Breaking Chains: The Fight Against Satanic Ritual Abuse and Trafficking with Jason Pillow

 New Podcast Alert! 🎙️ Dive deep into the incredible survival story of Jason Christopher, a man who overcame satanic ritual abuse and now leads the fight against human trafficking with Archangel Ministries. Discover his journey from darkness to light and how he's making a difference. Tune in to our latest episode of the Cross Files Podcast. Link in bio. #SurvivorStory #HumanTraffickingAwareness

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Episode Transcript

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Can you speak about the veracity orthe lack thereof of the account in the
movie, whether or not Tim Ballard'sstory as portrayed in the movie Found of
Freedom is true or mostly true orwhat have you. Well, yeah,
first thing anybody that watches a moviehas to realize, even if it says
based on a true story, itmay be based on a true story,

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but a lot of times there's differentstories that are woven together to bring you
the motion pictures there, and that'swhat was done with Tim's Even Tim has
openly declared publicly that the movie itselfis actually a combination of two different operations
that he was a part of.The first operation with the little boy on
the American side and everything. Yes, that was a legitimate operation. However,

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him going into the Jungles in orderto free another victim, that was
completely separate operation he was involved with. But the writers and the producers of
the film had to put it ina way that was going to be a
compelling story that would inspire hope forthese victims and for the people watching the
film. This is the Cross Filespodcast, brilliantly blending enlightenment and engagement.

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This thought provoking show explores ancient andmodern topics through a biblical lens, offering
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a focus on the supernatural. Yourhosts, Michael and Jerry bring a unique
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life. Welcome to the Cross Filespodcast also known as the Stranger Clock Podcast.
Unvortually and Micah who's Michael Basham couldn'tmake it, but I have my
lovely co host here, Don Elliottwith her new podcast called a Dawn a
New Dawn podcast. Brother. Andwe've got our extra special guest tonight,

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Jason Christopher Pillow, who is aSatanic ritual abuse overcomer and survivor, and
he also has an anti human traffickingministry. Welcome Jason. How are you?
I am good? How are yougood? Thanks so much for your
time tonight. We really appreciate you. Oh you're very well. Jason.

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Do you go into some detail aboutwhy you started your anti human trafficking ministry
and what's the name of it.Yeah, the ministry is Archangel Ministries ninety
one. Anyone wants to check usout, you can go to archangel Ministries
ninety one dot com. A lotof my interviews and previous videos and stuff
are on there, and there's alsoa members page. If you subscribe ten

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fifty dollars a month that helps ministryout a lot. Definitely provides us fuel
and equipment to take care of things, which is awesome. But it was
one of those things I had.You know, let's start at the beginning
because that's probably the best spot.And by the beginning, I mean post
salvation. I the covens had triedto kill me in two thousand and five.

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I survived and wound up getting saved. A few months later, I
met someone that I thought I wassupposed to be with. But little tip
and trick for everybody out there.When God tells you're supposed to meet someone
of the opposite sex, it doesn'tmean you're supposed to marry them, So
just you know, be cautious aboutthat. I learned the hard way.

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But I met that. Yeah,I met her, and the fun of
getting saved a few months later,her mentor Gary Turpin was a huge influence
on me. An amazing man ofGod. I'm super glad that he's at
home with Jesus now and that he'smuch better than what he was. I
mean, he was an amazing man. And after everything that happened, the

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events and everything else, you know, they did succeed in killing me when
I flatlined, they did bring meback. I was resuscitated, though my
spirit had been drugged to hell bythe generational demon for my family, and
the Christ saw fit to bring meout. However, I didn't recover my
memory of hell for what had happeneduntil some months down the road after being

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saved, which we can go intomore detail about that later if you like.
And then me and Brittany, therewas some stuff went on. I'm
not going to go into it becauseI don't believe for smirching people, but
let's say it was justified for divorce. We'll leave it at that. And
then a year maybe two years later, I had got a notification on my

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phone because I had purchase tickets fora conference. It was taking place in
Memphis, and the conference was Russizdarand La Marzouli and the woman who is
now my wife had actually put theconference on and I met her there and
she had been involved in doing humantrafficking rescue work and outreach in the Memphis
area under her ministry, which isMemphis Mission, and I had been tracking

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a coven in this area for awhile that the trail went, so I
agreed to partner up with her andhelp run security and stuff for her organization
and just hoping that I stumbled backupon their trail. And then we also
worked a lot with Express Missions Internationaldoing overseas operations Thailand, Romania, Iraq,

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Afghanistan, just all over Europe,even in the Philippines and you know
the Middle East and even you knowChina, Thailand, places like that as
well. And once EMI and MemphisMission shut down, we wanted to keep
the fight going, so I developedArchangel Ministries, which is now Archangel Ministry

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is ninety one, and we startedgoing back out in the field taking on
cases and everything else. But withme being a part of it, the
amount of healing and stuff I've beenthrough, we were really able to branch
out to not just traditional trafficking,but also be involved in non traditional trafficking,
helping victims of satanic ritual abuse andthings of that as well. And

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now we are what we are today. That's awesome, Thank you so much.
How long is so? How long? Now? That was what twenty
and ten? That that started probablytwenty eleven. Okay, Janice had been
doing outreach and stuff for years beforeI ever got involved. Because Janis was

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a trafficking survivor herself, so shereally had a heart for those girls and
the kids and stuff. They're wrappedup in it, and that's just what
she was called to do. Safeto say, that doesn't necessarily make us
popular at church cocktail parties, that'sfor sure. Most Christians seem to want
to ignore the problem rather than actuallyface it. Yes, that is so

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true. I had an issue withthe local church. I won't go into
that story. Yes, that isvery true. Yeah, so way,
me and Janey, we're just twoimperfect people trying to do what's right.
Yes, you're doing the Lord's workwell, and that really just kind of
sums up the way we look atit. I mean, it's just like

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I get people joking around with meall the time. I got a friend
that we call him Rambo, butyou know, he's Christian man himself and
everything else, and he heard ofstuff about my testimony, and I remember
he made the joke one time.He's like, dude, you're like Jason
Bourne, And I'm like, well, first off, let me tell you
that as entertaining as that might seem, the reality of it is a nightmare.

