Lucid Dreaming and Spiritual Battles with Laura Morris

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Pulled me forward, peeled me outof my body, and it was powerless
to stop it. I'd always thoughtthat I was doing this on my own
power, with my orange stored upenergy. But this was like I was
being forcefully pulled out of my bodywithout my consent, and I couldn't stop
it, no matter how hard Itried. And at that moment, I
knew it hadn't been me all along. It was them. They had lied,

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lied to me, and I waspulled out of my body. I
was standing at the foot of mybed, looking at my sleeping body,
and I couldn't move, and Icouldn't move, and I couldn't move.
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to the Crossbills Podcast. I'm JerryMichael here Don, and we have our
awesome guest who's going to share hertestimonial about lucid dreaming. We've got Laura
Moura. So thank you so much, Laura. Welcome, Welcome, Hello,
Hi, Hello, thank you somuch, Laura. So, Laura,

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please tell us about how you gotinto lucid dreaming and if you want
to talk about your testimonial after yourLucid dreaming, or if we want to
just go ahead and just do partone and then we would love to have
you back for part two about yourtestimonial. You want to do it,
sure, I'd be honored. Let'sget into it. So I got into
it totally by accident actually, andthis can go into some history with like

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bloodline iniquity, et cetera, becauseI started loosing dreaming at age five,
and that's not supposed to happen.A five year old should not know how
to lose a dreams. So andyou know there's there. I did find
out later on in my life thatI am from some particular bloodlines that definitely
have iniquity. So if that makessense. But when I was five years

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old, I I had already Ihad always had bad dreams of being chased,
seeing shadow people, et cetera.I was terrified as a child,
but particularly when I was five yearsold, I started having a recurring nightmare.
It was the only dream I hadever had that was not in color.
It was in like night vision,like not black and white, but
like black and green. And inthis dream, every night, I would

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be sitting in the kind of thestand of a rickety old theater, you
know, like the kind of theaterthat Lincoln was shot in. Sorry,
that's not a great description, butit was almost cartoonish it was. It
was small, it wasn't vague,but it had the colisseum like state seating
with flat wooden seats with no backing. And they overlooked this little stage with

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the classic kunter you know, draperycurtains. But it was all in black
and green. And it was meand a bunch of other children sitting in
these bleachers, and every night thecurtains would draw and this what looked like
a giant marionette woman, like anevil queen from snow white looking kind of

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queen, but she was a marionette. She was wooden, and she had
wooden limbs, and she was giant. And every night she would come out
on the stage and she would comeinto the bleachers and she would start eating
the children. And I was alwaysthe last one to be grabbed, and
as she would grab me and raiseme up to eat me, I would
wake up. Okay, So thisdream, yeah, this dream was recurring.

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And it's been so long I can'tactually remember if I had this dream
twice or three times, but Ibelieve it was twice because I think it
was on the second time I hadit, you know, as a recurring
dream would be recurring. I wasvery disturbed by it because normally dreams only
happened once, you know what I'msaying. I believe it was on the
second time and not the third timethat I told my mom, and my

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mom was very nonchalant about it,because you know, always had nimers,
and she just kind of, youknow, flippantly, said, well,
just change the dream. That wasit. And so of course that night
I had the same dream. Ibelieve it was the third night that I
that I changed the dream, andI changed it. I changed the dream.

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So as soon as the lady cameup to the stands where all the
kids were and started eating them.I turned myself into a beaver. I
know this is the most ridiculous thingeither, but in my five year old
brain, I guess that's how Idecided to change the dream. I turned
myself into a beaver, and Iattacked her legs and started eating through her
leg and I ate through her legand it made her fall, and all

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the other kids in the dream alsoturned themselves into beavers and we ate her
up. And that was the lasttime I had that dream. So that
was the start of my lucid dreamingjourney. Yeah, yeah, I had
never gone into detail of the dream. Today I did, but yes,
we turned ourselves to the beavers.So that was the first time I lucid.
I dreamt, and you know,it was like stage one lucidity where

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you can change the dream, right, And from then on I was a
lucid dreamer. They would just happenperiodically. Yeah. Now, for people
that aren't aware of what lucid dreamingis, can you define that for the
audience that are maybe like new tothat concept. Sure? Very simply.

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Lucid dreaming is when you are awarethat you're dreaming in the dream. You're
in the dream, you know it'sa dream, you know you're dreaming,
right right. That's the first stepof lucidity is simply becoming aware in the
dream that you are in fact asleepand that that is a dream and that
you're in the dream. Stage twoof lucidity would probably be changing the dream.

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So mm, it's becoming self awarein dreaming. Well, I definitely
did stage one a lot. Mmhmm. I think it's pretty common,
honestly that people will have a dreamthat they know that they're dreaming, and
then some people may take the nextstep and be like, oh, I
change the dream. You know,that's where things get a little sticky.

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So I know that Nate and BlurryCreatures, I believe it was Nate said
that he changed the dream to flyinstead of fall down a cliff, if
I remember correctly. Now, myshort term every that's what I said.
Is there work when you're for instance, if you're learning how to fly or

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in your case like okay, we'returning into beavers to defeat the marionette.
It seems like there's there's a likea learning curve to how to control the
dream in my experience, that's whatI've felt. I could share my stories,
but this is about you. Thisis your interview. So what do

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you think about getting into actually controllingdreams? Oh that's a little bit higher
level. Yeah, okay, sothere's different methods to do that. I
can only speak to the method thatI learned, which was a bit further
down in my testimony, because Istarted actively controlling the dreams, actively navigating

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them in my late twenties, sowell mid mid mid twenties, like twenty
five, twenty six. But youhad been up until the point you had
begun to uh do some witchcraft andstudy into the occult, and were you

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doing caro? No, I hadtarot done on me, but I never
I always thought that was no.I I started. I started studying witchcraft
when I was thirteen. I didmy first ritual at age thirteen, and
so I had been a witch.If I had already been a witch half
my life, you know, whenI started getting into shamanism, and shamanism

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is a bit more involved, andI wasn't. The thing about lucid dreaming
is that it's practice or actually goinginto astral travel and navigating different layers of
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I'm so glad that he's a busyhill billies. Well from his mouth,
so it kind of trains the brain, or you would say you're you're neural

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synapse. Is it train? Ittrains you to vibrate on a certain frequency
to be able to access different levelsof existence. And that's that Dreaming can
be a gateway to to learning howto do that. So that's why lucid
dreaming is is. I would say, it's a door to these practices that

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are extremely dangerous. Oh yeah,yeah, yes, have you ever heard
about this? And I was goingto look it up and I didn't.
I ran out of time. Notthat long ago, a young girl,
I think she was like fifteen,I had died during an astral during doing

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astral projection. She had been Iguess doing it for a little while.
Her friend was there and she wasand the girl was, look at me,
Watch what I can do, Lookwhat I can do? And she
went into this astral state and shenever woke up. Yeah, her silver

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curd must have been severed. Yeah, something something happened to her. It's
really sad. But I'd say that'sdefinitely a flag to all of those that
might consider doing it, because firstof all, you're delving into a world

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that is all demonic, demonic,you know, that's the blanket term.
It's all evil, that's all thethings that are against God, all the
things that hate the humans. Youknow you're serving. You need to figure

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out which master you're going to serve. And if you serve the devil,
he's going to try to kill you. So anyway I diveria. You know
this is me going off. Istart preaching no, you're you're right.
Well, that gets into a wholeanother can of worms. It's first of

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all, I want to tell peoplewho are into this stuff, you're not
special. That's one of the livesof the enemy that like that. He
likes to get people into this withis pride making you think, Oh,
you know, you're the only onewho knows how to do this. This
makes you better than other people.It makes you more powerful than other people.
You know more, you're smarter thanother people because you know the secret
knowledge. Yeah, ocult means hiddenknowledge, but this is not hidden anymore.

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It's not hidden knowledge anymore. Andit wasn't always hidden knowledge either way.
The watchers or the fallen Elohim.They taught men what their bodies were
capable of. Every human body iscapable of doing this. It's just changing

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the frequency, the resonance at whichyour heart beats and then subsequently your neural
synapses firing in a different way ata different frequency. It's very a physical
it's a physical process. We youknow, people tend to think of our
body as as one thing, inour spirit as another. But if you

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look at like the atoms that comprisematter, the you know, nothing is
actually solid. The atoms are resonatingthe different frequency than the electrons that are
orbiting them. But reality is kindof comprised of electrical grids, electromagnetic grids
resonating different frequencies. So any humanbeing is capable of doing this stuff.

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But we are not supposed to.And that's not because God is like you
know, a nagging parent who doesn'twant his kids to have fun. No,
it's because we are embodied beings.Okay, Like from the very get
go, human beings were not meantto die. The spirit was never meant

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to be you know, separated orsevered from our physicality. We are created
as embodied beings. We were supposedto live eternally as embody beings, and
we will live eternally as embody beingsbecause when we get our glorified bodies,
that is going to be the statethat we were originally meant to have so
so someone you know, like aNephilim, for instance, That's what demons

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are. They're the disembodied spirits ofNephilim. Right, They were an abomination
to begin with. They were notcreated by our creator. They were created
by his creations, by the Watchersand human women. And they are the
lowest order of the Kingdom of Darknessprecisely because they once were embodied. Okay,
but their bodies were abominations and theirspirits were abominations, and when their

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bodies expired, their spirits there wasno place for them. They weren't meant
to be part of creative order,so their spirits had had to roam in
the dry places. Okay, Andthat's probably an allusion to a section of
shale we want to get into SecondTemple literature. That would probably be the
how what we would ascertain from fromEnoch anyway, So where I'm going with

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this is that we are not designed. Although we have the capacity to do
this, we are not designed todo it for I mean, we're designed
to be able to do it,but we're not to do it. It's
it's forbidden for a very good reason. The Watchers taught us how to do
it. I believe it initially withthe cutting of herbs with plants, you

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know, to alter our our frequencyin our brain. Using these, yes,
using substances, we have the capacityto do it right and in our
original form, pre fall, presin. Perhaps there was a god had
a different use for this, orperhaps it was a functionality that that was

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normal for us. I have noidea. I'm not quite sure exactly why
our bodies are capable of doing this, but that we're you know, but
it's something we shouldn't do. Ijust know that the Bible said that which
craftain sorcery are forbidden, and thisis ultimately the highest form of witch craftain
sorcery. It's the It is likethe end game of witchcraft and sorcery.

