195: Let's Sit Down with Artie Kornfeld

We thought it would be fun to have another sit down with Artie Kornfeld who's way more than the Cowsills and way more than Woodstock. More guests coming enjoy!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
I saw him sitting in the room.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hi, We're the Castles.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
I'm Paul, I'm Bob, and I'm Susan Cowcill.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
And welcome, welcome, one and all to the.

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Calcil Podcast, where we have fun, fun, fun, even when
we're being serious.

Speaker 5 (00:21):
Every single week with our music stories and weekly special
guests from all walks of life.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
All of us can use a break sometimes take a breezer.

Speaker 5 (00:30):
Right right right, Well, if that's proove for you, then
you have a rived at the right place at the
right time.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
So we want you to sit back, reading back and escape.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
With us and to our world of harmony, laughter and
tom foolery.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
So let's get to it. Here's today's episode of the Castle.

Speaker 6 (00:51):
Yet.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
So I went in today, so I thought I was
getting another PSA yet again. And I didn't get another PSA.
I got a blood a blood draw. And the blood
draw was to look at all those weird abbreviations that
you see.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
There's like twenty of them or thirty, you know, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
And then it puts you in between, you know, the bracket,
and so everything on me was green bean, green green.
The only thing that was brown was the white blood count.
And so then I looked that up and so it's
supposed to not be higher than eleven and I'm eleven
point five. But the thing is is, and you guys
know this. I had that kind of whatever was lingering,

(01:31):
that honking it started with a honking cough.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
You came out so congested with a crud.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, yeah, what that is?

Speaker 5 (01:40):
And I think that's what it is. But anyway, but
tomorrow I have not the operation. I have the appointment
tomorrow to go over all these numbers. And the only
one bad is that, and so we'll know that tomorrow.
And the other thing is man So, Susan, I have snaked,
so everybody my kitchen has been blocked out up and

(02:01):
then I had to go away for like four or
five days and Louie's been working with pans and this
whole thing, and uh so I got home and then
uh and so today I got up and I get
got on it and got the snake, and I snaked
the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I think I got to find out how long that
snake is.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
And man, I snaked the whole thing and it was
coming back and forth with a lot of weird goo and.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
All that, and then when I put water in, it
seems to back up again. I mean this, I know.
I put this pipe in.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
It's going from here to a dry tank, a big, huge,
gigantic plastic tank that you cut your drill holes everywhere
in it, sure, and then you put that and then
you put rocks all around that, you know, and it's
all supposed to seep out.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
That's the way, great water.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Man?

Speaker 5 (02:47):
That does not add up what I got to find out.
I borrowed dean snake, and so I'm gonna find out
there if it was a twenty five foot you know,
because I'm right out.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
I want to say one thing before you do, Bob,
But look on your face and your pow. She reminded
me much of the Christmas we spent at Paul's when
I can't remember what happened. Your whole wells screwed up
and you and John were in it, digging involved. I
was standing around it looking at y'all, like can I
can I help in some way?

Speaker 1 (03:15):
You know?

Speaker 4 (03:16):
The funny thing I'm wondering, Paul, if all this problem
with your snake has driven your white coat up, well.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
It's funny.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
It's just so when you look at reasons for the
blood count being up reasons. There's one whole section about
anxiety and all that goes along with an emotional kind.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Of thing, like maybe five percent anxiety.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Dude.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
I mean, that was a pretty anxiety weekend all in all.
It's never it's never like palm. It's always like.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
I got you broke.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Anyway.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
But you know what I was thinking about. I'm sorry
to take off so much of your time, but I
was thinking about how yeah, about how cool it was
that the three of us. I mean, I felt like
Simon and Garfunkler. I felt like, you know, people trying
to make it in the big city. Because we were
literally outside that place on fifty third and Broadway, a

(04:15):
block from where we lived, and we were there waiting
for an uber. But but we were there and the
and the city was vibrant and it was happening, and
there were people everywhere, and you know, we came out
of a full house of our own at a ridium.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Eyeing our trade in twenty five.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
And there we were.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
I mean, it was truly and here we are waiting
to do the hard part of the whole gig and
that's everything else except the show, and you know, and
you just you walk into that and there we were,
and it would have been great to get a picture.
It was just like waiting for the freaking.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Uber, you know, your pictures of the three of you.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
The fund is over.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
Now we've got to get back into like the hell
hellish part of it all.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Going to the airport at three.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
What was great?

Speaker 4 (04:56):
It was Halloween night, Yeah, performing on Times Square. Basically, Okay,
we're buried in a basement somewhere, but so what less
Paul liked its ghost that's right. But what was cool
was when we came out late at night after our show.
The energy in the city was so positive and it

(05:17):
wasn't dark and dress, I mean, and you got the
kids doing their TikTok video. Oh yeah yeah, and this
is going on and that's going on, and it felt like,
you know, this feels like could say it's nice out here.
It was really a nice energy.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
It was it was it was energy. And thanks for
even like bringing it up, because I was in it
not thinking much other than what a nice night it
was and right for New York City and our hard
times we are yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
You get bills, bro.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
We want to tell all the Port Washington folks the
Aridius Fokes and the Avenel performing Arts, Uh theater folks,
How great it was to hook up like that. That's
a different, more intimate show that we love. The Q
and a's the questions are great. Yes, it's not a

(06:14):
bad question.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
You know.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
It's a different show. It's it's it's more of a
like a tangible like like even about it. Yeah, it's
a living thing. But even as you guys are sharing
some stuff that I've never even heard about what was
going on back then, And that's that's really that's cool.
And look, we've been here a long time. They've been

(06:37):
listening to our stuff and our story for EBBS, might
be nice to hear something a little different, you.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
Know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's an interesting thing. And
to you strip that band away from the vocals and
but even even on there's some climb and we can
fly when we hit that may and even I'm listening, going, oh,

