The Not-Deer of the Appalachians: Skinwalkers, Deformities and Diseases

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Speaker 1 (00:57):
Well, good afternoon, everybody. It's the Croup Huntress. I'm Jessica Jones,
and man, do we have a very interesting show today.
I was just thinking in my head before before we
went live, I was thinking, man, we're talking about the
not deer today. Could somebody have come up with a
better name than the not deer? Oh my god, I
don't know why that's so funny to me. However, this

(01:20):
is this is a serious topic, y'all, serious topic, and
it is one of the creepier cryptids of the appellations.
And actually it's not just in the Appellations. We have
not deer all over the place, and we're going to
be getting into that today. If you guys are not
familiar with the not deer, have you ever seen a

(01:40):
deer didn't look quite like a deer? That might be
a not deer, y'all. And sometimes they have eyes on
the facing front like a predator, not like on the
side of their heads like a normal deer. Sometimes they
have strange legs and extra joints, and sometimes they're walking
on two legs and peeking in your windows at night. Okay,

(02:04):
so please put curtains and blinds up on your windows.
I am a huge proponent of that, and if you don't,
you might have some bigfoots, dog men, and now not
deer looking in your windows at night. So so you guys, gosh.
I have my good friend Barry Littleton here with me today.
He has done some pretty extensive research on some diseases

(02:25):
and viruses that some of these deers may have that
could be an explanation for what the not deer are. However,
I don't think that's the case for all of them,
and in my opinion, they could actually some of them
might be skin walkers. I'm only going to say that
name once today. We're going to go to the s
walker after that. But nonetheless, there's a lot to discuss today,

(02:49):
and so we are about to get to it, y'all.
I hope everyone had a wonderful Easter yesterday, if you
celebrate Easter. I was so swamped from the minute I
woke up yesterday morning to my son being excited about
his Easter basket and all the goodies the Easter Bunny
brought him until late last night when I finally got home.
After two family dinners, two Easter egg hunts, and a

(03:12):
lot of driving yesterday, it was a very long day.
So uh, but nonetheless, it was a great Easter, and
I hope you guys had a wonderful one as well.
And you know, I was exhausted, but getting to see
the family and everything was worth it. And getting to
watch my son find easter eggs was a lot of
fun with all his cousins. So that's what it's all about, y'all.

(03:34):
That's not what it's all about, but it's what it
was fun. It was fun and uh and so so yeah,
so let's oh, by the way, Saturday night we had
a wonderful show. We had Greg Smith here of Backwoods
Cryptids up in North Georgia. If you guys missed that show,
I didn't get to advertise it yesterday because I was
so busy at Easter, So please go back and check

(03:55):
that show out. Greg is he hoot, He is a who.
He was so much fun to have on the show.
So I've got to get him back on soon. So
but anyways, if y'all miss it, please go back and
watch that. We talked about the dog Man reports that
he's gotten from up in North Georgia, and we correlated
that with what we talked about the Saturday before with
Kenny star Fox when he came on the show with us.

(04:16):
So all right, if you guys would like to get
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(04:37):
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(05:00):
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You guys mean the world to me. Okay, well, but

(05:21):
let's get to our show today because I can't wait
to talk about the not deer. Okay, So and this
are we're gonna kind of focus on the ones in
the Appalachian Mountains today and I'm gonna actually have some
maps I'm gonna show you guys of because we're gonna
talk a little bit about the chronic wasting disease and
we're gonna see we're gonna see the correlation of where

(05:42):
the chronic wasting diseases are in relation to these not
deer because it kind of blew my mind when I
saw that map today, I was like, hmm, okay, So
the not deer they often move like a newborn deer.
And like I said earlier, if you've ever seen a
deer that it didn't look quite right. It looks like
a deer from a distance, but then when you get

(06:04):
up to it, it doesn't act like a deer. But
they move like a newborn deer with extra long legs.
Some appear to be double jointed. Their eyes sit towards
the front of their heads like a predator, instead of
the sides like a typical deer. They're typically not afraid
of humans, and some report an uneasy feeling like there's
an intelligence or emotion about them and that something is

(06:27):
totally off about them. They do walk on two legs sometimes,
and they will chase you if you approach them. Now,
are they merely deformed deer? Are they diseased? Or could
they be an s walker or something else? Well, of
course I have my good friend Barry Lilton here in

(06:48):
the studio with me today. We're going to talk about
all of this today. And Barry is a fantastic researcher.
If you guys haven't already, please go to his YouTube
channel it's called Barry Lyttleton and subscribe and join his
Patreon on and please help me. Welcome to the show,
my good friend, mister Barry's little too very I know

(07:10):
you're excited about this.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
One, well, so of Jessica. You know, I think now
referred to myself as a as a not negro. I'm
a melody dominant, you know, is not dear.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Language.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
So I'm a meloded dominant. I'm a.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Oh my god, it's all in the language. And about that,
I couldn't could there not be another name for this
other than a not deer. It's weird.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I don't. I don't know now now, be honest. On
a serious note, I'm not I'm not, you know, really
heard about this particular aspect of the phenomenon concerning deer.
As far as like these uh mutated whatever you just
dear high spiders doun't e looking things, I've not heard
about that. But concerning chronic wasting disease and what used

(08:08):
to be you know that started off as a mad
col disease and then mad deer disease. And when I
talked about mad deer disease back in the nineties, people
got laughed at me. Right around two thousand, I started
hearing about that, and you know, people's are tripped on
on mad cow disease. You've got the red ring and
these other things that are these prion diseases which are

(08:31):
like a type of a proteon or a protein actually,
and I've made some you know, suggestions that I think
that some of these prion proteins come from space and
that the organisms that are on the collective conscious level
and declare war upon humanity and earth. That's what I

(08:52):
kind of think. But that's we'll go into that later.
But going back to the deer thing. Now, where I
come from, there is these stories of what's called the
deer woman, all right, and the deer woman was u
supposedly the Native American state a lot of a lot

(09:12):
of tribes where I come from, And in this one
city they have these dances like once a year, okay,
And during the dances, all different tribes in the state
come and they say that sometimes the deer, the deer
people come, the deer women they come. They have these
skirts that man, they wait, they wear these like these

(09:36):
wrap boots things, and they've got these skirts that hide
their hoofs. And then they get to dance and sometimes
and it exposes them and they like jump away. That's
why it was always described to me if they get discovered,
but they would come to these pow wows. That's what
I was told then, professor of mine, And he was gosh,

(10:00):
I remember what that? What? What? What tribe? He was?
Honestly he was a prick doctor shall He was well
known doctor Jerry Shaw Anyway, he uh, I got to
I was talking to him one day after class. I said,
what can you tell me about the deer woman. He
was pretty much an expert in all his tribes legends

(10:20):
and Native American folklore altogether. But he had said that
the stories he had heard not just the pow wows,
but there was also deer women that went to the clubs.
Sometimes they would come into some of those little cities
and go to the clubs, and they would get men,
and to get men outside and trample them like the

(10:41):
way a deer trample somebody like, seduced the man and
once they got him outside or secluded, they trampled him
like a deer would.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Oh my god, having.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Him selfish desire, sexual desires and such and such. That's
the story with doctor told me. So anyway, just thought
on that, when dealing with these deer people and deer creatures,
I think it's quite interesting. You know.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Wow, Well, that's that's kind of terrifying a little bit.
It sounds like some kind of weird urban legend or
something in a way. And of of course, these stories
of the deer people are all mythological, right oral tradition,
things that are passed down. Some of them are cautionary tales,
you know, that's that's what it sounds like. But I

(11:24):
don't know. I mean, there's actually a video and I
found it, but it was like I couldn't upload it
for some reason. But there's a video that you can
find online, but looks like a woman. And I remembered
her looking like a deer, and and she's walking out
from behind a tree and she's kind of tiptoeing out
and then.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
She kind of you sitting there with me, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Okay, but she has a tail like a long tail,
but she has feet like a deer like hooks. Do
you remember do you remember what she looked like?

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah? Kind of you know. Now you know, we've got
the whole CGI thing going on with just ruined everything. Oh,
we don't call it that anymore. Let me get it
right A I think. So it's hard to tell what's
fake and what's not. But that was an interesting one,
you know, and we started dealing with things even like

(12:16):
per SE. I know some of you remote viewing data
you've gotten PAN type of creatures, and Pan looked like
a cross between what a deer and mister spot a
vulcan kind of right.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's that that video. What the first
time I saw that video of that woman who was
like a woman hybrid of some sort some kind of
like a fay or a deer. She like a deer
woman to me, I thought that was a CGI, But
I don't know. Like the more I was like, this
might be real. But then how would somebody get that video? Though?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Too?

