future.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Mark Lester is in the future. He is currently in
Italy and on his return from Italy, he's going to
let us know he's back and we'll get Marky boy on.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
That's going to be something I'm going to have to
be real cool.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I don't know. I wish we could set it up
where Susan could we could plague her way.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I wish we could love. Yeah, I wasn't flat.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
She did that on Playboy After Dark.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
You didn't sing it flat like you just Emily.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Oh, I think. I Well, it was only nineteen so
I probably was pretending it was flat. What is she doing?
But she loved Mark Lester. If you love an artist,
this is kind of strange. We love the Beatles well.
One of the things about loving an artist, if you
get to sing their song, or wear their song, or
learn their song, you've become closer to that artist. Now,
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it's funny nature of me because you're covering things and
it's wild.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
I think I know the answer to this, but it
would be nice if somebody did know. How did I
I know? I know it was my idea to do
it but I don't remember asking Dad or Bill or
Bober or whoever was in charge at the moment. I
don't remember us learning it.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I remember go.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Ahead, a little context. A little context was this family
was crazy over the film, Oliver. I mean we were
crazy over it. Okay, we just loved it and we
loved it.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
It was so fun.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
It was so fun. And like I say, we always
take on stuff we like. And oh, Oliver, let's do Oliver. Now,
Susan gonna pick up a pocket or two. Probably isn't
gonna fly, but this where where where is love? Because candidly,
Mark Lester, it sounded like a little girl.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
And then we found out, well.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
We'll last Mark about that. That's right, that will save
for the episode. So it fits Susan. Yeah, and you
know it fitter as a singer too, because you could
just watch Playboy after Dark and you can see the
look in little Susan's eyes. He was literally singing it
to Mark Lester himself.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Oh my god, if he ever hears this, yeah yeah, yeah.
He goes have a look at the podcast just to
get a vibe, and this is what he sees. And
we get a call and goes, I'm sorry, but Mark is.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
No longer available.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
To do it.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
But look, we have fun stories about Jack, and I
can't wait to ask him about Jack, right because we
thought our stories and I can't wait. I mean shit,
we only hung out with him for a couple of
few weeks.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, what if he thought Jack was a punk? Or Jack?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Were they buddies? Or was he a harass a bully
to him like he.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Was to right?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Or did you want to be Jack Wilde? Or did
you want to kill Jack Wilder?
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Can't wait, But before that, we have to talk to
Johnny Whittaker about every little boy can be President, can
be President, can be President of the United.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
He had a single, go google it.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
He had one too, called every little Boy can be
of the United States, United States, America, America, Land of
the Free.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, why do you see it?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's amazing As while he was playing Buffy on Family a.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Little bit after, I was a big fan of his
and her too, So I'm pretty excited.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
It's funny all these kids had songs and hit records,
and it's like it was a thing that I was
personally unaware of. I mean, look, Johnny Angel, Johnny Angel
reached me. But the rest of this stuff my dad.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
And but but I'm surprised you didn't get my dad
because Johnny Angel reached you because it was on the
on the radio.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Let me ask let me ask my brother Paul about this,
because we have Paul.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
You ever hip to this, not any of that, but
Johnny Angel, I mean that is that he's saying, Johnny,
that's being at.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
The boys club and hearing that song. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah. So for me, I watched Family Affair when we're
all coming up in the world at eight eighty eight,
I watched Santa Monica House and my Jody who is
Buffy and Jody and Jody a few years into the
show had his own single and he wears a little red,
white and blue.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Uncle Sam Hattus of Bugsier Man, go check out YouTube
just popping in.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
We have to we have to ask Johnny. We're gonna
say it, Johnny, Johnny, how many times? And who? How
many times did you get your cheeks pinched?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Ye?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Man?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, because he had that, I mean, he was that kid.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
He had the face. Here's what happened I think with
Johnny Whittaker and Paul Peter and Johnny Crawford. Yeah, they
had songs and they had voices and the little boys.
