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A lot of people that have theseexperiences will feel sort of oppressed or paranoid
or freaked out the rest of theday, or they're a little unsettled.
When that's because sometimes these things theirintent isn't to possess you. Their intent
is just to scare you, getyou to engage so that there's a connection,
so that they can attach. Soit's just saying go away. You
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actually have to kind of do someaftercare. And that is because a lot
of this is starting in the dreamworld, and we don't necessarily remember all
of the dream and there can beattachments. You know, there's no formulaic
prayer here, but I always praythings when I wake up and I have
that sense of foreboting, like Ican't really remember what I dreamed, but
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I don't feel quite right. Andso I'll say, Father, if anything
happened in my dreams that I can'tremember, I pray that you would annull
every oath, covenant, agreement,contract that was made annulled in the name
of Jesus, cover me with theblood of Jesus, and close this door.
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This is the Cross Files podcast,brilliantly blending enlightenment and engagement. This
thought provoking show explores ancient and moderntopics through a biblical lens, offering listeners
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on a fascinating journey to broaden yourhorizons and uncover the supernatural aspects of life.
All right, well, we're excitedto have you on board here,
Vicki Joy. I know it's beenkind of a challenge for our schedules,
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and you know I was or myhusband was sick and and you weren't feeling
well, and it's all I'm thankfuland it all came together. So thank
you so much for your time,Vicky Joy. I know it's precious,
so awesome, awesome. So we'reexcited to have you on board and to
hear all about your latest and greatestprojects here. And I know that you've
you've got your book, but justwas well, first of all, let
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me just go ahead and introduce anamazing woman who needs no introduction, is
Vicky Joy Anderson and whose book isthey Only come out at Night about not
only sleep paralysis, but a deepdive into it and discussing it from a
biblical perspective. And it's sponsored byand none of them La Marzouli on Lamarzuli
dot Net. Is that right toVicky Joy? Correct? Yes? Great?
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Great, Well Vicki Joy, Well, well, okay, I'm sorry.
First of all, let me introducealso my great co hosts here.
I'm Jerrelyn Peach and I've got myco host Michael Basham, who's called in.
Welcome Michael, howdy, Thank you. Absolutely, we're glad that you're
on board as well, in spiteof your challenges in the mountains. And
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we've got Don Elliott and she's withher new podcast, New Dawn Podcast,
So welcome aboard as well. Hey, and so we are so blessed to
have Vicky Joy on board here.So, Vicky Joy, please tell us
about your your latest and greatest projectssince they Only come Out at Night or
whatever revelations new revelations that God hasshown you since the last time we chatted.
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I think maybe perhaps April of twentytwenty three, I think, yeah,
yeah, Well, I'm working onanother book. I'm kind of have
it done by March early April.We'll see about that, So more details
on that hopefully in maybe summertime.And working on a few other projects of
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my sleeve. And we got throughthe Black going on. We're taking a
little hiatus because Tom want to bea first time BRANDPA, So congres yes,
please take February off. I'm goingto be doing a lot of conferences
this starting in May, lots ofconferences in May and some in July.
And I just basically still doing thepodcast circuit. I've been meeting some amazing
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people, having great conversations, andI tell you so much has come out
of these conversations since the book gotwritten. A lot of things have been
validated and confirmed, as well asa lot of new information that's come in.
I'm really starting to see how thesleep paralysis experience is morphing and changing
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with our change in culture and withthe different generations. And I don't really
have any plans to write more bookson sleep paralysis. I'm not saying that
it wouldn't happen, but sure,I'm definitely seeing that the younger generations and
with all of the AI and thetechnology sleep paralysis is probably not going to
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look the way it did to thegen xers and the baby boomers much longer,
right right, in what way?Wow, it is now more of
an augmented reality. It's not reallyasleep. It is because of all of
the frequencies and the pure tones thatare in music, like the brain synchronizing
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binaural beats, et cetera, aswell as all of the mind altering substances,
the medication that people are on andfrequencies the Wi Fi, the five
G. People are more now experiencingthese interactions with these beings and these entities
kind of during the waking hours.You know, you really you only have
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to be in an altered state ofconsciousness to communicate with these beings. And
the more our technology progresses, themore we are somewhat in alpha states and
data states, much more than isnatural. We should be in waking hours,
we should be at the very leastin a vada state. But when
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we are really cognitively functioning, likewe're at work or we're problem solving,
or we are consternated over something thatwe're reading or heavy reading, then you're
in a gamma. Your brain isat a gamma gamma waves, and so
really the I call I actually thinkthat the biblical mandate for where what brain
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wave we're supposed to be in isthe gamma that's the high high functioning thirty
five hurtz or higher, because itsays to be soberminded and vigilant for your
enemy prowls around like a roaring lion. So what Eastern mysticism, which is
creeping into the church and into medicineand into science and psychiatry, is all
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of the things that they are suggestingthat people do to de stress and to
relax. Many of these practices andthese things that they're promoting for good well
being and good health and good mentalhealth are actually things that very quickly put
you into a theata state, whichis a state that you are only really
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supposed to experience when you are asleep. It's not a good waking state to
be in. You're very susceptible.The veil is thin. And I think
that what is very intentionally going onis that these entities are going to have
more access to more people because Idon't think we have to be drunk,
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high, or asleep to have theseencounters with beings anymore. That's frustrating.
That's frustrating. I have a lotof questions since I started reading your book.
I'm wondering, though, what thatlooks like. You know, in
a waking how does that How wouldthat play out? Like they're sitting on
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their compute or watching a YouTube video, and how does that work? It's
basically the same thing as sleep paralysis, except instead of being you know,
glued to your bed not being ableto move, you're sitting at your desk
or you're doing your dishes and you'llsee something out of the corner of their
eye and they'll they will turn andthey will see the red glowing eyes.
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They'll see the shadowmen, they'll seethe hat men, they'll see demonic manifestations.
They'll see things slithering on the floor, snakelike creatures, cryptids, And
unfortunately, because there's not a lotof training in the church. The first
thing, what you're more readily ableto do awake than asleep. When you're
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awake, you're lucid, and whenyou're awake you're more prone to say,
who are you? What do youwant right? What's your name? Now
you've just engaged it. That explainssome things. So I had a experience
when I was in the hospital aboutnine months ago and they had to give
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me really heavy pain killers because therewas an extreme amount of pain. And
they put me in this room bymyself, and there was a bathroom.
There were no other entrances to thebathroom, and the door knob kept turning
and the doctor came in and ithappened when he was there, and I
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go, did you hear that?He goes, yes, and he left
really fast, Thank my gosh.But while I was there, the whole
time I was in the hospital,I was having because I've had lots of
those kind of experiences of seeing things. I had all the things out of
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the corner of my eye, thingscrawling, the ghost cap that appears in
my life from now and then allthe all the weirdness it was. It
was. It was off the chartsparent activity that was happening. Yeah,
and when you add the pharmacia,you know, it exponentially gets worse.
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And I do also, I liketo kind of demystify things as well,
you know, because yes, thereis a lot of this stuff going on.
But what's what's interesting about the technologythat they're taking advantage of is let's
just demystify it for a moment.The human ear is designed to hear frequencies
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from six hurts or higher, soa THEATA wave is between four and eight
hurts. So if you go onlineand you find these YouTube videos to sleep
too, it's six point three hurts. Is the is the pure tones or
the binaural beat music like that youlisten to as you fall asleep, that
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is optimal for pineal gland activation,out of body experiences, lucid dreaming,
et cetera, et cetera. Now, what's interesting about the six hurts threshold.
Six point three is just slightly abovewhat can be heard by the human
ear. But if you've got somethingthat is operating at less than six hurts,
and we're not talking about anything nefarioushere, nothing to mind. I'm
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talking about a desk fan, okay, And think in terms of these white
noise machines that people sleep with,these little fans and like little apps and
things like that. There is aphenomenon that when something is operating at a
frequency of less than six hurts,we can't pick it up with our ear,
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but our brain can pick it up, and interestingly, our eyeballs will
vibrate and a lot of times people, you know, like when you see
these ghost hunter shows where they're inthese old buildings and they've got their little,
you know, machines, and they'llgo into a certain place and they'll
all of a sudden feel this dreadand that that would be it could be
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an entity. But you know what, it could be that something in that
old building is operating at beneath sixhurts. Because when something is beneath six
hurts, you will feel a dread, a fear. You'll look around,
you will not feel right, andbecause your eyeballs are vibrating and you're not
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realizing this, the effect of youreyeballs vibrating is you'll see shadows out of
the corner of your eyes. Andso a lot of times when you hear
people say that they looked and there'snothing there. So let's just demystify this.
It could be that they're especially withall of the things that we plug
in and all of our electronics andall of our small appliances, unless you
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want to go around and test thehurts of all your appliances. If you've
got stuff in your bedroom, likeyou're sleeping with a little fan that operates
at five hurts or something. Andanother phenomenon is like an audio hallucination if
something is under six hurts. I'vehad this happen, and I've had other
people write to me and tell meabout it. When you go to bed
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at night, you hear off inthe distance. It almost sounds like it's
three houses down. It sounds likean old time radio, like nineteen twenties
kind of music. Let me burn. Yeah, I've ended that. Yes,
And it could be something spiritual orit actually could just be something in
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your room that is buzzing at lessthan six hurts and there. So I
just want people to understand that thereare audio and visual phenomenons and hallucinations.
