November 23, 2025 • 46 mins
Season 3 finale! Dominic Keating and Connor Trinneer, with special guest Michael Dorn, watch Star Trek: Enterprise's "Shockwave, Part 1", the finale of Season 1 of Enterprise. It's a doozy of an episode, ratcheting up the stakes of the Time War, and heralding the return of sinister favorites Silik and "Future Guy", along with the enigmatic Agent Daniels. Seems as though plucking Archer out of the timeline was a major flap of the butterfly's wings...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The show has been gunned.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We've car.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
It's the conch.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, Trekky's and trekkers. Welcome
back to this our last watch party of season one,
episode twenty six, Shockwave Part one. I have your co
host kissing join joined by Joined by this fella. I
(00:36):
co hosts my bestie mister Connageer and then matel.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
So.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
This episode closes our first season and it was written
by Rick and Brannon. It's directed by the fantastic Alan Croker,
who I did try and get. We'll try and find
him for a future episodes. He was terrific director. It
co stars Matt Winston as Daniels, John Fleck, the incomparable
(01:06):
John Fleck as the dastardly sillic, Vaughan Armstrong as Admiral Forrest,
and James Haran.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
As future Guy or very Do Do Do?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Do Do Do?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
It's a hell of an episode.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
There's a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
There's a lot going on. First fun factor, bit of trivia.
This is the first and last and only time that
they had a cliffhanger at the end of a season.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
One of the legacy shows.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I did not know that I did not know that
too till I looked it up on Memory Alpha. They
had other cliffhangers in other shows, but they came in
the second and third seasons and whatever. So this was
you know, this was a first and I think it's,
you know, the the end of it if we jump
right to the end, certainly has echoes of eleven and
(02:01):
the World Trade Centers, and it's all you know, rather dark,
really do and quite so. But it's got it. No,
it doesn't start out that way at all. It's it's
rather amusing at the beginning the teaser. So we we
(02:21):
come across a mining colony. They what do they call
the Paragons, something like that, Yes, the Paragon two colonists. Yes,
a matriarchal society where we understand the men are making
great strides. But in the last decade the Paragon males
have made great strides to acquire equal rights.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That was just the vote, quite quite quite witty.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So we want to go and visit them, and you know,
in our usual sort of you know, gun ho fashion.
So off we go in the shuttle pod and I'm driving.
We are aware that there is a danger. Do you
want to fill them in on the danger?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yes, the danger.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
What is the pro the protine, isn't it that?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
So when the mining operation releases, I guess it's a
gas called tetrasine, which sort of you know, I don't know,
a few.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Thousand feet up in their atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
So and fifty kilometers. Your rule book says that you
should shut the plasma.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Ducks down because they it runs the risk of igniting
this tetrasine.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Zhast plasma is about the only thing had enough to
ignite it.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
And you decide that you're going to do it. It's
seventy five kilometers.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I do as a safe play, to be on the
safe side, I'm going to lock them off at about
seventy five. And unfortunately it would seem that that wasn't
good enough, because all of a sudden, boom and we
ignite the entire you know, planet, or at least that
(04:08):
section of it.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Thirty six hundred people.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Thirty six hundred people perish in the fireball.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
No buildings, no trees, no people, it's impossible.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And the shuttle pod is hurtled out of the atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
One of the things they'll never understand, never understand, is
that we didn't have seat belts.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
No and I have to say, and I took cambrage.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Someone somewhere recently said that the shuttle pods looked.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Gank hanky. Who was it, I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Someone in some comment somewhere said might have been on
the morning feed on the day of the show airs.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I mean the inside of them. I guess that the
struts that lift the.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Doors up and down do look a bit like they
you know, sort of you know, barely good enough to
lift a shopping cart.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I never felt that one time.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
You never did, No, I mean I banged my head
on them enough times, and let me tell.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You they're bloody real right right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So anyway, so we big explosion and we really have
truly fed up. It looks like back on the ship,
so that's the teaser, and back on the ship, we're
sort of, you know, going back over what's what happened?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And well we walk into this mid scene where you
it's it seems to be the first time because it
happened to trip a lot that Malcolm has messed up.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
I closed both ducks.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Any kind of malfunction would have triggered an alarm, two alarms.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
There are backups to prevent these kinds of accidents. The
ducks were closed, yeah, and rumbled truly.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, And it's all fingers are pointing at Malcolm for
not having shut the plasma ducks down in time. If
he shut them down at all, or at least, I
think it's the right.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
One that we think set it off.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
But I'm absolutely you know, positive and recalcitrant in my
positivity that I, you know, operated the ducks properly and
this was this was something else entirely that that call.
But it's all fingers point to us having you know,
(06:37):
been the culprit before.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
We know it.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
This has got to be reported to staffleet and an
archer goes in to take that call with with Admiral Forest,
which doesn't go well. You realize they'll undoubtedly bring the
full consider this. Sorry, John, He's got to report now
to survive and the likelihood is no, you know, we
(07:04):
don't know what the likelihood is going to be.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
But you can.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
See on his face that he carries a lot of
guilt about this.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, about the death of thirty six hundred people. Yeah,
you know where this is not what we're out in
space to do. And it's a good scene, that opening scene.
I mean, I like you said to me the other day,
you said you'd seen it and I'd forgotten. Yeah, that
Malcolm's you know, he holds.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
His own, but it's shaky and there's doubtinitely die.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, you stand up for yourself and you're you're convinced
that you know, you followed the protocols and you know
that Archer has a significant amount of doubt on his face.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Whether or not that's the case.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Then you'd better start re examining those logs because something
doesn't add up here.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
And then don't we shortly go into this What doesn't
make any sense that the tetrasine levels were so low
that it wouldn't have happened. The tetrazine levels were less
than three parts per million.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yes, and there's the analysis shows that the boro carbons
in the atmosphere. That then enforces the probability that it
was the shuttle plasma ducks that caused the explosion. But
I still don't believe that this is possible.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
I don't care whether that pro picked up traces of
bread pudding.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Both our plasma ducks were locked down and there were
no leaks in the system.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It doesn't add up.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It doesn't add up. There's something queer forrest Is called
the Meeting with the Vulcans. There's that nice scene between
Jolene to Paul and Flocks in the sick bay and
she sort of ruminates on, you know, is the captain
fit to to lead the ship because he's in such
(09:04):
a state of emotional distress.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I've tried to remind him that this was an accident,
but his responses have been illogical. Yeah, he's having all
the feelings.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, and and flox is. John's great, isn't he? And
it's just lovely that he explains, you know, to a
Vulcan the meaning of being human, and that it would
be queer and odd if he didn't have these feelings
and be suffering from grief.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
It would be unnatural for the captain not to be
affected by grief.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
They also pulls a ah, you vulcans.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Ah to be vulcan.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Oh, yeah, you Vulcans. It's a lovely line.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Is it your line at the beginning of it all?
Here we are making history every light year.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
We're making history with it every light year.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
We were repeated to him, Yes, well, bit does that
come in? Because I wrote that down as a great line.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
It's in the teaser.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
It's in the teaser, and it.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Shows what's going to happen later.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It's it's it's us making our decision to go down
and see these colonists and and you know, you know
again the gun howners making history with every light year.
