Kentucky & Tennessee Cryptid Encounters: The Dark Side of Chasing Dogman and Bigfoot

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Speaker 1 (00:59):
Well, good evening, everybody. Welcome to On the Hunt. I
am your host, Jessica Jones. I'm the Crypti Huntress, y'all. Man,
I am fresh off the field tonight. Off the field.
That sounds weird. Out of the field, I'm fresh out
of the field. And yeah, I took a super secret
little trip over the past couple of days. I Am

(01:22):
not going to be able to give a lot of
details on that tonight because I still have guys out
in the field tonight. Okay, but I did come home.
Let's just say I was somewhere that I've been wanting
to go for years now. I've been wanting to investigate
this area for at least two years now, and I
got to go yesterday and last night, and boy did
it not disappoint y'all. And it is somewhere in Tennessee,

(01:43):
That's all I can really say. And we found everything
from gigantic twenty plus inch footprints of big footprints to
dogman tracks to having a lot of weird things happened
to us last night. And it did pour down rain
on us last night a bit, but it didn't stop
us from having fun and from really getting out there,

(02:03):
and uh, really doing some super duper boots on the
ground field investigating out there in Tennessee. And I'm going
to get more into that. We'll talk about it a
little bit tonight, you guys I have weren't maycheck back.
We got Cryptoville here with us tonight, and we're going
to be talking tonight about Kentucky and Tennessee crypti encounters.
I mightna be talking about what happened to us last

(02:24):
night a little bit, and uh and the dark side
of chasing dog Man and Bigfoot and uh. And I
got to say, I did camp out in an old well,
kind of camped out in an old cemetery last night.
I wasn't really in the cemetery, but I was right there.
And let me tell you, that was a first for me.
And uh, and it was really interesting. Do you ever

(02:45):
feel like somebody's always watching it out in the woods.
That's how I felt last night. There's somebody watched me
my every move. Okay, and it was not comfortable, but
it was fun so uh. But nonetheless, we're gonna talk
about the dark side of cryptid investigations and just in general. Okay,
this is gonna be really interesting, y'all know, Marks from

(03:06):
up at the lb L and so that's not where
I was last night. I was not at the LBL,
and today I just got home. I literally just got
home and was able to take a shower real quick
before we went live. But I was over more towards
East Tennessee. Okay, So that gives you a clue right there.
And shout out to all the guys that are still
out there tonight. I actually I can say since since

(03:28):
drewski did post this on social media, I was with
Drew Skid with Crypto Warfare and Harley Owens.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeay, y'all.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
I got to go bigfooting with Harley Owens last night
and today, and so shout out to those guys. They're
out there tonight, and so I hope everybody's safe. I
hope we're very safe. And I hope no ghosts followed
me home. Okay, I did some protection on myself before
I left, but man, I don't know. I don't know
about these graveyards, y'all. That's where the dog men are.

(03:56):
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(04:38):
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(05:00):
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Speaker 3 (05:11):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
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Speaker 3 (05:25):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Well, let's get to our show tonight, y'all. Okay, because
on this episode I got Mark Maycheck here. Now, after
a series of odd paranormal events, Mark Maycheck became interested
in the paranormal cryptids UFOs and because of the things
he experienced, he and Barton on a journey to understand
the mysteries of the world. You guys can find him
on his YouTube channel that's Cryptidville. Y'all know, Cryptiville. He's

(05:49):
been here before and and he's oftentimes in our chats
as well. But he has a website, cryptiville dot com,
so please go visit that as well. Subscribe to his
channel and please help me. Welcome to the show, my
good friend from the Land between the Lakes area, mister Cryptdville,
Mark Maychak. That's not Mark.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Hi, Jessica, thank you for having me on.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Hey, well, thank you for being here.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, thank you. This was This was kind of last minute.
I wasn't even sure if I was going to make
it home for a show tonight.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Well I was. I was kind of thinking about that
today and I decided I would get in touch with
you and see if you were going to have a show,
and kind of kind of evolved from there.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Oh yeah, Well there's there's been several people that sent
me messages today and tonight asking are you having a
show tonight? Because I usually posted earlier, but I was,
I was, I was driving. I had a long drive
actually today and it took me a while to get back,
and so I didn't post anything until right before the
show tonight. So surprise, we're here. I never missed a show, okay,

(06:56):
I try to never miss one, and tonight's no different.
So I'm just glad that I made it back in
one piece.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Mark, We're glad you did it too. That's that is
a long drive.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Thank you. The drive was worse. I mean, I don't
know it was. It's a little creepy out there, but
I'm used. I'm used to the bigfoots of the dog man.
I'm not used to the traffic. And I'm not kidding,
like the traffic sucks. But bucket but yeah, does anybody
go to BUCkies? Y'all know BUCkies? I tell you what,
stop it. I don't know if it's good or bad

(07:27):
to stop it to BUCkies.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Man.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
I get anxiety going in places like that, but I
come out with a really good sandwich every time I go.
So shout out to BUCkies. I am open for sponsorships BUCkies.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Okay, have a little BUCkies beaver.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Oh man, Actually my son, my son had Okay, so
he got We were on our way to the Florida
conference last year in one of my conferences I was at,
and he had My mom gave him twenty or twenty
five dollars to spend in Florida, you know, as a gift,
and uh, and we went into BUCkies. He spent it
all on BUCkies, pajamas, on a wozzi and uh and
we're that to our fancy dinner at the full disclosure

(08:03):
now conference that's all did he did so? So yes,
I deserve a sponsorship now, okay, And I'm just kidding
that is so funny. Uh No, we we like to
keep it fun. And yeah they do, they have, they
have good stuff there, so uh it may it makes
the road trips forth it sometimes, but nonetheless, Yeah, I've

(08:27):
still not made it up to the l b O yet. Mark,
I'd like, I'd like to come up there soon. But
I'm I'm I'm making my way up there. I was
in Tennessee and I've done some investigating up there, and
uh and so Kentucky's next, it's next.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Well you better bring you some chicker chicker dope and
some uh.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
You all some bugs bray.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah, some some chicken repellent and uh some snake boots
if you're gonna come during the summer.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
I have both. I have both. I actually I've had
plenty of bugs that I was trying to forgure out all.
My nose was stuffy today and then I remember it,
Oh because I in held all those gnats last night
and this morning That's why. And uh yeah, I really
didn't hell a whole bunch of of a mosquitos and
gnats today, and it's it's rough out there in those woods,

(09:19):
out in those those mountains. But yeah, it's just that's
it's one of the it's one of the dark sides
of chasing dog Man for sure, I guess, you know,
getting getting those mosquitos in my nose and stuff and
in my mouth. But but yeah, but yeah, just making
it out one piece is always good as well. So

(09:39):
I don't know, Okay, what have you had going on
up there is any news any any kind of new
stuff going on at the lb L.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
You know, I've well, you know, we've had a lot
of bad weather here recently, and you know there for
for a time they had it. Some of the areas
closed down, you know, you know, as far as as
far as activity goes, haven't really heard of a lot.

(10:09):
That doesn't mean that there's nothing going on, it's just
you know, it just there are like phases that take
place during the course of the year, you know, times
that are more active than others, and it's kind of interesting.

(10:32):
But lately I have not heard of anything.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
What is a good time, because see, I know, like
in different areas that I go to, it's kind of
the same like a year round, like we know when
the best times to go to go bigfooting and going
to check out the dog man's spots and stuff. We
know when to go because it's when the weather's nice
usually Okay, but see my team goes, and I know
because my team goes whenever it's snowing, whenever it's a

(10:57):
one hundred and fifty degrees outside. We go all the
time year round out in the field. But but in
the LBL, do you find that like maybe it's more
when the weather's nice that the critters come out.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, I would say that it's probably. I mean, you know,
I've been over there when it's been nice, and I've
been over there when it's been you know, bad weather.
I've been over there during crazy weather, and you know,
and had activity during all those times. So it's really

(11:31):
hard to nail down a a time frame that's that's
actually better than any other. So I guess it's you know,
it comes down to uh location. You know, it's not
it's not necessarily the time or the conditions that you go,

(11:54):
but it's the location because you know, the reality, the
reality of it is that you know, I've through the years,
I've spent a lot of time in the l b
L and the majority of that time. And I know
that that people might think that this is a little

(12:15):
bit on the unsafe side, but you know, a lot
of those times I was forced to go alone because
I could not find anybody that was willing to go.
A lot of a lot of people would talk a
big game, but when it actually came time to to
actually put the pavement, to put the get on the

(12:38):
get on the pavement, they just weren't interested in, you know,
really going. So yeah, I mean, all different times of
the year, different conditions, all kinds of different scenarios, different places.

(13:00):
I've been in places where I've had nothing happened. I've
been in places where I've had things happen. It's kind
of kind of interesting the way that that fluctuates.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Mm hm oh yeah, oh yeah. You know, not everybody
wants to go to the LB Hill, you know, because
a lot of people and I've noticed this too about
I mean, and I don't invite people out to go
with me to where I go to my spots. My
spots are kind of secret, okay, and so I don't
invite a lot of people out. But but places like
the LB. I could think, you know, I could say that.

(13:37):
I mean, I think it's like people want to go
there in their minds, but when it when what is
it the rubber meets road. That's what it is. When
rubber mes road. Uh, it's actually quite daunting. And once
you get into places like that, it's it's kind of scary.
It's just like last night, you know, yesterday I drove
up to Tennessee undisclosed location, okay, and I knew that

(13:58):
we were going to be camping out near a near cemetery. Okay,
I knew that, but undisclosed location, right, But you get
there and it wasn't even as it wasn't anything like
I thought it. I thought it was gonna be a
little more scary than it was, and it really wasn't.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
But but I guess it's because of the people the
company that I keep, you know, like those guys are
out there with me. I feel really safe with them. Okay,
I feel really safe. That's really important. But I would
never go by myself to somewhere like that, and even
with one other person, I don't know. I think i'd
probably go with one other person, okay, just something like that.
But I would never go by myself, Mark, I just couldn't.

(14:36):
But I don't know. I know that when when the normal,
average person that wants to go that's not a cryptid
field researcher, I can't imagine them won't even get out
of the car when stuff gets scary out there, or
even when you're just driving through the LBO. I think
it'd be kind of scary.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
But I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Well, I think the big thing about it is is this.
You know, a lot of a lot of people think
that the LBL is a joke. And you know, I'll
be the first to tell anyone. You know, you're not
going to go over there and instantaneously have some kind
of supernatural encounter, even a physical encounter with with something.

(15:23):
I mean, you may, but the odds of that happening
are really slim. You know, I've had a lot of
encounters around this area, but it took me twenty five
years to have those encounters. So but with that, you know,

(15:44):
the LBL is is not a It's not a place
to be taken lightly because you don't have just Bigfoot
and dog Man to to contend with over there. You
have a lot of other factors that come into play
that you know, could change the course of you know,

(16:09):
your visit in a in a not good direction.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
You know. So I tell people, I can't ask you
what what what? What do you mean? It's not just
it's not just cryptids, it's like people out there.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Well, you know, one of the big things is one
of the inherent dangers is uh, recently, within the last
five years, Uh, there has been a noticeable wild hog
population that has kind of sprung up over there. And

(16:48):
I don't know how that happened. Uh, the Forest Service
indicates that that was the result of people bringing those
those uh, those hogs in and turning them loose. And
you do see that in some places where they will

(17:08):
do that, where people will turn them loose. But I
don't know if that's the actual case or or not
in that scenario.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Oh my gosh. You know what, Actually, when we were
out at one of our spots that we do some
research in, UH, we've encountered hog hunters, you know, people
that the guys that will have their dogs out there
who will be you know, let that I guess they
let their their hunting dogs loose looking for hogs and stuff,
and so it's kind of dangerous for us be out

(17:41):
there because these guys are out there hunting and stuff
and it's way deep, you know, in the woods. But
but nonetheless they're they're looking for hogs. I'm wondering now,
I'm wondering, like, well, maybe I wonder if they let
the hogs lose themselves too. I don't know. That's why
I've never looked at it like that.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, if you if you look at the way the
law laws for wild game and hunting are structured, one
of the one of the things is that it's actually
against the law to do that. And the reason why
is because wild hogs, you know, after they're in an
area for a certain amount of time or just the

(18:20):
nature of them being in that area, they will become
carriers of different diseases and and things like that, and
it's it's actually unhealthy to process and and eat those critters. So,

(18:43):
you know, those are those are a lot of the
reasons why it's it's actually illegal to do that is
because not just that, but also the fact that they
destroy cropland and and kill other animals that are in
the environment just by the things that they do in

(19:06):
destroying the the.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Landscape invasive species out there.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Huh yeah, very invasive.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
As far as i'm interrupt you, what does DNR do
about that?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Well, actually, if you look at the information that's released now,
I know that in the l b L they've had
several contracted hunts that have taken place where they've gone
gone in and tried to capture and eradicate these wild

(19:47):
hogs and uh, you know last year, uh, they had
a pretty successful rate of of eradication, but you know,
according to the numbers that are being reported, it wasn't
anywhere near enough to basically get rid of them. So

(20:13):
there's there is still a problem.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
I wonder how much they like how fast they multiply
it to you, I've never I've heard about rabbits, have
never pigs.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
They're on the same level as rabbits and mice. Oh
they they can as soon as a sal has a
litter that I think it that. You know, I'm not
an expert on swine, but I'm pretty sure that within

(20:43):
a week of having that litter, they're ready to breed
again and have you know, have another And that's just
a it may be less than that, I don't know,
but it's pretty quick it's a pretty quick turnaround.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Wow. Well that's interesting. Kent, thank you so much for
that supersticker. I appreciate you. Just Hey Jessica, Hey Kent,
thank you for being here. Well, well, that's something that
I've never I haven't come across a whole lot of
wild pigs out there in the field. Okay, but but
I know that they're out there, and I've been warned
about them, and we've seen the hoof prints and stuff,

(21:19):
and they kind of got like a hoof foot kind
of not really a hoof. I don't know pigs feet.
I gutually saw the hoofs, don't you. They don't have
a nail on them?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Do they know they have hoofs?