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So the way I see it is, I'm just an imperfect person trying
to do what's right. Yes,that's good. That's me since I fully
came to Christ in twenty nineteen,just trying to do the next right thing
what God puts in front of me. So I completely understand that. So

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if you rescue a survivor, anovercomer, another overcome and you get them,
you extract them out of the situationthat they're in, be it sorry,
sex, trafficking, or sometimes it'sone and the same. What is
the process after that? Well,the process right now is a bosch.

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There are organizations across the US thatspecialize in counseling, therapy, rehabilitation for
trafficking victims. The problem is alot of them sustain themselves in a group
home type setting, which for someonethat's SRA, that is never an ideal
situation to be in and a lotof times the setup is, lack of

(08:39):
a better term, pass aftwards becausethey expect you to go and do a
successful extraction and then call them totry and get a safe house or a
counseling thing set up, which iscompletely backwards. You're costing us time at
that point. So our ministry,as well as the guys over at Shadow

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and another group that we're working withknown as a Way Out, we're seeking
to change that. Like for us, we have some amazing donors that have
come forward, and they're not justdonors, they're ministry partners because they've really
taken the ball and ran with it. They've been helping us out with a
whole lot of stuff, even withjust organizing the conference we're putting on in

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May. They've really just taken chargeand really been there one hundred and fifty
percent. And they're amazing, youknow, Beth and her husband are just
really amazing people. But they're wantingto put up a certain amount of money,
which hopefully we can get other donorsinvolved in the will match it,
so we can purchase about eighty acresor so of land and a rural,

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undisclosed location that we can set upto be completely self sustaining, self reliable,
that we can have tiny homes oreven trailers and stuff set up on
that will act not only as safehouses for the victims we rescue, so
we have a clear direct point frompoint A to point B where they're going

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to be safe and secure, butcan even double as housing for people that
want to go through our program fortrauma recovery and therapy. So it's a
win win. And our friends overto weigh Out have had the same vision
and they are working on that.They were actually gifted eighty acres a couple
of years ago and they've already completedthe construction on their main building facility there

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and now they're looking to raise fundsto do the electric and the plumbing and
stuff so they can start in theprocess of building the tiny homes and stuff
like that on the property as well. So it's nice to know there's other
groups that have the same mindset becausewe're looking to cut out the middleman in
the process complete right, Yeah,that makes sense. I really like the

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tiny home aspect of it that way, especially just coming out of that out
of a traumatic situation, you don'twant to be in a room with a
bunch of people. I get that. I relate to that. I think
that that sounds wonderful and beautiful,and we will be praying that that will
definitely work out. I would loveto see that happen often. I trust

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the Lord to take the reins onit and bring about whatever his will is.
Yes, that's awesome, amen,Jason. I know we talked about
this earlier. We chatted about thisearlier about Tim Ballard's movie The Sound of
Freedom. Can you speak about theveracity or the lack thereof of the account
in the movie, whether or notTim Ballard's story as portrayed in the movie

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Sound of Freedom is true or mostlytrue or what have you. Well,
Yeah, first thing anybody that watchesa movie has to realize, even if
it says based on a true story, it may be based on a true
story, but a lot of timesthere's different stories that are woven together to
bring you the motion pictures there,and that's what was done with Tim's Even
Tim has openly declared publicly that themovie itself is actually a combination of two

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different operations. That he was partof the first operation with the Little Boy
on the American side, and everythingyes, that was a legitimate operation.
However, him going into the Junglesin We're to Free another victim, that
was completely separate operation that he wasinvolved with. But the writers and the
producers of the film had to putit in a way that we're going to

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be a compelling story that would inspirehope for these victims and for the people
watching the films. They would understand, look, there are teams out there,
there are groups out there. Thisis what we do. So I
actually applaud them for the method thatthey used. And even though that it
was a blending of two stories,the aspects of each story were still accurate.

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You just have to understand those weretwo separate operations. But like I
said, that happens a lot oftimes in books or media when things are
being presented as a true story,right right. I know that that movie
had caused a lot of controversy.Christians were divided between, you know,

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totally just being gung ho for themovie such as I was, or totally
denouncing the movie as false, orthey had criticized the movie because they linked
up with Angel Studios, which ismainly LDS or Mormon led and they're thinking
that it's not good to support amovie that's Mormon led or what have you.
But LDS and Mormon theology and doctrinedoesn't have any bearing on the movie.

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So what do you think about that. Well, that's kind of the
same as taking issue with Jim Caviezelbecause he's Catholic, right, the guy.
If you listen to him speak,you watch his mannerisms and his body
language, you can tell he trulyloves Jesus. Yes, it's a dead
giveaway. You can't fake that.I've been around Satanists that were preachers and

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stuff, and they couldn't fake thatlevel of love for Jesus. So this
is something that you've been in thatworld. You know how to read people.
You can tell that he sincere,you know. So a lot of
that is just nonsense, you know, especially with a lot of division,
especially in the SRA community. Andthe problem with the SRA community is you

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have a lot of people that arebroken. I don't blame any of right,
but most of them don't have thetenacity. You know. They have
a dream or something. It's like, oh, it must be a recovered
memory, but they don't go throughto prove the validity of the memory,
whether or not it actually happens.So you have a lot of SRA survivors
that claim that a ritual was doneto them and this famous person was there,

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or this famous person did something tothem. It's like, have you
verified this? How do you knowit's not an extra source, something demonic
trying to manipulate your ministry or manipulateyou as a person in order to come
out against them, even though theythemselves are actual Christians. You don't know

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that because you did not verify.You know, that's the biggest thing I
tell survivors all the time. Don'tjust take a dream or something as being
true. Verify, Verify, verify. Otherwise you're going to smirch and smear
the names of good people and dragtheir reputation through the mud because you allowed
yourself to be manipulated. And there'sso much scrutiny with SRA and the survivors

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as it is, we cannot affordto allow that to happen. You know,
our biggest thing is our testimony.But if our testimony is filled with
lies or partial memories that we haven'tproven to be true, then that brings
our validity and our honesty into question, and with the problem that satana virtual
abuse is, we can't allow thatto be how we are portrayed, right

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right. Thank you for explaining that, Jason, Oh, So, I
was trying to get back to youwere telling us earlier about when you became
a Christian. How so how longwas it? Because you had that near
death experience you went to hell,Jesus rescued you, and which I think

