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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody, and welcome back to another episode of the
Colt Fault podcast. I'm at crime Con this week, so
I've decided to throw an episode together give you an
idea of what you might experience if you attend crime Con,
or what you might have seen if you were here
this weekend. If you weren't able to make crime Con,
then on the twenty seventh of September, we will be
(00:22):
in Manchester and Manchester is promising to be another incredible event.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You can visit Crimecon.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Dot co dot uk and use the code cult cult
to get ten percent off your tickets and visit the
UK's biggest true crime event. I created a little game
for people to play, and while anyone who came to
the table had to go, I also asked a few
of the content creators to give it a try and
this is how it went down.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
We are going to I don't have an episode to
release the tomorrow, so this is me make them one right. Hello,
Sarah Faris from Climbercon and stop the killing and plugless and.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Producer watching stell done. So you are the pod queen.
I'll take that and I'm gonna ask you to join
me in a game of red.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Flag grabbuts oh my gosh, I'm well one loving the
I'm like, you know, like the extended four as we would.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Call at school.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, red flaggy right, yes you can't.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
They can't see what I'm talking about. No, I'll put
a picture one for media.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
So in this bag there are lots of different statements,
and you need to give each statement a.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Danger rating from one to ten.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
One is low and ten is high. There's no vital
wrong answers, whatever you think.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Okay, here we go. Number nine. If you leave everything
we taught you.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Will fall apart.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
That's a hi high rating for me. Yeah, so ten
being high, one is low, turn is high. Yeah, you
know if you ask, say, for me, it's a ten
because I don't really think there's anything in between.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
For me, if I see like a red flagging statement,
it's immediately a ten, so I can't like gradiate it.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And that's perfect. Yeah, and I think I explanation. I'm
very black and white like that. Well, thank you very much,
and I like that. I mean, it's not fun, but
it is, thank you. Oh okay, this looks interesting. We
are at the Soul table at Prome one. UK. We
(02:37):
hand this over and hello, would you like to introduce yourself?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Of course, some ship and this is Adam Face.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
And Adam Adams in the middle of eating something.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
So we're the co founders of a comedy called Bonus
Round and we make crime gigs. So this is a
new game called Solt literally launched today, thank you. And
in this me play detective. So there's one hundreds of
cases and what you do is to an interactive experience,
interrogate suspects, so you can literally ask them any question
(03:09):
that you like. And then after you've interelling it all
for suspects, you choose who you think did it and
that's the game.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Oh that's a lot of pressure because if you get
it wrong, do you get to go back on you? Okay, okay,
you do get the whole picture, even if it gets
the answer.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, obviously they can't see him. I'll show you. So
here you go. Here's the case. Is the case, some evidence,
and there's suspects. So let's let's choose this chat. There's Devin.
You can ask anything, so let's say what did you
have for breakfast? Okay, nothing to do with the crime.
(03:48):
But he'll then say if I didn't really breakfast, and
each character has our own personality.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And is cool. It looks really polished as well. It
looks like the ring is satisfying. Now, yeah, thank you. Well,
I'm here playing a game of red flag rad Bag. Okay,
so what we do with red flag rad bag.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
We are going to fish out a statement from this bag,
and on this statement it will it will be a
red flag statement that you have to determine the danger
level of that statement.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So one is low, ten is high.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
You can give that statement a number, but there's no
right or wrong answer.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's whatever you think.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Let's do it. Okay, says you should be grateful we're
even letting you be here. I'm going to give that
a fool feels a bit, feels a bit aggressive, but
context dependent, right.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Right, That's what a lot of people have said. I
think that's important.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, because you could just be I don't know, you
could be at an event that you were invited to
let you sneak in and they said you're looky, you're here, yeah,
or you could have murdered someone though, and they're like,
you're looky, your involderness because we're going to murder you
as well, oh.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Gosh, okay, so you really have gone one to ten.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Well I'm gonna stick.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I'm okay. Well, thank you very much, Adam. Would you
like a turn?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Everyone outside this.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Group is toxic. I don't know. I feel that is
prey toxic itself.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I'd maybe say, like a six.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Okay, a big context dependent again, isn't it definitely?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
But I feel that I don't know, those kind of
statements normally come from some kind of yeah, childhood trauma,
it goes.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I like just watching everybody's thoughts around as they try
and think of a number.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Brilliant. Thank you, Thanks so much. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So I'm here at my table and I'm sitting next
to Aaron from Generation Why, one of the oldest true
crime podcasts, And I'm also sitting next to.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
The host of Dig Up Your Mom. It's an incredible podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
If you haven't had listened, I highly recommend it. It's
the story of Northumbria's longest missing person case. On the Saturday,
I spent the day networking, chatting with guests and learning
so much about the true crime world and people working on.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
The front lines and at the forefront of some.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Of Britain's most notorious cold cases and those who are
pushing to change legislation to create a safer country. On
the Sunday, I was then lucky to introduce a session.
