In this episode of “Crime Wire Weekly, Kelly Jennings and Jim Chapman Discuss developments in the Sean Diddy Combs’ trial, Updates regarding the Menendez brothers’ parole eligibility, a Louisiana kidnapping, Jacqueline Ma's abuse sentencing, and a bizarre and tragic kangaroo encounter.
#kangaroo #louisiana #menendezbrothers #murdaugh #news #crime #podcast #crimewireweekly #Diddy
Chapters
02:12 Sean Combs Trial Details
07:00 Baby Possible Kidnapping Case in Louisiana
14:25 Alex Murdaugh Back In the News
18:44 Are the Menendez Brothers Eligible for Parole
25:50 California Teacher of the Year Sentenced for S%x Abuse
32:02 Fatal Kangaroo Encounter
36:50 Common Crimes for College Students
Kelly Jennings is host of “Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings” https://open.spotify.com/show/3n7BUzKRtMhAEuIuu7f031?si=c98fcf5b7e6848c8
Jim Chapman is host of “Exposed: Scandalous Files of the Elite” https://open.spotify.com/show/3ePQYSPp5oSPDeue8otH1n?si=39142df6e0ed4f77
Sources
Cassie Ventura Testimony Diddy Trial Louisiana
Attempted Kidnapping Case Murdaugh Clerk of Court Charged
Menendez Brothers get Parole Elgible
California ‘teacher of the year’ sexually assaulted elementary school boys. She gets 30-year term Man, 52, Dies with 'Multiple Blunt Force Injuries' After Suspected Animal Attack in Enclosure at S.C. Zoo
#kangaroo #louisiana #menendezbrothers #murdaugh #news #crime #podcast #crimewireweekly #Diddy
Chapters
02:12 Sean Combs Trial Details
07:00 Baby Possible Kidnapping Case in Louisiana
14:25 Alex Murdaugh Back In the News
18:44 Are the Menendez Brothers Eligible for Parole
25:50 California Teacher of the Year Sentenced for S%x Abuse
32:02 Fatal Kangaroo Encounter
36:50 Common Crimes for College Students
Kelly Jennings is host of “Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings” https://open.spotify.com/show/3n7BUzKRtMhAEuIuu7f031?si=c98fcf5b7e6848c8
Jim Chapman is host of “Exposed: Scandalous Files of the Elite” https://open.spotify.com/show/3ePQYSPp5oSPDeue8otH1n?si=39142df6e0ed4f77
Sources
Cassie Ventura Testimony Diddy Trial Louisiana
Attempted Kidnapping Case Murdaugh Clerk of Court Charged
Menendez Brothers get Parole Elgible
California ‘teacher of the year’ sexually assaulted elementary school boys. She gets 30-year term Man, 52, Dies with 'Multiple Blunt Force Injuries' After Suspected Animal Attack in Enclosure at S.C. Zoo
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
In New York, the trial of Sean Combs has started.
In the Star, witness Cassie Ventura has taken the stand
and we got the details. In California, the Menendez brothers
have been re sentenced, making them eligible for parole. Will
they get it? Kelly and I are going to discuss that.
And in Louisiana, a woman convicted of an attempted kidnapping
(00:34):
of a baby at a Baton Rage hospital has been sentenced.
We're bringing you that story plus more today on The
Crime Wire Weekly. I'm Jim Chapman and I'm Kelly Jennings.
What's up, Kelly, Jay?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I am happy. It's a we're recording this on a Friday.
And yeah, it's pretty weather. I just got my toenails painted.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I can't say the same. Well, mine are definitely unpainted.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Mine have flowers on them, right, and diamonds and diamonds.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Oh my gosh, extra baby, I gotta look good for
my baby. You are my husband, right, not Jim. Yeah,
let's clarify that he likes to look pretty.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
There you go, all right. So in the future, what
we're gonna do with this, We're gonna continue to drop
this on our individual feeds just until the first week
of Jane, first week of June. When that episode drops,
it's gonna be on its own individual feed, So we're
not gonna have it on the feed that you're getting
(01:36):
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and follow the show just like you do with our
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to clog our feed and bog it down with a
show that's completely different than what me and kJ normally do.
(01:59):
So we're just introducing it to our fans right now.
We're going to put it on its own feed and
it'll be its own individuals shit.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And we appreciate all the feedback so much, wonderful feedback,
both the best listeners, really.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
We really do. All Right, Well, let's get into the
world of crime, and I'll start us off in New
York and we're going to talk about the Seawing Combes trial,
which is luck you can't pull up Google without seeing
nineteen stories on the Shawan Combes trial. It is fully
(02:33):
underway in the last couple of days Cassie Ventura has
been on the stand. Now, Cassie Ventura, she is in
her third trimester of her pregnancy. As a matter of fact,
she's due like in a week and a half, so
she could have that baby at any time. Of course,
she's testifying in this trial under an extreme amount of pressure,
(02:54):
which can bring on a baby. So it was interesting,
Kelly that yesterday during her testimony in this trial, the
defense said, look, we're not exactly sure when we're going
to have her off the stand. And the judge said,
hold up, we've been talking about this for a month,
and he was he was pretty pissed, quite frankly, he said,
we've been discussing she was pregnant, and I told her
(03:17):
she was going to be out of here by midday Friday,
and I don't care what you have to do to
make that happen, but we're out of here by midday
on Friday with her.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I respect that too, because you know, having a baby
is not as simple as people I think believe it
to be. You know, having done it multiple times, she's
got a lot going on emotionally, physically, and then too,
you know, I'll say allegedly right now, but allegedly be
a victim of horrendous Well she was.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You know, videos are out there getting the crap beat
out of her, so a minimum, she's definitely a victim
of the.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Right, right, and then to be facing him in court
just feed away. I just think a lot of people
who can get on the stand who experienced horrific situations
and then just be feed away from the person who
did that, and then to just stand your ground and
and talk about it and not to mention the whole
world's watching this how humiliating.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Well it is. And you know, they shared a lot
of text back and forth between Sean Comb's and Cassie Ventura,
and a lot of these are you know, I'm not
out there and I can't see everybody's text, but when
you text your wife or something, sometimes those are very personal. Well,
(04:32):
this is you're talking years of text back and forth
between these two, some of them very graphic, that are
now being read out loud in open court to you know,
everybody in the world essentially. Yeah, So it's.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
It's brilliant just today, just putting yourself in someone's shoes,
the victims shoes. Just today, like I said, I was
at the nails line. I had a picture of what
I wanted painted, and I handed it to my girl
and she said, okay, can I take this to go
get your paint? Said sure, Well, I thought she meant
to turn around and just walk like right there to
grab some paint. But she walked away around a wall
with my phone. And the longer yeah, and the longer
(05:10):
I sat there, I was kind of like, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I don't have anything to hide, but I kind of
my children, my family, are you know?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
What do you?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I don't need you just gone with my phone.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I was like, excuse me, could you ask her to
bring my phone back? I'd like to have it.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And the girl turns around and she goes she doesn't
want you taking her phone.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I was like, oh shit.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
She brought it right back, and I was like, I'm
not doing to v ugly. I just that's you know,
your private Yeah, And I.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Mean, look, I've had people I'll take a picture of you.
I'm like, not with my phone, You're not. I mean,
I ain't gonna say I got anything on there to hide,
but I might, well, yeah I might. I don't know
what's twenty six years girl, I have something, don't be swiping.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Look anytime I hand my phone to people, they laugh
and I'll say, don't don't scroll.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, yeah, don't be scrolling all my ship.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I know I look like a psychopath because I have
pictures of my flowers in my yard. Then I'll have
pictures of crime scenes, and then it'll ship.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
To a Bible verse like hot ass mess is on
this phone.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
It's funny when you do what we do for a living,
of course, with Unspeakable, a true crime podcast by Kelly
Jennings and Exposed. Uh. When you do those things, you
google a lot of off the wall stuff. And the
reason you're doing that is you have to have your
research together to tell your story. But if somebody doesn't
know what you do and they get a hold to
(06:31):
your Google history, holy smokes, this person's psycho. Yeah, Google,
I research killers. I'm not one.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I researched something the other day that I thought, damn,
if someone ever gets the search history, this one's this
one's weird. But it was kind of like when someone
stabbed someone through a certain artery, what's typical bleedout time?