Speaker 1 (12:53):
It's like.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
It was bizarre and more bizarre is if you look
for it, it's probably not around anymore.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, well I found it on TikTok. It's on TikTok.
You can always find it there. Yeah, I was there.
I found it. I actually found it last night when
I was kind of thumbing through looking for deer people.
I was looking for deer people after I had spent
my whole day and I was exhausted and I was
laying in bed. I was like, I want to do
not deers. Tomorrow, We're going to do not deers and

(13:23):
so yeah, I was definitely scrolling through looking for you
know that, I was looking for the Dear Woman video
actually last night, and I found it, but I couldn't
I couldn't upload it and stuff, and I figured people
could just go find it if y'all want to look
for it.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
So you know, genetically speaking, what I'll do Homo sapiens
have genetically in common with deer. I'm just curious if
there's anything, you know, something like to where when it
comes to cattle mutilations, you can kind of connect a
couple of things with cows and humans a little bit.

(13:57):
You know, it's a little far out, but there's a
connection there, you know, kind of like bovine and things
like that. But I mean, it's it's just very interesting
when you start dealing with that. I wonder if there
any is any connection because when I just asked that,
not to be completely stupid, but in terms of what
you discovered also in the data, not just what rumor is.
But I tend to go a little bit on the data.

(14:19):
We've done all those remote viewing shows, and it comes
up with not just the ones you've done with me,
but the ones you've done with others. These these these
these labs that are making basically the word he always
used this chimera now, but these mutations, these labs that
are doing that. So what was all compatible between deer
and humanity and humans?

Speaker 1 (14:41):
That's curious.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
I know there's somebody in the audience probably way out
of my league over my pay rate.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
That's a really good point. And do you remember you
and I did that show with Jeremiah Fountain who shout
out to Jeremiah. He sent me an Easter message yesterday.
I was so sweet him. Yes, he's He's wonderful. Like Jeremiah.
We did that show with him where he was telling
us about his dad's friend. It was his neighbor who
had run into a horse human. It was like a

(15:10):
horse human hybrid, a huge one out on his property.
And remember he said to how much it changed that man.
He was like a Vike. He had a Norse background,
Viking or something, and he was like a Viking. And
he went from having like bright blonde hair to like
having all white hair or something. It was like it
completely changes life because it was so disturbing what he found.

(15:31):
And it seems like I got that data because I
had remote viewed that for him. I feel like the
data was like some kind of animal human hybrid or something.
Do you remember I can't even I can't recall that.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I remember that it was really interesting because you know,
I'd only heard about something like that a few times
and never did that detail that reminds me. You know,
there was a picture I was going to send you
almost or two weeks ago, and it was so odd.
It's a picture that came to my feed and it
was from I don't remember this like that, but it
was a representation of the old cartoon Brave Star, and

(16:03):
it is a horse warrior. He's in it's a horse,
but it's human form but in this like warriors, uh
metal type of outfit and standing up with this thing
and some sort of I guess it was one of
the characters. I mean, I didn't watch Brave Star, to
be honest, but but it must be, you know what

(16:25):
I mean. I just foundation is had that that that
represent representation of human horse hybrids doesn't come up very
often that I had heard of before that outside of
the Senatar, the sinatar was represented as being something like that,
and the Minitar is slightly different. Mintar is supposed to
be more.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Of a bull, right, centaur is a bull? I think yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:50):
The bottom was was.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
A was a man in the head of a bull,
wasn't it. I think I know a lot minars.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
And the body of a man. The centaur sentinaur. It's
got the body of a human and then the or
the upper top and the bottom torso is like a
horse animal. Yeah. Yeah, that's my understanding anyway. But I'm
not an expert on anything, but I always liked because

(17:24):
it was represented sindbad movies and then Doctor Who Tom
Baker era there was these creatures called the nyebobs and
it looked ridiculous. There are these caps on these platforms
and these are supposed to be hoof's, so they walked
around like that with the guitards. But it was just funny.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Oh my gosh, you know, you know, I was just
thinking when you gave me that remote viewing target of Atlantis, right,
didn't you give me that one? And when I was
remote viewing it, I was clearly seeing it horse headed humans.
I remember that specific.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
You know, that's right. And then then we connected that.
I think to uh, isn't aren't those those statues underwater
of minotaurs? There's one where is that?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
I don't remember, but I do remember seeing that somewhere
and some people were like, oh, well, this could be
when you look up when you google or duck duck go.
You know Atlantes those pictures will come up and there's
the pictures of like a sunken city and there's a
minotaur or whatever, some kind of like or centaur, whatever
you want to call it. It's the bullheaded human. He's

(18:34):
got horns and everything. It was down there. So that's
that's a picture that comes up.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Didn't that movie with David Bowie have a pretty good
illustration of that too. Wasn't there a mintaar in that labyrith?
I know on there was, and the menatar was supposed
to be an elaborth right, And you know, those labyrinths
sound like a real elaborate way of disguising, like Island
of Doctor Moreau or sacrificial sacrificial island of SubTime. It's

(19:03):
a bunch of mazes. You know. It's very interesting when
looking at that type of thing and when really examining
Greek mythology, you know, so it's quite fascinating some of
those those beings and creatures that came and the explanation
from where some of them come through come from is insufficient.
It sounds like lab experiments and this whole thing the

(19:24):
earth is a lab.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
I can get on that.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
And and it's it's creepy because I know, I mean,
I know there's a lot of testimony right now people
say they've encountered such and I'm not saying all it's
not true, Jessica, but I have to take it with
a grain of grain of salt because a lot of
there's so much right now in this in these fields,
there's so much delusional people that are attracted to it
and just plain liars, okay, that we have to use

(19:52):
so much discernment. You know that it's it's it's it's unreal.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
And so you know, time to use the serment, no
matter what, always always use the sermon. There's so many
it's so funny as everybody in that. There's so many
people put making up like not making up name, what
kind of making up names? Like what else can we
call the no deers?

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Right?

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Or the not deers? I can't even say it right,
it's near it's near nearly a deer, okay.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
There's if you guys have your you know, ideas, you'll
put them in the chat. That's hilarious. I'm having a
good time looking at all this, but you're also put
that the TikTok you guys want to click on this,
you can see that video we're talking about it that woman,
it's not a woman woman. It's probably c G I
or AI, but it looks like a deer woman with
a long like a tail. And I think Leah in

(20:42):
the chat said.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Four years ago, would you say three for you? Now?

Speaker 1 (20:47):
I don't know. Probably, I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
The day of c G I for that error, right
A I for that error.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yes, that's right, Yeah, it is for sure.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
The other day was so this is something we just
conventioned this. We were trading pictures by messenger and I
had sent you several that were they came through my
feed on I get these weird feeds that come through,
but it was these pictures of supposeden cryptid beings and
some of them looked really good, and so I put
them all through that the best AI scanner thing that

(21:21):
I've found so far that we'll bust some of these pictures.
I started putting all of them through and they all
failed except for like two pictures. There's like twelve of
them except for two pictures, and one was that really
skinny dog man looking thing, and the other one was
the dog man with the really long it looked like
extended arms. I can believe that one didn't scan this

(21:43):
as Ai, but the other one I was kind of
trip it out on that. And I can think, is okay,
maybe it's just a prompt somebody put up, and that's
why I didn't go as ai. But otherwise to think
that that might possibly be a potentially real picture, didn't
you think that was a nerving looking like emancipated.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
And yeah, it looks emaciated. It looked like it was.
I mean, and if you know, I think there are
some legitimate pictures of dog men out there, I really do.
And uh and I but for somebody to get that
close up of a dog man, to get a picture
like that, it just it makes you wonder, first of all.