But we're preteen boys. Shelley Fabray came out with Johnny
Angel and like melted every one of us.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Hey, she melted me.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
That is a Johnny Angel. Johnny it's like trying to
get all the Angel. Bobby.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I tried to get my name changed. There was already
a Johnny in the family.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
You know what's interesting, Hey, Paul, that's a song Paul
and Paula to be Bobby's girl, Johnny Angel, Billy don't
be a hero missing now no verry song. I don't think, no,
don't hear.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Hey, guys, check it out. I've got a little something
for you.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I think SUSA is trying to play something music.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Are you not hearing you? Oh, I'm sorry a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
No, that was partitions that all right, we got it,
We we got it, all right, bim. You know, let
me let me say something about about zoom. Get your
act together when it comes to music and sing. Okay,
we've waited.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Long asny I agree.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It's it's you gotta be kidding. And they'll say, well,
you make the wrong microphone. We'll get a microphone in
your program.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Excuse me, we had the right microphone. It did not.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
That's right, all right, that's our beef for today. I
have one that's our.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Guests to come. But right now you have us.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, I'll fill the void. I got one beef since
we talked about a beef. So every time I'm on
the plane, you know, you want to read, and these
days you have every periodical in your palm, so you're
gonna scroll while you read. Kind of, we all do that.
What I don't like is the way they make you.
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And they do it accidentally, and it isn't by accidentally
hit the ads and then you hit the ad. You
gotta stop. You got to come out of the ad.
You got to go back to the article you wanted
to read. And then you've got to go slower and
caproler and go. You know, you kept on, you got
to hit another AD, and then for a while that
wasn't bound enough. Now the ads filled the screen. You
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got to hit an X up there. It's out of control,
and I'm done with it, agreed.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I agree with you, Bob, because today I had that
same problem and I kept looking for an X. This
AD had my whole frame and there was no X there.
I could not get away.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
And then sometimes you see a V and you think,
maybe that's the new X. You hit it at bhoom,
you're somewhere a whole new place.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, And I always wonder scientifically statistically, people I think
are like me and Paul where we go. I'm not
tolerating this. I haven't read the ad. I don't know
what the AD's for. I'm not going to buy the
product on a rival, so I don't know how much it.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Anyway, I thought that it started happening actually, so at
one point Google or who somebody was asking for everybody
to just pay a couple of dollars to you know,
facilitate whatever platform it was, you know. And I think
it was either Google or I mean it was somebody
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big or Wikipedia. Maybe it was Wikipedia Wild, you know,
because there are people gathering information.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
All the time and stuff. But man, these ads are
out of control.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
And I think because I didn't pay it, I'm thinking, okay,
well then they're going to just nail me with all
these ads.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And also think it has something to do with cookies.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Cookies. Yeah, cookies are everywhere, and if you don't accept
your cookies are going to be in trouble.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, that's what they.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Always accept them. I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You do you accept the cookies.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
One day you're not supposed to accept the cookies, So
I don't know what to do anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Basically, what occurs if you do not accept the cookies?
You know, this cookie issue is ridiculous. I think it's fake.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I think they're collecting information through cookies because people like cookies.
It's a nice word. All right, the cookies go and
let's have the cookies. And then they get he has
to accept cookies. It's yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Well, and also the new page with the cookies thing,
because he used to go cookies, you know, we use
cookies to gather data and all this other stuff, and
it would say accept or not accept. Right now, the
non accept thing isn't even there anymore. It says, well,
look at your cookie profile, you know, instead of letting
and so when you go.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Down goo crazy, back to your cookie profile.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
No, And then like years later, if you keep your
device as long as me, years later, you get slowing down,
slowing down, You got a mess. You got to get
rid of your cookies. Okay, where are they? Yes anyway, yes,
and they listen to you now. And then they when
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you they read what you're writing. It's weird. I've said
things and then adds start.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Probably no, it's so sad, y'all. It's so said.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
But listen, I have a trivia questions and I think
you're going to be it's a cowcil song. Did I
dream this up? Or was this something? And okay, okay,
thank you. So I'm scrolling Molin the other day and
up pops the song.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Where your Mama Gone? Where's your mom? Ooh, chirchir cheap
cheap chair, cheap cheap chair. Now I've heard this song before.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
I think somebody said to me that that was a
potential cover for the cow Sills or.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Version of a Does anybody know this song or this?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
All I know is that it might have been something
back in the Diamies catdes Okay, I mean the early
don't put.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Your feet in the lemonade because you're running short of water?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Maybe that kind of thing chirping, yes, you know. Actually,
when I heard Little Anthony's song, if the rhythm triggered
in my head, why why is that familiar trip? What's
his song that he does?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Coco Coco pops, Chimmy, chimmy Choco.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Pop Shimmy, Coco Popple and then Cheap Yeah. Yeah, I
think it was something that not necessarily I think before already,
even way back way back, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Before would I have that retained somewhere? I just for
the song, and it triggered everything.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Well, here's the deal with Phillips Mercury. Look, Johnny Nash
knew what to do with us. It just didn't work out, Okay,
Phillips Mercury really didn't know what to do with us.
I mean, we got part party Girl, we got Siame's Cat,
we got most of them.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Sure, Cheap and party Girl sounds synonymous. How this makes sense?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Saying right?