It was called it All Started at Pinkerton's and.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
My name is Casey.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Podcast, which is us Welcome today to discussions, dives and
discoveries into the world of true line.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
We're starting as we meet holiday conversations session.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Investigator and she coverses a market at the first this
second flasing career that helped reregation as women like boy
(07:21):
all started from.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Ali was incredible.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
She was so funny and she has had an incredible
career as a private investigator.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
She has a book.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Coming out soon, so if you'd be interested in learning
more about being a female private investigator in England then
you can pick up her book in August. And that
is Allie Marsh. She was so witty and so funny.
She had the crowd roar wrong with laughter.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
It was wonderful.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Later on today I will be presenting a panel on
the psychology of co Worse of Control with may of Adam,
who has been on the podcast before, talking about safeguarding
animals against abuse.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And the legendary Laura Richards from the Quiet Manal Lost podcast.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Laura Richards was instrumental in getting coercive control criminalized in
the UK. And I'm so excited to introduce and take
part in that pane of.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Hello microphone. We're playing a game of red.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Flag Rabbi and who am I playing with today?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Emma, Emma, I Emma.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
In this bag, there are lots of different red flag statements, okay,
and I'm asking everybody to fish a statement out, give
it a read, and then give it a danger rating.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
One is low, ten is high. But there's no right
or wrong answer. Okay, we'll help you grow, but.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
First you need to trust us.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Sling. Okay, will help you grow. First, you need to
trust us.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Crime.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
What do you think I'm I say it's very low
before Yeah, yeah, I think it depends who's saying it.
Who's saying it and where they're saying it.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Doesn't it's true, but actually just reading at the moment,
it sort of does depend on your perspective as.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
A parent of someone of the child has been murdered.
To have that, then I forgive this.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
But if it's coming from the other side and we
didn't do it, you need to trust us.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, that's a different people, is it is? But if
that was the context, would you give it a ten?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, without without thinking? Yeah, okay, brilliant, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Hi. I'm standing with murder Mike and I'm gonna ask
him to play Red Flag grab bag with me, where
you fish out a statement from the bag and then
you give the statement a danger rating from one to ten.
One is lower, ten is high, but there's no right
or wrong answer, so it's whatever you think it should
be rated up.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Okay, I'm going into the bag. I'm having a little
funnel in the bag I have. As I said at
the awards the other night, do not give a dyslexic.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Something to read out.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
So, uh, you're imagining.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Things that didn't happen. Okay, one to ten once, one
is low, ten is high. I wish watching the things
that did you happen. It's dangerous, isn't it? Because a
sense of reality is kind of key to everything we do.
So I would put it quite high.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Like an eight easily, because he can't trust his senses,
what can he trust?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Well? People that just want you to follow them without questions.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, someone eight? Thank you very much, Likay, thank you
very much.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I enjoyed playing Do you want to know anything about
canail boots?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You can have high and started with to do from
British Murders and we're going to play Red Flag brad
Bay where you fish out a statement.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
From the bag and you give it a danger rating.
What is low, tens hard?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
But there's no vital long answer, So that's whatever you
think statement should be.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Dennis, my just turns the highest. Yeah, and this game friends, hopefully.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Sure it says don't tell others what we discuss in
private sessions.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
So I wish don't tell us. That's a red flag
if someone said that to me. Don't tell others what
we discussed from a spouse or what up to you?
