Midwest Dogman Encounters & the Michigan Triangle Enigma

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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Well, good evening, everybody. It's the crypton Huntress. I'm Jessica Jones.
Welcome into On the Hunt tonight where we are going
on the hunt with my buddy Riley Watson of the
Midwest mid Oast podcast. You guys, y'all remember Riley. He
came on last weekend with the whole crew of the

(01:14):
Cryptid Warfare CW operators and survival crew and with Harley Owens.
We were out in East Tennessee together about two was
that a two weeks ago? Two weeks ago this weekend?
We were out there chasing Bigfoot and dog Man. We
thought I was kind of I thinking I was going
out there for a dog man thing, like I thought
it was gonna be all dog Man. Ended up being

(01:35):
all Bigfoot for the most part. And that is so
typical of a lot of these investigations that we go on.
I go looking for dog Man and I end up
with Bigfoot, and that is totally fine with me. But
we had a great time and this really did change
Riley's life, he said. And so we'll touch a little
bit on that tonight, just in case you guys missed

(01:55):
the show last weekend. And Riley has a really great
podcasts is called Midwest Mythos, and we are going to
dive into some of the things that he's covered not
only on his podcast but in real life. He lives
up near Indiana, Michigan area. We're going to get into
Michigan dog Man tonight. We're going to get into some
melon heads and things like that. I mean, he's he's

(02:17):
got a lot of information and has done a lot
of research up there, and I can't wait to get
this show started. So if you guys would like to
follow along with all of my shows and everything, please
go over to my website that's the Crypti Huntress dot com.
You can find everything over there and including all my
social media and all the events I'm going to be

(02:38):
at and shout out to every single person who came
out to the Myrtle Beast Bigfoot Festival today. I appreciate
each and every one of you guys, and from the
bottom of my heart, we all thank you for being
a part of that amazing event today. And I can't
wait until the next one. I can't wait till the
next one. The next event that I have coming actually

(03:00):
is going to be the Full Disclosure Now Conference. I
believe that's the next one. Actually, the World UFO Conference
is coming up before that, I believe, and that's going
to be in mount Airy, Georgia. I think that's in June. Okay,
June the nineteenth, I'm not mistaken. I will be at that. Okay,
I think I'm gonna be another keynote speaker. Actually, so
so y'all come to see me that. I'll have more

(03:21):
information on my website here pretty soon. And I've just
been so busy, y'all, I've been so busy. And but
the next one that I will be at will be
at the Full Disclosure Now conference in Saint Petersburg, Florida.
You know, polease come see me at that too. And
I do have a discount code. Hopefully my my moms
will put the discount code.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I know.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Andrew's really good about that. Thank you, Andrew. I've got
the best mods on the internet, the best chat on
the internet, and I am so blessed that all of
you guys are here with us tonight. Okay, Well, let's
get into our show, y'all, and let's get Riley up. Okay.
Riley is, like I said, he is the creator of

(03:59):
the west Mithos podcast based out of Indiana Michigan area,
and we have definitely spent some time in the woods
chasing bigfoots together. It might have been his first time
in the woods chasing bigfoot I don't know, but you
guys please help me. Welcome to the show, mister Riley Watson.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Hey, Riley, Hey, how you doing.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Hey, I'm excellent. I'm I'm a little I'm a little
busy and tired, to be honest with you, but I'm
doing excellent. I'm almost rested up from that trip that
we went on up in East Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
How about you the same here, just keeping it going,
getting stuff that needs to get done. You got some
big things coming up on my end, just kind of
working on them. We got one year of the show
coming up next week actually, so it's just got some
exciting stuff planning for that and then just coming back
down to Earth after our trip.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Oh man, Okay, First of all, congratulations on your one
year anniversary. Second of all, I was wondering if you
had gotten like processed everything, because what you experienced out there, like,
I'm used to all that, I'm used to it. I'm
used to all the weird stuff and falling on my button,
getting mud all over me and getting chased by big
Foot and me chasing them. This was all kind of

(05:16):
new to you.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Right, Uh yeah, well the environment was for sure. We
got dense woods and stuff up in Michigan and northern Indiana,
but nothing compares to the mountains. It's a whole different,
whole different world. So I was way out of my
element and it let me know that.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Oh yeah, well it was I can't imagine, you know,
in the middle of the night running out of there,
like having to run like if something had come after us.
You know, I was out there Friday night and it's
just the hills and the dense vegetation out there and everything.
It was pretty intense. That was very intense out there.
And the rain, the rain made super slippery. Oh yeah,

(05:58):
so that didn't help much. Yeah, but how so that
that kind of changed change your perspective a little bit,
right crypti field research and maybe life in general.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, it really did. So the biggest thing that I
took away from it is just because you're big and
bad and you know your area where you're from very well,
does not mean that you'll be able to take all
the skills you've acquired in your environment and they'll automatically
transfer to a new place, because, like, it's real flat
around here where I'm at. You can see twenty miles

(06:34):
ahead of you if you're at the right cornfield. But
once you get to the mountains, I mean, it just
changes everything. A lot of the stuff that I prepared
for I wasn't actually able to do because there was
just no area that I'm familiar with. So I packed
like I was going to be in some giant flat area,

(06:55):
maybe like a metal or something that was That was
not the case whatsoever. No.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
You know, my team actually has a spot that we
investigate called the Meadow and uh, and it's pretty flat.
There's mountains stuff around it out there. I was, as
you were saying that, I was thinking cornfields. I've actually
been to Nebraska once and I'll never forget how flat
it was there. You're right, it was so flat out there.
I had never seen anything like it in my life. I
was not used to that. And if I recall, I

(07:23):
believe it's the Beast of Bray Road, the dog men
out is that is that Wisconsin?

Speaker 3 (07:28):
I think?

Speaker 1 (07:28):
I don't. It seems like they have They were seen
in cornfields, right, Yep.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, Bray Road. Everybody thinks just from the stories it's
a very very wooded area. It is not. It is
small patches of woods. And then everything else was cornfields
and like apple orchards and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
You know, when I was a kid, one of the
scariest movies that I used to watch was and this
was when we'd go to my grandparents house because they
had HBO and cable and we didn't. I lived out
in the country, out on a farm. We didn't have
any cable. We had another an antenna on our TV
for the longest time. And so when you go to
their house and go spend the night, they had HBO
and stuff Nickelodeon, and we would stay up late with

(08:10):
my cousins and watch Children of the corn Oh yeah,
that's I mean, I'm I'm kind of I'm up there
in age compared to some of you guys. Okay, but
that was like my thing when I was a kid.
Children of the Corner. I'll never forget and I've never looked.
I've never been a huge fan of cornfields after that movie, yet,
I just can't be.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, that one kind of ruined it for me because
as a kid, I was terrified of everything. Like when
I mean everything, I mean everything. Sometimes Scooby Doo was
a little too much for me, and so for some
reason I thought it would be a good idea to
prove to myself I was tough and watch Children of

(08:48):
the Corn of my family, and that was a big mistake.
I would not go out in corn fields until I
was like fifteen because of that movie.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Oh man, well, you had corn fields all around you.
Luckily for me, I had I had cornfield, but it
was in the pasture or in the in the the garden, sorry,
the garden. We had. We had some corn. We didn't
have cornfields. We had some corn and uh and I
never had to worry about people walking out of there. Okay,
we I don't know. I never really thought about that.
But but dog men, I mean that that's gonna be
a great place for cryptids to hide. I would think,

(09:18):
you know. It sort of made me think of the
guys from Cryptis of the Corn mister e Okay, Like,
I love those guys. They're great and great information. But
cryptids are in the corn.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Right one percent, especially up here because it's cornfields and
then button up against every single cornfield. It's acres of
woods and then once you get to the other side
of the woods, it's more cornfields. And it's just a
pattern that goes across the whole Midwest.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Wow. Well, you know, I get a lot of reports
of dog men out there in the in the Midwest,
and I have to wonder, like what is going on
out there? Like what what would be your theory? Just
so like why are there's so many dog men in
that area, like Michigan, Ohio, even in Indiana as well.
I mean, uh, Michigan and Ohied the two biggest concentrations

(10:09):
of dogmas heightings, I believe. Why do you think that is?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I would honestly have to say the amount of just
dense forest and the livestock is crazy up here, along
with just wild wild games, tons and tons of deer,
tons and tons of turkeys, everything you can think of.
Squirrels you can look out in the woods. I didn't
realize how scarce squirrels were across the country until I

(10:35):
started talking to people. It's like, oh, you know, it's
rare to see a squirrel, And I'm like, well, I
see forty of them every time I look out my window.
And deer I grew up in a play like I
grew up in the woods, but you know there's houses
around us in Lake Michigan was five hundred feet away
and we had still have deer, little herds of eight

(10:56):
deer walk through our yard and stuff like that. So
I think it's just the food and the immense amount
of like dark forest that they can hide because these
are evergreen forest they stay dark all the time, like
even during the day, it's hard for the light to
get through them, so perfect hiding spots. And if we
really want to get into it, you know, there's a
lot of military bases and stuff like that we can

(11:18):
get into the military. Yeah, genetic manipulation and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Well, that is that is a recurring theme with a
lot of these cryptid sightings. And I have some guys
on my team who are former military current military who
have actually had face to face encounters with bigfoots, bigfoots
literally on army basis and military basis when they're out
there doing training in the woods and stuff down especially
down in South Georgia. They've had some instances with that.

(11:49):
And you know, I've got one of the guys on
my team he encountered d what is that the one
that's up in DC. Golly, I can't remember that. They
it was a bigfoot actually, oh it has the big
teeth and it was really dark. I can't remember his name,
but anyways, he ain't encountered that I don't think of
in a minute, blurted out. Okay, but yeah, it was
on right through by a military base. A lot of

(12:10):
these things are, and that's something I know. I talk
about a good bit with the underground, deep underground military bases,
and a lot of times in these national parks. I
believe personally there's a connection to the deep underground military
bases in our federal national parks. We got out there,
so there's no telling what all kind of things you're
going on underneath our feet.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Oh yeah, well, even with that. In Michigan, the biggest
dense area of dog Man is the Manistee National Forest.
Now it's a Manistee here on National Forest. They kind
of merged the two together and that's where all like
your famous dog Man sightings and stuff are. That's where
it's super super dense and it's not a lot of
people live there. Scattered throughout it, there's a couple of

(12:52):
little houses, maybe a couple of farms throughout it, but
mostly it's just the highway that runs right through it,
and it woods in campgrounds here and there.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Oh man, Yeah, I've Actually it seems like Michigan came
up when we were talking about the alleged dog man
breeding programs. And you know, there's a gentleman that was
going on a channel on YouTube that was talking about
claiming that he was a whistleblower, and I think as
An was Victor maybe, but he was part of this
program that had been going on since the nineteen fifties
where they were actually breeding, basically breeding dog men and

(13:28):
bigfoots and wear wolves, I think is what he was saying.
And I did a show on it. I think somebody
gave me that as a remote viewing target a long
time ago. But I think that it's one hundred percent possible, Okay,
it's I think it's one hundred percent possible that that
kind of stuff is going on. I'm a firm believer
that it is, and just from having people that have
contacted me doing all these shows that I do, claiming

(13:50):
that they have been contracted to go out and take
out the problematic dog men things like that and explain
the process of how what they do and where they
take the bodies and all that kind of stuff. I mean,
I've a people give you some pretty detailed information on
that before. Oh yeah, I don't know. I want to
I want to join a team, just I want to

(14:11):
go out. Can I Can I do a bring your
friend a work day please?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
So so funny about that is for April Fool's Day,
the Michigan DNR thought it'd be funny to talk about
their favorite animal, and they did a whole thing breaking
down the dog man. They made a whole post this
is the height, this is the environment, this is what
it does. And they're joking about it, like make joking

(14:36):
about it. So I I I sent them a message
on Instagram. I was like, hey, very funny, Joe Kahahan.
They're like, yeah, I know it ain't it good? And
I was like, you guys, seriously, guys, though, are you
looking for a dog man researcher? And they're like, I
don't think that's a They're like, I don't think that's
a real position, Bud, And I was like, A, wait
to shoot my I was, I shot my shot?

