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September 19, 2025 46 mins
We dive deep into the incredible true story of a mind control survivor who broke free from darkness and found healing through faith. Discover the hidden world of trauma, spiritual warfare, and the power of hope as we expose secrets they don’t want you to know. Tune in for an inspiring journey from victim to victor—this is an episode you won’t want to miss! #Podcast #TheCrossFiles #MindControl #SurvivorStory #Faith #Healing #SpiritualWarfare #Unsilenced #TraumaRecovery #faith #mkultra 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Because I was just a curious cat and I've always
had so I was looking into New World Order stuff.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Even in my.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Mid twenties, and so it was like intriguing to me.
So David Ike, who's pretty famous in the New World
of Realm, Yeah, he still is out of England.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
He had come to he was coming.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
To Vancouver with the couple and he was an ex
CIA guy and she was a former MK Ultra sex
lave And so.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I went to see them speak, want to hear them,
and then they ended.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Up inviting me in Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I had a little I had some communication.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
With them and I actually ended up going to Las
Vegas where they were, unbeknownst to me, grooming me for a.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Future encounter, which was very dark.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
And that's where I learned that mind control and like
hypnotically programming people, like for instance, the government has been
known to do things like that and use like for
assassin purposes and things like this.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
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(01:39):
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Speaker 4 (02:03):
Welcome to the Cross Files Podcast. I'm your host, Jerry.
I'm sorry that my other co host, Michael isn't here,
but he's he unfortunately had a death in the family,
so he'll be here in the spirit, but he'll be
that because he will be able to interview our lovely
and awesome and brilliant guest tonight, Natalie Chiltern. She is
an author. Her book is called Unsilenced, and she is

(02:26):
a speaker and she ministers to people. I know she's
got a lot of other things underneath her belt, including
a black belt at bat and she also is a
massage therapist and neurolinguistic programmer. I'm sorry, is that the
right word. She does a neuro linguistic healing to people,
and so she's been through a lot and I'm just

(02:47):
so glad that the Lord has really healed her heart
and now she's able to impart healing to other people. Welcome, Natalie,
thank you so much for your time tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Thank you Darylyn for your fun creative Yes, invite your
invitation and your entry.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I guess to how you describe me.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
I love the near linguistic healing, the programming because we
all think in patterns, and the way I use it,
some people use it for her, but the way I
use it is.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
That God's divine design.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
And you can just speak life and speak divine patterning,
divine blueprint and wholeness led by the Holy Spirit in
those stories. And it's all about the narrative that we
run in our mind and in our heart. Rate.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yes, absolutely, for sure. I have so many questions, so
many things that I'm unfamiliar with it, so many things
I am familiar with. So I like fifty to fifty is. Oh,
It'll be a great interview because I'll be learning something
and the listener will be learning something as well. So, Natalie,
did you I note that your book is pretty extensive,
and I know you don't want to give away parts

(03:54):
of your book or anything like that, but it would
be great to have you summarize your story in the
way you feel comfortable with.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Of course, sure, I was just seeking the leading of
the Holy Spirit in this. And one I heard is
that there's one hundred different angles I could tell this,
but it's that it's the same old story.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
We fight not.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Against principalities, against people, but principalities and high places who
work through the ones that are closest to us. And
the game plan is always steal the identity, steal the
divine identity, crush it so that God's divine plan cannot

(04:38):
come to pass. So that was the plan from the
start with me, and I had family member who was
doing this bidding up speaking basically false identity over me
and culture and basically exposure to pornography, exposure to adult

(05:00):
stories of sexuality when I was way too young. Instead
of reading the Bible, I was reading about sex when
I was little. So that began to feed that little
beast right literally and awaken, among other things, awaken things
that shouldn't have been awakened at that point.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
So you asked me, you asked, So that was the beginning.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
So false identity setting those tracks down in our mind
to get us to get me to think of myself
as worthless to be compared to others literally, and so
you're like, okay, you're wanting me to be like this.
So then of course a child thinks and assumes, then

(05:49):
I'm not okay. And then from that position, when the
Lord gets a hold of us, we that right righteousness,
like we are set right and we can do all
things when God strengthens us.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
But from the.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Position of being torn down by humans, when we don't
have like my book is called the Lord gave me
the name of the Last the last month, So unsilent,
use your words, use your voice, words hold power.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
So I didn't know how to use my words to fight,
and I was silenced because I sided with my father,
who was the strong, silent type. And I'm like, I
don't want to be that that mouthpiece that's never being quiet.

