Mike Shreve's Journey from Catholic to New Age Guru to Christian Pastor

Faith Unchained: Pastor Mike Shreve’s Path Away from Mysticism and Tradition In this episode of The Cross Files Podcast, hosts Michael and Jeralynn (and Dawn) welcome Pastor Mike Shreve, a former New Age guru turned Christian pastor. Pastor Mike shares his powerful conversion story, detailing his transition from Catholicism and Eastern religions to a heartfelt relationship with Jesus Christ. He discusses important doctrinal differences between Catholicism and biblical Christianity, touching on topics like the veneration of saints, infant baptism, the Eucharist, and the concept of purgatory. Pastor Mike also introduces his outreach ministries, The True Light Project and To Catholics with Love, aimed at guiding people from various belief systems towards a true understanding of the Christian faith. This thought-provoking episode sheds light on spiritual truths and challenges listeners to critically evaluate their faith foundations.  
00:00 Introduction and Personal Testimony
01:15 Podcast Introduction and Guest Welcome
03:05 Pastor Mike Shreve's Conversion Story
07:45 Outreach to New Age and Catholics
10:01 Discussion on Catholic Beliefs and Practices
21:23 Concerns About the Current Pope
36:09 Exploring Catholic Beliefs on the Bible
38:45 Debating Infant Baptism
43:34 Understanding the Eucharist
48:49 The Concept of Purgatory
58:26 Mary Apparitions: Divine or Demonic?
01:03:40 Final Thoughts and Resources 
The Beliefs of the Catholic Church | Shreve Ministries
In Search of the True Light | Shreve Ministries
Shreve Ministries | Speaking the truth in love  
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And so I'm really trying to convince anyone to leave
the church as much as I am trying to convince
them to come to Jesus and have a real encounter
with him and know what he really offers. Being filled
with all the spirit. I did not fill with all
the spirit. When I was confirmed at the age of eleven,

(00:20):
I received the sacrament of confirmation and went through the
motions where the bishop came and laid hands on me,
and then I took a new name of a saint
in order to develop a personal relationship with that saint
the rest of my life. That was going to be
my quote unquote patron saint, which me insert here. I

(00:43):
believe that in itself is a transgression of the Word
of God, because in Deuteronomy eighteen, verses nine through thirteen,
God told the children visual not to participate in any
of the abominations of the heat than and he mentioned
the abomination of necromancy, which is contacting the dead. I

(01:07):
believe trying to pray to departed saints is contacting the
dead or attempting to contact the dead.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
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Speaker 4 (02:36):
Let's get started. Welcome to the Crossballs podcast. I'm your
host Gerald and I'm Michael.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
And I'm done with the New John Podcast.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
And that we have our special honored guest, Pastor Mike Shwee. Welcome,
Pastor Mike. So glad to have you on board.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Very good to be with you. Thank you for the invitation.
I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
We're excited to talk to you, for sure, Pastor Mike. So,
Pastor Mike, if you don't know, he's been on sid
Roth before, he's actually been on my little show back
in twenty twenty under Invasion Brace Radio. And he is
an author, and he's a speaker, and he's a pastor,
and he was a former New Age guru. He had
thousands of followers in Tampa in the hippie movement days

(03:26):
in the seventies. So can you tell us a little
bit about your conversion to Christianity.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
I'll go a little bit further back than that. I
was raised Catholic. I was a very devoted Catholic. Growing
I was an altar boy. I never met anybody priests.
All the priests served under were real good man role
models of kindness and compassion and humility, but they never
led me to Jesus. In consequent I had religion, but

(03:54):
not a relationship with God. So when I became a teenager,
I fell away and got very involved in music to
the point where I was playing in a rock band,
and that was a lifestyle that led me ride up
to death's door. At the age of eighteen, I had
a near death experience and it shook me up, and

(04:15):
so I turned to Eastern religions. It was very trendy
back to do. I got very involved studying under a
groon named Yogi Baschan, eventually becoming one of his student teachers,
and I ran an ashram in Tampa, Florida and taught
Kundalini yoke for universities. And then God got my number.

(04:36):
A very concise presentation of my testimony of salvation. The
Temperature Bune newspaper did a full page half page article
on meets, and I thought it would increase my class attendance.
I did not know that it would also alert a
prayer group to start praying for me. Yeah, it was

(04:59):
a twenty four our prayer chain and they cut the
article out of the prayer out of the Temperaturebune and
stuck it on their prayer board and assigned somebody to
be fasting and praying for me every hour of every day.
How do you escape intercession like that?

Speaker 4 (05:16):
God?

Speaker 1 (05:17):
And the way God put it together was just remarkable,
just absolutely remarkable, Because after about three weeks of being
soaked with intercession, an old friend wrote a letter and
told me that Jesus is the only way you'll never
find God through Eastern religions. He quit college to study
under different gurus. So it was quite a shock to

(05:40):
get that letter. It was a complete departure from his worldview.
So I prayed all day about it. One day and
I said, Jesus said, Larry is right. And if you're
the only way, if you're the way, the truth and
the life, I dedicate this day to you. Give me
a sign today. And I intentionally did not do any yoga,
no meditator, no pronty, I'm a no breathing exercises, none

(06:03):
of those things. I didn't read the bagabad Gida. All
I did was read the Bible and pray to Jesus.
The afternoon, I was hitchhiking to go teach at University
of South Florida. One of the members of the prayer
group was two miles away from me when I stepped
out on the road hitchhiking, and he just happened to
be the main member of the prayer group who had

(06:24):
been involved in yoga before he became a Christian, so
he could speak my language. And I'm still praying, standing
on the highway, saying, Jesus, this is still your day.
If you're the answer, show me. And this guy was
walking in a luner met and God told him don't
go in there, get back in your van and start driving,
And not knowing what God wanted him to do, he

(06:45):
got back in his vehicle and started driving, and whenever
he fell an impulse, he turned, he saw me hitchhiking,
felt compelled, pulled over. I opened the door to his
and it looked in and there was a picture of
Jesus on the ceiling of the band, and I knew
it was my answer. And a few minutes later I
was on my knees and giving my heart to the Lord,