Not everything. Doesn't have to bea demon after you. When you get
to the point where you understand thatsomething's poltergeist activity or paranormal activity or demonic
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activity, you are seeing dozens anddozens of dots connecting. There's many different
things happen hapening. It's not justevery once in a while at night I
hear I think, I hear aradio. There's got to be more to
it. This is a story Ikind of give as an example. I
worked with a gal once and sheknew I was a Christian, and so
she came to me one morning terrifiedbecause she knew she had a demon in
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her room. And I wasn't,you know, trying to be disrespectful,
but I said, what you're describingactually sounds like mice in the walls.
I said, have you have youchecked to see if you have mice in
the walls? And she was sodisappointed because she wanted this like super scary,
you know, peripolating the empire story. And I said, well,
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you know what, you just check. And well she ended up coming to
me several weeks later and saying thatthey found mouse poop and all the drawers
and they literally legitimately did have micein the house. And so I think
sometimes we can in this day andage, we can be a little too
eager sometimes for it to be somethingspooky, and we do kind of have
to take a step back sometimes noteverything has to be that all of hell
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is coming down on you and yourfamily, and so just we really do
have to have some intellectual responsibility,especially if you're a Christian or if you
have some sort of deliverance ministry capabilities, and people are coming to you,
people are going to come to youwith all sorts of stories. And if
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we just jump on that bandwagon writefrom the get go and we start talking
about demons, and you can actuallyif nothing is going on in someone's life
and you're giving them all this counselof what they should be praying, and
they're in their house declaring things outloud, you can actually open doors and
make them susceptible to things that we'renever going on to begin with. So
we really have to be spiritually responsiblewith the advice that we're giving to people.
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Because there are things that happen inour house that just scare us to
death and there might not be anythingto it. We have to we have
to kind of ask a few questionsbefore we jump to that conclusion. Of
course, Yeah, I always absolutelydo the what's a logical, natural reason
for this happening? So when Ihear the radio thing, I just assume
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somebody down the street as a radiogoing or something, So yes, and
a comment too. I just wantto I'm a very old time listener of
the whole community of the fringe Christiansand La Marzouli and just to hear your
voice, and unfortunately I'm not onthe camera, but I can hear you
guys be a phone. It justit brings me back the level of quality
Vicky Joy and your authority and justyour command of the subject is a level
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of authenticity that we just don't havein the podcast here anymore. It just
brings me back to the old things, really high quality and really professional.
So I just applause you in yourwork. And to that, to what
you were saying, I would liketo add and ask and maybe even comment
on the idea that with this adventof social media and now incoming Apple Vision
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pro Neurlink, it seems to methat we're really seeing a next level of
kind of mind control via the oldmagician tricks, sleight of hands, CIA
whatever, propaganda commercials that subtle influence. But then that also seems to kind
of breach into the spirit realm.You know, I'm not a big cern
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fanatic of portals opening all the timeeverywhere, but gosh, we're really seeing
a mass psychosis of society. Sojust to that what you're saying here,
I mean, you don't even needit to be ghosts appearing in the room.
I mean I'm in a giant housealone right now, and I'm looking
around, you know, it's kindof creepy. So a great time to
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be listening to this. But yeah, like, I mean, what do
you think about this advent of technologyof social media, people staring at their
phones all the time. Half thepopulation thinks the earth is flat? Now,
I mean, where is all thisgoing you know to this time?
Yeah? Yeah, I am extremelyinterested and have been doing a lot of
research with where technology is taking us. I just did a lengthy, like
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two hour program with Paul Stobbs onhis podcast He's Out of the UK,
and our whole show was about thetech and we talked about the vision pro
and there's supplements awesome, Yeah,where they're not even hiding anymore. There's
there's a supplement now called pioneal xT and its this it's this combination of
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a bunch of herbs that in combinationwith meditation, this supplement is just going
to help you to astro project andget in touch with your real self.
Yeah, it's great. Wow.So here's kind of where I'm going to
start. With the Biblical lens first, and that is one of the scriptures
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that you know, we all quoteall the time because it's kind of our
consolation when we feel stress, styleare anxious, and that it's like,
you know, finally, brothers,whatever's true, whatever's pure, whatever's noble,
you know. And so we quotethat verse because we're preaching to ourselves
and we're taking thoughts captive that ifI can keep my mind set on things
that are true and pure and righteousand noble, and then I will have
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this piece that surpasses human understanding.And because I want that piece. But
what I really kind of gleaned outof that verse recently for our times is
we will not have the peace thatsurpasses all human understanding if we meditate and
ruminate, ruminate all day long onthings that aren't true. And we already
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know that half of what we hear, more than half of what we hear
every time we're looking at a screenis a bunch of baloney. We know
it's disinformation. We know it's misinformation. We know that there's shills and trolls,
we know there's gatekeepers, we knowthat a lot of the reality is
scripted, we know that a lotof it is mind control. So if
we know that it's fake news,if we're going to say all day long,
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fake news, fake news, butthen we're going to continue to digest
it all day long. First ofall, we are not going to have
the piece that passes human understanding becausewe're not following the formula. But at
what point, as believers, arewe actually crossing the line and sinning because
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we are willfully immersing ourselves all daylong in things that we know is not
true, and then at the endof the day, we don't have peace,
and we're confused or we forget it'sall fake, and we start to
believe it, and then we startto fear our future, and then we're
super stressed out, and so thenwe need to relax. So then we
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start Eastern meditating and doing all ofthis stuff to relax and get into our
data, and it becomes this viciouscircle. And if all we did was
take that one verse seriously that weare supposed to be meditating on things that
are true, that's half the problemright there. So we can talk all
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day long about the emerging technology,and I'm very interested in that and I
am doing a lot of research onthat, but we really could nip this
whole entire thing in the bud ifwe just decided, as followers of Jesus
Christ to just take them at hisword and stop meditating all day long on
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stuff that we know isn't true,because in some bizarre way, we like
the high of it. We likethe adrenaline rush. It's just like any
other addiction. You fill yourself upwith all of this all day long,
and it feels good, and thenthere's this hangover waiting for us where it's
like, oh, you know what, it was really cool accumulating all that
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arcane knowledge all day long. Butnow I have a hangover because now I
realize that if any of that stuff, if even half of that stuff is
true, this world is spinning outof control. And I'm in a terrifying
position therein and and so it's thisvicious cycle, and I just think that
we have to as Christians. Ithink we need to reacclimate our appetites for
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things that are true and pure andlovely and excellent and admirable and praiseworthy.
And the fact of the matter is, because we're a flesh and because we're
fallen, we are somewhat bored withthe things that are praiseworthy and beautiful and
pure and righteous, and we're goingto the trough that we're going to the
same trough that Babylon and Egypt aregoing to, and somehow we are voraciously
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feeding at this trough all day andat the end of the end of the
night, we can't figure out whywe have a stomach. You sure,
absolutely, Tiki Jo, I wantedto ask you about this app and I'm
glad that you brought in the scientificaspect and the biblical aspect together, that
it's basically, you know, oneand the same. A lot of people
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think that science is antithetical to theBible and vice versa, but they're they're
really one and the same. It'sjust different, a different angle or perspective,
I guess. So I'm glad thatyou brought about the hurts or I'm
sorry, not the hurts, butthe what were you saying, the un
measurement for the sound, the frequencyis the hurts? The frequency? Right,
Yeah, that's what you meant,I mean, that's what That's what
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I meant, is the frequency.And and I actually had listened to vinral
beats before, and it's interesting thaton YouTube there's tons of nyorural beats,
you know, and they're touting healthbenefits anywhere from weight loss to changing the
color of your hair and your eyesand everything, simply because they're speaking subliminal
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things to you while the music isblasting in your ears. And I had
listened to it for weight loss orwhatever, and I can tell that there
was a little bit of a change. And I'm thinking, Okay, that's
interesting that some of them are subliminaland some of them are. It's supposedly
the wavelength or the frequency, likeyou said, is supposed to hit the
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fat cells in one's body or whateverthrough the ear gates. But at the
same time, you know, likeso I think that that's probably scientific in
terms of like the the frequencies thereof, but I think that it's definitely a
dangerous thing that that's Let's say,for example, there's some whoever it is
that made the music, made thebinaural beats. They can speak something,
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for example, like you know,oh, you know, you're going to
have you know, you know,or you'll regal free you know in twenty
four hours, you know, Andthey might be saying these positive affirmations whatever.
But who's to say they're not sayingsomething you know, new agey or
demonic or whatever, like you areyour own God or something. I mean,
we don't know that because it fallsbeneath the level of our conscious understanding.
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So I stopped listening to the subliminalsand vinral beats or whatever. I
think that it may be okay forthe isochronic tones, which is just like
just a tone that's supposed to influenceyour mind, but then again that could
be dangerous too. But what Iwanted to lead in was this app.
And one of the podcasts I'd listenedto he interviewed I think, don I
think you know what I'm talking about? So one of these Christian podcasters that
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I listened to, he interviewed somebodywho was like the CEO or the owner
of this this app that's in mybook Straight Up Divination. And what it
was was what it is is thatthis particular app, you're supposed to think
of a theme. It could be. It could be anything, could be
life, death, dogs, cats, butterflies, you know, even even
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God and church stuff. You're supposedto not say it, not google it,
not even enter it into the app, but you're just supposed to think
on it. And supposedly it's supposedto give you three random coordinates that are
truly random, that are because Iguess a computer, if you ask it
for three random coordinates on the Earth, that it will those are not random.
