Eve Harlow & Elias Toufexis | Ep. 30

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Count.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, Trekky's and trekkers, Welcome
back to another episode of the Decon Chamber. I am
your co host, Dominic Keating, joined as always by my
fellow co host, my best mate, my old castmate mister
Connis is in the house. This week, we are joined
by two incredible guests whose work has left the lasting

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impact on television, film, and especially gaming. First up, we
have Miss Eve Harlowe, an actress known for her compelling
performances across a range of genres. Sci Fi fans will
recognize her from The one Hundred, portraying Maya v whose
emotional art left the deep impact on the show's narrative

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and scared her off social media for good. She also
appeared in Agents of Shield and most recently starred in
Netflix's Night Agent, bringing life to the cunning and unpredictable Max.
No matter the role, be it rebel strategists or someone
struggling to survive against the impossible odds, Eve brings the
depth to every performance she gives. We're also honored to

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have on the chair Elive's to Fexis. He's an actor
whose voice performance talent spans across multiple mediums. Gamers know
him as the voice of Adam Jensen from the dos
X series, which cemented him as one of the most
recognizable voices in the gaming world. His work on television

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has seen him take on complex and enigmatic characters, including
the expanse As, Kenzo Gabriel and morally ambiguous spy caught
in the middle of interstellar politics. His credits stretch across
major franchises like The Walking Dead, Gotham Alphas, and The
Callisto Protocol, each time bringing a distinct g avatas and

(03:00):
depth to his performances. Today, we will be diving into
their careers and of course their time on Star Trek
Discovery and what it was like bringing Star Cross duo,
Mole and Lap to life.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I thought, damn you were going to do like a
various like minimal.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
I'm nearly done behind the scenes stories of their thoughts
on sci fi storytelling. We've got a lot to explore,
so please, ladies and gentlemen, let's engage, all right.

Speaker 6 (03:28):
I want you just like following me around and introducing,
have ani version of you on my shoulder at all
times and be like, I'm sorry, this is he just
has to go first.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
And then and then even had I done this, it
would have been like.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
To you, I like to give a proper introduction. It's
like a bit like the Queen of England before she
passed away, she sought the whole world smell the paint,
because everywhere she went there were freshly painting. I'm that
I'm that guy for your careers. Well we're we start.
I mean, let's just I'd like to dive into moll

(04:04):
and Lack straight away because I just thought you guys
stole that show. I really do. It was the most
extraordinary Bonnie and Clyde performance and story arc, and you
blew me away. You literally I couldn't take my eyes
off you for a second time.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
I want to say one thing that, yes, Bonnie and Clyde,
but the Bonnie and Clyde relationship was a bit different.
I think of them as bad Lands.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Okay, I live that, Yeah totally. Uh. How now I know, Elias,
you'd worked on Discovery early on in season one. Yeah, yeah,
tell me about your story getting to work with them
and then and then I know you sort of said,
you know, if there's anything over else.

Speaker 7 (04:50):
Yeah, it basically was that. It's I'm a huge Star
Trek fan. I loved your show. I was always a
giant fan of Star Trek my whole life, a really
really big fan. I've got ships and technical manuals and
that kind of nerd. And I was living in Toronto
at the time, and I found out that there's going
to be a new Star Trek show, so already I'm happy.

(05:11):
Then I find out it's going to shoot in Toronto,
and now I'm ecstatic, and I beg my agent for
an audition, and at that point in my career I
had done you know, everybody, all of us are actors,
so there's a point where you go, Okay, I'm not
going to take anything less than I don't mean monetarily,
I mean it's gonna be a guest star or above
or really good supporting or something like. I'm not going

(05:32):
to take a walk on right because I'm building a
career here. So I asked for a guest star audition
on Discovery and I got one.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
It said guest star, and I auditioned, and.

Speaker 7 (05:43):
Long story short, by the time, all of everything had
come together. Because when you audition for these things, as
you know, you don't get the real sides. You get
lines from something else, so you don't really know what
you're counting of what you're doing. Yeah, and it's not
even like my thing wasn't even close to what it
ended up being in the show.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
You got lines from Dexter basically as.

Speaker 7 (06:04):
Well, Hey, I've auditioned for a game where they gave
me lines from The Godfather, like trying to see if
I can play like a like a I could see.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Doing that stuff. A bit of cotton wool in there
and you're there.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
But so I got this role and it's a guest star.
And then by the time I had been on set,
it had been cut down to about three lines or
four lines. And to me, guest star.

Speaker 7 (06:28):
Was always, you know, like I'd done small Villains, Supernatural,
and to me, a guest star was this is what
the episode's about, the guest star, or you know, the
villain and the guest star, and it was nothing like that.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
It was.

Speaker 7 (06:38):
It became, you know, a very very small role in
a fight with Snequa, who was great. Sneko was great.
I tried to dive in. Once I tried to get
out of it, I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (06:48):
Then once I got it, I tried to dive in.
And when I moved down to La I called the Castle.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Elias, get out of what the part of the part?

Speaker 7 (06:57):
Yeah, I tried to get out of it because I
didn't want to myself on the show and I knew,
you know, this show is going. It's kind of not
like like I played three different characters in Smallville. Every
three years, they'd bring me in and I'd do another
character completely different, right, But nowadays they don't do that.
And that started with kind of you know, walking dead
things like that, where it's one long story. If you're

(07:18):
on the show, that's your character on the show.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (07:21):
I knew that with Star Trek because it was I
could see that it's one long story, and I thought, well,
if I burn myself for this five line character, that's it.
I can't do the show anymore. I hadn't really considered
prosthetics and things like that, so I tried to get
out of it. And the casting Lisa Parrison up in Toronto,
whom I adore. She was the casting director in Canada,
and she said, she said, you can do it, but

(07:43):
they're not gonna be too happy with you if you
bail now, like we've already kind of you know, we've already.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Scheduled you when you got your wardrobe fitting tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (07:52):
Basically, I acquiesced and I said, fine, I'll do it,
and I was I was pissed off, and I didn't
even watch the show the first season because Mike, I
don't want to see all these other characters I could
have played.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
And uh.

Speaker 7 (08:01):
But when I moved down to LA the next year,
I called Lisa and I called Orley, who's the casting
director in La. Here in LA, and I was just like, hey, listen,
if there's ever anything on any of these because now
the cards starting and I heard Stranger World is going
to get a spin out, there's any of these things,
please let me know and just give me something. I'll
where I'm going makeup or They said, yeah, yeah, yeah,
And as you guys.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Know, way they make up little did you know, Yeah, the.

