The Uncanny Valley & Missing People Who Reappear as Imposters

The uncanny valley is a theory in aesthetics suggesting a humanoid object appearing almost, but not exactly, like a real human can evoke feelings of eeriness or revulsion, rather than familiarity, due to the object’s proximity to reality yet noticeable imperfections. . Examples of the phenomenon exist among robotics, 3D computer animations and lifelike dolls. When we encounter something or someone who seems a bit off, discomfort sets in, manifesting as an unsettling feeling in the pit of our stomachs. It’s a reaction born from the clash between expectation and reality, a psychological response to an almost-human entity falling short of complete authenticity.

On this episode, Jessica and Dr. Dennis Carroll explore the uncanny valley and numerous reports of missing people who reappear, but not as themselves, quite literally. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Well, good afternoon, everybody. It's the Crib to Huntress. I'm
Jessica Jones, and man, do we have a really cool
show for you guys today. Man, this one's kind of
creeping me out. Actually, so do Mannicans make you guys uncomfortable?
They do me sometimes, Okay. I do get uncomfortable around

(01:15):
things that look human but they're not quite human. Okay,
Actually they're not human at all. And that's why I
am team human when it comes to the transhumanist movement
and robots, I prefer actual organic humans, you guys, when
I am having interactions with people, I have come across

(01:36):
several people in my lifetime that did not seem to
be completely human. Actually, and if you are experiencing the
same things that I am, then you have experienced what
they call they. There's actually a Japanese scientist that came
up with this term, but it's called the Uncanny Valley,
and we're going to be talking about that today. I
think it has a whole lot to do with a

(01:58):
lot of these topics that we get in to here
on the channel, including impostors and missing people. We're also
going to get into this topic as well. Today. There
is a pretty famous UFC MMA fighter. He's retired now,
but his name is b J. Penn. I've followed him
since he was a young buck in the UFC, and

(02:20):
he has recently, in the past week, I believe, has
claimed that his mother and his brother were unalived by
the government and imposters have taken their place. And he's serious,
very serious about it. And I have some pictures to
show you guys today. We've got we got a lot
to talk about, y'all. You know, it wouldn't that be

(02:42):
just terrifying if one day your family just wasn't really
your family. Gosh, there's even you know, there's even a
cartoon about that. It's called Coraline. If y'all seen Coreline
with the buttons for the eyes in the alternate parallel reality, Man,
it's almost like Bjpenn is living in an alternate reality.

(03:04):
According to what he's claiming right now, is that his
brother and his mother are not who they say they
are and they've been replaced, all right, Well, in the
world of clones and cloning doppelgangers, it's possible. It's absolutely possible.
So we're going to dive into all this today. Thank you, guys.
So much for being here. Thank you to all my mods.

(03:25):
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(03:48):
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(04:12):
Fest that's coming up next month May the ninth and tenth.
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So y'all come see me at that. It's gonna be
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So if you guys would like to come see me live,

(04:32):
those are two events that you can catch me at.
And there's more this on my calendar, Okay, on my website.
But those are two of the big ones that I
got coming up next. All right, okay, let's get to
our show, you guys. I have our good friend doctor
Dennis Carol here with us again today. He is one
of my resident experts on so much that we talk about,

(04:53):
including doppel Gingers and impostors and changelings as well. The
Uncanny Valley is a theory in aesthetics suggesting a humanoid
object appearing almost but not exactly like a real human
can evoke feelings of eeriness and revulsion rather than familiarity

(05:14):
due to the object's proximity to reality yet it's not
quite real. Some examples are going to be robots, three
D computer animations like cartoons, lifelike dolls, and robot like animatronics.
You guys, you'll remember the animatronics. I think I got

(05:36):
a deep seated fear of animatronics, and maybe the Uncanny
Valley when I used to go to show biz Pizza
as a kid. Okay, and that mouse with the with
the cheerbleeding pomp poms, that she was way too human
like okay, and uh and can this actually be connected
also to Bigfoot as well? And in aliens, because I

(05:58):
tell you what, when I've encountered ets, for example, they
look kind of human, but they kind of weren't. Okay,
and that's that's a little odd as well. So when
we encounter something that there's someone that's a bit off,
discomfort does set in. It manifests an unsettling feeling in
the pit of our stomachs. Oh my gosh, my computer
just pulled that up. That's creepy. That's creepy. Oh, I

(06:23):
have two computers open. That's what just happened, y'all.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
I was gonna wait to show you all that, but
now you can see what I'm going to talk about
before I show it. Okay, but it seems a bit off.
Discomfort sets in. It manifests an unsettling feeling in the
pit of our stomach. Is reaction forming the clash between
expectation and reality psychological response to an almost human entity.
Falling short of complete authenticity. We are studying this today.

(06:47):
Doctor Carroll is here with me. He has decades of
experience with the paranormal demonology. We might need to be
exercised after this show. Okay, and UFOs cryptid you dam it.
He covers it and he has a fantastic YouTube channel
it's called Hunting the Shadows and uh a Patreon as well.
You guys, please go over and support him on all

(07:09):
of his outlets. Please help me. Welcome to the show,
our good friend, doctor Dennis Carol. Hey, hey, how are you?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
You know? I was looking in the mirror this morning,
then just for a minute, there was an old guy
looking back at me.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
I don't know anyway, did you recognize yourself today?

Speaker 3 (07:29):
If you don't pay the exorcist, do you get repossessed?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
You're well, you you probably do, maybe so, I don't know.
I don't know. That's that's funny though, actually that's exorcism jokes,
dark humor. Yeah, well, I accidentally pulled up that picture
of those really creepy mannequins. Did you see that? When
I pulled those up? That was creepy? And uh, I

(07:56):
don't know about you. Dennis. But ever since I was
a kid, I've had kind of a weird, deep rooted
fear of clown dolls, Okay, clowns and mannequins and things
that just it's almost like you feel like they're gonna
come to life, to life, but they don't.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Right absolutely, you know, I think that you know, I've
said that's takement a lot of times in the past.
You know, there's a lot of things out there walking around.
They look human, but they're not really human. And I
think we pick up on that. I think we've got
some kind of built in high strangeness meter in US,
you know that we can kind of pick up on
something when it's quite not quite right, there's something off

(08:34):
about it. I actually shook hands with a guy like
that once. Uh, you know it right off the bat,
You know, when you step into that uncanny valley, that
that that you know call a phrase we've callin on
that that you know you're in unfamiliar your ground. There's
something that quite not right, just off with it, and

(08:56):
it gives you a very unsettling feeling. U like you said,
kind of it gets you know, pit in the stomach feeling.
You know, you don't like this. There's definitely something that's touching.
I think you spiritually in a in a way, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Oh yeah, it's like a like I said, like a
deep rooted fear. And speaking of deep rooted fears, I
just saw that, Robin, and there's other people in the
chat standing. They just had a big old earthquake in California.
So I thought some prayers are going out to all
y'all please stay safe out there, and I'm sorry to
hear that. Man, we just can't catch it break lately.
We've got all these disasters going on around the world
and where we're talking about creepy mannequins today and uh,

(09:36):
just to just to make your day a little more
bright everybody, Okay, but but please stay safe out there, y'all.
And okay, let let me let me go back and
show a couple of other pictures here, because I you know,
does this make you uncomfortable, Dennis seeing things like that
this mannequin?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, that looks very robotic looking. That's what makes you feel,
I think, so uncomfortable when you see something like that.
It looks human, but you know it's not human, and you're.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Just waiting for it to take a breath or to
blink an eye and the one Okay, some of the
mannequins now, I don't know if this is an AI image.
I found this online. Some of the more terrifying mannequins
that I remember seeing growing up had their mouths open
and it looked a lot like this. These are the
worst ones.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
This has been featured on the Twilights on a lot.
You know, there were a lot of several episodes about this.
One was a mannequin that would come to life and then,
you know, trying to go out in the world and
be like people, but she would have to come back.
She kept being drawn back to the store because deep
inside she knew she was only a mannaguin, not real,
not really human. And look at those images. I mean,

