Stalked By Night Walkers: Georgia Bigfoot, Dogman, Portals & Little People with Keith Mclain

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Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, good evening everybody. It's the crypton address.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I'm just Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Welcome into our Saturday night show where we are going
on the hunt tonight with a very good friend of
mine and my fellow Bigfoot and cryptid field researcher, mister
Keith McLain. And if you guys have not read the
description box of this show yet, please do. I'm about to. Actually,
don't worry about it, because I'm about to read it
word for word with Keith's bio. Just like my mother

(01:22):
told me earlier. She goes, Keith might be the most
qualified bigfoot field researcher you've ever had on your show,
and I have to agree with that. Okay, you guys
are going to be blown away with Keith. Now, Keith.
This is the first time on the Crypted Hunter's channel,
but Keith was one of my first guests at not
only KGRA Digital Broadcasting back in the day, but also

(01:43):
space Out Radio as well. And now he's here on
my channel, the Crypted Huntress, and we both just got
in from the World UFO Conference up in North Georgia. Y'all,
that was such a fun event and I want to
thank everybody for coming out to that today, if you
guys are watching, I made some new friends and saw
some old friends people I kind of knew and they're

(02:06):
all friends now. Okay, and gosh, it was really fun.
Keith was there with me today, being along with Matthew
delf Our, other one of our other teammates. He goes
out in the woods with us and a whole bunch
of other guys. I actually have a couple of pictures
of y'all want to see him. Let's see if I
can pull these up. Okay. Oh, and James Rink, y'all
remember James Rink. There's James, and Catherine was there with us.

(02:30):
James is awesome. I don't know. James is having a
big conference coming up down in Orlando in October, and
he did ask me. He invited me to speak at that.
It's a super Soldier activation conference. So I may be
going down to Orlando in October. So hold our horses
on that one. I believe I will probably be going
to that. But also, of course, this is Keith. He's

(02:52):
going to be up on the screen in just a minute.
And and of course we had I told you it
was a distillery, right, They had moonshine and drinks and
all that kind of stuff. So some people were partaking
and some of us were not. Okay, but those are
the guys from DNR Paranormal, Keith, Matthew delf and myself
and and of course we had the head of Alabama

(03:12):
move on there as well. Uh plea is his name,
John Price, And what a cool dude. He give us
a great presentation on the statistics of UFO sightings and
UFOs all over the country, the world, and particularly Alabama. Okay,
so but anyway, shout out to doctor Stamy for inviting
me to speak at that. It means a world to me. Okay, Well,

(03:37):
let's get into our show tonight, you guys. Oh yeah,
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so much for all your sport. Y'all are awesome. Okay,

(03:58):
let's get to our show tonight. We are going to
be talking to my good friend Keith Maclin. And Keith
had experiences with more stuff than I have actually and
let me read. Let me read this. It might take
a minute. See I'll get comfortable, all right. So Keith
MacLean is a long time has a lifetime of extensive

(04:21):
outdoor related experiences and credentials. He's an avid outdoorsman with
a wide array of outdoor interests. To name a few, hiking,
campy mountain biking, hang gliding, canoe and kayaking, hunting, fishing.
He graduated from college with a Bachelor of Science and
Biology with a concentration in wildlife biology, and followed that
up with a Master of aqua Culture. In his first
job out of college, he performed field surveys, bird surveys,

(04:43):
collected samples of assets the effects of agrichemicals on the
local wildlife. His office was the outdoors. Then after his masters,
he went on to manage a tropical fish farm, another
job that kept him outside where he loves to be. Additionally,
he has maintained his love for flora and fauna by
becoming a Georgia Master Naturalist. Keith loves combining that his

(05:06):
outdoor interests and he used to be an adventure racer
and competed it. Competed competed in as a new word
in the very first Eco Challenge race, combining hiking, running,
land navigation, horseback riding, pioneering, canyoneering never heard of that before.
That's cool, rock climbing, canoeing, rafting, and mountain bike riding
into a multi day race was four hundred miles long.

(05:29):
He's the practitioner of three different martial arts that includes BJJ,
Brazilian jiu Jitsu, Aikido as Krema escrema, as well as
yoga and let's see he is a member of He
was a member of the BFRO that y'all know, that
is the big Foot Field Researchers organization from twenty six
to twenty ten and participated in or led many expeditions

(05:53):
before creating Enigma Research Group with three of his fellow
like minded researchers. Once they realized there was much more
more in the woods than just sasquatch, they created ERG
to focus on the big picture, to look at other
areas like et and the paranormal and other cryptis to
see just what fits where and where in the grand puzzle.
He's had many close encounters over the past several years

(06:15):
in all three areas. Additionally, he has substanstantial training and
remote viewing, which he turned out to be it's turned
out to be quite a valuable tool and ricking in
that grand puzzle. He's experienced, an experienced tracker who has
trained with numerous groups in the United States. He's a
member of the International Society of Professional Trackers and the
Society of Primitive Technology. He's caught taught tracking and outdoor

(06:38):
survival with ERG for several years. Hold on, We're almost
He loves carrying different types of gear like knives, access
machet He saws multi tools into the woods and is
always trying out something new and pew pews okay uh
to see what they're capable of. That said, he also
loves minimalist camping, just carrying what is in his pockets

(06:59):
on his built or in a small day pack. And
speaking of which, he is our official Bigfoot Burrito on expeditions.
And I always try to put my tent beside Keith
so he gets eaten first. Please help me. Welcome to
the show, my good buddy, mister Keith MacLean.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's just you made me sound great. I can't move
up to that.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
That's because you are Keith. You are I think that's
really cool. My mom was like, oh my god, Keith
might be the most qualified bigfooter that you've ever had
on your show. And Keith is no lie, you really are.
I've always valued having you there with us beside me
on the team out there, especially when it comes to
the wildlife. Okay, not only are you a great big

(07:45):
foot field researcher, but you know all the animals, you
know all the plants, and you're really good at tracking
and survival. Okay, so thank you for being here. And
we do have a lot of fun too, right, Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, if you're not having fun, what's the point?

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Exactly exactly what I want to tell the audience, y'all.
Keith was with me the first time I ever spoke
publicly about bigfoot ever, that first conference at Camp Disclosure.
Keith was there you yep. And and you were there
today as well at the UFO conference. So thank you, Keith.
You're You're awesome. Appreciate your support. With the thoughts I listen,

(08:23):
Oh my gosh, we have somebody in the in the
chat asking can Keith build a barn? Though his resume
suggests yes, can you build a barn?

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (08:32):
It might not standing very long. But yeah, thank.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
I bet you Keith.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Keith put his mind to it, he can he can definitely. Yeah,
well he can definitely build a debris hut. I know
that for sure. Okay, And uh, Keith, speaking of debrie huts,
I've seen you know, people send me pictures all the
time and uh they and a lot of people say,
you know, they send these things that like to brihust
it's always a big foot nests, right, what do you

(09:00):
think about that? Do people send you pictures like that
or tell you about Not in a while.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
But yet I've gotten a few, and yeah, it's it's
always the debris hut, which is if you'll for y'all
that don't know, it's primitive camping. You know, if you're
stuck out and you know the cold, without a tent
or a sleeping bag, you just line up some sticks,
kind of pop them up, make a a frame and
then just start piling leaves on top of it. Before

(09:27):
you know it, you have a big mound of leaves
with the whole one one end to crawl into the
sleep in and boy scouts do them. Anybody that wants
to do primitive camping does them. But more often than that.
You know, they use it and they leave it, they
don't break it down, spread it apart. So some other
somebody shows up a week later and they see.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
This debre hut. Oh my god, it's a bigfoot nest.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
By Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, I do not think bigfoot make nests at all.
So it's going to a degree made by humans, you
know what.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
That's see. I want y'all to see where I get
all this from. Okay, because I'm always being very skeptical
about tree stuff. Okay I am. And but you know what,
but what about could could bigfoot make a TP though?
I mean it is possible, right yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, I mean yeah they uh you know, we have
seen evidence of them using tools and yeah, so if
they use tools, they can mix up and and you.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Know, every a little bit of evidence that we see,
there's mounds evidence we have not seen. So yeah, yeah
they can. I'm sure they can build whatever they wanted.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh my gosh. Oh And
thank you Long Olympic Fun. I forgot to recognize this
past week, you guys, we hit fourteen thousand subscribers on YouTube,
So thank you so much, Long Island Bigfun. I appreciate
that and thank you to all my new subscribers and
all my you know og subscribers, everybody from the from

(10:55):
day one my a one day one y'all. Thank y'all
so much for being so supportive and subscribing and liking
all my videos and just being here with us in
the chats and stuff. It means world to me. All
it's a big milestone, So thank you. L I B.
But okay, Keith you have been into big footing. You
guys got me into bigfooting.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Actually back in twenty eleven.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
This guy, he is responsible for getting me into big
foot Keithy, I think you're the one that invited me
on the expedition.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, Lee and I met you at
the Sam Matthew's meeting and it was at a time
where at that point it was really just the four
of us Me, Lee, Craig and JT. And we wanted
to expand get more people in different kind of energetics,
people that had different experiences and areas of expertise.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
And we met you it was like, yeah, yeah, you
fit the bill.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
You had your paranormal experience because we wanted to delve
into paranormal because it's not just about Bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
You know, there's t paranormal bigfoot. Uh really an ENCRYPTI
and it's all intertwined.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
And plus you had the feminine the energy and we
kind of we knew based on uh you know, when
we were doing stuff with b R O, which is
where I met H WE and JT.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Is that feminine energy is considered. It's it's safe for.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
The big Foot. They're more likely to come around a
girls present. Uh if it's just guys. Guys are associated
with guns hunting, but women typically are going to be
safer for them. So having women on the team kind
of helped boost our experiences.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Oh man, So that's why I guess it was cool.
I volunteer to be bait the first time out there,
and I never quit. I never quit. I don't mind
being bait. But but yeah, that means that's a really
good point though, and I think it's important for the
audience to hear that, is that, you know, they people
will say they don't really explain like exactly why other
than you know, bigfoots react differently to women and children.

(13:04):
They're very curious about women, very curious about children as well.
But it does kind of maybe it just kind of
balance the energy out there, and we are all about
the energetics out there, right, Yeah, yeah, that's that's actually
really cool. And yeah, you know, we had Kathy on board,
we had a we we had a little team put
together after that first expedition. Uh, and that that was

(13:25):
a lot of fun. I'm super blessed and thankful that
I was able to experience all that. And I've often
told people, you know, if it hadn't have been for
that first expedition I went on with you guys, I
wouldn't be here right now at all because it was
so like eventful. It was so eventful. We had so
much stuff that happened that it's it kind of snowballed
into like us learning remote viewing and I mean me

(13:49):
possibly getting abducted by aliens and having alien kids. We
were joking around about that, you know, and stuff I
was not expecting, nor did I really want that much
about the alien abductions. But but yeah, you guys been
experiencing that out in the field before y'all invited me
out there.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, okod yeah, I mean anything can happen in the woods.
It's wide open.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, you know, on any ta involved, anything could happen. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Oh yeah, Well all roads seem to lead back to ets,
as Lee has told you before, and and that's definitely
the case. Now, well, let's let's back up a little
bit and talk about you in your background, because you
are my resident wildlife biologist, okay, and and I like
to refer to to you know, it's great to have
a wild life biologist on your your field research team.

(14:41):
Uh how did you get into big Foot? And did
have anything to do with you being a wildlife biologist?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Probably I had on a small scale, probably had something
to do with it.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
But I've always been into the outdoors and yeah, you know,
plants and animals and uh yeah, just I find the
more you know about nature, the more you become in
tune with nature. And this is great being in tune
with nature, and Bigfoot's just kind of part of the equation.
But as far as getting into big Foot, you know,

(15:14):
when I was little, you know, I remember seeing a
documentary or I think it was a quasi documentary. Kept
remember the name of it, but I remember seeing it
in the theater and I thought that was cool, you know,
about this big hairy guy that's out in the Pacific Northwest.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Somewhere, and I had no idea that it was actually
a species.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
It wasn't until I was watching Art Belly years ago,
or not watching listening to Art Bell or he interviewed
Matt Moneymaker, you know Moneymaker, you know, talks about it
being gigentopithic is blacky eye, And I was like, wow,
there's a genius and species for it, and checked out
the website before you know it, and I'm like, yeah,
this makes a lot of sense from my wildlife biology

(15:53):
background that all these sightings that are on posted on
that website, you know, are they all either idiots misidentifying
lying crazy people or it's just one of them an
actual bagfoot and all takes one of them to be
an actual backfoot for it exists.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
And so yeah, it just made so much sense to
me that yeah, yeah, that's these things exists.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
So I started going on b F R O trips
and uh you met Lee and j T and H
and eventually, you know, we kind of branched away and
started enigma research for PRG because we'd all kind of
figured out that there's way more to the woods than bigfoot,
you know, like I said earlier, you know, we got
et paranormal and Bigfoot, and those are the victory. And

(16:39):
there's all sorts of little sub shoots and of different ones,
offshoots of each one. So before you got dog Man,
which is you know, kind of someone, you got little
people and ets you know, you got you know what
kind of et a you're talking about. There's all sorts
of different ones, and yeah, yeah, there's just so much

(17:00):
it's out there, and for some reason, you know, being
in the woods, you get them all together. You know,
you're not going to see any of this, you know,
sitting on your couch or you know, in the city or.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Just in your house. Got to go out in the
woods to see it. Yeah, you do.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
And you've spent your entire life out in the in
the mother nature basically, and uh yeah, from I mean
even out of school, you were working outside doing aqua
culture and things like that. And when when was your
first Bigfoot experience or something weird going on out there
in the field?