(22:25):
But it's just like with Patty, how did they get
that video of Patty? They had to flush her out, right,
had flusher out. She had children, She had a hand
I'm not gonna call children a handicap, but in the
wild that'd be a handicap for I mean, I hate
to put it that way because it is kind of
because she's vulnerable. She's got kids, right, so it's like

(22:46):
she's gonna have so she was making herself a target basically,
And and that's how they got that video because they're
trying to think she was trying to take her attention
off the kid.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
The kids, you know what you talking about. The no
one talks about at least not enough when they say
there's no evidence like some of those pictures, like like
like like that one the Independence Bigfoot. You know, I
know people get on thunder Thinker and make fun of him,
but man, he does some good analysis and like he
did a facial analysis of that video and the gate

(23:17):
that he did several of them on the Independence. No
one seems to look at enough. I mean, that's really good.
And what is it doing. It's messing with the child,
It's grabbing the child's picking up and you know, just
what it makes me think of as having psychology background,
was I don't know about you, but did you ever
have any friends that through childhood, as you like get older,
you go to high school and things, you just never

(23:39):
saw their parents. You didn't know if there was like
maybe a goret phobia's they didn't come out of the house,
but you never saw their parents until the one time
your friend got busted for something that got in trouble
and they had to come.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Get them Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
I mean, I'm just saying technically, but that's how you
catch I think a lot of this law the soft
squat gets broken, how people start seeing him is that
it has to do with the kids. You know, I heard,
I heard that. I'm pretty sure I sent you that
story about the volleyball tether that they were getting. But
the individual described these beings that were playing with that

(24:17):
tether ball being over some six feet tall, and their
grandfather told him those beings, those were the don't get
close to him because of others will come. The ones
i've seen are more like ten feet tall. Those are
like toddlers. You saw. It don't matter if they're five
six feet tall, they're toddlers. Different mind frame. Anyway, Sorry

(24:39):
we were talking about Sorry, Oh.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
No, I get it. I get it.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
It's interesting, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yes, Yeah, Thinker Zuner is a great one, Tanya, and
everybody's talking about Thinker Thunker in the chat. That's a
great YouTube channel if you guys want to go see
he does really good breakdowns of cryptids and and that's
that's a good a good place to go see. You
can kind of run through the videos and see like
if you see anything that like you don't know if
it's real or not. A lot of times he covers
especially big foot sightings and a couple of them that

(25:06):
were dog men as well, and Patriot.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Doubled information out on Patreon, so like a dollar a
month or something. But it's it's it's yeah, it's a
good one. Him and m K are kind of my
go to guys for analysis on yes squatch videos.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Me too. Well, okay, well, let let's talk it. Let's
talk about these deer, okay, because and here's here's my question.
Is it plural deer? Is it deers? Are they all deer?
I don't, I don't even know. Okay, I'm just gonna
say dearer. I'm gonna put a s on it, okay,
So deers to me, it sounds like it would that's
already plural, okay, but it's not. So I don't know

(25:45):
if heybody knows the chat. I know, I have a
degree in English literature, and I have no clue, y'all. Okay,
But anyways, so deer and then the not deer, Okay, Mary,
I know we have a lot of hunters that are
in our chat right now, A lot of a lot
of hunters are listening right now. And I don't know.
I mean, have you ever seen any kind of animal

(26:08):
like in person? I know you saw that dog that
day that night when you were walking. You said that
it just didn't seem quite right, right, something seems off
about normal everyday animals that are in the environment. But
you get a bad feeling about it, right A few times.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Another time would be I was actually it came out
of a graveyard. I was passing by, and this has
been I was much younger, but it was. I was driving.
It was what looked like a red tail ringed fox
orange is actually was orange. I'm sorry. And it was
completely not natural. It was too big. It was not

(26:48):
quite the size of coyote, even almost bigger than a
fox would be. And I never find a genesis that
matches it or species identify identification. And it was crossing
from one side of the graveyard to the other, which
is a major street there, And I mean, and it
made me gave me the figure the feeling at being

(27:10):
three am, two thirty in the morning. Was this thing
a grave robber? Was it? You know? The way it
stopped and looked at looked at me, you know, what
I mean. I mean, I mean it was so bizarre
that I stopped the car. I didn't want to hit it,
you know what I mean. But anyway, this point being
that it's things like that, and sometimes we have these
other entities creatures that jump in our field of awareness,

(27:34):
and as you already know, we use cognitive disoness and
cognitive bias to actually make them into something we can
identify in that way, you know what I mean. That's
that's just something that we do. They don't mean it's
not that they there wasn't that, But it's just very
bizarre things like that, and so much mystery on this
planet and things we're unaware of, even in the in

(27:55):
the concrete jungle, you know, the spirit of the wolf.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
In anyway, thank you, Giryl, Girl says deer is singular
and plural. Sitting down. Thank you so much girl for
looking that up for me. I figured, dude, but I
can always put a little on it, just to be Southern, Okay.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Like one of the deer. It's one of those what
like four of them, been there for a different ones. Yeah,
that's yes.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Dave Scott's in the chat y'all from Space Out Radio
what's up, Dave, thank you for being here. Thank you
for that super secret. That's so sweet of you. I'm
a Jessica Johnes fan. Oh my gosh, I'm a Dave
Scott fan. Dave. Thank you you guys. Go check out
Space Out Radio on YouTube and in terrestrial radio stations
all over North America.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Was here some really big conference. So just like last week,
let me.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
He was at a conference. Yeah, and he's got the
sor Vegas trip coming up in what about two weeks
or so, so we need to holler about that, Dave. Okay,
I may try to go to that, y'all. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
We're go see to see some aliens standing on the
quarter place to go they're l a.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Right, yeah, not some not deers running the streets. I
don't know. It depends where. Actually, it'd be more be
more probable to find a not deer in Reno probably
or Virginia City where we were last year. Okay, but
but nonetheless, and you know, because that area is known
for the s walkers, okay out in Nevada. So not
saying that the not deer all s walkers, but they.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Might is that what everybody thinks they might be these dear,
Are they just mutations or maybe skin walkers? Or what? What? What? What?
What's the what's the predominant question?

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Okay, well, let's let's pull up some pictures of what
a real, an actual, healthy deer looks like. Okay, let's
do that first, because I kind of have to take
a step back sometimes and think about, like, there's people
from all over the world that are watching our show
right now, and so we need to kind of set
the tone as to what a deer looks like. Okay,
just in case, yes.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
You think a deer A lot of people think, baby.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yes, yes, Well, here I have some pictures of some bucks. Okay,
we're gonna we're gonna look at bucks. Now, bucks are
mil deer. It's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven
eight about eight that looks like about an eight or
right there. And and so.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
You did terminology like that, did you? Yes?

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Oh? No, oh no, I totally know what it is.
Trust me. Listen.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
I grew up.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Ten deer deer heads mounted on all the walls in
my house when I was a kid. Okay, we had
deers on every wall. Bucks, we had antelopes, we had everything.
My dad was a hunter, okay.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
By me. I'm from the city. I'm a brother. Okay,
did I do that? I thought you'd be impressed.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, No, I'm very impressed. I'm very impressed.
Look at look at that rack. Check out the wreck
on that guy. I know that sounds terrible, but but yeah,
this is what a typical deer looks like, y'all. Okay,
And so here's here's the interesting thing is, like some
people have claimed that some of these not deers could

(31:15):
be kangaroos. And I'm gonna tell you what. I forgot
to pull up a picture of a kangaroo, okay, because
I know we need to see what a kangaroo looks
like next to a deer. I think a kangaroo looks
like a deer that just came out of prison, like
all it's all jacked up, and it like hops on
two legs. Because that's the thing about these not deer.
When people see deers walking on two legs, sometimes they

(31:37):
think that those are not deer. But I'm here to
tell everybody deers are known to walk on two legs sometimes,
and not for a long distance. Okay, now, let's get
that straight. Not for long distance, but sometimes you're gonna
catch a deer on a trail cam walking on two
legs and uh, and that that has a lot to
do with them fighting. Okay, they are kind of territorial

(32:00):
if they're in their mating season or if they are
trying to eat, and they'll say an apple off a
tree or something like that. The deer are going to
walk on two legs. They can't they are tiny, little
skinny legs, but they're going to walk on two legs.
I do have this really weird picture, Berry, Look at this.