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It's the goal. And I knowthat the watchers taught us how to do
it. And I know that whenwe're in that state of being disembodied,
or I would, we're not exactlydisembodied. It's just that our consciousness has
now expanded to a higher frequency andis capable of touching other layers of frequencies
when we are not in our normalstate, when we are outside of it,

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we're extremely susceptible because we're like agnat in a jungle. Okay,
anyway, so there's a reason it'sforbidden, and dreaming is generally the way
that a lot of shamanic belief systemsattained that end game of being able to

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project astrally. So thanks for comingto my You obviously have a lot to
teach on these subjects, and wecould get into each one of these rabbit
holes of truth and really banned truthin these days. But I think it
would be really cool to hear yourchronological story. I know you did a

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podcast and a double podcast with GloveryCreatures, and it would be really nice
to hear it again. As faras maybe in reflection to what you just
said with you know, talking aboutlucid dreaming, and I would like to
ask you questions about positive dreams becausethe Bible is full of those. But

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just to kind of introduce our audienceto your story, would you mind getting
into your your timeline as far asyour your chronological your insights and journey from
the New Age into the into thefaith. Really sure? Well, I'll
start by saying I was never reallyinto the New Age and that the New
Age was never a thing. WhenI was younger, I went from witchcraft

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to straight up oh cold when Iwas I was adopted at two weeks old
to wonderful Christian parents. So theyraised me to be a Christian. They
raised me in church, they raisedme to know Jesus. But I started
having supernatural experiences from my very earliestmemories. Like I had mentioned seeing shadow

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people, I would see I wouldliterally see outlines of what looked like men,
like shadow people kind of dancing onmy wall at night. I was
always I was always scared, constantlyhaving nightmares and being chased. When I
was nine years old, we movedinto a new house and I saw a

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holographic being or figure looked kind oflike if Slimer from the Ghostbusters had a
baby with a jellyfish like throughout,just floating through my hallway of our new
home, and absolutely terrified me.I was, I was just seeing things
that shouldn't be there. And Iwas fine. I wasn't mentally ill,

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you know, I was just anormal kid. But I experienced a lot
of fear because you know, Iwas experiencing things that other people said was
my imagination, you know. Butthen as I got older, I started
having other kids witness things happen aroundme, you know, and that confirmed

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to me that no, these werenot just isolated incidences that were in my
head. It wasn't just me beingcrazy. So when I was nine moving
into that house, there was actuallya cemetery nearby that house, and we
would walk the dog over there.And one time a friend and I were
in that cemetery and we saw whatlooked like a man coming towards us,

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right, but as we kind ofgot closer and he or it or whatever
got closer, we realized this personhad no nothing from the waist down legs,
like it was just yeah, andwe just ran out of there.
So, you know, in church, I would ask, like my mom's

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priest, mom and dad went toan Episcopal church at the time, you
know, hey, why is thishappening to me? And you know,
what is this? Like, whatdoes the Bible say about this? And
he wouldn't give me answers. Hewould just tell me that it was my
imagination and then that stuff wasn't real, and that really messed with me.

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Yeah, I had a very similarexperience. It was really frustrating that there
were no answers at church. Andso because I was kind of a loner
because of some trauma that happened tome as a young girl, I really

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had nobody else to ask, andI just kept it to myself until you
know, I became much older,and you know, I really wish And
then when I became a Christian orstarted going to church, and I tell
my story and I get the iroll, oh, sure, you know,
and it's so frustrating. It's likethey that there are still wonderful, beautiful

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Christians, but they they don't believein the supernatural or and I just don't
understand that how that works, youknow, and scary, it is scary.
It's much more convenient not to believein it. Yeah, and we're
discovering there's all kinds of people outthere like you and me, and and
lots of people you know, thatare discovering one another and going, oh,

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I'm not alone. This is athing. Yes, But unfortunately,
you know, Western Christianity, orI would call it Churchianity, didn't really
handle it too well. You know. So if I was like, well,
if these people don't have the answers, then obviously they must not have
the truth, Like how could theysay they have the truth if they can't

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even explain what I'm obviously dealing with. And it was scary to me.
Was I was always scared. Ididn't want to be scared. Like I
was mad that I was scared.You know, I had been very sick
as a kid. I'd really severeasthma, and to kind of help my
asthma get better, my doctor,my pediatrician, told my parents to put

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me in figure skating because it wascold and exercised induced asthma. So they
did, and I became a veryhigh level athlete. Actually, you know,
placed at regionals and got to goto nationals. So I was like
a national level competitive figure skating athlete. And so by age thirteen, I
was at like you know, Iwas at I had just finished regionals and

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I was feeling pretty strong physically,you know what I mean. But like
it really bothered me that I wasthat I was still dealing with fear,
and I wanted control. I wantedcontrol. So I went to the library
and I checked out as many booksas I can. This dates me,
right, We didn't have you know, on the internet at that point.

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If you wanted to load like Yahooor geosides or angel fire or something.
It would take like an hour.I think we had like twelve K.
I don't think we had fifty sixK back then. This wasn't like I
didn't even have computers. So,I mean, I'm the last generation to
grow up without the internet, really. But so I went to the library
and I checked out a bunch ofbooks on Wika, and so I started

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getting into ritual magic at age thirteen. I studied wick in magic, I
studied Druidism. I started doing likeI made myself a Ouiji board with a
pink highlighter pen on the back ofa big poster, which that was not
super smart. That's when the poltergeistactivity started in my room. Coincidentally.

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Lead yeah, yep, no,don't do that. Don't do it.
It's a stupid idea. It's notsuper smart. I got into anime because
I started watching Sailor Moon on Foxat five am before I'd go skate in
the morning before school. That alsodates me, and that got me into

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like Greek mythology and stuff, youknow, because it was based on Greek
mythology, So you know, thatwas kind of the beginning of the Then
the whole downward spiral that my lifetook because you know, I was at
this extremely high level of athleticism andbut mentally I was I was getting worse

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and worse, and so I triedpharmaceuticals for the first time at thirteen.
My parents thought I was going crazy, because that's what the ocult does to
you. It makes you, yeah, kind of kind of kind of looney.
So they got me on essentially withretaalin that was concerted of but it's

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similar to riylain and then some SSReyes, So I got hooked on uppers
and downers. You know. That'skind of when the spirit of addiction made
its debut in my life. Andby age fifteen, I did my first
binding ritual with a poppet on aboy who hurt my feelings. Man,

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that poor kid. He was outof school for like three weeks. Yeah,
it's it's like voodoo. You makea poppet, which is like a
little doll, and you do aritual with it as if it's okay.
Well they call it a poppet,but it's it's like a little doll that
you you ritually create it and yousew it together and then you do a

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ritual on it. I know,it's it's really super evil. It's really
evil. I'm like laughing about it, like, yeah, does it work?
Yeah, the kid almost died.I feel so bad. Yeah,
no, he was. He gotso sick. He like went to the
hospital. He was out of schoolfor like three weeks I think maybe more,

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and everyone I was like where ishe? You know, And people
were talking about it because it wasunusual. It was unusual and in my
era for a kid. I mean, now it's not as unusual. I
wonder why, But back then itwas unusual for a kid to be out
of school for like close to amonth. But I knew why. Now,

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how did you feel about that?I don't mean it sounded like the
psychiatrist, but uh, it scaredme. Almost killed him. It scared
me. It actually scared me.I actually stopped the rituals. Yeah,
I guess I still had a consciencein there somewhere, even though I had
really seared it a lot by thatpoint, because I to this point,

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it had kind of been all funand games, you know what I mean.
Luigi board had worked. I wasdoing a lot of fire ritual work.
I was casting circles, calling onthe elementals, and you know,
a fire was my favorite elemental.But I had never done any what they
would call black magic. I hadnever done any anything like that, but

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he had. Really he really screwedme over, guys. I was really
mad, Yeah, and so Iwanted revenge, you know, And I
mean, I'm ashamed of myself.I can't. I still I'm so glad
God forgives us. I'm so gladthat the blood of Jesus forgives our sins
and that he removes our sins asfar as the east is from the west.

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And I shouldn't laugh about it,but I'm glad he's alive, he
didn't die, he's okay. Butyou know, it did scare me.
And I actually stopped doing ritual magiccompletely after that because I realized how serious
it was, and I absolutely didn'twant to be responsible for anyone's untimely demise.

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I mean, I was fifteen,you guys like I was. I
was a stupid kid. That doesn'texcuse it, but I just I just
simply didn't understand how serious ritual magicwas until that point. That was when
I started realizing, like, wow, this is this is real, very
real, and very powerful. SoI would still do cast magic circles and

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do fire ritual stuff with candles,but I never did any anymore binding witchcraft,
which is when you actually put likea hex on someone. I didn't
do that again. So that sameyear, I was doing a candle ritual
with two friends, and after thatthey were no longer my friends. They
wouldn't call me or answer my callsor hang out with me. After that.

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We were in this girl, youknow, it was her in her
front. We were in her roomand they saw something appear behind me,
and like, we're just doing this, you know, candle ritual, and
I look up and I look atthem, and they both simultaneously looked really
scared, and they both left theroom like as quickly as they could,
basically ran out of there, andI follow them out. I was like,

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what's going on, what's wrong,you know? And they and they
said that they both saw something likea glowing greenish bluish. What they said
looked kind of like wings just goup behind me in the room and fill
the room behind me. And theydidn't want anything to do with me after
that. So I think at thatpoint I was already definitely demonically oppressed.