I mean, there's no context associated. But so it's whatever
you think you would rate it up. I mean if
I told that to my doctor, yeah, that'd be fine.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Don't tell others what we discussed in private sessions. That
that implies that I've told someone something from a private session.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I need context.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Fun.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Okay, what about it I said to you that you're
hearing it in the workplace in the work.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, that was probably about the six or seven.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
What if your partner sent to one to what if
you heard it down at the.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Pubs context depending, that's low again three ft. It's just
interesting to hear what people say. I mean, if it's
your spouse though you keep you're on private, don't. If
it's someone down the pub, it's probably a lot of ballots.
And if it's someone at work, then yeah, that's that
could be a little bit naught.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Thank you very much to put that back in Put
that back in there, and then I'm going to pass
the microphone over to Adam.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I Adam.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
So now I'm with Adam from UK True Crime and
we're going to play red brab red bagrap bag. So
I'm sure you know the rules at this point.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
If you quit, you're ruin your future. Seven any reasons why?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
I suppose it's just a word quit. I suppose I
said if you leave me, I'd give it a ten.
The word quit is quite ubicitus. What are you quitting
at the same reason why? But anyone that says you're
in your future makes those judgments to leg forget about you.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That's never a good thing. No, I agree, seven is
a solid number, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
So this is the true prim enthusiast, and we're going
to play red flag crap bag. Inside this bag there
are loads of different red flag statements. And if you
fish one out and give it a read and then
a rating from one to ten, the danger rating is
one thing low, ten being high.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
So how would you rate that if you heard that?
Speaker 4 (13:56):
You know, if you ask Bryan means you're still with
assist in the truth, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Four or five?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I would say, yeah or five?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I think some people have said it depends where you
hear it us. Yeah, of course if you heard that,
if you had overheard a couple having an argument and
somebody said that to the other one, I think they
are I think you would yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Would
you give it a different number if you heard it
in that context?
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Yeah, probably all that set I'd probably go about Samuel
right though, brilliant.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Thank you very much, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
We were asked to prepare two case studies to look
at in our specialist fields around for work of control.
First of all, I chose Nexium. Nexium, founded by Keith Rinieri,
was marketed as a self help and professional development organization,
but functioned as a highly manipulative cult under the surface,
(14:53):
it operated through coercive tactics such as financial and emotional abuse,
psychological manipulation, isolation in control within a secretive subgroup called doss.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Women were recruited into hierarchic.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Master slave into a hierarchical master slave system branded with
Ranieri's initials, and coerced into sexual acts under threat of blackmail,
using collateral like nude photos or damaging secrets to control
these women further, These behaviors reflect a clear pattern of
work of control, where a person uses fear, humiliation, and
(15:26):
dominance to strip another of autonomy and agency. Despite the
absence of coorse of control laws in most states in
the US, Ranieri was convicted in twenty nineteen on charges
including racketeering, sex trafficking, forced labor, conspiracy, and possession in
child pornography. These are often referred to as rico laws,
(15:49):
so he was sentenced in twenty twenty two one hundred
and twenty years in prison. The case demonstrates how existing
laws can address parts of coercid behavior only when it
escalates to more tangible crimes like human trafficking. Had coercive
control been recognized as the standalone of criminal offense, it
might have allowed for earlier intervention, similar prosecution, and a
(16:13):
more direct acknowledgment of the psychological abuse that his victims endured.
The second case study that I've picked is a more
local one that some of you from the UK may
have heard about from the BBC documentary A Very British Cult.
The Lighthouse International Group, founded by Paul Waugh, initially marketed
(16:34):
itself as a life coaching and mentoring organization that has
since been exposed as a coercive and manipulative group following
investigations by the Insolvency Service in the UK High Court.