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in itself would make a really coolmovie. So how long did it was
it? How you remembered the experience, because they know you didn't remember it
right after. Yeah, it wasa matter of months. And most people
that have watched anything that has todo with amnesia or stuff like that will

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understand how there's certain things you cando or certain things you see that generates
that feeling of dejavud right and cantrigger memories to come back. And that's
what happened with me. I hadbeen in the church for a number of
months and I had heard about atestimony from a gentleman named Bill Weis.
He had wrote the book twenty threeMinutes in Hell, Right, So I'm

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like, well, this is somethingI mentioned in Learning in So I read
through his book and a lot ofthe stuff he experienced in the book was
very triggering for me. And thenI started having, you know, the
dreams and the flashbacks and stuff likethat. So I sawt God about it.
I'm like, God, what what'sgoing on here? And he told
me, He's like, no,Jason, you experienced this. The part

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of Hell you went to was thepart where they keep people that practice idolatry
and witchcraft. The demons that werein the cell with you were ones that
you had made contracts with over theyears that you thought you had control of.
So that's exactly what had happened there. And then when I came to
the understanding of it, I wasable to actually freely talk about it at

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that point because let's I mean,it's just like Bill, we said,
there's no words in human existence thatcan describe Hell. It doesn't exist.
It's not in our vocabulary. Youcan do your best, but it's still
going to fall short by a millionpercent, and that's just the unfortunate reality.
So yeah, that's kind of theway that that came about. And

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that's also you know, it's happenedwith several different altars and suppressed memories and
stuff as well, Right, Sowhen how does that work when an altar
makes itself known that you didn't knowbefore? Am I okay to ask that?
That? Is it? Okay?Well, it's kind of hard to
explain because it's just like, youknow, after what happened to me,

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you know, going to Hell,coming out and everything else, was Christ
himself that brought me back out ofhell. The demons that used to be
in possession of me could not follow. They couldn't be in his presence.
So when I was placed back inmy body, it was just me and
broken parts of my mind. Right, So I would hear voices, conversations.

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Sometimes voices would be directed at me, you know, telling me things
stuff like that. And for along time after I got saved, I
thought it was demonic because I'd comeout of the occult and everything else.
So I went to my pastor aboutit, and you know, he didn't
have a background in SRA alternate personalities, He didn't know any events. So
he kind of gave me the oneand done church answer of oh, it's

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demons. Just rebuke him in Jesusname, and you know that'll be the
end of it. So the nexttime the voices started up, that's what
I did. I said, look, you have no right to be here.
I commanded to be silent and leavein Jesus' name, and then the
next thing I heard was shut up, and I'm like, that's not right.
Wait a minute. Sorry I laughed, But it's just like, well,

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one of them is kind of assmart ass most of them are,
actually, So it's been one ofthose things that, you know, that
was kind of the point that Ihad to realize that there was something different
going on and it wasn't necessarily demonicin nature. So I really had to

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expound on my understanding of things andyou know, really go back into my
knowledge and everything else, as wellas find other people that knew the parts
of the puzzle I was missing soI could start putting the pieces together.
M Yeah, Jason, could youexplain to us the process of creating splinters
or alters to cause multiple personality disordersor dissociative identity disorder because the regular person

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regular, but the average person outthere maybe doesn't understand the process of ritual
abuse and causing these different alter personalitiesto cause you know, MPD or d
i D. Can you explain abouthow that occurs? Yeah, it's all
based on severe trauma. The creationof ultimate personalities is a psychological survival mechanism

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that humanity's intrinsically built with. Ifwe did not have that, then severe
trauma could actually kill a person,even if it's just psychological torture. So
the best way I can put itis this is, you're standing in front
of a mirror, full full bodymirror, right, you know, you
look into the mirror, you seeyour reflection, Your reflection looks back at
you. Are you reflect in thisinstance would represent your soul, which is

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your mind as well as your spirit. If you take something like a hammer
or a stone and you throw itat the mirror, it shatters it,
it breaks, that's trump that's whatit does to the human psyche. However,
each of those pieces that fall tothe floor, when you look at
them, they still hold a partof your reflection. Those are parts of
your personality, although they're alternate personalities. And this affects the mind as well

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as the spirit because each of thoseis intrinsically connected. We are a try
human being, so to speak,just as God is. You know,
God operates in three parts, Father'sson, Holy Ghost. We operate in
three sparts. We are flesh,mind, and spirit, so these parts
are intrinsically connected to one another.So Christ is the only one that can

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actually mend those parts completely. Youcan go through a decade's worth of therapy
and counsel, but unless Jesus isinvolved in it, then it's never truly
healed or mended the way that it'ssupposed to be. Right, right,
So you were saying that with thesemultiple personalities and what have you, that

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the process of healing is when thosepersonalities get delivered from demonic oppression. Is
that correct? How does that happen? Oh, that is a part of
it, because some of them,in your average survivor, do have demons
that are attached to them. Sodeliverance is first and foremost, to be
honest, And sometimes you'll even comeacross alternate personalities that try to personify what

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they believe is powerful, so itwill be they will try to personify themselves
as a demon. So you haveto be able to discern the difference between
the two. Rust Istar actually usedto speak about that quite a bit because
it had happened to him on morethan one occasion. I mean, you
figure out it's like, we're notdealing with a demon, you're an alternate
personality, and he would call itout and it would go into the healing

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process. But each part will haveexperienced their own traumatic event, whether it's
ritual abuse, whether it's being involvedin the sacrifice or something along those lines.
It experienced something strong enough to causea psychotic break which created that alternate
personality. So every personality is goingto have its own amount of damage,

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its own trauma they've been through.And so it's not just a spiritual healing
process, but it's also a mentalone because they have to be able to
express that trauma, they have tobe able to talk about it, they
have to be able to accept pricefor who he is, to receive the
healing and things that they need forthat trauma. Then once that is accomplished,

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that alter can be quieted down andreformed back into the place that it's
supposed to be in. And whenthat happens, you will have the victim
like myself. I have the memories, I have the skills everything that alter
had been taught, so but thevoices and stuff aren't there any Okay,