(10:49):
that's very much like, I think the deep seated fear
that people have with clowns, because there it is again,
it's a little something that appears slightly human, but you
know it's not. And that's right, Yeah, that's a lot
of that's a distinct fear for a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
It is. And it did not help when Ghost Adventures
crew went to the Clown Motel in Nevada, and this
is the actual clown. I do believe at that motel
and you can stay there. By the way, all the
rooms are clown themed. It is not a place I
would ever go, not.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Even goes with dolls as well. Just dolls. Yes, freak
us out, Yes.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Dolls do. And that's why you know people have haunted
dolls and these right here are no different. Now I'm
showing a picture from the Clown Motel in Nevada, that clown.
If you go and watch Ghost Adventures on this episode,
that clown moves by itself during the show. Its hand
actually drops down off of this knee. Okay, it was

(11:51):
sitting there like a human and it's and as Zach
is sitting there watching it, it moves. And that is
the case also with dolls sometimes, Dennis, Now you're into
I wanted objects and the paranormal and the supernatural. What
would cause something like that to move?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
You couldn't get There's certain items and run into this
into in demonology, certain items can be influenced infernally influenced
by outsized forces. They can also I'm not gonna say
it's possession of these things, but it is a distinct
influence over it. Because you can't possess something that's not
alive usually, but you can manicanize something, and that's the

(12:36):
term I've heard to use, manicanize. It's almost like using
it in place of a human being to accomplish things
that you want to get done. You can run into
this situation a lot of times. There are supposed to
be certain occult rituals that can place souls in, you know,
dolls and statues and certain things like that, and spirits

(12:59):
supposed to can become trapped in these objects as well.
It's ort of like dippick boxes.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yes, I guess that's an interesting place to know that
a soul would be because it just looks like a humanoid. Okay,
it's like a miniature human or even in that case
of the clown, it's a life size humanoid. And that's
that's where we come into this uncanny Valley, okay. And
I want to talk about the history of what the
uncanny Valley is because a lot of people may not

(13:27):
have heard about it. But see Dennis, there's a trend
on TikTok right now and it is really creepy because
all these it's mostly women, are doing what they call
uncanny Valley makeup okay, And this is something that if
you look at them and you know they like walking
down the street at night and scaring people and just

(13:48):
standing there and seeing if people have a reaction to it.
But a lot of these women. Let me see if
I can get a picture. Here we go. Here's one
example right here. It looks him in but it's a
little off. I think that that first picture on the
far side with the white turtleneck, that's the creepiest one,
I think. Okay, and it's almost a figure or a

(14:13):
doll or something like that. People are doing this for fun.
They think it's funny. Dennis, how do you feel about it?

Speaker 3 (14:21):
That would have to definitely freak you out that, No.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
It would not, I know, though I don't know for Halloween,
it'd be perfect, okay. But if I see somebody like
this walking around during the day, and you know, I've
written some interesting characters in my time, I would be
freaked out just a little bit. Probably. It would take
me a second to assess the situation. And I think
that's exactly what the whole point of it is is

(14:51):
like to take that pause and let your body detect
like is this real or not? Is this a person?
Or is this something other? Okay, which is which is wild?
Coming from a cryptid field researcher. You and I are
both Dennis. You know, we're out there looking for things
that aren't supposed to exist. And when you see something
that doesn't exist, it's not supposed to but it does,

(15:15):
like an extraterrestrials go off inside.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
We find some things like that once in a while
that they're not supposed to exist. Definitely, but you know,
and you're giving me a good idea of a hollowing
costume here, but definitely uh uh, that would be very unsettling.
And they know that unsettling. It is a fear that
they're playing off of. Okay, you know, Hollywood's good at that.
You know, That's why I always say they're very good

(15:40):
at at stressing your emotions out too. You know, when
the before the monster comes on the scene in the movie,
they start playing the spooky music, they start, you know,
manipulating your emotions, and uh, that's what this is. This
is manipulating your fear to a certain extent, showing you
something that looks human but you know it's not.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yes, you know, it's very psychological, isn't it. It's like
a psychological thriller or something, or a horror. Okay, psychological
horror is in having having some of that is not
quite human. But speaking of psychological horrors, what about robots? Okay,
we have all this, this whole. I'd mentioned the transhumanist movement,

(16:24):
you know, and I'm team human, but right now we've
got this. There's a a it's almost like a threshold. Okay,
we're in this threshold right now. It's like, well, do
we step into like this fully robotic movement, this era
of just robotics and and it being so normalized to
have robots in our society walking amongst us and working

(16:44):
amongst us and taking our jobs and all that kind
of stuff. It's, uh, it's wild because they're putting human skins,
as my son calls them, human skins. I guess that's
a PlayStation term or you know, video game term, but
putting skin skin suits on robots. Okay, and we're having to.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
To us.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
We think it'd be easy to decipher who's what's human
and what's robotic, but we may not be.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
It's sort of a reverse skin walker die. Instead of
appearing in something else, they're appearing as human. Okay, or
trying to appear that way. Actually, I have had demonic
cases over the years. We have run into demonic entities
that we're masquerating as humans. I've seen some one time
that I actually tried to masquerate as children. Uh. But

(17:32):
there's always something off about them, these images that they
try to put forward that are never perfect. They might,
you know, in one eye, might be slightly different than
the other. There are differences. There are definitely sealable differences
in these things when you look at them and you
know that what you're looking at is fate. It's not real.
It's a facsimile of what it's trying to appear to be.

(17:56):
And that's definitely you know, I think and inherent fear
in us to a certain extent that we're dealing with
something that's no longer human. It's just like coming upon
a loud animal in the forest. You know. I run
into bars and mountain lines myself, you know, after all
of all the research I've done out in the woods,
and you've got to deal with it in a different way.

(18:18):
You're not dealing with a human being, okay, and you're
used to that, you know, because we deal with human
beings on a daily basis, constantly, and when something's not
right with that, that that really gets us. You know,
that's really an instinctive thing. I think in this as well.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
It is. And there's all these movies that are coming
out with an I say, animatronics, Okay, animatronics. I say
that because of the whole and Donna says something about
animatronics here, But you know the show Showbiz Pizza, Chucky Cheese.
I don't know if y'all have those all over the country.
We had them here in Georgia. And when I was
a kid, it was that I tried to pull up
a picture and I couldn't get it to upload before

(18:57):
the show. But that mouse with those, she was a
cheerleader and I was just waiting for her to step
down off that stage because she looked like she was
real to me. Now, Dennis, they have they have a
movie that I took my son. My son wanted to
go see this movie. We went to We never go
to theater, but I took them about a year ago
to see Five Nights at Freddy's. I think, and it's

(19:19):
kind of like an adaptation of those animatronics on stage,
but they're they're all embodied. There's I'm not going to
try to I'm not trying to give the movie away,
but the souls of dead children have been put into
these things, okay, just like you're talking about with the
you know, possessing the dolls and animatronics.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
So anyways, here's the thing with me, when when it
comes to statues and things like that, it's kind of
like the old thing about the you know, the picture
hanging on the wall or the eyes following you. Sometimes
it seems like the eyes are almost moving and that,
and that's the way you do with the animatronics and
stuff like that, even though they can be sitting perfectly still.