(07:02):
those are interesting harmonies. I'm like, I'm in the middle
of it, right, but if yeah, yeah, I thought above
my head, I've that well, this is a very interesting harmony.
I'm singing here with these guys, I don't hear it
with the band.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
It promotes more awareness of what we're doing to a
point where even in a muscle memory, cellular way, whereupon
I've been playing an acoustic guitar for twenty years with
these songs and with a band, so I have my
nuances will alone, I'm like, well, my nuances aren't where

(07:35):
I need to play more. I need to do more.
I need to be better. And even moving around, even
though it's less moving, I'm breathing differently, so I'm coming
up short of breath like a dope on the things
I've been singing for fifty years. It's a challenge, but
it's kind of groovy.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
Yeah, like with the with the full band, you know,
I can't. I can honestly say I've never really thought.
I just assume or know that I'm singing well, and
I can usually feel that in me, you know. But
but and so now here we are doing this trio gig,
and just like the things that I really focus on,

(08:15):
our oo's all these different oohs.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
And you know, for granted, when.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Are we going up or were going down?

Speaker 5 (08:23):
You know, and usually just in the show Man with
the rock band, it's just like that, Wow.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
We're looking at each other, going are we hearing everybody.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
The full band is like a train wreck and yeah,
because you're just and you do your best.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
And controlled chaos. We know exactly where our train is.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Wrecking the train and the Christmas story there with Tom Hanks,
it's that train ride. It's like something expressed express train
ride out of control with the band now with the group,
though with the trio you got three four is ten
fingers between Susan and made twenty fingers and twelve strings.

(09:06):
Now that's a lot. We can make a lot of
sound with that, and we do. But like Susan says,
when you're doing the Trio show, you start digging down
inside yourself a little deeper than you normally would, yes,
setting because so then.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
You might miss a harmony you've been doing for so
long and now you're not.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
I don't even know.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
I kept not coming in on the front of week
and fly I have sang see how the fluffy clouds. Yes,
my whole life.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
But yes, I.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Didn't come in the right time one time in Trio
Land this week because I was pretty I was I
was doing the intro we're doing now I have to
concentrate on my intro on the guitar. Very interesting stuff. No,
but it's what happens. Yeah, yeah, and a challenge at
our age.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah. I just before I forget this, I did.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
I heard you know, songs from different places on this
week again, like the Avenel, I heard an Abel and
the song we Get There just man so full, and
it does sound like wow, you know, I'm listening and
then I'm looking to see, like who's doing all the
singing here?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
And it's just the three of us, but we are
doing well.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
We are doing because of that trio and how how
we've got to really be like you and me, Bob.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
God, what we were singing? I don't know the song.
Oh it's the love song, freaking love song. Okay, that
was it.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
And you know, like you know I'm coming in just raw,
you know, like you've been singing and now you're going
to go into the car. Yeah, and I know, Wow,
it's coming, it's coming, you know. And man, you can't
fit the thinnest piece of paper in between us being off.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I mean, we sing the same words together.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
And it's like, how are we doing it?

Speaker 1 (10:53):
And it's insane, it's insane.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
It's you go, look at those guys are really singing together.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Like for real, And then there was the whole Ira
visit and everything that was really cool. Our friend Ira,
we should have him on. He's a council historian. And
frankly it'd be like because the guy would take it
from the second we got him on until the second week.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah, you so, just so you know, Paul advances the
gigs we do. I do contracts immersed, Paul does advancing
and and and each has its own thing. So he
decided we have a good friend Iron from the old days.
And Paul says, hey, we're gonna have a hotel room
the first time hotel room the last night in between

(11:38):
gonna we're gonna be with Ira. And that's the last,
honestly that me and Susan heard. It truly is because Paul,
because we didn't ask we want, he want to work
on that. He advances. We know we're going to be
somewhere so now, but toward towards it's time to leave,
and you haven't heard much. You go, you know, we're
just gonna roll with whatever this is. And and uh,

(12:00):
I figured for the best I could do three months
on a bus and a berth man. Can I can
do anything? You know, honestly, Well, where we end up
is in a luxury condo right across the Hudson River
in New Jersey looking back at the Manhattan skyline on
the Wow, the thirty fifth floor of this beautiful tower

(12:22):
complex in Guttenberg, Jersey.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
The Galaxy.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
I'm going to do my best chair the Galaxy.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
And it all worked out. It was funny though I
was saying to I was, yeah, there it is. I'm
seeing it. I'm seeing it.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
The video crazy.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Out the window from our condo.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
This is a video of man in New Jersey.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
We're on Jersey side. We are on a Palis sade.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
If you will.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
This is the city shining across from a school.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Well, I didn't.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
I had no idea it was going to go as
well as that, did, you know. And it was funny
because I was asking Irony. He was going, well, maybe
we'll have to use some blow up beds, you know,
And I'm going blow up beds, and I'm going well,
and he's going well well, And so then I was
going to call him in a couple of days, you know,
keeping in real close contact with him as it was approaching.

(13:13):
And then one day I called and he goes, hey,
I've got a surprise.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
For you, you.

Speaker 5 (13:16):
Know, like that, and so and so then we talked
and talked and then he goes, yeah, and I go,
what's the surprise. He goes, well, the guy that had
we share a wall. That was his thing. We share
a wall. That's how close he is. I share a
wall with a guy who's never at his apartment, and
I kind of take care of it for him. And
I'm going to talk to Eric. His name's Eric, and

(13:37):
we'll see if we can't use that. And then and
then I talked to him the next day and he goes,
we got Eric's house. He goes, oh, you're not going
to believe it. And you know, and again I don't
know what kind of what his environment is that he's
ligit for so long.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, like we've heard a lot about the apartment, you know.
And then he's saying, well, Susan can sleep in.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
My bed, but it's going to have medicine balls and sledgehammers.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Russ Bob and I aren't saying anything because we're it's Ira.
We're going to sleep wherever the heck.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
We're going.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
To roll couches and it is gonna end up being
a couch situation. But this was elegant couching. Let me
tell you something.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Leather handmade in Italy, beautiful and really by elephants.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
And this galaxy was a very fascinating place, just self contained, great.
I was beautiful.

