August 9, 2024 • 62 mins
Hey there, fellow podcast listeners! In this captivating episode, we're excited to bring you a special treat – a video presentation from the renowned scholar, Dr. Judd Burton. Dr. Burton, known for his groundbreaking work at the Institute of Biblical Anthropology
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invites you to join him as he delves into the fascinating realm of preternatural entities. Prepare to be enlightened and challenged as he explores the deeper connection between ancient folklore and the biblical worldview. You can watch the full video presentation at: https://youtu.be/Xhe7R6TIVgo?si=VKPsBCEj33lH1Mlp
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invites you to join him as he delves into the fascinating realm of preternatural entities. Prepare to be enlightened and challenged as he explores the deeper connection between ancient folklore and the biblical worldview. You can watch the full video presentation at: https://youtu.be/Xhe7R6TIVgo?si=VKPsBCEj33lH1Mlp
Don't miss this opportunity to expand your understanding of the supernatural and discover the profound insights that Dr. Burton has to share. Be sure to follow the show and leave a 5-star review so that others can discover this thought-provoking content. To support the show, be considered as a guest to share your stories and insights, or to submit prayer requests, please visit https://crossfiles.org/
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
It involves a biblical perspective, biblical consideration of some of
the major you know, monster figures in world mythology and
world folklore, such as the vampire, the werewolf, the ghoul,
the revenant. You know, some of the main general categories
(00:27):
are the ones that I cover in the courses in
that program, and it I easily have twice as many
students in that program as as any of my other programs.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
This is a Cross Files podcast brilliantly blending enlightenment and engagement.
This thought provoking show explores ancient and modern topics through
a biblical lens, offering listeners a fresh perspective on historical mysteries,
spiritual encounters, and current events with a focus on the supernatural.
Your hosts, Michael and Jerry bring a unique insightful viewpoint,
(01:07):
encouraging listeners to embrace the spiritual significance behind the veil.
Join them on a fascinating journey to broaden your horizons
and uncover the supernatural aspects of life.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Welcome to the Cross Files Podcast and also we're known
as the Strange Clock Podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
And I'm Jerry Michael here and we've.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Got our awesome special guest tonight doctor Jed Burton and
just a case you don't know. Doctor Jed has a
PhD and history focus in history of Religions, Early Christianity
and Greco Roman religions, a dissertation titled Religion, Society and
Sacred Space a Religious History of Benias and so Sarah
(02:01):
Philippi twenty one BC to a d sixteen thirty five
and MA in Anthropology in history and a BA in history,
and his areas of focus and interest is history of Religions,
biblical history, nepheline, grigory, demonology, formation of Early Church, mythology,
prehistory and Roman Near East. And he is the older
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and founder of the Institute of Biblical Anthropology with awesome,
amazing classes. Welcome doctor jud And it's been too long
since we've chatted, the last time sometime in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yes, thank you for having me. I'm glad to be here, Nard.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yes, I'm really glad to talk to you again. Jud
and big blessings to you and all the things that
you're facing. Coming from a spiritual warfare type background here
in ministry with Derek Prince Ministries and background, just detecting
seeing a lot of pressure put on this on the
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fringe Christian movement, and you yourself being one of the
few that actually has the PhD and the brings kind
of makes everybody else look a little bit less crazy
in this field. From the Fringe radio network, I just
wanted to kind of touch base, see what's the latest
projects books. Obviously there's courses that people can take to
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learn quite a few topics here, from Biblical anthropology, Biblical terminology,
preternatural morphology, mythology, ancient ear, Eastern civilization, Mediterranean civilization, like
the real thing, not just like hearsay vampires and clickbait
on YouTube, like real education, valuable work here. I think
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one of the things I wanted to ask is just
where do you see us in the Where have we
come from? Where we are and where are we going
as far as this whole movement, because I see you
as a real pillar and a leader, and I know
that you're swinging your sword and cutting through the darkness, brother,
and it's it's awesome to see a valiant warrior. And
(04:12):
we want to just kind of attract people to know,
you know, what can what can they expect to get
when they're listening to your work? And and where do
you see because we're on this ship together. I see
a lot of us podcasters workers in different fields, and
here's a chance to just kind of let's set the
course of where's this direction headed. And you're very educated intellecture.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Right, Well, the I think we're entering into a period
of off if you can apply the word to it.
I think I think we're entering into a period of
where we're able to quantify a lot more or of
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what has been dubbed historically as supernatural, preternatural, paranormal. It
seems to me that it's not just a matter of
accessibility of information. In other words, let's say in eighteen hundred,
if somebody saw a UAP or UFO, the dissemination of
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that siding would be comparatively slow to what it would
be today. I mean, people get a siding and almost
immediately it's up on the internet somewhere, whether it's a
hoax or whether it's a legitimate thing. So I'm couching
what I'm about to say in those terms, because we're
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to point now to where the recurrence, you know, the
rapidity of paranormal supernatural phenomena are occurring that we're in
my mind, we're entering into a period of a kind
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of mapping, more thorough mapping or or taxonomy of the
unseen realm, as doctor Hauser would have put it. And
so that that's certainly part of one of the things
that's happening. But that both of you alluded to that
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the fact that so much of this topic has been
common dared by the New Age movement and occult circles,
esoteric circles. But it turns out that, of course the
Bible has a lot of commentary obviously on these kinds
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of phenomena, and the understanding of these phenomena from a
Biblical perspective is not just culturally irrelevant, and it's not
just relevant for the sake of collating knowledge, but it's
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relevant ministerially. It's relevant to the world that we live
in if we're to engage and make disciples of Christ
of people. This is part of the necessary discussion that
has to be had, particularly with people from other religious walks,
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new Age, esoteric, occult world and the fact of the matter,
one of the things that makes us so exciting is
that those folks are already primed and ready to have
the sort of divine council worldview discussion or the the
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you know, the fringe Christian discussion. They're already you're already
thinking along those terms, and so whatever appellation we want
to put to this movement within the church, the fringe
Christian movement or whatever, I see that as as really
the vanguard of just in terms of missional ministerial work,
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because that's the large pool of it's addressing topically, the
large pool of people in the world who are ready
to have a conversation like that, and so it's a
right mission field, both domestically and abroad. But just to
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sort of tie that up, I think that that we're
on the cusp of a turning point of sorts, and
not just in in prophetic terms of of where the
world is going and the increase in paranormal phenomena, but
also to juxtapose against that the the opportunities for ministry
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that are actually popping up. You know, we're literally left
and right. So I think that there's a lot of
there's a lot of opportunity there, but there's also there's
also a necessity to be properly prepared. Two, to embrace
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different perspectives on the Bible that sometimes sometimes don't job
will with denominational tradition. In other words, we've we've the
tendency has been to to think that, you know, within
our own denominational sort of corners, that that our traditions
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a lot up you know, most congruently with biblical you know,
the Biblical context. And that's not always the case. And
so that that's another sort of turning point I see
happening right now, is that people, a lot of people
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in this space are are hungry for the context of
the Bible because that's where the that's where the real
theology is. It's not somewhat not that all all church
traditions are you know, heretical or a theological, but that's
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that's where the foundational, real theology is in the context.
And it was part of the impetus of of founding
the Institute of Biblical Anthropology because that that context, you know,
the the audience that the books of the Bible were
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originally written to the world in which that literature springs
to life. That doesn't always register in in a lot
of translations of the Bible today, and and consequently in
a lot of of literature that's that's used for education
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in the church. And we're we know now, especially after
the last couple of decades of work, scholarly work, that
there's a lot of there's a lot of this nuance
and and ancient thinking, mythological thinking that exists in the
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Bible that we've sort of sort of glanced over and
missed out in, you know, for one reason or the other.
So there, in my my estimation, there are lots of
exciting things taking place right now, necessary things I think
that are taking place right now, but the work is
far from over. I think a lot of of what's
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taking place in in freench circles has a missional trajectory
for the Church. And this is something that that you know,
doctor Mike Eiser talked about on any number of occasions, uh,
And that I think that's even you know, it's it's
more relevant, you know, month by month, year by year,
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and so the more that we can engage with with
thinking about the Bible in these terms and and applying
it to the world that we live in, I think
that that's that's really the that's really the great commission
trajectory of our our age at this point in church history.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
At basically.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Thank you doctor Jed, excuse me, thank you doctor Jud
for that. I appreciate that, doctor Jud. How long ago
did you start the Institute of Biblical Anthropology? And what
are your top two or three classes that students are
most interested in signing up and taking and such?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well, the institute actually came out of my dissertation work
a little bit. My dissertation is on Bonias or Peneus,
and one of the books that was birth out of that,
aside from my dissertation was Interview with the Giant. Because
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I kept running into all these questions that I couldn't
really directly address in my dissertation, but I was like,
there's a lot of material here, and I would write
these little culture sketches and just sort of set them aside,
and that eventually became Interview with the Giant. And one
of the things that I that I ended up doing
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was testing using anthropological models to test specifically that you know,
the topic of giants in the bibble and see what
else can be gleaned out rather than just taking the strict,
you know, superficial read of the text or or the
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historical or or you know, philological but you know whatever.
