**"Esau 🧔🏻, Serpent Lineage 🐍, & Lilith Mysteries 🔮"** - The Cross Files Supernatural Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, and also too, the ancient people of that time
pointed to Esau being of demonic slash serpent seed. Because
you have the writings of Flavius Josephus. Now, Flavius Josephus
was a well educated man. He wasn't some dummy redneck
like me. He had a lot of good quality education, and.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
He was a wordsmith.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
I'm sure he chose his words very wisely because he
knew that they were going to be important. His writings
were going to be preserved, and they were important. And
when you get into his writings, when he describes the
conflict between Jacob and Esau, he says that there was
enmity between the brothers, once again drawing back to Genesis

(00:49):
three fifteen. In that curse, it says she will have
a seed and he, Satan, will have a seed.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
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(01:26):
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Speaker 4 (01:48):
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(02:08):
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Speaker 5 (02:24):
Welcome to the cross Fils podcast, also known as Strange
o'clock podcast. We don't have Michael here tonight, but I'm Jerry,
one half of your co host and and also got
Don from a New Dawn podcast. Welcome Don. She has
her own podcast once while she joins us, so were
the Don and Jerry Podcast tonight, Whitus Michael. Unfortunately, tonight

(02:48):
we have our special guest, Justin Brown or Justin Doc Brown.
He has his own show called the Prometheus LEDs Podcast
as he is also one third the dig Bible podcast.
So they've been doing this for several years now. Welcome Justin.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Hey, thank you for having me. We finally connected virtually anyway.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
Yeh, yes, absolutely, we're happy to have you, Justin. So Justin,
tell us about how you got strateged in podcasting.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Honestly got started back in twenty two, I believe it was,
and it was just after a red Peel moment in
twenty twelve. Got exposed to all this really cool supernatural
stuff in the Bible. Was raised in church my whole
life and thought I knew it well, but a little
known to me that I didn't know Jack. I knew

(03:41):
some surface level stuff and that was about it. And
got introduced to Trey Smith and Doug van Dorn and
Michael Heiser and some of these great minds in this space.
And I've always been a C plus average guy, never
liked to read, study, or do any of that stuff.
But I always was fascinating by the Bible in history,

(04:01):
and once I got exposed to this stuff. It was like,
I was really excited to dive into the Word of
God and reread it with these new set of glasses
and done that from twenty twelve to twenty twenty two,
and just decided to expose a few friends that I
had and acquaintances I had at church to this material

(04:22):
and did like a small group, invited a bunch of people,
but only had three or four guys show up. We
had three meetings, and after three meetings, my buddy Steve
from the Dig was like, man, we should be doing
a podcast talking about this stuff. This is some pretty
profound stuff. And another podcast, and four years later, here
we are.

Speaker 6 (04:44):
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
I'm glad to hear that the Lord is really using
you and the big Bible guys to really dig into
the Word of God, so to speak, and under these
interesting treasures.

Speaker 7 (04:56):
Just in ways fascinated when I listened to your podcast,
and I always figured I was smart. I catch on
pretty quickly. However, you impressed me and I have to ask,
did you have any college education or did you just

(05:17):
pick it up and start studying it as your interests grow?

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:21):
No, I have no education past twelfth grade. And I
was very fortunate to make it that far. I like
to think really that I was an intelligent guy, at
least my mother said I was, but I didn't really
apply myself. I was too busy chasing down a good
time and girls and stuff like that. In my younger years,

(05:44):
it was I didn't really fully apply myself, and everybody
around me once they got out of school, they just
went to work. And I remember my mother and the
guidance counselors at school and stuff just asking me, well,
what are you going to do with your life? What
are you going to do when you graduate? And I
set the bar really low. I was like, I'm going
to be a factory rat like everybody else. I'm not

(06:06):
a dreamer.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Everybody talks about being.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
An astronaut or a lawyer or a doctor and all
these grand dreams. And I look around and everybody, I know,
the best dream you can have is to know God
and have a good relationship with God and go to
work and pay your bills and raise a family. So
I was like, that's probably what I'm going to do.
Everybody I know that was their.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Path and that's going to be mine.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
So I never really went after any further education. But
like I said, I always loved history and I loved
the Bible. When I was going in church as a kid,
I was that annoying kid that I always asked twenty
questions to the teacher on everything they talked about and
probably got on their nerves. So just my love for
the scripture and history was a really good foundation into

(06:53):
researching and finding out these little breadcomb trails that I
stumbled upon.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
So you're really impressive.

Speaker 7 (07:03):
I think somebody coming across your broadcast for the first
time wouldn't have any idea because you're definitely well studied,
so it's very impressive.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I definitely appreciate it. And Mike Kaiser said it best.
I've never had an original idea. It's honestly, it's just
my reading and I have a really good memory, and
I take notes, So when I'm reading a book, I'm
not just reading it for pleasure. I'm highlighting that thing.
And I got a notebook taking notes on all of it.