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Well you call kind of called them out on it, though,
that's that's really interesting because you know they say that
there's that garment retribution, right, whereas, uh, they have to
kind of tell you. And when I say they, they
they those people they have to they put it out
there like jokes. And that's kind of the way it's
always been. It is like the the people in charge,
people who are in the know, okay, secret societies, agencies,

(15:22):
whatever it is, they kind of have to put things
out there to say it so that we know and
down the line they can be like, well, we told
you all, y'all just didn't believe us exactly.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
It's not put it on the April Fool's Day.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Oh wow. Well, you know, I think that it's it's
cool that you're you're telling me that. I've never heard
that before. So I think that for us to keep
an eye out for things like that, uh, to look
at it, because you know, there is even a legislator
out in Oklahoma that was trying to pass a bill
that would you know, I don't know if I think
it was kind of tongue in cheap, but it was
like for you know, bigfoot hunting Day or something like that.

(16:00):
It was like, come on, that's really terrible. Don't don't
don't tag them and bag them and whatever. I mean
that that's what could go wrong when you have people
hunters going out there to go shoot at bipedal humanoids.
You know what I mean, like, what could possibly go wrong?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah? Yeah, personal experience?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah no, yeah, yeah, not good. But wow, that's interesting.
Way was that in Indiana that you were saying that?
Or was that in Michigan?

Speaker 2 (16:29):
That was the Michigan's page. If after we get done here,
I can I have screenshots of the conversation I had
with him, I'll send me away as god, oh my.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Gosh, we'll put them up on Yeah. I'd love to
see them actually, I mean because you know, you go
to you go to look at the Michigan dog Man
and you get pictures like this, you know, historical accounts
like from the eighteen hundreds of dog Man sightings in Michigan, Okay,
like super old accounts. I mean, there's there's a lot
of different accounts. I think you and I were talking

(16:58):
seems like we were talking with Drewski was still hanging
out with We're talking about the talking about the Ohio
grave digging dog Man. I think because I was actually
getting that confused with the Michigan dog Man. I think
and I forgot that was actually in Ohio with Colleen
Norris was the one that reported on that came on
the show. But that's uh, there's just a she said

(17:18):
that it was wild how many dog man investigations she's done,
and she was a big foot field researcher. But there's
just a whole lot of them up there around where
she lives. I mean truckers seeing them on the side
of the road. A lot of people see them on
the side of the highway.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
That's well, my wife about two three months ago now
she actually saw one.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Oh she did.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, she's gonna she's gonna she's gonna hear me and
get mad that she ain't telling it.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
But she come on, tell her to come on. She
wanted to surprise. Surprise. You're on the Crypti Hunter channel
talking about that'd be fantastick. You guys never know where
we're going to go on the show. I would love

(18:09):
I actually would love to hear. I love hearing first
hand accounts of dog man okay, or any kind of
cryptid Actually here you go.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
To tell her it's a real short one, or do
you want me to just tell.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
It, not really like came it's okay. Hey, hello, hey,
welcome to the Crypted Hunter Show.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
What's your name again?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Hey, I'm Jessica. I'm a cryptid huntress. I'm Jessica. It's
nice to meet you. Well, Riley was saying that you
had a may have seen a dog man. I would
love to hear about that. I love to hear about it.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
I was driving home. I don't know what time it was.
It was late, it was like ten or eleven. Yeah,
I was driving home from Michigan. It was around where
was it between New Buffalo and Union Peer, I think,

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And I I thought it was a deer standing in
the road. Like there's a million things that go through
my head and like a split second, right, but I
thought it was a deer, and I'm driving, and as
I get closer, I'm like, oh wait, that's not a deer.
And I looked at it and it literally looked like

(19:31):
this giant like werewolf looking thing, like kind of hunched over,
just sitting in the road, and it was like staring
at me, and it felt like it was like staring
through me. If that makes sense, it does. And then
I also and then it just like vanished, but I

(19:56):
I could see through it like it wasn't which kind
of freaked me out. It wasn't like I don't know,
I don't know how. It wasn't like quite transparent. It
was almost like a shadow. But I basically I feel
like is what it was. And then yeah, as I
got closer, I thought I was going to hit it.
So my heart like fell to my butt.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Basically, oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
I freaked out because I had my daughter in the
backseat too, But yeah, I mean that's pretty much it.
And I was on the phone with Riley when it happened,
and I was like, Uh, what the freak was that?
Oh my, Like, what what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (20:35):
And then I told him.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
He was like that kind of sounds like it was
a dog man, and I was like, okay, cool, Oh
my gosh.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
You know, I actually have two things to compare what
you what you saw to two accounts that I've taken,
and one of them is actually Mark meycheck Cryptoville, who's
usually in the check. He's one of my moderators too.
He comes on the show with me sometimes and he
was at the Land between the Lakes and Kentucky and
and he ran into a what he thought was a deer,
and he said that it looked like a deer and everything,

(21:03):
and then he realized that it wasn't a deer. Yeah,
and it looked like it actually had paint smeared down
his face and it was it looked very much how
you just described that. But he said it was trying.
It was almost like it was trying to make itself
look like a deer. Yeah, but it was like a
coyote looking face, but it was like bipedal on two
legs and stuff. So there's that. And then we've also

(21:25):
got another account down in Florida of the Fort Pierce
dog Man, and that is actually on camera, and it
is on The guy named Blue was doing a Facebook
live video and he had seen something in his backyard,
like a werewolf or something. And he opened up his
back door during this Facebook live and this thing ran
past his back underneath the street light, and it looked transparent,

(21:47):
almost like shadowy, kind of like how you described it.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
That's really Yeah. You have to look at it. You
have to get Riley to look that up for you.
Fort Pierce dog Man and and and I can send
a link to the show that that and I did
about the deer the dog man that look like a
deer would Yeah, thank you for sharing that. That is
so cool. Of course, thank you keep your doors locked
in your car. Okay, that was awesome. That was so sweet.

(22:17):
Oh my gosh, thank you for having her share that
with us. I really appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, and it's so cool.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
That there's a how she described that has actually been
described before and other encounters.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yes, so she has she is just getting into this world.
Oh yeah, but when we got married, she did not
know anything whatsoever about this kind of stuff. So she
knows Bigfoot and she knows moth man, and she had
heard me talk about the dog man. But that to
me like that, I mean, she's my wife. I'm gonna

(22:50):
believe her. But the fact that she's just like, it
looked like a werewolf, but I don't know. You always
call it something, but I don't know what it is.
And I was like, oh, dog man. She's like, yes,
that's what the days it looks like that thing that's
on your shirt. So I got a Cryptids of the
Corn shirt that has like two dog men in the
middle of the street. And she's like, I should her
the shirt once you got that's exactly what I saw.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Whoa, that's wild. A lot of times they are crouched
down eating, eating like roadkill and stuff like I just
keep thinking about the I think it's the Beast of
Bray Road again. It's like that's the one where people
were seeing it crouched down on the side of the
road eating carcasses and stuff. Yeah, oh yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Need to make my way up that way.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
How far are you from there?

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Probably four and a half hours, five maybe?

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Oh wow, yeah, I mean I have to wonder, like
how how dense is the population of dogmen up there?
Like how dense is it? And she was describing it
it's looking like a deer, so it must have been
like a lighter color, right, like not like the pitch black,
dark colored dogmen that we hear about a lot too,
like how Mark described it. I've heard that a lot
about like the like coyot kind of like coyotes more

(24:03):
than a German shepherd or you know. I guess we're
all just all different. They're all different. This is that
little drawing though of the Michigan dog man. That one
has a tail, and I'd be interested to know if
that once she saw I had a tail, she didn't
mention it. I had to ask. I had to ask
her somehow this little bushy tail. Oh man, Well, you

(24:24):
know you had actually mentioned when you and I were
talking earlier, you mentioned something about the Michigan Triangle. Oh, yes,
what is what is that? Do you think that has
anything to do with the with the dog man population
up there and all that high strangeness?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yes, I would think so. So how people define the
lines of it is there's it's I think it's manitoa
wiscon yep, then Luddington, Michigan, and then the most south
point is Beton Harbor, Michigan. I grew up five minutes
north of there. So the boundaries we like as humans

(25:02):
to make the boundaries think, oh, everything that happens is
inside those boundaries. But I personally like to take it
in almost one point five times the size of it,
because at each of these points where it's at in
this image that you have pulled up, if you just
go out a little bit farther, that's where you have
all these major things that are happening in the Wisconsin signs.

(25:24):
You got Bray Road on the Luddington north of Muskegan.
That's where that dark green that's all the Manistee National
Forest and you can see it ties into the Huron.
So there's a lot of stuff that happens in the
Lake Michigan triangle, and it's everything from shipwrecks, plane crashes,

(25:48):
UFOs like crazy. I can't tell you how many possible
UFOs I've seen over my life. I can tell you
three definitive times where I know they were UFOs. But
there's just all kinds of high strangeness that just goes
on in this area.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Uh UFOs, I remember. Okay, So a couple of years ago,
there were UFOs being chased by fighter jets. Do you
remember that? And uh? And I remember one of them
actually got shot down over the coast of Myrtle Beach.
That's where I'm going this weekend or where I've yeah,
where I've been this weekend. Yeah, and uh and so
that's uh, that's my my uncle Actually, my uncle Ken

(26:28):
got a video of that and uh and was able
to I guess he documented it as allegedly it was
being shot down or something. It was like like a
weather balloon though, and I thought, I felt like, oh man,
that that was the one that like they allowed, you know,
they put out there that wasn't an actual UFO that's
got a lot of coverage on the news, right, But
the one that was over the Great Lakes. There was

(26:50):
one over the Great Lakes, and I feel like maybe
that one was more of a real one, okay, because
there wasn't a whole lot of footage of it. They
didn't make as big of a deal about that one.
But it feels like there's something wonky about that though,
wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, it was really weird because we heard about it
for a second. Everybody was talking about it, and then,
like you said, it just didn't get any kind of coverage.
So all you had was people like talking on x
our local news stations really talking about it, but it
did not make the national news or anything like that.
So it was quite a coincidence that the night it

(27:24):
happened there was also a starlink was going through as well.
So I remember me and some people were freaking out.
We're like, oh my gosh, look those are the light
like these weird light formations in the sky all over
the news. Everybody's calling local stations and then they're just oh,
it was starlink. So we're like, oh man.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, the first not the first time I saw starlink,
But one of the times I saw starlink was up
and we were doing that Skinwalker Cave investigation with the
CW operators up there in North Tennessee, and and some
of the guys were with us. They were so shocked
by it. They were like, they never even heard of starlink.
So they said that it had they had seen that.
And it was pretty low flying too. When we saw it. It

(28:07):
was when we were walking out in the middle of
a field, like a sweeping field or something, looking for
dog man and uh. And they saw it and they
were like, well, they said they would have completely freaked
out had they not had us there to tell them,
like what that was? It is? It is? It looks
like a bunch of UFOs. It looks like a train
flying through the sky. What looks like like Amtrak train

(28:28):
or something. But uh, but wow, there's there's I was
just reading a news article too, okay to go with
all the high strangeness of this this lake, okay, in
this triangle I was seeing somewhere And I did mention
it the other day about we were talking about all
these man made lakes that have been covering up lost civilizations.
And last week I covered or was it last week

(28:50):
or week before last? I guess was last week with
Bryce we talked about Late Linear Curse Late Linear here
in Georgia and how it covered up a a whole town,
displaced hundreds of families, and it's cursed like it's got
more people that die from boating accidents and drownings than
any just about any other lake in the United States

(29:12):
every year. And then we talked about Lake Norris and
Tennessee and how they made that lake and covered up
a knowingly covered up an ancient Egyptian temple and a
settlement there. And then earlier this week I did a
show on Let's see what was at the Lake Norman Monster, Okay,
and that's out of North Carolina, and they're talking about it.