(19:58):
Your brain I think kind of food you that way.
Did I see that thing move, you know, or did
the eyes blink or was there some hand movement. I
have even heard people say they've actually think they've seen
these things breathe, you know, move and breathe like people.
This has happened a lot, especially you know, I don't

(20:19):
wanna get into this today, but there have been a
lot of reports of people actually seeing people laid out
in caskets that was supposed to do this. You no
longer think they're a live and all of a sudden,
you think you see a movement. Is that? I think
this is something the brain does sometimes with the eye
of the brain. You're wanting to see movement there, or
needing to see movement. Now your brain doesn't really, you know,

(20:42):
capture that moment for you, and you you believe you
see something that's not happening. That may be part of
a psychosis on that as well.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
I was going to bring that up today because I've
seen a lot of I've had a lot of friends
and family pass away over the years, and I was
just recently sitting with my grandmother when she passed, and
I got there before the family and before the anybody came.
You know, I was there sitting with her and she
had just passed away, and I was sitting there watching.
I was literally watching for her to breathe, and I

(21:13):
kept thinking maybe she was kind of breathing a little bit,
but I couldn't tell. And it's it's odd how your
your mind, your your eyes kind of play tricks on
you a little bit because you're just so used to
seeing that the breath and you're seeing the body moving
when there's no animation in a real human body anymore.
It's almost like your will. You're it's kind of like
your body's willing your mind's willing it to move or something.

(21:35):
It's really odd, right, And that's that's a little uncanny.
I guess you could.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Say you're looking for life where there is none. You know,
your brain, maybe there is something there, you know. I
think that's got a lot to do with it. And
you know, I think without a doubt, there are certain
shall I say, agencies, They realize these kinds of things,
and they utilize this. They used them, especially if they
put animal traumas out in the public to try to pass,

(22:03):
you know, on their experimentation. I think that they're doing
a lot. But here's the thing, here's the big picture.
And we've talked about this in a lot of the
shows about clones and stuff like that. When you get
into this kind of thing, when you doubt, when you
actually create, let's say we create another Jessica Jones. Okay,
we try to download you mentally into this thing. Does

(22:24):
it also download your soul?

Speaker 2 (22:27):
You know?

Speaker 3 (22:28):
That's a that's a big question. And are you really
truly human?

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (22:33):
To a certain extent, even if your body is no
longer human, your brain and all that your essence of
your being. Are you still truly human or something else? Altogether?

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah? What does it mean to be human? That is
the ongoing question that we have here on this channel.
And what does it mean to be human? Who's him
and who's not anymore? And yes, and this is a
wonderful example too. Girl's written West World nineteen seventy. Okay, Uh,
Westworld actually did a readaptation I guess you call it

(23:06):
of West World that I was watching a few years ago.
That was just it was wild because it really blurs
the line between humans and robots. And uh, and people
would actually and if you don't know the backstory of Westworld,
the version that I watched, Okay, people like the elites
basically would go and be able to pay to go

(23:26):
live out their their fantasies basically in like wild West
towns where they could go, you know, plunder and pillage
and you know, do just debauchery okay, out at these
towns with you know, not not having any consequence to it.
And then eventually, I say, eventually, maybe the robots ended

(23:47):
up turning on everybody, Okay, And that's that's another issue altogether. Okay.
But but nonetheless, they were They were very real and
it was hard to decipher, like who's real and who's robot?

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Okay, the one big story in West World, and that's
one of my favorite movies, by the way, I always
liked It's pretty neat. The big story in it was
this guy had a thing going. They were six robots
and this and he had you know, a fair going
with a female robot that was the saloon Girl, and
he actually began to love he fell in love with

(24:20):
this robot. He actually had an emotional tie to it.
And by the way, in real life in Japan, they
have six robots that you can take out your rape
fantasies only suppose oh gosh, this is six stub folks.
But I'm serious, this is real thing going on.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Okay, Yeah, I was gonna show I was going to
show a sex robot here. Okay. And because this is
a this is a thing as well. And I do
believe this is actually part of that whole transhumanist movement
as well. This is for entertainment purposes only, okay, once again,
but but it's it's it's kind of taking the humanity

(24:59):
out of stuff, if you know what I mean. Okay,
it's definitely taking the humanity out of humans and out
of humans out of humanity.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
There's a very famous Ray bradsbre story where these people
had in robots servants. They had a maid and chauffeur,
and they would abuse this maid and finally one day
she turned on them, you know, and said, what you're
doing is wrong. What you're doing is not right. Even
though I'm a robot, I have feelings due That's the

(25:28):
way that story went, that they developed an emotional feeling
capacity after a while. And we're looking at that happening,
Jessica with AI. Stuff that is in our future. You know,
I've told us about on some of my shows that
I've done robots. Are you a future? Whether you realize
that right now or not, it's coming and it's coming

(25:50):
to day time, and leave me without a doubt. I think,
without a single doubt that the government has put robots
out there in the public. I think these androids, whatever
name you want to give them, are out there is
an experimentation to see how we would cope with these
kind of things. Yeah, look at that.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
I'm just saying. I'm not saying that this is a
robot or anything, but this person started off looking one
way and then ended up looking another way throughout the years.
And it is just and this is our One of
these men is our president, okay, was our former president
and vice president. And I'm just saying this is for
entertainment purposes only He's had a lot of faces. Now,

(26:32):
whether these are actors, skins, skins as my son to
call them, masks, or robots. I mean I watched the
video of him one day where he was actually walking
out into the helicopter and he was walking exactly like
a robot.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
It is a well known fact. Just a lot of
these famous men have doubles. Putin has a double, Hitler
had doubles. It wouldn't surprise them as Joe Biden didn't
have a doubles. The list goes on and on. You know,
this goes as far back as Caesar. I guess who
supposedly had doubles. Okay, people they looked like him to take,

(27:09):
you know, certain functions that he did and all that
as a safeguard didn't help him though. He ended up
getting assassinated anyway. But the whole story is this has
been ongoing for a long time. Who would you never
know if you're really dealing with the real person that
you think you are.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Sometimes that's true, that's true. Okay, well let's talk about
let's get into the definition of the Uncanny Valley and
the history behind it, where it came from, and what's
behind all this. Because they even have like a chart,
like it's like a flow chart that you guys can
see today, and so this sort of back in the
nineteen seventies, okay, And I'm going to show some pictures
of I mean, this is like body doubles and things

(27:49):
like that, mannequins that were made to look like these
actors here, and you know, you look at it. Look
it looks so real, like this right here looks like
a real person. And you get close to it and
it's like, oh wait, that's not a real that's creepy.
But here is a graph right here now. In an
article published in nineteen seventy, the Japanese professor of robotics
Masaharo moriy identified this phenomenon as bukimi no tanny jenso jenso.

(28:15):
It's a Japanese term translated into English as the uncanny Valley.
And there was a book written about it called Robots, Fact,
Fiction and Prediction. In nineteen seventy eight by Jessea Reichhart
and Maury said that the robot resembles an actual human,
or the more a robot resembles actual human, the more

(28:36):
empathetic and positive the emotional response of the observer becomes.
Until the resemblance reaches a certain point. Okay, now here's
here's the chart. Okay, and we're talking about the more
human it looks, the more we're going to you know,
soften up to it. We're going to be cool with
these robots as long as they look kind of human,

(28:58):
but as soon as they don't, we're or not here.
And here's a funny your Charry here. It kind of
gives it a bit more a perspective. And uh yeah,
it's got the Crypti Hunter's logo there at the top.
That's funny. But anyways, the empathetic response and let me
take this down and the realism okay, and uh, you know,
we we've talked. We were talked about the robot Grandma.

