Shapeshifting, Seizures & Sight Restored: Deliverance Stories with Mark & Amber

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm watching him minister to this lady and all of
a sudden, the best way I can explain it right here,
her hair. She's like a blond lady, but her hair
is going like this. She turns completely hair all over
her body and then her face.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Oh my gosh. And I go, uh what, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Sectim and I say, man, I see a yetti.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
He goes, yetti. Spirit, if you're there, get up. And
that little girl like five foot two, one hundred and
twenty pounds, she all of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
She goes, man, WHOA saw that? Spirit?

Speaker 1 (00:41):
I saw that in spirit. But we've seen a lot
of you have some sugar wotion.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
And he came back and he told me about this
vision that he had, and I was like, so, did
you see it like with your eyeballs or you know,
cause again I'm like super analytical. I want to know
did you see it with your eyeballs or did you
see it in your spirit? Like through your mind? And
he said I saw it with my eyes, and I

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was like wow.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
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Speaker 4 (01:47):
Father God, I just thank you so much for this
opportunity for us. Together we welcome Holy Spirit into this place,
that you would lead us and guide us, lead and

(02:09):
guide this conversation for your glory, for the glory of
the Father, for the glory Son, and for the glory
Holy Spirit. That you would draw all men unto you,
draw all men unto you. God. I pray God that
you would be living today in Jesus name.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Amen, Amen, Amen.

Speaker 6 (02:30):
Welcome to the Cross Files Podcast. We have our special
guests tonight, passengors, Mark and Amber with significant revelation in
Georgia and welcome. Welcome, and I'm your host or half
of your hosts.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I'm Jeralen and I'm Michael, and we're.

Speaker 6 (02:47):
Together over the Cross Files podcast. We were also and
we're also known as the Stranger Clock podcast too. We
give you honor and we are very honored to have
you on board. So thank you so much for spending
time with us tonight.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
We appreciate it so very much for having us.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yes, thank you absolutely U.

Speaker 6 (03:08):
So, pastors market Amber, Uh, could you each give us
your testimonial about how you came to know Jesus.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Absolutely beautiful.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Okay, So she's beautiful. Thank you, So are you?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Oh, thank you very much, Michael.

Speaker 6 (03:27):
Yeah, as well as everybody beautiful.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Everybody's great to be here.

Speaker 7 (03:37):
This is so beautiful. All you guys listening are beautiful.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yes, the audience listeners are very beautiful. Okay, go ahead.
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Oh you're fine. So mine is kind of like a
life story, so I'll try to keep it brief. So
I grew up in a Christian home, grew up assemblies
of God, gave my heart over to Jesus like five
hundred times. When I was little, I was like constantly

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going down to the altar making sure that I was saved,
that I had turned my heart over to him. I
went into ministry my early twenties, had gotten married and
went into ministry and that ended up just totally disintegrating.

(04:35):
I guess if you would if that's.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
All I understand.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
But anyways, so I was married for sixteen years before
had walked away from God. Approximately ten of those years
I was agnostic. I was not following Jesus. I stepped away.
I don't want to get into the d details of it,

(05:01):
but there could be some people out there that maybe
were in situations or relationships where Christ wasn't a focal
point or a something that was fostered in that relationship.

(05:23):
And so for those of you, you know, the Lord
actually brought me out of that marriage. I was let's see,
or how many years ago was this now? Six six,
seven years? Though? Two six years? I'm sorry, twenty eighteen seventeen. No, No,

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At the end of twenty seventeen, I started going through
a divorce. And at that time I was in a
just a very depressed place. I had given up my
beliefs in God. I had given up a lot of stuff.
The job that I was working at was shifting. I

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was in Corporate America. I was working there as a manager,
and they were letting people go left and right, and
so Anyways, I ended up reaching out to somebody who
I used to work with. They got me a job
to come in or an interview to come in. And
when I came in, it was a place I used

(06:31):
to work for that I said I would probably never
work at again, And sure enough, I went in. I
didn't even bring in my resume, but they hired me
right off the bat. And so I come into this
place and I start working there towards the end of
twenty seventeen. It was the very beginning of twenty eighteen.

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I started working out at this place. At this time,
I was two hundred and forty pounds or right around.
Maybe I'd lost a little bit of weight at that point,
but about two hundred and forty pounds, severely depressed, going
through a divorce, just change jobs, trying to figure out
what in the world I'm doing with my life. And
I get on this elevator. I leave work early. I

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get on this elevator and I meet this man. I
was on the twentieth floor. I get to the nineteenth
floor and there's this man wearing a skull cap and
a hoodie turned the opposite direction. I said, excuse me, sir,
you're going down, and he said, oh, oh yeah, and
he gets on the elevator and he tells me that

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he had just been he just moved into the building
a couple days before. I had just started, maybe a
couple weeks before, and so he asked me if I
wanted to stay in contact and I said sure. See
that morning, I just start working out at a gym
and I made a commitment to try to lose weight.
And it was like January, so they say, you know,

(08:03):
give up something and add something. So at that time,
I was actually meditating. I was starting to meditate and
stuff like that, and so people were saying meditation or prayer.
I was like, I'm not doing the prayer thing. I'll
you know, and I already have meditation. So I'm going
to start talking to people and so. And then I
also said, okay, what am I going to give up?

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And at that time, I was going to give up cookies,
eating cookies every night for dinner. Anyway. So so anyways,
I am talking to this person on the elevator and
he says, well, would you want to stay in contact?
And I thought back to that promise I made in
the morning. Okay, I'm going to start talking to people.
So we exchange information and that evening we start talking

(08:48):
and this person says, do you believe in God? And
I said I'm agnostic and he said, well, just keep
an open mind. I said okay, but I'm not going
to church. And he said, okay, I didn't invite you.
And I was like okay, so we could laugh. Anyways,
I tell him everything that was going through, stuff that

(09:10):
you don't tell somebody when you first meet them. You know,
I'm going through a divorce, all this stuff, you know, crying.
It was. Anyways, three days, three or four days later,
this was on a Friday. On a Tuesday, I end
up talking to this person again and they say, you know,
I've got to go to church. I've had a rough day.

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I said, okay, I'm coming. He was like, well, you
said that you weren't coming to church coming, you know
you you heard me out. I'm coming. You know I'm
gonna be there for you. Is how I felt it.
So I get in the car and I start driving
and I ended up calling the person that had got
me the job and she says, I sell her them

(09:56):
going to church right now. She's like, wow, said, do
you know that I've been praying for you since you
told me that you weren't a believer anymore. I've been
praying for you, and here you are going to church.
She had invited me to several women's things and I
was like, no, I'm not doing that stuff. So anyways,
I show about this church. It's not like anything I

(10:18):
had ever been to before. There there was no worship team.
They were just playing some music up front. They were
playing Passion of the Christ behind taking communion. I mean
it was very It was deep for me, you know,
because I had gone to a really big church growing up,
you know, a thousand plus and so anyways, at the end,

(10:41):
there's this man that walks up to me, who I
thought looked like a farmer during the whole entire service,
I was kind of joking, comes up to me. I
don't know anybody in this place. The person that I
was coming to me was out in their car for
a lot of it ministering to somebody. So anyways, this
man comes up to me and he proceeds to tell

(11:03):
me everything that I was going through and proceeds to
prophesy to me about my future. Everything starts telling me
about Wow, praase God, I was going to find my
purpose in life, starts to tell me about my future
spouse and about a child or children, you know, like
just starts to run things down. Now, how this person

(11:26):
first of all that I'm not married, or that I
don't have kids. You know that he was able to
just say all this stuff. So at that moment, I
was just floored, and I was like, Okay, Jesus, you're real.
That's it. You know, I can't play agnostic anymore. I'm
faced with God. And at that point I didn't feel

(11:48):
like there was anybody else in this world. It was
just me and Jesus. And so from now and on,
that was it. And it actually that morning I had
woken up and God had given me a vision or dream.
It was so real, reminding me of when I had
given up my belief in God. And it was very

(12:08):
specific and it brought me to tears. And so the
whole day God was working on me and getting me
to that place. At that night, I just turnover and
that person that I met on the elevator happens to
be this guy right here.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
So wow, the Lord works in mysterious ways. That's amazing.
That's also thank you so much, for sharing Amber and
Pastor Bark, can you give us your testimonial.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Absolutely. So I grew up in church. I grew up
a lot of rules, regulations, and tradition. The one thing
they did not teach us is to establish a personal
relationship with Jesus. So I had that as a foundation,
and as my life progressed, I had developed an ungually addiction.

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And it was an addiction we say, a two legged addiction.
It was addiction to women. And so it's always, you know,
ever since I was a child, this has just been
a reality of mine. And so my oldest son, Pastor
Mark Christ Junior, he had a near death experience in

(13:24):
playing sports and in that process he found the Lord
me not so much, all right. So I remember him
calling me one day and he's saying, Dad, I got
to tell you something. And he was at this church
and at the end of service they asked people for
you know, if you need special prayer to come up,

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and so they took the group of people to like
a private room, and he and another personal brand for
a young lady and a demon manifest He one years old,
but this ancient voice comes out of her. He's telling
me this and I'm like, that's Hollywood, man, that's not real,
you know, That's what I'm thinking. I've been fifty years,

(14:08):
you know, and he's like, Dad, I promise. And so
we had established a relationship that I knew he saw something, right,
But as far as demons speaking out of a young girl,
maybe not so much. But I am, you know, a
fraud investigator, and it gave me an opportunity to start researching,

(14:29):
all right. And I know if I was trying to
debunk it, debunk it so much as much as just
try to determine what it is he experienced, what the
phenomenon was. So at that time, I was dealing with
the spirit of insomnia, you know, pretty badly, and so
I was up in the middle of the night anyway.

