Missing Hunters & the Dogman Connection with Mark Machek

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Speaker 1 (00:57):
Well, good even everybody. It's Sad Nights and I'm the
cryptid huntress. I'm Jessica Jones. Thank you guys so much
for being here hanging out with me tonight. Man, we
have a great show, and I am super super blessed
to have my good friend mister Mark Meychak here in
the studio with me. Tonight. We got crypti villain here

(01:17):
and we're gonna be talking about missing hunters and hunters
that have been found dead actually, and the dog man
slash cryptid connection. So you guys, go get the popcorn
if you hadn't already, go pour you a drink and
get settled in because we got a lot to discuss tonight.
We got a few cases to go over and some

(01:38):
personal experiences. And of course Mark is up at the
Land between the Lakes. He is a longtime cryptid field
researcher with experiences with dog men, Bigfoot and other cryptids
up there, and we're gonna get into that. He's also
a hunter as well, and yes we have I'm gonna
tell you guys, I actually got the inspiration to talk

(02:01):
about this tonight because I had my fabulous guests last week.
Mark and Rebecca Green were here with me in the
studio and we spent some time together actually out in
the Talladega National Forest at a hunt camp out there,
and where a hunter was found dead back in the
nineteen eighties, actually with an arm ripped off and his

(02:23):
leg broken and pulled up behind him behind his neck,
actually behind his back and so, and that's where I
had that weird encounter with those weird creatures on the
side of the road when I was leaving there late
that night. So are some of these hunters going missing
because of dog Man? That's where we're going with this tonight, y'all.

(02:44):
If he hadn't already noticed, that's where we're going with it.
And I believe yes they could be. We're even going
to get into a little bit of the David politis
missing for one one stuff tonight as well. So if
you guys would like to follow along with all my
shows and check out the archive of all of my shows,
please go over to my website that is the Cryptidhuntress

(03:07):
dot com. You can find my calendar of events over there,
my Patreon, and my shop is called Warwoman Goods. If
you guys are interested, and let's see the next event
that I have is next weekend. I think it's next weekend. Actually,
what is today? The twenty sixth? Probably next weekend. It's July.
It's August second, can't talk tonight. And it's going to

(03:32):
be the World UFO Conference that is going to be
up in Mount Erie, Georgia at a distillery. You guys
can come drink. I sound like I've been drinking moonshine already,
and I'm just kidding. Is at a distillery where they
make moonshine. Okay, So if you guys want to party
and talk about UFO, y'all, come up here and see
me in North Georgia at the rm Rose Distillery. Okay.

(03:57):
I thought it was at a university, but it's not.
It's at a distillery, y'all, So come hang out with me.
It's gonna be a good time, and I will probably
not be drinking. There's a ninety nine point nine percent
chance I'll be sober there, okay, especially especially talking about
UFOs and Bigfoot and stuff like that. Okay, but anyways,
and I'll be back here next Saturday night to do

(04:18):
a live show, so I'll definitely not be drinking. Okay,
But you guys can and uh and yes, it will
be a great time. So that's my next event that
I have coming up. Uh, the Crypti Huntress will speak anywhere,
just kidding muonchi and distilleries whatever. But I will be
back here for you guys on Saturday night. And I
mean anyways, we're not gonna go there with that, okay,

(04:41):
and uh so that's my next event. I've got other
events coming up, like the Molina Bigfoot Festival that's in November,
and I've got some bigfoot festivals in North Carolina that
I'll be at as well, y'all just check my website
for that. Okay, let's get to this show tonight, shall we. Okay,
I don't want to get myself in trouble. Okay, my

(05:02):
mind is racing a million miles an hour. Just then, Okay,
So on this episode, we are going to go on
the hunt deep within the forest in the National Parks
of North America to explore cases of missing hunters and
those who are found dead under mysterious circumstances, some with
military involvement, potential cover ups, and the very real dog

(05:25):
man connection. Now, is there a pattern of cryptid involved
deaths of hunters being classified as what we talked about
last Saturday night with Mark Green drug overdoses. Okay, we're
going to get into that tonight as a cover up
because we are actually finding as filled researchers, we are

(05:46):
finding that that is becoming the case with some of
these cases of people who have gone missing the hunter.
I'm not saying they're all hunters, but just people out
of our national parks, state parks, and wildlife management areas.
Of course, we are connecting dots tonight with my good
friend Cryptidville a k a. Mark Maycheck out of the

(06:08):
Land between the Lakes, who is an avid. He's a hunter.
He's a longtime cryptid Field researcher with lots of experience
with dog Man, Bigfoot, and you name it. So please
help me. Welcome to the show tonight, my good buddy,
mister Cryptoville himself.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Day Jessica, thank you for having me on. Hey you
and pass me that jar? Please you that jar.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
I knew you were going to get a kick out
of that. I know. Can you believe I'm actually we're
doing a UFO event at a Moonshine's Stillery. Who to
thunk it? Very interesting, man, I mean it's it's fun.
It's fun. We like, we like to keep it light, Okay,
I guess, or can go heavy heavy on the drinks.
I guess. I don't know. I'm I will not be

(06:52):
drinking okay at that but uh but but there will
be drinks available, I do believe. Okay, only in Georgia, y'all,
only in Georgia, Mark, What do you think sounds.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Like it would would be a good time.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, I guess you'll see me on Saturday night. We'll
see how I'm acting. I'm just kidding. Maybe I'll bring
a jar home and I'll share it with everybody. Okay,
But nonetheless, I know, like what we're going to be
talking about tonight is actually pretty serious. I know I'm
trying and we're making light of you know, the conference
and everything, but we have I don't want to see

(07:30):
an epidemic, but there's an epidemic of missing people out
of our national parks and hunters hunters. Mark, and you
living up there by the land between the Lakes and
being a hunter yourself and being a crypto field researcher,
you actually have some information, you know a little bit
about some hunters that have gone missing out of land

(07:51):
between the lakes.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Right, I know a little bit. I know enough to
tell you that the numbers coming out of there, they've
been ski you quite a bit, and they're not they're
not accurate.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
What okay, what do you mean by that there's more?
Is there more or less than what people are saying?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well, historically, through time, there's probably there's a lot more,
but in recent years it's a lot less. Really yeah,
not not gonna not gonna get into the you know,
the the who and how of of how that came about.

(08:31):
But just know that some of that information may may
not be one accurate. I'm not saying that stuff doesn't
happen over there at all. Please don't take it that
I'm saying that, But just know that the numbers that
that have been reported by other individuals on other podcasts

(08:56):
may not be accurate.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Okay, Well, you are my resident. I know expert is
a heavy term, Okay, but you are. I know you're
not you don't like to be an expert, but I'm
saying you're my expert. I consider you an expert on
the land between the lakes. Okay, because you live there,
you're my resident. Go to how about that resident? Go
to Okay, my resident go to on that and the

(09:20):
land between the Lakes for anyone who's not familiar with
the Land between the Lakes is a is it federal land? Correct?

Speaker 2 (09:28):
It is a National Recreation area?

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Okay, so like a national park. Okay that is it
the same or is it different.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
It's a little bit different in the respect of how
the resources are managed. And you know what the park
actually offers. It offers pretty much the same thing. It's
one hundred and eighty one thousand acres of an inland peninsula. Basically,
you have two lakes, one on each side of it,

(10:01):
and you have Lake Barklay on the east, and then
you have Kentucky Lake on the west side of it.
And pretty expansive area, I believe the last time I looked,
and don't quote me on this, but I think there's

(10:23):
around four hundred and sixty to eighty cemeteries on that peninsula.
So quite a lot of cemeteries.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Oh man, Yeah, that's a lot. And you know that's
interesting because Okay, so some of the accounts that I've
taken out of kind of took notes on, I guess
for the show tonight. Is I am an avid listener
to dog Man encounters with Vic kind Off, who I
consider a buddy of mine. Okay. Vic has been on

(10:54):
my show a couple of times, several times actually, and
he has got some wonderful so that go back spend years, okay,
and between him and people that he's interviewed, and David Politis, Okay,
who has come under attack the past couple of days.
I saw video somebody put out saying that he's a

(11:14):
fraud and all this stuff. I don't believe that. I
think he's done some wonderful research, okay, And I talk
about it in all of my presentations I give out
to the general public. I think it's important what he does,
and I know he maybe he has left some things out.
I don't know. I don't know the whole story behind it, y'all, Okay,
and Mark, I don't know. However, I think that it
is important. Whatever he's putting out there is important in

(11:38):
my opinion. But I've taken some accounts from him and
his series The Hunter or the Hunted, I think is
what it's called, is like his book or Hunters, the
Missing four one one series where people are just gone
without a trace and there's like anomalous circumstances leading up
to their disappearances. But hunters, okay, hunters, So I have

(11:59):
some of his accounts for tonight as well of hunters
with you know, a lot of them are either older gentlemen.
It's usually men, by the way, older gentlemen that have
a lot of experience in the woods. All of these
guys that have a lot of experiences, a lot of experience,
I mean, they just go without a trace, and it's
like weird circumstances. Sometimes our bodies are found and sometimes

(12:20):
are not. But in places like the land between the
lakes where you live up there, that's a lot of land,
a lot of activity up there with dog man cemeteries,
you know, bigfoot, but a lot of places, a lot
of land to get lost in and to have accidents
in too.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Right. Oh yeah, and plus you know, you have you
have the known natural factors that you have to you know,
keep in mind as well. You know they have wild
hogs and they have you know, all the normal critters
like snakes and stuff like that. You know that that
could harms buddy. And uh, you know if you get

(13:03):
and a lot of people don't realize this, but if
you get taken down by a wild hog, and there's
more than one around, they they can attack you and
hurts you bad, and they will probably try to eat you.
A lot of people don't realize that a wild hog
will try to eat you.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Oh my gosh, you know what. The last thing I
want is to get attacked by a hog a hog
as we sit down here in Georgia. Okay, we don't
want a hog zilla coming after us and him and
all his friends eating us. I bet it it probably quick.
I mean they say that like, I mean, there's a
place where it is that brown Springs up in Oklahoma,
Texas Oklahoma border. That's where some of the some guys

(13:46):
I know used to do some research and stuff, and
they said there was like a hog pen of there
where they said the mob used to take people to
dump bodies up there.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Now that's coming. It's a common method.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Of disposal, I guess, so, I mean, I don't know.
You sound like you speak from experience. I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding, Mark, I'm kidding. I don't I don't
even that's a terrible way to go, though. I'm hoping
that people are already just seized before they get fed
to the hog. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
I've seen and experienced a lot in my in my time.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's a it's a it's a it's
a wild world, y'all. And we're living in and I'm here,
I'm here for everything. Okay. Uh, but this is that
is really wild and yeah wild hogs. Okay. But the
land between the lakes is somewhere I haven't gone yet.
I'm I love to go up there. Maybe by the

(14:41):
end of the year. I've got a couple of trips planned,
so maybe that's included in my itinerary. I'm not sure.
But but William Knighthawks says that five hundred and fifty
four thousand people go missing every year in the United States. Okay, now,
I think that's the number where actually a lot of
those are eventually found. Okay, but that's kind of the

(15:01):
general number rate there people who were reported missing in
the United States. And uh and here's another one eight
million people go missing each year around the world. And
that's really sad, you know, especially when it comes to children. Okay, anyone.
I couldnot imagine someone losing a loved one, like someone

(15:22):
in my family going missing. I mean that that would
I want to see. It's almost worse than death in
a way because you just never know what happened to
your loved one. I couldn't imagine.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
I've regretfully, I've experienced that as well. And it's not
it's not anything that's fun. And uh, it's not anything
that I ever hope to experience.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Again, I'm very sorry. That's very sad, very sad. And
so Okay, Well, you are a hunter? Am I correct?
Or am I just making that up? I remember telling
you're a hunter? Right?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
That is correct?

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Okay, I'm glad I wasn't wrong. Okay, And uh, and
you you have have you've done hunting within the land
between the Lakes Recreation area.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Actually I do not hunt over there, and the reason
why is because there their systems they have in place.
It's kind of a lottery draw and you get a
lot of people that are not from this area that
end up going there to hunt, and it is very

(16:35):
extremely dangerous. And I want to reiterate that during hunting season,
when it's it's time to hunt deer with guns, it
is extremely dangerous over there. Really it can be.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Well, I think it would be dangerous just to go
do dog man and bigfoot research out there because there's
so many people. It's almost like David Pardue says out
that you are. It's like so many people. It's a
magnet for researchers and people that want to go have
a dog ban experience. And I would I would be
a little on edge, I think a little more than
normal going out to somewhere like the land between the

(17:18):
Lace because I know it's such a destination spot for
researchers and people that want to have a dog man experience.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah. It it has become that and you know, uh,
the the environment has changed, I'll just put it like that. Yeah,
as far as you know, the way that things were
in the past as opposed to now, there's there's not

(17:49):
as much, not as much freedom to do things that
could be done in the past and as it is now.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
It becomes interesting and challenging.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, William night auccess will wildlife attacks account
for a small percentage of about nine to twelve percent
probably of the missing people out of our national parks
and things like that. Well, tonight we're focusing on the hunters. Okay,
the hunters.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Now.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Mark I had mentioned in the intro tonight that you know.
I had Mark Green here with me last weekend. He
and his wife are a lovely wife, Rebecca. I love
those two. And they came on and and Mark stayed
here late. We had like over almost a three and
a half hour show or Saturday night. I know you
were here, you were in the chat. Yeah, it was
a long show and it was amazing. We could have

(18:50):
gone for another hour talking, okay, but but we got
into the conversation about the hunter who was found dead
in the the Hollands Hunt camp is what we call it.
And I've been there before, and some of the people
in our chat probably I hadn't been able to see
the whole chat tonight, but there are some people probably

(19:10):
in here that were there with me and with us
about a month or so ago, and they say what
Mark was telling us was that there was a hunter
who was found leaned against a tree, deceased, and his
arm had been rip ripped off and his leg had
been broken and then jammed up behind his body, and

(19:34):
it was just a very odd circumstance, very odd circumstance.
They don't have a whole lot of bear sightings and stuff,
but they do have him out there at the Talladegan
National Forest. There's bears out there. But I guess, you know,
like I've talked about this before when I was leaving there,
when I was out there that night, I left around
twelve thirty, and there were some weird creatures that I

(19:56):
encountered on the side of the road. And two this day,
I still don't know what I saw, but the it
kind of sounds like it could they could have been dogmen,
could have there was something, it was something big and
and it wasn't but as a crow fly is probably
about two or three miles from where their camp was
out there where that man had been found in and

(20:17):
and there's a lot of speculation. Let's just say that
some of these hunters that have been found over the
decades and the years recent years have been attacked by
dog men and uh, and maybe there's even a cover
up going on. And uh. And you being from the land,
you know the area around the land between the lakes,