You know?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
And I was like, wow, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I'm telling you. I mean you just never know. So
the wrap that up the show on Combs Trial. They're
slating it to be anywhere between six and eight weeks total.
We are wrapping up week one as we record this today,
so they still got a long way to go, all right.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So a woman pleads guilty to charges related to attempted
kidnapping at a Baton Rouge hospital. And so the woman
was charged in connection with the attempted kidnapping of a
baby from our lady the Lake Children's Hospital, and she's
taken a plea deal avoiding jail time. Dynasty Selman pled
guilty to count two of unauthorized entry of a place
for business or a place of business. Under those circumstances,
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she is on active supervised probation for three years. In addition,
she's required to continue all of the following mental en
psych treatment, engage in treatment and therapy, stay away from
the hospital, effective decision making course, anger management, and fifty
hours of community service, as well as maintaining employment or
student status. Because in March of twenty twenty four, Selman,
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who was only twenty one years old at the time,
was facing charges of attempted kids napping and seven counts
of unauthorized entry of a business. According to baton Rouge's
police Selman cased our lady the Lake Children's Hospital for weeks.
Arrest documents reveal Selman fraudulently obtained a parent caregiver badge.
Investigators say that the card allowed her to access certain
floors and rooms of the hospital when she did not
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have a child. Court documents report that on February nineteenth
and twentieth of twenty twenty four, Selman was seen on
the hospital's security footage wearing a parent caregiver badge and
the surgery wing of the hospital, which has restricted access.
Jail records state the surgery wing is restricted to parents
or caregivers with children undergoing surgery, or guests of children
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undergoing surgery. Police confirmed none of those roles applied to Selman.
On the night of February twenty first, Selman allegedly rang
the doorbell of the Pickew after visiting hours and told
staff she was there to visit. The staff did not
recognize her as one of the patient's parents and explained
that visiting hours were over. The staff member reportedly recognized
Selman and saw her slowly walking past each patient's room
(08:59):
looking inside. The staff member told Selman that visiting hours
were over and escorted her out of the restricted area
and arrest report says that the next night, on February
twenty second, she again rang the doorbell of the PICW
and the same staff member granted her access to the
wing and immediately recognized her from the previous night. The
staff member asked her who she was there to visit,
(09:19):
and Selman said she was there visiting her nephew, but
could not provide a room number or name of the patient,
and was observed pretending to make a phone call and
then later walking off.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
And leaving the wing.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
While she was walking the floors of the hospital, she
was able to find a room with a baby where
the parents weren't present. So this baby is laying there,
I guess I'll say unattended. I mean, I know the
hospital's taking care of the child, but with no one
there to give that extra set of eyes. And it
was later learned that the baby was intensive care and
the parents didn't live in Baton Rouge. That puts a
(09:53):
fear in me that a stranger could just walk in
on my baby who's in intensive care. Oh my god,
an affidav it said February twenty ninth, Selman and her
boyfriend went into the room with a nine month old
patient that she did not know. Court documents say Selman
told her boyfriend that the patient was her child, making
him believe that he was the biological father. Police said
(10:13):
Selman learned the child's medical history by reading the charts,
so now she's taking taking hip hop protected information. On
March first, the boyfriend became suspicious of the baby when
he came to the hospital and saw the name on
the door didn't match the name that Selman gave him.
The boyfriend then told a family friend who's a nurse,
and that's when police said the hospital learned that there
(10:34):
was a security breach. Selman her boy boyfriend went back
to the hospital with his family, where they were confronted
by security. Selman was asked for her ID and was
asked to leave the hospital after they retrieved her access card.
More than two weeks later, she was arrested in Shreveport,
and authorities did confirm that the child was never taken
out of the room.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But it's kind of got to beg the question here.
You've searched it out.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
For weeks and then you look.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You find a young, young child too, not a not
a you know, a teenager or an older younger child
if that makes sense, A baby, well.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Either either way. I mean, even if it was an
older child. You can't make that shit up. She actually
went in the room and told her boyfriend that was
her baby and his and his if he didn't break
up with her, well, I mean that shit. You know,
I can't wrap my mind around being dumb enough that
(11:31):
my girlfriend, out of the clear blue sky says, oh,
I had a baby. I mean, how, how the hell
do you even wrap your head around what was going
on in both of their minds. I don't blame him,
and thank god he said something when he noticed the
name on the door was wrong, But dude, did you
buy that to begin with?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Well, this is this is where my thoughts go.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
This was probably not a legitimate boyfriend girlfriend as I
would assume boyfriend girlfriend goes.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Maybe this was.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Were of like a convenience type of situations.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So maybe they hung out together with no clothes, and
then they didn't see each other for a while, and
then she claimed she was pregnant had a baby, and
now they're rekindling. So I think I understand where the
judge went here that she didn't hurt Thank god, she
didn't hurt the child, she didn't actually physically remove the child.
I think this is beyond just being a weirdo. This
has got to be mental health related in some fashion
(12:26):
or form. Now, if it was my child, i'd be
losing my mind. So it's easy for me to sit
back and say, I understand where the judge was coming from.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Here.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Hopefully she'll get this mental health treatment. They will continue
to monitor. I hope that there's a follow up plan
here to monitor, a check back in procedure process, to
ensure that something's being done.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Because that's not normal. And the hospital.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Let me tell you, I was actually at this same
hospital in the last couple of years with the child,
and I arrived by ambulance with the child, and so
I didn't have my purse, I didn't have my ID,
I didn't have anything. But because I came in the ambulance,
obviously I was given access to what was going on. Well,
I left and went outside to take a breather and
(13:11):
just collect my thoughts, and when I went to go
come back in, they would not let me in because
I didn't have an ID, and I lost my mind.
Because I'm like, I arrived here an ambulance, What do
you want me to do? Pull a license out of
my ass? And I understood the security measure, I completely
for this type of reason. I understood the security measure.
But it does make you wonder. I mean, I couldn't
even get past the front door, and I arrived there
(13:32):
with the child, right and she but she did steal
a badge, I mean she did. This is beyond just
not being where you're supposed to be. This type of
person is scary to me. What was your long, long,
long term.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Goals hereid that that you know? And I don't know
that to be one hundred percent fact, but I have
a feeling that had it's given much noticed, the fact
that the name was different on the door, I think
at some point that was her plan. Why else would
you make up this story that is so ridiculously obvious.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, there's beyond me.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
There's some serious mental health issues here, and I would
feel obligated as a judge that I want to make
sure that you're getting some type of help here, because
if this ever escalated into something else, that's when children
are missing.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Right, And we can allow that.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I agree, Well, let's go to North Carolina rather South Carolina,
and we're going to take you to our old friend
Alec Murdall, or Elick as he's known by his friends.
He just can't get out of the news.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I did a thirty episode series on Murdall on Exposed
candalist files of the Elite, and I discussed the possibility
of this happening. It has happened. Becky Hill, who was
the clerk of court in the murder trial. She has
been arrested and then released from jail after posting bond
(15:06):
this past week following her arrest for alleged misconduct during
that trial. Now, the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, which
we all know has sled, on Wednesday afternoon announced that Hill,
who is fifty seven, has been charged with obstructing justice
and misconduct in Callington County and perjury in Richland County.
(15:29):
She received a thirty thousand dollars bond in Collington a
fifty thousand dollars bond in Richland. And these charges stem
from a January twenty twenty four hearing in the South
Carolina Supreme Court where Justice Jean Tull, a very well
respected justice in South Carolina, ruled that a new trial
(15:51):
was not necessary for Myrdal, who was convicted in the
June twenty twenty one murders of his wife, Maggie is
son Paul Mardall Heber requested a new hearing based on
allegations of journey tampering involving Becky Hill. So the long
in the short of this is charging documents stated that
(16:12):
when Tull asked Becky Hill, quote, did you allow anyone
from the press to view sealed exhibits? Hill responded no, ma'am,
which is apparently inconsistent with evidence. It has been attained
by sled Lewis and Hill said said Heill turned herself
in Wednesday during a hearing in Collington County and she
(16:36):
was booked into jail. She just got released. But here's
the question to all of that, Marta aus in jail
for the rest of his life. She is now charged
with obstructing justice and misconduct in this trial, which is
a pretty good argument that you didn't get a fair trial,
(16:56):
especially when someone is criminally charged. Gene told last year
that although she found that the Clerk court had committed
some infractions during that trial, it did not rise to
the extent that it would warrant a new trial. In
other words, she was saying, even considering all of this tampering,
(17:22):
it's still there's so much evidence here. It wouldn't have
changed the verdict. See what happens. And you know Murderal's
attorneys are pushing now for that to be looked at again.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
So hey, everyone, let me tell you about my good
friend Kelly. She's a proud Louisiana high school teacher from
right here in the Bayou State, and in twenty twenty two,
she launched Unspeakable, a true crime podcast by Kelly Jennings.