(07:06):
and I was born again, And it was so profound,
so real. I knew I couldn't mix yoga and Christianity,
and I'm appalled at people who think you can. And
because I knew it was completely rooted in Hinduism, inseparably
rooted in Hinduism. So I shut my yoga ashram the

(07:28):
same day, told everyone they'd have to leave and find
another place to stay. And of course I witnessed all
of them. Most of them became Christians too, and I
shut in all my classes at the universities where I
was teaching and started out for the Lord Jesus. And
so for quite a few years, for about twenty five years,

(07:50):
I have had an outreach to new agers and yoga
advocates and Hindus and people of far East from religious
believe called the True Light Project. I have a website
that's had over five million hits. It's called betrue Light
dot net where instantly people can download this booklet for
free in twelve languages, and it's a much more detailed

(08:14):
presentation of my story. And we've been real successful in
reaching people in that outrage. But I've never had an
outreach to Catholics until now, and that's going to be
our primary discussion tonight. And about ten years ago, the
Lord woke me up one morning and I heard the

(08:35):
voice say ivan yet regnum to them, which may not
mean anything anybody listening to you on this group of
people right now, but it's Latin and it's from the
Lord's Prayer. It means your Kingdom Come. And I said
that thousands of times. As an ultra boy, I can

(08:58):
quote the whole Lord's Prayer in Latin, including that line
Advani regnum to them. And I wrote him a prophetic journal,
this must mean God's going to move again mightily in
the Catholic Church and he wants me to be involved.
A number of years later, he spoke to me to
write this book, The Beliefs of the Catholic Church and

(09:20):
twenty five questions comparing doctrines, practices, and traditions to Scripture.
And we've blaunched the website to Catholics with Love and
it's been going for about a year and a half
and God's reaching some Catholic people through it through and
it's all about telling them what God can do for
them to bring fulfillment and wholeness in their lives.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
Thank you, Lord, that's awesome, what a journey.

Speaker 6 (09:47):
I'm so excited to meet you and to know you,
and just so to know that Jody, our partner, didn't
just recognize you, but has actually met you and worked
on your property in Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
It's uncanny. That was really wild.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
My antillity, definitely intism. There's a lot of different kinds
of Catholics I've met. I've been in Jesuit University, just
been around Catholicism a little bit. But what would you
say to someone that joined Catholicism recently leaving Protestantism and
just finding the best parts of it. Is there are

(10:24):
we trying to get them to completely leave the church
or is there's just a lot of clean up work
just to boil things down.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
To be honest with you, Michael, I believe this too
much in Catholicism that is wrong. I believe there's too
much that's incorrect for there to be a blending. One
of the basic beliefs in Catholicism is infant baptism, for instance,

(10:52):
and the belief that when the little baby is sprinkled,
that child is born again, filled with the spirit of God,
original sin is removed, that child becomes a member of
the church and is positioned in Christ, becomes a new creation,
and receives the gift of eternal life. Seven things that

(11:13):
don't happen. They didn't happen to me when I was
sprinkled as a child. I can guarantee you I would
have been a much better person growing up if I'd
truly been born again when I was an infant. And
that's one of the most foundational doctrines in Catholicism. Totally,
how can I say it proves that the worldview as

(11:37):
a whole, religion as a whole, is not on a
biblical basis. It's not on a biblical foundation. And so
I know that there are many Catholics who are genuinely saved,
but I believe there's many who are not that would
be born again if they knew how. And so I'm

(11:58):
really trying to convince anyone to leave the church as
much as I am trying to convince them to come
to Jesus and have a real encounter with him and
know what he really offers. Being filled with all the spirit.
I did not fill with all the spirit. When I
was confirmed at the age of eleven, I received the
sacrament of confirmation and went through the motions where the

(12:22):
bishop came and laid hands on me, and then I
took a new name of a saint in order to
develop a personal relationship with that saint the rest of
my life. That was going to be my quote unquote
patron saint, which me insert here. I believe that in
itself is a transgression of the word of God, because

(12:45):
in Deuteronomy eighteen, verses nine through thirteen, God told the
children of visual not to participate in any of the
abominations of the heathen, and he mentioned the abomination of necromancy,
which is contacting the dead. I believe trying to pray
to departed saints is contacting the dead or attempting to

(13:09):
contact the dead, and I don't believe. Of course, I
took the name Christopher and prayed to Christopher for several
years until the church released a statement that he was
probably nothing more than a legendary, fictitious figure. They never
defrocked him from saint, but they removed him from his

(13:30):
prominent position for a feast day and all that. And
so I realized it, by chance, he is just fictitious
and legendary. I think I'm just going to go to
the headman. I'm going to go to God. I'm not
going to try to pray to some lesser important figure.
And since then, of course, I have a chapter in

(13:51):
the book that deals with praying to the saints, and
I am convinced for several logical reasons that it is
an im possibility to do that.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
I agree with that. I've noticed, I would say, in
the last year and a half, there's been a general
people on YouTube content creators, people who are celebrity are
starting to come to Christ. Yes, a lot of them,

(14:30):
like Russell Brand and.

Speaker 7 (14:34):
Right, I think he went into Catholicism, but in his
talking when he's doing content, he doesn't really.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
Talk about the Catholic Church or Mary. He talks about
his relationship with Christ. So that encourages me. And then
I've heard of people leaving the church and going to Catholicism,
you know, as a new ager who used to as

(15:07):
an experiagor who used to practice formancy. I see, I'm
with you. I see right off the back, what is
wrong with this thing? Wrong with thing? I'm sure they
were great? And what is wrong with praying for them?
And when I talk to I have a friend who's

(15:29):
Catholic who works at my brother's music store. She is
the most wonderful person you could ever want to meet.
She's always smiling, she's always sweet, she's just the best
person I know. And she's Catholic. So I have concerns

(15:49):
about her eternal soul. What I try not to push
because she's just authentically such a good person. But I
asked her when about praying to the Saint and worshiping
the Saint, and she said, oh, we don't. We don't

