Ohio Bigfoot, Portals & Poltergeists with Mike Tornincasa of MT Paranormal Life

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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Well, good evening everybody. It's the Crypted Huntress. I'm Jessica Jones.
Welcome into on the Hunt tonight. We're boy do I
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a wonderful guest. We have Mike Torning Casa here out
of Northeast Ohio. We're going to get into some really

(01:13):
amazing cryptid talk tonight, paranormal talk and all that. He
is brand new to the Crypti Hunter's Channel and I
cannot wait to talk about some of those Ohio cryptids
and ghosts. Y'all know, some of my favorite dog man
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further ado, let's get to our show tonight, shall we. Okay,
So tonight we are going on the Hunt with paranormal
researcher Mike torn in casa of Empty Paranormal Life, who
investigates some pretty incredible areas of high strangeness up in
Northeast Ohio and he pretty much goes wherever the paranormal

(03:28):
leads him, just like myself, and he is really good
at bridging the gap between the living and the dead.
You guys can find him over on his YouTube channel
mt Paranormal Life. You guys, please help me. Welcome to
the show today, mister Mike from Empty Paranormal Life. Hey Mike, Hello,
Hello everyone. Thank you so much for being here. It

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is so wonderful to have you here on the crypton
Hunter's channel for the first time.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
It's great to be here. Thanks, thank you of course.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Well, we have a mutual friend and I'm super excited
to have Long Island Bigfoot. Maybe he's in a chat
somewhere tonight, and and so thank you. Shout out to
l I B for linking us up. And and I
know you guys have spent some time together. I think
out in the woods probably right.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, yeah, we me and Jack from the cameraman crew.
We spent a few days out in Long Island with
him and did some investigating of some of his research areas.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Oh man, I got. I had the pleasure of going
up there about two years ago and I got to
hang out with him and Brian Minnick of Montauk is
Strange and we had Oh yeah, he's incredible. Man. Those
two guys right there are some incredible boots on the
ground researchers. And if you want to go to Montalk,
you take those guys right in Camp Hero that area.

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They know it like the back of their hands.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, for sure, I have one I go back and
check out more places like Camp Hero. I would. I
would definitely love to do that.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Oh yeah, that's one of those plays says that the supernatural,
the paranormal, and the cryptids collide in that one area
right there. It's got to be like lay lines, energetic fields.
I don't know, there's something wild. Maybe it's all the
experiments they've done up there with teleportation and time travel
and stuff too, you know, but there's something that makes

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that place real special.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I think, yes, for sure, So that's that's on my list.
I looked up a little bit about Montalk and I
bought my interest, and I didn't really ask much about
that area. When I was visiting, I happened to discover
a lot of that after so soon as I kind
of seen that, I was like, I reached back out
the mic and I'm like, I gotta come back out there.

(05:42):
I'm like, I gotta go see what's going on around there,
because it looks like there's a lot of really interesting
places to go check out.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I got.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Some serious research. Man.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yay does man? I mean yeah, And everybody go get
his book, everybody that's watching tonight if you hadn't already purchased.
Brian Minnix's book is called Montalk is Strange, and he's
dedicated his heart and soul into that book in all
his research. So I think it's important that we do
uncover the true history of places like that. It's a

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very dark history there, and much like a lot of
these places where my team goes out and researches and
we have, like I said, there's like a collision of
like paranormal, supernatural and cryptids in places like that, and
it's just an area of high strangers. But a lot
of trauma happened there as far as the children and
the people involved in the Montalk project. Uh, you know

(06:36):
that that's kind of like places where we end up.
You know, I know you you kind of follow the
paranormal kind of follows you around kind of like it
does me, I think, and or I follow it maybe,
but it takes us places where there has been trauma,
like battlefields, and you know, we really don't know our
Pland's true history when it comes down to it. But

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but yeah, trauma and stuff. So I don't know how
did you get into chasing a paranormal?

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Encrypted well, up until I'd say probably the very first
experience I had, I pretty much thought it was all BS,
Like I did. I you know, I was pretty fixated
on watching like Ghost Adventures and Ghost Hunters and and
I put about like there's a slight chance that there's

(07:30):
probably something that's going on, and I I like, I've
said this before, and I think it's a good way.
I always thought of it as like it's like the
WWE like style of TV, and that's that's how, you know,
it's honestly how I seen it. I'm like, Okay, I'm like,
this is all like people freaking out over nothing, and
you know, they're they're they're trying to get their ratings

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and because up until that point, I mean I was
like almost you know, forty at that time. This was
back in like twenty you know, the early two thousands
of twenty. My very first experience was around twenty fifteen,
and I never had really anything, you know, I've never
experienced anything myself, and so, you know, up and most

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people probably are the same way. You know, you really don't.
You kind of see a lot of things and you
think people are overreacting or you think they're faking, and
you know, until like you have a real encounter, a
real personal encounter, you really don't. You know, you really
don't know, and you think most people, you know, because

(08:32):
it's hard to believe, you know. And that first experience
for me, without getting into much of the backstory, was
I had done a recording at my home at the
time I was I was married then and I had
a few small children, and I was investigating my home

(08:53):
like to try to validate some of these things that
were happening that I couldn't quite believe. But I believe
what my family was telling me. But I still had
an experience of things that they had in the home.
So on Halloween, I was just kind of like hey,
I'm like, let's I'm going to investigate my home and
see what happens, you know, see if something happens that
has happened before. I had a son, my one of

(09:13):
my younger sons with me at the time, and nobody
else wanted to do it. Of course, you know, I
shut all the power off to the home because I
had an AMF meter and I didn't want anything to
give me any false readings, like any of the wiring
because this is an old home and I had old,
uninsulated wiring. So I shut the breaker off, had my
EMF meter and my cell phone with a recording app
and I just did audio recording and I was communicating

(09:38):
because you know, I've never done this before, so I'm like, well,
I'm just going to act like somebody's there and talk
and see if somebody says something. I was asking questions
and then I saw my EMF meter, which was a
K two standard. I saw it start spiking all the
way up to red and back and forth, and in
a way that kind of looked like like an old

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stereo when you're listening to, you know, vocals, you could
see like the pitch has changed. It started spiking like that,
and I was like, wow, that was that was pretty
unexpected because there was no reason why that would have
happened normally. So that happened, and throughout the rest of
the night, I didn't hear or see anything, So I
wrote it off as nothing happened, you know, like Okay.

(10:22):
It was kind of a you know, letdown, you could say,
because I was trying to see if some of these
other things were going to happen, like maybe a month
or two months ago, by never listened to that recording.
I was going to pick up my at the time,
my brother in law. I was just driving over to
pick them up. I think we were going to go somewhere.
And I dialed his number and this is digital age.

(10:44):
Now this isn't like old analog service. I get that
because a lot of people about say, you know what
I'm about to talk about, they were like, oh, that
was cross signals. I'm like, well, this is digital service.
This is an analog I dial is number and I'm
waiting for the call to connect. I could I kind
of that pause, like you can hear like the open line,
but there's no you know, no ringing, nothing, And then

(11:07):
I hear this voice sounded like a robot, like somebody
with I don't know if you're familiar with someone who's
had a trachea out of me and they have the
vibrating voice box. Yes, it sounded like that, Oh my
real roboticy And the voice said hello, Michael, I mean
very clear, so clear, and I was just like stunned.

(11:28):
I just sat there holding the phone and I was
I realized what I just heard, and I like, I
had a hard time processing it. And then the call
connected and I hear his phone ringing, and then I
left in the strange voicemail that sounded like I was
lost in space. I was just like, hey, Randy, it's Mike,
you know, and like, and I was still just sitting there.

(11:49):
I couldn't stop thinking about that voice. But ever since
that moment, I realized there is something. There's someone that
is able to talk to me from the other side.
They were able to use my cell phone, talk to
me in lifetime, find me, talk to me in lifetime

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in their own voice, just like that out of nowhere,
and I was just like, there was absolutely no doubt
in my mind that there is something that's going on,
or there is some connection in between that we don't
normally understand or that isn't normally there but can come
through somehow. And that was what started this whole, like

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you know, and I think that was meant for a reason.
And I'm not sure if that reason was to start
me down this path to keep opening up and trying
to see what's out there for some reason or what
it was about.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Oh yeah, that that's kind of what happens to a
lot of us who have gotten into these fields of
cryptid and paranormal supernatural field research. It's something that it
kind of blows your mind you have no explanation for.
And he kind of it kind of it's like a
I want to call it a gateway drug, you know
what I mean, like into other stuff. And because my

(13:07):
I started off doing you know, being really interested in
ghosts and ghost hunting as well. And you know, and
I want to say that that robotic voice that you
heard that is not uncommon when it comes to getting
into this field of research. Actually, because I remember when
I first started doing the Bigfoot field research. The head

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of one of my main team that I was on,
he he was talking about how when he got into
he got really deep into the Bigfoot research and started
realizing there was a connection between Et and Bigfoot. His
life got really weird and it and it kind of
snowballed into him getting phone calls or the phone ringing

(13:51):
and it being a robotic voice just like how you described.
It sounded like a garbled robotic voice on there. And
he was like, yeah, no, I'm on quit doing this.
I'm gonna I'm gonna take a break, is what he said.
Because at that point it got it got too weird.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
That made me want more, which is you know, which
is why I'm doing what I do now. But oh,
I just want to mention that voice spoke to me
two other occasions too, the same manner in between a
phone call, and it was like a decent gap, like
it just caught me out of the blue two other times,
but it was so robotic y I couldn't understand what

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it was saying. But it wasn't just like a simple
couple of words like hello Michael, which came through real
easy to understand. It was like speaking and I couldn't
understand what it was saying the last time. It sounded
angry the last time, which didn't make me feel any better.
But I could tell in its pitch. It was like
there was some kind of like hot like it was.

