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Maybe I was just way, waymore naive than I thought I was,
because when when this first got announced, I thought, this is gonna happen,
the same thing that happened with thee bull and the swine flu,
the American spirit. We're gonna rollour eyes, We're gonna crack jokes about
this. We're gonna say that's whatI thought, too nice. Try.
I can't believe people just rolled over. I can't believe on me if it's
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And what's scary is if that wassome sort of a trial like run what
was it? Jaw? I said, like, if you can't walk with
the footmen, how are you gonnarun with the horses? What if?
What if the next time, insteadof wear a mask or lose your job,
it's deny Jesus or we shoot youin the head, Like how are
you gonna have the guts to getyou know, take a bullet between the
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eyes when you ran out and gota backlas. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
Agreed, you're preaching to the christAnd I'm not condemning Christians that went
out and put masks on because theydidn't want to older kids. It got
complicated. I understand that. I'mnot trying to judge, but the the
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sort of no gray area that existsin me type of personality I have.
I was like, what just happened? Yes? Yeah, because you know
if even ten, if even tenpercent of the church and said I'm not
doing that, it would have folded, right, absolutely, I totally Yeah.
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Only only a little bit of peopleneed to go against it for them
to give up. Yeah, that'swhat we that's what we found out.
That was our test. Yes,people rising up, you know, and
we Christians. I don't think weChristians are the ones to really lead that,
but we definitely need to be prayingfor the for the rise up ers,
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you know. Yeah, I know. It's funny, funny when when
they kept the doors open but theyspread out all the chairs. It was
so stupid and until they eventually justshut it down. But the woman that
has passed her there still she andI kind of but it ends because you
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know, this was twenty twenty andit was not too long after I had
just rededicated my life and she decidedto completely follow him. So I wasn't
really good at two speaking in love, So I was wasn't really good at
that yet. So I was goingwhy are you being here? Let's see
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why are you believing the government andwhy this is all? You know?
Just because that's who I am.You know, this is great. I
really grated touching on this, VickyJoy, because you know, I know
Michael talks about it probably like onceat least once a week when he goes
live every night, and he he'llbring up the whole giver of a jibber
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mandate mask thing and and you knowhe'll he'll say, he'll he'll bring it
up like, okay, they wantus to forget that twenty twenty ever happened?
You know that that? You know, people lost jobs, people lost
lives on masks and anyway, Viji, what do you think of that?
Have you seen these interesting videos ofpeople manifesting demons and you know, like
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the delivers minutes are asking them questionslike you know, how did you get
into this woman? How did youget into this man? And they I
know that probably thinks they're fake,but I don't know, it's not that
I think they're fake. I thinkthey're Greg because Greg Greed says, just
kick them out. Why are youeven engaged? Game? Don't talk to
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him? Just just kick him out. In Jesus name right. But yeah,
I totally agree, sister. Oneof some of the things that I've
seen, like I saw a conglomaof like five or six videos where the
where the woman or man is metaphicia demon is and is it, Oh,
I'm here because of the gibbery,you know, And it's like and
then a you know, a personengages with them and you know, what
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do you mean? You're like,oh, I'm working with you know,
I'm working with the doctors, youknow, and what like what doctors like
the high level doctors you know,and it's just like, Okay, is
this person faking it or is ita real demon? It's I don't know,
I guess what means to be seen? What do you think those those
videos? Have you seen any ofthose videos? I have? And so
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don took the words right out ofmy mouth. Don't waste your time with
these things. I mean, thereare a bunch of warriors anyway, they're
not going to tell you. Butalso, if you're a deliverance minister and
minister or you have that gifting tocast out demons, I would think that
one of the character qualities that wouldgo along with that that would be undergirding
the fact that that's why you wentinto that ministry is that you have a
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deep compassion and empathy for people whoare being tormented, okay, and you're
gonna prolong their deliverance so you canhave a conversation that is the most selfish,
rotten thing, and then you're gonnathen you're gonna record it, and
then then you're going to exploit themand have them there. It is so
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absolutely ridiculously cruel and unkind get thatthing out of them if you've got a
gift to get that out of them. And another thing too, is these
people that it's not entertainment, youguys. It's not like let's get a
whole congregation in church gathered and comeup here if you have you know,
unless you can vouch for the factthat every single person in that audience has
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has the protective covering of Jesus Christover them, all that thing that you
cast out is going to do isfly into the next open persons. I
was saying, people do not Thisis not entertainment. And absolutely anytime you've
got to deliver ministry where they're puttingdeliverances online or they're doing it in front
of an audience, or it's beingvideotaped, or they're conversing. Those people
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are shysters, they are cruel,they are unkind. I don't know what
their motives are. But if youhave someone in front of you that is
being tormented by a demon, getit out, be done with it.
Amen, absolutely and not Yeah,and it's it's definitely humiliating. I'm sure
when that person, you know,is free of those demons, like,
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oh my gosh, now this isout for everybody to see. And yeah,
yeah, absolutely think about it.Yes, absolutely, you was paying
attention to that through the black Yeah, you were, you were. I
was listen and I learned a lotfrom that. It's awesome. Yeah,
not to have not to mention thefact that if you are the type of
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deliverance minister who are going to beengaging with these demons, these demons are
narcissistic. They love attention, Ohtotally. Yeah, if they know if
they know, hey, I justfound a guy that oh man, I
got the hook in him and heyou're opening up the door. That thing's
going to keep running back because it'slike a little child, right, if
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you're in a restaurant, there's akid that's like wants attention. If you're
that one dumb customer that's like wave, that kid is going to be bugging
you at the restaurant. So youknow, you get those kids and you're
like, I will not engage,right, you know, it's a great
analogy, exact. Yeah, ifyou show a demon that you are really
curious or enamored, that thing's nevergoing to leave you alone because they thrive
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on attention. They love it,right, Yeah, exactly, that's a
great analogy, Vicky Joy that theywant attention, just just like a little
kid that gets you know, like, oh this this man is looking at
me, so I'm gonna act acta fool, right Yeah, And sometimes
they do, yeah, hours andhours. And I'm not saying that the
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delivers mister is not doing all thatthey can through the power of the Holy
Spirit. But yeah, if yougive them an inchell bell take a mile,
right, absolutely, I totally agree. Yep, yep, yeah,
and so much too of deliverance.And I mean we know this. A
person has to be ready to bedelivered, and everyone's ready to have the
thing out of them, right.But if you get a thing cast out
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of you, but you're still goingto go and smoke all your dope and
play with your Uiji board and doyour witchcraft witch rituals, like if you're
not going to do anything to youknow, any any work after that,
Like, right, the worst thingyou can do is cast a demon out
of someone when they're there have nointention of changing after that, You're going
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to actually do worse for them.And I would hope that a legitimate deliverance
ministry would have a lot of preliminarywork that you would do and after the
demon is cast out. There's abig difference between showing something away that never
comes back and chewing something away everysix months because it keeps coming back,
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right, And so the aspects,Yeah, so the aspect of you know,
once someone's been delivered, they haveto learn about repentance, Biblical confession,
they have to learn about consecration,sanctification, they have to learn about
discipleship. The discipleship is key.Yeah. I mean, if you just
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cast a demon out of someone andsay so long, and you never have
contact with that and you have noidea whose hands are, what church they
go to, what doctrine they're beingtold, I mean, so much damage
can be done. And unfortunately,this kind of thing is becoming trendy now
and there's a whole lot of zealto do spiritual warfare, and it's not
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undergirded many times with a lot ofknowledge. Sometimes spiritual is just speaking truth
to lies, so you know,it's not always. Yeah, I actually
want to do an episode on It'sfrustrating to see this happening, you know,
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because when I was first exposed toit, through the Black was my
first and rest istar Who gosh,I miss this, but I wish I'd
gotten to meet him, definitely,No, but I learned so much from
him. And it's not a game. This is not a game. These
are people's lives and their eternal lifeis on the line. And I'm so
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glad that that was the first channelI found. This was back in twenty
nineteen and when Jared was still withhim, and I learned so much.
And now when I see some ofthese things going on, I'm like,
what are you? You need totalk to Greg Greed, You need to
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talk to Greg, You need toWhy don't you talk to Thomas Den?
Why what are you doing? Youknow? I it's so frustrated, And
I said, it's sad for allthese people they're like cast the demon at
of me, like it's a gameof Purler trick. Yeah. Absolutely,
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yeah, absolutely, this is justeverything. Here's all of you ladies are
saying it's pure gold, and there'smy grandfather worked with Derek Prince and they've
got a ton of good teachings onthis. People really do need to get
their get their work done and ordo their homework on deliverance before they just
run out there. And we're goingto need more, like we almost need
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like updated exorcism classes every year.Based off of where I mean to bring
it back to the beginning of theepisode, what Vicky Joy was brilliantly laying
out is how these entities are takingadvantage of of the deception through technology and
there's new levels of like you don'teven have to be in a trance to
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start seeing this stuff showing up.You could just be in your waking life,
you know, to have sleep prowssiesin your waking life, Like,
oh my gosh, it's so true, and so to know how to pray
against that. And I'm looking atjust pure cold Turkey Bible right now,
Like I mean, I know allthis stuff I've been listening to La Marzolian
friends since two thousand and four,and I'm I'm in a pure Bible diet
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right now, and I'm getting stuffout of the Word that I've never seen
before. And you have to bein the Word. You have to be
full of praise version. You know, you don't have to know every name
of every demon and every single secretsuper space program and how we find that
Masonic cult and this fall in ourchange. I mean that is there's too
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much out there. It's like,hello is here. We got to just
get Heaven here, you know,That's all I can say. Yeah,
that was a good question. That'smy on it. I take it away.