(14:50):
So I just began to research, right, and I'm reading scripture,
you know. And for the people that would doubt, let
me just say this, first of all, it's impossible more
skeptical than I was. I walked out work in the
fraud investigative arena for thirty two years. It is impossibly
more skeptical than me. So I'll keep that in mind.

(15:10):
I have everybody keep that in mind. And so then
it's when I you know, we were blessed to administer
to a lot of young people. And I would just say,
you know, google the scriptures about fallen angels and demons
and unclean spirits. All right, there's scores. Now google the
one that says they no longer exist. It's not there,
all right. I was looking at right, I'm reading these

(15:35):
scriptures thinking about what he says. And then I'm on
YouTube and I find Bob Larson, the real extorcist. All right,
So I begin to look at his videos right in
the beginning, like what is his focus? Focus? But I'm
watching several of these videos every night, and I'm hearing

(15:57):
the people in Ireland say with the people and London said,
and they're saying what the person said in Russia, and
they're saying exactly what the person said in Iowa in Mississippi.
And I'm like, all right, okay, is this you know,
mass hysteria or what? And then I began to pray
like that if this is real, then please show me

(16:21):
right And then also and understand that nobody put a
gun to my head. My behavior is my behavior. I
own my behavior, okay, But because of the ungodly addiction.
If this stuff is real, could there be some contributing factors?
And I want to say it that way, all right?
And since then, of course I've studied there's generational curses,

(16:44):
and there's some you know, demonica pressors. All this stuff
is real, so I begin to pursue it from that
that that viewpoint. Okay, all right, let me let me
not shut the door on this, because there's something here,
right And then Bob is coming to South Carolina, and
we live outside of Atlanta, and at that time, I

(17:07):
didn't tell my wife or my twelve girlfriends, and I
drove over. And I don't say that to brag, because
it's nothing to be proud of. This is just you
asking me my testimony.

Speaker 6 (17:19):
And this is where we're I totally understand.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
I'm just saying, for the people that might be watching
this is there's nothing to brag. It's it's unfortunate, but
it is part of my testimony.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
We all have a past.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
And if God didn't bring me through what he brought
me through to keep my mouth shut so he gets
the glory.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
For everything a man, praise God.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
And for anybody that might be watching, if you should
judge me, understand now I don't give a flying pharisee,
so that we're clear.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
I love that.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
I love that the flying Pharisee.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Might understand that they judge Jesus, they'll judge me. I'm
okay with that's right.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
So I drive over now of South Carolina, and it's
in a hotel, you know, conference room, and so this
lady brings her daughter to have a demon cast out. Well,
Bob Larson cast a demon out of the daughter and
the mole. And I'm sitting out of you know, the

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people in the room, you know, obviously they're familiar with this,
you know, but this is the first time I've been there.
So now I kind of hang out at the back
of the room. And when they're you know, the service
is over, I go to the lady and her daughter
and I began to ask some interview questions. It's just
kind of automatic, right, and they're like, it's like I

(18:39):
was in the third person. I could hear these things
coming out of my mouth, but I wasn't in control
of what I was saying. Now again, now I see
this in front of me, right, And then I aligned
with the last couple of months of me doing research
and then scripture and then I'm like, okay, all right.

(19:00):
So Bob Larson and said, well, there's a pastor that's
coming from Atlanta. I like you to meet him, as
Pastor Donnie Williams's Liberation Freedom Ministry. And I said, okay,
I was a couple hours away from Atlanta. I said,
I'll meet him. And I met him, and he invited
me to his church. And at this point, okay, man,

(19:22):
I'm gonna write this thing out. And so I was
telling one of my friends at the time, and she
believed in this stuff. And she's like, I believe in
this stuff. I want to go with you, right, and
so we we go. Actually, I'm sorry. The first time
I went, I bought another investigator with me. She's a

(19:42):
pKa preacher's kid, so I figured she must have seen
some of this before we get there. She's like, man,
I've never seen Now, this is a pastor's child that
has never seen anything. Okay. And so after a while
we look at each other and we're like, let's go.
And as we're walking out, this is my very first

(20:02):
IHIA moment. As we're walking out, one of the pastors
stops us to engage us some conversation, and about ten
feet away, it's this kid nineteen or twenty years old.
He has his head cocked, he's staring in his face,
and his sound coming out of him was like any
blood curdling scream or screech that you see on any
horror movie.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Right, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
All right. The other investigators looking at him, and she
was like, what the world's going on? But I'm looking
at everyone around and nobody's panicking. They're just walking around
like it's another day in the office. And that was
like my first IHIA moments, like conditional be real, you know,

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based on everything and now scriptures and based on the research,
and here it is and before me and what I
saw a week ago in South Carolina, you know, in
my mind, it's like, okay, all right. So I tell
one of my friends and she was like, why believe
in that stuff? I want ago, all right? So I
bring her back, you know, a couple of weeks later,

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and a generational alter speaks through her.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Oh my gosh, wow, is you know.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Talking about someone being murdered swinging on a tree lynch,
excuse me, swinging on the tree and her and I
was like, okay, all right, she's not making this up. Okay,
So now I have all of this to deal with, right,
So I began to again there was enough circumstantial evidence

(21:35):
for me to go forth with whatever investigation I was doing. Again,
I don't think I was trying to find fault, but
I wanted an answer. Okay, I'm seeing too much circumstantial evidence, right,
I do see this all right? But how how is
it that I can be in church for fifty years

(21:56):
and don't know this stuff? That was you know, my my,
my thinking on it? Uh? So what happened? I personally
now would come for weekly delivering sessions, okay, and what
would happen and just it's like, you know, speaking to

(22:17):
you guys, or I'm speaking to my bride here, and
it's like the pastor is speaking to me. And if
you would just say, if you act like you're ministering
me in.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
The mighty name of Jesus, I command every demon to
go down.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
That's what I would do. I would literally fall our
pass out.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Wow, thank God.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
And like fourteen months to that, they would have me
stand up like a horse and I pass out. Now,
someone would say, why would you keep coming back? Because
how could this be? If it's not supernatural. That's why
I came back, you know, because I'm very much awake.

(23:00):
All day I'm doing investigating reports, I'm correcting other people's reports, editing,
and all day I'm at work and I drive an
hour to the session. They speak to me ten or
fifteen minutes and then I'm out right. And then after
I'd actually have to sit in the car for a
little while to collect myself before I drive back. Before

(23:23):
I drove back, excuse me. So that was the motivation
to keep going, and then the process of going and
just not giving up. I thank God he put that
in me, not to give up. But I'm more you know,
greatful him to him for not giving up on me,
or you know, the deliverance minister just not getting up

(23:44):
on me. Because now that I am a deliverance minister,
you know, I could see how the enemy could use that,
you know, try to use that against them, you know,
but they just stay with it. And more important, Holy
spirits stayed with it, and so I kept going. And

(24:06):
what happens in the process of those fourteen months, right,
there's another Apo. There's a man of God. His name
is Apostle James Vivian he's with Jesus Christ teaching ministries
in Kansas City, Missouri. Right, they would tell me about
this mighty man of guy. They would like, just talk

(24:26):
about this guy, like, okay, well, I'd like to meet
this guy. So he comes to town, right, and they
meet me and a pastor. Donny goes, this is a
guy Mark that I was telling you about. When we
minister to him, he passes out. All right. The guy
with Apostle Vivian goals he has witchcraft on her on

(24:47):
his bloodline. And her name is Sabrina or whatever. Now again,
these people are weird. You know. I'm here, but this
is not adding up. But when when he said that,
in my own mind, I hear a totally different name.
All right. I won't call her name, but let's just
say Jackie. I hear Jackie, but I don't say anything

(25:10):
to anybody. After I hear that, Like two seconds later,
Apostle Vivia goes, no, her name is Jackie. My second,
I have moment. All right, I'm an investigator. There's no
way this man can know this stuff. So once I
saw that, I was like, Okay, this stuff is this

(25:30):
stuff is real, all right? So then I began to
travel with these guys like I'll go get your coffee,
I'll carry your books, I'll carry your luggage. Just let
me be here. And I thank God, you know that
he allowed me to, you know, have a job. As
long as I have a computer and a telephone, I
can go anywhere. So I was able to do that,

(25:52):
and I started traveling with these guys. And now people
are coming over and they're like, hey, you pray for me. Now.
Years ago, I had scoliosis. Look at my back. Person
stand up and she's like, I remember this, lad ship.
I just graduated law school. I'm like, okay, all right,
I'm seeing this stuff and I'm seeing people getting prayed
for and they're getting healed in front of me, right,

(26:14):
and then wow, love dearest. All right, so now I'm
the holder. If you ever seen any of these cats
casting out people, casting out demon excuse me of people,
they have a person holding, all right. So I was
there to kind of earn and then apossible goes get
up and I was like looking around and I was
like okay, and I began to hold people all right.

(26:38):
So now now that I'm now I'm the holder, right,
that means after the demons leave, you know, we've established
some rapport here, I can go find that person and
continue with my investigation. And again it's more of third person,
this is what was happening, and uh, you know, even

(26:58):
down in your area of Florida, we went, We've been
in Michigan several places to Carolina's and everything is consistent
to what I've been seeing in person online, right, And
so I kept going on and on and on and
quick version of this story. My middle son, at the

(27:19):
age of eleven, was diagnosed with epilepsy. Right, so from
a time he's eleven till he's nineteen, he's having these
epileptic seizures to the point where had to get him
out of brick and mortar school. He had to go
online because when you had a season a sizar, excuse me,
it can knock him out for a couple of days,
like super tired. So now I've been traveling so much

(27:41):
with these guys and I'm seeing these miracles, things that
you just can't explain, you know, an investigator, can you
know you can't explain it, right, And I'm.