(32:21):
This was taken on someone's trail cam, and it is
a deer walking. I mean, it looks like there's nothing there.
There's no other deer beside it. Okay to be fighting
or anything, there's no It looks like it's probably in
the winter or the fall. Looks like there's not a
lot of leaves out there, so it's not like trying
to pick a leaf of fruit off a tree or anything.
And there's an or right there beside it.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Berry, And that caught my attention, of all things, was that.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
That is the Oddit that is really odd.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
And is that not a sufficient amount of eye reflection?
I guess we could call it, but it still always
makes it adds to the mystery, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
It does well, it could be you know, even flashing
like some of these trail cams have ir lights on
them as well too so.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
And to be honest, I mean, I don't know, but
the two red things next to the word, they just
catch my attention to. I don't know what they are,
but oh, those are like leaves.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
I think those are probably leaves. Yeah, those are leads.
But I just I just wanted to show some pictures
for reference today to to let the audience kind of
see what a typical deer looks like. Okay, And and
we have a lot of deer and appellations a lot.
And and I want to tell a quick story, real quick,

(33:34):
because a quick story, real quick. Back during right after
the Depression, at some point, my great grandfather, my great groom,
my dad's dad's dad. Okay, he was a state senator
here in Georgia, and and and he was a hunt hunter,
avid huntsman, and he would have to travel to West

(33:55):
Virginia and Virginia to go deer hunting and turkey hunting
because we didn't have any turkeys or deer in Georgia
at all. There were none, and so at some point
he decided him and all his buddies, a bunch of
a couple of his buddies, they got these gigantic trailers,
like trailers that you put livestock in, and they took

(34:16):
them up to West Virginia and Virginia and I don't
know where, North Carolina probably, and they've loaded those trailers
up with white tailed deer and with turkeys, and they
brought them down to Georgia and they released them. And
my great great grandfather had a lot of land, okay,
and he put it on his land and they released

(34:39):
them there. And now today Georgia has a ton of
deer and a lot of turkeys. And I'm not just
I'm not making that up, y'all. The governor of Georgia
a few years ago it was under Sunny Perdue. Actually,
they made a big resolution about it and went out
to some of our family's land and like credited him.
I mean, this is like in the history books, like
credited my great great grandfather would bring in deer turkey

(35:00):
into Georgia. Okay, so we know all about deer, all right,
it's really cool, right, But but now Georgia is like
overloaded with turkey and deer. Okay, a lot so. But anyways,
I think that's the kind of a cool little little
history tidbit right there. Yeah, yeah, yes, you're welcome, y'all.

(35:20):
It's in the blood. Okay, I'm kiddy, I'm kidding, but nonetheless, Okay,
so I've never I've never encountered any kind of weird
deer like this, like we're going to talk about today
now now, when I'm talking about the no deer, they're
almost like zombies Berry Okay, some of them are kind
of zombie like. There's actually a video that you can find.

(35:41):
It's on TikTok as well, and it's a girl that's
writing her four wheeler or some kind of side by
side or a four wheeler or some kind of ATV
and she's writing it out in the woods and she
comes across this thing and you know, I don't know
if you can see that if you guys want to
blow it up, I don't. If you're watching it on
your TV at home, you can see it. If you're
on your phone, you need to blow it up. But

(36:01):
but there's like this, what is that? Okay? Now, my
first reaction to like, I think I saw. I thought
I thought it moved, but what to me? Okay, so
this is one of like the videos of like a
not deer, but see, like, I don't remember it moving,

(36:22):
and so in my opinion, it's either it's either not
deer because that doesn't look a normal deer to me,
or it's like a stuffed mannequin of a deer. It's
like that Katie Valley I talked about last week, and
it's like something that people do target practice on, you know,
for like bow and arrow hunting and stuff.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
It looks I think of you to make that observation,
and I think I think that's more as stupid than anything.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
It's weird.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
I'm sorry, bus spider sense goes off on that lie.
I'm sorry, Joe.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah, it doesn't. It looks like it's To me, it
looks like something that you get it to, you know,
tractor supply or like some kind of sporting goods store
that you can like go do target practice on. That's
my but I don't know. I just I never saw
it move, Okay, I just saw it looking back and
looking at her. So so this is just kind of

(37:20):
a go to oops, Well, I can't see myself that's
a big comment there. Thanks comm back here. That's a
that's just a it's kind of a go to from
whenever you're looking into not deer. That video is on there,
on TikTok, on everywhere, and so that's y'all. Y'all can
find this video somewhere if you look up the not deer,

(37:42):
it's there. But it almost sounds like a zombie animal
or some kind of an animal. Like if I were
to encounter something that didn't look quite right, I would
just assume that it was either deformed or had a
virus of some sort, you know, like that chronic wasting
disease that you've talked about before. And and I have
some pictures here, Okay, I want I also want to

(38:02):
show the audience some pictures of like some deformities that
are common in deer. Okay, not some of these are
not super common actually, but but a lot of times
their antlers will get gross on them.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
I don't know if this is a fungus or if
this is just some kind of may just be a deformity.
To me, it looks like some kind of a fungus.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Some deers have extra legs. Some humans are born with
extra legs, okay, in extra extra body parts, so that
is not uncommon. Some deer are born with their antlers
kind of jacked up a little bit, you know what
I mean. And uh, and this one, this poor thing
looks like a unicorn. But it's the other antlers going

(38:42):
Where's I supposed to be?

Speaker 2 (38:44):
You know?

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I mean, it's just it's just is it inbreeding? Is
it just genetic deformities? Who knows? Okay, who knows, but
but there but there are cases of deers that are
going to be or deer excuse me, they're going to
have deformities. Okay, Now, the ones of the deformities, it
seems as though like they're probably going to not walk

(39:05):
all like they're in the walking to head cast, you
know what I mean, like zombie l like. And so
if you were to encounter something like that, I would
assume that you probably should keep taking a step back. Okay,
because some of the reports of these not deer are
reports of them looking at people's windows. Now, I don't
think those are actually real deers if they're looking in

(39:26):
your windows at night and staring at you. But I
wanted to pull this picture up here because this this
deer is supposed to have chronic wasting disease, and it
is leaning up against a house or a barn, and
that's and so that's something also that we need to
take into account that they may need help standing. And
if there is a weird not deer standing by your house,

(39:48):
maybe it just needs to go prop his body yet,
I mean, I don't know. We're looking at this from
all angles, y'all. And and this poor thing right here
looks malnourished. And this is when I was looking up
examples of the not deer or not the deer the
chronic wasting disease. I found that picture there. And then
a lot of times they say that the heads are

(40:08):
kind of cocked to the side, okay, And and their
necks will be Sometimes deer's next will be broken, okay.
And when you see a deer that is walking up
towards you and it has its neck kind of turned over,
you know, turned to the side, sometimes that can just
be because they have broken necks. Okay. And let's see,

(40:31):
I've got one more picture to show. This is just
another one. I think it's that one looks like it's
just yelling, okay, It like it's just they do make noises.
I mean, I've actually heard deers in the woods. They
sounded like ducks. I think it was ducks. Yeah, it
was almost like a snort or something. And now tell
me if I'm wrong, y'all there it could be people
in the chat that are no different. But it seems

(40:52):
like we were out in the field one night and
I kept hearing what sounded like ducks or something, and
I think Keith or somebody would told me they were like, no,
there's a probably deer making that noise. So, uh, they
make a lot of strange noises out there, But most
of the time deers are silent berry You don't hear
them at all unless they're kind of walking around the

(41:13):
woods like it. And we do have to listen around
there doing our bigfoot research. If there's a lot of
dead leaves and dead debris like debris on the ground,
you can hear them walking through the woods at night, okay.
And and they're they're rarely ever alone. There's usually a
bunch of them. If you see one, you're gonna see
a bunch okay.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
No, I was just looking up to make sure. Mad
deer disease was the first term that was used for
chronic wasting disease. It was a mad deer disease because
you had you had mad cow disease and then mad
deer disease and there's a lot of worry, like there
still is. Can that or c w D be communicable

(41:56):
to humans and make that gene job that that that
that train for a job very very nasty for us.
You know, he started doing that bomb different type of
fun guy too, Like the zombie fungus that affects affects
those ants, that's strictly in those insects, in those ants species,
the zombie ants. Yeah, anyway, sorry, I'm just thinking about that.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's it could be devastating. I
mean I'd mentioned a video that I saw and you
get that from cannibalism as well, so that's yeah. I
saw this video of a man that was in a hospital.
It was allegedly was a zombie and uh and the

(42:42):
video the guy narrating the video is one of those.
It was almost like one of those what is that
group Anonymous or something where they you know, it's like
a guy wearing a mask. He was like, you know,
his voice was different, like change. He had a voice
changer in the microphone. He was like, this is an
actual zombie. This man was burned to dea hours earlier
and all his organs were removed and now he is reanimated.