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thanks for explaining that, Jason.So would you say that MK Ultra is
basically the same as satantic ritual abuseor is there a little bit of a
difference. There's a slight difference inthe method, but it's still the same
rotten apple. It was still theintent purpose of shattering a person's psyche,

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creating an alternate personality that can becalled on with a call sign or a
tone or something specific that would activateit. And they were mainly used for
spying purposes, assassinations, things ofthat nature. And then when the agent
involved would be taken or if theyfell captive, they wouldn't remember anything about

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it and couldn't divulge any information thatmight give up the government agency that had
sent them in the first place.Interesting, it's interesting that the Hollywood glamorizes
the CIA spy or like Jason Bourneor Nikita, or the hundreds of different
CIA spy or FBI agent type ofmovies. That's interesting that a lot of

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people don't realize the underlying skills arewrought because of the MK ultra. That's
interesting. A lot of people don'tunderstand. Like Jason Bourne is a prime
example. Right, The movies arenothing like the books. The guy that
actually wrote the original Jason Bourne novelshad a very good understanding of dissociate identity
disorder because Jason Bourne himself was analternate personality of David Webb. So the

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programming and stuff that David Webb beenput through the movies don't really portray that
accurately. The books go much morein depth with it and give much more
of an enlightened understanding of the processand how did actually works. So someone's
going to read a you know,look into it via media. I recommend
the Jason Bourne novels pharm more thanI do the movies. Okay, thanks

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for that. Sorry, always switchingback and forth and muting and things.
I was like, oh yeah,So when you started to realize you need
Christ, was it hard? I'masking for a friend? Was that hard
to realize you were giving up yourperceived power, your occultic powers? Is

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that was that hard? Is thata struggle for you to go through?
For me? Not really. Thereason why they tried to kill me in
the first place was because I wasquestioning the order to begin with. I
had already started questioning things that Iwas being taught and trained in because I
was being trained to be a highpriest of the Druidic order to begin with.

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So once I started questioning you know, their commands, their edicts,
you know, their beliefs and stufflike that, you know, and there
were other events that I can't reallyget into that led to my attempt at
execution. You know, I hadalready started to question their system. So
you know, even though I didn'tremember Hell when I came back and everything

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else, I knew that something wasoff. It was different. You know.
I could tell the demons weren't there. You know, I could still
operate in the supernatural and do whateverI wanted to. But as far as
giving it up goes now, becauseI quickly learned that I didn't lose anything

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because what Christ had given me wasfar more powerful than anything I had had
with the occults. And you know, so for me, it was an
adventure, and in a way itstill is because I can take everything that
I learned from the occults, youknow, because I was very highly trained.

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I've read and seen and done thingsand been a part of things that
most people think are nothing more thanfairy tales or something you would find in
old legends. But I can tellyou they're accurate and they're true. So
I got to take all the knowledgeand stuff that I had, and then
allow God to teach me the truthbehind it from his perspective, and it

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completed the knowledge rather than distorted anything. You know. So I don't practice
or operate in the occult in anymanner, way, shape, form,
or fashion. I don't part inany of that stuff. But that knowledge
is invaluable, especially when it comesto spiritual warfare. Yes, well you

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know what you're what you're fighting,know your enemy exactly as Shanksu would say,
Yep, Jason, I know thatyour wife is a counselor. I
believe for SRA and d id peopleare suffering with that? How did you
two meet? We actually met ata conference that she had put on.

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She put on because she had noticedsome of the girls that she was ministering
to and stuff out in the streetwere showing clear signs of d D.
So she had decided to put ona conference with rust Is darn La Marzouli.
Of course, she's always been intothat biblical knowledge and understanding the truth
of the scriptures, rather than justtaking things at face value or metaphor like

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so many Christians do. Because meand her have a very literal interpretation of
scripture, which I believe is thecorrect way to go about doing it.
So she had put on that conference, and you know I said, I
wound up attending that, and thenfrom us being connected with Russ, we
got involved with Tom. You knowTom done over through the Black and his
stuff. And the woman that doesthe majority of my counseling, Colleen.

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Actually her and Sherry from chatter Opstrained Janice and dealing with SRA survivors,
d ID and stuff like that.So that's kind of how Jane's kind of
fell into it. So she's alwayshad a heart for the victims, being
as you know, she was traffiedas a child herself, and she has
just done everything she can to beable to handle all of it rather than

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just a small portion. That's awesomethat you two are in ministry together and
the Lord brought you two together,and did you have that shared background,
And it just blows my mind thatanybody could put a child or anybody through
the abuse whatsoever. So Jason,I know that we chatted about this before.

(30:33):
Your mom remembers being in the Satanicceremony which caused your conception with a
fallen angel. Can you do youfeel comfortable talking about that. What she
shared about that. Don't let meput words in my mother's mouth. My
mother says that she remembers the eventwith the fallen angel. I'm going from
what I know about my grandfather andmy great grandfather from my biological father's side

(30:57):
of the family, and the stuffthey were involved in the type of abuse
and things my father was put throughas best as I can tell. Of
course, you're talking about stuff thatwas in nineteen eighty five, or well,
I know that would have been nineteeneighty four, you know, at
the height of the Satanic panic is, you know, the media likes to
call it. So everything I've beenable to extrapolate and put together points to

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a ritualized conception, which, giventhe amount of ritual abuse I've sustained,
the programming and everything else lines upand makes perfect sense. Unfortunately, the
people that would have firsthand account knowledgeof this either refuse to have anything to
do with me or have passed away. So it's one of those things like

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I know that my mom still suffersfrom the effects of spiritrauma, night terrors
and you know, flashback, suppressedmemories, things of that nature. So
I can only imagine what she wasput through with my biological father. And
let me be clear, I don'tblame him because I know what he was
put through as a child, andanything that would have been done to my

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mother in a ritualized type nature wouldnot have been at his core personalities behess.
It would have definitely been an alterthat was involved and would have been
tied into the cult itself. Soit's want to say, I just want
to make sure that people have thatunderstanding because one of the biggest things we
have to do as survivors, wehave to be able to reach that point

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where we can genuinely forgive. Butthe stuff that my mother has told me
and everything else, and she's beenkind of coming to a slow acknowledgment of
the reality of some of the stuffthat I say, because she understands that
I'm not a dishonest person. Idon't lie, especially when it comes to
stuff like this, and a lotof the stuff that she does remember of

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my childhood, my abilities, thingsthat I could do. It makes sense,
but I can understand how her traumaand stuff would make it hard for
her to accept it because she hasa tendency of blaming herself, which she
shouldn't because it's not her fault atall. You know, she didn't choose
the family that she came from.Even though my grandparents are great people.