(20:38):
you you know good and will about the stories that
come out of there, and the family that was allegedly
attacked out there and unalived, and uh. And I've got
a whole list of hunters right here that well we
can go over a lot of these tonight of hunters
all over the country who it suspected that a dog

(20:59):
man hat acting.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I don't know, it's definitely different, definitely an interesting concept.
But you know, I always go back to the whole
thing of you know, you have to you know, whether
it's dog man or bigfoot, you have to you have
to look at the possible reasons for why something like
that would happen. And you know, I look back at

(21:28):
an incident that I investigated over here in the in
the LBL, and I'm I'm reminded of the factors that
come into play with that whole scenario, which you know,
there were there were people that were running around saying

(21:48):
that the attack was the result of a dog man
and this, that and the other, without any any validation, verification,
or any other information that could substantiate that claim. And

(22:09):
you know, it was very interesting because of the whole scenario. Basically,
the people that were doing all the talking, they were
nowhere to be found when that event happened and whenever
I was investigating it, and actually over there, these people

(22:33):
were nowhere to be found or seen. So you know,
they don't they don't really have in my opinion, if
you if you weren't there, and you don't have any valid,
verifiable information that you can contribute to the conversation, then
then maybe it's time to sit back and listen. And

(22:55):
one thing about that. When I was investigating that, I
had a I don't really want to call it an encounter,
but I would. I would say that it was an
encounter slash sighting of a bigfoot, a very large bigfoot,
in the middle of the day, within a mile of

(23:19):
the area where that event took place. And the thing
was about two hundred and fifty to three hundred yards
away from me, and he was big enough that I
could see him clearly. He looked like grape ape, you know. Yeah,

(23:45):
that's that's kind of how he looked. He was down
on his haunts is like this, and he was staring
right at me across this you know, this field. And
you know, the more that I thought about it, you know, one,
it was just totally bizarre that he'd let me look
at him for an extended period of time. And I'm

(24:09):
talking about ten to fifteen minutes. I stood there and
I was looking at this thing, and it was just
totally weird. Because I had binoculars I had a camera,
I had all that stuff in my vehicle, and I
kept bouncing back and forth in my head, saying to myself, Man,

(24:30):
that looks like a bigfoot. Nah, there's no way that's
a bigfoot. There's no way that he would be out
here in the middle of the day and let me
look at him as long as I've been looking at him,
So I never was inclined to look at it through
binoculars or take a picture of it. And the interesting
thing about it was, I decided that I was gonna leave.

(24:58):
So I got in my vehicle and I drove up
to the top of the hill and I turned around,
and when I came back down, there was a vehicle
that had pulled in there. It was a woman with
a little boy, and she was setting her son up
in the back of the pickup to look at the wildlife.
And when I looked over where this thing was at

(25:18):
across the field, it was gone. There was nothing there.
So I told everybody that to tell them this, that
there had to be some kind of extenuating circumstance that
resulted in that creature letting me one look at it

(25:41):
as long as I did in the middle of the day,
and I think that it may have been old, It
may have had some kind of health condition that caused
it to not be able to hunt. It may have
been kicked out of its group that resulted in it

(26:02):
being out moving around during that time. It's not totally
uncommon to see them out moving during the daytime, but
for one to let you look at it for an
extended period of time like that is not normal. No,
And I think that the the proximity that I saw

(26:35):
this thing and the timeframe that I saw it to
the event where a person was basically removed or unlived
however you want to put.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
It unlive, Oh my gosh, you should have removed it
and think about that for a minute. Died.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, it is possible, and I'm not saying that this
is one hundred percent the case, but it is possible
that that bigfoot may have been the culprit. But because
it's the LBL, you know, everybody wants it to be
a dog man, and they want it to be this
and that and the other, but they don't have any

(27:18):
anything to back that up. And you know, even even
me seeing that bigfoot, you know, I'm not going to
say the Bigfoot did it because you know, I don't
know that. The only thing that I do know is
the oddness of that encounters less sighting and the proximity

(27:40):
to the event.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
That's very interesting because I have kind of stated this
several times on my shows publicly that anytime I have
been on some dog man investigations, and there's one ever
particular that I went on and the gentleman who had
the encounter were convinced that it was dog men that

(28:05):
had harassed them and come at them all night and
they didn't know they were even going to survive that night. Well,
this is a national forest where people have seen families
of bigfoot, okay, but they've also seen dog man out
there as well, but it's more well known for having
aggressive bigfoot families out there. And when we went, which

(28:27):
is usually the case, we didn't have dog man activity.
We ended up having bigfoot activity while we were out there.
We haven't found prints the next morning, and so a
lot of the times and I'm going to say multiple
times that I've been out potentially looking for a dog
man sign, you know, I still haven't come across a
dog in an investigation. For sure. I think I might

(28:50):
have seen a couple and I was leaving that, you know,
hunt camp that night maybe, but when we're going to
investigate dog men, I usually end up finding bigfoot. Okay.
So so that is a valid thing that you're talking
about right here, Like this is a really good conversation
we're having right now, because a lot of times when
people think that they're encountering bigfoot out there or dog men,

(29:12):
it's actually bigfoot probably.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Well, you know, And and the thing that I look
at I look at it from a different perspective than
a lot of people. And you know, I think it
all goes back to the whole question of you know,
what these things could possibly be. You know, I don't

(29:38):
think anybody except for the ones that have been captured
by the government, I don't or whatever however you want
to look at that, I don't. I don't think that
anybody out here in the general public actually knows what
these things are. Yeah, And you know, we only have speculation.

(29:58):
And you know, I have some ideas as to why
these things sometimes do the things that they do that
is not mainstream, and some of that deals with why
they might attack somebody. And you know, one thing that

(30:19):
I do see a lot of is people applying human
characteristics to these things, and then they're if they are
part human, we can sufficiently say that they're probably not
all human human. So I don't think that that's a fair,

(30:45):
fair asset assumption to place upon them, because I don't
think that they're one hundred percent human.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
They're not. I just had that conversation on the show
on Thursday night with Eric. We talked about That's That's
one of the things I like to mention to people,
is like we can't assert human characteristics on things that
aren't human and just assume they're going to behave one
certain way because it's kind of human. And even though
some of the you know, if you the Melbow ketch them,

(31:17):
you know, DNA experiments or the investigations that she's done
and all the scientific you know, things that she's looked into,
they say that, like there is human DNA some of
these big foots, right, it's like human mitochondrial DNA and
then something to other unknown. Yeah, So we but we

(31:40):
we can't just assume that they're gonna act like humans.
Like it's just like with our dogs, right, Like we
treat our dogs like humans sometimes, like I treat my
dog like a human sometimes she ain't no human, okay,
and uh and Caesar and that's the comparison I made
the other day, was like, Caesar Milan is like, you know,
you can't act treat these like humans. They're dogs. They're
still dogs, just like dog men are going to be

(32:02):
dog men. Bigfoots will be bigfoot Okay.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
And you know a lot of people, I hear a
lot of people make this this uh determination, They say, oh, well,
you know big bigfoot or dog men. You know, they're
just like people. They they could be having a bad
day or whatever.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
I've said that before, but they're human.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah. And you know, I think there's there's more that
goes into it than just that. I think there's a
lot of there's some factors that I haven't heard a
whole lot of people talking about they come into play
that could contribute to to why these things do some
of the things that they do. I mean, granted, you know,

(32:46):
like any animal, if you have a a female with
young and you are either trying to harm the group
or harm the young, then it stands to reason to
me that they would try to defend their own Yeah,

(33:07):
and that could possibly result in somebody being unlived in
the process, you know, whether that be whether they're just
pursuing just being in close proximity or taking a shot
at one you know, I think that that could come
into that instinct, that protective instinct, motherly instinct. It's something

(33:31):
that's that's to a degree, is universal with with everything
that exists.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Oh yeah, I'm I'm a mama, and God forbid something
gets between me and my kid. I'm just saying, hell knows,
no fury, Okay, I'm just saying when it comes to
my child or my dog, my dog too, my dog's
my kid. Okay. But but yeah, I can understand that.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
I mean, if if you want me to get into
some of some of my thoughts on.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
It, yeah, of course I do. Yes, Well, let's let's
hear it.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
So I hope you, I hope you brought your money.
Years We're going to go down a rabbit hole.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Let's take a deep dive down this rabbit hole portal
as we usually do, because we need we need to
set up the get the stage set kind of feel like, well,
what's happening to these hunters and where are they going?
And could it be dog men? And and maybe not dogman?
What about Bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Well, I think it's I think it's important to start with, uh,
the concept that you know, we we all we all
asked the question are we going to get disclosure? Are
we're gonna are we going to be told what these
things are?

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Okay wait, pause, pause, This is the disclosure everybody right now. Okay,
mark my words, go ahead and Mark. This is a
story here.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
So the the and this is what I'm fixing to
get into is one hundred percent my opinion, and it
starts back many years ago when I was a young
researcher and I was looking and and trying to get
answers to the questions that I had at that time,

(35:27):
and I noticed something that was kind of interesting. You know,
and I hate to admit this, but I used to
be one of those flesh and blood relic dominated undiscovered
primate people.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
We all were at one point in the beginning. I'm
positive every one of us was. I think I was.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
As as time went on and I experienced more things
and encountered more things, that opinion changed. So you know,
early on I was able to ask the questions that
a lot of people weren't asking. And the reason why

(36:09):
was because I noticed that there was a there was
a disdain and or a leaning within the research community
to where people did not want or like to entertain
anything related to the Biblical narrative. And you get that

(36:34):
in a lot of areas still to this day, with
some of the researchers out there. And I'll be the
first to admit and say, I'm not trying to tell
anybody what to think. You're entitled to your opinion, your
beliefs however you want to be. You know, the assumptions

(36:57):
and ideas and possible theory that I have, they're not
just something that I sat down yesterday and plugged into
chat GPT and came up with that one.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
This is the result of years and years of research
that basically led me in the direction that.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I that I went with it, Amen, brother.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
So early on I did have I did entertain the
whole Nephilim concept, okay. And the interesting thing about that,
you know, the longer that time went on and the
more research that I did, I leaned into a different
viewpoint on that. And if you look at the Biblical narrative,

(37:54):
you know when it talks about the Nephilim in the Bible,
it talks about when the fallen angels came down, they
wanted to pollute or destroy the bloodlines of men. That
was their initial goal in doing what they did. But

(38:16):
after the Nephilum were created, they decided that that wasn't enough.
They wanted to go through and they wanted to pollute
the bloodlines of every living creature on the planet, those bastards.
And the interesting thing that when that took place, it

(38:43):
mentions in the Bible chronologically after the Nephilum, that resulting
bloodline that was created from them doing that the second
time led to what is known as the rough aim. Now,
I think that it's possible, highly likely that these things

(39:05):
could be the result of that or part of that
raphame bloodline. So with that, you know, looking at it,
it answers a whole lot of different questions that people have.
You know that people encounter you know, orbs and you know,

(39:29):
they see these things, you know, orbs come in. Then
next thing, you know, there's a bigfoot a tree and
or orb comes in and then bloop, there's a wild
animal and then the animal acts like it's going away,
and then bloop, it turns into a bigfoot or an

(39:52):
alien or something like that. So. Yes, the whole reason
why I'm that is because at the end of the day,
when you look at the Biblical narrative, when it talks
about these beings, whether they be Nephelin or the Raphaem,

(40:15):
they were not originally part of God's plan for creation,
and according to the Biblical the Bible, they were deemed abominations. Yeah,

(40:38):
And with saying that, it led me to look at
the componency or the possible components of what they are
or what they are not a little bit closer and
why they would be deemed as such. And I feel

(40:59):
that they either have or do not have something within
their makeup that is not the same thing as what
we are. So in a nutshell, that lack or addition

(41:25):
of a component allows for them to be. And I
think it's important that I back up here for a second,
because you know, when when you look at the Nephilum,
the Nephilum was was more of a pure, if you

(41:49):
will type being, meaning that was a result of a
human and an angelic being having offspring. But when they die,
there are many people that say that the result of
their spirit being bound to the earth resulting in me

(42:12):
what we what we refer to as demons now the
raphaeim offspring. I don't think that the the level of
UH bloodline purity is there for them to to have

(42:38):
the same abilities or the same characteristics is what the
Nephilum had. And I think that that's why it's my
opinion that that's why the Bible makes that distinction, is
because you know, from what I understand, you know, through time,

(43:01):
and it makes sense to me. You know, we hear
these stories about you know, Bigfoot, what do they do
to kidnap children and women for the purposes of breeding
and you know, propagating their their offspring or whatever. And
you hear stories from native history where these beings have

(43:25):
had you know, offspring with women. And in my understanding
of genetics, I would say that that would skew or
water down or diversify however you want to look at it,
that bloodline to where certain characteristics would be more prominent

(43:50):
than others. And I think that that's that could explain
why some of these things can do things that others can't,
or or you you have them, you know up until
they get I don't know, I hear I hear people

(44:13):
saying a whole lot of stuff that they don't. They
don't have any way to back up other than, oh well,
the Bigfoot telepathically told me this, you know, and you
know nothing against that if that's what you what you
believe your experience is, or what they what they communicated
to you. But you know, the trend tends to be that,

(44:37):
you know, when these things are born, it's like they
go through a learning stage until they get to a
certain age, and then they're they're taught different things and
how to do different things as they get older. And that's,
you know, stands the reason that we would have that
same experience, because we have that experience, you know, as

(45:00):
as we grow up and go through life, we're exposed
to different things, we're taught different things. So I told
you all that to tell you this. So the whole,
the whole thing of these these beings having or not

(45:24):
having a component within, then I think that that lack
or presence of a component allows for them to be
possessed by those possibly possessed by those nefhulum spirits. And
it's also possible that they may not have any control

(45:46):
over it. You know, how many times have you heard
where a person says, oh, well, I ran into a bigfoot,
I physically ran into it and just kind of huffed
at me and turned around and walked off. Or I
saw one crossing a trail and it just looked at
me and kept going didn't want anything to do with me.