I had not really seen anthrological models used in that manner.
And so that's sort of how that book came about.
And I felt led at the time to develop some
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sort of of framework for that, some sort of of venue,
I guess you might say, for for that specif if
it kind of reached research, you know, the that combined
both the quote unquote conventional biblical scholarship with you know,
(15:10):
more unorthodox approaches to scripture or what would could be
considered fringe. I guess suppose today and what God was
was kind of revealing to me at the time, is that, Okay,
this needs to be a kind of Sunday School meets
the X Files approach to biblical scholarship. Yes, And so
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I've created a website and laid the groundwork for it,
you know, at that point in time, and I didn't
really know exactly what to do because I was what
to do with it because at the time I was
(15:56):
I was teaching anthropology and archaeology and and humanity is
at a local university and was just about to take
a tenure track position in another college, and so I thought,
at some point this would be a great venue to
(16:17):
teach classes on these topics from. And so I experimented
a little bit with that I picked up a few
students and created a couple of classes, and at one
point in time, Mike Heiser and I were we developed
an online school called the Institute of Paranormal and Preternational
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Studies or something something like that, and we picked up
a few students, and I think that both of us
at the time had really kind of had too much
on our plates. You know. I had a full course
load that I was teaching at the college, and Mike
was still at Logos at the time and had his
hands full of a half dozen things. So we agreed
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that we revisited after a while. And so I as
I went on during the course of my my job
at the college at the time, I was literally witnessing
the degradation of higher education under the auspices of postmodernism,
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which was something that I had been watching my entire career.
It was very disheartening because it was something that I
had had cherished, you know, at one point in time,
and it's really all all that I had ever wanted
to be was a history professor. But the philosophical and
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ethical framework that so much of of higher education had
fallen and against, we're just becoming more and more counter
to my own beliefs and own compulsions as a Christian,
as a believer, and so God began to lay on
my heart that you know, I needed to preserve the
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rigor of scholarship and in academic pursuit, but it would
be in a different venue. And so I revisited the
institute and felt more and more led to make that
my primary focus, that my research and teaching energies needed
to be focused more on this, and so in twenty twenty,
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that became my full time pursuit. My research and writing
and teaching you know, via conferences and podcasts and appearances
in YouTube and things like that became my primary mode
of teaching and research. And in terms of the coursework
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that I offer, without a doubt, the most popular program
that I have right now is the Preternatural Morphology program.
This is what Derrek Gilbert has affectionately dug my Monster's
one O one course, and it involves a biblical perspective,
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biblical consideration of some of the major you know, monster
figures in world mythology and world focal or such as
the vampire, the werewolf, the ghoul, the revenant, you know,
some of the main general categories are the ones that
I cover and the courses in that program, and it
(19:57):
I easily have twice as many students in that program
as as any of our other programs, and I think
in large part it's because of how it's related to
how we started the program. Today, it's because we're you know,
people are having more experiences with these preternatural entities, and
preternatural means that there is both a physical and a
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supernatural or spiritual component to these things, and that's very
much in line with you know, the Genesis six model.
Clearly the the Watchers were able to maniest spirit, were
able to manipulate matter in some some way, shape or form,
and that that legacy has continued, you know, throughout these
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these demonic manifestations throughout the course of history. And so yeah,
definitely the preternatural morphology class is a hot topic. And
because it's a relevant topic, it's when you consider how
much of not just how much of Jesus' ministry was
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devoted to spiritual warfare and demonic deliverance and things like that,
but how much the Bible itself, you know, from cover
to cover, really speaks about the existence of these In
some cases with great specificity about the existence of these
kinds of entities and their manifestations. Yes. Secondly, probably the
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the next most popular course program is the flagship program
Biblical Anthropology, because it covers such a swath of things.
It's it's again, it's an anthropological historical look at the
Biblical world. And and there are classes that that cover
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sort of the conventional history and geography and culture of
the Biblical world. But then there are something that give
you a taste of of what you might find in
in the mythology courses or the the preternatural morphology coursework
classes like demonology classes like giantology. Probably it's probably neck
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and neck in terms of the second most popular, because
I also have a demonology program, and that that coursework
goes without saying that that's pertinent, you know, for people
who are interested in this sort of ministerial work in
biblical study. But you know, I have the other three
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programs have students in them as well. I found that
a number of homeschoolers have been really interested in the
classical uh yeah, I mean Mediterranean civilization and the Ancient
Near Eastern civilization programs. Uh. Simply because I'm certainly giving
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the broad scope history of both of those those regions,
but I'm also tying them into what pertinence they have
to the Bible, and basically for every culture that I
look at with within those within those programs, for instance,
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like if you're taking the Mediterranean Civilization UH program, you're
going to look at the the pre Greek civilizations, You're
gonna look at at the Minoans and the mice and ants,
but you're also going to see what relevance they have
to the biblical world. And there's a there are components
for the the the study of their their mythological and
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religious beliefs, which sort of brings it into the realm
of being more equipped for spiritual warfare because those entities
that were worshiped by a lot of these cultures are
still active in the world today. And of course the
classical Greeks and the Romans from the time of the
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the regal period and it's founding until the end of
the Imperial period are also also covered. And I think
there that's an important thing, an important topic to study,
not just for Christians but also for people in general,
because so much of our lens for looking at older
things in the ancient areas for instance, or even prehistory
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is the classical world. You know a lot of a
lot of what happens during the the Greco Roman era.
It is not only preserved, but it's kind of the
lens that we look at because those cultures have affected
our institutions, They've affected the very languages that we speak,
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and so it's important I think. I think in large
part we've gotten away from the classical paradigms in education.
I'm not just talking about higher education. I'm not talking
about K twelve education too. Public education is largely jettison
those concepts. And the kind of classical education I'm talking
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about that they've jettison was the kind that was married
to Judeo Christian values, and that's been the basis for
education in Western civilization for centuries until we get to
the twentieth century, and it's jettison in favor of this
sort of The classroom is a laboratory for the latest
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testing of the latest fad educational theory approach to education.
We're reaping the world wind right now because of that.
And that's another thing that I'm trying to do with
the Institute of Biblical Anthropology is to is to emphasize
those classical methods, the pursuit of of of truth, goodness,
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and beauty. Those are the classical of compulsions and foundations
in that system of education. And what the early Church
fathers did with this is they recognized that there were
there was some value in the Greek system and they
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married that with with Christian values, with Christian tradition, with
Christian theology. But obviously we've gotten so far away from
that in education that we're we are paying a hefty
toll as a society on a cultural level because of it,
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and if we don't, if we don't change it soon,
the damage is going to be irreparable. I would say
that we're right at the threshold at this point. And
again that's that's one of the other you know, elements
of impetus that compelled me to start the Institute of
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Biblical Anthropology. You're taken in the direction that I have.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
There's so much to comment on what you were laying
out here for us, doctor, but I would like to
just say, as a homeschooler and someone that I thought
I was going to go and you know, study with
the guy that had the GK. Chesterton Award in two
thousand and two, and then God promptly promptly sent me
into the mission field and just came back after twenty
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years in Asia, and I could just say from boots
on the ground experience from Nepal to Thailand to Taiwan,
that all the research that you're putting forth, we're all
kind of mirrying in together here with these different projects.
The intelligence that you're doing, which I thought I wanted
to do, God was like, Nope, going out there, you're
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more like zany, wacky, you know, charismic whatever for me.
But you're doing the dream that I hoped that I
would do such great eloquent English here that I hope
to homeschool my kids to come and to learn from you.
So even though I'm not sitting down reading all the
books that are coming through here, this is literally, in
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my mind, it is a monastery of wisdom. As we're
seeing society, especially Western Judeo Christian society, just melt down everywhere.
I mean, where do you even go? What do you
teach your kids? Here? We have libraries and living breathing schools.
Doctor Judd is birthing new Michael Heiser's guys that are
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gonna go and start their own teaching fields and research
and archaeology. And I mean you're also a boots on
the ground researcher. You go out there and you do stuff,
and now you're bringing this together. Mind is blown. I'm
just so thankful for you and you're wisdom and foresight,
and I also hope that you'll get some rest. Don't
take on too much more than you know. Let them
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young whipper snapper boys take some of the grindstone work,
you know, because we need your brother, we need your voice.
You're extremely prolific online, willing to do interviews obviously, such
as this one in the brief time that we have.
I guess as we see the whole alien let's talk
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aliens for a second, if it's okay, just as we're
seeing this now come out really seriously this time, guys,
not just like the Vatican is talking about it in
a very practical way, spiritual warfare is speaking. How do
we deal with the reality of these preter natural beings?
According to the understand I mean, boil it down for
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the layperson here. Do we invite an alien over for dinner?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (30:16):
No? Maybe you know what would be doing all this?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah? I would, I would not recommend that that's good.
The the the problem here is is recognition of recognition
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of what what relevance and how something like the UFO
fits into our paradox as Christians in the state and age.