(43:06):
And I don't know. It was just weird. Okay, So
some guy who's walking around the hospital kind of like
in this room and he seemed kind of out of it.
Could it could have been on stage. I don't know.
But hopefully we don't have we don't have a zombie
outbreak coming. But I don't know. The CDC has been
worning us, right Barry.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
The zombie apocalypse, try on disease, I mean, but the
whole zombie apocalypse thing. I mean, there's so much fear
mugering going on right now. Take your pick. You can
go for that, or you could go for the alien invasion,
or you could go for the media that's going to
strike us and destroy us, or this ApoA apophus. What
about a year left? Right? I mean, so it's all

(43:48):
these things that are the timelines of doom and destruction.
I mean, that's all we hear about here, and just
due to natural earth changes. It doesn't take a psychic
to tell you that that there's trauma. There's catastrophes coming
no matter what, you know what I mean. So I
don't know, just certain things. I'm hoping that the shifting

(44:09):
consciousness like what you're sharing and other things, is bringing
awareness that this place can change. Yes, it's in steps,
but spiritually and consciously it can change a lot here,
like our technology can change. You know. It's especially when
we start incorporating the conscious elements with it, which we're
not doing right now. That's right, not enough publicly anyway.

(44:34):
You know.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Well, if you watch my show, you kind of see
like I'm ready for the apocalypse that happens. We're all good.
Some of us are actually looking forward to it. I'm
just kidding, y'all. I'm just kidding, but I do. Just
tell everybody to live in awareness, Okay, I know, seriously,
there's some people that are totally they're down for it. Okay,
that's what we came here for, all right. We're here

(44:56):
in case we need to be ready for this apocalypse.
And just know they're not. Everybody scared of it, you
know what I mean. But I don't want everybody to
live in fear. We're not. We're not having an apocalypse, y'all,
We're not no no zombie apocalypse. Just just just roll
with it. Okay, just roll with it. We'll see what happens.
But anyways, Don Tart is in the chat. What's up Don?
Oh my gosh, love Don. He's part of my, part

(45:18):
of my teams, he says. D n R sometimes has
their cell phones set as quacking. DNR puts out decoys
to catch people hunting out of season and from the
road that was durned. D n R guys, I tell
you what, They're out there trying to set people up
and stuff. So y'all, y'all be aware of that, be careful.

(45:39):
And yeah, well there's duck hunters out there and deer
hunters and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
So for those of us that are that are not
the casual murderer of these creatures or uh what is.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
D n R, oh, Department of Natural Resources. Department of
Natural Resources. They run all the national parks. Yeah, we
we get like the game wardens and the state park
rangers and the National Park rangers and things like that.
Yeah there. If you do stuff you do coaching, yeah, yeah,

(46:14):
you gotta be real careful out there. I would never
do that out there on that federally. Okay, you gotta
be real careful with that, but yeah, they will. They
get real, They get real creative when it comes to
to catching people doing stuff like that. So yeah, yeah,
there's rules out there.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
What the what is their public what is there? What
is d n r's policy on federal people people live
off the grid in that those people are dangerous as
heck man.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Well, well, there's also people that go out there and
set up encampments and live homeless people set up out there.
And there's actually about a year ago, I'm gonna say
about a year ago, two years ago over in the
Talladega National Force in Alabama. Uh, there was a whole
encampment of like over one hundred people maybe more that

(47:08):
had gone off grid and had their families out there,
and like an encampment, and two women decided to wander
off and flag down a car, not like they needed help,
and and ended up shooting the guy. There was a
man in this fiance and and he shot her too,
and and her lady was left there and her friend

(47:31):
ran back to the encampment, and they brought the the
search dogs out and stuff, and they came upon that
big encampment out there in the middle of the Talladagan
National Forests. It was like some kind of they were
called it, like a religious cult or something. Gonna they're
calling it a cult, Okay, but I mean probably just
a bunch of people that wanted to get off off grid,
you know, going to National Park. I mean, that's that's

(47:52):
pretty pretty rough. I don't I don't know exactly what
the rules are for all that. I don't know. I
would I'll probably be having a guy coming on the
shows talk about feral people up in the smoke. He's
here a person.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
You know, I've heard something about what you're talking about,
just just vaguely heard other stories similar. You know. It's
always catching my attention because back in college, you know,
I had a cultural anthropology professor. We's getting these long
debates in class and afterwards in his office a few times.
He's an interestingt cat, you know, because he had spent

(48:24):
some time with the Headshrinkers of New Guinea and also
the Headhunters as well. So he's an interesting cat, you know.
But he was, for whatever reason, convinced that feral people
was just a myth, especially especially the myth of the
feral child. Like for the Jungle Book for the he's

(48:50):
a no go for Boguli. You know, that was a
dude that played Boguli back when I was a kid,
named Saboo. And they're trying to say Saboo was really
a feral person and that turns out that's not true.
But I mean, so he his whole we just it's
always just just taking interest when I hear about encampments
about feral people. Just due to interactions with that professor. Well,

(49:12):
I knew he was wrong. There's no way, there's no
way he was correct on that. I heard too much stuff,
you know. So anyway, there's urban urban myths.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
I don't think so, no, there's there's have You're Not
Seen The Hills Have Eyes. That's a good movie. It's
really creepy. It's scary and uh, I mean I say
it's good. I don't know. I watched it once and
I was like, oh, it sucks.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Uh weird science remember House.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
They all would like sinister versions of that guy from
the Goonies, the guy likes baby roofs. It was like,
it's like that. It was just it's it's wild, okay,
but very sinister with bloodblust. Okay, that movie so if
you guys don't see it, go watch go watch the
Hills have Eyes. That's uh, that's really creepy.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
And that's a creepy. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Yeah, I try to, you know me, I don't watch
movies hardly at all anymore. But I have seen that movie,
and uh, and I watched it because I'm out in
the wood so much, and then I regretted watching it.
I'm I watch it. The first one was good, the
second one was weird. But but nonetheless, there's there's so
much weird stuff out there that could hurt us in
these woods. And I do want to make the distinction

(50:28):
between feral people and then people that are just going
off grid, okay, living it. It's totally different, Okay, totally different. Okay,
people going off grid. Those are just normal regular people
that want to go live off grid that don't want
to pay bills, you know, like power and gas bills
and stuff like that, and just want to live off
the land. Okay, that's that's different than feral people are

(50:49):
I don't know the far means like they don't I
don't even know if they live in houses. I'm not
even sure. Make people just live off the land that
they're like I hate to say that they live like
they're like animals, you know, I know, no no shade,
no offense, y'all. I don't know. But feral people are
people like let's say, like children that were raised by

(51:11):
a pack of wolves. Okay, like Romulus.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Professor was saying, don't exist?

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah, what they do exist? And uh and there's there's
proof of it all over the world. You know that
there's that little girl that was that in Russia. Maybe
that she she was highly abused by her parents, so
she went and she would go live out the side
with like her dogs and she runs on four you know,
I say four legs, but her hands and her legs,
she runs around like a dog. There's been many cases

(51:39):
that just like the kid from the Jungle.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Book, Mini Boles Manila.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
There's a little boy out of it. I think it's
India actually that they based that movie off of right
and his name was Modalley, I think. But yeah, it's
it's happened for a long time. You know, children would
get abandoned, they they take up with animals and then
they become feral.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
For the record, though, it's it's the it's the communities
more than I've heard about being really dangerous the off
grade communities, especially in the national parks. That's just that's
just more more than just these occasional feral people who
are running around like the animals they're raised by. You know. Yeah,

(52:27):
I've seen a few examples of that, and so it's
just making me laugh. I know, little girl running around
like she was one of the.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yeah, it's really sad actually watching watching children, you know,
on because they've they've done documentaries on on these feral
children and you know, and and there's when it comes
to like the feral people the Smoky Mountains, what they say.
I've not come across any, but they say that, you know,
there there's in breeding involved as well. It's like people
that you know, live in their own little their own

(52:56):
little you know, community, I wanst say community kind of,
but but yeah, they don't. The apple I mean, the
apple tree didn't have a lot of limbs on it,
you know, like family tree stuff like that. So, yeah,
a nice way to say this, Let's go back to please.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
That was the greatest analogy ever.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
He said, Yeah, let's go back to the not deer
please making me sweat skip. Thank you so much, for
that great team and great show. Thank you skip from that,
super sigret. I appreciate your support. That's so sweet. I mean,
oh my gosh. Okay, well let's get back to the
to the not deer. On that note, and uh, and

(53:41):
here's some here's some pictures I want to show the
audience of a couple of pictures of this is some
of the examples that you can find online of like
deers that don't look completely right like there may be
something wrong with it a little bit. I don't know
about this one. I don't know, but that that's one
of the go to pictures right there. The others are
all a I Barry, which is the interesting part for here,
most of them I have personally deemed the other pictures

(54:04):
mostly as AI. Now this one right here, that's definitely AI.
There's no way that deer has yours don't have fan.
I mean, they don't look like that. And I'll tell
you what, I would question going camping if I had
to deal with deer like that. We haven't. We don't
want to relations. Okay, and uh, this is a cool picture.