Yeah, I agree. There's sucha fine line and where we think
we're having all of these spiritual conversationsbecause we're bringing Bible references into it.
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We're saying Jesus. But even inthe discussions that we're having where Bible versus
and scripture and things we learned inseminary are coming up, who is the
main character who's getting the glory inthis? Because there is a lot of
these conversations where you know, thisis kind of the same thing with theater.
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I was taking this biblical demonology course, and this fascinated me that theater
actually originally when it started, allof the plays were about how God triumphed
over the devil. But this isthis is the funny thing, and this
will you'll see where Hollywood had hadits roots. Basically the end higher play
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where all of these people and demoncostumes running around wreaking havoc and all this
pain and this agony, and atthe edge at the very end of the
play, after three acts of allthis nonsense and debauchery, the deos ex
mechanaw would lower to the stage,you know, the god it would lower
to the stage, and then everythingwould just be defeated and go away.
And all the church people are clappingbecause their God defeated it. But what
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they didn't realize is you just gotduped into watching three hours of debauchery before
your God came and triumphed. Andso you're actually reveling in the debauchery because
that's what you're going to see,and that's what that's what we're right and
so I'm just seeing a lot ofthat now too, where we can sit
on podcasts for two three hours andwe can talk about all of the devauchery
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and all of what like exactly whatyou're saying, Michael. This is what
the Masons are doing, This iswhat the Space program's doing, this is
what the military is doing, andthis is the black ops budgets and and
oh but Jesus is coming back andhe's gonna try and be like yeah,
yeah, but that wasn't about Jesus. That wasn't glorifying Jesus. That that
was just completely saturating people with allof the monk right, and all the
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fear porn, all the fear pornand just because you know, out of
your pocket at the very end andsay, oh, no weapon formed against
us, Thanks for listening. Tunein next week we can talk about the
Wendiggos, you know. So itjust you know, and I'm always causing
that. And like even like whenwe do through reactions and even when we
do shows like this, like wewe do have to expose the deeds of
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the devil. We absolutely do.I I mean, there's if my people
perish for lack of knowledge, wedo need to expose the devil. But
how do we do it so thatnot only does God get the glory,
but the listeners leave at the endof it going the coolest thing about that
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podcast. I never knew that aboutJesus Christ. He is awesome. Is
that what that scripture meant? Ohmy word, I had no idea that,
like, I want people to walkaway goings right. Oh, God
is so amazing. I can't waittill he comes back. We're gonna kick
butt and we're gonna be on ourhorses and we're his He's gonna get the
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scepter of the kingdom and he's gonnarule and reigne like, that's what I
want people to go away with.But unfortunately a lot of times we stay
at the base level and it's allwe just talk about his enemies and the
stupid little plots that they have,And you know, they've been hatching plots
since day one. All Jesus hasto do is go nope and it's it's
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done. You know, He's somuch more powerful. But for some reason,
we're so fascinated with all these stupidlittle plots that that the devil keeps
hatching that never seem to work,you know. You know, I gotta
say though, it though, withthe experiences that I had with the Occult
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New Age, that even more provedto me that God was real because especially
once I came to him and Irenounced all of those things. Yeah,
it was like more more proof forme. It's hard to explain, but
that's kind of where that went forme. But in talking about thinking about
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where am I going to go withthis podcast, because there's all kinds of
shows where they talk about bigfoot andskin walkers, all the scary things and
which is fun and fascinating, butI want people. I want to teach
people or share with people about howGod, how Christ helps us with those
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things. And we need to getback to Bible teaching and learning the word
and not necessarily chasing after a skinwalkeror you alien or are aliens actual aliens?
Or they demonis or let's stop,let's get back to Yes, there's
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something and we know that they're notfrom God. So clearly we need to
get back to that, to Christto he's our answer and he trumps all
of it. He died to protectus from the you know, so yeah,
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grace, learning about grace didn't Iwent to church my whole life and
didn't understand what grace meant until likeit hit me, well not too long
after I came back to Christ.And then I'm reading my Bible every day
and it just hit me like aton of bricks, like, uh,
I'd been going to church for mywhole life. There was no reason I
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should not have understood grace. Ikept trying to work at work, at
work. It's a gift, youknow, no matter what. So yeah,
anyway, I babble, I'm goingon and on, so I'm glad.
Okay, absolutely, well there isI'm really thrilled to hear you.
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But Joy talking about the needs forthe word the word, the word the
word as an expert on these scarytopics, so that's big, yes,
BG, Yeah, absolutely, andit's funny. And I talked to Ellie
about this when I said, youknow, the biggest reason I don't really
feel comfortable writing this book is onone hand, I know there's people like
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me that have suffered with this theirwhole life, and if I have answers,
I want to help those people.But what I'm really afraid of is
people who have never heard of itare now going to get chitillated with it.
They're going to go online, they'rethe Google it, and they're gonna
spend hours and hours and hours likereading all of the like message boards about
everybody's spooky experiences and they're actually gonnaget drawn in and open doors. And
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I was very worried about that.And what what's really cool about it is
a lot of the podcasts that Iwind up doing, especially the secular ones,
is you can lay out, Okay, this is what the enemy's doing,
and this is the agenda. Buthey, do you know why they're
doing this? Do you know whyshow people are coming to the door?
I was gonna ask you about that. How are the secular podcasters responding?
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They're fantastic, They're wonderful us becausebecause what I'm able to do. And
I didn't know this when I waswriting the book, but what what the
Lord has shown me is that thethe sleep prolysis experience is a mimic.
It's a mockery of the bridegroom comingto the door like in so Solomon five
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two or in Revelation three twenty.It's a betray covenant. It's a threshold
covenant. And so when I explainto people, well, this is a
threshold covenant, it's kind of likethe vampiric covenant. And so they come
to the door, they can't stepover the threshold until they're given an invitation,
they step over the threshold. That'sa covenant. What happens after the
covenant, then there's a consummation.Okay, this is mirroring the gospel.
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And then I start to lay outthe gospel like the real bridegroom that comes
to the door, that won't comein unless you hear him knocking and invite
him in. And then I gostraight to Revelation three twenty and it is
absolutely amazing because the fact of thematter is eternity is written on everyone's heart.
I don't care if you're a medium, if you're a psychic, if
you're into a new age, ifyou think God is fooy. The fact
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of the matter is most people,especially in the podcast realm, who have
these shows, they are very spiritual, and they do want answers, and
they do like it when things makesense and when you can explain it to
them. And so when you cantake something from their world and you can
show that it actually has its rootsin scripture and that there's stuff in scripture
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that's actually really cool and supernatural andexplains what's going on in the cosmic realm,
they're absolutely drawn in by it asthey should be, because eternity is
written in their hearts. And sowhat I've tried to do as much as
I can is use the sleep paralysisexperience to get the information out. Let
the people know who are experiencing,how they can get help and what's going
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on. But I want to explainto you what they're doing. And it's
a perfect metaphor for the bridegroom andfor the Gospels. And then what's super
cool is a lot of these showswhen they're done, you know, it's
like that was a great show.That was a great show, and it's
like these are people saying that wasa great show to someone who just literally
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spent more than half the time talkingabout the Bible and seem to them.
And what I think is great aboutthat is that's what's nearest and dearest heart
is I love it. The Bibleis the most adventurous, supernatural, exciting
story ever told me. As weget further and further separated from the culture,
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the context, the history of thelanguage, and the geography of the
text, the more we lose howamazing the book is. But if you
can start bringing the context and theculture and the history and the language and
the geography back into the text.There are some amazing things going on.
There's like bone chilling things going on. And surprisingly, there are things going
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on in scripture that if the averageChristian understood what was really going on,
they would be offended. They wouldsay that shouldn't even be in the Bible.
I wouldn't even want to hear asermon on that. Like, there
is deeply occultic stuff going on whereDaniel lived his life. This is Moses
being raised in the Egyptian court,Joseph being with the king of Egypt.
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These men, they were exposed tothe occult. They were dealing with high
level magicians and occultists. They wereimagine being someone raised in Israel under the
Torah, where you had never eatenany unclean thing, and you had all
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of these things that you needed andwanted to do to feel close to God
and to feel pure, and thenyou're dragged to Babylon and they're offering you
all of this disgusting food that's noteven food. And I mean, we
can't even imagine what what these guyswere exposed to. And and and so,
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and I'm Jacob in Luz, areyou kidding me? He's laying his
hat on a Jupiter stone, tryingto divinely communicate up, you know,
with with the gods, and thereal God shows up. And I mean,
if the average person knew why Jacobwent to LUs and what LUs was
and what that place was, theywould be what in the world was the
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son of Abraham and Isaac doing inlove? That'd be like if we decided,
Wan, I'm going to take anice weekend to you know, Amsterdam
this weekend and check out the RedLake district, like what what are you
doing there? Wow? On there, you know, And but that's where
he was and Corinth where Paul waspreaching. Oh yes, Lawren, Oh
my goodness, that was definitely thewrong side of the tracks. Yes,
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yeah, so we did think ofit like, oh, you know he
was in court and oh he wasspeaking to the gals, like do you
know who the gulls were? Imean, he was preaching to druids,
right, So we're just so disconnected. And one of my passions is especially
for the young generation, you know, the next generation. You guys have
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no idea how exciting the Bible isand how much is in there, and
it makes these marvel comic people looklike boring little morons if you actually knew
what was in Jesus Christ is everysingle Marvel comic hero rolled into one and
more like you can't even touch hopeful. But we need to do we need
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to speak with as much enthusiasm aboutthose things as we as we do about
the bigfoots and the aliens and theUFOs and the other whole stuff that we
that we're you know, we havepermission to talk about. But let's not
make that look more dazzling than thethings that are more Yes, totally,
God, Amen, I'm so gladthat you see that because we were just
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Michael don and I were just talkingabout that the other day and about how
like, okay, so we haveall of these subjects, you know,
we talk about all these objects thatthe red Pillow Christian community, you know,
is we're fixated on. You know, is it flatter, there was
a round her? There are isbigfoot like exactly, you know, like
like an aliens and then things ofthat answer Like, I mean, those
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are interesting topics and everything, butbut you know, how do we bring
all of this stuff back to God? To how does it bring glory to
Jesus? And and so I understandthat people are trying to search for better
answers, you know, to thesequestions, and some people have lost faith
and walked away from the church becausethe pastor or their parents couldn't answer you
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know what about ufoes and aliens orwhatever. So it's good to have better
biblical answers for those things. Butin the end, you know, it
doesn't draw people to God. Andand that's one of the things that that
we love about your ministry, VickyJoy, And you know, the delivers
ministry through the Black is that youthat you tie it all back to Jesus.