Armed with a master's degree in criminal justice, her vast
experience in law enforcement, and her sassy, fiery attitude, Unspeakable
(17:56):
has risen to one of the top true crime podcasts,
and I am proud to say she is one of
my dear friends. Kelly, sum up your podcast for me.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
On Unspeakable, I focus on the victims of the crimes
and not the perpetrator. I want to be the victim's voice.
That's why victims First is not just a slogan for me.
It's much more than that, and it's why I launch
the podcast. In every case I cover centers around that
belief the victims matter. I draw from nearly two decades
of experience in law enforcement to tell these stories. They
(18:26):
are real crimes with the real victims.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
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Speaker 2 (18:44):
So let's go to the Menindez brothers now and now
they're eligible for parole after serving more than thirty years
behind bars for the murder of their parents. So Eric
and Laile Menndez will be eligible to leave prison after
serving more than thirty years behind bars for the vicious
nineteen eighty nine shotgun slayings of their parents, a.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Los Angeles judge ruled.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
The judge reduced the sentences for the killer siblings, who
are now fifty four and fifty seven, respectively, from life
without parole to fifty years to life with the possibility
of parole. It would now be up to the California
Parole Board and Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom to decide if
the brothers deserve freedom after they gunned down their wealthy parents,
Jose and Kitty Menendez and their lavish Beverly Hills home
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on August twentieth of nineteen eighty nine, and at the
end of Tuesday's hearing, both brothers gave emotional accounts of
the murders, which they claimed came after years of sexual
abuse by Jose with Kitty's help.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Here's a quote.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
My choices that night robbed my parents of their full lives,
said Eric, who was only eighteen when he shot his parents.
I can only imagine the fear, the pain, and the
trauma it caused my family. His older brother echoed that
same sentiment. I committed an atrocious act against two people
who had the right to live my mom and dad,
Lyle said, appearing to fight tears back as he said it.
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I take full respec responsibility for my choices. I was
twenty one years old, and I believed I could fix
what could not be fixed. Lawyers cross examined several witnesses
at Tuesday's hearing, including family members and one former inmate,
who all insisted Lyle and Eric had learned the error
of their ways and had redeemed themselves in prison. The
brother's cousin, Anna Maria Barrault, said that the pair had
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been universally forgiven by everybody in our family, insisting that
they had been fully rehabilitated. I would welcome them into
my home with my family, she said. Barrault added that
should the brothers be granted parole, they planned to work
as advocates for victims of sexual abuse. Deputy District Attorney
Habib Balian argued that the brothers showed no insight to
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sticking to an absurd claim that they killed their parents
in self defense after years of sexual abuse, but their lawyer,
Mark Garrigos insisted the brothers have undergone full transformations. Garrigos
highlighted prison hospice and green space programs spearheaded by Eric
and Lyle, respectively. Rapper X rated fight about how the
brothers had acted as his mentor when he was jailed
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for murder and guided him through his own parole process,
helping him understand where and how he had gone wrong.
He colloquially referred to the brother's mentorship of other inmates
as Menendez University, but Bileon questioned Brown's remorse for his
own crime and joked that the only thing he learned
from the Menindez University was how to fool a parole board.
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In the end, Judge Michael just excided with Geragos, the
family members and the brothers themselves who delivered emotional statements
of remorse at the.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
End of the hearing.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Now their fate lies with the state Attorney General and Newsom.
The final hearing of that state parole Board has been
scheduled for June thirteenth.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
And if you recognize the name, Mark Geergos, course celebrity
attorney to the stars and his daughter is the one
of the attorneys on the Sean Combe's case. Not only that,
but Mark Gergoz is also an advisor. He's not an
official attorney, but an advisor to Sean Combe's team. Tells
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you how powerful he is in life. Okay, hey, in
this case, he's got these guys. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Okay, hey, A.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Lot of people don't agree with me, but I stand
on business on this one. I don't agree with that whatsoever.
I don't think just because time has gone by that
fixes what was done. I have followed this case extensively.
I've done an episode on this one, and there was
so much planning, preparation. They wanted them to die, they
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killed them, and I don't believe the older brother at
all that he was sexually abused, not at all, not
an ounce of it. Do I personally believe the younger brother.
I'm a little more inclined, just because of body language
and a whole lot of other things. I want to
go down the whole path here, but we'll say that
it didn't say you get parole. It said you're eligible
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for parole. And I've seen cases, because if you're not
familiar with me, I worked at Angola, and I've seen
cases of inmates that one hundred percent behind bars have
done amazing things. Okay, they are part of that hospice program,
they're part of these other programs that they put on
(23:10):
that look good and make the heart feel good. However,
those inmates aren't being given another chance. You know why,
because you should have a good heart to begin with,
and you get in these programs behind bars because you
get more freedoms. I just don't buy this whole thing
because I saw the crime scene photos, I saw the
planning and the preparation, and that's flat out cold blooded
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murder what happened.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And I don't think them an Indez brothers deny that.
I think what they deny or what they're saying is
they were molested and that's why they did it.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I don't believe Lyle.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, well, then that's a whole nother store.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
They went outside, reloaded their shotguns, and came back in,
and while their mother was crawling underneath the table, already wounded,
blew her away. Yeah, thirty five years means nothing to me.
And I'm glad your family has forgiven you because time
does aid in the grief process. But the accusation of
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the molestation was never a cold It was never like
a slam dunk that this happened.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
It was never a slam dunk.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It was an allegation that was brought up, just like
Casey Anthony brought up the allegation of sexual abuse she
walked and you know what all society knows about that.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, great, there's nothing about it. I think in that case,
just from what I can recall, there were allegations outside
of just the Menindez brothers with molestation with that.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Guy, which, hey, all of that may be true.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I'm not saying that that isn't true, but I'm saying
that these guys.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Were old enough to walk away.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
If your life was that bad, you're twenty fucking one
years old, walk out the door. But they wouldn't have
gotten the benefits kept that lifestyle when they when the
police showed up. And I'm getting a little impassioned here,
but when the police showed up after they blew two
people away with shotguns, all they really asked was can
we get our tennis rackets?
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Would have changed your opinion if there was one hundred
percent proof they were molested?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yes, okay, it would because then we have people acting
in a manner where there's a build up over time,
and then I understand explosive behavior. Now would I still
have convicted them of one, but deny the murder? Right,
the sentencing would have been different, not the conviction. Let
(25:41):
me say that, Hey, give us some feedback though, I mean,
maybe you do agree, maybe you disagree either way, that's
the that's the conversation. You know, where do we stand
on this?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
That's right? All right, We're gonna stay in California, I
guess for this one. And who I hate these stories.
A former sixth grade teacher has been sentenced to thirty
years to life in prison for sexually abusing two of
her young former students. Now her name is Jacqueline Ma
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and she was named one of the Teachers of the Year.
This was in twenty twenty two. She taught at what's
known as Lincoln Acres Elementary School in San Diego. She
pleaded guilty in February to two counts of forcible loot
acts on a child, one count of loot act on
a child, and one count of possessing child sexual abuse.