(16:11):
ceded them worship them. We just venerate them, honor them.
That doesn't seem like that. But that was as far
as I was willing to push it, because I genuinely
love this girl, and I didn't want to and I
want to push it. She's a good woman.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
So I don't know that. I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
I was just wondering about because the fruit that I
see in some Catholics is better than what I see
in churches right here around me Catholics.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
So there's some very loving Catholics, and they have been
leaders in the pro life movement, which I deeply appreciate. Yes,
and they're very passionate about social justice, which I deeply appreciate.
And some of them have been great leaders in this
world that have influenced communists. Leaders in order for the

(17:13):
for the church to have more freedom to the bondage
of communism, I'm all for that. However, when it gets
when it comes to praying to the Saints, and instantly
in Catholic literature they actually do use the word praying,
because the explanation is the word pray just means to
talk to or to communicate. The old Shakespearean plays and

(17:37):
the old King James English, you would say I prayed
the and then tell someone what your request is, and
it just means I'm communicating to you. But no Catholic
would actually quote unquote worship the Saints. That would be
a reserved only for God. But the illogical aspect of
praying to the Saints is easily proven because there's one

(18:01):
point three billion Catholics in the world, two point six
in professing Christians, and half of them are Catholic. If
just one tenth of them pray one Hail Mary prayer
a day, that's one hundred and thirty million. If you
divide that by one thousand, four hundred and forty, which

(18:22):
is the number of minutes in a day, then every
single minute, over ninety thousand people are talking to Mary,
and then wow, the next minute, ninety thousand more are
appealing to her, and the next minute ninety thousand more
are appealing to her. And because quite often they're praying,

(18:43):
that prayer for specific intercession concerning a place or concerning
a person. It would demand that Mary be omnipresent, and
it would demand that Should be omniscient in order to
process that any conversations at once. And so I believe
the logistics of it proved how illogical it is to

(19:07):
pray to this. Only God is omniscient, and only God
is omnipresent.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
Amen. The guy that played Jesus in the movie The Passion,
I can't think of his name right now, chosen, Yeah, answers.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, he said he's a great he's a wonderful person.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah, but I've seen him say that Mary is like
Jesus is a deliverer, She's a she is tricks.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
That's its yeahris interesting and that that disturbs me.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
When he said that, I went, oh, no, I like him.

Speaker 6 (19:52):
But yeah, I love that you're out to them with love.
I think that's so brilliant and they can sense the
love that you have and you're not attracting people to
any specific denomination. You have a beautiful church down the
street from us actually Cleveland. No wonder Jody bumped into you.
What a miracle. But it's absolutely I feel that desire

(20:16):
that Jesus prayed for unity in the church, not under
the pope, like finding that beautiful. However the Holy Spirit
goes about that. It's just wonderful how he's doing that,
and he's using you, guys. I can't wait to learn
more about this ministry that you've embarked on.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
How long?

Speaker 6 (20:33):
When did the Lord show you to get into this
specific endeavor.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
I really started full speed ahead about three years ago,
which is strange to me. I've been saved fifty three
years and next year will be fifty four, and I thought,
why wait, Why wait till this juncture in my walk
with God for me to feel this burden to reach Catholics.

(21:00):
But I went ahead and obeyed the impulse and wrote
the book. Worked on the book two to three years
to polish it to perfection, or at least what I
feel is as perfect a presentation as I could give.
And it was about that time that things started erupting
in the Catholic Church of people being very disturbed, I'll

(21:24):
use those words, extremely disturbed over what Pope Francis has
been doing and how I've seen him participate in a
shaman service, a shaman service in Canada where he let
a shaman lead him and a bunch of cardinals in

(21:45):
different type of shaman rituals. I thought, oh, God, right
with the Pagans, right with the Heathen. And it wasn't
long after that I get an email from a particular
pro life Catholic group that I respect. They're great people,
and anyway, they sent out an email asking people to

(22:06):
pray that the Pope would get converted, and I thought,
this is unhurt Wow, this outrageous. Never in all my
years have I seen an instant like this. But since
that time, he's done some other things that have been
just as troubling to conservative Catholics, to Catholics that really

(22:27):
believe the Bible as they see it, Like, for instance,
he was in Singapore recently with an interfaith youth meeting
and there were Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs and Christians present
in that meeting and possibly others as well, and he
said there are many paths to God, which is not true.

(22:50):
He promoted a New Age theology. Yeah, the Catholics are
feeling instability in the church because of how falsely that
Pope has represented the church. In fact, I've been witnessing
to a Catholic priest in Rome for quite a few years,

(23:13):
and in fact he read my book In Search of
the True Light that compares over twenty religions, and he
has promoted some of what I taught in that realm
among the Catholic priests there in Rome. And he told me,
he said, I will never in his way, he said,
I will never quit being Catholic. But I do not
like this quote. And so it's mate Catholics question what

(23:39):
they really believe and question the authority of those in
leadership over them. And I think that's a healthy thing
because it's going to make them compare Catholic beliefs to
Biblical beliefs and see how they measure.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Up past bike. It sounds like this particular pope is
really ecumenical, believing that all religious lead to God, which
is definitely not only is it not Catholic, but it's
not Christian. And so do you think that this particular

(24:15):
pope has a role in the antimes in terms of
video fulfillment of revelation? Maybe do you think that he
might be the Beast or a false prophet or integrace
or something like that, or at least play some sort
of pivotal role in that regard, I usually.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Don't emphasize aspect of it. I do know this present Pope,
whether or not he would fail that kind of role
or not is up to question. In fact, his health
is failing. There's even talk about another person becoming Pope.
But I do know that he's seemingly friendly with the

(24:54):
World Economic Form Klaus Schwab and others who have a
globalist to agenda and formed the Pope to be. He
spoke with the World Economic Form this past year. And
for the Pope and the World Economic Form to be
working hand in hand is very close to the anti
Christ and the false prophet working hand in the Book

(25:16):
of Revelation. And I'll go so far as to say.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
That, Okay, thank you for sharing that. I just think
this is really important what you're talking about, Pastor Mike.
And personally, I've never been Catholic, but I went to
a Catholic key type of service. It was Episcopalian. I've
definitely been to churches that were very close to be Catholic,
but they were actually Catholic. And I've actually had discussions

