Transformed from Occult Darkness to the True Light of Jesus: Dawn's Story

In a gripping episode of Strange O'Clock Podcast, hosts Michael and Jeri delve into the captivating story of Dawn's transformation from the depths of occult practices, new age philosophies, and witchcraft into the illuminating embrace of Jesus Christ's divine light. Brace yourself as Dawn fearlessly shares her harrowing journey through the shadowy realms of the occult, recounting her encounters with demons and malevolent entities that once plagued her existence. Through her profound narrative, she unravels the seductive allure of forbidden knowledge and the astonishing battles fought in unseen spiritual realms. Witness the power of resilience and unwavering faith as Michael and Jeri listen intently to Dawn's account of the pivotal moment that shattered her chains, leading her out of darkness and into the transformative radiance of Jesus' love. Prepare to be captivated and challenged as Strange O'Clock Podcast explores the extraordinary power of redemption, the depths of human transformation, and the eternal battle between light and darkness. Join Michael and Jeri on this riveting episode as they navigate the delicate boundaries between the occult and salvation. Dawn's journey will leave you spellbound, contemplating the mysteries of spirituality and the profound capacity for personal transformation. Prepare to embark on an unforgettable exploration of the depths of darkness and the enduring strength found in the radiant light of Jesus' grace.

Episode Transcript

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In this episode of Strange a'clock podcast, Michael and Jerry talked to Dawn,
a former occultist, New Ager andwhich who experienced a radical transformation by the
power of God. Dawn reveals howshe grew up in a Christian home,
but rebelled against her faith and soughtafter the false promises of the New Age

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movement. She describes the terrifying encountersshe had with dimonic forces that tormented her
day and night, and how sherealized that she needed a savior. Dawn
shares how she surrendered her life toJesus Christ and how he set her free
from the bondage of sin and darkness. You will be amazed by Don's testimony

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of God's grace, love and deliverance. Don't miss this episode of Strange a
clock podcast where we explore the supernaturalrealm and the truth that sets us free.
Time is ticking away. Welcome tothe Strange o'clock Podcast with Michael and
Jerry. Join us on in anextraordinary journey into supernatural news from a Christian

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perspective. Delve into intriguing, sometimesconspiratorial topics that will captivate your imagination.
Whether you're a Christian fringe believer ora truth seeker in paranormal phenomena. This
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into the supernatural. Expand your spiritualhorizons and tune in now to the Strange

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o'clock Podcast for an extraordinary adventure.Hello everyone, and welcome. This is
Michael Masham and I'm Jerry Kozak,and you are listening to the Strange o'
clock Podcast, and you're going tohear this amazing testimony from our dear friend
Don, who we just found outis also a listener. So we welcome

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Don to share her amazing testimony.Thank you for joining us. Out of
the New Age, Out of theOccult has a plethora of blurry aka supernatural
and really spiritual warfare oriented experiences can'twait to hear her tell her story.
How are you doing, Don,I'm doing all right. I'm doing all
right? Or do this? Yeah, we've been looking for you. He

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excited too. I'm thinking I waslooking at the guests that you had and
I'm thinking, and they want totalk to me? O ye. Brian,
good there, and you're blessed withsharing your testimonial and other gifts and
parents that you have. We're excitedto have you on board for sure.
Yes, don Please tell us aboutyour testimony testimonial. How did you come

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to know the Lord and what wasyour background. I grew up in a
Christian home. I was born insouthern California, Glendora area. My parents
were going to a Zuosa Pacific WowChristian College, and that's when my dad
went to Vietnam. We had tomy mom and my little brother and I

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stayed with my grandma in National Cityand we went to church all the time.
And I was just a little kid. I was probably three or four.
But my grandma had this room whereI slept, and it was like

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it was just like a little foyer, but it was in the back part
of the house, so you'd gothrough a room and there was this open
door. There was no door thatyou could close, and it was just
this open room with a little bedin it. And that's where I slept.
But I hated sleeping there because everytime I slept there, I had
bad dreams and just terrifying I sawit. I actually saw the hand come

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up on the side of my bed, and the worst one I remember,
I had just gotten into bed andturned out the light and was settling in.
And I was scooped up out ofmy bed and pushed against this wall

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where the door opening door was likeI could see it in my peripheral I
could see my grandma's bed, butI could see this guy staying in there,
and he looked like, I don'tknow, a native or a voodoo
priest or something. My little mindwas just trying to figure out what was

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going on. And I couldn't reallymove and I couldn't scream, but somehow
I thought maybe I can sneak away, but I couldn't move, but I
knew if I did move that hewould get me. And that's that guy
was in my dreams a lot,and eventually when we moved with when my

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dad came back and we moved intoour own house, I had dreams with
that guy a lot, and Idon't remember a lot of them, but
I remember they were so terrifying,and even thinking about him now just still
makes me go, oh, thatwas so scary. I found out over
the last three just over the lastfew years, that my grandpa on my

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mom's side, who was dead,who died when my mom was ten.
But my grandpa was a thirty threedegree Mason, so he was wow up
in the Masons. And my grandmawas an Eastern Star, so she was
a wonderful. If you could pictureMissus Santa Claus, my grandma would have

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been Missus Santa Claus. She wasjust this wonderful woman. But I since
I come rededicated my self to Christ, that woman was at It was July
sixth, twenty nineteen, and I'mstarting to put the dots together as to
why this stuff happens to me sowell when I try to talk to my

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mom and dad about this kind ofstuff, and it always fascinated me.
Ghosts and I always wanted to watchthe scary movies, not the slasher movies.
They don't like never liked the slashermovies, but I like the psychological
thrillers, the ghosts where I justthose were fun for me, and vampires
were wolves, and but my inpsychics, my mom and dadd had just

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said, no, that's of thedevil, which I guess they were right,
but but that was it. Noexplanation, No, why is this
wrong? Or and more of anattitude of not only is it of the
devils, not real growing up.When I was about nine, this isn't

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the thing that I gave you guys. When I was about nine, my
parents were out, and this wasback in the oh, this was back
in the seventies. This is whenparents used to leave their nine year old
alone with their six year old andtheir three year old. They used to
go out. And my grandma calledand I answered the phone and oh,

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was your mom and dad there?No, they went out. Have them
call me and I said, canI take a message, and she said
no, just have them call meright away. I hung up, and
then my mom and dad got homeand I told him, Hey, Grandma
called and I think Aunt Fay died. And they looked at me and they
were like, grandma told you that, and they said no. So they

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called my grandma and she confirmed it, and they asked her, did you
tell don that that Fay had died? And she said no, she would
have never told me that herself.My parents and the moment were like,
well, that's weird. But thennothing was ever talked about again. It

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was just never brought up again.As I became a teenager, we had
moved to northern California and I shouldgo back when I was a little girl,
I was molested by some kids inthe neighborhood, so that kind of

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messed me up. For a longtime. It was hard for me to
make friends. We moved to northernCalifornia and I'm trying to fit in,
and everybody knew who my dad wasbecause he was the vice principal of the
junior high so everybody knew I wasmister Elliot's daughter. And then he was

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also a Plasar County Sheriff Reserve.They had a volunteer force at that time,
so I was the cops daughter andhe was preacher too, So yeah,
so I rebelled hard. I figuredthe only way that people were going
to like me is if I could. For some reason, I equated coolness

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with being really bad, and thatof course got me into drugs and still
I used to sink out of thehouse to go see scary movies that they
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to strangeclock dot com. Now goingto church. I went to church all
the time. I went to churchall the time. I was talking to
my brother about this today. Ifelt like it was a Nazarene church.