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I only had one incidence in whichI think I might actually have been possessed,
but will have to come to thatbecause that's later on in my testimony.
You know what I think when youdid the candle ritual with the girls
and the wings appeared behind you,that demon showed himself to the girls to
make them to leave you isolated.Probably they were trying to pull you away

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from people relationships, just like oh, abusive boyfriend. Yeah, well,
this is could have been could havebeen a spirit spouse type situation, because
I had a dream around age fifteento that extent as well, and you
know, it was very strange becausea lot of supernatural things kicked in after

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I started, you know, studyingvehicult. It's almost like almost like it
had just come really naturally to me. That it goes kind of back to
the bloodline iniquity. But you know, even another thing I meant I forgot
to mention because we're on, youknow, getting back to the topic of
dreaming. When I was thirteen,that's when I had my first predictive dream,

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and it was, I mean tothe last detail, it was like
I time traveled because in the dream, I lived a day in my own
life at school, I was onChristmas break, thirteen years old, seventh
grade, on Christmas break, andduring the break, I had a dream
where I was at school and itwas like a play by play, just

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you know, like you're living aday in your life at school, Like
it was a slice of time fromat like the end of lunch period to
going out to recess. You know. I was in a private Christian middle
school, so we all still hadrecesses in seventh grade and going out and
playing this game, and my crushhad been giving me a lot of attention

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before the Christmas break, but inthis dream, when I went out,
he completely ignored me and acted likeI didn't exist. And I woke up
very upset, and I was like, oh, I'm so glad that's a
dream. But it was very veryclear. Right the day I got back
to school when Christmas break ended,the exact scenario played out, I mean

(33:47):
exact play by play, like Itime traveled. Yeah, And that was
the first time that had ever happenedto me, and I was just shook.
I was so upset. I waslike sick to my stomach. I
was depressed for weeks because this waslike the first boy that actually liked me
back because I was super unpopular andI was you know, it was a

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very small school. We only hadone class per grade. So once you're
in the class, you're stuck inthe glass. You know, you don't
get any new people. I wentto that ya private school. It was
a private Lutheran school, and theytreated me like crap. And I was
like, is this really what Christiansare like? I saw so much hypocrisy
and they were so mean to me. Even the teachers and kids parents were

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just I was like the black sheepman. And it made me hate Christians
because I thought they were just alltalk, like they put on this righteous
you know veneer right, Yeah,it was a facade, and and yet
they were so horrible to me.And it was like this new kid came
in and he was so cute andhe actually gave me attention, and then

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and then that happened. So thatwas my first predictive dream. And so
back to when I was in teens. I'm sorry, I'm trying to get
through this. Look, guys,I have bullet points. I can't go
for it. This is about yourstory. You take your time. Well,
it's God's Honestly, God is amazingbecause he can take things that the

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enemy uses to try to destroy usand he can turn them into good.
So this story is it's his story, like he's the author, right,
I'm just the stupid, the stupidmain character in my life who constantly tried
to hurt myself. So yeah,So by the time I was sixteen,

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I was fully able to do remoteviewing and see visions. That was the
year I had to run in withwhat I would call a vampire cult member.
He was this weird kid who thoughthe was a vampire and did an
animal sacrifice and left it at myfront door. That was fun. It
was it was It was like alittle rat so or a mouse. Yeah,

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my parents were really excited about thatone. My poor parents. I
felt so bad for them. Butyou know, my dad got to see
me get saved before he went tobe with the lords. So yeah,
God and my mom has prayed forthat for a long time. Absolutely,

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and before my mom got sick,she has gotten to see me fully healed
and made strong. So but yeah, so I was able to do remote
viewing at age sixteen, and itwould just like happen to me. All
I had to do is just youknow, think of a person and I
would all of a sudden get avision. So I was definitely fully demonized
at that point. When I wasaround fifteen or sixteen, I had a

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dream of a man and I don'twant to get to it wasn't like graphic,
but you know, I was alittle suggestive, and I was it
was almost like he It was avery vampire type dream where I was in
like this castle and I was searchingfor someone, like like my heart was
longing for this person. I didn'tknow who it was, but I was

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searching through the floor after floor ofthis castle, and I finally went into
this bedroom and I was alone inthis bed. And as I fell asleep
in the dream of falling asleep,I wake up to this person, this
man next to me, who hadhe looked He didn't look fully human because
he was like two flawless, youknow what I'm saying, Like just alabaster

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white skin, like dark brown hair, long dark brown hair. And then
as I was like waking up inthe dream, he disappeared more more.
He almost looked like a statue.It's very strange. I can't really describe
it. He almost looked like aliving painting or something, because he was
just he was otherworldly, and Iwas like longing for this guy. I

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didn't even know who he was.And I and as I was waking up
in the dream from sleeping in thedream, he wasn't there anymore, and
I threw myself out a window andthen I woke up. And so that
I think maybe if there was likesome kind of incubist type spirit spouse sort
of behavior involved in my life,that was probably the beginning of it.

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And that was around the same timeI had that run in with that guy.
He was actually a i'd call hima boy now, but he was
probably maybe twenty three and I waslike sixteen, and he had found me
on the internet, and it's verycreepy. Right back then, I was
like totally unbothered by it, andnow I'm just like, oh my gosh,
that's creepy. He had found meon an online message board, because

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by that time I already had acosplay website. I was one of the
first five girls in America to havea costplay website. And he found me
on the image board and we startedtalking and he asked me to meet him
at that cemetery, and I did, and we had one meeting and hung
out and then I left, andI guess he followed me. I didn't
realize it because the next thing Iknew, like two weeks later, I

(39:00):
had a dead animal on my porchwith a note talking about me being some
kind of It's so cringe. Idon't even to say it so embarrassing now
it like makes me cringe thinking aboutit. But he called me, He's
like, you're in my Vampire Princess. Yeah, oh, I just my

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phone. Just I just pulled myphone down. Sorry, I cringed so
hard. I pulled my phone offthe shell. Just so you know.
I come from high school anime daysof like buying videos at whatever anime conventions,
so that kind of stuff. Yeah, he was one of them,
but he actually it was so cringe. But this guy was so trench He

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actually killed an animal. That's that'sthat's beyond normal cringe level. Do you
think he was doing trying to doa ritual? Absolutely, it was.
It was a hallmark, Hallmark ritual, Hallmark spell like like because the napkin
was written in a red substance andI am pretty much I hope. I
don't think it was blood because itwas like not dark brown, it was

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like dark red. But I'm sureit was something. It was something,
and it smelled really bad. Sowas just threw it in the dumpster and
I just went along my business asif it never happened. But it did
happen. That's when I started goingto anime conventions when I was fourteen or
fifteen. I did my first classplay at thirteen, and so as things

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went along, I met my futureabusive boyfriend at seventeen at anime expo yay,
and I turned eighteen the next month, and then at the end of
being eighteen, I actually left hometo pursue being with this guy. He
moved from California to Colorado to bewith me. I started smoking weed daily

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when I was nineteen, and fromseventeen to nineteen, I kind of actually
it might have been his influence too, got more into the I guess conspiratorial
stuff like I read William Cooper's Beholda Pale Horse when I was nineteen and

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started to understand, you know,shadow government, that concept, and you
know, around that time, Ithink I was twenty when I first got
ahold of the book The Secret Doctrineby Helena Blovotsky. I mean I was
already fully like psychic, you know, super cringe. You were definitely being
indoctrinated. Oh, I was demonized. I was fully demonized. And but

(41:39):
by by that time I got intothe more occultic stuff because you know,
I was read. I read aboutManly P. Hall and and of course
you can't have Blovotsky without Alistair Crowley. But the one I really got into
was g I gurd Jeff his back. I heard you say that he was

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a real he was the real deal. Unfortunately, and his disciple P.
D Aspensky came up with this beliefsystem called the Fourth Way, based on
Gurjeff's teachings. But I don't thinkP. D Aspensky really even understood Gurjeff's
teachings. I think that Carlos Castanadawas closer to understanding it. He's another
author I got really into. ButI had had a lot of predictive dreams

(42:25):
at this point. At age nineteen, I had a predictive dream of my
grandpa passing away, and he didwithin Oh, I think about a week
of the dream. And so youknow, I was having lucid dreams once
in a while, like the oneI mentioned on Blurry Creatures where I saw
a giant black dragon like hovering inthe sky like prophesying over me. That

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was interesting because I was fully lucidin this. You know what the funny
part is, I don't Actually itwas very much like that typical your special
you're going to do this and that, but of course, you know,
like like basically fluffing your pride,like oh yeah, you're a chosen one,

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you know. But I don't actuallyremember a single word that thing spoke.
I don't remember it. I knowthat I get the just yeah,
it doesn't matter. I know.The gist of it was like this typical
you know, you know, you'vegot to get you know, acquire more
fun. Yeah, you've got toacquire more skill and you know, acquire
more knowledge and all that nonsense.But I don't actually remember a word that

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thing said. I just I rememberthe visuals very clearly because it was actually
really pretty. It was actually reallycool looking like beautiful. But I don't
recall any of the words he spokeover me. I say he because the
voice was masculine. But you know, by age twenty two, I was
just pouring over gurd Jeff's book,Bials books, Tales to his Grandson,

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and then all the Don Juan booksby Carlos Castaneda. I almost died when
I was twenty one, almost gothit by a truck, and that was
the first time I actually went tomy parents' old church and sought Jesus.
But the priest instead of you know, I went up to him and I

(44:21):
was like, hey, you know, I need help. I don't know
what to do. I need Godinstead of like, you know, welcoming
me in. He got pissed andhe was like, you're the reason your
parents stopped coming to church. WhatI was like, So I I left
and that was kind of when Iwas like, well, I don't need

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anything to do with Christianity. Yeah, they just reinforced your your whole contempt
for in resentment towards Christianity. Absolutelytotally, yep, absolutely, And when
I was twenty two, so man, I was like, there's so much

(45:02):
to it. There were so manythings going on peripherally that play into this
testimony that if we go into allof it, we're just not going to
have time. But I was verywell known in the cosplay community at that
point. This is before costplay wentmainstream, but I was very well known
in tell us like a few characterscosplay come on just for fun, and
I cosplayed Sailor Mars. My firstcosplay was actually a homemade Princess Sternity.

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When I was thirteen, I costplayed Princess Trinity. When I was fourteen,
I cost played Sailor Mars. WhenI was fifteen, I costplayed Marine
from Saber Marion at Jay And thenwhen I was I think it was fifteen,
sixteen, fifteen or sixteen, Idid another version. I did two
versions of Vampire Princess Meo. ThenI did Ava from ka Katsuhiro Tomo's Memories

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oav Ava Friedel. It was likean opera singer. It was really cool.
I was really into it. Iwas like, I was actually a
huge wiyaboo. I don't even knowwhat that is. That is a really
cringe anime fan. Oh yeah,And but you know, the Internet was

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becoming more of a thing, andby the age of like twenty, I
had gotten pretty well known on theInternet. Well, it wasn't great because
I was dressing really provocatively. Oh, it's a fun thing anime and cosplay
on the internet. Because he's reallyin the anime. This was a long

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time listen. Another part of mytestimony is that, well maybe another part
of my testimony is that God successfullyhad me wipe the internet like before,
while it was still possible to wipethe internet. He told me to do
that and I did. I didn'teven know what I was doing, but
away from the Internet, like,I was able to delete pretty much everything

(46:58):
because I had all my photos onthe Internet pretty much, and I was
I was on I was on certainwebsites. There's this one so embarrassing,
but there's this one called Chickipedia.Chickipedia, get it Wikipedia, no idea.
I was able to email the guywho you know, the guy who

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created it, and I was like, hey, can you take my article
down? He was like sure,so and then all my all of my
back then the internet worked a littlebit differently and all of my photos were
stored on my own server, andso when I deleted that, that nuked

(47:42):
quite a few source files. Andthen as time went by, because Cossway
hadn't gone mainstream quite yet. Okay, so once the discussion was kind of
like winding down about me and photosweren't being shared as much. You know,
now, if you googled my oldalias, you wouldn't really find much.
And nobody knows who I am anymorebecause that I mean, only that

(48:04):
generation would because you know, asnew people came in, you know,
it's like I didn't exist. Igot out right in time. The girl
who actually took my spot got verypopular and she's essentially she essentially does softcore
porn. And I'm just like,so glad I got out of that because
that's what it became, you guys. That's like, oh my gosh,

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I'm so grateful because that's kind ofwhat I was doing. Though you know,
when I was twenty one, itbecame a dancer and and it it's
embarrassing, you know, but likenow it's not it's not so uncommon and
it's not so like I guess forbidden, like you know, it's it's less
looked down upon now. But man, God really healed me from that shame.