(29:36):
I actually went down a list of like all these
other lakes that were man made in North Carolina where
they had covered up towns and cities. And there's one
that had a train wreck that still the train is
still wrecked underneath the water there. And not only is
all this dangerous, people are boating and swimming over these
towns and these lost cities and civilizations down there. I mean,

(29:56):
we really don't know what's down there. Yeah, we know
there are little towns and graveyards and churches and everything
down there, but what else is being covered up?

Speaker 2 (30:06):
You know?

Speaker 1 (30:06):
I just feel like our history is way deeper and
way more ancient than what we've been told, and these
lakes and things are covering it up. Oh my point
was I'm sorry, The point was that Lake Huron I
think was it Heroin where they have that it looks
like Stonehenge down there?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Oh la, Lake Michigan is Michigan?

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Okay, what is that? Are you familiar with what I'm
talking about?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Oh? Yeah, it's it is very similar to Stonehenge, And
that just off that I could go into so much about.
But there's it's weird circles, big stone stacked on top
of each other. It does look like Stone Hedge in
a sense. But around it there's all these petroglyphs of
mastadons and mammoths and stuff like that. To bring up

(30:50):
encryptis of the corn again. I was talking to mister
E and he's like, oh, it's a mammoth kill circle.
But just going off some more stuff that I've looked
into and just the area all the way from I
usually say north of Chicago, all the way up the
coast of Michigan is dark. Like I don't know how
this is going to take, but there's a lot of

(31:12):
human trafficking, there's a lot of colts, there's so much.
It's just dark. There's dark energy all around it. A
lot of cartel runs and stuff like that. It's dark.
So I was talking. I've been talking with people about
this topic and I've kind of come to the realization
that before Lake Michigan was carved out, and this is

(31:33):
all just me theorizing.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
I think it's for entertainment purposes only, y'all.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yes, uh, I think it was a mass ritual site
because there's a strong Native American presence. There's thousands upon
thousands of people who die in Lake Michigan all the time,
specifically in this triangle. Shipwrecks, airplanes just disappearing out of nowhere.

(31:59):
So oh, the Stonehenge is right in between Green Bay
and Traverse City, more towards Travers City and in that
general area is one of the craziest disappearances of all
time that I think that personal craziest disappearance of all time.

(32:22):
A man named Captain Donner in the early nineteen hundreds
was driving a freighter through He is coming from Buffalo
all the way up through the Straits of Mackinac. The
last couple hours of his voyage, he decided to go
to his cabin and take a nap. So he tells

(32:44):
his first and second mate, Hey, I'm a take a nap.
Wake me up when we get close to our spot
in Wisconsin. So they started getting close around I would
say probably around where the Stonehenge is, about an hour
or two our way. So they knock on his door
and nobody's there. So they get the master key, open

(33:04):
it up. Nobody's there. There's no way for him to
get out. There's a tiny little porthole. He's just done disappeared.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
A porthole like a portal. I'm just kidding. Yeah, a porthole.
That's where it comes.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
From, right exactly there is, And there's a lot of
portals over the lake.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Whoa. So he was just gone. He just vanished like
they saw him go in there's room and then he
was just.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Gone, disappeared, nowhere to be seen ever again.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Oh I wonder if that has anything to do with
like alien abductions and stuff. I mean you said I
was back in the early nineteen hundreds, right, like yep,
early nineteen hundreds. That's just thirty thirties. That's weird. You know,
we didn't hear it start hearing about alien abductions to
what the nineteen fifties, I.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Guess, yeah, shortly after Roswall and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, wow, that is really odd. It's really odd. I mean,
unless he snuck out, you know, man Overard or something.
But uh but that's all. You know, the lake, the
Great Lakes are very much like an ocean. I mean,
I've been up to I went to Chicago a long
time ago with some friends and and I remember looking
at that the lake out there. I was like, God,

(34:14):
this is like an ocean. Are you sure this isn't
an ocean?

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Y'all? It's massive, but you can see. Uh so where
I grew up in the Betton Harbor area that just
had general vicinity. On a clear summer's night, you could
look straight across the lake and see Chicago.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Really. Yeah, I've been there once. Marie Marie's uh in
a chat probably She's uh. I hadn't looked at the chat.
But uh, but Marine lives in Chicago actually, and uh
so we get our Chicago updates from her over there.
And do they have great pizza there by the way. Okay,
we actually order pizza and have it mild to the
house occasionally those deep dishes. Okay, you can't beat it.

(34:53):
But uh, but area of high strangeness, and that's so wild.
There's a triangle up there, because there's so many other
triangles even over here, Like I mean, I know I
live in Georgia, okay, but there's there's like a triangle
up like near South Carolina. I forget where where exactly
it is. I wish I had my maps up. I
didn't think to even pull these up tonight. But but

(35:13):
there's triangles all over the Dagune place. Okay, We've got
the Bermuda triangle down in off the coast of Florida
on the Atlantic side. And and if you look, I
always keep my lay line map handy here, and it's
the Bermeter triangles right there with that vortex is where
all those lines crossed down there off the coast of Florida. Okay,
that's pretty much where the Bermuda triangle is. And uh,
and I'm looking. So there's a lot of lay lines

(35:36):
that pass over, Like I see Chicago up there, and
I see Michigan and Illinois. You have some let's see.
I gotta blow my screen up right here so I
can look. Oh wow, there's a Okay, are you close
to Indianapolis or no?

Speaker 2 (35:52):
No, in India is about three and a half hours away,
so I'm more I'm within an hour of Chicago.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Okay, Okay, Well there's all Okay, So you're in between
that intersection of lay lines and then Flint, Flint, Michigan.
Like up there, there's an intersection of lay lines as well.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yep. So the one that I'm looking at that runs
between Indianapolis and Flint Beton Harbor, the area I'm from,
runs that leline right there, runs straight through it. So
like my hometown that's just north of it. Which explains
all the weird stuff I've had happened to me throughout
my entire life. Now that I'm seeing this lay line

(36:30):
sitting right here.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, I think that it can definitely answer some questions
when it comes to the paranormal and the supernatural and
as to why those monoliths are underneath that lake. Yes,
as well, because they do place those on I mean
the lay lines. We'll answer, it's like a connect the dots, okay,
is a connect the dots coloring book for us? Okay?

(36:54):
Kind of That's why we look at it. But of
course there will be ancient sites like that at I
would not be surprised. I hadn't even looked to see,
like where Lake Norris is as far as ley lines go, too,
with the ancient Egyptian temple right there. I mean they don't.
They don't just put temples anywhere. No, okay, only on
places of power is what they're called places of power

(37:16):
on the power grid, power lines, first natural power power grid.
I guess, yeah, that's wow. What all did you have
happened to you when you were a kid?

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Oh? So it's been since I was a little kid,
all the way up until I moved. Really so, I've
seen tons of UFOs and it's people are always like, oh, well,
there's a lot of airplane traffic and stuff through the
area because you have South Bend International Airport, you have
Indy that's way south. You got Chicago, you got Kalamazoo,

(37:50):
Battle Creek, so Detroit. You have all these airports. But
I know what airplanes look like because I see a
hundred of them a day just flying across us. But
the most definitive one that I seen was in high school.
I did robotics, and our practices went till like eleven

(38:10):
o'clock at night. So this is about twenty seventeen. I
was driving home and it was thunderstorm and it was
late at night, and I'm just looking out over the lake,
because the whole drive is just looking out over the
bluff onto Lake Michigan. And I get about a couple
of minutes away from my house and I see these
five oranges red dots about a quarter mile off the shore,

(38:33):
and they're a few hundred feet up. They're not super
high though, but I can see them just over the
tree line when there's a tree line for the most part.
So I'm just driving, I'm sitting there, I'm watching them.
It's lightning, it's thundering stuff all out there, and I'm
watching them. I lose sight of them for a second
in the trees. They're still there when I get out,

(38:54):
and then all of a sudden, they just boom, They're gone,
and I'm like, well, that was weird. I called my
freaking out. I'm like, you're never gonna believe this, and
he's like, what you just seen a UFO or something.
I was like, yeah, actually, He's like, yeah, sounds about right.
He's like, I see weird stuff all the time.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
So your dad was fully weird. There's UFOs out there
and stuff. I mean, and you said there's there's military
bases around. Did you attribute that it all to like
military stuff or did you even think about that.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
No. I just saw it and I was like, I
have no idea what this is. And so I start
talking to people about it. Because I was blessed with
other fellow weird people in my life.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Weirdos unite exactly.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
And some people were in their fifties, some people were
in their eighties, some people were the same age as me.
And we've all seen clusters of these, these same clusters
of lights in the general vicinity, and so they're a
common occurrence. My grandmother was part of a mass sighting

(39:59):
at a drive in in the sixties or seventies, made
the newspaper and everything. They were just all at the
drive in the this UFO was over the screen and
it made newspaper and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Okay, that's wild because I, okay, that's really crazy. That's wild.
I love that because my great grandmother actually had a
possible alien abduction experience in her car, like missing time
and everything back in the nineteen eighties. When did when
did that happen? You know what decade that was when
that happened?