(46:07):
So I think it, you know, at at the beginning
of the day, I think it's safe to say that
these these beings, first and foremost, they didn't ask to
be here, and they're just trying to live their lives
and survive and do the things that they're their instinct
tells them to do, which is eat, appropreate, and live

(46:31):
out their lives. But when you have this whole nephylum
possession concept that comes in to play, uh, that's where
things get very hairy, and it could be the what
results in some of some of the disappearances were some

(46:54):
of the you know things that happened to hunters, uh,
because they've run into these things. And another important thing
to keep in the back of your mind too, is this,
you know, these these nephilin spirits or demonic spirits, you know,

(47:17):
I think that I think that they can It is
my belief that they can see where a person is
at in their life. And by saying that, I think
that it's highly possible that they can see a person's intention,

(47:37):
a person's ah, you know, whether they're living right or
living wrong. Yes, if they're riding dirty ride and dirty.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yes, yeah, fast life.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
So I think that they can see that, and you know,
I think that that may be a factor in because
you know, at the end of the day, if you
look at demonic entities with their intention as it comes
comes into play with their interactions with humans. First and foremost,

(48:18):
they can't stand humans. They want to possess humans, They
want humans to worship them really, and they want to
consu not misconstrued or they want to pervert anything that
they can about humans and human life because that's that's

(48:45):
their their objective. So I know, I'm going all over
the place, and I'm I do apologize, but I'm trying
to get I'm trying to get a point across. So
let's say you have a hunter out in the woods,
and you have a bigfoot out there, and that bigfoot

(49:08):
is out there minding his own business, doing his things,
and you have this demonic spirit that's out there in
the woods as well, and that demonic spirit sees that
you're riding dirty. The possibility exists that he could, that
demonic spirit could possess that Bigfoot, and the Bigfoot would

(49:31):
not have any control over it.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Oh my gosh, my mind is blown right now. I'm sorry, Mark,
you're blowing my mind to night because this does make sense.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
And you know, because of its hatred for humanity. Yeah,
that could be why it. Wow, I'm laughing at I'm
laughing at the convent.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
I can't keep up with all the comments. We're going,
they're going so fast. Sight that comment. But before you,
before you go on Firewater by Design, thank you Firewater
have a go light to New Year. To you too,
Thank you for that super cigarret. I appreciate you so much.
And I'm gonna try to catch up with comments now.
We didn't have a great chat by the way, Mark,

(50:16):
you know we've always got the best chat on the internet. Okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
So I think that, you know, that could be a
factor in why some of these attacks happened, because you know,
I don't think that at the at the end of
the day, I don't think that, you know, unless unless
you have a juvenile that's just coming out of puberty
and into adulthood of male or one that's having a

(50:47):
bad time of it and got some health issues going on,
some bad teeth or injury or something like that. I
don't think that they're just gonna that they're just helped
me in on attacking a person. Wow, I just I
just don't. I don't buy that now. Dog Man, on

(51:09):
the other hand, that that might be a little bit
of a different story. But bigfoot sasquatch hair, what do
you want to call it. I don't think that they're
here just too to cause harm to people, because you
have too many instances where you hear of them being

(51:30):
helpful to people.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Yes, you do. I gotta I gotta just interject for
just a second here, because I've been thinking, as I'm pondering,
I'm always thinking, okay and uh. And we've always talked
about the difference between like ancient beings that have always
been here, like always been here on the earth, right,
and then like clones, things that have been created I guess,

(51:59):
or let's just call them clones, I guess, and experiments.
You know, I talk about that a lot here on
my channel. You know, I have people that come on
the show often that are claimed to be part of
the secret space programs and say that they've actually seen
dog men coming out of UFOs and flying in spaceships
with them and stuff. And you got to wonder, you know,
we we know that there are human cloning facilities like

(52:21):
cloning and stuff, you know, and why would there not
be cryptid cloning facilities. Everything is weaponized today. And if
they're bringing and if they're making clones of dog men
or any any kind of being like a bigfoot, even giants,
whatever they are, I mean, what what what is inhabiting

(52:42):
those bodies? Okay, like the meat suits, you know, it's
not like a human. And I think there's a lot
of human clones. I know people that claim to be
clones that they're living in clone bodies right now. And
they mean it when they tell me that. They're like,
I'm serious, I'm a clone, you know. And these are

(53:02):
people I've spent a lot of time with. But it's
just there's a whole lot to talk about. And like
so many were down the rabbit We went down the
rabbit hole. We already dove down at tonight. But it's like,
think about all the negative entities that can be put
into clone bodies of like don menace too.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
You know. Well, the whole thing with that is, you know,
I mean, you know, I know that the tendency of
the populace is to view aliens and little green men
as you know, beneficial benefactors or beneficials to our species.

(53:45):
And you know, maybe you know, but you know, hey,
I just want to remind everybody, you know, just because
something does something beneficial, it doesn't mean in that they are.
I mean, that's the brutal, the brutal truth. I mean,

(54:07):
how many times have you met somebody Jessica who has
has has been on nice and friendly and then later
on you found out they were kicking in the in
the butt.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Oh, Mark, you don't don't put me on the spot,
because you know, what happens way more than it should
have ever happened. Yes, we we we both know.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah, So I mean I know that that's a kind
of a comical, you know, kind of example, but I
mean it's the reality of what it is. You know,
something that's not good. Is it gonna come out and
say I'm gonna get you. You know, No, it's gonna

(54:53):
say hey, come on over here.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Well it's always That's what I was just telling my son.
I was like, it's always the people closest to you
that'll bite you the hardest, Okay, And uh, and that
that's true. The devil's not gonna show up looking like
a devil. It's gonna show up looking like a beautiful
princess or a prince or something. Yes, that's how it is.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
But you know, with that, you know, I just think
that it's important that we that we not lose the
sight of that. And and you know, I mean, we
have instructions on how to deal with those things, but
at the end of the day, it's up to us
just to decide whether or not we're going to use

(55:38):
those instructions and you know, test those people and find
out what they're made of and you know, uh proceed
from there. But yeah, it's it's it's definitely interesting. And

(55:58):
you know, like I said, it's in my opinion, it's
it's highly possible that that this could be some of
the case as to why, uh, some some people are
attacked and unlived with seemingly no provocation could be a

(56:26):
possible explanation for some of that.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
It could be and uh, and I know tonight we're
really focusing on the hunters who have either gone missing
or been found dead under really weird circumstances. And uh.
And like I said, Mark, Mark is actually in the
chat tonight, Mark Green, Hey, Mark, I'm so glad you're
here tonight. And uh And he was on the show
with us last week and we did discuss and I'd
got the inspiration for the show tonight over that what

(56:50):
we discussed about that hunter that was found dead at
the Holland Hunt camp. Okay, And but nonetheless, these are
hunters who are either the majority and I want to
say the majority of the research that I did on
this majority of the hunters were bow hunters with a
bow and arrows, y'all. And then the other percentage were

(57:13):
rifle hunters. Okay, gun hunters. They had a gun. It
was either a gun or a bow basically. And that's
about it, y'all. Okay, there's two and but a lot
of them are bow hunters, so they do have a
weapon on them when they're out in the field. And
we do know Mark that you know, cryptis are very territorial. Okay,

(57:33):
bigfoots are very territorial. I know that for sure from
being a field researcher. And we know they're territorial. I'm
sure that dog men would be the same way. And
so you go into their layer, you go into their territory,
and you're taking out their food. They're going to get mad,
I would think. And I've been told personally, like I remember,

(57:55):
I had someone needs to come on my show regularly
who I didn't agree with everything he said. By the way,
I'm not gonna say who it is. I did not
agree with him on a lot of stuff, but I
enjoyed having on the show occasionally. And he talked about
how he would go out with his team and they
would put like coconut oil or something, so got to

(58:15):
oil on his guns, right, so the dog men and
the Bigfoots couldn't smell it, And uh, and that's cool.
Shout out to everybody who does that. That's fine. But
I don't do that, okay, And I still have experiences
with CRYPTI is out there, okay, And I do carry
a pewpw on me, all right, But but nonetheless some

(58:39):
say that if you carry a weapon like that on you,
then the cryptids are going to know, the dog Man's
gonna know, the Bigfoot's gonna know, and they're gonna come
at me. And they're gonna attack me because I I don't.
That's never I'm still here and I've been doing this
for a long time. And and so maybe that's like
an excuse, is why these people are getting attacked. Maybe
what do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Just being armed? I don't, I don't, I don't. I
don't agree with that at all.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
And the reason why, and the reason why, the reason
why is because I don't. I can't even count the
number of times that I've been armed and had an encounter.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Amen me too. I'm always armed, Okay, I mean I'm
not going I mean, I'm I'm I'm not, you know, uh,
because there's just too many things out there that could
hurt me. Okay, and uh, And so I don't agree
with that. But there are people historically I've been I've

(59:37):
been doing podcasting and like live shows for a long time,
and there's always people that are like, oh, you know,
you shouldn't have that out there. Well, I'm everybody's different.
I respect everyone's right to bear arms. I'm just saying,
and uh, And it has never and I don't think
it's ever stopped me from having an experience.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
It never has me either.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Okay, Well, I'm glad that you're on the standboat. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
As a matter of fact, I remember and an encounter
that I had one time. I was the only one
in camp that was armed, and when one of the
people there found out that I was armed, he kind

(01:00:27):
of got upset with me because I didn't take a
shot at the thing. And I was like, are you stupid?
I'm like, this thing was every bit of eight nine
ten foot tall and I'm going to take a shot
at it with a nine And I was like, no,

(01:00:48):
I am not. I'm not giving away my life that
that easily, not when there was more than one around.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
We've we've heard stories, and I have made it a
point to cover stories like the attack at Ape Canyon
when it comes to bigfoot and uh, where a bigfoot
was allegedly and I believe it happened. I remote you it.
I believe that they did shoot a big foot out
there and Uh, and the men were viciously attacked in

(01:01:19):
their cabin. Nobody died, but they were viciously attacked till
the sun came up, at least by bigfoots and stuff.
And I've always been told even Bob Bob rests in
peace to Grumpy okay, head of the North Georgia crypt Researchers.
All right, Grumpy was one of my best friends, and
he always said, don't ever shoot. And we went out
in the woods. Anytime I was in the woods, I

(01:01:40):
was pretty much with Grumpy with Bob, and he said,
do not shoot. Do not shoot. Okay, you know, take
your weapon if you need it, okay, but do not shoot.
If you shoot it, we're in trouble. Okay. You're gonna
be a worse trouble if you shoot one. Okay. Yeah, Ever,
because they will they not only will they come at

(01:02:03):
you in the woods, but they will follow you home.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Mm hmm. And it's not the one that you can
see that you've got to worry about as well. It's
the ones that you can see, because generally when you
see one, they're not traveling traveling alone.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Never. That's right, that's right. And love, thank you for that.
Speaking of traveling, she said, get out of dodge money
in a hurry. Thank you for the gas money, Margaret,
I appreciate that. In love, You're so sweet. Yes, I
will listen. I got my I got my bug out
bag in the truck. We're ready to go. If if

(01:02:38):
s h t F is what they say. Right, if
it hits the fan, we're good to go. So thank
you so much. But yeah, do not shoot. Okay, but
I gotta admit I do feel safe for having something
on me in case I have to, Okay, shoot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Well, the only way that I would take a shot
at one was if it was a last resort and
I knew that it was that I was fixing to die.
That's the only way, and which I mean I would
probably die anyways, but it would know that I had
been there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
I know. I think I've said that on Thursday. I
think it was Thursday. I was like, well, there'd be
a pile of brass sitting wherever I left the world from. Okay,
if I'm missing you, guys will find you. There will
be a mountain of brass right there, or at least
a few Okay. And I know that sounds terrible to
the normal person listening to this, but when you do

(01:03:38):
stuff that I do, and you do Mark, it's just
you just gotta be you gotta be prepared.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Hey, I tell you what. You know, a lot of people,
a lot of people, they get involved in this and
they think it's a game. It's yeah, and it's it's
not you know, I had an incident where these things
were coming in here at the house right here where

(01:04:06):
I live right now, and they were, uh, they were
doing things to try to get my dogs to go
outside for whatever reason. And when I noticed that, I

(01:04:27):
went out there and I pretty much told them that
if they hurt my dogs that it was World War three.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
But click clack, yes, yes, mama, bear like me and like,
you don't come between me and my kids, and that
includes my.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Dogs in not those exact words, sent some cuss words,
and they stopped doing what they were doing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Well, that's a respect thing, too, Mark, you know, it's
like and I'm not saying, Okay, I know we're talking
about the hunters tonight that have gone missing, possibly potentially
being attacked by dogmen. Okay, I'm not saying they don't
have respect. I think a lot of the people who
have gone missing or if they had a dog man encounter,
they didn't have a clue that dog men existed or

(01:05:20):
would even be out there. Okay, So I'm not saying
there was not a mutual respect out there because they
don't even know these things are out there. But it's
good to have a mutual respect, to have a respect
for whatever doub they're knowing what we know. And every
time I go out in the woods, I telepathively connect
with everything out there. I'm like, Hey, you don't hurt me,
I won't hurt you. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Well, I don't. I don't do that per se. But
that's because I don't. I don't like the idea of
having that what's the what's a nice polite way to
put it. I don't like having that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
An agreement of some sort.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Well, I don't. I don't think agreement is the right word.
It's like, uh, precedent.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Yeah, like you like to keep it, keep everybody on
their toes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
You like, because I don't. I don't think that. It's
it's kind of like it's kind of like this. If
you go out there and you telepathically speak with them
and you develop that precedent where you set that precedent,
then you know they're not human and they don't have
respect in the same way that we would have it,

(01:06:52):
or that we or that we feel we would have it.
They could they could, you know, start telepathically communicating with
you at times that you might not be wanting that communication.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Oh yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Where it interferes with what you're doing day to day.
So I don't mean personally, I don't set that precedent
now I will. I will tell you that if if
I go out in the woods and there are some
some of these things out there, I can tell that

(01:07:31):
they're there. Don't ask me how that works. I can't
explain it, but I know that they're there. And to
answer that question Larry Berland, he.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Wants to know if there's more than one type of bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
I think that there more than likely is more than
one type. And that's just because of the the fact that,
as you can see with the diagram that diagrams that
Jessica has up that you know, you have different ones

(01:08:12):
that follow certain generalized characteristics that are within that particular species.
And to me, it would it would be safe to
say that there probably are different types just based off
of what their origination is or what they originate from.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Yes, I was actually going to get into a couple
of at least a couple of different types of bigfoots
tonight because I wanted to talk about that with these
missing hunters and making the connection between some things that
happen in the fog. Let's just say where some of
these hunters are going missing where fog is involved in
some of the research that I've done, people going missing

(01:08:59):
in the fog and being to gugways. Okay, gug Ways
are the type three down there on the bottom, the
violent kind, the ones that you don't want to get
to come face to face with ever. Okay, the ones
that have like a muzzle which could be misidentified. I
don't want to say misidentified. Do we really know what's
what I mean? And when it all comes down to it,

(01:09:19):
we're not either doing genetic testing on the spot with
all this stuff. Gugways could be dog men actually, but
people are. The difference is it's like, well, there's the
dogmen and then there's the gugway. Gugways are supposed to
be a type of sasquatch with a muzzle with sharp teeth,
but they could just be dogmen. I don't know, it's

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it's I just think it's kind of humorous a little bit.
Sometimes it's like, gosh, we're so so nitpiggy, but we
really don't know, right Nitpiggy with like the classifications and stuff.
But it's like, ah, they could just be were wolves
or dogmen personally. Real quick, I want to take a
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you so thank you. I appreciate that. But yeah, there
are different types of This is to answer Larry's question.
I know that Mark just answered you, but there are
different types of bigfoots foreshore, and some of them actually

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look more human, okay than the primate I guess you
could say, or the like Neanderthal humans, and some of
them like chimpanzees and monkeys and apes and stuff. So
they're all different. Yeah, they're all different. Uh But what
do you think about that, Mark? I think I think
it's kind of funny sometimes how we get into like

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classifying everything and like we're so it's so direct. It's like, oh,
this is a type three sasquatch and a good Well
what I saw leaving Alabama doesn't it doesn't line up
with anything on these charts. At all with the dog man.
You see this dog man chart. The closest thing that
I could tell you that it looked like would be

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like a variant too, like a hyena. But it was
all black, but it could have been. It was like
a pit bull kind of okay, it was kind of
like an African dog panther bear mix. It was weird.
It was weird. So I think we need to think
more outside the box. I know, it is pretty outside
the box, y'all. Margat's very outside the box to even

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understand that there's different types of dogmen, right, But then
we take it a step further and be like, well,
that's not all there is. There's more than that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Oh yeah. It's definitely definitely makes for an interesting time
when you encounter something that's not inside the box and
it uh, it's human nature to try to put things
into a box as far as you know, even if

(01:12:04):
you have somebody that's outside the box and doesn't you know,
operate within the confines of a of a box, they
even tend to do it themselves. It's just human nature.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
It is. Well, our brains are always trying to make
sense of something by what we already know. Oh yeah,
and that's where it all comes in. It is we're
trying to our brains are trying to organize things and
put them in little boxes. And that's why. And you
see how nice and neat these little boxes are right here.
These are nice neat boxes. Okay, oh yeah, nice neat boxes.