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So Ma, who is thirty six, was arrested after a
mother of one of her former students accused her of
sending inappropriate messages to her son. San Diego DA Summer
Stevens said in a statement quote, the defendant violated the
trust she had with her students in the most extreme
and traumatic way possible. Her victims will have to deal
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with a lifetime of negative effects and her thirty year
sentence as appropriate. DA stated in a press release that
Ma groomed one of her minor students for more than
a year before performing sexual acts on him at the
age of twelve. After the boy's parents didn't allow him
to have social media or electronics, Ma set up an
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unsanctioned after school program and directed him to communicate with
her through a school chat application. The sex abuse continued
in the classroom for three months while the boy's parents
were unaware. In twenty twenty, sexually assaulted another boy, who
was eleven at the time. She continued to groom both
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young boys with gifts, food, and special attention. She eventually
gained the trust of the parents with her reputation and
personal investment in their academic development. She began teaching at
Lincoln Acres High School. This was in twenty thirteen, and
she was actually named by the San Diego County Office
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of Education and as the Teacher of the Year in
twenty twenty two. And look, San Diego big school district there,
You're not talking about one or two three major schools
in that district. You're talking hundreds of schools in that district.
So a standout teacher from a respect level, it sounds like.
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Following her arrest in twenty twenty three, prosecutors alleged that
ma sent explicit images to the student and coerced him
to send explicit videos back. The judge said in court
before sentencing that the former teacher was protected from scrutiny
due to her status as that teacher. Of the year.
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Ma also addressed her crimes in court, saying, quote, I
disgraced the teaching profession, abused my authority, exerted my power
and control over them, and deceived them. I ripped away
their childhood. And the senacing comes after my pleaded guilty
to all of those allegations in February.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
And I I'm of the opinion that she did this
on purpose, okay, because if you have kids whose parents
are have taken away their electronics so the parents think
that they are controlling any type of social media or
online or content communication, now she's got a victim that
the parents aren't going to be checking up because they
think they've taken it.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
And you got to think devius.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
To catch Devius like this, then you're going to set
up that after school program, which by the way, it
does say is unsand you know was not allowed. Then
that's just a problem. And they're twelve, that's another thing.
Eleven twelve years old. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting. And I want
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to tell any parent out there about this. School districts
and I know the one that I work for specifically
has a policy in place that there is to be
zero communication between a teacher and a child through their
cell phone. It should always be going through a third
party that is a monitored communication, either website or.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
We used to have a thing called Remind.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
It's a remind app which parents can log into and
they can see you get parents access to it.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And in this case, she was using a school chat application.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Well that was flying under the radar.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, they just di can catch it. No one sits
there and reads them.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
No, I mean, but this is going to give us
the proof that we need, which is the point. But
I understand sometimes when the kids are older and they're
in high school, maybe the coaches will say we'll text
and say, hey, we're meeting here instead of the track,
you know, a group type message.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
But I would never be okay.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
With a one on one with a teacher or any
adult for that matter, texting my child that is young,
and it not be for legitimized purposes. You know. Even
whenever on school campus, if a male student came into
my classroom, they would shut the door, like if they
were going to make up a test, I'd say, go
open that door. Yeah, just because that's just the way
(30:55):
the world should work, I.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Agree, And that's sick in in this case. You see
this a lot, and I have a whole series called
Bad Teachers, and I cover these cases. It is an
absolute epidemic right now. But I'll say something about this.
This case is not the norm. This chick actually got
(31:17):
what she deserved. Thirty years to life. Yeah, most get probation.
And I'm not kidding you go listen to that series
if you don't believe me. Most of these female teachers
get very little time, a couple of years, a slap
on the wrist, because especially when it deals with high school,
which I suspect this kid was twelve in the sixth grade,
(31:40):
so it was probably viewed a little more serious. But
when you're talking ninth, tenth, eleventh grader grade boys and
it's a female teacher, an attractive teacher, in a lot
of cases it is not punished as it should. And
I think that's why it's such an epidemic.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
And that tearful apology if I was a child's parent
means nothing to me.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I agree, nothing.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Stay the hell away from the kids. Now, let me
tell you something else you ought to stay the hell
away from. And that's going to be a kangaroo all right,
cause we're going to South Carolina. The brother of a
South Carolina petting zoo owner was apparently beaten to death
by a kangaroo after possibly going into the aussy animal's
pen to quote unquote rough house with it.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Eric Slat's body was Sue Smart Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Eric Slat's body was discovered inside the facility just before
midnight on Friday night at five Star Farm near Loris,
about thirty miles north of Myrtle Beach. Slate, who was
fifty two, had a history of stepping into the kangaroo
enclosure and rough housing with it. The kangaroo was still
in its enclosure at the family owned farm when Slat's
body was found. The farm recently posted a picture of
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a large red kangaroo named mister Jack, adding he loves
next scratches and will take treats from your hands. It's
not clear which animal killed Slate, but he was found
with multiple blunt force injuries. Adult male red kangaroos can
weigh nearly two hundred pounds and grow up to five
foot eleven inches tall, with powerful feet for kicking. In
twenty twenty two, an elderly man was kicked by his
(33:09):
pet kangaroo in Western Australia, but that was believed to
be the first time arou killed a person in nearly
ninety years in the country. Five Star Farm offers an
interactive pettings do with exotic animals, including camels, wallabies, and kangaroos.
Owner Robert Slate Road on Facebook, please keep my family
in your thoughts in prayers. The kangaroo is not aggressive
and has not been euthanized cause, he added, it's not
(33:31):
an aggressive animal.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
It's very sad. It's not the animal's fault. He said.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Experts are coming in this week to ensure the enclosure
is safe and that the animal is okay. South Carolina
has some of the loosest restrictions in the US on
the ownership of exotic animals, and it is one of
only three states where kangaroo ownership isn't prohibited.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Wow, and let me tell you something. Kangaroos are no
freaking joke. Kangaroos are bowed up.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Man.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
You see some of them kangaroos and look I met.
We got a lot of awesy people that listen are
shows and they know this first hand. They got biceps
bigger than Mike Tayson and their abs.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I saw one head button and bumping into a mirror
and long claw.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yes, they will tear you up. I saw a video
on it might have been YouTube or something, but a
kangaroo had a.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Dog headlin the river or a lake or something.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
No, this was in a yard. He had the dog
in a headlock and he was basically beating that dog's ass,
and the homeowner went up and literally they went fisticuffs
right there, and the homeowner punched the room in the
face in the room hopped off.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
That's what I saw. But it was in a It
was trying to drown this.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Guy's dog in like a like a waterway, and he
squared up and he punched it and the kangaroo's flabbers
were gased. I mean, he was just flabbergas that the kangaroo.
He looked back at the man like, I know, you
didn't just punch my ass. But the dog ran off
and the man got out the water. But this is
this is the thing about animals that's a wild animal,
regardless of whether it's been domesticated or not.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
And that I am I just miss pick up wilder.
You would have a ruin a heartbeat.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Listen, But I would also not keep it as an adult,
I might save it, put a cast on its leg
and feed it a strawberry.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
But then you go, you going on your way.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
But I watched video of this man, and I'm sorry
that he's deceased, and that's terrible, but I watched it.
I watched some video of him going in the pen
and he liked he did, he liked kind of slap
in rough house with it to try to make it
kind of box back with him.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yeah, and I.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Probably am going to say that this animal was instigated.
And I think any gentle person, even you push him enough,
they're capable of fighting back.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
And I think that's just what happened here.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Horrible situation with that.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
It made me think they real quick about the you know,
the whole one ape versus one hundred men argument?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Have you seen that?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
So everyone's like, what would win one one gorilla or
versus one hundred men? And people are either saying the
gorilla or the men. And so I started thinking about
that here, and I'm like, if a kangaroo can kill
you in one powerful shred you.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
It'd grab you and with no effort rip your arm
off the shoulder.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
And the other ninety nine behind you.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah. I went to a zoo one time. They have
one in the Louisiana that you can actually get close
to the animals used to being laughy at. I don't
know if it's still open, But went to this zoo
and they had a silver back gorilla. And this silverback
gorilla would be like almost NICs to names. But it
was like is this legal? But it was cool. But
let me tell you that silverback gorilla was a monster.
(36:38):
And they are so powerful. It could grab me with
its finger. And I'm not a little guy. It could
rip my arm completely off in about two seconds.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
They're not to play with hands down.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
So some of them animals. It's graduation time, not just
for college though. High schools are graduating all over the country.
And if you're a mom or a dad and you're
graduating that high school senior right now, they're gonna some
of them are gonna be going off to college. Now.