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Yeah, it was a huge church, and I never felt I don't think
I understood the concept of grace,and I remember being preached and talked about,
but it just didn't make it.Always felt like I had to earn
my Christianity and I could never bethat good. I could just never be

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that good. And I was ashamedof desires that I had and the fact
that I was interested in this psychicthing and fascinated by all these things that
they said were bad. And Ilike to smoke cigarettes and that is evil
and evince. I grew up,I move out. I've got my first

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son, or when I was pregnantwith him, I had this dream.
I'm laying in my bed and thisguy comes in and he's all dark and
he looks like he's wearing a hoodiewith the hood up and I can't see
his face, but it's like agray hoodie. And he's coming after me,

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and I could see my room.I could see my room. Everything
was normal, and I'm just chasingme around and trying to get me and
trying to get to the door.And there's some laundry in front of my
door for some reason, and Iget back against the door and I'm throwing
laundry at him. I don't know, but I was scared to death.

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I knew that this guy got ahold of me. It was done.
And I woke up. I'm layingon my side and I'm looking and that
guy was right there looking back atme. But it was because I could
see my dresser on the other sideof him, so was he threw it
away. But I was so scaredI could see it and I'm closing my

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eyes. I'm going this is justa hangover from the dream. And closing
my eyes and well, and Ididn't want to move. I didn't want
to move because I was afraid i'dget because I didn't know. So I
just started praying, and I prayed, and Lord, please in your name
take this away. It didn't goaway. I think I finally fell asleep.

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Yeah, I don't Maybe you fallasleep with some guys standing right there,
right, I don't know. MaybeGod just put me to sleep.
I don't know. I was praying. I was scared to death. That
couldn't move. It was just theI still don't even know what that was
about. That was in Yucka Valley, California. And I don't know if
you know anything about Yuka Valley,but there is a lot of occult stuff

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that goes on there. It's inthe Mohave Desert. There's a ton of
occult stuff heard. There's church.It's a church. It's like the metaphysical
place Shirley McLean hung out there.Oh really wow. Yeah, But there's
a lot of that. There's alot of Satanism and occult stuff. Because

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there's nothing but desert, you cando a lot of things. There's a
lot of manufacturing of myth as well, because if your meth lab blows up,
it won't there's nothing else there.I got married when my oldest son
was about four months old, andwe got caught up in the culture of

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the area and we were smoking pot, we were doing maths, and he
go to work and I had We'dget up in the morning and he'd go
to work, and I'd go backto bed while my son was still asleep,
and I'd lay there, not sleepwhere you're asleep, but you're still
aware of your surroundings. Oh yes, definitely. Yeah. So I could

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hear somebody walking in and I knewit wasn't my son because it sounded like
a grown person. And I'm layingthere and I feel the depression on the
bed and something lay next to me. It wasn't solid, like a real

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body, but it was just feellike something's there. And again that fear
I couldn't move. That happened alot. That happened a lot after my
husband left. And sometimes I'd belaying there and I could feel a cat
like walking over my bed and Ididn't have a cat. Yeah cat,

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you know how in your friends aroundyour bed was like this? That's it
was the strangest thing. We movedto Idaho, and because my first husband
was extremely abusive and wouldn't let mebe, wouldn't let me really out of
the house or to have friends,I could only go with him and I

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had to hang out with him whenhis friends came over and they played dungeons
and dragons. So I learned toplay that just so I had something to
do and people to talk to.And I really got into it, and
I'd make these characters that were gypsiesthat read crystal balls their witches, and

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so I started to get really curiousbecause I had always been curious. And
one of his friends got me adecatorial cards and the books and books about
it, and some witchcraft books,and I got pretty good with the cards.
And their friends used to come overand have me do readings for them

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and help them avoid getting busted bythe cops. Yeah, sorry, world,
I don't do that anymore. AndI was starting to get into witchcraft
and I'm going through these books,and one of the books he opened it

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up and it said you need tocompletely if you're a Christian, you need
to completely reject God. And theway people do this is to say the
Lord's prayer backwards and I can't doit because no matter what I knew,
God was God. I knew Godwas God and that isn't going to change.

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That never changed. God is God. I think I really wanted to
do it because I felt so weakand I didn't have any control over my
life, and I felt like ifI had that I would have some it
would empower me, it would giveme some control over my life. And

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that's why I was seeking it out. My husband and I split up because
of the abuse, and I endedup having a nervous breakdown and things were
talking to me and it was reallyoverwhelming, and yeah, so I were

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talking to you, do you havethose like spirits? I don't know they
were spirits. I didn't see them, but I could hear them talking to
me, and I could feel themaround me. And I was coming off
of the meth and all the stuff, and that was just making it worse.

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And I just basically had a nervousbreakdown. And I went to this
church and talked to a pastor,gave them all the books and my cards,
and I said, pray for me. I just need I need some
help. I need to be releasedfrom this. I thought that was the
end of it. But it wasn't. So years later. I still did

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astrology, I still read signs,I still wanted to do the divination.
I tried to have a relationship.I was still trying to be a Christian.
I was trying to do the ChristianI was trying to make myself this
person, and I was just gettingworse. Basically, it came to the

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point where I had broken everything,every ten every one of those ten commandments,
every single one. And I didyou have a good church at the
time. No, I was involvedwith any kind of good church. No,
I wasn't. I had been scaredoff a church. And you probably

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hear this from a lot of nonChristians. You don't judge me or I
just I didn't want the to tellme what I already knew to just hand
me more Christian platitudes that to mewere doing nothing. But I know that
stuff that's not helping, that's nothelping me. I wasn't reading my Bible,

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I wasn't praying all the time,and I wasn't living for God.
I was living for me. Iwas living for me, just me.
I just wanted to be happy andcomfortable and have power money, of course,
which I've managed to have never hada whole bunch of money. I

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just And so a few years agoI ran into this friend of mine or
I had this friend, and sheinvited me to this party. And it's
in my note is that it's likea Tuperware party, but it's not tougherware.
They call it like a naughty Ladyparty. I don't know anyway.