Speaker 7 (08:26):
Casting directors say that to you, to me, to every
actor all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, we'll
think of you. And you know, to their credit, I
was sitting in the middle of COVID. I was sitting
in my living room and Woodland Hills here in LA,
and I get.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
A whiskey eleven in the morning.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
We were doing during COVID.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Clean once I cleaned the windows and done the garden.
It really was in the coffee by eleven.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Just whiskey and waiting.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
Yeah, And I got a call from them and they
didn't even ask me to audition.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
They just.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
They did.

Speaker 7 (09:02):
They said, Lisa and Orley said, we want you for
this role. We think you're good for this role. We
have to convince one of the producers. So can you
read this? And again, it wasn't anything like like what
the character was like, because like, yeah, sure, and I
popped it off the tape and then the next day
and I thought it was gonna be one episode, maybe two,
and it turned out to be this whole giant things.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Right.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Did you know it's gonna be heavy? Henry Prospect?

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Did you know each other?

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Even I?

Speaker 7 (09:29):
I we always debate this, ay, Eve, because I knew
of you because Vancouver. We both lived in Vancouver at
the same time, and Vancouver actors kind of like we
all know.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
I will say, Okay, I feel like Vancouver actors and
Canadian actors in general know of each other. I actually
just recently had this experience. I was on this show
Watson that I'm on right now. There's an actor name's
Casey Role and I know Casey and I just like
really like who work and all this stuff, and so
but we had a dinner and I was like, hey,

(10:01):
nice to see you again, and she like went with it.
But I was like, later, I was like, we've never
actually met, but I like, but I knew of her.
And the next time I was like, Casey, I don't
think we never actually met, but I was all like, hey,
what's up? Grow up?

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Later on after we had talked, and I'm like, we
never met. And then I went back in both of
our im.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
Dbs and we're in like two or three of the
same shows, same episodes, but we never crossed paths.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah about you both from in Canada.

Speaker 6 (10:31):
So I spent most of my life in Vancouver, but
like my family immigrated there when I was seven. Yeah,
and I spent like four and a half years in Toronto.
And then I like, yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
So Russia and aren't you you were born in Moscow? Yeah?
And then so like Moss family went to Israel, right, Yeah?
Was that? Was that a definite sort of plan to
get out of Russia use Israel as the sort of
gateway to then get somewhere else.

Speaker 6 (10:58):
No, I mean, I oh man, cultural baggage, baby long stories.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I am ice Just so you know, I worked for
Elon and.

Speaker 6 (11:11):
You know, it's like eighty nine, like the year that
I was born. It's that the Iron curtain came down
in Russia and so like people could get out of
the country for the first time. My family was Jewish.
There's always a little bit of a like pushback when
you do have like a lot of a certain kind
of population moving into another country, right, it just happens. Also,
the nineties were really bad for like terrorism in Israel,

(11:35):
and so my parents were just very scared all the
time for our lives, and so they just they wanted
to go to a safer place. I mean, that's I
think that's every immigration. That's what it's about. It's about
wanting the best for your kids. And the next thing,
so what did mom and dad do?

Speaker 1 (11:51):
What did dad do in Moscow? What did mom do?
What did you what? What was the what took you
to Israel? What sort of trade did you? Could you
set you know, reinvent in Israel?

Speaker 6 (12:01):
Oh there was no trade. Like my parents are like
like hardcore immigrants, Like my mom cleaned houses like it was. Yeah,
like it was. It's that story of we want the
best for our children, and it's.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
A lovely lady. I met this it's a year ago
when we.

Speaker 6 (12:15):
Were on Yes, Yeah, I mean, honestly, that was the
best part of the cruise was having my mom with
me because she sacrificed so much. Like my mom was
in the like Moscow theater when she lived in Russia.
She wanted to yeah, and in it. But she's still
some point she's just like, I really want you to
go back to Moscow to study. I'm like, Mom, I'm
working right now, not.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
A proper actress until you go to the really.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
No for real. And and so it's like bringing her
to things has always been my favorite because it's like
I want to be like mom, like all those things
that you sacrifice and all those hardships you went through,
like it's so that I could have this, and and
it's like that was the best at the crews and
she's just every single time she's like, they know who
you are, Like this.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Is crazy, and you were scared to death that they
didn't know. We weren't going to know who you are. Discovery
hadn't come out just yet.

Speaker 6 (13:12):
I think it was because a lot of people be
like Night Agent and like Agents of Shield. It's just
like it's it's the sci fi world and the hundred
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
I think there's I wonder about this about like you know,
immigrants in general. I mean a feeling that you have,
like you know, I want to do I want to
do better for my parents. I want to do work more.
I want to do something that the sacrifice they've made
for me. I want to build on. Yes, that you've
you've you've felt.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
I mean I also, I was very lucky that my
mom put zero pressure on me. She was always like,
I just want you to be happy. Whatever you do.
You could be a janitor or a scientist, I don't care.
I just want you to be happy. And I think
because there was there was a lot of like fear
and restriction and other country that she had been in before,

(14:03):
you know, and so that now we were in this
like a really safe place Canada where you can pursue
what you want.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
You know. And where did you live in Israel? Televiv,
l No, Jerusalem, Jerusalem. Wow, we'll right right in the epicenter. Yeah, wow, Eli.
I want to congratulate you. I read you've just become
a naturalized citizen as of the twenty seventh of the
January this year.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, I went to that leads Welcome to America, Welcome
to America, one.

Speaker 7 (14:35):
Time, Good times, coming baby It's funny.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
I did it because I was always going to end
up doing it.

Speaker 7 (14:44):
Maybe, But I had my green card to me a
long time to get my green card, and there was
a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Really it is, isn't it. Yeah, it's not cheap.

Speaker 7 (14:51):
Man, And I got it, and I was always you
know who. Oddly enough I talked to this. I talked
to about this was William Shatner. Oh yeah, an idiot
that he never He just keeps renewing his green card.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
I just read my green card, and you're not what
you should get one soon enough?

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Love?

Speaker 6 (15:10):
Well, No, I like, I have my green card after
five years. You can apply, honestly. I just like there's
a test. I can't name fifty states. You guys like
that memorized.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
You have no idea how easy the test is?