Speaker 7 (27:53):
Like, I'm just learning about you guys for the first time,
and this is excellent, So please continue pastor both of
you guys. This is so cool.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, And of course I'll,
you know, be honored to answer any question. So now
I'm all. I was about my son, all right, So
I tell him, I said, listen, I got to get
you in front of these these guys I've seen miracle
after miracle man. And of course, you know, he wasn't
raised to know about demons or anything like that, because

(28:27):
like I said, I've been in church fifty years and
I didn't know it to even teach him. But I
know what I saw, and I know what I experienced,
and I also know, you know, my interviews have been consistent.
You know the results of my interviews have been consistent
from people all over the world and all over the country.
But it aligns with testimonies from people all over the world. Okay,

(28:50):
that's what I made. So sure enough, we actually get
him there in Lakeland, Florida, not too far from you,
and there was a meeting that Apostle Vivian had there,
and so we get we get him in front of

(29:10):
Aposto Vivian. Now, my son at that time is like
one hundred and forty pounds, soaking wet, with bricks in
his pocket. All right, that's how small he was. Now
at that time, I was, you know, a lot bigger
working out. So I'm holding him on no, on that side, right,
and it's another guy. His name was Gary. He's like

(29:33):
built like a linebracker. He's holding him on this side.
My son was moving us around. The demon was manifested.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
And so anyway, the demon comes up on my son
and the demon and midsgiving my son epilepsy add ADHD, sleepwalking,
sleep talking. The demon is saying this, okay, I'm here
or there, you know, hold them. And I'm hearing my

(30:04):
son say this now now, so the we're clear everybody.
I've been watching this stuff on the internet. I went
and seen it in person. I'm reading scripture. I'm interviewing
just about everybody that I'm around at has a demon.
But this is my son. He had no reference point

(30:25):
to make this stuff up. And his testimony is powerful,
you know what he says. But anyway, the demon was
cast out, and then after that, my son never had
another seizure. Never did he has to this day he
had had another seizure and he's twenty six now, So

(30:45):
thank God for that. And So now I remember coming
back to Atlanta, and you know, we're telling the doctors
and the doctors I'm paraphrasing well, and you know we
can and good consciousness take him off his medicine because
you said he's faithfulled, but we can win him off

(31:07):
his medicine. And I think I gave a wrong day,
deep believer, bro It was October first, But what happens.
He was taking eight pills a day, eight pills a day.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
The day he took his last pill was October first,
twenty and seventeen. Right. The reason that I would know
that day is because my first cousin, Barrett god Rest
his soul, had an epileptic seizure in his sleep and
died the very same day. So I would give this

(31:42):
testimony the rest of my life. And so you know,
every since then my life changed. You know that this
is the reality of it. Right now, you see these things.
I don't want to learn deliverance, and so I began
to study. I began to, you know, continue to follow

(32:04):
these guys around and you know, and learn as much
as I can from my mentors. And then Amber and
I moved to Maui, who lived on Mawi on the
island of Maui for like ten months and they're six
hours ahead. I'm sorry, six hours behind and east goes right.

(32:26):
So our office at Liberation Freedom Ministry, if we have questions,
we can always go next door down the hall, right.
But now I'm literally on an island, and if I
have any questions, I can't call these guys at two
or three o'clock in the morning. So the Holy Spirit
isolated me. I thank God that was part of his plan.
And so I was able to learn a deliverance from

(32:50):
you know, my mentors, but a lot from the Holy Spirit.
And so that's that's pretty much my story as far
as me being delivered, I would do a lot of yawning,
and they would they they told me that even when
I was passed out, like I'm laying there like this,
they will be ministering to me. And they said, I'll

(33:11):
be like, you know that, that's what they say. I
was out. I believe them. I don't think they lied
to me. But one time, apossible Vivians comes back to Atlanta,
like he will come with a couple of times a year,
and he says he was prophesied and said God said
you're about to have a breakthrough. I was like, okay,
I know what that meant. But so I go to

(33:32):
my session and all of a sudden, you know, like
some people you know up chuck and cry and scream
and we just want the demons out. Okay, but that
wasn't my story. What happened is all of you are
fairly young people. But back in the day, you gotta

(33:53):
trust me on this. I promised. Television used to go off,
all right, all right, and so I remember it was
a screen and the screen would get smaller and it'd
be like this little dot and then TV will be off.
That's what it was. That's the best run. Yeah, So
he's ministering to me, and I saw like a vision

(34:15):
of a guy with a turbinea on like the Middle East,
and then the boom and it was gone. And then
there was another face behind that, and it did it
like nine different faces, oh my gosh, delivered and then
the last like all eight left, and the last face

(34:35):
was a woman with an afro and she kind of
came here like this and then she went back. And
at that time I was involved with such a woman.
But I had got delivered other than what I believe
now because of the soul tie and active soul tie
I have. That's why that uh, that one didn't leave.

(34:56):
But that's that's my story, the PG version. It's been changing.
And then you know what happened. We were in Maui
and I would I had a dream and the dream

(35:17):
was that I was on this boat. I had a
megaphone right, and I could see far away this shipwrecked,
the evidence of of a shipwreck. And I remember saying,
we're on our way, and behind me was Amber and
several pastors of that Deliverance church that was a part
of at the time. And so we went to where

(35:41):
the shipwreck was and I could look around right, and
I would see pieces of wood and people like on them,
floating on the pieces of wood, but in white words
were written like homosexuality, or fear or or promersecurity, right

(36:03):
or sadness, and so we, you know, try to throw
them a lifeline. M right. Oh, And then they were
there and was these sharks going around them, right, and
we were right And then they wouldn't grab them. Some
people grab them, and most people were just there. They
wouldn't move. And I remember waking up now all right, now,

(36:27):
I'm awake, and it goes from a dream to a vision,
like I'm sitting up next to my wife. At that time,
she had gotten herself pregnant, so she was there, uh,
and I'm sitting I'm sitting up in the bed. But
now I can see continuation of the trend. And so

(36:47):
I remember that, and we would the one thing I
know we couldn't do. We couldn't stop. We could slow down,
but we couldn't stop because there were other shipwrecks. He
showed me other shipwrecks, and so even if you can imagine,
you know, the people floating here and the boat goes
through it, we were even behind us trying to throw

(37:08):
people to lifelines, the buoys and everything, and some people
wouldn't grow, wouldn't grapp them. I remember praying Lord, the
you know boat for them. But we couldn't stop because
on the horizon we saw the sun going down. Right
there was another shipwreck. And so that that's kind of
prompted our ministry and our ministry significant revelation. You know,

(37:33):
that's part of our calling. We equip God's people, and
our ministry is not for everybody, right, so we it's
called a boot camp for special ops. So we realized
everybody making.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Everything get through boot camp, that's great.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Everybody can't be special ops. So I'm not offended. You know,
if it's not for everybody, we're attacked or people drop,
it's okay. It's God had already spoken to me about
this particular ministry. And so then now we're getting uh.
We started off with a Bible study. It's called Significant Revelation,

(38:09):
and our slogan was this is not your grandmama's Bible study.
That's what we were saying, because the goal was to
take the Bible, the pretext of the Bible, concepts of
the Bible, and see how it fits in twenty twenty
one or twenty twenty two, whenever we started, and today

(38:29):
what does it mean?

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (38:31):
And as I learned, I talk, you know, rather than hey.
I was called to preach at four o'clock. I walked
four I mean at four years old. Excuse me, I
walk on water. My sin don't stink. Now, my I
got the entire ministry. Brother Michael said, if God can
save me, he can save anybody. Right. Amen, that's just
that's just my story here. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And so

(38:55):
then we start getting prophetic words about this madsture you
guys are gonna have. It's not an outline, it's not
a blueprint. And so I kept hearing. I'm hearing from
well known profits. And now my bride and I went
to a conference in Maui and people for profits there

(39:16):
were giving us the same words, and I'm like, okay,
So there, I said, all right, what we'll do then
is we'll just let the Holy Spirit run it. We'll
let him have his way and uh, and that's it.
And so that's what we've been doing, you know. Uh,
you know, we do prophetic worship. We have seen blind

(39:36):
eyes open, we have seen deaf ears open, we have
seen broken bones hell, we have sween seen swelling go
down in front of us.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
And for the people that you know want to check
these things out, if you, if I may, you know,
please take a look at our website or YouTube. You'll
actually see, yeah, please share. It's a significant revelation, uh
dot calm and significant revelation on YouTube. Right. But you

(40:05):
want to look at is healing at the.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
Mall's it's a part of what happens that sagre.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Okay, what happens that sagarette and then a Liberation Freedom Ministry.
The other ministry were tied to Buddy's ministry healing. At
the mall, you will see a man that I had
a stroke and this was two thousand and one. He
had a stroke and this was twenty twenty one. Excuse me,

(40:33):
but he had a stroke in two thousand and one.
Right arm atrophy paralyzed on one side. Right as we're recording.
You will see him move his arm and his leg.
All right, he was he totally blind. Awesome, Yeah, six
months to see in this side. He can only see
two inches in front of him. His wife coma yeah,

(40:55):
called a lacoma. Said he had a pinhold of light,
pinhole light. That's all he could see. And the doctor
says nothing they can do. Well, we pray for him
and to God be the glory. Still we're clear. God
doesn't all happen platifically, nothing to do with us having
a faith and believing that God does everything. But his

(41:17):
eyepops and he sees his wife for the very first time,
he married his wife. Please please take a look at it.
You know, it's encouraging for eithers to see that these
things happen today. And so now you know, you know,
our ministry. In our ministry, we just do not allow

(41:37):
any fear. The only fear that is allowed his house
is the fear of God. But ther than that we
true fear. It's not of God, right, And so the
Church has got gotten away from teaching miracles, even though
us all biblical right, even though the Bible tells us

(41:59):
to heal the sick, cleansed the lepers, raised it, the
cast out demons. When people see this stuff, it has
become weird, right, because the Church is no longer teaching them,
and so people stopped believing them. And what kind of mirror? Okay.