(06:52):
I'm going to be like my dad. I'm going to
be silent.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
That's not good either.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Right, there's a time for her for is to be bridled,
and there's a time to activate it with the right intention,
with the right spirit, and to tell those voices that
are trying to tell us who we are to shut up.
But we don't know how to do that until God

(07:23):
so that treads us with his love, until he can
get a hold of us and by his spirit and
by his words eventually, because sometimes it takes a long
time to get the word of God into us. I
didn't have those words like the word of God, right,

(07:46):
I did. I grew up with some Bible with Grandma
and Grandpa, but I just didn't have it. I didn't
have it in my heart, written on my heart. And
that's how it has to be for us to finally
break free. Yeah. That take every thought captive, and that
includes the words coming out of our mouth. So rather

(08:07):
than cursing ourself with our mouth and cursing others with
our mouth, which attracts demonic more strongholds.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yes, I agree for sure. Do you think that maybe
the verbal abuse that you grew up with it really
shaped your trajectory in your early years of life?

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Definitely, just having those words said and there was just
a real spirit of negativity, a spirit of it was
just really a lens of I know now that it
wasn't me, but I was the one who was most

(08:55):
like this person. So they it was like they were
everything and putting all their darkness upon me as a
little kid, and so nothing I could do, there was nothing.
That's how I felt that nothing I could do was right,
and so that just really defeated my spirit. And I

(09:19):
was such a talented child with music and dancing and
singing and all the creativity. Yeah, like athlete, but that
wasn't spoken over me. What was spoken over me was
darkness and that you are this and people can read

(09:40):
about it if they want to find out what that is,
but it's false identity basically, So false identity was spoken
over me.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
And eventually I got so mad.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
I got so angry, like that scripture in the Bible
that says do not anger your children, do not make
your children have wraths or mistreat them to the point
of wrath, and that's what I got to. I was
like so angry that I was like, if that's what
you think I am, that's what I will be, and

(10:10):
that is a vow.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
And that just brought hell.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Like fury step by step into the reality that I spoke,
if that's what you say, I am, that's what I
will be, and out of spite and anger, which only
ended up hurting me.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
But exactly you were talking about the exposure to smuddy
magazines or books photographic or romantic type of books that
were obviously are rated or.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
X rated or whatever.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
I even though you were in Vancouver, BC, I was
in California. I was unfortunately exposed to that when I
was a little kid at age eight and my relative
had a whole huge box of corn, and so I
was exposed to that, and that cause me to be
unfortunately promiscuous at a young a younger age into fourteen

(11:05):
and what have you. And that's the eighties, because we're
about I think three years apart, seventy seventy three, and
back then instead of looking on the phone, and people
are having automatic exposure to it on the phone, they
had to go buy the magazine or things of that nature.
But nonetheless it was still prevalent even then. So I
can see that there's many things. I think a lot

(11:25):
of parents don't realize the impact of their words upon
their children and how that could cause a person to
have a low self esteem, and they try to seek
validation and buy opposite sex or drug sex, rocketball or
or exactly sex to kill that void in your any

(11:46):
way possible, yes, and totally anyway.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
If there's no love, you're going to you're going to
try to get that love any way you can.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
And that's exactly what I did and what so many
people do. And it is an empty well. It never
can fill. It only breaks you down more absolutely. And
I know that you were you really liked your gift
and talented with music and singing and dancing and things
of that nature. Tell us a little bit about that