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But I was I was. That'show I was like funding my stuff.
And my ex was a photographer.He actually went on to be a
pretty successful photographer who worked with likeagencies like IMG and stuff. He was
also a compulsive liar, so hekind of faked his way baked it till
he made it. But when Iwas around the age of twenty one,

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that's the time I think I actuallymight have gotten possessed once. And I
am from a very strong Viking lineage, my descendant that would be well known
to sendate as rollo, you know, the Viking that was like yeah and
so. And I'm talking both onmy birth mom and birth dad's side.

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They're both mostly Viking like in theirlineage. And there was an incident where
I got jumped at the at thestrip club and I sent them to the
hospital, jumped like like she hadher hair pulled back, her shoes off,
and she was ready to throw itdown, and I blacked out.

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I don't remember anything. That Iwas told by my at the time,
the girl who was my best friend, that I was laughing like a maniac
the whole time. I was.I just I didn't have a scratch on
me. I just I just went. I went. And so I was
wondering, I was like, isthat like the familiar spirit, the berserker
spirit? Like what happened to me? Because I was about to say the

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berserker spirit? I mean, Idon't want to get into too many details
on this because I'm not proud ofit. No, I didn't get I
didn't get prosecuted because they had allthe whole thing on the security camera that
she jumped me. So yeah,but I think I went a little too
far for self defense because I hadto replace my friend's shoes. That's as
far as I'm gonna go with that. Yeah, well, you know,

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it's funny. It's very similar toJason Pillow when he was discovering he had
alters, he had alter personalities,and that he had an alternate Gabriel that
protected him while he was out ofit in the hospital. So but in

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your case, it was I thinkit may have been that berserker. It
was something man, because I don'tremember anything, and apparently I was like
it was a blackout episode. Itis the only one I've ever had in
my life. And the weird thingis is that, according to what my
friend told me, because she toldme what happened, I don't remember anything,

(51:28):
and I don't really want to getinto the details, although I got
to admit they're kind of funny.It's funny now because she's fine, But
I mean, it's not funny.But you know, looking back on it,
it's like that's wild. It's like, you know, when something's so
incredibly outlandish and ridiculous that you can'thelp but laugh at it. It's like,
oh my gosh, that really happened. Ye take a but so nobody

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could pull me off of her.De fight lasted like seven minutes. Wow.
And and it wasn't really a fight. It was just a it's just
a beat down. It was carnage. I was beating her with a stripper
heel. They had to pull meoff of her, and they, like
the girls couldn't. The guy whoworked back there, you know, feeding

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all the girls couldn't. So tworeally huge bouncers finally managed to pull me
off of her. And they werebig. These guys were like six or
five, like they were not normalsize. They were, yes, And
I didn't get in trouble. Theyyou know, they had the footage showed

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what she did. But she sheshe was she was hospitalized. To my
knowledge, there was an EMS vehicleout there when I left that night,
and I and she didn't come aroundfor like two months. And I feel
really bad now. But something hada hold of me and it was very
violent something. Yeah, that's veryscary. It is scary. Because that's

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twice all of you at all.That's twice that I could have hurt someone
really really badly. These demons theywant to steal, kill and destroy.
Yes, anyway, I mean I'mgetting off topic. I'm sorry, but
it started to rat anime cosplay,like beating up people at the strip club

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with the Brazerker spirit and and we'reall Christian now, right, so it's
look back, Well, what wasthat? I feel like one thing I
want to ask you because it wasso embarrassed. We we do a lot
of reaching out to you know,in my years of Internet ministry and stuff
is reaching out to people that havebeen in the whole demonic, witchcraft New

(53:43):
Age realm and then bringing people intothe Christian realm. And my grandfather worked
with Derek Prince, and big dealfor me. But then I go on
TikTok and it's like everybody's writing aboutDerek Brince and posting stuff. Derek Prince
isn't that And so what I'm justkind of curious, like going through this
and opening yourself up to the spiritrealm and realizing even your strengths in that

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then coming into Christianity, what aresome of the pathways from those realms into
meeting God, that you might speakto people that maybe they're still kind of
influenced by by those witchcrafty things orwhatever. The astrological profiles, the you
know, my ancestors, my alters, you know all that crap. You

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know, all that stuff which isreal. You make you feel special if
it's something that makes you feel likeyou're the one who's God, you're the
one who's special. You're the onewho's powerful. Yeah. Deceived, Yeah,
well that you know. But youhave to understand that you're not God.

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You're not. Sorry. I thinkwe all know that intuitively, that
we're not actually God. We're not. If we were so powerful, then
why do we die? Like we'regoing to die. You're going to die,
and you might die really embarrassing death. You might die like like on
the toilet, like Elvis, youknow, and guess what happens when you
die? You usually poop yourself likeyou're not gonna it's not being human is

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not pretty, and you're not powerful. And you know, even the most
powerful people on this planet they poopthemselves when they die. Okay, I'm
saying it's it is. The humanexistence is not romantic and you can't idealize
it to that extent. Like thesepeople who think, well, we're all

(55:34):
you know, I've had this experiencelike you know, when you activate your
Kundlini and you get this you know, knowledge downloaded that you are actually the
universe experiencing itself and that you're Godexperiencing itself. Like, well, that's
hell. Because if you're God andyou're imperfect, and you are incapable of
perfect wisdom and perfect decision making andall of this is at your behest,

(55:59):
then that it sounds a lot likehell to me. It's worse than being
stuck into some in some kind oflimbo and purgatory or whatever. That's that's
horrible. I oh my gosh,God forbid that we're God. That'd be
the worst existence I can possibly thinkof. Anyway, I'm sorry to get
back on topic. What I wouldsay to these people is you are worshiping

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a lesser power and that's dumb.Why are you doing that? Like it's
you know, and you can strokeyour ego all you want and think that
you're you know, privy to thissecret knowledge, but you're it's not secret
knowledge. It's not it's not secretknowledge. It was kept from the general

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population for a very long time becausepeople like the Venetian Black nobility, the
Council of three hundred or whatever,they wanted to keep that to themselves.
These high level elite Luciferian bloodlines,they want to be able to lord this
over the in population because they usethese techniques to attain wealth and power and

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keep their enemies under their feet.You know, they've been doing that for
a long time. But this isnot inaccessible knowledge, especially with the Internet.
Ever, and more people are doingthis than you think. You're not
special. You're not special. Youcan be. You can be at the
highest level of of the practices ofsecret knowledge of the occult, and you

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could actually have attained the level ofastral projection where you're able to click out,
you know, and go beyond theionosphere and actually travel further. And
I was. I did that,and I'm not special. I didn't even
have a group. I just didall this on my own after reading some

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books, like humans are capable ofdoing this. But if you want to
become like a d then there yougo, because that's what the end game
is, is becoming is becoming trappedand and then going into the lake of
fire, and if if people don'tbelieve that that's true, all they need

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to do is study a little bitmore. Because all of these cultures and
all these civilizations they have, theymay have opposite perspectives on these laws of
nature and physics and creation and reality, but they all still speak of it
in roughly identical ways. Like ancientMesitamian. Mesopotamian literature is the same as

(58:45):
the Book of Enoch, essentially likeGreek mythology. It's just from the other
perspective. Because they didn't think thewatchers were the bad guys, you know,
the fire of Prometheus, you know, like giving humans self awareness as
they put it. They didn't thinkthat the serpent or the nakash was the

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bad guy. You know what I'msaying, It's all the same thing.
So what I would tell these peopleis, you are not the first to
figure this out. You're not goingto be the last to figure this out.
But to what end? All thepractices you're doing, trying to attain
higher and higher levels of consciousness,trying to level up, trying to get

(59:27):
more and more advanced in your practices, to what end? Because you know,
for me, I was practicing dying. I thought that I had to
perfect, you know, having afully formed double to be able to travel
out of body, you know,and then eventually so that when my physical
body died, I would be acohesive unit of individual intelligence, that I

(59:52):
would retain my individuality after the deathof my body. I was practicing dying
so that I could continue being aconscious inorganic being. Do you know what
a conscious and organic being is?A demon? Yeah? So do you
do? You guys want to becomelike them, because that's what's going to
happen. You're going to become likethem, and you're gonna there's gonna be

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no place for you. You're goingto wander the dry places. You're going
to be confined to shale unless youcan find a body to inhabit of some
sort. Uh. And then whenJesus comes back, you're you're going to
be sent into the lake of fire. That's what's going to happen to you.
So, to one end, youwant to feel special for the super
short little blip of time that you'reembodied, and then experience in that for

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eternity. That doesn't sound fun tome. So don't worship a lesser power.
I think a really good way toput it is if your spirit GUIDs
or whatever you're calling them, aretelling you you're special and you have these
special powers, that you are deceived. They hate you, they think you

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they call you mud. But God, Jesus Christ loves you, and he
does care where you go, andhe gave us, He told the ask
He told us in scripture not todo these things, not because they're not
real, but because they are real, and they're very dangerous, and they

(01:01:21):
put us in the hands of theenemy. And you know, you're special
to God. We're all special toGod for our very own reasons. You're
not special to the demons. Theyhate you. They want you to die
because that's a we got you God, we took one away from you.