(01:12:42):
But then but then we come into contact with things
like this like the bear man and pyromedics is the
man bear pig? Yeah, stuff like that. It doesn't make
any sense. Okay, here we go. We got my famous
Smoky the bear zombie bear. Okay, And I did a

(01:13:02):
show a long time ago. A while back, very Little
ten had tasked me with a target of Gugwey in
the fog at Yellowstone National Park. Okay, And this is
a thing I wanted to get into this a little
bit tonight, Mark, because a lot of the cases that
I came across, and that's between the David Politis cases
of hunters that have either gone missing and never found

(01:13:22):
again or hunters that were found dead. A lot of
times they disappeared into the fog. They went into the
fog and they were never seen again. And I have
a case, and like I was going to say that
there's a lot of cases out of Yellowstone where they
claimed that gugway this is supposed to be like a
gugway right here, or this looks like a giant baboon

(01:13:48):
with a muzzle kind of. They say that people speculated
the gugwey or hiding in the fog at places like
Yellowstone National Park And oops, well that's supposed to be
a dog man or something right there. That's a cool picture.
I don't even know where this came from, but that's
a cool picture right there. Looks like a dog man.

(01:14:08):
Kind of looks like my dog Free actually my German shepherd.
But the but the fog. I've had my own encounter
with the fog mark in North Georgia late one night.
It was hands down, I was going to be in
the top three to five scariest moments out in the woods.
It was when some fog that looked very much like

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this actually started following us down the trail one night,
and it was so alarming to my friend Tim and I.
Tim Tim has passed away since this happened, but he
he and I he's just like special forces, like army guy, okay.
And when we fart, we started noticing that this fog

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was following us, and every time we'd speed up, it
speed up, it slowed down. It would slow down, it
would stop, we would stop, it would stop. We I
got a little scared. I don't get scared very often,
especially not with Tim around. He was always protecting us. Hey,
But he stood in the back. He said, Jessica, get
us out of here. And so I got in the

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front and I got all the people that were with
us in the middle of us, and I led them.
We all went down very quickly down the trail back
to base camp. And he stayed in the back and
watched as the fog was trailin us, and we knew
inherently there was something wrong with it. There was something
very wrong with that fog. And I think that our

(01:15:32):
senses were right, because now today I'm like meeting other
people that have had experiences with the fog, and then
I'm reading all these accounts and I'm hearing accounts like
when I was watching dog Man Encounters a bit kind
of channel, and this gentleman was on there, I think
his name was Christopher, maybe like a government agent or something.
He was on there and he was going over these

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encounters of all these different hunters who were found dead
disappeared into the fog, or they called their families were like,
I don't know where I'm at. I'm all disoriented right now,
and I can't they got lost in the fog, or
or they just things got foggy, and then they were
found dead a mile from their truck, one hundred feet

(01:16:13):
from their truck. And it makes you wonder, like, what's
going on as fog? Is this some kind of weaponization
of fog that's like human that humans are doing. Is
it alien? Is it? Is it have its on consciousness?
The way I've always described that fog was that it
had a consciousness to it. I don't know, what do

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you think, Mark.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
You.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
I have about the closest thing that I've encountered to
it would be. I do know that there is a
trend within places like the LBL that you know, when
fog is present, that there does seem to be a
higher probability of you know, encounter with these cryptids or

(01:17:04):
these uh entities as I like to call them. I
don't know what the the the factor is that contributes
to it, but you know, I also think about things
like is the fog some kind of delivery system, and

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you know, think about it from the perspective of.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
And this is this is this is a way rabbit
hole stab in the dark.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
But you know, you think about it. Fog is what
water hanging in the airy water. Water is programmable.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
And water is also another another very specific element to
the Missing four to one one series that David Politis discusses.
As a matter of fact, very very Littleton sent me
a message this morning. He was like, this afternoon, it's
kind of morning to me because I slipp late today, okay,
But he sent me a message and a link and
he was like, hey, you need to listen to this.

(01:18:19):
It was the latest video that he put out today
and he was talking about this is interesting, okay, and
this does pertain to our topic tonight because he was
talking we're talking about water deaths. And that was one
of the targets that Barry gave me as a blind
target when we were looking into the missing. He tasked
me with the missing person's clusters in national parks and

(01:18:43):
the second targeting gaming was the water deaths. And what
they were discussing on this video today was this young
woman who had gone missing out of Wisconsin. I believe
and I think was it hadn't be in Wisconsin. I'm
pretty sure because she left a bar at two thirty
in the morning. She was walking home to her apartment.
She had to pass the Marriotte riverside. There's a river

(01:19:05):
raid there and she passed it. That was the last
known video that was ever seen of her at two
thirty in the morning, and they heard the next day
her family reported her missing. Her friends found her phone
in front of that Marriotte somehow, and her body was
later found later that day by fishermen like fifteen miles
up river, like up river or something, something that was

(01:19:26):
almost impossible. It was kind of weird. And David Politis
was talking about how a lot of these water desks,
a lot of the coroners he's taught to, said that
some of these bodies that were found had like massive
amounts of ghb okay in their bodies. And it's not
like they had been injected with this, because our bodies

(01:19:48):
produced a little bit of it and trace amounts, right,
but it was like massive amounts. And what he said
in this video today was the coroners, I'm pretty sure
with the corners, the officials he spoke with claimed they
believe an entity had an entity had had some way

(01:20:10):
of getting the GHB and these bodies to release in
massive amounts, like an entity like let's just say an
alien for instant, let's just say alien just for lack
of a better term, an alien who was something like
if these people were being abducted, they had a way
to make that that chemical release in our bodies. The

(01:20:31):
people whoever they're taking, maybe they're being abducted, but there's
a way to make that chemical release. And that's what's
happening to these people when they're found their bodies have
those high levels of GHB in them.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Well, you could say the same thing for what is
that that drug that uh that's in ayahuasca? What is it? Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
I don't know, some kind of mind altering care. Yeah,
somebody in the channel know because I don't know, Yeah
what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Anyways, you know it's it's actually president d MT. There
we go, Boon Doc Bozo for the wind. So d
MT is president everything, plant life, humans, our bodies produce
it naturally. Okay, So I mean, you know, if it

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it makes sense to me that that would be a
good possibility, because they say, I don't know this to
be a fact because my near death experience did non
involve ince of uh d mt release. So, but they
say that when a person passes away that part of

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their experience is the result of a massive release of
d MT within their bloodstream. So it makes sense to
me that if your body can release a massive amount
on its own at death, that it could be prompted

(01:22:09):
by some other means to release other things or you know,
what have you, So they could be onto something. It's
it's definitely interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Well it is. And so this does pertain one hundred
percent to these missing hunters as well. If David Politiss
can you know, highlighting them in an entire book. And
we got the water desks and they're different from the
water desks for the most part. Okay, they're hunters that
have gone missing versus the water desk. But when you
bring the fog aspect into them, where probably at least

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half of these a lot of them have fog elements
where they go missing in the fog. And actually I
was when I was listening to the dog Man Encounter
show a Vic shout out to Vic Kundaff by the way,
and I was listening to this as an older episode
it's at least three years old. I don't remember the
number of the episode it was, but there were several
accounts where hunters had gone missing in the fog. As

(01:23:05):
a matter of fact, let's see if I got one
right here. I think the last one that I actually
kind of transcribed some of what I heard about some
of these. And there was one guy is the one
where he was yes, the cigarette one here he is
right here. I try, you know, I listen to stuff.
I'm always taking notes on stuff because like I'm always

(01:23:25):
connecting dots, Mark, I always connect dots, and when I
hear something that resonates, I take a note. I take notes,
I write it down, I type it, I grab my
computer and I start typing. I'm like, okay, we're going
to connect this to something, because this is I already
know this is a connection. So a guy named Jerome
Childress thirty one, this is out of Dobmin Encounters. And
a man named Christopher I think was his name was

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on his show, Agent Christopher and thirty one years old.
He was missing from a state forest in Oregon, hunting
with his best friend and his best friend's son. There
was heavy fog. When this fog became really thick. The
son got scared. The little boy. I guess he was
a little boy, I want to say, because I don't
think these guys are probably thirty, I think thirty years

(01:24:11):
old or so. And so the little boy got scared.
So the dad stayed back with him, and then Jerome
or Jeremy is what they called him, he decided to
go forward, to keep moving and to go forward. They
were hunting, and he was like, oh, I'm cool, I
know I'll find my way. And he had a cigarette.
The said he had a cigarette. They made sure to
say he had a cigarettes, and so he passed me.

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He went ahead with a cigarettes. The fog cleared and
the dad and his son went ahead, and they couldn't
find Jeremy anywhere. They said there were no cigarette butts,
no rifle. His rifle was not around or nothing. The
man was never found, never, not a trace, not his rifle,
not a cigarette. There were no cigarette butts or nothing
out there. And that was just one of the many

(01:24:54):
stories that I've listened to I've heard, I have read
where people have gone missing in the fog. I mean,
I have several right here we can read right now.
But it just makes you wonder, especially doing like shows
and covering like the Gugway and the fog at Yellowstone
and stuff. I mean, but here's another thing too, Like

(01:25:15):
it's fog is common, and I am sure Mark plenty
of people gone missing because of the fog because they
get disoriented, right, I mean, it could just be that.
But that's man's body was never found. No cigarette, butts,
no nothing. I also know for a fact that my team,
my personal team I can speak personally, we have documented

(01:25:39):
an actual portal called the met in the meadow and
sent people in it and they disappeared, heat signatures disappeared.
We have it on video. So I also know that
places like national this is a National park, places like
national parks, they do have things like portals people can
walk into and they don't even know they're walking into it,
and they could just p here forever. If they're not,

(01:26:01):
if they're not caught conscious of the energy shifts, they
don't walk right back out of it, they may be
gone forever.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Right, could be. And And another thing to keep in
mind as well is, uh so when you have an
area that is near things that emit or contain or

(01:26:38):
have nuclear radiation within them at some point. You have
to ask when does the space time of that area
become fragmented, and when does it create fissures or openings

(01:27:02):
or portals and allow things to pass through coming and going,
and or the frequency of dark magic in the area

(01:27:23):
does does that have an effect because of the increase
in weakness in the space time of an area?

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Yes, I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
And how does that How does that play into it all? So,
you know, and then you couple that with the fact
and this was kind of the direction I was heading
with my earlier statement. You know, when we were talking
about the fog, you know, fog being primarily water vapor.

(01:28:10):
You know, we know that that water is programmable and
it carries memory, and it has an energy within of
its own. You know, who's to say that that wasn't
at some point programmed through dark dark magic in an area,

(01:28:33):
and you know that it was uh utilized for the
purpose of following somebody or what have you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Oh that you know what. And I'm so glad you're
bringing that up, because it's so dark and terrible. But
and that's not why I'm glad you're bringing it up.
I'm just saying it makes a lot of sense. And
we do need to bring that into this conversation because
places like the Land between the Lakes. I know we
had William Knighthog was in the chat and uh and
he has told me plenty of times he is a

(01:29:09):
Lakota medicine man and has told me that when I've
inquired is to like, why are there's so many cryptids
around Indian burial mounds and even cemeteries. Land between the
Lakes has how many three hundred cemeteries out there or something.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Like that, between four hundred and sixty four hundred and eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
God gosh, oh my gosh, I didn't realize it with that,
that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
They actually have a book that's about this thick that
lists all the cemeteries and who's buried in them.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Okay supposedly, Well, there have been curses place on that
land from what I understand, Okay, curses, and you got
to think like by medicine men, medicine women, shawmans, and
even people who have lost their homes. I mean that's
a man made lake, another man made lake. I have
discussed this a million times about these man made lakes all

(01:30:04):
over the South where people's homes and entire communities have
been wiped out to cover up and my opinion is
to cover up our true history. Okay, but imagine losing
your entire families, you know, home that's been in your
family for centuries, for decades, and because they want to

(01:30:25):
put a reservoir there, and they have the imminent domain,
the county, the state takes over your property and you're
left with nothing but a few pennies in your pocket.
You know that that would be curse land right there.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
I would think, Mark, Well, if you look at the
early history of it before it was that, before it
was the LBL, when it was known as the Land
between the rivers, because during that time, you know, this
this area was actually owned by the Shawnee, and when

(01:31:01):
when the white settlers came in, there were some uh
not so honest land deals that took place. And you know,
I'm uhh, I'm sure that the whole cursing of the land,
uh you know was pretty much a real thing, because

(01:31:24):
from what I understand in the in the historical information
that I've come across is that, uh, basically, they were
very upset when they found out that the land had
pretty much been bought from them for way less than

(01:31:47):
what they they should have been compensated.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
That is. That makes me mad thinking about that, and
it's not fair, and I would I would be to
I wouldn't. I'm not saying i'd curse the land myself.
I'm just saying, you know, I mean, we're not going
to get into my personal family business, okay, but I
have been mad enough to where I thought that. Man,
you know, I feel bad for the people who are

(01:32:14):
gonna live on that land that was supposed to be
passed down to my family and all this stuff. But
I would never curse it, you know what I mean,
because I already knew there was ancient entity on it,
and so I just hope that people can take care
of it themselves one day. We kept it at bay
for as long as we could. Now y'all get to
deal with it. Okay, I'm just saying, but that's besides
the point. And and I did want to also talk

(01:32:35):
about some of these cases too that involve the fog.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
I have talked to some of the guys that go
out and do big foot field research and other crypt
to research with me, and they have we all have.
I have not personally yet they've encountered like military style
people out there, like at places like Uari in North Carolina,
and probably they do drills and all sorts of stuff.