That's a real challenge. I understand that. I get that
because we're so even in church circles, we've been materialized
and naturalize, you know, by those various philosophies, you know,
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since the nineteenth century and really even going back to
the Enlightenment period, you know, in the eighteenth century, when
there's this transition from you know, religion as the authority
or supernaturalism as the authority, and now empiricism and what
can be proven by observe, you know, just strict observation
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becomes the prevailing paradigm. We live with a legacy of
those philosophies, and they've not always been productive or beneficial
in church circles, in particular because the Bible lays out
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a supernatural worldview. You know, I don't think I think
even the most staunch materialist has to concede that that
there's the people that the Bible that God directed to
write the Bible believed that. But beyond that, how do
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you bring something like aliens or the or UFOs or
whatever into a venue of relevance for the church, Well,
you do that by examining the the nature, the observable nature,
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I guess if you want to use empiricism of what
UFOs are capable of, but more specifically the reported behavior
and demeanor and even agenda that these entities have with
regard to humanity. And again it becomes in terms of
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the accounts of encounters. It becomes a kind of of
statistical issue because even if, even if, even if most
of the accounts are fabricated, if I can quote Mike
Heiser again, you know, it only takes one of those
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accounts being legitimate to bust the paradox. Now, I like
he believed that, and others in the circle, other researcher
believe that they're inordinately more that are represent real encounters,
just as there are reports throughout the ages of encounters
with things like vampires and wear wolves and all matter
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are preterdactural amenities that those represent real experiences in space
and time, just as the ones that are occurring in
more recent decades in this age. Excuse me, what what
are we to make of this? From a spiritual perspective, well,
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I think again, it's the examination of the motives and behavior,
the reported behavior of these entities, which is has not
been beneficent towards humanity. I mean, these things clearly don't
treat people with grace and care and something that you
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would expect, at least an ethically driven sentient entity. You
would not expect the sort of behavior, much less the
kind of violent, violating kind of experiences that a lot
of people have physically when they encounter these entities. And
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people are traumatized and scarred and spiritually wounded because of
these experiences. And again it's the it's it's the measured
task of a leaver to minister to those people and
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to be christ Like towards them, to be the Jesus
that they see. That's why I say that missionally, this
is very relevant for the church because you know, there
are even even Christians that encounter these entities that have
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you know, a broad range of negative experiences with them.
So we can't really afford to embrace naturalism in the
way that we have in the past because it becomes
a tool for dismissal, it becomes a rationale off for
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dismissing things that seemingly go beyond our imagination, and that
stems from in my opinion here is you know, we're
talking about quantification of the supernatural, if such a thing
as possible. But I think that a lot of that
stems from the lack of biblical literacy that's just rampant. Now.
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Literacy in general, just from a general educational perspective, has
drastically declined, specifically in our society. Yes, the correlating relative
element here for us in the Church is that biblical
literacy has also declined. What encourages me is that there
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is a burning hunger for studying the Bible in fringe
Christian circles. There's a burning hunger to better understand the
context of the Bible and embrace the supernaturalism of the Bible,
which is what we what what many people actually in
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past ages have been able to do even without the
benefits of everything that we have, all the biblical study
tools that are available at the touch of a button,
all of all of the Now you can lay down
good money for some of these sources, but much of
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it is absolutely free, and people just don't avail themselves
of it, And so we live in this weird juxtaposition,
you know, when the availability of biblical material is just
staggering in comparison to later ages. But in earlier ages,
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I can remember, you know, like I can remember my
grandmother reading the Bible free equently often every day every year.
She read the Bible through from cover to cover, in
addition to you know, whatever devotional or or study she
was doing. And so I can remember, I can remember
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even even the generation before last from my perspective, having
a without the benefit of all the biblical study tools
that we have, even without knowing the context. And we're
talking about heavy reliance in the Holy Spirit as your
commentary here, just this vast you know, biblical knowledge. You
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know where they were literally able to pull chapter in verse,
you know, on a on a whim. Really, that's that
is less present in church circles today. And this sort
of feel good, postmodernized, you know version of Christianity that
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we have so rampant today. But we have to turn
back to one of the disciplines of the faith, which
is which we're encouraged and admonished in the Bible to embrace.
We're to prove ourselves by studying. We're to be transformed
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by the renewing of our mind. This isn't just hop
verbally or poetry. It's directive. And the more familiar we
are with our own source material, the better we're going
to be able to understand the supernatural realities that push
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the boundaries of naturalism and materialism that are so pertinent
to believers. We can no longer afford to be super
naturally selected. We can't treat them the Bible as a
buffet table. We can't look at passages that challenge us
and we don't agree with and just peripheralize them. We can't.
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We can't rely on just just a bubble government interpretation
of the Bible. It's got to be in context. It's
got to be to be made relevant for our times,
and that involves understanding the supernaturalism of the Bible and
the fact that it's a reality. Amen another here's another
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reason why I think anthropology is so valuable to where
where the French community is taking biblical studies or where
our attention is going. We live in a day and
age when that our technology is sort of pushing the
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bounds of imagine, not sort of, but it is pushing
the bounds of imagination. And I always go back to
the work that anthropologists in the early and mid twentieth
century were doing. You know, they were going out and
studying peoples that that still had a kind of mythological mindset,
you know, people that were basically non literate, but they
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were and they were also kind of living a Stone
Age kind of existence, and so they viewed knowledge categories
in vastly different ways than modern, you know, industrialized society was.
And I always thought that the work of brandisau Melanoski,
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who studied the Trobrian Valid Islanders in the South Pacific,
was really interesting. He wrote a number of books. One
of them was Science, Magic and Religion, I think was
the title. But this sentiment began to be echoed by
other anthropologists and the work that they were doing, to
feel is that they didn't separate what they saw as
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hard technology from something that was that we might consider
strictly magical or you know, within the purview of of
superstition or something something of that nature. And I think
even even authors like Arthur C. Clark, you know, touched
on stuff like this in books like Childhood's in where
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he said, you know, a to a sufficiently technologically inferior species.
You know that that other species with greater technology, that
would all seem like magic. You know, it would seem
their technology would seem, you know, like it pushed the
bounds of what was was realistically possible. Well, with advances
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that we're making in today, in things like genetics and
quantum physics, they're that sharp line that are our naturalistic
you know, paradigms make us draw between the supernatural and
the physical, kind of blurring a little bit. Because when
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you consider something like a quantum computer that literally dumps
its questions into another dimension to retrieve this. You know,
where does technology begin in quote unquote magic or supernaturalism
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begin in an equation like that, I don't know. I
don't know that there's a distinction at that point. Likewise,
in the fields of genetics. Just down the road from me,
you know where I'm about to move actually in Dallas,
there's a company called Colossal Biosciences, and they're about to
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create a herd of mammoths to reintroduce into Siberia. Oh
my gosh, they are. They're also taking orders for what
they have what I believe euphemistically dubbed how do they
want it?
Speaker 5 (44:30):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Custom biologics, I think, is the words that they now
they also want amongst other things, they also plan to
do this with hominids like Neanderthal.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Oh my goodness, wow. Interesting.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
We're to point now where, you know, what anthropologists have
have traditionally observed in the history of that discipline, and
even what what's you know, historians and filologists and any
number of scholars who have applied anthropology to the ancient
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world are looking at now that the sharp dividing life
between magic and science is really kind of artificial, and
to a degree, ancient peoples and predhistoric people's understood that
they certainly wouldn't have made those distinctive categories like we would.
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And so that's another reason why I think the application
of these anthropological models two topics of relevance to the
Church are important in this day and age because we're
entering into a period where people are I believe are
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literally not because they've been so conditioned by postmodernism and naturalism.
It's going to be very difficult for them on a spiritual,
much less psychological level to accept what their eyes are
actually showing them, to accept, you know, the highest strangeness
which we're just you know, we're now just seeing the
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twitching of the veil, you know, to put it in
that context. Well, and what what is the salve? What
is the tool that makes makes all this processable? The Bible?
We have to return, We have to return to what
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was the word that you use, monastic? We we we
have to almost return to a kind of monastic zeal
for scripture, uh, into which we're consumed and you know,
and absorbed in studying the word because that it is.
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It's the word, It's God's message to this and it
contains the nuance and the context that we need to
make sense of what's going on in the world today.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Amen, excuse me, doctor Jed. You touched on some things
that I was boiling in my mind about. Okay, what
can I ask doctor Jed next? And I was thinking
about different shows and movies that had actual accurate depiction
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or portrayal of these different entities and creatures. You mentioned
Childhood's End, and I thought, segue, great, so I didn't
watch Childhood that I didn't watch Childhood's End. However, I
know it's what people would say is science fiction or
sci fi, So we know that the line between sci
fi and sci fact has blurred in such the two
(47:52):
are have merged together, or maybe there really wasn't a
dividing line between the two.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
So what shows or movies.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Do you think Doctor Jedd are have an accurate depiction
or portrayal of these different creatures and entities like vampires
or zombies or cryptids or what have you.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Mm hm, well, there's certainly those out there. I think
that the Netflix series Midnight Mass is really one of
the most accurate depictions of vamporism and how easily people
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can be fooled by the demonic because it can even
masquerade around in the church.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
Is something holy Midnight Mass? Yeah, okay, I haven't seen that.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
It's an eight part mini series and it's lots of
lots of interesting Divine Council stuff. Now, another movie that
I had had seen shortly after it came out, but
I recently rewatched it, and there's a lot of bizarre,
(49:04):
even divine Council kind of stuff in it is Cowboys
and Aliens. Oh yeah, I was definitely that I did
not pick up on initially. How did I How in
the world did I miss this stuff the first time
that I saw it? But yeah, without a doubt for Vamporism.