(25:41):
with my Catholic friends, and I love them, but there
have been sometimes discussions where there was a question about
is it okay to pay homage to marry They say
that they just pay her homage but don't actually worship her.
They say that it's when you ask Mary and the
saints that have God, that have passed on before them

(26:03):
to when they were basically saying that, okay, if I
were to ask you three to pray for me, that
would be the same thing is if my Catholic friend
was to ask the apostle Peter, the apostle Paul, and
Mary to pray for him or her and so I
then we would discuss and everything. So what do you
think about that passion byke with even though there's not

(26:24):
They say that they're not praying to the saints, but
they're asking them for prayer to pray for them.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
There's a huge difference between obeying the command in the
New Testament to pray for one another, Confessor Paul's one
to another and pray for one another that you might
be healed. And that's one person praying for one person,
or a small group praying for one person, or any
mixture like that. There's a huge difference between that and

(26:54):
thousands of people around the world approaching a saint who
is supposedly going on to heaven and trying to penetrate
into the world to communicate simultaneously with some departed soul,
and that's not commanded in the bibble. The Bible did
command that you and I pray for each other, but

(27:14):
it did not command and never endorses the practice of
praying to the saints. And in the book The Beliefs
of the Catholic Church, I go into it deeply. But
the only thing that they can appeal to to try
and prove that doctrine is to go to the apocrypha.

(27:35):
And in the Apocrypha, there was something that did sound
initially like it upheld that point of view, but it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
He's bedd. Do you realize that you have a cat
based your avatar is a cat based Did you hear us?

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I don't think she hears. I wonder that.

Speaker 6 (28:03):
It's okay. We're still figuring out technology here. And I
apologize also, Pastor for the boxes behind us. We're doing
relief effort here at the downtown studio and we're sending
out supplies to Burnsville and this is that didn't even
have time to change the shirt. We've been running around,
but this is such. Our vision is to bring the
word good doctrine to these smoky mountains, because what I've

(28:25):
seen is a lot of laziness when it comes to
you got your local Baptist church center saved by grace
and don't seem to get nowhere doing that all day.
And then you got eight million Catholic churches and they're great,
they're doing a great job with the community and relief.
But where's the power, where's the.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
Well say the supertural every day it's naturally superaturl like.

Speaker 6 (28:50):
We want that, we want just like it God's miracles
coming in. And I'd like to ask you some questions
too about what you've seen in your years of ministry.
And you're doing something right, because every time I crossed
the border to Tennessee, I'm like, I can breathe here,
and there's this Jesus people everywhere for slashing demons left
and right up here in these mountains. So I really

(29:13):
am so thankful for you, sir. And I just want
to say I've met Jesuits that they were mixing Buddhism
with Christianity. They were doing all kinds of weird stuff
in Tokyo when I was there with them and wasn't
a member. But I went to a university, Jesuit University,
and that's when I heard the pope was Jesuit. It
was like, are you serious? First of all, that's illegal.

(29:34):
Second of all, that's every Catholic should know. This is wrong,
and you know this is just bad news, and and
but yeah, but now it's just bringing the pure doctrine,
the pure word of God, and that Yeah, I would
love to Sorry that was a lot, but I'm just
glad to brought.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Up a great subject. You brought up an important thing,
and that's the whole concept of the papacy and whether
this pope can legitimate and laid trace his position back
to Peter, and of course the conversation that's always quoted
is Jesus's conversation with Peter where he said, Simon, Simon,

(30:15):
he said you are who do men say that I am?
And he said, some say you're John the Baptist or
a prophet risen from the But he said, who do
you say that I am? He said, you are the Messiah,
You're the Christ, You're the son of the Living God.
And Jesus responded, blessed are you? Simon Barjona for flesh
and blood hasn't revealed this to you, but my Father,

(30:37):
which is in heaven. And then he said, you are Peter,
and upon this frog. He didn't say upon you, and
he used two different words, or at least in the
Greek is petros and petra. But he said you are Peter,
you are Petros, and upon this petra I will build
my church, and the gates available prevail it again instant

(31:01):
I believe personally the rock that the church is built
on is the rock of divine revelation, because if you
inspect that conversation closely, he's said, flesh and blood is
not revealed to you who I am. Flesh and blood
has not revealed this to you, but my father, wish

(31:21):
is in heaven. And on this rock I will build
my church, the rock of divine revelation, because if you've
had a personal encounter with Jesus, you cannot be shaken
from it. If it's just religious doctrine to you, you
can easily be shaken from it. But if you know
the Lord, if you know the Lord, nothing can remove

(31:43):
that from you. And unless you choose to back up
and live a rebellious life, still you'll know even in
your rebellion that Jesus is the answer. And besides, what
I tell my Catholic friends when I talk with him,
is even Jesus did mean Peter when he said upon
this Petra, I will build my church. Even if he

(32:06):
did mean Peter, he never said that there would be
a group of cardinals that would vote a new pope
in every year. He never said that there would be
a legacy passed out of someone inheriting the seat of Peter.
All of is non biblical, and all of that is
simply tradition, which Catholics don't have a problem with because

(32:31):
they believe in the three pillars of Catholicism, or it's
also called the three legs of Catholicism, is symbolized by
a stool with three legs, and those three legs are
of equal length equal height. Rather in the seat of
the stool sits on top of it. And the representation

(32:51):
is Catholicism is based on three things, and one is
sacred scripture. We can agree on that absolutely. The second
is sacred tradition, and the third is the magisterium. And
the magisterium is the word for the pope and all
the presiding bishops worldwide, and if they come together in

(33:12):
an ecumenical council and make decisions concerning doctrine and lifestyle, characters, morals,
doctrines and morals, then is considered to be an irreversible truth.
It's unquestionable truth. And so in the mind of a Cathleic,
if it's not in sacred scripture, but if it is

(33:34):
in sacred tradition and the Magisterium uphols it, it's all right.
So things do not have to agree with the Bible
necessarily in Catholicism. And so that's a weak argument to
them unless I follow it up with what I'll share
in just a few moments after I throw it back
to you guys. But it sounds like a weak argument

(33:57):
to them to say it's not in the Bible, or
this is in the Bible, because they believe that those
are of equal authority sacred tradition and the Magisterian.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
That's and the Jews, with the oral law being as
sacred as the tour as the written.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Jesus rebuked them over clinging to their tradition. Yes, and
I love Jewish people. I used to preach in Jerusalem
every year for the Beast of tabernacles during the nineties,
and I meant a lot of wonderful Jewish people. But
the Orthodox people have some wild laws. If you drive
a car through an Orthodox community, they'll stone the car

(34:42):
because it's work. On the Sabbath day on they'll throw
rocks at the car.