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But in this app, it's supposedto be truly random coordinates on the
Earth that Google Maps will send youto. And I tried it once and
I thought of God and Jesus,and it sent me to two places that
weren't really relative to that. Butthen it actually sent me to a church
nearby, and I just thought it. But it was so weird that night,
Vicki Joy, I really do thinkthat I opened the door to the
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enemy. This was like a couplemonths after or a couple months before we
had our podcast together. I hadto repent because I googled that particular app
and other people were saying that theyhad paranormal experiences as a result of using
the app, and they deleted it, and I repent it said God forgive
me if this was defination. Therewere like things were moving around. I
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heard weird noises, saw weird things, and I really think that it opened
the door to the enemy. AndI repented. I took off the app,
and so and the CEO of thecompany, it's it. Honestly,
it sounds like he knows that it'sa cult, because when this podcaster asked
him, is is this a cult? And he said, absolutely, it
is. And I'm like and somethinking, okay, well if it's maybe
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it's just scientific or whatever. Andlike it was even in the New York
Times where some kids thought of death. I guess they were. They had
a fascination and it sent them tothis luggage in the woods in New York,
I think, and it was I'msorry it was covered by the New
York Times. I'm not sure ifit happened in New York, but these
kids saw this suitcase and there wasa dead body in it, and that
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that's because they just thought of it. And anyway, so have you have
you heard of something similar where wherethe enemies use can use the cell phone
almost like a Ouiji board? Haveyou thought? I haven't heard of that
app in particular. But what I'mfinding is I've done a little bit of
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preliminary research just on what these quantumcomputers are, and I have some theories
about it, and I'm not reallyready to speak intelligently on it because i
haven't done a lot of research.But at some point, what we're being
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told is that at some point computersare going to become so sophisticated that they're
going to turn sentient. Right now, what I think this is just my
theory at this point in time,with the limited information that I have.
What I think that they're preparing usfor there is I don't think that our
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computers are going to all of asudden become sentient. I don't think silicone
and wires and all that are goingto become sentient. What I think is
going to happen is technology is goingto become so sophisticated. Our augmented reality
is going to be indifferent from regularreality. The two are going to blend.
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We're not going to be able totell the two apart. And what's
going to happen is at some pointthey are going to swap out the technology
for actual sentient beings. And it'snot going to be that the technology was,
you know, an evolutionary process.It's that the technology is going to
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mimic these entities to the point wherewhen the real entities take over, we
won't It'll be so seamless, wewon't understand anymore that it's not the technology.
Now an interesting piece of information ifyou go all the way back almost
well, I think two hundred yearsinto like the mid eighteen early eighteen hundreds,
there was a rabbi who was considereda guru named our Hillel. And
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our Helll is quoted extensively by theGone of Vilna, which is like the
krem Ula creme of all cabalistic teachers. Right, So we're talking extremely occultic
judaic mysticism here and the r Hellalhis definition of the end times. Okay,
And when you think of cabalistic endtimes, don't think biblical end times.
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When we hear end times, wethink Jesus coming back and the seals
and the bulls. The end timesin a cabalistic state is the end of
humanity as we know, at theend of Earth being populated by beings in
the image of God. We're goingto get our great reset. It's going
to be our new Golden Era,our new world order, whatever you want
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to call it. And that's theirend times, you know, is when
this phase of humanity fizzles out.So Our Helll said that the four benchmarks
of the end times will be theconfluence or the coming together of Torah,
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Kabbala, science and technology. Soit's fascinating to me that someone two hundred
years ago is using the word technologyright, that that word probably didn't even
mean two hundred years ago what itmeans to us today. And maybe there
was something pathetic there. Maybe thatwas arcane knowledge, Maybe that was watch
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your technology, you know, maybethat was something revealed to him. But
the fact of the matter is weare now living in a time where the
Christian Church is awakening to Torah,and hebret roots that here uts movement is
slowly and not so subtly being overtakenby Kabala. Because if you just tell
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an average dumb Christian like, hey, this is Jewish, they're not going
to know the difference between Judaism,Biblical Judaism, Jewish mysticism, and Kabbala.
Like they're not going to know ifit came from the talent or if
it came from some gnostic text.We don't know. It's blind leading blind.
And so you've got Tora, you'vegot Kabala. It used to be
sort of like a secret society.If you were in the Kabala and you
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gave away the Kabala secrets, theywould kill you. You are not allowed
to share that with anyone who wasnot an initiate. And so now you've
got books on every shelf, youcan order them on Amazon. You've got
people on YouTube, influencers giving awayall of these secrets. Why all of
a sudden is it okay to sayall this stuff? Because we're coming to
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that point where science and technology andthe Torah and Kabbala are all coming together
in one big gooey ball. Andit's because they're planning on unleashing their new
world system. What we don't knowis God going to stop them? Is
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it's going to be another Tower ofBattle situation where God comes down and says,
not today, Satan, right,because they don't get to choose.
That's ultimately the thing. If itwas up to the to the nefarious elites,
it would be the end tomorrow.But it's not up to them.
And that's the thing that we justdon't know. HM on that. At
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the beginning of your book, Isaw you tying together the well. First
you noted this separation of science andexperience paranormal experience, and then you were
tying those together together. You basicallyyou were saying that this spiritual we need
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to get back to a time andthe spiritual and the science were all one
interacting thing. And this sounds likea bad for a bad a negative form
of that. Yeah, yeah,absolutely. So basically we are sort of
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in a place of blissful ignorance becausescience gets to be over here in their
corner, doing and saying whatever theywant and what their findings don't have to
be consistent with or congruent with anythingspiritual or biblical, because it's their own
spurtout science. Right. But thenover here you've got the Church, and
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there was never a separation between thetwo. I mean, if you go
even in the Old Testament, there'sthat passage where Jesus heals the leper,
and I mean Luke is right therewith him. He's with his disciples.
Luke's a physician. Okay, Ijust cured you of leprosy. Go and
get a second opinion from Luke.I got my guy right here. No,
he goes go to the temple andpresent yourself for the high priest.
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He didn't get sent to a hospital. He didn't get sent to a physician.
Because back then, in both inboth the Hebrew world and in the
seventy Nations, their healing temples wereone and the same. So you've got
you know, Jahweh's Tabernacle where youknow, you would go to the high
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priest if you had leprosy, youwould go to the high priest, you
know, to to check out thered spots and all that. And then
in the in the pagan world,they had the Esclepeons, which the serpent,
god of healing, and I gointo detail in my book about that.
And so these temples were also healingtemples. And healing has always been
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in the realms of spirituality. Imean, Jesus came, he wasn't just
preaching, He wasn't just a preacher. He healed the sick. And you
know, in today's generation, we'dbe like, well, do you want
to be a pastor or a doctor? Pick one? And I think the
doctors should be healing people. We'regoing to the doctors because the pastors don't
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want to do it anymore. Thatmakes me sad. We've we've we've lost
it and and and it's especially difficultwhen you go to go to the doctors
and they tell you, well,this is incurable, and more and more
and more things they're telling us,all this all all of these autoimmune diseases,
there's no cure. There's no cure. I don't believe that, first
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of all. And what we're doingis we're just we're going into these hospitals
and we're just running into brick wallsand dead ends, and then people the
mesibo effects takes hold, which isthe opposite of the placebo effect. The
mesibo effect is if we think somethingis true, it can manifest physically.
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So if a doctor tells you youwill never be cured of this, your
brain is not going to be workingin conjunction with the rest of your body
to heal, like our body shouldrespond to commands of healing. But we
now have healers who aren't telling usbe healed. In the name of Jesus,
I'm going to put hands on you. I'm going to pray for your
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healing. They're using their words ascurses and spells. Maybe not intentionally,
they don't know that they're doing that. But when people who are sick come
into your care and all you sayis this is in cure, Well there's
nothing you can do. You havethree months to live, You're like speaking
death over that person. Yeah wow, hmm, yeah, right. Thinking
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about my sister in law. Theykeep she's got this cancer that she just
always has to get treated for it, and they told her there's no cure.
She's believing Jesus, she's trusting theLord for healing. But I think
there's a part of it it's justaccepted that this is her life now.
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M h. Yeah. This isa deep This is a passionate thing for
me. You know. I thinkabout the woman all the time who snuck
her way through the crowd and grabbedonto Jesus' seats, right, And I
pray. I pray about that alot, and I say, you know,
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and I got nothing to complain about, you guys. I'm in good
health, like I mean, Imean, I got things that I need
fixed, you know, And soI'll pray and I'll say, you know,
Jesus, it would be really easyif you were right here, if
you were in front of me,Like I'd be like, look the good
dear of Limp, and I latchonto those things, right, you know,
and I get my healing, likebecause if you're standing right there in
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front of me, and but you'renot physically standing in front of me right
now, but you're the same yesterday, today and forever, and your compassions
never fail. And I know thatsometimes Jesus prolongs healing because it's a growing
there's things he wants us to learn. And I get that. And eventually
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there's going to be a point inall of our lives where the answer is
going to be no, because weall die like so eventually, you know.