(07:38):
And you'll have fifteen to twenty different subjects in one book,
and then when you keep going down the line, next
thing you know, you have one page on this certain
subject from one book, and then you have another page
or two from that's on the same subject but a
different book. And then next thing, you know, I have
four or five pages on one subject, and I just

(08:00):
take all those different guys as research and study and
just mesh it together. And then I just basically filter
it through my perspective and just repackage it in a
simple way that's more palpable for people to understand. So
I'm just taking other people's ideas and mashing them together.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
Good, justin absolutely great job. I know that you're painting
yourself as a simple man with a simple plan. However,
the Lord is really using you, like we said, and
you have unearthed to like I said, some profound gold
nuggets of truth. And I know that you're saying that
you're just repackaging stuff that you've learned. But you are
unique justin in many ways, just as for example, I

(08:42):
know that you were you started off with the Big
Bible podcast, but then you bridged off into Prometheus Lens podcast.
Tell us about probutheus Lens podcast.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, like I said, we started with the dig and
done that for about two years, and that is just
a ministry and we die through word.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
But as I.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Started expanding my knowledge, and I was studying about freemasonry
and the occult and cryptids and conspiracy theory and all
that kind of stuff. Like I said, I always loved
history and all these other things, but where I had
this new perspective and I had this biblical foundation, but
now I had these supernatural glasses to understand scripture and

(09:27):
see scripture through. I just seen so many common themes
and how all of that stuff is biblical and it
filters through the Bible in a way. And I was like,
I want to go further the dig we just look
at the Bible. So I was like, I'd like to
start my own show and I can talk about conspiracy theories.

(09:49):
I can talk about ancient loss civilizations and cryptids and
just all these fascinating subjects and present it and package
it in a way that has a biblical lens worldview,
because I think it filters right through. And so I'm
selfishly looking at subjects that I find fascinating and where

(10:11):
it is not a quote unquote ministry. I can do
these things and talk about these subjects that are fascinating
to even non believers.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
So I tell people it works.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
As a ministry, but it's not an in your face ministry.

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Speaker 1 (11:58):
So people that are non believers or have a different
faith belief than me can still tune into the show
and enjoy it. But while I have their attention, I
can sprinkle some seeds while I have their attention and
try to point the way to Christ without beating them
over the head. Because my how do I word it

(12:19):
my life experiences is that I'm a stubborn guy and
nobody has ever forced me to do something or change
my mind on something unless I willingly done it myself.
So that's what I try to do with the show,
is I have these interesting conversations, and if you are
a believer, then it's going to solidify your faith and
give you something you can feel, taste and touch and

(12:41):
better defend your faith out into the world, and it's
going to draw you closer to God. And then on
the other hand, if you are a non believer, then
I can have a conversation with you and maybe show
you some things you didn't know, give you a different perspective,
and show you how it all correlates back to the Bible,

(13:01):
and maybe get your gears and wheels turn and be like,
hey man, there might be something to this Christianity thing.

Speaker 6 (13:07):
Yeah, yes I am.

Speaker 7 (13:11):
You're like you said, You're a simple man with a
simple plan. And for a guy that didn't have a
formal education, God is using you in a mighty way
and you are being humble and obedience. And the thing
about what you present in Prometheuslyn is a lot of people,

(13:38):
non believers and believers alike have had these experience, experiences,
thoughts ideas, they've read things, and the average church doesn't
address the correlation or the relation of this supernatural the Bible.

(14:02):
And now we have this Western form of Christianity that
doesn't include the supernatural. And in this space as you
call it, that you and others like you are trying
to bring that back because I know in my situation,

(14:24):
after my experience with the dark the demonic, it just
said to me even more, it just proved to me
how much more.

Speaker 6 (14:36):
The Bible is true and God is real.

Speaker 7 (14:40):
So what you're doing is a great thing, especially now
that Michael Heiser is gone, and I'm glad that you
are in your own way continuing the work.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Well, thank you. I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
That's something I mentioned only show a lot that's, in
my viewpoint, something that the church is just catastrophically failing
at because you have people like you don that that's
had these experiences and have seen the demonic realm, people
that have dabbled in witchcraft and summons these spiritual beings

(15:17):
and these entities and these demons, and have firsthand experiences.
They know that it's real, and they know it's wrong,
and it's dark, and so in a very just even
as an instinctual, subconscious level, but if there is a dark,
there is a light. So you go to seek that light.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
And where do you go. You go to the church.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
And then when you go to the church and you
tell these pastors or the people in the church about
your experiences, the things you've seen, felt touched, and experienced,
and they basically tell you.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
That you're crazy or you're a liar.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
And you talk about other people having experiences in these
books that these people like Michael hyeser Wright and stuff,
and they say, ah, they're just looking for attention. They're
just trying to sell books. And these people that have
these experiences, that know that it's real, they're immediately turned
off and they're like, I came here for answers and
you obviously don't have them, and they're going to leave

(16:14):
and not come back, and they're going to seek people
that say they had the answers. And then that's where
you get into the occult and gnosticism and things like
that that.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Give you some truths.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
They do, but they give you partial truths, and the
most important parts of the story are twisted and perverted
and leads you down a path of destruction.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
Amen, speaking of experiences that people have, and they bring
forth those experiences to church, and nine times out of
ten they're termed away or dismissed as crazy or you
need to see a therapist, and the therapist can't help
you unless they're a truly supernatural Christian counselor like doctor
Natalie or any of these deliverance ministers or counselors that

(16:58):
we've had on our show. So, speaking of experience, I
know you've had a hair raising experience a few years ago.
Can you tell us about your encounter with Lila?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
That was something too that it was a first time
experience for me and I didn't really know how to
take it. And I went to Google. That's what everybody does.
Everybody goes to Google, right, And I had come back
to the faith.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I was never a non believer.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
I knew there was a God and I was a
saved Christian and was raised right.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I knew.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
It's just I kind of like Frank Sinatra. I did
it my way. I took off and just done what
I wanted to do. And I'm like, ah, there's plenty
of time for me to come back.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
To the Lord.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I was selfishly just chasing desires of the flesh and
it did. It led down a road of a lot
of drug abuse and sexual premiscuity. And little did I
know that I was running with evil spirits and demonic
entities and.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Was in cohorts with these.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Things and turn my life around, come back to Christ
and was getting back into the word again. And I
had just started like deep diving. This was somewhere between
I can't even remember. It was between two thousand and
twelve and twenty eighteen or something like that, and I

(18:29):
had hurt my back at work, and I just wake
up every day and just was stiff and like I
had to walk hunched over. It took me like several
hours after waking up to billip even straighten up again.
Long car rides killed me and I suffered with it
for a while, thinking it would just pass, and it
got to the point where I couldn't even sleep at night.