Speaker 8 (34:48):
But my conting isn't it work to pick up the
rock and throw it at the car. They all say
the hotels will stop at every floor.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
They're pre programs to stop at every floor because punching
a button on the elevator is work. God never said that.
But they've expanded the word to embrace a tradition that
they're very passionate about upholding, and God never instructed them
that way. And the same thing happens in Catholicism and

(35:20):
other religions as well.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
Nothing like just coming back to the pure word, just
the pure word of God. And God has no grandchildren.
It's one of my favorite quotes to hear is it's
there's no room for that. I like the concept of
passing on the lineage and the anointing of Abraham or
the anointing seeing Samuel pass it to David and then

(35:45):
Jesus Christ, son of David, and passing on. There's that
honor and that. So I'm not against big giant churches.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Oh, don't worry.

Speaker 6 (35:52):
I mean, we're working with these guys. Jerry Sevelle Ministries
just called us. We're really we're trying to help win
souls and bring good doctrine. Though to these communities that
they're starving, they need this. They need to come visit
your church. We're going to be sending people to Cleveland
pretty soon, Pastor, You've better watch out. But yes, you're
going to get into So there are these that is

(36:14):
such an interesting So they actually believe that you don't
really need the Bible in a sense like that's actually
written into the core of Catholicism. Is that what you're saying, Pastor, No.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
They believe in sacred scripture, but their Bible is seventy
three books while ours is sixty six. However, the seven
books that are included in the Katholic Bible are in
the Old Testament of the same New Testament books the
same twenty seven books in the New Testament. And so
they believe in sacred scripture, but they also believe of

(36:48):
equal authority are sacred tradition in the Magisterium so that
if something is not definitely prescribed in the Scripture, so
all right, if it's upheld by tradition and by the magisterium.
And also their contention is that the Bible was actually

(37:09):
created by Catholics, and it was the latter part of
the fourth century. They were the ones that put together
the Canon of Scripture. And they said, up until that point,
the Church survived and thrived on oral tradition. And so
if oral tradition preserved the Church for several centuries plus,

(37:33):
then oral tradition is still important. And so oral tradition
has resulted in things like the Rosary. The rosary didn't
come about until twelve a d. But it's been preserved
by oral tradition ever since, or by church tradition and
the magisterium. But what my point is, usually in a

(37:58):
conversation with Catholic so I'll say, yes, that's true that
oral traditions maintain the correct doctrinal belief system for Christianity
for several centuries. But I don't believe that legitimizes the
idea of continuing with oral traditions because they may not

(38:21):
have had the Bible, but they had the Gospels, and
they had the epistles circulated among the churches, and so
they were establishing church doctrine through the same books that
we use. They just weren't all compiled together into one book.
And if something veers away from that, now, I believe

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that's heretical.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
Aster Mic I had a thought. I remember listening to
your conversation with the gentleman from Charisma magazine, and you
and him talked about the baptism, and I thought that
was interesting. It's close to hope, because I have a
few good friends that say that they were, even though

(39:05):
they don't necessarily believe in all the Catholic tenants. But
because one of my good friends she said that she
was always happy and proud that she was baptized as
a baby because her mother in her younger years experimented
with Catholicism and then became a Christian and that was
is back to being Catholic again. So anyways, my best friend,

(39:25):
she always felt a close relationship with God, she said,
because she was baptized as a baby, and she knows
that is not what saves a person, but it was
can a person be maybe they were baptized as a
baby and that and believe that's not what saves them,
but maybe there was, there's a blessing upon that the christening,

(39:49):
the baby baptism, but not believe that saves them. So
let's say, for example, like we all know that as
four here Noah believed that that baptism is like a
way degree. The wedding ring is out with big she married,
but it's it's an outward symbol of an edward faith.
So we know that the water baptism needs to occur
after belief, after South Asian. But then like some of

(40:12):
the people that have noural Catholic beliefs, they believe that
even though that's not what they don't believe that the
it's a baptism is what saved them, but they believe
that there's a there was a blessing above them when
they were little. What do you think about that.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Lessen, they're not really embracing Catholic doctor in it because
according to Catholic doctor, and that's when regeneration takes place.
And I believe it's all based on a misinterpretation of
jesus conversation with Nicodemus, because he told Nicodemus, except a
man be born of water and of the spirit he

(40:47):
cannot enter the Kingdom of God. And they believe means
being baptized, being born of the water, and then when
you're born of the water, when you're baptized automatically born
of the spirit, you're born again. That's not true. There's
been millions of people that got water baptized that were
not born again, and they went through the motions, but

(41:10):
they didn't have the true encounter with the Lord Jesus
that transforms a person. But it's a misunderstanding of that
statement because Jesus qualified that statement in the very next verse.
He said, let me back up and say it again.
He said, except a man be born of water and
of the spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

(41:31):
Then he said, that which is born in flesh is flesh,
and that which is born of spirit is spirit. So
he's talking about the two births, natural birth being born
of the flesh and spiritual birth being born of the spirit.
And he called it being born of the water. We
call it the breaking of the water when the amniotic
sack breaks and the amniotic fluid pours out during childbirth.