(01:33:00):
Fit the land between the lakes as well. I don't know.
I don't know what's going on out there, but military
swat style, militaristic people out there doing stuff. I don't know.
My guy's encountered it. I don't know if you've encountered it.
I don't even know what it means. It may just
be regular every day Joe Schmoe is trying to be
g I Joe's you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Could be that Yeah, well, well, you know, I hear
a lot of people saying a lot of stuff that
just is not factual. Oh yeah, and I'm I'm all
about the truth. So here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
What's the truth?

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
So the truth is, you know, there there are people
that for whatever reason, they say that all the military
uses that area for training and blah blah blah. Now
I'm not I'm not gonna say that you might not
have something off the books that takes place over there,

(01:33:59):
because you do have some people in the area that
that and being that this is an internationally viewed show,
I'm not going to get into a whole lot of detail.
But there are people that do not operate within the

(01:34:19):
normal confines of the normal military in the area. So
it is possible that you may have some stuff that
goes on, but general military training, no, that does not
take place over there. Now, what you do have is,

(01:34:42):
you know, the nearby military base. A lot of people
may not realize this, but you know that that base
does have an air wing, which is primarily helicopters. There
are two hundred and eighty four helicopters at that base,
roughly that many. And the the likelihood that you're gonna

(01:35:15):
have a helicopter fly over you know, I have a
fly over the house here all the time. So I mean,
you're gonna see you're gonna see helicopters. You're gonna see
military helicopters, You're gonna see military experimental helicopters. Anything relating

(01:35:35):
to helicopters, you're gonna see it around here. So when
you have people that you know, just because they have
a helicopter flying over that they say that, you know,
it's they're watching me. They're trying to find me and this,
that and the other. Unless that helicopter is doing very

(01:35:56):
specific things. Yeah, you should not go there in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
You know, I just gotta say. I don't get interrupt you,
but it's always to me, but I know that it's
not the right term. But I always say, like egocentric.
I know, that's like you say that you're the center
of the universe, and so it's kind of the same.
It's like, it's terrible, I shouldn't say this, but it's like,
you know, we all want to say. When we're out there,
you know, doing our research, it's like, oh, there's a helicopter.
They're watching us, you know. But that's to me, that's

(01:36:25):
kind of paranoia, and it's like why why would they
care what we're doing. But then again, at the same time,
they do care. There are people who do care what
we're doing out there. You're doing the real research. They
do care. There are people that do watch us.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
You know. I'll be the first two event that you know,
I've had myself. I have had real experiences with these people,
whoever they may be. Yeah, whether they be in a
helicopter or whether they be in a white suburban or

(01:36:59):
a black that van or whatever. I have had experiences
with these evils.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
They're always watching me.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
But yes, once again. Once again, unless they're doing very
specific things, it is very irresponsible and shows your level
of crazy to everybody. We can go on and you
publicly talk about they're after me or they're watching us,

(01:37:30):
and this, that and the other. I mean, I mean,
don't get me wrong, I'll be the first to admit
that this stuff is real because I've experienced it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
I've experienced it too, I have and it smooth, criminal
criminal triple og. Thank you for that super cigarette, and
it's good to see you back here.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
It's been a minute. Thank you for being here tonight.
And you're right. Yeah, that's why listen when people wonder
like why I'm not I don't take my cameras out
on the field, like I don't shoot videos usually. I
did a one minute short clip for my Hunt club
members this week, one minute out in the field, to
give a snippet of what I do out there, because yes,

(01:38:13):
I'm not well, I don't want to get my location
away first of all, Okay, so that's number one. But yeah,
I don't know. I just I don't want to look
like the crazy person too, you know. But I also
don't feel like everybody's if I felt if I was
scared that people were following me, I wouldn't do what
I do today, Okay, or if I if I lived

(01:38:34):
in fear of it, I wouldn't even be talking about
this right now. Okay. But I don't live in fear.
Neither do you. Mark. We don't live in fear about it.
I have a healthy dose or respect though, that's for sure.
Oh yeah, you got to there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
There's a difference between awareness and fear exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
That's right. Okay, let's go back. Okay, speaking of awareness
and fear or not having fear, I wanted to I
wanted to talk about a couple of these cases with
the fog again. Let's go back to the hunters. Okay,
the Hunters, because there's I've got a couple of cases.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
I did get these, y'all. I got some of these
encounters from either David Politis with his Hunter series or
with on dog Man encounters with with Vic kind of
and that Christopher guy who came on a show. There's
one of a guy named Travis Anderson. Okay, this is
a guy back in October twenty fourteen. This guy was
hunting with his dad. And I want to bring this

(01:39:30):
one up because I think this is interesting because a
lot of these hunters are This guy was found dead unfortunately, okay,
but under very strange circumstances. And we're not saying this
was a dog man, but there were there was fog involved,
and I wanted to bring the military aspect into this
since we're talking and I did ask you about the military,
So I was kind of bringing that up to kind
of set up what I was about to bridge into,

(01:39:52):
if you know what, get what I'm saying, because I
wanted to talk about the military aspect to a lot
of these hunters who have gone missing out in the
national forests, and a lot of them were found dead,
a lot of them, uh some some of them were
torn torn apart, their limbs were torn apart, and and
and there was no explanation as to what happened to them. Okay.

(01:40:16):
So this gentleman was hunting with his dad. He and
his dad had walkie talkies, according to this account that
I heard on dog Man Encounters with vik kund If y'all, okay,
just talk about how his uh, they had walkie talkies.
The sun decided to stay at the camp. They were
gonna he was gonna go back to a camp, or say,
to camp, because his feet had blistered so bad he
couldn't walk anymore. So something happened to where his dad

(01:40:40):
could not find his son, and the sun disappeared off
the face of the earth. But you got to remember
that's a very important aspect. Was like the sun said
he couldn't walk because he readied to his dad, said
my feet are so blistered, I can't walk, Dad, And
so I'm just gonna stay here at camp. I'm gonna
go to camp. I'm gonna sit here. I'm not gonna
go anywhere. Well, he completely disappeared. When he was reported missing,

(01:41:03):
immediately the national guard showed up. So the National Guard
was called in immediately the same day. There were helicopters
or aviation search teams and things like that. They did
find his body. They found him about a mile away.
They said that they found his hat about hi mile away.
They found his body about a mile away from camp.

(01:41:24):
And he said he told his dad he's going to
stand near a waterfall or something. But here's the thing, Okay,
so he was found a mile away. This is the
same guy who said he could not walk anymore. Mark
couldn't walk anymore. This is almost like this lines up
with like the Missing four one one series. I'm not
gonna say this was like a had anything to do
with the dog Man. Okay. This is one of those

(01:41:46):
cases where there's something off about it, Okay, like something
took this man out of where he was. He couldn't
There's no way he could have walked a mile with
these blisters on his feet. He was always telling his dad,
I can't walk, He couldn't put his shoes on, and
yet his body was found a mile away from where
he was supposed to be and stuff. So this brings

(01:42:07):
into the conversation also about these missing hunters. It brings
in the conversation about not only the fog. There was
fog involved. Fog was a big element of this, and
also he was disoriented as well. The elector. They were saying,
I wanted to the military involvement was a big one
and a lot of these cases that I've been reading

(01:42:28):
up on, when you report somebody missing, even in a
national park, military does not always show up all of
a sudden. But in a lot of these cases they
called it para jumpers. That is what they were calling it.
Para jumpers, like pair of rescue what is that where
they jump from airplanes and helicopters or something. Okay, they're

(01:42:51):
all involved, and it's like immediate mark what that's weird,
it seems like, because like you don't hear that a
whole lot. I don't think when the people go missing
in a national park. But in the case, these are
some of the cases that I had right here that
I was doing some research on. It was like the
military jumped in immediately. In some of some cases it
was special forces. Now it would make sense if they're
already on site and they're doing some kind of drills already,

(01:43:15):
and so they were just there. But it's a little
suspicious to me. Knowing what we know about the bigfoots
in the national parks. These are national parks and stuff,
it makes sense like maybe maybe they're there because they
know that there's cryptids there and they're trying to cover
it up real quick or something. I mean, what do

(01:43:35):
you think.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Well, I think that it's important that we observe the
dissemination of information how that works within a search, so
I happen to I don't claim to be an expert
on anything, but at one point I was looking at

(01:43:59):
getting a search and rescue dog, and I was looking
at the different things that are entailed in that. So
when you have that kind of asset, Basically, from my
understanding of it, the way that it works is you

(01:44:21):
have a localized agency, an emergency management agency, and then
you have a state agency for the whole state that
governs those emergency management agencies within the state. And when
somebody goes turns up missing, that is you know, naturally
communicated to the local emergency management agency, which then communicates

(01:44:44):
that to the state and then you know, dependent upon
what they need for that search, then they dissiminate that
information out. Now, if there is a federal agency i e.
The military that is nearby, it to me, it wouldn't

(01:45:08):
be outlandish for them to be involved in in a
in a in a search. And I say that because
I'm here locally. Several years ago we had a a
quadruple a quadruple homicide that took place and basically the

(01:45:35):
local military base sent over some guys from their forensics
team and they were utilized in gathering that evidence within
that scene, along with many many other state and county agencies.

(01:45:57):
So you know, I think it's whatever's of if they
have it available. I think that they will supply that
in that time of need. And I don't think that
it's it's necessarily accurate to say that if they're on

(01:46:25):
sceen just because they're on SCEEN, that they're they're because
there's encrypted. Now, what I will say is this, if
they show up on scene and when they get there,
if they're if they're not revealing their identity, and they
are armed, and they look like they're there to do

(01:46:49):
business instead of find somebody, then I would say that
maybe there might be something to that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
Yeah, well yes, And.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
It all comes down once again to the whole thing
of you know, validating or verifying the information that you're
fixing it put out because you know, I think it's
it's highly irresponsible for people to do that. It's like,
and I get it, it's click bait, it's adds flavored

(01:47:29):
to the story and all that good stuff. But at
the end of the day, who is it really benefiting
to do that or to put that kind of information out?

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
Well, I can I just interject for a second, because
what I've noticed, I know what you're talking about, and
I just wanted to make a distinction between people who
are actual field researchers and people who are theatrical and
pretending to be field researchers that are making videos of
themselves out in fields. There's a huge difference, huge difference.

(01:48:06):
And those of us who are actual field researchers are
not usually carrying video cameras around recording ourselves. Okay, So
there's that. And I don't I don't care when anybody says,
y'all come at me. I don't care. I've been a
researcher for way too long to watch people that do
that kind of stuff. And uh, and I it is

(01:48:26):
what it is, you know what I mean. But it's
easy to see who's who because of who does what? Okay,
for that, and it is about the clicks and the
views and stuff. And yes, I'm also a podcaster as well, okay,
And but I didn't want to be a podcaster at first.
I never even knew what podcasting was, y'all, Okay, Mark,
I didn't ask for this. I'd rather be in the woods.

(01:48:50):
I'd rather be in the woods getting chased by a bigfoot. Okay.
But but I love this too, Okay. I've grown to
love this as well. And we have a wonderful audience
always okay, and Dine, I love sharing it, but I
feel like it's necessary for people like you and I
to come out here and talk about these things because
you and I are the boots on the ground people
who are not here just for the clicks and the
likes and to clickbait. Okay, you know, people want to

(01:49:13):
get the real disclosure of cryptids and what's going on
in places like the LBL. Listen to people like Mark y'all. Okay,
that's why I love bringing Mark on the show. So
thank you for being here.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
Well, you're welcome. But you know I'm like this and
this is the arena that I operate in. You know,
I and I mentioned this before the show. You know,
I can sit here talk about Bigfoot all day long,
and I can talk about dog Man and what I've
seen and describe my experiences and this, that and the other,

(01:49:45):
and people could walk away from that and say, oh, well,
he's just full of of it. I believe him, and
you know this that and the other or whatever. But
at the end of the day, you know it's not
I am not in the business of trying to convince
anybody of anything. If you want to be convinced, the

(01:50:07):
only thing that's really going to convince you is for
you to go out there and experience it yourself. And
that's the premise that I operated on for many years,
many many years, and you know still due to a degree.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Yeah, oh yeah, I'm just look, we just Mark. That's
why I really love bringing on the show because you
speak it like it is okay. And that's what I appreciate, okay,
And I have learned just to speak it like it
is myself okay, and not hold back. Sometimes I do
try to be diplomatic about things I do, but I've

(01:50:47):
seen too much craziness of people. Gosh, probably shouldn't say this,
but like you know, I'm not going to say like
disinformation and stuff, but it's like kind of skewing things
for the clicks, you know, and like making things up
like I probably shouldn't say this. I'm not going to say.
I saw somebody that put a video that said that

(01:51:07):
the LBL never happened like that attack on the family,
and I was like, man, that's as a friend of
mine to put that out and I'm thinking, like, what
do you think about that? What do you think about
did the attack on that family in the nineteen eighties
really happen. What do you what is your opinion? I
just asked, I'm just wondering, because I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
Like, what is what is my opinion?

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
What is your opinion on that?

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
Well, my opinion really doesn't matter. I know, well at
the end of the day, because of the simple fact
that you know, through the years and I've lived here
in this area for over twenty five years, I'm getting old.

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
We're both getting old. Okay, it's okay, at least we're
still here.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
What's interesting about it is, you know, through the years,
I've talked to a whole lot of people, and I
will admit, early on, if you weren't from this area,
people had a tendency not to want to talk to
you because you're not from the area, and that's just
the way that they are. But as I got to

(01:52:11):
know people and developed a level of trust, you know,
when I would bring up the subject, you know, I've
had I don't know how many people, unrelated, don't know
each other, at different times have told me that, yeah,

(01:52:32):
I heard about that, or that happened, or you know
what have you Now, when you go back and you
look at the original Jan Thompson's story, you know, and
I get it. You know, a lot of people, a
lot of people have their opinion on Jan and the

(01:52:54):
information that she put out and this, that and the other,
and they're entitled to their opinion. But there are only
three people that ever actually that well, let me rephrase that,
there are only three people that are still alive that

(01:53:15):
actually spent any time trying to validate that story with
Jan herself. That that would be Martin Nuntley and as
much as we may dislike him, Tom Biscardi, and myself

(01:53:40):
I actually spent I actually spent a whole week researching
with her in the LBL and we went up and
we talked to her cousin and we talked with her,
and she showed us a bunch of different airs is
in different things. And you know, at the end of

(01:54:05):
the day, you know, because you know, it did happen
such a long time ago, it was my determination on
it was that the jury is still out. I don't
know if it's real. I don't know if it's fake
because of the simple fact that you know, I personally

(01:54:30):
have talked to unrelated people that have told me that
it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
Yeah, well, there's not only that case too. There have
been hunters that have been found dead. They're bow hunters.
And I mentioned I was putting an emphasis on bow
hunters tonight, okay, and there was a pretty well known
case at least at least one bow hunter and I

(01:55:02):
wanted to bring up this fact as well. And uh,
and I wanted to I'm only going to bring this
up and I'll actually share my screen. I think I
have this here. Let's do this. Hold that thought, Mark,
I know what you're laughing about.