(14:49):
It was saying stuff louder, and it was talking like
it was angry. And then that's when I finally spoke,
and you know, because I'm like, I'm like, sounds like
it's getting you know, ticked off for some reason, maybe
because I'm not talking. So I was like, I can't
understand you. You know, That's what that was like my
only reply. And then that was the last time it
ever happened.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Well, I've listen. I love your YouTube channel. I've actually
watched several of your videos there, and uh, and I
love how you you're actually quite nice to the spirits
and stuff out there and to the cryptis, whatever's out
in the woods. When you're out there doing your investigations,
You're you're very calm, it seems like, and and and
that's quite It's kind of a difference between the you know,
like the TV shows that we watched, like listen, you

(15:29):
mentioned Ghost Adventures. I have to have to say that
was always my favorite go to right there, and uh,
and they just they just got the they got the evidence,
like they got the results, you know, and uh, but
it but it did kind of stem. Some of it
was from kind of being mean to the spirits and
like provoking and stuff. I mean, you know what I mean,

(15:49):
so right, uh, And and I don't try to I
don't do that when I'm out there in the field
with the bigfoot research and stuff like we don't go.
I mean, I am bait. I'll admit I love being bait. Okay,
I'll be bigfoot made any day, but I'm not out
there like challenging them and stuff. You know, show yourself,
you know.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
That's you know, that's like I I took it a
different way because I think, you know, changing your mood,
changing your feelings, you know, it'll affect the environment. So
I started to come up with a way where I
wanted to provoke, right, I wanted to try to get
a response and not be you know, and just reflect

(16:33):
my personality in a way. And I put it as
like a dare or a challenge. I wasn't like rude
or me and I was just like, you know, I'm
like I would I would say, you know, I'm like,
I don't you know, something seems to be throwing stuff,
you know, can you throw it? Go ahead, throw it
at me? Just don't hit me, like, let me see

(16:54):
you know, that would be pretty amazing to do. And
I would I would like try to encourage that kind
of activity, right, But I wouldn't be like trying to
be like a jerk, you know, trying to actually provoke
in a way that's like, you know, condescending or to
be mean. I would actually challenge is more like I
guess you could say it. I would challenge activity wherever
it came from. And and there's times like I don't

(17:16):
know if you've seen it in the poortergeist awakens from
my experiences with things being thrown, it sounds like things
being thrown and hitting. So I would throw rocks myself.
I would throw them and I keep throwing them, and
I'd try to hit trees, and I'd be like, you know, like, okay,
well let's see if you can do it again, do
what I just did. Or maybe maybe you don't like

(17:37):
that I'm throwing rocks, so you know you want to
throw them back, go ahead, just don't hit me. But
you know that's the kind of you could say, like
the challenging that I do to try to see you know,
it's like experimenting, right, because that's kind of you just
try different things.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Oh yeah, well you're also you mentioned you're a dad
as well, and it's like it's like challenging your kids,
like when you're they're playing sports and stuff too, you know.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Now.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
I actually so I was out in the field last
weekend and last week ago tonight, as a matter of fact,
I was getting hit with infrasound. We were having rocks
thrown at the at the camp at by our campfire
or something. We were getting stuff that was thrown from
the woods at us. We even had some neighbors up
the road in a camper some people that were camping

(18:20):
out shout out to Stacy and Brian by the way,
but they were up there camping and by an abandoned
camp site that we that that was up there, that
had been abandoned about two weeks ago, I guess. And
it looks like people just ran out, maybe potentially ran
out in the middle of the night because they got
scared and left everything behind. And we found actually Brian,

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one of the guys that was he and his wife
were camped out up that way. They found footprints on
Sunday morning, big footprints around that camp site. After we
had had something potentially a dog man or a werewolf
run out past that camp and all sorts of wilts
of a tree got knocked down right beside our campsite
Saturday nights. That was one we could go tonight now

(19:04):
that all the craziness went down out there. But we
were you know, we weren't even out there like challenging anything.
We're just out there to observe. And they didn't want
us there apparently, or they just got tired of us
being out there. I guess my question to you was, like,
when you were out there, I know the poultrygeist awakened,

(19:25):
you were outside in the woods. Do you think that
you were dealing with cryptids or do you think you
were dealing with something supernatural?

Speaker 2 (19:33):
That's a good question. I wish I knew. All I
could say is I refer to this phantom activity as poltergeist,
as the forced poltergeist, right because with my actual sighting
of something that I I lean more towards what I've
seen with some kind of a cryptid, confirmed myself personally

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that I think there are other kinds of entities that
are out that can be there. However they come, I
don't know, because you know, I had to absorb a
glimpse of one in a matter of a second. And
what I seen was pretty crazy, like to try to describe.
But so I know, you know, and people's other you know,

(20:17):
people have seen these and I've seen videos or there's
been sightings, and you know, so I know there are
things that are out there. But other than like the
one physical sighting I've seen of something, I don't know
what else is out there and what else is doing this.
But I've read very interesting comparisons to things that have
happened in many documented polar guist cases. And if you

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read about the activity of structures being stacked, things being thrown,
rocks being thrown at the house, you come to a
conclusion that it seems to mirror in a way what
older guysed activity can do that people experiencing their homes
out in the forest. So you know, and most of

(21:01):
the time these things are just elusive and a lot
of times I don't even see what's causing the noises.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Neither do we.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
You know.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
That's that's why I love Okay, so I love this
conversation tonight, right because, uh that is this is I
just have goosebumps actually because I'm like, you know what,
this is something that we need to talk about as
far as like the cryptid field research goes as well,
because a lot of times we don't see anything out there,
but we're experiencing, uh, the energetic shifts, we're experiencing the

(21:31):
things being thrown, we're experiencing lights in the woods. Like
we had lots of lights in the woods last weekend
where I, you know, my friend Keith and I thought
it was the guys, uh that we were passing out
in the woods, but they thought it was us. And
then when we got up to the top field, they
we were like, well we thought that was all down there,

(21:52):
both both both of us, and we're like, okay, well
there's just so much more out there that could be
poultry guys. Okay, now poultry guy's activity, maybe it's not
cryptid activity, or maybe it's all in the same. I mean,
you know, it's like the more we think we know,
the less we know, or the more we go out
there and experience, the less we know.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Right, And that's that's one of the things I've always
focused on too, is is not not trying to find
the answer so much. I try to focus on just
the activity. And that's why i'd like I prefer like
an experiencer as like an actual title of what I do,

(22:33):
because I don't necessarily try to solve problems that are
you know, you could say solve problems, try to figure
out what's happening. What I try to do is to
I mean, originally I wanted to see if the same
things had happened to me in the past, what happened
with the voice phenomenons, and then it turned into a
whole lot more happening, and so I try to just
I try to document what happens, you know, and I

(22:56):
don't necessarily try to draw conclusion to what it is.
I just try to capture it in its raw happenings,
to see how what can happen, what actually can happen,
you know. And that's like an explorer mindset, because you
know the danger of what's happening or what you could
get into because you're going somewhere where you've never been,
or you're exploring something that you don't know what the

(23:17):
hell is going on, but you want to experience what happens.
And I think more I think it's right if you
know what's right for you to do that and accept
that because people freak out all the time, you know,
when they're like they're basically yelling at me, telling me
I got to worry about this, I got to worry
about that. But I always go with my gut, and

(23:38):
my gut usually is telling me that I'm going to
be okay and I'm not pushing boundaries that might turn
into some negative type of energy. So I just kind
of like experience what happens. But I know things are listening.
I know whatever's there is listening. And that's why these
things happen is because you. You're the key. We're the

(24:02):
key when we're there. You know, it happens because we're there,
and not everybody's the same. Everybody's got their own frequencies
of their body, their vibrations, their heart, their brain. Everything
is your unique like signature, right, You're a unique beacon.
And that is what I think. Certain kinds of energies
and entities are attracted to what draws them towards you.

(24:27):
So I think some people can interact differently draw different
kinds of things to them, and you know, so that's
some of the things that I've noticed that happens. And
I mostly try to find it. I try to make,
you know, see what will happen, See what happens. But
I know that they're you know, they're listening. And if

(24:49):
you if you do voice phenomenon, if you do EVPs
and you listen, you'll hear, you know. And I think
this is a higher dimensional thing that's happening all around
with the energy.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
And you have hit the knelt on the head in
so many ways. And I love it. And uh, you know,
I I do not have all the answers anything. I
don't have any answers actually, but that's something that I've
noticed too. It's it's not just like the land that
we're going to, it's the people.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
And uh.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
And that's why I'm pretty particular about who I go
out in the field with. And you know, in my case,
my whole team is at least one or two of
my teams we are trained extensively in remote viewing. And
so we we've trained for I'm gonna say at least
a decade, uh in uh in just remote viewing over

(25:37):
a decade really but and uh, and that's the type
that the military uses, that type of remote viewing, and
and so it's we we've worked out our psychic muscle,
so to speak, right and uh, and so there's an
energetic factor to that, and it changes you energetically when
you do tune into your psychic abilities and your gut,

(25:58):
your gut reaction, your gut feeling. And I mean, you're,
like I said, you're hitting all the nails on the
head in my book. Okay, when it comes to the
the protocols that we have as a team and the
things that we've learned, it's it's you. You. You'd fit
right in. I'm just saying, if you ever want to
come out with my team, okay, because we are We're

(26:18):
very much into, you know, bringing the right people out there.
And and I remember there's there was a point where
some of the guys were like, yeah, Jessica, be sure
you come out there, because every time I would come
out to the field, weird stuff would happen. Okay, and uh.
And maybe it's the frequency that I was on. I've
just always been in tune with with really weird stuff,

(26:39):
paranormal stuff. And and it seemed as though the first
time I went on a big Foot expedition, not only
were we having big foot activity out there, but it's
like the et activity ramped up for all of them,
and we had UFOs. I mean, my team is documented portals.
We have the team has sent people into investigate portals
and they've disappeared, you know, and then came back, reappeared

(27:01):
their heat signatures at least, and we just experience it
all out there. And and in order to be to
be able to do that and you know, not lose
your mind, you have to have your head on straight
and you have to really be in a good place
mentally to be able to handle all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Right right right, It's it's like it's like a belonging feeling.
It's like a super trust kind of exercise. Like you know,
you know, once you've had experiences, you know what can
what can happen, what's out there, and you go for
that experience. You know, it's like a lot of it's

(27:40):
you're vulnerable. But I think if you know you're vulnerable
when you do it, it's like it's like a certain
strength that some people have. And and I think that's
part of the mixture why things happen, you know, to
some people, and that might be why some negative things
happen to others who you know might try to interact
or do things, and they're not not seeing the same

(28:02):
as others, and certain things see them maybe as like
some kind of a negative thing themselves.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
M Well, let's talk about poultry guys for just a minute, okay,
because poltry guys are very interesting, the whole poultry guy's phenomenon.
I know a lot of people know the poultry guys
from the movie come towards the Light Caroline or whatever,
you know, Caroline and uh and uh and that. And
I've referenced that movie several times because we're talking about, like,

(28:33):
you know, homes built on top of Indian burial grounds
and graves and gosh, that sucks. Okay, that's gotta suck
finding out your home was built on top of some
kind of burial mound or something. And there's probably a
lot more of that that goes on than we can imagine. Okay, right,
but uh, but poultry guys. You know, I remember seeing

(28:54):
the first time I saw an object levitate in front
of my face. I was living in a haunted of apartment,
an old house in Atlanta. I live in Georgia, by
the way, so I was down and when I was
I was young, a young lass living in downtown Atlanta,
and I lived I kind of I want to say,

(29:14):
a CD part of town, okay, kind of, but it's
just right where the clubs and the bars and everything were,
and right across from the Claremont Lounge. All my atl
folks will know what that is.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
And uh.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
And so I was having a lot of paranormal activity
at this apartment. I'm talking about like come home at
night and like black flies would be blanketed on my
ceiling going down the hallway, like black masses of like
just a black mass would like fly through my apartment
and like and knock me down one night, and just
it's just weird, like very it's almost like demonic type stuff.

(29:47):
What's happening there? It was not good, okay. But but
one night I woke up and I was hearing like
a something moving And I had a cat at the
time and named MYU and I was like, man, you
stop it. You know, I thought he was in my mind.
I was seeing like a cat like moving something on
my table with his hand like moving it, moving it,

(30:09):
moving it, and and I just yelled again. I was like, man,
you stop it. And the next thing I know, this
vase it's like glass vase I had a flower in
it went flying off my bedside table and it was
suspended in the air, and I was watching this and
then it sat there for just a minute, just a
few seconds, and then it crashed to the floor and

(30:32):
my cat meowed from over across the room. It wasn't
my cat, but I saw this. Now, I would attribute
this to poultry guice activity. And when I think of
poultry guys, I think, like I look back on that,
I'm like, well, I think that was my energy probably,
And even though it was a haunted house, very haunted,
I wonder if that was me, you know what I mean, like,

(30:53):
because that's kind of like a manifestation of something inside
of us. They say, So, I don't know, what do
you think about that?