(12:18):
and how that kind of was your way of self
expression to give you happiness in the midst of the
darkness you were experiencing. That's what like, that's what's been
so great about reflecting. As they say, in an unexamined
life isn't worth living. And most people never take the
time to truly reflect. And so writing the book and

(12:38):
recalling just the gift of having a principle from New
York come to our little tiny town and he brought music,
and that like music is just I love it. I
can play by ear, so I was a little bit
lazy because I could just fly by air. I could

(12:59):
hear it did and play the right thing. I never
learned to read music, although I could have, but and
then just being able to excel, being able to sing
the notes, being able to with ease so God gave
me that joy and then dancing and movement, and he

(13:20):
would just speak to me. Actually, through many years I've
been a songwriter and just singing to my audience of
one and being a professional musician was definitely like one
of my dreams that may still come to pass. But
He gives us sanctuary. He and he strengthened my spirit

(13:45):
with those beautiful teachers and so the important of teachers,
and I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful for the gift
of music and how healing it is.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yes, yes, a.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Mad I can't have a question about your book. I
have a violence three quarters of the way in your book,
and it's really amazing what you've gone through. And I
was just thinking of the Scripture with enemy intents for evil,
God intents for good and whatever denveral trajectory we were at.
But God's stepped in and he lift us, lifted us
up out of the myrie clay, and He's God for that.

(14:17):
And I did have a question, if you feel comfortable
answering this, Nellie. So I was listening to your book
and by the way, it's it's readable, but with the
PDA person, I was able to listen to it. I
know that you went on a trip to Las Vegas,
and if you feel comfortable talking about this, great, If not,
no worries. And I know you met up with a

(14:38):
couple that seemed to use NLP in a negative fashion
to control people. And perhaps they were the Safarian I
don't know, but I think you had named them as
Emma Decay and so they were doing some pretty disturbing stuff.
So on a trip to Vegas, were you going there
to meet them or you or did you happen did

(15:01):
they happen to strategically bump into you in Vegas. I'm
just curious about that. I'm sorry if I didn't catch
how that happened, how that connection happened.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
No, no problem, no problem.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Really want to talk about this because I was just
a curious cat and I've always had so I was
looking into New World Order stuff even in my mid twenties,
and so it was like intriguing to me. So David Ike,
who's pretty famous in the New World realm, Yeah, he

(15:33):
still is out of England. He had come to he
was coming to Vancouver with the couple and he was
an ex CIA guy and she was a former MK
Ultra sex late, and so I went to see them speak,
went to hear them, and then they ended up.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Inviting me in Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
I had a little I had some communication with them,
and I actually ended up.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Going to Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Where they were unbanknownest to me grooming me for a
future encounter, which was very dark. And that's where I
learned that mind control and like hypnotically programming people, like,
for instance, the government has been known to do things
like that and use like for assassin purposes and things

(16:26):
like this. There's a lot of different realms. For instance,
sex traffic. People can be used to get video and
then bribe, say somebody a politician, or just different things
like that.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
So this guy was a.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Former CIA programmer and I was spending some time with them.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
And I was very naive and I was.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Very hungry for love and connection and they were like
in my mind, I just felt like they're like parents
in a weird way, wow, in this weird dark like
at that time, it's just like it's so cool, like
this whole mystique. I was very attracted to the mystique
and the danger and.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
I got it, and I got it.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
I had that experience after into huh, there was more
to that, so that I described that you haven't gotten
into you in the book, so I have a gun there.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Just read probably maybe fifty percent of the story there,
and I was wondering about that because I'm so sorry
you did say that you connected with them through David Ike.
I'm sorry for some reason when you're doing something like
cooking or whatever you're listening to book because I'm found
good with those tiste over your head. And Okay, so
that is interesting that this m n kay couple that

(17:48):
they presented as some people that is not doing the
dark side anymore. But they it sounded like he wrote
a book Transformation, and that he had deprogrammed her, and
it sounded like they were on the up and up,
that they were doing something beneficial with their former experience.