There's some crimes that you may want to warn them
about in their college years. And I have the ten
(37:13):
most common crimes that college students are arrested for. And
so I'm gonna see if kJ how many of these
she can actually rattle off. And I'm gonna cross them
off as she does it. So give me the ten
most common student offenses that you can think of, all right.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I would start with minor and possession, under age drinking,
something like that, Okay, I would go trespassing.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I would say, probably some vandalism.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I don't know if drunk driving would would count there,
but I don't know if that's if that would be
necessarily a top one fighting.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
So assault outside the bars.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
M I would say, like drunken, disorderly type stuff I
would think would be on there live on campus.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I mean there's curfew.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
You've gotten four, right, See, disorderly conduct is number one.
Underage drinking is number two, possession of marijuana, oh yeah,
number three drag racing. They are the wealthiest among us
(38:21):
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All right, until next time, I am Jim Chapman. I'm
Kelly Jenny, and we still don't have a way that
we're going to close out this show yet. I'm trying
to think of something cute, so I'm just gonna say
thank you for listening to Crime Weekly. No, that was
In New York, the trial of Sean Combs has started.
In the Star, witness Cassie Ventura has taken the stand
and we got the details. In California, the Menendez brothers
have been re sentenced, making them eligible for parole. Will
they get it? Kelly and I are going to discuss that.
And in Louisiana, a woman convicted of an attempted kidnapping
(00:34):
of a baby at a Baton Rage hospital has been sentenced.
We're bringing you that story plus more today on The
Crime Wire Weekly. I'm Jim Chapman and I'm Kelly Jennings.
What's up, Kelly, Jay?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I am happy. It's a we're recording this on a Friday.
And yeah, it's pretty weather. I just got my toenails painted.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I can't say the same. Well, mine are definitely unpainted.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Mine have flowers on them, right, and diamonds and diamonds.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Oh my gosh, extra baby, I gotta look good for
my baby. You are my husband, right, not Jim. Yeah,
let's clarify that he likes to look pretty.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
There you go, all right. So in the future, what
we're gonna do with this, We're gonna continue to drop
this on our individual feeds just until the first week
of Jane, first week of June. When that episode drops,
it's gonna be on its own individual feed, So we're
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(01:36):
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and follow the show just like you do with our
individual shows. It's gonna be completely separate. We don't want
to clog our feed and bog it down with a
show that's completely different than what me and kJ normally do.
(01:59):
So we're just introducing it to our fans right now.
We're going to put it on its own feed and
it'll be its own individuals shit.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And we appreciate all the feedback so much, wonderful feedback,
both the best listeners, really.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
We really do. All Right, Well, let's get into the
world of crime, and I'll start us off in New
York and we're going to talk about the Seawing Combes trial,
which is luck you can't pull up Google without seeing
nineteen stories on the Shawan Combes trial. It is fully
(02:33):
underway in the last couple of days Cassie Ventura has
been on the stand. Now, Cassie Ventura, she is in
her third trimester of her pregnancy. As a matter of fact,
she's due like in a week and a half, so
she could have that baby at any time. Of course,
she's testifying in this trial under an extreme amount of pressure,
(02:54):
which can bring on a baby. So it was interesting,
Kelly that yesterday during her testimony in this trial, the
defense said, look, we're not exactly sure when we're going
to have her off the stand. And the judge said,
hold up, we've been talking about this for a month,
and he was he was pretty pissed, quite frankly, he said,
we've been discussing she was pregnant, and I told her
(03:17):
she was going to be out of here by midday Friday,
and I don't care what you have to do to
make that happen, but we're out of here by midday
on Friday with her.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I respect that too, because you know, having a baby
is not as simple as people I think believe it
to be. You know, having done it multiple times, she's
got a lot going on emotionally, physically, and then too,
you know, I'll say allegedly right now, but allegedly be
a victim of horrendous Well she was.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You know, videos are out there getting the crap beat
out of her, so a minimum, she's definitely a victim
of the.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Right, right, and then to be facing him in court
just feed away. I just think a lot of people
who can get on the stand who experienced horrific situations
and then just be feed away from the person who
did that, and then to just stand your ground and
and talk about it and not to mention the whole
world's watching this how humiliating.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Well it is. And you know, they shared a lot
of text back and forth between Sean Comb's and Cassie Ventura,
and a lot of these are you know, I'm not
out there and I can't see everybody's text, but when
you text your wife or something, sometimes those are very personal. Well,
(04:32):
this is you're talking years of text back and forth
between these two, some of them very graphic, that are
now being read out loud in open court to you know,
everybody in the world essentially. Yeah, So it's.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
It's brilliant just today, just putting yourself in someone's shoes,
the victims shoes. Just today, like I said, I was
at the nails line. I had a picture of what
I wanted painted, and I handed it to my girl
and she said, okay, can I take this to go
get your paint? Said sure, Well, I thought she meant
to turn around and just walk like right there to
grab some paint. But she walked away around a wall
with my phone. And the longer yeah, and the longer
(05:10):
I sat there, I was kind of like, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I don't have anything to hide, but I kind of
my children, my family, are you know?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
What do you?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I don't need you just gone with my phone.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I was like, excuse me, could you ask her to
bring my phone back? I'd like to have it.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And the girl turns around and she goes she doesn't
want you taking her phone.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I was like, oh shit.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
She brought it right back, and I was like, I'm
not doing to v ugly. I just that's you know,
your private Yeah, And I.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Mean, look, I've had people I'll take a picture of you.
I'm like, not with my phone, You're not. I mean,
I ain't gonna say I got anything on there to hide,
but I might, well, yeah I might. I don't know
what's twenty six years girl, I have something, don't be swiping.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Look anytime I hand my phone to people, they laugh
and I'll say, don't don't scroll.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, yeah, don't be scrolling all my ship.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I know I look like a psychopath because I have
pictures of my flowers in my yard. Then I'll have
pictures of crime scenes, and then it'll ship.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
To a Bible verse like hot ass mess is on
this phone.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
It's funny when you do what we do for a living,
of course, with Unspeakable, a true crime podcast by Kelly
Jennings and Exposed. Uh. When you do those things, you
google a lot of off the wall stuff. And the
reason you're doing that is you have to have your
research together to tell your story. But if somebody doesn't
know what you do and they get a hold to
(06:31):
your Google history, holy smokes, this person's psycho. Yeah, Google,
I research killers. I'm not one.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I researched something the other day that I thought, damn,
if someone ever gets the search history, this one's this
one's weird. But it was kind of like when someone
stabbed someone through a certain artery, what's typical bleedout time?
You know?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
And I was like, wow, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I'm telling you. I mean you just never know. So
the wrap that up the show on Combs Trial. They're
slating it to be anywhere between six and eight weeks total.
We are wrapping up week one as we record this today,
so they still got a long way to go, all right.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So a woman pleads guilty to charges related to attempted
kidnapping at a Baton Rouge hospital. And so the woman
was charged in connection with the attempted kidnapping of a
baby from our lady the Lake Children's Hospital, and she's
taken a plea deal avoiding jail time. Dynasty Selman pled
guilty to count two of unauthorized entry of a place
for business or a place of business. Under those circumstances,
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she is on active supervised probation for three years. In addition,
she's required to continue all of the following mental en
psych treatment, engage in treatment and therapy, stay away from
the hospital, effective decision making course, anger management, and fifty
hours of community service, as well as maintaining employment or
student status. Because in March of twenty twenty four, Selman,
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who was only twenty one years old at the time,
was facing charges of attempted kids napping and seven counts
of unauthorized entry of a business. According to baton Rouge's
police Selman cased our lady the Lake Children's Hospital for weeks.
Arrest documents reveal Selman fraudulently obtained a parent caregiver badge.
Investigators say that the card allowed her to access certain
floors and rooms of the hospital when she did not
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have a child. Court documents report that on February nineteenth
and twentieth of twenty twenty four, Selman was seen on
the hospital's security footage wearing a parent caregiver badge and
the surgery wing of the hospital, which has restricted access.
Jail records state the surgery wing is restricted to parents
or caregivers with children undergoing surgery, or guests of children
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undergoing surgery. Police confirmed none of those roles applied to Selman.