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Most yeah, and most Peculiar Man.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And most peculiar Man. Now this is already teaching us
how to record. I mean, so what do you do?
You want to take a good song and you go
in and make a record of it. And he loved
Most Peculiar Man, okay, and loved the one.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Simon and Garfunkel, Yes, Simon and Garfunkel.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So that was just experimentation recording going into recording.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
This all makes this is pretty longlar.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Along with the Motown one, and uh could it be
let me know anyway, during those days. It was an
experimentation in the same way. The first songs we did
were Johnny Nash, Jimmy Reid, Big Boss Man, Bride, lights
Peak City. But then we're writing where the Beach Boys,
Where the Beatles with our own songs, you know, those
days of who Are You?
Speaker 5 (15:57):
It's so awesome though, you guys, I love a question
like this will spawn a conversation like this, and it
really talk about deep dive.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
They want us to do these songs, these deep cuts. Well,
how about this story that never ends. It's always got
another pocket of something that happened with somebody somewhere, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
But Susan, Yeah, oh Susan, where did you? But where
did you see or hear about this song?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Okay, So this song became a hit later in life,
like in the seventh early yep. I'll bring it up
and I'll freak out. And it was a chick and
I don't know the name of the band. There was
a woman singing it.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Where's your Mama Gone, Where's your mama gone, where's your
daddy go?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Where's your daddy go? And then they go ooh chu butcher,
but cheap cheap chair, betcher, But cheap, cheap chop. Okay,
just recorder. Where did you hear it on YouTube? Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You can too.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
And I knew that she was familiar in my head,
not what I'm looking at and not what's happening here.
Then I'm like, why do I think we were supposed
to cover this? Where does this song come in our life?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
We never did, but I know I just have a
memory of it. You know, some crazy songs were run.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
By us, So that makes sense, guys. I mean, these
songs live for Evar and people publishers send them around
decade after decade after day rights.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's not Johnny Nash who brought cooler, very cool songs
to us as we were writing them. Also suspicious about
Phillips Mercury because of Siamese Cat. If they thought that
was cute, I can see them really loving.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yes, yes, people.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Don't know what Siamese Cat is.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Ohil is the.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Result of this With most of all, it's a serious song,
a serious record. It's wonderful and it's almost a hit
for us. But John and Barrier in the group visually,
so you got the four brothers John Barrier like eight
and ten. So the higher ups are going, oh, how cute.
Look at these boys, looks so cute. Twenty boys, and
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they did this Siamese Cat. Oh my god. Oh man
the one who he played most of all because he
thought it was pretty good. In Worcestern, Massachusetts. We were
at a radio station. They said, hey, this is good.
Let's flip it over. The guy flips it over.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
This is true.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
That guy flips it over. That Siamese cast lasted about
two lines when he had a bomb side effect and
he dropped the bomb on the wo.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Like the Gong Show.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, he dropped Yeah, thought it man, and we agreed,
you know, I mean, we're dead, so what do we care?
We're laughing. He dropped that bomb on Siamese Cat news.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
That's pretty great. I wonder who wrote Siamese Cat.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Just turn over most of all? And in my look,
most of all was written by U. D. E. Ll
Bludell maybe, but the guys may have written Siamese Cat too.
Who wrote most of all? I don't know? But anyway, Yeah,
those are fun days though. All experimentation Jodah, Johnny Nash,
Shelby Singleton already Cornfeld and then what are we going
(19:11):
to do? Yeah, we're looking for a sound or developing
it not looking.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
That was some funny, funny songs. The initial songs they
said were like what.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
It was crazy man that even with Johnny Nash, you
can't go halfway. You guys don't know this song, but
there's a line in a Duke of Duke of Soda Cracker,
if you want to have a smoke, you gotta half
to Bacca. You can't go halfway, you got to go
all the way.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I love and but but guys, the Johnny Nash, the
Jodah days, this is black New York years for us,
all of us. We were the only white people in
New York. It was just the writers were black. The
session musicians we played with on and off were black.
Everybody was but us. That was the experiment, that's what.
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Because Bill sounded great singing motown.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
And you know what, guys, we got to give it
to Bud for going hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, this goes hell yeah by the box. But we're
not coming in with preconceived issues of the world. Yet,
we're not worldly at all. Okay, this is the coolest music,
and we know motown and they remind us of motown.
This is all motown. We're going to go this route
we're in, you know, it's like that, And then it didn't.