(18:09):
But it's darkly bizarre that they are still doing that
and making sounds like they're continuing to control people and
making them sex slaves and what have you. And to
sounded like they were doing that that beta sex kitten
type of programming through the trauma based my control and
what have you. And but anyway, I know I'll get

(18:29):
to that in your book. So yeah, I was just
wondering about that because so some of these people, like
you said, that are in these spaces about that are
the conspiratorial spaces or whatever, so that they're putting themselves
out forward and saying that they're whistle blower for this,
but yet they're actually some of them are actually still
doing it.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
So that was the Sean he's still participating in that.
Kay is now Marcus. Now I'll just say he's now dead.
I can say it now dead, and it's transformation of America.
I just want to say it because they wouldn't let
me in my book, and so I'm saying it now
because yeah, so that's the book and.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Those are the people.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
And I have heard, actually I have heard of other
people having similar experiences as I had with them. So
I just I'm all about getting the truth out there
and that it's there are people who have suffered these things.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Reach out to me, Yes, please do.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
I would like to support you in prayer and however
with therapy even Yeah, honest, I'm recovered from this stuff,
but it was very hard experiences. But again on the
side of that, it's all for a purpose.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
I study these things.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Deeply and I still study them. I have I studied
them very deeply for a reason, and that's.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Still that I can support those who have.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Who are still experiences experience sherenting things way beyond what
I did, not to minimize it, but God protected me,
and by his grace, I don't know live iceer live
bit so.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
So glad that you did. For sure. I think that's
the majority of the reason I'm grateful too. I think
this majority of the reason why we suffer and go
through these hard times in our lives because we're going
to take that we've learned from that to help other people.
And it's interesting, even if a person is sex trafficked

(20:32):
or even just controlled or abused in any way, shape or
for they use similar principles that that these controllers are
handlers do. And what's talking to me is that you're
you've been in the conspiratorial type of realm for a while,
I guess twenty years before me. In fact, I was
forty three or forty four. Forty three, when I'm sorry

(20:53):
forty I was forty one or forty two is when
I had stumbled on some red pill type of subjects.
What I found out was that some of these high
profile celebrities that are really up there in the quote
Illuminati or what have you, that they have handlers. It's
not just that they have managers for the business side
of it, but they have handlers, and they use these

(21:14):
types of unfortunate trauma BASEDLNE control or whatever. Can you
tell us about how does one create a split personality
in an individual using trauma BASEDLNE control.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
There's it's usually like oftentimes it is sexually sexual trauma
because that reaches the core of the personality. The younger,
the better you can break a personality. We don't like
to think about these things, but in the serious dark
realms it starts at infancy. Really these the process. So

(21:49):
let me just gather my thoughts here.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Drugs.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Drugs are one way, like quarterboarding is another way. Electric
shop just really terror like terror things like like the
sorry trigger warning, but killing an animal, making a person
watch that, and then of course the next level would

(22:16):
be having seeing humans.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Hurt or worse. What else? Electric electricity.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
So just really a lot of pain torture type stuff
that I don't need to describe, but you can usually
like think Jesus on the Cross.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
This kind of.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yes, things will make your brain split and dissociate and
then when that pain threshold is reached, then they can
they will act, shout things, commands, words, and actually like
basically create part different parts of a personality that can
be dozens and dozens of parts that actually I won't

(23:01):
even know that the other exists, and they could be
awakened with a keyword. With colors, like there's a color
coding thing. Purple is actually known as the color of
silence to stay silent, So a one of these colors
are actually used in the media, used in Hollywood, and

(23:24):
even horror films are part of massline control because we
are not meant the brain cannot handle these images and
people think they're having fun, but it's actually creating a
little fragmenting in the mind.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
So I wouldn't I recommend.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Stop watchally horror films if you do that, right, because suggestible,
you become very suggestive suggestible.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yeah, yes, definitely, like in a altered state while watching it.
And that the fear causes trauma in a visual way,
even though they're not being torture sexually or whatever. But
so many things like you said that in the media,
that is some sort of mcha ultra even if it's
like a light mk Ultra if that makes any sense.