(18:50):
So I finally I'm this guy, I will not go.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
To a doctor unless I'm dying.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
And so I went to the doctor and had some
X raising MRIs to see what was going on, and
the doctor tried to put me on antidepressants, and then
so I was like.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
This is the reason why I don't go to these
quack doctors. They try to just pump you full of
stuff you don't need. And I told him, I said,
I'm not depressed, and he said, oh, I know that
the chemical compound mix of this certain drug blocks pain
receptors to the brain, and your injury is will heal
with time, but so this will basically mask your pain.

(19:31):
That way you can make it through until everything gets
lined back out and so at that point, i'd suffered
for a few months, so I was like, a hell,
I'll try it, and started taking them. But I just
started having these really hilacious nightmares. And the backtrack a
little bit. I've always had a creative mind. I'm a

(19:54):
left handed person. I don't know if there's any truth
to that. Left handed people are more creative, but it does.
I left handed people, you're more artsy and got better
imaginations and stuff. But I was always an imaginative kid
and creative kid. But I remember I would have just
these really vivid dreams, and I was a lucid dreamer,

(20:17):
and I didn't know what that was till much later
in life. But it was like, I have a dream,
and I realized it's a dream. I'm in complete control.
I can do what I want. I can make the
characters in my dream do certain things. If I'm in
a scary situation as a kid, I remember I could
make wings grow on my back and just fly away

(20:39):
and escape. Or if it was something that I couldn't
control and I knew it was a dream, I could
literally tell myself this is a dream, wake up, and
I could make myself wake up like that, and as
I got older, they just faded away.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
But they say, you.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Always dream, it's just sometimes you don't remember them. So
I didn't know if it was just the years of
drug abuse or just growing up. My imagination wasn't as
strong as it used to be. But either way, I
rarely dreamed or I could rarely remember them. So when
I started taking and backing up a lot of those

(21:20):
lucid dreams, especially like daring puberty, I had a lot
of sexual dreams, and they call them wet dreams. And
like I said, I was a sexually promiscuous kid. And
where I could control my dreams, I could have them
on call, and I did that a lot as a youth.

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And like I said, I didn't know I was running
with the wrong spiritual crowd during those days. And so
I started having these dreams again. But they were and
everybody has not marries. I've had night marries, but these
were different. These were like horror film. You're stuck in
a horror film and murderers coming after you, and monsters

(22:04):
and the gates of hell opening up and arms trying
to pull you through. Just some really crazy dreams. And
so I called the doctor and I'm like man, I'm
having some crazy dreams and they're not normal. And it's
just medicine. I know it is. Oh yeah, sometimes people
have adverse effects. We'll change it up. And this is
common when I have to do this almost with every patient.

(22:27):
We have to figure out which one works best and
what the dosage is. And he changed my medicine two
or three times, and each time it is just they
kept getting worse and worse. And the last time that
he changed my medicine, I remember I went to bed
and had my first sleep paralyless moment. And in the dream,

(22:52):
I was in my truck, had the family in the car,
the wife and the kids, and I'm driving down this
little back road and I see this buzzard in the
middle of the road eating on a dead carcass, and
so I just pull up and I stop it because
I didn't want to hit the bird and damage my truck.
I just honked the horn at it, and it's not time.

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In the dream, the headlights are shining on it, and
then this bird, instead of taking off and flying away,
it starts to stand up and it's keeps going higher
and the next thing you know, this bird is standing
there with its back to me in the headlights of
the truck, probably about five foot five, five foot eight.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
This is a big bird.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
And at this point I'm like, okay, this is a dream,
but I'm not freaked out trying to escape or anything
like that. And the bird turns around, but the front
is a naked woman with blond hair, glowing red eyes
and has bird feet, and in the dream, I'm immediately

(23:58):
I'm like freaked out. And the wife is in the
passenger seat. She's screaming. The kids are in the backseat
screaming and crying, and I'm trying to console everybody. I'm like,
it's fine, we're safe. We're in the vehicle. It can't
get to us. I'm just going to drive through it,
run it over if i have to. As i'm saying that,

(24:22):
it's just, the bird flies up into the air and
out of sight.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
It's just and then I'm like, okay, guys, it's gone.
It's gone.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
It's over, and I go to go forward, and when
I do, it just lands right next to the driver's
side door and opens the truck door. And at this
point I can't move. I'm completely frozen. I cannot move whatsoever.
I don't think I do is move my eyes and
my family It's like they're frozen in time. The wife's

(24:51):
hands was up, she was frozen. The kids were in
mid crying or covering their face. Everybody was just locked
in time. And this bird woman leans in and just
starts taking her hands and just fondling me, rubbing in
my inner thigh, stroking my chest and my neck, and

(25:11):
playing with my ear and leaning in and just smelling
of my neck. And then she sticks her tongue out
and starts licking my neck and my ear and nibbling
on my ear lobes and stuff. And I'm just freaked out.
I cannot move. And I'm telling myself at this point,
like I said, I've always been a lucid dreamer. I
can I know when I'm dreaming, or if I know

(25:33):
I'm dreaming, I can pull myself out. I can do
whatever I want. I was completely powerless. I couldn't do anything,
and I was just saying over and over in my head,
I'm like, this is a dream. Wake up, this is
a dream. Wake up. And I remember, like partially coming
out of the dream. It's when you wake up you

(25:54):
can get glimpses of the room and I was looking
up at the ceiling fan and the picture that was
on my wall. I was starting to see it, and
I'm like, okay, I'm waking up. And it was just
like all of a sudden, just woom, something just jerked
me back into the dream and kept me from waking up.
And I was like, oh my God, Jesus helped me.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Jesus.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
And at this time, she leans in right against my
ear and she just whispers like so seductively, and she says,
I've missed you.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
And it was at this time I could feel.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
My fingers starting to tingle, and I'm like, okay, I'm
getting feeling back in my hands again.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
I'm going to be able to move. What am I
going to do?