(01:01:44):
Yeah. Well, the other thingis is that Jesus makes almost more sense
in the context of that worldview thanin the way most Christians are taught.
Because think about it this way.Anybody who does these practices knows that to
be able to go out of bodyin our dimension, Okay, in this

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layer of reality I'm not talking andthe other ones you can access through out
of body through dreaming. I'm talkingabout this one right now that takes an
incredible amount of energy and to storeup energy. I mean, I went
cullibate for a really long time beforeI was saved to store up energy.
I was living like a monk.And this is why you know, like

(01:02:29):
Tibetan Buddhism, and you know,they they live of extremely disciplined life because
what they're doing requires an immense amountof stored up energy. And the thing
about us is that we're, likeI mean, I talked about this in
the Blurry Creature's episode. We areWe're like a pot to cistern, right
that's designed to hold water, butwe have a crack. That crack is

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imperfection. We are imperfect beings.We have sin. Right, And so
let's say that to reach God,you need the water to overflow out of
your cistern, right to be ableto to for your energy to be able
to expand to the point of astralprojecting far enough to reach the absolute,
which is God in infinity outside oftime and space. That you need to

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be able to have that energy overflowfrom your sistern to a great extent,
Right, can that water ever fillup that cistern enough to even reach the
top, let alone pour over thetop? If it has a crack in
it. No, you're never goingto be able to store up enough energy
to reach the Father because you haveimperfection. No matter how blamelessly you live,

(01:03:38):
no matter how impeccably you live yourlife, you're not going to have
enough. And so the answer inat least in castanetas you know his teachings,
was you have to have an ally. You have to ally yourself with
a conscious and organic being. Essentially, have to yoke yourself to a demon
or to a fall and being ofsome sort. And then when their energy

(01:04:05):
has has you know, been imbuedin you, then you might have enough
to go higher, to go further. Right, can they reach God?
There's the lie right there. They'renot going to be able to reach the
absolute. They can't reach infinity.They can't get past time and space and
click out like that and reach theFather because they don't have enough either.
But what if, what if therewas a perfect human being in all of

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existence? At least one has tohave existed, right, how would a
perfect being? How would a perfecthuman be born? Well, it couldn't
be into the normal process because sinexists in our DNA, right, it's
very into the very coding of ourbeing. We are imbalanced. But but

(01:04:51):
what if what if one had tohave And you know, when I had
that thought, it occurred to me, Oh, that's the story of Jesus,
say man, God himself, theabsolute, himself entered into his own
creation, into this little clay pot, he made right this mud right here.

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He entered into his own creation throughthe virgin birth, which is how
you achieve, you know, asinless vessel, right supernaturally into his own
creation and redeemed the entire lifespan ofa human being from conception to death.
That was a cistern with no cracks, that had the energy to overflow.

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And that to me was like,oh, it makes sense. Jesus makes
sense. And I got really interestedin Jesus at that point. And that
and this is what I also wantto tell these people who are into this
stuff. A lot of you guysand myself included, we just wanted to
know the truth. We were justsearching for God. We didn't believe the
Christians had God right, but weknew there had to be a God,

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and we just wanted to know thetruth of the universe we had. We
knew there had to be more thanthis the perspective were locked in. It
seems like there's definitely more outside ofit, right, and I experienced it
myself. There is. It's notsafe, but there is. It's pretty
scary, honestly, But we justwant the truth. I never had the

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privilege of being an atheist, neverhad the privilege of being the atheist because
of all the supernatural stuff I experiencedmy whole life. But a lot of
people who are in the New Ageand in the Occult in these secret practices,
they Satanism, Luciferianism, whatever itis. They just want to know
the truth and they think they foundit through whatever practice they're involved in.

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And the Bible says that if weseek God with art with all of our
heart, he'll reveal himself to us. Right, and God has also identified
himself as the truth. Jesus isthe Way, the Truth, and the
Life. And even though I waslooking in all the wrong places, I
was genuinely seeking the truth. Iwas genuinely seeking God. The whole idea

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of practicing dying and keeping my individualunit of consciousness was that if I could
acquire and store enough energy, thenI could shoot out of the layers and
become one with the God, withthe absolute who is in infinity, outside
of time and space. I wastrying to escape time and space. I
was trying to have enough energy toget through all those layers and be one

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with him. Turns out there's onlyone way. There is Jacob's ladder.
There is you know, there isa way. But his name is Jesus.
And so what I would tell themis Jesus makes more sense in your
context than it does in what you'veheard at church, probably where you're never

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going to have the ability to storethat kind of energy. But one perfect
man did. And he was notonly man. He was fully God and
fully man, and and he isthe one who makes a way to God
and he is the only way.So he's narrow. He's a narrow way,
right. So I figured that out, and it was the Holy Spirit

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that revealed it to me, andbecause of that I got saved. So
beautiful. Yeah, it's that's along shield, but that's what I would
tell them. He revealed himself toyou, and absolutely beautiful. He saved
me. Man. I was reallyI was wicked, and he still loved
me enough just to die for me. Well, I was at a Kava

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bar today when I was talking tosome new agers and I had my mom
there, holy spirit filled mom andmy siblings and my son, and I
just thought like, how do youwitness to people in this sort of Buddha
New Age witchcraft thing I'm surrounded bywhich here in this little mountain town in

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North Carolina, And how do youreach out to these people? When I
listen to your story, it soundslike you have a completely unique pathway to
salvation that wasn't necessarily through somebody comingin preaching to you with a Bible in
the perfect way. It was likeyou went through this process of no,

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this makes sense. I mean,there has to be the perfect man and
to get the perfect cup without thecrack in it. And it seems like
you came to it in many waysyourself, Like what right? I mean?
Was there somebody that met you,that handed you, that tracked you
know? My parents, My parentsdidn't even try to preach it me.
My parents simply prayed for me.It was the Holy Spirit that did it.

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The Holy Spirit did the whole thewhole work was the Holy Spirit.
And what I want to tell youis, don't stop praying for people,
even people who seem like they'd bethe last person to ever get saved,
because it's the Holy Spirit that doesthe work. It's not all you have
to do is pray. And Okay, you know, we inherently know that
we're simple. We inherently know likeit. And you can sear your conscience

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all you want, but you could, you'll logically know what you're doing is
not right, even if you don'tcare. And I mean, it's funny
because I had been raised Christian,but I outright rejected it to the point

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where I didn't even think about itanymore, you know. But this is
why the Gospel was so powerful whenit was being preached, you know,
in the first, second, thirdcentury and on, and why it just
took the globe by storm, becausethese these people came from a supernatural worldview.

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You know, in Western civilization,I think we've gotten you know,
people stop believing the supernatural because Christianity, the Gospel had so suppressed the supernatural
that people forgot it existed. Butthat the whole scientific, naturalist human is
that's a result, that's a resultof it. That's a result of it.

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Like when you don't have when youdon't have demons, you know,
harassing you all the time. Youhave the liberty to start thinking that way.
But you know, think about itin for instance, in Central America,
right all over the world, youhad these these people who were under
these principalities where if they didn't makeblood sacrifices, their crops weren't going to

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grow and they were going to starveto death. And so if you're here,
would say, oh, that's nottrue, but it was very true.
It was very true. Why doyou think they weren't offering human sacrifices
for fun? Yeah, you know, that was they didn't want to have
to spill blood, but it wasa prerequisite to eating because their crops weren't
going to grow unless they made thesesacrifices. Like so when the when the

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Gospel came to their shores, andthey're like, hey, guess what,
you don't have to do that anymore, you know. And and Jesus made
perfect sense in the supernatural worldview.In that context, he makes he makes
so much more sense because he's heis the ultimate sacrifice, you know,
and and he is God, andhe has disarmed the principalities and all you

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have to do is believe the Gospeland they have no power over you anymore.
When groups with villages, when whenentire civilizations accept the Gospel and accept
Jesus and are filled with the HolySpirit and are covered in the blood of
Jesus, these demons have no powerover them. The principalities themselves is fallen
angels. These principalities have no powerover that that jurisdiction anymore, and they

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lose that geographical area of influence.And now you know, your crops are
going to grow without a human sacrifice. So that that's why the gospel makes
so much sense when you understand theway that the laws of the supernatural work,
and people now they don't even it'sbeing like rediscovered. You know.

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That's why it's so tempting for peopleto get into the New Age and stuff,
because it's it's it's like a shinyobject. You know they were raised.
Yes, you're so, You're soon fire and it's hard to cut
you off. But just to getto the lucid dreams and to lead into

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how does the look. I havedreams every night that I just feel God
is speaking to me. But Iwas interested in lucid dreaming as a kid,
and to hear your kind of testimonyabout lucid dreaming and coming out of
that. I'm interested to hear it. I mean, how did you go
from lucid dreaming into your faith?And what can you speak to this whole

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this whole realm of lucid dreaming andooh, you can just tap into your
visions and your dreams and your like, how do you look at dreaming today
and what was this lucid dreaming experiencethat you were engaged in before. Lucid
dreaming is a step by step wayor pathway to astral travel. Okay,

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the practice that I was involved in, well, it started with learning how
to shut off my internal dialogue,so essentially meditation. So I would sit
and I often used marijuana to helpme with this, so you know that's
pharmacure right there. I would sitand I practiced turning off my thoughts.

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That is easier said than done.But it's like muscles, right, because
the whole thing with lucid dreaming andtraining, this is your attention. Your
attention is like a set of invisiblemuscles where you direct your attention. It's
like in a dark room, youhave a lamp, right that lamp you
can like it or a flashlight youcan like into your attention, and your

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attention is actually going to determine yourentire reality. Now you're seeing attention or
attention. Intention is different. Intentionhas to do with flexing your will.
Okay, Attention A T T EN T I O N is your Your

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perception of reality is completely wielded byyour attention. Okay, this is the
beginning of dreaming. Because as weflex our attention in our waking life,
you learn to do the same inyour dreaming life. So when I started

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to learn how to turn off mythoughts, I started to be able to
download, I guess for a betterlack of a better term, receive information.
It was I would hear it likeaddedbly in my head, like a
man speaking to me and giving meinstructions for what to do. These practices

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to There were physical, physical practices, almost like exercise, these practices to
do to level up my lucidreams.That's not how he put it, but
that's essentially what it was. Theorgan in your body that is responsible for
your attention, the external organ,not your brain, but is your eyes,

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your eyeballs. Your eyes are themain organ we utilize for where we
for our attention. So the instructionswere essentially a variety of exercises that I
would do with my eyes, focusingexercises in terms of depth perception, focusing

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techniques, tracing techniques where I woulduse my eyes to trace lines around objects,
and then as I would be fallingasleep, I would recall such objects.
I don't want to get too deepinto details, and don't get into
don't detail, you don't want anyright, Yeah, they're very they were
very practical, okay. And youwould learn to use your your two eyes,

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your left and right eye, andtandem almost like knitting with your hands,
and you would learn to send outessentially like strings. Anyway, it
was very technical, it was itwas extremely physical. So how now,

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I remember in your testimony with Nateand Luke you spoke about Jesus speaking to
you about about the lucid dreaming andcould you uh go over that and and
what what is that like? Andand did you fall to the floor?

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What happened when you expect that voiceof Jesus. Well, that was a
totally different experience. That's the runningdown the street naked at one in the
morning experience. I'm not too fondof that story. All my stories are
embarrassing, but thank god he's givenme a stupid things. You know.