On the night of February twenty first, Selman allegedly rang
the doorbell of the Pickew after visiting hours and told
staff she was there to visit. The staff did not
recognize her as one of the patient's parents and explained
that visiting hours were over. The staff member reportedly recognized
Selman and saw her slowly walking past each patient's room
(08:59):
looking inside. The staff member told Selman that visiting hours
were over and escorted her out of the restricted area
and arrest report says that the next night, on February
twenty second, she again rang the doorbell of the PICW
and the same staff member granted her access to the
wing and immediately recognized her from the previous night. The
staff member asked her who she was there to visit,
(09:19):
and Selman said she was there visiting her nephew, but
could not provide a room number or name of the patient,
and was observed pretending to make a phone call and
then later walking off.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
And leaving the wing.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
While she was walking the floors of the hospital, she
was able to find a room with a baby where
the parents weren't present. So this baby is laying there,
I guess I'll say unattended. I mean, I know the
hospital's taking care of the child, but with no one
there to give that extra set of eyes. And it
was later learned that the baby was intensive care and
the parents didn't live in Baton Rouge. That puts a
(09:53):
fear in me that a stranger could just walk in
on my baby who's in intensive care. Oh my god,
an affidav it said February twenty ninth, Selman and her
boyfriend went into the room with a nine month old
patient that she did not know. Court documents say Selman
told her boyfriend that the patient was her child, making
him believe that he was the biological father. Police said
(10:13):
Selman learned the child's medical history by reading the charts,
so now she's taking taking hip hop protected information. On
March first, the boyfriend became suspicious of the baby when
he came to the hospital and saw the name on
the door didn't match the name that Selman gave him.
The boyfriend then told a family friend who's a nurse,
and that's when police said the hospital learned that there
(10:34):
was a security breach. Selman her boy boyfriend went back
to the hospital with his family, where they were confronted
by security. Selman was asked for her ID and was
asked to leave the hospital after they retrieved her access card.
More than two weeks later, she was arrested in Shreveport,
and authorities did confirm that the child was never taken
out of the room.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But it's kind of got to beg the question here.
You've searched it out.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
For weeks and then you look.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You find a young, young child too, not a not
a you know, a teenager or an older younger child
if that makes sense, A baby, well.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Either either way. I mean, even if it was an
older child. You can't make that shit up. She actually
went in the room and told her boyfriend that was
her baby and his and his if he didn't break
up with her, well, I mean that shit. You know,
I can't wrap my mind around being dumb enough that
(11:31):
my girlfriend, out of the clear blue sky says, oh,
I had a baby. I mean, how, how the hell
do you even wrap your head around what was going
on in both of their minds. I don't blame him,
and thank god he said something when he noticed the
name on the door was wrong, But dude, did you
buy that to begin with?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Well, this is this is where my thoughts go.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
This was probably not a legitimate boyfriend girlfriend as I
would assume boyfriend girlfriend goes.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Maybe this was.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Were of like a convenience type of situations.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So maybe they hung out together with no clothes, and
then they didn't see each other for a while, and
then she claimed she was pregnant had a baby, and
now they're rekindling. So I think I understand where the
judge went here that she didn't hurt Thank god, she
didn't hurt the child, she didn't actually physically remove the child.
I think this is beyond just being a weirdo. This
has got to be mental health related in some fashion
(12:26):
or form. Now, if it was my child, i'd be
losing my mind. So it's easy for me to sit
back and say, I understand where the judge was coming from.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Here.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Hopefully she'll get this mental health treatment. They will continue
to monitor. I hope that there's a follow up plan
here to monitor, a check back in procedure process, to
ensure that something's being done.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Because that's not normal. And the hospital.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Let me tell you, I was actually at this same
hospital in the last couple of years with the child,
and I arrived by ambulance with the child, and so
I didn't have my purse, I didn't have my ID,
I didn't have anything. But because I came in the ambulance,
obviously I was given access to what was going on. Well,
I left and went outside to take a breather and
(13:11):
just collect my thoughts, and when I went to go
come back in, they would not let me in because
I didn't have an ID, and I lost my mind.
Because I'm like, I arrived here an ambulance, What do
you want me to do? Pull a license out of
my ass? And I understood the security measure, I completely
for this type of reason. I understood the security measure.
But it does make you wonder. I mean, I couldn't
even get past the front door, and I arrived there
(13:32):
with the child, right and she but she did steal
a badge, I mean she did. This is beyond just
not being where you're supposed to be. This type of
person is scary to me. What was your long, long,
long term.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Goals hereid that that you know? And I don't know
that to be one hundred percent fact, but I have
a feeling that had it's given much noticed, the fact
that the name was different on the door, I think
at some point that was her plan. Why else would
you make up this story that is so ridiculously obvious.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, there's beyond me.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
There's some serious mental health issues here, and I would
feel obligated as a judge that I want to make
sure that you're getting some type of help here, because
if this ever escalated into something else, that's when children
are missing.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Right, And we can allow that.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I agree, Well, let's go to North Carolina rather South Carolina,
and we're going to take you to our old friend
Alec Murdall, or Elick as he's known by his friends.
He just can't get out of the news.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I did a thirty episode series on Murdall on Exposed
candalist files of the Elite, and I discussed the possibility
of this happening. It has happened. Becky Hill, who was
the clerk of court in the murder trial. She has
been arrested and then released from jail after posting bond
(15:06):
this past week following her arrest for alleged misconduct during
that trial. Now, the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, which
we all know has sled, on Wednesday afternoon announced that Hill,
who is fifty seven, has been charged with obstructing justice
and misconduct in Callington County and perjury in Richland County.
(15:29):
She received a thirty thousand dollars bond in Collington a
fifty thousand dollars bond in Richland. And these charges stem
from a January twenty twenty four hearing in the South
Carolina Supreme Court where Justice Jean Tull, a very well
respected justice in South Carolina, ruled that a new trial
(15:51):
was not necessary for Myrdal, who was convicted in the
June twenty twenty one murders of his wife, Maggie is
son Paul Mardall Heber requested a new hearing based on
allegations of journey tampering involving Becky Hill. So the long
in the short of this is charging documents stated that
(16:12):
when Tull asked Becky Hill, quote, did you allow anyone
from the press to view sealed exhibits? Hill responded no, ma'am,
which is apparently inconsistent with evidence. It has been attained
by sled Lewis and Hill said said Heill turned herself
in Wednesday during a hearing in Collington County and she
(16:36):
was booked into jail. She just got released. But here's
the question to all of that, Marta aus in jail
for the rest of his life. She is now charged
with obstructing justice and misconduct in this trial, which is
a pretty good argument that you didn't get a fair trial,
(16:56):
especially when someone is criminally charged. Gene told last year
that although she found that the Clerk court had committed
some infractions during that trial, it did not rise to
the extent that it would warrant a new trial. In
other words, she was saying, even considering all of this tampering,
(17:22):
it's still there's so much evidence here. It wouldn't have
changed the verdict. See what happens. And you know Murderal's
attorneys are pushing now for that to be looked at again.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
So hey, everyone, let me tell you about my good
friend Kelly. She's a proud Louisiana high school teacher from
right here in the Bayou State, and in twenty twenty two,
she launched Unspeakable, a true crime podcast by Kelly Jennings.
Armed with a master's degree in criminal justice, her vast
experience in law enforcement, and her sassy, fiery attitude, Unspeakable
(17:56):
has risen to one of the top true crime podcasts,
and I am proud to say she is one of
my dear friends. Kelly, sum up your podcast for me.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
On Unspeakable, I focus on the victims of the crimes
and not the perpetrator. I want to be the victim's voice.
That's why victims First is not just a slogan for me.
It's much more than that, and it's why I launch
the podcast. In every case I cover centers around that
belief the victims matter. I draw from nearly two decades
of experience in law enforcement to tell these stories. They
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are real crimes with the real victims.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Unspeakable, a true crime podcast by Kelly Jennings, can be
found wherever you listen to podcasts, or by visiting Unspeakable.