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (17:36):
First weird? I mean I had a couple.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
I mean I've heard some howls and moons, you know
earlier one that had I remember camping out one time
on the top of a mountain, like I had mountain,
backed up a mountain. This was probably in college. I
don't think I've ever told you this story. But all night,
you know, I had acorns being thrown at me. And
in my mind it was before I was really in

(18:00):
the Bigfoot, you know. I was like, oh, they corns
are falling off the trees, okay.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
And it wasn't until like the next day.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
I'm like, wait a minute, it's the summertime. The acorns
aren't falling, but yeah, that's kind of weird. Uh. Then
but uh, but it was that one one huge how
that heard in broad daylight, uh, in North Georgia that
had me wanting to That's when I reached out the

(18:30):
Matt Moneymaker. And I talked to him once before and
just the interest wasn't there. But then when I heard that,
Al's like, I'm gonna reach out to him again.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
I'm on bold.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
That's when he told me, Yeah, we got Georgia expedition
coming up in a couple of months, why don't you come.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
All right, we'll do it.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
But yeah, I did the first few expeditions, still somewhat
as a skeptic.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
But you know, the more you know stuff happens, you know,
the less skeptical.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
You could come and yeah, you're not going to have like,
you know, show up an expedition to have a big
foot side and it's just not the way it goes.
And get a lot of little stuff, and stuff builds
up and you just connect all the dots, you know,
you know, you know, we had a little eye Shine
Rock showing at his Bones House Stocks. But all that
combined it builds up and eventually and if you do

(19:18):
it long enough, you will get the really really big encounters.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
M Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
I feel like the first time I went, I did
have a bunch of encounters, but.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
That was that was a that was a big weekend
and I think part of what was having such a
a big group together that tend to had open minds
and I think they can kind of pick up on that.
Uh So, yeah, they felt free to interact with us.
So yeah, we had big foot in et on that weekend.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah we did. And uh And I wanted to oh
and thank you Midwest nightwa washers to thank you for
being a member of the Hunt Club for six months.
I appreciate that it's been longer than that, I think,
but gifted five Hunters memberships. Thank you, so much and
shout out to all my Hunt club members. What you're
drinking Monster brew for.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Three years. It's a kind of skunky, but it's.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
All but you're saving it for a good occasion like this.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Perfect.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yes, cheers everybody out there. Yes, we were at a
distillery earlier today all and no I did not drink okay,
but okay, but anyways, they have that's a that's a
really nice facility there. We had a good time.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well, speaking of Georgia, okay, And I know I'm kind
of going to bounce around a little bit on different
on some different topics tonight because I have been covering.
I've had people that came on the show. I've had
friends on the show who are into the dog man
reports and sightings. And I had my buddy Kenny come
on the show and he gave us some reports of
some recent and I mean recent, within the past five

(20:51):
years to ten years of dog men and were wolves
in Georgia. And I'm talking about not just like one
or two. We're talking about a buch of them. And
one of them, as a matter of fact, was up
near Rome, Floyd County, Homa Booger Holler, and I was
just wondering what do you think about that, because you know,
we didn't really talk about dog Man a whole lot
when we were doing our research out there with Bigfoot.

(21:13):
I know, we always keep our eye out for everything,
but we've got reports of werewolves attacking families in Rome,
Georgia right now, okay and stuff. How do you feel
about that and what do you think?

Speaker 3 (21:25):
So until recently that you know, I found out that
they're actually a genius and species for dog Man, was
it canis bipedius, I think, yeah, so I was unaware
of that. For me, I tend to think of that
as splitting hairs, you know, dog Man, Werewolf, Bigfoot, that

(21:48):
they're all close enough to whether they're to say species
or subspecies or entirely different genus and species, I don't know,
but they're all close enough to each other there to
where for me it's easy just to kind of lump
them all together.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
You know, you know, the snout that the dog man
can be just a genetic trait of a species. You know,
like when you look at humans, you know, some humans
have big noses, some small noses. You know, well, you know,
ear lobes as opposed to the bottom of the lobe attaching.
There's all sorts of other differences. You know, we don't
really notice them because we see them all the time,

(22:27):
so we're more likely to notice it on a different species.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Oh and great points, very good points. And I mean
we get real nitpicky over here, okay, like real nitpigy,
like the difference between a dog man and a werewolf
and dig your grade legs. And we talked about this
at the conference today. You and I talk about the
foot because I showed you some pictures that somebody had
sent me have some potential dogman tracks, and uh, and
I was kind of like, well, I think those are

(22:53):
just dog tracks, That's what I told you. And we
were kind of talking about, well, what would their feet
look like?

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Okay, was not my thoughts too. I mean, there are
big tracks.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
I think they're you know, from toenail to the back
of the heel pad was about four inches and that's
a large dog.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
But it's not out of the realm of dogs.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
And you know, I'd always thought, and I could be mistaken,
but I always thought dog men had more big foot
type feet.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
But I could be wrong on that. But that said,
that track line he showed me, sort of looked like
it was bipedal.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
I'm gonna have to go back and look at some
minimal track and books and see, you know what the
gate is on dogs when they're walking, when they're uh
you know, triting, and when they're running. But you know,
what we saw was right left, right left you a
lot of times it would be right right from you know,
front foot, rear foot.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Then left left.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
But well, yeah, I mean it's intriguing, but I would
love to be on site and really get up close
and look at and follow it, you know, see more than.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Just you know, for four prints.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Okay, well good point, good point there. Okay, So I'm
telling you kid, you should do. I think it'd be perfect. Actually,
if you were to ever do, decide to do like
a course on tracking just for dog man researchers, because
I think that I think we all could use that,
you know, basically the.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Big foot tracking of courses what we used to do.
We haven't done them in a couple of years years,
but uh yeah, it's it's.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Something that you don't often find a group of people
that want to learn that.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
You know, it's a is it thanks some effort and
you go to spend a weekend woods and classroom and
and then you know, and following track lines. But you
know a lot of people just think, yeah, yeah, you
see the footprint, you just follow it and that's all
there is to it. But no, no, it's way more
to them that because you know, you're not going to
see a perfect track line unless you're at the beach.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
And you know, dog man don't really hang out the
beach do often as far as I know.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Yeah, tracking and training is brutal all and uh and
when it comes to our teams, y'all loved going out
there when it's snowing, when it's raining, when it's god
awful weather outside, in every condition. But you know what
that's that makes a good tracker though, right, Yeah, yeah,
you know uh Lee, you.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Know the guy that that taught us on one of
his old trucks. Uh uh where was it? Uh? Man
Rover East have a pumper sticker. Those trackers have a
flip fetish.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
That's funny.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
But yeah, when you learn tracking, you kind of become
consumed by it and it's like you're always looking at
the ground.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
It's like, oh, yeah, what happened there? Follow that? Yeah,
always look.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, well you know, and we talk about it with
the with the dog man sightings and whatnot. We talked,
you know, always look up too, so you've got to
be aware of all your surroundings three sixty degrees all
the times around in the woods. It's not only dog
when they say like to stay up in trees, but
also big cats.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah down on.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, pretty dangerous, but lucky for us, nothing like that
has happened. Not yet, not yet. Yes, So I'm still
I am still. I sleep comfortably knowing that you're the
big foot Brito out in the woods. Okay, I'm just kidding. Yeah.
I showed so I was showing all my presentation to
day at the World UFO Conference. There was a slide

(26:28):
that had one of my tents set ups. Here, my
hammock set up, and I pointed, I stopped the whole thing,
and I was like, look, Keith, I have a big
foot Brito.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
Now.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
I do want to go ahead to admit something right now.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Okay, So when we're set up next to each other,
as soon as you fall asleep, I get out of
my hammock.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
And go into my car.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
It's all good. Some blankets in there and some towels
and may go like you're sleeping. That's good enough for me.
I don't care. Oh god, golly, oh man, that's fun.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
But but you know, dog man is the hot topic
right now, and it has been for a long time.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
And I feel like I've been doing that. Most of
your woods research for the past few months has been.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Dog man, right, Yes, yeah, it has well, And that
is kind of a change because our teams are mostly
out there, you know, just looking for all the high
strange ass and we never really focus mainly on dogmen.
But now I'm kind of going out in the woods
with my my CW OPS team from Tennessee, and we've
we've gone everywhere from the Skinwalker Cave to multiple dog
man hunts, and you know, I was out there in

(27:31):
Alabama recently and we did that investigation up in a
National forest up in North Alabama, and I got to say,
what is a pattern that I'm seeing, Keith, is that
when we go out to look for dog men, we're
getting dogmen reports, we're ending up finding big finding bigfoot instead.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
That that goes what I was saying. They're kind of
you're splitting hairs. I mean, they're they're so close together,
lump them together.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
It will make it easier.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yes, I don't know. Do you think the dog men
will be a little more vicious than big Foot?

Speaker 2 (28:08):
I think that is a.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Common trait, is that when somebody's referring to dog man,
they tend to be a lot more aggressive. So yeah, yeah,
whether that is again, uh, you know, subspecies or separate species.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
M Okay, well, you're gonna have to go out with
me with my other team out there, and we're gonna
I'm gonna take you dog man hunting. Okay, We're gonna
go investigating.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
And also you see that aggressiveness traits will vary from region.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
The region too, Pacific, Northwest, General Giant.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Uh, and like in the southeast they tend to be
leaner and meaner, and then north I think northeast they
tend to be the most mean. So yeah, there's regional
variations as well.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, oh yeah, they're all different. They are regional, just
like we are. Okay, Uh, we've got regions here in
the US of all of us humans as well. And
uh and so yeah, I think Bigfoot and I always
tell people when they're asking me about Bigfoot, I'm like, well,
they're all like humans, you know, everybody, they're all different,
and you know they look different. I mean, Keith, you know,
I've got these charts right here when I I don't
know if you've seen these charts or I've showed you

(29:17):
these before, but I mean, look how many different types
of dog men that we have.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
That's wild.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Right.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
When I say nitpigy, I mean nitpicky, And it's because
these are the different types of people that have described. Now,
when I was leaving Alabama about a couple of months ago,
I did run into something that looked kind of like
an African dog, like a hyena type creature, but it
was all black, and.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
That's sometime I've never seen before.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, it was weird. It's almost I was almost embarrassed
even talk about it because I thought I still know
what it was.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
I'm supposed to stop and doate it down with the camera.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, No, I was by myself. I wish that I
had a dash cam and I'm going to get over there.
Got one yet?

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Oh yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
All right, well, let's let's talk about some of your encounters, okay,
because I know you and I have had a lot
of encounters together out in the woods. Talking about you know,
Bigfoot orbs. We got orbs. Like, let's start off with
something kind of you know, kind of light. Let's talk
about worbs first and then we're gonna get into the
heavy stuff.