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I'm not gonna go any for thatanyway. So the lady, what is
this thing? I don't even knowwhat that is. Oh yeah, I
can't. I'm old. What canI say? They don't have debaware anymore.

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Yeah. So she had said thatthis was her last party because she
was going to be she was apsychic and she wanted to go into Riki
healing. And I didn't know whatthat was, but I was like,
oh wow, psychic. Like sometimesI feel like I know stuff and I

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see things because i'd catch I catchout of the sight in my eye.
It's always like over here in myperipheral, I see something and I look
and it's not there. And thathappens all the time to me. It
still happens, not as much asit did, but it still happens,

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and she said, oh, Ican feel for feel that you are specially
gifted and you're probably Claire Cognizant orI don't remember which Clara is the Claire.
And I was like, oh wow, I feel so special. And
so she had me. She invitedme to join this Facebook group that were

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other gals like me, and shewas teaching us how to do the cards.
So I went out and got somecards again, and I got these
angel cards by Dorin Gruccio, becausekat Katrina, who was this psychic lady,
had said that these were the onesshe liked the best, and they
were really pretty. They had reallypretty pictures and nice paintings of angels on

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them, and so I got thesecards and I got some books by her,
and I started reading card cards alittle bit. But then I'd got
into a relationship with this guy andhe took all my energy. I realized
in the last year that he wasextreme narcissist. So I realize that now

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I didn't know what that because hetook up at every bit of everything I
had. But when he'd go towork, I started because there again I
started to feel like I didn't haveany power over my life. And so
I pulled out those cards and calledKatrina and she said, you need to
meditate every day. And I'm meditatingwhen at first it was really nice and

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I'd sit in my backyard, getreally silent, listen to the birds,
and then listen underneath the birds toget to that pure silence. We're being
drawn into this test. There's areason I'm not interrupting you because it's very
captivating. What that's probably something thatpeople used to talk about. You're still

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great. It's a great story.Oh, we appreciate you about you asked
about the full moon. So theI love always loved a full moon growing
up because the way the light shiningon my bed when I was a little
girl. I just I don't knowwhy. I just loved it. And
I one of the things that Iwas reading that full moon's what they meant.

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The veil was thinner, your powerwas a little more amped up.
That's when you took your crystals outto charge them. It's funny to me
now because I'm like taking these rocksout and putting you in the moonlight and

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thinking they're doing something for me.Was wow, Yeah, those things will
mess you up. I remember theone time I dated a girl in Japan
who was into these how a stonestone. I was like, Okay,
I don't know, I'm a Christian, but sure I'll take one. Oh

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no, this very dark, nogood. Put it in my pocket and
I got into the worst bike accidentof my life. Yeah, you need
to throw that, Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. It was like
this is bad, like, yeah, things are dangerous. And by her
saying that about the stone, thatwas like her purting and putting a curse

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on it, and you put itin your pocket. Yeah, oh interesting,
like a manifesting of a curse uponit. She thought she was blessing
it, but it's actually it's acurse because it's demonic. Yeah. As
a Christian and the d like Michaeland probably wanted to take him out.

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I believe that. I believe thatdemons can inhabit inanimate objects like stones absolutely,
oh yeah, oh yeah, cancurse objects for sure. Sure.
And that's why when I got outof it, all of my crystals,
all my books, all my cards, everything got tossed. Yeah I had
to. I would have burned it, but that would have been a really

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big fire in the middle of RooseveltCalifornia. I don't think they've had been
very happy with me. Oh reallyCalifornia, absolutely, yeah, yeah,
sure when its fire season, ohyeah, definitely. But yeah, as
far as the moon, that wasalways a big deal. That's when I
did the rituals out my backyard ifI could get my boyfriend to leave the

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house. And I noticed one dayI was or one night I was out
there. I had my crystals outand I was just sitting there meditating and
I noticed I was just zoning inon the reflection on one of the crystals,
and I could see things happening,and I'm like, wait, I
need a bigger crystal. So Igot one. It was the craziest thing

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how I got it. I wentto they have this Denio's Farmer's market and
to swap meat and a farmer's marketand all these things in Roseville. And
my boyfriend likes to sell junk andI'm junk. And he set up his
table and right across was this ladywho had crystals and stones, and there
was this beautiful lavender colored stone thathad smooth sides and it had all these

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other crystals around it like pointing atit, and it was exactly what they
needed, and it was only fivedollars, because when I went to the
cult book store to get them theywere fifty dollars one hundred dollars. I
was like, no, I can'tdo that. So I took that home
and I put my hand out becauseI remembering I remembering it being in my

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hand and meditating on it and justwatching pictures, watching things happen, and
it was almost like, do youremember the video take on Me? Yes,
yes, okay, yes, yeah, but it goes into that drawn

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world, that black and white wereanimated world. Yeah, but remember how
the the pictures like moved, Yes, but they were like that, the
way that they were drawn. That'show the pictures were, and they moved
in that fashion. And then oneof the times I could see a fire

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pit and I could see there waswhat looked like a demon standing on the
other side of it, and somesmaller demons around it, and a girl,
a woman on this side looking backat me through the crystal, and
I realized that was me and whatwas around that fireplace for demons? And

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I'm sitting in the backyard around myfirebreak. This is during the day,
and I don't know why they didn'tfreak me out. I don't know why
I didn't take that crystal and justchuck it as far as I could.
I don't know why all the paranormalsstarted to ramp up. I'm doing the
Tarot cards every time I do areading. I just to practice reading them

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and remembering them. But the Tuiswords was one that came up for me
when I'd ask what do I needto do? What do I need to
do to his swords? They needto make a choice. They need to
make a choice. And then Ieven asked another psychic. She pulled from
her own deck, but you gotthe two swords, and this means you
need to make a choice. Butthere might be a third option, but

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she didn't explain what that third optionwas. So I knew. I started
figure out that the choice was gonnahave to be We're back to that.
I'm going to have to deny God. We're back to that. And I
couldn't do it. I couldn't doit. I couldn't. Yeah, I
couldn't do it. I tried to. I believe in God and he made

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you guys, So I don't knowhow to how that works. And so
then when my psychic friend. Shewas trying to help me find my spirit
guides. We went through this thingand three spirit guides broke through, and
they called themselves Mary, Peter,and Michael. And as I said and

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the thing I wrote out, Ireally think they used those names because I
recognize them with the Bible. Theyknow how to play you, they know
how to get to you. Butwhat I discovered is that the shape shift
as well, they become other things. I was listening to psychic teacher,
a new Age teacher online, andshe was doing this thing. It was

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an Artemis activation or to missus GodGoddess, and I wasn't even sure what
it was, but I listened tothe hunt. Yeah, but I wasn't
sure what the activation part. Iwas like, okay. She said we
need to do this thing, andI'm like, okay, all right.
So I did that. I meditatedand listened to this thing, and then