(54:27):
I mean that's just a regular deer right there. But
let's think it's gott white eyes. Here's this is another.
This is just a normal picture that I showed earlier,
I believe, and I don't know this. This is definitely
AI right here, definitely on that one. But imagine walking
or being in the woods at night and then this

(54:47):
thing shows up. I mean even the even the rack
on that it's antlers are just outrageous right there. But
these are these are just some of the pictures people
put up online. Of course. You yeah, and this is
this right here, No, that's not it, or's that one
that I had? Uh here, it is this is Look
at this. Look at their eyes. This is what they

(55:09):
say they look like. Actually, is that their eyes are
not the not deer don't have eyes on the side
of their heads. They have them straight ahead, looking forward
like human eyes.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Really. Yeah, that's an interesting.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Yeah, that's a c g I with the face.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Of a dog mm hmm a wolf. Yeah, it's that's
definitely c g I. There's no way that's real. It's
like a wolf face or coyote or something with the
eyes like that. Yeah, somebody got somebody got creative, Okay,
And that's what I'm saying, Like, there's not a lot
of pictures of real not deers, I think, But who's

(55:53):
to say. Who's to say? I think I think most
a lot of.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Chance those pictures any what pictures pan type creatures?

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Pan. No, I didn't. I didn't think about that, like
goat men. Yeah, yeah, I don't know what that is?
What that is? I would just throws in here that

(56:24):
I have this, dear woman, Oh my gosh, I know. Oh, okay,
I wanted to show a picture of the chronic wasting
disease map, okay, because this is this is where they
are concentrated, where all the cases are. Now I forgot
to upload the picture of the Appalachian Mountains. Okay. So

(56:46):
the Appalachian Mountains run along the east coast of the
United States and and it is from New York City,
New York State, I mean all the way down to Alabama.
That's where the end. And they run right through Georgia
where I live. And this these are the cases of
the chronic wasting disease right here. And I want to

(57:07):
want everybody to know there's not hardly any I mean,
there's there's a few up there in like the tip
of West Virginia in Pennsylvania right there, but going down
the Appalachians. There's not a whole lot. Most of the
chronic wasting disease cases are over in the Midwest, Okay,
or like going like what is that Montana and like

(57:28):
Utah a little bit right there, and I don't know,
they're just right there like Nebraska. It's not it's not
around the Appalachian mountains Bury and that. That's something that
was kind of concerning for me. I was like, Okay, well,
all right, if we're having all these cases of the
note the no deers, the not deers over in the Appalachians,

(57:49):
maybe it's not the chronic wasting disease, okay, because there's
not a lot of cases over here. I mean there's some.
There's some very constentrated cases up at the northern tip
of West Virginia right there in the southern part of Pennsylvania.
That's it. Okay.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Wow, that's an interesting map. So I was thinking in
my mind how much you might correlate with not just
the Bigfoot sidings map, but also the missing four one
one cluster map, and doesn't really correlate with any of those,
especially the Midwest area. Though they're concerning the missing four
to one one clusters there's like down the middle Midwest,

(58:31):
and Pauletti says it's because of that huge aquifer that
there are not many clusters. And here we see that
cwd's is crazy in that area.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
It is, it is in it in Canada as well,
up there where that's not where Dave Scott. Dave Scott
actually is over or towards the west over there. But
but yeah, it's it's it's kind of puzzling to me, okay,
because that is one of the explanations as to what's
on on in the appellations with the not deer. It's

(59:03):
chronic wasting disease, and that's what that would be my
go to, like, maybe that's why people are seeing deers
standing up and looking in their windows. Now there's also
something else. They call it the deer man as well,
and h and some people have claimed that they have
seen what looks like, hey, here's a picture of that
right there. Just looks like a deer that's been mounted
somebody putting somebody's window to scared them. Okay, I'm practical

(59:26):
joke probably, but but there are Oh god, where's I
going with that? I just lost my train of thought
saying about the deer man. The deer man. Yeah, I
started that. I got the thought about all the deers
in my house when I was a kid. When I
was thinking about that, so the deer man. So some
of the cases, there's there's at least one case of

(59:48):
a of a kid that said that he saw like
a thought of a deer was looking at his window
at night. And he said that he sat there and
looking at it like the shadow of this deer. And
that's why I say, everybody put your blinds up and
your curtains up in your windows, okay, Because he said
that he was looking out and he could see the
outline of a deer had I guess he had a
curtain overs window and the sun was coming through. It

(01:00:09):
was in the early morning, and the deer kind of
like it was like a deer with antlers, and then
it kind of morphed into like a man. Uh well,
it was in his window. So I mean, could these
be skin walkers, yes as well. I mean s walkers
can pretty much turn into anything, right, very as long
as you put the pelt on. And I mean, how

(01:00:30):
does that work? Do you know?

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
We might understand that there's there's it could be any
animal but some are kind of seemed to be preferred
and the ones that could be getting pelts of But
you know, but the type of s walker's I was
taught about are different. They're using the dream bodies, so
they don't need pelts and need things that are using
the dream body and projecting their cocnitive awareness and cognitive

(01:00:54):
abilities into the dream body, and that doesn't have any
of the physical parameters that this one does. So that
includes shape.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah, yeah, deer man versus deer women.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah, that's interesting, you know, because I'd asked that, and
during the stories i'd heard in my state were never
about anything about deer men. It was always deer women
and them coming to oh wows and stuff. But you
would assume that there are probably deer men also, you know,
but there was some reason it was mostly the women
that were talking about. And occasionally I'd heard the word

(01:01:30):
dear people, but it seemed like they're always referred to
as females. So I don't know, I don't know, it's interesting.
You know, that's just where my local states, so I
don't know, I'm no expert on it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah, you don't hear much about deer men, that's right, yeah,
I've heard more about deer women than I ever have
deer men.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
But what doctor Shall says, He said, those deer women
that are so attractive, and when somebody sees them at
the club man and they dance and stuff, they would
go dance with them, they hang out and always to
go take them somewhere, Try to take them somewhere, and
when either they get them there or the way there,
the dear woman turns on them and reveals the hooves,
it starts trampling, trampling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was quite

(01:02:11):
serious when he was telling me the story. It's not
the humorous snake that I have, but it may be
what it like bad. I'm not going to those little towns,
going to none of those clubs and trying to get
my back on. No.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
I mean, you gotta watch out for all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
These days.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
You gotta ask to look at their feet. Let me
see your feet, lady, let me see them hooves. Make
sure you don't have hoo.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Yeah, I've never I've never really been on those worries
about what what shoes somebody's wearing. But I need to
know if you got hooves in them shoes. Okay, that's
so weird.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
I noticed that most of the pictures you had of
deer standing up, whether it's to eat or on two legs,
they seem to be only dose. You noticed that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
It does well, Okay, I have I didn't pull these
other pictures up. But most of the pictures of actually
the ones that I showed, yes like dose. They look
like they don't have antlers on them. Most of them
don't that I know of. This one might let me
see that one may have little antlers on it. I
don't know, but a lot of them, they're the ones
that are up on two legs are usually fighting. Okay,

(01:03:25):
I don't have any pictures. I forgot to pull a
picture of that up. But a lot of times the bucks,
the ones are the big. The little antlers are big antlers.
They'll find each other and they get they actually get caught.
They get on two legs. They start doing their little
boo boom boom boom boom with their feet, their front
feet and uh, and they use their antlers to attack

(01:03:45):
each other and uh. Sometimes more often than not, their
antlers will get twisted up together and they fight to
the death, and one of them will die or both
of them will die. And their antlers will be hooked
together and and so you could. There's lots of videos
out there where you you see like a deer and
it's got like the decapitated head of another deer with

(01:04:08):
the antler stuck on. It's running around his head all
caught up to the side, jacked up to the side
with with the dead deer head hanging from it and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Because they do that, you know, throw something in real quick.
What I said, I signed up. Somebody has an issue
with some of it. Look As when I'm talking about
the pow wows, I got that from not just doctor Shaw,
but also my friend Gail, who's past. He was Lakota
an elder. So what they're talking about the power is,
you're not for my state, So what goes are the