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Your vote. I remember when I went to my inauguration
and it was a long process, and god knows, I
was dying for a p after and I went to
the men's and I was standing next to a lovely
Mexican gentleman, and we were standing at the urinals and
I kind of nudged him and he looked over at
me suspiciously, and I went we'll never forget our first

(15:48):
pisses Americans. Well, you've done it, you should do it.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
And but I was I went to Poland.

Speaker 7 (16:02):
I went to Serbia this last summer to work on
a on a game, and when I was coming back,
I lost.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
My green card because they were rushing me through Poland.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
That's a big deal. That's a big deal.

Speaker 7 (16:15):
So even when I couldn't find it, I didn't have
time to go run around the pole at the airport
in Poland. So I got on the plane I landed,
I'm like, sorry, guys, I don't have my green card.
And then they put me in this room and they
checked and then let me go. But it was cheaper
to naturalize than to be than to replace my green things.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
They replaced the green.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
They're also so meant to you. But it I remember
one time, I just like, I don't, I don't know.
I just didn't. I traveled without it because I was like,
I got my Canadian passport, it's cool, and they like
they kept me in the waiting room for like an
hour and then they yelled at me for an hour,
at the end of which they were like, next time
you do this, you get a fun I'm like, guys,
can you just told me this at the beginning?

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yes, listen, I have traveled the world.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
The hardest place to get into its.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Canada, second only to Australia. I have had, I have
had both of which we owned.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Experiences getting into Canada. I don't know why, but bless
them all.

Speaker 6 (17:17):
And it's not Canada's that you're sketchy, is okay?

Speaker 1 (17:24):
She was looking at you, not me.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Anyway. It's like, you know, I wonder, I wonder everything
you everything.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
You own stinks of marijuana.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
I wanted to ask you know. So it seems as though,
and I wonder how you both feel about this, that
the notion of Hollywood and films and TV being made
here has it's gone. It's actually gone to Canada, moved

(17:56):
to Africa, anyway, anywhere, but La.

Speaker 7 (17:59):
Really, the thing about being a Canadian actor is nine
times out of ten, the stuff that comes in to
shoot there, and there's a lot of stuff that comes
in to shoot, but a good portion of it comes
in pre cast.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
With American I agree with the American stars as it were. Names. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (18:16):
From La, I I move down to LA and I
get more opportunity to work on things that shoot back
in Canada.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Right, it's just looking for the local hire for the
you know exactly, you know, the guest stars or the
recurring roles. Even they will get cast locally.

Speaker 7 (18:31):
Yeah, and they have to pay them way, way, wayless. Yes,
it's like a sad contract because.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
There's no there's no residuals. Also in Canada there's.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
No loggles, which boggles my mind. Mind.

Speaker 7 (18:47):
They give you double. Like let's say you're making scale,
they'll give you double on the day. They'll give you
double what let's say scale is a thousand bucks for
the day.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
I don't remember.

Speaker 7 (18:55):
Then they'll give you two thousand for the day, right,
and that's it. You shoot you I sort of got.
I did a show in Canada where I was in
three episodes that we did in one day because everything
was in this one location.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
So we shot all three episodes in one day and.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
I got to one day's for one day's pay.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
I remember I was working. I was this is at
the time. I was living in Toronto and I was
working pretty like consistently, but it didn't pay my bills.
I had to I was serving at a restaurant and
this guy was like, wait, I saw you a TV
last night.

Speaker 8 (19:28):
I was like, yep, with your coffee, with your coffee
because I was just like I'm on TV.

Speaker 6 (19:36):
But like also like this is this is actually paying
my pills right now.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Not the thing.

Speaker 7 (19:40):
But I did a Canadian film. Got whatever I got
for it wasn't much. It was like eight grand that
money ran out. I had to go work at the
last year of Blockbuster and I was stacking a film
that I'm in in the Blockbuster.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
This is the worst.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
You can't love these stories.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
And he's like, aren't you that you like me dollars
for the hour?

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Do you want to corner?

Speaker 4 (20:08):
Like you know, Oh, it's so embarrassing.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
I mean, I think that that is the thing too,
Like it's it's just they even guest stars that are
in like American shows that are filmed in Canada, they
get guest stars from the States. But also there's I
feel like there's a huge initiative right now to start
filming more in l A and and and I think
that that's but I.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Think maybe you're right. I mean, I knew. I think
they've just got to release the relaxed at tax incentives.
And I think Nisoen is up for that because it's
it's a ghost town, and.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Myself wondering like, all right, so fine, who cares? You know,
if you if you want to be a state or
an environment where you've got an opportunity to shoot something,
shoot it there. It's our responsibility as Hollywood, then say

(21:05):
something like no, let's bring it all back home. The
problem is it's so expensive here.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, yeah, well and needlessly expensive. The tax of the
city taxes and the and the lack of incentive to
give tax relief is what makes it expensive. And you know,
you get your I mean, look at yes, if you're
shooting in Prague or your Budapest, you're gonna get the
crew for cheaper. Yeah that's that's a fact. But it's so.

(21:36):
But let's talk about what you guys did on Let's
talk about let's talk about some acting. Let's talk about
modern lac. You were both so brilliant and I thought
you were. You stole the show, frankly, the pair of you.
Let's talk about your prosthetic makeup to start with, because
second only to Dougie Jones, you really you went all
out there, mate. It was at a four hour process

(21:56):
and you know it was long.

Speaker 7 (21:58):
It was he was the first person I called I
know him Doug for a while because he's such a sweetheart.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
He makexed friends with everybody he meets for five seconds.
But what's that. Oh he's a big hugger. Yeah, don't
know how he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I love him.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
He's just the greatest guy.

Speaker 7 (22:13):
But I called him immediately and I asked him for tips,
and he just he emphasized patience and energy conservation serves
your energy because by the end of the day, that's why,
like by the by after lunch, you're dead.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
And he was right, did you eat through that mouth?

Speaker 7 (22:37):
Or kissing Eve? My lips would rip off every time.
So there's a lot of like refixing, refixing things. And
it's funny because.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
Everybody asks understandable because that's what I asked him.

Speaker 7 (22:51):
How long was the process? How long was and that's
my that was my question too. But then you realize
that that's not the world the hard part. I'm just
sitting there. I have to get two thirty in the morning,
for sure, but the artists are the ones that are
working on me.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
At two thirty.