Speaker 7 (42:18):
I am very excited to meet you guys, and just
like kind of in the clouds of happiness because I
moved here to North Carolina from Hawaii, Big Island and Waikiki,
where I met and married my wife. Did a lot
of mission work in Asia before that, in China and

(42:39):
Japan and Taiwan and whatever. This show is not about me,
but my grandfather Don Bashim deliverance minister. I just met
some deliverance ministry this afternoon in North Carolina from Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Awesome Praise God.

Speaker 7 (42:58):
Fountain of Hope Court on Facebook Fountain of hope course,
And I was like, you, guys, I'm about to interview
you deliverance ministers tonight on Strange a Clock podcast, so lah,
and so that was awesome, and so I just I'm
kind of interested to know more about on that front,
about your your interface with the deliverance ministry, like what

(43:24):
have you experienced what kind of things just for the
podcast audience there, everybody's interested in demons and ghosts and
all that kind of stuff. So I have some stories.
I'm sure you guys have some. So in our limited
time kind of what what experiences have you had with
the uh in the deliverance ministry that can spark people's

(43:47):
faith into the that the supernatural realm is real, you know,
above all the digital and the physical that when you
start to get delivered, have you experienced any kind of
supernatural kind of Okay, yeah, it's real type of experiences

(44:08):
on your front.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Sure, Well, to God be the glory every day. So
I'm saying that he gives me a front row seat
to what he does every day. You know, So I
would say between five and seven days a week we
cast out demons.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Absolutely awesome.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Give you a couple of stories here, and I know
my bride has one. You know, my wife is super
smart and you know she can be analytical sometimes, and
so she has one story that she saw that she
would like to share with you. But if it's okay,
I want to just go into some quick scripture and

(44:49):
then will be glad to share.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Amen. Absolutely, yes and the better yes, Amen for sure.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Say it is Matthew Tenney. All right, here'll cleanse the lovers,
raised the dead, cast out demons, all right, going to
the churches. I said, who says that? And the pastor goes, well,
it's in red. So Jesus says this, okay for the
people that's listening, Uh, you'll be some people are taught
that a Christian can't have a devil, a Christian can't

(45:20):
have a demon. That's that's not biblical. All right, So
clear if you reach out to us, we'll be glad
to have that conversation. We don't shy away from it.
But Jesus is instructing us to do this, all right,
Mark seventeen through twenty. These are the signs that follow
those who believe in my name. They will he'll the sick,

(45:42):
it's right.

Speaker 6 (45:43):
There, cast out demons, cats out devils, emen, we.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Do not wrestle with flesh and blood, Mark one thirty nine. Okay,
And I'll say this. I'll say this all right, And
if you ask any Christian believer, if Jesus is the
example that we're followed, everyone's going to say, yeah, that's

(46:08):
the pastors, the bishops, the cardinals, whoever else, they are
the grandpoop us every Yeah, he is the example that
we're supposed to follow. Okay, And they acknowledge. And then
I come back and say, well, you do realize that
one third of his ministry was casting out demons, And yes,
gospels signed up, the Gospels, Matthew, Luke and Mark. One

(46:30):
third of those scriptures are dedicated to casting our demons.
I said, okay, so we will and now I have
him look at the scriptures now now Mark one thirty nine.
He preached in their synagogues and he cast out devils.
Who did that? Jesus? Okay, Now he's the example that
we're supposed to follow. Like, okay, So if he's the

(46:52):
example that we're supposed to follow on all things that equal,
then how is it that one third of every ministry
doesn't cast out demons? One third of every pastor is
not trained to cast out demons. One third of every
sermon that we hear discussing demons, right, So, I mean,

(47:17):
so it's kind of after I say that, it's kind
of crickets. So they have to come up with, well,
you know that was before. That's when the apostles died
off and they just make some stuff up. It's not true.
So I want to make sure that we establish that right.
And this is something this is something I simply do
not argue with about. All right, That'll be like like

(47:39):
you a woman of guds. Somebody said, well, I don't
think your name is geraldin. Now you the driver's license,
you know, your marriage license, your birthatip. You could do that,
or you can just say okay because you already know
what you know. I'm more like, this is something I
deal with every day, you know. And so uh, that's
part of our program here. We do what Jesus says,

(48:03):
you know. We we teach stop talking about what Jesus did,
stop praying about what Jesus did, stop studying about what
Jesus did, and do what Jesus did. Amen, love me,
keep my commandments. That is that the Bible. Okay. And
I asked right, God, If he says heal the sick,

(48:27):
cleanse the lepers, raised the dead, and cast out demons,
is that a command or is that a request?

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Definitely a command?

Speaker 1 (48:36):
For sure that there you go, everybody, check the Bible. Okay,
it's sitting there. He is not asking you to do it.
And then he says, then he says, these are the
follow These are the size of those who believe in
my name. They will do these things.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yep, that's right.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
What does twenty say? Twenty twenty says that he is
actually working. Uh, he's with the Father, right, working with
them to confirm his word. So the one that never
leaves forsake you is always there. He told you to
do it. He says, in my name, you will do
these things. And then he says, I'm working with you.

(49:16):
So we're not doing these things. You know, it's gonna
boil down the fear and that's not of God. All right,
So chew on that looking you man.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Sure, we're at significant revelation at Gmail. Please don't email
these fine folks the things I said confront me. Our
telephone number is zero five O two six four four two.
And when your pastor and the bishop said, Christian. Can't
have a demon, have them contact me, because more than
likely it's a demon that's saying that.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Now, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 6 (49:48):
I'm sorry, repeat the photo, breck In. I think there
was a little bit of a glitch there, Pastor.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Martos seven zero five oh two six four four two.
We're as significant at gmail where significant revelation dot com.
You can put all your comments to me. I would
ask that you not trouble these five folks. I'm the
one that said it. Make sure you tell the bishop
I said it. Now I'm going to God. If you

(50:12):
would be so kind as to share your story, thank you. Sure, so,
as he meant, well, playing for brother Michael, whatever's happening.

Speaker 6 (50:21):
Yes, Brother Michael went away for some reason. I think
he might have some technological glitches. He's in the Carolina Hills.
So I'm so sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
Problem. So so two things actually. So one is my
personal deliverance testimony. Shortly after I give my heart over
to Jesus. Like I mentioned, I was dealing with anxiety
and depression. Uh, and so anyways, I ended up getting deliverance.
I went in for deliverance at the ministry that he

(50:50):
was mentioning liberation, freedom, and I was like, even though
I grew up Pentecostal, I grew up casting out demons.
But it was people rolling around on the ground, you know,
you know, like one person walked the ground versus and

(51:11):
everybody is like, get out now in Jesus' name. You know,
this is a session where you know they're praying and
systematically dismantling strongholds, you know, to cast things out. So anyways,
so I go, I get prayer. I was again dealing
with depression anxiety, and it was maybe a couple of

(51:34):
days later, I'm spending time with God and he says,
you don't need that medicine anymore. Now, I would not
just tell somebody, please listen, those those of you that
may be watching or listening if you're taking medicine. I'm not,
by any means telling you stop taking your medicine. This
was something that the Lord specifically told me to do.

(51:56):
And then I went to my psychologist at the time
and told her. Coming off of this, I told my
mom and I told, uh, yeah, I told him. I said,
I said, you know, just keep an eye on me.
I'm not going to look up any of the symptoms
or side effects of doing this. This is what I

(52:16):
believe God has told me to do. My psychologist was like,
how long have you been off? I was like a
couple of days. Now She's like, how you feel feel good?
And I just stayed off of it.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Wow, that's amazing. God is a healer Jehovah Ratha.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
So and it's not like I haven't been through some
stuff to try to put me back on it. I
had a miscarriage. It was a very hard mother. Sorry, so,
but God has carried me through all of these different things,
you know. So anyways, I praise God for all of this.
And then so that's that's a personal testimony that you.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Know, thank you for sharing.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
He's so real. He can do something that I had
been on for a very long time. So anyways, the
next one is a little bit more. Again, I'm super
I can be super analytical. I still was breaking and

(53:20):
breaking down strongholds of doubt and disbelief and questioning. And
so the Lord he knows how to get me. And
so we were called to go pray for somebody who
was basically on their deathbed with cancer. The one of

(53:45):
the family members had called us. We went in. We
prayed long. Lots of witchcraft in their history. Bloodline, the
the dad, the man that had the cancer. He was unresponsive.

(54:06):
He had had an aneurysm. I believe it was something,
and so he was basically in this situation where he
was not responsive, not responding at all, and had been
this way for at least a couple days a day
or two anyways. So we're going in and we're praying

(54:28):
for him, and all of a sudden, he starts growling.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Oh my goodness, I bet that was shocking.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
This man's in a coma and he's growling. Wasn't growling before,
He hasn't growled at all being in this coma, And
now he's growling when we're casting a demon out, when
we're calling a demon up and telling it to go. Wow,
that was for me. Okay, he's not acting, he's not

(55:04):
putting on. There's no way that he could be trying
to put on at all. This is like.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Legit, right.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
So I've seen a lot of other stuff too, just
things that are like, how did how could that do that?
How could this do this? And you know it's just
you know, there's no way nobody was touching that. Why
didn't make that noise. How does you know? But anyways,
I'm not giving the devil glory in any stretch of
the imagine, saying there was clearly a demon, and actually

(55:39):
his glory to the to Jesus Christ and the power
of his name. But there was clearly a demon that
could not They had to respond to the authority and
the power of Jesus Christ. That was that they were
being confronted with in that moment. That's it. And so
he growled it was.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Goodness, Wow, that is a wow.