Speaker 6 (30:24):
Okay, it's kind of funny, Like you know, you mentioned
like on the preamble that you know, I have all
these experiences and I've never really considered myself with somebody
that has a lot of experiences until.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Like, you know, we're talking earlier day.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
I was like, you know, I don't want to like
repeat my old stories and like, you know, come up
with some stories like yeah, I've had a lot that's
just don't really think about it because they don't know
it just spread out over fifteen years so it's not
like it happens every day.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
But yeah, I've been fortunate where I've had a few, but.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
There's other people that know have had more than me.
But I've had a good wide range, uh you know,
hitting all the different realms. But yeah, so you mentioned orbs.
Uh so I have no Like on a one of
the previous podcasts, you know, I talked about the triple
orbs got the you know the one that you know

(31:23):
expanded like a basketball and shout out, we want to
hear one of those.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I want to hear about that. Yes, well the basketball
or the basketball that's what I was going to ask
you about, Okay, right.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, yeah, I don't want to get too much in
the ones.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
That we've already told one, but you have a crowd
that has not seen all of our I seen the
other other interviews I have on them, and they can
always they can watch them.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
But yeah, so yeah, the basketball orb was really cool. Uh,
I mean it was connected a lot of dots for me.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
And uh, before then, you know, I was still under
the mindset that Bigfoot was kind of just just a
flesh and blood, nocturnally reclusive primate.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Uh. But you know this, you know we talked about
the X factor. Yeah, you know, this was a situation
that showed huge X factor with these sayings. Yeah. So
we're in uh uh North Georgia, one of our one
of our hotspots. Uh, you know, we had a.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Face camp and yeah, that night we led everybody out
and you know, in different directions mostly of course, I always.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Going uphill, always have to go uphill, go up the mountain, and.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Uh, I think throughout the night we had one person
that had a big foot sighting that ran across the
trail in front of her.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Both you and I in two different areas, had aerial
phenomenon with like sort of like fireworks coming out of
the sky, just ran them out of nowhere where there's
nobody at all, and way bigger than a normal fire work.
And uh, I forget what else happened, but everybody everybody
had from that. We could add some kind of story

(33:07):
one way or another.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Can I tell mine real quick, just real quick. I
remember being in field number two. I think it was
one of these, y'all. I want to explain to the audience,
like how we do stuff out there in the whip
in the woods, right, We'll just like break off into
like small teams and stuff, and like two of us
will go here, two of us will go there, and
it's cohesive, but it's also sabrate, so we can we
cover a lot of ground out in the field. And

(33:28):
in that particular night, I was, I was teeing up
with somebody, and uh, I went to one field it's
like an open field. We go up the mountain and
its woods everywhere and there's like an open field. And
I went and we posted up in this open field
and I saw it looked like a flare it was.
It looked like the moon kind of and it just
came out of nowhere and it was above the tree line.
It was huge, like the moon, and then it slowly

(33:50):
descended like it went down like a flare gun, like
somebody had shot a flare gun in the air and
it just kind of it descended like that in that field.
And that was that same night you came up there
and met us and we were talking about that.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, except after that, and that's when I told people
like on the other side of the valley, that's when
I saw all my.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Stuff, but yeah, yours was like, really, how big would
you say that?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
That life was the one that I saw that was
It was huge, it was. It was gigantic because it
was over the tree to tree line. It looked like
the moon, So I would I had to guess, I'd
say feet long. I mean it was pretty big because
it was a good distance away.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah. Yeah, that was a crazy night, but yeah, so
so it was. We'd all done stuff on the mountain.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Eventually, you know, we all ended up going back to
base camp and I think i'd gotten uh you know,
back around from one thirty one forty five or so, had.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
My dog with me.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Stevie had a instead staying in a tent or a hammock.
That night, I was just under a car. Sometimes I
just want to be able to like have a three
sixty view. It's like a year of noise. You pop
up and you can instantly look and see what you're
looking at. And I think we had like a three
quarter moon that night, so the sky was somewhat lit,

(35:13):
and everybody else started kind of you know, filing back
in around two or so, and eventually two fifteen or so,
everybody's kind of settled in and uh, you know sleeping.
So I'm laying there, you know, I fall asleep and
my dog, you know, starts on me in the face,
you know, just just trying to get my attentions.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
It's like pong, like Steve, cut that out, leave me alone.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
And she kept doing it and eventually she got a
toald on my lip and basically face hooked me. So
once she did that, uh that's when I was like,
all right, I gotta see what's going on. And as
soon as I sat up, uh, you know, she just
acted like a pointer She's not even a pointer. She
was a she was a red ealer of Australian cattle dog.

(35:55):
But she was just pointing like across the camp looking
at and I didn't see anything. But then I started
hearing footsteps.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
So I heard step step, and.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
I'm like, you know, watching her, and she's following the
steps and I'm like, you know, following the steps and
watching her her.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
You know, you know, it just basically something that I
could not see that she could just walking around the
campsite and it just comes around and uh it kind
of stops, uh next to somebody's tent.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Uh friend, don uh it just don't hear any steps.
But after it stops, and after like a few seconds later,
I see a little pinpoint of a white light. It
just expands, just gets big, big, big, bigger, bigger, bigger,
and it gets about about that big like between the
basketball and the beats ball, and then it was like

(36:47):
a cool white light and it had a real thin
line like in.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
The middle of it. It's just really bizarre looking.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
And I watched it and it held that form for
maybe four or five seconds, so I said, just disappeared,
and uh, you know, I look at Stevie. As soon
as it did that, she just laid down and go
to sleep. I'm like, I'm like, well, I don't hear
any more footsteps and I don't see anything, so I
think whatever had uh.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Done that is gone. And you know, so you know,
I sat around for another ten minutes or so, but
then just you know, just went to bed. H The
next morning, we.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Had a little debrief, everybody talking about what they saw,
and of course Don was like, who who was walking
around my toil last night?

Speaker 2 (37:36):
I was like, well, what time was that? Was that
around two thirty? Because yeah, I was two thirty. I
was somebody's kind of like stomping. It was like, oh,
it was really annoy end the whole lot of me.
I got. Yeah, no, uh, it wasn't me. But I
was watching it and let me told him my story,
and uh, you know, so so he heard it too.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Uh So basically, all I can really say is that
something big was walking around the camp that I could
not see with my naked eye, that somehow Stevie could
pick up on, my dog could uh and Donald could
hear and uh, and when that light showed up, it disappeared.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
So whether that is a form of a portal or
cloaking device.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
I do not know, but that was that that night,
right there had me thinking huge X factor on the
big on the big foot, because obviously we're thinking big
because that's what we're there for.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
But because I never saw it, I can't say with
certainly it was a big foot. It was just something big, something.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Big, and it was walking on two feet. Okay, well,
so there's speculation that could have been a portal opening, right.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
That's that's my thoughts.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Okay, just poking it would have to be cloaking, both
visual and audio because I didn't hear anything after that,
So yeah, I mean it could have cloked visual and audio.
But but then what's the point of the light showing
up in the first place if it's already walking around cloth?

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Because it was I was not able to see it. Again,
there was a three quarter moon.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
I could see, I could see trees, I could see
everything on the other side of the camp. I just
couldn't see whatever was walking. So yeah, from based on
that and just kind of putting together the dots, yeah,
I think that was a portal and uh, you know,
so whether then the question becomes is like, how does
that portal work is a mechanical device. Is there some

(39:35):
weird uh uh you know, spiritual mental thing that they're doing.
I don't know, it's crazy. Yeah, just love to see
it again.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah. Yeah, Well next time I'm running towards the footsteps
and say, hey, I want to meet you.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah, just don't go into the portal, okay, don't Well, okay,
So for the ads has heard place many times about
the meadow portal. Hey, and that was that was quite
an event there. But our teams, the other team, the
original team, some of the some of the people and
that you have had some some encounters I'm gonna say issues,
but encounters with portals out there. We've had. We've had

(40:17):
more than three I'm gonna say portal incidents out there.
Should we talk about those tonight or no? I haven't
talked about them publicly really not, not like.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
On the I guess on the screen you you you
say we're going to talk about little people and uh
not in Shadow Walkers probably talk about.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yeah, we'll talk about those two. Well we well, y'all
just know that we we have had in that same
area where Keith saw that weird orb and I saw
the one the orber that floated down like a fill.
We have had we have had other incidents with what
we believed to be portals not documented, and they don't
look like what the Meadow Project portal looked like in

(40:58):
that video of something different. Okay, they're all different, so
I don't know. We'll have to do a show just
on portals one day and all the different types of that.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
And I think it was good to send a link
to like one of our previous UH interviews, because we
do talk about both portals, I think on the second interview,
So yeah, it'd be good to do that. I think, yes, yeah, well, yeah,
I think we all talk about the other stuff, so
that's what you have to ask.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yes, I think so too. We'll say way to keep Yeah,
I love that. Well, real quick, before we go, I
want to say anti Venom. I think Anti Venom is
a search and rescue lady and she has a sn
R S a R dog and all that, if I'm
not mistaken, And she says, I watched an orb come
out of a tree line move completely around a group
of researchers sitting on the in the dark among indigenous

(41:46):
mounds in Florida. It looked like a form inside the orb.
Oh my gosh, that's interesting, Thank you, Auntie Venom.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, lots of people do describe seeing orbs, and some
of them have faces. You take pictures of it, and
they have faces in them.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
In fact, Uh, Craig got a picture of one with
the face.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
He was watering a tree one night.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yeah, he got up, followed him take a picture.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
He did.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Oh, I thought it was on a camera, one of
our cameras out there.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
I don't think Craig took the picture. Uh, I don't know.
Ask Greg.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
There is there is a picture made with an order
with a face in it. And everybody was sleeping that
night except for Craig because he had to get up
and take care of business. Okay, Margaret, thank you so
much for that supersticker, she said, research gas money rides
to make history. Thank you so much, Margaret. You're actually
and I love your nails. I saw the pictures. Okay,
looking good lady. Okay, yes, okay, Well I I miss labeled.

(42:47):
I mislabeled the topic because you told me we were
talking to earlier today about night marchers or night walkers, right,
night walkers, and I put shadow walkers.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, shadow walkers the more. Uh yeah, yeah, I think
they've been you know, shadow walker, night walker.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
I think the direct like if you like a Norse mythology,
it's going to be shadow walker, and then the translation
for Cherokee lore is going to be night walker. So yeah,
I think they're one and the same. Uh And that
kind of reminds me. It's like I think we kind
of mentioned it today, is in your talk about we

(43:28):
use local mythology and lore in our research. And the
more of research and the more I read different mythology,
it's like, yeah, ancient mythology spot on.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
They're describing something that actually happened.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
You know, they may not be able to explain it
in a really proper way, but yeah, they're seeing some stuff.
So uh So when you look at Cherokee lore, you
know they have night walker's, they got little people, they
got bigfoot and uh I think one of the names
translates is stone coat giants.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Uh, they got tricksters. There's all sorts of sorts of stuff.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
But uh but yeah, so there was it was in
that same area, uh mea Lee and Craig uh that
uh gated opened up. It was like, all right, Kate's
opening let's drive up and camp pass the gate, because
that didn't happen very often.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
You know, I just love locking gates. Uh.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
So, you know, I found a good spot and set
up camp and I started building the fire and it's
like right round dusk. Uh, and I'm yeah, I think
both of them are facing me and I'm facing one way.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
And it wasn't really painting. Nothing's going on. We weren't.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
We were thinking more about you know, you know, what
we're gonna eat for dinner, you know, what we're gonna do,
and then what we're gonna do later on that night.
And just you know, on the other side of the fire,
behind you know, Lee and Craig, I see this kind
of a brownish shadowy figure just gliding across.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
You know.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
The whole sighting lasted maybe four seconds. He just went
from right to left, just glide. It wasn't like walking,
It just glided. And uh, you know, I'm like, I've
never seen anything like that before. It was like it
wasn't like it wasn't fully materialized. It was sort of
not fully opaque, but it wasn't transparent, but it was

(45:20):
somewhere in between.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yeah, and you know, so I correct, I just saw this.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
And of course Lee, you know, Lee is the guy
that taught us Remo viewing, and he is like the
top dog in r ving. Uh you know, he you know,
just kind of well, you know, they gave me a minute,
and he closes his eyes and kind of gets into
a data state and basically de links up with it
and you had to find out about it, and he

(45:48):
sort of followed it for well, I mean, he he
opens up because, yeah, that's a shadow walker.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Like I can't remember the the Cherokee name for it.
It's like, you know, he it's good. I don't know
Cherokee at all.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
But they got something that translated is night walker shadow
walker and it's basically it being that trends versus dimensions.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Uh so, you know, so it was probably like halfway
in our dimension, halfway in its own. And he says, yeah,
I didn't even nowhere there. You know, it was just
it was just going didn't pay any attention.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
And that sort of explains what I saw, because yeah,
it didn't pay us any attention.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
He just just went went by.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
He goes, yeah, yeah, they're they're they're not benign, not maligned,
you know, they just they just do.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Their own thing.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Pay attention to us. Are they not always? But sometimes
they are?