Speaker 5 (14:24):
Had a shopping center at the bottom of it for
all the people that live in the Five.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Towers doctor, hair dresser, manicure, spa, massages, Taylor.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
I mean a a diner and all sorts of food items.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Hey, should we tell him who's coming on any minute?
Because if he pops on, we're going to be hamaa hamada.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
Yeah, you guys, yesterday we we we've only repeated h
very few guests that we repeated and already we're gonna
have already Cornfield on today and this is going to
be Already's third He will be the only guests we'll
have had back three times, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Okay, So he's going to break.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
It's breaking the record today, and we'll let him know
he's breaking the record.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
If we don't, he's gonna let us know that he knows.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah, he's gonna let us know. Whatever. But here's the thing,
you guys, you know, we love our uncle Artie, and
we've known him all our lives, but we know him
as we know we know him about the councils. We
read all this magnificent, magical stuff that he's done, and
you know, we don't. I mean, what do we know?
So we start researching it sure to be golden, it's

(15:42):
all the truth. And so we said, uncle Artie, you
need to come on and give us some details about Blondie, Deborah,
Harry Early, Neil Young, what was the other one? We
were just.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
We're going to get right into it. This is going
to fantastic pla.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
I brought it up so.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
The audio people, the visual people can see that there
is a fourth zoom square is going to start and
now no one's in it yet, is ladies and gentlemen, Arthur,
Hi are Dad?

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah? Right?

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Kids?

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Going good? How are you?

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Artie? Goody?

Speaker 4 (16:36):
All right?

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Already?

Speaker 4 (16:37):
We wanted to visit you again. Thank you for coming.
And this is such a cool technology that we can
visit like this because no one's going to get on
a plane plane to Florida.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
And you know what, we we learned things in the
past month. I would say a whole lot of things
that we had no idea that you did.

Speaker 6 (17:00):
And I'm talking about you know Neil Young Okay, I
mean Blondie, Yeah, Blondie trapman.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
We found out like you like because we only know
you from our council world. We think you're famous because
of us. We know we know some things. We know
the stock thing, we know you and your you know
the pipe piper time with your band. But we did
some deep diving on you and we're like, this guy
started everybody. So we wanted you to come on and
tell us your stories about all these other folks.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
So when did you ever know me to run out
of words?

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Never? Adie ever, Artie.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Can I just say one thing? It's Bob here.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
In case you don't recognize him.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
I know well I look older now hey, but listen,
we know you don't run out of words. You are
the only person and we've been doing this podcast for
three years, you're the only one who has come back
a third time because you're first of all. The first
visit was this guy's way more than the cowcils. The

(18:10):
second visit, this guy's way more than Woodstock. Now we're
on the third visit.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
I mean, way more than everything.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
You're way more than everything. When we parted ways. You know,
we're gonna spend our next year is just surviving our
crazy father and the obstructionist that he was. And we're
gonna spend time doing that, and you're gonna go off
and do these amazing things that we don't even know about.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
I mean, we're gonna find out about now.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Well, I specifically have a question about Neil Young. I mean,
are you talking about everybody knows this is nowhere or
even before that? What Neil Young are you involved with?

Speaker 7 (18:54):
Well, it's started out when I ran Roulette Records, okay,
and I put Tommy Jane and Hanky Panky, even though
I hated the record, but I wanted to do a
favor of the Tommy and Neil.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
As a musician.

Speaker 7 (19:11):
I always thought Neil was way ahead. You know, he
was nine inch Nails before nine inch nails, right, And
Neil's is a brilliant man.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
And I love Neil. I loved his music.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
So how did you meet him? How did he come
into your meet him?

Speaker 1 (19:29):
He came, They came to me, okay, his manager and
Tracy Neil Neil and Elliott Roberts, his manager, were borders.
They never even had a contract for thirty years.

Speaker 7 (19:41):
Wow, they just flip between them and uh. Neil Elliott
called me up at home in LA and he asked
me to come over and he played me. He played
me Tracy Chapman Fast Card and it wasn't done. It
was a demo and I said, I like it, you know,

(20:02):
And I said, I don't promote records. I said, I
promoted Woodstock and all that, but I believe in telling
the truth. Anything I do is going to be the truth,
no matter what the repercussions are towards me or opposing
to me, because I'm not in competition with anybody, only myself,

(20:26):
and I keep losing.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
So Neil played me a.

Speaker 7 (20:33):
Couple of cuts off the Freedom album and I heard
Rocket in the Free World and Unknown Legend, and I said, Neil,
what do you need me for?

Speaker 1 (20:42):
He said, Ali.

Speaker 7 (20:43):
He said, I've put out fourteen albums and I don't
have one platinum record. And I said, well, if you
are in New York City, re building writer and not
a space down West Coast, get joints and let's get
oye and talk about it, then you know you can't
sell enough to be golden platinum unless you have two
hits on album. That's the rules, the formulas, the rule

(21:07):
in the industry. And you know that's why I used
to take a subway into the city, you know, to
learn to learn the business, to learn the music part.
Because you know I was a trumpet player. You don't
even know that, and I played. I played classical trumpet.
In fact, I watched the Channel Grit and every time

(21:31):
the Lone Ranger comes on, I sing the high trumpet part.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I thought you were going to say you played him.

Speaker 7 (21:39):
I was old North Carolina, first year solo when I
was in the tenth grade.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
So you could handle that, that's for sure played.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
So I played the way until overture.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
Alreadie. I also watched GRIT. I love the Channel Grit.
I love Technic Color. But listen, So back to Neil Young.
So now it says you're this independent record promoter. Does
that role even still exist? What did you do back then?
What does that mean that you had a big role

(22:13):
in making these things big hits? In what way?