Speaker 6 (56:02):
That is a wild story. Let me allow Michael to
get back in. I think he just dropped off the
call there accidentally, So sorry, Pastor Mark and Amber. Here's
a question that that bubbles up each time I talk
to annoyed to deliverance ministers as yourselves, is what would

(56:23):
you say to somebody who says, well, the scripture state
the Holy Spirit and demons can't occupy the same space.
They quote that scripture out of context. That's that states
what connection or what righteousness has light with darkness? The
Temple of God with the temple of the liile? How
can you know light dwell with darkness? But that is

(56:44):
actually referring as we know to being unequally yoked. It's
not saying that a believer cannot enter into an agreement
or a relationship with an unbeliever. It's been clistically stating
that a believer should not, and so that usually is
taken out of context. As we know, they we have

(57:06):
friends in this Christian fringe space that if they don't
believe that a Christian can have a demon they say
a Christian can be possessed. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What
they say is that a Christian can be oppressed from without,
but not within. But they say that all non believers

(57:31):
should have demons cast out of them. But once they
are a believer, they're automatically saved and they're automatically delivered
because Jesus Christ, you know, took all the curses on
himself at the cross, and they Michael knows that there
are people that are animally vehemently against Christians having any

(57:53):
type of demonization because there's a there's an inaccurate rendering
or inaccurate translation of the word demon possession, like the
word the demonic oppression from without is not even anywhere.
There's like like varying degrees of demonization or a demon
as am I is I guess the Greek word or whatever.

(58:14):
So what would you say to somebody who says, well,
a demon cannot a Christian cannot have a demon because
of that scripture that there there that the Holy Spirit
can't dwell the same place as as a demon.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
What would you say to those people?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
And there are many, okay, should I opt to entertain them?
All right? I would let them know that we're three
part beings, all right, and amen they want to listen,
you know, but if they cut me off, like I said,
I'll just say okay, And the Bible says have a defense,

(58:53):
so I you know, I said, I'm ready to defend,
but I won't go back and forth for that because
the enemy would try to distract and you know that's
not it. So your spirit is sealed to the day
of redemption with Jesus right with these these the monic oppressors,

(59:13):
they can enter into your soul, your mind, willing emotions,
or to your body. That's why people are getting sick,
you know, That's why. That's how people get sick. So
they took the time to listen. I would kind of
break that down, you know, that's it. And I mean
I've been on a podcasts where, you know, people call
and they want to argue, and when the senior lady said,

(59:36):
Christian can't have it, I'm sorry, mister, Christian can't have
a demon? I said, well, man, you understand that Jesus
had twelve disciples. Of course I know that, all right.
The Bible gives an example of the devil infiltrating two
of them. All right, okay, so this is the people
that rode with Jesus, just imatine, imagine your friend, family

(59:58):
and associates, you know. And she says, well, that's because
they didn't have the Holy Spirit, said, ma'am, why would
they need the Holy Spirit? And Jesus was right there
where they could touch them. But if you're if you're
willing to receive, I will take the time, you know,
to explod and amber. I met a guy last week.
He's no longer a believer, but he was a believer

(01:00:20):
for many, many years, decades. He knows the scriptures inside out,
upside down. He can read them backwards, he can quote right. Uh.
But what happens, you know when we read everybody listening,
we read the Bible. We have to understand that the
Bible is a collection of supernatural documentation. So if it's

(01:00:44):
supernatural documents, why would we use our carnal mind to
read the Bible. We want the Holy Spirit to read
it for us and then you know, uh, share with
us what he wants to learn, teach us. I think
interpret the Bible. Excuse me, you know, at just different levels.

(01:01:06):
That's you know, we want to get significant revelation, and
that's the key. So the key is to continue to
study to get closer to him, and then you become
more closely to his understanding of what these scriptures are
actually mean. You can read the Bible all day, all right,
but the the words have to get off the page

(01:01:30):
into your heart. The Bible says, be ye doers of
the word. And if what we say around here is
don't talk about it, be about it. This is this
is this is it. God is with us. The Bible said,
He'll never leave it, forsake you. Right. So these miracles
that we we continuously see is simply because we believe
in him, not in us, Okay, Amber, Uh, Jerlyn and

(01:01:59):
Michael and myself we're limited, right, but he's limitless. Son.
Believe in him, and these things you will see if
you just believe in him. See I get it. Like
I said, the actual broken bones heal blind people, seeing,

(01:02:21):
deaf people hearing. We pray for people that don't have hearings,
don't have ear drums.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
In they here, Yes, thank God, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
And for the attackers. You know, no man can heal
some anyone. I agree, not one time did we ever
claim to heal anybody. What we do and everybody in
this church, what we're allowed to see, we get a
front row seat to his miracles. We're limiting limited's limited.
Believe in him. John fourteen twelve. The works I do,

(01:02:55):
you will do also, and greater works you would do
because I go to the fire. This is Jesus, the
one that never lied to you. The Bible says is
impossible for God to lie. The Bible says he'll never
leave forsake you. He said, the works that I do,
you will do also, and greater works. This is what
Jesus said. So based on that, if Jesus walked on water,

(01:03:17):
I should be able to run, not because I said so,
because he said so. And so these older people, these
older saints that's been through some things, you know, we
would teach them I mean, we would hear them say
when I was in church, pray his word back to them.
What that means is for the men and women of
God's that's that's watching and listening and learning. If God

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said it, if Jesus said it, then he says it,
it's not going to change. So as an investigator, right
there's precedent in these cases. So what we use the Bible.
The Bible is documented, President, biblical President. Under Jesus, what
you said, you said, you said you you said that

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your will will be done on earth as it is
in heaven. There's no cancer in heaven. There's no migraine,
there's no fibroids in heaven. In the name of Jesus,
you said, we're here. You said, when two and more
touching degree in the mist, you said, ask anything in
your name. So right now, Jesus, we're asking that this
woman is delivered from Covid right now, in the name

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of Jesus. Covid. I command you pumping out right now,
in the name of Jesus. Believe it. He said it.
Believe it's that simple. Obey God. His word is the
final word, and see what happened. Religion complicates God's word,
religion colus, God's word. It's simple obey him and he's

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going to keep his word. If I ask each and
every one of you, has he ever lied to you?
All say? And I say, who's done a better job
running your life? You or him? And every single person? Right? Therefore,
the best that you can do is be an assistant
manager in your own life and in this church. In

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this church you hear, you know always these pastors and
their flocks and this that no, these are God's people.
The best I can do is be an assistance shepherd.
That's it. That's all I hope, and I work toward that. Okay.
The Bible says that David was a man after God's
own heart, and people kind of exactly what that means.

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What that means, The Bible says, uh, no one inquired
of the Lord more than David did. Right, So after
his own heart means I'm pursuing his thoughts on things
before these decisions I go to them. That's what David did.
Put him in every aspect of your life. Study learn right,

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Learn to hear his voice, hear him say go right
when everything said go left, but he says go right.
You then you go right, and understand for those people
that's looking at those doors that are shut that need
to be open, right, is fear that's keeping those Dutch
those doors shut. The fear of writing that book, the
failure to fear of success, the fear of what if

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this that, what if my bills don't get paid? No, No,
the Bible says he safety. That means if he's on
this side of the door, he'll be on the other
side of the door. Just trust him, and men trust up.
So praise God. But Man of God, I know we've
getten close to the to the time, but you'd ask.

Speaker 7 (01:06:36):
Well, breach, Man of God. This is great, so good.
I don't want to talk over you at all, but.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
I want to tell you one example of something that
I saw, you know, doing Deliverance. And I've seen a lot,
but this one. So I was training and the guy
I was training with it was like a zoom and
I was in Georgia and he was in Mississippi. He's like, man,
tell me whatever you see and I would just text
him while here, minister, I'm still training and learning. And

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the best way to describe it the movie, the Marvel
movie I Forget the lady's name the term blue anyway,
it's one of the Marvel characters.

Speaker 6 (01:07:18):
Oh, I know who you're talking about, Raven.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
I think, yeah, yes, I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:07:26):
I'm not that nerdy.

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
I know exactly who you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
She could look at I don't think it's right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
I think it is all right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Anyway. She can look at someone that she could turn into.

Speaker 6 (01:07:38):
Them, right, she can shift, she can morph.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
So I'm watching I'm watching him minister to this lady,
and all of a sudden, the best way I can
explain it, right here, her hair. She's like a blond lady,
but her hair is going like this, she turns completely
hair all over her body and then her face.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Oh my gosh. And I go, uh what, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Sectim and I say, man, I see it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Yetti, Oh my gosh, And.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
He goes, Yetti, Spirit, if you're there, get up. And
that little girl like five foot two, one hundred and
twenty pounds, she all of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
She goes, WHOA saw that? Spirit?

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
I saw that in spirit. We've seen a lot of yeah,
some sugar ms.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
And he came back and he told me about this
vision that he had and I was like, so, did
you see it like with your eyeballs or you know,
cause again I'm like super analytical. I want to know
did you see it with your eyeballs or did you
see it in your spirit spirit, like through your mind?
And he said I saw it with my eyes and

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I was like, wow, Wow did he call it that
open vision?