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Okay, it's a hoof hoofs.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
It's it's very similar to a deer track. The difference
in them is usually when it's pig traffic, there'll be
a whole lot of them, and they'll be like a
big area of ground that's torn up in the travel
route because they're they're looking for different things to eat

(21:56):
while they're traveling.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Oh yeah, they're a great food source for bigfoot and
dog man too. I would assume I.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Have heard that I've heard a lot of accounts that
involve them and cryptids, but you know, on the evidence side,
you know, I mean, I've seen where people have found

(22:25):
what they call kill sites and stuff like that. But
you know, to actually, it just makes sense to me
that if it's a mobile food source that's roaming around
out there, that they would utilize that as a food source.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Seems gonna be easy, easy pickens if there's a whole
bunch of them out there to go eat. Yeah, I mean,
we've we've even seen pictures of big I've seen pictures
of bigfoots. I've talked about one extensively of I don't
know if it's a big foot or a dog man.
I think it was a gugway is what we decided on.
That was that one where it's holding illis gets holding
a dog upside down or something. Maybe that's not a
pick I think it was a dog. I forgot the

(23:04):
name of.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
That one, the Beast of Seven Shoots pictures seven Shootes.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
I said, yes, but I think that's that's up been
like Canada or north of New York somewhere right.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Actually, I thought that came out of Minnesota or the
Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
I can't remember. I thought it was in I thought
it was like right right above New York or somewhere
like in Canada, I thought.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
But I'm not sure. I would have to look it up.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, I'm sure something. I bet somebody in our chat knows.
I'm sure we'll look. We'll see if anybody knows, y'all
put it in there. But it's yeah, but we we've
we've seen. I've seen. I've seen several pictures with a
big foot or it looked like a bigfoot carrying something
like some kind of pig sized animal, you know, hog
or a dog or something like that makes sense. Yeah,

(23:54):
I know they're out there eating them, but yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Okay, we're talking about the dark side tonight, right, Mark,
we had we had a little fun conversation before the
show tonight, and I and I got to say, like
I haven't there's a lot of dark sides to the
cryptid world, okay, and chasing bigfoot, chasing dog and all
that kind of stuff. And I was joking around today
like my darkest side was, you know, not having a

(24:23):
shower for twenty four hours and smelling bad, okay, and
having to drive home like that for five hours to day. Okay,
that was my darkest thing that I experienced. Uh, but there,
but there is a very dark side to this and
uh and honestly, I've been actually kind of worried about
the you know, being right there at that cemetery and

(24:43):
and even having clingers on is what I like to
call them, you know, and things follow me home and
and stuff like that. But as far as you know,
just something followed me home, that would be the darkest
side for me, you know. And what was your take
on all this?

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Well, you know, I mean it depends on what you're
what you're actually doing. I mean, you know, used to
be you know, back back in the day. Uh that
makes me sound old, but back in the day, back
in the day, whenever you know, I was involved in

(25:24):
you know, paranormal quote unquote research, uh, ghosts in the supernatural,
you know, it was it was always a thing of ah,
of you know, being being concerned about you know, attachments
and stuff like that, which is which is a valid concern.

(25:48):
But we get over into the cryptids and you know, ah,
so long story short, you know, I decided towards the
end of my span of time that I was involved
in paranormal you know, it just got to the point where,
you know, I was seeing too much and I just

(26:09):
I had to I had to take a break. So
I was like, I'm gonna do you know, I've got
these cryptid encounters. I'm gonna look into this more and
get away from that, because I mean, I was, I
was seeing full body apparitions. I was seeing them everywhere.
And you know, when you're seeing those things in places

(26:31):
that you you know, wouldn't expect to it, it kind
of has an effect on you, you know, because you're
not expecting to see a full body apparition while you're
at work.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Uh oh, oh, you're not previously seen one there, no, yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
And you know, I mean, as far as as far
as it goes, you know, I've I've experienced a whole
lot of different stuff, and but as far as from
the cryptid aspect, you know, once you get involved in it,
you know, initially you don't you don't feel like there's

(27:19):
a supernatural paranormal side to it. But you know, the
longer that you're involved in it, the more your view
changes on it. Because I'll be the first to admit
when I first started out, I was a I was
a flesh and blood apor. I thought I thought.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
I was too when I first started that was a
long time ago.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I thought Bigfoot was an undiscovered relic, relict hominid and
that that was that was it, cut and dried. But
but through the years, uh, the experiences that I had
changed and reshaped my viewpoint on that because of the

(28:06):
frequency of strangeness that I encountered through the years. You know,
I've seen a lot. I've seen a lot of weird
stuff on a whole lot of different levels, and you know,
to to say that there's not a supernatural aspect to

(28:27):
them is a is First off, any any researcher that
says that they don't believe in that or that it's
WU and they don't follow the WU camp either one
they haven't been researching very long or two they're in denial.

(28:49):
I know.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
That's what I always assume. I'm like, well, y'all just
hadn't been in it long enough, or you hadn't been
out in the field.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Like I have.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Okay, That's what that's what I had. I just assume sometimes,
and I'm not dissing on anybody that doesn't believe in
the supernatural aspect of Bigfoot. Okay, but if if you're
watching my show, you're probably probably fully aware there's probably
a supernatural element. We call it the X factor. On
my research teams, they have an X factor about him.
A lot of this, does you know? We were sitting

(29:17):
around was talking to Harley last night, Harley Owens, he's
been on the show and Bigfoot reports and data, okay,
and and we were talking about I guess a lot
of us were talking actually, and we're you know, discussing
like there's it's all connected. There's there's so many other
things to it. You know, it's not just Bigfoot, it's
not just dog man. It's UFOs and portals, and you know,

(29:39):
you get in you get into it out there, we're
not just out there having to watch our backs for
you know, bigfoot activity and listening to owls that you know,
are sound like they're nine hundred pounds out there like
we did last night. We had some weird, weird owls
last night trying to trick us and stuff.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
It was weird.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
It was the weirdest thing. It was the weirdest all
experience I ever had. Last night. We'll talk about it
after the guys got out of the woods and we
can talk about it. I'll tell you all about it more.
But but it was really weird, and it's it's more,
it's more to it than that, because you got to
watch out for not only these cryptids, these flesh and
bone bigfoots out there, but they've got some supernatural elements

(30:18):
to it, and we don't want to go missing or
end up in a portal, you know, And it's just tricky.
It's tricky out there.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Well, you know, that's the interesting thing about it, you know,
because you know, the progression of my research was, you know,
I went from researching UFOs and aliens to the paranormal
and then ended up in the in the in the cryptozoology,
you know, bigfoot dog man area. And you know, my

(30:51):
experiences with the UFO alien aspect and my experiences with
the supernatural, paranormal and bigfooted dog man. You know, through
the years, I was not able until within the last
five years to formulate a connection between those things because

(31:16):
of the way that those things presented themselves. And you know,
I'll be the first to admit that there is a
connection and they are related. And you know, you can't

(31:37):
have one without the other. I guess it's the bottom line,
you know, because you know, you got Bigfoot that hang
out in graveyards, you got dog Man to hang out
in graveyards. Why are they doing that? And it's just
a it's it's a big question, you know, because we

(31:57):
don't we don't really understand. I mean, yeah, we can
formulate a hypothesis on what that might be, but no
one really has the answer. It's all it's all conjectured
and speculation, and it just makes it makes it interesting.

(32:19):
But I guess the whole reason why I'm mentioning all
this is because as I was going through those different stages,
you know, I was not able to see the connection
until within the last five years. Wow.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well, there's so much going on at the LBL, and
I've heard a lot of testimony from people out there,
and it even includes some of the testimony includes Bigfoot
and dog Man like seen together. I have never experienced
that before, but but we do, like like this weekend, okay,
we've we actually found what appeared to be a canine,

(32:56):
a large canine track out there where we were with
I mean, and it's not with. It wasn't like in
the same location, but it was in the same light.
I'm gonna say ten acres. Let's say ten acres or so,
I don't know. It was a lot. We've covered a
lot of ground, Okay, let's say five to ten acres
something like that. And I uh, loli like a can

(33:16):
ie track, a big one and big like twenty plus
inch bigfoot tracks out there with it, Okay, And so
I'm not saying that I don't know. I mean, is
that common up there? Do you hear a lot about that?
Like where there? I know they're in the same environment,
but do you ever do they do they hang out together?
You think, what's your thought?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Well, my thought on that is, oh lord, you're asking
me what my thought on it is. So I can
take you to a place right now. I know that
there are bigfoot and dog men in that location. It's
a it's a spread of land. It's about eleven hundred

(33:58):
and twenty five acres. It used to be a hunting club,
but it was sold to a private owner. When that
property was a hunting club. There is when I learned
what would actually resided on that property, And never did

(34:24):
I encounter it was either one or the other. They
were never in the same place. They never to my knowledge,
worked together. So really the only thing I can speak
of is my experience, so you know, and and then

(34:46):
on top of that, you know, I've been in the LBL,
I've seen bigfoot in the LBL, you know, never have
seen a dog man in there with those bigfoot, So
I don't know. It just makes it kind of kind

(35:06):
of interesting. And I'm trying not to go too far
off in the darkness.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Well can I can I ask you.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
A question about your bigfoot experience because I've mainly talked
to you about your dog man experience at the LBL.
But there's just as many of not more, big foot
encounters out there, I guess, but we don't hear about those.
I never hear about the big foot encounters out there.
I just hear about dog man. What was your big
foot encounter like, was it at the LBL.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Which one you tell me?

Speaker 3 (35:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Listen, do you have do you have or have they
all been at the Land between the Lakes or have
they been in other places?

Speaker 2 (35:42):
So I've had a it's been a mix, you know.
I've had experiences inside and outside of the l B
L One of my my actual I call it my
my second inc owner actually took place on a military installation, which, uh,

(36:13):
it's not far from here, and that location is actually
not far from the LBL. And then you know, through
the years, you know, I've had encounters and sightings inside
and outside. So interestingly, what's weird about it is, you

(36:41):
know I've I've uh, so there's this I guess I'll
just share. Started by sharing one of the uh, one
of the sightings that I had in this one location.
So we went to this location during an outing with

(37:04):
a group that I was involved with. Who So anyways,
we went to this location and there's a graveyard on
the right hand side of the road, it's a small cemetery,
and the other side of the road there's a big

(37:34):
hill that goes up and it's quite tall. Well, when
we pulled up at this location, we just kind of
stopped in the middle of the road and want the
vehicle behind me. They had a they had a dog
in the vehicle with them, but they did not get

(37:55):
the dog out of the vehicle. So this bigfoot upon
top of the hill was throwing black walnuts at this
truck in the bed of the truck to try to
get the dog to come out of the vehicle and
was doing that. Then some time later, we had another

(38:20):
event that we went to and we went by this
same location, and as we were coming up to the location,
when the headlights came around the curve, I saw the
bigfoot coming down the side of the hill into a
flat area. Because the person that was leading that expedition,

(38:45):
if you will, had did some calls and it was
actually leaving the hilltop in the direction of those calls,
and we happened to catch it as it was as
we were going around the curve, coming down off the hill.
So it's uh, kind of kind of a kind of

(39:10):
an interesting scenario. You know, even though we were in
the wrong location when we initially stopped and did the calls,
some of us were still able to see that particular
bigfoot at that the location we were supposed to stop at.

(39:31):
Then there's the one that just baffles me. I don't
understand this at all. So we had this. You know,
the big thing is you have these groups that come
down to the LBL and they'll pick out a campground
or they'll pick a location, and they'll have these meet
and greets and stuff like that, which is all fine

(39:55):
and dandy. So I went over there to attend one
of these. And while I was there that night, after
a sunset, they built this big fire and they had
this big circle that they had everybody around the fire pit,

(40:19):
and they had somebody doing you know, speaking about different
things and kind of standing around there listening to him. Well,
at the end of the campground where the road forks,
there's a there's a tree that is in the center
of that fork, and there is I've checked it several times.

(40:44):
I've checked it multiple times through the years. But I
was standing there and there was a gentleman that had
stepped over and he was like, hey, man, why are
you Why are you hanging out over here in the shadows.
I said, well, I'm hanging out over here in the
shadows up next to this tree because I'm keeping the

(41:05):
light out of my eyes so I could see these
bigfoot that are standing down here at the fork. Oh my.
So they there were at least two that were standing
down there, watching the group and listening to the storytellers. Well,
I tell this guy this and he didn't even look

(41:27):
down there, and he was just like, oh okay, and
he just went back to the store telling thing, And
I'm like, what is thrown with this dude?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
You know, he's maybe I thought you were they thought
you were crazy.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Probably I don't know, but I'm standing there and now
when it when it uh would turn its head a
certain direction, I could see, you know, you could see
one two eyes and it would all it would alternate
as it was, you know, turning its head. And this
thing's eyes were as big around as road reflect or

(42:01):
driveway reflectors. That's how big this thing's eyes were, and
pretty big. So I've tried to figure out why that
guy was just I don't know, it just seemed totally okay.
It just went on about his business.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
I mean, that's the big thing. You know, you're there,
you know too, which I mean, granted, some people don't
come there to have an experience, but I mean that's
that's the thing, you know, is is people want to
come in there to have some kind of experience. And
you know, it was a relatively peaceful experience, and uh,

(42:48):
it just kind of baffles me that the that the
guy was just disinterested.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Well, some people want to keep their head in the sand,
kind of like an Ostrich, and that an Ostrich does
that Yeah, some kind of animally emu or something. Uh,
you just want to keep your head in the sand.
They don't they don't want to know. They don't want
to know. There's big foots out there, and most people,
a lot of people don't even believe in it anyways,
until they until they have an encounter.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Oh yeah, So so that was your first experience of
bigfoot or was that just one? I mean, it was
just one.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
That was just one?