Speaker 1 (26:41):
And I look over and my instinct was just to
grab the door and slam her into the door. So
I slammed the door on her, and she just lets
out this gut rich and screechs or scream and flies
up into the air. And as soon as she gets
a good distance away from me, boom. My eyes open
up and I'm awake in the bedroom and I just

(27:03):
spring forward and I'm gasping forever and I'm sweating. Wake
the wife up and she's what's the matter. I was like,
it's that medicine. That's another dream because I didn't talk
to her about it, and I immediately got up and
flushed the medicine down the commode. And I've since talked
to people and I know now you're not supposed to
do that. You know, you endanger the water and other people.

(27:25):
I didn't know that at the time, but and immediately
I was like, what was that. And my wife at
the time was really big into dreams. She thought that
they had like prophetic meaning and the stuff. And she
was always a strong Christian and she had dream diaries.
She would document them and look up what certain colors

(27:49):
me and all that stuff. She thought there was prophetic
meaning in the dreams. So I'm telling her describing everything,
and I'm like, it was a half bird, half woman,
black feathers, I almost had like a purple shimmer to them,
and on the tips blond hair, red eyes, and she's

(28:09):
writing all this stuff down and she's looking up purple
as a sign of royalty.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
So this was whatever this was.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
It was high ranking. And vultures are birds of prey.
They prey on weak things or dead things, like parasites
and she's telling me all this stuff. And at this time,
I'm going to Google and I'm typing in half bird,
half woman, creature and I search and it's probably the

(28:39):
second image that pops up. Boom, there's Lilith. And I'm like,
what or who is Lilith? Because I and that's the thing.
It wasn't some kind of subconscious thing like I'd been
studying about her or knew something about her or watched a.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Movie about her.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
That's why I dreamed. I had no clue who she was.
And once I got to reading about her, I was like, yeah, man,
this was a succubus and it was Lilith and it's
like my younger years and she was like a demon
of chaos and mindless violence and sex. And I was like,

(29:22):
that's who I was running with all those years and
all those sexual dreams I had as a kid.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
It was her.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
And Wow, I broke away from her and got right
with God.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
And it's like God put that.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Wall up and she couldn't get to me no more.
And it's like the one time I took some mind
altering substances and brought that while down. She was just
like she was there waiting by the door to kick
it open when she could, and that's why she said
that she missed me. It was just a wow, crazy.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
Experience justin what I think of you. I always think
of that wild experience with Lilith in your dreams. And
I know that there's some people who say, oh, Lilith
is just Jewish folkler, she's not real or whatever, but
we know different. Idea thirty four to fourteen, as we
know in the KJV, it says the wild beasts of

(30:18):
the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of
the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow.
The screech owl also shall rest there and find for
herself a place of rest. So even though it doesn't
say Lilith per se it, there's a commentary that says that, yeah,

(30:39):
the Septuig says Lilith, and then in the KJV they
translate into screech owl. So Lilith's name is in there,
like you said in the septuagen. So it is interesting
that they take Lila's name out of the Bible. Perhaps
who knows, maybe she had maybe some sort of influence
in terms of wanting to keep her identity safe from

(31:01):
or her name. I did a saye from people reading
the Bible, because then if they knew what her name is,
they could cast her out in Jesus name. And the
second thing before the done, I'll have you filled in here,
is that a lot of people think when people take
when they take drugs, narcotics or what have you, or
have these wet dreams, they think it's oh, it's just

(31:21):
a function of the mind where people are realized that
in the Book of Enoch that the fallen angels taught
people that the cutting of roots, Well, there's nothing wrong
with herbs, but the way they were teaching the quo
cutting of roots was basically using herbs in a way
to summit these fallen angels and demonic spirits and what

(31:42):
have you. Anyway, that was just something I just wanted
to throw out there, justin that's a wild experience with
little for sure.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
So how long ago was that?

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, I can't pin it down exactly because I can't remember,
but I know that it was between two thy and
fifteen and eighteen. It was between that timeframe because I
remember it was right before we had moved. Okay, and

(32:15):
I've had people ask me to do I remember the
names of the medication.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
I just know that it was some kind of antidepressant
and he had me like on three different kinds. Because
I've had some people that's that heard me talk. I
talked about it a little bit on Tom Dunn's Through
the Black, and I had some people asking was it
this medication because I took this medication and I had
these hilacious night maries and in visitations too, and I

(32:43):
had to tell them. I was like, I just I
can't remember.

Speaker 7 (32:46):
Food and things can influence dreams. I know for me
that if I have a headache, I'm for sure going
to have a scary dream.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
However, I do know that.

Speaker 7 (32:58):
There are spiritual influences and dreams, and I had plenty
of them in my own fleet Prilysis attacked. So have
you had anything since then?