So I think it's a great line. I did write
that down.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
So that about does that one, doesn't it? So? And no,
we come back to so after after Paul's.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Scene with the flocks in the in the sit bay,
Forrest then tells Archer that you know, dun't dun't dum.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
The mission's been canceled.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
You've been recalled Stafflee to bringing Enterprise home. You guys
are not ready for this yet. It could be another
ten twenty years before we're even allowed to set foot
out into deep space.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Act too.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Read to the rescue, as it were, won't let this drop.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
He finds it rather interesting, an unusual em signature that
warrants further investigation on the shuttle pod could be anything.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Mister Reid felt you'd be interested.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And then a nice another again, a nice scene when
Jolene to Paul goes to visit Archer and you know
he's throwing his water polo ball around, which always indicates,
you know, rumination with the captain.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
That's how that's how I solve problem.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
The dog's licking his face and he's chucking a water
poler around.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
This is going to be the first time a Vulcan
has ever attempted to cheer up a human.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
The oddity of a Vulcan trying to cheer up a
human being. He'said you basically a lovely line that I've
forgotten that the first time in history that a Vulcan
tried to cheer up. And yeah, it's a nice little
touch that I have to say, not easily done, you know,
doing lines and throwing the ball up, catching it on
(12:18):
the line. It's a bit like eating. It's a bit
like an eating scene. And he did it rather well,
I have to say.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
For the audience you have to remember that, you know,
you have to match this. So he was always so
good at this eating and and this scene as well,
where I know he planned this.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, absolutely, every every up, every up and down, every
ball to the back of the knee on them to
make the mark on the on the line. It's to
make it look so natural and easy. Is man and
you know, it's I think he was fifty at the time.
I mean, I you know, I'm saying chippily.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
You know, God, that's old.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
He turned fifty on the show, not in the first season.
It was probably forty nine in this forty eight and
a half forty nine. Yeah, it was in great shape. Yeah,
we watched as at crossing. You know, you just see,
I don't know how he did it, man. I mean
he had two small kids that he you know, attended to, particularly.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Will and Owen.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Owen.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Owen was a particularly tricky kid at night, wouldn't go
to sleep, and yeah, and he was up half the night.
You know. Scott wasn't the sort of father that would
just go, hey, wifey, go and take care of that.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I've got to work at six in the morning.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
He was you know, it was a few times at
least once he had sort of shared that that Owen
didn't sleep. Yeah, of course it foreshadows my own experience
as a father, but that you know, we'd walk in
to work it six seven in the morning, and I'd
(14:03):
be like, did you get any sleep?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
And he'd be like, not really, and he had a
full work day, you know, and this one, you know,
we're gonna get to it, but you've got a scene
with him which is laden with technobab.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Then all you'll have to do is renormalize the tertiary
wave functions.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
When you're figuring out the beacons and the quantum math
physics of that is.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
It's in the blooper reel of season one?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Is it really? I forget? Did you just say?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
But you know, I'll also have we passed the point
where Trip also has this nice scene with Flocks where
he's telling him that we have to go home, and
Flox is all sort of yes about the idea, and I'm.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Sure an equally adventurous opportunity will present itself.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Always look on the bride side of life.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
You who knows you might go home and open up
a chestnut roasting store. So right, yeah, yeah, it is
a nice scene.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
And uh.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, and I think Trip's attitude to the whole you know,
recall is nicely played, mate, And yeah, just right on
the right on the nose of it, you know, enough
enough indignation and and just general you know, real upset
(15:37):
and and somewhat furious that we're still being you know, collared.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, that's seen what Joline in the captain's office where
he's like, we're going home. Trip is like what, I.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Can't believe you'reletting him do this to us.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
You've waited all your life to come in this ship.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I love it as you leave the as you I know,
just as you left the ready room, you have that brief.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Pause before you walk out the door. I love a
brief pause.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I remember I remember saying that Alan, can I just
almost go out and then.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And they want to go back in and say something else.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, yeah, I noticed that, mate, So where are we
She's trying to cheer him up.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yes. So then before we know it, to.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Paul leaves and he puts the water polo down, turns
the lights off, and the next thing we know, he's
he goes to bed, turns the lives off, and suddenly
he's back on earth in San Francisco in either his
apartment block or a holding hotel room. Prior to ten months,
(16:54):
back to the beginning of the season, prior to us
about to board the ship and make our you know,
maiden voyage. And it's rather well done that it is.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You know, he dials up the woman from the Federation.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yes, yeah, yes, Doctor Flox he's assigned to Starfleet Medical
here in San Francisco to ask about piece together that
you know, do we have a denobulan doctor waiting? Yeah,
and yes we do, and we didn't know anything about
that and we know exactly and he pieces it all
together that this is like Wow.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
I didn't even know Flox existed before they brought Clang.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Where am I? What is going on? And before he
knows it, Daniels appears Matt Winston.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
This must be very disorienting. I apologize, but I have
no choice.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Daniels had been on the show earlier in season one,
hadn't he? And I'm trying to think what episode that
was in. I was always very jealous of him coming on,
he said to good actor, and he is.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
He just got great, you know, stuff to do. And
he filled those.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Boots really well. He was wonderful, he really was, and
had just the right look. Yeah, and he was very
clever at being very still in the camera. Yeah, just
what you know, his natural gravitas was always apparent, because
it's not an easy part to pull off.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
No, you know, think about it this way. You know,
he's supposed to be very grounded, he's supposed to have,
as you said, gravitas, and we'd never we've seen him
one other time, so we had a little bit experience
with us. But that's that's a that's a tough road
to hoe when you're walking into a set and you're
supposed to be that kind of character and to own
it and to and to put that out there.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yes, because you actually, you know, in many respects, he
suddenly becomes the king of the show. He is the
all seeing And when you come in as a guest
star and you don't know anyone and you've got to
act like you're bigger and better than the rest of you,
that's uh, that takes some acting chops to bring that off.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Go action.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And I look at Scott. I'm sure you know, was
as glorious with him as he was with everyone.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
So I'm sure he put him.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
But he has some really nice nuances in his delivery
and in his character that you know what it would be.
You know, he did such a nice you know he
colored to the edges.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, yeah, really good, nice performance. And like I say,
I was, there's not an actor dead or alive. I'm
not jealous of.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Love that in your head.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I don't know, mate, It comes and goes, yeah, so
nice scene with them ten months back, and Daniels fills
him in and says, it's not a dream, and I've
brought you back here so that we can talk in peace.
(20:04):
And it turns out that someone has been tampering with
the timeline because the explosion that you know, our plasma
ducks apparently was never meant to happen.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, or it didn't happen. It wasn't recorded.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
No, it wasn't exactly wasn't recorded.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Someone violated the temporal accord.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
So then actually gets sent back to the present and
confirms that the shuttle pod was sabotaged to emit a
plasma stream and I will find I'm going to find
the device that.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Was the culprit.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
It was just where we detected the em signature, but
I don't understand it was completely invisible.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Of course to Paul thinks he's absolutely du lally.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, I traveled through time and I need you to believe.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Me, he pleads, He beseeches he to please believe me.
I'm not mad.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I what I have you know, taken a time jump
and everything I'm telling you happened, and this is.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
This is truth. So and Joelina was always so good
at literally doing hardly anything.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Two weeks hibits could do the eye, she could do
the eyebrow.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
I don't remember accusing you of anything.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
A bit doubt, you know, especially in this scene. And
that's all it took.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, And again, always jealous of an actor that can
do that eyebrow. I mean it's you don't have to act,
you just do the eyebrow. You literally, I mean it's
just it just cuts through.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
When I was in drama school, in one of our
acting classes, we literally had to practice for a week
raise your eyebrow.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Honestly, I've literally I've gorilla taped mine down.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
It won't work, can't do it.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
So Archie talks to Paul about the advanced quantum engineering
that he learned from Daniels that we need to put together,
and that's when he comes to you for season Blooper
number one.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I'm sure it wasn't number one, but no. We're standing
at the monitor and he says something and I'm supposed
to say whatever, goblygook I'm supposed to say, and it
went like.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
You'll have to isolate the sub assembly tolerances from the
emitter algorithms.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Well, hold on a minute.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, not a clue.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I have no idea, and we're going ahead of ourselves apparently.