And then they tried to have us record the Great Songs,
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but they went with Bill and Mine. All they really
want to be is me, and it's gonna flop and
that's going to be the end of the experiment. But
that's okay. We learned a lot.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Oh No, the camps we have been in is crazy camp,
good camps, lucky people.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
So we got what do we got coming up that
we need to.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
We are going at the end of September to New.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
The Yock, No York and to October.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Of October. I said that last night, October.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Thirtieth, we are at the Port Washington Library on Long Aveane, York.
We've been there once before.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
It was really fun.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It was kind of the beginning of Trio. Then we're
hitting Times Square for Halloween. So I think if.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
You're very sorry, but Barry got that gig the Iridium.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Huh, Barry Fish worked on the Iridium, and I think
in the lib and we're going to reschedule Suffolk out there, guys,
so we'll go on and uh the Avenel, New Jersey also,
and we love Avena. I'm going to do a little
promo interview next week for Avenel, and I've already done
(21:41):
one with Jim Monihan for Avenel. So we put out
a hey, let us know if we can promote these shows,
and we're hearing from people, so this is good and
thank you.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
You're always ready to help Yescaine Drain our album out
now before we say anything, we love on thefore.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
We had no idea Omnivore was going to basically empty
our vault. Okay, Omnivore didn't know we had a vault anyway.
But the latest, the latest, uh is the Cocaine Drain album.
That is we're very happy about it. We're not happy
with the cover. It's not black and white, it's gray.
I'll get over that, and I'm gonna stop complaining because
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I sounded like a moaner and a groaner shiny black
and bright white and you know whatever on that very
nice to be right in front of Itore went back.
We did Rhythm of the World, then Global. Now we're
going to do a Cocaine Drain, a great re issue
(22:42):
by the way, they're so good at that and we right.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
But but it's interesting because Cocaine Drain was never out,
So how could it be a reissue?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Uh reissue from from I was bootlegging.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Our own right right.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Okay, guess what, here's the news flash to me. Guess who?
I sound like? Linda Ronstat's all over the internet.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
That's what everybody's saying about my boy.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Oh it's because I hadn't learned to sing yet, so
I sound.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Like that's funny everything, which is.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Why Shane Brendan, you guys, here's a funny story for
our castide Paul's little kids, his two sons. When we
were kids, you know, we were we were covering Ronstat
in our seventies set all the time, and they'd be
at our rehearsals and I do poor, poor pitiful me,
and I do You're no good, and I did all
the Linda's hits. And when we'd be in the car
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riding around and it come on the radio, they go.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Oh, it's Auntie Susan. I was like, no, dude, that's
not on. Yeah, it's aunt Brendan. Really yeah, We're like, dude,
he was little.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, he was little.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
And Shane's like, no, she just sounds like.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Was but evidently evidently, I mean that was out of
the mouth of the babes.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
And now that's the kind of the synopsis of what
I'm up to age.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I know, so biggest. We want to say one more
thing about this if you don't mind a lot, ackle
is gone now. People love the crackle. We found this
demo of the Cocaine Drain album. When we put it out,
it had crackle all over the place, like you're playing
this old album. But that does not wear well, folks.
You love the retro feel of it and the retro
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sound of crackle. But where's you down?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
It does?
Speaker 3 (24:35):
What song?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Amazing?
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Zoom damn zoom, dam doom, dam doom DM doom, don't
do which one is that?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I don't know what you're talking about? Time Global, I'm
on Global, Lloyd Michael Graves. What are you singing?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I want to do singing? You got no time? Oh
it's not on this record. It's a moot point because
I thought I heard a crackle in the front of
that one.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Really, that's a that's a that's a what is that thing?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I am? Oh, it's a mandolin opens up that I know.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
I was talking about that right right, But you're gonna
you've gotta admit then that it.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Is gone, the crackle is gone, and it sounds.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Almost like completed record machine crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I'm amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
They really are bonus tracks now the interesting thing. And
oh and by the way, congratulations to Dennis castanis the
one of the members of the band of the Cocaine
Drain band, just that it came out all these years later.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Able to say, hey, Auxiliary Council.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
It was great. And Barry was in that band. Well,
Barry was kind of part time. Barry was in the
band when he felt like it. Yeah, are many strange
encounters with our brother. Barry. Not up there. I'll play
with you so long as I can turn my back
to the audience and you Elvis, it wasn't quite that,
but it was right up there somehow. With that.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
I have a few pictures with his back to everyone.
It was either to be Barry Scott or Elvis Franklin.
He had two guys.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, I have visions of Paul Paul the Cocaine Drain album,
because you know, you never see you in the world, right,
I don't know whether I look like in the world,
but you all know what I look like. And all
I can see is you sitting in a chair with
Chuck Plock and always standing near you are over hovering.