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, obviously something is able to like manipulate molecules of objects,
like some kind of a force that can can do that.
And you know from some of the Polter Guys accounts,
like was the Black Monk of Pontiff and things you

(31:22):
hear about a young the young girl, and I think
in that case, and they attributed the polter guy's activity
to what do you what do you call that? Psychokinesis yes,
is that like they were people, people can manipulate and
move things with their mind with the and they said

(31:42):
that the it seemed like she was doing it. But
then I think she had some kind of a an
evil spirit or something that was possessing her or something,
and somehow I don't know if that, if her ability,
caused all this to happen. But so, yeah, what you're
saying about it being possibly created personally, it seems like

(32:05):
that seems to go hand in hand with most poltergeist accounts,
is someone who has some kind of PK type of
potential or ability to do that. Now, one thing that might,
like the one first account of something like that happening

(32:26):
was at the house I was talking about that led
up to that voice phenomenon experience. My ex wife and
my son witnessed a porter geist event that they both
seen it and told me about it, And of course
I couldn't really dismiss it because I believe what they
told me. But this was back in like twenty fourteen,
twenty fifteen. My ex wife had a teapot, the boiler,

(32:50):
the water boilers, you're familiar with those. They have like
a base they sit in and you plug them in
and you fill them up with water and then you
set am innute and it boils. It had that full
of and it was boiling, and then they witnessed this
fly off the base, like literally project off the base
over the edge of the breakfast bar and crashed on
the ground and broke all over. And so that when then,

(33:15):
if you ever tried to even like I was trying
to debunk this, which I kind of wondered, I'm like,
I don't know how you can how this could happen
just accidentally without literally something hitting it, because I tried
it empty when we got a new one, and even empty,
it had to be physically like pushed off the base,

(33:36):
let alone full of water, which is when it happened.
So that was like the first time I've heard of
something like that happening. And my first real experience with
like I couldn't believe was at a place we call
the swamp here in northeast Ohio, and this was I
I don't know what caused this, if it was something

(33:57):
physically throwing these rocks, right, but these are one of
the only times where I've actually found the object and
we've seen the object that was thrown or that got launched,
and these were very large rocks, like bigger than a softball,
and they captured them on video both times this happened,
has happened twice in the same location, and these rocks

(34:20):
came with such velocity and impact that it was hard
to believe a person could have done it, let alone
the distance that these traveled to hit the impact to
the point of impact, and that right there made me like,
you know, that was one of the first like holy
s moments that really made me wonder what kind of

(34:43):
energy's there and what's doing this? And again, I don't know,
there was nothing we seen. It was dark, this was
all night time, and to think somebody would be doing
this and we weren't able to see them with our
thermal and nobody had any lights on at any point
around when there's happened to actually see we couldn't say that,
you know, it was a person who threw these. And

(35:04):
there was one person with us when both of these happened,
and it was the first two times they were there
with us, so we kind of wondered if this was
some kind of like I honestly asked myself, was this him,
like could this possibly have been something with him like
himself maybe a PK in a way, like something was
he somehow manifesting this to happen or is this a
response to him being there for the first time? Back

(35:28):
to back is first two times. And if you see
the if you look in the videos, like in my videos,
those rock throws were crazy. Like I measured the one rock,
it was like five inches by three by two and
three quarter inches. I mean it's a massive rock that
weighed like two pounds. And this thing just I mean
this thing sounded like it got shot out of a
cannon when it hits the tree. Wow. Yeah, that kind

(35:50):
of energy always made me like worry a little bit.
But then wonder is this like a warning or is
this communication in the way or what?

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Well, you know what. Okay, So this is where like
the paranormal and the cryptids collide. Okay. And I love
how this is a very outside the box kind of
a conversation here because we're, you know, Bigfoot people who
are out there looking for Bigfoot. Everything's gonna be Bigfoot, okay.
People that are on a ghost hunt, everything's going to

(36:20):
be a ghost okay. People who are looking to the
sky or for UFOs, everything's gonna be a ufo. Okay,
that's just the way it is. That's how people are.
And and in my case and a lot of my
friends and people that I go and do our research with,
it's like, well, we kind of just have to keep
an open mind about everything. And it's not very often
that I actually talk to people like yourself that are like, well,

(36:40):
what if these rock throws are actually poultry geist and
not a bigfoot? You know, because in my mind, I'm thinking, well,
that's got to be a bigfoot or a dog. And
usually it's a bigfoot that throws rocks. We assume. We
just assume that, but maybe it's not. And especially if
you're not picking up on a heat signature anywhere. You
guys had thermals out there, you didn't pick up on anything.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, I had my thermal going at the time of
the second rock throw, and I immediately was looking around,
like when had happened. I was looking around with the
thermal trying to see if there was someone. Plus, it's
easy to spot someone who has a flashlight when we
know where we're at, and when we have flashlights, if
there was you know, because nobody in these areas we're

(37:23):
at would be out there with no flashlight because it's
under canopy. It's just pitch black. You can't see. You
can't see if you didn't have some form of light
or something. So we're pretty convinced you have no flashlights
and the thermal immediately. Like luckily the second time, I
had the thermal rate in my hand at the time
that happened, and I was immediately scanning, and I was

(37:45):
looking to see if there was somebody nearby, because you know,
one of the most scariest things out there is people. Yeah,
and I never know what the hell people will do, right, Yeah,
and especially if you happen to go out in areas
that might be publicly accessible. Who's who's out there, because
we've ran into people living out in places and you know,

(38:07):
so trust me, Like the worry of people is big.
Wherever we're at when everything's happened, we're always aware that
there's possibly people around. That's why we usually stay mostly
going to areas we're familiar with. But yeah, so we're
pretty convinced nobody was around when this happened, and that
was a show of like some kind of power, you

(38:29):
could say that, like I had I was not expecting
and you know, because we've I've heard like rocks hit
right and it's usually like sounds like a smack of
a tree, or it sounds like a rock clanking off
a tree. But this was like, this was like an
explosion of a velocity and power of a massive rock.

(38:50):
And back to back times it was so strange, and
it was, Yeah, the poltergeist or cryptid kind of thing
was always, you know, always in my mind, you know
what's happening.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Wow, Well, you know, here's here's the way I look
at the rock throwing too. Whether it's polder guys or
bigfoot people are rarely hit with those rocks, like never,
I don't, I don't know any but it's actually, well
maybe I do know somebody's gotten hit before, okay, but
usually it's if it's a hit, it hits a car,
it hits a tree, it lands. I mean, I've had
several rocks land right at my feet and I don't

(39:27):
know how it didn't hit I think my Long Island Bigfoot.
Mike and I were talking about how rocks have been
thrown and they just kind of it's almost like a
he described it like a golf ball, like you hit
a golf ball and like it'll go land on the green.
It's just like it just stops. It doesn't really make sense.
It's like how that ball just like stop instead of rolling,
and that's what those rocks do out there sometimes, same thing.

(39:50):
It's just it doesn't make sense, right.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, that's that was so common. And that last filming
that I had over at the place we call Claim Too,
with that video that I the Porter guyst Awakens video,
that was that place has always been an active place
with that kind of activity, but that night I was there,
it was like it was a different level. And some

(40:14):
of the the I call them phantom knocks were really insane,
like some of the closest loudest ones that I just
couldn't believe. It wasn't Jack was there, you know. I
there was times where I'm like, how is this possible? Like,
you know, I've heard some knocks that are light and
you know, but something so like loud and powerful right

(40:35):
by you. It was It's like it was kind of shocking,
and you know, something was alive that night, like something
was active big time and you can hear stuff hitting
the ground what sounds like a rock ricocheting up high
tree to tree to tree in a way that doesn't
make sense. You know, that kind of stuff is pretty amazing.
It makes you wonder what's causing this sounds?

Speaker 1 (40:57):
These sounds well being a en cryptid filed structure. I
say it's Bigfoot, but you never know, you know what
I mean, like you just you don't know. And I
think there's always there, always could be some kind of
combination of things going on. It could be all of
it out there, because I think that I know, I know,
I don't know a lot, but I know that there

(41:18):
is some kind of X factors as we call it,
to Bigfoot and to dog men and to all the
other cryptids that are out there. There's something that we
can't explain. I mean, we can't explain any of it,
but there's something that we just can't put your finger on.
It's something supernatural about the cryptids in my experience, where
they could just disappear. They can cloak. There is an

(41:38):
incident with you in l I B I believe where
there is some cloaking going on in some of the trees.
Tell me about that.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Was that was really interesting. We noticed eyes. And I'm
big on using red light for various reasons, one of
which two nature. If you want to be able to
catch something that might be nearby and watching, you can,
red light makes the eye shine stand out tremendously. It's

(42:07):
also good when you're in heavily lug infested areas, you know,
to help minimize insects being drawn towards your light because
the spectrum is different and there was an entity there
bringing up the red light. This leads to another incident,
but I've just mentioned that real quick, Jack the cameraman
captured something that was transparent, that probably came up five

(42:31):
feet to him, and he turned with his red light
and I think the spectrum of the red light you
can actually I think if you had white light, you
probably wouldn't have seen it. And the red light outlined
something which right now and all the shit I've seen,
this was probably one of the things that was the
most amazing of an entity that's right there, right in

(42:55):
front of him, outlined in the red light and you
can see it and it's transparent. It's one of the
wildest things I've ever seen. And it's at a place
called Clan three that we go. But we had the
red light on when we were a long island, and
the eyes that we've seen the eyes, but I noticed
the eyes were vertical, and I'm like, okay, I'm like

(43:17):
one of the only things I know maybe an owl
could possibly turn its head. But it just seemed oddly
spaced the eyes to be an owl, like too big
of a gap or something like that. And it seemed
to like move too. When we were walking trying to
find our way around to get closer to it, you
can see it and it was moving and it seemed

(43:38):
like it was moving with us. So we're like, well,
it's definitely eyes and they're watching us. And we got
all the way round to the other side and we
were able to access and we could see it. Literally
it was like up in the tree probably I don't know,
fifty feet up maybe, and you could see the eyes
there looking at us. And we're just like, there it is.
And I even got my white light and I'm getting

(43:59):
to the true because I'm like i want to see
what this thing is because and I'm shining my light
up and like there's I can't see any there's like nothing.
And we were joking, we're like, it's like the tree
has eyes. Literally, it looked like the tree had eyes.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
And the hills have eyes. The trees have eyes.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
It was very strange, and I like, at first, I'm like, okay,
maybe it's an owl. That's what I kept thinking because
one of the only things I know that will turn
sideways is an owl. So, and it was a big
eye gap, so it wasn't small whatever it was. It
wasn't like a raccoon or you know, something that was
like looking sideways, because it was definitely not little beady eyes.
They're pretty big and you can probably see that in

(44:37):
the video. And when I had the white light and
I could, like you can see where it's at, and
anything that would be that close normally you can see it,
especially if you hit it the white light in your
rate at the tree and like there was nothing there.
It literally looked like eyes were just sitting there in
the tree. It was very strange.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Oh so, so basically it looked like maybe a bigfoot
hit excuse me, almost like a bigfoot that scared me. Sorry,
that's okay, Sorry, I forgot my dog was sitting in here. Yes,
I just I just jumped, y'all, So sorry, okay, But
but it's like a bigfoot had its head like turned sideways,