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yeah, okay, you said that was near the military base, right,
so that was not that.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
No, that story I have not told.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Okay, oh that's right.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
That story. That story has been earmarked for a book
that else, somebody else is going to be putting out.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
So we can't even talk about it.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Well I can talk about it, but you know, basically,
you know, I'll just give them the condensed version of it.
So I watched the big would run through a fairly
open area of woods trees, and this thing was extremely fast,

(44:09):
and it had, uh, its hair was the color of
an Irish setter. And this thing looked like it was clean.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
It looked clean, shiny, like it were's like it shampooed
its hair.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
I'm not even kidding you're telling me.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
These bigfoots looked have better hair than us. I mean,
I was. I was pretty gross today.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
By in the day.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
I'm not gonna lie. We got dumped. The rain just
dumped on us last night, and it was we didn't
have showers and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
We were we were, We were in the mud. I
was covered and I fell down. I did fall down
last night. Okay, full disclosure. We all fell down.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
There was a hill we just couldn't get around falling
down it and it was pure mud. And yes, I
don't even care. I was walking around with mud on
my butt on. I don't care. Okay, it was fun.
I can't worry about that. Got to keep going. Okay.
But but nonetheless, you know, so Bigfoot's rather look at
how do they keep their hair so shiny? I have

(45:12):
my hair grows today.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I have no idea. The only only thing, the only
thing I can surmise from that experience that that made
it more interesting is the part of the story that
I'm not telling, and that's going to be released in
that in that book, if if, if, and when it

(45:35):
comes out. Okay, Okay, Well, I have no control over.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Oh my gosh. Well okay, well you had mentioned that
the Bigfoot satting was near a military base, like some
got a military assawment. That happens a lot. I mean,
that's uh, there's so many cryptosatings around cemeteries and military bases.
Those are like two of them. Main places you hear
about cryptocitings and the side of the road, Okay, side
of the road, uh, chasing people in their cars, following

(46:07):
people crossing the road, peeking out from the side of
the road, all that kind of stuff. I mean, those
are those are those are some of the main spots
international parks.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Well, that's just like, that's just like I've got a
I've got an extremely creepy story that uh you know,
and this one, this one has been what's the best
word for me to use, it's been it's been retold

(46:38):
many times by certain individuals, and uh it you know, naturally,
I'm not here to throw Indian anybody under the bus.
That's not that's not anything uh productive, But you know

(47:02):
it kind of goes along with the topic of the show, right.
You know, you get out there and you have these
experiences and and you do this research and stuff, and
you know, I think it's it's it's valuable for people
that are not researchers or that may be interested in

(47:27):
becoming a researcher to understand what they're really getting into
when they when they get into this uh topic area,
because you know, I mean, I've been doing this for
a long time. I've seen a whole lot of stuff.
I've met a you know, I didn't get in like,

(47:48):
like I've said before, I didn't get into this to
research and have experiences with people. I got into it
to understand my experiences that I was having. But through
time I learned that in in in the whole cogs

(48:11):
of the machine, you get into the scenario where it
becomes a study on personalities and personality disorders and different people.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
And you know, oh my gosh, you're not talking about
Bigfoot anymore, are you.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
No, I'm talking about people.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
That's you know, that's actually true. That actually is true.
I can agree with it. That's funny, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
And and and then to make things even worse, is
you know you've got the I said I wasn't gonna
mention any names earlier, but I'm going to mention this
one got the Rick Dyers of the world that are
that are out there, you know, trying to perpetrate a fraud,
and you know it that complicates things, you know, staging,

(49:03):
posing evidence, you know, misleading people, and it just makes
it makes it a whole lot more difficult than it
should be. So anyways, I forget where I was even
going with that.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Well that's well, that's true, you know, it's uh, it's
just talking about the personality types and and you know,
getting into the cryptid world and dealing with this. And
I know you're you're kind of a lone wolf when
it comes down to it a lot of times too,
because you go out there. You said that you do
some of this research by yourself, and you know, I
prefer to go I do go out sometimes, you know.

(49:38):
I usually I'm a kid and my dog with me. Okay,
And that's not real bigfoot research because it can't take
your dog out there for that, y'all. You just can't, sorry,
or your kid. But uh, but I get out in
the woods a lot.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
I do get out in the woods a lot. And
uh and when I go out in the field, I
do have a lot of people with me. But see,
that's why I have these teams that I'm on, especially
my old my don't say my old teams. You know,
we all meld together very well. We messed real real
well together, and we don't we're kind of I'm not
gonna say we're all stuck up. We don't let people
in our groups, you know what I mean. But we're
kind of like we work well as a team and

(50:11):
we don't need extra people coming in, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
And uh and so.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
But but when you go out in the field and
you got like new people with you, and like, you know,
sometimes like let's say, for instance, this weekend, you know,
there are a lot of people that are invited I
had never met before, not a lot couple you know,
people I never met and stuff, and and so you know,
it's just it is what it is. You know, everybody's
really super nice and we got lucky. Everybody's really cool. Okay,
But but that's something that you do have to contend

(50:35):
with when you're out there doing the cryptive research. Got
to go out with people you trust. Okay, That's what
I always say. Yeah, keep it, keep it, keep it
one hundred, one hundred, Okay, with the people you take
out there, take it, keep it one hundred Yeah, so
people make sure you can trust them.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
So uh uh, I recalled why I was bringing all
that up. So you know, you've you've got these these
these people that will that will take your information and
use it for their own benefit. And in some cases,
and I'm not saying everybody's like that, but you know,

(51:14):
it's important for us to to recognize that there are
people out there that like that. And this particular story
that I'm going to share is a story that has
been done that way by by a lot of uh well,
several different people were a couple of different people. Let
me just put it like that, even to within the

(51:40):
last year. You know, this story has been rehashed by
one particular person. But nonetheless, so when I was in
the military, I went through basic training at Fort lender Wood,
and towards the end of basic training, part of the

(52:03):
training is, you know, you got to go out on
the road march X number of miles and then you
have to they call it BiVO whack, which is basically
just camping.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
That's what we do. I like doing that. I go
hand at camping. That's kind of similar. Soike in.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
So that I can paint this picture so people get
the full understanding of what what happened. So in in
in our group, our group was a was a whole
I would say, probably a whole battalion's worth of people.
That's more than a hundred people. So we marched into

(52:53):
this area. We get there and that night, that first night,
we got there right as it was getting dark. So
they tell us to set up our you know, our
tents and blah blah blah. So we do that, we

(53:16):
get ready to bed down, we do the things that
we're supposed to do before we do that, and then
we bed down. Well I'm inside my tent and I'm
out cold because i'm you know, like I was tired.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
So during the night, in the middle of the night,
I don't know what time it was because you know,
we didn't have watches or any of that stuff, no
cell phones.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
You had to kind of go by the moon where
the moon and the sun were located.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yeah, we were doing those stick a stick of.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Stone in the ground, see where the sun hits at
in the shadow casts.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Well, this was in the middle of the night. So yeah, anyways,
I remember I wake up and I'm just laying there
and I'm trying to go back to sleep, and I
got this weird feeling that I could not shake, and
I was like, something is not right. I didn't know

(54:27):
what wasn't right, but I knew that something was not right.
So I, uh, the way that that that you enter
your pup tent, there's a there's a couple of ways

(54:48):
you can do it. But I was actually sleeping on
my on my stomach in this tent. So when I
came out of it, I came out of it backwards,
you know, feet first, and I was kind of like
in a squatted position and then I stood up. Well,
when I stood up, I'm face to face. Now, mind you,

(55:09):
there are like one hundred people spread out in this
area that I'm in that are in their pup tents, okay,
And when I when I stand up, I am face
to face, like really really close to you know, I

(55:33):
could have reached out smacked whoever this was. And I'm
face to face with what I think is another soldier
and I'm looking at him and they didn't move and
they're just standing there, and real softly, I whispered, what

(55:55):
are you doing? Nothing no answer, no movement, no nothing,
They're just standing there. So I'm standing there looking at
what I'm thinking, and I'm thinking to myself, if he
don't do something, I'm fixing the bulldog this dude, you know,
because this is creepy weird, you know, so.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
That is really weird.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
How can I ask you?

Speaker 1 (56:25):
How tall was this person?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
M about? It was about my height.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
So I'm standing there and I'm thinking, well, maybe they
didn't hear me, so so I say it again, this
time a little bit louder. What are you doing? And
they're just standing there and they're not moving, and I'm thinking,
I'm fixing the grab this dude. And DDT was talking here,

(56:56):
so I'm standing.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
I'm clothesline this dude, so I'm going to start for that.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
I'm standing there looking at them, and all of a sudden,
from behind me on the road, I hear the sound
of boots coming down the road and they're kind of close,
you know, they had to have been in order for
me to hear them. So I turn and I look,

(57:28):
and I see that it's another company or battalion that's
marching into that area for their BiVO whack. And I'm like, okay,
nothing to be worried with. So when I turned back,
whatever or whoever this was was gone. There was no sound,

(57:52):
there was no movement, there was no tree for this
thing to get person to get behind. So the first
thing I want I want to clarify is I'm not
saying that this was not a person or that it
was a cryptude or anything like that. I'm just relating
what actually happened. Wow, So it was. It was extremely creepy, weird.

(58:17):
And if the dude hadn't have did something or moved
or said something, he probably would have got bulldogged out there.
I would have woke everybody up.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
I guarantee you that maybe he just needed one of
those pup tents he wanted inside your tent. I'm just kidding,
your little one man tent. That wouldn't have been very
very comfortable. That's weird though. I mean, we could go
down the list of all the possibilities of what that
could have been, including the black eyed children. Could have
been a black eyed kid or something, but I don't know.

(58:48):
That just sounds really odd for them not to say anything.
I mean, maybe it was somebody's sleepwalking too, But yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I mean, I'm yeah, I mean and that there was
a lot of a lot of moonlight and another thing
I want to to clarify. The area that we were in.
There were dry leaves everywhere. You know, it had rained
in a while, so if they'd have walked away or
ran away or whatever, I would have heard them. So
it was just weird. So you know, like I said,

(59:21):
I'm not trying to say that it's anything or was anything.
I'm just you know, relating how weird it was.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Yeah. I get a lot of stories from my friends
who I have a lot of my my big footing
friends especially are and it's not just bigfoot now we
investigate everything, but a lot of my cryptid field research
friends are all former military of some branch of some sort,
and a lot of them have a lot. I have
a lot of really creepy stories, a lot of you

(59:50):
know out in places like Fort Stewart and stuff, you know,
encountering or Fort Benning and Georgia we live in. I
live in Georgia, okay, And a lot of one of
those guys that live in Georgia to to or have
been stationed in Georgia. We got Long Island big Foot
up in this chat tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
L I B.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
He was stationed down at Fort Benning at some point
down in Columbus that's near the Troop Heard Corridor, y'all,
where we do some of our research and have lots
of missing persons and stuff down here. But but they
talk about coming face to face with bigfoots out in
the field when they're doing I don't know, what do
you call them drills or something. I don't know, out
in the middle. They throw take all the guys out
in the middle of the forest, and they have to

(01:00:27):
do whatever they do out there, their practice practice war there,
war practice. Gosh, I don't even know what you call that.
But but when they're out there doing doing drills and
stuff and probably shooting practice and whatnot, I mean they
come face to face with big foot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Sometimes it's called a field training exercise.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Field training exercises. We're we're training, yeah, whatever, training training
for battle, I mean training training the battle bigfoot out there,
I guess. I mean, I've been told that some souls
are taught to shoot above the heads, Okay, and I'm
assuming that's the case they encounter giants out in the field.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
I think our military is fully aware of cryptage. What
do you think.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
I would say that they are. Yeah, I'm gonna divert.
I'm going to divert that back to that original military
installation story. I'm pretty sure that they are. Without spoiling
that story for the people that are gonna purchase that
book later on. Uh, there there is some rather interesting

(01:01:35):
stuff about that story. Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Yes, Amy says absolutely, Yeah. I think I think our
military works with them. That's just what I think. I
don't know, though, I don't know for sure. But that's
just all this research we've done, all these remote viewing
targets and all these crazy things that go on around
the world. I don't doubt it. I definitely don't doubt it,
and I don't know, you know, one of the dark
we're talking about dark sides, the dark side of you know,

(01:02:01):
chasing Bigfoot dog Man and do it on this cryptive research. Well,
it's also the government coming after us, right, wouldn't you say?
That's that's actually kind of dark, a little bit worrisome.
When it comes, it's like, I don't worry about it.
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
It is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
You know, I've gotten proverbial knocks on my door at
least one. Okay, but when it came to see. That's
remote viewing, remote viewing stuff. That's a little bit. You know,
I shouldn't have been remote viewing, I guess according to
some people. But uh, but you know, people say they
get followed around and you know, vans pull up. You know,
my my crew, they usually pull up in a van. Okay,