Speaker 7 (23:05):
I just sit there and I literally would time times
that I could sleep, I could go back to sleep.
I knew, like, Okay, they don't think work on the
back of my head for a bit, so i'man to sleep,
and then they work on me and work on me.
It's not that it's wearing it for a further twelve
hours that starts getting like, okay, this is.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Exhausting and against custrophobic. And yeah.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
Also, one thing that I talked to talk about that
I wasn't expecting was you get kind of a.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Separation from everybody else. You don't.

Speaker 7 (23:37):
It's not you having these conversations with everybody when you're
waiting around, you know what I mean. Like I've known
I knew Ajalla, and I've known Snica for a while
and Heaves, Drayden, We're all having these talks, and I
always felt like it's not really meat. Like my favorite
thing to say is my favorite story to tell is
I worked a whole day with David Cronberg and yeah,
as he's an actor on the show, as you guys know,

(23:59):
and I'm just getting all this advice from him and
this I'm just talking to him and just seeing him work.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
It's fascinating. And then I realized at the end of
the day he would have no idea who I was
if he had no idea.

Speaker 6 (24:12):
The next he gave me my most favorite compliment ever.
He said, I look like an anime character and I
was like, that's it. Life goal reached right.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
You literally popped off the screen, And if you really did?

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Did you two have any idea? When I wonder, like,
how much information were you given about what you were
going to do and what you wound up doing, because
you know, I've thought about this this morning, it was like,
you know, it's Bonnie and Clyde, sure, but in the

(24:50):
Star Trek world, there is no Bonnie and Clyde. There
is no sort of because everything seems to be in
a relationship that's emotional. It's all sent toward the episode
for the ship. But you guys had this extraordinary opportunity
to be inclusive in terms of what you wanted. That

(25:12):
makes any sense.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
I think I know what you mean. I mean, just
speaking for me. One of my favorite things about it.
I didn't know that much. I don't know how much
Eve knew.

Speaker 7 (25:20):
I knew that at first I thought it was one
episode and then they said no, no, no, you're kind of
like the bad guys of the season. I was great, fantastic,
I didn't know what that entailed, and I had heard
after we were doing the first episode that there's going
to be an episode that delves into why we're doing
what we're doing and literally filming it, because as you

(25:40):
guys know, I play a lot of bad guys on TV,
and every time it's either a little monologue I have
about how my dad was abusive, or somebody else is
talking about this is why this guy's evil brother, Yeah,
something like that. But you always it's always like one
scene or somebody else going, well, this poor guy, how
this happened to him, and that's why I have to

(26:01):
play off of. But with this guy, I'm like, oh,
I get a whole episode where we delve into why
they're doing what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Yeah, we get to shoot it. And that that for
me was when I heard that.

Speaker 7 (26:12):
I was like, okay, I'm all not that I wasn't
only before, but I was really really really excited about.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Backstories, very exciting. I mean the fact that you are,
you know, Royal Breen as it were, that's.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Going like, oh, it's a Breen and I'm the first time.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
So not only am I the first, like, not only
am I get to play this amazing character, but I'm
making Star Trek history to a degree, the person of
all this.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Stuff, the time the brain have ever been seen in
the natural state. I'm not correct, I think so.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
But also there's something about you know the fact that
you know, the decisions you make together are not about
your goals so much about you being in love with Yeah.
That that is.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
To me.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Having seen many, many, many Star Trek relationships in the
relate you know, in the in the in the in
the work that we do on this show, and even
my character on Enterprise, you know, it was always to
serve the show, it seemed to me, in watching what
you guys were doing, it wasn't serving the show. It
was was serving the fact that you guys loved each

(27:17):
other and you will buy for that reason.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeahs, you could.

Speaker 7 (27:22):
That was always the through line for me for sure.
It was just what am I doing to protect Mal?

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, and Mal's love for Lack was you know, palpable.
I mean it was truly she would kill for him,
and I really not really struck. Yeah, no kidding.

Speaker 7 (27:40):
This is what it's like working with a good actor though,
because like even I if we didn't really talk before
we talked. We had one conversation and then we pretty
much just like dove in right, like we didn't have
any rehearsal.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
Really really did characters, because like, you know, I guarantee
you you know, you know Elias you're you're in makeup
for four or five hours and you know Eve you're not.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
That was actually our first conversation. He's like, how long
are yours? How longer is your makeup going to be?
I'm like, oh, I don't haven't anything. And he's like,
I'm like, oh I don't. I'm human. He's like, are
you sure. It's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
I look up like this. You love being on this set,
didn't you? Eve? I saw an interview with you and
you just said it was the funnest set you'd ever
walked on to so far. Y did that remains still
the benchmark or have you done other jobs since that
might take precedent? Or its still Discovery your top top job.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
The answer is no.

Speaker 6 (28:48):
It's okay.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
I can't answer that. Someone else is say in my.

Speaker 6 (28:55):
Check no, I will say like it's I want. I
think I was very lucky to go from like Star
Trek to another show that I really really love a
lot like Watson. Like it's the show that I guess
I'm is airing right now. I don't know, Yeah, it's
airing right now. I loved it. I love the cast,

(29:17):
the crew, descripts all of it, you know. But it's
also like it's very different because what I like. One
of the things I was so amazing about Star Trek
is like the set design, right, and like walking into
a world that is so so different and that is
just like I feel like that's unparalleled, you know, like
I like that experience. No, I haven't had that, and

(29:37):
I don't think that I will, just because it's it's
so incredible what they do on that set.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, extraordinary. I mean they go all out and stay
the same as Strange New worlds. It's it's a different Yeah,
it's a different world production wise, it really is. And
your show, Watson, I mean, I have to say it
looks amazing.

Speaker 6 (29:55):
No, it's I mean, I just yeah, I mean, Watson
is awesome. I get to like be a doctor, you know,
I have this badge that says doctor. And I was like,
I was like, she's a scientist, but she knows she
got her masters, but she didn't go to her PhD,
and so she came to visit me on site. She's like, well,
at least one of us gets called doctor.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
What's her name is doctor Ingrid Darien, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (30:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (30:18):
I just I you guys, six months of it. I couldn't.
Every single time I saw the badge, I was like,
we look at this.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
I swear to God, when we were shooting our show,
I'd look over Scott back and we'd be in the
EV soon and I started off, just give me a
nice legal show. Just put me in a nice ARMANI suit.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I wonder how much opportunity did you guys have as
co stars and in you know, a theatrical relationship to
determine question? Wonder about where your roles were going together.
Did you ever have those conversations.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
With me like where we're just literally what what we
were gonna end up doing?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Yeah, yeah, I had it.