Speaker 6 (01:08:59):
That's definitely strange o'clock right there. Wow, that is very freaky.
I imagine that the Lord gives you peace and courage
because honestly, if I were to see half the stuff
that you all have seen, I would I don't know
what I would do. I haven't been through a I have,
you know, prayed for somebody to be delivered. But they

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didn't like manifest per se.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:09:24):
It was just that they said that they felt lighter,
they felt better, blah blah blah. But it wasn't like
a dramatic you know where their you know, head spinning
and vomiting or whatever. You know, Wow, that's interesting. There
is something that I wanted to touch on. I know it
was Michael's turned ask a question, but this is a
burning question I've wanted to ask us since I saw
that wonderful since I saw that wonderful video with you

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and Jennifer Magnashy with Deep Believer. I loved your journey
to the Texas school and how you prayed with the
children who had their who witnessed their their classmates getting
murdered by the gunman. Yes, yes, could you tell us

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about that. I don't know if Michael is familiar with
this story.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
I don't think he is. I think he.

Speaker 6 (01:10:15):
I don't know if you were able to watch any
of the videos. Okay, probably not, but sorry, he's got
I just kind of sprang this on him like a
couple of days ago. Like, by the way, I want
to remind you that we're interviewing pastor Mark and Embert
here watched these videos, you know, so I'm not sure
if we got around to it, but I'm very familiar
with the story, and I loved the fact that you
prayed with these children and they were taken to the

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Third Heaven and they encountered their fellow classmates that were
that were killed by this government.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Can you tell us about this, please?

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Absolutely so. In our deliverance sessions, there are many times
that people will get Third Heaven encounters. Paul talks about
it the Second Corinthians twelve two. Again. Now, I grew
up Baptists, and I don't know any it is, you know.
I started going to see there's a pastor called Jay Bartlett,

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don't know if you know him, and we will go yeah,
his meetings, and I would see this happen. I was like, wow,
that is amazing. That is amazing. And the difference session
someone else pray for somebody and they go to the
Third Heaven. I'm like, this is just incredible. So just
learning and seeking the Holy Spirit that I had the

(01:11:27):
opportunity again to see his miracle. He does it. So
I'm praying for people and they have these Third Heaven encounters. Right.
So in May of twenty twenty three, twenty twenty two,
is when it occurred. May Have twenty twenty two has occurred.
This day the massacre and Michael, this is rob Elementary Uvalde, Texas.

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The eighteen year old young man went in. He killed
nineteen students and two teachers.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Right, so tragic.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
After that it occurred within a month or two, I'm
now ministering the people right zooms and in person, and
they're going to heaven and they're seeing these kids. Yeah,
so it's like I'm ministering the people in Hawaii, they're
seeing the kids. I'm ministering the people in Georgia, in Florida,
that Tennessee, you know what I mean. And so I

(01:12:22):
remember going to Ambro, I said, Ambro, I think we
need to go to Uvality, Texas. I said, people keep
seeing these uh in your children. I don't even believing
in the Third Heaven at that time. Thank you for being.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
For those listening.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Lovely.

Speaker 6 (01:12:41):
Ever kind of did the the so so sort of
hand side.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Grew up believing God. I grew up believing the Third Heaven.
Encounters happened to heavenly encounters happened a certain way. You
were either again, grew up Pentecostal. It was super dramatic.
You're either going to be falled out on the floor
in the Holy Spirit or an unresponsive or it's going

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to be in a dream, or you almost died, or
you did.

Speaker 6 (01:13:12):
Die, right right, that's even the conditions.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
So I did. I wasn't expecting to happen. You know,
when somebody was just praying with somebody, I.

Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
Thought, sure, sure that's understandable.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
But absolutely but then it just but then Mark nine
clicked Mark Night twenty three says all things are possible,
and then he said greater works. We'll see. That's it.
That's the key. We move back to scripture, all right
for the people like third Heaven, go to Genesis one
in the beginning, God create the heavens and the earth,

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all right, all talks about it in second Corinthing twelve two.
So read your work. So, uh, people start having these
encounters I mentioned in Amber. She's probably like whatever at
that time, She's like, this is all in your mind.
So if you guys, are you realize is that the

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average tenure for a pastor is between three and five right?

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
I did not know that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Yes, so we have to you know, the the devil's
conspiracy on that. And part of what happens is pastors
they just they they wear it down right there, worn out,
and then they quit the ministry, which the enemy wants
for a lot of pastors, right right to do. And

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I think for the pastors and the leaders that be
watching this, you know, first of all, you have to
learn and say no, have to have boundaries, right, but
also you have to take some time away, all right,
because if I'm ministering the people and I'm you know,
listening to witches, and witches are like, I'm the one
that had her grandfather do that to her at three

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years old, or I'm the one that caused this, or
I you know, cause the cancer. You're hearing this stuff
all day long, right, you know. Uh, it can wear
you down if you don't separate, if you don't you know,
leave it at the at the office, as they say, right,
turn it over to Jesus right outside of my prayer. Jesus,

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you got this. I'm gonna pray. I'm gonna watch you work.
Have that mentality. But then also just take some time.
Right in fact, uh, today starts my hiatus for a week.
You know, I'll take a week off, you know, and
so you know, to to collect myself. So Amber and
I now in Florida on a hiatus, taking a break,

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and the Holy Spirit brings up u Valdi again, and
I go, I remember going, I don't even know she
wasn't round. This is me just talking to the spirit.
I don't even know who Yuvaldy is. But if you
tell me to go, I'm gonna go. So I remember
looking at you, you know, Uvaldi on the map. Right,
you gotta you have to fly into San Antonio and

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drive down to Uvaldi said, all right, drive.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
A san Antonio to San Antonio.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Yeah, fly to San Antonio. Excuse me, and thank you,
sugar mother, my pleasure, all right. And so I'm now
checking the flights, right, and I'm rather frugal, all right,
and I find like round trip tickets for like fifty
six dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Wow, that's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Obviously you want us to go to San Antonio. So
but it's on a particular date. So I buy the
tickets and we're going in on May twenty third, and
I goes, wow, that to myself, that's got to be
pretty close to that date. So of course, I, you know,
go on Google and the massacre actually happened on May

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twenty fourth. I knew this was a line by the
Holy Spirit, all right. So after we get the tickets,
you know, several of us go to the church. We're
all set to go. I feel like we're being led
by the Holy Spirit to go in early. So we
have a church, you know, a text group, and I'll
reach out. Nobody can go but Amber, and so she

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and I going. Now we're in town on April eleventh,
and we're coming back April thirteen, but we're only in
Uvaldi one day. That's April twelfth. Like, we get in
that night of April eleventh, and we got to fly
out that morning April thirteen. So we get in that night,
we go to a diner. We see a lady with

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a back brace on, you know, she had a back
We pray for her. God heals her, He improves her eyesight.
So that's how it started. We're in town. We go
to the airbnb. The next morning. There's like a coalition,
pastor's coalition because of the strategy tragedy. Excuse me, there

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are a number of pastors from different denominations that get
together once a month. Holy Spirit had allowing me to
speak to the president. He said, well, you can come
talk to everybody. We're in town for one day, all right.
We go in give the message to this group. We
leave there. We go over to the house of the

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teacher who lost a lot of students, right, and he
said for a dream. He didn't get a dream, but
as we pray for him in his living room, he
gets caught up to the third heaven.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
He sees all.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
He breaks down in tears. My bride breaks down in tears. Yes,
I too. It was powerful, lazy.

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
He could hear their feet coming to him, coming on
the grass. He could hear the pitter powder of their feet.
It was it was beautiful, It really was beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Nick came and gave him a group heare and all
that type of stuff, and he met Jesus and hung
out and saw where they go to school up there
and all this good stuff. And so we leave there
and again April twelfth. We're in time for one day.
I when everybody get this, we leave there. Now we
had a track down a survivor group, some of the

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kids from room one twelve, all right, So he killed
all the kids that were remaining in room one eleven
night forget how many there, and then he went over
to it was eleven, I'm sorry, eleven in room one eleven,
that's right. And then he went to one twelve. You know.
He murdered eight kids there. But we were able to

(01:19:49):
minister to a survivors group in room one twelve, right, wow,
And every single one of them had this experience. Every
single one of them got caught up to God. One
of theirs, one of the young mens. He still has
willing fragments in his body today. Right. His sister was

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watching this and she said, well, pray for me too.
She had graduated from uh elementary school where she was
in middle school. But she gets caught up to the
third heaven where she sees her grandmother goes to her
mansion and God that we have some of those testimonies
on our website, you know, the ones that the parents
allowed us to to share them. But to God be

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the glory awesome. Now they go to heaven. There's no
willet wounds, nobody's in pain, you know, they get a
chance to see that. And so then now we come
back and have the meeting of Now we come back
in May. We actually have the meeting and as you know,
you know these small towns, you know, they don't have malls,

(01:20:56):
but Walmarts like the malls for the county. So our
team is in Walmart handing out you know, flyers to
our meeting, and Amber and I are heading toward the
door and all of a sudden, the Holy Spirit sends
me back and we go back two aisles, and then
we go down this way right, and I remembers turning

(01:21:17):
the corner of ambergoes feel the Holy Spirit. God, it's
so good. We walk up we did probably halfway pray
a quarter of the way down. Excuse me. We walk
up to this lady, this is one of the Holy
Spirit focus. When we get there, she has a badge
of one of the children on her shirt, and I go,

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because I've been studying, you know, this story, so I
know her her name is X And she goes, yes,
that's my baby, that's my granddaughter.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
Wow. That's amazing.