(24:19):
Like even watching these different things, even nine to eleven,
seeing those people diving from the building and what have you,
that was traumatizing to watch. And there's always a reason
why they show certain things or create certain movies or
what have you. And I was saying about how fear
to cause fear, about how that makes us very controllable.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
I was reading about how some certain movies would actually
be used by programmers to cause people to split in
a it's combined with the trauma based my control. But
it was I think it was the Wizard of Oz,
even though the person that wrote it, Frank Buff, didn't
need for that to necessarily be a movie for a Kaled,

(25:03):
But they used certain movies I've heard to illustrate, Okay,
so after that person's been through the trauma based mind control,
so they'll use the Wizard of Was to say, okay,
go over the rainbow, and so going over the reinbowment
that they were splitting off into another personality. Even even
innocent movies that we think, oh yeah, let's sci fi
or that's action in comedy or whatever, and nobody would

(25:25):
think that there's any grain of truth to it. We
just watched Captain America The Winter. I'm sorry, Captain Captain America.
The New World Order is fact or the Brave New
World I'm sorry. And so they had the one of
the things that they did was they played a song,
and so when the person would hear the song, because
they were already pals for mind control, that they that

(25:46):
that personality that was Leah Sassin, we rise up and
start killing people. And that really yes, yes. And in
the second Captain America, it shows Captain America's buddy Bucky.
It shows him a total bench candidate, mind controlled, and
it shows the revelation of the method. It shows him
being tortured by his handlers and then and then he

(26:08):
was suggestible by a word or words or whatever, and
then he went on killings for you or killed some
specific people because he was not in control of his mind,
will or emotions. It's amazing how in these movies it
really shows the revelation of how they do things.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Oh wow, that is it's not surprising at all. That's
like predictive programming, right.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
But the thing about.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
That religion, the religion of the Dark Side, is that
they must tell the truth of what they're doing, and
they do it in movies, so it's just a movie,
but they're actually and then.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
That gives them permission to do it.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
Apparently, I've heard that, and I even heard that that
how to create a undetectable mind control slave that actually
went goes further beyond the CIA, like thousands of years
before the CIA, to the some Egyptian hieroglyphs or whatever,
and it showed the methodology, the occult science behind creating

(27:08):
an a detectable mic control slave. And so I think
that the Egyptian pharaohs and the people at the top
or whatever, they might have gotten like information from valln
angels or divons or whatever to show them how to
create these my control slaves.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
It's crazy, well Lynn, like what was coming to mind. Lord,
we just thank you, thank you for that your spirit
would just fall on any minds who have been messed
with in this way, Father, and that supernaturally by your
spirit there would be a reparation, a reparation and a
right mindedness. Jesus, I thank you just for touching you

(27:48):
know exactly everybody who watches this, and that your spirit
would just go out and your Holy spirit would just
fall upon the viewer. Thank you, Father would comfort them
and broken places, whether it's from those degrees of harsh
experiences or less, but people are suffering, Lord, and we

(28:09):
just thank you for a return that they can return
and just be embraced by you Father, and that Jesus
you could just heal them. Just cry out and just
say Jesus, heal me, because it is it is about agreements.
The spiritual realm is about making agreements. So you have

(28:30):
to say yes to Jesus. So just say it out
of your mouth and say it audibly. Yes, Jesus, I
need you, and yes, thank you Jesus, Thank you Jesus.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
And the spirit of fear.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
I just want to say, the spirit of fear got
a hold of me so young because I was terrified
of my mom. Terrified and fear just yeah, there was
no feeling of safety ever. But again, we fight not
against slush and blood, but principalities and high places, and

(29:05):
those principalities had gotten into her father and then it
was passed on to her and then it was passed
on to me. But Lord, I just thank you for
a breaking of that fear. I used to shake, I
used to I was so anxious. I could hardly like
I had to cross the street. I was so afraid

(29:26):
of people. The enemy just kept me out of any
kind of conversation like this. There was no way I
could focus, or the anxiety would just make me break
off and run away. Keep us isolated, keep us scared,

(29:48):
isolate right when we're we told that to isolate. When
we get along and the wrong voices can start speaking
to us, get around, believers, start having life spoken. So yes,
you can be totally free. I am set free and
praise God. And that was an act, a step of forgiveness.