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And it's not just you know,like a bow at the end,
but it's it's it's Jesus throughout it. And you and and I see your
concern that that even just talking aboutsleep paralysis might cause somebody to, like,
like your concern is that it mightcause somebody to delve into that and
may open the door, you know, and what have you? Do you
mind if I asked, Picky Joy, have you had that experience where somebody
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you know, who is just fascinatedor curious, you know, they're they're
asking you questions or whatever, andthen something did happen to manifest that was
a sleep paralysis, like after theyasked these you know, ask these questions,
but didn't have it before. Ihaven't run into that, not to
say that hasn't happened, but Ido know that, you know, there
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have been people that have told me, I'm I have sleep paralysis. I
haven't had it in a little while. I'm afraid to read your book because
I'm afraid it'll trigger it again.And to that, I'll say I have
one hundred percent understand and emphasize withthat because I was afraid to start writing
the book because I hadn't had sleepparalysis in a while, and I was
afraid if I start exposing these things, it's going to come back. Oh
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my gosh, it's going to comeback. And you know, from the
time that I started writing the booktill now, it's been about four years,
and I don't feel that writing thebook, or even being on these
shows and exposing all this and helpingpeople and taking hours of counseling calls every
week, I really don't feel like, well, I mean, the sleep
paralysis hasn't come back. And let'sjust say, if I do have any
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warfare in my life, I haven'tnoticed and if I haven't, it hasn't
been. It hasn't been. Payfor God, Praise God. I'm glad.
I like, well, I guesswe can't do the paranormal stuff.
She'll be on to that. Somaybe, you know, but you know,
the kind of the cool thing aboutwhen you go through a whole bunch
of stuff, you know, likeI was in the hospital a lot and
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all this and the bullying when you'vehad a fairly traumatic life, the warfare
has to get really really really badbefore you even notice it, you know.
So you know, I'm the type. You know, if my car
hasn't started, I tend to thinkI probably did something wrong, and not
that there's a demon there pulling awheel off. So right, So if
you're logical, if the demons arewanting credit for the frustrations in my life,
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they're not getting the credit for that. I like to take the blame
for all that stuff, so right, right, And that's one of the
things I wish that we all,such as myself, you know, we
would just go through like okay,so check off, like there should be
like this this mental list. Okay, like something went wrong and awry?
Was it something logical? You knowthat you could credit to some sort of
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you know, natural means or okay, if it's not it's not not okay,
then there's a possibility that it couldbe supernatural. And yeah, I
think we definitely need a more balancedperspective. Absolutely, yeah, we do.
I remember one time a friend ofmine called and and she was like,
my car won't start. It's thedevil. I laid hands on it,
I prayed for I know it's thedevil. I'm going through Warburg because
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I this and this and that whatever. And she called me a couple hours
later because she had called the towtruck and she's like, oh, yeah,
I had it neutral. I'm like, okay, right, Oh gosh,
she panicked herself so bad. Right, that's hilarious. I do have
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a question about sleep prousis. SoI've had thord they're not like where I
mean, I've had one where Iwas paralyzed. But you said in your
book that it always happens when you'rein the supine or in the laying on
your back. This seems like mymost of my experiences, I've been laying
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on my side. Yeah. SoI actually have that in the very back
of the book that that's that's oneof the myths because people say if I
don't sleep on my back, Iwon't get it. And the reason why
that's the myth is, ironically,I've had it on my side several times,
but ironically it's not as intense.It's not as intense of an experience.
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But I've had other people tell methat they're on their stomach and their
face is being smashed into the pillowand they can't breathe, and bet so
yeah, and you can't move yourmouth to say Jesus, you can't.
And another thing that I think issort of irrelevant about what position you go
to bed in, like I'm notgoing to sleep on my back. And
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I had a suspicion for many yearsbecause I don't sleep on my back,
but every time I had sleep prolyssies, i'd wake up on my back.
So I have my suspicions that we'rebeing rolled over. And it's only been
within the last couple of years.I've seen a few television shows where they're
depicting some sort of a sleep paralysisexperience and the entity is coming in the
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room and is rolling that person over, And I thought I knew it.
I knew it, you know,so I don't know if they're telling us
something there. But you can havesleep paralysis sleeping in a recliner during the
day, you know, you don'thave to be laying flat on your back.
A lot of times people when theywake up, they will be on
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their back. But but you canhave it on your side, you can
have it on your stomach, youcan have it cleep, it on the
couch. You know, they don'tcare. You just have to be in
that altered state of Yeah, right, absolutely, I've had I think I
told you, VICKI joy I had. I've had sleep paralysis for a while.
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And sometimes it's just a plain oldI don't say a plain old,
but I mean, sometimes it's justthe basically paralysis. I feel a sense
of evil or foreboting, and thenthe sleep paralysis, and I'm trying to
rebuke it, you know, withmy mouth and the name of Jesus,
you know, and and then itsomehow silences my tongue to where I can't
speak, so I just pray inmy spirit and then it leaves. Sometimes
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it's the basic kind. But thenif I'm really witnessing and I'm really it's
usually like right before I'm gonna meetwith some friends that are unbelo or I'm
about to maybe either before or aftera witnessing event. Usually or if I'm
really pressing into prayer for somebody,the enemy just attacks either before or after
this type of event. Well,the latest one was about about three or
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four days ago. Like you said, I was on the couch and I
fell asleep on the couch while myhusband and I were watching TV and my
husband went to bed, and therewas a have you ever what do you
think about this? Vicki Joyce.So there was a woman in my dream
and she was just talking to melike normal, and then all of a
sudden in the dream, a spiritpossessed her. And then I could tell
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that she was trying to over thespirit inside her was trying to overtake me.
That was the only thing I couldonly word I can explain that she
was just trying to like absorb meor something, you know. And I
and I in my in my concern, in my fear whatever, you know,
Like I wasn't really fearful. Iwas more like you know, like
like angry at the spirit that wasin her. And I was adamant,
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you know, and I said,you know, why are you you know,
and I know that you're not supposedto engage, but nonetheless, in
the dream, I asked a question, why are you doing this to me?
And the spirit insider said, becauseI'm afraid of you as a child
of God. And I thought,this is weird, like it's saying it's
attacking me because it's afraid of me. And then I thought, okay,
this is absolutely a demon. SoI said, in the name of Jesus,
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I rebuke you. And I'm like, I actually woke myself up out
of the dream. Have you heardof of sleep paralysis like that? It's
like a like an advance, butI mean a sleep paralysis that where it's
a dream and a sleep paralysis atthe same time. Yeah. In my
case, speaking for me, mysleep paralysis always started in the dream.
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My dream. My dream would gosour and I would be having a nightmare,
and then I would wake up andit would be a continuation. But
for me, it was never thatI just randomly woke up in my room
and had it. It always forme started in a dream, right,
right, Okay, so that isnormal. Then before that it would start
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in the dream, right, Idon't know if that happens for everybody,
but for me it was more oftenthan not. Yeah right. It sometimes
happens where it's just the plain oldliberelsis or whatever, and then sometimes it's
it's it's infusing itself into the dream. Yeah right, yes, and thankful
that in Jesus name that they haveno power after we call upon him and
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what have you. And I tryto pray right before I go to sleep,
and I pray. I try topray at least, you know,
five ten minutes before sleep, andwhen I do, it seems to stave
away and the attacks. But thereare times when I'm just so sleepy and
I just go to sleep. Andthen then, like I said, like
those occasions where I have an opportunityto witness to somebody the next day or
it just happened or whatever, that'sit's like a reprisal from the enemy.
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Is that something that you've experienced toBiggy Joy, I don't know. I
mean, because it happened to meso many times when I was so young
that I wasn't necessarily cognizant of whetherthere were patterns for me. They were
just continual, so and they startedwhen I was so young. Obviously I
wasn't doing ministry and stuff when Iwas young. I think it was tormenting
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me, but now like in myadulthood when I would have it. Common
things that you hear people talk aboutis, you know, there's the new
level, new devil kind of situationwhere if someone's leveling up, they can
have it. But then there's alsothe opposite where when people are sort of
backsliding and not paying real close attentionand they're letting their guard down, then
it can happen. But it canalso happen during stress or if there's a
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triggering event, like there's a rejectionand it's triggering up something for the past,
or even if you've got severe jetleg or a move or a job
change, anything like that, becauseit just takes yeah defenses, Yeah,
it's you're tired. You've got potentiallya lot of negative emotion going on because
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they love to be around that.And just one other comment too, that
a lot of people, you know, we feel that, hey, I
rebuked, it isn't it left,So it's all good to go. A
lot of people that have these experienceswill feel sort of oppressed or paranoid or
freaked out the rest of the dayor they're a little unsettled. When that's
because sometimes these things their intent isn'tto possess you. Their intent is just
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to scare you, get you toengage so that there's a connection, so
that they can attach. So it'sjust saying go away. You actually have
to kind of do some aftercare.And that is because a lot of this
is starting in the dream world,and we don't necessarily remember all of the
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dream and and there can be attachments. You know, there's no formulaic prayer
here, but I always pray thingswhen I wake up and I have that
sense of foreboting, like I can'treally remember what I dreamed, but I
don't feel quite right. And soI'll say, Father, if anything happened
in my dreams that I can't remember, I pray that you would annull every
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oath, covenant, agreement, contractthat was made, annullan in the name
of Jesus, cover me with theblood of Jesus, and close this door.