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Hers was? I think it was the six late sixties,
seventies maybe no, gosh, eighties late maybe, yes, it could
have been in the same time period maybe, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
You know what. That's why you have all this high
rated I think it runs in your blood because I
think it runs in my blood actually having all these
weird experiences.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, I'm not the only one I thought I was.
But my other my other grandmother, she's my number one fan.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Shut grandma.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Oh yeah hearing my grandma, thank you. But she'll be
watching this. I guarantee the replay later on. And but yeah,
I started this show and she's like, man, I wish
I would have known you were into this stuff. And
I was like, wait, you are. She's like, yeah, me
and your grandpa listened to Coach the Coast to Coach
all the time. We've been listening to it for the
last twenty something years. Are you serious? She's like, yeah,

(41:24):
We've had all kinds of weird stuff happened to us.
And I'm like, are you serious, And they're like, yeah,
we've had ghosts screaming your grandpa's name. My grandma's seen
some weird stuff. Me and my grandpa's seen a UFO
before too. No way, It's like a silver bullet just
showing over the farm and it was just chilling there.
Really we we didn't know what it was, but later

(41:46):
on I realized it was probably a UFO. Just middle
of the day. Got we were working on the farm
all day, had lunch, sat down, had our tea on
the porch before we went out to take every all
the fruit to the market. Guy was sitting there looking
and watch it for like ten minutes. Turn around, stop talking,
turn not there no more.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Oh my gosh. Hey you know what. I'm actually a
Coast to Coast alumni. I've been on there before. Really, yes,
I just city the linked s and your grandma. Okay,
be like, hey, I was. I was on this crazy
girl show right here. She was on there with Georgian Ury. Yep.
I love that, you know, I love see. I come
from a family too. That's like super open minded about

(42:27):
all this paranormal stuff because everybody in my family has
had just about everybody in the family has had some
kind of an event, you know. I was super proud
my niece. She's like, what is she thirteen?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Now?

Speaker 1 (42:38):
She's like, I think she's thirteen, a teenager. She's growing up.
But she My sister contacted me this week and I
was like, hey, can you know, Jim, I borrow your
ghost hunting equipment for school? And I was like for school?
I was so. I was so excited because she wanted
some of my ghos hunting stuff for a project she
was working on on ghost hunting. And I thought, man,
I never got to do ghost hunting projects school in

(43:00):
junior high. How cool is that? So I got to
go take your a couple like K two meter and
recording device watch, you know, from ghostop and things like that.
Uh and for her project. So uh she and she
and when I was given when I was handed over
to her, she was like, well I've been having I said,
don't turn this on in your room, don't turn it
on in your house. You know, we got to separate

(43:22):
this from you know, go outside and do it. Or
something to go off the property, because you're gonna open
up portals and attract things in. And she was like,
well I do. She was like, well, I've been hearing
voices in my room, she said, And she lives in
my grandparents' old house by the way. My sister bought
my grandmother's house, my grandparent's house, and and she's she
was telling me all about the things that have been

(43:42):
happening in their house at night, like footsteps and voices
from her I don't know if it's in her closet
or what. And I was like, Oh, don't worry. She's
a grandmother, her daddy, you know. But but you know,
like we're talking about how it kind of runs in
the family and it gets passed down. She's she's probably
just very psyched, is what I'm assuming, you know what
I mean, She's probably picking up on things that other

(44:04):
people can't hear.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, it's so that's wild.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah, that's wild. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
So, lots of UFO activity out there, lots of cryptid
activity out there, But this triangle probably has little something
to do with that. You said that you think it
could have been like a place where they sacrificed humans
probably like the Aztecs did, like that kind of a thing, you.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Know, yeah, probably, who knows, Maybe the Astexts made it
this far north.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Well, I'm sure there's pyramids all over the place, right.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if not the Native American
tribes they or the Egyptians, yeah, or the Egyptians.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yeah, well, there are Eastern Egyptian settlements all over the place,
and and that has obviously been covered up. We have
proof that it has been covered up in newspaper articles
and historical accounts of the university. I think it was
like the was it the University of Tennessee? I think
was the one that was working, you know on that
with the historical society out there where late Norris is

(45:05):
they used they use their students to go out there
and and do an archaeological dig before they flooded the
area out. Oh yeah, students, imagine that.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Imagine being told you're never allowed to talk about what
you found either.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
I know, right, well, yeah, I don't think they really
talked about it. And now have you been have you
visited visited like Indian mounds up there, like burial mounds
or earthen mounds, depending upon what you call.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Them, so I have not yet. I plan on going
to quite a few this summer because Serpent Mounts not
too far away. I've heard past. There's some in Fort
Wayne that I just found about. They found some giant
bones too, I guess out there. My buddy was telling
me about it. That's only about two and a half
hours away from me. And then apparently there's some somewhere

(45:51):
in Wisconsin that I'm going to go check out here eventually.
Uh don't know where those are at. Nobody's told the
people that I've been talking you have not told me.
They're just like there's some weird stuff. Not saying that's
a mound, but it might be a mound the kind
of deal going on.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
So yeah, I think there's a lot of mounds that
are I have suspicions that one of the neighbors houses
is sitting on a mound. And I'm not gonna I
can't deny I I every time I walk by this
house and it's so weird. Let me tell you a
little secret. So, uh, the old the older lady who
lived in that house, she passed away about a year ago,
two years ago maybe, And and this house looks like

(46:32):
it's on top of a mound. It literally looks like
it's the top of a mount. It's the only house
on in the whole neighborhood that's like up on top
of it. And it's like a hill, but it's flat
at the top. It's like a perfect mound. Okay. And
and her I think she must have practiced voodoo or something,
because somebody goes out there like once every few months,
like I guess it's like every six months or so,

(46:53):
or maybe it's a year, I don't know, and leaves
like offerings by on the sidewalk. Somebody new lives her now,
and it's it's very unnerving because it's like like a
plate of voodoo stuff. Yeah, and I say voodo stuff.
I'm not trying to be like, you know, sound weird
because like I don't know how all that works. But
it's like a plate. It's like an offering of food
and candles and all stuff. And somebody always goes through

(47:15):
and kicks that. You can see where somebody kicks. They're like, eh,
you know, but it's but it's out there, but it's
right there where that mound is, and it's honest, it's
starting to make me think, well, if a person has
that kind of spiritual knowledge and occult knowledge, maybe that's
why she bought that house and lived there. Maybe she's
the one that built that house and put it there.

(47:35):
You know, it's the old historical home, so maybe she
had some prior knowledge of that. Maybe that's where she
did all her focus pocus stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
And if she has or she has, like I've ran
into people that had familiars, maybe they told her to
buy it right there.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
It's the people that I know that have them tell
them to do stuff all the time.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Really familiar is like a cat.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Either that or for just familiar spirits just something I
don't get too well. I don't ask too much about it.
I just start praying and kind of keep my keep
my distance a little bit because that's bit me in
the book before.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
So yeah, be careful. Yeah, spiritual protection, okay for sure
and U And it's it's not comfortable driving past that
house in the morning and an afternoon, like taking my
kid to school and seeing like a plate of some
kind of offering right there. And I'm sure it's it's
meant for good, but in my mind, I'm like, I
don't get a good feeling about it, And I sure

(48:37):
as heck wouldn't be excited about it if I was
that person who lives in that house now you know,
out there, But who knows.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
I'm just I just don't know how it all works,
I guess, But I do know that there's some there's
I think it could be on top of a mound, Okay,
I really do. And uh, and it just makes me
think of like that movie Poltergeist. You know what happens
when we start building on top of sacred sites like that.
And that's why when you're talking about all these like
mounds and stuff up there, a lot of times dog

(49:04):
men are spotted at these mounds. And that could be
another reason there's so many dog men up there in
the Michigan area and around Illinois, in Wisconsin and Ohio. Yeah,
it could be from the mound.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
It almost makes me wonder if the last place I
lived before I lived here had like a mound or
at least some kind of burial site, because we had
me and my buddy and his wife had so much
weird stuff happen, and my buddies even solid this one
witch creature demon lady out in the woods behind the house,

(49:43):
like talk to him, and he's asleep out in the
woods and the saying. He wakes up. He hears this
voice and says, hey, we're so glad you're out here.
And he wakes up and he sees this lady's face
like right up.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
In hills, oh hill to the non No, was it
a real woman, like a solid person?

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, yeah, he said it was. But then, oh my god,
she just disappeared.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Oh all right. He blinked his eyes and she was gone.
She flew off on her broom.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
I mean, we all kinds of weird stuff happened at
that property. I mean, I had I got attacked by
a suckubist. I had stuff walking to my room, touching
me at night, and stuff like that, footsteps. We saw
a creature out in the woods. We don't know what
we saw, but it just all kinds of weird stuff
screams out there. Just the whole area is just whole

(50:36):
property is just wild.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Have you have you ever talked publicly about being attacked
by a succubists before?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yes, I didn't know it was. I didn't put two
and two together about being a suckubist and told me
and drew Ski. I went on his show and he
was like, Riley, you know what that was, right? And
I never called it that. I was just like, I
had this insanely real dream and there was some physical
consequence is because of it family friendly And he was like,

(51:05):
you know what that was? And then they just clicked
and I was like, yeah, I know exactly what it was.
But it was like an old hag kind of too.
It just it was really really really weird.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Oh, I'm sorry that happened to you.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Something that that I have, I believe our team is
actually encountered. Out in the woods of the North Georgia
Mountains is a witch, an old witch, a shape shifter
named Spearfinger. And and I think that I think that
we've encountered her. And and and by by encountering her,
I don't mean like a solid form of like old person.

(51:42):
I mean maybe it was like an interdimensional type of
thing or I don't know it. Her presence is there,
let's just put it that way. It's like her presence
is there. And there have been times where like I've
heard like tapping on trees and stuff, and we go
out there in the pitch dark. You know, you know
how we were rolling out in the woods last weekend
weekend before last. Uh. You know, I usually don't use

(52:04):
a I don't even use a headlamp. I'll take one.
I use like a red light on it usually, but
our team typically tries not to use flashlights in the woods.
And and and there was a point where we were
out in the woods one night, and uh, and we
were all we just kind of went dark. We went quiet.
Nobody was really talking. There was like maybe three or
four of us out in this one area, and I

(52:25):
just kept hearing this tip tip tip tick tick tick
tick tick, and it sounded like and in my mind's eye,
I was seeing And maybe I was just an active,
over active imagination that night, right, because when you're out
in the woods and there's big foots out there, and
lord knows what your mind is a little overact can

(52:46):
be overactive. And I was in my mind, I was
seeing spear finger tapping that tree with her long pointy finger. Okay,
and uh, but but I'm not saying that was when
my team encountered her. That was just you know, that
thought had gone through my head out dear, And that
does happen. Uh, there's even I don't know the validity
to this, but there's this like TikTok, right, and this

(53:06):
woman she's been putting cameras outside of her house because
of a there's like an old hag in the woods, right,
an old hag kind of, And something was scratching on
her kids window at night and she put like the
baby monitors facing out that way and at the window,
and it was it was an old haag, like a
witch kind of and she's like, let me in, let

(53:28):
me in. And there's actually video of this like woman
looks like a feral woman coming out of the woods's
trying to get in her house.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Shells down my spine.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Yeah, can you imagine. I mean, it's one thing, was like,
it's it's trying to mess with you or whatever. I mean,
that's horrible, right, especially if it comes onto your property
and your home, But when it's trying to scratch at
your kid's window at night, I mean we've got kids.
I got a kid. Those are fighting words right there.
Oh yeah, you don't cross that boundary over there.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah, that is that's a big no noment my house personally,
especially messing with this, you know, talking about all this
kind of stuff all the time, I stay prayed up.
That's that's my wife's one condition about me doing this,
She said, Riley, you got to be in a spiritual
state of grace. You got to be spiritually protected not

(54:18):
only for yourself but from me and a child. And
we just we know we're protected.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yeah, oh absolutely, Yeah. There's there's nothing worse than something
invading your privacy when it comes to that, and because
that's a that's a violation right there. And I mean
I've woken up in my house at night and had
ET's in my bedroom before, and that was after I
started doing the big foot field research. So it's kind
of like a it's kind of a product of being