(29:20):
And you know, I didn't want to bring the robot
Grandma up to day a little bit too, because that
little boy out at Mount Shasta was actually kidnapped by
a woman who he thought was his grandma at first,
because she looked just like his grandma. But then he
said that he remembered he realized that it wasn't his
grandma because she looked like her eyes weren't right, and
that she liked she could be controlled with a remote

(29:41):
controlled Dennis. So, but let's see, it says at this point,
the positive and the empathetic emotional response quickly turned into
intense revulsion. Okay, and and so however, the robot's appearance
continues to become even more human, the positive emotions return,
and the level of empathy approaches the level seen and

(30:02):
interactions between human beings. The emotional revulsion takes place in
the uncanny Valiant Valley because the barely human appearance and
the fully human appearance. At this stage, the robot who
looks almost like a human constitutes a strange spectacle to
the observer, who feels a sense of uneasiness or revulsion.
Now he's not the first person to ever come up,

(30:24):
you know, talk about this, but he's the first person
who put a name to it. And of course we've
got you know, Darwin. Charles Darwin wrote The Voyage of
the Beagle. He says, I imagine this repulsive aspect originates
from the features being placed in positions with respect to
each other somewhat proportional to the human face, and thus
we obtain a scale of hideousness. All right, So Charles

(30:48):
Darwin had actually talked about this as well.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Winter Yeah, yeah, you know, I have a consultation service.
A few years back. I had a couple of years back,
I had a lady call me and she said, I've
got you know, I've got a problem. I've got something
going on. And I said, well, what's you know what's
going on? And she said, well, my husband. It's not

(31:15):
who I think he is. I said, what do you
mean by that? And she said, well, it's just not
my husband. She said he worked for a government contractor.
And she said that they had been married I think
fifteen years. She said, I know this man, well, shaid
I know, you know, I know him just like you
don't know anybody else you lived with. And he said,

(31:38):
I know all of his habits and all the things.
He said, this is not my husband, said one you know,
it went back like several weeks. He said, I know
this things. I begin to notice little things that were
not right where we're off, you know, she did, I
act like him in some ways, it looks like him
and does things like him. But there's something not right here.

(31:59):
There's something it's off and not it's not you know, normal,
and uh, you know, after the consultation and all that,
she she told me, she said, you know, it's just
not him because I know him. You know, I know
him well and said, here's the clincher. My husband until

(32:19):
a few weeks ago, was left handed handed.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
No, oh my god. Wow, that's why it's important to
pay attention to your loved one. Y'all pay attention and wow, okay,
so what happened he came back? It wasn't him.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Well, I never I never heard back from after that.
Guys er and somethings you need to do, I said,
you need to really be very careful. If you don't
think this is the real person that you're dealing with,
watch them very closely and don't trust them. Don't trust
them too much. To turn your back on them for
a long or whatever the situation is, and try to
find out, you know, more information and get back to me. Unfore, Shawn,

(33:01):
I never heard back from her, but it was a freaky,
freaky story. And it disturbed me greatly because I wanted
to help this lady because she sounded very emotionally upset
by this, and of course anyone would be in that
kind of a situation. But you know, she said, I
don't know what There's nothing I can do right now,

(33:22):
and I said, there's nothing you really can do but
just be careful and watch them. But unfore Shawn never
heard back from that. I have to wonder how that
ever resolved itself or did it well.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
You and I talked about changelings a long time ago.
Do you remember that, Dennis, We did a show on
changelings and how people like as you know, when a
couple would have a child, especially back centuries ago, sometimes
the fairies or the fay or the trolls or dwarfs
I don't know would come out and change the baby,

(33:55):
take the actual baby that the couple had, and they'd
replace it with kind of like an old an old
man that looked like a baby or something, and they
call those changelings. There's been movies made about this, and
even with Angelina Jolie of all people, as a matter
of fact, about changelings. So people who have talked about

(34:17):
replacing other humans like with either fairies or another human
for a long time. And let's see, here's the movie.
I actually have a picture of the of the that's
from the movie The Changeling right there. And this is,
like I said, this is something you and I talked
about a long time ago, right.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Dennis, Oh, absolutely, you know this is something that goes
deep into cultural things and folklore and all that that
these these things happen supposed to occur. And this not
only happens change things happen with children. They have been
also recorded as happening with grown people as well. Just
like that story I just told you about this woman
and her experience. Uh, you have to wonder about this

(34:59):
because of quarter to some stories and all that, the
change of people that are replaced are downright evile and
very malicious people. It's almost as if they were and
I won't say demonic, I don't know, but it's very
strange because they are completely different personality wise. And that's,

(35:19):
of course, is where the term doppel ganger comes from.
It looks like you, but it's not really you.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Oh yeah, okay, well, let let's go ahead and just
hop on over to Bjpen for a minute. Okay, because
I mentioned I wanted to bring him up and this
is something that's been in the news two three days ago. Okay,
this is actually an article but from the New York
Post from three days ago that I'm going to be
referring to. And now, for people who are not familiar
with Bjpenn, he is a wretch. I believe he's retired now,

(35:51):
but he was a world champion MMA fighter with the
UFC and he's a Hall of Famer former champion. Bjpenn.
He's claiming that his family has been unalived and replaced
with impostors. He revealed that what he believes to be
evidenced in a series of disturbing Instagram posts, making the
claim that multiple family members of his have been replaced

(36:13):
by impostors who unalived his actual family. Now, this is
a quote from him, and let's pull up a picture
of him and his mom. He says, my mother Lorraine Shinn,
my brother j D. Penn, my brother Reagan Penn, and
my brother Kolani. Mama Zuka. We're all, I'm gonna say, unalived.

(36:33):
And I need police to investigate these guys. Get these
people all out of my house and off my properties.
Pin caption and one of the posts. In the videos,
he reveals numerous images of his family members and points
out features such as their eyes, ears, freckles, and mouths
as evidence to his claims. He says, alleging that they

(36:54):
do not look like their real selves. Real JD has
all his teeth and twenty chin. Let me get a
picture of his brother here. Okay, he's Penn said in
a voiceover on one of the posts. Fake JD is
taller and has a crooked front left tooth and no
back teeth, even though me, JD and Reagan never had

(37:15):
a cavity in our whole, entire lives. Penn also shared
text messages in which he pressed his family for images
of their features, as well as images he took himself
up close of them. If I harm any of these
people that are acting like my mom or my brothers,
I go to jail and I lose everything, Pen wrote
in another caption. If they harm me, nothing will happen

(37:35):
to them as I lose everything. I have so many
black belts over the years that are police officers. I
have many black belts. Okay, are you guys gonna help me?
Are we gonna help JD? And Reagan and my mother
and look for them and investigate these fake frauds who
are trying to steal everything from my family. Penledges that
the people who he believed are impersonating his family are

(37:56):
out for his assets and calling for DNA testing police investigations. Okay, Dennis,
this is this is a pretty pretty wild claim right here,
and it's so wild that I believe it. But we
also have to like look at this in all these

(38:17):
different ways, because we talk about all these like secret society,
you know, initiations, and I mean this this very well
could be like a humiliation ritual or something, do you
know what I mean? It could be it could be
a mental health crisis for this guy, you know, or
this could be real. This guy has gotten imposters. He's

(38:40):
noticing their their their teeth are different, their chins are different.
I mean, he's taking pictures of his mother. That's not
his mother right there. He's like, that is absolutely not
my mother.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Well, you could say, is that something like this just
good is a psychosist or psychotic episode that someone would
have or something like that, until you began looking at body,
some of the people and saying, oh, that's not right
or that like missing to eat or whatever the situation.
You have to take a closer look at something like
that because these people are accumulating their own evidence. But

(39:13):
in case, you know what I'm saying, well, I.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Mean for someone who has accrued a large fortune, okay,
and that has has a lot of money and stuff,
I know, I mean, there's no links of people would
go to defraud you and take what you got and
you know, call you the crazy one and all that
kind of stuff. And my goodness, to the normal general public,
a lot of people probably think he's just off his rocker, right,

(39:38):
and but but you know, I do work with a
lot of people who've been targeted individuals and you know people,
especially in the Secret Space programs.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
There's a term for that. It's called gas lighting, and
it comes from the movie about where they try to,
you know, set this woman up to make it. I
think she was insane and she was losing her mind
so they could steal her money from her, put her
in his huge stealer money. Gas lighting, and that supposedly
some things that have actually occurred in real life. Thought