(01:02:38):
but they're not they're not like they're doing it for fun. Okay, okay,
So but anyways, but you know, you see these black
vans pull up and like paramilitary guys hopping out of it.
I'm not saying we do that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
I've heard its like that taking place. I've only had
one instance where there was there was actually somebody that
showed up here. And you know, after after I let
it be known that I was gonna my my motive

(01:03:14):
operating going forward was gonna be captured the flag, they
kind of kind of backed off on that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Well, well that's pretty interesting. We gotta you know, I've
had people on my show before that talk about how
they go out and I know that they are. I
don't know for a fact, but they've told me. Okay,
I can only say what people have told me. I
don't do I don't go digging into these people y'all,
especially you know people I've had all my shows in
the past and stuff, but I've had people that claim that,

(01:03:46):
you know, they've got people that are law enforcement and
you know, they go in these like dog man teams
and the gear upe and I don't know, I don't
know what they're doing out there, but anyways, and it's
almost either getting paid to do it or something. I mean,
I don't know if people claim that they're dog they're
hunting dog men like for our government and stuff ound

(01:04:08):
there or some kind of agency.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Well, I'm not going to say that that doesn't happen,
because you know, I've actually seen an instance of that
taking place myself. You have firsthand at the l b
L near it. Not any.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
But uh oh, I think we've talked about that. It's
probably in private. I talked to you about it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
I think, yeah, OK. Yeah, So to not throw anybody
under the bus, so just just be be aware. I
think it's important that that people be aware, whether you're
researcher or just an interested party, that not everybody in

(01:04:54):
the Bigfoot community is your friend first and foremost, and
U some of these people are not who they portrayed
themselves to be. In a lot of different ways than
just you know, you know, you can look at that
from a lot of different angles.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
I'm damn you went there. That's the truth, though you're
not lying.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
You could say, well, you know, one thing that I
learned in my early days of doing this research, there
was a gentleman by the name of Jim Keegan. I
know a lot of the people that are in the
community today, probably only the old timers would remember him,

(01:05:44):
but he and I had some conversations about the importance
of honesty and integrity as it comes to play with
this subject, and even even doing things in jest can

(01:06:09):
affect your integrity. And you know, I mean, I'll be
the first to men I like to laugh and cut
up and have a good time. But there are things
that are that it's acceptable to do that with and
things that are not. And you know it, it can
have a negative effect on on your credibility when it

(01:06:33):
comes to, you know, being in the position to release information.
So yeah, it gets it gets kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
It does, you know. I get a lot of people
being being a podcaster. I guess you can call it
a do I don't know. I guess I thought I
did live shows I didn't realize I was a podcaster, Okay,
but I guess that's what I am now. But being
doing what I do and being field researcher, I get
a lot of people that contact me and want to
tell me stuff, you know, and uh, and I got

(01:07:06):
to take it all with the grain of salt, because
you can't, you know, why why why would people want
to give me the inside information this stuff that's so
super secret and important and stuff. And I'll take it.
I love I love getting it, y'all. Y'all keep it coming, okay, everybody,
keep it coming out there. But you have to be
really discerning about it because it's like, well, I don't know,
why why am I getting this kind of information? Do

(01:07:27):
you know what I mean? And so I just have
to be How to be selective is to like what
I especially if I talk about something on air or whatever,
you know, when it comes to that nature, I try
not too too much. But I mean, I've got people
that I believe could be real insiders that have a
lot of good information. They do tell me stuff sometimes,

(01:07:48):
but but you know, I've also been in it long
enough mark to know, and I've gotten to know people,
and I I know that I know I network a lot, okay,
and I know people from all over the world the
decrypted research, and uh, I don't even want to go
there tonight. This is so terrible. I don't want to
talk about this. But it's like there are people that
I do believe that are put in you know, places

(01:08:12):
with you know, platforms and stuff that aren't putting out
real good information. Okay, that's all. I'm just gonna leave
it that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Well, that's the that's the thing. Yeah, that's the thing
that It doesn't matter whether you're in the UFO community
and the normal community or the Bigfoot community or the
dog Man people or whatever you're gonna you're gonna run
into that. And the whole reason why, in a nutshell
is is because you know, there's this this concerted effort

(01:08:46):
two for you know, a lot of people say they
don't understand or know why the government or these organizations
or these people would you know, go to such great
links to try to to try to keep these topics,

(01:09:06):
you know, suppressed. You know, if if you know, one
of the big things that I believe in is you know,
everything there's there's nothing new under the sun. Everything that
that all the answers are there. You just have to

(01:09:27):
be able to look, be willing to look for them
and willing to accept them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
And you have to be willing to go out and
chase the truth too about stuff. And yeah, and that's
why I really like doing these shows and stuff, because
I'm out there in the field. You are too, you know,
we're out there in the field. We got the first
hand knowledge of it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
I waited ten years. I never meant to go public
with what I do, and uh, and so I I
kind of know, I kind of know what's going on
more I know, I think I know what's going on
the less I know, you know. But uh, but it's
but it's good to have a good base, a good
footing in the cryptid world, you know, and to be
a part of it for so long and not talk
about it with anybody publicly. And so I feel like

(01:10:09):
it's good to I've got an eye for like who
knows what's really up and who doesn't. Even with that,
I have a good eye for it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Now, even with that, I would be I would be
careful with that, you know, because you know, I mean
you were talking about people giving you information, you know,
I think it's equally important to realize that there are
people out there that are are looking to siphon information,
oh yeah, from you or any anyone else for whatever reason.

(01:10:40):
You know that they have on their their agenda. So
I mean, that does happen as well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
So I've had someone from every community attempt to destroy me.
It's like a fun little game now like I used to,
I used to get upset about it, Now I don't.
I think it's funny, uh to try to pick me
apart and stuff when it comes to the cryptid stuff,
you know, And that's why I keep a lot of

(01:11:06):
things to my chest still, you know, as far as
my teams go and everything. You know, you never tell
everybody everything, you know when it comes to stuff. But
I mean, but I put I put out a lot
of good information to the public, and we do talk,
we talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
It's like even tonight, like I'm not going to discuss
my my guys out in the field and like where
they're at. I'm definitely going to say exactly where they're at,
but like what they're doing, because that's that's it would
affect the research. You know, people don't need to know
where those guys are at you know, I shouldn't even
really be talking about it at all. And out of
the integrity of you know, of everybody being out the
team being out there this weekend and stuff, you know,

(01:11:41):
well you had to be careful about that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Oh yeah, Well, the definite thing about it is, you know,
like for example, and and I know we've had this
conversation before where we'll be in contact and you'll ask,
have you been to the field lately?

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Yeah, you know, you're right there, like you're you're you're
might go to when it comes to the land between
the lakes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Mark, Well, here, here's the reality of that. You know,
you have to understand that when you pick the phone
up and you text somebody, you know, hey, I'm going
to the to the field or I'm going in such

(01:12:25):
and such location. You know, so I guess what I'm
what I'm trying to say, And I hope you're not
put off by this, because sometimes I might not be
one honest, But to me, yeah, with Mark, with that,
because because because of the simple fact that you know

(01:12:47):
in this you know there there is there is danger
in communicating certain information that's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Right on your phone. You don't know who's listening, first
of all, and you know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Those are things to consider because you know, I mean,
it's just the reality of.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
It, that's right, that's right. Well, Ricardo says government uses
spies to spy on researcher, so be careful. Yeah, I've
heard that. I've heard that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Well, we had a we had an incident where we
had gone over there was a group that had that
had come up to the l b L and they
were having a camp out and they invited some of
our group and we went over there, and while we

(01:13:41):
were there, there were three guys that came in. It's
kind of interesting the way that this went down. So
it was a Hispanic guy, a black guy, and a
red necky, skinny, lanky white guy that had a PBR
belt buckalong red naked.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Want I want one of those on a belt? It's okay, interesting, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Now these guys were they were in the military, and
they had come over there to camp out before we left. Yeah,
before we left the PBR guy. The other two guys
left once they realized they would not be able to
integrate themselves into our group. Oh and they left ridden

(01:14:36):
that guy there because yeah, before it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Was done, so all those guys the pby fit in
best with y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Yeah, so before it was all said it done, he
was actually going out on you know, research.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Yeah, that's why I said no new friends. We don't
need no new friends. As I made teams are like, no,
not they don't say no new friends.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
That's me.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
That's me saying that. Okay, but but you know it
kind of it kind of boils down to, like, you
gotta be vetted and get to know people before you
can go out and do what we like, getting our
real research team stuff and go out with us. Yeah,
on my on my original team, j'all. That is what
I'm saying. So well, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
When he got there, you know, Infiltrators, I had a
I had a little conversation with the guy and uh,
you know, just basically asked him what unitsyn you know,
what he was in, and this, that and the other,
try to try to get a get a line on him,
and you know, it could be legit, but it just

(01:15:51):
seemed too coincidental to me, you know. And what was
further interesting about it is at the time there was
a military intelligence unit that had just moved to that installation,
and uh, you know, it was just kind of interesting timing,

(01:16:13):
not saying he was there to spy on us, but
it was interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Oh he was totally there to spy on you for sure.
That's uh yeah, well did you go with your with
your gut?

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
I always tell everybody to go with your gut. If
something feels off, it's off. And that includes like when
you have people that are you know, new friends and
people that kind of show up out of the blue
and stuff, and you know, be aware, be aware, and
yeah when it comes to the crypto field research, because
you know, that's why to me, it feels like that's

(01:16:46):
why we get there's such a stigma to like bigfooting
and things like that. It's like everybody, I want to say,
like the media, whoever they want us to paint us
all is like a bunch of you know, country bumpkins. Okay,
country buffcaus is a good term. And that's why that
guy they're like, all right, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're
gonna send the guy. We gotta put on it. Get

(01:17:07):
your deal Earnhart shirt. Okay, put on your deal Earn
Heart shirt. Tuck it in with your PBR belt buckle
and put on your your mesh cap, you know, and
uh and go over there with your with your your
your race hill and praisedale hat okay and uh and yeah,
I mean I I totally listen. I grew up my
I love NASCAR, Easter race cars and stuff. I'd be like, okay, cool,

(01:17:28):
but I'd look at them with the side I'd be like,
what are you doing here? Okay? Yeah, who sent you?
Because you know they The point of what I was
gonna say is like, you know, we are we're portrayed
as being that stereotype okay, and uh and it's kind
of like to keep us to keep it ongoing, like

(01:17:49):
as though like we're not smart and we're crazy and
uh we must be you know, drinking natty lights on
stuff and we just see things, you know, out there.
Uh and that's what the general public that that's what
they want the general public to think we do out
there and who we are and uh and it's kind
of yeah, and and so you know, maybe infiltrators are

(01:18:09):
sent in to you know, keep that going and to
stereotype iss a little more and all that kind of stuff.
And that's why they put those kind of people on
the news, you know, and you know what I mean.
But but yeah, and to just to get intelligence and
to find out what we're doing, because these these things
are real, and I think the government already knows that
they're real. This is coming for me, this is my opinions.

(01:18:30):
This is for entertainment purposes only tonight, y'all. But it's
like they want they already know the exist they want
to know what we know about it and who who
are we going to tell about it? Okay, like who's
got the platforms, who's got the loudest mouth, who's going
to be out there, who's out there doing the boots
on the groundwork, and then going on a podcast and
talking about it? Oh oops, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
One of one of my earlier incidents that I had happened.
Uh So, just just as an example, now, what i'm
fixing a related is one hundred percentury. It happened the
way that I'm fixing it related. But I don't generally

(01:19:14):
share this publicly a whole lot because of the nature
of what it is. So once once I share it,
you'll understand why. So I had some friends, frenemies, frenemies

(01:19:35):
who were coming up to the l b L and
they wanted to meet over there and do a little research.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
One weekend, I got we got tea right now? Huh
h's dishing the tea out, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
So ended up that weekend I had to work, so
I was at work and they called me while I
was at work, and I took their call and they
were like, Hey, we're at such and such location and
we wanted to know if you would be free to

(01:20:15):
meet over there tonight and do something looking around. I
was like yeah, I said, I don't get off work
until nine, nine thirty ten o'clock, but I'd be happy
to come over and meet you guys and you know,
go looking around. So ended up, I got got off work,
I came home, I got my stuff, I left, I

(01:20:39):
went over there, and I'm going to condense this a
whole lot. So while I was over there, before I
met up with them, I had something very weird cross
in front of the in front of my vehicle on
the road. At that time, I had no inclination to

(01:21:04):
anything about This did not fit any description of any
animal that I've ever heard of or seen before. It
was very bizarre. So I met up with them after that.
We went and looked around to about one one thirty

(01:21:25):
in the morning, and I came home and I called
up one of my research buddies in New York and
I was like, hey, man, I just had this experience
and I saw this and I don't know what it was.
So I went through the description. I told him basically

(01:21:46):
what happened, what I saw, and he was very adamant
that I had seen a young or baby bigfoot, and
I was like, I don't think so. I've never seen
anything like this before. It was unnatural the way that

(01:22:09):
this thing moved. And he was like, dude, I'm telling
you you saw a baby bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
The power of suggestion, so trying to make you think
you saw a bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
No, no, no, he's just based off the description that
I gave him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
So I was trying to put it in another direction.
Then sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
So yeah, you're you're not going to guess where I'm
going to end up with this. So I told him
basically that I was gonna think on it and try to,
you know, figure out what it was. So the next day,
I get up that afternoon, I go to work, I

(01:22:54):
get off work, and I'm coming home, so I pull
in the road that I live on and I come
down and when I turned into the driveway, my headlights
sweep across the house next door, and they hit the
backyard behind the house next door, and then they straighten

(01:23:18):
up into my driveway. So as my headlights are sweeping over,
there's a dude standing at the edge of the tree
line behind the house next door, and he's dressed in
black wall tactical gear to ski mask. Yeah, he was

(01:23:45):
covered head to toe. I could not tell who he was.
All I could tell this he had on military gear,
some kind of vest that I'm assuming, you know, as
when I saw him, you know, I just naturally assumed
that he was there, not not to be friends. So

(01:24:07):
at that time, being that I was going to and
from work, I wasn't caring at that that particular night.
So my first response was come in the house, check
on everybody in the house, get my stuff, and go

(01:24:30):
back outside. Right, So I come in, check on everybody
in the house, I get my stuff, and I go
back outside. Whoever it was was gone.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
So which way was his gun pointed? What was he
pointing it at?