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I was supposed to go do areading over at my friend's house. So
I got hopped my car and I'mheaded over to my friend's house. And
I could swear there was somebody sittingin a passenger seat and there's nobody there,
and we were talking. We're justtalking. I don't know why,
none of this. It's amazing,how diluted the devil, how he can

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deceive you. And I don't knowwhat the word to use. I don't
know, damp it down, sohe puts a veil over your eyes or
I don't know. Left to mydeception, I guess I don't know why
I didn't run screaming because there wasthis part of my brain. I knew

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what I was doing was right,but I kept going, God, if
you don't want me to do this, give me a sign. And then
I was out on the back porchsmoking a cigarette and I'm talking to my
spirit guds and one of them says, yeah, I'm Jesus, and I
laughed out loud, like outlined,and we're I hear this, Yeah I'm

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Jesus, and I went, no, you're not. So Jesus is the
son of God. Then I thinkthat made them mad. The paranormal start
started to ramp up. People werecoming into my bedroom at night, not
people like people, spirit people.I remember I was I had this dream

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and three different people came in.They had to come in my room and
come around to my side of thebed, and they were standing there talking
to me. I don't remember whatthey said, but I was like,
go away, I'm sleeping. Andthen one would leave, and then another
one would come and I go away, I'm sleeping, and then another one

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would come and go away, andthey want like they weren't there to terrorize
you. They were just hanging out. Or I felt like they wanted me
to get up, and I feltlike the female one said, let me
come in. So I can guesswhat that means. But I can enter

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you like I think so, Andbecause while I'm sleeping, and that's ventses
are really down. Yeah. Sothe next day my boyfriend said, you
were having some crazy dream last nightbecause you kept yelling, no, get
out of here, get away fromme, no, get out. It's
like, yeah, I didn't tellthem what the dream was. But when

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all this is starting to ramp up. And then one night a girl had
died. A girl I worked withhad died at work. She had an
aneurysm, and I went out becausea kid ran in and said, Molly
hit her head and I ran outand she was laying there. I could

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see that she was dead, andI'm holding her hand and I can see
again out of my peripheral I cansee her standing there and she's looking at
me and looking at herself with thisconfused look on her face. She came
in. She or it was supposedto be her. I don't think it
was really her. She came inand she whispers in my seat in my

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head see her come in my room. Mayes are closed, but I hear
her whisper in my ear. Getup now. So I'm like, okay,
so I got up. I don'tremember what else happened that night.
I couldn't tell you, so yeah, I just kept going like that.

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There were so many red flags andthen the pain. I got involved in
this impath group because I discovered Iwas an EmPATH and I got involved in
an impath group on Facebook, whichis probably still on Facebook. But they

(34:21):
they I had read flag from themwas they were talking about something and I
remember quoting a Bible verse and theyfreaked out. They freaked out and said
deleted it and said, don't everdo that again. I'm going, Okay,
that shouldn't worn me. Yeah,okay, yeah, And then eventually

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they kept talking about assentsions symptoms andI'm going, what is this ascension symptoms?
And they said, when you're risingto the next level, you have
these flu like symptoms. I startedto get this s symptoms and it's like
having the worst body ache ever,and no matter what you take, it

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won't go away. And it wasawful, and I kept hoping it would
go away. So then I'm backto listening to my other new h teacher
online and she was talking about spiritguides. She's talking about how mermaids and

(35:30):
all these things can be spirit guys. And she said, then she brought
up the name Dorian Virtue. Shesaid, some of them look like the
angels in Dorien Virtues angel cards.She goes, oh, I love those
angel cards. She says, it'stoo bad Dorin became converted to Christianity.
And I was like, snap,what wow, what do you mean?

(35:54):
This was my favorite designer. Ihad every deck she ever made, and
so I stopped. I was watchingit on my iPad and I stopped it,
and I looked it up on YouTubeand found her testimony on YouTube and

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listened to that, and she talkedabout coming to Christ and realizing after reading
in Deuteronomy eighteen about how necromancy andpeople that's an abomination in his sight,
and that hit me really hard,and I I just stopped everything I was

(36:39):
doing and started praying, and Iprayed for a very long time and repented,
and I told God, I said, Jesus, bless me more you
every day. And all the studyingthat I had done to learn about witchcraft

(37:05):
and being an EmPATH and a psychicand the taro, I was going to
double that into getting to know whoJesus is and who God really is.
And the biggest thing was Lord,I'm sorry. I have been disobedient my

(37:25):
whole life. And I realized nowthat all I just need to be obedient.
All my problems, most of myproblems in my life are because of
my bad choices and the company Ikept, be it physical or spiritual.
So I picked up my Bible andI started reading it, and at first

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I was reading it for hours onend. I couldn't get enough of it.
And then I started looking for videoon YouTube and discovered more videos of
people that had been in the NewAge that had come out that had become
Christians. There was Stephen bang Carsand Melissa Dougherty, and that led me

(38:15):
to others. I found Josh Peckfrom Daily Renegade, and through the Black
with Tom Dunn and I was Jaredat that time, but now Vicky Joy
Anderson as his co host. Andyeah, so that has been my focus.

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I purposed and I've been true toit ever since that day in July
sixth, twenty nineteen. I getup in the morning, I get my
coffee and then I read, Ipray and read my Bible. I have
to do that everywhere every day.That's great, amazing. A big part

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I think of of sanctification is thewashing of the word that I wrote this
first down. Yeah, it's weare cleansed with the washing of the water
by the word. Great scripture,that's an Ephesians talks about how a husband

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should how well basically talk about howJesus cleanses us with the reading of his
washing, through the reading of hisword to present us as his bride.
And And because I'm not one ofthose people that that woke up one day

(39:46):
and suddenly I stopped smoking and suddenlyeverything was wonderful, and I got this
job and he won a million dollars, right, and none of that happened.
So, yeah, I had itwas in a situation. I was
in a narcissistic, abusive, asituation. I had to get me and

(40:07):
my son out. I had apart time job that wasn't paying anything.
I it took. Yeah, Ididn't know what I was going to do.
And my mom and dad so youcan come here. And that was
a good thing because my dad isa pastor and went to seminary and so
there's all these commentaries and Christians iswhat I needed. I was still dealing

(40:32):
with the ascension symptoms. What Irealized now aren't ascension symptoms. They're demons
pressing down on you. Yes,when I remember in that group, people
going, oh I have ascension symptoms. Yay, I'm raising a level and
I'm now I'm wrong. Oh no, no, you're going down a level.