The UK High Court shut down the business in March
twenty twenty three in the public interest, citing this leading
financial accounts and a lack of cooperation. Between twenty fourteen
(16:59):
and twenty two, Lighthouse reportedly received over two point four
million pounds without declaring assets or income. It was later
found that most of this money was funneled into a
bank account that belonged to Poor War. Despite the dissolution
of the company, members rebranded under Lighthouse Global Media, with
(17:19):
War and other key figures fleeing the country and relocating
abroad and resisting court orders to hand over financial records.
In March twenty twenty five and arrest warrant was issued
for Sean Cooper, one of Lighthouse's directors, for failing to
attend court hearings or cooperate with ongoing investigations. This marks
the first direct legal action against an individual leader of
(17:41):
the group. The exposure brought by the BBC documentary of
Very British Cult was pivotal in the group's public downfall.
Rather than any criminal prosecution under coercive control laws in
the UK, current legislation only criminalizes coercive control in intimate
or familial contexts, leaving a significant legal gap whence such
psychological abuse.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Occurs within groups or organizations.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
The Lighthouse case highlights the urgent need to expand coorse
of control laws to recognize and criminalize abuse in collective
or institutional settings. So I will be doing my panel
and bringing these two case studies forward, and I'm really
looking forward to seeing the case studies that both Maya
and Laura will choose to discuss in their segments of
(18:24):
the panel. So this is a bit of a mishmash episode,
and although it's not a typical episode or a traditional
cult ful episode, I do hope you will find it
interesting to hear about the types of things that we
get up to here over the weekend. I will be
back as normal next week and I'm really looking forward
(18:44):
to Crime Con in September on the twenty seventh in Manchester.
I hope some of you will be able to make it,
and do let me know if there was a content
creator that appeared at crime Con this year whose content
you are interested in, because I've managed to pick up
some good ease along the way and I'd be happy
to share some of that with you. Badges and bookmarks
(19:05):
and stickers and pens, and a lot of people this
year have even brought homemade baked.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Goodies to leave on their tables.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
The atmosphere is bustling, and we have another fun filled,
packed day ahead of us before I head home and
the weekend is over just like that. I'm Casey, host
of the Cold Vault podcast.
Hello everybody, and welcome back to another episode of the
Colt Fault podcast. I'm at crime Con this week, so
I've decided to throw an episode together give you an
idea of what you might experience if you attend crime Con,
or what you might have seen if you were here
this weekend. If you weren't able to make crime Con,
then on the twenty seventh of September, we will be
(00:22):
in Manchester and Manchester is promising to be another incredible event.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You can visit Crimecon.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Dot co dot uk and use the code cult cult
to get ten percent off your tickets and visit the
UK's biggest true crime event. I created a little game
for people to play, and while anyone who came to
the table had to go, I also asked a few
of the content creators to give it a try and
this is how it went down.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
We are going to I don't have an episode to
release the tomorrow, so this is me make them one right. Hello,
Sarah Faris from Climbercon and stop the killing and plugless and.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Producer watching stell done. So you are the pod queen.
I'll take that and I'm gonna ask you to join
me in a game of red.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Flag grabbuts oh my gosh, I'm well one loving the
I'm like, you know, like the extended four as we would.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Call at school.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, red flaggy right, yes you can't.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
They can't see what I'm talking about. No, I'll put
a picture one for media.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
So in this bag there are lots of different statements,
and you need to give each statement a.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Danger rating from one to ten.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
One is low and ten is high. There's no vital
wrong answers, whatever you think.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Okay, here we go. Number nine. If you leave everything
we taught you.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Will fall apart.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
That's a hi high rating for me. Yeah, so ten
being high, one is low, turn is high. Yeah, you
know if you ask, say, for me, it's a ten
because I don't really think there's anything in between.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
For me, if I see like a red flagging statement,
it's immediately a ten, so I can't like gradiate it.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And that's perfect. Yeah, and I think I explanation. I'm
very black and white like that. Well, thank you very much,
and I like that. I mean, it's not fun, but
it is, thank you. Oh okay, this looks interesting. We
are at the Soul table at Prome one. UK. We
(02:37):
hand this over and hello, would you like to introduce yourself?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Of course, some ship and this is Adam Face.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
And Adam Adams in the middle of eating something.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
So we're the co founders of a comedy called Bonus
Round and we make crime gigs. So this is a
new game called Solt literally launched today, thank you. And
in this me play detective. So there's one hundreds of
cases and what you do is to an interactive experience,
interrogate suspects, so you can literally ask them any question
(03:09):
that you like. And then after you've interelling it all
for suspects, you choose who you think did it and
that's the game.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Oh that's a lot of pressure because if you get
it wrong, do you get to go back on you? Okay, okay,
you do get the whole picture, even if it gets
the answer.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, obviously they can't see him. I'll show you. So
here you go. Here's the case. Is the case, some evidence,
and there's suspects. So let's let's choose this chat. There's Devin.