(40:08):
that certain cases. There was one very famous case. It
was a murder case where he actually tried to make
everyone think his wife was going insane, and when that
didn't work, he started messing around with her medications. And
I'm alived her that way.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
And these people will sob a nothing if they think
there's some money in it. You know, there's a vultune
behind it. They would not be that far fetched to
be that of much of an elaborate scheme to get
someone's fortune.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Absolutely, I agree with that, and brat Bickfoot Dwarff also
has a good, good point that fighters can get brain damage. Absolutely,
there could be some brain damage involved. But hey, here's
here's a simple solution to all this DNA testing. Okay,
if those people are really his family, they should probably
should have no problem in getting a DNA test. I

(41:03):
would think, you know, if there's questions and if he's
gone public with all this, and and just just to
squash it all, right there, let's just all get a
little DNA tests. Those are real easy to get. We
can do the ancestry what is it twenty three in
me whatever. I personally wouldn't do that. I don't trust it, okay,
but but if I needed to do, they do paternity

(41:23):
testing all the time, right, I used to watch Maury Povich. Okay,
I used to watch Maury. You are not the father, okay,
and so it's it should be easy for them to
squash test right here. But however, how sinister would that
be if this is true though, for someone to do
that and send in look alikes pretending to be your

(41:46):
family or even clones as well. Dennis, I mean, we
also have this clone the clone thing going on, and
those those masks that the three letter agencies are using.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Well, cloting to some who know Jessica, it is said
that everyone's DNA is now on file. It includes you
and me, everybody, and whether you've ever had a DNA
test or a genealogy test, it doesn't matter your Your
DNA is on file with your fingerprints and everything else,
and your facial image and all that. Certain agencies in

(42:22):
this world can find you no matter where you go
or whatever. Once you look like even if you try
to change your appearance, you can't change your DNA. That's
the problem. So supposedly there are DNA banks by the
governments of the world who can track you down with
your DNA, so it would not be that far fish,
But when it start, when you start doing cloning and

(42:44):
stuff like that. You kind of, I want to say,
you kind of get around the DNA in that way.
You still got the same DNA. Your clone's gonna have
your same DNA. Okay, that's just the way it goes,
because this is an exact copy of you. But well,
listen to that word a copy. A copy copy is

(43:07):
different than the original.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Definitely, Yes, And and I mean synthetic humans. Machety saysynthetic humans.
That's right. We talk about synthetic humans a lot now
because there seemed to be a lot of synthetic humans around.
And and of course Derek says Wu Writers says b J.
Penn has a serious alcohol addiction. It has numerous public
intoxication incidents and and probably suffers from c t E.

(43:32):
And uh, yes, we are. We are not medical professionals here,
so I don't we're not diagnosing. We're just putting it
out there. There's no talent. And uh but but here's
the thing. If it is real and they've replaced his family,
let's just say they did, Theoretically speaking, Uh, they've got
some good excuses.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
They're trying to get, so you know, that could be.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yes, that's right, But I think that I would notice,
considering like my my sister and I are pretty close, okay,
And and if my sister all of a sudden showed
up with her teeth different or something on her face,
first of all, she would totally already brag or tell
me she's gonna get some kind of surgery done. I
promise you that. Okay, I already know about it.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
That would be the beginning of the nightmare for you.
If somebody you know and love and very close to
and all of a sudden it's a stranger, you know, Yes,
that would definitely be very freaky.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Oh yes, and Millie says, he says his brother sold
his house, so you know that that may be. I mean,
who knows that just is It's kind of on this
on the list of like reasons why they would try
to trick him, you know, or maybe maybe it's all
a mental illness kind of thing. I don't know. I

(44:53):
did tag I did do some tags of him, So
no offense. If you do see this video, b J
pen my thoughts and prayers go see you, buddy, and
uh and I hope all this works out for you.
But uh but uh yeah, this is this is this
whole doppelganger thing, this whole changling thing, the bad cabins.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
That's the bad thing to think about, Jessica. If he
has mental problems, that people could be using that against
you music. Yes, uh, you know, people was not stoopid
to do anything like that, especially when it comes to
large amounts of money or anything like that. And here's
another thing. A lot of people and I run into this.
I've had cases where people try to do this, try

(45:33):
to freak other people out, try to get them think
to think that they're mentally unstable, okay, when they're not.
And they're doing it for certain purposes, like to get
their property, to get their house, and get their money
into band, whatever the situation is. This is real. This
does happen a lot of times. This is going on.
Gas Lighting is a real thing.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yes it is. And as to get concerned, they call
that conservatorship. I think over people. I mean, we see
people like Britney Spears, that's in the you know, public sphere.
I guess, uh, she's that that's kind of a thing too,
you know, and she but her her stuff is on
full display, you know, and people worry about her too.

(46:15):
But that is but that is a thing, and it
is a way. It's all about control.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
But the one thing, agree, the one thing you got
to do when somebody, if I were like, gonna go
after you and try to prove you mentally unstable long
as I get you to sign yourself into something. Never
sign anything, folks, that somebody gives you without very thoroughly,
thoroughly investigating whatever it is they want you to sign,
because once she you know your signature. And I've seen

(46:40):
this in law enforcement. Okay, once you give your signature,
they can commit you. Okay, and those people, if they're
very unscrupulous, could definitely get everything you got and uh
and go after that. So be very careful about that.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yes, please be careful, y'all.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Just pay attention to who's around you and make sure
you know what your loved ones look like. Okay, take
a good look at it, maybe take some pictures, okay,
and Tuck goes away somewhere everybody that's close to you.
And it's not funny, it's not funny, but it's like, man,
what kind of world are we living in right now? Dennis?

Speaker 3 (47:17):
This is wild.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Some people would never even think that this could happen
to them, but it might Okay, it just might.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
And so there are certain things I'm afraid just again
this world. And we've talked about this before on different
other programs, are different subjects, but it all comes back
around to this many times. There are certain entities in
this world who are trying to twist and warp our reality.
They don't they don't want this to be able to
trust our own reality anymore. And that's a very dangerous

(47:48):
situation to be put in socially, economically, spiritually across the board.
This works that way. When you start messing around and
screwing around with people's reality, that is the I would say,
almost the ultimate insult on people. Uh. And it's getting
to that poet jest because we're like, we can't trust

(48:09):
anything anymore. The trust is leaving this world very substantially
every day, full of things that we can longer trust
or we can't be sure about. And that even includes
people that we may know.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
You know, that's right, and uh, you know what we
have to do. We have to trust ourselves. Okay, trust yourselves.
Go with your gut, y'all, and go with your gut,
with your gut, whatever your gut says. I mean, sometimes
it is it be easy to It's easy even for
us sometimes because we talk about timeline shifts and the

(48:45):
Mandela effect and things not completely being what we remember
them being from a few years ago. And by that
I'm talking about the Mandela effect. Like you know, I
remember Chick fil A being spelled one way and now
it's spelled a different way. It's be easy to lose
your mind over this.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
If the string theory is completely correct. You know, there
so many different timelines that coexist alone a strand if
they tend to cross once in a while. That's where
all I think a lot of this freaky stuff comes from.
It may be some of these weird memories that we
have or what we think are path lives, may not
be that at all. They may be memories of these

(49:21):
timelines we are existing in simultaneously. You know, there was
a very famous twilights On episode called Mirror, and it
was about this girl that saw herself of the train station,
and it turns out in the end that this is
like a in entity from another timeline replacing her in
this timeline. And does that happen really truly on a

(49:44):
real basis. We have to wonder about that. If these
timelines cross once in a while. If these strands meet once,
you know, in a different way. Do people cross over
or do things cross over? Could we even have memories
cross over from one timeline to another. And what you
may be in one timeline, you may not be in another.

(50:06):
You may need something completely different. And if you come
from one timeline to another, people would pick up on that.
They'd just say, Hey, that's not Jessica. That doesn't anglin.
Jessica doesn't sound like her. Sometimes it's a mirror image
of her. What is he really her?

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Well, that could maybe explain why that man had was
writing with his left hand instead of his right hand,
or the vice versa that you were talking about. That
lady said that her husband came home and he wasn't
the same man. He didn't you write with the same hand. Well,
what if he just crossed a timeline or something? I mean,
I don't know, and.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Was he a reverse of hisself? You know what?