(41:56):
That's being born of the water in that vernacular. Back
and Jesus that was the idiom that was used. We
call it the breaking of the water now, but that
was Jesus' way of saying that you've got to be
born into this world as a natural human being. That's
one step on the journey. You can't avoid it. You've
got to be born of the water, born as a human,

(42:19):
born in the flesh. And then you've got to be
born again. And the word translated again is anathin, which
means from above. In fact, it's translated from above several
times in the New Testament. We've got to be born
from above where the spirit of God comes into you.
Because they teach when that child is sprinkled, as I
mentioned a while ago, the spirit of God enters that child.

(42:41):
That's not true. And what happens is you have unregenerated
babies that grow up to be unregenerated adults, right that
don't know that it hasn't happened yet. And if you
ask not, you haven't. That's scripture, you have not because
you haven't, and so they don't know that they are

(43:02):
living beneath the opportunity to really be filled with the
spirit of God. And that's tragic, that's said, and that's
why I say the pope cannot be the vicary of
Christ because he cannot be the representative of Christ and
the world and not tell people how to be born again,
because anyone who's going to represent Jesus is going to

(43:24):
legitimately express to the true gospel pathway back for a
relationship with God.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Absolutely, pastor by I'm sorry, just what word covic so
I had researched that the Eucharist, they believe that what
we consider as the communian bread or cracker or whatever
as a symbol of Christ's body, and of course the
grape juice or wine as the symbol of christ blood.

(43:53):
That they literally believe that the bread and the wine
is the literal body and blood of Jesus Christ that
saves them again. Another action that's outward that they make
as a requirement that causes them to be saved. So
as an outward see, but they don't have that inward

(44:15):
regeneration like you were saying, So what do you think
about that? It was like the if of baptism and
the Eucharist. They seem to go together like an outward
saying that they see makes them saved.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
They teach people and I'm not trying to be sarcastic
as saying this because it hurts my heart to say.
But they teach people how to have Jesus in their stomach,
but not in their heart, because I do believe in transubstantiation,
that bread and that wine literally become the bodyblood, soul,
and divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ. However, I've got

(44:51):
a list on my website to Ethics Withlove dot org.
I've got an article called the evolution of Catholicism and
our list the dates and certain doctrines were ratified by
the church and made dogma. And so it wasn't until
let me see, it wasn't until twelve fifteen that the

(45:14):
word transubstantiation was used describing communion. But also it was
earlier than that that they finally decided that, oh yeah,
in three twenty five adail. This is three centuries after
almost three centuries after the Lord leaves the world, they
made a decision that only bishops and priests can communion,

(45:38):
which is not biblical because Paul said, as often as
you eat it, as often as you eat it, and
he said it to everyone in the church. If you're
having a meal with your friends and you're eating bread
and have a glass of grape juice there then celebrate
communion together. Remember the Lord's till he comes. And that's

(45:59):
one of the things that makes it necessary to be
a Catholic, to really know God and be right with God,
because you have to have a priest at your baptism,
you have to have a priest at your communion because
only a priest can administer communion. You have to have
a bishop to administer confirmation. You have to have a

(46:22):
priest to get your sins forgiven through the sacrament of confession.
And then finally, a priest officiates extra function, which is
the final rights, the last rites when a person is
on the vergin. So from birth to death, you have
to have this mediator, this priestly mediator and to be sayer.

(46:45):
The Catholic Catechism does teach to priesthoit. They teach that
there is a common priesthood and a ministerial priesthood, and
that all believers are part of the common priesthood. But
that's not the regular mindset of most Catholics. And I
tell him a lot of times they'll uphold the whole
idea of confession, which instantly did not happen until about

(47:10):
in the six hundreds till the seventh century, there was
no such thing as confessing your sins to a priest.
Usually confession took place at the end of a person's
life in a public square, and it only happened one time,
and if it would if it was reserved to that time.
A lot of times that was because of the shame involved.

(47:32):
There was no such thing as going to a confessional
and receiving absolution from a priest. And sometimes that they
uphold practice by quoting that scripture out of James and
I talked about a while ago where James and let
me back up and give the whole passage. He said,
if there being sick among you, let them call for
the elders of the church and pray over him, anointing

(47:54):
him with oil and the prayer face. You'll save the
sick and the Lord shall raise him up. And then
the next verse says, confess your sins or your false
confessor sins one to another, and pray for one another
that you may be healed. So they put the two
verses together and they say the elders are the ones

(48:18):
that come and pray healing for the sin. Are the
ones to confess to. But that's not what it said.
It said confess your false one to another. So I've
told people, next time you go to confession, after you
tell the priest your sins and absolution from him, then
ask the priest to tell you his sins, because it
said confession sends to one another, so it should work

(48:41):
that way. I don't think they can get a very
good response.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Well leave, okay, thanks fester Bake.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
I have a question about purgatory. What is that? Where
did they get that idea? How does it work in
their doctrine?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
That's a very in depth subject. Officially, I have an
article on the website to Catholics Withlove dot org that
I just post in the last few months on purgatory
and the go to scripture. I'll say this much. The
go to scripture that they use to uphold purgatory is

(49:26):
out of Paul's writings to the Corinthians, and I'm just
going to read it here. And they also appealed to
a book out of the Apocrypha, the one of the
Book of Mccabees, the Second Maccabees, Chapter twelve. They use
that as some kind of proof of purgatory. But it's

(49:47):
easy to unravel that argument, but this is the scripture
they appeal to in the New Testament, First Corinthians, chapter three,
verses eleven through fifteen. For no other foundation can anyone
lay than which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now,
if anyone builds on this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood,
hair straw, each one's work will become clear. For the

(50:13):
day capital letter D. The day will declare it, because
it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will
try everyone's work of what sort it is. And if
anyone's work, which he has built on it endures, he
will receive a reward. And if anyone's work is burned,
he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved.