Speaker 1 (33:13):
No, not like that. But honestly, I've had some nightmares
and stuff, just like anybody else, but nothing to that magnitude,
or at least that I can remember.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
But honestly, I had an experience just.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
It was within the past week, and it's the first
kind of like demonic attack that I can remember in
a long time. And it was, I was in bed,
I was sleep and I can't remember exactly what the
dream was, but I do remember that it was uncannonly scary,

(33:52):
more scary than normal, and that it frightened me enough
that when I woke up, a grown man that knows
it's a dream.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Didn't want to go back to sleep.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yes, And I was sitting there and I was prayed.
I just lightheartedly praised, like Lord, just take me whatever
this is, just keep it far from me, and ended
up dozing back off to sleep in the middle of praying.
I was so tired. Yeah, and the same dream, the
same entity or creature that was after me, was there
again and it was just demonic. And I remember I

(34:26):
woke up again and it's just like the Holy Spirit
said to me Psalms ninety one. And like I said,
I know my Bible. I read my Bible, but far
as like recalling and memorizing scripture, and so I suck
at it. I can tell you the good old boy

(34:47):
version of it. Oh, this is the main idea, and
it says this, but I can't quote it for word.
I can't tell you where it's at and what verse.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
And all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
So that's how I know this was holy spirit because
I was like science ninety one Okay, And so I
got up and went to my recliner and I got
a little bookshelf and table all laid out there, got
my Bible out, pulled it out, Psalms ninety one, and boom,
that's the spiritual warfare prayer. Yeah, the psalm And hang
on a minute.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Well could you pull it up, Jerry?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
So I wasn't going to read it for those that
are not aware of it, because that is a very
sharp sword for those that they ever find themselves.

Speaker 7 (35:29):
Interesting is you had the Litla stream that was around
twenty and eighteen. You think it was between fifteen and eighteen, curtently,
not too long after that you begin your podcast, so you.

Speaker 6 (35:44):
Begin your ministry.

Speaker 7 (35:46):
So that was the beginning of them trying to distract
you away and take you out of that.

Speaker 6 (35:54):
Yeah, it's just interesting.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Oh I've been under so much spiritual attack since doing this.
But what was crazy about that story to tie a
bow on it was I got it and I pulled
it out and I read it to myself, and then
something just said to me, you need to read this
out loud, you need to proclaim this. And I read

(36:18):
it again, and then again. Something told me where it
says you read it again and take that out and
make it pershonable and say ay or me.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
Right.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
And I went through.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
I said it again out loud and substituted the words,
and it was I don't know, just it felt like
a weight like coming off my shoulders and just a calmness.
And I went to bed and I slept like a baby.

Speaker 6 (36:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:55):
And I'm not surprised that you experienced that this week,
this being when we had that had the election. There
has been a lot of spiritual oppression plenty to go around,
and we've just come through a major spiritual battle. More
to come, but we've just come through one. I'm not

(37:18):
surprised that there were there have been a.

Speaker 6 (37:22):
Cat on individual people as well. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (37:28):
I just spiritual wealth or there is my real right?
Oh yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
Did I have some ninety one pulled up if you
don't mind me reading it? Yeah, those have so so
many one. Those who live in the shelter of the
Most High will find rest in the shadow of the Almighty.
This I declare about the Lord. He alone is my refuge,
my place of safety. He is my God, and I
trust him, for he will rescue you from every trap

(37:55):
and protect you from deadly disease. He will cover you
with his feathers, He will shelter you with his wings.
His faithful promises are your armor and protection. Do not
be afraid of the terrors of the night, nor the
arrow that flies in the day. Do not dread the
disease that stalks in darkness, nor the disaster that strikes
at midday. Though a thousands fall at your side, though

(38:16):
ten thousand are dying around you, these evils will not
touch you. Just open your eyes and see how the
wicked are punished. If you make the Lord your refuge,
if you make the most high your shelter, no evil
will conquer you. No plague will come near your home,
for he will order his angels to protect you. Wherever
you go. They will hold you up with their hands,
so you won't even hurt your foot. On a stalk,

(38:39):
you will trample upon lions and cobras. You will crush
fierce lions and serpents under your feet. The Lord says,
I will rescue those who love me. I will protect
those who trust in my name. When they call on me,
I will answer. I will be with them in trouble.
I will rescue and honor them. I will reward them
with a long life and give them my salvation.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
In the original language too, I will give them my Yeshua,
I will give them my Jesus and house significant suffering
from a nightmare, and it says I will shelter you
and protect you from the terrors of the night the night.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
Yeah, for sure, that definitely shows that you are on
the right track. That we're all on the right track
those who have accepted Jesus and their hearts as are
Lord and Savior and are living for Him and doing
this podcast ministry or podcasting, that we're getting the word
out there plenty seeds in people's hearts that normally would
have intend. Sure, so you're definitely doing something right, or

(39:38):
else the enemy would come at you with full force
and try to disrupt your dreams and everything. I do
want to share something, and I know this is about Justin,
but I do want to share this owl dream Justin.
I was telling you a few months ago that I
had this dream that I was in a truck and
I was laying down in the bed of the truck

(39:58):
and guess who was the truck lead owls, and it
was just very strange and bizarre. I don't know if
they had anything to do with little leather or whatever,
but weirdly enough, when Ted and I were in Tennessee
a couple of years ago, and we were driving around,
just all of a sudden, like out of nowhere, there
was owl where we were on a winding road and

(40:19):
it was at night time, like maybe ten pm. All
of a sudden, this owl dives in front of our
vehicle and picks up prey. And I thought, really strange,
out of all the places that this owl could see
a mouse or a rat or whatever. It's right in
front of our vehicle. And I'm not saying that there's
anything spiritual about either my dream or what happened, but
it just seemed was a head scratcher. We note that

(40:42):
the natural the spiritual rubs are intertwined. It's not separate,
but one. So I think I might have had some
sort of but not definitely, not as bizarre and as
surreal and as elucid as yours, for sure. Justin I
know that you're working on a book about called The
Epic of Yesaw. Can you tell us about that?