So the sabotage device is Sulaban technology. We've we've established
that by now. And then he and I Captain and
I read go to Daniel's former quarters to find holographic
database to get the specs of the cloak Sulaban ship.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Why did Daniels.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Leave it in his quarters?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I don't recall him having much time to pack before
he left.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I like that walking and talking seeing with Scott.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
It was rather good in a candy story.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, I love and yeah, as soon as I see
the Once I get in board, there's all these schematics
of the Klingons and I'm like, woh.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
They've got schematics and half a dozen different cling one ships.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
And He's like, just the Suliban stuff.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
The stealth cruisers, Lieutenant, nothing else.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
We get this.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
We get the specs of the of the of the
cloaked so we find out that the Suliban ships or
the ship that that caused this explosion was cloaked. We
plot a course to where Daniels said the Cloak ship
would be and uh, and so we get there and
(24:01):
we get to see without them knowing that we can
see them where they're parked.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Up, but they have no idea we can see through
their cloak.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
So we unmask them, we plot a course, we find
them and read.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Really so then it's up to me. I hit it precisely.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It's rather good, this bit where I shoot the photon
torpedo underneath and get right underneath them to disable it.
As Archer yourself and to Paul Boord the Superman Ship,
I mean, Herman did an amazing job with that set.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Did It really was.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Fantastic, wasn't it? Because it was do you remember it?
Because I never got.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
To work on it.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
But yeah, it was pretty extensive, wasn't it. It looked extensively.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I just don't know how he did.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
That amazing, I mean it really was. I loved it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
All the sliding you know door as it were, the
floor doors, And I tell you there were a couple
of things in that. I mean the cgi of the
sulaban on the ceiling that all get blown up by
the stunt grenade and then dropped like cats and dogs
to the to the floor, and then our real life
sulaban whoever they were. God bless them the extra actors
(25:20):
that played them. I don't know who taught them or
coached them, but their stealth walk or suliban you know. Yeah,
Glide was really bang on.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I really liked the version of the slestacks.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, yeah, where are we we plugg I'll.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Also say one thing about you know that set. Anytime
you had an open hole with a ladder that you
were meant to go down, you'd look at that thing
and go oh geh, because you don't want to look
like an idiot.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
No make any make make in those moves, and invariably
there would only be three feet underneath it. Yeah, that
you'd have to get into, so, you know, because it
would be like three four feet off the floor. And yeah, yeah,
I mean we were pretty agile.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I have to say.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I mean I love how Scott comes down those stairs,
jumps about halfway down it to the floor, and then
goes in and grabs the discs.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yes, yeah, beautifully done.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
One thing that crossed my mind was he knows exactly
how to work a suleiban, you know techno plate.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Did you notice that?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, we only had a forty five minute show. Sometimes
you just got to swallow that.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
He sometimes you just got to swallow it.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
He went to Sulaban Tech plate school and he knew
exactly which way. Yeah, anyway, so he grabs the disc
they retrieved the data disc read fires more to cover them.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Uh, and you got these great little grenades.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
So yeah, I've forgotten this bit.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
So you're we're still locked on to the bottom of
the Sulaban ship, but at least you guys are in
the in the and they've got down in time too
to activate the I don't know, or deactivate the unlocking device.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
And you can't.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You can't get away, but you you're flying the ship
and Captain you know just says, you know, pedal to
the metal, mate, Yeah, and you rip it off and
to Sulaban die mercilessly and I fly out of the
fly out of the hole of their ship, and you
(27:50):
break free.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
So we get to.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Act four and Hoshi and to Paul can interpret the
discs data.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
There are sensor logs that tracked are worse our altitude,
even our hull temperature.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
From the disc we find out that all along a
Pseuderman ship cloaked had you know, crept up underneath our
shuttle pod as we went down to Paragon too, and
and attached this little you know device to the end
of our planet for a.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Few minutes and they have enough time to get that
on the shuttle pod.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Just long enough to attach this and cloak it and scarper.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, back up a little bit. You know, I really
thought that that scene was nice in the ready room
where we're all there and he tells us what our
assignments are, and I walk up and I'd say sir,
and he goes, we didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
It wasn't us, sir, it wasn't us trip, we didn't
do it.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, nice scene.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
The whole thing was nice. You know, he's he's finally
back on his feet. So I digressed it.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
That was. Yeah, it's nice, and you know, the resolve
and relief that you know that that we're not completely
fuck ups.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, yeah, I mean because I think that's the heavy burden,
isn't it, that that we're the first out there and
everybody's looking at us. Uh And I we brushed over that,
that the thought of us going back to Planet Earth
with our starfleekd tail between our legs to suffer the
(29:26):
ignominy of you know, you messed up and not just
little uh but and the shame of it, and you
killed thirty six hundred colonists by the way, and yeah,
it's uh, it's a big episode. It's a big episode.
It's a good episode to end the season on, I
have to say. And the fact that they made of
(29:48):
the cliffhanger is uh is yeah, it was a it
was a smart idea. And the fact that it's it
foreshadows season three, albeit one season earlier, that we're already
looking at what had just happened in America in real
(30:09):
time with the World Trade Center event and nine eleven
and and we'll get there. So they interpret the discs
data the ship did, docked with with the with US
and attached the mysterious device, and then back at the ranch.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
They boarded a cloak.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
That's they knew exactly where to find a disc.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
That smirky smile he carries all the.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Time, magnified by the way the wonderful, wonderful makeup and
prosthetics that allowed him to be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And he's so he's suddenly up in
front of the boss.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Uh, future guy, you know.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
What happened the last time you feeled me?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I never met him.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I don't believe James Horan. No, I don't think I
ever know.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I'm sure he shot he probably shot alone.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I can't think.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I can't think that they would have shot them in
the same on the same stage.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Because he was possible.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
No, he was. He was in front of a green screen.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
He was shot alone somewhere. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And we never saw von We never saw Vaughn.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I don't think we have a sort of wall. No.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I mean I never spoke to I mean I met
him one time. But in fact of the first time
I met Vaughan in real life at the convention, you.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Weren't even sure he was.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I did find out later.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
You were always a bit like that, won't you.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I think I have that that facial recognition condition where.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Number two on the cool seat.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I mean maybe, but there are times when I'll.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Meet Are you not good with faces? I'm great, I
see face, he says, I'm good at names. I'm not
so good.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
With your neighbor, your old neighbor who was at your wedding.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Uh oh, Matt, No woman, oh Amy.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
She walks up and says, hi, and how's it going,
And I'm like, not a clue, no idea oh no, idea.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Did you let on that you didn't know who she was?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
No, but it did dawn on me, and she started
like telling the stories about you know, coming over to
your house and and then and then I went, oh,
oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Okay, anyway, we digress.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Philip's got to report to future guy who's pissed, and
he orders him Silk to recapture Archer. And I guess
this is actually where to Paul is skeptical of the
time travel stuff, and she really questions Archer's story. But
that and that's where he goes. You've got to believe me,
(32:54):
you know, my dear, I'm not Craig Cray, and everything
I'm telling you happened.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
And uh.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Meanwhile, uh, on deck on the bridge, I call the
captain and say, I think you're better come up here
or come through. We're having a lot of trouble balancing
the warp field. And you come along and go.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Seems find a move.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
They look fine, Well they're not.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Uh, and you look at a couple of squiggly lines.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I'm like, okay, it's not. Turns out that we're being
absolutely surrounded by just a swarm of suliban.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
I mean they look like sort of you know grenades, don't.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
They They kind of look like honey with big sacks.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Anyway, we're being surrounded by them and they are wreaking
habit with our warp field and the balancing of it,
and they're all on to the teeth with particle weapons.