Speaker 1 (22:16):
What did you do well?

Speaker 7 (22:17):
I helped Brag Carroll start the Rock of the eighties
at k Rock in LA because he was a good
friend of mine, and I didn't do promotion for anybody.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
The only thing I had promoted.

Speaker 7 (22:28):
Was Aerosmith because they were going under and the manager
asked me to help them with their Nightmare tour, and
I I listened to the Arrowsmiths and then I listened
to Neil, and I said, Neil, I got to think
about it, and then I thought about it, and I

(22:50):
saw another record that I had guitar on it, and
that could be a top ten record, and it was
I think it was unknown Legend put that out first.
They hold back Rocket in the free Room. Yeah, and
you know what, it's natural. I love Neil and I
love the music and it was honest. So I hired

(23:13):
the six top promotion guys in the country that were
friends of mine to work on Tracy and O'Neil, and
they both want.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
And what is working When you say work on Tracy
and Neil? What are they doing? Going down to radio
stations still like the old days, and.

Speaker 7 (23:35):
The people that I hired you can't hire. It's their
power that they have at radio. The one promotion guy
may control, may control a million dollars in advertising station
is going to get that year. So it's like, and
you know, obviously from watching you know that I never

(23:57):
did anything for the money.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
I did it to do it.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
You know, now, Artie, did you go in the studio
with Neil? Did you record with him? Or were you
just about getting him out where we could find him?

Speaker 7 (24:11):
No, Neil just I took the album home and I
listened to it and I said to Neil, okay, I'll
do it. And then they sent a letter to Warner Brothers,
a legal letter for Tracy Chapman and Neil saying Warner
Brothers is in no way to promote or market Tracy Chapman,

(24:33):
O'Neil young Artie Cornfel is the label. So Artie has
the last word or work. It's done, okay. And I
felt comfortable with it because I love Neil, and my
mother founded the Freedom Rids and that led to integration
FM radio, and so taking fast Car and breaking the

(24:54):
color barrier was very important to me because my mother
put the freedom rights together and that history wow.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
So uh. And then with Neil, it.

Speaker 7 (25:06):
Was it was natural because he had rocking in the
free world and ill putting that out. I told one
of brothers, I don't want to put that out, uh.
And I sat back and I thought it out, and
I sent them over to Berlin and he sang Rocket
in the Free World two days after the reckon was

(25:26):
going to come out, because that was that was it,
I mean, rocking in the Free World at the Berlin
Wall and it was coming down.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Oh wow, that that that.

Speaker 7 (25:35):
Made that a natural anthem already wow only that international.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
And and I love Neil's.

Speaker 7 (25:42):
Stuff, you know the stuff the stuff that came along
with me with Neil is I got to do three
Bridge concerts with Neil.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
It was fun that that is the concerts that Neil
puts on for his benefit.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
For it what is his?

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Uh? Is it autism? What is what is the cause?

Speaker 1 (26:00):
I never could quite get the course.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
I'm not sure either.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Okay, Well the kid, the kid was really messed up.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
Is that a barber show? What he does every year?

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah? It's called Bridge House made.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Okay, I don't.

Speaker 7 (26:13):
I don't know if I don't think Neil's doing another one,
not that I know of.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
I mean I did three.

Speaker 7 (26:19):
And as a music freak, I had a lot of
fun hanging out with Tom Petty, hanging out with Graham
Nash was a friend of mine since he was seventeen
years old. He said, I brought the Hollies to America.
Wait before wood start.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
We'll tell us about that.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
It was just wonderful. You know.

Speaker 7 (26:38):
The feeling at the Bridge concert was the feeling on
the field of would stop.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Oh yeah, it's just not as big, right, I mean,
that's that's pretty That's not a large space up there,
is it?

Speaker 1 (26:53):
No? But you know.

Speaker 7 (26:54):
What what was said Buffalo's Princefield said, there's something happening here.
What it is ain't exactly clear, you know.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah, And that's the name.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
And it was a.

Speaker 7 (27:11):
Threat against the powers of war taking over.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Now.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
I grew up with Paul Simon. He was a friend
of mine. Paul Simon said that when he was Tom
and Jerry in the song I believe there are lasers
in the jungle, Lasers and the jungle somewhere a close
affiliation of millionaires and billionaires. So Paul Simon was telling
us thirty years early what was coming on with lasers

(27:40):
and Paul.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, So I'm curious then if we may move on
to Miss Deborah Harry, how did you become involved with
Deborah and and what were you involved with and excuse me,
of course, I mean professionally, of course, Like how did
that all come about because I had no idea you
worked with her?

Speaker 7 (28:04):
Oh well, I was running rock and they came to
Capitol and I listened to the stuff and I decided
to sign him. I didn't have to get okay in
my contract with Capital.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
I had no oversight. I made a decision, and that's
what happened.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
To Capital.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
I signed the Wind in the Willows band that Dennie
was in.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Right right right, her first incarnate Xactarbelle.

Speaker 7 (28:36):
Was stacked with with doctors from UH from different organizations,
and professors of music at the University of North Carolina.
It was really it was really great musicians, and Debby
and I became friends.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
It's a good thing when THEO was around to keep
me grounded.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah, well, now did you spot in Deborah Harry did
once she's in this group that you signed. Did you
see in her? What's gonna happen? And she's gonna get
very big? Did you you know you're gotta you lost
track with her? Did she Ree's surfaces? Blondie? And then
you didn't know about that? And then you went, oh
my god, No.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
No, I knew, you know.

Speaker 7 (29:17):
I was backstage at Woodstock and Debbie wasn't even invited.
I met Divvy at the backstage and I gave her
a ticket and she came in. And I didn't see
Debbi for the whole three or four days a follow
I didn't see her at all, you know. And uh
I did see her afterwards because she had problems and
being a founder of Cocaine Anonymous, uh I was professional

(29:41):
at helping people get off drugs. And de Wi went
through her changes and I was happy. Not only that,
I also bought the box stops to private stock records.
So Larry Hotel, Yeah, well, Larry Utah was a friend.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Of mine, you know.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
And uh so you knew Bill Cunningham.