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, I mean that that.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah, just you know when you try to get in
the head of you know, what was it doing? You know,
where was it going? Yeah, yeah, totally ignored us, just
just shot by. You know, that was a really weird instance.
It's real subtle. You know, it's like there's nothing. If
I had been looking twenty degrees to the left or blinked,

(47:09):
I would have missed it. It makes me wonder how
many times I've missed that kind of stuff. You know
that it's probably going around all around us and we
just don't see it. And you got to be in tune.
And you know, the more you research, the more you
go out, the more you're more likely to be able
to perceive that.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
And that's where the RBN really really helps us.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
It's not only just with the rb in, but I've
noticed since I've started rving, my intuition really picked up
quite a bit, so I'm able to notice things, become
a lot more observant.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
And tracking helps with that too.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
You know, it helps someone you're observed in just noting
small little changes in whatever you're looking at.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
So yeah, yeah, well, okay, so the remote viewing is
I think it's a wonderful too. I'd like to tell
people we have the a team of cryptids searchers, we
really do. From the survivalists to the remote viewers, we've
all taught each other everything we know, I guess, and
combat medical training and all that kind of stuff, urban escaping, invasion,

(48:12):
all that, all that fund stuff, pig and lawn tea
name it. I know how to do a lot of
bad stuff I probably shouldn't know how to do at
this point. I'm just kidding. It's not bad. But uh,
but we're talking about the energetics out there and what's up.
William Nighthawk is in the chat and he's just saying
that I think he said. He said, wet's see, there's
so much that we indigenous people have not even disclosed

(48:33):
to everyone yet. There's there's a lot out there. Okay,
there's a lot. I totally understand that. And uh, you
know I wanted to say too before I go further,
is that I've actually seen a gigantic, hulking, shadowy figured
like that too, when we were at the meadow one night,
going from tree to tree, kind of like on the
tree line right there.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
I didn't assume it was a big foot, you know,
we don't. We don't always just can assume us enough.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
It's so easy to assume something is what is in
your area of expertise. But that was all the case.
It's going to be something else, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Mean it could be pretty much anything. But someone in
the chat had mentioned CV Wildcat had mentioned lay lines.
And we talk about the places that we do our research,
the high or areas of high strange just where there's
a lot of legends and lore there and you know,
long long time folklore, you know. And we're up in
the Appalachian Mountains basically right doing a lot of our research,

(49:29):
and there's the energetics play a big role in all
of this. And when it comes to the lay lines,
were you guys paying attention or like following lay lines
when you started finding some of these spots that we
researched today, I.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Don't really follow the way lines.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
I've seen lay line maps, but that's never really been
a big on my agenda.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
You know, I want to go where I want to go.
If it's someplace I like, I want to go, I
don't care if there's a lay line or not.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
But but yeah, that said, uh, you're going to have
where you have lay lines intersecting, you're more likely to
have more ice fringes.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Mm hm oh yeah for sure. For sure, that term
does come out quite a bit. And we do talk
about lay lines, yeah, a good bit. So okay, so
the night the night walkers, I called them shadow walkers,
but they can also be known as night walkers. Okay, yes,
not to get I mean, it's kind of the same thing,

(50:30):
but nonetheless it's a little it's a little creepy, you know,
one of the one of the things that I I
think did kind of creep me out a lot. And
we're out in where we go big footing with spearfinger,
the Cherokee legend of spearfinger. Right, thanks a lot to
you guys for scaring them crap out of me over spearfinger.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah, there's some terry.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Yeah you spirit you spear finger, raven mocker, there's some
evil entities that are in Cheroke people or and yeah, yeah,
we h. I didn't but like Lee and j T
did have an experience with a with spear finger, you know,
so I don't really remember the full details, but they

(51:10):
were their own high edge.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I know when when they got back to camp, we
did not sleep that night.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
That's that's rough right there, because he was worried that.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
You know, there was some bad mood jo hit in
our way. So yeah, he save watched camp.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Okay, Well, to the to the audience who's listening tonight,
you know a lot of people may be confused as
to like, well, why would we we be worried about
a mythological witch that doesn't exist? He tells of her.
I've experienced it myself where I believe that I was
in the presence maybe a spear finger, but it's probably
my imagination took running wild with me. But there's it's

(51:52):
not just physical, right, It's not just physical, the energy energetics.
We're talking about Bigfoot being interdimensional. I mean spear Finger
might be interdimensional.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Right, absolutely, Yeah, I mean otherwise you would see them
more often. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Yeah, I mean it all comes down to you know
what we said before is like mythology, there is truth
in mythology.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah, you got it.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
That's part of our research. We want to research something.
We see what kind of myths are involved, what kind
of stories? Yeah, I mean people just don't really make
up stories. Yeah, people do, but but the myth myths
and legends, they're based on some actual occurrence or some entity.
So yeah, yes, spear fingers out there. Yeah, I think, uh,

(52:43):
you're probably more prevalent, you know, one hundred, two hundred
years ago. I think as as our society has progressed. Uh,
I think, uh, those entities are less likely to interact
with us.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Oh yeah, it is. It is important in my opinion,
to be connected energetically to everything out there in the woods,
and to be able to connect to pick up on
bad energies and good energies. Speaking of which William Nighthawks says, uh,
don't forget the Woman of the Woods, which protecting the
land of North Carolina. And and so there's there's good

(53:19):
and then there's.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Some that is there's usually a juxtaposition. So you got
an evil entity and a good entity bet are fighting
each other. Uh so yeah, well there's good, there's bad.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yeah, Yes, there's always the duality, right, yeah, yes, yes,
Well I'm sure Lea was just protecting everyone from getting
their livers taken that night.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Oh yeah, we got to worry about yeah, you know,
I mean that's scary that.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
That is really wild to think that you have to
go to the hospital the next day after camping out
and your liver's missing. Okay, you're a piece of it
and you've got a slit in your back. I mean,
I've heard about theople.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Going to the hospital and go to the work.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Waking up in a bathtub of ice from spear finger.
Than spear finger, Oh man, go down to the Masogi hole,
you end up near missing part of your living. Okay,
that's if she's being nice. Okay, but by the way,
that water is really cold, y'all. If you ever go
do masoki.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
I'm just saying having like.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Oh man, I know, especially if you've been in the
woods for five days straight and you stink. Okay, yeah,
that is that's really wild. That's really wild. But but yeah,
it is. It is in our experience. You can encounter
things like spearfinger. I mean, we're talking about bigfoot. We've
got people having bigfoot experiences. Why wouldn't you have an
encounter with spearfinger too.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
I mean, I mean that that that weekend opened up
my eyes to all the other stuff before. It was,
like I mentioned off shoots, Yeah, yeah, you big foot
and eat and paranormal. But then when you start doping
into you all the other folklore and mythology, that opens
opens up everything. You know, there's just so such a

(55:08):
big puzzle and we we just you know, put together
like two or three little pieces of that thousand piece puzzle,
and you know there's so.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Much more going on.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Yeah, there are, there is for sure. And uh, okay,
well let's let's get into the little people. Well, you know,
I've had I've had David Pard who on the show
several times. He's come on, he's been a regular guest
on the show. Yes we love some David Pard who
shout out to David. Okay, and uh and David was
showing us video. He actually showed some amazing video. And

(55:40):
by the way, y'all, Matthew Delle did show his video
today of the orbs that turn into aliens at the
UFO conference this morning. Okay, so he did show it.
Everybody there got to see it. So if you guys
want to see a video, he's never probably going to
ever show it online. If he does, he'll show it
on my channel, though. I think, yeah, I think that
would change the course of the trajectory of the conversations.

(56:03):
If everybody can see that video, I'm just saying, you know,
talking about orbs because there's so many different types of orbs.
But David came on the show. He showed us pretty
extensive footage footage of that little alien looking creature that
kept peeking out from behind that tree. He had hours

(56:24):
of footage of that. You know what I'm talking about?
A right, Yeah, what do you think about that? You've
seen the video. I think that we actually remote viewed
that video at some point. I think our team did,
some of us did. Do you think that was like
an alien or a moon eyed person or.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Because it sort of had an alien vibe to it,
like not quite like a mantis, but it had kind
of almost like a reverse priangle shaped head sort of. Yeah,
I'm not seeing the few videos and that's someone I'm
thinking of. Yeah, yeah it was tall, right, Yeah, yeah,
I think et so to hang out in the woods.

(57:02):
You think they're super advanced, they're just gonna hang out
in their spaceships.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
But no, they go hang out in the woods.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
And they stare at us. That's all they do is
stare at us. It's weird.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah, I guess they're like watching us, like, why are
these guys in the woods.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
They're watching us, watching them, but they're better at hiding
from us.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
But yeah, so to little people.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
But the people were not really on my radar for
a while until we sort of started experiencing them. And
you know, I think what happened was that I myself
did not see one, but I kind of help, uh
in the aftermath, kind of piece it all together and
figure out that's what it was. But it was like
one of our expeditions, uh like often now show up.

(57:46):
I'm a daylight and a dollar short, so I miss
all the really cool activity from the day before.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
But but y'all were telling me. In Glenn in.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Particular, it's like, yeah, we're hanging out by the campsite,
broad daylight and look across you know, the river, and
I see somebody watching this. You know, there's some being
watching this, and it was kind of like, you know,
hiding behind like a tree stump and just watching us
watching this, and and you know, they all looked at
it for like ten or fifteen minutes and before it disappeared.

(58:16):
So when I got there the next day, you know,
they told me that, and I'm like, well, Shiah let's
uh go find out where it was. So, you know,
we had to wait radios and so I had to
you know, waiting across the river, went up up the hill.
There was a path going straight up the hill.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
With Glenn guiding me with the radio, I found the
stump that he was looking at, and sure enough, there
was depression on the ground or something had been sitting there,
and uh, you know, there's definitely signs of you know,
some something being there, and and uh, he goes, yeah,
you know, the head was like right up like the
top of the stump. And I was thinking, yeah, I

(58:53):
was probably a big foot just sitting down watching and
so I, you know, I kind of put my head
you know, where where he said the head was, and
he goes, So I asked him, you know on the radio,
Its like, so, how how big was its head compared
to my head? And I was expending twice three times.
He goes, yeah, about half that size.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Just about emp the size of your head, Like that
makes no sense. But then it clicked on me. Uh,
you know, uh, from the experiences we've been having, like on.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Like the two prior expeditions, we had some weird stuff
going on that really wasn't big big foot.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
It was like something small. Yeah. I think like maybe
two weeks before and.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
I think it was just me and Lee uh, you know,
we're in the same spot. We had something, you know,
screaming at us.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
And it wasn't uh. It was screamed that none of
us has ever heard, not in any of my vocabulary
from all the animals that I've tried to listen to, and.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
It had like it was like an anger to it,
and it was just you know, it's just you know,
it seemed like it was like trying to listen a
reaction out of us, and when we didn't react because
because we're researchers, we're not going to like freak out
in channel life.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
We're just going to like just listen and see what's
going on. And so it kept ramping up. It's like
trying to trying to get a reaction out of.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Us and eventually just behavior, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
But it was weird.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
It's like, you know, we got the vibe that it
was something small, but I didn't really connect those two
dots until you know, you know that that next expedition
where you know, like when Glenn directed me to the
stump and also uh so, uh you Cherokee little people.
I think that the Turkey name is Yuni Sunday. Uh

(01:00:47):
and there's like a silent ty in there. It's it's weird,
weird spelling. But there's little people. I think there's like
there's different types of them. They can be helpful, they
could be uh malicious, they could be tricksters.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
And yeah, we don't the tricksters as well. That same
weekend that we had.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
To scream, uh, you know a lot of you know,
we have radios, we have hand radios, have a mobile
you know, uh in in my truck.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
You know, with the antenna that screws in and attaches
to the bumper.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
I noticed that next morning my antenna was unscrewed and
was just leaning against the you know, just.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Leaning against my truck. We are uh you know, I
think that's the tricks are phenomenon. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
You know, while we play with each other, we all know,
like you know, because we're all hand we're all licensed
hand radio people. If you try to transmit on a
radio without an antenna, you kind of probably blow out
your your radio. So like I know, I can't I
can't fathom anybody in our group doing that just to
mess with me. So it's clear to me that something

(01:01:52):
not in our group did that, and that kind of
fits with the you know, the tricks are phenomenon of
the little people. Uh yeah, that was you know, once
you like each one by itself, that really made a
whole lot, but once you connect them together. Said, yeah,
you know, we've been we've been experiencing little people all along,

(01:02:12):
and I think you had uh one at a different
base camp in the same area. Uh that you probably
need to talk about that with the I think there
was also screaming, which I think I did ask leave.
He says, yeah, that sounded like what we had heard before.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Oh yeah, that was not something little though. I don't
think that was a we were at the base camp.
That was when another portal kind of opened. I really
don't talk about this very much. I don't talk about
the entirety of it because it's kind of a lot
to wrap your head around. Whizzle for me at the time,
and so I just talked about how something came up
to our base Cambinet screened. Actually what happened was, you know,

(01:02:52):
there is something that opened, like a portal opened, and that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Was the daylight dollars short on that one. I showed
up after after all that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Happened like.