We don't have a chance of even taking them on.
There's just too many of them. And I have to
defer to that. Silk demands that Archer bored his transport
in five minutes.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
If you don't comply, I have permission to destroy Enterprise.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
When I watch these shows and whatever they are, I
demand that you.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Board my ship in five minutes.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Clock is ticking whatever that it might be, right, whatever
you call it.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Whatever you people call it. It's funny, how I mean,
You've got to give, you know, some license somewhere that
we all have the same sort of you know, touchstones Archer.
So this is a rather moving scene where Archer is like, okay,
I'm giving myself up.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
People eye on porthos for me. Would you remember no cheese?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
He leads to Paul in command he going to his death.
He pretty much.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Thinks he's giving himself up to save the ship. He's
going to be the Yeah, not just a hostage, but
probably the hangman.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
As it were. You try and dissuade him, and he
refers you to to Paul.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Now, how do you know what they're going to be
in command?
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Now trip.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
It's a nice scene, but yeah, suddenly they're looking out
just on this thirty first century of devastation. And Daniel's
great suit. By the way, Bob Blackman just outdid himself.
I mean I would wear that to the Hacienda Club
any night of the week, heaven you name it. A great,
(35:40):
great outfit, I mean just and his hair was just
cut great. It was, you know, really nice subtle difference
between first meeting him in the in the hotel room
as it worth ten months before and now we're in
the thirty first century.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, I will say that that Daniels looked to me
because his hair is all the way it was, and
his uniform whatever he's wearing. I just thought, this is
these are the aliens from Galaxy Quest when they dress up.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
That's true. Yeah, well we before the Galaxy Quest came
before us, isn't it. Yeah, So anyway, there's the two
of them.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Well, Daniels says that that something about that this this
happened like three hundred years ago.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
It looks like it happened a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
He basically says, this didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Daniels Is explains that the ruined city used to be
a beautiful thirty first century city and explains that somehow
saving Archer made something go horribly wrong in the temporal
war or timeline, and.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Then Archier says, I'd like to go back, and I'll
take my chances with Silic.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
But unfortunately, because of the temporal snaffoo, all portals have
been destroyed, and there is.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Dank dank, dank dan damn, no way him back. You
are stuck here with me.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
In a great shot though, coming off of profile and
then coming out to see the destruction.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Rather chilling really when you think about what's going on
in Gaza at the moment and all around the world,
all around the world.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, Cray, And then that's that's the episode. I do
want to sort of do a little bit of a recap,
at least of my opinion on the first season. I
think that we did an extraordinary job, and I'm not
patting myself on the back. I think that we we
put this show on skis and we went straight downhill
(37:54):
and and and everybody was on board, and everybody was
doing their job very very well. It was nice to
see the the evolution of the actors playing the parts
and get comfortable in their own skin and their own uniforms.
And and everyone did that.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Everyone fleshed it out really well, quite quickly, extraordinary quickly.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
And I know that that every series in the Legacy franchise,
at least, you know, it took a couple of years
to get your sea legs. No, I didn't feel that
about our show.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
And I maybe I don't think you've got gilded glasses
on when you when you synted glasses when you say that,
I've We've watched these shows now pretty extensively, and I'm
not dissing the others, but no, I think some of
them took a minute or two to get, as you say,
their sea legs. And they're pilots, you know, other than
(38:54):
Deep Space Nines Pilot, which was passed pretty passable, I
will say, But so I don't know Voyages Pilot, I
got to say, not so much. Next Gens Pilot. I
mean it could be Multy Python. Frankly, I'm not joking.
(39:15):
I mean it's they're on the screen to watch.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
You're right, right, And so many people have said. People
have walked up to me and said, you know, it
takes all the shows a couple of years, and now
that I've really gone through our show consistently in order, sorry,
that wasn't our case.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
No, I don't think so either.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, the I mean some of the episodes were maybe
evocative or that's a kind word, derivative, maybe a bit
more on the nose of past Star Trek episodes. I've
got a funny feeling that, you know, one faction of
the writing room wanted to modernize or move, move with
(40:00):
the time, and I think the headhn show was like,
I've got four shows, three shows behind.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Me that says it ain't broke.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
No, I mean I don't. It must have been in
season two when I did this. But you know, I
pitched a few stories and did some specteasers with a
buddy of mine and delivered them. I had think we
did four stories and they said, thank you, but that's
not Star Trek way, and I was huh, okay, and
(40:32):
then I swear to God. Over the course of three
seasons more a couple of the ideas that I'd thrown
out there, got.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
It he showed up in some sort of guys.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, maybe it's out there in the in the zeitgeist,
but maybe I.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Pitched one or two with a buddy of mine who
was an ecologist and into all things eco and yeah, Brandon,
we didn't get either one picked up. He thought they
were too preachy for the time. They were very, very
very conscious of never ramming a political idea or any
(41:10):
any sort of moralistic idea down your throat or down
the audience's throat.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
I think the only person could be wrong that got
a script made was Piccardo.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
That wouldn't surprise me in the list. Was it about him?
Did he sing and dance in it?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I'm sure he did, But I'm affully I'm awfully proud
of this first season.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah, absolutely, me too.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
And uh, it's been a joy revisiting it properly, really
studying it and.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Getting I watched this episode three times. I watched most
of them, twining blessed. I mean it was it was
pretty complicated and and you know, there are still sort
of whole that I have in the story because of
the timeline and the future and the present and but
(42:09):
you know, they they they packed, they packed it full
to the rim.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
This really was it had it had so many moving
parts and it really, I tell you what it did
do nicely was so up the season and all the characters,
the main cast, we all got to, you know, experience
what that was going to feel like going home and
what we might have done.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
One of the great things that I think that Alan
has in his toolbox as a director is he's extraordinary
at tone. But I remember him of most of the
directors that we would have conversations about why something was
happening and how in which how what direction you should
(42:55):
go in, and he was always right. And he managed
this episode, which was very complicated, exceedingly well that if
I had walked in and that was my first directing gig,
i'd quit. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
There was a lot, a lot of storytelling and to
keep all those balls in the air and to you know,
sew them together in a lucid way so that the
audience isn't like what's going on, you know, because you're not.
You're never in doubt about what's happening. It's just a
lot is happening.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
You know, a lot of directors that I wind up
working with, Say, as a guest star, you know, you
go in and the director literally does not direct the regulars. No, No,
you're fine, You're awesome.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Wasn't there too? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Or doesn't yeah, and then comes down on the guest star.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
It's the guest stars of life and live multiple five days.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, Well we're a very good first episode first season
rather and look forward to uh to marching on with
season two and part two. Yeah, and we'll see if
we can't get some more directors and writers in.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
I'm going to try and find Alan. I tried.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
I went through Mary Howard, she didn't have a number.