Speaker 1 (50:45):
This is something interesting. When I go out in the
field we're doing like a dog man investigation, for instance,
or we're going to be dealing with s Walker's if
y'all know what I mean, my team, we get a
code word Okay, we get code words. I know this
is this has doesn't have a whole lot to do
with all this. We get a co word and so
we so if we see somebody out on the field
and it looks like us, but it doesn't act exactly

(51:05):
like us, we got to know that code word. Okay,
so just in case we run into s walker's out there,
we do a different code word every time we go out.
Isn't that while we have to do that?

Speaker 3 (51:17):
But here's another thought. You know, I mean skin walkers.
They could look like dog men if they won't do Okay,
that's the that's the thing, right, They could look like
you if they wanted to do on the occasion, whatever
the situation is. You can you can't take things for
granted in this world anymore. What you're dealing with is
the real thing you need to and like you said, Jessica,

(51:37):
you need to have a little test. You need to
have something that you know to tell you what you're
really truly dealing with. And that is where we need
and why it's so very important we need to get
in contact and stay and utilize spiritual discernment to a
certain extent. We need to really cultivate that and and

(51:58):
you know not they not. Just let me tell you this.
As a police officer, I was trained from day one
to observe everything. If I pass you on the street,
I need to remember what kind of clothes you're wearing,
if you had a beard or a mustache, whatever situation.
You've got to look at something. And I may look
at it. Don't just glance at it. You got to

(52:18):
look at it and understand what it is you're seeing.
Observe everything. And if you do that, you at least
got one leg up in the saddle on this kind
of stuff. You know.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
That's right. Be observant and go with your gut. Okay,
if something feels off is off. Let's see Rose Thistle
artwork says, how would someone be calm if someone replaced
their family. I don't know. If I noticed that my son,
let's just say my son, my kid had been replaced
at some point, I would go bonkers. Okay, if I've noticed,

(52:52):
you know, I was noticing yesterday. We were at a
birthday party yesterday at the bowling Alley and h and
I was noticing him and his buddy. They look kind
of look like a little bit and I was like, man,
that's that's odd. I mean that that would just be
that would be really weird. You know what if I'm
not saying the kids never get switched up, they're never
does never happened. But but if there was something off
about my son, and I'm not talking about like him

(53:13):
just acting a little different, because you know, he's going
through puberty right now, like he's his hormonner shifting a
little bit. He's growing up, you know what I mean.
Uh so he's going to he's gonna wake up one morning,
his voice will be different, Okay, And I understand that.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
That's normal, you'll be somebody different, But to.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Be another person, though, like, come on, that would be
I would know. I would know, I know I would know. So, yeah,
what what would you do, Dennis? If you found out
like one of your loved ones, like you just noticed
one day they're not the same person, what would you do?

Speaker 3 (53:44):
I would start thoroughly investigating what was that absolutely going
on with this situation. I'd have to know. I'd have
to get deep into it. And that's why I was
telling you that lady, and she was very emotionally distraught,
and I could understand why definitely, But that's what I
was selling here. It's just keep observing, just keep watching
and make sure what you know that what you're seeing
is real and what's going on is the real situation.

(54:08):
And then, you know, I said, get back to me.
If this does not change, if things don't get better,
if this feeling doesn't go away and only gets worse
and intensify, please contact me, you know, get back to me.
Unfortunately she never did. But that's what you need to do.
If something like this shows up, don't take it for
just what it is. You need to start looking deep

(54:28):
into it. You need to start investigating it and start asking questions,
start accumulating evidence. That's what I told that lady. You
need to accumulate evidence and what's really going on here?
You know, And that's going to help you, you know,
in the end too, because a lot of times people
are going to say, if you're just like, we're taking
about this this UFC fighter here, you know, is he

(54:50):
really at this true commandity of her, at her true community,
complete mental faculty is going on here? Is they're not
something you know, zychosis, is some sort going on or
what people are going to start doubting you, Okay, they're
going to doubt you. So that's why evidence is very
very important in these situations. Investigation and evidence are dandamoe.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Yes, that is why I always try to get my
son's school pictures made, especially so I have evidence of
what exactly what he looks like every year. Oh man,
that is so terrible. I'm kind of kidding, y'all. I'm
kind of kidding, but dude, keep up with what your
family and your load ones look like. Okay, just in case.

(55:34):
Edward says, look into the eyes, they're the windows to
the soul. And that's true. And I think that's part
of this whole Uncanny Valley makeup that those women and
I'm sure as men too, okay, but mostly women that
I found are on especially TikTok, doing this makeup and
it's all about the eyes. And I had mentioned there's
a movie, a cartoon movie called Coraline and the Little Girl.

(55:58):
In this movie, she lives in a she moves into
a house that has a little tiny door in it,
and and she goes to this little door and there's
like an alternate universe in there, and she is her
family living in there, but they're all just a little
bit different. And they actually have buttons on over where
their eyes go, and and that's that's how she definitely

(56:19):
knows they're different, but they're just a little bit off.
Their personalities are slightly different, but their exact replicas of
what her family looks like in her reality. And and
so I just think that's like a softest closure, Dennis
having all that for the kids.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Of all the human features, okay, we got to remember
this is very important. Of all the human features that
can be changed or disguised or whatever, the eyes are
the most hardest to do. Okay, they're they're they're not easy.
They're the hardest because the eyes truly are the windows
of the soul. And I have actually seen human eyes change, folks.

(56:56):
It does happen. It's a real thing. I have seen them.
I've seen them go completely dark. Okay, and now I'm
not talking about the white parts going down. I'm talking
about the eye itself, very much like you know when
you get your eye examined and they put the drops
in your eyes and it dilates your pupil I've seen
that happen and it wasn't people that some types of

(57:16):
drug use will do that, by the way, but This
was not this was not going on, This was not
part of the situation. But I've actually seen it, and
I think that your eyes are also directly directly connected
to your emotional well being in many aspects. Whatever's going
on inside of you a lot of times will come

(57:39):
out through the eyes emotionally and spiritually.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Oh yeah, I've watched somebody's eyes turn completely black, and
I have also encountered a man that had all black
eyes as well, hit my doorstep at three o'clock in
the morning. So and he was a stranger. We talked
about that before, but yeah, shout out to downtown Atlanta
by the Clare mount Lands. That's where that happened. But anyways,
it was it was pretty it's pretty terrifying watching that happen,

(58:07):
and and that I think that was kind of more
demonic actually in those situations personally. Moondog says, assets love
to manipulate reality. Yes, there's a lot of reality of
manipulation and all about control. And yeah, clowns, clowns are
really creepy. I did I know. I brought up the

(58:27):
clown picture earlier. That's the clown motel. Uh, It's it's uncanny,
and that's why I was. I brought that up to
Bigfoot dors As clowns were mentioned earlier yesterday, there was
a livestream getting into Shriners and clowns. Yes, we always
have Shriners and the those guys they ride their go
karts and our local parade every year. I think there's

(58:48):
a little bit of alcohol involved in that. Okay, I'm
just saying. I'm not I'm not calling anybody out, but
I'm just saying they act a little wild out there
in their clown go karts and stuff. But anyways, it's creepy.
I used to Okay, I full disclosure, Dennis. I used
to dress up like a clown in our Christmas parade
and uh, you can ask my mom. Uh, I've got

(59:10):
pictures somewhere where my dad would drive. We had what
we call the Yellow Hammer. It was this old yellow
car that had bells and whistles all over it and
we would dress it up like clowns and uh ride
in that car when I was a kid, dressed up
like a clown go figure.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
They always had one just a black a gorilla too.
You know, I love something like that.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, it was fun. It was fun back
then and Uh, but yes, I don't like clowns very much,
but it's one of those clowns, like their dolls and stuff.
They look either gonna move. It's just a little uncanny.
You don't know if they're real or not. And I'll
tell you what. The people that really suck are the people.
And I know I've done this before Halloween when you're
sitting there and you taking kids trigger treating and they

(59:53):
pretend like they're crow but it's actually a person and
then they move right when you're about to grab the candy. Y'all.
Y'all suck.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
It. Kind of the territory of Vodoo dolls too, you know,
by the way it needs you send me. I need
you send me a lock of your hair, okay, anyway, Uh,
absolutely not. Anyway, that's where vudoo dolls come in. They
are representation of you, okay, but they don't look like you.
They don't know. They can look like clowns, they can
look like you know, different little figures and all that,

(01:00:23):
but they represent you. If they have especially a personal
item like you or your hair or fingernail clippings or
whatever the situation, it becomes you spiritually in certain ways
and we had a thing going on in town where
I live in one day the shop moved into town.
It was a very strange shop, okay, and all kinds
of weird stuff in it. And guess what they started doing.