Speaker 7 (30:04):
Yeah, and Alex Chiltern, Yeah, No, I knew.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
No, I knew the people on the different level. I
knew Jerry Wexler, I knew Jack Goldsman, who owned the lecture. No,
I knew people on that level.

Speaker 7 (30:19):
Yeah, all the musicians. I knew all the musicians in
New York because Lardie Kapitol had just passed away. He
was our contractor. It was your contractor too, but believe
it or not, yeah, yeah, and he had so much
to do, you know, because I was writing with Jerry

(30:39):
Goten and Carol Ken, You know, it was just wonderful.
I was living in a dream world. My dream came true,
and the pressure was intense.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
It wasn't you know, looking from the outside, and you've
had a number of dreams come true, okay, and in
fact a lot more than most people get. You've experienced
so much it's just unbelievable to me. You seem to
know everybody. Everybody knows you. He's like a Kevin Bacon,

(31:10):
you know, Kevin Aready.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Cornfels degrees of already Cornfeld.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Right, degrease that already Cornfeld? Everybody everybody, Why aren't we
Why aren't we doing a movie about you?

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (31:27):
Well, people have talked, you know, people have talked, and
it's just laid there and it's.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Like, yeah, I mean, oh no.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
I was just happy. No, I was happy that it
actually came out. What happened? Had a Woodstock happen? It happened.

Speaker 7 (31:41):
You were in the place it happened, in my Den
on fifty sixth Street, and Linda saying, you know, just
the way Woodstock happened, and you know, Michael had the
least to do with it happening. And what happened is
when I said I wouldn't do a Woodstock two and three.
But this I would strictly be to make money, and

(32:03):
I didn't do Anil Young wrote and Rolling Stone he
said the reason w Stock two and three didn't happen.
And I'm not brandy now proud. He said the reason
was Stock two and three didn't happen. He's already corned
felt who did the entire promotion which he had never
done before, off the top of his head, and that's

(32:24):
why what stock happened, and already would never sell out
for money, and that was true.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 7 (32:31):
I wouldn't try to make money or for miracle, because
Wostock won was a miracle, right right.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Well yeah, but it did. It didn't make any money,
though I don't think maybe later it did, right.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (32:46):
I pay taxes on about twelve million dollars in my career.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
That's hard to.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Well, we didn't say you didn't spend the money with Already.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
You go twelve million in my career. That could be
split up between eighty five hundred famous people that he's
such in some way, yes, you know, in some way,
so Aretie, of all the people that you cross paths
with and inspired and worked with, and produced and promoted.

(33:21):
I mean, do you have a top A top three?
A top three of these were the best people I've
worked with ever.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
And don't put us at the top.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Oh I forgot about us. Take us off the list.
That doesn't count us. It's like we work for the company.
We don't get included.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yeah, we don't get included.

Speaker 7 (33:41):
The mystery guys that were in the sad business in
Rhode Island, the councils.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
That's okay, well, okay, we'll take one, but who else?
Who else?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Do you?

Speaker 7 (33:51):
That was funny because I didn't want to do the councils,
And then and then when they dropped you, just on
my own instinct and my own feelings of what's justice
or what isn't, I said, fuck it, I'm gonna leave
my job, and I retired and.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Helped support the ban until then we got to deal
with MGM.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Yes you did. Can I ask you a question about that?
Why was it? When we were at Mercury Phillips and
we were working with you a most peculiar man, you
know this and that, But but we had most of
all and for some reason, Shelby Singleton's name is everywhere?

(34:32):
Is that because his name was just contractually put on everything.

Speaker 7 (34:38):
Oh he was there, He was there, but he was
on the way out when I came in.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Oh, is that what happened?

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Okay, so he had already emptied his office and moved
to Nashville. Oh wow?

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Was I was Deborah Harriet? And was Neil Young? Were
they all after the costles?

Speaker 7 (35:00):
No, the castles were before, because the castles were Let's see,
when I was at Movement, I had Jackie Wilson, and
I had the castles, and then I went to Mercury
and I put out Wild Thing and I put a
walk Away Renee and that was the meantime. You know,

(35:21):
I had Mike pet artists also with Birth Summer, which
is another shame, just like you guys were because Berth
Summer got the only standing ovation at Woodstock, and I
got that from Michael Wadley.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Who I hired to do the editor.

Speaker 7 (35:36):
And Bert should have been in that movie because he
got the only true standing ovation. He also went to
high school at Birth Summer Unlesslie West and Mike Brown
from the Left Bank. You know what I was there.
Everybody was all excited because down here in Delray Beach.

(35:57):
The Vanilla Fudge were coming in and I cracked up
to this. I remember going to the during the America's
Cup going to see them opening for you. Yeah, and
that was a Vanilla Fudge opening for the Castles, and
they were wearing feathers and I said to I said,
to call my car on.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
What's with the feathers?

Speaker 7 (36:18):
I said, By the way, I'm not interested in doing
anything with you except being your friend.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Get rid of the feathers, I said, and change your name.

Speaker 7 (36:29):
And by the way, work on that Motown song set
me free, I said, because that's the only thing you played.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
It sounded like it could be a hit record to me,
and they did.