(54:46):
out in the field doing bigfoot investigations because you know,
when we're out there, we don't know what we're encountering
out there and like what's attaching to us and things
like that, so we have to really be careful to
put that protection up even up there. Last that weekend
we were up been Tennessee. Recently, we were kept out
by a cemetery. Riley, Yeah, how did you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (55:07):
I was surprisingly I wasn't worried about the cemetery. I
don't know why the cemetery didn't bother me too much.
But like we talked about the past weekend when we
all came on, the second I got there, I just
felt just dread, kind of just anxiety, like I was
being watched the whole time, and we as we all

(55:30):
found out, I kind of I was kind of the
target of the weekend. But it didn't nothing felt too
much from the cemetery. But it's also because the second
I got there, uh, Drew put He was like, all right, Riley,
you're you're kind of in charge of spiritual protection in
this weekend. So he gave me some nor from oil

(55:50):
and I went around the perimeter of our camp like
every so and so feet took the annoying oil put
across and I was just praying the whole and stuff
like that. So I spiritually in our space in our camp.
I felt safe.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
All great, That's why I felt safe too. I felt safe. Well,
I felt safe because we had some good people with
those too.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Yes, And that's so key.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
You gotta have people that you trust out there and
that will look out for you, and and we all
look out for each other when we go to places
like that. It was very It was a very good
cohesive team out there.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
It was I cannot thank everybody enough for how awesome
it was. Because the only person I had ever met
in person hung out with in person prior to going
out there was Kevin. Me and Kevin met in Ohio
for a small town monster fest. We hung out that weekend.
But everybody else was the first time meeting him in

(56:47):
a person. It was like everybody, you all are family now.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
It was well after that experience, of course, of course
it was wild. Know well, now now you're part of
the c W Operations and Survival team. So now you
now you're stuck with all of us.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Oh yeah, I could.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
That's fun. That's awesome. Yeah, well I think it did
really great for that first time going out there with
the with the team like that, and you did. I
don't want to say you had a target on your back, Okay,
I don't. And I'm this is coming from the girl
that volunteers to be big Foot bait. Okay, So like
I have from the very first time everyone out on

(57:31):
a Bigfoot expedition, I volunteer to be bait and to
go out there. And now I say, well, it's you know,
the newbies in the you know, it's always the newbies.
You're the newbie to kind of a new but you know,
to all that. And because I don't know if it's
like you're the energy. You know when you go out there,
you're really excited and you're adrenalinees pumping, and I think
that that does attract the critters out there. I think

(57:53):
it really does because they see that, like your your
heart rates a little bit higher probably and you know,
you're just it's a new experience and maybe it's just
the energy. And so it's kind of like with the
first time I went out, it was kind of like
what happened to you when we were out there in
Tennessee recently. So you had a lot of a lot
of experiences so that you could come back and you'd
want more and you can talk about it. You have

(58:16):
a good way of conveying your messages too, So I
think that's maybe maybe maybe that's part of it. They
chose you to give me those experiences, you know what
I mean, so you can talk about it. You're you're
a cryptid advocate now, just like myself.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
It's it's a weird feeling, it really, it really is,
because it was probably one of the scariest moments of
my life. It's up there with being in the presence
of a demon, but uh it's but after like chilling
for a few days, it came down. Well. Drew actually

(58:50):
texted me a couple of days after and he's like
all right, He's like, all right, Bubble, all right. And
I was like yeah, Actually, he's like, you're ready to
do it again? And I was like yeah. He's like,
all right, you're an official member of the team now,
and I was like, awesome.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Oh yeah. Well, I was wondering, like, sometimes it takes
a while to process with all you went through, and
so I know it took me a long time to
process that because we had missing time, things that I
couldn't remember ever happened to me before miss missing time,
and all the equipment was malfunctioning while we were out there,
and the times were changing on our equipment, and when

(59:27):
we were out there, and these red lights were in
the in the woodline and they thought it was me
and my buddy who were hiding in the woods, but
it was ten feet from where we were sitting. And
things like that were going on in UFOs and orbs
and lights and Bigfoot peeking its head around a tree
right in front of me. I mean, it was just wild.
I didn't know what to think. And it took a while,

(59:48):
especially when we had that missing time, and and some
of the guys they didn't tell me at the time,
they were like, well, maybe they got abducted. And I
started making jokes eventually about sorry, started making jokes about
I bet Jessica, it's got et babies now and stuff.
And I was like what, I like, I came out
here to do a big foot field investigation and you're not.
Now you're telling me I got it abducted by aliens?

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Like what is going on?

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
But so you got to you gotta kind of keep
it open mind. I guess about one of that go
with the flow, go to the flow. But you've already
armored up and uh, you know, to have spiritual protection.
And and they say that you know you can if
if something were to happen and you did have an
a face to face encounter with let's just say, a
gray alien out out anywhere. Uh, if you start praying.

(01:00:34):
They say that a lot of times, like they'll just
go away. In my case, I remember just looking at
it trying to figure out what I was looking at
and then fell back to sleep. Okay, but but they
say that prayer actually will send them off.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Yeah, if you call out to the name of Jesus,
it'll hey, Ben, will you please help me the end
of disappearing? And you know it, it does work in
other instances throughout my life. It's came, it's came in
handy well. And it's funny too, because when we saw

(01:01:10):
those things the second night, I was I was praying
in my head and just you know, I was like, Lord,
if you're going to show us anything, you know, show us,
but let us be safe and just watch over us,
because this is when all the stuff started happening behind us.
Kevin saw what he saw, we heard whoops behind us,

(01:01:31):
and then next thing all Harley's freaking out. Well apparently
Doc also well, he was praying out loud. I just
couldn't hear him because I was Kevin, Drew and I
were kind of in our own little world on the
in the flank, just like, oh goodness, we're getting yeah, yeah,
we we We weren't at that point. This This was

(01:01:55):
the first time we were at that spot when Harley
had his moment, and uh, but it was funny because
soon as we got done praying, that's when all the
stuff started, Like they showed themselves to us.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Wow, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, it was quite seems as
though there's a connection there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
I was, I would say so, especially after this when
I say, my whole world was shifted. If anybody's checked
out that trailer yet, I went into it kind of thinking, Ah,
it's all you know it or it could be spiritual,
or it could be both. But after that, I'm just like,

(01:02:41):
what I think what we experienced was spiritual, more on
the spiritual side of things too. So it's it's wild
out there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Yeah, And that's really what attracted me to the team
that I went out there with the first time. They
I had gone to a presentation on their bigfoot field
research before I ever, even I never imagined I was
going to be out the woods chasing Bigfoot with them. Ever,
when I went to this presentation they gave and but
they get this presentation, they really got into like the mind, body,

(01:03:13):
spirit aspect too of bigfoot, and they're like, hey, you know,
we've been researching this for decades and uh, and there's
more to it than just that, Like a primate in
the woods, there's actually like a it's the other worldly,
you know, X factor is what they called it to
to them, and and it's more, it's more than just
an animal. Okay, there's there's so much more to it.

(01:03:34):
And so that's where we've kind of the the direction
I've gone in with my research out there is, uh,
there's there's way more to it. It's just like with
humans too, Like we're there's way more to humans too.
We're not just flesh and blood. We're spiritual. We're spiritual too,
and we're just you know, spiritual there souls having a
you know, human flesh sued experience right now. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:03:59):
And so it's it's it's pretty much the same with
CYP did you know. That's that's my opinion, and I don't.
I don't think everything is demonic out there. That's just
my opinion on it too. I think that there's I
think that bigfoots are just like people. I mean, I
didn't feel like we were in major danger when we
were out there, did you you know? I felt like
we were. I felt like it was kind of under
control for the most part when I was here. When

(01:04:21):
you guys were out there, it was got a little haywire.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Of course, it really depends please help.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Me get Yeah, I've got my mute, but I'm talking
to my son.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Sorry. Uh, but it really depends who you ask out
of all of us out there, like if you ask
want and I it was not. It was pretty uh
just get her away. We felt pretty uh dark. It

(01:04:53):
did not feel good. But everybody else is like, oh,
you know. There was a little couple of times where
our anxiety and stuff got bump up a little bit,
but uh, not too much. But Wanta and I obviously
were the two big dudes out there and the two newbies,
but we felt attacked pretty sure. Now we were getting

(01:05:14):
blested with infra sound directly. They were probably in our
heads messing with us too. Stop.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Yeah that they'll do that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Yeah, they'll do that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
I mean that that was a big dose of activity
that you guys had that Saturday night. That was after
I left. I wasn't there that night. That's that was
a big dose. But you know, I feel like if
they didn't want you to know they were there, you
wouldn't have experienced that. Yeah, it's it's almost like it
was a good thing. I know it sounds by I
know It sounds terrible saying that because like you guys

(01:05:48):
were affected by it. But it's like there's no doubt
in your mind now these things are real, right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Yeah, not aver of a doubt like I was. I've
always been a believer, but you know, there's always that
tiny little piece like even if you want it there
or not, that there's a chance this cannot be real
until I see one. And yeah, they're they're definitely real. Uh,
all of it, big Foot dog Man, all those they're

(01:06:13):
all real.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Oh yeah, it's all real. And uh and I've always
said that, but you know, I'm not here to prove
anything to anybody. What I tell people to do is
go get you some hiking boots in a backpack and
go find out for yourself, but please be safe and
don't go alone. Don't go alone. And uh yeah, we're
just super blessed been hosted by Harley out there to
let us go experience what he experiences out there. And

(01:06:37):
I got to say that place did not disappoint and
I want to go back.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Yeah, I don't know about you. I do maybe in
a little bit, give it, give it a couple.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Of but still a process. You're still processing what happened, right,
And I got.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Some other places I got to hit first. I just
got word that there was a sighting at my my
spot in Michigan. It's just a siding the other day.
So what bigfoot?

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Really?

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Oh, you have to keep us posted on that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
I will for sure. Me and my buddy Shane Jones,
we went out there not too long last summer with
a couple of guys, just some property and near the
Dewey Lake where the Dewey Lake Monster siding in the
sixties and stuff was Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
My god, did you just bring up the Dewey Lake
Monster for real?