But I pray, and I say, Jesus, how do we in
the twenty first century access those fringes? Like honestly, you know, And
I'm not saying we need some sortof talisman, but I'm saying, how
do we make context with our fingersbut with our faith? How by faith
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do we touch those fringes? Howdo we how are how do we become
the ones where you're up and Heavenshaken your head going, I faith like
this has not been seen in Israel, Oh my gosh, you are healed
like and we don't see a lotof this anymore. I mean, we
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see the healing services, you know, but we don't see what happened in
twenty twenty, you guys, wherewas the church? Where was the anointing?
What in the world happened to ouranointing in twenty twenty? And I
mean this is a serious question.This is not rhetorical and I've been trying
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to figure it out for three yearsnow, Like what did we do to
let go of the tassels? Andwe can't even pray for a loved one
with some sort of advanced blue Yeah, is that where we're at now?
Jesus was Jesus was raising the dead, And I mean, have you guys
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ever read about leprosy? That isnot the kind of disease that you undo.
Body parts would rocked and fall off, like they would be missing fingers
and noses, and he'd cure them. They're getting fingers and noses back.
And here we are in the twentyfirst century and we can't even pray for
our friend that lost their taste butts. Seriously, where what has happened?
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Yes, there's very very few duringthat time in twenty twenty, there were
very very few churches that remained openand was still ministered and healed the sick
and you know, and delivered peopledemonic oppression and things like that. One
of them they put them in prisonin Tampa. And then there was There's
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been a few, not many,but yeah, absolutely, that is a
valid question for sure. VICKI Joy, Yeah, you know, one of
them, and say that there weresome ministers that did rise up and and
COVID and they were made fun ofReverend Kenneth Copeland. You know, they
were making rap videos about making funof his declaring out of the states.
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You know, oh, you know, like but he wasn't afraid to step
On'm gonna do that. And Ithink until people can repent from making fun
of pastors that are actually confronting disease, they're going to continue to be duped
and join some stupid church where they'repraying that their loved ones get something,
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which yah, that's what was happeningright themselves. Yes, yeah, this
is really important Victy story. Thankyou for touching on this. Yeah,
it is, you know, Imean, this healing thing is really this
needs to come to the fore ofChristian doctrine again because it's being weaponized.
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Illness is being weaponized against us nowand not even the food and all that.
And so if we know that theweapon that's being formed against us is
illness or plague or virus, andwe know that no weapon formed against us
is allowed to prosper, but itseems to be prospering. So what are
what's going on here and the fearlessnessthat we need to have. Like I
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love those passages, like the womanwho grabbed his fringes, and like the
lepers, it was against the Torahto touch an unclean person. That woman
who grabbed the fringes, she wasbreaking the law touching someone and exposing him.
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She had a flow of blood andshe touched a clean man, and
in he break law. All thesepeople that were touching Jesus, he was
having to go and do the wholeTorah, like the purification rich, like
he was constantly out of love forthese people over and over again, having
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to go home and doing those purificationrituals because these unclean people were touching him.
But what's amazing about Jesus is whenlepers touched him, or women with
the flow of blood touched him,he did not get sick, he did
not get unclean. He he curedthem, his his purity went to them.
The transfer was honest then, AndI just I was so frustrated in
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the last few years with all this, like being afraid of other people,
Like we're being taught to be afraidof people and to freak out if we
heard someone sneeze and like Jesus movedon. Oh yes, I mean Jesus
touched these people, yes, right, and like we are not following in
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his footsteps. And I just think, if we really are going to believe
that no weapon formed against us willprosper, and a weapon that they've formed
against us is prospering, it isprospering, then we need to take a
look at ourselves. We need tolook in the mirror. We need to
say what has happened. If Jesussaid that we all have an anointing to
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heal the sick, then the churchshould have shut that thing down in a
week. Yeah, I agree,Yeah, absolutely, Vicky Joy. Sorry,
so this for some reason I thoughtof this. There was a deliverance
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minister that was on our show maybea couple months after we and Michael and
I talked to you, and hesaid that the Lord spoke to his heart
and said, you know, prayfor this woman who came up to him
and asked for prayer for her gibbersymptoms. And I know this is probably
going to get blocked on Gibber,but oh well, I want to speak
the truth that it would be afraidof being censored or band or whatever.
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You know, if Gibber won't takeus, I know that you know,
another platform will, right, youknow. So so this particular deliverous minister,
the Lord spoke to him and said, you need to pray for her.
And then so he started praying forher like you know, Lord,
healer of you know, jibber,blah blah blah. And then the Lord
spoke to him and rebuked him andsaid in a loving way and said,
no, pray for her the wayI taught you to pray. And the
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Lord spoke to him and said,she whatever giver she has, like rebuke
that, you know, whatever,you know, whatever gibber that she had
received, you know, whether itwas Astrosenca or whatever. This is gonna
sound crazy, but so he shehe asked her, so, what what
pharmaceutical manufacturer was the gibber and shesaid it was Astrosenica. And she and
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he actually said, you know,I command that spirit of Asenica to come
out of you in the name ofJesus. And she started like manifesting the
demon with all of the symptoms fromfrom you know. And I'm not saying
that the flu is in one's mind. I mean, I know, people
such as myself, you know whoare legitimately ill? You know that that
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was I think it's a spiritual thingand a physical thing with these jibber What
do you think, Vicky Joy?Oh Man, I mean it's it's definitely
pharmaceutical. But yeah, I alsobelieve there's some watcher tech in this.
There there are things there is,yes, definitely aspect of ritual or spell
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casting. Obviously what's going on inthis country it's likened und the black magic.
I mean that the entire planet isunder a spell right now, a
fear of there. It is ablending and so when I just think about
the this, when you start readingthings that are potentially in that this is
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not stuff that anyone in who wentto medical school would think to put into
a cure. Right, So theyknow things that that I think were supernaturally
given to them, and this thisconcoction is doing. I mean, because
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here's the thing we were told thisis so you don't catch it or get
it again. But then after yougot it, they're like, well you
can catch it and you can giveit away. So then what is what
is that serum for? Right?What is it for? I mean obviously
they don't they don't give away millionsof dollars of money in their black budgets
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for nothing. They need that,they need that money. So if this
isn't to make sure that you don'tget sick or that you don't catch it,
but there's a very specific formula towhat's in there, then what is
it for? What is it for? Mm hm, very good question.
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I think a lot of people Idon't want to get you in trouble.
No, please do No. Iwant to speak the truth, you know.
I'm tired of censoring myself and otherpeople. No, please, don
Vicky Michael, please go ahead andsay what you want to say. It's
as it's played out, It's clearwhat it's for. It's clear that they
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are trying to change us, tokill us off. I mean people when
they showed the videos, when whenit first started happening, and they showed
the videos in China and people justdropping dead in the middle of the street,
that wasn't happening, and that didn'thappen when we went through all that
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here. But what that did starthappening was after people started getting the job.
That's when people just out of theblue just started dropping My son,
my oldest son just eat and die, thank you Lord. But he just
perfectly healthy, thirty five year oldjust passed out for no reason. And
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even the vas telling him, well, I was probably that, you know.
So it's clear. It's it's clearthat it is meant to kill us.
And they said that it's keeping womenfrom getting pregnant. It's all the
things that they wanted to accomplish.So no more babies, no more you
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know, young people dying, youngmen, young young teenage boys. Yeah,
it's quite clear. You know,people are getting cancer because of it,
people are dying because of it.Yeah, it's it's yeah. I
mean I'm one of those people,and I just got it. This is
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what I see. This is whatI see, And I remember talking about
this happening, and I would tellpeople about what she was saying that oh,
that'll never have But he's out ofthe bag. And here's the thing,
and it's not that no weapon formedagainst this shell prosper. That's what
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men. That's right. And youknow, we do need to talk about
this. We do need to informpeople. And so I'm not saying we
shouldn't be talking about this, butwe also need to expand the conversation because
like, look, the evil peoplein the world are doing what they've always
done and what they're always going todo until they're finally put away. We
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should not be shocked and surprised thatthese people are going to continue to cause
trouble. You know, Molek isalways going to be after the children,
and there's always going to be war, There's always going to be plague.
We know this. You know,at what point do we include in the
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conversation why did the church fall sohard? Like, yeah, I mean
my church in Minnesota they shut theirdoors before it even became a mandate in
Minnesota to do it. They wereahead of they were ahead of the curve.
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And when you're ahead of walls,you're really you know. And so
the fact of the matter is whenyou've got churches closing their doors and reprimanding
people for lingering after the service talkingto each other, you've got pastors breaking
up, people hugging. I mean, come on, why did we fall
so hard? We should have beenfearless. And I mean in the Book
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of Hebrews, it says do notweary in gathering together, as some do,
especially in these end times. Sothere's like a double command that as
things get worse, and as persecutionit's worse as it gets worse. That
is the time that we never stopcongregating and meeting together and fellowshipping and being
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the body. And so it wasso distressing to me, you guys,
and the way that Peter and theBook of Peter, in the Book of
Romans, Peter and Paul were beingmisquoted and all the stuff about being subjected
to governing authorities. If you readthose scriptures, it doesn't say to subject
yourself to tyranny. It says tosubject help to authority. Because they're upholding
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the law to God and they're upholdingrighteousness. You just obey them. You're
unrighteous because you're following tyranny. Andso if tyranny takes over, we're not
obligated to follow tyranny. And sojust the inability of the church to see
this coming, to band together toI know there are people out there praying
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and fasting. I'm not saying everybody, but here we are three four years
later, and I guess
A lot of people that have theseexperiences will feel sort of oppressed or paranoid
or freaked out the rest of theday, or they're a little unsettled.