(01:18:20):
It's funny. I actually charged myphone before this, but now was saying
I have ten percent batteries, soI might have to grab my charger in
a minute. If you can takea break, that's fine. We're already
an hour and a half in,so up to you. We're yeah,
let's go intil. Let's just gountil it dies because we'll probably need to

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do a part. We'll try it. We'll do a part two anyway,
I think exactly. If you guyswant to, I'm down. Yeah,
we do, absolutely so Okay.So when I started learning these techniques,
it really took my lucidreams the nextlevel because what it was designed to do
was to enable me to are navigatingactual layers of time space. I would

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go to places in my dreams,and I learned to move in dreaming because
moving as a conscious and organic being. Moving as basically moving as an energy
field that has now been projected outof your your body's energy field. Because
you your body is not just physical. Your body is an electromagnetic you know,

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it's its own set of frequencies likeyour atoms or you know, that's
what you're made of. If you'remade of little little things, you're not
totally solid, right. But sosetting out what we called a double which
is you know, you have createda cohesive unit of consciousness that is like
a mirror image of yourself but cantravel outside of yourself. And there's a

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whole process to creating one and maturingit to the point where it can travel
like that. I had put ina lot of work to be able to
do that, and I was nowat that at this point, probably by
the age of twenty five ish twentysix. It's hard for me to remember

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exact dates and ages because I'm almostforty, but at that point I wasn't
sleeping anymore. I was awake allthe time. I was just as awake
in my dreams as I am rightnow. And stuff started seeping into my

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waking life, because my waking lifefelt a lot like my dreaming life.
But I started seeing things in mylike waking life that I would normally see
in dreaming, like those silver stringsI talked about, right, I started
seeing those in real life, whichwas weird and scary because I started to
think am I already dead? Youknow? I started, like I had
mentioned in the interview, I startedseeing the same repeating numbers on license plates

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everywhere I went. I was freakingme out. So I started hearing the
instructions, like my thoughts would turnoff for no reason during the day.
Sometimes I wouldn't even be meditating anymore. They warned this would happen, and
they will not warned. They werelike, oh, you know, you're
gonna get so advanced that eventually yourthoughts will automatically turn off and you'll receive

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information from us whenever. So Iwas in the shower one night. It
was at one am. I wassober, I hadn't smoked weed all day.
I was in the shower and Iwas just chilling in the shower,
and all of a sudden, mythoughts turned off and I started receiving a
download. And it was like,we're going to give you an exercise,
and if you do this correctly,you'll level up. And it felt real

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urgent. It was like get outof the shower right now, open the
door, run out of your house. I mean, And all of a
sudden, as I as I'm hearingthis, my consciousness like starts to split,
like like half of me is goingout of body at half of me
is still in my body, andmy burst out the shower. I'm naked,
dripping way. It's forty degrees outside. My Mom's like, what's going
on? You know? She wasshe was trying to She had been sleeping

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on the couch because my dad wasterminally ill, and like, you know,
she she couldn't he was breathing.He had a I entered stitchual lung
disease, and so he had troublebreathing, so he would sleep in the
bedroom and she'd sleep on the couchin the living room, like listening for
his breathing. And she caught mein front of the door, and I
just like, you know, pushher aside, ran out the door.

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And as I'm running down the sidewalk, I don't feel anything. I know
I'm running, but my consciousness wasgoing through like what looked like a tube,
a tube, like a black tube, and I was going up and
up and up and up, butI could not get to the top.
There was like a light, likea pinhole looking light at the top,

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and I just couldn't quite reach it. And I'm just running down the street
bodily as my consciousness is just justejected up through this tube and I'm trying
to get further up the tube,but I can't quite reach that light,
can't quite make it out. Iknew I had to get out of the
tube to get back into my body, and I was freaking out because I
was split and I never had asplit consciousness episode. And so I kept

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speaking the names of what the newagers would call as sended masters, or
basically people who had enough energy toreach a state of being like a conscious
and organic being. Right, SoI was speaking names like yeah, that's
thrown out like Buddha, you knowwhatever, Castaneda, whoever. I don't
remember the names. They don't reallymatter that much. But I couldn't get

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I couldn't get further. I couldn'tget far enough. And all of a
sudden, I don't know why,but just out of my mouth, and
I think it came out of myactual mouth, I spoke the name Jesus
Christ. And as I did that, I didn't It wasn't like I continually
was moving up. It was likeas soon as I spoke his name,
bam, light, I was backin my body and I heard in my

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head the greatest of these is love, and I was like, whoa.
And I was at the end ofthe street, freezing because now I can
feel my boddy. And my momran up behind me and wrapped me in
a blanket and got me in thehouse and she was like, do I
need to take you to a mentalloss? I was like, please don't.
So she gets me in my roomand I'm still just you know,

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I was half elated because you know, I was stupid. I thought this
was like some kind of transcendence episode. I thought I was like leveling up,
you know, but I'm shaking.I couldn't warm up. And I
get under the covers and wrapped upin blankets in my bed in my room,
and my dog Capone comes up,giant German blockhead, wrot whiler,
sweetest boy, and he lays ontop of me. And I'm just sitting

(01:24:49):
there in my room, just shivering, and all of a sudden, I
hear an audible male voice start talkingto me. And I had never had
that happen before. I'd heard,you know, I had heard these entities
speak to me like in my mind, but I had never actually heard with
my physical ears. A an audiblevoice like sound waves. It was a
man's voice, and it was verystern. There was not an ounce of

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pity in that voice. Not mean, but stern, like kind of angry,
you know, like a father wouldbe if he did something really really
stupid, because I did, andhe told me what I needed to do
to get my life together. Hegave me very specific instructions of what to
do. And at that time,you know, I had been put on

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a lot of pharmaceutical medications because theythought it was crazy, which it's fair,
it's fair. I was kind ofcrazy. I mean, when you're
in the occult, you go crazy. Literally. That's another thing for people
who are into the New Age,is like you're you're crazy, and you're
gonna go crazier and it's not goingto get better, and you're going to
suffer. You're going to be anxiousas hell. You're going to be depressed

(01:25:55):
all the time. You're going tohave you know, you're gonna have sleep
peralyssis, You're gonna be sick allthe time. You're gonna be miserable,
You're going to contemplate suicide, youknow, because you're demonically impressed and there's
no there's no getting better apart fromJesus. Truly, he's the only one
who can heal you. But Iheard this audible voice and I was elation
was gone. I was like actuallyscared. I mean, it was like

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the fear of God came over me. I knew this was God. I
didn't know who he was. Imean, you would think after having called
in the name of Jesus, Iwould understand it's Jesus. You called his
name. He's talking to you becauseyou called his name. But no,
I didn't realize that until a lotof years later. But I just knew
this, this voice was not likethe other ones. I knew this was

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God. I knew I knew Godwas talking to me, and I was
terrified. I was shivering to mycore. It was no longer just physical
shivering. You guys, I wasn'tlike right for like a week after that.
For days after that, I justsat there. I took time off
school. I just sat there onthe couch in our sun room and just
stared at Skyrim on my TV.Score. Well, it wasn't it.

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Daniel and Ezekiel, they were sickfor days after the experience with God.
I was emotionally shook. And youknow, after I got saved, I've
heard his voice a couple more timesin dreams, and the two times I've
heard his voice and dreams, I'veactually fallen flat on my face as if
dead. I'm not kidding. Yeah, every time I've heard his he gave

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me the gift. The spiritual giftthat he's actually given me is prophecy,
and it's a doozy man. Andit's interesting to see the juxtaposition of like
occult gifting, you know, thecounterfeit demonic stuff versus actual Holy Spirit power,
and man Holy Spirit power is likeinfinitudes beyond demonic power. Like That's

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why I want to ask these people, why do you worship a lesser power?
Like your stuff bounces off a Christianlike as if it never can't touch
them, and then it hits youin the chest. It recooled just it
could kill you, like trying tocast a hex against a Christian could kill
them. I'm not kidding. Really, like the power, the power that
is in us you guys. Peopledon't understand Christians take it for granted that

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God is inside them. The HolySpirit has maken your has made you His
home. His dwelling place, histemple, like the Holy Spirit is in
you. He's God Like. That'smind blowing, Like there's no greater power
than that. And he does iteffortlessly. He's not gonna just like you
don't have to go through all theseleaps and hurdles and do all these rituals

(01:28:38):
to achieve these little results. No, he can actually just use you to
like say a three word prayer andraise somebody from the dead. Yeah,
yeah, it's you know, Iremember when I was when I on the
day when I was turning a leavethe occult and and I'm talking to God

(01:29:02):
and I was all, you,not me, And then there was this
part of me. Well, Iguess it's back to the mundane. No,
right, No, he heals usthough. Like honestly, I was
really happy after I got saved thathe made me like normal again in terms
of like my my cognition and myperception. He made me feel normal again,

(01:29:25):
like my sleep, like my dreamswere normal again. He delivered me
from the lucid dreaming. I mean, there's so much more, Like I
don't want my battery to die beforeI get into how I got saved.
No, we got to do anotherwill we'll definitely follow up on this side.
I think we're getting to the pointwhere people may not It's wow,
it's been almost two hours ago.No, I could totally talk to you

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for hours and hours for sure.Yeah. Yeah, I'm glad that Don
and you are talking because Don hasa similar kind of background we interviewed Don.
You guys got to listen to DonElliott's episode on Strange Clock and Cross
Files. But Laura, you haveso much I think that we'll speak directly
into all these people that are gettingout of that stuff that's real, Like

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you need to realize this is real, but to also realize the reality of
God's power and the Holy Bible andthe Holy Spirit and just your whole testimony,
which we barely even got into.So yeah, I can't wait the
show. Yeah, and that showI can explain how God actually saved me.

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The story of being getting saved iskind of a crescendo in the whole
thing. And then there was tenmore years after that where he he actually
completely healed my whole body in away that shouldn't happen. It was like
a creative miracle, straight up.Yeah, thanks guys for having me on.

(01:30:56):
I'm surprised I actually didn't get tothe part where where he saved me.
Do we have like three minutes forme to get into that. We
have a let me see, wehave two and a half minute. Now,
we have all the time in theworld long as your phone, as
long as your phone does please tellus like definitely share that part because that's
probably the most important thing, andthen we can also pick up from that

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part and go on forward. Okay, and this was when when was this
like what you're exactly? So itwas August of twenty thirteen. Yep,
August nineteenth of twenty thirteen, SoI'll try to make it as brief as
possible. It took it. Therewas a whole series of events where I

(01:31:44):
lost the My dog was the onewho always would wake me up from when
I actually went out of body inthis layer of reality. That's the most
dangerous kind, right because if yoursilver cord gets severed, or we called
it in my practice as we calledit an assemblage point. But if that
geld severed you, you can't getback in your body and you die.