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Yeah? I lived. That's wild. I used to live twenty
minutes away from there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
That looks like a bigfoot with webbed hands, right, yeah,
Oh my gosh. Okay, so I'm gonna have to talk
to Barry, my buddy Berry Littleton. I think he gave
me that as a remote viewing target actually, and that's
something that we had been talking about for a while.
I'd love the Dowey Late Monster. I'm gonna have to
make sure Barry checks the show out. It looks like
a bigfoot, but it has webbed feet. It's almost like

(01:07:54):
what do we call like the aquatic eight ape theory
or something. Yeah, it's like in a I'm not comparing
it to the coustica, you know, like out of the
Pacific Northwest, the otter Man, but it's something different.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
I think that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
I remember like that remote viewing data I got was
like something extraterrestrial. Okay, it was literally something extraterrestrial.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
It would not surprise me given the area, every UFO
or all the experiences I've ever had. That stuff is
only ten to fifteen minutes away.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Oh my gosh, we're connecting the dots here exactly. This
is the whole point and all this research. Okay, it
is like meeting other researchers and people who are locals
and know the legends and have had experiences with the
other stuff. I mean, you know, and I know the
remote vieing stuff. It's just a tool in my tool belt.
Something I've been taught and training it for years, and

(01:08:46):
it's cool to like just get that data to go
along with some of this other stuff. It's like that
that just sounded so weird. I remember when I got
that target. It was a blind target, and I was like,
there's something extraterrestial that came in on a meteorite. I
was like, what is that and he was like, it's
a Dewey Lake monster. I was like, oh, this date
is wrong, but it may not be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
It may not be. If you ever want to check
it out, I can get lodging for everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Oh my god, maybe we need to make a Oh
we might need to make a trip up to there
and go check out this Dewey Link monster. And that's
a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Actually, well, my spot is right next to Dewey Lake. Okay,
it's in the it's in the vicinity within it's within
half an hour any given go direction. But it's really close,
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
It's on the list now, it's on the list of
places to to to go. Maybe I'm getting a list together, Okay,
I will. I will totally take you up on that,
and maybe we can get some of the guys come
up there for that. That would be fun. Yeah, it's
not just it's not it's not a regular Bigfoot. It's
something different.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Yeah, definitely the lake monsters. But there is there is
straight regular sasquatch up there as well. It's the area
is really weird, Like well, if you live there, it's like, oh,
there's really there's no way this stuff is. But then
it's all these private properties where all this stuff is.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Maybe maybe is it like like I don't want to say,
like rich people. Is it like land was like like estates.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
On it and stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Or because they could I was gonna say, because it
could be doing rituals out there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
That's that's more along the lines of the melon heads
and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Oh, the melon heads. You know, I was actually going
to ask you about that. I did a show on
melon heads a while back, and uh, and it's kind
of a that that is a really strange topic. And
I think I mentioned that the other day. I was
I pulled up the hills have Eyed or something, you
know those we're talking about feral people and what what

(01:10:58):
you live near where the melon heads allegedly weren't. It
was like, can you tell us a story behind that?
Coming from a local that knows way more about it
than I do, I would love to hear about it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Yeah, so the melon heads are these little feral people
with hydro cephalitis, sir, I forgot how you say? Yes? Well,
the non political correct term is waterhead. And so in
Holland Sagatuck area of Michigan, supposedly, I forgot that. I

(01:11:33):
don't have the name of the mansion pulled up. But
there was a doctor slash scientist who supposedly did all
these testing on these children and actually like caused some
of them to have this mutation happened to them. Well,
the legend goes that they escaped their bondage and killed

(01:11:56):
the doctor and ran out into the woods and became
feral and they started breeding and stuff like that, and
there's this whole population out there. It's it's a little wild.
It was growing up around the area. It was always
either used as an insult or a story of hey,

(01:12:16):
don't go out in the woods at night kind of deal,
or else the melon heads will get you kind of deal.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
So it's horrible. Imagine so you you were a kid,
you were like, oh, the melon heads might give me. Yeah,
that's scary.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Even though I was thirty minutes south of them, I
was still scared heads.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
And I.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
I don't know how I feel about it. There's there's
some people connected to some witchcraft rituals, uh, you know,
the Satanic Church. There's a lot of ties with that
kind of deal. But there's also I think personally, just

(01:12:59):
from the area. I think I think there could have
been something And I'm not saying there's nothing out there,
because there could be like imps or something or fae
that are indicating the legend like people talk about like
possibly with Sasquatch. Oh, Sasquatch is on our mind, so
we're gonna take the image of Sasquatch and try to

(01:13:19):
scare people off. But I'm I can get you some
first hand, like growing up local legends on it that
could use it to be false. So apparently there's multi
billion dollar mansions hidden out in the woods that are
like straight helicopter access only, but there's tunnels and stuff

(01:13:42):
that lead to them. I know people that have worked
on these houses, so I know they're out there. Strong
from Chioting Chong has a house in that general area
fifteen to twenty minutes give or take.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
But ooh, the thought that just came into my head.
I don't mean to interrupt you or anything, but I'm thinking,
like we're talking about like child side, I mean, are
these like children that had stunted growth too, like small.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Yes, that was that was part of the condition as well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Okay, so like stunted growth children basically that had like
water or something of fluid like injected into their skulls. Right,
if I'm not mistaken, there were there were orphans, I
think too, right like in this mansion, I mean, this
is this is a real place, right, this is a
real place. Now, whether the whole story is true or not,
it's a legend. Were there actual children?

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Like was this an orphanage at one point? Supposedly it was.
It's been a school as well. There's rumors that it
was well when the scientists was there, that was a
medical facility as well. But there's just all kinds of
different legends, and to it, most of them are true.

(01:15:03):
Others it's kind of just like say, so here or there,
this person said this about this, like every local every
time it's got that story, Oh that house up there
kind of deal. But what.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Oh no, I was gonna say, like I'm just getting
this vibe of like trafficking, you know what I mean.
And it could have and I'm not trying to this
is for entertainment purposes only, of course, but it's like, well,
if they got tunnels and their child size thing, you know, say,
things beings out there and they are actually humans, could

(01:15:38):
even be like it turned into like the story is
kind of like, well they morphed into like feral people
kind of right, Yes, that's kind of how it goes, okay,
but it could have been like a cautionary tale to
keep people out of the woods because they may have
some kind of real trafficking things they're on out there
with children or something. And I hate to say that,
but that's kind of the vibe I'm getting.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
And the next part of that is with these mansions
and the tunnels and stuff that lead up to them,
is they have security guards in there that actually blare
the sounds of seral people and stuff whenever people get
too close to like weird sounds to scare people off.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
So what okay, Ben, So with what.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
You're saying, that does make a lot of sense, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
It's kind of sad. Now, oh my gosh, okay, that's
that's really terrible. And so they there It's almost like,
wasn't it Paul that said that he sits outside like
they have a creek that runs by his house and
they would sit outside and there he said he sat
out in his underwear playing a banjo with his cousin
or something, I don't know, to keep people off his property.
I think should I have said that in the I

(01:16:40):
should have probably said that, or he may he may
have said it on the show Saturday Night. Maybe don't
remember Paul shout out to we we But you know,
that's it's kind of the same thing. It's like, you know,
let's do something to scare people to keep them away.
I mean, I don't know if I if I lived
out in the middle of nowhere, I might be a
little more eccentric setting people off my property.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Two.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
So it could just be that we may be reaching here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Are we You never know? And I've heard people I
believe I'm all about giving people credit, so I believe it.
It may have been twenty one CD podcast he was
talking he did an episode on it, and he was
talking about potentially because there's during World War two in Michigan,

(01:17:27):
especially southwest Michigan, we had a lot of pow camps
with Germans in them, but a lot of the Germans,
unlike the pow camps over there, we treated them really well.
A majority, like ninety percent of the Germans that came
over they were allowed to work. They worked the farms

(01:17:48):
and stuff like that. They could go to the movie theaters,
they could get.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Mostly staffed NASA. Eventually, yeah, they became like the top
scientists in our country. Eventually those one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
I'm just kidding, it could be you never know who knows, but.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Literally all the heads of our states and stuff at
that time. Eventually.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
One of one of the theories though, that the hosts
of that show threw out, was well, we know the
Nazis weren't into occultism, real, real big into it. So
maybe they were doing some like occult ritual or something
like that, and some imps or something like that came
out or who knows, are some like homunculous kind of

(01:18:29):
deal with these things, and those are what are running
out there as well. There's so many different things. I
thought that was a really cool theory.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Yes, talk about Okay, so now you got my Now
you got my mind, like my Pulley's moving in my brain. Okay.
So back in the nineteen twenties, I believe this is
in California. This is like all the way across the country.
Right in California, there was a place called the Billy
Whack Dairy. Are you familiar with that? The Billy Whack
Monster have you heard of that, I have not. Okay,

(01:19:00):
this was actually the scientist there was not German.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
I think he was.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
I want to say it was Polish. Maybe I can't remember.
Maybe he was from Switzerland. But there was a scientist
that came over that was working for what is now
the CIA. It was called the S. I forgot what
it's called her the S, but anyways, it was what
the CIA became eventually. But he was working at a
underground laboratory underneath the dairy. They call it the Billy

(01:19:27):
Whack Dairy. He even had a prized dairy cow or something,
or some kind of bullet. And I don't know how
white have a bulleted I guess you need a bulleted
dairy farm, I guess, but I don't so. But he
had some kind of price heifer or bull or something,
and and he bragged about that they produced a lot
of milk and stuff like that. Of course, but he
had this lab, under underground lab under the dairy where

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he was known to work on human animal hybrids, like
creating them down there, and that's where this Billy Whack
monster has been seeing. There's a whole bunch of their
goat men, their goat men you gotta look that one up.
That's a that's a great, great backstory to that. But
but there's documentation that this is this is the real
deal that happened back in the nineteen twenties when they're

(01:20:12):
doing human animal hybrid experimentation for the government down there,
a three litter agency and it's a foreign scientist that
came from Europe working on that. Imagine if they were
able to do that back in the nineteen twenties, what
are they what do they doing these days? Armies of
dog men maybe giants? Yeah, what's going on in these

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underground tunnels and bases and stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Yeah? Never know, And I guarantee there's a lot more
than we think.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Please go yeah, get frea. Yeah, it's it's I don't know,
I mean, it's it's kind of mind blowing. But but
I've definitely covered that. The Billy whack Moster definitely comes
to mind when it when it comes to that, just
because I'm all about connecting the and getting you know,

(01:21:01):
even like pulling newspaper articles together and stuff, you know,
finding the hardcore like written down like kind of facts
about stuff, okay, and piecing it all together because nobody's
gonna feed this information to us. We have to find
it ourselves. You know, the government's never going to just
like walk out and be like, oh, we've been making
goat men for since nineteen twenty. Yeah, there's that's not

(01:21:24):
gonna happen. I just don't ever see that happening.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
The day that that happens is the day the Lord
comes back. Can They'll have no choice?

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
But right, yeah, well but it's it's just it's just
something to add to the list of like all the
high strangeness and and how our government has been so
heavily involved in it. And and you know, I've got
a gentleman that comes on my shows quite often, a
doctor Carol, doctor Dennis Carroll. He comes on and he's
he said that he's actually been approached by you know,

(01:21:56):
three letter agencies and stuff to because they have a
which interested in the paranormal. And and he's even told
us more about how you know, the furniture from the
real Exorcists, like the movies based off of, was actually
pretty much confiscated by the government, the US government and
put into a warehouse to be studied for all because

(01:22:17):
of all the poultry geist activity that happened with it.
And things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
So wow. Yeah, so Indiana Jones is right. They do
got the warehouse. It's just full of this kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Yeah, they do, I guess so. I mean I haven't
seen it. I don't know, but uh, but I assume
they do. I mean we hear about all the different
hangars where they go take all the you know, UFO
craft and aliens and and stuff like that. So yeah, yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Yeah, I wonder it makes sense because in this this area,
obviously there's a lot of military stuff going around. But
I always see those big old trucks with all the
covers and stuff on them. I wonder if they are
getting like these crack there's crashes around that nobody hears
about that they're just tiving them. I could be driving

(01:23:09):
next to down to UFO on the highway or something
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Oh yeah, there are crash retrieval teams for sure, and
they've had those around for decades at least for sure.
And I don't think all the UFOs are like aliens
from other planets. I think it's I think it's US. Okay, yeah,
but I don't know, But you know, speaking about other
like animal hybrids, human animal hybrids and maybe experiments and

(01:23:33):
things coming up from the tunnels and the I mean,
I just did a show this past week on was
it this week?