(45:17):
like peeking out from behind a tree. Is that kind
of like what.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
It looked like or whatever. Yeah, whatever was there looked
like it. Okay, well here's the thing. It never really
seemed to like go horizontal, but they were eyes, and
it looked like whatever it was was just like I mean,
if you were to compare it to normal pretty much
everything animal wise that were used to you know, your

(45:40):
eyes are horizontal, it looked like they were vertical eyes.
And from the reflection and how it moved and it
was following us, it definitely looked it was eyeshine that
was watching us, but it stayed vertical. Oh my gosh,
And that's what was I mean. It was just very strange.
And you know, if I could have seen something there,

(46:02):
I could have been able to say what it was.
But it was just just like there. And even when
you could see the eyes and look up with the lights,
there was like nothing in the tree. So it was
very strange.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Oh, kind of kind of like cloaked like I actually
one of my first experiences, which was something that was
probably a bigfoot, was the first time I ever went
on an expedition big footing back in twenty eleven. Okay,
and I was being big footbait. I volunteered to be
big foot bait and something. Okay, So the guys were

(46:34):
actually sitting down at the bottom of this hill and
they were all watching me through fleers and thermals, any
kind of night vision that they had, whatever they were holding.
And they said, that's what gave me the confidence to
walk up this hill by myself to this tree line.
And I was it was about a I must have
been one hundred yards up the hill something like that,
seventy five one hundred yards up to this tree line,

(46:56):
and it was just an open field. And I got
about halfway up that field. Knowing that those guys were
watching me gave me some, like I said, some confidence.
I was still a little scared. I'd never gone big
footing before, and I was being bait, okay, and and uh,
and I heard somebody running up behind me. I thought
it was one of those men, and I didn't know

(47:17):
I had only met one of them. I think I
only knew one of them kind of, And I didn't
know the rest of those guys. And so I was thinking, man,
why why would those guys try to scare me like this?
Like I thought they were gonna run up and like
say boo, you know, and uh, and I got. I
kind of braced for impact because I heard somebody running
fast and I used to play sports in college and
I played rugby, and I know it's like to get tackled,

(47:39):
and you know, I thought somebody's going to grab me
or tackle me or something.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
I don't stop.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, I didn't know what they were doing. I was like,
this is weird. This is messed up, dude, how unprofessional
you know of the not not that nobody's professional out there, okay,
but but as he got and I say he, because
I was like I thought it was one of them.
I got right up to me. I braced for impact,
and I felt a leg sweet like their legs sweep

(48:05):
my legs out from under me, and like they just
kept running to my left behind me, and I looked
over and there was nobody there. H But yeah, I
had like had my legs swept. I heard it. I
felt the wind like sweep past me and and it
got my legs and and I kind of lost my
balance and I thought, man, what the heck was that?
Like that was weird. And I was so nervous. I

(48:28):
just thought maybe my mind was playing tricks. On me
because I was so confused there was nothing there. The
guys told me they saw nothing in their in their thermals,
nothing in the flear nothing. But it was a very
real experience actually for me when that happened.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, that's like the first time doing that being bait
and something. Literally, let's see how well she does and
just gives you a four well charge in a sweep.
That's pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Well, if that hadn't happened, I wouldn't be here with
you talking about it today, probably seriously, because you know,
sometimes it's like you got to have something that like
just blows your mind so much. If this is like
your path that you're supposed to be on, and this
is like your your destined path in life is to
talk about Bigfoot, you know, it's like I had to

(49:17):
have some kind of crazy experience to like suck me
in right off the bat. Otherwise I would have just
gone home and I would have gone about my everyday
life and I would have not been so interested in it.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah. One of the things too, we were talking about
Hillview Manor. Hillview Manor was kind of like a reawakening
for me about you know, because the very first experience
I talked about where someone was talking to me through
my phone, but they obviously knew me because they said

(49:53):
hello to me by in my name in real time,
you know, And that that event even now here's the thing.
At the time, you know, that event was pretty amazing.
But since I've been doing this for the past few
years and having experiences, I'm coming to realize how incredibly
special that was that moment, that very first moment of

(50:13):
that event, Because you know, you hear so much with EVPs,
and you hear voices, and you hear disembodied voices, but
to actually hear like a lifetime voice speaking to you
personally in real time, you know it, it was like
pretty amazing to me, even thinking back, knowing what I
know now, even more amazing. But he'lviey manor I had

(50:35):
an incident. I had something happen that kind of like
reminded me that there is someone from beyond, maybe multiple
Maybe this was the same spirit talking to me with
the disembodied voice that spoke to me at Hilvey Manner
said my name out loud, and it sounded like they

(50:56):
were in the room with me when I heard it,
and they said, Michael, and I was. It gave me
that feeling that it took me back to that phone
call because that voice was real. It sounded like somebody
was right there in the room with me and they
said my name out loud, and it was it was

(51:16):
a woman's voice, and it sounded I'm not gonna lie.
It sounded very similar, sounded like my grandmother when I
heard it, and it was just that when I heard that,
I was again it shocked me and I was like, wow,
I'm like, how how is there this other just crazy
phenomenon that seems to be impossible happens and it's seems

(51:42):
to be talking to me directly again.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Wow. Okay, So just to show the audience tonight, what
Hillview Manor is this place? Where's this located? Is this
in Pennsylvania?

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Newcastle, Pennsylvania?

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Okay, Pennsylvania. That is a sprawling building right there. It
says that it's no it was abandoned for a while,
according to what it says on their website here, and
but He'llviey Manor was known as the Lawrence County Home
for the Aged, also known as the Poorhouse or poor Farm,
where mentally ill, severely destitute, and elderly residents resided. Now

(52:23):
that sounds like that would make for an excellent paranormal investigation,
albeit really creepy, really creepy. Now is this uh you
mentioned that it sounded like your grandmother. It does say
that there's actually this was a place for you know,
like a retired I don't say retirement community would be
like putting it nicely, it's not really it. It seems

(52:45):
like it was like a let's just say, like an
old folks home. I guess, uh.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
There there's a lot of places that were like these
manners back in that timeframe because there were a lot
of people who had nobody and they didn't have anybody
to take care of them. They didn't have any money.
You know, most places they even took like children in
who didn't have anybody, or people who just didn't have

(53:10):
any support or any money, and they would take care
of them. And I think that's where the poor poor
house or they called them poor farms. That's where like
at certain times where it wasn't like before Hellviey manor
changed into just a home for the elderly. It was
a place like that, which it seems like that was
something that was at that time the era. It was

(53:33):
a change across it seemed like across many places where
they did that. And there's a lot of accounts at
these places, you know, like of people who you know,
they get some people who are pretty bad in some
of these places, and people who were in just bad shape,
and you know, there's a lot of unfortunate incidents that
have occurred there. So there's a lot of trauma in

(53:54):
these places from you know, some of them go back
to like the early nineteen hundreds even in some of them,
and you know, and and then they change, they've changed
into like these care facilities, and then you've had hospice
and you know, care in most of these places. And
Healthy Manor was interesting, and that was a place where

(54:15):
I think this was I hope I'm not mixing it
up with the one here in Stark County, but I'm
pretty sure that place, the family that owned it, that
they got in big trouble there because they were hiding
some of the deceased. They were hiding that they died,
and they.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Had a bunch of kids there too. Actually the inmates.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah, they they were disguising if they were disguising their deaths,
and they were mass bearing them on the grounds and
they weren't reporting that they passed away, and they were
collecting their social security and they were collecting their pensions
and things. And then the the owners got into deep trouble.
They end up, I think they got they end up

(55:02):
getting relieved eventually of their title there. So you've got, like,
you know, you've got what seemed like some pretty devious
people who were running it. And the second floor there
is actually the level of the I'm trying to think
what they call the person who runs it, the main
who's in charge. It was like a man and his wife.

(55:24):
They're the ones that got in big trouble over what happened.
But that was like their floor for the most part,
the second floor, and that's an active level in that place,
because they say that they weren't very good people, you
could say, and there's a lot of like they were
pretty mean that they called them inmates, they treated them
pretty rough, and even their negative energy is supposed to

(55:45):
be on that second floor where they live.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
That gosh, that is just heartbreaking. It's really heartbreaking. And
I'm noticing that it says that they opened the doors
in nineteen twenty six, so this is during the Great
depression and uh and so you know, I've done a
lot of shows too. On not a lot of show,
we've talked about a good bit some of these old

(56:09):
world buildings and stuff and being repurposed as and I'm
talking about like castles and stuff. I'm not saying this
was a castle, but being repurposed into insane asylums. And
you know, facilities like this uh out there, and and
there was such an uptick and like insane asylums back
in the depression days. And you know, we're making these

(56:29):
connections to like the mud flood if there is a
mud flood, okay, but like mud floods and the great
resets and human resets and all that. And I hate
to say re education camps and stuff, but uh, but
places where like this, there's, like you said, there's a
lot of trauma. You know, this may even have something
to do maybe with some of the orphan trains and

(56:51):
the kids that were orphaned as well having to live there.
And uh, what what a horrible, horrible place to have
to go and to have to deal with such sadists
and stuff like that. Would be in charge of places
like that sometimes.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
It says they're perry and Mary Snyder. That's who That's
what I was talking about. They ran the facility when
it opened until nineteen forty four, and they were asked
to resign due to possible mismanagement. And they're the ones
that called them inmates. Those are the two that I
was referring to that ended up having to resign over
those issues, and that involved the lying about the deaths

(57:29):
of some of the the people and collecting their money.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
That's really sad, man, that's really sad. But unfortunately, yeah,
there's greed is a terrible thing and it's really it's
really tragic. But they so they it seems like this
place was abandoned for a while. I've also made a
connection to like abandoned buildings and encryptids as well. Okay
not just ghosts, but like cryptids. And I just did

(57:57):
a show this past week on was that the the
dream of mall World. It's called mall World, and where
all these people are having this collective dream about being
in abandoned malls. Basically you're like liminal spaces like where
it's it's open, but there's no people in there. And
so all these like thousands of people are reporting having
these dreams right now of being in abandoned buildings and

(58:20):
abandoned malls, and there are like labyrinths and they're just amazing.
You can't get out of it.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I mean I just recently like that, Oh did you Yeah,
Oh my gosh, I'd say it's not in common either
for me.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Really, it's kind of the same for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
I was shocked.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
I couldn't believe the amount of people who commented. Thank
you for everybody who commented under that video. By the way,
it does help with the algorithm. But I do love
hearing what you guys have to say, uh, because so
many people have had those same dreams.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
It's like like things get smaller, corridors get smaller and smaller,
and then you you like find yourself trying to get
through places you can't fit through, and then you end
up like and you know that's what seems like those
places turn into in mind anyways, and then you end
up waking up freaking out like hate those.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Yeah, they were actually through some of the stories like
on Reddit and stuff. You know, they've got like a
whole reddit, a subreddit for this. Okay, it's called mall
Mall What mall world is? What it's called but it's
like people are writing on escalators that just do circles
and they go nowhere. Yeah, it's just weird. It's weird stuff.
But I mean our dream I mean dreams could just