When that's because sometimes these things theirintent isn't to possess you. Their intent
is just to scare you, getyou to engage so that there's a connection,
so that they can attach. Soit's just saying go away. You
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actually have to kind of do someaftercare. And that is because a lot
of this is starting in the dreamworld, and we don't necessarily remember all
of the dream and there can beattachments. You know, there's no formulaic
prayer here, but I always praythings when I wake up and I have
that sense of foreboting, like Ican't really remember what I dreamed, but
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I don't feel quite right. Andso I'll say, Father, if anything
happened in my dreams that I can'tremember, I pray that you would annull
every oath, covenant, agreement,contract that was made annulled in the name
of Jesus, cover me with theblood of Jesus, and close this door.
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All right, well, we're excitedto have you on board here,
Vicki Joy. I know it's beenkind of a challenge for our schedules,
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and you know I was or myhusband was sick and and you weren't feeling
well, and it's all I'm thankfuland it all came together. So thank
you so much for your time,Vicky Joy. I know it's precious,
so awesome, awesome. So we'reexcited to have you on board and to
hear all about your latest and greatestprojects here. And I know that you've
you've got your book, but justwas well, first of all, let
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me just go ahead and introduce anamazing woman who needs no introduction, is
Vicky Joy Anderson and whose book isthey Only come out at Night about not
only sleep paralysis, but a deepdive into it and discussing it from a
biblical perspective. And it's sponsored byand none of them La Marzouli on Lamarzuli
dot Net. Is that right toVicky Joy? Correct? Yes? Great?
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Great, Well Vicki Joy, Well, well, okay, I'm sorry.
First of all, let me introducealso my great co hosts here.
I'm Jerrelyn Peach and I've got myco host Michael Basham, who's called in.
Welcome Michael, howdy, Thank you. Absolutely, we're glad that you're
on board as well, in spiteof your challenges in the mountains. And
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we've got Don Elliott and she's withher new podcast, New Dawn Podcast,
So welcome aboard as well. Hey, and so we are so blessed to
have Vicky Joy on board here.So, Vicky Joy, please tell us
about your your latest and greatest projectssince they Only come Out at Night or
whatever revelations new revelations that God hasshown you since the last time we chatted.
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I think maybe perhaps April of twentytwenty three, I think, yeah,
yeah, Well, I'm working onanother book. I'm kind of have
it done by March early April.We'll see about that, So more details
on that hopefully in maybe summertime.And working on a few other projects of
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my sleeve. And we got throughthe Black going on. We're taking a
little hiatus because Tom want to bea first time BRANDPA, So congres yes,
please take February off. I'm goingto be doing a lot of conferences
this starting in May, lots ofconferences in May and some in July.
And I just basically still doing thepodcast circuit. I've been meeting some amazing
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people, having great conversations, andI tell you so much has come out
of these conversations since the book gotwritten. A lot of things have been
validated and confirmed, as well asa lot of new information that's come in.
I'm really starting to see how thesleep paralysis experience is morphing and changing
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with our change in culture and withthe different generations. And I don't really
have any plans to write more bookson sleep paralysis. I'm not saying that
it wouldn't happen, but sure,I'm definitely seeing that the younger generations and
with all of the AI and thetechnology sleep paralysis is probably not going to
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look the way it did to thegen xers and the baby boomers much longer,
right right, in what way?Wow, it is now more of
an augmented reality. It's not reallyasleep. It is because of all of
the frequencies and the pure tones thatare in music, like the brain synchronizing
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binaural beats, et cetera, aswell as all of the mind altering substances,
the medication that people are on andfrequencies the Wi Fi, the five
G. People are more now experiencingthese interactions with these beings and these entities
kind of during the waking hours.You know, you really you only have
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to be in an altered state ofconsciousness to communicate with these beings. And
the more our technology progresses, themore we are somewhat in alpha states and
data states, much more than isnatural. We should be in waking hours,
we should be at the very leastin a vada state. But when
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we are really cognitively functioning, likewe're at work or we're problem solving,
or we are consternated over something thatwe're reading or heavy reading, then you're
in a gamma. Your brain isat a gamma gamma waves, and so
really the I call I actually thinkthat the biblical mandate for where what brain
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wave we're supposed to be in isthe gamma that's the high high functioning thirty
five hurtz or higher, because itsays to be soberminded and vigilant for your
enemy prowls around like a roaring lion. So what Eastern mysticism, which is
creeping into the church and into medicineand into science and psychiatry, is all
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of the things that they are suggestingthat people do to de stress and to
relax. Many of these practices andthese things that they're promoting for good well
being and good health and good mentalhealth are actually things that very quickly put
you into a theata state, whichis a state that you are only really
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supposed to experience when you are asleep. It's not a good waking state to
be in. You're very susceptible.The veil is thin. And I think
that what is very intentionally going onis that these entities are going to have
more access to more people because Idon't think we have to be drunk,
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high, or asleep to have theseencounters with beings anymore. That's frustrating.
That's frustrating. I have a lotof questions since I started reading your book.
I'm wondering, though, what thatlooks like. You know, in
a waking how does that How wouldthat play out? Like they're sitting on
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their compute or watching a YouTube video, and how does that work? It's
basically the same thing as sleep paralysis, except instead of being you know,
glued to your bed not being ableto move, you're sitting at your desk
or you're doing your dishes and you'llsee something out of the corner of their
eye and they'll they will turn andthey will see the red glowing eyes.
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They'll see the shadowmen, they'll seethe hat men, they'll see demonic manifestations.
They'll see things slithering on the floor, snakelike creatures, cryptids, And
unfortunately, because there's not a lotof training in the church. The first
thing, what you're more readily ableto do awake than asleep. When you're
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awake, you're lucid, and whenyou're awake you're more prone to say,
who are you? What do youwant right? What's your name? Now
you've just engaged it. That explainssome things. So I had a experience
when I was in the hospital aboutnine months ago and they had to give
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me really heavy pain killers because therewas an extreme amount of pain. And
they put me in this room bymyself, and there was a bathroom.
There were no other entrances to thebathroom, and the door knob kept turning
and the doctor came in and ithappened when he was there, and I
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go, did you hear that?He goes, yes, and he left
really fast, Thank my gosh.But while I was there, the whole
time I was in the hospital,I was having because I've had lots of
those kind of experiences of seeing things. I had all the things out of
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the corner of my eye, thingscrawling, the ghost cap that appears in
my life from now and then allthe all the weirdness it was. It
was. It was off the chartsparent activity that was happening. Yeah,
and when you add the pharmacia,you know, it exponentially gets worse.
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And I do also, I liketo kind of demystify things as well,
you know, because yes, thereis a lot of this stuff going on.
But what's what's interesting about the technologythat they're taking advantage of is let's
just demystify it for a moment.The human ear is designed to hear frequencies
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from six hurts or higher, soa THEATA wave is between four and eight
hurts. So if you go onlineand you find these YouTube videos to sleep
too, it's six point three hurts. Is the is the pure tones or
the binaural beat music like that youlisten to as you fall asleep, that
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is optimal for pineal gland activation,out of body experiences, lucid dreaming,
et cetera, et cetera. Now, what's interesting about the six hurts threshold.
Six point three is just slightly abovewhat can be heard by the human
ear. But if you've got somethingthat is operating at less than six hurts,
and we're not talking about anything nefarioushere, nothing to mind. I'm
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talking about a desk fan, okay, And think in terms of these white
noise machines that people sleep with,these little fans and like little apps and
things like that. There is aphenomenon that when something is operating at a
frequency of less than six hurts,we can't pick it up with our ear,
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but our brain can pick it up, and interestingly, our eyeballs will
vibrate and a lot of times people, you know, like when you see
these ghost hunter shows where they're inthese old buildings and they've got their little,
you know, machines, and they'llgo into a certain place and they'll
all of a sudden feel this dreadand that that would be it could be
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an entity. But you know what, it could be that something in that
old building is operating at beneath sixhurts. Because when something is beneath six
hurts, you will feel a dread, a fear. You'll look around,
you will not feel right, andbecause your eyeballs are vibrating and you're not
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realizing this, the effect of youreyeballs vibrating is you'll see shadows out of
the corner of your eyes. Andso a lot of times when you hear
people say that they looked and there'snothing there. So let's just demystify this.
It could be that they're especially withall of the things that we plug
in and all of our electronics andall of our small appliances, unless you
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want to go around and test thehurts of all your appliances. If you've
got stuff in your bedroom, likeyou're sleeping with a little fan that operates
at five hurts or something. Andanother phenomenon is like an audio hallucination if
something is under six hurts. I'vehad this happen, and I've had other
people write to me and tell meabout it. When you go to bed
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at night, you hear off inthe distance. It almost sounds like it's
three houses down. It sounds likean old time radio, like nineteen twenties
kind of music. Let me burn. Yeah, I've ended that. Yes,
And it could be something spiritual orit actually could just be something in
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your room that is buzzing at lessthan six hurts and there. So I
just want people to understand that thereare audio and visual phenomenons and hallucinations.