(26:38):
I'll call it like a hovercraft. And in the great
classic tradition by the way of a great producer digging
bass parts out of you that only he knew were there,
trying to do and he's did it with me with
lead guitar parts and stuff. That's really good producers in
(27:00):
their basic role do that. They know something's in there,
they can get it out. But God bless Chuck. He
was working with a bunch of hillbillies and rookies and
we didn't know what and I would look up and
what do you want? And you go, I want an intro.
It's like that kind of session back and forth, you know, hey, crazy.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Stuff, yeah, and don't come with it, don't have it.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
But the Cocaine drain the song man, I mean I
was doing it and I could see him right out
of my peripheral literally standing.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Like this and going, oh yeah here, you know, yeah
that song.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I don't recall him.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I recall him, you know, suggesting other things for other songs.
But but it wasn't like Cocaine draine.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
I mean he kind of let me alone at all
the other songs, but Cocaine Draine he had crazy enough,
he had a specific part.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
In his brain. He could sing it practically, he did.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I remember, we remember, I remember.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Cocaine Dream was the very first song that we and
we took into started and started pointing with it. Because
the guys in Loose Change, you know, Phil Solomon, the boys,
they they heard it and they said, you know, that's
that's really cool. That's a different for you. And of course,
of course it was different working that stuff out in earshot.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
That was a crazy time signature, Paul.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
It was aw I remember the day, I don't know
what happened. We were outside Clover and Jimmy walk Tell,
Wattie's brother for some reason either walked by or and
we saw it in the street and we went and
we dragged him into the side that himself. We sat
(28:56):
him at the at the console and he listened to
his your Love Alive. I'll never forget it, you know.
And and because he said, who did all the guitars?
And I got to say me and him being a
walk Tell, I got to say, me was like, yohope
did all the guitars? Why don't you'll be proud of me.
We had relationships back then in terms of who we uh.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Took up to admired.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, but Chuck, yeah, Chuck.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Chuck was not happy about it because we were We
just went crazy, you know, we did that tick we
do walking on the other side of Santa Monica and
man and we were working and we went.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Oh my god, there and so we all ran to
get him. And I remember Chuck just going like.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
This, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh god, not the dreaded
glass push up.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
That's a funny night podcast.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Oh I wish we could get him on. I don't
think it's possible, Chuck.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And possible that it's impossible forget too bad. What a
story that would have been that it would have been great
from Chucky's side.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Oh my god, Chucky Cheese.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
It's funny because we're gonna lose him because of Springsteen.
But here's the story that's out there. Okay, I read
it this way once well and Bruce and Chuck Hawkin
was working with the Costles, but he was he was
mixing uh darkness down. He was mixing darkness while he's working.
It's not that at all the reason we lost Chuck
(30:32):
to Bruce Springsteen. Bruce Springsteen had traveled the country going
through engineers, declaring, nobody can mix darkness on the other town.
What am I going to do? The perfection is yes,
that's true. And finally he bumped into Chuck. I don't
know how he bumped into Chuck or how it happened,
but once Chuck mixed correctly to his satisfact darkness on
(30:53):
the other town, it was the end of the castles
and Chuck buckin. It was the end right there, because
you don't pass that up and Blake at all.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
No, you don't.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
You don't pass that up if your Chuck either.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Let me ask you this, guys.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Was there a room downstairs that Chuck used to run
up and down from besides the regular studio, Like I
just remember him going, now I got to go listen
to Bruce, and he'd run somewhere else and he'd go back.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Okay, he went somewhere else. You must have gone down,
oh ah, gold Star. Maybe I know he was in
a proximity where he would run out the door.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, maybe down the street.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah, and then run back and go, you guys, work
on this, you do this. I will be right back
I'm going to listen to him.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Crazy, yeah, crazy, but Charlie could mix it as Bruce
put it, so whatever on that and I caught him
all sack because Bruce, Bruce at the time really wasn't
the superstar Bruce. He really wasn't. Darkness on the edge
of town is going to start moving him that way
(31:55):
Born in the USA is going to finish it. So
at the time, this is not the Bruce Springs seeing
you people know that's coming into Clover.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
It's got it all.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Can I tell a cute Bruce Springsteen's story that shows
this He's not the boss boss yet. So we spent
a lot of time at Clover and my friend was
was the receptionist, and Bruce always came up to see
Chuck all the time. And it was early in the morning,
and Bruce has a very formidable sized news so he's
(32:24):
coming up the stairs and Jan and I are sitting
at the desk and Bruce and I'm like, hey, Bruce,
and he goes, hey, girls, how's everybody this morning? And
he comes up to the desk and he'd just woken
up and he looked like a prize fighter, and he goes, hey,
let me ask you something. He goes, look at me
straight and tell me, for real, is my nose slant
to this side?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
He said, because sometimes I sleep on it and it
takes like an hour to come out, and I think
it no, And honest to god, I looked at it
and I'm like, so it's not normally bent left. He goes, Nope,
and I'm like, yes, it is bent. He goes, it
won't be in two hours from now. It's the damnedest thing.