And you know, so you haveto just because if they attached to
you after, you know, afteryou've you said go away, sometimes they
just piggyback on top of you andyou might not notice them, and so
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there needs to be some closure afterthe event as well. Don't just say
that even Jesus get out and thenroll over and go to bed thinking you
snockert it, because there could bean attachment there. So just for safety's
sake, just ask for any sortof contract, covenant, or oath to
be annulled. And you know,I'm not legalistic, Jesus isn't legalistic,
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but the demons are. And thereis something extremely powerful because it's a legal
term and these are contracts that they'remaking, these are threshold confidence. There
is something very powerful about using theword. And a lot of times we
say, you know, you know, we want to break an agreement or
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we want to cast them renounce,and that's all fine, but there's something
that I have noticed, and otherpeople that do this kind of ministry have
noticed that there's something sort of finalabout the word a null, which is
also interesting because it's that's also betrothallanguage as well. That makes sense,
and so if there's something about thatword that seems to scare them, like
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they know that they don't have alot of loopholes left after that, that
makes total sense. Very good toknow, right, So, how would
you like, would you say somethinglike ki joy, like I annull this
contract against me in the name ofJesus, or I personally? The way
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I do it is I pray andI say, Jesus, if I made
any contracts or ohsra agreements unwittingly orunknowingly, or I was buguiled in the
name of Jesus, will I askedJesus, will you annul that? And
ask the Lord ask Jesus. Okay, that totally makes sense. Yeah,
actlutely, that's pearls right there.For sure's a tool. Put that in
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your spiritual or fair right. Peoplehave different opinions as whether or not you're
supposed to say, in the nameof Jesus, get out, you know,
or whatever. And I keep thinkingof that Verson scripture, you know,
where the angel didn't even want toargue with like, but he said,
the Lord rebuke you, you know. And this is like a top
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ranking angel, the Lord rebuke you. And if if Gabriel or I don't
know if it was Michael or Gabriel, but Michael, if Michael doesn't even
want to say, I review youin the name of Jesus, then I'm
not higher than him. And sopeople have different opinions, and I'm not
dogmatic on what other people want todo or what other people in a tea.
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But because of what I've been throughand what I've experienced and what I'm
comfortable with, I am never engagingthese things ever. I you know,
you know, in the name ofJesus, get out, I'll say that,
in the name of Jesus, getout. But when I'm doing the
aftercare kind of prayers and stuff.Maybe this is just because I'm an English
major and I'm a stickler for words. But if I speak out loud in
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the ether to something that I can'tsee, and I say, you have
no power over me, and Iwill not be you know, all this
kind of stuff. You know,how is that different than a prayer?
I mean, that's what's prayer.I'm communicating with God in the spirit realm.
I'm having a conversation with God.So if I'm having a conversation with
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something that's not God, how isthat not prayer? I'm not talking to
you. Think about that too,that matter. That's definitely a good different
way to look at it. Andthat's right. Absolutely. We're not asking
them to leave, We're telling themyou know, in the Lord rebuke you.
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Right, considering we're not higher thanthe Holy Angel than what then absolutely
we should engage similarly, right thename of Jesus. So could we say,
in the name of Jesus, Irebuke you? Would that be I
don't I don't want to use theword I personally Okay, And again I'm
a stickler because I'm an English majorand I'm a stickler, but I'm a
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stickler because they're so legalistic. Yes, absolutely, I say, Jesus rebuke
you, you know, Jesus rebukeyou, right, yes, because it's
not us, It's not us,it's him right right, Yes, Yeah,
I think in the name of Jesus, get out, because I'm not
saying get out because I'm telling youto right, get out, you know,
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Yes, because we have no powerin and of ourselves. It's only
imbued power. The authority is fromJesus, just like a police officer doesn't
have any authority in and of himself, but it's the the authority that the
law enforcements given right right, Absolutely, that makes a lot of sense.
What's what's coming up next? Enjoy? What's what's on your on your pallette
(44:12):
for on your easel for you areon fire. So it's such an honor
to get to talk to you andjust to absolutely see how much you're out
there, and I know that you'regoing to go on so many shows and
spread the gospel and bring people tothe Lord, and I'm just I'm so
proud of you and your work anddefinitely going to be lifting up in prayer.
(44:34):
So we're excited about what's next.So yeah, and and and what
should we ask La mar Zouli onCross Files podcast. That's another okay,
Yeah, La just did a veryinteresting, somewhat controversial showed on the interviewed
and Arcturion. I don't know ifyou guys saw it. I watched that.
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I did, and I will justsay kudos La. I think he
did a master the job of beingbold but but but kind and so yeah,
you can ask him about that.That was interesting. I didn't see
that yet. You need to watchthat. Super Yeah, Arcturian aar C
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A ar C t U r IA N Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, it was a fair one. So yeah, you asked me about
that. Yeah, we're excited alsoto have him on board, so that'll
be a blessing. And we've beenMenseley blessed by you and Karen Wilkinson and
now La Marsulisa. I think thankthe Lord for opening this door, because
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we're very honored and privileged to haveyou on board and sharing your knowledge and
not only knowledge, but but yourheart and passion for the Lord and wanting
people to come to know him,you know, through our conversations like this
and and not you know, downthe rabbit hole that way or that way,
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which which is kind of pretty commonand shows like this, right.
I try to, like, youknow, we try to, you know,
bring the conversation back to you know, to Jesus, you know.
And I'm so glad that you're you'reyou're doing that and you're not wanting people
to fixate on, you know,the purperal stuff, you know. But
but when when they do talk aboutthese this purple stuff, it's like,
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Okay, we're gonna start here,but we're gonna end up right here towards
the Lord. Absolutely. Don Didyou have a last question? Oh gosh,
I'm just excited to actually to actuallytalk to you. You know,
I've watched you for so long ormaybe seeing you in Chad and and it's
just wonderful that And you're as coolas I thought you were. And reading
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your book, your humor comes throughand I love it because it's that kind
of snarky humor. I love it. Yeah, I love it. When
you made that joke about the expertsand the I totally I left some out
lay in my bed laughing. Yeah, only La Marsily would let me get
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away with that kind of snark throughout. But you have to add the levity
and the fact of the matters.I take these things seriously. You guys
like I am a triple with theenemy. We shouldn't mock them, we
shouldn't taunt them. But some ofthese lower things that we have authority over,
and some of the throlls that theyhave here on earth are little puppets.
What a joke, A bunch ofclowns. You know that they don't
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deserve my respect, then they don'thave it. Well, it was amazing
and get to meet you. Ican't wait to finish reading the book,
and then I'm going to read Karen'sbook. And yeah, you it's amazing
because I was there when you hadstarted the book and you were talking about
it, and then you published itand it came out and it blew up
(47:49):
and it's like, I'm so proud, so proud. You know, we
are definitely proud of you. Forsure. That is a on my list
for sure. Is they all tocome out at night? And Karen's book
so I am definitely the next paycheck. I'm going to buy it. And
if you buy Karen's book, youget where did I get it? You
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get a free book? Oh thisone? Yeah? Yeah, very cool?
Okay, awesome, awesome, Wellthat's great. Yeah, it's you.
We're a total blessing and thank youso much for coming back, Vicki
Joy. We're honored, privilege andblessed to have you on board. And
so, Vicky Joy, where canonce again, the people can go to
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purchase your book at Yeah, andget a hold of absolutely it's exclusively on
La marshal ly dot net. Andyou can get me at Vickyjoy Anderson dot
com or Instagram Vicky Joy author.Yes, Vicky Joy is great to follow
on Instagram And so do you happento respond to messages on there from people
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that follow you and stuff? Okay, so Kicky Joy was very responsive to
me, and you know, dearlistener, I'm sure she'll be responsive to
you as well, and check outVicky Joy's book at Lamarzoli dot net.
I'll put that in the show notes. So, Vicky Joy, do you
have a last thought to leave withour listeners? Oh? Wow, well,
I think you know. I'll justkind of reiterate what we said earlier
because I think it's the most importanttheme, and that is in all things
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that you do, strive to bringglory to the name of Jesus. Expose
the deeds of the Devil's set captainhistory. Amen. Amen, that's awesome.
The pearls of wisdom right there.Powerful? Yes, Amen? All
right, thank you so much.Listener or watcher who are turning into the
Crossfiles podcast also known as The StrangeClock Podcast with Michael, Jerry and Don
(49:46):
in her new podcast, a NewDawn Podcast. So we we welcome Vicky
Joy back at any moment in thefuture. We're so happy to have her
car out some time for us.So take care and God, let and
have a wonderful and spiritual morning,afternoon, or evening wherever you are at
in the world. Okay,
Maybe I was just way, waymore naive than I thought I was,
because when when this first got announced, I thought, this is gonna happen,
the same thing that happened with thee bull and the swine flu,
the American spirit. We're gonna rollour eyes, We're gonna crack jokes about
this. We're gonna say that's whatI thought, too nice. Try.