Speaker 7 (31:03):
I didn't think that. I don't think they would have
listened to me if I had any ideas. That's what
I felt. I felt like they had their not not
not in in a bad way. I just I felt
like they had their story and they were for their story,
and I wasn't gonna step in. I think I might
have changed a line here or there if it flowed better,
but I think more or less what you saw was

(31:24):
what they wanted.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah, it was pretty much set.

Speaker 7 (31:28):
I didn't at least I don't know if you if
you did, but I didn't suggest any change.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
I mean, look, I was like, hey, don't kill me.
That was my big That was about as far as
I was able to do it.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
A great death, by the way, it was very Let
me talk about your voice career, So did you Was
Adam Jensen your first big breakthrough voicing stuff?

Speaker 7 (31:54):
Adam Jennsen was the first one that was that became
kind of this like pop culture in the video game world.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
I've done.

Speaker 7 (32:02):
I had done already three or four games before that,
and they were pretty pretty popular.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
I just fell into it matter.

Speaker 7 (32:07):
It's not something that I actively pursued, because you know,
as an actor, you just go, oh, audition for whatever
you got is gonna pay me? And and I happened
to book that Adam Jensen won, and that led to
it led to a lot, to a degree like it
led to a lot because I I pushed it a lot,
Like I would call comic cons and I'd be like,

(32:28):
look at that. I would get my own kind of
kind of like momentum. I go on Twitter and I
try to get my own my own momentum going because
I knew this character was something I could I could
use for that.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Who was the production company behind it? Is it a
big one or is.

Speaker 7 (32:41):
It who Square Enix that did that one, which is
a huge massive game company, And then we did a
sequel and that one was really good and since then,
you know, you just that ends up getting getting the
agents and getting the other other auditions, and then a
lot of games that I get are just offers from
people that I've worked with before, and that ends up

(33:03):
happening a lot, which is fantastic.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I noted that you're not scared to do sort of
you know, various voices as it were on other shows.
Does there not come a time where you go, yeah,
and I don't do that anymore? Or are you quite
happy to show up and do you know three you
know oikles.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Oh no, that's that's part of the voice actor thing.

Speaker 7 (33:20):
The voice actor thing is like you'll show up for
a role and they'll be like, can you also play
this role in this role?

Speaker 4 (33:26):
In this role?

Speaker 7 (33:28):
Yeah, because they don't want to pay people three times, right, Well,
you have you here, And I think sag rules is
three voices for animated yea. And I think it's also
three for video games, so they can ask you to
do three different voices and then if you get four,
you can actually ask for more money. But yeah, no,
any animated series I've done, even the ones like I'm

(33:48):
on a show called.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Blood of Zeus on Netflix, all right, was a great show.

Speaker 7 (33:53):
And even that, you know, I play like a villager here,
a guy over here, a voice yelling in the background.
It's just always going to happen. That's that's voiceover. And
I don't get paid extra for that kind of stuff,
of course not. But thank God for for voiceover for
me because this booth I had to buy during COVID,

(34:14):
right because everything shut down and all my friends.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Fully productional booth there is it?

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Then a second and second?

Speaker 1 (34:23):
All right, they're not cheap, are they? Those booths?

Speaker 6 (34:25):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (34:26):
It wasn't to the thousands, you.

Speaker 7 (34:29):
Know, most definitely I had to I had to take out,
like I got a credit card specifically just to get
the booth because I couldn't pay like a grand up front, right, Yeah,
But I needed it, and it's paid for itself since.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
And you're quite good at editing all your own stuff,
and uh, it's.

Speaker 7 (34:43):
Not that complicated, like don't ask me to throw filters
on it and stuff like that. But but if you
need a raw audio file, yeah, that's pretty easy.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
You've got a good voice. I mean I listened to
you extensively coming to this interview, and U I hadn't
went it because we've messed at conventions many times and
I hadn't noticed it.

Speaker 7 (35:05):
When we meet a comic con there's always noise, so
like this.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Yeah, my natural that.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Deep gravel that that just comes naturally out of you.
And then you've also got this sort of vulnerable tambra.
I noticed that you can throw into a voice. I've
seen that all the actors would catch that kind of Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Try that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Do you do any voice stuff Eve, Nope, not yet.
I haven't needed to.

Speaker 6 (35:35):
I just I think I feel like the voiceover world
is such like it's a it's a difficult thing to
break into.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Like even it's the clique, Yeah it is.

Speaker 6 (35:45):
It's the same thing with like like video games and stuff.
It's all stuff that I like, it's I wouldn't be
opposed to it, but I just think that it's like
they have the same people that they go to all
the time and like to become one of those people
as impossible. I also like, low key, don't really my voice?
Who listen to me.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Like it's clique. I mean, that's how I got my
first start. I went for a three line three three
characters for Blizzard for the World of WARFT maybe or no,
maybe it was Diablo. It was Diablo and one of
them was a sort of blacksmith or something. So I
go this, like, you know, hard northern Yorkshire voice like that,

(36:26):
and uh, it was like that. The lady, Andrea toy
has the name is you know, Andrew. She's lovely. She
stopped me and she went, Daminic, has no one ever
told you you sound just like sham Bean in Game
of Thrones? And I was like, yeah, yeah, no, no, yeah,
I get that a lot. And what you know, I

(36:50):
was leaving. She came when I came out to sign
the paperwork. She said, do you do many of these things?
I was, do you know what? I don't? And I
don't understand why I'm really good at this stuff I've got.
I've got an English actor friend of mine who does
this knowing you know, it never stops, and he's and
he's good, but he's not that good.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
She goes who is he?

Speaker 1 (37:09):
And I went, well, he's this guy and she goes, oh, yeah, yeah,
we know we've used him. And I said, well, anyway,
there's been pleasure working with you. Anyway, I was driving
away and my phone ranked was my voiceover agent at Vox.
He goes, what did you do in there? And oh no,
he goes, no, it's good, it's good. They want you back.
They've been trying to cast this lead voice and they

(37:31):
can't get it. And she wants to talk to you
on the phone tonight. You're going back in tomorrow and
what do you know? I played ended up playing the
templar for like, you know, the whole of season two
on The Diablo, and I was one of the best gigs.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Do you live in Canada?

Speaker 1 (37:53):
You live in is Watson shooting in l a Vancouver?
And it is in Vancouver? Is it? Is it in Pennsylvania?