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It's the bloodline that they were after, not because there was a pulp ties
or anything, but because it wasa noble bloodline. So it's not her
fault, and I hope she canaccept that and understand that one day.
So that's kind of really where it'sat. But I said, my traits
and stuff. Growing up, Iwas always more intelligent, always faster,

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always stronger. There were things thatI could do that I was never trained
to do. You know. Inever took martial arts as a kid or
anything like that, but I hadan aptitude for it. I would do
things, you know, kind oflike in the Jason Bourne movies, and
then I'd be like, Okay,how did I do that? How did
I even know how to do that? One time, my mom told me,

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when I was two, They've gotme like one of those little disc
gun for my birthday. And therewere pillows, pillows, i'm sorry,
balloons that were up and she said, I got the gun and I shot
all six of the pillows or sorryballoons. It's one of those days I'm
going on no sleep. Sorry.I had shot each one of those balloons,

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one in succession, one right afterthe other, no missus or anything,
and she thought that I was gonnaend up being a prodigy or something
like that. But it had todo with the traits and stuff that were
in my DNA. This is thereason why I could do that. Just
like in high school my freshman year, someone came up behind me and tried
to put me in a bear hugand carry me over, and I went

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into a no handed cartwill without eventhinking about it, kicked him in the
face and landed on my feet,and everyone was just looking at me like
what was that? And I wassitting there thing It's like what was that?
Because I didn't understand how I hadthe ability to do that either,
you know, So all these thingsthroughout my life that just kind of show

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the reality of what was going on. Well, so, Jason, so
do you have the the different typesof genetics because you were ritually conceived?
And then also do you think thatthe training that there was some suppressed memories
of training like Jason Board would have. But then that doesn't explain why you

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had the inate abilities to shoot sixballoons in a row when you were only
two years old. So do youthink it's a combination of genetics as well
as the mk LTRA programming or trainingfor combat? You have to understand the
training process and the programming process.They don't just look for kids from specific

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bloodlines. They also look for traitswithin certain children, and they're going to
base their programming and the rituals andstuff on the traits that individual carries.
For me, I showed up earlyaptitude in combat and firearms, so that's
the direction they put me in,whereas some of the other kids would wind
up with sex kitt and programming,being sold into prostitution and things of that

(36:07):
nature, and others would be usedfor you know, spying, intelligence gathering,
and stuff along those lines. Sothey look at the aptitudes and the
traits that an individual already has oris displaying, and then they develop it
from there. I see right,it's a combination of both. I see.
So you spoke about a conference shehad coming up. Where do we

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get information on that, Well,we've just got the facility reserved Friday and
it's going to be in Houston,Texas. So we're looking at the dates
of May eighteenth through the twenty first, and I'm working with some tech buddies
of mine now so we can getthe tickets, purchase, availability and stuff

(36:52):
uploaded to the website. Keeping eyeon the website. Everything's going to be
coming here within the next week orso. Purchase and stuff like that.
But originally it was just going tobe a training because my ministry, the
guys from Shatter Offs, have hadso many different people that want to volunteer
for the ministry that and we're sucha small force that we don't have time

(37:12):
to train everybody individually, right,So we were looking at doing a training
semart and then God took it andsaid, no, Jason, I want
you to do this instead. Sonow it is a conference and we're going
to have speakers from multiple different backgrounds. I'm working on getting some speakers involved
that have backgrounds in fallen angels,biblical history, and cryptids you know,

(37:37):
sasquatch, dog man stuff like that, because that is a front that is
a very real thing. And thenwe're going to have speakers that specialize on
like the counseling part of SRA andstuff like that. And I'll be teaching
Tom Dunn's going to come down Kennyc. I'm working to make sure Kenny's
going to be able to make itso because he is brilliant when it comes

(38:01):
to the aspects of you know,harmonic frequencies and music and stuff like that,
so I really want him there.And then Colleen is going to be
there and she's going to be goinginto breaking contracts and stuff like that that
are made programming. And then I'mhoping that Sherry will come and speak on

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what I said. So a coupleof the speakers were still waiting to get
confirmation on, but as soon aswe do, it's going to be set
up and the first two days aregoing to be the actual conference. So
Saturday and Sunday will be the conferenceand I will have a full list of
all the speakers that are confirmed herepretty soon. Jason, he's a buddy

(38:44):
of mine and he works with Tom'sdaughter of Aangeline doing the pro life as
well, and he also does deliveranceministry and stuff like that, so I
wanted to give him the opportunity tocome and speak so people would understand.
You know, the enemy operates asa unified military on multiple fronts. Yes,
the body of Christ doesn't do that. So this conference is about exposing

(39:08):
everybody there to the different aspects thatthe enemy is involved in and how they
can be involved with fighting it froma Christian perspective. And then not only
will they get the knowledge from peoplethat are leaders in these different ministries in
these different walks, but after theconference is done, the next two days,

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if they choose to find a ministrythey want to volunteer for or work
with, then the following two daysare going to be training. It's just
specific specific parts of the ministry.Like for us in Shadter Offs, we're
going to have everything from outreach toextractions, to counseling, to security details,

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investigations, everything else. As amatter of fact, me and my
buddy Ryan will be heading up thetraining for the security teams and the extraction
team down there. And then Iknow Jason is going to be more than
willing to have his own training setup for being involved in like the pro
life ministry and doing deliverance and thingsof that nature. And then the guys
from Shatter Ups are going to bethere and have their training services in order,

(40:15):
which us in Shadow Ups will probablypartner a lot and kind of go
back and forth with that since it'sthe same field. But even if people
aren't able to attend in person,I do plan on having it set up
where the conference will be live streamed, and then each part of our training
and the training with shatter ups,we are going to make sure that it's

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reported so at a later date itwill be put up behind for the members
area of the website. That waythe volunteers can still go back in and
they can get the training and stuff. Because for my ministry specifically, the
training is mandatory. You don't goout in the field unless you've gone through
the training, right, And that'sjust the way it is, because send