I went through Brannon, he didn't have a number. Rick
might I'll reach out to Rick and see he might
have a number in his in his phone.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
For he's Canadians, so he's probably not going to want
to come on now. But I will say I want to.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Say this in order for in order for count As
to become the fifty first day, England's got to let
it go first.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Well, that's true, hold on things for a long time
down with the audience that I want to thank you
for coming along this ride with us, and I have
enjoyed it. I believe that you've enjoyed a great deal
and looking forward to the second season.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah, moving forward to it too, all right mate, I'd
love you seeing you.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
We'll speak next week, all right, man.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
I know No. Four
The show has been gunned.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We've car.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
It's the conch.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, Trekky's and trekkers. Welcome
back to this our last watch party of season one,
episode twenty six, Shockwave Part one. I have your co
host kissing join joined by Joined by this fella. I
(00:36):
co hosts my bestie mister Connageer and then matel.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
So.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
This episode closes our first season and it was written
by Rick and Brannon. It's directed by the fantastic Alan Croker,
who I did try and get. We'll try and find
him for a future episodes. He was terrific director. It
co stars Matt Winston as Daniels, John Fleck, the incomparable
(01:06):
John Fleck as the dastardly sillic, Vaughan Armstrong as Admiral Forrest,
and James Haran.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
As future Guy or very Do Do Do?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Do Do Do?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
It's a hell of an episode.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
There's a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
There's a lot going on. First fun factor, bit of trivia.
This is the first and last and only time that
they had a cliffhanger at the end of a season.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
One of the legacy shows.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I did not know that I did not know that
too till I looked it up on Memory Alpha. They
had other cliffhangers in other shows, but they came in
the second and third seasons and whatever. So this was
you know, this was a first and I think it's,
you know, the the end of it if we jump
right to the end, certainly has echoes of eleven and
(02:01):
the World Trade Centers, and it's all you know, rather dark,
really do and quite so. But it's got it. No,
it doesn't start out that way at all. It's it's
rather amusing at the beginning the teaser. So we we
(02:21):
come across a mining colony. They what do they call
the Paragons, something like that, Yes, the Paragon two colonists. Yes,
a matriarchal society where we understand the men are making
great strides. But in the last decade the Paragon males
have made great strides to acquire equal rights.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That was just the vote, quite quite quite witty.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So we want to go and visit them, and you know,
in our usual sort of you know, gun ho fashion.
So off we go in the shuttle pod and I'm driving.
We are aware that there is a danger. Do you
want to fill them in on the danger?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yes, the danger.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
What is the pro the protine, isn't it that?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
So when the mining operation releases, I guess it's a
gas called tetrasine, which sort of you know, I don't know,
a few.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Thousand feet up in their atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
So and fifty kilometers. Your rule book says that you
should shut the plasma.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Ducks down because they it runs the risk of igniting
this tetrasine.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Zhast plasma is about the only thing had enough to
ignite it.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
And you decide that you're going to do it. It's
seventy five kilometers.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I do as a safe play, to be on the
safe side, I'm going to lock them off at about
seventy five. And unfortunately it would seem that that wasn't
good enough, because all of a sudden, boom and we
ignite the entire you know, planet, or at least that
(04:08):
section of it.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Thirty six hundred people.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Thirty six hundred people perish in the fireball.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
No buildings, no trees, no people, it's impossible.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And the shuttle pod is hurtled out of the atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
One of the things they'll never understand, never understand, is
that we didn't have seat belts.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
No and I have to say, and I took cambrage.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Someone somewhere recently said that the shuttle pods looked.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Gank hanky. Who was it, I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Someone in some comment somewhere said might have been on
the morning feed on the day of the show airs.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I mean the inside of them. I guess that the
struts that lift the.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Doors up and down do look a bit like they
you know, sort of you know, barely good enough to
lift a shopping cart.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I never felt that one time.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
You never did, No, I mean I banged my head
on them enough times, and let me tell.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You they're bloody real right right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So anyway, so we big explosion and we really have
truly fed up. It looks like back on the ship,
so that's the teaser, and back on the ship, we're
sort of, you know, going back over what's what happened?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And well we walk into this mid scene where you
it's it seems to be the first time because it
happened to trip a lot that Malcolm has messed up.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
I closed both ducks.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Any kind of malfunction would have triggered an alarm, two alarms.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
There are backups to prevent these kinds of accidents. The
ducks were closed, yeah, and rumbled truly.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, And it's all fingers are pointing at Malcolm for
not having shut the plasma ducks down in time. If
he shut them down at all, or at least, I
think it's the right.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
One that we think set it off.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
But I'm absolutely you know, positive and recalcitrant in my
positivity that I, you know, operated the ducks properly and
this was this was something else entirely that that call.
But it's all fingers point to us having you know,
(06:37):
been the culprit before.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
We know it.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
This has got to be reported to staffleet and an
archer goes in to take that call with with Admiral Forest,
which doesn't go well. You realize they'll undoubtedly bring the
full consider this. Sorry, John, He's got to report now
to survive and the likelihood is no, you know, we
(07:04):
don't know what the likelihood is going to be.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
But you can.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
See on his face that he carries a lot of
guilt about this.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, about the death of thirty six hundred people. Yeah,
you know where this is not what we're out in
space to do. And it's a good scene, that opening scene.
I mean, I like you said to me the other day,
you said you'd seen it and I'd forgotten. Yeah, that
Malcolm's you know, he holds.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
His own, but it's shaky and there's doubtinitely die.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, you stand up for yourself and you're you're convinced
that you know, you followed the protocols and you know
that Archer has a significant amount of doubt on his face.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Whether or not that's the case.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Then you'd better start re examining those logs because something
doesn't add up here.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
And then don't we shortly go into this What doesn't
make any sense that the tetrasine levels were so low
that it wouldn't have happened. The tetrazine levels were less
than three parts per million.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yes, and there's the analysis shows that the boro carbons
in the atmosphere. That then enforces the probability that it
was the shuttle plasma ducks that caused the explosion. But
I still don't believe that this is possible.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
I don't care whether that pro picked up traces of
bread pudding.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Both our plasma ducks were locked down and there were
no leaks in the system.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It doesn't add up.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It doesn't add up. There's something queer forrest Is called
the Meeting with the Vulcans. There's that nice scene between
Jolene to Paul and Flocks in the sick bay and
she sort of ruminates on, you know, is the captain
fit to to lead the ship because he's in such
(09:04):
a state of emotional distress.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I've tried to remind him that this was an accident,
but his responses have been illogical. Yeah, he's having all
the feelings.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, and and flox is. John's great, isn't he? And
it's just lovely that he explains, you know, to a
Vulcan the meaning of being human, and that it would
be queer and odd if he didn't have these feelings
and be suffering from grief.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
It would be unnatural for the captain not to be
affected by grief.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
They also pulls a ah, you vulcans.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Ah to be vulcan.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Oh, yeah, you Vulcans. It's a lovely line.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Is it your line at the beginning of it all?
Here we are making history every light year.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
We're making history with it every light year.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
We were repeated to him, Yes, well, bit does that
come in? Because I wrote that down as a great line.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
It's in the teaser.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
It's in the teaser, and it.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Shows what's going to happen later.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It's it's it's us making our decision to go down
and see these colonists and and you know, you know
again the gun howners making history with every light year.