(49:29):
I still think Midnight Mass is probably one of the best.
I was completely shocked by how well it was done,
and I found myself asking, you know, asking myself, how
in the world did something like this. I mean, it's
a Netflix production. I mean, we know, we know what
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kind of of you know, conditioning, you know, and programming
is embedded in a lot of Netflix production, a lot
of productions in general today. But I was, I was
just shocked and amazed at how well it was done.
(50:09):
There had to be somebody, whether they were a Christian
or a believer or not, had to be familiar with
this material to make make those connections with the vampire story. Wow.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
Interesting, fascinating.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Michael.
Speaker 5 (50:29):
Yeah, just I know, with the interests of your precious
time to your brother, just to kind of uh for
the people that that may have been listening to since
the Doctor Future days, since you know, Michael Heiser was
on Doctor Michael Heiser was on Yeah, Past the Coast,
you know. I just recently listened to reposted that, sure,
and then to see you carrying on this torch. And
(50:52):
I've been a big fan of a number of different
collaborations that you've done, and I again I recommend anybody
with it's think about your sons daughters, like, don't send
her to university. It's possible. Get get some training on
doctor Jud's institute here. Get get some real knowledge here,
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because we are going into a time of the monasteries.
We already are in that. I think people just don't
realize that yet. Homesteading, you know, I'm learning how to
make sour dough bread and herd goats and all kinds
of stuff, making homemade kimchi, because you know in America
is garbage.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
You know, all of this is not This is not
necessarily a bad thing, you know. I mean I grew
up around gardening and farmsteads and things like that, so
I'll know. I mean it's it's not necessarily a bad thing.
I think it's a necessary thing too. Because if I
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can make an allusion to another science fiction work that's
actually been poorly adapted recently in my estimation, but Frank
Herbert's Dune, the backstory to Dune is basically that which
is also very relevant. The backstory is that humanity created
artificial intelligence, and basically AI and the robots took over
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and humanity had to revolt against artificial intelligence. And this
is of course thousands of years before the Dune story itself,
but you know, I mean, it was a capital crime
in the Dune universe to create artificial intelligence. And basically
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what happens in the wake of this revolt is humans
realized that they had handed over so much of their
thinking and tasks, that they had degraded to such a
level that they had to develop schools to retrainhumans, to
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retrain the human mind, to retrain the human body. And
basically the overarching goal of all of these schools was
to to emphasize human development. It's kind of reminiscent of
kind of reminiscent of of you know, in Christian circles.
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When we hear the words humanism, it's gotten kind of
a bad rap. But there was actually a Christian humanism
that came out of the Renaissance. It was very, very
valuable in terms of Biblical scholarship. But there's a kind
of humanism implicit in these schools in Frank Herbert's backstory,
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that human potential and human achievement, you know, in other words,
for instance, there there's a school called the Mentats that
develops out of all of this, and humans are trained
to basically do mathematical operations that computers had done at
one point in time. And so that's an extreme example.
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But the analog I think is very pertinent to kind
of the direction that a lot of you know, education
and self sufficiency and that sort of thing that a
lot of us are trying to do to bring things
back to a kind of equilibrium.
Speaker 5 (54:30):
Because you mentioned the word analog and hold that thought
just there's a turn two analog computing that's quietly being
spoken about right now, which I think would be excellent.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
I agree. I mean, you know, my dad's a machinist,
and I hear about all the problems that the machining
industry and industrial industry has with so called engineers. You know,
I've heard. I've heard his woes, you know, for over
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ten years now about you know, engineers that couldn't do
the math necessary to you know, by the time the
blueprints got to him, He's like, well you can't physically
make this part, but yes, you've not designed it properly.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
You've not.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
I mean, you just you wouldn't expect that from people
that are claiming to be engineers, and yet that's that's happening.
You know in our day and time, and I realize
that's just one field. But one of the things I
think we're going to have to do in the coming
years is to you know, you know, within of course,
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within the Biblical paradigm, within the scope of the Bible,
within our beliefs. It is to is to set ourselves
back towards you know what human potential. You know, we need,
we need to put those high bars back in place.
That would you know that once got it our society
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and those high bars were all based in this this
Judeo Christian ethic that we had embraced for centuries, and
so I think a return to that in these sort
of parallel economies and parallel education that are are emerging now.
I think that that's going to be very important.
Speaker 5 (56:23):
Well, very excellent wisdom share today. And uh just I
really appreciate you, brother, and I recommend everybody to go
to the Institute of Biblical Anthropology doctor doctor jud Burton
dot com.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
That's j U D D b u R actually n
dot com. Actually that that side is kind of in
a holding pattern right now. If folks will go to
Burtonbeyond dot net, the information and and all of the
all you need to register for classes and body programs
is all there? Uh, if people will click the drop
(56:57):
down menu and go to courses and membership everything, all
the descriptions are laid out there.
Speaker 3 (57:04):
Burton beyond dot com, everybody, bur doctor jud Burton will
take you beyond.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Dot nets dot net.
Speaker 4 (57:12):
Burton beyond dot net.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
We'll have that in the show notes, everybody, Okay, Burton
beyond dot net. And I saw that there is a membership,
and I was thinking about signing up, even though I
might be able to sign up, like I mean, even
though I might not be able to start a class
right away, but I was thinking about the monthly membership.
So it's is it twenty five or.
Speaker 4 (57:33):
Thirty dollars a month?
Speaker 1 (57:34):
Twenty seven seven? Is the monthly?
Speaker 3 (57:36):
Twenty seven a month? And I, you know, just between
i'll I did this out. I tried to click on
that that join link to be become a member, and
for some reason it work. Maybe my cell phone was
incompatible with the website or whatever. So if I if
I join on the web like a website on the laptop,
will it allowed me to just put in my debit
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card in there and all that stuff?
Speaker 1 (57:58):
I think? So I think I think the links, as
far as I know, they're all up to date. I'll
check on out, but everything should be up to date.
And you know, people again, if people want to do
the monthly membership, they can or they can save a
little money and buy the whole the whole course package.
(58:20):
But yeah, they're options there. Those two options are available
for potential students.
Speaker 4 (58:26):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
The classes sound amazing. I've known a few people that
have graduated from these classes and they say, it's a
wealth of knowledge that you really just amplify the Bible
and how it relates to these things that we have
just talked about. So yes, everybody go to burenbyond dot
net and uh, the Lord is really using doctor Judd
(58:49):
to open up people's eyes and hearts to these things
that that we have been previously closed to for many years.
I know that I was totally in left field, and
well not totally left it. I knew the Lord, but
I didn't have my red pill quote unquote until you know,
twenty fourteen and so, so not only is doctor jud
(59:10):
red pilled, but he is very not only intellectual, but
holy spirit guided and he has got wisdom and such.
Speaker 4 (59:20):
So thank you so much, doctor Jed.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
I know that your time is very valuable and precious
to us, so I know that you're.
Speaker 4 (59:30):
Healing in Texas.
Speaker 3 (59:31):
So I just want to say thank you all, even
though there's only one of you, So thank you so
much for your time tonight, Doctor jud We really appreciate
you very much. And we'll have this show out in
the next few weeks. We're actually running behind on several
shows here, but we are. I'm going to crank this
out as soon as possible, for sure, and I'll make
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a little video out of some of the most hard
hitting points in the video. And I know last time
we didn't we didn't have us, you know, with our
our you know, uh faces in the video.
Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
But this time, you know, we'll have we'll have.
Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Our faces in the video and everything, and it'll it'll
be great to make it illustrated, whereas before it was
just like just one flat you know, like little jpeg
and what have you. Definitely definitely excited to offer this
episode out, uh to to our listeners and what have you.
So thank you so much for blessing us with your
time tonight, doctor Jed.
Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
And yeah, thank you so much, great honor, great, my
pleasure pure.
Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Thank you, thanks so much for tuning in to the
cross Falls podcast.
Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
And I'm Jerry, I'm Michael.
Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
We have the pleasure in honor of interviewing doctor Jed
once again.
Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Thanks doctor Jued. Have a good night.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
You're most welcome.
Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
Good night, Thank you, sir, Thank you. Voice has so
much from the Michael heisers to and I dream of
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this like I'm just seeing each one of us, and
especially you guys that are actually educated and bringing some
PhDs to the table here too, and very good writing
is essential, and are are going to change the whole world.