I can't believe people just rolled over. I can't believe on me if it's
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And what's scary is if that wassome sort of a trial like run what
was it? Jaw? I said, like, if you can't walk with
the footmen, how are you gonnarun with the horses? What if?
What if the next time, insteadof wear a mask or lose your job,
it's deny Jesus or we shoot youin the head, Like how are
you gonna have the guts to getyou know, take a bullet between the
(00:46):
eyes when you ran out and gota backlas. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
Agreed, you're preaching to the christAnd I'm not condemning Christians that went
out and put masks on because theydidn't want to older kids. It got
complicated. I understand that. I'mnot trying to judge, but the the
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sort of no gray area that existsin me type of personality I have.
I was like, what just happened? Yes? Yeah, because you know
if even ten, if even tenpercent of the church and said I'm not
doing that, it would have folded, right, absolutely, I totally Yeah.
(01:30):
Only only a little bit of peopleneed to go against it for them
to give up. Yeah, that'swhat we that's what we found out.
That was our test. Yes,people rising up, you know, and
we Christians. I don't think weChristians are the ones to really lead that,
but we definitely need to be prayingfor the for the rise up ers,
(01:52):
you know. Yeah, I know. It's funny, funny when when
they kept the doors open but theyspread out all the chairs. It was
so stupid and until they eventually justshut it down. But the woman that
has passed her there still she andI kind of but it ends because you
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know, this was twenty twenty andit was not too long after I had
just rededicated my life and she decidedto completely follow him. So I wasn't
really good at two speaking in love, So I was wasn't really good at
that yet. So I was goingwhy are you being here? Let's see
(02:38):
why are you believing the government andwhy this is all? You know?
Just because that's who I am.You know, this is great. I
really grated touching on this, VickyJoy, because you know, I know
Michael talks about it probably like onceat least once a week when he goes
live every night, and he he'llbring up the whole giver of a jibber
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mandate mask thing and and you knowhe'll he'll say, he'll he'll bring it
up like, okay, they wantus to forget that twenty twenty ever happened?
You know that that? You know, people lost jobs, people lost
lives on masks and anyway, Viji, what do you think of that?
Have you seen these interesting videos ofpeople manifesting demons and you know, like
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the delivers minutes are asking them questionslike you know, how did you get
into this woman? How did youget into this man? And they I
know that probably thinks they're fake,but I don't know, it's not that
I think they're fake. I thinkthey're Greg because Greg Greed says, just
kick them out. Why are youeven engaged? Game? Don't talk to
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him? Just just kick him out. In Jesus name right. But yeah,
I totally agree, sister. Oneof some of the things that I've
seen, like I saw a conglomaof like five or six videos where the
where the woman or man is metaphicia demon is and is it, Oh,
I'm here because of the gibbery,you know, And it's like and
then a you know, a personengages with them and you know, what
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do you mean? You're like,oh, I'm working with you know,
I'm working with the doctors, youknow, and what like what doctors like
the high level doctors you know,and it's just like, Okay, is
this person faking it or is ita real demon? It's I don't know,
I guess what means to be seen? What do you think those those
videos? Have you seen any ofthose videos? I have? And so
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don took the words right out ofmy mouth. Don't waste your time with
these things. I mean, thereare a bunch of warriors anyway, they're
not going to tell you. Butalso, if you're a deliverance minister and
minister or you have that gifting tocast out demons, I would think that
one of the character qualities that wouldgo along with that that would be undergirding
the fact that that's why you wentinto that ministry is that you have a
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deep compassion and empathy for people whoare being tormented, okay, and you're
gonna prolong their deliverance so you canhave a conversation that is the most selfish,
rotten thing, and then you're gonnathen you're gonna record it, and
then then you're going to exploit themand have them there. It is so
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absolutely ridiculously cruel and unkind get thatthing out of them if you've got a
gift to get that out of them. And another thing too, is these
people that it's not entertainment, youguys. It's not like let's get a
whole congregation in church gathered and comeup here if you have you know,
unless you can vouch for the factthat every single person in that audience has
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has the protective covering of Jesus Christover them, all that thing that you
cast out is going to do isfly into the next open persons. I
was saying, people do not Thisis not entertainment. And absolutely anytime you've
got to deliver ministry where they're puttingdeliverances online or they're doing it in front
of an audience, or it's beingvideotaped, or they're conversing. Those people
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are shysters, they are cruel,they are unkind. I don't know what
their motives are. But if youhave someone in front of you that is
being tormented by a demon, getit out, be done with it.
Amen, absolutely and not Yeah,and it's it's definitely humiliating. I'm sure
when that person, you know,is free of those demons, like,
(06:30):
oh my gosh, now this isout for everybody to see. And yeah,
yeah, absolutely think about it.Yes, absolutely, you was paying
attention to that through the black Yeah, you were, you were. I
was listen and I learned a lotfrom that. It's awesome. Yeah,
not to have not to mention thefact that if you are the type of
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deliverance minister who are going to beengaging with these demons, these demons are
narcissistic. They love attention, Ohtotally. Yeah, if they know if
they know, hey, I justfound a guy that oh man, I
got the hook in him and heyou're opening up the door. That thing's
going to keep running back because it'slike a little child, right, if
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you're in a restaurant, there's akid that's like wants attention. If you're
that one dumb customer that's like wave, that kid is going to be bugging
you at the restaurant. So youknow, you get those kids and you're
like, I will not engage,right, you know, it's a great
analogy, exact. Yeah, ifyou show a demon that you are really
curious or enamored, that thing's nevergoing to leave you alone because they thrive
(07:36):
on attention. They love it,right, Yeah, exactly, that's a
great analogy, Vicky Joy that theywant attention, just just like a little
kid that gets you know, like, oh this this man is looking at
me, so I'm gonna act acta fool, right Yeah, And sometimes
they do, yeah, hours andhours. And I'm not saying that the
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delivers mister is not doing all thatthey can through the power of the Holy
Spirit. But yeah, if yougive them an inchell bell take a mile,
right, absolutely, I totally agree. Yep, yep, yeah,
and so much too of deliverance.And I mean we know this. A
person has to be ready to bedelivered, and everyone's ready to have the
thing out of them, right.But if you get a thing cast out
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of you, but you're still goingto go and smoke all your dope and
play with your Uiji board and doyour witchcraft witch rituals, like if you're
not going to do anything to youknow, any any work after that,
Like, right, the worst thingyou can do is cast a demon out
of someone when they're there have nointention of changing after that, You're going
(08:41):
to actually do worse for them.And I would hope that a legitimate deliverance
ministry would have a lot of preliminarywork that you would do and after the
demon is cast out. There's abig difference between showing something away that never
comes back and chewing something away everysix months because it keeps coming back,
(09:03):
right, And so the aspects,Yeah, so the aspect of you know,
once someone's been delivered, they haveto learn about repentance, Biblical confession,
they have to learn about consecration,sanctification, they have to learn about
discipleship. The discipleship is key.Yeah. I mean, if you just
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cast a demon out of someone andsay so long, and you never have
contact with that and you have noidea whose hands are, what church they
go to, what doctrine they're beingtold, I mean, so much damage
can be done. And unfortunately,this kind of thing is becoming trendy now
and there's a whole lot of zealto do spiritual warfare, and it's not
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undergirded many times with a lot ofknowledge. Sometimes spiritual is just speaking truth
to lies, so you know,it's not always. Yeah, I actually
want to do an episode on It'sfrustrating to see this happening, you know,
(10:13):
because when I was first exposed toit, through the Black was my
first and rest istar Who gosh,I miss this, but I wish I'd
gotten to meet him, definitely,No, but I learned so much from
him. And it's not a game. This is not a game. These
are people's lives and their eternal lifeis on the line. And I'm so
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glad that that was the first channelI found. This was back in twenty
nineteen and when Jared was still withhim, and I learned so much.
And now when I see some ofthese things going on, I'm like,
what are you? You need totalk to Greg Greed, You need to
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talk to Greg, You need toWhy don't you talk to Thomas Den?
Why what are you doing? Youknow? I it's so frustrated, And
I said, it's sad for allthese people they're like cast the demon at
of me, like it's a gameof Purler trick. Yeah. Absolutely,
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yeah, absolutely, this is justeverything. Here's all of you ladies are
saying it's pure gold, and there'smy grandfather worked with Derek Prince and they've
got a ton of good teachings onthis. People really do need to get
their get their work done and ordo their homework on deliverance before they just
run out there. And we're goingto need more, like we almost need
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like updated exorcism classes every year.Based off of where I mean to bring
it back to the beginning of theepisode, what Vicky Joy was brilliantly laying
out is how these entities are takingadvantage of of the deception through technology and
there's new levels of like you don'teven have to be in a trance to
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start seeing this stuff showing up.You could just be in your waking life,
you know, to have sleep prowssiesin your waking life, Like,
oh my gosh, it's so true, and so to know how to pray
against that. And I'm looking atjust pure cold Turkey Bible right now,
Like I mean, I know allthis stuff I've been listening to La Marzolian
friends since two thousand and four,and I'm I'm in a pure Bible diet
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right now, and I'm getting stuffout of the Word that I've never seen
before. And you have to bein the Word. You have to be
full of praise version. You know, you don't have to know every name
of every demon and every single secretsuper space program and how we find that
Masonic cult and this fall in ourchange. I mean that is there's too
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much out there. It's like,hello is here. We got to just
get Heaven here, you know,That's all I can say. Yeah,
that was a good question. That'smy on it. I take it away.