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Oh, we have if he had one, it was, you know,
like he was just standing there going down so so
now where mine was pointed at, it was a different story.
I wasn't playing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
I wouldn't be either if that was outside my house.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Yeah. So my next response was, Okay, did this person
come into my house? Because obviously he wasn't there to
visit the neighbor, and he was very I just got
the impression that he wanted me to be able to
see him and to let me know that he was there.

(01:25:46):
So I come came back in the house and I
was looking around. Nothing was out of place, nothing was moved.
And I went to the side door on that overlooks
the fenced n dogill and I grabbed the door knob
of the check and make sure it was locked. And
when I grabbed it, it was still locked. But when

(01:26:07):
I grabbed it, I guess I pulled it just right
and it just came wide open like it had been carted.
Oh so and I know that I had because that's
a big thing. That's a big thing here. Yeah, I
make sure that the doors are locked.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
Yeah, me too. I'm a I'm a lock checker.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Not for my protection, yeah, protection everybody outside.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, I'm hyper vigilant when it comes
to the safety aspect of my life, and I always happened.
I've been forced to be that way. Actually, And boy,
I'll tell you, somebody creep around the house like that
and they got on a ski mask. You didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
You didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
You didn't call the cops or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
I'm just asking.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
For a friend.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
I don't know aund here.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
I know me too.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
I know I'm the same unless I have to house,
I have to just depends depends on. I go with
my gut.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
I got it, I gotta. I gotta saying. If you
break kids, you will break out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Oh my god, that's wild.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Like I said, the doors are not locked for my partiction,
they're locked for everybody else's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Yeah, you know, so that's odd.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
I'm not trying to say I'm a badass or anything
like that or whatever, but you know, you that's your home.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
You have a right to be that way.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
You break into my house, you're you're going to be
looking for an exit.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Okay, Well this was in the this was while you
were in the midst of doing all the cryptid research.
You're you're in a hot spot hub right there at the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
L b L.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
And uh you you've experienced some things and uh yeah,
I mean, do you do you think that it could
have been related to your knowledge.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
That I think it was related to that phone call
I had the night before where I was trying to
determine what it was that I saw. Mm hm oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
I always feel like somebody's listening in. I mean, I
was gonna I've seen that song with Michael Jackson song.
Always feel like somebody's watching me. It's actually not Michael
Jackson as somebody else, but he's got a he's got
a little chorus in it. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Well, you got the police every breath you take, every
step you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Make, watching you. Oh, that's odd that there is that
the name of the band that sings that. What a coincidence.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
And that's just the one that pops to the top
top of my mind, off the top of off the bat.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
Okay, well how about wow, Okay that this is actually
kind of reminiscent. And I know you're you're not finished
your story, but I just want to mention this real quick,
what I'm thinking about it. People have reported bigfoot sightnings
to let's just say it, the BFRO or something or
somebody that works with the BFRRO or the head of
it or something, and uh, they they do it like

(01:29:14):
in confidence. And this is what I've been told, uh
that there have been a few people, a couple of
people for sure, that have reported their bigfoot sightnings and
to them and the next thing, and they know they've
got black helicopters flying over their house.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
You I had it happen to me?

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
You did?

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
Oh my?

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
Okay, Well you heard it here first, y'all. So think
you heard it here first. I don't know I'm hearing
it here first.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
I don't. I don't normally share this because of the
nature of what it is. And like I said, I'm
not here to throw anybody under the bus. But I
mean if if if you're, if you're involved in that
kind of activity, then you kind of I deserve it
in my book, you know, And some may say that,

(01:30:04):
you know, I deserved what happened or whatever. So and
and let this be a let this be some wisdom
along the way. So without calling names. So, I have
a friend and if you if you or yeah, a friend,

(01:30:30):
I'll use that word. He's not a friend of me yet, man.
So I have a friend who We're.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
Gonna have a whole lot of people saying in this
episode tonight you know that, right people, everybody's gonna think
we're talking about them, y'all. I promise you, if you're,
if you're, if you're in this chat right now, I'm
not talking about you. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
I saw that. I saw that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Caleb. I'm not talking about you, Okay, definitely not talking
about you. If you're No, I'm not talking about you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Well, the only thing I have to say, the only
thing that I can.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
She agrees, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
The only thing that I can say is this, if
it fits strap that sucker on.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
You crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
I mean, I don't. I don't operate in the realm
of you know. I mean, look, the reality of it
is this. You know, nobody's perfect, you know, for whatever reason,
you know, uh, some people deem it necessary to try
to elevate themselves and put themselves in the in the

(01:31:42):
shoes of the expert or wear that tag for whatever reason.
And they want to be an authority on the subject
and they want to squash down everybody else that's around them,
and that's all fine and daddy. If they want to
have a competitive a competitive level in this subject area,

(01:32:07):
then they need to. I mean the reality of it
is this. You know, there's there's too many instances, and
I'm probably gonna hurt some feelings with what I'm fixing
to say, but I can't help it. I'm not here
to tickle your ear and tell you you know, I'm
not here to whisper sweet nothings and all that good stuff.

(01:32:30):
I'm here to tell you the truth. And if you
can't deal with the truth, then that's your problem, not mine,
because I can deal with the truth. And the bottom
line is this. You know, you have these people that
go on these podcasts and it's you know, I mean,
really look at it. Who is putting out I don't

(01:32:56):
vote the bear who's really putting out or who has
really put out anything new in the last ten years?

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
What do you mean by new?

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Damn Mark?

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
I mean about that? Well, in regard, let's just let's
take from the lb L for instance. Godly, this is
a can of worms right here, man. I mean, there's
there's been a lot. I mean, I don't know, maybe
we shouldn't talk about the LBO that sense that you
live up there, Okay, I don't know. I mean we're

(01:33:36):
putting out new stuff pretty often. I mean I bring
people on the show all the time talking about the
research and stuff. What do you mean by new?

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
What do you mean? That's my question.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
I mean, I'm about to be triggered, and I'm just kidding,
you're about to trigger me.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
Well, well, here here's an example. Here's an example of
something new. So we had a conversation the other night,
and during that kind ofnversation I mentioned about eye globe, yes,
self illuminating eyeshine. You know, everybody has got these these

(01:34:13):
concepts of how that's possible, bioluminescence and all this good stuff,
and that's it's all good stuff, but it's the same
stuff that everybody's been saying for the last ten years,
and there's not anybody that has come out with any
plausible new hypothesis on that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
I don't even I don't know what that stuff is.
I don't know, I don't know how they do it,
you know, but yeah, if we could get some real
good solid data on that, that would be amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
I've you know, even even with like the we talk
about the interdimensional aspect of Bigfoot in these cryptids too,
and like them going invisible and all that kind of stuff.
I mean, I really dive into it here, like trying
to figure out, like what is that is that? Are
they hitting the portals, they're going in out of portals?
I mean, I'm even taking those deep dives on those
like invisibility, you know, quantum stealth materials and things like that,

(01:35:19):
like just trying to look at it from every angle
because we're trying to figure out what the heck's going
on here. But if somebody had some real serious data,
some like proof, some evidence like what's really going on here,
I'd love to hear it. So, yeah, you're you're one
hundred percent rate on all that, But.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
I mean, you know, and the reality of it is,
we can't fault people for not having having the answers
because you know, or having new information. Yeah, well, let
me back up on that. I guess we can because
the reality of it is, all the answers are out there.

(01:35:54):
We just have to be in the location willing to
find and look look and find them and accept them.
The answers are.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
There, Yeah, answers there. I'm out there chasing the.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Answers because I guess I look at it from the
perspective of if I can do it, anybody can do it.
If I can look look for and find the answers
to how these things are able to self eliminate their eyes.
Then anybody can do that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
And I didn't do any I didn't even have to
really look for it. It was just there. Yeah, But
it's something, it's something. It's something that nobody's ever mentioned,
nobody's ever thought about, and they've never come up with that.
It's like, it's like looking at the whole subject of

(01:36:54):
the and I feel, I know you're I know you're
fixing the makeup face as soon as I say this, well,
this whole subject of this so.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
Far, Oh yeah, you know what you just say? Just
tell us what is I said on that?

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
For ten years before I ever said anything, but supposedly
there were all these conversations that were taking place, and
this that and the other, and all this research that
was taking place. You know, I mean, what is that?

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
So what you're saying is like you you had that
information and you were excuse me, that's my dog. So
you've had this information. You were kind of sitting on
it for a while. I can't find a dog treat, sorry,
So you're sitting on it for a while, and then
you did you did you go out in the field
and use it, or did you tell people about it?
Or how did you get out there? Because it did
kind of spread like wildfire at some point. I heard

(01:38:00):
it on several different podcasts and that people talking about
doing that using the show far out in the field too.
I don't know, is it opening portals or whatever, but
it definitely attracts bigfoots and dog men from what I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Well, here's here's the thing with that, you know, and
this is the side of the story that you you
won't hear unless you hear from me. And that's why
I'm kind of mentioning it tonight, is because you know,
when I when I came up with that, and I
was doing that research, you know, I had had come

(01:38:34):
up with the whole concept of how it worked, why
it worked, and some of the dangers of it, not
all of them, but a few of the inherent dangers
of using that method to call these things. And so

(01:38:57):
to answer the question of how it got out there?
Do you want the truth? I mean, do you think
that the public or the people out there in the
community are ready for the truth of how it got
out there?

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
Maybe depends on what what the truth is. I guess yeah,
I mean, hey, we all need the truth about stuff. Well,
I just don't want to. I don't want to ruffle
a bunch of feathers. People come at me, but it's
all good. Well they were for entertainment purposes.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Only they won't come at you. They'll come at me.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
But the opinions are all of my guests, not of me.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
So the the whole, the whole thing with it is is,
you know, I had this research, I had this information,
but I did not have a location to test it in.
So because I did not have a location to test

(01:39:56):
it in, then I because I thought that I had
a twenty plus year friendship that I could trust in
in a researcher, that I kind of gave them a

(01:40:17):
little bit of the information to work with and asked
them would they be interested Because I knew that that
researcher was traveling to different locations, I asked them would
they be interested in testing it to see if it worked?
And so, long story short, during the course of them

(01:40:43):
doing that that information. You know, if you know the
old saying, three people can keep a secret if two
of them are dead, right, Oh dang? So, because that
person was around other people when they were using that method.

(01:41:03):
Other people kind of ran with it and were talking
about it amongst themselves and all that good stuff. So
you know, yeah, it was it was a poor judgment

(01:41:24):
on my part to think that I could trust somebody
with that, because the reality of it is this I had.
I had in my mind formulated a direction to go
with that research, and basically that was all taken away

(01:41:47):
because the people involved thought that it was more important
to say, Hey, this is cool, this is something new,
this is something that works. We want to share this publicly,
whether I want to be involved in that or not.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Oh, did you feel like you kind of got undermined
or something a little bit in it?

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Well, at well, let's just say at at first, when
when everything started going on with that in that direction, yeah,
I'm not gonna lie, I was. I was pissed about it,
you know, And I'm like, dude, I asked you to
keep that to yourself. And here you are, You're in
Oklahoma and you're using that method in front of thirty people.

(01:42:36):
You know, I mean, what's up?

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
How dangerous is that? Using a so far out in
the field.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Well, here's the thing about it. The thing about it. Now,
I'm not going to get into a whole lot of
detail other than to tell people not to use that
method to call them it does work. But here are
the things that you need to keep in mind with that,
and they are one and most importantly is just remove

(01:43:13):
bigfoot from the equation all together. When you take something
that is supposed to be holy and you misuse it
or you use it for a purpose other than what
it was intended for, what is that? I mean, you're you're,

(01:43:41):
in essence, you're going against the I'm trying to think
of the best way to explain this where I get
my get my point across. So basically, in a in

(01:44:02):
a nutshell, you're you're you're you're using it for for
a purpose other than what God intended to be used.
And because you're doing that, you were going against God.
And I'll be the first to admit, you know, once,
once I got deeper into the research of that subject

(01:44:25):
and I realized the magnitude of what that what using
that for that purpose was or could be, you know,
I'll be the first to admit, you know, I I
had to repent for that because of the simple simple
fact that you know everything everything if you're and I'm

(01:44:52):
not here to push religion or any denomination or anything
like that. I'm just speaking from my beliefs in my
belief system. When when you use something that God created
in a way that it's not supposed to be used,
especially in a in a in a negative inverted way,

(01:45:13):
then you're jeopardizing a lot of things when you do that.
And you know, because I put that information out there,
I felt very responsible for doing that. So outside of

(01:45:39):
you know, outside of the whole scenario, you know, on
a personal level, I had to had to seek the
repenance for that. Now, part of that was you know,
me trying to convey that, you know, the aspect of

(01:46:01):
that to the people involved and to try to get
them to listen to my viewpoint on it. And at
first they weren't very receptive and they continue to do
what they were doing, and it got to the point
where you know, I was like, look, you don't need

(01:46:22):
to do this or continue to do this, because you know,
they really didn't pay attention until I started talking about
things like you're jeopardizing your soul and you're jeopardizing your
salvation by doing that. Now, now I'm not saying. I'm

(01:46:44):
not saying that using a so far for that purpose
does that, but it could because I mean, if you
look at it, you know, if you look at the
whole subject of the Nephilum, right, you had the fallen
angels that came down, this is nutshell. They wanted to

(01:47:08):
to pollute the bloodlines of the Earth. First it was
with humans, then it went to all the creations on
the earth. They basically wanted to take everything that God
created and make it into something that benefited them. So
in doing so, that put them into the fallen, into

(01:47:32):
the place that they are now. So I guess until
I got kind of serious about you know, hey, this
is not a good thing to do, and here's why.
And there's other reasons why it's not a good good
thing to use that I haven't ever shared with anybody,

(01:47:55):
But they're minute in the grand scale of things, and
you know, it's just things that that that we are
not supposed to do. And so I guess in a nutshell,

(01:48:20):
you know, I tried to warn people and I will
warn people that using a so far to call cryptids
is is not just dangerous, it's to you personally by
doing that. So used to be To answer that question, Scott,

(01:48:45):
let me.