Speaker 5 (01:03:03):
That.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
I know, I'm usually not there. I was there for
this one. And yeah, actually, the head of our team
heard a commotion, he felt something going on behind our tents,
right behind my tent, by the way, I remember that,
and he kind of got up abruptly and walked over there.
We're all sitting around the campfire hanging out, and as
he walked over there, we heard him yell something in

(01:03:26):
a different language actually, and yeah, it was a different language.
And what he described was should we talk about what
he described? I guess because yeah, well, okay, talk about it. Well,
I've kind of kept this one on myself for a while, okay,

(01:03:48):
because it was just, you know, I've never really heard
anybody else describe this before, and so I was just
going to see anybody else ever describe this before I
ever talked about it. Nobody's ever talked described this. I've
never heard anybody. But what happened was like a grid
appeared in the in the atmosphere, in the air, like
a red grid pattern that's like nineteen eighty style like grid,

(01:04:11):
like like something off of Tron or something yeah, that
that appeared and there were two creatures crawling out of it.
And he observed two creatures crawling out when he yelled,
it started to close like that, and one of them
jumped out and the other one got sucked back in,
and and that's when that thing yelled.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
I wasn't hiding that from you guys. I just didn't
know how to. I didn't know how to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Some stories you're just not ready to tell until you Yeah, well,
you know, I'd rather like my somebody on my team
be here to talk about it with me, you know
what I mean, because it sounds it sounds, it sounds
wild and whatever whatever hopped out of that portal was
very upset. And I think when we talk about portals,
that's a portal. I think that was a poor hole.

(01:05:01):
And now the thing that we talk about the portal
and the meadow, I think that could have been a
spaceship or something. Actually, I'm not even sure we call
it the portal, but was it I don't know, what
do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
I mean, it was sort of like it was a
heat sink, you know, so, I mean, it wasn't something
that was like physical like knock on it. There's metal,
so that one's hard to describe. Yeah, I'd love to
seeing the grid grid portal.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Yeah, well since well since we had the encounter out
at the meadow with the with that cube, David Politis
did that that missing? Was it the Hunter's video some
some video. Maybe it was the I don't know, it
was one of his videos, the alien one. I guess
the UFO missing for one one movie or whatever that
I don't know. I never saw the whole movie, but
I saw clips because people were sending them to me,

(01:05:49):
and and they describe a invisible, like transparent cube that
a hunter had come across out in the field that
was honey for Antelope or something. Yeah, I guess it
was Antelope. And he said that he saw this it
was like a big cube, just like Bob and Timlin
inside of you know whatever. And he said, the next

(01:06:11):
thing he knows, he's inside that cube and he's floating
into outer space with the with the animals in there
with them. So that was I had never heard anybody
describe anything like that other than our team's experience out there.
And then it's in this David Platising, and he described
it as a spaceship.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I don't know, I just I
just I think we should definitely I need to definitely
do a showdown on portals and like bring people on
that have experienced.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Yeah, there's so much to talk about it on those
but yeah, the cube, you know, whether I don't think
it was a spaceship itself, but it was probably a
portal to the spaceship. And so the guy went into
the cube and popped me ended up in the spaceship
in space. That kind of makes more sense to me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
But yeah, it's it's it's it's we'd make me scratch
my head.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
And when I started thinking about, like every portal we've
seen has been entirely different. There's there we're not seeing, uh,
you know, continuity, you know, so like one was you know,
two pillars, one was a cube, one was a grid.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Exactly. Well, and then there was that time that you know,
Tim and I think Susan had got driven off into
a place and they said it was like another dimension
they had gone and they felt like they had driven
through a portal out there. So yeah, like an hour, yeah,
missing time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Yeah, So I don't know, y'all, That's why I never
I never really brought that up publicly to talk about
that grid, okay, because I still have not heard anybody
else describe it that way. Now, Angeline was wondering what
happened after we saw the grid. Okay, the head of
the team is one who what who witnessed it. We
just jumped up as soon as he yelled, and as
soon as he did that, and he saw that, and

(01:07:57):
one thing came out, the other one got sued ba again.
All we was this god awful yell and it ran.
You could hear it running from where it jumped out
or got spit out of whatever that was, and it
ran all the way. I mean it had. It had
to have been for twenty yards or so. I mean
it was like maybe maybe about fifteen yards. I'm gonna say.

(01:08:19):
You could hear it. It was like it was like
a fee. To me, it sounded like a female in pain, agony,
pissed off and just mad. It seemed like it was
mad and hurt and upset, like all these emotions. It
was all these emotions in one Keith, I have never
heard anything like that in.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
My life that was loud before that, you know, it
was trying to listen to a response out of us.
But I think in your case it looked more raw emotion. Yeah,
pissed off.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Because yelled something and shut down our portal.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Yeah, ever.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
Without my partner exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
I mean, we don't know where they came from. And
and actually when that happened, I think that it was
described as a hungry ghost, is what is what he
was calling that, Like, it wasn't maybe maybe it wasn't
a bigfoot. It was something like a prieta or something
like that, some kind of crazy name. It wasn't quite
could could have been like a night walker kind of,
I guess. But but this one, this one screamed. The

(01:09:21):
thing that you saw, didn't didn't yell, right, the night
walker one, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Night walker was silent, just gladening. It was. It was
not creepy. It was just it's just something I saw.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
I mean, it was like, didn't That was what it
was so weird about it is it didn't really phasee
me one way or the other other than that, Yeah,
that's surprising, that's kind of weird expect to see that. Well, yeah,
it didn't draw any kind of emotion or fear or
anything out of me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
M hm, could something have escaped? Angelique wants to know
something did escape? I think, and we were did you
did you make it there that night because we got
acorns and rocks thrown at us all night?

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Yeah that and I don't think I remember Lee saying,
remember we do this for fun. Okay, let's talk about
this other phenomenon that happens to us quite often. It has,
at least to me and to a bunch of us.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Sometimes when think when s h TF, y'all know what
that means. Right when things are going haywire, you think
that we would stay up and investigate, But yet we
always turn into our tents and go to sleep. Not always,
but sometimes what is that about? Is it just because
we're kind of we're bored with the activity out there,
like we have so much of it, we just go

(01:10:38):
to bed. We just we don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Well, I remember, like when I first started, I would basically,
you know, something would happen. It would stay up, stay up,
waiting for it to repeat and continue, and usually it
stops and you end up you're up for another four
hours and like, yeah, I should have gone to bed
four hours ago. So for me, that's a lot of
it is like, you know, you just kind of get

(01:11:01):
a feel for you know, wind activities dying down. And
it's because it never lasts, lasts all night long, you know,
jump up and it'll dissipate. It might get a little
bit of a trickle here and there, and then it'll
go away, you know. So I mean that's is the
most plausible in my mind, uh explanation. But then there

(01:11:24):
is the thought that there could be uh you know,
something getting in our heads. Tone is to go to sleep,
you know, because it doesn't want us watching them all
night long. There is that, but I'm still more along
the lines of, yeah, I've been there, done that, stayed
up all night long, and I get tired.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
I want a good bit.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
I think it's a combo of a lot of that.
But but you know, like I said to date when
I was giving my presentation at that UFO conference, I
talked about how anytime I've had contact with what appear
to be ets, I go, you know, it's usually in
my bedroom and I basically feel like I get put
to sleep mhm, Like I have no control over it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
It's just boom.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
It's like a like a man in black, like time
are mind wiper pen or something like, I don't know you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
I mean, it's kind of a weird one where, uh,
I can't remember you're with us on this one. I
think it was lead Kathy and JT. Maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
But we're hiking downtrail nighttime, like one or two o'clock
in the morning, and you know, we uh see a
huge timber rattlesnake. It was like cold up, it was
massive and like a minute later, now that should have
put us all on the high alert. Uh, we had
some weird activity going on, but like, you know, a

(01:12:45):
minute later, I'm like, yeah, I'm tired.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
I'm gonna just gonna lay here and take a nap. Yeah,
y'all come back and pick me up. And like only
floored them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
It's like heeee, why in the world do you want
to take a nap after we almost stepped on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
A timber rattlesnake.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
For some reason, I just hit the wall, like, man,
I can't go any farther.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
So whether or something, I mean lead to this day
is convinced that something got in my head and wanted
me to wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Me to stop. Yeah, I myself, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
I was tired, but it's kind of odd that, uh
for that big or after you know, almost stepping on
a timber rattlesnake that you should have Yeah, that would
have woken you up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if I'd be able to see.
I probably get in my truck and leave if we
were If there was a timber rattler in the camp
somewhere that that's a that's likek that's a big, a
big nope for me. That's a nope rope. That's what
we call those. I don't mind snakes, but timber rattlers
at camp are not a good idea. You know, I

(01:13:50):
actually have a friend, you know, this is a side
this is like a commercial break year. I have a
good friend of mine. Remember, we've there have been tired,
We've been up in areas where we go do our research.
We run into like random people in the middle of
the night, like vision questing and stuff like that. Right,
And I have a friend who just moved back here
from Alaska and he's he started working from some of

(01:14:11):
those those companies that do that like take out kids
and stuff. Uh, I don't know, I'm not sure what
it's like rehabilitation kind of or something. I don't know,
but they do that. And anyway, I'm leave right there.
I'll tell you in private, okay. Uh, but but they're
out there, And I asked him, I was like, do
you know that where y'all are going there? Or it's
full of like ets stuff. He was like, I don't

(01:14:33):
want to know, but I did almost step on a
timber rattler actually, And it's not exactly what you're talking about, probably,
but I'm just saying up in North Georgia somewhere, and
they are the Six have been really bad this year, actually,
like worse than normal for sure. Yeah, I tend to
I tend to feel like there's some sort of infrasound
or something that is uh kind of pointed towards us

(01:14:56):
and used as an energy weapon if you want to
call it that, towards us crazy campers, crazy bigfooters out
there that kind of lulls us to sleep or I
mean it's yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
It's weird.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
I mean it's it's a subtle energetic but but yeah,
I mean he can interpret it that way because there's
just you know, logically, sometimes you know, we go to
sleep when we really should.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Not be going to sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Yeah, yeah, it makes zero sense whatsoever. And it happens
way more often than you'd think for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Okay, so what about trying to think? What are we
talking about? The little people? Okay? Any other encounters with
the little people? I know we talked about David Pardus.
I mean, what's up with the national parks and little
people and all the cryptids and stuff? If you noticed it,
like there's a high concentration of cryptids in our nation
and our federal lands and our state lands, like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Like on the map that you filden your talk today, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
The missing the missing person's clusters map.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Yes, yeah, yeah, so so Jessica showed some different maps
of the clusters of et sidings, bigfoot sightings, and missing
people and caves and they're almost the same map.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
It's crazy, are you showing that? Now?

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Well, this is just the caves and the missing people,
but there's other maps. They all correlate, they all kind
of yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
I mean that that threw me for Luke when you
showed those other three maps, It's like, yeah, that could
be the same map, but yeah, yeah, et sidings, bigfoot sightings,
and missing people.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
Have you ever ever worried about the whole missing persons saying,
considering we've encountered maybe some portals and you know, we know,
we know about all the cruches out there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Yeah, I mean I used to not really care about it.
Uh just yeah, I was like, yeah, nothing's going to
get me. I'm really badass. I can take care of
us that. But then when it comes down to it,
and if you walk into a portal and the portal
closes behind you, you disappear forever. So yeah, I'm not

(01:17:11):
going to walk into a portal now. Used to joke
about doing it, and it's all right, you know who
has DIBs and army camping gears I think.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
And it wasn't there a protocol that the team came
up with in case we ever encounter a portal?