(01:32:05):
And I was pretty convinced I woulddie when my dog wasn't around anymore,
because he was the only one whowould ever wake me up, you know,
and get me back into my body, because he would end the experience.
He would always interrupt my experience.I didn't actually know how to get
back into my body at the endof it because he always just interrupted the
experience and never had the opportunity toattempt to get back into my body.

(01:32:28):
He would come and he would youknow, he would nudge me and then
bam, you know, I'm backin my body. So it's like he
always knew. It's like he alwaysknew that I was doing that. Somehow,
I feel like he was kind oflike a guardian angel or something.
I mean, he was a dog, but he was super smart and anyway,
through a series of events, hedied. And the night that he

(01:32:50):
died, I thought, man,I think I'm going to die if I
go out of body again. Youknow, he's not with me. I
just had this very deep sense offoreboding and impending doom. And I was
so distraught. After we came homefrom putting him to sleep, I was
so I was just it was theworst day because he was like my baby,
you know, I loved him somuch, and I'm and I just

(01:33:14):
got on my knees and I,you know, I said, Jesus,
if you're real, you know,then I'm I think I'm ready to surrender
my life to you because I can'tdo this anymore. You know. It
was just a very short, simpleprayer. I've been very dramatic, stick
on my knees in the rain outside, but I was in a moment of
emotional duress and I just, youknow, I was miserable, and I

(01:33:38):
was scared because I knew that goingout of body again, I was pretty
sure it was gonna kill me.So that night that night, you know,
usually when I go out of body, I was like it was like
two hands would gently like push meon my side and I would roll out
of my body off the side ofmy bed and stand up and look down
in there was my body. Itwas always very gentle, and it was

(01:34:00):
always off to the side. Itwas always like through like the left side
of my body, Like the pushwould come off the right side and then
I'd roll out through my left side. Well, that night, I was
you know, falling asleep, andas I got into arim sleep, something
pulled me forward, peeled me outof my body and I it was powerless

(01:34:24):
to stop it. I'd always thoughtthat I was doing this on my own
power, with my orange stored upenergy. But this was like I was
being forcefully pulled out of my bodywithout my consent, and I couldn't stop
it no matter how hard I tried. And at that moment, I knew
it hadn't been me all along.It was them. They had lilied it
lied to me, and I waspulled out of my body. I was

(01:34:44):
standing at the foot of my bedlooking at my sleeping body, and I
couldn't move, couldn't couldn't move,couldn't even move my eyes. I was
just fixed looking at my body.I could not move to the right or
to the left. I was fleetparalysis a little bit well, but I
wasn't in I was. It waslike I was frozen in time. I

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was frozen. I couldn't even openwhat I would, you know, think
of as my mouth. I wasn'tlike, you know, But as I
stood there, I was like,this is it. I'm going to die,
you know, this is it.I was so scared. It was
the scariest woman I've ever had inmy entire life. And I managed to

(01:35:26):
just in that moment I managed tosqueeze out the thought it felt like it
was stuck in what would have beenmy throat. I managed to squeeze out
the thought, Jesus Christ, pleasehelp me, and I swear you guys.
As soon as I said his name, I was released and I was
floated gently back into my body.I was just you know, every time

(01:35:48):
I'd gone out of body, Iwould wake up violently and I would be
like in a cold sweat, likejust shuddering. I was like I'd have
tremors, like adrenaline tremors, andI'd be so cold. I felt like
my body felt like it had died. I was so cold. It would
take me like thirty minutes to warmup, and then I couldn't go back
to sleep for a long time afterthat. But this time I didn't even

(01:36:11):
wake up. I didn't wake up. I was like floated into my body
very gently, and then I peacefully, supernaturally, peacefully fell sleep. I
shouldn't that was terrifying, but Iwas given this incredible supernatural peace and I
actually fell asleep and I slept andI didn't dream, and it was the
first night of normal sleep I hadhad in probably like a decade. Wow.

(01:36:33):
And when I woke up that nextmorning, I knew. I knew
that Jesus was God, and Iknew that he had saved me, and
I completely gave my life to him. And it was like from that day
forward, I know I was bornagain because all my feelings and interests changed,
like everything. I just I becamea new person, like overnight.

(01:36:55):
Was it like you gove in?I know for me I was. I
looked up and I said, God, all that energy I put into studying
the occult and meditation and all thethings that I was doing, I'm going
to put all of that into you. Yeah. Picked up my Bible and

(01:37:18):
yeah, I haven't put it downsince. Same. It was like,
you know, we were we weregiven like an insatiable hunger and thirst for
the Word of God. Like Iwas the same way. Like from that
day, I just started reading theBible constantly and it was honestly a long
process of It was six months ofintense warfare. After that intense warfare,

(01:37:38):
man, I would hear voices inmy ear as I was trying to fall
asleep. My mom had to sleepwith me for the first few nights after
that because I was terrified, butI would go to church every Sunday with
them. I was so happy tobe there. I didn't miss a single
Sunday. It was like and youknow, I think my parents at first
were like, this might be aphase, you know, but they saw

(01:37:58):
it wasn't a phase. Like Iwas saved. I got saved. I
got saved. And I've been readingthe Bible every day every year, cover
to cover for ten years now,going on eleven. Yeah. Yeah,
so yeah, God saved me.And it's like if he can save me,
he can save anyway. Because Ihated Christianity. I hated it.

(01:38:19):
I hated Christians. I tried todo some some some woo woo on Christians
and it never worked and then pissedme off. You have to get into
that next time. Yeah, what'swhat works for you as far as church,
because there are a lot of fakeChristians and there's church yanity. You
said that word I made that.I think I made that. No,

(01:38:44):
we all use that, yeah isOh my gosh, it is. I
thought I made that up. I'mnot a rich in the least. That's
fine, not alone. It's whatI'm trying to say. And so where
do you find real like strong Christianbrothers and sisters, Like he prays for

(01:39:05):
them and God brings them to Godjust brings them in your life, like
he puts the church together. Heputs the group of believers that he wants
to work together together. Like mytwo best friends. I have two best
friends and man, you should havethem on They're they're crazy incredible. They're
my church. Like my best friendJen and her husband Matt, and my
other best friend Nicole and her husband. You're like, we are basically a

(01:39:27):
church, and we have seen We'veliterally seen God raise the dead, like
God has had us pray. We'vewe've cast out demons. We we man,
we've seen the sick get healed.All he all he does is he
tells is what to pray, andwe do and then he does his thing.
And it's like all we have todo with it is we just obey
him and he does the rest.And it's so cool that he lets us

(01:39:50):
join him in his work. Ifmy phone dies, I'm so sorry.
Well in Auburn visiting your friends,please please please? Yeah, Nicole lives
in Nicole lives in Rockland. She'spretty close. Yeah, you could even
come to Roseveld I would we shouldwe should do like a we should do

(01:40:15):
a podcast where we are together.That'd be pretty cool. Then I get
a good Northern lights background. Icould join you in your cool background.
I don't know how to use zoom. I was on there. I was
like, this is cool. I'llcome and you can have yourself a Laura
Borealis. I like that I hadhad her. It was a bad pun.

(01:40:38):
I'm so, I'm so sorry.That's okay, that's a great pun.
But yeah, next time, maybewe can get into a little bit
more detail. But then the nextten years were a doozy too. Because
God has actually done so much moresince I've been saved all of it.
I want to glorify him because he'sso cool. He does he doesn't know,

(01:40:59):
and we can more than we couldthink or imagine. Man, I
never knew I would actually be healthyagain, because I got really sick.
I almost died. So he's reallygood. We would love to have you
back for a part two for adeep dive into the rest of your testimonial.
And when we listened to The BlurryCreature's episode and we thought that that
was the end of it, whenyou talked about how Jesus spoke to you

(01:41:19):
as a stern father, and thenyou got out of lucid dreaming. And
yet but we didn't know that therewas a whole other world beyond that.
I mean, of course everybody does, but I didn't know that that was
you know, another part of yourtestimonial, which is totally awesome. So
we'd love to have you back sometimein April or May. That would be
wonderful for sure. You know whatI can tell you, The dreams have

(01:41:40):
changed, and they're all together morepowerful because now they're from Him and now
they're prophetic. I'm exciting really thatyour dream after I after that time,
you know, five years ago,I've only had a couple of really have
lucid dreams of Yeah, but thisone just just is stuck with me,

(01:42:03):
and I don't know what to dowith it. Well, maybe with you
to do. Yeah, I thinkhe'll give one of us an interpretation for
you, because if it's from him, he'll always give you an interpretation.
Trust me have it. But I'mI don't think that's all of it.

(01:42:24):
I'm like something is missing, soa dog. I am so sorry about
your loss. I had a GermanRottweiler, and his name was Duke,
and it makes me cry still.I miss him. We're going to see
him again. It's going to beright. I believe that I've heard these

(01:42:45):
two have been waiting for you,Jesus. Let me say goodbye to him
in a really in a god dreamhe gave me. He gave me a
dream where I got to say goodbyeand hug him and smell him. You
shouldn't be able to smell in dreams. Yeah, so if you can smell
in a dream, that's pretty supernatural. And then we'll get it next time.
We'll also get into some things.You know, I can help other

(01:43:08):
Christians with when they have like dreampollution or spiritual warfare and dreams. Yes,
I can. I can probably getinto that. You're going to end
up speaking in conferences. You knowthat, right, I can see that.
Yeah, I'll do whatever God.Not a prophet, but that's that's
what I think. I can envisionthat too, wherever God takes. Yeah,

(01:43:33):
it's up to him. Man,I'm just I'm just clay in his
hand. I'll do whatever he wants. A man, Amen, Praise God.
I totally believe in biblically prophetic dreamsfor sure. It's so nice,
that so awesome that you made thattransition from a cultic type of lucid dream
control to prophetic dreams. I feellike I've had a few prophetic dreams that

(01:43:56):
have specifically come true. But Iknow the show's not about but one of
these days we'll have to do adream about I mean, show about all
of our dreams and what have you. In the next episode, we should
Oh yeah, yeah, that'd beawesome. You know, the part two
we can we'll do a deep diveinto the rest of your testimonial about Jesus,
which is done in your life,and then your prophetic dreams, and
then maybe we could all talk about, you know, one or two specific

(01:44:18):
dreams that we'd love to, youknow, discuss to get the other feedback.
So do you feel better? Doyou feel better? I do feel
better. Praise God, Thank you. Yay. Answered guests that have prayed
for me, And that was awesome. I mean we've had guests before that
of prayed in general, you know, of course, and I give them,

(01:44:41):
you know, thanks to but thatwas it was neat that that you
took it upon yourself to initiate prayer, you know, which is really cool.
Thank you, Thank you for givingme the opportunity to come and just
glorify God. Absolutely tell his storythat he let me experience it. You
know, it was. We're honoredlyblessed to have you bored. We were
so amazing. Is it okay onFacebook? Are you sure? Yeah?