(50:33):
Yet so as through fire, A very quick surface reading
of that sounds WHOA. Maybe that's plausible. Maybe there is
such a thing as purgatory. But this is not talking
about This is talking about some lengthy period of purging
and cleansing in some place of fiery torment. It doesn't

(50:55):
say that. It says, first of all, this is not
to your everyday kind of person that's non religious. This
is to people who have laid Jesus as the foundation
of their lives. So it's to committed Christians that this
is being said. No other foundation can anyone lay than
that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. And if

(51:16):
anyone builds on this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones would
hare stuble or straw. Each one's work will become clear
for the capital day. The day will declare it. What
is the day when the fire will try every man's

(51:37):
work of what sort it is? I'm of the strong
opinion that's the day of the Lord's return, because the
Bible said will come with flaming fire. And when he
comes with flaming fire, it will illuminate all the details
of our lives. It will prove what we've done to

(51:58):
be either fruitless, would hay and stubble. And there's plenty
of religious works that have been done in the name
of Christianity that were of God, by God, or through God,
or for the glory of God. It was just man's
works based on tradition that will be burned up. And
yet some of the people that will lose that period

(52:19):
of their life that they devoted to something that was
not of the Lord are genuine born again believers. So
those works will be burned, but they'll be saved and
they'll receive no reward. But it's not talking about being tortured.
In fact, one pope said, in purgatory it's an incredible

(52:41):
pain like you could never suffer on the earth. Pope
Gregory said that, And I cannot imagine. I cannot imagine
God's sending his sons and daughters to a temporary hell
to get them prepared for heaven. No way, Jesus would
have to refrain. He's everything he taught in the New Testament.

(53:02):
He would have to say, he that believes on me
shall be saved, but only after a temporary time of
purging in purgatory. He would have to alter a lot
of his doctrine if that doctrine was true.

Speaker 6 (53:16):
Pastor, you are gushing with revelation insights. Really I hear
your heart for souls, your testimony. I have to go.
I'm late for Omega Man podcast. Now I'm introducing another thing,
and I just I'm so honored to meet you. I
just want to let everybody know to find you have
hundreds of teachings about discovery your spiritual identity, as well

(53:38):
as all the books, and I just want to make
sure people can find that and it's on Charisma podcast Network.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Two podcasts. I have two podcasts actually, Michael, and if
you don't mind me mentioned in real quick please called
Discover Your Spiritual Identity, and every podcast I focus on
one of our God given names like Heirs of the Kingdom,
a royal priesthood, the Temple of God, the broad of Christ,
and the And that's ever Friday, and then every Tuesday,

(54:05):
I have a podcast called Revealing the True Light, and
that's the podcast where I dalve into things like purgatory
teachings that I believe are false teachings in the church
or compared to religion, comparing Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, and
so forth.

Speaker 6 (54:23):
I have so many questions. I'm going to get more
familiar with your work, sir, because I spent twenty years
in Asia and this is so important, it's the key
to so much. So I'll let you all continue and enjoy.
And I apologize that.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
I your worries.

Speaker 6 (54:36):
Schedule it very well today, but this was so good,
and appreciate you so much and have a wonderful rest
of the time. I'll listen later.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
I'm sure I'm going to reconnect with you guys.

Speaker 6 (54:44):
Oh yes, yes, I'll be definitely wanting to get you
on for my own personal show. So thank you so much.
Bless you, Jolyn and Dot has come.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Good night.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Okay, bless you.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
We'll probably have to wrap up here the next few
minutes as well. Do you have any for the questions?

Speaker 5 (55:02):
No, that just the whole. It's just sad because I
see a lot of people turning to Catholicism because I
think in culture and secular society, the un churched, they
just think automatically they got the Catholic that church because

(55:25):
it's shiny, they go there and they end up there.
But because they're in church and once they're not encouraged
to read their Bible, they're getting a false message and
it makes me sad. However, like I said earlier, I

(55:45):
see these people who are becoming Christian through the Catholic Church,
like Russell Brand, and the things he's speaking in what
I'm seeing is in a scripture. However, Russell Brand is
a reader, so he's one of those that, Okay, I'm

(56:09):
doing this thing. I want to read everything I can,
and he reads his Bible and he spends time praying
so for him it may be different, but other people,
I don't know, lazy Christianity. It just makes me sad.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
I wish I could get my book, The Beliefs to
the Catholic Church in Russell Brand's hands. Yeah, he is
a daring enough person to speak what he believes is right.

Speaker 5 (56:37):
Yes, and he does, he absolutely does. I saw him.
He was doing an interview with Tucker Carlson and it
was a live interview with a huge audience, and he
actually stopped everything to pray, and he got on his
knees in front of all of those people and pray

(56:59):
and it was beautiful. I cried, it was up. I
just wish we could all be like that. So I yeah,
I want to read your book because I too, I
don't understand a lot about how Catholicism works. But then
there's what I see of a few Catholics that actually walk,

(57:24):
that appear to be walking in mind the scripture. So
I'm just trying to figure out how that works. And
it makes me sad because it makes me sad every
time I stand in the middle of a sidewalk and
all the people look around and do they.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Know good and No, We've got a big job to do,
don't we We.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
Do do, absolutely do.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
And I'm a horrible evangelist. I'm a horrible evangelist.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Oh, I think you're a great thoughted. At least you
step forward and now you have a podcast, and there's
a lot of people who want to do that but
they haven't gotten around to it. So you definitely took
that the first, second, and third step and here you
are on journal. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:08):
I still don't know at least spiritual gift is it's been.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
I think it's probably teaching. I'd always envisioned her teaching
new agers because she was a former new ager and
she was into witchcraft, and I think that she could
talk to some of these young people that are into that. Pastor, Mike,
there's a thought that occurred to me, and this is
the supernatural realm. I know that there have been different

(58:31):
Mary apparitions that have been seen around the world for
hundreds of years, and so what do you think about those?
Do you think that they're legitimately merry a period to people,
or do you think it's perhaps demonic, especially those statues
that weep blood of Mary and things of that nature.
Do you think it's demonic or do you think it's
actually Mary.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
No, I don't believe it's Mary. Certainly don't believe it.
I believe in some cases it could very well be money.
But I haven't done research into those apparitions enough to
really speak effectively on them. And I do know I'll
say this much. Just because something is supernatural doesn't mean