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Y and like yeah, yeah, we yeah, we have had
a protocol, But then we came up with that protocol
before we actually went into a portal, and we didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Follow that protocol.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Well, you never know what you're going to do until
you're right there doing it. I don't think anybody understood
what was happening that night either. You know, it was
kind of wild.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
I mean, there could be some some bad like like
energy like uh uh, like maybe on a radia radiation,
you know, some kind of energy involved in those portals.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Because both the two guys that I know that went
into a portal did pass away. Uh you know, so
that that gives me casts for concern. But I don't
we're you know five years ago you asked me. I
was like, yeah, I'm going tie the rope around me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
I'm in now. Nope, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
You know, I have kind of and I know Bob
talked about this too before Bob passed away. We always
had our suspicions. I had my suspicions that them encountering
whatever that was might have been partly I'm not saying
it was a total cause, but could have had some
you know, cost of complications to make both of them sick.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, Yeah, that that that sucks. You know,
it's kind of scary conclusion to make. Yeah, I mean,
it's a it's a dangerous field that we're in.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
It comes down to it. Yeah, anything can happen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Not only could we get eaten by a bigfoot or
a dog man or whatever. We can walk into a portal,
but the radiation is a big factor.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
We started carrying Geiger counters, and you know, we'll get
fluctuations and when when weird sulf's going on, then we'll
get ticked on the Geiger counter. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Yeah, Well, and when people, even people that are doing
like ghost hunting and things like that, I mean, it's
there are spikes of radiation when you're ghost hunting. To y'all, Okay,
it's pretty much anything paranormal. When something happens, there's like
a little, a little tiny spike. And if you get
a lot of those spikes, like let's talk about people
that are like doing ghost hunting every night or every
weekend or you know that's our hobby. I mean, y'all,

(01:19:43):
y'all are at risk too. Okay, everybody's at risk, and
I think it's something we need to talk about. And
something else we need to talk about is Yes, that
missing four one one clusters map is very old, brown,
bigfoot dwarf. Yes, And he says, I'll say it again,
that map needs a major update. That map is from
twenty twelve. Imagine all the extra people who have gone
missing since twenty twelve that are not included on that map. Yeah.

(01:20:10):
So I one hundred percent agree. As soon as I
get into your map, I'll start showing that one, okay,
but it gives a pretty good representation of what it
was like in twenty twelve. Okay, it's probably the same.
I mean, it's probably about the same, I would think, Okay,
but I don't know, I don't know what about?

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
What about?

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
I wanted to ask you about some of the stuff
that's happened to you at the Meadow because that's kind
of a hot taber and now a lot of people
ask me, But everywhere every show I've gone on, they
want to know about the Meadow, okay, and what do
you think about that place? And like what are your thoughts?
And you know, we hadn't been there in a minute,
I don't think you. I hadn't seen you there.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
I hadn't been there either, Yeah, I mean it has
has been a while. I kind of well, I've been
there for a lot of it. I think it gets
a little over sensualized. It's it's not as awesome as
it's kind of led on to be. That's I mean,

(01:21:14):
there's some cool stuff going on there, but yeah, I
wouldn't say it's the skin Walker ranch of this out,
but yeah, there's some cool stuff going on and it's
really all tied to Bob, you know. I mean, all
the crazy stuff happened to Bob.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Oh, that's right, that's Bob. That's Bob spot Well I did.
I've had some weird stuff that happened, including me hearing
my own voice yell out time travel. Okay, that that's
by far one of the one of the top three
weirdest things that's ever happened to me out in period
period that happened out there. But there's been some strange
stuff that happened out there, for sure, but it was

(01:21:52):
mostly Bob. Rest in peace to Wilson. Yeah, I missed
me some Bob. Yeah. He was almost like he was
drawn there to have all those experiences for the for
the world, for the rest of us, I guess you
know what I mean, turning into an orb and shooting
across the field and.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
Things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all the weird stuff happen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
With Bob there.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Do you think that when we go out in the field,
like you had mentioned that it was good to have
like a female feminine energy out there, and you guys
are like a bunch of dudes out there, you know,
before I got on your team and Kathy too. Do
you think when we go out places. I tend to
think that it's not only the land that has these
anomalies out there, but it's the people. I think the

(01:22:41):
people are just as important, if not more important, than
the land out there when it comes to having experiences
with cryptids and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
I mean, they'll pick up on the energetics of the group,
you know. So I know it's a group of you know,
people that want to do them armed, they're probably going
to stay away. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
But if it's a group that wants to interact and
be friendly, they're more likely to interact with them. Yeah.
So I've just noticed, I guess my lights on a timer.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
It's really dark in there, y'all. It's either a ra nighttime.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Sorry about that. I think i'd noticed that. Not that
you need to see my ugly wording, way, but start
saying it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Oh my gosh, we were enjoying the light show earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Actually a TV that have like muted so you see
all that flashing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
That's yes, Oh my gosh, Oh my god. We love
that movie. I love that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Andrew and walking lightly is wondering, Uh, just curious any
possible places where you would end up on these portals, Like,
how would it be a different dimension? What do you
think if if we were to walk into one of
these portals, where would we end up?

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Hotly smookes. That is a good question, and I have
no clue.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
All I can say is it would not be of
this world that you know, whether it's another planet moon man,
I don't know. That's a good question, or it could
be just another dimension on this world. That yeah, that's
the million dollar question.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Yeah, you'll end up with a whole bunch of critters
that you probably don't want to be hanging out with.
You might become some something's dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
And as biologists, i'd love to see new critters.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Yeah, but you don't want to You don't want to
become a critters dinner. Okay, definitely not. But you know,
that could be where some of these people are going,
and these national parks and stuff could be just walking
into a portal or something never to be seen again.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Totally makes sense because you know, if they're an environment,
eventually you want to see remains of a skeleton whatnot.
I mean the skeletons last long, long, long time. So yeah,
if there's no if there's no evidence of them. Yeah,
it could be a portal.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
It could be you know, I've gotten some really interesting
remote viewing targets over the past year or two involving
First of all, Barry gave me. He tasked me with
a couple of blind targets of the missing person's clusters
and where those people went and and the data included
mind wipe, kidnapping, taking like an underground facility. I kept

(01:25:21):
telling him. I was like, I feel like I'm at
the Vatican or something like this, guarded like Fort Knox underground.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Yeah, has a big like underground network, right, I guess, so.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
There's a lot of underground networks and stuff. But I said,
people are being taken, experimented on, and disposed of. That's
what I said. And I mean, God forbid the you know,
the controllers, the people in charge of whatever. You know,
humans are accessing some kind of portal technology to have
unsuspecting humans walk into, to put them into some certain

(01:25:54):
program you know, where they are experimented on and maybe
even taking off planet or use experimentation cameras and human
hybrid programs. I don't know, it's limitless.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
I mean, I mean, you.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
Hear rumors that like our government has allowed it, like
to get alien technology. It's like, you know, the trade
off is, yeah, you can take some of our people
in experiment on it. No, it's because you've got cattle mutilations.
But there's also human.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Mutilations that nobody really talks about.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
And I have unfortunately gotten to see pictures of some
human mutes and it's horrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Oh yeah, I've seen those two. Brazil had had a string.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Of them, actually a lot in Brazil. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Yeah, not pretty stuff, okay, And but you know they
say we're just like cattle to the aliens and stuff,
and you know it makes me you know, I always
like to say, like I'm trying to ever be scared.
You know, I don't live in fear, and if I did,
I wouldn't be doing what I do right, neither would you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
I don't go on that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
But yeah, I mean, like if they want to, they
want to take me, and you know, but me, they
can do it. There's that damn thing I can do
about it. No matter how many martial arts I train in,
how many guns I'm carrying, They're going to take.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Me, exactly. So there has there comes a point to
where when we're out there doing what we do. We
either got to be really crazy or just you know,
or just no, just accepting of you know, this is
the trade off for like a potential tradeoff if like
I want to have an experience. We're out there wanted
to have these experiences, you know what I mean, and

(01:27:37):
trying to figure out the mysteries of the world. And
it's almost like we know the danger, but I don't
buy into the fact that that could happen to me,
you know what, I live in delusionally, and sometimes when
it comes to the cryptis, you know, yeah, for.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Me to the potential gain and knowledge outweighs the danger.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
It's like, yeah, I just want to know. I want
to learn things that I got to know how this
everything operates. It's guys, see how it takes and you know,
I died in the process.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
That kind of sucks, but but.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
I want to know. M Yeah, I want to know too,
And that's why we're doing what we do. There's one
place that I went that I'm not a big fan of.
That's caves. Keith, do you go caving?

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Not really?

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
I mean I've done it, you know, with with groups.
I've never done it on my own. And that was
before I started doing researching, So it's more like touristy. Yeah,
you have like Little John's or Big John's Cave, have
done mad and a couple of there's some some caves
in northwest Georgia and Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
I've been in, but that's never really been been my thing.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
You've done a couple where you've seen some Uh, I
think y'all had some what kind of camera did you
have that picked up on some great got some crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
Pictures all the guys that when we went to that
Skinwalker Cave investigation in Tennessee, the guys went way farther
back in the cave than I did. And uh, one
of the guys whistled and something poked his head around
back of the cave as far as I could see,
you know, like a pell crawler. Yeah, and they do
have a video of it actually.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
But yeah, you know, next time you go caving with them,
watch the movie The Descent right before you go.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
I already know I was gonna bring that movie. No, yes,
I do, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
It was really it's really odd because well, you know,
you're you're a biologist, you're really into nature, you know,
way more than I do about stuff. And when we
would that investigation, Uh, the family's chickens were being stolen
out of their chicken pin chicken coop. Pardon me, I
don't know the lingo there, it's the chicken coop.

Speaker 5 (01:29:48):
And uh.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
And there was a big human footprint. It look like
a human. It's probably a big foot. Look at human footprint,
bare footprint beside the chicken coop after one of the
last times the chickens got taken.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
And uh.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
And there was a stick poked in the back of
the thing, and like they had showed the chickens to
the front to open the door and then shut the door.
So it was obviously either like a human, a feral human,
or a bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
So we figured.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
But uh, there was a line of chicken feathers going
into the cave, the cave entrance. So we just assume,
I assumed we were going to get over there to
that cave. We're going to see footprints, track lines where
that chicken had gone, because it was obviously taken against
this will. Okay, And we got over to that cave
and there were no It was all mud on the ground, keys,

(01:30:32):
pure mud.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
It was so thick.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
Our shoes were coming off like that. We we had
to like tie our shoelaces to put on munk boots,
and our feet were getting stuck in that mud. It
was so thick we could not hardly walk in it.
No tracks, no footprints, no nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
And so it kind of told me. I was like, well,
maybe something got in here and it scaled the wall
and took the chicken out. That that's even creepier in
my opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, something big is less creepy and
something that could and climbing everywhere because you got the
deck stairity, yeah, that's yes, we're because you followed the
line of feathers expect to see a footprint and you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
That's yeah, that's that's tough. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
That reminds me of back in uh one of our hotspots.
Uh in the middle of nowhere, Lee and I found.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
A chicken head. It was just laying on the ground.
What Yeah it was.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
It was nobody, no feathers, nothing, just blucket was just
ahead by itself and you know, trying to piece out together.
But yeah, well yeah, well we basically thinking, yeah, probably
that was that pickfoot. He ate the rest of it
and tossed the head. Uh, I don't know, but yeah,

(01:31:53):
there's there's weird, weird stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
That's odd. It's very odd. Matthew Delf has entered the chat.
So Matthew was with us. We just mentioned you earlier
in the show, Matthew showing that video of the orbs
and the turned into aliens. He has been to the
Belwich Cave. Yes, I need to go there. That place
is dangerous, to say the least.

Speaker 4 (01:32:16):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
It was good seeing you today, Matthew, for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Please be safe.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Yes, don't drink too much of that that those drinks
from today. Okay, now that we're gone the Grim Reaper,
that's right, you guys will probably be seeing videos follow
Matthew on Facebook, Okay, drinking not me, okay, but but yeah,
I just found it was really odd though that there
were no tracks, no nothing, And I don't know, and

(01:32:43):
you we hear about uh all the different things that
had live in the caves and and they had had
and I wanted to point out something else, is like
all the cameras around their house they'd put out had
been moved, that had been angled away from the chicken
coop before the chickens went missy. Yeah, it was just
all really weird.