Speaker 6 (38:06):
It's Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Oh yeah, Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
That's good for Pittsburgh.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Vancouver, for the Philippines.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
At one point, do you shoot in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 6 (38:24):
We did. We shot a week there because it was
like the creator of the show, Craig, is from Pittsburgh,
and it was very important for him to actually like
he wanted some of our show to be in Pittsburgh
and have this A great city, dude, I love so
like the way that they had. They have amazing museums
and amazing Galleryes would be like I would like shoot

(38:44):
for like half a day or whatever, and then I'd
be like, Okay, I'm out, I'm going to a gallery.
And it was like there, it's a contemporary art gallery.
Is one of the most interesting, like contemporary art galleries
I've ever been to. I was so impressed by it.
People are so nice, Like it was really like cool city.
I really liked it a lot.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
It's full of marble and uh it is. It's extraordinary
and it's got this great confluence of these rivers. And
I love Pittsburgh. I love that city.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
How do you know it, Well, when did you get
to I've.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Just been there a few times. I've never here in
your welding days right back when I was a steel worker.
It's been a lot of time in Pittsburgh. No, I
oddly I have. I've been to Pittsburgh probably five times
in my life, and every time the downtown element of
Pittsburgh with you know, you've got Carnegie, You've got Melon,

(39:36):
You've got all of these steel magnets who created this
in this city that's got this it's it's at the
confluence of the Allegheny several rivers. It's a perfect spot.
And then you've got University of Pittsburgh with this Cathedral
of Learning. You know that eve that have you ever

(39:59):
seen that there? The Cathedral of Learning? Is this at
Universe of Pittsburgh. They have this cathedral that is completely
soldid Black by the nineteenth century, you know, Cole Black,
and it's got it's got an element of every country

(40:20):
well that they would have said that time in the world.
And it's it's a little uh, it's a perfect example
of what Americans can express to you as what your
place is like. Right Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania is full of Poles, Russians, everybody.

(40:45):
It's you know, it's it's all of Eastern Europe.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Really, yeah, hardworking town, you know, manual labor and yeah, yeah,
Craig Sweeney is he a big Shelock Holmes fan, is
that the other part of that story it I.

Speaker 6 (41:01):
Guess so he did Elementary, So he's like, I think he.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Is, you do Elementary? You're right, I'd forgotten that, which
is a terrific show. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (41:08):
Every thing about Craig though, is that he is a
reviewer for a hard metal blog. Yes, yeah, yeah, like
there's it's it's called Angry Metal Guy.

Speaker 6 (41:21):
And it was just like anyating presence because he's like
six foot two, built, tattooed like bald. I was like,
this man is so scary. But then he told me that.
I was like, he's cool, and he actually he also
loves like Studio Gimbly and I'm a huge fan of
Studio Gimbly too. And then when I actually had the
audition and like the callback and stuff in the background,

(41:42):
I saw like Kiki's Delivery Service poster in the back
and I was like, excuse me, sir, I know you're
currently but is that a Kiky's Delivery Service?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Exactly right?

Speaker 1 (41:54):
So that was I was like, I like, we'll do
anything to get the job, won't we? Any the way that.

Speaker 6 (42:02):
I am like, I'm very you know, you guys have
been asking questions about like how much did you know
I actually operate on a level of like I like
to know nothing because I think when you know things,
there's a level of expectation, and when there's expectation, you're
setting yourself up for disappointment. And so for me, it's
just all like go with the flow. I mean, I
didn't know anything about Star Trek. I got this audition,

(42:24):
and that's I was like, I wore this wig. I
put on this like eyeliner because I was like, it's
the future. I can do whatever I want, you.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Know, And they went with that look, which was perfect.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
It's an interesting story because initially they didn't want they
didn't know that not that they didn't want to look,
but they didn't know that I could like pull off
the wig in a natural way. Anyway, It's a long story,
but essentially I wore a wig to the way that
they saw me first was that they wanted my my
natural hair is like black and curly. They're like, they

(42:59):
want to just like slick black hair. And then I
showed up to the cast dinner and I had worn
a wig to the cast. I like wearing wigs in
my real life. It's just easy and it's fine.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, several yeah, yeah, yes exactly.

Speaker 6 (43:16):
On the On the I was just like, this is fun.
And so to the the cast dinner, I wore this wig.
It's actually from the Night Age and it's like half black,
half pink, and there's just like a lot of hair.
And so I'm sitting across the producers and I was like, Okay,
what do you guys think of like look wise from
all and they were like, well, we wanted this like
sleek hair look, but now that we see how much

(43:37):
hair you have and I was like, oh, you guys,
this is a wig. It's a wig, Like what are
you talking about? And I start like taking it off
and they're like no, no, you don't need to do that,
Like it's fine, it's cool, just like it's a wig.
We get it. And then the next day I got
a call from the hair person Trees, and she was like, hey,
so I know we have this like hair test coming up.

(43:58):
And I just got a call from the producer and
they want something edgy. I don't know what they mean,
what do you what are you envisioning? And I was like, oh,
I got you girl. And I put together like a
Pinterest board and I was like I think this is
what they want, and I it was more of the
There was like a lot of like black and pink.
And then I was like, but I also, this is
what I auditioned with and this is what I would like.
So yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
I love the fact it's sort of it was. It
had echoes of Daryl, Hannah and Blade running for me. Yes, yeah,
both of you have.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Both of you have that sort of it's it's it's
a funny thing about rogue relationships in film and television,
and I really think that the two of you created
one of the you know, on a list of ten
that is that is amazing and fantastic.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
And awestly believable. The relationship.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
Guys, we talked about this.