You can ask anything, so let's say what did you
have for breakfast? Okay, nothing to do with the crime.
(03:48):
But he'll then say if I didn't really breakfast, and
each character has our own personality.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And is cool. It looks really polished as well. It
looks like the ring is satisfying. Now, yeah, thank you. Well,
I'm here playing a game of red flag rad Bag. Okay,
so what we do with red flag rad bag.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
We are going to fish out a statement from this bag,
and on this statement it will it will be a
red flag statement that you have to determine the danger
level of that statement.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So one is low, ten is high.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
You can give that statement a number, but there's no
right or wrong answer.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's whatever you think.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Let's do it. Okay, says you should be grateful we're
even letting you be here. I'm going to give that
a fool feels a bit, feels a bit aggressive, but
context dependent, right.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Right, That's what a lot of people have said. I
think that's important.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, because you could just be I don't know, you
could be at an event that you were invited to
let you sneak in and they said you're looky, you're here, yeah,
or you could have murdered someone though, and they're like,
you're looky, your involderness because we're going to murder you
as well, oh.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Gosh, okay, so you really have gone one to ten.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Well I'm gonna stick.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I'm okay. Well, thank you very much, Adam. Would you
like a turn?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Everyone outside this.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Group is toxic. I don't know. I feel that is
prey toxic itself.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I'd maybe say, like a six.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Okay, a big context dependent again, isn't it definitely?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
But I feel that I don't know, those kind of
statements normally come from some kind of yeah, childhood trauma,
it goes.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I like just watching everybody's thoughts around as they try
and think of a number.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Brilliant. Thank you, Thanks so much. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So I'm here at my table and I'm sitting next
to Aaron from Generation Why, one of the oldest true
crime podcasts, And I'm also sitting next to.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
The host of Dig Up Your Mom. It's an incredible podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
If you haven't had listened, I highly recommend it. It's
the story of Northumbria's longest missing person case. On the Saturday,
I spent the day networking, chatting with guests and learning
so much about the true crime world and people working on.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
The front lines and at the forefront of some.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Of Britain's most notorious cold cases and those who are
pushing to change legislation to create a safer country. On
the Sunday, I was then lucky to introduce a session.
It was called it All Started at Pinkerton's and.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
My name is Casey.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Podcast, which is us Welcome today to discussions, dives and
discoveries into the world of true line.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
We're starting as we meet holiday conversations session.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Investigator and she coverses a market at the first this
second flasing career that helped reregation as women like boy
(07:21):
all started from.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Ali was incredible.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
She was so funny and she has had an incredible
career as a private investigator.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
She has a book.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Coming out soon, so if you'd be interested in learning
more about being a female private investigator in England then
you can pick up her book in August. And that
is Allie Marsh. She was so witty and so funny.
She had the crowd roar wrong with laughter.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
It was wonderful.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Later on today I will be presenting a panel on
the psychology of co Worse of Control with may of Adam,
who has been on the podcast before, talking about safeguarding
animals against abuse.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And the legendary Laura Richards from the Quiet Manal Lost podcast.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Laura Richards was instrumental in getting coercive control criminalized in
the UK. And I'm so excited to introduce and take
part in that pane of.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Hello microphone. We're playing a game of red.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Flag Rabbi and who am I playing with today?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Emma, Emma, I Emma.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
In this bag, there are lots of different red flag statements, okay,
and I'm asking everybody to fish a statement out, give
it a read, and then give it a danger rating.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
One is low, ten is high. But there's no right
or wrong answer. Okay, we'll help you grow, but.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
First you need to trust us.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Sling. Okay, will help you grow. First, you need to
trust us.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Crime.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
What do you think I'm I say it's very low
before Yeah, yeah, I think it depends who's saying it.