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Actually, So it took a lotfor me to detox from everything that
I had immersed myself in through theNew Age because I was eventually wanting to
be a witch. I wanted tobe a witch. I wanted that power.
Wow, don do you mind ifI ask so, did your dad

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and mom, being Christian, didthey have any idea that you were immersed
in the occult and on your wayto becoming a witch? And no,
no idea. You were already outof the house by the time you start.
Yeah, they knew I Oh yeah, they knew I had some we

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would call them woke ideas, youknow, but they didn't realize how far
in that I had gotten. Anotherthought I had was when you saw the
images that were on the stones orthe crystals and such, that after you
laid them out in the moon Isthat correct? Was it after you had
put them out in the moonlight,that's when you saw the images the next

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day? Or I'm sorry, repeatto me what the chronology of events was
with the with seeing the images.I just happened to be looking at a
reflection off of when it was alittle tiny stone about that bit. Oh
it was a tiny stone. Yeah, it was a little tiny stone.
It was just like a pebble likethis. Oh wow, that's a payson

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that you saw those. Yeah,I was focused on it. It's a
method of it's called scrying, scryingexactly. I've heard of scrying before.
Yeah, where you're looking in theref So I was just looking into it
because I was in this meditative stateand I just could see things, and
I knew if I had a biggerspace, I could see them more clearly.

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So I don't know. I don'tknow if it's because I put them
in the moon, I don't know, it's just when when I noticed that
I was starting to see things.Wow, isn't it interesting that Holly would,
in the form of the Aha videotake on me that it seemed to

(43:07):
resemble the scrying or the images thatyou saw on the crystal. And I
think a lot of things in Hollywoodseem to resemble like real spiritual experiences,
like the hat Man or the creaturein Jeeper's Creepers and the Maleficent, and
these different Christians that came out ofthe occult have seen these things when they

(43:29):
were in the occult, and I'mlike scratching my head, going that's interesting.
So does Hollywood have a pulse onthe occult? I would definitely say
yes that they themselves are probably involvedin it, if not consulting with people
that are writers who do that sortof thing, who knows. But I
did definitely think about the scrying,and I've seen it in movies. This

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one movie with the col Kiman andJude Law I forget the name of it,
Cold Mountain, that's it, Andthat was a good movie. But
there was a scene where she didthe scrying, that there was this legend
that if she hung upside down andtook the mirror and looked looked at looked
at the mirror at the image behindher, that I think it was that

(44:12):
the image was supposed to show herhusband, her future husband, and then
she saw her the shadow of herhusband played by Jude Law with the And
I knew from reading books about theoccult that was scrying. I never did
it, but I read different apologeticChristian books that talked about that, like
the doctor Walter Martin Kingdom of theCult's book and Kingdom of the Occult.

(44:34):
I think he wrote that book.But anyway, and that's interesting that also
that you came out of New Agebecause of these YouTube videos by Dorian Virtue
and things of that nature. Andthat really shows that what we're doing,
even right now with you sharing yourtestimonial, that this, in turn,
and I prayed that it will impactsomebody the way Dorian Virtue's videos impacted you
and many others, that this videowill also impact this new generation coming up

(45:00):
that is lost in the occult andthey believe that the occult has the answers
and such. Wow, that's amazingthere's nothing good is going to come from
it. Nothing good even if youget the money, even if you get
the guy, even if you getthe house, is still going to end

(45:21):
up very badly. And in theend there's eternity, and eternity is a
long time to burn. Oh yes, I want to. I have people
I know that are doing those samepractices and I want to take don't do
this. But I know that evenwhen the red flags were there, I

(45:42):
still kept going. So all Ican do is pray that somehow that God
will reach out to them like hedid to me. There's this thing the
whole time, especially the last fewmonths where I was really deep into it.
Looking back on it, I feellike the Holy Spirit was there watching

(46:08):
me all the time, just waitingfor that moment when I'd break free.
For when I went God save me, I on now. I grew up
in the church, and there weretimes growing up like you go to church
camp and you have those emotional momentsand oh, I'm always going to be

(46:32):
with God. I'm adamn, Iwasn't. But this time I have,
like I promised God, I dovein. I'm learning everything I can and
then when I get into it,now I'm discovering that I'm not the only
one that this is happening too,that yeah, this stuff, that the

(46:57):
yes, you're not supposed to dothis, but it's not because it's not
real. It's because it's dangerous andit's not from him. That's why the
Bible is against it, why God'sword is against it. Then I find
out about the Nephilam, and thenI'm understanding because I was trying to be
a medium and I'd seen ghosts,but now I know that I don't think

(47:21):
they're really ghosts. And now I'veheard people on other podcasts think they're ghosts,
but I'm telling you not. Justdon't even go there. Just don't
allow yourself even that thought. Theyare not ghosts. They're not your grandma,
they're not your nephew, they're notsome little girl that died in the

(47:42):
eighteen hundreds. Just stay away.That's how they catch you. And with
demons, with in the spiritual realm, all they have to do is wait
around for you to do something,to open up to let them in.
And that includes even if you're aChristian, for them to get the permission

(48:06):
to move in. We have tobe so careful and there's so much of
that input out there now with Disneycartoons, stuff they give little kids the
cartoons, that it blows my mind. I can't even watch regular TV anymore.
I can't. I can hardly takeit either. A lot of times

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I'm like, Okay, I haveto change the channel. This is just
really too dark. Yeah. Andmy dad he's still not but he's still
a little bit fascinated with I'll catchhim watching UFO shows about UFOs and stuff
and or. But when I talkabout my stuff, were you sure?

(48:52):
Pretty sure? Yeah, I thinkyou'd be. You would think some stuff
he's into. But when I startedtalking about when I discovered about the Nepheleon.
But here's a verse in Genesis thatI've probably read over one hundred times,
Genesis six, and I never hitme what was really going on there,

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And nobody ever talked about it ever. Nobody ever talked about it too.
So four years ago I find out, oh, this is really a
this is a real thing. Whenmy dad and I got a little argument
Christmas about that, but I understandit. Yeah, he doesn't believe it.

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I don't know. I don't,like I said, like I texted
you earlier, it just seems likeChristians, Christians who have been in the
church a long time is Western Christians, Western Western Christians, don't they really
have a hard time accepting that thisis a thing that when we say spiritual

(50:00):
warfare, we mean warfare. Thisis happening, and we're being attacked,
and it's getting worse, and theveil is getting thinner, and you can
see it every day. You cansee it. You can turn on the
news. I don't even I don'tcare which news it is, Fox who,

(50:22):
I don't care who it is.You can see it. Like the
attack October thirteenth in Israel and howthat played out with those terrorists that massacred
did horrible, unthinkable things to people. It was clearly demonic, and they
had been given a drug to helpthat along. Oh I didn't know that.