(30:10):
Had so much unforgiveness, so many multiple experiences that we
all have so many experiences that they're.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Pretty hard, pretty hard.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
You haven't gotten to the hardest ones yet. But boy,
letting go of that bitterness will set us free.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
And that fear.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Lives in those strongholds, lives in the strongholds of bitterness
and events and revenge. We will live in the hell
of anxiety and depression by choosing to meditate upon the
garbage experiences. So we need to try. If we want

(30:55):
to be free, we don't need to do anything. But
if we want to be free, we can cast those
things down and we can learn and control our mind
and our thoughts.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
In Jesus name.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
So thank you for listening. For anybody who is this.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
It has for sure we appreciate anyone who's listening or watching,
not utube or rumble or whatever, we really appreciate it. Yes, absolutely,
I think that's the key is forgiveness and love when
we obey what the word of God says, that we
love our enemy, even if o urenemy is our mom
or our dad, or brother or cousin of the gole

(31:35):
yand or whatever whoever it is that that they say
that bitterness is the poison that we drink that we
think will kill the other person. And and like you said,
you know that when we choose to forgive and to
love that person, that we're set free from those tackles
and chains that the enemy wants to put us in.
And that's so true for sure. What do you think

(31:56):
caused your mom to be a bitter person and to
speak those negative words over you were to your.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Her dad believed too strongly and spare the rod and
spoil the child, so he went to next level and
she actually left home at sixteen, so it was pretty
pretty vicious and I think some things happened to her.

(32:31):
She was scared of me being promiscuous. She was scared
of me having a big head about myself, of thinking
I was great. She really wanted to grind any bit
of pride out of me, any kind of indication of
self esteem. She wanted that to be crushed first. Oh

(32:55):
my god, she's could not.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Maybe she was doing God's work. I don't know, crushing machine.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
And cha, thank you for your sense of humor even
through these very dark times in your life. That's how
I deal with things as well, and make a joke
out of it or whatever. I always say. I don't
laugh all cry, so i'd be rather open. Wow, I'm
like you.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I'm like you.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
So no, it's fine. Yeah, that's what I'm assuming. I've
come to those conclusions.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
It's funny because when you take a when you go
to a crowded area to the public, whatever, you think,
you'd never think that this person's abused physically, verbally or sexually, whatever.
That we have these viewpoints of people. And I thought
that I was different than the other kids and everything
like that, but really and truly we all have very similar,
similar but different experiences and what have you. I always thought, oh,

(33:50):
the other girls have these these parents who are on
the Parent Teacher Association and got them into cheerleading and
all this. And my dad was like an introverted Jackie Chan,
except you as tied like a tiny Jackie Chan was
really involved necessarily when with the PTA meetings or what
I heard, thought thought, oh, well he was maybe a
f be a different person, but he did the best
he could. He was a good father for the most

(34:11):
parts and everything that yeah, because I used to think, oh,
a person's American, that they look like Britney Spears, they
don't have any problems, Like a person's appearance can be
like what they're actually going through on the inside. Just
just because they're attracted, pretty or handsome, it doesn't mean
that they have a great life. And that's something that
I have to realize that there's a lot of people

(34:33):
going through pain. They can look like a model on
your case and be athletic and be involved with these
different things. But then I would never think without the
spirit of God, I would not think that somebody like yourself,
if I didn't know your story, would have gone through
something you know that you did with rejection or abuse
in what have you. And yeah, it's interesting. I do

(34:55):
feel like we should talk about how bitterness confess and
what that looks like. And I think that that mom
that or these different people and it self included that
that when bitterness confessed or it looks like isn't it
that scripture that talks about that the root of bitterness
will grow up in defile many So that person's bitter,