So I guess on that front, I mean it's kind
of a broad segue into that, but just sort of
the vision from like the past, the president, in the future,
(01:01:40):
in the different projects that you're involved with, and really
where you feel the Lord is moving the whole movement,
because it is a movement, the fringe Christian movement I
really see as something completely unique and taking back stuff
that the new agers have kind of captured and tried
to claim, like the UFO phenomena and really good research
(01:02:01):
into history, project paper clip, you name it. Before the
CIA turns everybody into a bunch of flat earthers or
something
It involves a biblical perspective, biblical consideration of some of
the major you know, monster figures in world mythology and
world folklore, such as the vampire, the werewolf, the ghoul,
the revenant. You know, some of the main general categories
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are the ones that I cover in the courses in
that program, and it I easily have twice as many
students in that program as as any of my other programs.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
This is a Cross Files podcast brilliantly blending enlightenment and engagement.
This thought provoking show explores ancient and modern topics through
a biblical lens, offering listeners a fresh perspective on historical mysteries,
spiritual encounters, and current events with a focus on the supernatural.
Your hosts, Michael and Jerry bring a unique insightful viewpoint,
(01:07):
encouraging listeners to embrace the spiritual significance behind the veil.
Join them on a fascinating journey to broaden your horizons
and uncover the supernatural aspects of life.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Welcome to the Cross Files Podcast and also we're known
as the Strange Clock Podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
And I'm Jerry Michael here and we've.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Got our awesome special guest tonight doctor Jed Burton and
just a case you don't know. Doctor Jed has a
PhD and history focus in history of Religions, Early Christianity
and Greco Roman religions, a dissertation titled Religion, Society and
Sacred Space a Religious History of Benias and so Sarah
(02:01):
Philippi twenty one BC to a d sixteen thirty five
and MA in Anthropology in history and a BA in history,
and his areas of focus and interest is history of Religions,
biblical history, nepheline, grigory, demonology, formation of Early Church, mythology,
prehistory and Roman Near East. And he is the older
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and founder of the Institute of Biblical Anthropology with awesome,
amazing classes. Welcome doctor jud And it's been too long
since we've chatted, the last time sometime in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yes, thank you for having me. I'm glad to be here, Nard.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yes, I'm really glad to talk to you again. Jud
and big blessings to you and all the things that
you're facing. Coming from a spiritual warfare type background here
in ministry with Derek Prince Ministries and background, just detecting
seeing a lot of pressure put on this on the
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fringe Christian movement, and you yourself being one of the
few that actually has the PhD and the brings kind
of makes everybody else look a little bit less crazy
in this field. From the Fringe radio network, I just
wanted to kind of touch base, see what's the latest
projects books. Obviously there's courses that people can take to
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learn quite a few topics here, from Biblical anthropology, Biblical terminology,
preternatural morphology, mythology, ancient ear, Eastern civilization, Mediterranean civilization, like
the real thing, not just like hearsay vampires and clickbait
on YouTube, like real education, valuable work here. I think
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one of the things I wanted to ask is just
where do you see us in the Where have we
come from? Where we are and where are we going
as far as this whole movement, because I see you
as a real pillar and a leader, and I know
that you're swinging your sword and cutting through the darkness, brother,
and it's it's awesome to see a valiant warrior. And
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we want to just kind of attract people to know,
you know, what can what can they expect to get
when they're listening to your work? And and where do
you see because we're on this ship together. I see
a lot of us podcasters workers in different fields, and
here's a chance to just kind of let's set the
course of where's this direction headed. And you're very educated intellecture.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Right, Well, the I think we're entering into a period
of off if you can apply the word to it.
I think I think we're entering into a period of
where we're able to quantify a lot more or of
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what has been dubbed historically as supernatural, preternatural, paranormal. It
seems to me that it's not just a matter of
accessibility of information. In other words, let's say in eighteen hundred,
if somebody saw a UAP or UFO, the dissemination of
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that siding would be comparatively slow to what it would
be today. I mean, people get a siding and almost
immediately it's up on the internet somewhere, whether it's a
hoax or whether it's a legitimate thing. So I'm couching
what I'm about to say in those terms, because we're
(05:49):
to point now to where the recurrence, you know, the
rapidity of paranormal supernatural phenomena are occurring that we're in
my mind, we're entering into a period of a kind
(06:10):
of mapping, more thorough mapping or or taxonomy of the
unseen realm, as doctor Hauser would have put it. And
so that that's certainly part of one of the things
that's happening. But that both of you alluded to that
(06:32):
the fact that so much of this topic has been
common dared by the New Age movement and occult circles,
esoteric circles. But it turns out that, of course the
Bible has a lot of commentary obviously on these kinds
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of phenomena, and the understanding of these phenomena from a
Biblical perspective is not just culturally irrelevant, and it's not
just relevant for the sake of collating knowledge, but it's
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relevant ministerially. It's relevant to the world that we live
in if we're to engage and make disciples of Christ
of people. This is part of the necessary discussion that
has to be had, particularly with people from other religious walks,
(07:42):
new Age, esoteric, occult world and the fact of the matter,
one of the things that makes us so exciting is
that those folks are already primed and ready to have
the sort of divine council worldview discussion or the the
(08:06):
you know, the fringe Christian discussion. They're already you're already
thinking along those terms, and so whatever appellation we want
to put to this movement within the church, the fringe
Christian movement or whatever, I see that as as really
the vanguard of just in terms of missional ministerial work,
(08:35):
because that's the large pool of it's addressing topically, the
large pool of people in the world who are ready
to have a conversation like that, and so it's a
right mission field, both domestically and abroad. But just to
(08:57):
sort of tie that up, I think that that we're
on the cusp of a turning point of sorts, and
not just in in prophetic terms of of where the
world is going and the increase in paranormal phenomena, but
also to juxtapose against that the the opportunities for ministry
(09:22):
that are actually popping up. You know, we're literally left
and right. So I think that there's a lot of
there's a lot of opportunity there, but there's also there's
also a necessity to be properly prepared. Two, to embrace
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different perspectives on the Bible that sometimes sometimes don't job
will with denominational tradition. In other words, we've we've the
tendency has been to to think that, you know, within
our own denominational sort of corners, that that our traditions
(10:07):
a lot up you know, most congruently with biblical you know,
the Biblical context. And that's not always the case. And
so that that's another sort of turning point I see
happening right now, is that people, a lot of people
(10:28):
in this space are are hungry for the context of
the Bible because that's where the that's where the real
theology is. It's not somewhat not that all all church
traditions are you know, heretical or a theological, but that's
(10:49):
that's where the foundational, real theology is in the context.
And it was part of the impetus of of founding
the Institute of Biblical Anthropology because that that context, you know,
the the audience that the books of the Bible were
(11:10):
originally written to the world in which that literature springs
to life. That doesn't always register in in a lot
of translations of the Bible today, and and consequently in
a lot of of literature that's that's used for education
(11:30):
in the church. And we're we know now, especially after
the last couple of decades of work, scholarly work, that
there's a lot of there's a lot of this nuance
and and ancient thinking, mythological thinking that exists in the
(11:54):
Bible that we've sort of sort of glanced over and
missed out in, you know, for one reason or the other.
So there, in my my estimation, there are lots of
exciting things taking place right now, necessary things I think
that are taking place right now, but the work is
far from over. I think a lot of of what's
(12:19):
taking place in in freench circles has a missional trajectory
for the Church. And this is something that that you know,
doctor Mike Eiser talked about on any number of occasions, uh,
And that I think that's even you know, it's it's
more relevant, you know, month by month, year by year,
(12:39):
and so the more that we can engage with with
thinking about the Bible in these terms and and applying
it to the world that we live in, I think
that that's that's really the that's really the great commission
trajectory of our our age at this point in church history.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
At basically.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Thank you doctor Jed, excuse me, thank you doctor Jud
for that. I appreciate that, doctor Jud. How long ago
did you start the Institute of Biblical Anthropology? And what
are your top two or three classes that students are
most interested in signing up and taking and such?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well, the institute actually came out of my dissertation work
a little bit. My dissertation is on Bonias or Peneus,
and one of the books that was birth out of that,
aside from my dissertation was Interview with the Giant. Because
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I kept running into all these questions that I couldn't
really directly address in my dissertation, but I was like,
there's a lot of material here, and I would write
these little culture sketches and just sort of set them aside,
and that eventually became Interview with the Giant. And one
of the things that I that I ended up doing
(14:05):
was testing using anthropological models to test specifically that you know,
the topic of giants in the bibble and see what
else can be gleaned out rather than just taking the strict,
you know, superficial read of the text or or the
(14:26):
historical or or you know, philological but you know whatever.
I had not really seen anthrological models used in that manner.
And so that's sort of how that book came about.