Yeah, I agree. There's sucha fine line and where we think
we're having all of these spiritual conversationsbecause we're bringing Bible references into it.
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We're saying Jesus. But even inthe discussions that we're having where Bible versus
and scripture and things we learned inseminary are coming up, who is the
main character who's getting the glory inthis? Because there is a lot of
these conversations where you know, thisis kind of the same thing with theater.
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I was taking this biblical demonology course, and this fascinated me that theater
actually originally when it started, allof the plays were about how God triumphed
over the devil. But this isthis is the funny thing, and this
will you'll see where Hollywood had hadits roots. Basically the end higher play
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where all of these people and demoncostumes running around wreaking havoc and all this
pain and this agony, and atthe edge at the very end of the
play, after three acts of allthis nonsense and debauchery, the deos ex
mechanaw would lower to the stage,you know, the god it would lower
to the stage, and then everythingwould just be defeated and go away.
And all the church people are clappingbecause their God defeated it. But what
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they didn't realize is you just gotduped into watching three hours of debauchery before
your God came and triumphed. Andso you're actually reveling in the debauchery because
that's what you're going to see,and that's what that's what we're right and
so I'm just seeing a lot ofthat now too, where we can sit
on podcasts for two three hours andwe can talk about all of the devauchery
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and all of what like exactly whatyou're saying, Michael. This is what
the Masons are doing, This iswhat the Space program's doing, this is
what the military is doing, andthis is the black ops budgets and and
oh but Jesus is coming back andhe's gonna try and be like yeah,
yeah, but that wasn't about Jesus. That wasn't glorifying Jesus. That that
was just completely saturating people with allof the monk right, and all the
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fear porn, all the fear pornand just because you know, out of
your pocket at the very end andsay, oh, no weapon formed against
us, Thanks for listening. Tunein next week we can talk about the
Wendiggos, you know. So itjust you know, and I'm always causing
that. And like even like whenwe do through reactions and even when we
do shows like this, like wewe do have to expose the deeds of
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the devil. We absolutely do.I I mean, there's if my people
perish for lack of knowledge, wedo need to expose the devil. But
how do we do it so thatnot only does God get the glory,
but the listeners leave at the endof it going the coolest thing about that
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podcast. I never knew that aboutJesus Christ. He is awesome. Is
that what that scripture meant? Ohmy word, I had no idea that,
like, I want people to walkaway goings right. Oh, God
is so amazing. I can't waittill he comes back. We're gonna kick
butt and we're gonna be on ourhorses and we're his He's gonna get the
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scepter of the kingdom and he's gonnarule and reigne like, that's what I
want people to go away with.But unfortunately a lot of times we stay
at the base level and it's allwe just talk about his enemies and the
stupid little plots that they have,And you know, they've been hatching plots
since day one. All Jesus hasto do is go nope and it's it's
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done. You know, He's somuch more powerful. But for some reason,
we're so fascinated with all these stupidlittle plots that that the devil keeps
hatching that never seem to work,you know. You know, I gotta
say though, it though, withthe experiences that I had with the Occult
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New Age, that even more provedto me that God was real because especially
once I came to him and Irenounced all of those things. Yeah,
it was like more more proof forme. It's hard to explain, but
that's kind of where that went forme. But in talking about thinking about
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where am I going to go withthis podcast, because there's all kinds of
shows where they talk about bigfoot andskin walkers, all the scary things and
which is fun and fascinating, butI want people. I want to teach
people or share with people about howGod, how Christ helps us with those
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things. And we need to getback to Bible teaching and learning the word
and not necessarily chasing after a skinwalkeror you alien or are aliens actual aliens?
Or they demonis or let's stop,let's get back to Yes, there's
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something and we know that they're notfrom God. So clearly we need to
get back to that, to Christto he's our answer and he trumps all
of it. He died to protectus from the you know, so yeah,
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grace, learning about grace didn't Iwent to church my whole life and
didn't understand what grace meant until likeit hit me, well not too long
after I came back to Christ.And then I'm reading my Bible every day
and it just hit me like aton of bricks, like, uh,
I'd been going to church for mywhole life. There was no reason I
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should not have understood grace. Ikept trying to work at work, at
work. It's a gift, youknow, no matter what. So yeah,
anyway, I babble, I'm goingon and on, so I'm glad.
Okay, absolutely, well there isI'm really thrilled to hear you.
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But Joy talking about the needs forthe word the word, the word the
word as an expert on these scarytopics, so that's big, yes,
BG, Yeah, absolutely, andit's funny. And I talked to Ellie
about this when I said, youknow, the biggest reason I don't really
feel comfortable writing this book is onone hand, I know there's people like
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me that have suffered with this theirwhole life, and if I have answers,
I want to help those people.But what I'm really afraid of is
people who have never heard of itare now going to get chitillated with it.
They're going to go online, they'rethe Google it, and they're gonna
spend hours and hours and hours likereading all of the like message boards about
everybody's spooky experiences and they're actually gonnaget drawn in and open doors. And
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I was very worried about that.And what what's really cool about it is
a lot of the podcasts that Iwind up doing, especially the secular ones,
is you can lay out, Okay, this is what the enemy's doing,
and this is the agenda. Buthey, do you know why they're
doing this? Do you know whyshow people are coming to the door?
I was gonna ask you about that. How are the secular podcasters responding?
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They're fantastic, They're wonderful us becausebecause what I'm able to do. And
I didn't know this when I waswriting the book, but what what the
Lord has shown me is that thethe sleep prolysis experience is a mimic.
It's a mockery of the bridegroom comingto the door like in so Solomon five
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two or in Revelation three twenty.It's a betray covenant. It's a threshold
covenant. And so when I explainto people, well, this is a
threshold covenant, it's kind of likethe vampiric covenant. And so they come
to the door, they can't stepover the threshold until they're given an invitation,
they step over the threshold. That'sa covenant. What happens after the
covenant, then there's a consummation.Okay, this is mirroring the gospel.
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And then I start to lay outthe gospel like the real bridegroom that comes
to the door, that won't comein unless you hear him knocking and invite
him in. And then I gostraight to Revelation three twenty and it is
absolutely amazing because the fact of thematter is eternity is written on everyone's heart.
I don't care if you're a medium, if you're a psychic, if
you're into a new age, ifyou think God is fooy. The fact
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of the matter is most people,especially in the podcast realm, who have
these shows, they are very spiritual, and they do want answers, and
they do like it when things makesense and when you can explain it to
them. And so when you cantake something from their world and you can
show that it actually has its rootsin scripture and that there's stuff in scripture
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that's actually really cool and supernatural andexplains what's going on in the cosmic realm,
they're absolutely drawn in by it asthey should be, because eternity is
written in their hearts. And sowhat I've tried to do as much as
I can is use the sleep paralysisexperience to get the information out. Let
the people know who are experiencing,how they can get help and what's going
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on. But I want to explainto you what they're doing. And it's
a perfect metaphor for the bridegroom andfor the Gospels. And then what's super
cool is a lot of these showswhen they're done, you know, it's
like that was a great show.That was a great show, and it's
like these are people saying that wasa great show to someone who just literally
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spent more than half the time talkingabout the Bible and seem to them.
And what I think is great aboutthat is that's what's nearest and dearest heart
is I love it. The Bibleis the most adventurous, supernatural, exciting
story ever told me. As weget further and further separated from the culture,
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the context, the history of thelanguage, and the geography of the
text, the more we lose howamazing the book is. But if you
can start bringing the context and theculture and the history and the language and
the geography back into the text.There are some amazing things going on.
There's like bone chilling things going on. And surprisingly, there are things going
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on in scripture that if the averageChristian understood what was really going on,
they would be offended. They wouldsay that shouldn't even be in the Bible.
I wouldn't even want to hear asermon on that. Like, there
is deeply occultic stuff going on whereDaniel lived his life. This is Moses
being raised in the Egyptian court,Joseph being with the king of Egypt.
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These men, they were exposed tothe occult. They were dealing with high
level magicians and occultists. They wereimagine being someone raised in Israel under the
Torah, where you had never eatenany unclean thing, and you had all
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of these things that you needed andwanted to do to feel close to God
and to feel pure, and thenyou're dragged to Babylon and they're offering you
all of this disgusting food that's noteven food. And I mean, we
can't even imagine what what these guyswere exposed to. And and and so,
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and I'm Jacob in Luz, areyou kidding me? He's laying his
hat on a Jupiter stone, tryingto divinely communicate up, you know,
with with the gods, and thereal God shows up. And I mean,
if the average person knew why Jacobwent to LUs and what LUs was
and what that place was, theywould be what in the world was the
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son of Abraham and Isaac doing inlove? That'd be like if we decided,
Wan, I'm going to take anice weekend to you know, Amsterdam
this weekend and check out the RedLake district, like what what are you
doing there? Wow? On there, you know, And but that's where
he was and Corinth where Paul waspreaching. Oh yes, Lawren, Oh
my goodness, that was definitely thewrong side of the tracks. Yes,
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yeah, so we did think ofit like, oh, you know he
was in court and oh he wasspeaking to the gals, like do you
know who the gulls were? Imean, he was preaching to druids,
right, So we're just so disconnected. And one of my passions is especially
for the young generation, you know, the next generation. You guys have
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no idea how exciting the Bible isand how much is in there, and
it makes these marvel comic people looklike boring little morons if you actually knew
what was in Jesus Christ is everysingle Marvel comic hero rolled into one and
more like you can't even touch hopeful. But we need to do we need
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to speak with as much enthusiasm aboutthose things as we as we do about
the bigfoots and the aliens and theUFOs and the other whole stuff that we
that we're you know, we havepermission to talk about. But let's not
make that look more dazzling than thethings that are more Yes, totally,
God, Amen, I'm so gladthat you see that because we were just
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Michael don and I were just talkingabout that the other day and about how
like, okay, so we haveall of these subjects, you know,
we talk about all these objects thatthe red Pillow Christian community, you know,
is we're fixated on. You know, is it flatter, there was
a round her? There are isbigfoot like exactly, you know, like
like an aliens and then things ofthat answer Like, I mean, those
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are interesting topics and everything, butbut you know, how do we bring
all of this stuff back to God? To how does it bring glory to
Jesus? And and so I understandthat people are trying to search for better
answers, you know, to thesequestions, and some people have lost faith
and walked away from the church becausethe pastor or their parents couldn't answer you
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know what about ufoes and aliens orwhatever. So it's good to have better
biblical answers for those things. Butin the end, you know, it
doesn't draw people to God. Andand that's one of the things that that
we love about your ministry, VickyJoy, And you know, the delivers
ministry through the Black is that youthat you tie it all back to Jesus.