Who's saying it and where they're saying it.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Doesn't it's true, but actually just reading at the moment,
it sort of does depend on your perspective as.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
A parent of someone of the child has been murdered.
To have that, then I forgive this.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
But if it's coming from the other side and we
didn't do it, you need to trust us.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, that's a different people, is it is? But if
that was the context, would you give it a ten?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, without without thinking? Yeah, okay, brilliant, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Hi. I'm standing with murder Mike and I'm gonna ask
him to play Red Flag grab bag with me, where
you fish out a statement from the bag and then
you give the statement a danger rating from one to ten.
One is lower, ten is high, but there's no right
or wrong answer, so it's whatever you think it should
be rated up.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Okay, I'm going into the bag. I'm having a little
funnel in the bag I have. As I said at
the awards the other night, do not give a dyslexic.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Something to read out.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
So, uh, you're imagining.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Things that didn't happen. Okay, one to ten once, one
is low, ten is high. I wish watching the things
that did you happen. It's dangerous, isn't it? Because a
sense of reality is kind of key to everything we do.
So I would put it quite high.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Like an eight easily, because he can't trust his senses,
what can he trust?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Well? People that just want you to follow them without questions.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, someone eight? Thank you very much, Likay, thank you
very much.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I enjoyed playing Do you want to know anything about
canail boots?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You can have high and started with to do from
British Murders and we're going to play Red Flag brad
Bay where you fish out a statement.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
From the bag and you give it a danger rating.
What is low, tens hard?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
But there's no vital long answer, So that's whatever you
think statement should be.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Dennis, my just turns the highest. Yeah, and this game friends, hopefully.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Sure it says don't tell others what we discuss in
private sessions.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
So I wish don't tell us. That's a red flag
if someone said that to me. Don't tell others what
we discussed from a spouse or what up to you?
I mean, there's no context associated. But so it's whatever
you think you would rate it up. I mean if
I told that to my doctor, yeah, that'd be fine.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Don't tell others what we discussed in private sessions. That
that implies that I've told someone something from a private session.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I need context.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Fun.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Okay, what about it I said to you that you're
hearing it in the workplace in the work.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, that was probably about the six or seven.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
What if your partner sent to one to what if
you heard it down at the.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Pubs context depending, that's low again three ft. It's just
interesting to hear what people say. I mean, if it's
your spouse though you keep you're on private, don't. If
it's someone down the pub, it's probably a lot of ballots.
And if it's someone at work, then yeah, that's that
could be a little bit naught.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Thank you very much to put that back in Put
that back in there, and then I'm going to pass
the microphone over to Adam.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I Adam.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
So now I'm with Adam from UK True Crime and
we're going to play red brab red bagrap bag. So
I'm sure you know the rules at this point.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
If you quit, you're ruin your future. Seven any reasons why?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
I suppose it's just a word quit. I suppose I
said if you leave me, I'd give it a ten.
The word quit is quite ubicitus. What are you quitting
at the same reason why? But anyone that says you're
in your future makes those judgments to leg forget about you.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That's never a good thing. No, I agree, seven is
a solid number, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
So this is the true prim enthusiast, and we're going
to play red flag crap bag. Inside this bag there
are loads of different red flag statements. And if you
fish one out and give it a read and then
a rating from one to ten, the danger rating is
one thing low, ten being high.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
So how would you rate that if you heard that?
Speaker 4 (13:56):
You know, if you ask Bryan means you're still with
assist in the truth, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Four or five?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I would say, yeah or five?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I think some people have said it depends where you
hear it us. Yeah, of course if you heard that,
if you had overheard a couple having an argument and
somebody said that to the other one, I think they
are I think you would yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Would
you give it a different number if you heard it
in that context?