So I think it's a great line. I did write
that down.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
So that about does that one, doesn't it? So? And no,
we come back to so after after Paul's.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Scene with the flocks in the in the sit bay,
Forrest then tells Archer that you know, dun't dun't dum.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
The mission's been canceled.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
You've been recalled Stafflee to bringing Enterprise home. You guys
are not ready for this yet. It could be another
ten twenty years before we're even allowed to set foot
out into deep space.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Act too.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Read to the rescue, as it were, won't let this drop.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
He finds it rather interesting, an unusual em signature that
warrants further investigation on the shuttle pod could be anything.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Mister Reid felt you'd be interested.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And then a nice another again, a nice scene when
Jolene to Paul goes to visit Archer and you know
he's throwing his water polo ball around, which always indicates,
you know, rumination with the captain.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
That's how that's how I solve problem.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
The dog's licking his face and he's chucking a water
poler around.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
This is going to be the first time a Vulcan
has ever attempted to cheer up a human.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
The oddity of a Vulcan trying to cheer up a
human being. He'said you basically a lovely line that I've
forgotten that the first time in history that a Vulcan
tried to cheer up. And yeah, it's a nice little
touch that I have to say, not easily done, you know,
doing lines and throwing the ball up, catching it on
(12:18):
the line. It's a bit like eating. It's a bit
like an eating scene. And he did it rather well,
I have to say.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
For the audience you have to remember that, you know,
you have to match this. So he was always so
good at this eating and and this scene as well,
where I know he planned this.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, absolutely, every every up, every up and down, every
ball to the back of the knee on them to
make the mark on the on the line. It's to
make it look so natural and easy. Is man and
you know, it's I think he was fifty at the time.
I mean, I you know, I'm saying chippily.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
You know, God, that's old.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
He turned fifty on the show, not in the first season.
It was probably forty nine in this forty eight and
a half forty nine. Yeah, it was in great shape. Yeah,
we watched as at crossing. You know, you just see,
I don't know how he did it, man. I mean
he had two small kids that he you know, attended to, particularly.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Will and Owen.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Owen.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Owen was a particularly tricky kid at night, wouldn't go
to sleep, and yeah, and he was up half the night.
You know. Scott wasn't the sort of father that would
just go, hey, wifey, go and take care of that.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I've got to work at six in the morning.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
He was you know, it was a few times at
least once he had sort of shared that that Owen
didn't sleep. Yeah, of course it foreshadows my own experience
as a father, but that you know, we'd walk in
to work it six seven in the morning, and I'd
(14:03):
be like, did you get any sleep?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
And he'd be like, not really, and he had a
full work day, you know, and this one, you know,
we're gonna get to it, but you've got a scene
with him which is laden with technobab.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Then all you'll have to do is renormalize the tertiary
wave functions.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
When you're figuring out the beacons and the quantum math
physics of that is.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
It's in the blooper reel of season one?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Is it really? I forget? Did you just say?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
But you know, I'll also have we passed the point
where Trip also has this nice scene with Flocks where
he's telling him that we have to go home, and
Flox is all sort of yes about the idea, and I'm.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Sure an equally adventurous opportunity will present itself.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Always look on the bride side of life.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
You who knows you might go home and open up
a chestnut roasting store. So right, yeah, yeah, it is
a nice scene.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
And uh.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, and I think Trip's attitude to the whole you know,
recall is nicely played, mate, And yeah, just right on
the right on the nose of it, you know, enough
enough indignation and and just general you know, real upset
(15:37):
and and somewhat furious that we're still being you know, collared.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, that's seen what Joline in the captain's office where
he's like, we're going home. Trip is like what, I.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Can't believe you'reletting him do this to us.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
You've waited all your life to come in this ship.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I love it as you leave the as you I know,
just as you left the ready room, you have that brief.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Pause before you walk out the door. I love a
brief pause.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I remember I remember saying that Alan, can I just
almost go out and then.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And they want to go back in and say something else.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, yeah, I noticed that, mate, So where are we
She's trying to cheer him up.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yes. So then before we know it, to.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Paul leaves and he puts the water polo down, turns
the lights off, and the next thing we know, he's
he goes to bed, turns the lives off, and suddenly
he's back on earth in San Francisco in either his
apartment block or a holding hotel room. Prior to ten months,
(16:54):
back to the beginning of the season, prior to us
about to board the ship and make our you know,
maiden voyage. And it's rather well done that it is.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You know, he dials up the woman from the Federation.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yes, yeah, yes, Doctor Flox he's assigned to Starfleet Medical
here in San Francisco to ask about piece together that
you know, do we have a denobulan doctor waiting? Yeah,
and yes we do, and we didn't know anything about
that and we know exactly and he pieces it all
together that this is like Wow.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
I didn't even know Flox existed before they brought Clang.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Where am I? What is going on? And before he
knows it, Daniels appears Matt Winston.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
This must be very disorienting. I apologize, but I have
no choice.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Daniels had been on the show earlier in season one,
hadn't he? And I'm trying to think what episode that
was in. I was always very jealous of him coming on,
he said to good actor, and he is.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
He just got great, you know, stuff to do. And
he filled those.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Boots really well. He was wonderful, he really was, and
had just the right look. Yeah, and he was very
clever at being very still in the camera. Yeah, just
what you know, his natural gravitas was always apparent, because
it's not an easy part to pull off.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
No, you know, think about it this way. You know,
he's supposed to be very grounded, he's supposed to have,
as you said, gravitas, and we'd never we've seen him
one other time, so we had a little bit experience
with us. But that's that's a that's a tough road
to hoe when you're walking into a set and you're
supposed to be that kind of character and to own
it and to and to put that out there.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yes, because you actually, you know, in many respects, he
suddenly becomes the king of the show. He is the
all seeing And when you come in as a guest
star and you don't know anyone and you've got to
act like you're bigger and better than the rest of you,
that's uh, that takes some acting chops to bring that off.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Go action.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And I look at Scott. I'm sure you know, was
as glorious with him as he was with everyone.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
So I'm sure he put him.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
But he has some really nice nuances in his delivery
and in his character that you know what it would be.
You know, he did such a nice you know he
colored to the edges.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, yeah, really good, nice performance. And like I say,
I was, there's not an actor dead or alive. I'm
not jealous of.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Love that in your head.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I don't know, mate, It comes and goes, yeah, so
nice scene with them ten months back, and Daniels fills
him in and says, it's not a dream, and I've
brought you back here so that we can talk in peace.
(20:04):
And it turns out that someone has been tampering with
the timeline because the explosion that you know, our plasma
ducks apparently was never meant to happen.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, or it didn't happen. It wasn't recorded.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
No, it wasn't exactly wasn't recorded.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Someone violated the temporal accord.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
So then actually gets sent back to the present and
confirms that the shuttle pod was sabotaged to emit a
plasma stream and I will find I'm going to find
the device that.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Was the culprit.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
It was just where we detected the em signature, but
I don't understand it was completely invisible.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Of course to Paul thinks he's absolutely du lally.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, I traveled through time and I need you to believe.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Me, he pleads, He beseeches he to please believe me.
I'm not mad.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I what I have you know, taken a time jump
and everything I'm telling you happened, and this is.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
This is truth. So and Joelina was always so good
at literally doing hardly anything.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Two weeks hibits could do the eye, she could do
the eyebrow.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
I don't remember accusing you of anything.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
A bit doubt, you know, especially in this scene. And
that's all it took.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, And again, always jealous of an actor that can
do that eyebrow. I mean it's you don't have to act,
you just do the eyebrow. You literally, I mean it's
just it just cuts through.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
When I was in drama school, in one of our
acting classes, we literally had to practice for a week
raise your eyebrow.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Honestly, I've literally I've gorilla taped mine down.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
It won't work, can't do it.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
So Archie talks to Paul about the advanced quantum engineering
that he learned from Daniels that we need to put together,
and that's when he comes to you for season Blooper
number one.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I'm sure it wasn't number one, but no. We're standing
at the monitor and he says something and I'm supposed
to say whatever, goblygook I'm supposed to say, and it
went like.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
You'll have to isolate the sub assembly tolerances from the
emitter algorithms.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Well, hold on a minute.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, not a clue.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I have no idea, and we're going ahead of ourselves apparently.