(59:32):
a dream, could just be a dream. But at what
point do we start questioning, well, like why are all
these people having the same dreams and like being able
to map out these malls and like people are remembering
the same things we're in their dreams that other people
are having in their dreams.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
So, I don't know, weird, like the consciousness comes from
a base, you know. Yeah, I can't think of what
that's called. What they refer to that, but refer to
like genius ideas and things that people get. Epiphanies are
like travel bits of information that we're all connected to

(01:00:09):
that travel to us, that comes to us from time
to time. So maybe there's things that have come to
all of us that are the same.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Yes, well, of course I had to. I'm always I
kind of played Devil's Advocate a little bit too, because
I was like, well, you know, we've got all this
technology and I was gonna ask you about that too,
like where does all the you know, I know, you
use some technology when you're doing your investigations, like your
K two meters and you're probably got rim pods and
recorders and all that. You know, as far as like

(01:00:39):
the dream state goes. You know, we've got all this
frequency going on, like frequency weapons and Wi Fi and
five G and all that kind of stuff. You know,
we've got all these sonic infrasound, ultrasound. I don't know
to just say weapons, but some kind of technology around us,
And I wonder, I wonder personally, like where how does

(01:01:02):
that affect like what's going on out there with us
as far as like doing the cryptid field research or
even the paranormal field research, is like some of this
could be technology based. I think, what do you think
about that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Well, sometimes you might have thoughts like that, like I know,
if rampod like random rampod interactions show that there's some
kind of like signal or something that's physical that you
can't see that's interacting with the field it creates, so

(01:01:36):
you know, they say that's like somehow can be it
could be happening because of like an encounter with energy
or spirits or you know, walkie talkies can do it.
You know that was something early on I've learned so
I always watch when I use my walkie talkie, you know,

(01:01:58):
so there's there's things that you can't really see that
could be natural that do this kind of stuff too,
like walkie talkies or one I had. You know, you
were talking about portals. The cameraman and I had an encounter,
and lucky enough, it was captured on thermal of what
we were calling it a portal because of its behavior

(01:02:20):
and because it had a very strange hot temperature, like
over a thousand degrees so, and it was it was
like and when you see it, you can almost see
something that looks like it's connected to it, that moves,
so it almost looks like some it almost looks like

(01:02:41):
there could be either something coming out of it or
something leading to it. And I always wondered, like, could
there be something that's naturally causing some kind of a
I mean, it's it seems so far fetched because even
at the point where his thermal picked up this object,
which looked like a little point, it was black heat white,
you know, white and black mix, and the thermal black

(01:03:03):
was heat. The little black spot that started like two
three hundred degrees and then you can just see it
expand and it goes like this, and as soon as
it starts to expand, automatically it goes to the max
temperature rating. It goes like, you know, two three hundred
five hundred, and then it goes to max which is
over a thousand degrees, and then it's just and then

(01:03:24):
it stays. It goes like to a certain size, and
then it comes back to that small point again and
goes back to like the two three hundred degrees. And
he's watching this. It was a weird night. A lot
of weird stuff was going on. I had my feet actually,
I was taking my boots off and I was getting
in a little stream to try to cleanse because I
was getting a little freaked out. And at that time
he was he captured that like twenty or thirty feet

(01:03:47):
looked like above me, and he starts like going, you know,
kind of freaking out because this is pretty insane what
he's looking at. But he's got that on his thermal,
and we put that in both of our videos to
show that because that but one I saw this reflection
of something I wondered, I'm like, is that coming from somewhere?
And then I started wondering. I'm like, what could there
be military wise, or what could there be even civilian wise?

(01:04:10):
Somehow like something that's projecting and there's a beam that's
caught and you can actually see it all the way
out here where we're at. We're over in Cuyahoga Forest
near Akron, and you can see that, and it literally
looked like it's It's like what it was doing made
us think of a portal because of it going expanding

(01:04:30):
and contracting. It did it several times like that, and
and that made me wonder too about you know, could
this be natural? But it seems so strange it was
hard to think of. Like you know, in military, I
know how it goes like you know what they're there
there the radioactive the radio waves, the potential for that

(01:04:52):
are very armful because like you know, I've been to
Iraq a couple of times, and I know on the
fobs early on when I was there two thousand and three,
on one of the bases we built, there was a
calm section and they had some antennas and the signals
were strong enough that there had to be a radius

(01:05:14):
marked to not enter because it's technically it could be lethal,
you know, from the projected X waves and stuff that
come from it. So I know there's things that could
possibly cause some problems for us, you know, when we're out,
but when you're just out in the park and things
like that, it seems hard to imagine that somehow you're

(01:05:34):
catching something from you know, something natural that would be
that strong. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to imagine that you'd
be out investigating, just out in the forest and somehow
you'd run into some kind of military waves from something
that's on a base around the corner or something.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
It's not unusual though. Okay, so wow, this is really
cool that you're bringing this up because last weekend we
could go tonight, I got two of us out in
the field. We had a good crowd with it's probably
had about ten people out there on this field investigation,
and two of us got hit with some infrasound. The
only thing we can describe it'd be infrasound. And I

(01:06:17):
think we're getting too close to something. And when you're
talking about the military stuff, okay, like the way I
look at it. I talked about that on my show
on Monday came. I brought my good friend Barry on.
We talked about infrasound, the different types of infrasound when
it comes to like cryptid infrasound and the military infrasound,
and I know, I know from experience, there are I

(01:06:40):
don't want to say military people, but people contracted in
some way I believe, whether it be government or some
kind of secret agency, I don't know, but they keep
eye on they keep an eye on some of the
cryptids out there. There's no doubt. I've had whistleblowers that
have come out. People that I know personally have talked
to me about that and what we've deduced. And I've

(01:07:02):
had some conversations with some people about this is like, well,
if it wasn't a big foot that hit us with
that infrasound that made us both sick on Saturday night,
it was someone out there potentially you know, this is
a heavily heavily seen dog men encounter area there, Okay,
And there are potentially programs with like dog men and

(01:07:24):
cryptids and people that keep an eye on them and
do control them through infrasound. That's what I've been told.
And so did I get hit with some kind of
like handheld MEDUSA technology out there? Possibly? Okay? It could
have been that, it could have been a big foot.
You know, we just don't know what's going on, We
really don't, but we can only kind of put it

(01:07:45):
out there and have a conversation about it, just just
to bring the awareness out there to other fielding investigators,
even like yourself, you know, and you've got some military
experience under your belt, and I wanted to also address
the portal as well. Uh, my team up been we
were up in North Georgia in the mountains, and we

(01:08:05):
were sitting at base camp and we were just we
were at one of our more active spots where and
by active, I mean crypted and fested basically. And and
we were sitting out there one night and we actually
had a portal we considered to be a portal opened
just like that in our camp right behind our tents
and and and it was actually something that it was

(01:08:26):
more like a red like a pattern, like a red
grid type pattern, but it was suspitted in the air
and it and it had an aperture to it, like
the aperture opened up just like how you're describing, and
two beings started crawling out of it really and one
of them actually got spit out of it. And the
other one got sucked back in well when it closed.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Not a to freak me out even more. But that
same night when we captured that, one of the things
that led up to me cleansing in the the little
stream and then led us to seeing that he had
his thermo out prior to that, and he saw it
and he captured it on his video that thermal thinks

(01:09:12):
in his video not in mine. But there was something
that looked like a hot signature. That the way to
describe it, it looks like it fell off of me
and it looked like it literally like somehow kind of
like was there either by me or on me to
freak me out even more, But it like he saw

(01:09:34):
something and it looked like that heat signature, like something
fell off of me that didn't make sense, and then
was gone. And then he started telling me about that,
and then we had a lot of other things and
then the portal, So you know, maybe that was something
else and it was a hot signature too. Strange And
if you want to see that portal, I could show

(01:09:54):
you that that clip from my video of that if
you're curious to what it looks like. I don't want
to blog up your I want to bog up with
my clips of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
I want to see it. So do you want to
show it now or should we just put a link
in there for the later. Let's watch it now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Yeah, because all these things, all these things I'm talking about,
like all these you know, are from videos and I
usually make clips of them for stuff like this to
show people on the on the spot.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Oh my god, this is a treat.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
I just got to dig it up here real quick.
It's not too far.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
No, this is this is a treat. And thank you
for your service. You're in the military, I see.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Yeah. I was in the Marine Corps Reserve for a
six year an eight year total contract from from nineteen
ninety seven to two thousand and five, and then I
went into the National Guard in two thousand and six
and I got out in twenty fourteen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
That's awesome. Thank you so much for your service. We
love our military vents over here at the crypt hundred channel.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
All right, let me get this right here for you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Oh my gosh, you know, of course. So wait were
you in Are you in Ohio?

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Yeah? This was Summit County. This is rate on the akron.
This is an akron. It's Cuyahoga Forest. Okay, let me see,
are you okay?

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
You've got it up there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
This is where he started recording it. And as you
can see, if you're not familiar, I don't know. You
probably know thermals, but anybody doesn't know. You've got three
points which are all turned on. You've got two active
seeking points. One looks for the coldest spot and one
looks for the hottest spot. That's this green is looking
for the coldest spot on the screen, and then the
red looks for the hottest spot. And then this is

(01:11:42):
just a center cross here which shows the temperature rate
where that dot is. So right at this point it's
finding you know, like a little over one degree at
the coldest spot in this gap at the sky, and
then over because I looked up the specs on this
thermal over goes over, it's like nine hundred sixty some
degrees is what it's set out for its max. So
if it goes over, it's going over that temperature that's hot.

(01:12:06):
So you you would imagine that it is pretty close
to a thousand degrees if once it goes over nine
hundred and sixty So, but how hot it actually got
we don't know, but here, I'll play this so you
can see the whole thing. Here.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
It goes okay, let it starts right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
There's as Jack pointing at it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Now what I was talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
You see this here, there's like this little dum yes, sure.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Yeah, this is what I was talking about where I thought,
if this is some kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Projective courses from it, we'll see it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Here. It starts here, okay, and you can see it
almost looks like it's coming out. My guess is, if
it's coming out, then this is actually manifested by itself
up here. Unless this is whatever this is going to it,
then it's like projecting it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:27):
It's leading to see you we're here.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Yes, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
I wondered if I feel like Jack got pretty sick

(01:14:17):
after this night. I was a little bit under the
weather too.