And I went okay, and he left.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Well, when I met him, it was in the office
upstairs where we were. Yet he hadn't become in Chuck's office,
so not at the reception cop and he hadn't. Bruce
had not really become the quote unquote enemy, not that
he became the enemy, but he hadn't caused any trouble yet.
I think I still got a project. So I'm meeting
Bruce Springsteen. And the first thing was like, oh my god,
(33:28):
you're short. I almost said it. I think I couldn't
believe it, because you know, if you don't think about it,
as you learned about somebody, Bruce's every time I heard,
he's becoming bigger and bigger in my head bigger in
my head, bigger, bigger, bigger. Then I probably meet him
and go, holy Mack, well you're like little.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah for Bob, for you to say that to him,
it's like little.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
And then he starts, you know, this is when he's
going to give us Rendezvous, and he starts his little
thing about you know, yeah, working with Chuck and and uh,
but you know I got this song. I think you
guys should do it, and and it was Rendezvous. He
handed us Rendezvous. Yeah, we went in and recorded like
(34:16):
Rondevout by Bruce Springsteen.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
He wrote it.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
He said, you guys would down saying the lead.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
I understand. I'm just trying to retain the melody I
was just after I just did it. It's okay, I
got it. Rondez, It's cool.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I can't sing it for you. Rendezvous.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
I got it.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
That was asteen song. I didn't see.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I don't know. Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
The Pointer sisters did it as well.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Did they really? Ye? Are you thinking of fire? Because
I know they did Fire?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Why did we not? Why did we get Why did
we not end up doing Rendezvous? If we did Rendezvous?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
We recorded it because we were we were fishing for things.
Cocaine Dream was gonna die. This is rendezvous with with
you can't do that and not you can't do that.
You can't something that we did about four songs in
those sessions. Oh you can't change me, change me, change me,
(35:13):
those sessions. Okay, from there, we can't find the tape
and round peg from Jules. Yes, yeah, so we have.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
God, I really remember that stuff in cans.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
We can't find. I don't know how else to put it.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Oh, you're gonna find it. You're gonna find it once
you start going through stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah, once you start going through stuff. Yeah, I planned,
I'm I'm going to have to extricate from a garage
that has the one thing I do know that's in
my garage buried for years is the original It's a
track sheet for the Cocaine Drain album, a detailed track
sheet and the original lyrics of some Good Years where
(35:59):
it's singing about Kareem abdul Zubar. Yeah, that's in there.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
That's wild, and you know, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
It's because I know there's no need.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Man. You you're going to spend days days.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
And there's if you wait long enough there's an easy
way to extracreate, extricate complete like that. If you wait
long enough. You have to wait wave beyond your children
caring about any of it anymore. You got to go.
Then you can start easy, you know. Yeah, don't make
me do it. Don't die yet.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Go Well, so, you know, me and the way are
having new floors put in, and so there's a lot
of stuff we need to do. And I was I
was getting all of my stuff together and I came
across I mean, this was so deep.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I would have never seen this.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
But I had these papers, and I was going through
these papers, and I was going to throw them out,
you know, or do I keep them?
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Do I throw them out?
Speaker 4 (36:56):
And then I just turned this page and right there
is a forty five of the Christmas song, you know
that pretty cover the red and then the time has
come forty five was right there.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
That's the stuff you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, it was crazy looking.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
For That's great.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
That was great.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I have I have a dad, remember dad's okay, yeah,
digital something anyway, I have a dad of cocaine. Of cocaine.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
No, I don't have cocaine.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
How much was a dad? No? Kidding of an interview
we did at Rumbo with John's Martian character. We interviewed
sector nine. We interviewed Sector nine where you gave us
this history of what planet he came.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
It's I remember doing that. I remember us doing that.
That's the same week behind the scenes came down MBO.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
But yeah, but funny stuff. Yeah, we'll have to look
behind the music.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, yeah, Holy wely Bob, you're going to be out
of your brain.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Dude, Hey, thro throw it.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
You hear that Martian character of his? N I be low. No,
what does he say at the beginning of the Second
Bridge where we go running and running and run? You
think you hear a voice? And you do, and it's
Sector nine. It's him one the second Bridge? Really does it? Yeah?