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
Yes, that's definitely something that it would be bipedal humanistic
with the hands that as intelligence to move a camera
around and yeah, yeah that's.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
You have something moved their cameras. That's scared.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
Yeah, yes, it makes me not not want to go caving,
okay at all. You just never know what you're going
to see. Now, we mentioned Don Tart earlier. You mentioned
Don being out there camping when you had the footsteps
and then a flash maybe like a portal opening in
the base camp.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
Don actually has a video or pictures. I think it's
a video of a pell crawler in his driveway in
his driveway, okay, And I've actually stayed at his house
one I when we had the Georgia Bigfoot conference. Yeah,
and some of the guys went over there to he
let us crash on his you know, in his extra
rooms and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
You're up there for the eclipse too, right, No, I
didn't go for that, No.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
But I actually watched. So we were downstairs when we
first got there's really lakes. We've been big footing all
night with Matthew delf by the way, who's in the
chat right now. That cemetery up in North Georgia and
and I think he lives in like South Carolina or
North Carolina. We drove pretty good ways to get into
his house. Probably probably should have just driven home that night.
Actually it was long drive, but we got to his

(01:34:12):
house late, late, late in the night. Son was about
to come up. Actually, and uh, and I was talking
to the guys. We were downstairs, like in the basement.
He's got like a sliding glass door, and they were
telling me about mister John or some guy. I think
they call him mister John or something. And it was
Don's neighbor, and they were telling me how he had
passed away. And they were joking around about a spirit
of doctor of mister John, I think that was his name.

(01:34:34):
And I look over and I thought I saw David
Pardue walk past the window. And I was looking watching
him walk past the window, but he was standing right
beside me and it wasn't him. And I was like,
wait a second, who's outside. They're like nobody. They're like
it's John or whoever, it's their friend.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Ye what they guy looked like.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
David Pardu to me.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
They said they they joked around about how it was
this ghost out there's lots of strange activity. I don't
know how I feel about living out there, not by
myself at least.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Yeah, he's remote. Yeah, there's the nearest neighbors what like
a quarter mile away or something.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
Yeah. Oh yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
Oh, and I wanted to ask you too about you know,
we talked about talk about the troop Herd quarter. You know,
we talk about that area as far as the UFOs
and things go. We talked about that today at the conference.
Are you familiar with the Georgia raptor? Have we talked
about that person? Georgia raptor down there in troop Herd Corridor?

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
Oh? Is that like a big thunderbird?

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
No, it was a dinosaur, like a velociraptor.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
Well if thunderbirds, a lot of people think that that
could be like a Well, so it's a velociraptor.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
So it's not a flying animal.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
Correct, it's a two legged velociraptor.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
Yeah, a big one.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
It's pretty big one.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:35:57):
Yeah, tell me about it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
Okay, Well I've told an audience about it before, but
we'll talk about it real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
A grandfather and his grandson were going hunting on some
private property on some hunting land down there somewhere at
the troopburg quarter and uh, and they got they went out,
it's like three thirty four o'clock in the morning. It
was still dark out of course. And when they got
out in the morning and they went to go set
up and get their hunting, their deer stand or something probably,
and they said there were walking. The story goes they

(01:36:25):
were walking to their where they're they're going to go
set up for the day, and and they heard some
rustling in a bush. So they stopped. They were kind
of in the shadow of a bush or a tree,
and they stopped right there, and they said they saw
a nose come out of the bush and it was
sniffing the air. And then a velost red were just
like on Jurassic World or Jurassic Park, hopped out of

(01:36:45):
the bush and it sat there and it sniffed the
air like it was trying to figure out. It's like
it detected them, and they froze. They didn't move, and
they said it eventually hopped back. It went with the
direction it came from, and they basically took off runt
of it hit the truck never went back.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Yeah. Yeah, that's that's tough.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Well from from a wildlife biologist standpoint, Okay, is that
do you think that's even possible to have dinosaurs like
that today walking around on Earth.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
I'm I'm kind of mixed on that because because you
got the straight up you know, wildlife biologists is pretty straightforward.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
But you know, the more I learned, the more I
see about the X.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
Factors and all the you know, the Big three, you know,
et paranormal and and Bigfoot and all of the cryptids.
That's that's a tough question to ask, but I'm sorry,
a tough question to answer.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
Uh yeah, I'll thank you all.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
A little wild over here.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
I've always been under the mindset that when you deal
with the ocean, like the ocean.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Has changed very little in the past, like one hundred
thousand million years, so it's very.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
Logical to think that, uh, you know, ancient oceanic creatures,
you know, plustosaurs, you know, like you know, black Ness
monster and would survive into ocean rather than on land
because land changes a lot more than the ocean does.
But that said, you know, we're discovering different species every day.

(01:38:25):
You're throwing the factor if some of the stuff can
be intermentional. I mean, you know, you know, I mean
ET could open up portal throwing a veloci raptor in there,
say hey, throw in there and see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
We don't know, but I think for there to be a.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
A velociraptors species that is ongoing, reproducing and maintaining its
species throughout all this time, it's unlikely unless it is
aided by something else. And that's something else would either
be would probably be Yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
A great answer, actually.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Rambling, but yeah, the point is, like.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
Things out all roads lead back to ET. That's what
we always hold us, right, yeah, they do. It's no joke.
The really it's like we're in a laboratory, right. But
also we got the whole aspect of like the dimensional
overlay two, right, or like one dimension crossing another or something.
You know, I don't know how that works. But you know,

(01:39:32):
if all time is happening now, the past, the president
in the future, and time is but an illusion.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
Yeah yeah, I mean time is ore, then you know
there can be something occurring a million years ago occurring
right now, and that's where the lost of Raptor came from. Uh,
that's a it's another mind boggling.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
Oh yeah, Oh, the more we learn, the more we
learned that we do not know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
We don't know crap exactly. Okay, I've got another question.
While we're on the topic of like reptiles and stuff,
what about dragons. What do you think about dragons? That
is a hot topic. I've been I've been really touching
on a good bit.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
No, I mean, like like you've been like seeing the
evidence of petrified dragons. That's pretty pretty cool, you know
for me, you know, dragon, whether the fire breathing or not,
I don't know, but it's just a dinosaur basically.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
Yeah. I mean it's con semple that you know.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
If they can create the combustible chemicals in their throat, yeah,
it's conceivable that that they could fire.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
And I'm assuming you're talking about fire breathing dragons or
you're just talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:40:52):
Yeah, dragons, and you know, and as far as the
flying goes, and it all comes down to how big
they are, you know, like you know what we see
in the movies. You know when you look at the body,
the wing ratio, Yeah, that thing's not gonna fly.

Speaker 5 (01:41:08):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Yeah, But let's get in the movies.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
Like Okay, what about this, guys, you real quick? What
about t Rex? Some people say that t Rex have
those little tiny arms because there actually were wings. They
had wings. Can you imagine a t Rex flying?

Speaker 4 (01:41:23):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
I mean the wings would have to be just so
incredibly massive.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
That'd be something that would block out the whole sky probably, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
So I mean there's physics that you gotta gotta gotta fight. Yeah,
you gotta do with physics. I always got to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
Keith.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
Keith brings us back down to Earth, y'all. He's here
to bring us back down to Earth. To be logical, Okay,
I like to be speculative.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
And then there's also you know, like you know, dragons
can be ancient spaceships that chout lasers and that's the
flame coming out of their mouth, and they had wings.
You know, there's there's always that that theory that you know,
people were explaining spaceships. It's like, yeah, it's a dragon
flying around.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
Yeah. I mean there's there's a lot of different things
these it could be. But I just feel like there
were dragons.

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
You know, when you look at and when we have
the Fopslize records, you know, for something to fly that
that's big, you think, uh, you know, your your pterodactyls
and so you like the pterodactyl wasn't all that huge,
but but they had a pretty big wing to body ratio.
But when you're looking at you know, these massive, massive dragons,

(01:42:41):
yeah they want I find it highly unlikely that they
would be flying, and yeah, t Rex would be one.

Speaker 1 (01:42:47):
I was like, there's no way flying t Rex. Okay, Well,
you know I just did a show this week on Thursday,
I did a was that show? Oh this third three
I atlases towards Earth, but it's not going to hit Earth, right,
It's like some interstellar hostile alien spacecraft allegedly, okay, but
there's no doubt they say that there is something headed

(01:43:09):
this way. I wonder how it's going to be hostile.

Speaker 3 (01:43:12):
But that was the like the seven mile long space
How would you make a spaceship look like a rock?
Or are you trying to like disguise yourself or that?

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
That was what you about that?

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
Well, to me, it's like I feel like the joke's
always on us. You know, there's always a joke on us,
And it's like, well, hey, let's make the general public
think it looks like a poop okay, and how funny
is that?

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
Or it may not look like that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
It looks like basically an oblong asteroid.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean the question becomes, if that's
a spaceship, why would you make your spaceship look like
an asteroid?

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
Are you trying to? Yeah, you know, make it look
like an asteroid?

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
So people are going to be unaware of it, given
that you have all this technology where you can cloak
yourself anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
You know, what's the point.

Speaker 1 (01:44:07):
Exactly? I know, it's uh, it's interesting. It's interesting. We're
all keeping an eye on it, though, we definitely are.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
When's it supposed to come in our solar system?

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
They gave us the countdown of November.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
Five oh soon, so five months away.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
What are what are the chances? I know, all right,
get your affairs and order, y'all, get your get your supplies,
get ready to get your laser guns and stuff. I
don't know, uh, what are the what are the odds
of hostile hostile aliens coming from outer space to take
over our planet in November?

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
Yeah? I mean, well, I guess the question would be.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
If aliens show up what are the odds that they're
going to be hostile versus benign.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
Fifty?

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
I don't know, you never know. Just prepare. Don't live
in fear, live in awareness. Okay, yeah, get your get
your alien spacesuit ready, and get ready to fight, fight
till the death. Well okay, so this is kind of odd,
but like I somehow transitioned pretty smoothly into from removing

(01:45:17):
the three eye atlas into gryffins. Don't ask me how,
but it worked.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
And uh.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
And so we were talking about griffins, and that's another
thing that was Actually it could be like a camera
of some sort. You know what a griffin is, right,
it's like a mixture of.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
The griffin is.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
When you look from pure zoological standpoint, Uh, it's a
I guess it's mammal with a bird head, four legs,
and two wings.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:45:46):
And when you when you look at all the other mammals,
you know, we don't see six legged or mammals with
six appendedes.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
So for me, I have a hard time with that. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
I would like to see some other animal that that
does have another mammal that has six appendages.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
And uh, as far as I know, I don't I
can't come up with it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
So you know that in course, you know, an hour
ago I was talking about how I believe in mythology,
but sometimes that quite fit.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
I'm on the fence on griffins. But yeah, it's cool
animal regardless. But uh.

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
Yeah, I mean they would have won one won the lottery.
You know, they have no fore legs where they can
you know, run fast on the ground and wings to
make them fly.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
But you know, again when I.

Speaker 3 (01:46:40):
See a picture of a griffin, because wings are way
too small that they carry something that you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
Know, that heavy. But then there's also, uh, I guess we're.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
Somebody today was talking about Mothman and how Mothman when
people see man.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Fly, he does not flap his wings.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
He just glides.

Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
So yeah, so there's and when you have accounts to that,
that's yeah, that's sure exactly how that happens, if there's
some kind of propulsion evolved or there's anti gravity involved.
Uh but but typically you know, when you're you know,
looking at aerodynamics, you know, unless you have something propolling

(01:47:26):
you forward, you got to have the wings flap it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
So I don't know how he would fly without flapping between.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
Well, there wasn't. Actually, there are fossil records of something
called a Proto serratops. I had to look it up
while you were talking. We talked about that, and it
does look like it almost looks like a lion with
the man with wings. It's some like a dinosaur kind of,
but it looks like it looks like what a griffin
would look like. And they say they're from They say,

(01:47:55):
there's actually they found a some fossils of a proto
sarahtops with a velociraptor in a battle and the velost
raptor was like eating it. They said, the velost raptor
was winning the battle. Let's just say but yeah, they say,
and it's in that area that It's so weird because
ginghis con ended up being in my my remote viewing

(01:48:15):
data okay for that three I atlas, and we just
got into that conversation and then his you know, his region,
the Mogul Mogul Empire, Mongolian Empire, and and got into
I just kind of seamlessly went into the griffins, okay,
talking about that because that was in that area and
making all sorts of connections.

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
It was wild.

Speaker 1 (01:48:37):
But however, I don't know could it. Could there be
some kind of crisper should I say on a saying crisper?

Speaker 4 (01:48:46):
Can weip you up?

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
A Griffin? Ride up? Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:48:49):
Because there are.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
Of a part of Sarahtops that had six appendages that
that's crazy. I mean I'll be looking that up for
sure and take a look at that. But yeah, I
mean there's fossil records and then you know that would
make me change my stance on Griffins for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:49:09):
Wow, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
It's just something to think about, you know. I just
I feel like with all the people I have on
my shows, the research that we do and field experience,
it seems like there's almost like, I mean, I've questioned, like,
could there be a Jurassic World, a Jurassic park on
a remote island somewhere where scientists are whipping up whipping

(01:49:32):
in the kitchen, wibbing up some t rexs and why not.