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
Something.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Wow, So you you said that you and Jack both
got sick.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Jack was pretty sick after this Interesting. I was like,
I was a little bit under the weather, but I
didn't notice that. I didn't. I wasn't feeling that great
after that night. But he actually, if I remember it,
he went to like his doctor went to the hospital
because he was he was pretty sick.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Oh, my gosh. Well, you know, something that we deal
with when it comes to these portals and paranormal cryptids,
Everything that we're dealing with out there pretty much has
a little dose of radiation to it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
And uh, and I was actually really concerned about last
weekend because the way my friend Harley and I both
got very sicke at two different times, but very close
to each other, within like thirty minutes of each other.
We both got zapped. That's what we call zapped.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
And now was that was that man made technology or
was that cryptid you know zapping? We don't know for sure,
but however, it was almost like it could have been
like radiation poisoning.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
For all we know, electromagnetic energy messes with your brain
waves too, so you know, that's why, like once they
realized that, that's when they started insulating wiring, because early
wiring was just like knob and tube, you know, it
was just whyired on a spool through the house and
open wire with no insulation. And then they realized that

(01:16:04):
magnetic you know, electromagnetic energy affects your brain waves and
caused people to have health problems. Oh yeah, they had
to start insulating wiring.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Oh, Yeah, we actually so those I had mentioned the
portal earlier, like that one portal that one of my
team has documented. Both of those gentlemen that were guided
over to check that out have have died.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
And and we've always had our suspicions that it was
they both got sick because of that, or maybe it
had something to do with it. Even Bob, one of
the gentlemen who just he just passed away last year,
he was one that went in there. He had his
suspicions that it had something to do with that, with
that incident out there, and you know, we carry our
Geiger counters, our Geiger meters out there, and pretty much

(01:16:51):
anytime something paranormal occurs, there's a spike of radiation. It
might just be tiny, but there's still a spike of radiation.
And you know, those are not the only two gentlemen
that have had health problems after this. Like, we've actually
had to meet as a team at times too to
make a real serious decision as to whether we want
to continue out in the field doing our research because

(01:17:14):
of the dangers of this radiation we're getting out there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Yeah, that that's a scary, scary side of of you know,
what could possibly happen. I there was a time recently,
well it was probably not too recent, as about a
year ago. I had my trimeter, which measures electric and
magnetic energy. I usually keep that on. I found it's

(01:17:39):
it's a pretty good tool for communication, just for some
way of intelligent like yes and no things if you
have nothing else. But I was I was using it
and I I saw a spike and I was filming.
It was in one of the daytime investigations, a place
called the Pines, and I saw I heard the beating

(01:18:02):
a spike started and I caught it with the camera
just as I had it out in front and it
it went up to over five thousand milligoths and it
it died. It did, Yeah, I saw it. I saw it.
I saw it go over five thousand, which was I

(01:18:23):
was like, I how did. I'm like something had to
be wrong, you know, I'm like, there's no way. And
then I double checked it like Freeze framed it in
the video and you can see it where it did
capture it. Because I was being a little lazy with
the hand. I didn't have it like perfectly flat. I
had it laying out in front of me because I
was using it just to listen for the responses. I

(01:18:45):
wasn't really reading the meter, and then I heard it,
and then as I tilted it, I saw it with
my eyes and I did capture with the camera like
I froze frame, you know, I hit pause and I
looked for it and you could see it. It goes over
five thousand thing millagos right before it shut off.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Geez, that's wild. It kind of makes you wonder, like
did something just like pop out of a portal or something.
I mean, it sounds it sounds wild, but you know,
speaking of portals too, is right right where Harley, my friend,
had gotten had gotten zapped, as we're gonna call it.
He had like some infrasound. I did not know he

(01:19:24):
had been zapped until I walked up to the top field,
because he got zapped in the bottom of the first
field we came to. And then about ten fifteen minutes
after he got zapped, my friend Keith, and I walked
up to the top field where he was and then
I got zapped at that field. But where Harley had
been zapped, my buddy Keith and I had walked up
to that field and he was looking through his thermal

(01:19:48):
and we I saw it too. Two heat signatures, which
is hot hot heat signatures on two trees. Wow, two
trees and that was around almost the exact location where
Harley had been zapped. Now a phenomenon that I have covered.
I've had plenty of people that have come on my

(01:20:08):
shows to say that, like, you know, trees might be portals.
Trees could be used as portals. And I've taken some
deep dives into that. And as a matter of fact,
I have one of my teammates, Tony, he has a
story about his uncle running from the cops and running
behind a tree out of his back door, and then
on the other side of the tree a dog ran

(01:20:29):
out like a wolf. And then and then when that dog,
when the cops left, the dog trotted out of the woods,
went behind that tree, and his uncle came out the
other side again.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Okay, now that's weird. Okay, that's weird. But that's that's
one possible use of a tree as a portal.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Maybe while you're on that about the trees, there was
actually that's pretty pretty coincidental, because you know, I've had
some friends, some reliable friends that have been doing research
and I've heard stories and I've heard more than one
have encounters with what they claim in physical that they
seen was a sasquatch that came from a tree and

(01:21:11):
was like personal like within, you know, an arms link
to the tree come out. And I've heard this from
multiple people. And I actually wondered, if you know, just
well there's there's it goes really deep with I think
about the energy and everything. So I actually just did
a little calculation because I I was like, what kind

(01:21:33):
of energy, what kind of potential energy you're talking about
with trees, right? And I was wondering, and I took
a look, and you can figure a formula to take
evolts to volts calculation, and you can figure out evolts
based on just an average size, like say I did
an average sized oak tree that was like two thousand

(01:21:53):
pounds like one hundred foot, and the evolts that are
potential the potentially vaults stored in just the carbon atoms
and a tree equal like sixteen thousand vaults equivalent of
potential stored energy just in carbon atoms in a tree. Wow.
And you think about like photosynthesis and the rest of

(01:22:14):
the composition of the tree and everything else in nature,
plants and it's like it's like a potential of energy
that's like infinite.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
Well, there you go, folks that you know, that makes
all the sense right there. It makes so much sense
because there's something there's something about the trees. Okay, you
have done the calculations, you did the math, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Just a little little dath.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Yeah, well I love this more than I've done. I've
just looked at it and been like, what in the
world is going on here? But yeah, I mean we
had two very very hot heat signatures on two trees
that were right beside each other up there, right where
Harley had been zapped, And so our conclusion was what
we had to douce from all this was like, well
maybe these and we didn't think about it at the time,

(01:23:03):
but now we've been thinking about it because I got
his app too, and we're like, well, maybe maybe something
had used those trees as portals and or had you know,
gone into those trees or however it works. We don't know,
but but maybe those trees have been used as portals
because the way that the heat signature was sitting on
those trees, it was like in the middle of the trees.
It wasn't at the top. It was almost like maybe,

(01:23:25):
I mean, could something have been leaned against it? Yeah,
okay maybe, but it was so hot it wouldn't have
made a lot of sense, you know what I mean.
And it was in the middle of the night, so
none of the other trees had heat on them, none
of them. It's just those two.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Well, that's that's been a pretty consistent thing too. We've
noticed sometimes I think we've caught maybe a trail that
ended at a tree and it seemed like when you
see when you catch eye shine. The times you might
see eyeshine, that's not what you would that you appears
to be something natural, you know, not a deer, but

(01:24:05):
some kind of like tall eyes shine. It always seems
like they're behind trees, or are they with the tree somehow,
or you know, those thoughts crossed my mind because I've
captured a couple of thermal images where something looks like
one time I actually saw it on a thermal but
couldn't see it with my eyes. There was something that
was a heat signature and it was like at a

(01:24:27):
tree and it looked like it was kind of like
moving looking it was doing like this at me, and
I was I thought it was pretty funny because I
was kind of like, what the hell is that? Like,
it was there, and it definitely it was hot, but
I had my light right on the tree where I
was and there was nothing there. So the trees, you know,

(01:24:48):
seem to be like, you know, something there's there. Definitely
seems to be something to trees. And the phantom knocks
they always seem to come from trees to me, that's
what always sounds like to me. They sound like there're
some worm of what would be a sound that would
be made from an impact of the tree of some kind.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
M Oh yeah, Well, there's so many interesting noises out there,
especially when bigfoots are around, and yeah, it could be
coming from the trees. Listen. There are plenty of people
that believe there are fairies out there too, and fay
and gnomes and all sorts of stuff. But of course
I try to stick to the bigfoots, but you know,

(01:25:26):
I have to keep an open mind. It could be
anything out there. And the trees. We always have to
pay attention to the trees we do, whether it's looking
up to make sure there are no dog men about
to pounce on us, to just looking at the the
whole idea of them being portals. I think that that's
very important. I think more people are talking about it

(01:25:48):
today and and I think that we experienced that last weekend.
So I don't know. I tend to think that those
wood knocks are actually the bigfoots clicking their tongues. That's
what I think.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
It's it sounds maybe you know, maybe it's like if
if that is what it is, it it maybe it's
almost meant to like have a camouflage effect of it
being what sounds like something in nature, right, like, yeah,
a tree, a tree getting hit by something almost like

(01:26:25):
maybe it's it helps keep it hidden from where it's
coming from by saying, you know, it sounds like it
could be you know, like you're like something hit that tree.
You know, you're like something hit that tree, And it's
meant to sound like that because it kind of throws
you off thinking that it's something from by the tree
and it's not you know, a sasquatch or cryptid making

(01:26:45):
that sound.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
The sasquatch sleight of hand.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
A lot of magicians. Staff, Yeah, have you ever heard
of the staff?

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
The staff?

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Yeah, there's sobody, William. I don't know if you know
who William from Maryland squatch Watcher.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Squatch Watcher, I don't know actually.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Maryland squatch Watcher's name is William. I I heard him
talking about this staff before and I had I had
watched a dark figure run out from behind a big mound.
I was watching the cameraman. I was it was a
day I couldn't make it out to one of the

(01:27:28):
hunts and uh I was watching him and Trapper on
a live stream and I saw something dark run real
quick step like from behind a mound where they were
at and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
A like a like an Indian burial mound kind of mount.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Well, I don't know if it was. It was like
it wasn't like a like that big of a mound.
It could have been like maybe just dirt or something
that had you know, grown grass had grown over it
turned into like a mound, but it was like tall
enough that you could kind of not see a person
behind it. And I saw it dark, real dark, but

(01:28:01):
I seen it quick stepping real fast from behind it.
They didn't see it. I was freaking out in the
chat because I'd seen it. And then I watched this
for a long time. I've watched this. I'm like, I'm watching,
I'm like, where was this at? Like you can see it?
And then I went to where it first appeared, and

(01:28:22):
I'm watching it and I'm watching it and I'm watching
it and I just see this what looks like this
stick that's kind of weird out of place, which started
I started noticing this more and more. I'm like, well,
that's weird. What is that. I'm like, it doesn't look
like it's part of that tree, but it does. And
then it looks literally looks like somehow that object that
looks like a stick all of a sudden like changes,

(01:28:46):
and then this thing starts moving and I'm just scratching
my head, like what am I seeing here? And then
I happened to watch a podcast with William from Maryland
squash Watcher, because the guy who's doing a podcast I
knew him, and I was just watching and he started
talking about the staff and he started saying, like, you know,

(01:29:06):
this is stuff I never heard before, Like the Sasquatch
used this that it's actually called like their language, and
they used this for communication, they used this for travel,
like multi dimensional travel. He was talking about some of
this stuff, and then I saw a photo that he
showed of basically like, this is what it would look like.
And I am not even joking. I saw this thing

(01:29:28):
and it was exactly like this weird shape stick that
I saw that looked like this, that looked like this
dark figure that just come like quick stepping away that
seemed to just like somehow be connected to what looked
like the stick. This stick looked exactly like this thing
he called a staff, and I was like, you've got
to be kidding me.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
I'm like, staff, like a.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Yeah, it kind of looks like like a like a
branch or stick, but it had a unique shape in gosh,
and I literally was like I was. It just blew
my mind because when I saw him, I saw his
picture of it, and then I you know, because I
spent so much time looking at this video of this
thing walking away because I wanted to see where it
came from, if I could see it better, and all

(01:30:15):
I kept coming to was like this weird stick things there,
then it does something weird, and then this thing walks away.
And then I saw his diagram of this thing he
called the staff, and he started explaining it, and when
I saw the picture of it, I remembered that I'm
like that looks exactly like that weird stick thing that
looked like this thing walked away from and I was

(01:30:35):
really baffled. I actually had him on and I started
talking to him about it, and I showed those clips
on a live stream with him and I was like,
look at this. I'm like, doesn't that look like what
you you know, the staff you're talking about? And he
said that it was and that was just some weird stuff.
You know, some more things that I kind of picked
up from other people who have been doing research with
cryptids and things.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
Well, can I tell you something, I've got a dot
to connect there because that is that is super cool.
You said that because you know there is a cemetery
in Ohio. It's around Akron, I believe. I think we
kind of talked about a little before we went live today, okay,
and you and I were talking about this and I

(01:31:17):
was asking if you had heard of the grave digging
dog men out of Ohio and my sweet friend on
Facebook I met Calleing through Facebook. But Colleen Norris, she
came on the show and she's amazing. She's a bigfoot
and dog man researcher and investigator out of Ohio not
too far from where you live, I think, and she owns.