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, the Epic esyl that is a journey within itself,
and that's something that I talk about on the podcast
and it's kind of the framework for the show. I
start off every show and I tell people, welcome to
the hero's journey, and that we have to slay the
dragon and rescue the damsel and come out on the

(41:22):
other side as heroes and hoard up our treasure. And
that's the boon that the prize of great wealth and
any hero story, once you do that, the story's not over.
They have to take this prize of great wealth and
present it back to humanity and use it for the
betterment of all mankind. And it's based on the Plato's

(41:44):
allegory of the Cave. And that's why I tell people.
I've had people come at me and say, why name
it Prometheus. Lynn's after a Greek Titan and it's a
satan figure, and I'm like, it's an allegory and this
might be my creative mind maybe hindering me at times,
but I'm like, it's all about perspective, So it's satan is.

(42:08):
Let me start this on me backtrack. Prometheus. What I
found fascinating about him is he's the only archetype or
figure or character that he's totally based off your perspective,
because he's the only character that on one hand he
could be seen as a christ figure, that he is

(42:30):
the benefactor of man, and he was crucified and tortured
for doing so. He was nailed to the Caucasus mountains
where an eagle would come down and devour his liver
every single day, and it would grow back, and then
it would happen all over again. But then on the
other side, he is the rebel of heaven. He rebelled

(42:53):
against God and gave the fire, which was symbolic for
knowledge to human mankind. So he's the divine rebel. So
I played off that, But I tell people Satan says
that he is the ruler of this world and he
can give it to whom he pleases. That's what he
told Jesus in the Wilderness Temptations, and Jesus didn't refute

(43:17):
him because he was telling the truth. So and Jesus
also said that my people suffer for lack of knowledge.
We need to strengthen our faith, but we also need
to strengthen our knowledge base and know our history and
all these things.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
And they've been skewed.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
By the ruler of this world. If you look at
him as a Satan figure, then why wouldn't you want
to have his perspective. That way you have the ultimate
keys to the art of war. Know thine enemy. That
way you are not deceived. So that was something that

(44:00):
I really anchored down and tried.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
To go on.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
So I had asked, so, I know that you're working
on a book about the epoch of Esau. Can you
tell us about your perspectives of Esau and how you
feel the Lord has spoken to you about his origins.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
I so, with that being said about the whole allegory
and the hero's journey, that this whole discovery of Esau
is a journey on itself. And it started off with
me just looking at Genesis twenty five, twenty five and
said he was he come out covered in hair from
head to toe like a Harry Cloak, and that he

(44:41):
was read. And I was like, man, with our modern vernacular,
if we saw how this man is described out in
the world today or in the woods without hesitation, one
hundred percent of the population would say that this is
a sasquad, this is a bigfoot. And I was like, man,

(45:03):
that's pretty wild. So Then as the journey continued, as
I had guests on this guy kept popping up, and
little things about this guy kept popping up. I had
a guest on we were going through the book of Jashure
and studying into that, and then I come across Esau
in there, and as far as like the sixty six book, Cannon,

(45:26):
you get a little bit about him, but not a
whole lot. He's pretty enigmatic character. And with that, and
through this discovery and research, I come to the conclusion
that it's the reason why you don't get so much
context about this man is the same reason you don't

(45:47):
get so much context about Genesis six and the Nephelom giants,
because they had all these other books that detailed his
story so well, and then you had a very well
established oral tradition about this man. So the authors thought
they didn't need to theoretically beat a dead horse. This

(46:07):
was already well known. They wasn't thinking about us thousands
of years later, not knowing these stories and these traditions
and these other books. When I found in our book,
we just hear that he was born, He was high
sasquatche looking. He trades his birthright for a bowl of
soup to his brother. He rebels and takes Canaanite wives,

(46:31):
and then his people become the Edomites, and they were
a thorn in the side to God's people.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
And there you go. That's Esau.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
And then once I got to look at the jashure,
I find that in there it gives more context and
says that he bumps into Esau or I'm sorry, he
bumps into Nimrod, and it says that Nimrod hated Esau
and that resentment anger.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Had built up all of his days.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
And these both of these men were known as the
Mighty Hunter. And I tell people on different shows, it's
the Highlander. There can only be one baby, and they
wanted to show who the mighty Man really was. It's
a man's ego, stroke and competition. There can only be one.
And so Luka Jasher makes it out to where he

(47:26):
is hunting Esau. And if you remember, he's a hairy,
beastly looking man, a sasquatch and with a hunter's mindset.
These are trophy pieces. If you get a big twelve
point buck as a hunter, you want to mount that
head on the wall to show everybody that comes to
your house what a great and skilled hunter. You are

(47:46):
you killed this beast and Ali Gorky speaking, you have
this in the Disney film Beauty and the beast Gaston
is Nimrod and the hairy beast.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Esau.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
So he goes and tries to kill Esau in this story,
and he goes with the whole hunting party, and it
says that three of them were Gibo riem, the same
word used in the Bible described the Nephelom giants, and
that Esau hides itself, and it says that he kills
not one, not two, but three give ring single handedly

(48:26):
in combat, chops off Nemrod's head, and then takes the
time to steal his garments, and then it says he
runs home. And then there's where the Genesis story picks up,
because just if you go to the Cannon and Genesis,
it just says that Esau comes in from the field
exhausted and trades his birthright for a bowl of soup,

(48:49):
and then he says, what use is a birthright to
me when I'm dead?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Take it?