(35:18):
then they take the bitterness on their child, out of
their child, and then that child becomes an adult and
takes it out on their child and what have you.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
That's a lot.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Oh, the generational the generational offense. Offense is dominant in
our society. People get offended, and even myself, it's that spirit.
It's almost encouraged stand up for your right this and
that there is a time.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
There is a time. But we do. Let me go
to your question.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
So, bitter root, I wait, say, as a little kid,
I didn't know I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
I could talk to anybody about that, and I didn't
even know what it was.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I just knew that I had this bitter taste in
my mouth and this pain in my solar plexus, and
I just hurt. So we need to talk to somebody
about it, about how we were hurting. So I was thinking,
what could have made a difference for me? Could I
have spoken with like I was thinking in high school

(36:25):
there was a high school counselor, but it was like
I didn't know what to do with that. I couldn't
reach out. I didn't have it in me to reach out.
So I think, yeah, it's tough, it's tough. I'm thinking that.
This is why I'm extending myself out here because for

(36:45):
somebody who's listening, who's bitter, like, if they just want
to even write to me about it to get it
off their chest, it's an invitation and just talked to
somebody about that upset. Yes, yes, which your email again, Dati,

(37:07):
It's just my name, Natalie Chilton n A T t
O l I E C h I L t O
N at gmail dot com. And somebody could just write
it out to me. I've actually had that happen. It
was just somebody just it was satisfying to me. So

(37:28):
that's why that is why I share this to give
to open the door for somebody else to get this
stuff out. Because the sooner you get it out, the
sooner you're going to heal and you just can't keep
it all tied in, pushed down, will never.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Heal if we stay that away forever. So get started.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Call it prayer line, email me, rein it out.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
I think that's just like we were younger, there's hardly
anyone to reach out to. And now I think this
newer generation that were open about things. If they're being
abused physically, verbally or sexual, you normally they can reach
out to somebody online or they usually tell somebody. But

(38:17):
back in the day we were younger in the eighties,
who do you tell? What do you say? And yes,
there were counselors and everything, But it's great to now
be able to go onto YouTube and watch a video
like this or rumble and watch a video like this
and say, I'm dealing with some bitterness or I'm hurt
by this person. But here's somebody that has gone through
something simpler. I can email Natalie, I can reach out

(38:38):
to Natalie. Yes, reach out to her, folks, no matter
what you're going through, and reach out to meet you too,
because we care about you and we love you in Christ.
And there's one thing I had to have to realize,
not everybody is our friend like, for example, not everybody
like that was something because I'm a very trusting person
and probably naive and tell times in years past where

(39:02):
because they would say hello and ask how I'm doing
and everything like that, and does not necessarily mean that
they're on my side or whatever. As you very well know,
there's people that you know that had befriended you and
that they were very manipulative of you. So what could
what would you say to somebody listening that skeptical about
or they'd befriended and trusted this person and this person

(39:24):
had really betrayed the trust, really used the friendship to
hurt them. What would you say to those people who
had trusted somebody and that person really hurt them and
thought and they feel like they can never trust again.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
There's a lot of people like that there. Oh gee,
let's see, Lord help me with this one. First of all,
it takes time for people to show you who they are.
So I think a lot of a lot of these
situations might be able to be averted if we took
more time to let people in a little more slowly

(40:01):
and not maybe give them so much. Sometimes we tell
them too much, We share too much of our personal
stuff that they could actually turn around and gossip abodas
or yaslight you with what you told them. Yes, I
used to have that with my brother who is mentally ill.