So the sabotage device is Sulaban technology. We've we've established
that by now. And then he and I Captain and
I read go to Daniel's former quarters to find holographic
database to get the specs of the cloak Sulaban ship.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Why did Daniels.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Leave it in his quarters?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I don't recall him having much time to pack before
he left.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I like that walking and talking seeing with Scott.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
It was rather good in a candy story.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, I love and yeah, as soon as I see
the Once I get in board, there's all these schematics
of the Klingons and I'm like, woh.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
They've got schematics and half a dozen different cling one ships.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
And He's like, just the Suliban stuff.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
The stealth cruisers, Lieutenant, nothing else.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
We get this.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
We get the specs of the of the of the
cloaked so we find out that the Suliban ships or
the ship that that caused this explosion was cloaked. We
plot a course to where Daniels said the Cloak ship
would be and uh, and so we get there and
(24:01):
we get to see without them knowing that we can
see them where they're parked.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Up, but they have no idea we can see through
their cloak.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
So we unmask them, we plot a course, we find
them and read.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Really so then it's up to me. I hit it precisely.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It's rather good, this bit where I shoot the photon
torpedo underneath and get right underneath them to disable it.
As Archer yourself and to Paul Boord the Superman Ship,
I mean, Herman did an amazing job with that set.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Did It really was.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Fantastic, wasn't it? Because it was do you remember it?
Because I never got.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
To work on it.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
But yeah, it was pretty extensive, wasn't it. It looked extensively.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I just don't know how he did.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
That amazing, I mean it really was. I loved it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
All the sliding you know door as it were, the
floor doors, And I tell you there were a couple
of things in that. I mean the cgi of the
sulaban on the ceiling that all get blown up by
the stunt grenade and then dropped like cats and dogs
to the to the floor, and then our real life
sulaban whoever they were. God bless them the extra actors
(25:20):
that played them. I don't know who taught them or
coached them, but their stealth walk or suliban you know. Yeah,
Glide was really bang on.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I really liked the version of the slestacks.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, yeah, where are we we plugg I'll.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Also say one thing about you know that set. Anytime
you had an open hole with a ladder that you
were meant to go down, you'd look at that thing
and go oh geh, because you don't want to look
like an idiot.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
No make any make make in those moves, and invariably
there would only be three feet underneath it. Yeah, that
you'd have to get into, so, you know, because it
would be like three four feet off the floor. And yeah, yeah,
I mean we were pretty agile.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I have to say.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I mean I love how Scott comes down those stairs,
jumps about halfway down it to the floor, and then
goes in and grabs the discs.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yes, yeah, beautifully done.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
One thing that crossed my mind was he knows exactly
how to work a suleiban, you know techno plate.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Did you notice that?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, we only had a forty five minute show. Sometimes
you just got to swallow that.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
He sometimes you just got to swallow it.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
He went to Sulaban Tech plate school and he knew
exactly which way. Yeah, anyway, so he grabs the disc
they retrieved the data disc read fires more to cover them.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Uh, and you got these great little grenades.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
So yeah, I've forgotten this bit.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
So you're we're still locked on to the bottom of
the Sulaban ship, but at least you guys are in
the in the and they've got down in time too
to activate the I don't know, or deactivate the unlocking device.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
And you can't.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You can't get away, but you you're flying the ship
and Captain you know just says, you know, pedal to
the metal, mate, Yeah, and you rip it off and
to Sulaban die mercilessly and I fly out of the
fly out of the hole of their ship, and you
(27:50):
break free.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
So we get to.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Act four and Hoshi and to Paul can interpret the
discs data.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
There are sensor logs that tracked are worse our altitude,
even our hull temperature.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
From the disc we find out that all along a
Pseuderman ship cloaked had you know, crept up underneath our
shuttle pod as we went down to Paragon too, and
and attached this little you know device to the end
of our planet for a.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Few minutes and they have enough time to get that
on the shuttle pod.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Just long enough to attach this and cloak it and scarper.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, back up a little bit. You know, I really
thought that that scene was nice in the ready room
where we're all there and he tells us what our
assignments are, and I walk up and I'd say sir,
and he goes, we didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
It wasn't us, sir, it wasn't us trip, we didn't
do it.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, nice scene.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
The whole thing was nice. You know, he's he's finally
back on his feet. So I digressed it.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
That was. Yeah, it's nice, and you know, the resolve
and relief that you know that that we're not completely
fuck ups.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, yeah, I mean because I think that's the heavy burden,
isn't it, that that we're the first out there and
everybody's looking at us. Uh And I we brushed over that,
that the thought of us going back to Planet Earth
with our starfleekd tail between our legs to suffer the
(29:26):
ignominy of you know, you messed up and not just
little uh but and the shame of it, and you
killed thirty six hundred colonists by the way, and yeah,
it's uh, it's a big episode. It's a big episode.
It's a good episode to end the season on, I
have to say. And the fact that they made of
(29:48):
the cliffhanger is uh is yeah, it was a it
was a smart idea. And the fact that it's it
foreshadows season three, albeit one season earlier, that we're already
looking at what had just happened in America in real
(30:09):
time with the World Trade Center event and nine eleven
and and we'll get there. So they interpret the discs
data the ship did, docked with with the with US
and attached the mysterious device, and then back at the ranch.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
They boarded a cloak.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
That's they knew exactly where to find a disc.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
That smirky smile he carries all the.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Time, magnified by the way the wonderful, wonderful makeup and
prosthetics that allowed him to be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And he's so he's suddenly up in
front of the boss.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Uh, future guy, you know.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
What happened the last time you feeled me?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I never met him.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I don't believe James Horan. No, I don't think I
ever know.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I'm sure he shot he probably shot alone.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I can't think.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I can't think that they would have shot them in
the same on the same stage.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Because he was possible.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
No, he was. He was in front of a green screen.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
He was shot alone somewhere. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And we never saw von We never saw Vaughn.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I don't think we have a sort of wall. No.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I mean I never spoke to I mean I met
him one time. But in fact of the first time
I met Vaughan in real life at the convention, you.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Weren't even sure he was.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I did find out later.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
You were always a bit like that, won't you.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I think I have that that facial recognition condition where.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Number two on the cool seat.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I mean maybe, but there are times when I'll.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Meet Are you not good with faces? I'm great, I
see face, he says, I'm good at names. I'm not
so good.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
With your neighbor, your old neighbor who was at your wedding.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Uh oh, Matt, No woman, oh Amy.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
She walks up and says, hi, and how's it going,
And I'm like, not a clue, no idea oh no, idea.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Did you let on that you didn't know who she was?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
No, but it did dawn on me, and she started
like telling the stories about you know, coming over to
your house and and then and then I went, oh,
oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Okay, anyway, we digress.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Philip's got to report to future guy who's pissed, and
he orders him Silk to recapture Archer. And I guess
this is actually where to Paul is skeptical of the
time travel stuff, and she really questions Archer's story. But
that and that's where he goes. You've got to believe me,
(32:54):
you know, my dear, I'm not Craig Cray, and everything
I'm telling you happened.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
And uh.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Meanwhile, uh, on deck on the bridge, I call the
captain and say, I think you're better come up here
or come through. We're having a lot of trouble balancing
the warp field. And you come along and go.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Seems find a move.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
They look fine, Well they're not.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Uh, and you look at a couple of squiggly lines.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I'm like, okay, it's not. Turns out that we're being
absolutely surrounded by just a swarm of suliban.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
I mean they look like sort of you know grenades, don't.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
They They kind of look like honey with big sacks.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Anyway, we're being surrounded by them and they are wreaking
habit with our warp field and the balancing of it,
and they're all on to the teeth with particle weapons.