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
Let me read the question out loud so the audience
can hear. That's listening on podcasts. So, Mark, do you
think that cryptids are nephelin?

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
So to answer that question, I think it's it's kind
of uh important to realize the hierarchies that exist. So
when you when you look at the biblical narrative, you know,
when the fallen angels came down and they looked upon

(01:49:14):
the daughters of men and they decided that they were
going to cohabitate with them. So basically what they did
was they tricked these women by presenting themselves as their husbands,

(01:49:37):
and these women thought that they were actually interacting with
their husbands when they weren't. So they had offspring, their
offspring between a human and these fallen angels were what
are called the nephelim. So some at some point after that,

(01:49:57):
it was determined that it wasn't enough for the fallen
angels to pollute the human bloodline. They wanted to pollute
every bloodline on the planet. It's diabolical, well just basically

(01:50:20):
to mock God's creation and to turn God's creation into
something other than what it was. Intended to be. So
they came along and they interacted and I'm choosing my
words carefully, So they interacted with all the bloodlines on

(01:50:42):
the earth. So in doing that, if you look at
the Biblical progression, those offspring were what are referred to
as the rough I aim. So it is possible that

(01:51:04):
some of these cryptids that we're encountering are descendants of
To say that their descendants of the Nephelm is accurate,
to say that their descendants of the Raphaem is accurate,
But it all depends on what angle you want to
look at it from. So and yes, cosmic they are so,

(01:51:31):
And that's just my opinion. And that's from a lot
of research that I've done, and you know, interestingly, and
I'll talk about this this one encounter. So during the
time that I was so there, there was a time

(01:51:56):
where I was living in in in an area that
I like to all the hot zone, and that particular
area there was a lot of bigfoot activity in that area.
So I was living in an apartment building and I

(01:52:18):
say apartment because what it was it was actually a
six unit at when it was built, it was originally
a six hotel that is down by the lake, and
they rented as a motel for many years, and they

(01:52:38):
would have fishermen and hunters that would come in and
rent those So they were having a problem with upkeep
and you know, getting rentals for that property. So they
decided what they were going to do is they were
going to convert them into apartments. So they converted that

(01:53:00):
building into three apartment buildings or apartments. And I was
living in one of those units at the time, and
at that time, I was working remotely. And now during

(01:53:23):
the day when I would be working, I would have
the curtain. Now imagine if you will this, This apartment
unit had a four foot by eight foot window in
the front of it, so great be a huge window.
So I would pull the curtain back on it during

(01:53:44):
the day so the sunlight could come in and what
have you. So I'm sitting there doing my thing and
talking to customers on the phone and doing my thing.
So one night I'm sitting there working and I looked
up and I could see that I had forgotten because

(01:54:07):
normally what I would do because I had this not
really a fear, but it was just a thing that
I didn't want to deal with. I didn't want to
be sitting there working and look up and there'd be
a big foot standing there. So I would pull the
curtain shut before it got dark. Well, that particular evening,

(01:54:30):
I didn't do that. So I'm sitting there and I'm
doing my thing, and I'm talking to a customer and
I look up. And for anybody that's ever done any
kind of computer work, they will understand the value of
looking away from the computer periodically off into a you know,

(01:54:51):
like out of window or whatever, so that it doesn't
have such a dramatic effect on your eyes and your vision.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
He was looking at a fleer of thermal night vision. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
So I was sitting there talking to this customer and
I look up and I can see it's already dark,
and I can see an airplane flying across the sky
and I can see the light flashing and then it
passes out of you. So I'm sitting there and I'm
getting done with that customer, and I'm talking to a

(01:55:26):
new customer, and I'm sitting there and this wasn't like
two or three minutes later, and I look up and
I see that same light that I had seen earlier,
but it wasn't moving, and it wasn't flashing. It was
just there sitting there in the sky, and I'm looking
at it and I'm like, hold on a minute, that

(01:55:52):
light's not flashing. And I'm like, at that time, I
had a uh, what do they call it? I think
they call it a torch airy, one of them lights
that it's on a stand. It's got a light bulb
at the top, and it's got like a it's like
a flower at the top, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
So I had one of those in my living room
area and it was behind me, so I thought, oh, well,
it's just that light shining off the window, so I
didn't pay any attention to it. So I'm sitting there
talking to this dude and I look back up and
I see just like a single flicker of movement in

(01:56:35):
that light, and I'm looking at it. At next thing
I see. I can see the side of this thing's face.
I can see this side of his face, and I
can see that it's got gray, leathery skin, and I'm
like freaking out inside, and I'm like, oh my gosh,

(01:56:58):
and this thing is standing there looking at me, and
I'm like, Okay, what am I gonna do? Because I mean,
I'm like, no more than four foot away from this thing.
If it wanted me, it could have busted that window.
It got me. It's my computer was right up against
that window, and I'm like kind of freaking out inside,

(01:57:24):
not really knowing what to do. So during that encounter,
while that thing was there, it wasn't really mind speak
per se, but it was just an impression that I
got from this thing. And the first thing was that

(01:57:44):
it was sad. That's what I picked up, that it
was sad. And the next thing, you know, I was
kind of it was kind of weird the way that
I picked up that it was sad. It was like
I didn't under staying why it was sad. And I
looked down at the computer and I looked back up,

(01:58:06):
and when I looked back up, it was gone. And
then a couple of seconds later, I hear the landlord's dog,
which she was a big lab. She was going nuts.
She did not like this thing being in her territory.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
Uh oh, and with an outside the dog was outside.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
Yeah, the dog was outside. And I was like sitting
there and I was like trying to figure out what
had just happened. What was this thing and why was
it sad? And I was like then it hit me.

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
It couldn't get to you.

Speaker 3 (01:58:46):
No, it was sad.

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
No, what was that?

Speaker 3 (01:58:50):
What? What?

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
Well, after I sat there for a few minutes and
thought about it, you know, it kind of the realization
came to me that it was sad because it wasn't
like me.

Speaker 1 (01:59:07):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:59:07):
So so in saying that, you know, at the end
of the day, you know, and I know I know
what I'm fixing to say is going to upset people.
And I'm sorry, there's no other This is my interpretation
of it. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that
all Bigfoot are evil. I'm not saying that they're all bad.

(01:59:32):
The first thing that we that it's important to realize
is they cannot they did not ask to be here,
and they cannot help what they are. But at the
end of the day, according to the Bible, they are
an abomination and they are not because they are not
supposed to exist. And there's nothing that anybody, not me

(01:59:56):
or anybody can say that can change that. Now, I
know a lot of people wouldn't follow that, but if
you go back and you look at the whole Nephilum concept,
you know, why did we have the Great de lose
is because they the Nephilum. We're not supposed to exist.

(02:00:21):
They were not part of God's creation and because of that,
it was it was necessary for them to be destroyed.
And that's that was God's chosen method to do that.
So you know, I always tell people, I always tell people,

(02:00:48):
the biggest mystery about Bigfoot is not is not is
not that. It's not that that they they are here,
not that they exist, it's that they understand completely what
they are and we're the ones that don't remember or

(02:01:13):
understand what we are.

Speaker 1 (02:01:18):
That's indeed right there, that's you, guys, asked and he's
telling you, Okay, this is wild. I don't think we've
ever had this full conversation before.

Speaker 2 (02:01:31):
Mark. Well, there are things that you know, for whatever
reason I may not, I may not get into, but
you know, I mean, and like I said, you know,
I'm not trying to say it is this or it
is that or whatever, but if it is a descendant

(02:01:53):
of the Nephlum of the Raphaeme, and you know, it
is what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:02:02):
If that's what they are, wow, that's what that's really
interesting though, Like I mean, you know, I always have
people asking like, do you think the bigfoots or Nephilim
and stuff, And I'm like, I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:02:16):
I don't have all that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:16):
I don't have any of the answers. Okay, but but
that you're put a lot of interesting information out there,
and according to the Bible, that's that's what it says, right,
That's what I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:02:29):
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not people agree
with you in a chat too.

Speaker 2 (02:02:33):
I'm not. I'm not. I'm not advocating for their destruction
or anything like that. But I think that if, if, if,
if we look at it through a hard, objective lens. Look,
I've had over twenty encounters with these things. I know
they're real. But I have to be objective about everything

(02:03:00):
in order to be able to to speak on any
of the things that I'm speaking.

Speaker 1 (02:03:05):
Yeah, you've put a lot of research and bond into it, that's.

Speaker 2 (02:03:09):
For sure, because to do otherwise is a disservice to
me and to anybody I talked to about it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:18):
Yeah, And so to circle back around to the show
far okay, not to ruffle your feathers now or to
do whatever I'm just saying like it's a that's a
very spiritual tool, very spiritual, and what it's doing, it's
it's a multifaceted, you know, type of a tool. Okay,

(02:03:40):
it's got a lot of different purposes to it, a
lot of a lot of different things that it can do.
And and my concern was always my main concern because
I didn't know a whole lot about the show far
I don't know it. I didn't know anything about it really,
but it was just the whole tones, the sound frequency,
and how it attracts cryptids like dog went in Bigfoot.

(02:04:01):
But I don't think it's just that. I think they're
just attracting him. I think it's opening a portal. Well,
and that concerns me.

Speaker 2 (02:04:07):
Well, here's the thing with that. Now I'll be I'll
be the first two men. And now I've not talked
about this a whole lot. I don't think I've ever
really talked about this publicly, but you know, other people
who shall remain nameless at this point have talked about it,
and you know, have mentioned this particular incident. So h

(02:04:39):
And for the record, I think it's important that that
people realize and understand that, you know, when you hear
this person talk about the soho far, And I'm not
trying to I'm not trying to take anything away from anybody,

(02:05:00):
and I'm not trying to negate the time and the
effort that they put into it in any way. But
what I what I what I do believe in is
first and foremost being honest and being truthful above anything else.

(02:05:24):
So in an effort to promote that, I asked that
individual not to bring my name up when they talk
about that subject because at this point, and and to

(02:05:44):
be honest, once again, I've heard a lot of stuff
said that it's just not true. And you know, with
regards to oh well, me and me and Mark had
all these LinkedIn conversations and this, that and the other.
You know, one or two conversations a year is not
a multitude of conversations about that particular subject. I sat

(02:06:08):
on that subject for ten years before I ever brought
it up to them, you know. So where these are
conversations happened, I don't know, But it wasn't with me,
you know. And so but nonetheless, nonetheless, like I said,

(02:06:28):
I'm not trying to take anything away from them. You know,
they put, they put time into it and and and
did do what I asked them to in some respects
did other things that I asked them not to do,
which I understand, and I've tried not to be judgmental

(02:06:50):
about that at this point, but you know it, it
doesn't change the fact that it that it happened the
way that it did, and that, you know, because of
the way that things went down with that, I've just
kind of asked that i'd not be mentioned because I

(02:07:14):
don't want to be associated with anything that's not truthful,
and not saying that what they're saying is not truthful
other than the obvious things that I mentioned before, like
the conversations and the information that was you know, you know,
it's been presented that it was like a meeting of
the minds, and there was no meeting of the minds.

(02:07:36):
So in a nutshell, what it was was I gave
that person a little bit of information. I did not
tell them everything, asked them what they'd like to be involved,
and they kind of took it and went their own
direction with it. And whether the instances of what they're
saying happened the way that they're saying that it happened,

(02:08:00):
I don't know. I was not there, but in saying that,
there was an incident that took place, and the circle
back around to it. Why is my hair turned red?

Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
You got to catch on fire?

Speaker 2 (02:08:19):
No, I was thinking about I was thinking about that
press secretary. That's you can circle back around?

Speaker 1 (02:08:25):
Oh god, so anyways circle back.

Speaker 2 (02:08:31):
So anyways, there there was the uh, there was an
incident where we went to this location, and I was
totally unaware that that individual had to show far with them.
I did not know they had it. I did not
know that they were going to use it. Yeah, so

(02:08:52):
we pulled into this location and we got there, and
and it was a few minutes after we got there.
I kind of stayed over near my truck and I
could hear them talking over by the other vehicle. Well,
next thing I hear, I hear the sho far and

(02:09:16):
then right after it. The only way I can describe
this is you want to talk about a glitch in
the matrix. I sat there and I stood there and
watched everything shift wow visually. And there was the gentleman

(02:09:38):
that was writing with me in my vehicle was looking
at a tower an observation of basically an old fire
tower through a thermal when this happened. And they thought
that when it happened that it was a glitch in
the thermal. They saw it too. Oh. I was like, no,

(02:10:01):
that was not a glitch. It was a it was
a actual glitch in time. Wow, and everything every space time,
everything everything shifted.