Speaker 7 (44:53):
I don't know where we were, Jersey or something, but
I was talking about chemistry with actors. Now it's how
I felt like, you can always if you don't get along,
you may not have chemistry. But I feel like if
the actor is a good actor, you can have chemistry,
and a good person you can have because, like I said,
Eve and I we had one conversation, then we had
that cast dinner, and then we started shooting and right

(45:16):
away I felt I remember Eve, I said this many
times to you, But I remember seeing you come in,
seeing you've come in as Mall for the first time
on set, and seeing her and going I saw the
costume tests and stuff, but seeing her onset coming to
me when I was in full costume, and.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
I remember going, Okay, being in love with this is
not going to be difficult. It's really really easy.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
And she's a good actor, and she's got chops.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
She both got chops, and that that always, you know,
color and I bonded like that when when actors give
each other space to be the best they can both
be in the scene and there's generosity there. It's that
that's them, you know magic.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
You toss the ball and if they pick it up
and they toss it back.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (46:06):
Also like this, this is one I almost like like
shout out to like the hair people, the makeup people, wardrobe.
Like it's like I walk different in the boots that
they put me in, you know what I mean. And
you're walking onto these sets, you're literally stepping into a
completely different world. Like it didn't it didn't feel like cheap,
it didn't feel fake. It's so impressive. Everybody's work is

(46:28):
so impressive and they were all like, I know you
were just like, quit's your favorite, like set, but I
I I'm not on Star Trek anymore, but I will.
That was one. It was one of the best experiences
of my life. And that's not going to change. And
it's because everybody was just really passionate about their jobs.
They were very good at it, and that, in turn
is like you can't either because they here are two

(46:49):
hundred people who are really good at what they do.
And like the like the stunt coordinators who were like,
we're so patient with me because I'm slow as a
memorizing the worker. Sniqua came on and within like she
she got like the choreography down in like fifteen minutes,
something that had taken me like an hour and a half.
I was like, how did.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
You do that? I actually, you're dancing exactly.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
You know, I don't have to.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Snik was set a really lovely tone on the set,
didn't she And yeah, and that's.

Speaker 6 (47:25):
Always helps an angel baby. That is what snique is.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
She's she is, She is a a special human, she
really is.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
She's a gentle lady. Now I know, Elias, You've got
a couple of notes here and there, because the natural
actor for a film actor is to sort of, you know,
do less, do let's do less. And because of the
nature of the constriction of the prosthetics and you had
what do you call it? Yeah, you had to sort

(47:56):
of bring it up a bit, didn't you. Was that
difficult to uh, to sort of you know, you know,
I'm that up.

Speaker 7 (48:03):
That was the biggest challenge for me because it was
there was a point where I was like, why did
you guys cast me? Like I actually thought that because
I you asked me to be big and that's something
I don't do.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
Like everything is something you do, is it?

Speaker 6 (48:16):
Now?

Speaker 1 (48:17):
You you rely on your voice side night, I saw
a lot. I saw your tape. I saw a lot
of your action and your other shows, and you are
very contained and you Yeah, it comes from the from
the voice. A lot of it.

Speaker 7 (48:28):
In theater school, I used to get the same note
over and over, which is like, I'm.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Not gonna hear you from the back.

Speaker 7 (48:33):
I'm not gonna hear you from the back, And I
would have to fight my way to that. So I
thought of that a lot when I was on set
because that was the only note I ever got. It
was great amped up like one hundred percent, and I
remember making tune Day and uh, particularly Jen McGowan for
that she was the.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
Director of episode five.

Speaker 7 (48:53):
I remember asking them to promise me that they're not
going to let me become.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Melodramatic right a cartoon, I felt it.

Speaker 7 (49:01):
I felt there were times where I was like, you know,
pushing head movements that I that weren't coming to me
naturally because.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
It was physicality that you that to to bring it up, right.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
I mean, it wasn't it wasn't a vocal thing.

Speaker 7 (49:14):
It definitely wasn't a vocal It was most definitely the
movement and to a degree, the way I was using
my eyes.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
But normally I don't think about that stuff.

Speaker 7 (49:24):
I just I'm into the character and whatever's happening is happening.
But I had to think about it, and I remember
asking Jen, I'm like that take there where it was
something that something.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
With Mal, like an emotional moment with Mal.

Speaker 7 (49:36):
And I'm like, I just felt like I'm on a
soap opera and she trust me, it's not coming across
that way, trust me, and I trusted it, and they
were they were right.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
There's still a.

Speaker 7 (49:45):
Couple of times, especially early where I'm like, I wish
I could redo that, But every actor is every actor.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Brings me to a question that I'm always interested in
for the two of you. What got you into this?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yes, I wanted to ask that a while back. So
how did you both start?

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Even in Israel?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
You're four years old?

Speaker 2 (50:06):
What got you in Eve?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (50:09):
Okay, som I know you're like joking like you're in
ISRAELI or four years old, but okay.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
When there was a baby, didn't you.

Speaker 6 (50:17):
So the very first time I remember being like in
front of a like an audience. My mom's best friend
had like flown in from Moscow and she just she
she had this like guitar and she like sang songs
on guitar, and she's like, let's do a little like

(50:38):
performance for your family. And I was like okay. And
so there was this one song that she she knew.
It was like a really like upbeat, happy song, and
I had this like pretty My mom was like, put
me in this like pretty dress. This was the for
the event that was there was gonna be this upbeat
song and me in a pretty dress. And then the
second song was this really sad, melodramatic song about this

(51:00):
like bride who gets left at the altar, And it
was also a change of costume and I was right,
this was costumes and I was holding a candle and
it was like, okay, So in my memory of this,
I just remember that I had like a tear running
down my face as I was holding this candle. Guys,
I was five years old.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (51:16):
I don't know how true this memory, but I just
remember the ease i'ment of, like running into the back
room the green room, which was like you know, my bedroom,
changing outfits, coming out for the audience. The audience was
like my mom, dad, sister, you know, you know, like
the rounds of applause again my family. But it was
I just felt like I impacted the people sitting in

(51:39):
front of me with my emotions and it was like
the best world again. I must it must say. I
was like five or six years old, and that was.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
An impression, doesn't it when you know that you've you've
moved someone like that? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (51:53):
And then and then fast forward to like when we
moved to Canada, and like movies were really important with me,
like learning English and getting comfortable with it.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
And I because you so, I guess you learned Hebrew, right,
living in Israel.

Speaker 6 (52:07):
Language was Russian than Hebrew. And then yeah, like English,
moved to Canada.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Speak Russian, uh yeah, yeah, yeah, Hebrew is still there
too a little bit.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Then so you come to Canada at seven I think
it was, Is that right I'm saying? And then you
have to learn a whole new language and a whole
new accent. Yeah, Dawn think at seven? I mean, and
kids are quite versatile, but yeah, how long did that take?
Was it so firm?

Speaker 6 (52:36):
Again, this is my mom, But I didn't apparently, I
like didn't. I basically like didn't speak for a year.
Because yeah, the joke is now that I'm like, I'm
making up for that year because a lot, yeah, for
that year of not talking. But no, I mean, it's
far easier for children, and I feel like it's people

(52:56):
who are older that have it way harder. You know,
you're trying to adjus although you know it's so crazy.
So when we lived in Israel, there was a thing
of like you couldn't run water all the time. There
were just times when you're like not allowed to run
water because it's a desert. Water is really precious and
there this is a memory that is very like solid
in my mind of when we moved to Canada.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
But I was like, we could just.