(50:46):
Oh my gosh, what drug wasit? Yeah, I think it
was similar to meth. But itwas the same stuff that Hitler used to
give as soldiers in Germany. Ohmy gosh, I think it is crystal
math. It's very similar to that. That really shows that different non prescription

(51:12):
drugs and sometimes prescription drugs can reallyopen the door to the spiritual realm.
A lot of people think the spiritis one thing and the body and mind
is another, and that's organic,but they're all intertwined. We're tripartiate body
mind, sould in spirit, andanything that we do to ourselves, whether
it be getting drunk or drugs orwhatever, it does affect us and it

(51:36):
opens the door to the spiritual rum. So whatever crystal meth that they had
had taken just opened the door toprobably spirits of murders all things, because
of the horrible things, unspeak unspeakablethings that they did too, write children,
unborn children. So yeah, Iabsolutely I also know that for me,

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I struggle with depression a lot mywhole life, and it used to
self medicate, So that just madethe difference, which just made it worse
because I was allowing, I wasgiving the demons permission basically to be in
my life, and they piggyback onthat kind of stuff and make it worse.

(52:24):
Almost committed suicide at one point.Wow, I'm so sorry. Yeah,
I think people such as ourselves thathad dabbled in the dark side in
the occult. I definitely believe andknow for sure that the occult I was
involved with, even though it wasn'tdeep like yours, that even just a

(52:45):
small door to the occult, that'sjust a little bit of jar can open
the door to demons of suicide anddepression and such. And that's what opened
into my eyes, is I sharedin my testimonial when I back in earlier
this year with Michael and then Ireleased it. I believe in September that

(53:05):
I was also involved with the occultand in terms of horoscopes and tarot card
reading and different other things and ohnot like horoscopes, but ouiji boards.
That's it. And some people think, oh, it's life, it's not
real, and it's a Halloween parlorgame, it's just a trick of the
mind, the sleight of hand orwhatever. But I know for sure right

(53:30):
after that, I was a differentperson, you know. I was very
depressed, very dark. And evenmy English teacher in my freshman year,
she actually called she let the principalknow and let my father know that she
thought I was a lovely girl whenI was fourteen or fifteen, and but
I had written these stories and thesethat were pretty dark and put the vocabulary

(53:54):
words in these really like deathly sentences, and that was really depressing, that
were really depressing, and I totallyagree. And then when I had gotten
saved through the Lord used that bookDemons in the World Today by doctor Merrill
lef Hunger, and he said thatthe symptoms of demonic oppression for those who

(54:15):
dabbled in the occult or was deepinto the cult are suicidal tendencies and depression,
and that just that paragraph just totallyopened my eyes. And just like
how the Lord used during virtues videos, the Lord used that book to open
my eyes. And then he alsoquoted Deuteronomy eighteen. When you come into
the Lord, when you come intothe land the Lord your God has given

(54:37):
you, there shouldn't be any divinersand sorcerers and right and all these things
that the society praises like Harry Potteror they say, oh, it's just
not real. It's not real,And why would God say no? If
it wasn't real, exactly, therewasn't a thing, then it wouldn't be
a thing that's that speaks volumes.For sure, I have a question.

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So listening to your story and nowgetting to meet you, it's absolutely lovely,
don and thank you Jerlen for makingthis possible. It's obvious that you
have a great interest in the spiritualrealms, and that you are gifted even
before getting into the New Age orwhatever, like just the fact that you

(55:22):
were able to perceive a death inthe family and to speak that, and
that the obviously the dark side reallywants you to join them because you have
something that they can use. Nowturning that around, and I I'd like
to ask you first, like howlong has it been since you came out

(55:44):
of this? Like how many yearshave you been now cold Turkey, not
New Age, not into witchcraft?Four and a half years. Okay,
so that's a lot of nice timeto read the Bible. And you know,
I still struggle with I have trustissues. So I trust God and
that's it. I spent a lotof time reading the Bible. I watch

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I'm on a Chuck Missler binge rightnow. I really love him. I
got involved with this Bible study.That's my church. It's a small group
and that works for me. Andthey're my best at friends. And I
do praise in warship once in awhile. I really haven't found I want

(56:30):
to serve the Lord. I dowhatever he asked me to do. I
just haven't found my thing. Iwanted to get involved in Through the Black,
but they're over in Ohio and I'mhere in California. It seems like
all the things, like I missall the conferences because I can't have word
to go to these conferences and bumsme out so bad. I want to

(56:52):
go to these conferences like blurry Conand oh yes, I'm not going to
get to go to that. I'dlove to go. Yeah, all these
great prophecy conferences and all of thisstuff. But yeah, I try to
keep everything Christ centered. This couldit still happens for anybody like me,

(57:15):
is come out of Witchcraft, Newagcle, the demons, the dark ones.
They will test the fences, youknow how remember the first Jurassic Park
movie and the Raptors. They saidthat the raptors would go around and test

(57:36):
the fences to see if they werestill on. Do you remember that part?
I do, Yes, I thinkabout that a lot because I have
animals. Yeah, every now andthen I can tell they're trying to entice
me with divination things or in otherways, or just flat out frightened me.

(57:57):
I was. I looked up thisgirl, this gal on YouTube who
has the ID multiple personalities. NowI understand that especially in Sri. I
don't know if this girl is assorry. I suspect she is, but

(58:19):
I stupidly made a comment on herthing because it was so sad to watch.
It was just, oh, Iwas just heartbroken for her. But
I made a comment. I don'teven I don't remember her name. This
was like two years ago. She'sjust a little tiny thing. She had
short, dark hair, but sheyou could just see how hurt she was.

(58:45):
And I made a comment that said, who hurt you? I want
to punch them in the neck.It's probably stupid. So then I started
having problems. I had to startsleeping with my light out there for a
little while, just horrible nightmares.This is just a couple of years ago.

(59:08):
So I'm reading my Bible. I'msolid into Christ, I'm all about
Christ, and but there's they're stilltrying to terrify me. I had to
sleep with the light on one night. I had the light off and I'm
looking over and laying in bed andI can see that girl standing there,

(59:28):
but it's it's not a solid again, not a solid body, but you
see this shadow. And what Ifound out Pastor Sean, I want to
say, his name is Sean Carter. He's from a channel called Unveiling the
Paranormal on YouTube. He explained thatpeople can't ask for project to you.

(59:55):
Yeah, so I knew when hetalked about that. I went, that's
what that was. That she wantedto find out who I was. I
think, yeah, yeah, andyou're talking. This is just to make
it clear, this is the sraA girl. I don't know if I
don't know that she's sorry, butshe is. D id so the idea.

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She's clearly very damaged, very hurt. I just wanted to hug her,
and she wasn't. Oh no,no, no. One of her
personalities, one of her personalities wastalking about how there's a dark one that
sits in the back that never talks. And I was like, oh,

(01:00:37):
we know what that is. Somaybe we could reach out to her in
the spirit and witness to her.You. Certainly, what I was getting
to is what kind of in theHoly Spirit supernatural encounters are you either having
or pursuing? Because I know fora fact that the Bible, if you

(01:00:57):
read the Bible all the time,it's full of supernatural encounters. And here
you are, you have all theseamazing testimonies, and I speak for myself
and a lot of my friends,Like we're seeking for God to move in
our lives. And it's not like, oh I have the power. It's
obviously gets all the credit for everymiracle. My life is a miracle.