Speaker 1 (02:10:18):
The timeline shifted or something that sounds crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:10:21):
It's like, I don't know, it's like it's not just.

Speaker 1 (02:10:24):
A portal opening, it's a complete shift. It's like you're jumping.

Speaker 2 (02:10:29):
Well, I don't know if that's what it was. All
I know is after it happened, I just got the
feeling that there was there. There was there was a
portal opening that took place, and I didn't want to
be there. I told the guy that was riving me,
I don't care. You can keep driving me if you

(02:10:51):
want to, but I'm leaving. I don't want to be here.
I was ready to go. I didn't want to be
around it, you know, mhm. First off, I didn't know
that they even had it, and you know, they didn't
even see it when it happened. They didn't see that

(02:11:12):
shift in time. And it's just like everything just did
this number.

Speaker 1 (02:11:18):
Whoa wow.

Speaker 2 (02:11:21):
So I was visually seeing everything.

Speaker 1 (02:11:24):
Glitch wow, actually, glitch.

Speaker 3 (02:11:31):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:11:32):
Weird.

Speaker 1 (02:11:33):
That is that's wild man. You have really told some
told me some stuff tonight that I've not heard before.
And I am super gosh, thank you so much for
being so candid about all this. This is we need
to hear these things, especially me. You been out in
the woods and stuff, and I mean I've never been.
That's why I said it's important to be careful. They

(02:11:54):
know who you're going out in the woods with and
what they got with them and what they're planning to do.
I actually typed up operational orders for the team, and
so we have I'm not saying we're super strict and
we go by them one hundred percent all the time,
but there's a guide. There's guidelines there and I'm going
to add in the next of order, no show far y'all,

(02:12:16):
because that's I mean, that just sounds really that just
sounds kind of dangerous to me.

Speaker 2 (02:12:21):
The whole thing with it is, you know, not only
is it is it dangerous from from you know, just
a use perspective. You know, we don't really uh so
to say that we don't understand what when when these
things are answering the call that we don't. Let's let's

(02:12:46):
just put it like this. Some people, some people out
there don't understand why they are answering that call. They
have speculated why they are answering the call, but they
incorrect in some ways. So you don't know. It's just

(02:13:09):
like anything. If you if you see a dog walking
down the road and you whistle at it and you
try to get it to come over, you don't know
if that dog is gonna be friendly or whether he's
gonna bite you when you when he gets there.

Speaker 1 (02:13:24):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (02:13:27):
So you know, you don't know whether you're you're calling
these things to to just respond and show up, or
whether you call them, hey, come, you know it's.

Speaker 1 (02:13:38):
A meeting call. Boy, wouldn't that be.

Speaker 2 (02:13:43):
Something that that would be terrible?

Speaker 1 (02:13:46):
Cally, Yeah, that would be bad. So because you really
don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:13:53):
So there's a there's a lot of implications with it
that are unknowns that make it a very very dangerous
proposition to use one of those so far as to
call them. And that's just outside of the whole perspective
of you know, it being going against God's intended to

(02:14:15):
use for that instrument. Mm hm. Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:14:22):
We've we've touched on the so far before, but you've
never told us tell me this before here and uh
and so very very important information. I know a lot
of people in the chat even are familiar with it
and hearing the stories about them and stuff and seeing
them on I've I've seen I've heard about them, you know,
people using them on you know, other people's podcasts and stuff. Yeah,

(02:14:44):
but it's just something that nobody, nobody that I've ever
gone out in and field has ever had one. We've
never we've never done that. That would be something that
would be like experimental, I guess, you know, yeah, nobody's
nobody's use it. But I think the people, maybe I
would assume that a lot of the guys on my
teams would kind I know the implications of like what
that is and like what would happen maybe, but I
don't know now they will because I'll talk about it

(02:15:06):
with them.

Speaker 2 (02:15:07):
I need to. Well, Also, I just want to mention,
you know, some people might say, oh, well, he's just
but her because he's not involved and blah blah blah,
you know or whatever. Trust me, you know, I do
not care about limelight. I don't care about trying to
be somebody in this field. The only thing I care

(02:15:27):
about is the truth.

Speaker 1 (02:15:31):
And why I like you coming on the show.

Speaker 2 (02:15:33):
And at the end of the day, that's what matters
to me the most. And something that everybody needs to
understand is that there are people out there who do
not like the truth, even though they might say that
they do.

Speaker 1 (02:15:51):
Dang, we circled it around again.

Speaker 2 (02:15:54):
You want me to talk about some more folks.

Speaker 1 (02:15:56):
Back, Absolutely not. It's getting late. I only got like
five hours of sleep this morning. I say that I
was one of the last ones go to sleep last night.

Speaker 2 (02:16:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:16:05):
Early, it was actually early this morning out there in
the woods. I see it up because I didn't want
I didn't want Drewskie to stay it by himself. I
felt bad, so I stayed up. We had to have
somebody garden the garden. Everybody.

Speaker 2 (02:16:17):
Well, I was just joking, you know, like I said,
I'm not I'm not here to I'm not.

Speaker 1 (02:16:24):
Just kidding.

Speaker 2 (02:16:25):
I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to shut anybody
down or destroy anybody or steal anybody's thunder That's what
I want. Go for it, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:16:37):
Don't come at us, y'all. How many I think I
have to say that every time you call on it.
I'm like, y'all don't come at.

Speaker 2 (02:16:41):
Us well, you know, I mean, I don't even know
who y'all are.

Speaker 1 (02:16:46):
But I'm just saying I can appreciate that, you know,
I can appreciate it. We all just we do want
the truth, and uh, and it is sometimes it's it's tough.
You know a lot of people. Sometimes people take our
ideas or things we've got and they kind of run
with it, you know, and they take it and they
make it theirs and kind of distorted a little bit,
and some of that kind of stuff that happens to me. Okay,

(02:17:08):
but see the things I don't have that kind of
like the show far information like that's it's kind of
a that's kind of wild. It's kind of a big
deal too, because that's something that could shift our reality.
Like you said, like you watched it, the reality right
before your eyes.

Speaker 2 (02:17:23):
Yeah. The other thing about it is, you know, if
it opened a portal during that particular instance, you know,
there was no effort on that individual's part made to
close it because I'm assuming they don't know how to
close it if they opened one, And you know that's problematic,

(02:17:46):
you know, so it it explains me. I'm trying to
think of the best way to put this without breaking trust,
because if you don't have if you don't have honesty

(02:18:10):
and integrity and trust, then what do you have. So
I will just say that there have been some things
that have been encountered that do not fit the typical
Bigfoot Dog band description in the LBL, and I don't

(02:18:31):
know if it's the result of that or not leaving
portals unclosed.

Speaker 1 (02:18:42):
Yeah, yeah, this is real. This is real talk. That's
real talk. That's something that I I have to wonder sometimes,
you know, I talk a lot about like ritualistics, So
I mean, what's the difference. This is a this is
a kind of a weird question, but is there a

(02:19:04):
difference between like people going in there and doing like
Satanic rituals and stuff? As I know, it's different, but
like the show far like they're opening portals too, you
know what I mean. Like, I know that's a terrible
comparison to make, but it's kind of like, I mean,
it's not it's not any worse or better than that, right,
I mean, I don't know using that, especially in the

(02:19:24):
if you don't know what you're.

Speaker 2 (02:19:25):
Doing with it, it's if you're using it for that purpose. Now,
I don't know. I don't know if that would if
they would be equal, Yeah, I don't know, because I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:19:43):
Just with the result, you know what I mean, like
the result of like having a portal that's like opened
or and like conjuring something that could be potentially disastrous
you know, for the general public. I mean, my goodness,
you live not too far from there. You know that
that affects you and your family. If you got you
got dark entities running through you know, the National Park

(02:20:05):
over there, and it's right there at your home. You
know that the cryptids and the animals or they don't know,
they don't have boundaries, like if you know, they don't
know not across that that line of like the state
park or the National Park into your private area right there, yea,
into your yard.

Speaker 2 (02:20:21):
Well, I think, and this is just my opinion. You
know that if if you knowingly or unknowingly are opening
portals and not closing them, yeah, that you're doing something
that could be of hazard to someone else or yourself
because you don't know what's coming through that portal. There

(02:20:43):
may not be anything, but what if something decides to
come through that m h.

Speaker 1 (02:20:53):
Exactly exactly. Yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff, a
lot of weird stuff creeping around that that will be
all out there, and uh.

Speaker 2 (02:21:03):
Yeah, show talk about we didn't even talk about the people.

Speaker 1 (02:21:07):
I didn't talk about the weird weird people run around stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:21:10):
I know.

Speaker 1 (02:21:11):
Uh, there's no telling what I was going on out there, man,
and what all's been been conjured and you know, kind
of led through portals and stuff. So I do know
that I was talking to my buddy Harley last night
or today, a senior last night or today, and uh,
he was telling me, He's like, I've you know that place.
He said he felt that it was evil out there

(02:21:33):
at the l b L. He said that was what
he picked up on out there. He's like he didn't
even want to be there once he got up there.
He was like, this just it didn't feel good.

Speaker 2 (02:21:42):
Well there, there are there are places that that have
that feel. But I think overall it's not a not
an evil place, but there are places that are well.

Speaker 1 (02:21:58):
And that's kind of the same, right like anywhere you
go to because there can be times where you know,
in the research areas that I go to, I mean
just anywhere in everyday life. You know, you just go
somewhere and you know that place just feels evil. It
just feels off like corpswood Man or that place I
talk about in North Georgia. It's horrible. It's a horrible feeling.
When you go there. During the daytime, it's not so bad,

(02:22:21):
but at nighttime it's just it's an icky feeling. It's
really icky, and it's just not it's not it's not
swear you want to be certainly don't want to get
left there by yourself. I will not be demon bait. Okay,
I mean I've been. I'm sure I've been. I don't know,
I don't I'll be big foot bait. But I'm not
going to be bait at corpswood manor ever. I don't care.

(02:22:45):
I would never do that.

Speaker 2 (02:22:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:22:50):
But so yeah, But because my point was like it's
you know everywhere. You know, you can go one one
place and it feels okay, the next place just feels
like crap, you know, evil feeling. It's not just the
l BO, but.

Speaker 2 (02:23:06):
Is it is.

Speaker 1 (02:23:06):
It makes you wonder about the land and like the
history behind the land, like what's been done there is
that ritualistic you know what is the true history. See
all these all these subjects kind of meld together, you
know that I talk about everything just has kind of
connected and all melts together with our hidden history is
a big part of the missing puzzle too, Like what

(02:23:28):
truly has happened? What truly has been on these lands
that are so haunted and have cryptids there? What's the
true what's the truth behind it? It's not just all
surface level here, We've got there's layers to it.

Speaker 2 (02:23:43):
Oh yeah, and and everything, uh, every cause has some
kind of effect mm hm for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:23:58):
True, Yeah, there's always cause and effect. Yes, Oh, y'all.
I'm so sorry. I have not been keeping up with
all the comments for the past few minutes. I get
so I just get enthralled to get into the conversation.
I'm listening and we've got a lot of great a
lot of great comments tonight. And man, we've had a great,
great chat going on tonight. And so I think, thank

(02:24:23):
you for being here, Mark, and for being so candid. Gosh,
you've been really super candid every time you come on here,
and I really appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (02:24:32):
And well, one thing about it is, I'll be the
first to admit that I make no claims to being
anything other than myself. I don't claim to be an
expert on anything. My opinions are just that opinion. I'm
prone to be wrong and if I'm if I'm wrong
about something, I'm I'm I'm big enough to admit that

(02:24:56):
I was wrong and to change my perspective. Me too,
so you know, And I just want to make it
once again clear, I'm not trying to throw anybody under
the bus, but I think that it's it's important that

(02:25:20):
people know the backstory on some of these things, and
you know, because you know it, you know I'm not.

(02:25:40):
I guess what I'm trying to trying to say is
I'm not trying to get people to say, oh, well,
you know, we should only listen to what Mark has
to say about this and whatever. No, that's not what
I'm saying. I'm just saying we need to we need
to test the information that's being released because and that

(02:26:02):
goes whether it's from you know, people releasing show far
information or whatever. You know, if you encounter information, if
you don't, if you don't make an effort to test it,
then you have no way to validate it. And that's
where I think a lot of people fail is because

(02:26:27):
first off, they're not even trying to test the information.
They're just taking it as it is and saying, you know,
this is the gospel truth and this is the way
it happened. And you know, maybe that is not the case. Yeah,

(02:26:52):
but if you don't try to test it and validate it,
then you know where you're at.

Speaker 1 (02:26:59):
Yeah, Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's a that's a very
good point.

Speaker 2 (02:27:05):
Mark.

Speaker 1 (02:27:05):
And I know you've done You've done plenty of tests
in yourself. And uh, I am just like you, Like
I am super open stuff and uh I have literally
changed my mind about stuff live on air for everybody
to see. Okay, when I'm presented with some evidence, like
and I keep such an open mind. My mind is
kind of too open sometimes I think, like I think

(02:27:28):
was so far outside the box sometimes that it just
it's you know, I guess that's a good thing. I mean,
we got to have some people in this world that
does that do that, I guess, you know, Yeah, I
think I just try to see all the different possibilities
to things, and now look at before something I do something,
I think of all the different outcomes that can happen,
all the different timelines that that's going to create, and

(02:27:50):
which timeline do I want to go down? So every
decision we make puts this on another timeline basically, and uh,
and we have free will, We're able to do whatever.
Whatever we choose to do, we can do it. But
I'm striving for like my highest timeline all the time
and what's best for me and everybody involved. That's that's
why I look at it. And and so you know,

(02:28:12):
the truth is very important, no matter how bad it works,
and no matter how hard it is to say, the
truth is the ultimate goal here. And that's what my
channel's about. That's what the disclosure movements about as well.
It's like put everything out there, let's figure out what
the truth is, and let's go from there. And sometimes

(02:28:34):
it's a hard truth.