(41:01):
you out as a sheep that doesn'tknow what it's doing amongst a pack of
wolves, it just doesn't bode wellwhen you do that, so right,
right, Yeah, Oh, itsounds like something I definitely want to go
to. I wish I could affordto go to these conferences. Go so
bad, me too, I wouldlove to go. I have wanted to

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get involved with an anti human traffickingministry for decades, actually two decades.
As a matter of fact, backin two thousand and five, I didn't
even think of human trafficking. Ididn't even know who it was a thing.
I mean, I knew that peoplewere oppressed and things like that and
abused, but I didn't think thatit was to the degree that it is.
Back in twenty oh five, fourtimes in the month of November,

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the Lord brought it to my attention. There was a speaker at our church,
and then that move of human traffickingwas on HBO with Mira Sorvino as
a police officer trying to uncover thehuman trafficking ring, and then two other
times after that, and I thought, okay, four times in one month,
what are you trying to say tome? God? Are you wanting

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me to pray, donate, beinvolved all the above, whatever it is.
And I had been involved in termsof educating people when I used to
work at Palm Beach County and Igave classes. Actually, I had people
watch the movie Human Trafficking, eventhough it was a fictionalized account of true
stories in an amalgamation that I wantedto use, you know, to teach

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people to look out for these signsand are you or somebody you know trafficked?
Call this phone number and what haveyou? What would you say about
the anti human trafficking phone numbers.It's like an eight seven seven number or
something like that. I'm sorry,I forgot. Are those effective? Like
are you being traffied? You know? Like when you go into a restroom

(42:51):
and you see those little pictures thatsay are you being trafficked? You know?
And do you have these signs?And you know what have you call
this phone number? Are those?Are those effective in helping those people?
It's hit or miss, you know, it depends on what organization they're attacked
to. They're attached to, youknow, because most organizations aren't structured to

(43:14):
where they can immediately send someone outin the field, even if it's just
someone doing outreach to talk to theindividual. So it's kind of hit or
miss on that stuff. And that'sthe reason why we are trying to do
things differently period Arcangel. You know. It's just like the last person that
we rescued. Ironically enough, theywere watching YouTube and came across a interview

(43:37):
that my wife had done with ourfriends over at the camp ormand podcast,
and she saw that and then figuredout how to reach to us. So
she reached out to me via emailover the website, and then we established
that relationship and then confirmed what shewas telling us. And then through my
interactions with her and being able totalk to or, I confirmed that they

(43:59):
were plotting to kill her. Theywere Yeah, they were plotting to suicide
her. So I dropped everything atwork, took off, organized a very
quick extraction force in the area,had two of my top guys up there,
and had Sherry meet us, andthen we rode in, got her

(44:21):
out, and then I took herall the way down to the safe house.
I know, I was wore outby the end of it. I'd
been up for thirty six hours straightjust trying to make sure it was a
successful operation. But a lot ofthese organization stuff are not set up that
way. It's a lot of talkand no action. When someone's life at

(44:44):
state, you cannot afford to siton your laurels or be passive about the
situation they're in. It does notwork that right. It's kind of like
I've never called the phone number before, but I'm assuming that they probably tell
them, Okay, these are theresources that you need to call or what
have you where they need immediate rescuingright then. And they're not, like

(45:06):
you said, rest on their laurelsand what have you. Well, okay,
I guess it's better than nothing.But at the same time, if
it's giving them false hope versus areal human trafficking ministry like what you guys
have and what a few others have, So that's good to know. That's
good to know. Well, ifyou don't mind, I just want to
say, that's what me and Janiceare really looking to change, because you

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know, it's just like at theconference, you know, during the training
stuff, Janice will be teaching onthe outreach aspects of it, how to
recognize a victim of trafficking and howto approach them and actually speak to them
in a way that is going toleave them with that sense of hey,
someone out there does care, someonedoes genuinely want to help me, and

(45:47):
that is what opens the doorway,you know. So Jana is going to
be teaching on that. I mean, that's the reason why me and Janis
works so well together. She isthe heart and I'm just the guy that
kicks indoors and slaps bad guys around. So that's awesome, right, you're
the brun Yeah, that's awesome.Well, I thank God for you guys's

(46:12):
ministry. And it's truly a godsendfor sure, and it's I believe that
God is trying to set free thesevictims and heal these victims like in sold
ninety one, which is what yourministry is the name of your ministry is
based out of for sure. Yeah, I really I would love to go
to the conference. I'm glad youguys are gonna broadcast it so that people

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come with ship from home because I'mpoor girl. I can't really wor to
fly from California to Texas. Iunderstand. But so you have teams right
now set up in different states andlocations or how does how? I mean
you give me all the Yeah,yeah, we are re establishing our networks

(46:58):
across the US right now. You'vehad a lot of people come forward in
several different states, and we're doingthis differently than most people will right now,
the people that volunteer and stuff,especially for you know, the ministry
we're involved in. There's certain checkmarks you're gonna have to eat. You
know, if you've got priors thatwere sex crime related, you're automatic out.

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If you're connected to any secret societywhatsoever, you're out. You know,
game ties cards out, get out. You're not, and if you
somehow sneak your way in and Ifind out about it, not only gonna
boot you out that I'm gonna dealwith you myself. So it's one of
those things. We have a lotof volunteers and stuff right now, and
it's a matter of getting the trainingdone appropriately right. So I'm hoping that

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the majority of our volunteers that arereally looking to be involved can make it
to the conference. If not,we will have the training available online,
just like we're going to be streamingthe actual conference itself. But it's like
we have from really strong individuals inseveral states right now. I'm just going
through the process of making sure thatthey're cohesive as a team. They know

(48:09):
how to operate together where they canrely on one another and be you know,
fluid and active in the streets andactually doing what they need to do.
Because our number one priority isn't justgetting the girls out, it's also
making sure that we do things statesidein which we leave no residual footprints.