Not everything. Doesn't have to bea demon after you. When you get
to the point where you understand thatsomething's poltergeist activity or paranormal activity or demonic
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activity, you are seeing dozens anddozens of dots connecting. There's many different
things happen hapening. It's not justevery once in a while at night I
hear I think, I hear aradio. There's got to be more to
it. This is a story Ikind of give as an example. I
worked with a gal once and sheknew I was a Christian, and so
she came to me one morning terrifiedbecause she knew she had a demon in
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her room. And I wasn't,you know, trying to be disrespectful,
but I said, what you're describingactually sounds like mice in the walls.
I said, have you have youchecked to see if you have mice in
the walls? And she was sodisappointed because she wanted this like super scary,
you know, peripolating the empire story. And I said, well,
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you know what, you just check. And well she ended up coming to
me several weeks later and saying thatthey found mouse poop and all the drawers
and they literally legitimately did have micein the house. And so I think
sometimes we can in this day andage, we can be a little too
eager sometimes for it to be somethingspooky, and we do kind of have
to take a step back sometimes noteverything has to be that all of hell
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is coming down on you and yourfamily, and so just we really do
have to have some intellectual responsibility,especially if you're a Christian or if you
have some sort of deliverance ministry capabilities, and people are coming to you,
people are going to come to youwith all sorts of stories. And if
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we just jump on that bandwagon writefrom the get go and we start talking
about demons, and you can actuallyif nothing is going on in someone's life
and you're giving them all this counselof what they should be praying, and
they're in their house declaring things outloud, you can actually open doors and
make them susceptible to things that we'renever going on to begin with. So
we really have to be spiritually responsiblewith the advice that we're giving to people.
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Because there are things that happen inour house that just scare us to
death and there might not be anythingto it. We have to we have
to kind of ask a few questionsbefore we jump to that conclusion. Of
course, Yeah, I always absolutelydo the what's a logical, natural reason
for this happening? So when Ihear the radio thing, I just assume
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somebody down the street as a radiogoing or something, So yes, and
a comment too. I just wantto I'm a very old time listener of
the whole community of the fringe Christiansand La Marzouli and just to hear your
voice, and unfortunately I'm not onthe camera, but I can hear you
guys be a phone. It justit brings me back the level of quality
Vicky Joy and your authority and justyour command of the subject is a level
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of authenticity that we just don't havein the podcast here anymore. It just
brings me back to the old things, really high quality and really professional.
So I just applause you in yourwork. And to that, to what
you were saying, I would liketo add and ask and maybe even comment
on the idea that with this adventof social media and now incoming Apple Vision
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pro Neurlink, it seems to methat we're really seeing a next level of
kind of mind control via the oldmagician tricks, sleight of hands, CIA
whatever, propaganda commercials that subtle influence. But then that also seems to kind
of breach into the spirit realm.You know, I'm not a big cern
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fanatic of portals opening all the timeeverywhere, but gosh, we're really seeing
a mass psychosis of society. Sojust to that what you're saying here,
I mean, you don't even needit to be ghosts appearing in the room.
I mean I'm in a giant housealone right now, and I'm looking
around, you know, it's kindof creepy. So a great time to
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be listening to this. But yeah, like, I mean, what do
you think about this advent of technologyof social media, people staring at their
phones all the time. Half thepopulation thinks the earth is flat? Now,
I mean, where is all thisgoing you know to this time?
Yeah? Yeah, I am extremelyinterested and have been doing a lot of
research with where technology is taking us. I just did a lengthy, like
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two hour program with Paul Stobbs onhis podcast He's Out of the UK,
and our whole show was about thetech and we talked about the vision pro
and there's supplements awesome, Yeah,where they're not even hiding anymore. There's
there's a supplement now called pioneal xT and its this it's this combination of
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a bunch of herbs that in combinationwith meditation, this supplement is just going
to help you to astro project andget in touch with your real self.
Yeah, it's great. Wow.So here's kind of where I'm going to
start. With the Biblical lens first, and that is one of the scriptures
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that you know, we all quoteall the time because it's kind of our
consolation when we feel stress, styleare anxious, and that it's like,
you know, finally, brothers,whatever's true, whatever's pure, whatever's noble,
you know. And so we quotethat verse because we're preaching to ourselves
and we're taking thoughts captive that ifI can keep my mind set on things
that are true and pure and righteousand noble, and then I will have
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this piece that surpasses human understanding.And because I want that piece. But
what I really kind of gleaned outof that verse recently for our times is
we will not have the peace thatsurpasses all human understanding if we meditate and
ruminate, ruminate all day long onthings that aren't true. And we already
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know that half of what we hear, more than half of what we hear
every time we're looking at a screenis a bunch of baloney. We know
it's disinformation. We know it's misinformation. We know that there's shills and trolls,
we know there's gatekeepers, we knowthat a lot of the reality is
scripted, we know that a lotof it is mind control. So if
we know that it's fake news,if we're going to say all day long,
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fake news, fake news, butthen we're going to continue to digest
it all day long. First ofall, we are not going to have
the piece that passes human understanding becausewe're not following the formula. But at
what point, as believers, arewe actually crossing the line and sinning because
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we are willfully immersing ourselves all daylong in things that we know is not
true, and then at the endof the day, we don't have peace,
and we're confused or we forget it'sall fake, and we start to
believe it, and then we startto fear our future, and then we're
super stressed out, and so thenwe need to relax. So then we
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start Eastern meditating and doing all ofthis stuff to relax and get into our
data, and it becomes this viciouscircle. And if all we did was
take that one verse seriously that weare supposed to be meditating on things that
are true, that's half the problemright there. So we can talk all
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day long about the emerging technology,and I'm very interested in that and I
am doing a lot of research onthat, but we really could nip this
whole entire thing in the bud ifwe just decided, as followers of Jesus
Christ to just take them at hisword and stop meditating all day long on
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stuff that we know isn't true,because in some bizarre way, we like
the high of it. We likethe adrenaline rush. It's just like any
other addiction. You fill yourself upwith all of this all day long,
and it feels good, and thenthere's this hangover waiting for us where it's
like, oh, you know what, it was really cool accumulating all that
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arcane knowledge all day long. Butnow I have a hangover because now I
realize that if any of that stuff, if even half of that stuff is
true, this world is spinning outof control. And I'm in a terrifying
position therein and and so it's thisvicious cycle, and I just think that
we have to as Christians. Ithink we need to reacclimate our appetites for
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things that are true and pure andlovely and excellent and admirable and praiseworthy.
And the fact of the matter is, because we're a flesh and because we're
fallen, we are somewhat bored withthe things that are praiseworthy and beautiful and
pure and righteous, and we're goingto the trough that we're going to the
same trough that Babylon and Egypt aregoing to, and somehow we are voraciously
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feeding at this trough all day andat the end of the end of the
night, we can't figure out whywe have a stomach. You sure,
absolutely, Tiki Jo, I wantedto ask you about this app and I'm
glad that you brought in the scientificaspect and the biblical aspect together, that
it's basically, you know, oneand the same. A lot of people
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think that science is antithetical to theBible and vice versa, but they're they're
really one and the same. It'sjust different, a different angle or perspective,
I guess. So I'm glad thatyou brought about the hurts or I'm
sorry, not the hurts, butthe what were you saying, the un
measurement for the sound, the frequencyis the hurts? The frequency? Right,
Yeah, that's what you meant,I mean, that's what That's what
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I meant, is the frequency.And and I actually had listened to vinral
beats before, and it's interesting thaton YouTube there's tons of nyorural beats,
you know, and they're touting healthbenefits anywhere from weight loss to changing the
color of your hair and your eyesand everything, simply because they're speaking subliminal
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things to you while the music isblasting in your ears. And I had
listened to it for weight loss orwhatever, and I can tell that there
was a little bit of a change. And I'm thinking, Okay, that's
interesting that some of them are subliminaland some of them are. It's supposedly
the wavelength or the frequency, likeyou said, is supposed to hit the
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fat cells in one's body or whateverthrough the ear gates. But at the
same time, you know, likeso I think that that's probably scientific in
terms of like the the frequencies thereof, but I think that it's definitely a
dangerous thing that that's Let's say,for example, there's some whoever it is
that made the music, made thebinaural beats. They can speak something,
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for example, like you know,oh, you know, you're going to
have you know, you know,or you'll regal free you know in twenty
four hours, you know, Andthey might be saying these positive affirmations whatever.
But who's to say they're not sayingsomething you know, new agey or
demonic or whatever, like you areyour own God or something. I mean,
we don't know that because it fallsbeneath the level of our conscious understanding.
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So I stopped listening to the subliminalsand vinral beats or whatever. I
think that it may be okay forthe isochronic tones, which is just like
just a tone that's supposed to influenceyour mind, but then again that could
be dangerous too. But what Iwanted to lead in was this app.
And one of the podcasts I'd listenedto he interviewed I think, don I
think you know what I'm talking about? So one of these Christian podcasters that
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I listened to, he interviewed somebodywho was like the CEO or the owner
of this this app that's in mybook Straight Up Divination. And what it
was was what it is is thatthis particular app, you're supposed to think
of a theme. It could be. It could be anything, could be
life, death, dogs, cats, butterflies, you know, even even
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God and church stuff. You're supposedto not say it, not google it,
not even enter it into the app, but you're just supposed to think
on it. And supposedly it's supposedto give you three random coordinates that are
truly random, that are because Iguess a computer, if you ask it
for three random coordinates on the Earth, that it will those are not random.