Speaker 7 (36:41):
To tell you the truth, Felix Popularity was a friend
of mine and he produced the Cream and he played
the bass on the Cream album and he was him
and his wife were good friends and Weather and mine
and yes, so that's a big reason why know, I
was never that fond of Lesley's music. Pert Smerways was

(37:04):
a genius and Mike Brown just the way he played
that piano on a grand piano, you know, he was.
He was just a genius kid, you know. And they
were they were Forrest, those kids, Forrestal's Queens and I
and I just found out the song I wrote quote
Vincenter's Blues got a million, a billion, a billion plays

(37:27):
on YouTube around the world. Wow, I better get I
better get I better get a lawyer and find out
who's getting paid.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
You better.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Let me tell you, you know what.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I never I never really was into suing people. I
never got sued. I never sued anybody.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Real party. You have never been sued, and you have
never sued anyone.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
No, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
I don't know if I have, but I know I have.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
I should tell you that The Brain in the Park
and other things has had it's thirty millionth listen on Spotify.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Wow, how about that thirty millions?

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Yeah you can. If you go to Spotify councils, it
shows you the number of times someone said, yeah, yeah,
the Rain of the parking other things. I mean, come on, Artie,
of all the songs you guys wrote, that has to
be the one that kind of defines an era, you
know what I mean? It stood the test of time.

(38:30):
It's not a period piece, but it is a period piece. Yeah,
it's amazing how that the shelf life of the Rain
in the park and other things. Is going to outlast
all of us.

Speaker 7 (38:44):
Yeah, And you know what's weird about it is I
knew the meaning of the song. People don't know the
meaning of that song.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Well, they didn't. In that song, I predict what'd start.
I predict Linda. I predict Linda's dead. I predict goal
she had left was one.

Speaker 7 (39:01):
Little flower and I had that was my daughter, you know,
and she went and then we came to the rain
in the park and other things.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
So we enery, I.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Guess I see that metaphorically traveling with you right.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Now, right now, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
So you write this song and we have a big
hit because some of this you're going to figure out later,
because you're not actively doing like Nasir Damas, you know,
stirring the stuff and coming up with this, but you're
figuring out after right. Well, that's that's no.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I have a psyche.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
I do.

Speaker 7 (39:36):
I have considered psychic by the International Bureau of Psychic Research.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
And I didn't know what that song.

Speaker 7 (39:42):
Me, just like I didn't even write dead Man's Curve
about a race between two cars. It's really about two
roads in the woods by Robert Frost that we have
to make a decision. And it wasn't even about a
car race. You know, she was psycho. You know, you're
right from somewhere.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Above amen to that.

Speaker 7 (40:03):
Yeah, you know, and you guys right, yeah, it comes
from a bunk. You should have done instead of going
to Ronnie Dante because he's not.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
As good as great. They should Oh you couldn't because.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Your father never ron Dante for anything.

Speaker 7 (40:18):
Yeah, because that's a pretty good track on We Can
Fly by the way.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Oh well, yes, that's Jimmy who did we Can Fly?

Speaker 4 (40:26):
I did it originally, yes, right, then it got replaced
with already srect already disrected his version. But that's when
they sat building me down to uh tell us that
you already you were fired and now we have to
do this on our own. No one told us anything.
They just did it, and then then we have to

(40:49):
recover from it and figure out how to you know,
get back on it.

Speaker 7 (40:54):
Well you know what, you guys, you know it was
Bud your father, Yeah, and Lenny Lenny, who was just
a rip off.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and I was more on your side.

Speaker 7 (41:07):
I was I was a I was a young musician,
you know, and I wanted the quality, and I really
pictured the Castles developing into on a level of the Beatles,
because the songs would say.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
You are George Martin, Yeah, you are George Martin. You
had we had You're George Martin, and then we had Brooks, Brooks,
Arthur and Jimmy was there. You put the whole team together,
we would have done amazing work.

Speaker 7 (41:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, no doubt. We had a great combination.
And yeah they messed it up, but not really because
you know, when I was asked to be the main
speaker at the Summer of Love, and I couldn't figure out,
why are they asking me to be the speaker at
the Summer of Love at San Francisco two one hundred

(41:57):
thousand people And they got there and then I found
out because it was about flowers, so they named it
you go into San Francisco with flowers in your hair.
And I loved the Flower Girl as the two theme
songs of the Summer of Love. And that's why they
invited me to say I could, I said, why they

(42:18):
invited me to San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Or some all of loved thing.

Speaker 7 (42:22):
And the weird thing is that you were a hundred
thousand people free.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Everything was free.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
And then two months later they had a woodstock and
they invited me back and they only got seventy two
thousand people.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
So I didn't cry. I was happy to be involved.

Speaker 7 (42:37):
Yeah, you have a.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
Question, Artie, Artie had so were you told that mom
was coming in the band?

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Did somebody tell you? And who might that have been?

Speaker 1 (42:49):
No?

Speaker 7 (42:49):
No, they talked to me and I said, that's crazy
because my image is to make them to make them known,
not because their mom is in the band or was
in the band, to make them know because they're great.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
So you were not a part of the mom and
the band?

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Who do you know?

Speaker 3 (43:09):
But Artie, do you know whose idea it was?

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Bud?

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Because everybody asks this question and we don't.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Know anyone It was Bud Castle's idea.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
We figured that him and Landy maybe uh.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Lenny could Lenny had had something to do with that, Artie.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
No, Bud, Bud was playing every string towards the middle.

Speaker 7 (43:38):
You know, not that I didn't love Bud, but.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
You know I didn't. I didn't hate Bud.

Speaker 7 (43:47):
I just put a lot into the cousules, like here's
of my life and all of a sudden, Brooks and
I cut three more cuts to go after the rain
in the park and you guys don't show up.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
And I know that story that I.

Speaker 7 (44:02):
Didn't even have a hint why you didn't show up,
because we had already cut, we could fly, you know,
the chests.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
The same thing happened to the same thing happened to
those guys on the other end. They came to work
one day and we're literally told you're gone and we're
starting over. The same thing happened the same way you
were handled. They were handled.

Speaker 7 (44:20):
Yeah, yeah, wow, Well you know what they were messing
with me.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
And I didn't go after you.

Speaker 7 (44:26):
I didn't stop radio from playing anything, you know, I
just wish for the best, and I.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Sat back and see where I went. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (44:33):
I think they BoNT me out for a quarter a
million dollars or something like that.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
So you got screened.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
If not, well, well you know what I had already.