Speaker 7 (01:21:48):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
Yeah, it's amazing. So now because I have the testimonies
in my phone of the other children, right, I show her,
I tell her who we are, and I show her
these children in the uh in the videos where she
recognizes them, of course. And so she comes to the meeting,

(01:22:10):
and when she's at the meeting, she now has UH
she now has a third heaven encounter where she sees
her granddaughter in these her mansion, and it's just it's
just phenomenal, life changing. Uh yeah, so that's it's awesome. Yeah.

(01:22:31):
So it was the course, it was over the course
of several days, right, and several different individuals. This is
one of the videos I showed her. Tell us about
that's what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
And I got your meet my cousin and my friends
and my teachers, and we were playing so far.

Speaker 8 (01:22:53):
So it went on that in fact, one of the
kids I actually on doctor the doctor field showed telling
about the tragedy, and we had the opportunity to uh
minige the serve.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
She got to the third caught up to the third heaven.
They all met Jesus, saw their teachers. They loved on them,
they hugged on them, they hung out with them, They
went to their mansions. I understand now, yes, of many
people over the course of several days. Now, this woman,
the grandma, went there and she saw her granddaughter, saw

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her mansion, she saw audience. Awesome they have for a group, hugged,
she saw the teachers, she met Jesus. Jesus told her
I'm taking care of her and these people.

Speaker 6 (01:23:39):
That touches my heart so much. I love that that
that's an amazing ministry that you have. That it really
heals their their soul, their hearts, and it really.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Is just so comforting.

Speaker 6 (01:23:51):
I would imagine for them to know that their their
fellow classmates are in heaven with Jesus, that that is
so awesome praise.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
What would you what would you say?

Speaker 6 (01:24:03):
Pastors, market amber to somebody who might say, well, that's
talking to the dead or whatever, you know, and that's
forbidden in scripture and whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:24:14):
What they're referring to, yes, is forbidden. Like if you
go to a psychic or medium and try to do
seances to talk to the dead, you know, So what
would you say to those people?

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Thank you? Because that again, if they asked, I'll teach them.
They make up their mind, you know. Yes, So understanding now,
necromancy is an abomination that is dead. Okay. So these uh,
these psychics and these mediums and the ones with the
crystal balls, they're telling you that you're speaking to your
old uncle Frank. You are not speaking to your.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Old uncle Frank, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
You, ma'am, are hearing from a familiar spirit, which is
a dean.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Remember that they're conjuring the spirit is what it is
that's coming down a couple wherever it's from, all right.
What Jesus is doing and what Paul is talking about,
it is being caught up to the third Heaven, all right.
So that would say that we have to understand that
one of the basic foundations of Christianity and Catholicism is

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life after death. Do we all agree? You know, if
someone died and they were saved, they were born again,
then we believe that they will be in heaven. So
it will make sense that when we go, if God
gives us a vision, a holy spirit gives us a
vision of heaven, that we would see them in heaven. Yes, right, yes,

(01:25:39):
and so yeah, so that that's that's apples and oranges.
And if they take the to us, if they and
we have people like we explained it to them, they
still make up their mind. Okay, well I'm not and
I'm not saying that in an arrogant way. It's like
I don't want to. I don't argue about this stuff
because God allows me to see it. Yesterday there was

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somebody I minister her to. This is a phenomenon that
has happened many times, a miracle that has happened many times.
The people will go to heaven and they will see
the children that they aborted. They will meet them. And
this lady actually met her daughter that she abort it
and she just broke out. We were all in tears. Man.

(01:26:23):
We see this type of stuff and it's amazing because
there's so much guilt. Michael jeraldin there's so much guilt
with abortions from abortion, especially once people get saved and
they realize what they've done, and they carry that guilt.
And I'm talking about like people that's you know, fifty
five years old, and they did it when they were sixteen,

(01:26:43):
or they did with the eighteen right, they've been carrying
that guilt. So when the Lord allows such a miracle,
always ask them, say ask your son, ask your daughter
if they're mad at you, ask Jesus if he's upset,
he's forgiven you. And that's it. And it does allow foreclosure.

(01:27:06):
And so my bride, what what happened? I would come
home once I knew that she was doubting these these
uh you know, these experiences. I would come home and
be like, that's number seventeen, that's number twenty three, say
that to it. That's number thirty two.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
That's amazing, that's thirty five.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
And I said, uh, you know, two of the ladies
at church now have seen your baby and heaven because
we you know, we have a child that we miscarried, right,
and that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
And they and and two of the people actually met
our baby. Maybe it was two at that time, but
another person did, right, And so I remember talking to
Amber about it, and we, like I said, we were
in We were in Maui. And as you know, Michael, know,
the time difference is so that you have to adjust

(01:28:03):
it to it when you go out there. So in
the middle day, the middle of the day, I would
take a nap. So I remember talking to her about this,
and I went to take a nap, and then she
began to pray, come on, sugar muffin.

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
Oh yeah, so I've been praying this because he was.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
He was.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
Irritating me.

Speaker 6 (01:28:24):
Hey, married couples are all alike, no matter what we
perceived them.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
You know, I totally understand.

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
I was motivating her getting motivated.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
He's getting highly motivated and motivated.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
Yes, anyways, and so I was like but but at
the same time, I was like, God, let me not
defend what I don't know. Let me not defend. So
this is how I perceived it, that it has to
be this way. Like I told you guys before, you know,
they got to be you know, asleep. It has to

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happen in a dream, they have to be plain in
the spirit or a near death experience or dead, like
that's it, you know. But then I was like, but
why why do I believe that way? That's only because
that's what I've seen, and that's only because that's what
I've experienced or heard, So why can't it be something else?

(01:29:25):
And if I'm limiting God, So I prayed that prayer, God,
let me not defend what I don't know, let me know.
And I've had to tell my heart because there was
a lot of healing that had to happen from that miscarriage,
you know, continued healing, you know, when anytime that you
lose like there's a need for healing, and especially of

(01:29:52):
a child, you know. So I was also telling, like
speaking to my heart as a part of healing, just
like you can. If you can prophesy, then why not
prophesy to your heart? And so I would tell my heart, heart,
believe heart, believe heart, believe in anyways. That that was

(01:30:15):
in preparation to this. Then prayer that happened that day,
which was, Lord, let me not defend what I don't know.
And so then came back and my husband told me
to come see him once he had woken up, that
he wanted to pray together, and I thought it was
like some marital prayer, you know, like Okay, we're gonna

(01:30:35):
sit together and Lord, bless our marriage and bless our house,
and you know this kind of prayer. And no, no,
he decides to go in. What Holy Spirit does related
to this third heaven experience? And I ended up having
one and heaven. At that time, it was I believe

(01:31:05):
that God meets you and your faith, and so God
had given me just enough faith to begin to see
glimpses and see glimpses versus like some people have these
really fluid experiences. At that time, it was glimpses. But

(01:31:26):
then he's he's As time has progressed and as my
faith has grown, I've had additional experiences. And my mother
she's passed on and in heaven, and so I also
got to see her. My dad he now he had
had a heavenly encounter before where he was slain in
the spirit. Those were one of those ones that I

(01:31:47):
believed growing up, you know, because Daddy was out on
the floor. It took several men to move him into
the car, and he didn't wake up the whole car
ride home, and then they had moved him into the
house like he had he was out stone cold, right,
and so he had had these this heavenly encounter before.
But then he got to see my mom on the

(01:32:08):
day that she was buried. We're coming up on a
year now, so it's.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Since sorry she passed.

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
Thank you. She's an amazing woman of God. But he
got to see her in heaven.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Are amen, Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
And here's the thing. See, my mom had a she
had suffered for ten plus years where she she had
diabetes that had taken the rest of her vision, had
caused her to where she had heart attack. She had
had I believe a stroke as well. He had was

(01:32:45):
on a pacemaker, she was on a breathing machine. She
had she was on dialysis and at the very end
they had to take her legs and so for ten
years ten but God, he's so faithful one during the

(01:33:08):
last part of her life. And I don't know if
you guys believe in this, but if you guys believe
in heaven and hell and demons and all that stuff,
then I believe that she'll believe in speaking in tongues
as well. And she's we do for like non stop.
While the nurses and the doctors were thinking that she

(01:33:29):
was out of it. She was speaking in tongues, she
was prayer.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
God stop.

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
It just blows my mind. And I believe that those
prayers in my family is living off those prayers. But
then my dad got to see her in heaven with
her legs. Well that's beautiful, yes, And so it's just
God is so faithful. He's so good. You know, we
don't understand why things happen the way they happened. I

(01:33:56):
didn't understand why I even struggled to so much because
I with believing, you know, I didn't understand like I
wanted to believe, but yet there were things that were
hindering me from believing. But God shape he has a
plan for everything. And he's even now you know, being
on your show and being able to share. Yeah, I

(01:34:18):
even struggled with it, you know, and here I am
find about it right now. It's not something that I
able to do out of my own self. But God,
he's so faithful, because yes, he meets us in our faith.
But I will say this too, when we don't have faith, somehow,
his grace and mercy reaches.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Out to us.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Amen, Amen, Amen, And.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
He provides for us even when we're struggling and so
I just praise God.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
And I'll awesome, praise God.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
Look, thank you for sharing picture.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
Of her dad. But you know what, he didn't give
me permission to share anyway. So I put the phone down.
But the video I showed you, the mom gave me
permission to show that. But her dad, oh sure. It
was so amazing because there's what I'm saying, names, but
she has some relatives they may not necessarily believe. And
so we were all sitting around after the funeral, you know,

(01:35:12):
they're looking through pictures and this that and the you
know what people do. And so the Holy Spirit, uh,
you know, had me call him out, and he and
I just went on the porch. And so the parents,
your parents had been fifty three years. Yeah, okay, so
you guys can imagine if they if you've been with
somebody for fifty three years, you know that's your best friend.