Speaker 3 (01:49:39):
Look at like Greek mythology, all these minotaurs and tours,
all all these weird animals that seem to be like
genetically modified uh animals across with humans. So yeah, so
you know, probably it was et doing that, and now

(01:50:00):
we probably developed technology somewhere we could do it too.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
Yeah, so yeah, I think it's conceivable.

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
Yes, there are some wacky, wacky scientists out there, and
of course we go back to like project paper.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
I mean, but when you think about like animal human
experiments too, like hybrids and cameras, you know, it just
it's an interesting topic and it seems to be a
really popular topic of discussion actually, especially on the Crypti
Hunter's channel. We talked about it a good bit and
you know, and that's something that I've even wondered too,
is like, are some of these people that are going
missing if they're being experimented on, what if they're like

(01:50:39):
taking somewhere and they're like made into like cameras and
stuff like they're using them to you know. Okay, this
is another this is kind of another avenue. Real quick,
we won't be here all night. I'm exhausted. I've had
the longest day ever. Okay, but but I do want
to get your thought on this, Okay before we go tonight.
There was a time where we were talking about we
were discussing some strange deaths, some suspicious deaths that happened,

(01:51:02):
and thank you Cryptonville. This is an awesome discussion. Thank you.
We were talking about some suspicious deaths that happened of
unspecified animals or you know, canine attacks or like unspecified
where people died. Okay, And and I was tasked with
two of those that happened like on the same area
as remote viewing targets, and the same word came up

(01:51:24):
in both. It was like zombie bear, zombie bear, and
it was just kind of odd, and I was kind
of embarrassed to talk about it publicly, right, But then
a viewer of mine sent me a link to a
video and it said it was like Israeli news and
they were talking about how our government had asked for
funding to discontinue a program that was a super soldier program.
This is real stuff, real talk. And they were combining somehow,

(01:51:50):
they were like combining like wolf bear and Lion DNA
into super soldiers. They were dropping them out. This is
you can find the you know, documentation of this. They
were trying to discontinue the program though, because it had
gotten out of control.

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
I don't know you ever watch South Park. Yes, it
was like I think an episode or man Bear Pig, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
That that comes up quite often in the chat. Okay,
it does come up quite often, man, bear pig for sure.
So uh but but but you gotta wonder, like I wonder,
this is what I think about, you know, did from
what I what I what I understand was in this
video that I watched, was like, well, it was almost

(01:52:36):
like human animal hybrids is what these people had become,
and they became more animalistic. They were driving them off
around the world in pairs and male female pairs, and
they were like in places like national parks and one
of the places they dropped them off wasn't to be.

Speaker 2 (01:52:50):
Able to die a bible uh uh. Community, Yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
I mean, it's just one more thing we have to
worry about and we go out in the woods. Yeah,
how to protect your neck, you know what I mean.
But uh but it's just it's not it's not just
animal crimers. They're they're trying to combine animals and humans
to be weapons. I mean, any anything can be webinarzed, right, Keith, Yeah, yeah,

(01:53:17):
super soldiers. I don't know, you're quite a super soldier yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
You're a man of all trades for real, you really are,
and a master of like all of them. Okay, that's
very rare for real. But but man, this is this
has been a fantastic discussion and I really enjoyed having
you on tonight. So yeah, well I was asking, I
was asking the tough questions tonight. I hadn't seen you
on the show in a while, so we're seeing here's

(01:53:41):
another thing. We're on my channel. I can we can
talk about whatever we want over here. Yeah, okay, and
it's not doesn't have a time time restraint constraint.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
Yeah, I didn't know that there was no time re strange.
I thought we had an hour. That's why I was
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
I knew, I knew that's what was happening, but I
didn't want to say anything. I knew I got to
tell you, like you buck lugs, we're gonna be here
for a couple of hours tonight. I didn't tell you that.
I'm sorry I forgot. But yeah, my other shows were
like an hour max or fifty minutes or something. The
first show I did, so I don't know, Keith, this
is this is really cool and U and I appreciate
you being at the conference with me today and you're

(01:54:18):
you're very supportive of you know, of me and of
our team and things like that. And I do appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
I mean, you're a great speaker, great podcasters. Yeah, it's
easy to support something that is awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
Well, thank you. I do appreciate it. And uh yeah,
it's uh, it's just we just have a lot of
fun out there and uh and it's yeah, I mean
I don't know where do you where do you see
our research going in the future? What do you think?
Are we gonna keep on? You're you gonna keep on
going getting out there and researching and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:54:48):
I need to get out more than I've been doing lately. Uh,
we've been kind of stagnant rather though I have. Yeah,
e RG hadn't really been doing a whole lot it
supposedly been. And but yeah, you need to get out more.

Speaker 1 (01:55:07):
Oh yeah, well I'm gonna I'm gonna drag you out
with my other team, my new team with the young
guys that go out and hunt dog men and stuff. Well,
maybe we will take you if you feel like going
out with us, you'd be you'd be a perfect fit.
Cool going out there and uh yeah, and it's right
up your alley. They like to go out. We go
out and there when it's five thousand degrees outside. Okay,
so we're used to it already, but nonetheless, Yeah, thank you,

(01:55:32):
Tim Offman, thank you everybody. This has been a really
fun show tonight and a very interesting And Keith is
one of the most qualified bigfoot researchers. If anybody's qualified
to talk about real animals and sasquatch and been out
there in the field for longer, just about anybody I
know doing this, it's Keith. You're the true legend. And
that's the thing, Like, you don't go public that much

(01:55:53):
with it, you know, like I I have, I have
bribe you. Basically I didn't bribe you, but you know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:55:58):
I'm like you, I've ever.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
Done, You're probably going to whatever will do well.

Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
I I appreciate that, and uh, you know, and and
I'm often telling the audience, you know, it's the people
that you don't hear about and you don't see that
much that are really out there doing some major work
and they don't You're not looking for any kind of
accolades for it, or I just.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
Want to learn.

Speaker 1 (01:56:21):
Well, yeah, and uh, and it is important, you know.
And this is why we keep things private. A lot
of things that we do private because the research can
get kind of ruined, you know, if if people start
finding out our spots and stuff like that. So, yes,
so anyways, I'm gonna keep my mouth shutting on that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
Yeah, some researchers want to.

Speaker 3 (01:56:42):
Get the famine fortune and you become the expert in
all areas before you know it, research areas ruined. To me,
people know about it, they start exaggerating your findings and
lose credibility.

Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
Yeah, so avoid that trap, just.

Speaker 3 (01:56:59):
Kind of your own and people believe you, they believe that,
they don't they don't know who cares.

Speaker 1 (01:57:05):
Oh my gosh. Well, well we're we're gonna keep on
keeping on. And I'm all about my entigrity man, and
uh and I know you are too, and and so yeah,
if anybody's ever wondering why you know not, I don't.
I don't talk about I don't y'all never go here.
Everything that happens to us out there, because we do
have our team that I'm on with Keith is very private, okay,
and but things are important. It will eventually come out.

(01:57:27):
Like that that grid thing tonight. I never talked about
that publicly before.

Speaker 2 (01:57:30):
Yeah, that's cool. You need to talk about that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:34):
That yeah, okay, Well, Keith, I know you are not public,
like we just said. I usually asked my guests to say, hey,
promote anything, you got any books, any kind of website
or anything. But you're just kind of chilling man for
all that, right, I got nothing. Kei's got nothing, y'all nothing.
But but it's because he's a busy man, and this

(01:57:56):
is not you know, this is a this is a
it's fun for keys here. You know, all of us.

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
RG might still have a website up.

Speaker 3 (01:58:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:58:03):
I haven't bothered to check it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
See yeah, I think you took that down. But you
do have some DVDs and stuff too. You guys made
some interesting, really good yeah stuff and tracking videos.

Speaker 3 (01:58:16):
Yeah yeah, Bigfoot tracking instructional DVD.

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
Now I think you got some. So if somebody wants
to buy them hunters, I got something.

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
Yeah, you'll want a video, we will, we will give them.
We'll not gonna give them away because they spend a
lot of time on those things DVDs.

Speaker 2 (01:58:35):
Fifty dollars worth of jewelry gets you get you a DVD?
How about that?

Speaker 1 (01:58:41):
Would you say fifty dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
The jewelry or it should be one hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
Give me a magnet. How about that a video and
a magnet? Fifty dollars, man, I mean it is worth it. Listen,
it's a tracking video. It's one of the best bigfoot
tracking videos you're gonna find out there when it comes
to great because it's not crib did it's big focus. Also,
is anything any kind of animal, any kind of human.
It's human dragging is just is very important because.

Speaker 2 (01:59:07):
It prin regardless of what you Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh
my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:59:13):
Well okay, so anybody is interested, and I know I
don't have a couple of friends that have enquired about
those videos before. Okay, so yeah, next time you come
to an event, you need to bring some and uh
table and sell them.

Speaker 2 (01:59:25):
Don't you have a case?

Speaker 1 (01:59:27):
I have a box of them somewhere. Yeah, uh down
in the down in the garage somewhere, there're some for sure. Yeah.
I got some couple of plastic bags full of them. Okay,
but but anyways, well, Keith, thank you so much for
being here. Man, please come back and see us. Okay,
we will. Well you, guys, I hope everybody enjoyed the
show tonight, and I want to thank everybody for being

(01:59:47):
here and to think all my moderators for just being
awesome and oh my goodness, thank you Skip, Skip late,
but great show. Thank you, Skip, You're the best I
saw you were at a gig tonight. I hope it
went well and uh and thank you so much for
being here. And uh and thank you also. Oh oh,
we have one question that I skipped over because I started.
Can we asked this real quick? Angelie wanted to know

(02:00:09):
do we ever use mirrors in our investigations? No, we
never do stuff like that, do we. We have new
experiments like that.

Speaker 3 (02:00:17):
I used mirrors, but not in the way that she
would be thinking. I use it and when I'm tracking
to get lighting on the different print. But yeah, that's
not what she's asking. But that's the only time I
use a mirror and to look at myself.

Speaker 1 (02:00:31):
Put on your apply or make our war paint. We
put on our war paint with our with our our
camera as far as.

Speaker 2 (02:00:36):
Like and under a paranormal uh standpoint, I don't use mirrors.

Speaker 1 (02:00:41):
Uh uh.

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
I know people with that, dude, but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:00:46):
That's just not Yeah, no, we don't. We don't really
do that very much. But but yeah, it is good
and it's good to have a mirror in your like
a compact mirror and your survival kit, your your roke
sack in case you get lost, and like they're you know,
you can get somebody's attention by shining it towards put
it towards the sun and reflecting the sun of It's
it's good, good idea to have one. Okay, but anyways, okay,

(02:01:08):
thank you Angelique, thank you Skip for the supersticker, and
thank you so much Margaret for the supersticker in Midwest
Night Wadger, thank you for gifting the memberships tonight, and
thank you for being a member of the Hunt Club
for all these months. I do appreciate it so much.
And you guys please come back and see me. I'm
going to sleep all day tomorrow, okay, and I'm so tired.
I have been going non stop since early one. I've

(02:01:31):
spoken at a conference, I've driven for thousand miles a day,
and so I'm forbid. Okay, y'all, but I'll be back
on Monday. You guys, come back and see me on
Monday at one pm Eastern. I will have a live
show next week will probably be the last time I
have a longer show during the day because my son
goes back to school here pretty soon. Okay, So y'all

(02:01:52):
come and join us on Monday, and until then, everybody,
have a great night. I hope y'all all learn something,
and please stay safe out there. Don't live in fit keys,
you don't live in fear. Say hell no, we don't
live in fear.

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
Cowards for Cowards's right.

Speaker 1 (02:02:08):
I pity the fools. Pity to fools. And yeah, well, Keiths,
have a great night, y'all, stay safe, keep your head
on a swivel. Don't live in fear, live in awareness.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
Okay, Jorge, thanks you watch anybody all right?

Speaker 1 (02:02:20):
Thank you? Ken, come back and see us very sad. Okay,
I'm gonna I'll drag you back on the show in
the next few months, I swear I will. Okay, all right, bye, everybody,
have a great night. See ya.

Speaker 5 (02:03:06):
So it's it's, it's, it's, it's. It's it's it's it's
it's

Speaker 2 (02:03:25):
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