(38:32):
How he did it? He did something? I love it.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I want to hear it.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Get it transferred, will you? I know you got all
the time in the world.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Hey, So the Trios, we are going to Tomball, Texas
for our Christmas show on December.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Fifty third return.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
We want to return to all these Wait do we
do that one? No?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I think we should?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
What?
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Oh yeah those thigh bells ringing and lovely that could
trigger that could trigger me it was my solo on
The Sullivan Show, and I.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Was, yeah, but that might be a reason to do it.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And while I'm singing, I'll never forget this. While I'm
singing on that SELVN just hear those, I'm nervous because
I can't remember what's coming, which is it'll nearly be
like a picture print of Currier and Ives. And I
can't come up with the line of your kitting. It'd
be like, and it's coming at me. Man, I did it,
but it's coming at me. But I'm if I could
(39:38):
zoom in on my face, that's probably frighten my eyes.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I'm gonna look, I'm gonna look.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I'm gonna know before it that's a very complicated part
of that Christmas song. And when it was a sign
to me, and it was I didn't raise my hand.
Uh oh the picture print of Curry and Ives.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Oh no, yeah, live also I stopping hang on.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I may have upped it in the rehearsal. I can't remember.
Something got me real nervous because we did. We did
have a run through. I remember that. Uh okay, so
cocaine drain is out. We're trying to be good business.
Uh uh. People people. And by the way, after Cocaine Drain,
you're probably going, what else could there be? But we
(40:28):
do have an acapella album coming out once we finished it.
We got three more to do and then they're Omnivores,
wheelhouses box sets. We do have our early recordings and
a lot of things we haven't found yet. Paul, what
are you showing us?
Speaker 1 (40:42):
What I'm showing you?
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Up to my dialogue with a visual audio people. Paul
has pulled up his forem arm.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
What has something purple on it?
Speaker 1 (40:53):
So I was I was climbing up a tree.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
I needed to plut some big limbs off of a
ponderosa because it was just out of control.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
And so I got up there and.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Then I kind of slipped, and so I scraped my arm, okay,
and and and all of a sudden, I went damn,
because I got these purple things because of this, just
the sliding across the bark.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Okay. And then I.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Made the cut, and then I realized that this branch
was kind of coming at me. So I took my
arm and I put it like that, and I put
it right into all of these purple things, and that
they all bleed bled And this guy here is very
deep and it just dug out.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
You better be careful with that, like you're putting stuff
on it.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
You know, it's looking great, it's looking much better.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Okay, that looks so cool. Hold that up for the people. Okay, guys,
it's on his form. It actually looks like he was
step down by a bear. Okay, he can change that
story easily. He looks like he was stepped down by
a wild animal.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah, put it down and get some paroxide on it
and some we did it.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
We did it. No, this is a week old.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Ah, you waited too long, like I do. Man.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
I woke up in the morning. I didn't even realize
that it happened. I just went to bed, you know,
and I woke up in the morning and looked at
my arm and it was just like why it was
gnarly looking.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
No, No, I happens, you know when you get old. Guys,
I gotta tell you now, this is a clean hen.
Everyone look at my hand.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Okay, see that very nice, bob.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
If you're my age and you even accidentally just tap something,
you're gonna get that.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
There you go, and what Paul has you're.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Gonna mark and you're gonna it's gonna take days to
go away. Paul's got one.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Can any of you scientifically explain what's occurring?
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yes, I can.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Please.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
It's called dying slowly, okay, Yes, the thinning of your arteries,
of your veins. Everything's gonna get thinner. Everything's that's what
this is all about. It's just another step towards it,
and we all know about it, and that's just something
you go through. Yeah, oh man, the baseball season, you guys, Hey,
(43:09):
big news for you sports fans, and if you're not
sports fans, this is good news. They are using the
automated strikes on starting next season. Yes, that's really today,
headline today. Now listen here it is, folks. Here's the
situation this year. Especially, the umpires in Major League Baseball
(43:29):
are failing. Okay, they're missing too many balls and strikes.
It's just statistically true. There's nothing is true about it.
We see it. What's more amazing is the hitters. We
see it because there's a square on our TV. But
what is more amazing to me is the hitter see it.
Now here's the deal. You can't kind of blame the umpires.