(40:22):
It's oh, your mental ill, like your brother, stuff like
that and okay, but we can trust God. That's the
bottom line. And basically, as we get the green flanks
that say yes, this person can be trusted, they follow through.
They do they keep their word. There are green flags

(40:45):
and there are red flags.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
And when people are giving you red flags.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Like saying a joke like cutting you down with a
it's oh like you got a fat butt or something
length things like a joke you're pretty old. When I
got the other day, I said a girl, a younger
girl said, oh, I like your boots that I said, yeah,

(41:12):
I said, they reminded me of Abba, Like they're these
cool Swedish kind of style and she goes, oh, I
was thinking they're like the spice girls.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
That just shows you from different eras.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Little thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
He's yes, I love that's funny jiu jitsu, buter calm down, purple.
It was funny. I'll be watching something similar. It wasn't.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
I think.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
I don't know if it was l but it was
one of those one of those shows. I'm sorry it wasn't.
It was a show where this pizza guy delivers like
twenty pizzas or something to this this home and he
and she said, I didn't order twenty pizzas, and he
said sometimes. She's probably in her forties. She said, so,
he says, sometimes our older customers select twenty when they

(42:09):
met two pizzas. And so he even showed her on
the phone, see, I said that you selected twenty, and
she says, that looks like it's two, not twenty. But
he was like, it was like a backhanded and sold.
She wasn't wearing her glass, but the lasses I need
to wear it. She didn't have a readers on so
nanleyear Lynn two or three book. I think he wrote

(42:32):
other books, didn't you you know what I did write.
I'm a co author of the Ripple Effective Impact.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
And people.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Go on my website if they want to get a
taste for the writing, and there's a free download there
of it's called Touched by the Supernatural and chase a
taste of It's like an appetizer to uenside Silenced to
give all labor of my backstory. It's like therapy ton

(43:06):
at the beginnings of God actually spiritually communicating with me.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Spirit to spirit.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Awesome is that's something that could be found on your
website or on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
That can be found.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
On my website for free. It's Breakup with Secrets dot Com.
You can just sign up and get your free download
off of there, or you can purchase it just off
of the Amazon. The Ripple Effect of Impact, I'm a
co author, so there's twenty three really great chapters in
there about women and the ripple effect that they see their.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Life as being wow, awesome, awesome.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
That's great.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
I'll have to check that out for sure, and I'm
definitely going to listen to the rest of your book.
And I think the story is important to share because,
like you said, like you wanted to fall to your
dad's study, which was strong and silent, when you know
that your father and heavin't wanted you to share your
story to come out of the silence. I think I
think that's how we are in bondage when we keep

(44:12):
those secrets, when we keep silent about things, versus when
we share it with other people. When we share a
story with other people, were saying Okay, this is this
was my issue. But this is what this is where
I went to God to help me with this problem?
Or what have you? I think that did you say
that we're all these because our secrets? So is it
you within that? Let's mentioned that in our book.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah, you know what that is like an old recovery
statement and it's so true. Oh yes, like it is
like if you want to get if you want to
get sober, if you want to get whole.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, let go of those secrets.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
It's absolutely necessary to maintain sobriety in my opinion for sure. Yes,
my dear, And I've got an upcoming book called Resilience
coming up.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Like next month.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
It's after in another book. So it's all about resilience,
it's all about truth. That one is about yeah, peace
and forgiveness.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
It's amazing. What is it called?

Speaker 1 (45:13):
My chapter is called Ambassador of Love.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Ambassador of Blood. Awesome, Oh praise God. All right, thank
you so much Natalie for your time tonight. I really
appreciate you. And I know that what our listeners or
watches is blessed. If you're still listening, are watching thus far,
and then you please get ahold of Natalie and I
don't see why they wouldn't write, but I do know
sometimes with the A D D S, she hurts you

(45:40):
the only one who just listened to something five in
is long whatever thirty seconds. So let's look at the
plus again. Get a hold of Natalie or check out
her books and it's n A T t O L
I E A last name Chilter c H I L.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
T O N.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
And got her amazing book on Silenced and new book
coming yep. And she's co authored books and she's really
been a wise, beautiful blessing to us all it really
appreciate you and God blessed.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
So I appreciate you, blessed all the listeners whoever has listened.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
And yeah, God is with you period a man.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
Absolutely, thank you so much, thank you so much for listening,
for watching the cross Falls podcast. I'm your host Jerry
and I had the pleasure and honor talking with Natalie
Chiltern tonight. I have a great day.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Can I thank you so much Natalie
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