Speaker 6 (53:16):
Run water all the time. Crazy. Well, there's still a
part of me that's just really.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Like and I ain't California. Don't get used to it.

Speaker 6 (53:28):
I know, I know, no, but it's like we should
be like, see how precious water is not it's such
a you know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Trust me. When I'm at the wy and someone takes
longer than an eight minute shat, I tell them they
should know, Okay, I tell them I have I.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Probably it was your track.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Uh So I grew up.

Speaker 7 (53:51):
I grew up in Montreal, and I can tell you
exactly when my mentality switched about acting. I just always,
you know, I always wanted to be Captain Kirk. I
always wanted to be Luke s Coywalker. But I didn't
know what that meant. It was just like I just
wanted to be in the movies. And then one day
I was about fourteen, and I was at my uncle's
house and he had on Kenneth Brana's Henry the Fifth.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Oh yeah, it's a good film, and I was.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
Enthralled. I had no idea what was going on.

Speaker 7 (54:19):
I couldn't tell what they were saying, but I was like,
what is this and he explained which Shakespeare was and
all that, and then what theater is. And that took
me into this whole other path because I was always
going to be an actor. There was never a doubt
from my height, My my what do you call elementary
school yearbook was actor at It's great.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
It was always that's what always going to be.

Speaker 7 (54:40):
But I was always going to go the film route,
you know, just like take film classes and auditions. But
when I saw that, it made me fall in love
with theater because it led me to Branna was only
like thirty five when he so, yeah, but I had
an autobiography at thirty five years old.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
But I read it and I was like, yeah, rolled
the theater.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Good biography. Connor will always quote saying, if you want
to see if a chap can that put a put
a crown on his head?

Speaker 7 (55:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it was. And then I
went to theater school because of that. When I went
to theater school and did three years there, started a
theater company, made no money.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
For years and years and years, and then you make
no money doing theater.

Speaker 7 (55:24):
In fact, I when I then I went off and
I started getting booking roles and it all led one
thing led to another. But even when I moved down here,
I was like, I want to get back into maybe
some theater. And I auditioned for a show. It was
Corey Lane's, just just like six or seven years ago,
they were doing Corey Lane's and they offered me. This
was like a big It was the will Gear Theater,

(55:47):
the the in Vega.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (55:50):
Yes, AN auditioned and like, I'm not an equity member,
but I think your SAG membership.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
Could get cheated in equity whatever.

Speaker 7 (55:57):
So I went in and auditioned and they offered me
to under study Corey Lane's and I'm like, okay, well
that obviously they appreciate that I can do it.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
And then they told me what they would pay me. Yeah,
oh well I can't do that.

Speaker 7 (56:11):
Like you're literally saying to me to tell my agents, Hey,
I just moved here. Anything that shoots I can't do
for three months, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Twenty bucks in the bottle of bea.

Speaker 7 (56:24):
I really do miss theater a lot. And Arman actually
Arman just directed twelve Night.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
See It and.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Yeah, Armon has been great.

Speaker 7 (56:36):
I met him at these cons and he has taken
Meander's wings, so to speak. To Uh, just guide me
into what theater in in la Is And it's not
a grand thing theater in la I you I disagree
with you, Oh Man, we should talk more than we should.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
I think that small theater in Los Angeles. Listen, I've
done theater everywhere. Yeah, small theater, ninety nine seat theater
in Los Angeles. If you're present to what's going on
in the community, it's the best theater I've ever been
involved with and ever seen.

Speaker 7 (57:10):
This is what I want to be where you just said,
And we'll talk more if you don't mind press in
the community. That's what I want to be in the
theater community in la and Arman is guiding me in
that way. And I would love to talk to you
more about that.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
It's not quite as thriving as it was thirty years ago,
but it's still thriving. There's a lot of really good,
talented actors that want to act that are in between
TV and film jobs. And yeah, I'm.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Always so curious about why in fact people become actors.
And I saw something on the internets which is absolutely true.
As we all know, is that there is something about
our psyche and our persona that we have not figured
out on our own that we can express to people,

(57:58):
most of them. And I totally agree with that there,
you know, Like, you know, I think of myself as
a particular thing, as a bit, and then when I
get on a stage or on a you know, a
film role or a TV role, if it's got you know,
stuff to it, I can express who I am in
that way that I can express who I am in

(58:21):
my actual life, and that has given me. I believe
this wholeheartedly. It has given me the life I want
I don't have I have. There are things about me
dom you know this that like I don't like to
talk to people. I don't really like people, and.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
He's quite introversive. Really, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 6 (58:44):
I'll end the meeting now, I'm leaving. I don't want
to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Exactly, you know. And but there are also opportunities where,
you know, I have an I have a luxury of
great writing dialogue where I can share something about me
that's for free. Yeah, it's not about me so much
as I'm not you exactly.

Speaker 7 (59:10):
Yeah, Yeah, you know what I always said, is my
least favorite part of any theater performance is.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
The curtain call?

Speaker 7 (59:17):
All right, Yeah, I always because then I'm like, well
now it's me, and I'm like it's a hey, thanks.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
But before that I could do anything, almost anything.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Got dinner after.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
But oddly enough, I'll tell you a story one of
my early theater performances that got a lot of acclaim
in Edinburgh at the Festival. And I went out there
opposite Tim Spaull, and I was sort of self deprecatory
and a bit sort of you know, and there was
a theater critic in the audience that had become a
friend of mine. He was the theater critic for the
Daily Mail. And he took me aside in the bar

(59:49):
after and he said, Dominic, I've just got one note
for you for the whole performance. And I was like, really,
I was brilliant, and he said, your your theater, your
your curtain call. He said it was they've come to
see a star, Show them a star. And I never

(01:00:10):
forgot that. And he said, in fact, you're doing them
a disservice with your bully. Thank you very much, thank
you very much. Yeah, And I never forgot that good
point at the curtain call too.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
That's what I was going to say, in a sort
of you know you would.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Not in a puffed up, you know, overly proud way,
but show them your appreciation for them. That's what they've
come to see.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Never find that it's valid point.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Well, thank you guys, it's you both. This is a
really fun chat. I hope you enjoyed yourselves too.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
Yes, it's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
It's fun than.

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
Almost it's almost

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Amos, it's almost