(01:45:05):
It was actually going to tell youto message me and maybe you can talk
about your dream on Facebook? Yeah, Laura, where where can people follow
your work besides the Blurry Creatures episode? Uh? Do you have a website?
Or can people follow you on Facebookor if they want, if they
want to, I'm on Instagram andFacebook. So on Instagram, I'm a

(01:45:27):
underscore Laura Sourus, but I'm regularlikeanosaurus. Yeah, s A you are
us? Yeah, so a underscoreLaura Sourus l au r a s A
you are us? Yes, LauraSourus. Yeah, I'm just a regular

(01:45:51):
person. I don't have any kindof thing. I just have a regular,
normal human being profile. It's private, but if you request me,
I will probably probably prove like Ijust I mean, maybe maybe maybe God
will lead me into doing something,but I haven't. I mean, this
is literally my second time sharing mytestimony and uh, we'll get you whatever

(01:46:16):
he wants. I'll do what hewants. I don't I don't have.
I mean, this is the secondopen door where he's let me share what
what I went through and what hebrought me through. Just want to glorify
his name. Like I don't haveanything else going on. I'm just a
regular person. I don't have anybooks or websites or anything like that.
I just have a private Instagram profilelike everybody else, and was just not

(01:46:41):
yet. David was just a shepherd, was an old man with this stutter.
So I am a forty year almostfour year old woman with ADHD.
So maybe I just that was theperfect It was the second time. This

(01:47:02):
is the second time my phone down. I don't even have I don't even
have the money to get air pods. Yeallso we're wired. We're wired up.
See, I got my I gotmy cool. It's healthier to have
wired because the Bluetooth gives me headaches. If I if I listen to something
for eight hours, I'll get aheadache, So it's better to be wired

(01:47:25):
long term. Well, I havepulled the I have pulled the phone down
twice, as I'm so obnoxious It'scool that were kind of took a tuple
with you, like whoa, Okay, we feel like we're kind of falling
down there with you. On theBlurry Creatures episode this morning, I'm part
two. I was trying to speakcoherently and articulately, but I couldn't pronounce

(01:47:45):
hamon culeus. You know, yourbrain, your head. I think I
said something like homo nucleus or shouldbe a thing too. I just so

(01:48:08):
the word means what does it mean? It's a part of your great it's
a part of your brain. Okay, yeah, And I just like I
couldn't. I mean, I haveI have a very clear idea of things
in my brain, but when Itry to I tried to delineate it and
articulate what I was thinking. Youknow this processes because they're all very technical

(01:48:28):
and scientific, you know things,processes that you know lead you to being
going out of body, you know. I try to explain that, I
just couldn't seem to get it outin a well well articulated manner. It
sounded it sounded like I didn't knowwhat I was talking about, and I
was so frustrated. I was justlike, man, I need to it's
okay. I don't think anyone wouldnot knowing what you're talking about. Like

(01:48:53):
you're talking about I was on likefour milligrams of caffeine. It shouldn't have
been a problem. Man. Sometimesyou've got to get kaffee to get through
your day. I totally understand that. I took twelves today to try to
just get better. Feel better,you know, seems to help me.

(01:49:13):
I had a ton of black coffeeand didn't. That's all the great thing
about being a Christian is you canyou can be humble and you know,
put your foot in your mouth andI don't, and just share all the
embarrassing stories and just like have agood laugh and making bad jukes. Yeah,

(01:49:35):
pretty much. I can't wait tolisten to that episode. That's gonna
be awesome. O pray that itturns out well. I don't want to
like embarrass Luke and Nate. Iwas like, oh my gosh, I
was a kidding. That sounds likesomething that they would enjoy a lot.
Oh yes, definitely. And Luketotally. The balls they are goofballs.

(01:50:00):
I love them. Yeah, socool. All of us like nor Cali
related people, right right. Ithink it's actually kind of a miracle.
Battery lasted this long. Like Iwant to just praise God, thank you
Jesus, you're spending my batterly life, so that batterily batterly the battery life.
Right, it's late. It's alreadytwelve four am East coast and nine

(01:50:24):
oh four, and they know thatit's been a long day for all of
us and you should go to bed. It's right. I will attest to
that. I've had a kind ofwell, last night wasn't a great night's
sleep, but the night before Ihad this, uh, this unwonted lucid
dream, but actually it was reallybut it was I believe that it was

(01:50:45):
a godly prophetic dream. So Iguess it's wanted because I feel like it's
from the Lord. But it wasactually a very very deep sleep, not
last night, but the night before. And I put it in the in
the Facebook Crossfiles podcast group, whichI invited Lauren to it. It's not
the Spider one, but it's theone where I was gonna save this for
this time, but I'll just sayit real quick. So I had this

(01:51:05):
intense dream and it was very adeep sleep in eight nine hours sleep.
It's like oh, thank you Jesus. But it was a weird dream and
I think it's from Jesus, butI'm not sure. But I was in
this courtyard of this university and itwas a grassy, nice area, and
I was looking. I saw agoddess statue and I thought, huh,

(01:51:27):
okay, it's about fifteen feet tall. And then I saw her back was
eroded. The goddess statue's back waseroded by this blast of water from the
ceiling from the roof of this university, which is blasting and eroding the back
of this goddess statue. And itwas like becoming less and less prominent,
but you can still see her faceand her arms. And so what was

(01:51:50):
attached to the water blast was aspeaker, a literal speaker apparatus, and
it was I heard a pod cast. I heard an unknown podcast, not
any anybody I remember, no,but it was a male voice and it
was and he was speaking and andI and I woke up and I thought

(01:52:10):
this is very strange. And I'mlike, okay, does that mean is
that because I, you know,cookies or pizza right exactly? I felt
like it was something symbolic that oneof my friends said that that feminine U.
We're not, it's okay to befeminine, but but that Jezebel type
of darte uh spirit in the world. You know that that's that's through our

(01:52:35):
collective podcasting, right something like that, like samaramis or like yeah right,
yeah, exactly. That's the feelingI got from the dream, and and
that our collective podcasting, such asall of ours is, is somehow eroding
those lies from that as astarte ora semi ramis or spirit in the world

(01:53:01):
taking down the idols. Man,we're breaking down the idols, you know.
I mean, that's a cultural idolright there. People are gonna wake
up. They're gonna wake up,and they're not gonna want to serve the
lesser powers anymore. They're gonna see, they're gonna see that there's a better
way, a simple way, ahumble way, but much more powerful and

(01:53:23):
a peaceful and enjoy fact. Yeah, with rest, there's rest. There's
rest. You don't have to keepattaining to these these levels. And then
there's another level, and there's anotherlevel, and you never have rest,
you know, like you can getto the highest level because Jesus I remember
yeh yes and walking around. It'sjust you know, when I'm driving to

(01:53:44):
work and I'm looking around and everybodyis just angry. They're just walking around
like they're angry, of a angrylook on their face. They I was
walking to my car after work theother day and there were a bunch of
kids, there were probably like eighteen, doing some underage drinking on the hood
of their car. They happened tobe parked next to mine. I'm thinking,

(01:54:04):
oh, great, what am Igoing to say? So as I'm
walking by, you said have anice evening, ma'am. Oh, and
I said, I said you aswell. Well, nice girl that was
with them. She turned around andshe went what and she was about to
go instant Karen, she was onit, and she goes, what did

(01:54:27):
you say? And I said youas well, and then she goes,
oh. It was like complete switch. But it was so strange. It's
like calm down, wow, calmdown. Yeah, she those kids.
Yeah, And I was like,should I call the cops because they're drinking
just leaving sleepa. I was.I was that I was that kid,

(01:54:50):
so me too, me too?Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it's
just everybody. Everyone's so every littleinteraction that you have outside in public is
a chance to witness the Holy Spiritjust everywhere you go, like the Comma
bar today or whatever, little thingslike the grocery store, gas station.

(01:55:14):
It's just amazing a little bit ofJesus. Where they get to see a
little bit of Jesus. You mightbe the only one they experienced, you
know, the only way they experiencedJesus, the only gospel they ever read.
As I've seen it said, Amen, Amen, absolutely well. I
know that your phone will be probablydying here soon. We want to leave

(01:55:39):
on a good note, not allof a sudden like you it cutting you
off in mid sentence and will belike true, Oh no, you know,
so we'll go ahead and wrap thingsup. And we loved having you
on board. We are looking forwardto doing a part two with you,
Laura. We appreciate your time.We were honored and privilege a blessed to
have you on board and thank youso much. So do you have like
a last message or her last orno, you did? You did talk

(01:56:01):
about your Instagram, uh and andyour Facebook which is Laura Morris. And
so if anybody wants to find LauraMorris on Facebook, she's got her cool
workout picture she's doing some deadlifting anduh, she she's kind of like the
Sarah Cotter, Uh you know picturethere with She's got her barb bells and

(01:56:23):
everything, and I'm like, wow, go girl, you can look her
up there. Or if you makeone of your AI images with her as
Sarah Connor fight, I should.I will. Yeah, I do like
using AI artwork. That'll be appropriatebecause next time I'll talk about how I
feel like this whole this whole situationwith the ability to transfer your consciousness into

(01:56:47):
different realms is probably going to beused in a or I should say,
corporatized in the transhumanist future not sodistant future, because I think I think
they're gonna make us an internet ofin a way that people may not have
really thought about. I agree.I agree for sure. I think they're
going to upload consciousnesses and I thinkAI might be sentient. Right now,

(01:57:12):
it's quite possible that the Lord intervenes. Oh hey, well, we already
know how it ends. We havethis, we have the spoilers. Guys,
we already know how it ends.Amen, So we can just be
blessed and rest in him, andyou know, look forward to getting caught
up in the clouds of Jesus andgetting our new bodies. I'm down.

(01:57:34):
I'm so down. Thank you,Thank you guys so much for having Thank
you so much, Laura. Thankyou God for sustaining my phone so it
didn't die. Yeah, thank youJesus. All right, I look forward
to Thank you, I look forwardto part two, and I hope you
guys have a great I feel better. Thank thank you so much, Laura
appreciate its nice to meet you all. Nice to meet you

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