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And it's not just you know,like a bow at the end,
but it's it's it's Jesus throughout it. And you and and I see your
concern that that even just talking aboutsleep paralysis might cause somebody to, like,
like your concern is that it mightcause somebody to delve into that and
may open the door, you know, and what have you? Do you
mind if I asked, Picky Joy, have you had that experience where somebody
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you know, who is just fascinatedor curious, you know, they're they're
asking you questions or whatever, andthen something did happen to manifest that was
a sleep paralysis, like after theyasked these you know, ask these questions,
but didn't have it before. Ihaven't run into that, not to
say that hasn't happened, but Ido know that, you know, there
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have been people that have told me, I'm I have sleep paralysis. I
haven't had it in a little while. I'm afraid to read your book because
I'm afraid it'll trigger it again.And to that, I'll say I have
one hundred percent understand and emphasize withthat because I was afraid to start writing
the book because I hadn't had sleepparalysis in a while, and I was
afraid if I start exposing these things, it's going to come back. Oh
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my gosh, it's going to comeback. And you know, from the
time that I started writing the booktill now, it's been about four years,
and I don't feel that writing thebook, or even being on these
shows and exposing all this and helpingpeople and taking hours of counseling calls every
week, I really don't feel like, well, I mean, the sleep
paralysis hasn't come back. And let'sjust say, if I do have any
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warfare in my life, I haven'tnoticed and if I haven't, it hasn't
been. It hasn't been. Payfor God, Praise God. I'm glad.
I like, well, I guesswe can't do the paranormal stuff.
She'll be on to that. Somaybe, you know, but you know,
the kind of the cool thing aboutwhen you go through a whole bunch
of stuff, you know, likeI was in the hospital a lot and
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all this and the bullying when you'vehad a fairly traumatic life, the warfare
has to get really really really badbefore you even notice it, you know.
So you know, I'm the type. You know, if my car
hasn't started, I tend to thinkI probably did something wrong, and not
that there's a demon there pulling awheel off. So right, So if
you're logical, if the demons arewanting credit for the frustrations in my life,
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they're not getting the credit for that. I like to take the blame
for all that stuff, so right, right, And that's one of the
things I wish that we all,such as myself, you know, we
would just go through like okay,so check off, like there should be
like this this mental list. Okay, like something went wrong and awry?
Was it something logical? You knowthat you could credit to some sort of
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you know, natural means or okay, if it's not it's not not okay,
then there's a possibility that it couldbe supernatural. And yeah, I
think we definitely need a more balancedperspective. Absolutely, yeah, we do.
I remember one time a friend ofmine called and and she was like,
my car won't start. It's thedevil. I laid hands on it,
I prayed for I know it's thedevil. I'm going through Warburg because
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I this and this and that whatever. And she called me a couple hours
later because she had called the towtruck and she's like, oh, yeah,
I had it neutral. I'm like, okay, right, Oh gosh,
she panicked herself so bad. Right, that's hilarious. I do have
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a question about sleep prousis. SoI've had thord they're not like where I
mean, I've had one where Iwas paralyzed. But you said in your
book that it always happens when you'rein the supine or in the laying on
your back. This seems like mymost of my experiences, I've been laying
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on my side. Yeah. SoI actually have that in the very back
of the book that that's that's oneof the myths because people say if I
don't sleep on my back, Iwon't get it. And the reason why
that's the myth is, ironically,I've had it on my side several times,
but ironically it's not as intense.It's not as intense of an experience.
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But I've had other people tell methat they're on their stomach and their
face is being smashed into the pillowand they can't breathe, and bet so
yeah, and you can't move yourmouth to say Jesus, you can't.
And another thing that I think issort of irrelevant about what position you go
to bed in, like I'm notgoing to sleep on my back. And
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I had a suspicion for many yearsbecause I don't sleep on my back,
but every time I had sleep prolyssies, i'd wake up on my back.
So I have my suspicions that we'rebeing rolled over. And it's only been
within the last couple of years.I've seen a few television shows where they're
depicting some sort of a sleep paralysisexperience and the entity is coming in the
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room and is rolling that person over, And I thought I knew it.
I knew it, you know,so I don't know if they're telling us
something there. But you can havesleep paralysis sleeping in a recliner during the
day, you know, you don'thave to be laying flat on your back.
A lot of times people when theywake up, they will be on
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their back. But but you canhave it on your side, you can
have it on your stomach, youcan have it cleep, it on the
couch. You know, they don'tcare. You just have to be in
that altered state of Yeah, right, absolutely, I've had I think I
told you, VICKI joy I had. I've had sleep paralysis for a while.
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And sometimes it's just a plain oldI don't say a plain old,
but I mean, sometimes it's justthe basically paralysis. I feel a sense
of evil or foreboting, and thenthe sleep paralysis, and I'm trying to
rebuke it, you know, withmy mouth and the name of Jesus,
you know, and and then itsomehow silences my tongue to where I can't
speak, so I just pray inmy spirit and then it leaves. Sometimes
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it's the basic kind. But thenif I'm really witnessing and I'm really it's
usually like right before I'm gonna meetwith some friends that are unbelo or I'm
about to maybe either before or aftera witnessing event. Usually or if I'm
really pressing into prayer for somebody,the enemy just attacks either before or after
this type of event. Well,the latest one was about about three or
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four days ago. Like you said, I was on the couch and I
fell asleep on the couch while myhusband and I were watching TV and my
husband went to bed, and therewas a have you ever what do you
think about this? Vicki Joyce.So there was a woman in my dream
and she was just talking to melike normal, and then all of a
sudden in the dream, a spiritpossessed her. And then I could tell
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that she was trying to over thespirit inside her was trying to overtake me.
That was the only thing I couldonly word I can explain that she
was just trying to like absorb meor something, you know. And I
and I in my in my concern, in my fear whatever, you know,
Like I wasn't really fearful. Iwas more like you know, like
like angry at the spirit that wasin her. And I was adamant,
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you know, and I said,you know, why are you you know,
and I know that you're not supposedto engage, but nonetheless, in
the dream, I asked a question, why are you doing this to me?
And the spirit insider said, becauseI'm afraid of you as a child
of God. And I thought,this is weird, like it's saying it's
attacking me because it's afraid of me. And then I thought, okay,
this is absolutely a demon. SoI said, in the name of Jesus,
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I rebuke you. And I'm like, I actually woke myself up out
of the dream. Have you heardof of sleep paralysis like that? It's
like a like an advance, butI mean a sleep paralysis that where it's
a dream and a sleep paralysis atthe same time. Yeah. In my
case, speaking for me, mysleep paralysis always started in the dream.
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My dream. My dream would gosour and I would be having a nightmare,
and then I would wake up andit would be a continuation. But
for me, it was never thatI just randomly woke up in my room
and had it. It always forme started in a dream, right,
right, Okay, so that isnormal. Then before that it would start
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in the dream, right, Idon't know if that happens for everybody,
but for me it was more oftenthan not. Yeah right. It sometimes
happens where it's just the plain oldliberelsis or whatever, and then sometimes it's
it's it's infusing itself into the dream. Yeah right, yes, and thankful
that in Jesus name that they haveno power after we call upon him and
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what have you. And I tryto pray right before I go to sleep,
and I pray. I try topray at least, you know,
five ten minutes before sleep, andwhen I do, it seems to stave
away and the attacks. But thereare times when I'm just so sleepy and
I just go to sleep. Andthen then, like I said, like
those occasions where I have an opportunityto witness to somebody the next day or
it just happened or whatever, that'sit's like a reprisal from the enemy.
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Is that something that you've experienced toBiggy Joy, I don't know. I
mean, because it happened to meso many times when I was so young
that I wasn't necessarily cognizant of whetherthere were patterns for me. They were
just continual, so and they startedwhen I was so young. Obviously I
wasn't doing ministry and stuff when Iwas young. I think it was tormenting
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me, but now like in myadulthood when I would have it. Common
things that you hear people talk aboutis, you know, there's the new
level, new devil kind of situationwhere if someone's leveling up, they can
have it. But then there's alsothe opposite where when people are sort of
backsliding and not paying real close attentionand they're letting their guard down, then
it can happen. But it canalso happen during stress or if there's a
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triggering event, like there's a rejectionand it's triggering up something for the past,
or even if you've got severe jetleg or a move or a job
change, anything like that, becauseit just takes yeah defenses, Yeah,
it's you're tired. You've got potentiallya lot of negative emotion going on because
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they love to be around that.And just one other comment too, that
a lot of people, you know, we feel that, hey, I
rebuked, it isn't it left,So it's all good to go. A
lot of people that have these experienceswill feel sort of oppressed or paranoid or
freaked out the rest of the dayor they're a little unsettled. When that's
because sometimes these things their intent isn'tto possess you. Their intent is just
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to scare you, get you toengage so that there's a connection, so
that they can attach. So it'sjust saying go away. You actually have
to kind of do some aftercare.And that is because a lot of this
is starting in the dream world,and we don't necessarily remember all of the
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dream and and there can be attachments. You know, there's no formulaic prayer
here, but I always pray thingswhen I wake up and I have that
sense of foreboting, like I can'treally remember what I dreamed, but I
don't feel quite right. And soI'll say, Father, if anything happened
in my dreams that I can't remember, I pray that you would annull every
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oath, covenant, agreement, contractthat was made, annullan in the name
of Jesus, cover me with theblood of Jesus, and close this door.