Speaker 7 (44:44):
You know, I already had thirteen BMI awards before they rain.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
The park, and your Capital days are coming out you also,
But it was still a bummer because what happened on
our end, All of a sudden, you weren't there. It
was like somebody flipped a switch and Artie was gone.

Speaker 7 (45:05):
And you know when I found out when I went
in the studio and we sat there waiting for an hour,
and you guys never showed up. No one even called
to say there's trouble, the kids aren't going to be here.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Wasn't even told there.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (45:22):
And I would have to say, judging from the personalities,
who would have to go on your father?

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, all of it because he was a sailor. He
wasn't a music business gene.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
No.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
You know, we were talking with brooks Arthur about that
session where you were sitting waiting for us. He was
sitting with you, and he said that some guys came
in and took the tapes during that time, some big
guys came in and took the tapes, and we weren't
going to show up, and we weren't told anything. You know,

(46:00):
we didn't even know that we weren't showing up somewhere.
No one told us.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Well, you knew as much as I knew.

Speaker 7 (46:06):
Yes, I didn't know what he like. I was a producer.
I was the writer and the producer. I meanwhile, I
already cut tracks. Yeah, you guys don't show up. No,
it's no call, nothing, that's something that that's something that
that someone who's addicted to alcohol.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
I too, Yeah, amen to that too, because lord knows
he was fueled by it.

Speaker 7 (46:33):
Oh no, I know you guys had a liteh.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
I'm proud of what you've done.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Well.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
I was going to ask you so after that day
in the studio where you sat and waited and realize
we're not showing up. I mean, I know you didn't
blame us. I mean, we're the kids. What do we know?
And it was all going to go south and I'm
not going to see you again now after that, we're
going to continue down our road. Also, were you did

(47:07):
you follow us at all? Were you proud of us
when we had other hits later on? And uh, you
know care and Indian Lake and we can fly?

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Because I wouldn't. I wouldn't have taken you that way.

Speaker 7 (47:19):
My plan was to hit with a Happy Together, which
was around the Park, and it was going to be
so big that I can come with a week and fly.
That'll be so big it'll go top ten and then
we could put out whatever we wanted, just recorded great
and then all of a sudden, you'll be one of
the hot bands.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah, and the Beetles. That's what I told people. They're
going to go up to be the Beatles.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
That's pretty great. That's what they wanted. Alreadie, that's what
they wanted, right My mom and I the band did not.

Speaker 7 (47:51):
Say November November seventh, nineteen sixty seven, I turned down
the Monkeys.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Did you know I turned down the Monkeys? I did not.
I turned them down.

Speaker 7 (48:00):
I produced Davy Jones before the Monkeys, and I turned
down the Monkeys because I had you guys.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Wait a minute, already arety arty? So why couldn't you
have done both of us.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Well?

Speaker 7 (48:15):
Because I couldn't do that. You gotta to me, I
have to concentrate. You know, it's like the frong because
I had two lovers and they're not the same two.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Lovers, and I love it the same. No, no, no,
you gotta. If you're going to put your soul into something,
I don't know people that do that don't have a soul.
My soul says.

Speaker 7 (48:37):
You can't put everything you have into into two or
three things. Yeah, I mean, I did produce. I produced
the whole album with Debby Harriet took a year with
the Wind in the Willows. I put out Wild Thing
for Chip Taylor, who was the writer who wrote it
hus Brother by the Way, and he also wrote Angel

(48:59):
in the Morning.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
He was a good writer that one. Just remember I
came I came in from being a writer. I didn't
coming in politically, That's right. I had no political connections.
I know nobody already. Man, are you kidding?

Speaker 3 (49:20):
You know?

Speaker 4 (49:21):
I'm sure you've got a John Lennon a parting story.
I mean, you know everyone. You just seem to have
met everybody.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Have you met the Beatles?

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Of course I met the Beatles.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Tell me about meeting the Beatles, like.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Were you which one of two different stories? Out which one?

Speaker 7 (49:38):
Tell?

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Tell them? I don't know who you got.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
You want the pull of the John.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
I want the John first.

Speaker 7 (49:45):
Okay, John is I have a band in Florida, and
I bring him up to the record plan and then
the studio next to me is John and he's doing
the album after Imagine, Okay, And about two in the morning,
I was still doing cocaine.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Then I'm now sober over fifty.

Speaker 7 (50:03):
Years, but then I wasn't and I had some pharmaceutical
and it was two in the morning, and I worked
behind it because it was pure and I could deal
with it. And I said I got to I said,
I got to have a break. So I said, okay, everybody,
we're going to take a break. And I go in
the bathroom and I go to a urinal and I
put and I put four lines a cocaine now, and

(50:26):
I start them off, and then I feel something wet
going down my left led and I take a look
and as John Lennon said, on my shoulder, and I
never met John. I knew Paul, but I never met
John yet. And it was Paul. And I go, god,
fucking Paul the party, I said, And it was John

(50:47):
John Lennon. Was John Lennon right? And then John says
to me, he says, your wife Linda is wonderful. She's
been coming in, bringing bringing a cigarette scalvois from France
and over music.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
She know her and they love her, you know. And
I said, well, that's the way it is with her.
She's maagured and and and then he said, by the way,
you're already cornfall the writer.

Speaker 7 (51:11):
And I said, oh my god, John Lennon's calling me
the writer.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yes, while you're.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Looking at two lines of coke on the back of
a toilet.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
No, those lines were gone. Oh whatever they were supposed
to do.

Speaker 7 (51:27):
Something magic happened because John and I looked at each
other and connected immediately, and uh and then he uh
and he said, I'm sorry about your parents. He said,
I couldn't see a thing without Miss Specs and I
left Miss Specs in the studio and then and then
I said, and then he blew my mind. One of

(51:47):
my biggest compliments ever, because he said to me, you're
already Cornfell the writer. He says too late that I
was watching Top of the Pops and my friend Chrispy
and Saint Peter was on, and he was doing your
song the Five Piper, And the first record I ever
bought was your.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Song the Five Piper. Wow, well that's what I said.