And I felt led at the time to develop some
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sort of of framework for that, some sort of of venue,
I guess you might say, for for that specif if
it kind of reached research, you know, the that combined
both the quote unquote conventional biblical scholarship with you know,
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more unorthodox approaches to scripture or what would could be
considered fringe. I guess suppose today and what God was
was kind of revealing to me at the time, is that, Okay,
this needs to be a kind of Sunday School meets
the X Files approach to biblical scholarship. Yes, And so
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I've created a website and laid the groundwork for it,
you know, at that point in time, and I didn't
really know exactly what to do because I was what
to do with it because at the time I was
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I was teaching anthropology and archaeology and and humanity is
at a local university and was just about to take
a tenure track position in another college, and so I thought,
at some point this would be a great venue to
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teach classes on these topics from. And so I experimented
a little bit with that I picked up a few
students and created a couple of classes, and at one
point in time, Mike Heiser and I were we developed
an online school called the Institute of Paranormal and Preternational
(16:44):
Studies or something something like that, and we picked up
a few students, and I think that both of us
at the time had really kind of had too much
on our plates. You know. I had a full course
load that I was teaching at the college, and Mike
was still at Logos at the time and had his
hands full of a half dozen things. So we agreed
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that we revisited after a while. And so I as
I went on during the course of my my job
at the college at the time, I was literally witnessing
the degradation of higher education under the auspices of postmodernism,
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which was something that I had been watching my entire career.
It was very disheartening because it was something that I
had had cherished, you know, at one point in time,
and it's really all all that I had ever wanted
to be was a history professor. But the philosophical and
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ethical framework that so much of of higher education had
fallen and against, we're just becoming more and more counter
to my own beliefs and own compulsions as a Christian,
as a believer, and so God began to lay on
my heart that you know, I needed to preserve the
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rigor of scholarship and in academic pursuit, but it would
be in a different venue. And so I revisited the
institute and felt more and more led to make that
my primary focus, that my research and teaching energies needed
to be focused more on this, and so in twenty twenty,
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that became my full time pursuit. My research and writing
and teaching you know, via conferences and podcasts and appearances
in YouTube and things like that became my primary mode
of teaching and research. And in terms of the coursework
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that I offer, without a doubt, the most popular program
that I have right now is the Preternatural Morphology program.
This is what Derrek Gilbert has affectionately dug my Monster's
one O one course, and it involves a biblical perspective,
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biblical consideration of some of the major you know, monster
figures in world mythology and world focal or such as
the vampire, the werewolf, the ghoul, the revenant, you know,
some of the main general categories are the ones that
I cover and the courses in that program, and it
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I easily have twice as many students in that program
as as any of our other programs, and I think
in large part it's because of how it's related to
how we started the program. Today, it's because we're you know,
people are having more experiences with these preternatural entities, and
preternatural means that there is both a physical and a
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supernatural or spiritual component to these things, and that's very
much in line with you know, the Genesis six model.
Clearly the the Watchers were able to maniest spirit, were
able to manipulate matter in some some way, shape or form,
and that that legacy has continued, you know, throughout these
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these demonic manifestations throughout the course of history. And so yeah,
definitely the preternatural morphology class is a hot topic. And
because it's a relevant topic, it's when you consider how
much of not just how much of Jesus' ministry was
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devoted to spiritual warfare and demonic deliverance and things like that,
but how much the Bible itself, you know, from cover
to cover, really speaks about the existence of these In
some cases with great specificity about the existence of these
kinds of entities and their manifestations. Yes. Secondly, probably the
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the next most popular course program is the flagship program
Biblical Anthropology, because it covers such a swath of things.
It's it's again, it's an anthropological historical look at the
Biblical world. And and there are classes that that cover
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sort of the conventional history and geography and culture of
the Biblical world. But then there are something that give
you a taste of of what you might find in
in the mythology courses or the the preternatural morphology coursework
classes like demonology classes like giantology. Probably it's probably neck
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and neck in terms of the second most popular, because
I also have a demonology program, and that that coursework
goes without saying that that's pertinent, you know, for people
who are interested in this sort of ministerial work in
biblical study. But you know, I have the other three
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programs have students in them as well. I found that
a number of homeschoolers have been really interested in the
classical uh yeah, I mean Mediterranean civilization and the Ancient
Near Eastern civilization programs. Uh. Simply because I'm certainly giving
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the broad scope history of both of those those regions,
but I'm also tying them into what pertinence they have
to the Bible, and basically for every culture that I
look at with within those within those programs, for instance,
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like if you're taking the Mediterranean Civilization UH program, you're
going to look at the the pre Greek civilizations, You're
gonna look at at the Minoans and the mice and ants,
but you're also going to see what relevance they have
to the biblical world. And there's a there are components
for the the the study of their their mythological and
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religious beliefs, which sort of brings it into the realm
of being more equipped for spiritual warfare because those entities
that were worshiped by a lot of these cultures are
still active in the world today. And of course the
classical Greeks and the Romans from the time of the
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the regal period and it's founding until the end of
the Imperial period are also also covered. And I think
there that's an important thing, an important topic to study,
not just for Christians but also for people in general,
because so much of our lens for looking at older
things in the ancient areas for instance, or even prehistory
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is the classical world. You know a lot of a
lot of what happens during the the Greco Roman era.
It is not only preserved, but it's kind of the
lens that we look at because those cultures have affected
our institutions, They've affected the very languages that we speak,
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and so it's important I think. I think in large
part we've gotten away from the classical paradigms in education.
I'm not just talking about higher education. I'm not talking
about K twelve education too. Public education is largely jettison
those concepts. And the kind of classical education I'm talking
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about that they've jettison was the kind that was married
to Judeo Christian values, and that's been the basis for
education in Western civilization for centuries until we get to
the twentieth century, and it's jettison in favor of this
sort of The classroom is a laboratory for the latest
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testing of the latest fad educational theory approach to education.
We're reaping the world wind right now because of that.
And that's another thing that I'm trying to do with
the Institute of Biblical Anthropology is to is to emphasize
those classical methods, the pursuit of of of truth, goodness,
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and beauty. Those are the classical of compulsions and foundations
in that system of education. And what the early Church
fathers did with this is they recognized that there were
there was some value in the Greek system and they
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married that with with Christian values, with Christian tradition, with
Christian theology. But obviously we've gotten so far away from
that in education that we're we are paying a hefty
toll as a society on a cultural level because of it,
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and if we don't, if we don't change it soon,
the damage is going to be irreparable. I would say
that we're right at the threshold at this point. And
again that's that's one of the other you know, elements
of impetus that compelled me to start the Institute of
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Biblical Anthropology. You're taken in the direction that I have.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
There's so much to comment on what you were laying
out here for us, doctor, but I would like to
just say, as a homeschooler and someone that I thought
I was going to go and you know, study with
the guy that had the GK. Chesterton Award in two
thousand and two, and then God promptly promptly sent me
into the mission field and just came back after twenty
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years in Asia, and I could just say from boots
on the ground experience from Nepal to Thailand to Taiwan,
that all the research that you're putting forth, we're all
kind of mirrying in together here with these different projects.
The intelligence that you're doing, which I thought I wanted
to do, God was like, Nope, going out there, you're
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more like zany, wacky, you know, charismic whatever for me.
But you're doing the dream that I hoped that I
would do such great eloquent English here that I hope
to homeschool my kids to come and to learn from you.
So even though I'm not sitting down reading all the
books that are coming through here, this is literally, in
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my mind, it is a monastery of wisdom. As we're
seeing society, especially Western Judeo Christian society, just melt down everywhere.
I mean, where do you even go? What do you
teach your kids? Here? We have libraries and living breathing schools.
Doctor Judd is birthing new Michael Heiser's guys that are
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gonna go and start their own teaching fields and research
and archaeology. And I mean you're also a boots on
the ground researcher. You go out there and you do stuff,
and now you're bringing this together. Mind is blown. I'm
just so thankful for you and you're wisdom and foresight,
and I also hope that you'll get some rest. Don't
take on too much more than you know. Let them
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young whipper snapper boys take some of the grindstone work,
you know, because we need your brother, we need your voice.
You're extremely prolific online, willing to do interviews obviously, such
as this one in the brief time that we have.
I guess as we see the whole alien let's talk
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aliens for a second, if it's okay, just as we're
seeing this now come out really seriously this time, guys,
not just like the Vatican is talking about it in
a very practical way, spiritual warfare is speaking. How do
we deal with the reality of these preter natural beings?
According to the understand I mean, boil it down for
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the layperson here. Do we invite an alien over for dinner?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (30:16):
No? Maybe you know what would be doing all this?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah? I would, I would not recommend that that's good.
The the the problem here is is recognition of recognition
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of what what relevance and how something like the UFO
fits into our paradox as Christians in the state and age.