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
Okay, it's the one that's the one that you're talking about,
the one that I investigated.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
Yes, yes, uh, I just you know, when I was
watching this and I am, Oh, it's not letting me
access the screen. I don't know why I won't let
me do that. Okay, Well my computer's not letting me
do this tonight. Okay. But let me just explain what
I was going to show the audience tonight. I actually
had the a search engine where I put in, uh,

(01:55:43):
missing bow hunters. Okay, just missing bow hunters in North
America is what I put in. And it is outrageous, y'all.
There are so many I was actually going to scroll
through and show everybody, Okay, And uh, and so if
you just type in in your search engine missing bow
hunters and includes bodies found, it includes deaths and just

(01:56:04):
people who are never have never been found, type in
missing bow hunters, okay, and uh, and even type it
in as missing bow hunters out of the state that
you live in. I was actually wanting to look up
the Kentucky ones because you live in Kentucky and lots
of bow hunters of all hunters go missing. Now what's

(01:56:26):
up with that? First of all? And uh? And why
is it bow hunters? You know, because they say that
like dogmen would be if it were dog men that
were attacking these people, that they'd be more likely to
go after somebody with a gun, according to a lot
of people, because they don't like guns. Okay, but what's
up with the bow hunters? Do you have any kind
of thought on that?

Speaker 2 (01:56:49):
Well, yes, actually I do. So there's there's a lot
of different factors that I've looked at through the years,
and if you think about it, you know, bow season
here in Kentucky, in a lot of the state takes
place during the time of it's a transitional period, so

(01:57:10):
it's transitioning out of summer into fall and in that
transitioning period you have, you know, to die off of vegetation.
The scarcity of different you know, fruits and berries and
things like that to come into play. Animals tend to

(01:57:34):
make themselves a little less available because they know that,
you know, you know, just not having to cover the
hide end is going to be a a is going
to be a factor that contributes to their demands if
they get caught in the open, you know, just different
things that. Uh, I apologize about that eighty six. You know,

(01:58:06):
I've got an interesting story about that as well myself.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
I've seen that video though, I know what you're talking about. Actually,
Joy Jody Cook sent me that after I had contacted
The first time I ever contacted him was after I
had been tasked with the family that had been the
alleged attack on that family out there, and and my
data was really disturbing, to say the least. And I
contacted him asking about it, and he sent me that

(01:58:30):
that documentary actually and it kind of lined up with
my data actually, which is odd. What do you what
do you know? What is about it? Not to interrupt
what you were saying, but like, what do you know
about this? What do you know about this? Video.

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
What do I know about the video?

Speaker 1 (01:58:44):
What do you know about the video? Tell me about it?
It's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
Actually, should get into it. I mean really, I.

Speaker 1 (01:58:49):
Mean, you can finish your thought and then if you
want to get into it. If not, it's okay, all right.
So it's going to find too many people tonight, Okay,
well why not been we probably listen, I said, so
many people these days. It's okay, Okay, I'm okay. I
let's just hit it all. Let's hit all your night
so I know the audience will appreciate it. Y'all just

(01:59:12):
stick with us.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
Sort of to finish my.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
We're just.

Speaker 2 (01:59:19):
Say it. I can't even remember what I'm saying. Oh,
so yeah, you have. You have all these factors coming
to play during that timeframe.

Speaker 1 (01:59:33):
And I get in trouble and I bring you on
the show to mark it's okay, I get. We get.
We get each other in trouble, don't we.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
Well, the the only thing I can say to that
is this, you know the only reason why you hear
about it is because you make yourself available to them too.
And and I don't yeah, because I ain't having it.
You know, if if these people would be honest and

(01:59:59):
be up front and and tell the truth. You know,
the first time around, there wouldn't be any any need
for him to to try to you know, cover you
know now, Yeah, so you know, I mean, I don't
have I don't have anything to gain by anything that

(02:00:22):
I say. I'm not on here trying to make money.
I don't. I don't have. Yeah, I've got one interview
on my on my YouTube channel. Am I putting videos
up every day?

Speaker 1 (02:00:33):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:00:34):
You know. Do I have a website? Yes, it's you know,
but it's I haven't done anything with it for a while. So,
you know, I'm not looking to make any kind of
money off of this stuff. You know. The only thing
that I am about is the truth. And some people
can't can't handle the truth. Did you order that? What?

(02:01:02):
Code red? Did you order that? Code red?

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
Gosh, he can't handle the truth.

Speaker 2 (02:01:08):
I don't know. You know.

Speaker 1 (02:01:09):
Actually, in that in that documentary that they're referring to,
actually I think this is the same one. I'm assuming
it's the same one that I've seen. There was a
deathbed confession from a fishing game guy. It was dying
of like lung cancer or something. It said that that
he had actually watched a couple get mauled to death
by a dog man. Oh lord, I hear that breath.

Speaker 2 (02:01:33):
I don't, I don't, I don't. I cannot confirm nor
deny that, deny any validity of that story. Now, the guy,
according to the story was a game warden. So it
stands the reason to me that if anybody is going
to have any contact with that stuff, it would be

(02:01:54):
a game warden. So yeah, I mean that that would
just you know, to me, that would that would just
uh be a likely source of that kind of information.

(02:02:16):
So I mean, I'm not I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna say one way or the other whether any of
it's true or not. But but what I will say
is this, you know I was I was invited to
partake in that documentary and or be in that documentary

(02:02:44):
and for whatever. Yeah, yeah, you didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
No, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:50):
Well, let me give you the short version. So because
I don't trust people.

Speaker 1 (02:02:58):
Yea, I've joined the club, joined the club mark.

Speaker 2 (02:03:04):
So I had, you know, asked them when they contacted me.
I was like, do you have any kind of you know, agreement?
Oh yeah, eighty six. You have opened the can of worms.
It's all your fault.

Speaker 1 (02:03:20):
Eighty six Trele. We're for all this and I'm just kidding. Hey,
I take full responsibility, y'all, I do, Mark, I take
full responsibility.

Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
Well, I like somebody this. I'm not telling anybody anything
that isn't the truth and if they can't handle it,
then they need to grow up and you know, get
over it. So yeah, they contacted me asked me would
I like to be in their documentary? And I was like, hey, so,

(02:03:54):
do you have a problem. And this was my response
to them. Initially, I said, do you have a problem
signing an acceptable use agreement? And they said acceptable use Agreement?
What is that? So I was like, well, it's a
document that is basically drawn up by my lawyer that
protects you and protects me from either one of us

(02:04:19):
utilizing anything that I may contribute to the documentary in
a negative way or a harmful way, and basically it
protects both of us. And as soon as I mentioned that,
they were like, no, we don't want nothing to do
with you. We don't want you in our documentary, blah
blah blah. And I was like, okay, cool, one last

(02:04:44):
thing I gotta worry with. So I walked away from it. Well,
they created their documentary and they put it out. Well,
I knew that there was some information going to be

(02:05:06):
released in that documentary and I wanted to see it.
So what I did was I had someone that I
am related to order a copy of that documentary. Bear
in mind, this person has a different last name than me,
and they're not very likely to be traced back to

(02:05:28):
me because of who they are. So I had them
order me a copy of the documentary. And so eighty
six experienced she experienced the same thing that eighty six did.
The documentary got lost in the mail initially the first time.

(02:05:54):
So I had them contact Jody and he was like, well,
we'll send you had another copy and blah blah blah,
which he did, and he did send it out and
it never came. So they emailed him and had the

(02:06:23):
had had him send out a third copy. Well, the
third copy came in the mail, and when they got it,
the second copy showed up in the mail as well.
And basically what it turned out to be was that
the second copy had the wrong address put on it.

(02:06:46):
For sane, the first copy was just like as you
found it out of space in the mail. Never sewed
up or anything.

Speaker 1 (02:06:53):
Yeah, so you she got two though, finally.

Speaker 2 (02:06:58):
Yeah, so it ended up ended up she sent the
second or the second copy that she had, she ended
up sending it back to him because fairy is fair, right, absolutely?
So yeah, so don't feel bad eighty six. It's not
just you. It happens to a lot of people from

(02:07:19):
what I understand.

Speaker 1 (02:07:24):
Yeah, well I got I got to see the documentary
and I thought it was pretty good. Actually, oh yeah,
I thought it was pretty good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:07:31):
Part where he tried to trash me.

Speaker 1 (02:07:33):
Oh no, I didn't. So I didn't know you back
then too. I never met you before I did, I
had never made This was a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (02:07:39):
Okay, you don't remember the part where he was talking
about the two researchers that he had asked to be
in the documentary.

Speaker 1 (02:07:45):
Oh no, no, I don't. I just remember key elements
because I was looking at it to try to compare
it and contrast it to my remote viewing data. So
that's why I was. I was so excited that he
had sent me a copy of it. And I was
really because I it was some dark, really dark. I
mean I had seen a lot of weird stuff. I
think I think that it did happen according to the

(02:08:07):
you know, as a remote viewer and getting a blind
target link, that I do believe that did happen. Actually,
I do believe that there was a family that was
ripped shritt.

Speaker 2 (02:08:16):
Like I said, I've taught to too many people that
are unrelated that have told me that it did happen.
They don't know each other, and you know, it's, uh,
it's kind of kind of interesting.

Speaker 5 (02:08:32):
Yeah, but if you if you go back and you
look through and just to tell you what happened, you know,
used to be in the newspaper archives were were in
the in the governance of the public library here, and
when they had them in physical form, they were.

Speaker 2 (02:08:55):
Full newspapers and they had things in them that the
digital copy that they have online now, which is free
and open to the public, does not have. So for
whatever reason, when they scan those in they don't contain everything.

(02:09:18):
And my original investigation I went back and reviewed probably
so eighty six. I went back and reviewed those hard
copy newspapers before they ever put them on digital format,
and you know, I could not find anything. There was nothing, nothing, nothing,

(02:09:47):
not at all.

Speaker 1 (02:09:48):
Could it have been scrubbed though, just scrubbed or could
have I mean in my experience in modern day times,
because this happened in the nineteen eighties, allegedly in modern
day and I considered the nineteen eighties modern day times.
We all know about this whole mockingbird media and stuff
and local governments and good old boy networks down here

(02:10:12):
in the South in Kentucky, and everybody works hand in hand,
secret societies, you name it. When the truth doesn't need
to come out. The truth ain't gonna come out. There's
gonna be a cover up no matter what. So what
who and what can we trust from back then and today?

Speaker 2 (02:10:29):
Nobody?

Speaker 1 (02:10:30):
Nobody trust no one.

Speaker 2 (02:10:34):
Don't say it. I saw it, you saw it, you.

Speaker 1 (02:10:36):
Heard it in my head, I say it. I'll say it.
So I say to you all the time, like, oh yeah,
I've had to learn the hard way, Okay, I have
literally had to learn the hard way that we cannot
just you can't trust everybody anything. And I used to
be so naive. I used to be so naive, and

(02:10:57):
and now and the harshness, the reality, the heart's just
a reality, I guess you could say, caught up with me,
especially being a public a public speaker and having a
platform here, reality catches up quick, doesn't it. Oh yeah,
yeah it does.

Speaker 2 (02:11:16):
So, I mean it is it is. It is possible
that it was, that it was scrubbed and that it
was buried, you know, and it would have been easier
to do back then then than now because now you know,
you have you know, everybody's got a news camera in

(02:11:37):
their pocket, and uh, you know they can you know
you can't. I mean, yeah, you could drop at a low
level emp and wipe everybody out and scrub data and
all that good stuff. And that stuff does happen, you know,

(02:11:58):
but it's a lot of work to cover that stuff up.

Speaker 1 (02:12:08):
It is a lot of work. But you know, it's
worth it to some people to cover things up like that.
It's a whole we live in the Truman Show. That's
what I feel like sometimes, like you know, and everybody's
in on it except for us sometimes, So I don't know.

(02:12:30):
It makes my brain hurt sometimes wondering like how people
could cover stuff like this up. So and it's not
even that well okay, because it has leaked out because
we know about it and we're out here talking about it, okay,
But then we got people that like throw a wrench
in the engine of that, Like we're on the trail
of something that might have happened that was it changed

(02:12:50):
the course of history if everybody found out they were
actual dog men, and Lord forbid there's government letting them
loose to go feed upon humans general public. But then
we got people that are injected into these stories to
like kind of take you in another direction saying they
were I don't know, I was gonna say they were
there and stuff like that, you know, you know, stuff

(02:13:11):
like that. It's just is there any point in us
even trying to uncover the truth? I don't know, I
can know. That's why you and I both were like
we we only talk, you know, I talk about what
I know, what I've experienced, and I bring people on
my shows. We just want the truth, that's all. We
just want the truth.

Speaker 2 (02:13:28):
Well, generally, you know, I've always always operated on the
premise that, you know, I don't generally talk about stuff
that I don't have any kind of experience with, and
you know, I don't. Only here within the last year
have I done any speculative Uh, I'm trying to think

(02:13:55):
of the best word for it, you know, you know,
presentation of you know, ideas, there are possible theories. You know,
I've only done that in the last year or so
because you know, these these things are they're kind of
important because I think that, you know, people should be

(02:14:18):
aware of what they could be dealing with. And you know,
it all goes back to the whole thing of you know,
people would naturally ask the question, well, why would they
try to cover all this stuff up or why would
they try to keep it secret? Because you know, at

(02:14:38):
the end of the day, it forces them if they
acknowledge it. It forces them to answer too many questions
that they don't want to answer. It's kind of like true,
it's kind of like them files them lists. I ain't
gonna say no name, but we've been hearing about it.
Why do they not want that list to come the out?

Speaker 1 (02:15:01):
Good question?

Speaker 2 (02:15:03):
Because there causes them to answer too many questions they
don't want to mm hmm, and the repercussions of doing
so could be very damaging to a lot of people.
And you know, mhm, these people, or the majority of

(02:15:25):
people in general, are not as honest as we might
want them to be.

Speaker 1 (02:15:31):
That's true, Well, not necessarily, the Eric says, these these
are not necessarily the thoughts and views of the crypted hunters.

Speaker 2 (02:15:40):
Eric.