(59:14):
it's true. Because Mohammed's because Mohammed had a visitation from
the angel Gabriel, and.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
Yet he developed Angel Gabriel.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Yeah, that was not Gabriel, because Gabriel would not have
funneled into him a revelation of a worldview that denies
the sonship of the Lord Jesus. So just because people
claim to have a vision of a supernatural being, it
doesn't mean it's legitimate.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
And as a new ager, I can attest to that,
is it definitely true? Just because it's supernatural doesn't mean
it good.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
Yes, I totally agree that from God. Yeah, And we're
supposed to test the spirits whether they are from God.
And a lot of times people they say, oh, I
saw Mary and in a vision, and she came to me,
and this that and the other, and so I believe
that it's demonic And the reason why it's demonic is
because that demon is disguising itself as Mary, most likely

(01:00:18):
to affirm their false belief.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
System, which is not.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
Exactly. I know that a lot of Catholics claim that
they worship God and they worship Jesus, but they believe
that in order to get to the Son, you have
to go through the Mother. So it's like all these
steps to get to God. First you had to go
through the priests, and then to marry, and then finally
to Jesus. But the Bible as we know says there's
only one mediator between God and man, Christ Jesus. And

(01:00:47):
so that the demon, I believe, is wearing that disguise
and using false sides and wonders to deceive people to
seemingly affirm their false belief that they should pray and
worship Mary. That's what I think.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
I believe you're right. You're absolutely right, because the Rosary
was birthed out of a supposed vision of Mary, where
the in twelve eight one who is revered as a
saint now his name's Dominick, Saint Dominic and the Catholic Church,
he claimed to have this vision of Mary and angels

(01:01:26):
in instructing him to create the Rosary, and he was
about to face an army that outnumbered his army, and
they spent the night praying the rosaries. A lengthy story,
I go into it in the book. But they spent
the night praying the Rosary while the other army spent

(01:01:46):
the night in drunken revelry. And they launched a surprise
attack in the morning, and overcame that army. So they
attributed to the Rosary. And of course in the Rose
you've got a dominance of prayers to marry. You've got
fifty three beads where you say the Hail Mary, and

(01:02:07):
then you've got I don't remember the exact number, maybe
twelve beads where you say to our Father and glory
be to God, and you say the apostles creed, and
you say these prayers over and over and over and
over again. Jesus in the Sermon on the chapter six

(01:02:28):
of Matthew, I believe it's verse seven, verse six or seven,
he said, use not vain repetitions like the heathen dude.
They believe they'll be heard fore their much speaking. That's
vain repetition. That's repeating in montral like fashion. The same
thing over and over again. That does not coerce God

(01:02:50):
or coerce God through Mary to accomplish anything that's not prayer.
That's a cultic ritual.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
Yes it is. It is so for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
I should say cult not o cultic, but cultic ritual
because it's not in the Bible. There's no part of
the scripture. There's no passage in the Bible that tells
us to pray to marry on the rosary. And it
was not a practice until twelve o eight a d.

(01:03:24):
Which is over a millennium after the birth of Christianity
in the world. If it wasn't needed the first thousand,
two hundred dollars, it's not needed now.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Right absolutely, I agree? Custom right, Okay, awesome, faster might
we are honored or blessed and for less to have
you on board or yeah. Crossfiles podcast collaboration with the
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(01:03:57):
the show notes to Catholics with Love dot org and
then go ahead and tell us your website where people
can check out your books, look at also.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
I have my outreach. I also have my outreach to
people of other belief systems like Hinduism and Buddhism and
New Age and yoga advocates. And that's the True Light
dot Net t H E t R U E l
I g H t D True Light dot Net. And
then my main ministry website is Shreve's s h R

(01:04:31):
E v E. Shreve Ministries dot org. And they can
purchase my books there or on Amazon either one and
get in touch with us. And I'm very glad to
help anyone that can.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
Yes and paster my Can people get a hold of
you through Facebook if they type in my trees or
would you rather have them get ahold of you through
the website?

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
No, they can go at Actually my Facebook handle is
m R Shreed because my mental name is Richard, so
it's m R Shred and and they can come there
or Shred Ministries. Shred Ministries is also on Facebook and
they can follow us.

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
And he's he's on YouTube as well, be Yes YouTube channels.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Estes Mike Minister is on YouTube. And if they come
to the True Light dot Net, they can download this
book in twelve languages, including Hindi and including Spanish and
let's see what else, French and two Chinese languages, Japanese,

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quite a few languages. I had a Japanese Yoga can
find the Lord through this booklet.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
Wow, it's amazing. Is Japanese, Spanish, Portuguese, Germid Supervised, Chinese, Hind, Polish, Emil, French.
And I know that fact, Ike, you were looking for
a Tie Christian translator who can translate from English to Tie.
And I know that sometimes Google isn't a grade to

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translating service or whatever. You could use the app, but
a lot of times, you know, right, it doesn't get
it right exactly. So if anybody knows a Tie Christian
that's a Tennessee that can work with pastor Mike, please
reach out. We would love to see that, and I
think that I would. I definitely want to order this

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book here that The Counter of God. And then at
the other one too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Well, actually it's been translated into Tie, but I don't
think it was a really good translation. So I've been
waiting for someone who can review the Tiede translation and
make sure it's polished to perfection and then we'll post it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
Oh wonderful, great, I'd like to order these books fafter
mic and it would be even better if it was
also audio, so if you need an audio reader, I
could read it for you. If I have some title
the WEEKDS or whatever the way people can listen to
it on audible or whatever. Maybe we'll have to work
on that or whatever. We'll pray about it. So thank
you so much, customer Mike for your time. It was

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a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Dder.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
It was great to talk about Catholicism and Christianity and
your testimonial and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
It's been a pleasure to be with you. Thank you
very much for the invitation.

Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
Thank you. I really appreciate you, and I am going
to actually be watching the more of your videos this evening, so.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Me too.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
Thank you everybody, thanks so much for listening or watching
the Crossballs podcast. I'm your hust Jerry, and I'm done.
We have the pleasure of interviewing Pastor Mike Shree. Take
care and may the Cross be with you and have
a supernatural day, everybody. Good Supernatural days by.

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