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We don't need games showing back upto someone's house and our teams and stuff
like that. So there's a veryspecific way we do things, so it
takes a little while to get peopletrained to that level, but it's worth
in the long run because we wantto make sure that our teams are safe,
their families are safe, and thatwe're able to do everything that needs

(48:52):
to be done appropriately. Yeah,that's that sounds amazing. I would love
I would love to be a partof something like that. Since I rededicated
my life to Christ, I've justwanted to dive in and I've found through
the Black and they're way over inOhio and I just haven't found a way

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to be part of that. Sothen I started doing this. But if
what are ways that people can help, well said, some people are called
to be on the front lines,directly involved the ministry. And if that's
the case, then the way thatwe have it set up is they contact

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us through the website. You know, they give us a little bit about
themselves that we can kind of get, you know, a basis. You
know, how long have you knownJesus for, you know, what your
relationship Christ is like, that kindof stuff. And then from there we
set up a zoom and call withusually me and Ryan or me and one
of my other associates. And it'snot really an interview as much as it

(49:59):
is a getting to know someone thing, you know, because I have to
listen to the Holy Spirit speak tome about the individual, tell me what's
going on and stuff like that.Because each individual, though they may desire
to go into a specific field,that specific thing, may not be the
best fit for them. So wehave to let the Lord lead on that.

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It's not to say they can't gointo that field eventually, but they
have to be trained and the traininghas to be properly done, vetted,
and has to be thorough. So, you know, that's what the entire
interview process is for, you know, because we want to place people where
they're best going to be suited inthe organization. We want to give everyone
the tools and stuff they need,not just to be effective in the field,

(50:42):
but also to help us establish ournetworks. Because every volunteer that we
have, you're not just out thereto be boots on the ground. You're
not just upon in a great chessgame or anything else. No, you
represent our changels. So I'm alsorelying on you to help out with networking,
you know, talking to different churches, different pastors, seeing if they

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will allow you or even me orJanice to come into a presentation to tell
people about what's really going on inthe shadows, the human trafficking, the
pedophilia and all that stuff. Educatepeople, you know, because we view
every single person as not just avolunteer, but you are a part of
the family. You're a part ofour core group, you know. So

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we're going to have your back,just like we expect you to have far
back, you know, because wehave to do this as a unit,
as one big family. So thatis really the biggest thing, you know.
So people that want to be involvedand whatnot. Of course, different
people are called different things. Somepeople are involved to just be prayer warriors
that you make good on it.You know. If you want to contact

(51:50):
me and say, hey, Iwant to put together a prayer group,
I'm all for it. Let's doit. If you are someone that God
is just blessed financially and you wantto support that way, okay, we'll
be no problem. I got you. But if you're one of those few
that have the stomach for it andthe courage and want to be on the
front lines, then contact us.Let's get the ball rolling so we can

(52:12):
get you brought in and you know, get you measured out, make sure
you're exactly who you say you are, what you're supposed to represent, and
then we will start with the conversationand letting you know how we need to
build teams. Depending upon what areayou're in, a lot of times we
will have people that are already closeby that are volunteering, and we can

(52:35):
set up a meeting between all ofyou individuals and then start doing periodic zoom
meetings and stuff to start you know, the team structure and organization and the
training methods. If there's not peoplethat are close by in your area,
then I'm going to teach you howto put the word out and start talking
to people in churches and you know, stuff like that in order for you

(52:58):
to gain the foothold to build avery solid team in your area so you
can go out and do it.Because for me, it's about taking ownership.
I don't want you just to besomeone that volunteers and expects me to
just bark orders at you. No, you have to own this. This
has to be what you're called todo. And if it's what you're called
to do, then I expect youto have the tenacity to see it through.

(53:22):
To the end and I'm going tohelp you, but I need you
to be able to stand up andtake charge in that role. Yes,
and your stood. Wow. Yeah, that's great. It's so needed for
sure, Jason. I wanted tokind of touch base on the whole Epstein
Island the backle. How much truthdo you think there is to the media

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reporting all the people involved with EpsteinIsland and what was that all about?
That was a massad operation meant togather dirt on influential people within the United
States, especially American politicians, formanipulation and control. Now let me preface
this. I'm not dissing on theJewish people, Okay. I've worked with

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a lot of different Jewish people andmet some really amazing, outstanding ones.
One of my closest friends that youknow from back the day, you know,
he was Jewish, comes from aJewish family, I want to say
it was Levite was but an amazingman, amazing family. So I'm not
banging on Jews at all. However, i will bang on the Israeli government

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because they are not Jews. Theyare the ones that Christ talked about in
scriptures that said those who claim tobe Jews, but are not. They
shook the falling. They worship Lucifer. That is what they are involved with,
and they are the one that hasthe most political influence here in America

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right now. And you see thisvery clearly with the corrupt regime that is
in power. You know, so, I will say that much because most
of the names and stuff that areactually documented on that list, you will
find several high ranking politicians from presidentson down, the congressman on down,
the state representatives and so on andso forth, as well as highly influential

(55:15):
actors and actresses and stuff like thatto manipulate the public. This is we're
looking at the fruition of what Epsteinwas doing and it's still ongoing now.
Is the same thing that you sawwith the Bolshevik revolution in Russia. You
topple those that are in power andthen you create a form of fascist communism.

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In order to do that, andin order to understand how that works,
you have to understand the mechanations behindit and how you destabilize a nation
through the corruption of the nation ofthe country's bulks. Wow, Okay,
thanks for shedding light on that.I would say ninety people have no idea

(56:01):
about the true underlying reason behind thewhole Epstein Island thing. Well, thank
you so much for sharing that.Well, now I'm like that kind of
chucked me, and I'm going reallymassade. Huh. I kind of always
thought of them as the good guys. Yeah, I guess, as Jesus

(56:22):
said, no one is good,only God. Now what do I ask?
So? I guess we already talkedabout it. If somebody wanted to
reach you. You've got your website. Now, do you also have a
YouTube channel or podcast? Or Ido? A YouTube channel? Is Archangel

(56:43):
Ministries ninety one. I also havea Rumble channel, though I think it's
going by the old name because Ihaven't figured out how to change the name
on that one yet. Okay,so it's I think on Rumble it's Archangel
Ministries twenty two, which was justkind of a placeholder until I was doing
the actual paperwork for our status asa ministry. Oh okay, So I

(57:04):
know it gets confusing two different names, but what are you gonna do?
Literally, I'll figure out how tochange the name and correct it. But
you know, it's what's kind offunny is back when my oldest son was
in Iraq and I was like Iraq. Yeah, And I started this program
at my church called the Warrior AngelProgram because he's a combat engineer, and