These pitchers are faster, bigger, everything's coming at upper nineties,
(43:51):
one hundred miles per hour, one hundred and two miles
an hour, and they're supposed to watch it zip over
a little you know, five inch you know diamond. So
it's a good thing. They've used it in the miners.
I've seen it at work. It's very quick. It's not
going to slow the game down. If the catcher says
it's a strike and the upsets is the ball, the
catcher is just gonna tap his head just like that
(44:12):
and they're going to check it. It's going to take
less than ten seconds. And if it's overruled, it's overruled.
But you've got to get those right. Too many, too
many are affecting innings.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Okay, so that's how they're doing it.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
That's wild doing it.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
And the hitter, if he questions it, tappy helmet goes through,
the reading goes through the thing. And that's how it's
going to be. And everyone's in the miners. It's not
what you think. And in the moners. I was watching
(44:46):
game one time in the miners because you can watch
minor League Triple A. That's why they put it into effect.
That's why it and it happened in front of me
and I didn't even notice it, and they reverse to
call he did it so fast, that's cool. It was done.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
They like it.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Whoa, we barely tapped it. But I'm just right there.
Or it may you may say something challenge. I don't know,
but they're gonna bring it in. It's gonna be great, and.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Yeah, I hope so, just so long as it's not
a commercial. You know, we go to a commercial while
we check out this call.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
No, no, it's instantaneous because it's during that bad Yeah. Yeah,
since you brought up commercials, Hey, I keep bringing up stuff,
but I gotta say one thing. I'm a Southwest flyer.
I know Southwest as good as you can know Southwest Airlines. Okay,
I am laughing out loud at their new TV commercials
(45:38):
as they try and show the joy that all of
us Southwest passengers now that we can pick our own
seat and get more leg room. Now you pick your
own seat because you have to. And as you go
up the plane like you Delta, people know you're America.
It gets more expensive, more expensive. Southwest is becoming that
next year two bags, you've got to pay for it.
They're in on all the money made but the hilarious
(46:01):
I get to pick my own seat. Now, this is
an airline where you can walk out to an empty
plane and pick any seat you want. Okay, you just
gotta see the manipulation of the mind by this company.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
This is really true. It's a bait and switch.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
It's so fun. We get and people are running in excitement.
We get to we get to pick our own seat
at Southwest. Oh wait, do you see it? Ware? Do
you see it's it's a propaganda.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
Well, and those people are the people that have low
bs and C coupons. Those are the people that are
probably going, oh, I can dig this.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Let me tell you something. You know it's gonna happen.
You're right, but it's gonna happen to me because I
refuse until I'm forced. I already know is I'll have
my first flight next year and I'm gonna sit in
the back of the plane because I'm gonna refuse to
pay the money. And all those seats are gonna be taken, yes,
and the next level is gonna be taken, and then
four dollars for more legs and it's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Man, Oh my god, I can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
We gotta go. Yeah, Hey, we're gonna have Buffy on
and not the not the Vampire Slayer.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
Okay, Jody, Jody, Jody, Jody, Jody, it's Jody, not Buffy.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Jody's a character, right, well, it's Buffy and Jody.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
They were twins of Uncle Bill, but Joy, Buffy's no
longer with us.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
This is Brian Keith Sebastian Cabot TV show.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Right, Yes, yes, and I know it and I love it.
And guess what, here's a little family trivia. No, she
doesn't deserve it. Jan We all know Jan.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
Jan was in an episode of Family Affair a very
where she was the child who had a latch key
and that Buffy and Jody made friends with.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
It was pretty funny. It's great. She was great in it.
I'll give her all that credit. All right, listen, people, next.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Tuesday, Now, next episode, we'll tell you more about the
gigs coming because they're kind of far away. Now after
tom Ball is nothing until fa Forbid. We take a break,
you know, but we like to do the promotions and
do our job. You know, the people I have received
from venues. There's nothing up on your website yet. You
(48:23):
might want to take care of that.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
The places we're going that reminded.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Me of the guy in the office. Yeah, you're gonna
I'm gonna meet you for the weekend. They're going to
know the office that.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
We've learned about the office this summer on our busy right,
all right, everyone, have a great week, have a great week.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
I see you.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
The holidays are coming. The holidays are soon to be
with us.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
They're already here.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Holday, okay, everybody, We hope you enjoyed visiting with us today.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
We definitely had a blast visiting with you. Don't forget.
Each episode of the Cowles podcast is available to download
on demand.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
So please subscribe and give us a rating thumbs up.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
You can also follow the Councils on Facebook and atcouncil
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Speaker 1 (49:17):
And of course we will see you in concert.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
And on the road.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Until then, let's stay in touch by tuning in each
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.