Speaker 1 (02:15:41):
They here put it all on, put it all on
Mark tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:15:44):
Yes, don't be trying to thought policeman.

Speaker 1 (02:15:49):
Now, Oh my gosh, he's just trying to help. Look,
we're just we're just all in this together. Okay, I'm
just kidding. Okay, but okay, So, but here's the thing.
It's to the cover of us, to the detriment of
the American people. Okay, us people who like to go
out into the woods. We like to go hunt. We

(02:16:09):
like to take our children out into the national parks,
the state parks. We like to go enjoy these beautiful
lands that we are entitled to be able to go enjoy, okay,
and go camping on and all that kind of stuff.
We didn't sign up to get eaten by dog men, okay.
And just like we didn't get sign up. We didn't

(02:16:31):
sign up to get abducted by aliens. Okay. But yet
here we are, okay, some of us, and uh. And
so it's just the best we can do is shed
light on it and bring people on the show and
to to share the general population in the public or
whoever wants to watch our personal encounters and things that

(02:16:51):
have happened to us. Okay, anybody out there, you and
I and all the guests I have on my shows,
and to bring awareness to the public because it's going
to happen no matter what. Now, But if you're out
there hunting, I mean I saw a couple of people
in the chat saying, well, I'm not going to bow hunt.
I think Eric actually was like, I don't know about
bow hunting anymore. You know, what kind of advice do

(02:17:12):
you have to people? Now? You know, as far as
like bow hunting. You're a hunter yourself. Do you recommend
people going into the national parks? Is it something that
we should be extra aware of, or do you even
think that This is a multi pronged question here. I
don't think a lot of these men knew that there
were dog men. I'm not saying they're all taken by
dog men or bigfoot. A lot of them don't even

(02:17:35):
know about it. But do you think it's the government's
responsibility or somebody's responsibility to let us know what's out
there so we don't get eaten?

Speaker 2 (02:17:45):
Well, that's it is a complex question with the complex answer.
And you know, I mean, at the end of the day,
you know, I mean, if you look at it, I mean,
how many times that we acknowledge that that the the
government or there is an agency or entity within this

(02:18:07):
world that we'd live in that has through history been
referred to as the men in Black. Well, you know,
if you look at the the Will Smith movie, we
know what the Men in Black was about, right, they
were policing the aliens. Now, if that's what their job is,
you know, to a degree, you know, I mean, I

(02:18:29):
don't necessarily agree with, you know, keeping that from humanity.
As a matter of fact, I vary against that because
of the simple fact that you know, I've had experiences
in that area of myself and I would rather know
than not know what I'm dealing with. So I don't

(02:18:53):
I don't think that they're ever going to, like I
said in the beginning, acknowledge that, because it forces them
to answer too many questions. And you know, we know
that the government does not like to give answers, especially
truthful answers to hard questions, especially questions that might incriminate

(02:19:18):
themselves or even you know, even remotely jeopardized their their
hold on their position. So you know, it's definitely definitely
an interesting concept. And it is a hard answer, a

(02:19:42):
hard question to answer. So I mean, I really don't
know what the best the best solution for that would
be other than just be honest, just.

Speaker 1 (02:20:00):
Be honest, just be aware of what potentially could be
out there. But I always tell the audience, please don't
live in fear of all this stuff. This is wacky
stuff we talk about, but it is real life at
the same time, and I'm honestly more scared of humans
than I ever am of any of these critters out there. Okay,

(02:20:20):
And I don't think that we should be scared of
and even hesitant to really go out into our national
and our state parks except for just being aware of
keep an eye on your kids at all times out there.

Speaker 2 (02:20:33):
Just yeah, yeah, Well, the trend, the trend, if you
look at it, you know, historically there does seem to
be a higher demand or hire incident rating of children
being abducted in national forest than per se adults. I mean,

(02:20:55):
you have both, but it does it does seem that
there's a the higher incident rate of children disappearing. So yeah,
I can I can get on board with that as
far as you know, being mindful of you know, your
surroundings and where your children are and all that good stuff.

(02:21:19):
But no, I don't. I don't think that, you know.
And one thing that really burns me up that I
hate to hear and basically makes me see red is
when you have these so called cryptid experts that get
on here and they say, oh, well you got you
got big food coming around your house, you got dog

(02:21:40):
being coming around your house. Well, you're just screwed. It's
either either you're gonna have to deal with it or
you're gonna have to move on. You know, there's nothing
you can do. That is the furthest thing from the truth.
But what you what you have to realize is one
that you're not playing again. And if you want them

(02:22:02):
to go away for real, yeah, they gotta go.

Speaker 1 (02:22:10):
They gotta get to banish them out of there.

Speaker 6 (02:22:12):
Get out of there, get get Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:22:23):
That reminds me of that incident that I was telling
you about the last time I was on, where I
was at the mailbox with the Bigfoot and I was
telling them that they were sending up some eradication teams.
And you know, because like I said earlier in the show,

(02:22:48):
you know, I don't think these things are inherently evil.
I think they're just trying to live their life, live
within their existence, and they're being manipulated about the forces
the same way that we are.

Speaker 1 (02:23:02):
And yeah, frequency weaponry.

Speaker 2 (02:23:06):
Yeah, and and it just, you know, I felt that
it was important for them to know that these these
people were in the area. But it was funny when
he started walking away from me. He got maybe twenty
thirty feet and I was like, get get on out

(02:23:27):
of here. Turned around, you said that, yes, I said that.
I was like, get on out of here now. And
he turned out here, yeah, and he curled his lip
up at me, and he kind of and then he
just kind of stood there and looked at me for
a minute, and he turned around and kept on going.

Speaker 1 (02:23:46):
Oh my gosh. So that's like the that's the universal
you know, shooing away of a bigfoot right there, Get
on out of here, get get So everybody practiced that tonight. Okay,
So if you're ever in a national park or anywhere
you see a bigfoot, you gotta say that, Okay, get
on out of here now. Tim, I think Tim is
it Tim Peeler right out of North Carolina. He had

(02:24:08):
like a cane or something, and he was like, I say, get,
get he was like poking at it. Stuff. That's like,
that's always my go to. Okay, if ever there's something
something needs to get out of my way, I say that, Yeah,
I don't know, there's something to it. It must work,
it must work, just saying oh, man, I don't know.

(02:24:33):
I can't I can't even imagine though, when it comes
to like the hunters who have who just disappeared off
the face of the planet, of course, I believe my
personal opinion, Mark is that some of them have walked
into portals. That's what I think, honestly. I think the
ones that have never been seen again, I think that
they probably have. The ones that have been found with

(02:24:54):
their bodies have been ripped apart. I think it could
have been dog Man. I don't know, uh A. A
lot of the stories, especially the once I was listening
to on like dog Man Encounters with some of the
eyewitnesses and the government agents and things like that that
VIC has interviewed, there seems to be a pattern with those,
just like the patterns with the David Politis Missing four

(02:25:15):
one one series of the Hunted as well. I think
I have a picture of if you guys have not
seen these movies. I have not seen the movies, but
I have read Missing for One one the North American Encounters. Okay,
this is the Hunter series right here. If you guys
want to purchase this book, just look up David Politis
Hunters Unexplained Disappearances right there. And then there is a

(02:25:38):
movie like a documentary called Missing for One one The Hunted.
Actually in that book this is all by David Politis
right here. This is his original book right here. And
in that Hunted, I think it's in The Hunted. In
that movie there's actually an encounter with the man who
was elk hunting, I believe, and he encountered a clear

(02:25:59):
cu cube, a cube just like my team encountered out
at the meadow. There was a cube that Tim and
Bob were sent towards, and their heat signatures disappeared once
they got up to it, and then they reappeared when
they stepped out of it. They didn't know they were
stepping out of it. But the only other time I've
heard of a cube being encountered in an open field

(02:26:20):
like that was on that movie. Somebody sent me a clip.
I hadn't seen the whole movie, I admit, I have
not seen the whole movie, but Barry has sent me
a clip of it where this man's describing a clear cube.
He described it as a UFO actually, and he said,
there were he was elk hunting. The next thing he knows,
he sees his cube and then he's inside the cube
with the elk being flown off planet. Wow, he said, yeah. So,

(02:26:46):
I mean I think that a lot of these hunters
are going missing, They're going through portals, they're walking into cubes. Maybe.

Speaker 2 (02:26:54):
Well, you know, that reminds me of a story that
I read one time in a great and wonderful book
I recommend to everybody. The name of the book is
in the Big Ticket. It's by Rob Roy Riggs is
the author's name, and basically it deals with a lot

(02:27:17):
of the legends and stories in the Big Ticket down
in Texas area, And basically it talks about this hunter
that was walking along down a game trail and I
think he was a bow hunter and he got to
this place in the trail where he saw like this
shimmer coming up off or you know, this coming up

(02:27:41):
off the ground, like vapor coming off of the ground,
and it was reflecting light and making that wavy looking
heat dissipation thing, and he didn't paint any mind, and
he just walked up. He walked right into it, and
instantly he went from being in a in a wintertime

(02:28:02):
pine forest to a hot, muggy, humid, dense jungle. And
he took a couple of steps and he looked around
and he was like, this can't be. This is so wrong,
and he said he started backing up, and he backed up,

(02:28:25):
and when he backed up, he came back out of
this portal and he was standing there looking at it,
and he said, the creepiest part of the whole thing,
He said, this big hairy arm came out and grabbed
him by his jacket and said he said he heard
the words aha, I got you. And he said the

(02:28:45):
thing was trying to pull him back in, and he
said the only way that he got free was he
had to come out of that jacket that the thing
had that much of a grip on him. Ended up
became out of the jacket and it took his jacket
and he took off the other way. So, oh, I

(02:29:08):
think it's I think it's highly possible.

Speaker 1 (02:29:11):
Yes, they're being grabbed in portals and pulled into portals
I'm I believe it. I one believe it. I think
that portals are weapons. There's weaponized portals. I talked about
that on Tony merkel show The Confessionals. Y'all. I didn't
mean to so I didn't know that was going to
be the title of our show. When I went on his,

(02:29:31):
he interviewed me, but it ended up being weaponized Portals.
So if you guys want to go see that episode,
that's a fantastic episode on The Confessionals. Weaponized Portals with
the Crypti huntress Miss Jessica Jones right here and and
we we talked about that. I was, you know, I
fully believe and that is a wonderful account. Thank you
for sharing that mark, because I do think that there's there,

(02:29:51):
there is an ability. I think that the cryptids, bigfoot,
dog men, humans, they're able to access Earth's natural portals
and artificial portals. And yes, they can grab people and
pull them in.

Speaker 2 (02:30:03):
You know, when I when I'm researching, I'm always mindful
of any kind of any kind of structures. I generally
don't fool around with structures because I know that they
have energetic properties and they could be traps.

Speaker 1 (02:30:26):
Yes, yeah, and they target people target certain people, and
if you read the David Politis Missing for one one series,
you're going to start seeing patterns. And they do target
They target people of certain lineages like German lineage and scientists,
and there's just a lot. There's a lot there. Okay,

(02:30:50):
read the series all it's really good. It actually is
quite monotonous after a while because it's kind of the
same story with different people over and over again. And
I'm about the patterns and connecting the dots, and that's
kind of what we're doing tonight. We have we have
connected a lot of dots and really gone down a
massive rabbit hole tonight. But it's all real life, okay,

(02:31:12):
And it's kind of hard to swallow some of this information.
And uh, it's that luckily we've been able to put
a little humor in with it, okay, because it's it's
really dark some of the stuff we talked about tonight.
But but but people need to be aware, and that's
part of why. That's one of the main reasons I
do what I do today, is because I want to

(02:31:32):
inform the public as to what's going on out there.

Speaker 2 (02:31:37):
And and I want to if you will allow me,
I want to make a small statement. Yes, you know,
I realized that it may seem like I've thrown a
lot of people under the bus tonight. That's not my intent.
My intent actually with that is sharing the truth, and

(02:31:58):
you know, uh, an encouragement to people that they should
share the truth, because when you you share embellishment and
then it is what it is, you know, And an
encouragement also to be objective in your research and you know,

(02:32:19):
try to put out factual information because mhm, what is
it really benefiting anybody to put out information that it's
not that's not true.

Speaker 1 (02:32:36):
Yeah, it's all about them. It's all for the Gram.
Okay sometimes you know that do it for the Gram
is what they used to say. Now it's TikTok because
not as many people are on the Gram anymore. Okay,
Instagram in case anybody's wondering. And that's that's how people
do it. And uh, and the truth doesn't really matter

(02:32:57):
to And that's what I've been learning, which is very disappointing, actually,
is the truth doesn't really matter. It's all about the
drama of it or the getting the audience. Even you know,
I was I was interviewed by a massively big producer
of a huge and I'm just saying he's massively big.
But the channel is by a channel. When I was

(02:33:20):
away in Florida and I was having a wonderful conversation
with this guy, became buddies with them, right, and we're
talking about you know, I'm like, man, they got like
five million subscribers, right, and like they interviewed me and stuff,
and we're talking and I was like, well, this is
you know, my channel is this way. And my buddy

(02:33:40):
was like that I met that was interviewing me. He
was like, well, you know, that's not really what we do.
We're more in it for the entertainment, you know what
I mean. And that's why they have five million subscribers
and I have almost fourteen thousand, you know, and that's
a lot. Okay, I love it. I'm so glad that
the fourteen thousand subscribers is a ton for me. I'm
so thankful and less by that. Right. But he's like, well,

(02:34:02):
we've you know, they got five million, okay, and because
you know that's what that's what people watch, you know,
but that's not my audience. And then we were kind
of contrasting and comparing our audiences and I was like, well,
I put out real, real story, you know, real encounters
and local legends and local lore, and I bring real
researchers on my show. And that's and it's just different.

(02:34:23):
It's just two different genres, you know what I mean,
if you want to call it a genre, it's just
two different things. And and so there's there's just a
difference there. But people are in it for the entertainment.
So I try to keep people entertained as well. Okay,
uh but if you want if you want the drama
and just entertainment, you're you're on the wrong channel, you
know what I mean. Uh, we we are entertaining, Okay, Mark,

(02:34:47):
You're very entertaining, by the way.

Speaker 2 (02:34:50):
I can't try to be. It doesn't always work though.

Speaker 1 (02:34:55):
Well, but you know what, we're contra tonight. We're controversial,
and that's I love it. I used to really stay
away from controversy. Now I just run towards it. I
love it. I love it because it's if it's the truth,
it's the truth.

Speaker 2 (02:35:06):
Yeah. I mean, it's like like I said earlier, you know,
I'm not telling anybody anything that's not true. And you know,
it's like if a person can't handle the truth. That's
their problem, not mine. Yeah, you know I don't have
a problem with the truth.