(01:31:39):
This video is actually a video of her her daughter's
two friends, her daughter's friend, who were on their supper
break at a Mexican restaurant. She said, And they had
gone and taken a break. I don't know. When I
was in high school, I used to go cruise around
to just like these girls were doing. But they cruised
into a cemetery and and they happened. One of the

(01:32:01):
girls had her cell phone videoing what they thought was
an old, dirty woman digging a hole in the ground
in the cemetery. That she kept saying, is that a
dirty lady? Like a dirty lady? And she was. She
was just digging around. Let me see, I may have
one picture. I don't know. It's not a very good
picture here, but I'll try to pull this up. I

(01:32:24):
had a bunch of pictures. I couldn't get them to
come up before the show today, so so let me
just take some. I'll show some screenshots. Here. Here's one
and and this is clearly a dark black, all black
body of something here and and in the video you
can actually see this thing with its arms up in

(01:32:46):
the air and it is frantically digging a hole in
the ground, frantically digging a hole, and these arms are long,
and it is just absolutely weird. Okay, but it's digging
into the cemetery where the creamanes are buried of people.
And there's actually not a bot, not a the wouldn't

(01:33:09):
be a body, but there was not an urn there
with any creamines in it. Because Colleen's friend is buried
right there. That's actually her friends who passed away. It's
his wife's spot and she's still alive. So but Colleen
went and checked this out the next day after this happened.
These girls told told they knew that Colleen was a
bigfoot investigator and stuff, and showed her the video. She

(01:33:30):
went out there and she investigated it, and there's actually
a picture she sent me all these pictures we showed
on the show of the hole that was there, and
she measured the hole where there was no cremines there,
there was nothing there, but this thing was frantically digging
like it was. It was Some people were like, well,
it's trying to get a bone or you know, it
looked clearly like a dog man had ears on top

(01:33:51):
of its head and everything, the arms the way when
she measured it. You could see it was sitting on
its knees, leaned over, digging, and she measured the hole.
The arms would have been way longer than human arms
to have dug that far, and these girls got a
video of it. For a while. It never stopped digging
the whole time they were there. They ended up driving
off and they were confused about it. But on Monday

(01:34:16):
the hole was there until Monday morning. She went back
and the cemetery staff had actually covered it up and
put flowers on top of it, with a mound like
someone had been buried there. And when she confronted them
about it, she said, you know what happened out there,
and they said, oh, well, some animals dug a hole.
Those animals, it happens all the time. So it makes

(01:34:39):
you wonder because she's taken so many dogman reports out
of that area, a lot, a lot of dog man sightings.
And if the cemetery staff was so nonchalant about that
and just covered it back up with a mound with
like a row of you know, fake flowers on top
like somebody had just been buried, that says a lot
in my book. Right there, it's like, oh, businesses usual,

(01:35:00):
it's another Monday morning with more holes dug out here.
But okay, so circling back around to the staff, Okay,
what was that thing digging for?

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
I've had multiple friends of mine, investigators, experiencers, researchers, have
been on the show. My friend Eric Testmon was on
the show with me and he was like, well, you know,
he he's a marine vet as well, and he spent
a lot of time overseas combat, you know, just being
overseas deployed. And he I don't know what all he

(01:35:33):
did over there, but he has a lot of knowledge
on stargates and portals and all that kind of stuff.
And and he was talking about portal keys and you know,
I know this is kind of getting into history here
a little bit and just art seeing pictures of like
the Andrew Knaki holding the purse. Do you know what
I'm talking about? Yeah, And it's like, what is that? Well,

(01:35:55):
some people say that like you have to have some
sort of an odd that will change your frequency to
enable you to be able to go through these portals
safely without dying. Okay, it's got something to do with
lifting your frequency or lowering it or I don't know,

(01:36:16):
but maybe just maybe he had mentioned, well maybe that
dog man was digging for a portal key, is what
he said. Now, I don't know, just to bring this
all into perspective, you know what I mean, it's like,
well that staff might have been like a portal key
of some sort.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
That kind of sounds about what from some of the
description that William told me about it. He said they
used it for travel, like interdimensional like travel, and he
said that it's like their language. So somehow it's like
on a level of actual communication that might be nonverbal,

(01:36:55):
you could say that it's you know, it was like
a whole lot of like new information things I've never heard.
But it was compelling, like it changed my you know,
it brought something I should say, it just brought something
to the table or the equation that I had no
idea about. But when he started talking about it and

(01:37:18):
described it, that moment when I seen that what looks
like the same shape of this, you know, just I
was like knew that there must there seems to be
that this matches up with what I just witnessed in
the video. Wow, something like that, like the same object
that a strange really dark shadow thing just like quickly

(01:37:44):
moved away. Like it was like, I don't know if
you could say, it almost looked like it was just there.
And then for some reason, because they were in close proximity,
it just decided to move away, and you know, it
just literally appeared out of the darkness. And some how
this weird shape of this stick thing was where it
originated from and then it changed.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
Whoa man, I mean, I just love getting this more
information to like kind of like I said, connecting the dots, man,
I love connecting the dots with all this and just
getting more experiences and more information. And it's kind of like,
but you know, I don't know exactly what to do
with it other than like, you know, pack it, you know,

(01:38:28):
just put it out there, you know what I mean,
package that away and kind of like, well we can
you know, all this information. It's going to come together
more cohesively one day, right, But for now, it's like
we're all having these different experiences and we're having but
they're kind of the same. It's like different cryptids, ghost hunting,
dog man investigating, you know, bigfoot researching all this stuff.

(01:38:49):
There's like some common threads here, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
Yeah, and I've I've found that I've always been. You know,
when I first started doing this, I was doing it
out in the forest and I was at looking for
remains of a witch pressing site, a west branch off
of an urban legend. That's when I started like getting
EVPs that just seemed to, you know, come out of nowhere,

(01:39:16):
just out in the forest investigating these like remains or
sites like an old burial ground in an old area
that looks like it was a pressing site where this
witch was pressed at.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
What what does witch press mean? Is that like smoosh
to death.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
I think it originated in France. It's it was a
form of like of course, you know French, you know,
they seem to have like some of the oldest, craziest
forms of like torst from Yeah, execution, it's a it's
an execution basically. But what they did was women who
were accused of witchcraft. It was a way that they

(01:39:54):
say would press the press the evil out of them,
and they would they would basically sprawl them and subdue
them so that they couldn't move their arms or legs,
and then they would place boards or a big board
on them, and then they just kept stacking stones more
and more and more and more until they were just
covered with the pile of stones that just you know,

(01:40:14):
they just died from the exphyciation, you know, from being crushed.
And that was basically where they said that they left
them there. They never buried them, They just left them
at the site of where they were pressed at. So
they were like piles of stones that were called pressing
like that was how you'd find a pressing site was,
or an area would be from the pile of stones

(01:40:36):
where they were pressed at. So there was an area
kind of like that in West Branch where people thought
that's what it was. I don't think that's what it was.
I think it was an old foundation section or something
that looked like the size of a person.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
But that's where I was at, and this stuff, you know,
these things started happening. Voices, EVPs. I heard something that
sounded like some kind of a voice and it projected weird,
like it had a weird pitch to it, but it
sounded like a vocal. All that led up to that
sighting I told you about where I seen something there

(01:41:14):
that was moving. It was definitely moving on two legs
by pedal, but it wasn't like staggering or slotching. I
mean it was moving. It was running fast, and I
seen it for trees and it was that was where
things changed for me from what I was expecting. You know.
I was expecting, like I'm going to be, you know,
trying to get these voice phenomenons to happen that I

(01:41:36):
knew happened. And then I see something run behind this
tree like fifty yards out straight ahead, and then I
was like I had a moment where I was I
was froze when I saw that. I froze up because
I'm like, I just seen something that was real. That

(01:41:56):
was big. It was very big. I mean I'm trying
to place a height and probably feet, if not bigger,
moving on two legs. It was shiny. It looked like
it had some kind of scales or something. It didn't carry.
It was shiny. Yeah, it was very very shiny, and
it looked like it had like some kind of armor
or weird I don't know. And its head was its

(01:42:17):
head had like these weird like there was a lot
of it looked like tendrils or something strange around its head.
Like I managed to see that in like the maybe
half of its body as it cleared as it was
moving behind this tree, and I froze up because I
just seen something that was very real that wasn't like fantasmal,
and it's very close to me, and I just seen

(01:42:39):
it run that way. Now I'm like, where's this thing going?
Where's it going right now? Is it going to be
coming up here? You know? Like all this hit me
and I just like did a deer in headlights and
I didn't know what to do. And then I finally
just came came to and I just was like, well,
let's just see what happens, because I don't know what's
going to happen, you know. I'd say that was one

(01:43:01):
of the times I was scared, was that when I
seen that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
Yeah, it sounds almost like something from uh like Alien
versus Predator or something right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
Like I had like, that's literally it seems so weird,
but it literally, I like, it appeared to be very
similar to the Predator and its features.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
Well, wait, is this the same site where you had
the the actual Predator shimmer Man thing too? The one
with the red light is different?

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
Okay, yeah, it's different. This is like this was when
I was just before I started working with the cameraman,
like in my first like month that I was started
filming for my channel on my own. This is that
that incident. It's what made me reach out to the
cameraman because I knew, you know, he was working with
cryptids and he did like research like that. So I

(01:43:50):
reached out to him and told him about it because
he was working in the same area where I was.
And then I learned a lot of the things he
had seen. I saw a lot of thermos of things
that he's seen there, and I knew right then that
what I'd seen was something that he had captured before.
And I mean, like, I could literally show you crap
all day. I could show you these thermal images of

(01:44:13):
the strangest beings in West Branch, like a weird super
hot head looking like you know, it looks like a
bipedal thing, extremely round and very hot head. And then
weird thermals of those changing shapes the weird like head

(01:44:36):
things seemed to be disconnected and would go up into
the air.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
What.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
Yeah, some some strange things in West Branch and Ravenna.
Actually they've been they've been analyzing it and studying the
vegetation and things because there was a a professor. He
puts on seminars and things here. He's a teacher and
a professor. He works for the Historical Society here in
Portage County and they've been in intrigued by West Branch.