(01:04:39):
powers in my state? And if they see dear people
like they claimed, that's not for me to dispute. But
I will stand by that because I will not question
either doctor Shaw or Gail. They were quite quite especially
Gailey's super cool. So I'm just gonna stand by that
a little bit. You can't say that you know everything
about all pow wows because you haven't experienced one. That's
very general especially if not from my area, just saying,

(01:05:05):
you know what I mean, some things I talk, it's
not things I experience as someone else that's an elder
that deserves respect.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
So oh man, bigfoot, door says the Devil Wears product,
and you're talking about them shoes, the hoofs in the product,
the lou bhutons with the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
You know, every every time you all start talking about
the red shoe, I think about that terrible movie with
Tom Hanks, The Man with One Red Shoe. That's a
terrible movie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
A sorry, yeah, yeah, it's well, well play a big
part in what I do because I talk about Bigfoot
all the time. Big feet, Oh my gosh, even though
I say Bigfoot with the sky just like deers. But
but yeah, it's a yeah, I mean that. Remember that

(01:06:00):
video of the lady. I think they were in Africa,
I guess somewhere in Africa where they were. The woman
had cheated on her husband, I guess, and like they
were turning her into a cow. Remember that no goat
maybe it was a goat. She had like either cow
feet or goats.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Making me laughing. We can't talk about that because picture
of all the shows we did that picture, so with
the with the poor melon, the dominant boy with the
with the pig feet. That was it was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I think it was. I think it was. It was
either goat or cow. Yes, the goat meet, Yes, real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Something I wanted to ask you. So, you know, you
mentioned earlier that sometimes some people think that they think
that maybe some of these deer have been mistaken for
a kangaroo.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Uh yes, yes, yes, okay, So some say that, Okay,
it has been suggested that the not deer could could
be sightings of kangaroos and North America. But I have
all my days. I mean, I've seen kangaroos at the zoo. Now,
kangaroos could be getting out. We could have Listen, we
have hyenas and the appllations. We have chuop ofcabras and

(01:07:11):
the appellations. We have all sorts of weird stuff in
the appalations. Okay, all these different cryptids. Could we have
a kangaroo? Yeah, okay, maybe there could be kangaroos out there.
It does resemble the deer. I think kangaroos like deers
that got out of prison. You know why I'm kind
of asking that, Okay, When.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Sometimes dealing with these quote unquote trime areas and these
other mutations, specifically the cube of coppra as well. I'd
heard stories about them being marsupials, you know, and that
just and that and and I find that interesting because
I can can in terms of the data that you

(01:07:53):
had and that John Ravinko write Hemispheric remote viewing what
he had were somewhat similar in terms of you kept
getting kangaroo genetics along with dinosaur genetics, and John Vivinko's
team had seen that the troop of coabbra was marsupial,
and that once the child actually emerges from the pouch,

(01:08:16):
the mother hunts it down, tries to eat it. It's
sort of a weird deal going on there like that.
That sounds to me like an abomination, I'm sorry, a
genetic abomination of some type. You know, it's not for
me to judge every species, but it sounds most unnatural.
I knew, I knew some animals and the natural do
do that with their children, but that one, for some reason,

(01:08:37):
it just seems more abominalistic. That'sn't work anyway, sorry, but
just it just brings take them When you mentioned that,
and it since we're dealing with the cryptid itself. Could
that be a reason for mist identification? Have they seen
some type of a marsupial?

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
I think so, I think yeah for sure. Yeah. Well okay,
and I wanted to go back a little bit, and
let's talk about this chronic wasting disease real quick because
I want to give the the actual what do you
call it, the symptoms of it. Okay, the symptoms because
it does sound a whole lot. And here we go.
I have no idea. I've heard a curn but I

(01:09:17):
don't know where that's at. I'm not sure. Okay, let
me say, let me pull up a picture, this chronic
wasting disease. Let's see. Okay, here we go. Let's just
pull up this picture. It's kind of sad. Actually, let's
do this one, okay, because this one looks like it's
they They say, this deer actually has this. It says
that they do have a change in behavior when they

(01:09:39):
get this chronic wasting disease. They get tremors, nervousness and listlessness,
excessive salivation, and increased water intake follow And of course
that could that could honestly kind of look like an
animal's got rabies or something. You know, if it's like
foaming it in the mouth and it's got like sliva
coming down its face, it loses its sphere of humans

(01:09:59):
and it all it looks like it's utterly confused. It
says that, it says. Okay. So people claim that the
not deer have double joints or multiple jointed legs, and
they say, actually, the deers that get this chronic wasting
disease lose some of the tissue in their legs and
it makes their lower leg swing slight slightly in either direction,

(01:10:22):
so that could be a reason why they look like that.
And and some people say, I forgot to mention this.
Some of people say that the not deers have multiple eyes. Okay,
so like a third eye and this or two or
three extra eyes on its forehead, or like one extra
eye in the middle. And they say that this actually
could be a misidentification of open lesions which expose fluids

(01:10:47):
reflect the light, which is kind of gross. I hate sorry, y'all.
I know, y'all, I know it's lunchtime kind of some places.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
That's really good. They made those comparisons that commend you
on that. Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
I think it's important when we talk about the not
deers because you know, as far as like me being
out there doing my research and everything, and we have
to know what's going on. That's why I value our
bod life biologists. It's on my team. Uh, he is
really good. A lot of the guys everybody's studied in it. Okay.
And but we have one official bod life biologists on
our team. Uh, same team Dawn's on. It's in the chatitay.

(01:11:23):
And but but we you know, it's good to have
people that know these things, okay. And I'm I'm learning
every day. I'm always learning and uh. And and it's supportant
for us to look at this from every angle and
what it could be as opposed to what people claim
to Okay, and uh and not saying that people have
not encountered not deers, y'all. I'm sure they have, but

(01:11:46):
there could be an explanation to it, to all of it. No,
we do know that skinwalkers exist, Okay, we know that's
a real thing. And so but are all of them
that No, I don't think so to all of them
look like you know, what.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I'm finding kind of creepy, to be quite honest with you,
is that I think we're at a point in time
where we're going through this shift and all these things.
But at what we're the point where you know, these
this has been going on for so long, and they're
these different creatures now, these different mutations, these different experiments

(01:12:23):
that they're just releasing and cryptids that have never been
seen in probably the history of this planet. That's what
I think is going on right now. And you and
you're starting to do I think your work and other
people are targeting areas and zones where these releases are happening,
you know, and they go away real quick, almost like

(01:12:44):
jumping jack the jump jumping you know what I mean, Yeah,
jump away, But that's more of a perception thing. But
these are more like containment releases, I believe. And it's
worried because this is a dark force and not just
a dark government think, it's a dark force thing all
the way around. And you know, so it's just you know,

(01:13:06):
and these different beings being released that are on the
fourth dimensional level, that are devouring people's energy or as
you like to call it, loose dark you know, actually
dark organic radiation, deadly orgone radiation.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
Do r loosh, yeah, oh my gosh, Garyl's still coming
up with names for the not deer non committal deer.
The non committal is it's not fully committed to being
a deer. It's close. I just you know, I talked
about the zombie bear that came up with my data
for those two targets a while back in Tennessee, and

(01:13:44):
I'm gonna say zombie deer. This is zombie deer, not
to be confused with cocaine bear. I saw that Heather.
I think that was Heather's ruth that if you go.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Back and look at at the work you've done, it's fun.
I think you'll find it interesting. How many times the
zombie bear has come up differently in different subjects, different
different terms, But that creature itself has come up a
few times. I've encountered some stories people are telling you
know that it sounds similar to that. Yeah, it's just

(01:14:13):
the way you describe me. I mean, it can be
described by the ways. But like, for example, like I
found it fascinating when it kind of sounded like the
Dewey Lake monster, the whistling bear. The only difference with
that was the whistling or sorry, the mountain Dewey Mountains
called like amphibious qualities webbed hands. If I recall correctly,

(01:14:36):
only thing may be a little different, but I mean,
but still, that's around kind of the same creature you
were describing as a zombie bear. Quite similar whoa enough
to wear the same Doctor Moreau probably designed them both,
if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Yeah, that's really interesting. So I don't know. I never
I never of a zombie bear.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Okay, I like to know what that was like?