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But in this app, it's supposedto be truly random coordinates on the
Earth that Google Maps will send youto. And I tried it once and
I thought of God and Jesus,and it sent me to two places that
weren't really relative to that. Butthen it actually sent me to a church
nearby, and I just thought it. But it was so weird that night,
Vicki Joy, I really do thinkthat I opened the door to the
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enemy. This was like a couplemonths after or a couple months before we
had our podcast together. I hadto repent because I googled that particular app
and other people were saying that theyhad paranormal experiences as a result of using
the app, and they deleted it, and I repent it said God forgive
me if this was defination. Therewere like things were moving around. I
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heard weird noises, saw weird things, and I really think that it opened
the door to the enemy. AndI repented. I took off the app,
and so and the CEO of thecompany, it's it. Honestly,
it sounds like he knows that it'sa cult, because when this podcaster asked
him, is is this a cult? And he said, absolutely, it
is. And I'm like and somethinking, okay, well if it's maybe
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it's just scientific or whatever. Andlike it was even in the New York
Times where some kids thought of death. I guess they were. They had
a fascination and it sent them tothis luggage in the woods in New York,
I think, and it was I'msorry it was covered by the New
York Times. I'm not sure ifit happened in New York, but these
kids saw this suitcase and there wasa dead body in it, and that
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that's because they just thought of it. And anyway, so have you have
you heard of something similar where wherethe enemies use can use the cell phone
almost like a Ouiji board? Haveyou thought? I haven't heard of that
app in particular. But what I'mfinding is I've done a little bit of
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preliminary research just on what these quantumcomputers are, and I have some theories
about it, and I'm not reallyready to speak intelligently on it because i
haven't done a lot of research.But at some point, what we're being
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told is that at some point computersare going to become so sophisticated that they're
going to turn sentient. Right now, what I think this is just my
theory at this point in time,with the limited information that I have.
What I think that they're preparing usfor there is I don't think that our
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computers are going to all of asudden become sentient. I don't think silicone
and wires and all that are goingto become sentient. What I think is
going to happen is technology is goingto become so sophisticated. Our augmented reality
is going to be indifferent from regularreality. The two are going to blend.
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We're not going to be able totell the two apart. And what's
going to happen is at some pointthey are going to swap out the technology
for actual sentient beings. And it'snot going to be that the technology was,
you know, an evolutionary process.It's that the technology is going to
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mimic these entities to the point wherewhen the real entities take over, we
won't It'll be so seamless, wewon't understand anymore that it's not the technology.
Now an interesting piece of information ifyou go all the way back almost
well, I think two hundred yearsinto like the mid eighteen early eighteen hundreds,
there was a rabbi who was considereda guru named our Hillel. And
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our Helll is quoted extensively by theGone of Vilna, which is like the
krem Ula creme of all cabalistic teachers. Right, So we're talking extremely occultic
judaic mysticism here and the r Hellalhis definition of the end times. Okay,
And when you think of cabalistic endtimes, don't think biblical end times.
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When we hear end times, wethink Jesus coming back and the seals
and the bulls. The end timesin a cabalistic state is the end of
humanity as we know, at theend of Earth being populated by beings in
the image of God. We're goingto get our great reset. It's going
to be our new Golden Era,our new world order, whatever you want
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to call it. And that's theirend times, you know, is when
this phase of humanity fizzles out.So Our Helll said that the four benchmarks
of the end times will be theconfluence or the coming together of Torah,
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Kabbala, science and technology. Soit's fascinating to me that someone two hundred
years ago is using the word technologyright, that that word probably didn't even
mean two hundred years ago what itmeans to us today. And maybe there
was something pathetic there. Maybe thatwas arcane knowledge, Maybe that was watch
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your technology, you know, maybethat was something revealed to him. But
the fact of the matter is weare now living in a time where the
Christian Church is awakening to Torah,and hebret roots that here uts movement is
slowly and not so subtly being overtakenby Kabala. Because if you just tell
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an average dumb Christian like, hey, this is Jewish, they're not going
to know the difference between Judaism,Biblical Judaism, Jewish mysticism, and Kabbala.
Like they're not going to know ifit came from the talent or if
it came from some gnostic text.We don't know. It's blind leading blind.
And so you've got Tora, you'vegot Kabala. It used to be
sort of like a secret society.If you were in the Kabala and you
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gave away the Kabala secrets, theywould kill you. You are not allowed
to share that with anyone who wasnot an initiate. And so now you've
got books on every shelf, youcan order them on Amazon. You've got
people on YouTube, influencers giving awayall of these secrets. Why all of
a sudden is it okay to sayall this stuff? Because we're coming to
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that point where science and technology andthe Torah and Kabbala are all coming together
in one big gooey ball. Andit's because they're planning on unleashing their new
world system. What we don't knowis God going to stop them? Is
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it's going to be another Tower ofBattle situation where God comes down and says,
not today, Satan, right,because they don't get to choose.
That's ultimately the thing. If itwas up to the to the nefarious elites,
it would be the end tomorrow.But it's not up to them.
And that's the thing that we justdon't know. HM on that. At
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the beginning of your book, Isaw you tying together the well. First
you noted this separation of science andexperience paranormal experience, and then you were
tying those together together. You basicallyyou were saying that this spiritual we need
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to get back to a time andthe spiritual and the science were all one
interacting thing. And this sounds likea bad for a bad a negative form
of that. Yeah, yeah,absolutely. So basically we are sort of
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in a place of blissful ignorance becausescience gets to be over here in their
corner, doing and saying whatever theywant and what their findings don't have to
be consistent with or congruent with anythingspiritual or biblical, because it's their own
spurtout science. Right. But thenover here you've got the Church, and
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there was never a separation between thetwo. I mean, if you go
even in the Old Testament, there'sthat passage where Jesus heals the leper,
and I mean Luke is right therewith him. He's with his disciples.
Luke's a physician. Okay, Ijust cured you of leprosy. Go and
get a second opinion from Luke.I got my guy right here. No,
he goes go to the temple andpresent yourself for the high priest.
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He didn't get sent to a hospital. He didn't get sent to a physician.
Because back then, in both inboth the Hebrew world and in the
seventy Nations, their healing temples wereone and the same. So you've got
you know, Jahweh's Tabernacle where youknow, you would go to the high
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priest if you had leprosy, youwould go to the high priest, you
know, to to check out thered spots and all that. And then
in the in the pagan world,they had the Esclepeons, which the serpent,
god of healing, and I gointo detail in my book about that.
And so these temples were also healingtemples. And healing has always been
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in the realms of spirituality. Imean, Jesus came, he wasn't just
preaching, He wasn't just a preacher. He healed the sick. And you
know, in today's generation, we'dbe like, well, do you want
to be a pastor or a doctor? Pick one? And I think the
doctors should be healing people. We'regoing to the doctors because the pastors don't
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want to do it anymore. Thatmakes me sad. We've we've we've lost
it and and and it's especially difficultwhen you go to go to the doctors
and they tell you, well,this is incurable, and more and more
and more things they're telling us,all this all all of these autoimmune diseases,
there's no cure. There's no cure. I don't believe that, first
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of all. And what we're doingis we're just we're going into these hospitals
and we're just running into brick wallsand dead ends, and then people the
mesibo effects takes hold, which isthe opposite of the placebo effect. The
mesibo effect is if we think somethingis true, it can manifest physically.
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So if a doctor tells you youwill never be cured of this, your
brain is not going to be workingin conjunction with the rest of your body
to heal, like our body shouldrespond to commands of healing. But we
now have healers who aren't telling usbe healed. In the name of Jesus,
I'm going to put hands on you. I'm going to pray for your
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healing. They're using their words ascurses and spells. Maybe not intentionally,
they don't know that they're doing that. But when people who are sick come
into your care and all you sayis this is in cure, Well there's
nothing you can do. You havethree months to live, You're like speaking
death over that person. Yeah wow, hmm, yeah, right. Thinking
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about my sister in law. Theykeep she's got this cancer that she just
always has to get treated for it, and they told her there's no cure.
She's believing Jesus, she's trusting theLord for healing. But I think
there's a part of it it's justaccepted that this is her life now.
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M h. Yeah. This isa deep This is a passionate thing for
me. You know. I thinkabout the woman all the time who snuck
her way through the crowd and grabbedonto Jesus' seats, right, And I
pray. I pray about that alot, and I say, you know,
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and I got nothing to complain about, you guys. I'm in good
health, like I mean, Imean, I got things that I need
fixed, you know, And soI'll pray and I'll say, you know,
Jesus, it would be really easyif you were right here, if
you were in front of me,Like I'd be like, look the good
dear of Limp, and I latchonto those things, right, you know,
and I get my healing, likebecause if you're standing right there in
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front of me, and but you'renot physically standing in front of me right
now, but you're the same yesterday, today and forever, and your compassions
never fail. And I know thatsometimes Jesus prolongs healing because it's a growing
there's things he wants us to learn. And I get that. And eventually
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there's going to be a point inall of our lives where the answer is
going to be no, because weall die like so eventually, you know.
But I pray, and I say, Jesus, how do we in
the twenty first century access those fringes? Like honestly, you know, And
I'm not saying we need some sortof talisman, but I'm saying, how
do we make context with our fingersbut with our faith? How by faith
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do we touch those fringes? Howdo we how are how do we become
the ones where you're up and Heavenshaken your head going, I faith like
this has not been seen in Israel, Oh my gosh, you are healed
like and we don't see a lotof this anymore. I mean, we
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see the healing services, you know, but we don't see what happened in
twenty twenty, you guys, wherewas the church? Where was the anointing?