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
I guess it was this week. Yeah, on a with
on creatures that come out of tunnels and caves, okay,
like cryptic creatures out of tunnels and caves and uh
and something that I had a friend of mine on
the show a while back, a couple of years ago.
Jeremiah Fountain came on and he was telling us about
his dad's friend who had property beside him in New

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York in the Catskill Mountains. And and this this gentleman
he was he was of like he was like a Viking. Okay,
he was like Norse descent or something. And and I
think I think Jeremiah City. He had blonde hair and
blue eyes. And he said after this happened, his hair
turned completely white, completely white. And he said that he

(01:24:21):
found he was out on his property at a bunch
of land and uh, he went out on his property
and he found this creature.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
It was huge.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
It was like a horse humanoid. It was like a
humanoid was like a horse face and like hoofs and everything. Yeah,
and it was dying, and uh, apparently he like picked
it up and he somehow he got it on the
back of his truck, and it was like the part
of it was like over the cab of his truck
and the rest of it was like dangling off the

(01:24:51):
sides of the bed of the truck. And he called
he called like the local sheriff's apartment, the police apartment,
and uh, next thing, you know, I think he said
that like black trucks pulled up, like vehicles pulled up.
They had like a flatbed truck and and they just
loaded it up on there. He said before before the
the government it was like a military kind of operation
came and confiscated this being that had died. He said that.

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He even said that the kids were poking it with
sticks kind of before the they came in and took
it away, and and that the sticks were going in
its skin like a knife through hot like a hot
knife and butter is what he was saying. But this
was very real, very real stuff that happened, and it's
it's kind of sad. It's what we call it was
like an abomination or something, you know. It just it

(01:25:36):
seemed as though it was probably some sort of a
weird human animal experiment. Yeah, it is what it felt
like to them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Yeah, that's kind of the same situation that uh in
a sense, like with Joe Barger shooting that dog man
up in the Mannistee, like he dropped it and when
he went back to look at all, these black vehicles
pulled up and like, hey, you killed our asset and
then don't talk about this, yeah kind of deal. They

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just came and cleaned it up.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Yeah. Yeah, I've been told to never Well, first of all,
I've been told to never shoot one of those things. Okay,
I'm talking about dog man. I don't don't do that.
They are this government property, is what I've been told
first of all. But unless it's unless it's coming at you,
you know what I mean, Like, be really careful. But

(01:26:28):
I've been I've got very stern warnings from a lot
of different people that are like, don't do this, Like
you should not be out there looking for these things
first of all, leave it alone. And I'm like, well
that just makes me want to go out there even more. Yeah,
that makes me want to go out there. I just
just I just want to see one, Okay, I just
want to see one and and ask you some questions.
I want to interrogate it. I'm just kidding, right, I know.

(01:26:53):
But but I I've you know, my teams are very
like my well you I go out with you with
the cw ops guys, okay, and like they're a whole
new breed. They're different breeding people. But my other research teams,
you know, we're not out there to ever hear anything,
you know what I mean. And it's not you know,

(01:27:13):
it's all respect. But we have never come across a
dog man out there that we know of. You know,
it's mostly just bigfoot and we go out there with
the intention of hopefully communicating with bigfoots while we're out
there and stuff and so so it's actually it's a
little exciting going out there with these guys like in
East Tennessee. That's to me, that's exciting. It's a new experience.

(01:27:35):
It's you know, we're we're in the thick of it
out there for sure, just ready for whatever comes at
us for the most part. So yeah, but but we
I've been told, you know, just you know, I don't
I don't give the locations away where we're going. We
don't talk about it, you know. I wasn't public for
ten years. I wasn't public for ten years when I
was big footing, and just recently went public a couple

(01:27:57):
of years ago about it. But but you got to
be really careful because the people that go out there
and do big footing and dog man investigations, they are
probably pretty well watched, you know, by by agencies and
things like that. Probably, yeah, they don't want U semess
with their assets.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Well, that's why I always go to like people on
I'm lucky where I'm at, a lot of people own
everybody's farmers, so everybody else. Everybody owns hundreds of acres,
so it's easy. Hey, hey man, can I come to
your house and walk your trails? Yeah kind of deal.

(01:28:42):
It is very uh fortunate. And then everything else the
state parks, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta be careful about doing the you know,
state parks, national parks, stuff like that. It's best to
be on private owned land for sure, and yeah, it is.
And to get out there where nobody else goes it's
important as well. And yeah, because you you just never
know what you're going to encounter out there. You don't

(01:29:09):
know the people too, and it can be very dangerous.
I mean, what do you think about all these missing
persons clusters all over the country, and especially in our
national parks. I mean, does that make you more uncomfortable
go down there?

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Yeah? Uh, it does. So I I got a rule
I won't like if I go to a national park
and stuff like that, because I ain't too far away
from Indiana Dunes. That's like a day part of a
day trip. It'll ben. Please help stay on the trails

(01:29:40):
and be respectful in national parks este which you don't want.
Don't wander off the trails. Just that. That's how I
live by that. Follow the rules there. Just it ain't
worth the hassle. If you really want to go on
a venture, find somebody with some private.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
Property, yes, and get a good guide like Harley. I'm
just kidding. Yeah, so somebody that knows what just I
don't recommend that everybody goes out and do what we
do because it's not for everybody, and it is really scary.
I mean, actually, when when things when when crap hit
the fans Saturday night, it wasn't comfortable, right, I mean,

(01:30:16):
you're you're the first to admit that it's like, it's
not it's it's if you feel like you're in danger,
get out of there.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Yes, I was not afraid. Does diminish my ego, you know,
I was not. I didn't care what people thought. I
was like, I want out and I just trust trust
your gut. Your gut's right all the time. It's like
that for in these situations. Trust it. It's there for
a reason.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Yeah, that's what I always say. I'm like, go with
your gut and trust it and always have a healthy
gut because of that, because you've got to be able
to really pick up on any kind of danger that
we got in the environment out there. Right, Oh my gosh,
this is why what what else? What other things you
guys have going on up there and where you live?
I mean, that's that's a lot of stuff so far.

(01:31:04):
I mean, just like the UFOs, the melon heads, you know.
And I hate saying melon heads because I know there's
like children and people that are born with you know,
water in their brains and things like that, and it's
it's kind of a sensitive subject, you know what I mean,
And so it kind of is. But it's like, but

(01:31:25):
that's a local legend up there, yeah, behind it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
It's one of those things like ninety nine percent of
people mean no harm by it. It's just what it's called.
You know, nobody wants to make fun of that, Like me,
I had. I mean, I call it the male heads
because like that's what it is. But like when it
comes to stuff like that, like people with disabilities and
stuff like that, I have like a zero tolerance policy
for like making fun or anything like that. So like

(01:31:51):
when I want anybody listening right now, when I when
I say that, like, I mean it respectfully as the
that's that's just what it's called. We don't have another
name for it. That's what has been for the last
sixty years. Me too.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
That's why I said that. I was like, we mean
no disrespect. I did a show on it before, and
I was like, god, I was kind of hesitant to
even do a show on it because I was like,
you know, but but now, but now I have someone
who's from there on the show, and I feel a
little more comfortable talking about it with you. Yeah, because
it's uh, it was it was just it's a sad story.
But but the backstories what's so interesting about that With

(01:32:27):
the people who live around there and they're blasting out
You said, like, what did you say, what kind of
noise like feral people noises? Yeah, just like, what does
that sound like? That's the that's my question. What the
heck does that sound like?

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
I don't know, Yeah, maybe I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
Sounds like Paul and his cousin al Dere with their banjos.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
Makes them a little bit of guttural scream, kind.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
Of squealing like a pig.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
You weren't there, Oh my god, were you there? When
I busted out the guitar for the first time. I
started playing the Deliverance song.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
I I heard you played the guitar I don't remember
here and deliver it?

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
So, oh yeah, I hit that little uh.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
Some careful out there where we go?

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Yeah you do? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
The the actually the little kid from that movie. He
was at the Georgia Bigfoot conference about two years ago
signing autographs. He's a kind of an elderly man now
by the way, and uh, I think I can't remember
his name, but he was. He was signing autographs and
people could get the picture made with him and stuff,
and uh, he lives up there in Clayton where we

(01:33:34):
had the big Foot conference. And somebody said, I think
he's like a greeter at Walmart or something up there,
or at least he used to be. Can you imagine
going to and they've got the Yeah, they got the
best Walmart in Georgia. By the way, I love that
Walmart up there. They got good stuff. It's a nice one.
But uh but he uh, I could imagine going to
that Walmart and walking in and that's who you're greeted by.

(01:33:55):
And uh, of course they filmed the movie up there,
I'm pretty sure, up in North Georgia.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
So yeah, man, there's so much like we when it
comes to Michigan. We barely scratched. We barely scratched the surface.
We didn't even get into the c monsters or the
mind monsters up the Copper mind monsters up in the Up,

(01:34:21):
the up in itself, because I used to live up
in the Up actually when I went to college. That's
a whole different world up there too. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
I was I was kind of thumbing through some of
the cryptids from up in Michigan. Okay, And I know
you live like on the border right there, right at Michigan,
and you talked about you you definitely mentioned a water
a late monster, right and uh, and there was one
that I saw and it looked like a dragon. Let
me see if I can find the name of it. Well,
the Wahila is up there too, Now, isn't that like

(01:34:51):
a dog man? The Wahila. Are you familiar with that one?

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
It sounds familiar. I probably have. I probably have it
in my notes somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
It's a it's a gigantic wolf. Okay, it's a gigantic wolf.
Some people I don't know if it's it says that
it's it's not like the dog man, which is actually human.
This is just a gigantic wolf. But I thought i'd
heard that Wahilo is a dog.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Damn the white the white wolf. Yeah, there's a lot
of the Native American culture around here talks about the
wolf spirits, and they got the water panthers and stuff
like that over on the lake erie side.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Uh, water panther, What the heck is that?