Speaker 1 (48:55):
That's why because he just had this epic battle with
emd in two giants and probably sustain some life threatening injuries,
probably bleeding out and then he just killed the king.
He's on the run, he's scared to death for his life.

(49:16):
He goes to his brother and he's basically saying, sew
me back up, stop the bleeding and hide me. The
king's armies looking for me. I'm now on the run.
I'm a fugitive. And he's say, yeah, I'll help you, bro,
just to give me the birthright. And he's scared to death,
he's desperate. He's take the birthright. What uses the birthright

(49:39):
to me when I'm dead? And so when you get
that book of Jasher and tie that in, it answers
so many questions about the biblical narrative. And I don't
know which paths you want to go down and explore.
But as I kept going, I found what theo those

(50:00):
garments were of nemrods, and that they were the supernatural
garments from the Garden of God that was given to
Adam from God himself. And these extra biblical books traced
the passing of these garments. It says that Enoch had
at Methuselah God it then it went to Noah and

(50:20):
was brought through the flood, and this was the birthright
that's what they were talking about. This was the symbol
of kingship and priestly authority. And I actually just found
a new nugget just yesterday about this, and I put
a video out on my YouTube channel that in the

(50:41):
movie of Noah, that movie was leased in twenty fourteen,
And how does that movie start out? It starts out
shows Adam and Eve as He's light beings, holding hands
walking through the garden. Then it shows this snake. What's
the snake do? It sheds its skin, literally, it removes

(51:03):
its coverings. And according to Ezekiel twenty eight it says
that Satan every precious stone was his covering, sorry as
tope at his barrel ONYX crafted in gold was the
inlays in the settings, and that it even says that
he profaned his sanctuaries. So it paints Satan in a

(51:24):
priestly role. So at the fall, his priestly position was
taken away and given to humanity, to mankind. And as
I went through and just studied all this stuff, I
just found all these cool little nuggets. And that he
intermarries says he takes Canaanite wives. When I got to

(51:47):
really digging deep, you find out that those were Writes
and HETEs, their known giant clans. One of his father
in laws was named sea Air, which his name means
and Hebrew means harry. And then he marries into ishmael
Al's line, so him both of these are the eldest
son who is disinherited and screwed out of their inheritance.

(52:11):
So you can imagine the hatred that was sewn into
this family line. And then you take this hairy quote
unquote man breeding with neffholem giants, and then you add
in the family feud and the hatred. As La Marzoli says, man,
it all goes back to Genesis three fifteen in the
seed war. There's just so many cool things that I've

(52:34):
found on this.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
Journey, fascinating. So I know these You told me that
sometimes people push back to what are their common objections
or whatever? Have they really fleshed out the reasons why
they maybe don't believe that.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
A big one that I get from a lot of
Bigfoot enthusiasts is they say that Bigfoot can't be a
humanoid type creature because how they worded.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
All the woo.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
And for those that's not familiar with that urn. That's
the supernatural stuff. They say with Bigfoot, you have mind speak,
you have portals, you have them phasing in and out
of reality where they have tracks, and all of a
sudden the tracks just disappear, and then you have UFO.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
A lot of.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
UFO activity associated with these sasquatches a lot of times.
But my answer to those people is, according to my research,
he intermarries and inter breeds with Nephilim giant clans. The
Book of Enoch tells us that the disembodied spirits of

(53:46):
Nephilim are cursed to be demons and wander the earth
till the end of time, tormenting mankind. So these harry
quote unquote sasquat men, giants, whatever you want to call them,
these hybrid creatures fit that bill. So their spirits still wander,

(54:09):
and of course they're going to take a form that
is familiar to them that they once had that commanded
respect and fear and far as the UFO. If you
take the position Timothy Alberino does, that these UFOs are

(54:31):
basically what we as Christians call angelic beings. Whether they're
good or fallen, they could very well be the Deuteronomy
thirty two sons of God that are still over the
nations today but in rebellion. Maybe this is their way
of conveyance. And these entities are in the family, so

(54:55):
to speak, their nieces and nephews, maybe even possibly sons.
So it's maybe there helping them phase in and out
of reality or checking up on them from time to time.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
I would explain the scripture that has befuddled millions and
millions of Christians throughout history. Whether the scripture state Jacob,
have I loved at Esau? Have I hated? And so
why would the Lord already have hatred towards Esau? And
so this kind of explained that God's love is for

(55:31):
human cuss his creation right, not the hybrid offspring that
is partially human humanoid half human it has whatever is that?
How you see that?

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Justin yeah, And also too, the ancient people of that
time pointed to Esau being of demonic slash serpent seed,
because you have the writings of Flavius Josephus. Now, Flavus
Josephus was away ill educated man. He wasn't some dummy
redneck like me. He had a lot of good quality

(56:06):
education and he was a wordsmith, I'm sure he chose
his words very wisely because he knew that they were
going to be important. His writings were going to be preserved,
and they were important. And when you get into his writings,
when he describes the conflict between Jacob and Esau, he
says that there was enmity between the brothers, once again

(56:32):
drawing back to Genesis three fifteen. In that curse, it
says she will have a seed and he Satan will
have a seed. It says it plainly, and then it
says one seed will bruise the head and the other

(56:54):
will bruise the Heell, what do you have in the
birth of Jacob and Esau? You have Satan stepping, in
my opinion, perverting the prophecy, because that's what Satan does.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
He perverts stuff. He flips it on its head.

Speaker 6 (57:10):
And wasn't Jacob holding Esau's hat ding?

Speaker 7 (57:16):
Ding?