We don't have a chance of even taking them on.
There's just too many of them. And I have to
defer to that. Silk demands that Archer bored his transport
in five minutes.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
If you don't comply, I have permission to destroy Enterprise.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
When I watch these shows and whatever they are, I
demand that you.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Board my ship in five minutes.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Clock is ticking whatever that it might be, right, whatever
you call it.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Whatever you people call it. It's funny, how I mean,
You've got to give, you know, some license somewhere that
we all have the same sort of you know, touchstones Archer.
So this is a rather moving scene where Archer is like, okay,
I'm giving myself up.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
People eye on porthos for me. Would you remember no cheese?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
He leads to Paul in command he going to his death.
He pretty much.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Thinks he's giving himself up to save the ship. He's
going to be the Yeah, not just a hostage, but
probably the hangman.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
As it were. You try and dissuade him, and he
refers you to to Paul.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Now, how do you know what they're going to be
in command?
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Now trip.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
It's a nice scene, but yeah, suddenly they're looking out
just on this thirty first century of devastation. And Daniel's
great suit. By the way, Bob Blackman just outdid himself.
I mean I would wear that to the Hacienda Club
any night of the week, heaven you name it. A great,
(35:40):
great outfit, I mean just and his hair was just
cut great. It was, you know, really nice subtle difference
between first meeting him in the in the hotel room
as it worth ten months before and now we're in
the thirty first century.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, I will say that that Daniels looked to me
because his hair is all the way it was, and
his uniform whatever he's wearing. I just thought, this is
these are the aliens from Galaxy Quest when they dress up.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
That's true. Yeah, well we before the Galaxy Quest came
before us, isn't it. Yeah, So anyway, there's the two
of them.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Well, Daniels says that that something about that this this
happened like three hundred years ago.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
It looks like it happened a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
He basically says, this didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Daniels Is explains that the ruined city used to be
a beautiful thirty first century city and explains that somehow
saving Archer made something go horribly wrong in the temporal
war or timeline, and.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Then Archier says, I'd like to go back, and I'll
take my chances with Silic.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
But unfortunately, because of the temporal snaffoo, all portals have
been destroyed, and there is.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Dank dank, dank dan damn, no way him back. You
are stuck here with me.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
In a great shot though, coming off of profile and
then coming out to see the destruction.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Rather chilling really when you think about what's going on
in Gaza at the moment and all around the world,
all around the world.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, Cray, And then that's that's the episode. I do
want to sort of do a little bit of a recap,
at least of my opinion on the first season. I
think that we did an extraordinary job, and I'm not
patting myself on the back. I think that we we
put this show on skis and we went straight downhill
(37:54):
and and and everybody was on board, and everybody was
doing their job very very well. It was nice to
see the the evolution of the actors playing the parts
and get comfortable in their own skin and their own uniforms.
And and everyone did that.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Everyone fleshed it out really well, quite quickly, extraordinary quickly.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
And I know that that every series in the Legacy franchise,
at least, you know, it took a couple of years
to get your sea legs. No, I didn't feel that
about our show.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
And I maybe I don't think you've got gilded glasses
on when you when you synted glasses when you say that,
I've We've watched these shows now pretty extensively, and I'm
not dissing the others, but no, I think some of
them took a minute or two to get, as you say,
their sea legs. And they're pilots, you know, other than
(38:54):
Deep Space Nines Pilot, which was passed pretty passable, I
will say, But so I don't know Voyages Pilot, I
got to say, not so much. Next Gens Pilot. I
mean it could be Multy Python. Frankly, I'm not joking.
(39:15):
I mean it's they're on the screen to watch.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
You're right, right, And so many people have said. People
have walked up to me and said, you know, it
takes all the shows a couple of years, and now
that I've really gone through our show consistently in order, sorry,
that wasn't our case.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
No, I don't think so either.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, the I mean some of the episodes were maybe
evocative or that's a kind word, derivative, maybe a bit
more on the nose of past Star Trek episodes. I've
got a funny feeling that, you know, one faction of
the writing room wanted to modernize or move, move with
(40:00):
the time, and I think the headhn show was like,
I've got four shows, three shows behind.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Me that says it ain't broke.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
No, I mean I don't. It must have been in
season two when I did this. But you know, I
pitched a few stories and did some specteasers with a
buddy of mine and delivered them. I had think we
did four stories and they said, thank you, but that's
not Star Trek way, and I was huh, okay, and
(40:32):
then I swear to God. Over the course of three
seasons more a couple of the ideas that I'd thrown
out there, got.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
It he showed up in some sort of guys.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, maybe it's out there in the in the zeitgeist,
but maybe I.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Pitched one or two with a buddy of mine who
was an ecologist and into all things eco and yeah, Brandon,
we didn't get either one picked up. He thought they
were too preachy for the time. They were very, very
very conscious of never ramming a political idea or any
(41:10):
any sort of moralistic idea down your throat or down
the audience's throat.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
I think the only person could be wrong that got
a script made was Piccardo.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
That wouldn't surprise me in the list. Was it about him?
Did he sing and dance in it?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I'm sure he did, But I'm affully I'm awfully proud
of this first season.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah, absolutely, me too.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
And uh, it's been a joy revisiting it properly, really
studying it and.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Getting I watched this episode three times. I watched most
of them, twining blessed. I mean it was it was
pretty complicated and and you know, there are still sort
of whole that I have in the story because of
the timeline and the future and the present and but
(42:09):
you know, they they they packed, they packed it full
to the rim.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
This really was it had it had so many moving
parts and it really, I tell you what it did
do nicely was so up the season and all the characters,
the main cast, we all got to, you know, experience
what that was going to feel like going home and
what we might have done.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
One of the great things that I think that Alan
has in his toolbox as a director is he's extraordinary
at tone. But I remember him of most of the
directors that we would have conversations about why something was
happening and how in which how what direction you should
(42:55):
go in, and he was always right. And he managed
this episode, which was very complicated, exceedingly well that if
I had walked in and that was my first directing gig,
i'd quit. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
There was a lot, a lot of storytelling and to
keep all those balls in the air and to you know,
sew them together in a lucid way so that the
audience isn't like what's going on, you know, because you're not.
You're never in doubt about what's happening. It's just a
lot is happening.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
You know, a lot of directors that I wind up
working with, Say, as a guest star, you know, you
go in and the director literally does not direct the regulars. No, No,
you're fine, You're awesome.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Wasn't there too? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Or doesn't yeah, and then comes down on the guest star.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
It's the guest stars of life and live multiple five days.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, Well we're a very good first episode first season
rather and look forward to uh to marching on with
season two and part two. Yeah, and we'll see if
we can't get some more directors and writers in.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
I'm going to try and find Alan. I tried.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
I went through Mary Howard, she didn't have a number.
I went through Brannon, he didn't have a number. Rick
might I'll reach out to Rick and see he might
have a number in his in his phone.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
For he's Canadians, so he's probably not going to want
to come on now. But I will say I want to.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Say this in order for in order for count As
to become the fifty first day, England's got to let
it go first.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Well, that's true, hold on things for a long time
down with the audience that I want to thank you
for coming along this ride with us, and I have
enjoyed it. I believe that you've enjoyed a great deal
and looking forward to the second season.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah, moving forward to it too, all right mate, I'd
love you seeing you.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
We'll speak next week, all right, man.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
I know No. Four
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