Speaker 2 (02:28:37):
Yeah, yeah, most definitely. Yeah, But you know, I just
I don't know, being being truthful and being an honest
person sometimes it's uh, kind of a not very popular

(02:29:00):
late environment.

Speaker 1 (02:29:03):
It's lonely, and these truth movements over here, it's kind
of like it lonely.

Speaker 2 (02:29:10):
Because you know the bottom line is, you know, when
when you have people that that you talk about that
may or may not be truthful, you know, they automatically
take that as a as an attack, and well, I
just want to make I'm not trying to attack anybody.
I'm just trying to share the truth. Yeah, and like

(02:29:34):
I said earlier, if it fits strap, that's the girl.

Speaker 1 (02:29:39):
Oh man, I love your brutal honesty. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:29:47):
Trust me, there's some people that don't.

Speaker 3 (02:29:51):
Actually, you know what you.

Speaker 1 (02:29:52):
Told me that when the first time I ever met you,
I talked to you and you're and you told me
that You're like, yeah, you know everybody likes my min.
I forgot how you said. He said it, just like,
however you just said it. I was like, it's brutally honest. Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:30:08):
Sometimes that's why.

Speaker 1 (02:30:09):
That's why. That's why I think it's cool, man, That's
why I like you, Mark. I know, I know, and
I appreciate it. And it's gonna stir up controversy. We're
gonna have people that get upset probably and they're the
more the more people that share this video out, the better.

Speaker 3 (02:30:29):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (02:30:29):
Go ahead, and please please subscribe and like the video
y'all and uh share it out cheered out everybody. Please.
We need the truth needs to be out there and
and ye know we we didn't neither Mark nor I.
We don't mean anything, you know, uh like trying to
hurt hi most feelings or you know, there's there's no

(02:30:50):
harm mint by this talk tonight that we've had.

Speaker 3 (02:30:53):
This is a talk.

Speaker 1 (02:30:54):
It needs to be said, okay, because whatever comes out
of our mouths probably needs to be said.

Speaker 2 (02:30:58):
I'm just saying, well, you know, it's like, you know,
I mean, when I when I was joking around and
asking if you want me to talk about some other people,
I mean no, I mean, don't stop.

Speaker 1 (02:31:12):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (02:31:13):
Please don't. I mean, I don't know. It's just it's
just kind of bizarre because there's it's like some people
just I don't know, it's like they live in some
kind of fantasy land where you ever played that game

(02:31:34):
when you're a kid, Fantasy Land?

Speaker 1 (02:31:36):
Yes, I did, with the candy Canes and all that.
That was one of my favorite games when I was
a kid. It was a board game. If you guys
aren't familiar with that, I think from what I can recall,
maybe I'm thinking of candy Land. I think is that
the same thing. Yeah, okay, yeah, what's up? It's we

(02:32:01):
all were living in our own reality, you know. And
but if but if, if, if everybody wants true disclosure,
true truth. I think I think that Mark put a
lot of this out on the table tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:32:12):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (02:32:12):
This is some Mark you haven't You've never talked about
this stuff so candidly on my show before when it
comes to like so far stuff and you know, a
lot of a lot of these things. And I just
appreciate it. And so if youbody who's ever wondering, because
we all hear about it and stuff, and so this
is you heard it from the source tonight, everybody. That's
all I'm saying. Okay, heard from Like.

Speaker 2 (02:32:32):
I said, I'm not trying to try to trying to
be somebody, you know. I just I sat here and
I told everybody that I actually had to get secre
repentance for even sharing that. So you know, I'm not
I'm not trying to make money off of it in
any way. You know, I'm I'm out here trying to

(02:32:55):
promote the truth and to get people to to that
may be uh tempted to use that method to consider
not doing so because of not just the the physical
but the spiritual implications of it. So anyhow.

Speaker 1 (02:33:14):
Yeah, well, well now we know. The more you know,
you know, I got that's shooting star. The more you
know guys, and uh yeah, thank you Mark so much
for being here tonight.

Speaker 4 (02:33:28):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:33:28):
You always keep it spicy. I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm
I'm still I'm still going off pure adrenaline from the
dog Man investigation and stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:33:40):
So sweet till your phone starts ringing.

Speaker 1 (02:33:44):
I don't answer my phone. Anybody who calls me, he
knows I don't answer. Okay, Well, I mean i'll answer
some people. I got your number of my phone. I
feel like it's talking. I'll answer it, okay, but I
keep my keep my finger off, I keep my surprise.

Speaker 2 (02:33:57):
Mine has it sort of ringing.

Speaker 1 (02:33:59):
It's gonna be all I get. Or spam calls. What
about y'all? Everybody gets spam calls.

Speaker 2 (02:34:03):
I get.

Speaker 1 (02:34:03):
Nobody gives me spam calls, is me. I don't know
why it's I get a lot of Spanish every time
I look at my phone. It's like possible spam. Yeah yeah,
somebody somebody put my number in some kind of something,
you know, so I get spam calls all the time.
I won't change my number. I don't answer it anyways.

(02:34:24):
But anyways, oh my gosh, yeah, no nobody cared. People
people know not to hit me up about all this stuff.
I'm just saying they.

Speaker 2 (02:34:34):
Know not hit me up.

Speaker 3 (02:34:38):
They know it.

Speaker 1 (02:34:39):
I'm just kidding. I don't even know who they are, y'all.
I was just kidding. I'm I'm obviously tired. It has
been a long weekend and it's only Saturday night. But yeah,
I want to give a shout out to all my
fellows that are out there in the woods right now,
chasing dog Man and Bifoot and y'all know who you are.
I hope everybody gets home safe tomorrow and whenever y'all

(02:35:02):
get out of there, I hope everybody gets something safe.
And uh, and Mark, thanks again for being here. Where
can everybody find you? I know you got your you
got a YouTube channel, and you got a website.

Speaker 2 (02:35:14):
Yeah, I'm on. I'm on YouTube and I've got my
website Cryptonville dot com. You know, I know, I keep
saying that I'm gonna update my content, but you know,
spare with me.

Speaker 1 (02:35:31):
Take your time. You're busy.

Speaker 2 (02:35:34):
Yeah I am, I am that so but yeah, thanks
for having me on again, and.

Speaker 1 (02:35:42):
Uh, anytime man, I know this is y'all.

Speaker 3 (02:35:49):
I got it.

Speaker 1 (02:35:50):
Full disclosure. I put this this show together like super
last minute, Okay. I did because I didn't know if
I was going to be back or not. Okay. And
I was messaging with Mark. I was like, on the
show tonight, please please come home with me. Let's let's
just talk about whatever, okay.

Speaker 2 (02:36:05):
And and I'm the one that pick and you did,
and Mark I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:36:10):
He didn't have to tell everybody that, but you did.
And I and I and I thank you for that.
And well, we didn't know where it was gonna go tonight, y'all.
It was not pre planned. Was wondering.

Speaker 2 (02:36:22):
I just felt like there were some things that and
and there are some other things, you know, for the
future that should be addressed as well. And you know,
once again, I'm not I'm not trying to throw anybody
into the bus with this stuff. I'm just I'm just
trying to promote honesty. I guess it's probably the honesty.

Speaker 1 (02:36:46):
How about that, y'all?

Speaker 2 (02:36:50):
Because because there you know, I mean, so, so, let
me ask you a question, Jessica. Okay, if as an example,
let's say me, you Drew. I'm trying to think of

(02:37:12):
somebody else. Okay, uh Robbie, Uh yeah, I'm trying to
think of somebody else. Okay, Harley, let's just pull some
random names out there.

Speaker 1 (02:37:32):
I've been in the field with all of them.

Speaker 2 (02:37:34):
Okay. So let's say we all go to the field. Okay,
we're out there, we have an experience, right, why would
you why would you be inclined to come back? And
when you relate the story to exclude one or more

(02:37:54):
of those people from that story?

Speaker 3 (02:37:58):
Oh man, I know, I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:38:02):
Pretty you know, it's so weird because I just had
this conversation about something else, Like there's a very similar situation.
That's weird. We're not gonna talk about this on air.
But yeah, there's there's really no reason to do that unless,
like you know, well, I in my experience, I know
a lot of people talk about me behind my back
and all that kind of stuff, and they don't want

(02:38:23):
to be associated. They want people to know they're associated
with me and stuff, you know, And and I don't
think it's now, but back and back. You know, there's
a little while people were like that because I was
a crazy I was a crazy one because somebody said
I was so it's that. So it's the same thing.
It's Sam Sam scenario, different day, okay. And and that's

(02:38:45):
just how people are. It's weird. It's so weird, isn't it.
I've been there. I've been there. Mark. I feel you.
I don't know what you're going through, but I know it.
I've been there.

Speaker 2 (02:38:56):
It's just, you know, it's just kind of a weird
thing that I've encountered.

Speaker 1 (02:39:01):
I bet people in the audience have been through that too,
doubt it. That's right, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (02:39:10):
It is what it is. Joe says.

Speaker 1 (02:39:13):
The truth scares many. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (02:39:16):
I know. You know.

Speaker 1 (02:39:17):
That's why I'm always telling the audience like and on
my Hunt Club, especially if you guys want to become
a member of my Hunt Club, you can't. I do
like I talk.

Speaker 2 (02:39:25):
I give talks like this.

Speaker 1 (02:39:26):
I just sit around, I turned the camera and I
start talking and stuff and and I talk about that.
And it's so important. Something that I really, I really
focus on, is like us being our authentic selves and
living in our truth and standing in our truth. I mean,
I I don't know if I could even lie. I mean,
it'd be so hard for me to lie about something

(02:39:48):
I I just I don't know. It's like I'm allergic
to it, to lies and stuff like I don't. I
don't like that and uh and and I may I
may get something wrong occasionally, but it's not because I
meant meant to you know what I mean? Like, I know,
I live my truth as I live my truth as
I know it. Okay, does that make sense? Like, I
don't know. I just it's so important just for us

(02:40:09):
to be ourselves and and and not not try to
be something we're not, okay, And that just it circles
back around, circle around to the truth. And and I
stand in my truth and I live in my truth,
and so do you. And that's why I respect you
and I appreciate you, okay, Mark, And yeah, so yeah,

(02:40:31):
we stand on business, y'all. We keep it anted, we
keep it a we keep it one hunt. We stand
on business over here. So if y'all want to y'all
want to stand on business, y'all, come over to the
Crypti Hunter's channel. Oh my gosh, Yeah, well this is
this has been a fun show, y'all. I know it's

(02:40:52):
getting late, and I hope everybody enjoyed this tonight. And yeah,
you'll share it out, y'all. S this out and anybody
can use to hear the truth.

Speaker 2 (02:41:05):
Oh man, if they want more.

Speaker 1 (02:41:10):
Well next time I we will do another last minute
show and I have markin and that's a funny day Mark, like,
and we never know, like there's no like pre planning this,
so like, you know, nobody we didn't have We didn't
have any trolls in the chat. It was so fascinating.
I'm just saying, I'm just kidding. All right, Oh god,
I love I love doing this, y'all. If y'all can't tell,

(02:41:31):
this is so fun. Okay, Well everybody, I hope everybody
enjoyed this, and everybody please come back and see me.
I will be back on Monday. I do have Bryce
coming on the show with Esoteric and Lena. We're gonna
be talking about Haunted Late Lanear and all those civilizations
that are lost under the lakes across America. And it's

(02:41:51):
going to be so good, y'all. It's going to be
so good, and so please come back at one o'clock
pm Eastern twelve Central on Monday. Okay, and uh yes,
I'm gonna go get me some sleep.

Speaker 3 (02:42:03):
Mark.

Speaker 1 (02:42:04):
It's been a god it's been a long couple of days,
and uh, nonetheless, I made it back and I'm so
glad we got to do a show. Yeah, any last words, Mark,
before we go.

Speaker 2 (02:42:21):
If you can't be truthful with others, then you definitely
can't be truthful to yourself and there and they're both
equally as bad.

Speaker 1 (02:42:35):
Oh my gosh, y'all. We stand stand on business, y'all,
and everybody please be safe out there, have a wonderful night,
and uh come back and see me on Monday. Keep
your head on swivel, y'all, and and stand in your
truth no matter what, speak your truth even if your
voice shakes, right Mark, Oh yeah, yeah, your voice didn't

(02:42:57):
shake though. Oh here's a picture I was gonna show.
I didn't want to show this picture because I look
horrible in this picture, been rainy, But this was This
was us last night.

Speaker 2 (02:43:04):
That's me.

Speaker 1 (02:43:04):
That's me even no megap on. Yeah, it's just quick.
There's Drew Ski and Harley and me. I had a
terrible picture of me, but anyways, the only picture I
had of us from last night. So but anyways, that
was us and a dog man investigation. All right, y'all,
everybody have a great night, and like I said, speak
your truth and and i'll see y'all back on Monday.

(02:43:25):
Thanks Mark, Bye, y'all, have a good night.

Speaker 4 (02:44:00):
It's it's it's it's it's it's it's.

Speaker 2 (02:44:18):
So, it's

Speaker 4 (02:44:24):
It's

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