(01:35:34):
You can finish their sentences, right. But they hadn't spoken
to each other in a week now. Because she's going
on to heaven. He's here. So if you can imagine
he's sitting on his porch and he's seeing his wife.
He can't get a word in. It was amazing. He's like,

(01:35:54):
is that rights? It was amazing, right, he was just
out there just catching up. She introduced Totors, told him,
you know, she met Peter and a lot of people
that they you know, they came up with that had passed.
She's just cutting them up, catching them up to date.
So if you can imagine as you and I are

(01:36:15):
talking and I'm not even getting like I'm talking to Michael,
but he wants to say something, but I'm Michael, And
so he was like, yeah, oh is that right? Oh
you saw them? How are they right? And so now
I called one of the siblings.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
I said, look at that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
How you explain that? Persu She said he couldn't explain it.
I said, you believe in it. There it is right.
And so now the Holy Spirit will give me flashes
of what these what people see. Okay, I might not
see that tou visit, as my bride just mentioned, but
I will get flashes. So I remember seeing his wife

(01:36:49):
standing up with her new legs. Right now, when people
are in heaven, they're not you know, they're not the
same presentation that they were when they passed. All right,
a lot of times they're much younger. They're always in
good hill right, yes, standing up, but she's looking over
her shoulder, looking at him, looking at her new legs,

(01:37:12):
At which time I was like, it's time to excuse
myself because.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
I was like, okay, this is a So I go
in and I'm telling them, you know what's happening. He's
out there for forty minutes talking to his wife. As
soon as he walks in, he tells him and then
he goes and I saw her on her legs, her legs,
and what she did? He say, hotie? It was it
was some term like that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Like she was, Oh, that's wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
I saw right, And now they're just you know, they're
just blown away. And so God. Then then a few
months ago he comes to the house and so the
same thing happened. He's down on our couch. We pray
for him. He caught up to the third heaven. He's
talking her. I'm in my office upstairs. This guy is
is cracking up, laughing. So I go down a few
times and check on him. He's literally just talking to

(01:38:04):
his wife. So that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
One thing that you know, God reminded me of about that. Hey,
you guys are talking to the dead now. In the beginning,
you know, so many people were saying this, I'm like,
Holy Spirit them talking to the dead, and this is
what I got. Do they look dead to you?

Speaker 4 (01:38:22):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
It's life after death. Yes, life after death. This is
is life after death. This is the of our belief system.
So why would I let man talk me out of
this miracle that I'm seeing And it's changing people's lives.

Speaker 6 (01:38:42):
Yes, And the end result is that they have a
stronger relationship with Jesus. And that's the fruit right there.
Whereas if somebody is dwelt with you know, Aunt Marge
or whatever, you know, but it's really a demon, uh,
then you know they're going to believe that you know

(01:39:02):
something false. You know that that you know that their
aunt or uncle or mom or dad can dwell another
person and and there there isn't to heaven and there
isn't to hell, and and you just kind of hang
around in this sort.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Of suburgatory or a purgatory.

Speaker 6 (01:39:17):
So I think I mean that, I think that's one
of the main reasons why the Lord doesn't want us
to seek psychics and mediums is that, you know, the
first of all, that that their their demons disguising themselves
as you're you're dead, so and so you're departed love.
And then and then secondly, uh, that it gives into

(01:39:41):
this lie that you know that a person doesn't go
to heaven or help, but that they just kind of
hang around the earth.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
So I think those those are the two main reasons.

Speaker 6 (01:39:49):
I think the Lord, you know, doesn't want us to seek,
you know, somebody that is channeling you know, a person
or so channeling a quote unquote person because it's a demon,
you know. But these people that you're that you're praying with,
and they're having experiences with you know, self included, uh,
are having experiences you know, with with the with Jesus

(01:40:10):
and and the these departed loved ones in heaven. I
mean that's and the result is a strong relationship with Christ,
whereas the other thing that we talked about, they they
don't have they don't have any strong relationship with Christ.
They're just obsessed with, you know, whatever the demon says.

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
And what's the definition of necromancy, So I've pulled it up.
It's the supposed practice of communicating with the dead, especially
in order to predict the future. And it says sorcery
or black magic in general. So we know that if
we're asking the Holy Spirit something, it's not black magic,

(01:40:52):
it's right, see the Holy Spirit, it's asking God too. Yes,
I'm not trying to predict the future at all. These
are getting healed because they're seeing their loved one in heaven,
healed in whole. So I just right right different things.
And for sure, unfortunately again you know, religion can get

(01:41:17):
in the way and religion past experiences what they thought
they were taught, you know, but they didn't have the
full details. And so I would just encourage that person
to not defend the things that they don't know. Do
you really know that you know what the definition of
necromancy was? Person who questions this, you know, like understand

(01:41:41):
before you just say it?

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
No, right right, absolutely, we're on the front line.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
So we are attacked for everything. It's no big deal.
But I'll tell you what. The biggest thing that we're
attacked is that we have female pastors. You these people
lose their mind for that today. You know, I don't
think keep telling them how many we have over and
over again.

Speaker 7 (01:42:07):
Because I'm miggravating the same here.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
Because it doesn't stop over here. And you know, if again,
if they would take the time, it's a pastor, mark, Uh,
why do you have female pastors? If the Bible says this,
if they take the time rather than attack us, then
I would break it down to them. But you know,
if not, like, it doesn't matter what you think. We're

(01:42:32):
only going to do what Jesus says. Do You're the
one that's getting at is your blood change? It's not
changing anything over here.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (01:42:41):
There's many instances of prophetesces uh that God appoints apostles, prophets,
teachers and evangelists that are both men and women. So
I don't know why people have a hard time with
women being you know any of those.

Speaker 7 (01:42:57):
Wait, wait, wait, shut down, excuse me. You're a woman.
You're not allowed to preach the I'm the past I'm
the man. Let me tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
Sure, I know you is being silly. So awesome, North Carolina.

Speaker 7 (01:43:14):
But this was awesome. Yeah, it's been over two hours.
Thank you so much. This was an amazing talk, and
I wish we could do five hours. Uh, there's there's
a lot to discuss. Miraculously again, I will I will
say that I met deliverance ministries on the street today

(01:43:35):
in North Carolina and Waynesville, and they were like, do
you know anything about deliverance to Mike, We're about to
interview two Deliverance pastors tonight on Strange o'clock cross Files.
So this is pretty awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:43:49):
Yes, definitely, We're going to have everything you said about
how to get a hold of you, your website, your email,
your phone number in the show notes as they as
they listen into the show, they can look into the
show notes and contact you and and people can feel
free to contact us if they would like to be

(01:44:09):
a guest on the show in the future or have
any questions or comments now. If you have any questions
or specific questions or comments about to Pastor Market Mber Amber,
Ember Amber, please email them and you'll you'll be able
to look that up. Folks, you know in the show notes.
So awesome, awesome, Well, uh, Pastor Market Amber are what

(01:44:32):
are what are your social media sites? Are you on Facebook, Twitter,
Instagram or mainly on Facebook, Facebook YouTube and Instagram, Facebook
YouTube and Instagram?

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
Awesome?

Speaker 4 (01:44:44):
Okay, great yet TikTok, but that may happen one day,
so we'll just see. But anyways, and it's great significant revelation, so.

Speaker 6 (01:44:54):
Significant Revelation Significant Revelation. Awesome, great, well, it was a
pleasure and honor having you both here. Is there a
last message you want to share with our listeners.

Speaker 4 (01:45:07):
Well, I was going to say if people want to
book an appointment, because people wonder need to do this
in person, Nope, you can do it online via zoom.
So we have on our website Significant Revelation dot com.
They can go to the online appointments or book online.

(01:45:27):
It's one one of those two words. But where they
can book it, it's we got step by step instructions.
There's also some deliverance prayers that they can go through
ahead of time. If you are seeking deliverance in any
in any way, just reach out to us. We'd be
happy to help and we do it free of charge.

Speaker 2 (01:45:47):
So awesome, Well, great man, Well thank you Michael.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
Have you been thinking about writing a book?

Speaker 7 (01:45:54):
Sir, Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Okay, very much. Okay, I'm hearing the Lord h say,
go forth with that. It's going to become h It's
going to be a very smooth for you. Any obstacles
you think you're gonna have, you're not gonna have. And
when you sit down, when you when you make the
time to write the book. It's going to come very
very freely to you. It's going to be uh, it's

(01:46:22):
gonna be a lot bigger than you anticipated. Okay, there's awesome.
There's another book after that one.

Speaker 7 (01:46:31):
Okay, I received that, brother sir, and thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
That's great. That's an excellent word. Thank you so much
for that.

Speaker 7 (01:46:39):
Okay, I I gotta go start that right now. So yeah,
that was.

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
Awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:46:46):
Great, Well, it was a pleasure and honor and great
talking to you both.

Speaker 7 (01:46:50):
Seriously, this is really good. This was very There was
a lot of attack leading up to this the last
few days, a lot of weird spiritual warfare stuff. So
what every guys are doing, keep doing it. And the
enemy is very threatened by your ministry. So that's a
good thing. So keep going on and where allies with you.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
Thank you, Thank you all so much for having us.

Speaker 6 (01:47:14):
Thank you so much, thank you, and thanks so much
for listening or watching the cross Falls podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
I'm your host.

Speaker 7 (01:47:20):
Jeralen Amen and I'm Michael and well.

Speaker 6 (01:47:25):
We have the pleasure to honor of interviewing pastors of
Mark and Amber with significant revelation and have a strange
and spirit filled morning afternoon or evening where wherever you
are at in the world, and may the Cross be
with you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
Bye.

Speaker 6 (01:47:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Convidad i convida, convida I

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