The podcast dot com. Unspeakable is an Envision Podcast Studios production.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
So let's go to the Menindez brothers now and now
they're eligible for parole after serving more than thirty years
behind bars for the murder of their parents. So Eric
and Laile Menndez will be eligible to leave prison after
serving more than thirty years behind bars for the vicious
nineteen eighty nine shotgun slayings of their parents, a.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Los Angeles judge ruled.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
The judge reduced the sentences for the killer siblings, who
are now fifty four and fifty seven, respectively, from life
without parole to fifty years to life with the possibility
of parole. It would now be up to the California
Parole Board and Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom to decide if
the brothers deserve freedom after they gunned down their wealthy parents,
Jose and Kitty Menendez and their lavish Beverly Hills home
(19:25):
on August twentieth of nineteen eighty nine, and at the
end of Tuesday's hearing, both brothers gave emotional accounts of
the murders, which they claimed came after years of sexual
abuse by Jose with Kitty's help.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Here's a quote.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
My choices that night robbed my parents of their full lives,
said Eric, who was only eighteen when he shot his parents.
I can only imagine the fear, the pain, and the
trauma it caused my family. His older brother echoed that
same sentiment. I committed an atrocious act against two people
who had the right to live my mom and dad,
Lyle said, appearing to fight tears back as he said it.
(19:59):
I take full respec responsibility for my choices. I was
twenty one years old, and I believed I could fix
what could not be fixed. Lawyers cross examined several witnesses
at Tuesday's hearing, including family members and one former inmate,
who all insisted Lyle and Eric had learned the error
of their ways and had redeemed themselves in prison. The
brother's cousin, Anna Maria Barrault, said that the pair had
(20:21):
been universally forgiven by everybody in our family, insisting that
they had been fully rehabilitated. I would welcome them into
my home with my family, she said. Barrault added that
should the brothers be granted parole, they planned to work
as advocates for victims of sexual abuse. Deputy District Attorney
Habib Balian argued that the brothers showed no insight to
(20:42):
sticking to an absurd claim that they killed their parents
in self defense after years of sexual abuse, but their lawyer,
Mark Garrigos insisted the brothers have undergone full transformations. Garrigos
highlighted prison hospice and green space programs spearheaded by Eric
and Lyle, respectively. Rapper X rated fight about how the
brothers had acted as his mentor when he was jailed
(21:03):
for murder and guided him through his own parole process,
helping him understand where and how he had gone wrong.
He colloquially referred to the brother's mentorship of other inmates
as Menendez University, but Bileon questioned Brown's remorse for his
own crime and joked that the only thing he learned
from the Menindez University was how to fool a parole board.
(21:23):
In the end, Judge Michael just excided with Geragos, the
family members and the brothers themselves who delivered emotional statements
of remorse at the.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
End of the hearing.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Now their fate lies with the state Attorney General and Newsom.
The final hearing of that state parole Board has been
scheduled for June thirteenth.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
And if you recognize the name, Mark Geergos, course celebrity
attorney to the stars and his daughter is the one
of the attorneys on the Sean Combe's case. Not only that,
but Mark Gergoz is also an advisor. He's not an
official attorney, but an advisor to Sean Combe's team. Tells
(21:58):
you how powerful he is in life. Okay, hey, in
this case, he's got these guys. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Okay, hey, A.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Lot of people don't agree with me, but I stand
on business on this one. I don't agree with that whatsoever.
I don't think just because time has gone by that
fixes what was done. I have followed this case extensively.
I've done an episode on this one, and there was
so much planning, preparation. They wanted them to die, they
(22:27):
killed them, and I don't believe the older brother at
all that he was sexually abused, not at all, not
an ounce of it. Do I personally believe the younger brother.
I'm a little more inclined, just because of body language
and a whole lot of other things. I want to
go down the whole path here, but we'll say that
it didn't say you get parole. It said you're eligible
(22:48):
for parole. And I've seen cases, because if you're not
familiar with me, I worked at Angola, and I've seen
cases of inmates that one hundred percent behind bars have
done amazing things. Okay, they are part of that hospice program,
they're part of these other programs that they put on
(23:10):
that look good and make the heart feel good. However,
those inmates aren't being given another chance. You know why,
because you should have a good heart to begin with,
and you get in these programs behind bars because you
get more freedoms. I just don't buy this whole thing
because I saw the crime scene photos, I saw the
planning and the preparation, and that's flat out cold blooded
(23:33):
murder what happened.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And I don't think them an Indez brothers deny that.
I think what they deny or what they're saying is
they were molested and that's why they did it.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I don't believe Lyle.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, well, then that's a whole nother store.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
They went outside, reloaded their shotguns, and came back in,
and while their mother was crawling underneath the table, already wounded,
blew her away. Yeah, thirty five years means nothing to me.
And I'm glad your family has forgiven you because time
does aid in the grief process. But the accusation of
(24:12):
the molestation was never a cold It was never like
a slam dunk that this happened.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
It was never a slam dunk.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It was an allegation that was brought up, just like
Casey Anthony brought up the allegation of sexual abuse she
walked and you know what all society knows about that.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, great, there's nothing about it. I think in that case,
just from what I can recall, there were allegations outside
of just the Menindez brothers with molestation with that.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Guy, which, hey, all of that may be true.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I'm not saying that that isn't true, but I'm saying
that these guys.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Were old enough to walk away.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
If your life was that bad, you're twenty fucking one
years old, walk out the door. But they wouldn't have
gotten the benefits kept that lifestyle when they when the
police showed up. And I'm getting a little impassioned here,
but when the police showed up after they blew two
people away with shotguns, all they really asked was can
we get our tennis rackets?
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Would have changed your opinion if there was one hundred
percent proof they were molested?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yes, okay, it would because then we have people acting
in a manner where there's a build up over time,
and then I understand explosive behavior. Now would I still
have convicted them of one, but deny the murder? Right,
the sentencing would have been different, not the conviction. Let
(25:41):
me say that, Hey, give us some feedback though, I mean,
maybe you do agree, maybe you disagree either way, that's
the that's the conversation. You know, where do we stand
on this?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
That's right? All right, We're gonna stay in California, I
guess for this one. And who I hate these stories.
A former sixth grade teacher has been sentenced to thirty
years to life in prison for sexually abusing two of
her young former students. Now her name is Jacqueline Ma
(26:09):
and she was named one of the Teachers of the Year.
This was in twenty twenty two. She taught at what's
known as Lincoln Acres Elementary School in San Diego. She
pleaded guilty in February to two counts of forcible loot
acts on a child, one count of loot act on
a child, and one count of possessing child sexual abuse.
(26:32):
So Ma, who is thirty six, was arrested after a
mother of one of her former students accused her of
sending inappropriate messages to her son. San Diego DA Summer
Stevens said in a statement quote, the defendant violated the
trust she had with her students in the most extreme
and traumatic way possible. Her victims will have to deal
(26:54):
with a lifetime of negative effects and her thirty year
sentence as appropriate. DA stated in a press release that
Ma groomed one of her minor students for more than
a year before performing sexual acts on him at the
age of twelve. After the boy's parents didn't allow him
to have social media or electronics, Ma set up an
(27:16):
unsanctioned after school program and directed him to communicate with
her through a school chat application. The sex abuse continued
in the classroom for three months while the boy's parents
were unaware. In twenty twenty, sexually assaulted another boy, who
was eleven at the time. She continued to groom both
(27:38):
young boys with gifts, food, and special attention. She eventually
gained the trust of the parents with her reputation and
personal investment in their academic development. She began teaching at
Lincoln Acres High School. This was in twenty thirteen, and
she was actually named by the San Diego County Office
(27:59):
of Education and as the Teacher of the Year in
twenty twenty two. And look, San Diego big school district there,
You're not talking about one or two three major schools
in that district. You're talking hundreds of schools in that district.
So a standout teacher from a respect level, it sounds like.
(28:19):
Following her arrest in twenty twenty three, prosecutors alleged that
ma sent explicit images to the student and coerced him
to send explicit videos back. The judge said in court
before sentencing that the former teacher was protected from scrutiny
due to her status as that teacher. Of the year.