What in the world happened to ouranointing in twenty twenty? And I
mean this is a serious question.This is not rhetorical and I've been trying
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to figure it out for three yearsnow, Like what did we do to
let go of the tassels? Andwe can't even pray for a loved one
with some sort of advanced blue Yeah, is that where we're at now?
Jesus was Jesus was raising the dead, And I mean, have you guys
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ever read about leprosy? That isnot the kind of disease that you undo.
Body parts would rocked and fall off, like they would be missing fingers
and noses, and he'd cure them. They're getting fingers and noses back.
And here we are in the twentyfirst century and we can't even pray for
our friend that lost their taste butts. Seriously, where what has happened?
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Yes, there's very very few duringthat time in twenty twenty, there were
very very few churches that remained openand was still ministered and healed the sick
and you know, and delivered peopledemonic oppression and things like that. One
of them they put them in prisonin Tampa. And then there was There's
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been a few, not many,but yeah, absolutely, that is a
valid question for sure. VICKI Joy, Yeah, you know, one of
them, and say that there weresome ministers that did rise up and and
COVID and they were made fun ofReverend Kenneth Copeland. You know, they
were making rap videos about making funof his declaring out of the states.
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You know, oh, you know, like but he wasn't afraid to step
On'm gonna do that. And Ithink until people can repent from making fun
of pastors that are actually confronting disease, they're going to continue to be duped
and join some stupid church where they'repraying that their loved ones get something,
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which yah, that's what was happeningright themselves. Yes, yeah, this
is really important Victy story. Thankyou for touching on this. Yeah,
it is, you know, Imean, this healing thing is really this
needs to come to the fore ofChristian doctrine again because it's being weaponized.
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Illness is being weaponized against us nowand not even the food and all that.
And so if we know that theweapon that's being formed against us is
illness or plague or virus, andwe know that no weapon formed against us
is allowed to prosper, but itseems to be prospering. So what are
what's going on here and the fearlessnessthat we need to have. Like I
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love those passages, like the womanwho grabbed his fringes, and like the
lepers, it was against the Torahto touch an unclean person. That woman
who grabbed the fringes, she wasbreaking the law touching someone and exposing him.
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She had a flow of blood andshe touched a clean man, and
in he break law. All thesepeople that were touching Jesus, he was
having to go and do the wholeTorah, like the purification rich, like
he was constantly out of love forthese people over and over again, having
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to go home and doing those purificationrituals because these unclean people were touching him.
But what's amazing about Jesus is whenlepers touched him, or women with
the flow of blood touched him,he did not get sick, he did
not get unclean. He he curedthem, his his purity went to them.
The transfer was honest then, AndI just I was so frustrated in
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the last few years with all this, like being afraid of other people,
Like we're being taught to be afraidof people and to freak out if we
heard someone sneeze and like Jesus movedon. Oh yes, I mean Jesus
touched these people, yes, right, and like we are not following in
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his footsteps. And I just think, if we really are going to believe
that no weapon formed against us willprosper, and a weapon that they've formed
against us is prospering, it isprospering, then we need to take a
look at ourselves. We need tolook in the mirror. We need to
say what has happened. If Jesussaid that we all have an anointing to
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heal the sick, then the churchshould have shut that thing down in a
week. Yeah, I agree,Yeah, absolutely, Vicky Joy. Sorry,
so this for some reason I thoughtof this. There was a deliverance
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minister that was on our show maybea couple months after we and Michael and
I talked to you, and hesaid that the Lord spoke to his heart
and said, you know, prayfor this woman who came up to him
and asked for prayer for her gibbersymptoms. And I know this is probably
going to get blocked on Gibber,but oh well, I want to speak
the truth that it would be afraidof being censored or band or whatever.
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You know, if Gibber won't takeus, I know that you know,
another platform will, right, youknow. So so this particular deliverous minister,
the Lord spoke to him and said, you need to pray for her.
And then so he started praying forher like you know, Lord,
healer of you know, jibber,blah blah blah. And then the Lord
spoke to him and rebuked him andsaid in a loving way and said,
no, pray for her the wayI taught you to pray. And the
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Lord spoke to him and said,she whatever giver she has, like rebuke
that, you know, whatever,you know, whatever gibber that she had
received, you know, whether itwas Astrosenca or whatever. This is gonna
sound crazy, but so he shehe asked her, so, what what
pharmaceutical manufacturer was the gibber and shesaid it was Astrosenica. And she and
(45:45):
he actually said, you know,I command that spirit of Asenica to come
out of you in the name ofJesus. And she started like manifesting the
demon with all of the symptoms fromfrom you know. And I'm not saying
that the flu is in one's mind. I mean, I know, people
such as myself, you know whoare legitimately ill? You know that that
(46:05):
was I think it's a spiritual thingand a physical thing with these jibber What
do you think, Vicky Joy?Oh Man, I mean it's it's definitely
pharmaceutical. But yeah, I alsobelieve there's some watcher tech in this.
There there are things there is,yes, definitely aspect of ritual or spell
(46:27):
casting. Obviously what's going on inthis country it's likened und the black magic.
I mean that the entire planet isunder a spell right now, a
fear of there. It is ablending and so when I just think about
the this, when you start readingthings that are potentially in that this is
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not stuff that anyone in who wentto medical school would think to put into
a cure. Right, So theyknow things that that I think were supernaturally
given to them, and this thisconcoction is doing. I mean, because
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here's the thing we were told thisis so you don't catch it or get
it again. But then after yougot it, they're like, well you
can catch it and you can giveit away. So then what is what
is that serum for? Right?What is it for? I mean obviously
they don't they don't give away millionsof dollars of money in their black budgets
(47:36):
for nothing. They need that,they need that money. So if this
isn't to make sure that you don'tget sick or that you don't catch it,
but there's a very specific formula towhat's in there, then what is
it for? What is it for? Mm hm, very good question.
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I think a lot of people Idon't want to get you in trouble.
No, please do No. Iwant to speak the truth, you know.
I'm tired of censoring myself and otherpeople. No, please, don
Vicky Michael, please go ahead andsay what you want to say. It's
as it's played out, It's clearwhat it's for. It's clear that they
(48:23):
are trying to change us, tokill us off. I mean people when
they showed the videos, when whenit first started happening, and they showed
the videos in China and people justdropping dead in the middle of the street,
that wasn't happening, and that didn'thappen when we went through all that
(48:45):
here. But what that did starthappening was after people started getting the job.
That's when people just out of theblue just started dropping My son,
my oldest son just eat and die, thank you Lord. But he just
perfectly healthy, thirty five year oldjust passed out for no reason. And
(49:07):
even the vas telling him, well, I was probably that, you know.
So it's clear. It's it's clearthat it is meant to kill us.
And they said that it's keeping womenfrom getting pregnant. It's all the
things that they wanted to accomplish.So no more babies, no more you
(49:32):
know, young people dying, youngmen, young young teenage boys. Yeah,
it's quite clear. You know,people are getting cancer because of it,
people are dying because of it.Yeah, it's it's yeah. I
mean I'm one of those people,and I just got it. This is
(49:54):
what I see. This is whatI see, And I remember talking about
this happening, and I would tellpeople about what she was saying that oh,
that'll never have But he's out ofthe bag. And here's the thing,
and it's not that no weapon formedagainst this shell prosper. That's what
(50:15):
men. That's right. And youknow, we do need to talk about
this. We do need to informpeople. And so I'm not saying we
shouldn't be talking about this, butwe also need to expand the conversation because
like, look, the evil peoplein the world are doing what they've always
done and what they're always going todo until they're finally put away. We
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should not be shocked and surprised thatthese people are going to continue to cause
trouble. You know, Molek isalways going to be after the children,
and there's always going to be war, There's always going to be plague.
We know this. You know,at what point do we include in the
(50:57):
conversation why did the church fall sohard? Like, yeah, I mean
my church in Minnesota they shut theirdoors before it even became a mandate in
Minnesota to do it. They wereahead of they were ahead of the curve.
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And when you're ahead of walls,you're really you know. And so
the fact of the matter is whenyou've got churches closing their doors and reprimanding
people for lingering after the service talkingto each other, you've got pastors breaking
up, people hugging. I mean, come on, why did we fall
so hard? We should have beenfearless. And I mean in the Book
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of Hebrews, it says do notweary in gathering together, as some do,
especially in these end times. Sothere's like a double command that as
things get worse, and as persecutionit's worse as it gets worse. That
is the time that we never stopcongregating and meeting together and fellowshipping and being
(52:08):
the body. And so it wasso distressing to me, you guys,
and the way that Peter and theBook of Peter, in the Book of
Romans, Peter and Paul were beingmisquoted and all the stuff about being subjected
to governing authorities. If you readthose scriptures, it doesn't say to subject
yourself to tyranny. It says tosubject help to authority. Because they're upholding
(52:31):
the law to God and they're upholdingrighteousness. You just obey them. You're
unrighteous because you're following tyranny. Andso if tyranny takes over, we're not
obligated to follow tyranny. And sojust the inability of the church to see
this coming, to band together toI know there are people out there praying
(52:55):
and fasting. I'm not saying everybody, but here we are three four years
later, and I guess
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