And you know, so you haveto just because if they attached to
you after, you know, afteryou've you said go away, sometimes they
just piggyback on top of you andyou might not notice them, and so
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there needs to be some closure afterthe event as well. Don't just say
that even Jesus get out and thenroll over and go to bed thinking you
snockert it, because there could bean attachment there. So just for safety's
sake, just ask for any sortof contract, covenant, or oath to
be annulled. And you know,I'm not legalistic, Jesus isn't legalistic,
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but the demons are. And thereis something extremely powerful because it's a legal
term and these are contracts that they'remaking, these are threshold confidence. There
is something very powerful about using theword. And a lot of times we
say, you know, you know, we want to break an agreement or
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we want to cast them renounce,and that's all fine, but there's something
that I have noticed, and otherpeople that do this kind of ministry have
noticed that there's something sort of finalabout the word a null, which is
also interesting because it's that's also betrothallanguage as well. That makes sense,
and so if there's something about thatword that seems to scare them, like
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they know that they don't have alot of loopholes left after that, that
makes total sense. Very good toknow, right, So, how would
you like, would you say somethinglike ki joy, like I annull this
contract against me in the name ofJesus, or I personally? The way
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I do it is I pray andI say, Jesus, if I made
any contracts or ohsra agreements unwittingly orunknowingly, or I was buguiled in the
name of Jesus, will I askedJesus, will you annul that? And
ask the Lord ask Jesus. Okay, that totally makes sense. Yeah,
actlutely, that's pearls right there.For sure's a tool. Put that in
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your spiritual or fair right. Peoplehave different opinions as whether or not you're
supposed to say, in the nameof Jesus, get out, you know,
or whatever. And I keep thinkingof that Verson scripture, you know,
where the angel didn't even want toargue with like, but he said,
the Lord rebuke you, you know. And this is like a top
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ranking angel, the Lord rebuke you. And if if Gabriel or I don't
know if it was Michael or Gabriel, but Michael, if Michael doesn't even
want to say, I review youin the name of Jesus, then I'm
not higher than him. And sopeople have different opinions, and I'm not
dogmatic on what other people want todo or what other people in a tea.
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But because of what I've been throughand what I've experienced and what I'm
comfortable with, I am never engagingthese things ever. I you know,
you know, in the name ofJesus, get out, I'll say that,
in the name of Jesus, getout. But when I'm doing the
aftercare kind of prayers and stuff.Maybe this is just because I'm an English
major and I'm a stickler for words. But if I speak out loud in
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the ether to something that I can'tsee, and I say, you have
no power over me, and Iwill not be you know, all this
kind of stuff. You know,how is that different than a prayer?
I mean, that's what's prayer.I'm communicating with God in the spirit realm.
I'm having a conversation with God.So if I'm having a conversation with
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something that's not God, how isthat not prayer? I'm not talking to
you. Think about that too,that matter. That's definitely a good different
way to look at it. Andthat's right. Absolutely. We're not asking
them to leave, We're telling themyou know, in the Lord rebuke you.
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Right, considering we're not higher thanthe Holy Angel than what then absolutely
we should engage similarly, right thename of Jesus. So could we say,
in the name of Jesus, Irebuke you? Would that be I
don't I don't want to use theword I personally Okay, And again I'm
a stickler because I'm an English majorand I'm a stickler, but I'm a
(43:25):
stickler because they're so legalistic. Yes, absolutely, I say, Jesus rebuke
you, you know, Jesus rebukeyou, right, yes, because it's
not us, It's not us,it's him right right, Yes, Yeah,
I think in the name of Jesus, get out, because I'm not
saying get out because I'm telling youto right, get out, you know,
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Yes, because we have no powerin and of ourselves. It's only
imbued power. The authority is fromJesus, just like a police officer doesn't
have any authority in and of himself, but it's the the authority that the
law enforcements given right right, Absolutely, that makes a lot of sense.
What's what's coming up next? Enjoy? What's what's on your on your pallette
(44:12):
for on your easel for you areon fire. So it's such an honor
to get to talk to you andjust to absolutely see how much you're out
there, and I know that you'regoing to go on so many shows and
spread the gospel and bring people tothe Lord, and I'm just I'm so
proud of you and your work anddefinitely going to be lifting up in prayer.
(44:34):
So we're excited about what's next.So yeah, and and and what
should we ask La mar Zouli onCross Files podcast. That's another okay,
Yeah, La just did a veryinteresting, somewhat controversial showed on the interviewed
and Arcturion. I don't know ifyou guys saw it. I watched that.
(44:55):
I did, and I will justsay kudos La. I think he
did a master the job of beingbold but but but kind and so yeah,
you can ask him about that.That was interesting. I didn't see
that yet. You need to watchthat. Super Yeah, Arcturian aar C
(45:17):
A ar C t U r IA N Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, it was a fair one. So yeah, you asked me about
that. Yeah, we're excited alsoto have him on board, so that'll
be a blessing. And we've beenMenseley blessed by you and Karen Wilkinson and
now La Marsulisa. I think thankthe Lord for opening this door, because
(45:38):
we're very honored and privileged to haveyou on board and sharing your knowledge and
not only knowledge, but but yourheart and passion for the Lord and wanting
people to come to know him,you know, through our conversations like this
and and not you know, downthe rabbit hole that way or that way,
(45:59):
which which is kind of pretty commonand shows like this, right.
I try to, like, youknow, we try to, you know,
bring the conversation back to you know, to Jesus, you know.
And I'm so glad that you're you'reyou're doing that and you're not wanting people
to fixate on, you know,the purperal stuff, you know. But
but when when they do talk aboutthese this purple stuff, it's like,
(46:20):
Okay, we're gonna start here,but we're gonna end up right here towards
the Lord. Absolutely. Don Didyou have a last question? Oh gosh,
I'm just excited to actually to actuallytalk to you. You know,
I've watched you for so long ormaybe seeing you in Chad and and it's
just wonderful that And you're as coolas I thought you were. And reading
(46:44):
your book, your humor comes throughand I love it because it's that kind
of snarky humor. I love it. Yeah, I love it. When
you made that joke about the expertsand the I totally I left some out
lay in my bed laughing. Yeah, only La Marsily would let me get
(47:04):
away with that kind of snark throughout. But you have to add the levity
and the fact of the matters.I take these things seriously. You guys
like I am a triple with theenemy. We shouldn't mock them, we
shouldn't taunt them. But some ofthese lower things that we have authority over,
and some of the throlls that theyhave here on earth are little puppets.
What a joke, A bunch ofclowns. You know that they don't
(47:27):
deserve my respect, then they don'thave it. Well, it was amazing
and get to meet you. Ican't wait to finish reading the book,
and then I'm going to read Karen'sbook. And yeah, you it's amazing
because I was there when you hadstarted the book and you were talking about
it, and then you published itand it came out and it blew up
(47:49):
and it's like, I'm so proud, so proud. You know, we
are definitely proud of you. Forsure. That is a on my list
for sure. Is they all tocome out at night? And Karen's book
so I am definitely the next paycheck. I'm going to buy it. And
if you buy Karen's book, youget where did I get it? You
(48:15):
get a free book? Oh thisone? Yeah? Yeah, very cool?
Okay, awesome, awesome, Wellthat's great. Yeah, it's you.
We're a total blessing and thank youso much for coming back, Vicki
Joy. We're honored, privilege andblessed to have you on board. And
so, Vicky Joy, where canonce again, the people can go to
(48:37):
purchase your book at Yeah, andget a hold of absolutely it's exclusively on
La marshal ly dot net. Andyou can get me at Vickyjoy Anderson dot
com or Instagram Vicky Joy author.Yes, Vicky Joy is great to follow
on Instagram And so do you happento respond to messages on there from people
(48:58):
that follow you and stuff? Okay, so Kicky Joy was very responsive to
me, and you know, dearlistener, I'm sure she'll be responsive to
you as well, and check outVicky Joy's book at Lamarzoli dot net.
I'll put that in the show notes. So, Vicky Joy, do you
have a last thought to leave withour listeners? Oh? Wow, well,
I think you know. I'll justkind of reiterate what we said earlier
because I think it's the most importanttheme, and that is in all things
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that you do, strive to bringglory to the name of Jesus. Expose
the deeds of the Devil's set captainhistory. Amen. Amen, that's awesome.
The pearls of wisdom right there.Powerful? Yes, Amen? All
right, thank you so much.Listener or watcher who are turning into the
Crossfiles podcast also known as The StrangeClock Podcast with Michael, Jerry and Don
(49:46):
in her new podcast, a NewDawn Podcast. So we we welcome Vicky
Joy back at any moment in thefuture. We're so happy to have her
car out some time for us.So take care and God, let and
have a wonderful and spiritual morning,afternoon, or evening wherever you are at
in the world. Okay,
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