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Yeah, probably all that set I'd probably go about Samuel
right though, brilliant.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Thank you very much, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
We were asked to prepare two case studies to look
at in our specialist fields around for work of control.
First of all, I chose Nexium. Nexium, founded by Keith Rinieri,
was marketed as a self help and professional development organization,
but functioned as a highly manipulative cult under the surface,
(14:53):
it operated through coercive tactics such as financial and emotional abuse,
psychological manipulation, isolation in control within a secretive subgroup called doss.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Women were recruited into hierarchic.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Master slave into a hierarchical master slave system branded with
Ranieri's initials, and coerced into sexual acts under threat of blackmail,
using collateral like nude photos or damaging secrets to control
these women further, These behaviors reflect a clear pattern of
work of control, where a person uses fear, humiliation, and
(15:26):
dominance to strip another of autonomy and agency. Despite the
absence of coorse of control laws in most states in
the US, Ranieri was convicted in twenty nineteen on charges
including racketeering, sex trafficking, forced labor, conspiracy, and possession in
child pornography. These are often referred to as rico laws,
(15:49):
so he was sentenced in twenty twenty two one hundred
and twenty years in prison. The case demonstrates how existing
laws can address parts of coercid behavior only when it
escalates to more tangible crimes like human trafficking. Had coercive
control been recognized as the standalone of criminal offense, it
might have allowed for earlier intervention, similar prosecution, and a
(16:13):
more direct acknowledgment of the psychological abuse that his victims endured.
The second case study that I've picked is a more
local one that some of you from the UK may
have heard about from the BBC documentary A Very British Cult.
The Lighthouse International Group, founded by Paul Waugh, initially marketed
(16:34):
itself as a life coaching and mentoring organization that has
since been exposed as a coercive and manipulative group following
investigations by the Insolvency Service in the UK High Court.
The UK High Court shut down the business in March
twenty twenty three in the public interest, citing this leading
financial accounts and a lack of cooperation. Between twenty fourteen
(16:59):
and twenty two, Lighthouse reportedly received over two point four
million pounds without declaring assets or income. It was later
found that most of this money was funneled into a
bank account that belonged to Poor War. Despite the dissolution
of the company, members rebranded under Lighthouse Global Media, with
(17:19):
War and other key figures fleeing the country and relocating
abroad and resisting court orders to hand over financial records.
In March twenty twenty five and arrest warrant was issued
for Sean Cooper, one of Lighthouse's directors, for failing to
attend court hearings or cooperate with ongoing investigations. This marks
the first direct legal action against an individual leader of
(17:41):
the group. The exposure brought by the BBC documentary of
Very British Cult was pivotal in the group's public downfall.
Rather than any criminal prosecution under coercive control laws in
the UK, current legislation only criminalizes coercive control in intimate
or familial contexts, leaving a significant legal gap whence such
psychological abuse.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Occurs within groups or organizations.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
The Lighthouse case highlights the urgent need to expand coorse
of control laws to recognize and criminalize abuse in collective
or institutional settings. So I will be doing my panel
and bringing these two case studies forward, and I'm really
looking forward to seeing the case studies that both Maya
and Laura will choose to discuss in their segments of
(18:24):
the panel. So this is a bit of a mishmash episode,
and although it's not a typical episode or a traditional
cult ful episode, I do hope you will find it
interesting to hear about the types of things that we
get up to here over the weekend. I will be
back as normal next week and I'm really looking forward
(18:44):
to Crime Con in September on the twenty seventh in Manchester.
I hope some of you will be able to make it,
and do let me know if there was a content
creator that appeared at crime Con this year whose content
you are interested in, because I've managed to pick up
some good ease along the way and I'd be happy
to share some of that with you. Badges and bookmarks
(19:05):
and stickers and pens, and a lot of people this
year have even brought homemade baked.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Goodies to leave on their tables.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
The atmosphere is bustling, and we have another fun filled,
packed day ahead of us before I head home and
the weekend is over just like that. I'm Casey, host
of the Cold Vault podcast.
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