That's a real challenge. I understand that. I get that
because we're so even in church circles, we've been materialized
and naturalize, you know, by those various philosophies, you know,
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since the nineteenth century and really even going back to
the Enlightenment period, you know, in the eighteenth century, when
there's this transition from you know, religion as the authority
or supernaturalism as the authority, and now empiricism and what
can be proven by observe, you know, just strict observation
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becomes the prevailing paradigm. We live with a legacy of
those philosophies, and they've not always been productive or beneficial
in church circles, in particular because the Bible lays out
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a supernatural worldview. You know, I don't think I think
even the most staunch materialist has to concede that that
there's the people that the Bible that God directed to
write the Bible believed that. But beyond that, how do
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you bring something like aliens or the or UFOs or
whatever into a venue of relevance for the church, Well,
you do that by examining the the nature, the observable nature,
(32:30):
I guess if you want to use empiricism of what
UFOs are capable of, but more specifically the reported behavior
and demeanor and even agenda that these entities have with
regard to humanity. And again it becomes in terms of
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the accounts of encounters. It becomes a kind of of
statistical issue because even if, even if, even if most
of the accounts are fabricated, if I can quote Mike
Heiser again, you know, it only takes one of those
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accounts being legitimate to bust the paradox. Now, I like
he believed that, and others in the circle, other researcher
believe that they're inordinately more that are represent real encounters,
just as there are reports throughout the ages of encounters
with things like vampires and wear wolves and all matter
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are preterdactural amenities that those represent real experiences in space
and time, just as the ones that are occurring in
more recent decades in this age. Excuse me, what what
are we to make of this? From a spiritual perspective, well,
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I think again, it's the examination of the motives and behavior,
the reported behavior of these entities, which is has not
been beneficent towards humanity. I mean, these things clearly don't
treat people with grace and care and something that you
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would expect, at least an ethically driven sentient entity. You
would not expect the sort of behavior, much less the
kind of violent, violating kind of experiences that a lot
of people have physically when they encounter these entities. And
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people are traumatized and scarred and spiritually wounded because of
these experiences. And again it's the it's it's the measured
task of a leaver to minister to those people and
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to be christ Like towards them, to be the Jesus
that they see. That's why I say that missionally, this
is very relevant for the church because you know, there
are even even Christians that encounter these entities that have
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you know, a broad range of negative experiences with them.
So we can't really afford to embrace naturalism in the
way that we have in the past because it becomes
a tool for dismissal, it becomes a rationale off for
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dismissing things that seemingly go beyond our imagination, and that
stems from in my opinion here is you know, we're
talking about quantification of the supernatural, if such a thing
as possible. But I think that a lot of that
stems from the lack of biblical literacy that's just rampant. Now.
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Literacy in general, just from a general educational perspective, has
drastically declined, specifically in our society. Yes, the correlating relative
element here for us in the Church is that biblical
literacy has also declined. What encourages me is that there
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is a burning hunger for studying the Bible in fringe
Christian circles. There's a burning hunger to better understand the
context of the Bible and embrace the supernaturalism of the Bible,
which is what we what what many people actually in
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past ages have been able to do even without the
benefits of everything that we have, all the biblical study
tools that are available at the touch of a button,
all of all of the Now you can lay down
good money for some of these sources, but much of
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it is absolutely free, and people just don't avail themselves
of it, And so we live in this weird juxtaposition,
you know, when the availability of biblical material is just
staggering in comparison to later ages. But in earlier ages,
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I can remember, you know, like I can remember my
grandmother reading the Bible free equently often every day every year.
She read the Bible through from cover to cover, in
addition to you know, whatever devotional or or study she
was doing. And so I can remember, I can remember
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even even the generation before last from my perspective, having
a without the benefit of all the biblical study tools
that we have, even without knowing the context. And we're
talking about heavy reliance in the Holy Spirit as your
commentary here, just this vast you know, biblical knowledge. You
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know where they were literally able to pull chapter in verse,
you know, on a on a whim. Really, that's that
is less present in church circles today. And this sort
of feel good, postmodernized, you know version of Christianity that
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we have so rampant today. But we have to turn
back to one of the disciplines of the faith, which
is which we're encouraged and admonished in the Bible to embrace.
We're to prove ourselves by studying. We're to be transformed
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by the renewing of our mind. This isn't just hop
verbally or poetry. It's directive. And the more familiar we
are with our own source material, the better we're going
to be able to understand the supernatural realities that push
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the boundaries of naturalism and materialism that are so pertinent
to believers. We can no longer afford to be super
naturally selected. We can't treat them the Bible as a
buffet table. We can't look at passages that challenge us
and we don't agree with and just peripheralize them. We can't.
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We can't rely on just just a bubble government interpretation
of the Bible. It's got to be in context. It's
got to be to be made relevant for our times,
and that involves understanding the supernaturalism of the Bible and
the fact that it's a reality. Amen another here's another
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reason why I think anthropology is so valuable to where
where the French community is taking biblical studies or where
our attention is going. We live in a day and
age when that our technology is sort of pushing the
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bounds of imagine, not sort of, but it is pushing
the bounds of imagination. And I always go back to
the work that anthropologists in the early and mid twentieth
century were doing. You know, they were going out and
studying peoples that that still had a kind of mythological mindset,
you know, people that were basically non literate, but they
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were and they were also kind of living a Stone
Age kind of existence, and so they viewed knowledge categories
in vastly different ways than modern, you know, industrialized society was.
And I always thought that the work of brandisau Melanoski,
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who studied the Trobrian Valid Islanders in the South Pacific,
was really interesting. He wrote a number of books. One
of them was Science, Magic and Religion, I think was
the title. But this sentiment began to be echoed by
other anthropologists and the work that they were doing, to
feel is that they didn't separate what they saw as
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hard technology from something that was that we might consider
strictly magical or you know, within the purview of of
superstition or something something of that nature. And I think
even even authors like Arthur C. Clark, you know, touched
on stuff like this in books like Childhood's in where
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he said, you know, a to a sufficiently technologically inferior species.
You know that that other species with greater technology, that
would all seem like magic. You know, it would seem
their technology would seem, you know, like it pushed the
bounds of what was was realistically possible. Well, with advances
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that we're making in today, in things like genetics and
quantum physics, they're that sharp line that are our naturalistic
you know, paradigms make us draw between the supernatural and
the physical, kind of blurring a little bit. Because when
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you consider something like a quantum computer that literally dumps
its questions into another dimension to retrieve this. You know,
where does technology begin in quote unquote magic or supernaturalism
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begin in an equation like that, I don't know. I
don't know that there's a distinction at that point. Likewise,
in the fields of genetics. Just down the road from me,
you know where I'm about to move actually in Dallas,
there's a company called Colossal Biosciences, and they're about to
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create a herd of mammoths to reintroduce into Siberia. Oh
my gosh, they are. They're also taking orders for what
they have what I believe euphemistically dubbed how do they
want it?
Speaker 5 (44:30):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Custom biologics, I think, is the words that they now
they also want amongst other things, they also plan to
do this with hominids like Neanderthal.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Oh my goodness, wow. Interesting.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
We're to point now where, you know, what anthropologists have
have traditionally observed in the history of that discipline, and
even what what's you know, historians and filologists and any
number of scholars who have applied anthropology to the ancient
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world are looking at now that the sharp dividing life
between magic and science is really kind of artificial, and
to a degree, ancient peoples and predhistoric people's understood that
they certainly wouldn't have made those distinctive categories like we would.
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And so that's another reason why I think the application
of these anthropological models two topics of relevance to the
Church are important in this day and age because we're
entering into a period where people are I believe are
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literally not because they've been so conditioned by postmodernism and naturalism.
It's going to be very difficult for them on a spiritual,
much less psychological level to accept what their eyes are
actually showing them, to accept, you know, the highest strangeness
which we're just you know, we're now just seeing the
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twitching of the veil, you know, to put it in
that context. Well, and what what is the salve? What
is the tool that makes makes all this processable? The Bible?
We have to return, We have to return to what
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was the word that you use, monastic? We we we
have to almost return to a kind of monastic zeal
for scripture, uh, into which we're consumed and you know,
and absorbed in studying the word because that it is.
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It's the word, It's God's message to this and it
contains the nuance and the context that we need to
make sense of what's going on in the world today.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Amen, excuse me, doctor Jed. You touched on some things
that I was boiling in my mind about. Okay, what
can I ask doctor Jed next? And I was thinking
about different shows and movies that had actual accurate depiction
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or portrayal of these different entities and creatures. You mentioned
Childhood's End, and I thought, segue, great, so I didn't
watch Childhood that I didn't watch Childhood's End. However, I
know it's what people would say is science fiction or
sci fi, So we know that the line between sci
fi and sci fact has blurred in such the two
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are have merged together, or maybe there really wasn't a
dividing line between the two.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
So what shows or movies.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Do you think Doctor Jedd are have an accurate depiction
or portrayal of these different creatures and entities like vampires
or zombies or cryptids or what have you.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Mm hm, well, there's certainly those out there. I think
that the Netflix series Midnight Mass is really one of
the most accurate depictions of vamporism and how easily people
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can be fooled by the demonic because it can even
masquerade around in the church.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
Is something holy Midnight Mass? Yeah, okay, I haven't seen that.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
It's an eight part mini series and it's lots of
lots of interesting Divine Council stuff. Now, another movie that
I had had seen shortly after it came out, but
I recently rewatched it, and there's a lot of bizarre,
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even divine Council kind of stuff in it is Cowboys
and Aliens. Oh yeah, I was definitely that I did
not pick up on initially. How did I How in
the world did I miss this stuff the first time
that I saw it? But yeah, without a doubt for Vamporism.