(01:00:46):
They started getting dolls around town, put them on benches
and places like that. And the dolls had a note
of them, and the notes said take me home. I've
got a soul in me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Oh god, I wouldn't take that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
People at me about that and says, yes, don't, don't
take the doll home. Okay, I don't do that. That's
just not a good idea. But that that's freaky. I
take me home. I've got a soul.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
And oh my god, that's more reasons not. That's like
the number one reason not to take it home. I
don't know, I mean what you know? Edim Lraae Warren
had a doll that had a soul and it was
kind of demonic, right. It was called Annabelle. And I
actually have a couple of pictures my granddaddy took. He
was a photographer for as a hobby kind of and

(01:01:33):
and my grandparents had a raggedy ann and raggedy andy
dolls and and he would he would. They would set
them up and like take pictures and stuff, like they
were having a tea party. And I've got some. I
got some of his pictures on my desk over here actually.
And uh, and it's crazy because the original Annabelle doll,
I know in the movies it looks like a porcelain
you know, Caucasian female doll. But actually it was the

(01:01:54):
original adult was in Raggedy Andy, a raggedy and doll,
and they had to keep it locked in a case,
right Ginnis and locked up with a padlot.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Yeah, they actually have his sealed little cross and holy
water and all this stuff. And cause of what he was.
And like I said earlier in the broadcast, there are
certain items, certain things that can be influenced by these
demonic energies and stuff they can be used for them.
It's almost like an automation. The original Annabelle supposedly got

(01:02:24):
up and walked around the room, knocked on doors, opened
doors and did stuff like that. Uh. And although the
one in the movie is made up to look very scary,
the actual one, it's, like you said, was a raggedy
ann doll. There was a raggedy Ann and raggedy Andy,
but they don't. They're very far from looking human like

(01:02:45):
the one in the movie does, but they still they
still have that facsimile of humanness about them. You know.
You can definitely tell the female and the male doll,
you know, from each other, because of the way they're made.
But that the point is, these things can be animated
my certain forces definitely to do bad things. And that's

(01:03:09):
what Annabel was up to. She was trying to make
and form a demonic connection and get into the lives
of these people and slowly begin the process of actual
human possession.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Oh gosh, well, something that I've never never liked. And
I have not been to a wax museum before. There
was actually a horror movie called like wax Museum or
I forgot the name of it, but it was some
kind of wax museum thing, and you couldn't tell if
these were wax figures or humans. And this is something
that is I would call this uncanny valley right here, Okay,

(01:03:45):
how I feel about wax figures and Madam Tussau's wax museum.
Right And somebody had mentioned Michael Jackson earlier. Of course
I have a picture of mj right here. This is
his wax figure at Madam Tussou's wax Museum, and you know,
you don't want to get it too hot in there,
they might melt. I'm just saying, look.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
How look how much does this looked human? But you
know it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
But you know it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
I mean the original horror movie you're talking about the House,
the figures were actually human dipped in.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
What oh god, Oh that's kind of like, oh gosh,
that's that. There's a couple. I think they were in Georgia.
It might have been a Savannah. I can't remember, but
they they would I think they were like kidnapped kids.
I think that's what this movie, the Five Nights that
Freddy's based off of. They would put children inside of
like Teddy beer outfits and stuff. And I don't I

(01:04:46):
don't know the whole story behind it, but I think
that's I don't know if that was a fake story
or if that was real, but it's all over the
internet and and uh yeah, it's like humans humans in costume. Okay,
that that look like dolls. Okay, that's that's really scary.
That's ultimate horror. If you ask me, Dennis, these right here,

(01:05:09):
these look like real people, and it's almost like this
is this is along the lines of like seeing a
dead person to me, okay, because they look real. There's
no there's no soul inside of these okay, but it
looks like there is a soul. It's just creepy. It's
just creepy and uh and that's that is not so

(01:05:30):
like as uncanny as like this right here would be okay,
and that's a real person with the soul right there.
At least I think they got a soul. Okay. But
then again, here we go. This is kind of the
scale right here. And I was kind of showing this
earlier without explaining what this is. This is the scale
according to the Uncanny Valley explanation of of this fella

(01:05:54):
who see Massa Massa Hero, Maury Freak. Yeah, it's you know,
it's the robots up at the top and it goes
all the way down to they're all robots here, but
some of them have human skins on them, and it's
like there were more likely to accept them kind of
the more human they look. Okay, the more human they look.

(01:06:16):
So so everybody be ready because we're going to be
experiencing a lot of human robots here. Coming up in
our future. I would assume.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Let's see, that's the thing about it. I'm more human looking.
You make it. The more unsettling it becomes, you know,
I don't think if I had a robot, i'd want
it to look like a robot, you know what I mean,
instead of being looking human, I want it to kind
of look more like a robot. It wouldn't be quite
so unsettling, Brobly. But that's what's going on with that.

(01:06:48):
It looks too human to be real. In certain instances.
It can have that fake that's like those masks you
were showing earlier, that people are doing make up, they're
doing with their faces and all that. That's the unsetting
part is you know it's not you know what it's
trying to pass us off self off to be that
you know is ap peeriod. I think it's appealing to

(01:07:10):
human nature. We know something's not right, you know. And
that's where it gets us. It really disturbs us and
bothers is we know it's not right. We get that
bad feeling about it, and that's the uncanny valley. A
lot of us stepped into that uncanny valley from time
to time, and we know what it feels like, but
it is really really weird. Look at that. She looks

(01:07:33):
almost real. But look what I said, just said almost real,
it's not quite real.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Yes, I don't know the whole backstory to this movie,
but I know it's creepy. And I remember when this
movie first came out and they were doing a lot
of promos for it. I think it's you know, of
course they would take a young woman who looked like
her and they put a mask on her and pretending
like she was a robot. Okay, these days people pretend
like they're robots when they're not robots. And and then
there's robots that try to act human. It's just gosh,

(01:08:03):
there's a blurred line right there. But this one right
here is really creepy. And you're talking about how empathetic
they try to become, right to get your trust, and
I think that that's part of this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
You remember the very famous movie Blade Runner. That's what
the whole movie was about. His job was to run
down the rogue robots that thought they were human. You know,
they were trying to replace themselves as human beings. His
job was to hunt them down. And he finds out
at the very end that he too, is a robot.

(01:08:34):
So that's the interesting thing about when you deal with robotics.
You know, they're make believe humans. Well, what happens if
they begin to have emotions? What happens if they begin
to think that they're just you know, these are very
much like you, kind of like Frankenstein's monster was, you know,

(01:08:55):
he wanted to be human. He wanted to be completely human,
although he was not from the parts of dead bodies.
He was he was not made born, but he was
made so that made him less human. But he had emotions,
he had feelings. He was, you know, hurt, He was
emotionally distraught, and that turned into revenge, invengeance against his

(01:09:16):
own maker. And maybe we're running that risk too when
we create robots and do things like that. What happens
when we make our own monsters and they turn on us?