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Tell her what she's won, Johnny, Yeah, yeah, you won.

Speaker 5 (57:20):
The podcast on.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Esau is literally taking his foot and pushing bruising the
head of Jacob, and Jacob is holding slash bruising Esau's heel.
And if you look at it, like I said earlier,
were the priestly garments. The robes were taken from Satan

(57:43):
and given to Adam his family line. His people lost
that birthright. The birthright goes to the eldest son. So
if Esau was a serpent seed, it makes perfect sense
and motive to why Satan would flip the script because

(58:03):
now his seed is going to come out first and
he's going to get the birth right and the garments
are going to come back to the family.

Speaker 5 (58:14):
So justin thank you so much for your insights with
regards to who you think Esau is according to the
Bible and the Book of Joshure and Enoch and what
have you. And there's some truth to that. I'll have
to do a deeper dive into it and see what
the Lord shows me as well that I just love
your unique perspective. As a matter of fact, that's part

(58:35):
of your Prometheus Lens podcast promo is you say that
we should have a different perspective in it. I love
that you do a very creative and well, all of
your fans love that about you. And it's very interesting
about what you had went through with Lilith. And I'm
sure that you don't ever want to take that Parmackeeah
again and like some people might wonder what is formckieth

(58:56):
And basically it's it's medication from the pharmacy. And of
course not all medications will open up portals to lilith
or demons or whatever. But I think the combinations there
might open a door to demonic spirits and what have you.
And weirdly enough, I've seen videos of people that were
possessed and because they took the jab and the demon

(59:18):
starts speaking through them, and the demon in the lady
was saying that it was working with high level doctors,
so take it or leave it, But there might be
some truth to that as well. If this lady wasn't fibbing,
and if this demon was truly speaking through her, then
then it's possible that demonic spirits are working with Illuminati
physicians quote unquote in the high level rankings or what

(59:39):
have you to open up these portals in mankind. And
I've had wild experiences with the ambient, believe or not
like many years ago, I don't take ambient, but I
remember in two thousand and six I had some wild
dreams and what have you.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
And anyway, so justin what was it mainly p Hall
was talking about once the people of the world learned
to understand and read symbolly and it will unlock a
whole new world. When you look at the side of
an e MS truck, what is that? That's the staff
with serpents twisting around it. That is your symbol for
medicine and for doctors.

Speaker 6 (01:00:13):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
That is the staff of Asclepias. Sclepius was a sorcerer
and uh, he's venerated as a god to the Greeks,
and that's what that's based on.

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
Yeah, I didn't know that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
I thought that everyone that It's a lot of things
in freemasonry are doubles speak like I thought that it
was a symbol of Moses putting up the staff with
the serpent. Those who looked at the staff were healed.
But like the simple mind would think that, like myself.
But the real meaning is a sclubpiut. Wow, that's a
meaning that's definitely a deep dive for sure. Justin you
have an amazing podcasts and go check out his podcast

(01:00:52):
Prometheus Lens podcast. He's on YouTube and Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
what have you, and people can become members and listen
to members only episodes that Justin has got a great
member's benefits and what have you. So, Justin and Nutshell,
could you tell us about the member benefits if a
person should sign up as a member.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Oh yeah, if you decide to join us on this
hero's journey. I'm building a community of like minded to
believers because we know if you are in this space
and study and these things, it can be very isolating.
You can't have these conversations with your coworkers, your family,
and it does. It feels very isolating and that you're alone.
You are not alone. There's a huge body of believers

(01:01:34):
that think just like you do. The things that we
talked about today are talked about on a daily basis
with like minded people that love one another, pray for another,
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great speakers and researchers that said that to be willing
to do that. Those are going to be offered to
my members first, and just a lot of East Tennessee. Yeah,
I'm sorry, don't to go.

Speaker 6 (01:02:59):
To one conference in my lifetime.

Speaker 5 (01:03:03):
Me too, I would love to as well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
And with the La La Marzouli does a lot of
stuff out there on the West coast.

Speaker 6 (01:03:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
Yeah, he's a California Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Proxy watchers and I'm trying to thank sky Watch there
in Missouri.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
Yeah, that would be awesome to go to any of
those conferences. I note that you that Justin was in
the Land between the Lakes conference held by Chris Price,
and that was awesome, and Justin talked about his views
on ESAU Epic of ESAU, and that was a great
presentation and he's gone.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
I got two more coming for the All Access pass
holders because I also recorded the session with Vicki Joy
Anderson and she talked about Poe Bader, which was a
god of nightmares and that was a really cool discussion.
And then I got a discussion with the Pol Dixon
and Chris Price. So a lot of those presentations I
recorded and I'm going to be giving those out to

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all Excess pass subscribers.

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To awesome, definitely worth it, folks. So check out the
Promethea Flints podcast on YouTube as well as on Spotify,
Apple podcasts anywhere where fine podcasts are sold. Just kidding that,
and then also the Dick Bible podcasts also on YouTube
and these other audio platforms. So thank you so much,
justin four years, Hime. We really appreciate it. It's been

(01:04:24):
a pleasure and honor and it was fun talking to you,
and it was great having Dawn on board. And we'll
have to have you on board more than near future,
Don when we could be the Mystery Machines and Scoopy
and Shaggy. That's one of those other people's names. We
could have us for the you Be and Justin and Michael.
Friend Melville, you have such a good memory sway. Thank

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you so much for listening in or watching the cross
Fellows podcast.

Speaker 6 (01:04:50):
I'm Jerry, I'm Gone, and.

Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
We had the pleasure and honor of having Justin Audie
Brown with the Prometheus List podcast. Takes the God blessing
to have a spirit filled day, folks, but

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