(57:30):
I had a logo and all thisstuff, and the whole thing was too
it was. I tried to keepit really simple and then when I get
to it, and all it waswas, I was going to give you
a name of a soldier and yourjob was to pray for them and then
write letters and contact him and justyou know, keep them and you know,

(57:51):
be support to them. But thensome ladies from a MTV decided they
wanted to be part of it,and then it just I went I learned
why God had to create the TenCommandments. Yes, I guess now I
have to make rules because they startedto sending inappropriate pictures to the soldiers,

(58:15):
not knowing if they were married,and yeah, it was it was I
was like, oh, you're missingthe This isn't tag you know, tag
hunting. Yeah, angel, Soyeah, it's just the Archangel ministry has
made me think of my Warrior Angelsprogram. Any type of ministry that's affected,

(58:39):
you always have to keep a veryclose eye on the people involved because
the enemy try to infiltrate it.The reason why I'm so stern and hard
as I am about the people thatwere involved with me, because you know,
I'm a very direct and blunt typeindividual. You know, if you

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come in and you're legitimate, andyou're sincere, and you love Jesus and
this is what he's called you todo, we're gonna get along famously.
But I read people very very well. And if you somehow sneak your way
in and I discover you later,you're not going to be dealing with your

(59:21):
local police department. You're going tobe dealing with me, and it's going
to be direct, and you're notgoing to like how I deal with you.
That much, I can guarantee.But that's the way that I've found,
after years of being hunted and peopletry and come after me, that's
the only approach to deal with thesepeople. They don't recognize the law,
they're not afraid of law enforcement.What they do recognize and are afraid of

(59:43):
is someone that can take them outwithout even trying to. So I don't
want to be that guy. Idon't want to do that, but I
will do whatever is necessary to notonly protect the people in my organization and
their families, but also to protectthe girls and the children that we are
out there in the field rescuing.Absolutely, that's absolutely the heart of it

(01:00:07):
right there, right is protecting theinnocent victims for sure. Have you had
people that have infiltrated that are wolvesand sheep's clothing, so to speak,
who are actually traffickers themselves to tryto gain access to their prior victim.
We have had a couple of encounterslike that and it didn't last very long
and they didn't make it very far. Wow, I said. One of

(01:00:30):
the things that I was trained inback the day is how to read people.
And you combine that with the HolySpirit speaking to me, and you
know, me being able to notjust rely on my instincts but listen to
him when he's talking. You're notgoing to make it very far that much,
I can reassure you, and thenI will deal with you in whatever
manner I have to to make sureyou stay far away from the people I'm

(01:00:52):
protecting. Right A man, that'sawesome. Praise God for your ministry.
So folks go to our Agelministries ninetyone dot com. Ar C H A
N G E L M I NI S t R I E S ninety
one dot com. I'll put thatin the show notes. Jason and his
wife Janis have an amazing ministry tohelp these human trafficking victims and pray for

(01:01:15):
them, donate to them, becomeinvolved, help the least of these.
As Jesus said, whatever you dothe least of these, you've done unto
me, and and we definitely wantto heal the Body of Christ and the
new members of the Body of Christwho are being rescued from these these horribly
abusive situations. So Jason, canthey also send you a friend request or

(01:01:36):
send you a message on Facebook?Jesus, I mean, the easiest way
to find me on Facebook is JasonChristopher. I mean, I'm on there.
I've become a bit of a memelord here in the last year just
because I have a very cheesy,sarcastic sense of humor. So you get
a lot of that on my Facebookpage. But I'm always available, and

(01:01:57):
you know, people can reach outto me via Facebook and you know,
ask questions or reach out to methat way if they don't want to go
through the website. So yeah,I don't mind that at all. Awesome,
awesome, Well, thank you somuch for your valuable time tonight and
sharing your testimonial and how people canhelp these human trafficking victims. Really appreciate
you. Do you have any lastwords or thoughts or messages to people listening

(01:02:21):
or watching, Well, as faras wisdom goes is the best thing I
can tell you is do not fallfor the snare of the victim mentality,
because that will defeat you and keepyou bound in Yes, yes, yes,
embrace the fight, embrace warriorhood,take a stance quite against those who

(01:02:44):
would keep you in chains. Theonly other thing I will say is,
you know, the conference is ago. It's coming up in May.
It's going to be in Houston.So if that's something that your guys interest,
just keep an eye on the websiteand I should have you know,
available ticket purches as well as alist of the people that are confirmed for

(01:03:04):
the event here. Hopefully within thenext week I'll be gi my tech guys
and stuff and hopefully we'll get allthat sorted out. So just keep an
eye on the website and as soonas everything's live, you'll be able to
find everything that you need there.Yeah, also be great, absolutely so
great to go. I wish Icould go I wish I had more paid

(01:03:24):
time off to go. Well,I could. I could do the time
off, I just can't afford theflight, right, I understand. Thank
you so much Jason and Don foryour time tonight. You're very welcome,
happy to be. It was niceto actually meet you. I've seen seen
you on certain podcasts and videos,and it was nice to actually meet you.

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So I realized Ye're right about myoldest son's age. So well,
it's nice to meet you. I'malways happy to meet new people and try
to help out ever i can.Yeah, I have seen your wife in
the chat room on Through the Blackmost like, Yeah, I think I've
seen her. She knows she wouldknow me as truth to be told.

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Okay, yeah, awesome, allright, Yes, it is great to
finally meet you, albeit not inperson. But this is I guess the
second thing. Yeah right right,And I've seen you in your interviews for
the last twos or three years orwhat have you, and it's amazing to
finally talk to you. And andI was trying to brush up on your
story, you know, the lastfew days, like trying to binge watch

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all your prior conversations with people.So it's great to finally meet you.
So we're really one hundred percent believe, wholeheartedly with what you and Jennies are
doing. So thank you so much. Well, thank you so much.
Yeah, pardon me, I said. I appreciate you guys having me.
Thanks, it was a pleasure andhonor. Thank you so much, Jason,
Thank you so much for listening orwatching the Cross Files podcast. I'm

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Jerry and this is my co host, don Bye. Have a wonderful morning,
afternoon, or evening and have astrange and spiritfilled day and the cross
with you.