(01:01:20):
Take that girl for example, doyou think there's a way that Okay,
so she's asked for projecting your inyour house, but then you have the
upper ground and higher authority to turnthat around and witness to her. I
don't know. I think it's acool when you think about what God can
do. What's God's equivalent of allthese crystals and things on all these weird

(01:01:42):
I don't know, all this stuff. Like whenever I feel the enemy attacking
me, I'm just like, okay, doing something right, Okay, yeah,
good exactly. So yeah, wehave the we do because God does,
because God already won. There's noequivalent in Christianity to the crystals and
the divination because we have Christ andwe have His word right that we don't

(01:02:08):
need to replace. We need tohave these items we lesser, lesser stuff.
We have the Holy Spirit in us. I would love to have more
Holy spirit filled things. The guythat leads our Bible study, he says

(01:02:29):
I have the gift. I thinkso, but I'm sorry. Sorry.
Prophecy, prophecy, wow, praiseGod. Yeah, yeah, I don't
know about that. I'm around Yeah, because I see these guys when they're
out there, and they sound tome like just fortune tellers. That is

(01:02:51):
the other question I have is,so you were exposed to that fortune teller
psychics, medium's divination mm hmm toyou? What be a true prophet that
is not using divination? How doyou differenterentiate well, that's operating the Holy
Spirit and palm readers. First ofall, generally, you gotta look at

(01:03:13):
the Bible. We have to beBrians. Look at the prophets of the
Bible. They didn't do Because Ihear this a lot, I really feel
like God is trying. I reallyfeel Isaiah Ezekiel. They didn't say I'm
feeling like God might. He didn'tsay that. He didn't do that.

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He said repent to pears a prophet. And they didn't do it at their
own on their own will. Itwasn't like their power. It was on
God's time. So I'm not ifmy friend Dave thinks I'm a prophet,
I'm not trying to be a prophet. I'm not out there with a sign

(01:04:01):
on the corner we think I should, though, turn to burn that you
speak for too. I just haveto look at the examples of the Bible.
I just have to look at theexamples of the Bible. And when
somebody says when Dave, or whensomebody says you're a prophet, or says

(01:04:24):
something like that, I don't evenrealize I said something that hit them,
So I don't so God just usedme or and great, that's awesome,
that's great because it's not about me. It's like healing people. They want
to heal at will, but likewhen Jesus healed or even when he delivered

(01:04:50):
people from demons, he said,I did this for God's glory, or
I did this so you would knowme. It's not about us. It's
not about it. I know,and we have to get I'm a little
bit as I struggle with pride.I was a singer as performers, so

(01:05:12):
I had to be really careful withpride. Right after I rededicated my life
to Christ, my brother invited meto be on the worship team. Excuse
me, but I had had thispride. I had this pride, and
I was competitive with this other.It was so stupid. I really,
this is right after I just rededicatedmyself and I realized that I had this

(01:05:36):
awful, disgusting pride, which reallyis the first sin is pride with Satan
and his pride, Lucifer and hisown pride before even Adam pride. I'm
standing there singing and having this pride, and I'm going, Lord, forgive
me. I will never sing anothernote. And if I would rather sing

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again, then I have this infront of him, praising him. I'm
supposed to be praising him. Soit's that with any gift, with any
pastor any teacher, anybody that servesthat has mercy or any of the gifts,
hospitality, it's not about us.It's serving the body. It's serving

(01:06:24):
the Lord. And I think I'drather not know if I'm doing it that
way. Yeah, I don't.I was watching Isaiah Salvadar the other night,
and he is I like him.I don't like him at first.

(01:06:45):
I didn't at first. I wasn'tsay I don't understand was don't agree with
some of the things. I don'tthink deliverances should take place on camera.
I mean, you definitely shouldn't domass deliverances because demons jump. But I've
heard that, yeah, demons jump, and if there's somebody in the crowd
who's not protected, they're wide opento that. So that demons just that

(01:07:10):
happened actually to somebody I know.We were watching that movie that come out
in Jesus' Name, and I'm notgoing to say who it is, but
I just don't think this person wasmaybe walking in the Holy Spirit and people
were manifesting demonic spirits and I thinkmaybe one maybe jumped into this person I
know and started some massive health issues. But that's just my perception. I

(01:07:38):
could be completely wrong, but itjust seems like that. You know,
I definitely understand what you're saying.I do think that, if at all
possible, it should be in private. That way the person's not humiliated or
whatever. But at the same timethink that it is good sometimes to have
it in public as the Holy Spiritleads, because people will also get faith

(01:08:01):
that they can be delivered too,and it shows the Kingdom or the shows
the power of God. When someone'shealed, hen someone's delivered. But I
can see why somebody like yourself,and I think there's another person that we
interviewed Amy with eyes on the right. She doesn't believe that it should be
in public either. So I canunderstand where you all are coming from.
Yeah, and part of it becauseyou can get prideful because you may you

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start to go, this is mypower, not God. This is me
doing this, and that's a that'sa dangerous thing. And so I want
to avoid that at all costs becauseit's always God. I want to always
all disappear so people will look atGod, because amen, I am nobody.

(01:08:48):
I am nobody, and the onlything that could save me was God
and it still is God. Andthat's all I want my life to be
about. I want my kids andwalk with him. That's where I'm at.
If I could find my niche inthe body, that would be great.

(01:09:12):
It hasn't happened yet, but Iguess all on God's timing. I
think God will being my mom andworking at my brother's store, and oh
that's great. You are a lovelylady with an amazing testimonial. And I
feel like God's really going to showyou your niche pretty soon. Do we
say it's us? It's strange o'clockniche. Welcome, Welcome, her.

(01:09:35):
We have ours wide open for you. I do actually look at the people.
We've got a lot of real misfit. Like I wasn't just asking you
those questions just to annoy you.Like I actually get contacted regularly by people
that are like, look, Idon't fit in church anywhere. I don't
know what I'm doing whatever, butlet's do stuff in the spirit realm.