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
No, right, Heather? Okay, I think Heather, if I'm not mistaken,
Heather lives up around maybe the Mammoth Caves. I think Heather,
is that right? And in Kentucky. Actually that that would
make a good remote viewing target right there, the Mammoth Cave.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
You know what happened? Man, what happened? That's the story.
I'd like to hear any stories like that, you know,
because that's something different. It's amazing how it keeps coming
up there it is again?

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Yes, Okay, well Heather, maybe maybe I can get Heather
on the show. How about that? Maybe Heather on? We
got to hear about the zombie bear. Any zombie bears, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Are all zombie all zombie bear and negative or.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
I can't imagine it being positive. Just saying.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
That stupid I mean like that, I mean, I mean,
I mean like in terms of it doesn't do anything.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
It just goes it's way, you know what I mean, right,
like not violent, non violent, just.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Just like you weren't necessarily on to bid you that
type of right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Oh my gosh, I don't know. I have to. I
have to hit up Heather and find out cool. Oh
was here? She goes, Oh, no, she's in Well she's
in Myrtle Beats, so you better come see me at
the Myrtle Beats conference in a couple of weeks. And
but you did tell me to Oh yes, you're the
one that Okay, that's it, Heather. Heather suggested that I
do a remote view on the Mammoth Caves. That's right, Okay.

(01:16:35):
I thought maybe you lived over there, so that's perfect. Okay. Wow,
Well this this has been a pretty fantastic show today, Berry.
I think that I've I've actually learned a lot. First
of all, I learned that deer is both plural and singular. Okay,
for sure, but I suspected but but but definitely have.
And I've also learned a whole lot of different ways

(01:16:56):
to say not dear. Thanks audience. I appreciate y'all today.
And uh yeah, I think I don't know. What are
your thoughts on the not deer before we go to
day Berry? What do you what do you think? Do
you think it's probably more of a disease probably and
people are seeing a disease deer, or do you think
it's probably the S walkers.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
I think I think it's all three. I think it's
me too, some misidentification from CWD. I think some is
some sort of creatures that are being released or experiments,
some sort of thing like that that's going on. And
I think the third would be you have also those
humanoids that are capable of shape shifting S Walker's and

(01:17:40):
things of that nature. So I think it's three things.
I think too often, Jessica, as humans, we make things.
We make these third dimensional classifications, and then the classifications
get a life of their own, you know what I mean.
So in that way we have to break our mold
to that sometimes realize it's multiple things put together. All

(01:18:02):
the work we've done together shows that if nothing else.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's I one hundred percent agree with you.
I think it's all of it. I think it's all
of it. I think the majority in my opinion, in appalations. Okay,
because these things are not just found in the Appalachia Mountains.
The not deers are found all over the place, Okay,
all over the world, but definitely all over North America.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Okay, so they're not even in Alaska. They're just the
CWD map, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
They're all over the place. Yeah, No, they're They're all
over actually, and uh and I found I found a
concentration of them in Alaska. Actually, there's also a concentration
in Alaska. Now, I don't think this map we'll see
does this map show Alaska too. It's just a lower
forty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
It's just an American guy, you know, from Alaska.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
What do he thinks for Fred, Fred Roll? I'll have
to ask Fred. Maybe I'll get him back on the show.
San we'll see. But but yeah, they're mostly out in
the Midwest kind of is where those chronic wasting disease
cases are. There's not a whole lot of them in
the Appellations, not diagnosed at least or reported. Not to
say they're not there, but as far as you know,

(01:19:14):
them being contained in some way and being reported. They're not.
They're not all throughout the appellation. So it cannot explain
all the appellation not deers. It just can't. And we
know there's a lot of magic in them mountains and
a lot of s walkers and things like that, a
lot of conjuring. Yes, so I don't know. We just

(01:19:36):
learned a little something new today, Okay, at least I did,
and and so thank you so much for being here, Barry.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Sorry, I've not heard of that specific not deer thing,
only the dear woman and dear people, So thank you.
I learned something here.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
You know, we have the deerest audience. Thank you, Andrew,
the dearest audience. Oh gosh, Yes, you guys are a
deer deer audience, and I do appreciate it. And yes,
chat very much like.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
I normally do. I just I was too tripped out
and laughing at what we were talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Yes we so if you guys were not already worried
about bigfoots in the forest and dog men, now we
have deer men and deer women and also cheap of
caabres and things that will eat us. Okay, I don't
think the deer listen no matter what the not. Deers
probably can't eat us. They can probably take a bite,

(01:20:32):
but they have little mouths, y'all, So don't worry too much.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
That's so reassuring. Codes and there.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
I think that they're just herbivores, aren't they aren't there
just herbivores. I don't even know if they eat meat.
I have seen one eat a snake. I did see
a video of a deer eating a snake one time.
But I don't think they eat animals. I think they
just eat vegetation. I think I don't. I don't even know.
Oh my god, I really don't even know. Yeah, I

(01:21:05):
think that they just I think they only eat I'm
gonna say vegetables and like apples and stuff, fruits and vegetables.
Correct me if I'm wrong, y'all. I have no clue,
all right, But but yeah, they do, but they don't
have they don't have sharp teeth. That's what I'm trying
to get at. They don't have sharp teeth. And so
don't worry, y'all. Unless you are a vegetable, then you

(01:21:26):
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you hadn't already, And thank you so much for being here. Barry.
It's always fun.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
This is an interesting one.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
I love it well. We always just you know, it
makes me think about stuff and now I'm just more
aware of about like what's in the woods and the
diseases that these animals can get. And yeah, and it's
just me. It just reminds me to close my curtains
at night too.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Heyone to throw into you know. I've been getting lately
a wave of people that are giving like gratitude for
the shows we do. I've been getting like emails and messages,
like private messages and stuff like that. It's really nice.
Thank you. So I tell everybody thank you. It's really cool.
It makes it so worthwhile. Just it's fun. It's hopefully

(01:23:37):
educational for everybody, because I certainly learned a lot of
stuff on all these So I just want to say
thank you to your audience and the people that are
checking it out.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Oh, thank you, guys. That's so sweet. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Berry.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
We appreciate everybody. Thank y'all. To everybody who follows us
and supports us, We really do appreciate it, y'all. And
it keeps very and eye going with all this crazy
stuff we talk about out and putting this out to
the public. It weren't for you guys, we would I'm
not gonna say, we wouldn't be here doing this right now.
But you know, it does keep us. It keeps us pushing, okay,
uh to do this, and it's it's just it's fun, y'all.

(01:24:12):
Make it fun. Everybody here makes it fun. And it's
great to get the response from people sometimes, so we
know we know we're on the right track here, and
and I do appreciate it. And I saw that there
A real Riley says, a real deer hunter knows deer
do eat meat occasionally. Okay, so good, I told you.
I saw it. I saw the video of a deer
eating a snake. So they get they get a little,

(01:24:33):
a little meaty treat every now and then. Okay, they'll
probably take they'll probably take a little bite out of
you if you let them.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
So everybody a little bit everything omnivores, right, I don't
really eat.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
That, but meat. I'm just kidding. Watch your back, y'all.
Don't let the deers come at you. De deers are
honestly quite scared of humans. So I don't think that.
You know, if a deer walks up to you, uh,
back away from it, probably because there might be something
wrong with it. Okay, I'm just just do and the
dick the deep deep, deep deep. I've been seeing that.

(01:25:09):
I saw your comment mood dog, thank you, he says,
the deep deep do. And I think that's some kind
of I think that's I don't think that's in this country.
That's in Asia, I think somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
So I thought I thought that was like a really
welcome movie.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
I think those are are they vampire deers or something?
Cal sneak title, Let Your Vampires by? Oh my god, y'all. Okay, well, okay,
so y'all just be careful. I don't think we have
the Deep Deeks in North America, but I don't know
where y'all are listening from or watching from, So please
be safe out there, and and please come back and
see me, y'all. On Wednesday. I will be back on

(01:25:46):
a glitch in the matrix at one pm Eastern, and
I hope to see you all there. Please like the
video today, y'all if you hadn't already, and share it
out and subscribe. If you hadn't already to the channel,
and definitely listen to me on podcasting platforms as well.
I put all the shows up right after I do them,
usually on podcasting platforms, if you guys won't listen to

(01:26:07):
me in the truck or the car, or the boat
or the spacecraft. All right, every buddy, have a wonderful day, Verry,
thanks again for being here, and I will see you
guys back here on Wednesday. Y'all close your curtains tonight
and lock your doors so you can meet me back
here on Wednesday. All right, Bye, y'all. Bye, b.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
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