(49:29):
I still think Midnight Mass is probably one of the best.
I was completely shocked by how well it was done,
and I found myself asking, you know, asking myself, how
in the world did something like this. I mean, it's
a Netflix production. I mean, we know, we know what
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kind of of you know, conditioning, you know, and programming
is embedded in a lot of Netflix production, a lot
of productions in general today. But I was, I was
just shocked and amazed at how well it was done.
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There had to be somebody, whether they were a Christian
or a believer or not, had to be familiar with
this material to make make those connections with the vampire story. Wow.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
Interesting, fascinating.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Michael.
Speaker 5 (50:29):
Yeah, just I know, with the interests of your precious
time to your brother, just to kind of uh for
the people that that may have been listening to since
the Doctor Future days, since you know, Michael Heiser was
on Doctor Michael Heiser was on Yeah, Past the Coast,
you know. I just recently listened to reposted that, sure,
and then to see you carrying on this torch. And
(50:52):
I've been a big fan of a number of different
collaborations that you've done, and I again I recommend anybody
with it's think about your sons daughters, like, don't send
her to university. It's possible. Get get some training on
doctor Jud's institute here. Get get some real knowledge here,
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because we are going into a time of the monasteries.
We already are in that. I think people just don't
realize that yet. Homesteading, you know, I'm learning how to
make sour dough bread and herd goats and all kinds
of stuff, making homemade kimchi, because you know in America
is garbage.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
You know, all of this is not This is not
necessarily a bad thing, you know. I mean I grew
up around gardening and farmsteads and things like that, so
I'll know. I mean it's it's not necessarily a bad thing.
I think it's a necessary thing too. Because if I
(51:52):
can make an allusion to another science fiction work that's
actually been poorly adapted recently in my estimation, but Frank
Herbert's Dune, the backstory to Dune is basically that which
is also very relevant. The backstory is that humanity created
artificial intelligence, and basically AI and the robots took over
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and humanity had to revolt against artificial intelligence. And this
is of course thousands of years before the Dune story itself,
but you know, I mean, it was a capital crime
in the Dune universe to create artificial intelligence. And basically
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what happens in the wake of this revolt is humans
realized that they had handed over so much of their
thinking and tasks, that they had degraded to such a
level that they had to develop schools to retrainhumans, to
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retrain the human mind, to retrain the human body. And
basically the overarching goal of all of these schools was
to to emphasize human development. It's kind of reminiscent of
kind of reminiscent of of you know, in Christian circles.
(53:24):
When we hear the words humanism, it's gotten kind of
a bad rap. But there was actually a Christian humanism
that came out of the Renaissance. It was very, very
valuable in terms of Biblical scholarship. But there's a kind
of humanism implicit in these schools in Frank Herbert's backstory,
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that human potential and human achievement, you know, in other words,
for instance, there there's a school called the Mentats that
develops out of all of this, and humans are trained
to basically do mathematical operations that computers had done at
one point in time. And so that's an extreme example.
(54:11):
But the analog I think is very pertinent to kind
of the direction that a lot of you know, education
and self sufficiency and that sort of thing that a
lot of us are trying to do to bring things
back to a kind of equilibrium.
Speaker 5 (54:30):
Because you mentioned the word analog and hold that thought
just there's a turn two analog computing that's quietly being
spoken about right now, which I think would be excellent.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
I agree. I mean, you know, my dad's a machinist,
and I hear about all the problems that the machining
industry and industrial industry has with so called engineers. You know,
I've heard. I've heard his woes, you know, for over
(55:03):
ten years now about you know, engineers that couldn't do
the math necessary to you know, by the time the
blueprints got to him, He's like, well you can't physically
make this part, but yes, you've not designed it properly.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
You've not.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
I mean, you just you wouldn't expect that from people
that are claiming to be engineers, and yet that's that's happening.
You know in our day and time, and I realize
that's just one field. But one of the things I
think we're going to have to do in the coming
years is to you know, you know, within of course,
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within the Biblical paradigm, within the scope of the Bible,
within our beliefs. It is to is to set ourselves
back towards you know what human potential. You know, we need,
we need to put those high bars back in place.
That would you know that once got it our society
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and those high bars were all based in this this
Judeo Christian ethic that we had embraced for centuries, and
so I think a return to that in these sort
of parallel economies and parallel education that are are emerging now.
I think that that's going to be very important.
Speaker 5 (56:23):
Well, very excellent wisdom share today. And uh just I
really appreciate you, brother, and I recommend everybody to go
to the Institute of Biblical Anthropology doctor doctor jud Burton
dot com.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
That's j U D D b u R actually n
dot com. Actually that that side is kind of in
a holding pattern right now. If folks will go to
Burtonbeyond dot net, the information and and all of the
all you need to register for classes and body programs
is all there? Uh, if people will click the drop
(56:57):
down menu and go to courses and membership everything, all
the descriptions are laid out there.
Speaker 3 (57:04):
Burton beyond dot com, everybody, bur doctor jud Burton will
take you beyond.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Dot nets dot net.
Speaker 4 (57:12):
Burton beyond dot net.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
We'll have that in the show notes, everybody, Okay, Burton
beyond dot net. And I saw that there is a membership,
and I was thinking about signing up, even though I
might be able to sign up, like I mean, even
though I might not be able to start a class
right away, but I was thinking about the monthly membership.
So it's is it twenty five or.
Speaker 4 (57:33):
Thirty dollars a month?
Speaker 1 (57:34):
Twenty seven seven? Is the monthly?
Speaker 3 (57:36):
Twenty seven a month? And I, you know, just between
i'll I did this out. I tried to click on
that that join link to be become a member, and
for some reason it work. Maybe my cell phone was
incompatible with the website or whatever. So if I if
I join on the web like a website on the laptop,
will it allowed me to just put in my debit
(57:57):
card in there and all that stuff?
Speaker 1 (57:58):
I think? So I think I think the links, as
far as I know, they're all up to date. I'll
check on out, but everything should be up to date.
And you know, people again, if people want to do
the monthly membership, they can or they can save a
little money and buy the whole the whole course package.
(58:20):
But yeah, they're options there. Those two options are available
for potential students.
Speaker 4 (58:26):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
The classes sound amazing. I've known a few people that
have graduated from these classes and they say, it's a
wealth of knowledge that you really just amplify the Bible
and how it relates to these things that we have
just talked about. So yes, everybody go to burenbyond dot
net and uh, the Lord is really using doctor Judd
(58:49):
to open up people's eyes and hearts to these things
that that we have been previously closed to for many years.
I know that I was totally in left field, and
well not totally left it. I knew the Lord, but
I didn't have my red pill quote unquote until you know,
twenty fourteen and so, so not only is doctor jud
(59:10):
red pilled, but he is very not only intellectual, but
holy spirit guided and he has got wisdom and such.
Speaker 4 (59:20):
So thank you so much, doctor Jed.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
I know that your time is very valuable and precious
to us, so I know that you're.
Speaker 4 (59:30):
Healing in Texas.
Speaker 3 (59:31):
So I just want to say thank you all, even
though there's only one of you, So thank you so
much for your time tonight, Doctor jud We really appreciate
you very much. And we'll have this show out in
the next few weeks. We're actually running behind on several
shows here, but we are. I'm going to crank this
out as soon as possible, for sure, and I'll make
(59:54):
a little video out of some of the most hard
hitting points in the video. And I know last time
we didn't we didn't have us, you know, with our
our you know, uh faces in the video.
Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
But this time, you know, we'll have we'll have.
Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Our faces in the video and everything, and it'll it'll
be great to make it illustrated, whereas before it was
just like just one flat you know, like little jpeg
and what have you. Definitely definitely excited to offer this
episode out, uh to to our listeners and what have you.
So thank you so much for blessing us with your
time tonight, doctor Jed.
Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
And yeah, thank you so much, great honor, great, my
pleasure pure.
Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Thank you, thanks so much for tuning in to the
cross Falls podcast.
Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
And I'm Jerry, I'm Michael.
Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
We have the pleasure in honor of interviewing doctor Jed
once again.
Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Thanks doctor Jued. Have a good night.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
You're most welcome.
Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
Good night, Thank you, sir, Thank you. Voice has so
much from the Michael heisers to and I dream of
(01:01:17):
this like I'm just seeing each one of us, and
especially you guys that are actually educated and bringing some
PhDs to the table here too, and very good writing
is essential, and are are going to change the whole world.
So I guess on that front, I mean it's kind
of a broad segue into that, but just sort of
the vision from like the past, the president, in the future,
(01:01:40):
in the different projects that you're involved with, and really
where you feel the Lord is moving the whole movement,
because it is a movement, the fringe Christian movement I
really see as something completely unique and taking back stuff
that the new agers have kind of captured and tried
to claim, like the UFO phenomena and really good research
(01:02:01):
into history, project paper clip, you name it. Before the
CIA turns everybody into a bunch of flat earthers or
something
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