Speaker 1 (02:35:27):
Yeah, and neither do I. I'm just I'm just still
searching for the truth every day, every day. And so
thank you for being on this crazy ride with me,
especially tonight. This has been a lot of fun, and
it's always it's always fun spending a Saturday night with
my with my crew here in this amazing chat we
have tonight and everybody here, I don't know, what do

(02:35:51):
you think about hunting? Okay, somebody actually home, let me
ask this question real quick. Eighty six actually said, do
dog men reckon nice bows as ancient weapons more so
than guns? What do you think that dog men would
even think about it?

Speaker 2 (02:36:06):
Or no? Well, one thing that I can say is,
you know, I don't have any direct experience with that,
but what I have in listening to a lot of
interviews of people that have had encounters. You know, anytime
that there's a firearm involved, it's like the dog man

(02:36:29):
knows what it is and usually will give the person
with the firearm some sort of don't do that or
shake a thing, do this number to them or something
to indicate that. But I've never heard an incident like

(02:36:51):
that with a bow.

Speaker 1 (02:36:54):
Well, usually it's the people are looking at the critter.
You call it the creature through a scope too. Like
remember Jeff Townsend came on. Remember when you and I
were You were co hosting with me and we had
Jeff Townsend on Rest in Peace and my good friend
Jeff Townsend U. But he came on. He was talking
about that dog man encounter he had where he was
looking at it through the scope of his rifle and

(02:37:15):
he couldn't pull the trigger. He didn't pull the trigger,
and it was like it was it knew, it was
fully aware that he had it in its sight. It's
just it's odd. It's that telepathic connection.

Speaker 2 (02:37:29):
I think, Oh yeah, I think they know they know
our intention. Now, how how they know that is a
is a discussion for another day because it's like really
really in depth as to how I think they know that.

(02:37:53):
But they know.

Speaker 1 (02:37:58):
They do know that. That would be actually, that would
be an interesting full show to have. Actually, it would
just be like hunters or anyone who had a dog
man in their sight of their weapon and couldn't pull
the trigger or just had it face to face, and
there's just like that telepathic almost it's almost like a warning.
I mean, how many accounts have you heard mark of

(02:38:19):
people encountering a dogman and it smiled at him.

Speaker 2 (02:38:26):
I've heard a lot that that it has happened to.
I can say my two encounters with with dog men
did not have any of that. But you know, I
have heard of a lot of encounters like that.

Speaker 1 (02:38:45):
I have to. I've even heard of encounters with dog
men where they speak mm hm English like usually people's names.

Speaker 2 (02:38:53):
Hmmm. Yeah. But I will, I will do do one
of this. So you know, in the past I've had
I've had a lot of different dogs, and I had
one time. We had this little female. She was part lab.

(02:39:15):
She was she looked like a really small black lab.
But she would bare her teeth and smile when she
was happy, and it was the weirdest thing I've ever seen,
but she would she would do that, and every time
she would come up to you, she just bare her
teeth at you and walk up. But you if you

(02:39:38):
didn't know the dog, you'd swear you were fixing to
get bit. So I think that that might be something
to keep into the back of your mind, just because
they're baring her teeth at you and or smiling if
you will. That doesn't necessarily mean that there that you're

(02:40:02):
on the menu. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:40:04):
Yes, whatever I saw on the side of that road
leaving Talladega Forest in Alabama a little before one am
long about a month ago, it showed its teeth to me.
It was showing its teeth and it was like it
was just weird. It was weird, and it wasn't like

(02:40:25):
it was being violent or like trying to intimidate me,
because it was just my headlights that you didn't see
what I was just he knew I was a car. Yes,
it's like a truck, but it still I saw its
teeth and it was kind of like what you were describing.
It was kind of like it wasn't smiling, it was
just showing its teeth. I thought it was in pain
when I saw it. I thought maybe it was like

(02:40:45):
some kind of animal that had been hit by a
car or something, because it was like crouched down in
the grass at it. It was. It was weird. It
was really weird. I wish somebody had been with me,
just somebody has been with me to like have an
opinion on it, because I still don't know what it was.
But but I have a good feeling it probably was

(02:41:06):
a dog man, I think so. But anyways, I don't know.
My dog doesn't show her teeth like that. She doesn't smile.
I've had dogs that did that before, though I have
I've had dogs that did that, but not my German Shepherd.
I just pulled, by the way.

Speaker 2 (02:41:24):
I know.

Speaker 1 (02:41:24):
That's so besides the point I pulled the giant, most
giant tick off my dog list, I had to get
a pair of plyers out. Yes, I've had ticks. My
ticks don't stick, Okay, they usually crawl out on my
forehead right like during a show or something. I'll be like, oh,
there's a tick. If I come home from the woods,
you know, right before a show. I've literally had ticks
on my for my forehead. Yeah, I had to go

(02:41:45):
take a shower. Okay, get those ticks out. But my dog, yeah,
we've had my dog. She's tough, man, She's tough. She
doesn't smile. She doesn't ever smile. She's too tough for that.
But anyways, man, okay, well this has been a fantastic show. Gosh,
how this is almost a three hour show. Let's go
ahead and just wind it down. I know it's getting late.

(02:42:06):
I know it's getting super late tonight everybody. And I
don't know, what do you do? You have any advice
for hunters that go out, and yeah, actually.

Speaker 2 (02:42:20):
I would just say, you know, be aware of your surroundings. Uh,
Situational awareness is going to be the the major thing
that's going to keep you alive. And you know, just
try to be as safe as possible. You know. I
used to myself, I used to hunt from a tree stand,

(02:42:46):
but uh, I don't do that anymore because I'm I'm
not enthused about the concept of the thought of being
hemmed up in a tree with nowhere to go. I mean,
I'm not a I'm not a monkey man.

Speaker 1 (02:43:03):
I mean, yeah, that's that's a that's a vulnerable spot
to be in. Actually, I've been a true stand and uh.
And that's and that just reminded me of something when
I was listening to The dog Man Encounters and stuff,
some of his some of Vic's episodes, I was they're
talking about how they believe that a lot of these
hunters that were attacked with their bodies were found and stuff,

(02:43:26):
their rifles were laid down. It was almost like they
had already you know, shot whatever they were going after,
like sheep or elk or deer, they'd already gone out
and shot it, and they'd laid their rifle down and
they were checking the animal, and that's when they got attacked.
It was that moment that was what the consensus was

(02:43:48):
is they had done it at a vulnerable moment. Something
came from behind. Now, honestly, I gotta tell you, Mark,
to me, it sounds like a big cat too. I
think I think a lot of these and people that
are you know there, they do get ripped apart. These hunters,
I think they're attacked by big cats, bears. It's not

(02:44:10):
always dog bin, it's not always bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (02:44:14):
I can get on board with that.

Speaker 1 (02:44:17):
Yeah, cats attack from behind right. Sometimes they'll go for
the head and the neck.

Speaker 2 (02:44:21):
Well. A lot of times they'll attack from a high spot,
either from a ledge or a tree, and they'll jump
down and they'll attack the Usually if it's a game
animal that they're attacking, they will attack the back of
the neck and they'll do the same thing on a
human until they can get around to the front side.

(02:44:41):
And then it's pretty much you know, a throat baite game.

Speaker 1 (02:44:46):
At that point, throat biit game. It's a throatback. You
can't handle the truth, everybody. I'm just saying, it's really
it's really dark, y'all, really bad. But we have to,
you know, especially if you're going to about their hunting.
We're giving advice to hunters right now. Be aware of
your surroundings. Always look up right, markt That's what I've

(02:45:09):
always been told as a field researcher, Always looking in
the trees, because that's where things will hop down and
grab you.

Speaker 2 (02:45:16):
You know. Interestingly, I was doing some research in the
location in the lbl Im, not going to say exactly
where it was at, but there was a creek that
was flowing parallel to the road, and in this one
particular spot in this creek there was you know how

(02:45:40):
like in some creeks you have sandbars, Well, there was
a gravel bar. There was a place where the gravel
had washed up and it was like, I don't know,
maybe three four foot wide on this gravel bar. And
when I looked at it, you could see two perfect

(02:46:05):
footprints set down in that gravel, like something had jumped
off of that ledge down into that creek, into that gravel.
But the interesting thing was. There were no tracks coming
to it, no tracks going away from it, And I
think that it's possible that it could have something could

(02:46:28):
have jumped out of a tree. Now I'm not saying
it was a big foot or a dog man or
anything like that, because naturally it was in gravel. There's
no way to get any kind of shape or form
out of that because naturally, when the footfall is picked up,
that gravel just caves in on itself. So, oh my,

(02:46:51):
definitely interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:46:53):
I mean that kind of lines up with all the
single footprints we find in the woods when we're out
doing our big footing or bracking and stuff. There's like
one little footprint or one big footprint and nothing else. Uh,
none of it makes any sense, but but it could
if you think about the you know, jumping from a tree.
And I don't know what. I've had plenty of conversations

(02:47:16):
with fellow researchers who are like, yeah, you know, you
get a couple of footprints, it's because they're walking backwards
into their own footprints. And I'm like, no, they're not,
but I don't know. They could be. That's that's a
whole other story and a whole of their show right there,
but it is possible. I don't know. I don't believe it.

Speaker 2 (02:47:36):
I would. I would have to see that.

Speaker 1 (02:47:38):
I'd have to see it exactly. You have to see
it to see what the footprints look like. So I
don't know. I want to say, like I'm I'm beyond
all that. At this point, we know they're out there. Okay,
we know they're out there, and in the days of
taking cast castings are fun and everything, but it's like
we already know they're out there. We don't need to

(02:47:58):
prove it to anybody. It would be nice for me
to have on cast light hand on the wall, though
you know she'll do that one day. I'll do it
one day. Okay. Somebody was asking earlier, by the way,
I don't know if you're still in the chat, but
somebody's asking, where do I get on my artwork? So
hobby lobby, y'all? Okay, hobby lobby. Maureen gave me girl
nor Gonna gave me this and that right there. I
got this at the Expedition Bigfoot. I think I'm pointing

(02:48:20):
the right way. I hope i am. Everything's backwards, Okay,
I got this picture of Expedition Bigfoot and Cherry Log Georgia,
and the rest is from hobby Lobby. Okay, y'all go
to your local. I'm not sponsored, but I am. I
would be if they'd let me, okay, be sponsored by
hobby Lobby. Okay, they're not open on Sundays. I'm sorry.
You're gonna have to wait till Monday to go get your own.

(02:48:41):
All right, but but anyways, thanks for asking, by the way, man, Okay, well,
this has been a fantastic show. My goodness. I learned
a lot tonight, Mark, And uh, we probably pissed some
people off, and we've offended some more people probably, And
it's okay, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (02:49:00):
Like I said, it's not that wasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:49:05):
Mine either. We apologize in advance, y'all. Get on out
of here. Get I'm just yeah, get on out of here.
Get come back when you're ready for the truth. Okay,
I'm just kidding. This has been too fun. Yeah, thank

(02:49:26):
you so much, Mark for spending your Saturday with us
here on the crypt Dunter's channels.

Speaker 2 (02:49:29):
Thank you for having me on again.

Speaker 1 (02:49:32):
Of course, you're welcome anytime. You're always welcome here anytime. Okay,
and yeah, if you guys want to get more information
about some of these hunters that were found that have
disappeared or have been found, please go to first of all,
dog Man Encounters with Vig Kundiff dog Man Encounters Radio.

(02:49:52):
You guys can find plenty of encounters. I don't know
the number of this episode, but I will, I promise
you guys, tonight or in the morning, I will put
this link to the I took notes. I'm always transcribing
stuff and taking notes, y'all. And UH, and so I
did that tonight and I will find that episode. I
will put it in the link, uh, in the description
or the comments enter the video and I'll put that there.

(02:50:15):
I promise y'all, I'll do that. And also I think
it's canam What is what is missing? For one ones missing?
Canam Missing? Okay, that's the website. Go to cannam Missing
on YouTube. That is the David Politis YouTube channel. Okay,
and UH, and go look for the hunted and hunters
that have gone missing there. That's the Those are the

(02:50:35):
two best places for y'all to find information on UH
missing hunters and hunters that were found dead under very
strange circumstances. And UH and also tune into the cryptid
Hunters channel and we will continue to stay on the
hunt for dog Man and missing Hunters out here. Okay,
and uh in cryptoville dot com and Cryptoville on YouTube,

(02:50:57):
criticvill tell tell everybody. I know I just said it,
but tell everybody where they can find you. In your website.

Speaker 2 (02:51:02):
Well, like I said earlier, I've got a YouTube channel.
It's uh Cryptonville.

Speaker 1 (02:51:07):
That's not it. I put mine up. Go to the
CRYPTI come in, sorry promoting myself without Well, you and
I have very similar names. Okay, I don't have my
glasses on.

Speaker 2 (02:51:20):
And then my website is cryptonville dot com.

Speaker 1 (02:51:24):
And uh yeah, in your YouTube channel as well.

Speaker 2 (02:51:29):
It's Cryptoville. I can't remember the numbers. They recently changed it,
but it's on YouTube. Just search for Cryptidville. It'll come up.

Speaker 1 (02:51:40):
It's in the description box for the show, y'all. And
our wonderful mod's been putting it in the chat the
entire show as well. And and so yes, here it
is right here. You guys can find it on on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (02:51:53):
Just look up Cryptidville seven.

Speaker 1 (02:51:58):
Seven forty one. If you can handle the truth, go
to cryptoville dot com. Oh man, all right, Well, everybody,
thank y'all so much for being here tonight and for
sticking with us for almost three hours. Has been a
fantastic show as always, and and please stay safe out there, y'all.

(02:52:21):
I know things that we talk about are not always
rainbows and sunshine and clouds and boogers and all that.
It's usually what's more boogers than rainbows, okay, but literal
wood boogers. But you know, we need to be aware
of this kind of stuff and to not live in

(02:52:42):
fear but living awareness, like like Mark said, y'all, and
protect the children at all costs, and all your loved
ones out there, and protect your neck apparently as well. Okay,
and uh, and look up if you're going hunting out there, y'all.
Just always be aware. I know our audience here is
going to always be aware of things, but maybe kind

(02:53:06):
of like educate your family and your friends just kind of.
I know they're going to look at it. People look
at us like we're crazy. But it might just save
a life. Okay, might just save a life. And I
don't know, you guys, please come back and see me.
I'll be back on Monday at one pm Eastern Live
if you guys want to come back and hang out
with me again, I'll be back Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and

(02:53:27):
next Saturday as well. All right, Mark, Well, thank you
so much for being here. I will see you guys
on Monday. Oh and I also want to thank everybody
for the super stickers Tonight, Smooth Criminal, Mari and Tiger
I in Love and Firewater. Thank you so much, you guys,
And all right, I will see you guys on Monday.

(02:53:51):
All right, Mark, all right, bye y'all.

Speaker 7 (02:54:28):
It's it's, it's, it's it's so, it's it's

Speaker 2 (02:54:46):
It's

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