Speaker 7 (52:08):
I said, Oh my god, John Lennard just told me
the only record he bought, the first record was my
song the Five Piper. I said, that's that's bizarre. And
then then I sat with him right until he got shot.
And he was in the studio and I was in
the next room. They had the two studios on the
fifth floor, so you know, so that was John. And

(52:31):
you know what, we never talked about woodstuff. We never
talked about the Beatles, we talked about space. They got
me into meditation when they got backed from India and.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
They got everything seemed like everybody was meditating.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (52:47):
Well, you know when they got back, they took me
over to the mahar Rishi's place and then I became
friends with the number.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
One Gurule in India.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Crazy.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
It was like the new Gandhi, the guy who just died,
Rabi Shankar.

Speaker 7 (53:01):
Yeah, well he was a personal friend of mine. It
wasn't like I followed him. It's like I did. And
it's like everything John said registered because his philosophy and
the way he looked at things was incredibly high. And
I I mean he was faced. I mean I above

(53:22):
the craft.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Understand Yeah, deep thinker, mister Lennon, All the artists you've
worked with, who's someone that you don't even think we
would know you worked with them, or anyone would know
you worked.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
With Ah Johnny Crawford, the Rifleman's son.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
All right, what wait?

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Were you instrumental with his hit record?

Speaker 7 (53:46):
No Me and John Me and Jan Berry from Jan
and Dean Ye wrote a song and I took Johnny
Crawford in and cut the top ten song with him.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Well, I think it was.

Speaker 7 (53:57):
It was cooled embarras to tell you was called Judy
loves Me, and you know it was Johnny Crook. I
had to gear myself down seven grades in school and uh,
you know, written on the backboard a first period class, written.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
On the sidewalker stores we passed.

Speaker 7 (54:17):
There's a letter in the school bress saying Judy loves me,
Judy loves me.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
And no one top ten?

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Well you up?

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Well, I you know I'm still a kid. Don't forget.
I was not that much older than you.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Well that I know.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
I have Johnny Crawford doing one of my songs and
I produced with you know, yes, yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
he left, he left.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Ju loves Me.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Found it? Wow. YouTube, Well, I don't know how to
work my YouTube. I have it, but I don't.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
It's groovy now.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
I like it a little bit, Johnny Crawford. I still
watch the Rifleman.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Are you kidding? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Who?

Speaker 7 (55:10):
Women took over the publisher really screwed up, because there
should have been an airline commercial if we could fight
all the.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Black boarded first period.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
I just heard, oh man, you are chock full of fun.
We're gonna let you go. We're gonna have you back again.
Maybe I should have our our monthly evening with Ardy
Cornfeld chat.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
I think it's a great idea.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Yeah, residency. It's incredible because we have John Lennon's Number
two story to get at. We got the Paul McCartney stories.
You know, we always have our old old questions from
the old days. Arty, we love you and uh, we
just do.

Speaker 7 (55:55):
How about when Linda knocked out Edgard Winter in the studio,
I mean there's a.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Linda knocking.

Speaker 7 (56:05):
I was in the studio of Brooks did Ganesee and
when I was seventeen talking about actually actually uh thought
it was Carol King.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
One of them.

Speaker 7 (56:20):
Oh yeah, Still Spector was going to do the Runecks
of New York and Carol King and I went a
vocal booth.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
We didn't know the mic was on.

Speaker 7 (56:28):
So they're doing the whole big Still Spector with strings
and horns and kazoos and everything, and they didn't know,
We didn't know the mic was on, so expected threw
us out. So thrown out of the studio. And the
first time I saw her, she she threw me out

(56:48):
of her house.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
I went to the.

Speaker 7 (56:57):
Well, I went to a way and I didn't even
I didn't even get in those days. I went to
la and I had one my gosh, and she invited
me over to I didn't like the Laurel Canyon scene.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
To me, it was bullshit. It was a clicky thing.
I didn't like.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
It was okay, good.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
You know, and dreda Ash is his friend of mine.
You know, I had friends in it.

Speaker 7 (57:15):
But you know Mark and Howie you know, but well
you know then because you learned too with them a lot.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Hey, yes, we'll do. Listen, guys, because we do have
to call this this podcast we have.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
You know, we lost some Mark right, you know that.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
You know Mark Vohman passed right, Alreadie, Oh, I know
about it all. Okay, well, but listen, we when we
come back, we're going to have We're gonna have a
residency with Artie Cornfeld. And when we come back, I
would like to hear his Howard, Howard Kaitlin Mark Vohman stories.

Speaker 7 (57:46):
Just can we remember the last time I saw them?
We went bowling in Studio City and I vowled. I
bowled in three games.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
I vowled to eighty two to fifty two and at
two sixteen. Then I never bowled again.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
We went out on top. LazyMan, you thank you for
visiting with.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Us on our guys, I don't know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (58:16):
I would go in and I would remix we Can
Fly and add something to it because it's a hit song.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Oh wow, let's go in and redo we Can Fly
and put it out.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (58:26):
You can do that idea day.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
You can do anything these days.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
That's right. Sweat did that with all of her songs.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
To get control about it.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Just put just put a little Memphis slide in there.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
And dude, whatever you're thinking. Wouldn't that be great to
get his final thoughts on what he started.

Speaker 7 (58:44):
Yeah, you have something that I could have. The Beaches
had it, and remember we were against the beaches and
they dropped off. They had the mining disaster. We not
in the car and then were knock the monkeys at
a number one. Yeah, you're ready, that's.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Right, that's right, All right, boys, I gotta go.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
I love y'all, see you later.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
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Speaker 5 (59:20):
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