(01:09:58):
And I'm like, let's do it. Yeah, start getting dreams and experiences
and yes, oh I've had Biblically, I've had my gosh, the craziest
dream. Oh, I get thatfor sure. And God, I think,
has given you the gift of prophecy. And I definitely believe in the

(01:10:19):
different gifts that the Holy Spirit gives. And yes, we have to be
like the Baharians and test every spiritto make sure that it is of God
and refer all the gifts to theWord of God. Just if that person's
prophesying, is that person confessing Jesusand this and that, or because I
know that there's that fine line whereit sounds like they're fortune telling, but

(01:10:44):
are they If they're of the LordJesus, then obviously they're profiying. But
then if they're saying that there's allkinds of different ways to God, or
you've got to deny God or whateverfor these gifts, and then obviously that's
up the devil, right, evenpeople who who are Christians, because they
want that experience so bad, whichI get, I understand that, but

(01:11:06):
they'll there's a certain church in readingthat teaches people to just shotgun it whatever
comes to your mind, just sayingand if you're wrong or good thing,
this isn't in the Bible days becauseif you were wrong, you were stone
to death. If they're coming upto you and I see you getting married
and having three kids and one ofthem will have blonde hair and blue eyes,

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and or I see you getting agood job, I don't think because
I don't see those kind of propheciesin the Bible for people. They generally
they were warnings. Generally, we'vegot to take people say the yeah Lord
with a grain of salt, likeI've had some of those. Or how
about false prophets like oh, Jerusalemwill never be destroyed, America will always

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be great. No, read yourBible again with the Holy Spirit this time.
Rely, Yeah, don we We'reso blessed to have you share your
story for the first time with uson for people that are tuning in to
your testimonial, your story, andespecially if they're the new generation whatever millennials

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or Generation Y or is it orwhatever? What do you want to say
to the young people? I feltlike I should ask you that parents aren't
wrong. I would say, lookaround you and what is your heart really
telling you? Look what's happening anddoes it make you sad? There's a

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reason for that because the world haseverything is pulling away from God and seek
God. Don't get involved in theoccult because you're endangering yourself and the people
around you. Don't put off gettingto know God because you don't know if

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you have tomorrow. And the powerthat the occult and Satan and the demons,
what they offer they demand a paymentfor. And it's not your power,
it's theirs. Yes, they willuse a message. They will use

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you and use you up. Andif you think that you need to change
some things in your life before youcome to God. One thing I heard
a long time ago that I hasstayed with me. Do you get cleaned
up before you take a shower.Just get in the shower. Aymen.
Very good message, great message.Don. Thank you so much, Don

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for your time tonight. We reallyappreciate you, and we just love your
spirit and how you have such ahumble and contrite heart and wanting to do
the right thing before the Lord andreally and not wanting to I can tell
that you don't want to air,that you don't want to go into any
type of falsehood, and that's soimportant in these last days that we don't

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get deluded by whatever wind of doctrineor spirit or what have you. And
I can tell that you you reallylove the truth. You love God,
therefore you love the truth, andso that's a lovely thing about you.
Praise God. Awesome, Thank youso much, Don for your time.
And we're excited about what the Lordis going to do with your life and

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with your ministry. And I cantell that it's it's starting, and you've
known the Lord four years and it'sgoing to be many more, God willing,
and I think a lot of peoplewill come to know the Lord through
you and this very podcast. Ihope that would be if one person came
to know Jesus men, that tome would be worth it all. Yes,

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me too, Oh for sure.You never know the impact of whatever
you say, whether here or thepast, present or future, how you
might see a young lady that inheaven and she might say, oh,
I saw your video on Strange o'clockpodcast, and I came to know the
Lord Jesus through you, just theway that you'll be able to share with

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Doreen Virtue in heaven. Yeah,that through her testimonial that you had come
to know Jesus. Yeah, andI hope to tell the person who wrote
that book Demons of the World today, doctor Funger, who's already gone to
heaven, that his book led meto Jesus. And yeah, we know
the ripple effects are of our wordsand our actions. And Michael High,

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I can't wait to talk to Michael. Oh my gosh. Yes, and
then is still alive. Yeah,I guess person. I send her.
I send her a message that dayon Instagram and I just sent her a
message and said you saved my lifetoday, and she actually wrote back,

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which I almost fell over and yeah, and she said how so. And
then I explained a little bit toher and that was the end of the
conversation. But yeah, she becausesomebody said, oh she became a Christian,
that's a bad thing. So thedemons don't like that for sure.

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No, too bad for them.So we love her absolutely. Yeah,
come on my show too, SpiritForce. I would love to talk dreams
with you. And yeah, justmore details like yeah, just shoot the
breeze and yeah, we'll have tobe You have my number, so we'll
definitely, yeah, shower, Iwill. I'm on. I'm in the

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Facebook group and yeah, oh great, yeah right, yeah, yes it's
strange a Clock Facebook. Yes youare, and I forget guys. Join
the Facebook group Stranger Clock Facebook group. Yes, Strangeclock dot com and you
can donate. Just don't be afraidto donate as well. And don do

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you have a website or would youlike to? I don't, But if
anybody wants to contact me through Facebookand they just need somebody to talk to
you about what they're dealing with orwhat they've just to do, because I
knew for me, I just neededto decompress and talk about it. It's
hard to find people who know.Oh, definitely somebody. It's one thing

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to get up and watch somebody avideo of a testimony, but to actually
talk to somebody, oh yeah,and they're done that press it goes a
long way just somebody to go thisreally happening, you know, Yeah,
so this could start a ministry foryou and don your Facebook link into the
show note is that? Okay?Way people can get a hold of you

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and send your friend request or sendyou a message or what have you.
And right if you can hang outwith Don in the Strange o' clock Facebook
group. Yes, she's hanging outthere, so the Creatures Facebook group too,
and this is your chance before sheblows up into start them and no
longer to get to talk to her. No, thank you so much for

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your willingness to chat with people thathave questions or would like to share what
they're going through with you. Iget it. I want to help them
because I want them to know.I want them to know Christ like I
know Christ. That yeah, becausethese days we can't trust anything with AI.

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We don't know what to believe,we don't know who to trust.
It's so hard to know what's realand what's not real anymore. The one
thing I know I can count onis the word of God. Amen,
you don't even know we're AI people. Okay, but verify if these are
cars or bridges, Michael could bouch. I'm a real person because my husband

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and I went to North Carolina andwe visited him at his cafe that he
used to work at, so heknows how h of blood because Louisa cands.
Well, if you're ever in California, Northern California, you're a Sacramento.
I'm in Rooseville at the strum Shop. At the scrum Shop, you
can come drum shop. Yep.Awesome, Oh great, great man,

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you're in northern California. Okay,So we go to the West coast like
every year. So I would loveto meet up with you because I know
we were in Sacramento not too longago, and had we known each other
a little better, I would havecrowded. Yeah, that would have been
for lunch somewhere in Sacramento. Awesome, awesome, Thank you so much.
Don. We we loved having you. We are it's the night is still

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young, right, Thank you somuch. Don. We really appreciate you
and I have it. Thank youso much for listening or watching The Strange
of podcast. Have a wonderful morning, afternoon, or evening wherever you are
at in the world, and havea strange and spirit filled day, folks.
Amen, by good night, goodnight, your favorite siss s s

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