(28:41):
Ma also addressed her crimes in court, saying, quote, I
disgraced the teaching profession, abused my authority, exerted my power
and control over them, and deceived them. I ripped away
their childhood. And the senacing comes after my pleaded guilty
to all of those allegations in February.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
And I I'm of the opinion that she did this
on purpose, okay, because if you have kids whose parents
are have taken away their electronics so the parents think
that they are controlling any type of social media or
online or content communication, now she's got a victim that
the parents aren't going to be checking up because they
think they've taken it.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
And you got to think devius.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
To catch Devius like this, then you're going to set
up that after school program, which by the way, it
does say is unsand you know was not allowed. Then
that's just a problem. And they're twelve, that's another thing.
Eleven twelve years old. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting. And I want
(29:42):
to tell any parent out there about this. School districts
and I know the one that I work for specifically
has a policy in place that there is to be
zero communication between a teacher and a child through their
cell phone. It should always be going through a third
party that is a monitored communication, either website or.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
We used to have a thing called Remind.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
It's a remind app which parents can log into and
they can see you get parents access to it.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And in this case, she was using a school chat application.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Well that was flying under the radar.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, they just di can catch it. No one sits
there and reads them.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
No, I mean, but this is going to give us
the proof that we need, which is the point. But
I understand sometimes when the kids are older and they're
in high school, maybe the coaches will say we'll text
and say, hey, we're meeting here instead of the track,
you know, a group type message.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
But I would never be okay.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
With a one on one with a teacher or any
adult for that matter, texting my child that is young,
and it not be for legitimized purposes. You know. Even
whenever on school campus, if a male student came into
my classroom, they would shut the door, like if they
were going to make up a test, I'd say, go
open that door. Yeah, just because that's just the way
(30:55):
the world should work, I.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Agree, And that's sick in in this case. You see
this a lot, and I have a whole series called
Bad Teachers, and I cover these cases. It is an
absolute epidemic right now. But I'll say something about this.
This case is not the norm. This chick actually got
(31:17):
what she deserved. Thirty years to life. Yeah, most get probation.
And I'm not kidding you go listen to that series
if you don't believe me. Most of these female teachers
get very little time, a couple of years, a slap
on the wrist, because especially when it deals with high school,
which I suspect this kid was twelve in the sixth grade,
(31:40):
so it was probably viewed a little more serious. But
when you're talking ninth, tenth, eleventh grader grade boys and
it's a female teacher, an attractive teacher, in a lot
of cases it is not punished as it should. And
I think that's why it's such an epidemic.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
And that tearful apology if I was a child's parent
means nothing to me.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I agree, nothing.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Stay the hell away from the kids. Now, let me
tell you something else you ought to stay the hell
away from. And that's going to be a kangaroo all right,
cause we're going to South Carolina. The brother of a
South Carolina petting zoo owner was apparently beaten to death
by a kangaroo after possibly going into the aussy animal's
pen to quote unquote rough house with it.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Eric Slat's body was Sue Smart Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Eric Slat's body was discovered inside the facility just before
midnight on Friday night at five Star Farm near Loris,
about thirty miles north of Myrtle Beach. Slate, who was
fifty two, had a history of stepping into the kangaroo
enclosure and rough housing with it. The kangaroo was still
in its enclosure at the family owned farm when Slat's
body was found. The farm recently posted a picture of
(32:46):
a large red kangaroo named mister Jack, adding he loves
next scratches and will take treats from your hands. It's
not clear which animal killed Slate, but he was found
with multiple blunt force injuries. Adult male red kangaroos can
weigh nearly two hundred pounds and grow up to five
foot eleven inches tall, with powerful feet for kicking. In
twenty twenty two, an elderly man was kicked by his
(33:09):
pet kangaroo in Western Australia, but that was believed to
be the first time arou killed a person in nearly
ninety years in the country. Five Star Farm offers an
interactive pettings do with exotic animals, including camels, wallabies, and kangaroos.
Owner Robert Slate Road on Facebook, please keep my family
in your thoughts in prayers. The kangaroo is not aggressive
and has not been euthanized cause, he added, it's not
(33:31):
an aggressive animal.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
It's very sad. It's not the animal's fault. He said.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Experts are coming in this week to ensure the enclosure
is safe and that the animal is okay. South Carolina
has some of the loosest restrictions in the US on
the ownership of exotic animals, and it is one of
only three states where kangaroo ownership isn't prohibited.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Wow, and let me tell you something. Kangaroos are no
freaking joke. Kangaroos are bowed up.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Man.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
You see some of them kangaroos and look I met.
We got a lot of awesy people that listen are
shows and they know this first hand. They got biceps
bigger than Mike Tayson and their abs.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I saw one head button and bumping into a mirror
and long claw.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yes, they will tear you up. I saw a video
on it might have been YouTube or something, but a
kangaroo had a.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Dog headlin the river or a lake or something.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
No, this was in a yard. He had the dog
in a headlock and he was basically beating that dog's ass,
and the homeowner went up and literally they went fisticuffs
right there, and the homeowner punched the room in the
face in the room hopped off.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
That's what I saw. But it was in a It
was trying to drown this.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Guy's dog in like a like a waterway, and he
squared up and he punched it and the kangaroo's flabbers
were gased. I mean, he was just flabbergas that the kangaroo.
He looked back at the man like, I know, you
didn't just punch my ass. But the dog ran off
and the man got out the water. But this is
this is the thing about animals that's a wild animal,
regardless of whether it's been domesticated or not.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
And that I am I just miss pick up wilder.
You would have a ruin a heartbeat.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Listen, But I would also not keep it as an adult,
I might save it, put a cast on its leg
and feed it a strawberry.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
But then you go, you going on your way.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
But I watched video of this man, and I'm sorry
that he's deceased, and that's terrible, but I watched it.
I watched some video of him going in the pen
and he liked he did, he liked kind of slap
in rough house with it to try to make it
kind of box back with him.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yeah, and I.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Probably am going to say that this animal was instigated.
And I think any gentle person, even you push him enough,
they're capable of fighting back.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
And I think that's just what happened here.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Horrible situation with that.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
It made me think they real quick about the you know,
the whole one ape versus one hundred men argument?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Have you seen that?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
So everyone's like, what would win one one gorilla or
versus one hundred men? And people are either saying the
gorilla or the men. And so I started thinking about
that here, and I'm like, if a kangaroo can kill
you in one powerful shred you.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
It'd grab you and with no effort rip your arm
off the shoulder.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
And the other ninety nine behind you.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah. I went to a zoo one time. They have
one in the Louisiana that you can actually get close
to the animals used to being laughy at. I don't
know if it's still open, But went to this zoo
and they had a silver back gorilla. And this silverback
gorilla would be like almost NICs to names. But it
was like is this legal? But it was cool. But
let me tell you that silverback gorilla was a monster.
(36:38):
And they are so powerful. It could grab me with
its finger. And I'm not a little guy. It could
rip my arm completely off in about two seconds.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
They're not to play with hands down.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
So some of them animals. It's graduation time, not just
for college though. High schools are graduating all over the country.
And if you're a mom or a dad and you're
graduating that high school senior right now, they're gonna some
of them are gonna be going off to college. Now.
There's some crimes that you may want to warn them
about in their college years. And I have the ten
(37:13):
most common crimes that college students are arrested for. And
so I'm gonna see if kJ how many of these
she can actually rattle off. And I'm gonna cross them
off as she does it. So give me the ten
most common student offenses that you can think of, all right.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I would start with minor and possession, under age drinking,
something like that, Okay, I would go trespassing.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I would say, probably some vandalism.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I don't know if drunk driving would would count there,
but I don't know if that's if that would be
necessarily a top one fighting.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
So assault outside the bars.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
M I would say, like drunken, disorderly type stuff I
would think would be on there live on campus.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I mean there's curfew.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
You've gotten four, right, See, disorderly conduct is number one.
Underage drinking is number two, possession of marijuana, oh yeah,
number three drag racing. They are the wealthiest among us
(38:21):
and have no limits to what they will do to
keep that power until they are exposed. I'm your host,
Jim Chapman, and I uncover and expose the secrets of
the rich and famous. Stories they don't want told, to
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All right, until next time, I am Jim Chapman. I'm
Kelly Jenny, and we still don't have a way that
we're going to close out this show yet. I'm trying
to think of something cute, so I'm just gonna say
thank you for listening to Crime Weekly. No, that was
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