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
So the water panther is like a it's a spirit.
It looks like a panther, but it's got webbed It
looks like an amphibious panther and it just like goes.
It lives in the water, and it for the natives,
it's like good and bad at the same time. But
it tends to protect the natives. If I'm getting this wrong,

(01:35:57):
I'm sorry. Uh, let me know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
It was kind of on the spot. This is off
the cuff right here. We didn't we didn't talk about
this before the show.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
I'm going to look that one up.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
I think I've seen a drawing of it. Somebody had posted.
It was one of those creepy you know how people
post that thing, the things on like Facebook. It's like
creepy Crypti of the Week or something, Crypti of the day,
And I think I saw that before.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
Yeah, it's it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
A worm, like a gigantic panther worm.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
Thinking the horn serpents.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
Oh maybe so well, that's actually what I was going
to bring up.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Is this one.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
It's called the mint, the mishy piece you or something
like that. It looks like a dragon kind of. It
says a Native American born cryptid a water creature, but
it is it's across between a cat and the latness moster.
What it says. I don't know if that's the same
one that you're talking about, but it says that it
attacks boats and swimmers, and yeah, you don't want to

(01:36:54):
I don't want to run into that thing, but I mean,
you know, I do believe dragons are real. Yeah, and
it could be it could be some type of a dragon.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
It could be we got lake Erie has a Bessie.
I actually got a funny story. It's not it's funny
to me. Most people are like, why do you think
that's funny? But in high school I was a Me
and my buddy fish did bass fishing tournaments for our
high school. So we compete against high schools all over Michigan. Well,

(01:37:22):
we're launching out of Lake Saint Clair, going down as
close to Ohio as we can without getting into Ohio.
And Lake Erie woke up in the morning, got in
our boat, did the launch. We're the first fleet out
and water was glass. I've never seen water so calm
in my entire life. We're going seventy, like sixty seventy

(01:37:44):
miles an hour in a boat across the lake. And
but his dad saw a tunea boat way off in
the distance, and he's like, you know, we should watch
out for a what And he couldn't even finish saying
like waive or anything. And it was just straight glass.
Like I said, the water was glass. What was far
off in the distance. Next thing you know, our boat
shoots into the water, shoots up, shoots back into the water,

(01:38:06):
shoots up. It's like we hit a brick wall and
I karate chopped about three hundred dollars worth of poles.
We lost. We lost a couple thousand dollars with the
poles off the side of the boat and the brand
new troll motor that my buddy's dad just bought broke.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
Hit something.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
Yeah, so we joke around. Uh well, I joke around now.
After talking to my buddy Michael Thompson, because he writes
a book about sea monsters, He's like, well, you hit
Bessie the lake Erie Luckness monster.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, that is horrible. I
mean that that just ruined your day right there. That's terrible.
I'm sorry that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
We still won the state championships. Oh yeah, we wanted
what we wanted twice.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
Well, good for you, congratulations and you have an interesting
story to tell. But a lot of broken equipment.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
Yeah, hell it is what is we We're lucky when
we lived Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
I know right well, that could have been like a
I mean, if they had like a town or something
that had been if that's a man made lake? Is
that a man made lake because there could have been
some kind of a civilization under there or something though,
you know, like those like that Stonehenge.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
It could be because it was one of the it
was out on the one of the Great Lakes. It
was Lake Erie where this happened. But you know, same
thing with Lake Michigan. Lakes weren't always there's.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Right, because they had they had those monoliths underneath the
water and those that that mammoth kill site or sacrificial
altar down there and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
Yeah, you just never know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
That's why, I mean imagine that's that's how a lot
of people drown, is you know, jumping in water when
there's there's a tree right there you can't see.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Yeah, there's a there's a lake in Illinois, uh called
Lake Carlisle, And right in the middle of the lake,
there's a giant silo that's just underneath the water and
people we'll go. They have barricades now, but people still
climb them and get over them because people are just
jumping off the silo and are diving and they are
hitting the buildings underneath the lake and oh, just dying.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
Oh, it's so horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
Yeah, it's yeah, but that might be another lake to
check out. I don't know if there's a whole city,
but I know there's at least a farm underneath the lake.
It is man made too, so.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
Oh yeah, there's a that's okay. Well, I think that
that's something some very important research that we all should
be doing from here on. Everybody in your hometown or
in your home state. Find out what the man where
the man made lakes are and find out what they
covered up over these lakes. Why do they pick those spots?
Is there a lay line over it?

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
Get the lay line map off. Either, do a screenshot
from the show tonight and here I'll pull it up.
You guys can do a screenshot, okay, and if you're
watching it on your phone that is, and get it.
Get a copy of this lay line map you can
find it on go over Google and find out if
these lay lines run over where these man made lakes
are in your area. And if you got lay lines

(01:41:07):
and intersections of lay lines, it's gonna be areas of
high strange ess. If you want to know where to
go hunt for the cryptids, that's where you go hunt
for the cryptids. All those lay lines. Okay, I'm just
saying I'm not gonna give you my spot's away, but
I'm just gonna tell you all that that's that's a
good place to start, right there is to look at that.
And yeah, I think you know you'd missioned a witch.

(01:41:28):
You know the ad of witch?

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
Are you familiar with the aid of witch?

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Not familiar with that one? Ok? Is that the one
in Ohio?

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
That is No, it's supposed to be in Michigan, I believe, Okay, Well,
which I don't know a whole lot about it. I
just thought maybe you'd know about It's just a ghost.
I think it was a woman that was caught cheating
on her husband or something. Okay, So, and then they
have something called the Paulding Lights as well. Are you
familiar with that that one?

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
Possibly? It's all these kind of blend together, like the
big ones stand out. But I've read so many books
like local author, Hey check out this paranormal place kind
of deal that they all kind of just like blend together,
Like Glen It's.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
Same here, same here.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
I am so I'm drowning encryptied. I'm drowning encryptid sightings
and information on cryptids. Yeah, I think the Pauldin lights
are just kind of some kind of phantom lights or something.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
We have those.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
We have those all over the place, you know, the
Marpha lights. We got the Brown Mountain lights, and we
saw we saw orbs out in East Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
I was seeing all sorts of weird blinking lights out there,
and I think some of them were firefly I do,
but not all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
So are y'all those fireflights blue down there?

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
No, not usually unless there's like something in the air,
like the airs humid and maybe there's maybe there's a
tent to it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
I mean I've been seeing blue blue water falling from
the sky lately, Like people are online showing like videos
of where it was raining and it was caught in
their tents outside in the National Forest, and it was
a bright like neon blue right now. Yes, So it
could be that. I mean, I was just thinking that
could be that. You know, it's all man made chemical stuff.

(01:43:20):
It's all on the rails, it's all in those chemicals. Yeah,
the chemical clouds, rain clouds, oh yeah, yeah's and minerals
that we need vitamins and minerals for entertainment purposes only. Yes, yeah,
I'm sure we needed that neon blue stuff. It's probably

(01:43:41):
the taste like kool aid. A. Dare you to drink it?

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Somebody send me Somebody sent me a vile and I'll
do it. I want to do it. Oh my gosh,
I got it. I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
I don't know. I wouldn't. I don't think I would
drink it. But it's going into our drinking water though,
in our crops, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
Yeah, you're going to get it one were to.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
Ingest it exactly. We're going to ingest it one way
or another.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
Bugs might as well take a shot of it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
Down it. Yeah, yeah, that's terrible. God what we are
living in a weird world right now.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
We really are. It's it's getting weird every day. You know,
at some point you hope it's kind of just you'll
have a normal day. But it doesn't. It does not
tend to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
Yeah, it's like they're raining down chemicals and pharmaceuticals. They
have to give the bigfoots in the Dogans their pharmaceuticals.
I guess, yeah, I mean that's what happens for in
verses only.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
Yes, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
Gosh, this is wild. This has been a great show tonight.
Oh my gosh, thank you so much for being here,
and uh, Riley, this is a lot of fun. I
know I usually have a long show on Saturdays, but
it is it is the you know, Myrtle Beast weekend.
And and I'm not gonna keep you here all night.
I know you gotta you got a little baby, and
so do I. Okay, oh yeah, we got all We've

(01:45:03):
got all this stuff going on right now. So I
want to thank you so much for being here and
for talking about all the dogmen, and for having your
wife come on here and give her account of what
she saw that night driving down the road. It really
lines up with a similar similar account of what Cryptoville,
our friend Mark mecheck encountered at the Land between the Lakes.

(01:45:24):
A possible dog man, that little leg a deer Okay,
second one I've heard of. So so thank you for that,
and uh to play. Tell the audience where they can
find you, and uh yeah, any anything you'd like to
promote tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
All right, so you can find me anywhere that you
can listen to podcasts Midwest Mythos podcast, and then you
can find my YouTube Midwest Mythos Podcast if you want
to get a hold of me or see get the
most updates my instagram Midwest Mythos. That's probably the best
place to do it. I do have a link tree

(01:46:01):
l A n K T R dot E E slash
midwestmith Os Podcast that's got everything, all the links to
everything that you need to me. I even get a
little fancy form on the top of it. If you've
had something happen to you, or you got some crazy
topic you want to get on somebody show and talk about,
you can just fill that and go straight to my email.
I mean, I make it easy for people, you know.

(01:46:23):
So yeah, and I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do
a little plug for our little friend if you don't mind,
just because it's next to me. Y'all got to check
out the epic at Esau. This book is insane. It's
sent Doc Bround from Prometheus. Lens wrote it. We got
to hang out with him in Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
Yes, he was on the show last Saturday, y'all you
remember Doc.

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
Yeah, we all flashed our books there. I just I
just got to give the man some love.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
Great dude, that's awesome and he's a great documentarian. Oh
my god, I got all that footage. I was super impressed.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
I didn't even know he was going to do that.
I'm glad he did.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
Oh my gosh, he was. That was thorough. That was thorough,
and I can appreciate. I'm not gonna lie if I
see a video camera come out when I'm out in
the woods, i usually run, okay because yeah, see girls.
I'm not saying all girls, but I'd be looking rough
out and it was dude, I'm not trying to you
know what I'm saying. So but anyways, that was that
was really cool. That was really cool. He put together

(01:47:21):
just something that's fantastic. We did show the trailer last
week and I had it all over my social media.
I saw that right after the show. Doc put it
up on YouTube and I was like, oh, that's a
green light. We can share this out now. Shout out
to Doc with Prometheus Lens Podcasts and in Midwest mid
Tholds podcast. Everybody plays over there and follow, subscribe, follow

(01:47:45):
whatever you gotta do, and check out Riley's link tree
as well. And yeah, I hope you'll come back on
hang Out with me again.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
And you want, yeah, hit me up and we'll make
it happen. This was for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Thank you, of course you're welcome. Thank you for being here.
I knew that we'd have a fun conversation and it
was just a cherry on top having your wife hop
on and uh and she was like, what's your name?

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
Who are you?

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
What am I doing?

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
Am I?

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
I love that. I love it. She is a natural man,
She's a natural. So so thank you so much for
for doing that, and UH and having her here, and
please stay safe out there, Riley, and UH and and
I want you to have a wonderful night. And everybody,
thank you guys so much for being here. Thank you
to all my moderators who are here tonight, and UH

(01:48:38):
for everybody who has joined us, and everybody that was
at the Myrtle Beast Bigfoot Fest today. Thank y'all so
much for the buy my Heart for everybody that showed up,
and UH, and I know there's there are some surprises there.
We'll talk about it next week on the show. We
had some some very special people show up at the festival.
And so anyways, well, while let the un tell y'all

(01:49:00):
next week, and so everybody stay safe out there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
Riley.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
I will see you in the woods again soon, I hope,
with CW operators and survivalists out there. Okay, all right, perfect, okay, everybody,
have a great night, and keep your head on a swivel. Y'all.
Don't live in fear. Don't fear the Michigan Triangle, the
dog Man, the melanids, or anything we talked about tonight.

(01:49:25):
We're gonna be out there chasing them and protecting you guys.
I'm just kidding, all right, y'all. I'll see you guys
back here on Monday at one pm Eastern with a
live show. It will be awesome. I'm not sure what
it is yet, but I'm gonna figure it out. All right, y'all,
have a great night, and I'll see you later, see ya.

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
It's it's it's it's it's so. It's it's so, it's

(01:50:38):
it's

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