(01:45:01):
Sometime during their research of studying it, the vegetation and soil,
they revealed something that they couldn't believe. And this is
one of the things he talks about in the seminars
that they truly believe, based on the evidence of the
soil and the vegetation and everything, that West Branch never
froze over during the ice age. And this was what

(01:45:24):
baffled them and why they studied West Branch so much
is because of that. And when you know it, this
is where I had my sighting, where like the cameraman
started and had his weird encounters, and you know, this
is like this is where it started for me. Was
there and all the strangeness I ran into so automatically
my mind was like I switched from you know, I'm

(01:45:46):
going to be out here getting you know, evidence of
ghost talking to me and stuff like that, to like,
now I've got things running that I can see that
I can't describe what it is I've got weird voices
projecting at me that seemed to be almost like sonar
like way, and I'm like, that was so strange, and yeah,
it's just that. That's why, like early on, I adapted

(01:46:07):
quick to realize there's a lot going on that isn't
what you think or what you know what it is.
It's not just like spirits talking to you. There's there's
a lot going on out there.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
There is you know what, you know what I was thinking, like,
you know, we've got a vast underground network of tunnels
and gosh, gosh knows what down there, deep underground military
bases and all that. I gotta wonder if it's if
it didn't ice over. I know this is kind of
out there, right, but I'm not opposed to talking about
reptilian hives underground and stuff. I mean, I know it

(01:46:43):
sounds kind of crazy, right, but it's like, you know,
that's just weird that it didn't it didn't freeze. It's
like hot, like the ground is hot there like that,
and all that activity and plus the exorbitant amount of
dog man sightings out there. Uh, it's wild. I really
do need to get you in connection with Colleen Norris
at some point. She's got a lot of I mean,

(01:47:05):
she's got a whole map of you know, all the
sightings out there. A lot of a lot of the
dog man sightings are near the highways out there too.
For some reason, cemeteries and highways seem to be a
couple of very of some hot spots so to speak
when it comes to the dog man sightings out there.
But a lot of bigfoot activity too. She's a bigfoot
investigator as well, so there's something going on there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
Yeah, I mean the highways were something that we looked
into as well, Like Jack and I we we did
that just to see like some some areas and some
of the the parks we were at that are close
to major highways. We filmed there to see what would happen,
and because it made sense, like you know, if you've

(01:47:51):
got a lot of like just energy from traffic moving
even water, you know, like like waterflow, all that seems
to have some kind of an environmental effect from energy.
And we just had a curiosity if that was, like,
you know, the way it would increase activity in these areas.

(01:48:13):
It seemed conclusive, but it seemed like generally it was
it was more active in some of the areas we're in.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
Wow, and the people, you know we talked about earlier,
it's like, well the people maybe it's just maybe it's
just the people over there too, who knows. Yeah, But nonetheless, man,
that sounds like a really really cool area to investigate.
And uh and I can't wait to dig some more
into some of those videos you guys have made out there,
and I know Long Island beefoot Mike has spoken very

(01:48:44):
highly about all you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Oh, he's great.

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
Yeah, it's fun. It's fun to get to connect with
other field researchers too, and people that have had some
of these experiences like we've had out there, and just
to swap some stories and just to kind of just
kind of feel a little better, like we'll, I'm not
that crazy. People are having these experiences out there too,
just like I am. So so that's always good.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
Yeah. Yeah, And you know, with with social media now
everybody's able to share all these experiences. Now you kind
of get you get overloaded, but you get a lot
of information.

Speaker 1 (01:49:19):
Yeah, you do, you do well, man, Mike. This has
been a really fun conversation tonight, And uh, man, I
really appreciate you coming on the show tonight and uh
and sharing your experiences with us and stuff, and and
I know you've got to. You got a YouTube channel
if you want to tell the audience about it and
in any any anything you'd like to promote tonight, let's

(01:49:41):
talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
Well. My YouTube channel is mt Paranormal Life. It's been
on there for about three years now. And I do
have links for a Facebook group, So if you want
to join Facebook group, that's usually where I'll post updates
and I'll add like some extra information on the Facebook group.

(01:50:05):
Sometimes I usually drop like heads up on what I'm
doing things like that, you know, the things that you
can't really do on YouTube. I do that on the
Facebook group. So all you do is just request to
join and oh pretty much accept you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
Sweet sweet look all these videos. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
I'm always I'm always out looking for for places because
Ohio's got a lot of history, especially with like natives
and uh, because you know, there's so much water here
around here, you know, right on the edge of Lake Erie,
there's a lot of fresh water around here. There were

(01:50:47):
there were plenty of like ancient natives that settled around
here too. There's a rate by me, there's a burial
that was accidentally unearthed and excavating and that goes back
to like three hundred BC to like six hundred a
d Hope Well culture. So there's there's a whole lot
of like history of inhabitants, you know, from way back

(01:51:11):
around this area around the water here. So there's a
lot of places that I like to go investigate. And
seems like there's there's there's a lot that goes on.
Like I said, I think you know that too. It
has I think a lot of it has to do
with the people with you, Yeah, the right frequency, you know, things,

(01:51:34):
things want to communicate with you and and interact with you.

Speaker 1 (01:51:40):
Yes, Oh my gosh, And do you what would you
say to somebody like, We've got a lot of field
investigators in and researchers in the live chat right now
and a lot of I got some of my buddies
in here and stuff. So but but for people who
want to get out and start doing some investigating and
uh and and whether that be like ghost hunting or

(01:52:02):
cryptid investigating or whatever, what kind of advice would you
give people? Is there anything that you've learned that you
could share that might help people out there.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
You got to give it time. And you know, most
people do it because they have personal experiences that they
want to explore more, but not everybody does. And they're
just curious and they want to get they want to like,
you know, they want to do ghost hunts and you know,
they want to have experiences. And I think that's all
all good, but just you have to be genuine. That's

(01:52:35):
probably the most important thing, is be genuine. Understanding, acknowledgment,
and respect. Those are the three things that I say,
or like core values. Understand that what you're dealing with
is on a higher dimensional level, higher being. They're higher,

(01:52:55):
they're they're in every which way higher than us as
a species whatever you referring to, even though like the
spirits are what we will become and you know we're
different now, but they're on a higher dimensional level. You know.
The respect, Always show the respect, make your own offering
in a way whatever you do, just you know, vocalize

(01:53:17):
your intent wherever you go. Vocalize what you're there for.
You know, And it seems a little weird at first,
you might say, because you don't know what you're you know,
what you're really doing, but you just guess what I'm saying,
Just be genuine and and you'll you'll come to see that.
It'll it'll be more normal, it'll be more natural for
you the more you do it. And just acknowledge them,

(01:53:40):
you know, acknowledge the entities, Acknowledge the spirits. Let them
know you know they're there, right Like, you might have
doubts and you you you just start a conversation, start monologuing.
You don't even have to necessarily be direct. But once
you feel comfortable enough to think that they're listening, you know,
start talking like ignowreedge them, let them know you know

(01:54:01):
they're there, and you're not. You know you're not. You
might be doubtful, but like I said, you'll see if
you're genuine, you'll see that you'll start having experiences. And
you know, those those three things are the key things
that I think make a big difference in what I
say manifests these kind of encounters.

Speaker 1 (01:54:22):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
I think you've got it. I think you've got it
figured out. I really do. I appreciate it. I appreciate
you being here and to and share your experiences with us.
Man Mike, please come back and come hang out with me. Again.
And I would absolutely love that you are. You've got
so many amazing encounters and and I know the audience

(01:54:45):
has loved it tonight as much as I have. And
maybe maybe maybe we'll cross paths sometime out in the woods. Maybe.
So yeah, I need to make another trip up north soon.
Up north. I'm down in Georgia. I'm down in the south.
Uh So anytime you're down in the southeast, you holler
at me. Okay, We'll take you to some big foot
spots out here. Okay, okay, awesome. Well, everybody in the audience,

(01:55:11):
thank y'all so much for being here tonight. I hope
you guys have enjoyed this as much as I have.
And and be sure you go over to Mt Paranormal
Life on YouTube and Facebook and uh and subscribe over
on Mike's channel and join us Facebook group over there,
and and yeah, man, we've covered a lot. We've covered

(01:55:33):
a lot tonight and super awesome. I love going on
the hunt with new friends on Saturday nights. Yeah, for sure.
And uh and and I think the good takeaway too,
We have a lot of takeaways for tonight, but I
think another good takeaway is, like there is a common
thread that like kind of connects a lot of these
experiences together. Like that we didn't even get into like

(01:55:56):
the orbs and stuff. I was gonna ask you about
the orbs and I forgot. But you know something that
there's certain things that like span all the different I
want to say communities, but it's like cryptids, paranormal, bigfoot,
dog man, whatever. There's certain things that that do combine
all of those okay, experiences and encounters, and it is

(01:56:17):
things like orbs and stuff like that. But but anyways,
it's a it's all connected. That's That's ultimately what I'm
trying to say. It's all connected and and we're seeing
a lot more of that today. And so I appreciate
the talk with the Poultry guys Awakens. Now tell the
audience what is the Poultry guys Awakens?

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
Is this?

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
Is this a this one of your videos on your
YouTube channel?

Speaker 3 (01:56:38):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
Yeah, it was at a there's an investigation that the Jack,
the cameraman and myself we returned. This is a place
we had been going to for years, at least two years.
There's active there's at least one known active ancient Bear
Mound pop culture that's on the land and they've they've

(01:57:05):
been analyzing it, and they theorized there's plenty more burials
on this ground. It's right on a fresh water lake,
and you could see why this would be an inhabited area.
So we've been there researching it for a long time
and it's always had just strange behavior, strange things happen

(01:57:25):
what I call for you forest poltergeist like activity, because
everything's elusive. It's like nothing, there's really I never get
a sight on what causes the strange sounds, the strange
objects to be thrown, you know. And we were there
this night, and of all the times we've been there
over the past couple of years, that what happened on

(01:57:47):
that night was the most active and just the strangest
that I can recall yet. So that was it was
a very really good encounter, which has probably been one
of my favorite, especially there, because it was just it
was like everything was alive, whatever was there being very active.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
Oh yeah, the forest just comes alive sometimes and uh,
and that's that's exhilarating and uh and it's a little
a little bit scary, a little bit, a whole lot awesome, actually,
a whole lot awesome, and a little scary and uh so, well,
thank you for sharing that with us, and uh and
for sharing that with the world over on your YouTube channel,
you guys will find the unseen presence the culture guy

(01:58:30):
Still Awakens on Empty Paranormal Life on YouTube. I think
it's the first video when you open up your YouTube channel, right, so,
uh so, you guys go over and check that out.
And uh and we're gonna have Mike back on the show. Mike,
come back and see me. Okay, awesome, Okay, Well, thank
you so much Mike and you guys, thank y'all for
for hanging out with us tonight. It has been a pleasure.

(01:58:53):
Thank you to all my moderators for being here tonight
in the live chat. I will see you back here
on Monday, y'all come see me at one pm Eastern.
And the things that Mike and I talked about tonight,
this can be a little scary and stuff. I know,
we're out here chasing monster, so y'all don't have to,
but don't live in fear, live in awareness, okay, and

(01:59:16):
keep your head on a swivel. We are living in
weird times with weird people, and that's okay. I'm weird too.
A little bit crazy, but we all are and I
love you, guys. I'm sitting all my love and light
out to you guys tonight and come back and see
me on Monday. Mike. It's been a pleasure and I
can't wait to see you again in the future. All Right, y'all,
have a wonderful night and we'll see you next time. Bye, y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:59:37):
Right, it's it's it's it's it's it's so, it's it's so.

Speaker 3 (02:00:28):
It's

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