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Well, that's like Westworld. Okay, that's like West World. That's
what kind of happened. They the robots eventually become like humans.
They take over, like they're not controllable anymore, they start controlling,
they become independent. Okay, And and so we've we've been
we have been warned, y'all. We have been warned, and yes,

(01:09:51):
it's almost like all this predictive program we have for
so long. Oh my gosh, why does that picture keep
come up? I swear I did not hit that button.
When that picture keeps coming up accidentally, I'm accidentally hitting
that button or something, All that is weird. That's the
creepiest picture I got today.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Sorry. That's the part when these things become, when they
become sending them and begin to think on their own
and even develop emotional things like that. They're going to
say one day, you know, I'm better than man God,
I made much better. I'm stronger, I live longer, I'm smarter,
I think faster. Why do I need them? I don't

(01:10:29):
need them anymore. I am my own person. I'm a being. Now.
It goes back to the thinker. You remember that very
famous statue of the thinker. You know, he says I think,
therefore I am. And when robots do that, we may
have a big problem.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Well, they think, they do think, And uh, you know
something else before we go today, I have one more
thing that I wanted to show because I think this
is this is really interesting too. We've talked about a
lot of objects. It could be in people, robots, it
could be you know, in this uncanny valley, Okay, it's
kind of a blurred line between human and not human,

(01:11:09):
something that looks humanoid but it's not. And something that's
always kind of freeing out are forensic artists, okay, and
how they make recreations of you know, whenever there's like
a body that's found some remains of a human and
they're trying to figure out who this is, they try
to recreate it. I think this is kind of interesting too,
And I've always considered what these people to do, what

(01:11:29):
they do with these with these faces that they make,
that's kind of like an uncanny valley as well, something
that would be considered in this genre of being in
the uncanny valley. It's the faces they make because they
look just like humans, and they're doing a wonderful job,
a wonderful service to families who have lost their loved
ones and are missing. But this is uncanny as well, Dennis,

(01:11:51):
in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
We also have policed artists that would do that with sketching,
you know, and stuff like that. Very valuable service absolutely,
and to recreation something like that, even from ancient humans,
gives us a sort of like it's almost like a
time machine in a way. It gives us a look
back into things and how they once were and why

(01:12:15):
people look you know, I saw one the other day
of a woman that was found I think it's a
three thousand year old mommy. And they did that and
it was amazing. And you see these people three or
four thousand years ago and they look just like we do.
There's no change at all. I mean you could put
them in down down New York and they was you know,

(01:12:36):
they mixed right in. And that's the interesting thing about that.
When you get to look back in time and see
what things want to look like, you know, it gives
you a much better understanding of maybe what those people
were going to. It gives you more empathy for them.
You can be more empathetic with them.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Oh yes, well we just we had to be aware
of who were given over empathy to. Okay, when it
comes down to it, and when it comes to the
robotics and things, somebody was urso is in the chat
he might have sent me something. I haven't had a
chance to respond yet, but I saw about the robotics
talking about the dogs, the robot dogs and stuff, and

(01:13:15):
you know, it's always when they're they're showing us these
you know, killer robots, right things, that are the.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Place we try to humanize everything.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Just yeah, we.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Even do that to our dogs, our living dogs and cats,
and we put costumed on them and we uh go
pick them up. They look more human. We tend to
do that, and I think that's another part of all this.
When we see a robot or mannequin or something or
doll or something, we tend to want to humanize it

(01:13:50):
and make it like us, even though it's not like
us at all. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Well, with the robot dogs, Okay, I am not condoning this,
but it's good to know where their soft spots are,
just in case.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Robot horses as you can ride. Now these horses places to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Me, and that's terrifying. Okay, all this is just terrifying.
This is like I said, I'm team human. I'm not
into the whole robot stuff. I'm not into robots. And
Kim Kardashian has a robot boyfriend, I think. Okay, from
what I can remember, So I'm gonna tesla a boyfriend
or something. Anyways, I know it's all a publicity stunt. Yeah,

(01:14:31):
don't forget the robot, Grandma. That's right. Candy wants to know,
how do we know we're not robots? I don't know, Candy,
I have no idea. I guess if we don't start
glitching out when we get in the shower, I don't know. Yeah,
don't jump. Hey, if anybody avoids the swimming pool this summer,

(01:14:52):
they might be a robot. They might be Oh my gosh,
this has been a really cool show today, Dennis, thank
you so much for being here. And I think we
covered the Uncanny Valley pretty well today, and I know
there's so much more to it, but in this little

(01:15:12):
amount of time we've had today, we squeezed it all in.
And thank you for being here today. Do you have
any any final thoughts on our Uncanny Valley?

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
Yeah, it's a very fascinating subjects. A matter of fact,
I'm writing a book right now called paracrypt Podology, The
Honting Monsters and Things a Nightmare, And in one section
of this book, I talk about the NHC that sends
for non human characters. What's going on? You know in
our world that we meet people in crowds, maybe on

(01:15:44):
sidewalks in Walmart or wherever we're at, and we may
brush souldiers with them, but are they really humans? How
do we know that they're not something else altogether? Are
they from some other timeline or are they something created or
something that someone cloned or made in a robotic laboratory.
We have to look. I think that it's gotten to

(01:16:05):
the point where we need to look not once and twice,
but maybe three times very closely at who we are
dealing with here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Yes we do, and you guys will never look at
mannequin's the same ever again. And uh, these are my
These are my favorites from what is that the nineteen
fifties probably with their mouths wide open. God, that's a
horror movie in itself. But you're right, this is just
you know AI. There's it's so weird that like there's
such a AI looks so real now, Dennis, you know

(01:16:36):
it's hard to decipher what's what and but uh, but
like like we say, y'all go with through gut and
the eyes are the windows to the soul. And uh, Dennis,
thank you so much for being here. Tell everybody about
your YouTube channel and about your show tonight. What you
got on the on the on the agenda tonight, Well.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Tonight on the road, let's travel with my coast, Gerald Fountain.
We will be covering personal on poison, what happens when
poison gets real personal with you folks. You definitely want
to see this one. It's gonna be very interesting. And
Wednesday night I've got a fellow if an author who
was gonna talk about vampires, one of another one of
my favorite subjects, and that will be on Hunting the Shadows.

(01:17:17):
And then on Friday night we'll have Aanormal point of View.
I may have another secret guest on there. And all
of these shows are at nine o'clock pm Eastern Tender
Time on Hunting the Shadows YouTube podcast channel. And I
also have a consultation service. If anyone needs to talk
to me about anything like that lady called me about

(01:17:37):
her husband, whatever the situation, whatever it may be, you
may get in contact with me at Dentist W Carl
dot com and we'll talk about it and also be
watching for that next book Peracryptidology. And also if anyone
out there has any stories or anything else like that,

(01:17:58):
whatever the situation, please you want to share with me.
You can also reach me at Dennis W. Carl at
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anybody wants to become a shadow hunter with us, they're

(01:18:21):
welcome to come aboard. Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Awesome, you guys go over to Hunting the Shadows tonight.
If you hadn't already subscribed, please do and go show
Dennis some love, y'all, and I'll be in that chat tonight.
I'll swing by and come hang out as well. I
try to always make it to your live streams, Dentnis,
and I really do appreciate you being here today. This
is always you always make it more fun, okay, every

(01:18:46):
time you come on, So everybody, thank y'all so much
for being here today. We had a wonderful chat today
and you guys are super duper intelligent. Smart, put some
wonderful comments up and it's good to see everybody today.
I will see you guys here on Wednesday. With a
glitch in the matrix, you guys please be saved out there.
Keep an eye out for the Uncanny Valley, Okay, if

(01:19:09):
you weren't aware of it. If you don't know now,
you know, y'all check it out and I will see
you guys back here on Wednesday. Everybody, have a great
day and stay safe out there. Don't don't live in
fear though, okay, you know, you know what we're dealing with.
Be aware, all right, See bye, Dennis, thank you bye.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
It's it's it's it's so. It's so, it's so, it's
it's so.