April 6, 2025 • 46 mins
This week, we're talking space truckers, bad decisions, and a Boomer with a bone to pick. Join us as we break down Fortunate Son!
Each week, we explore and celebrate the lives that the Star Trek universe has forever changed. From former and future cast and crew members to celebrities, scientists, and astronauts whose personal and professional journeys have been affected by the franchise, we sit down and dive deep with a new friend, laughing and learning from their stories. Sit back, grab a drink, and join our hosts, Dominic Keating and Connor Trinneer, as we get geeky in The D-Con Chamber.
Let's get social! -
📘 Facebook: The D-Con Chamber
📸 Instagram: @thedconchamber
🐦 Twitter: @thedconchamber
🌐 Website: https://thedconchamber.com
🌳 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/thedconchamber
Want more? Find us on Patreon for extended episodes + fun bonus content! https://patreon.com/thedconchamber?ut...
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-d-con-chamber--6181422/support.
Each week, we explore and celebrate the lives that the Star Trek universe has forever changed. From former and future cast and crew members to celebrities, scientists, and astronauts whose personal and professional journeys have been affected by the franchise, we sit down and dive deep with a new friend, laughing and learning from their stories. Sit back, grab a drink, and join our hosts, Dominic Keating and Connor Trinneer, as we get geeky in The D-Con Chamber.
Let's get social! -
📘 Facebook: The D-Con Chamber
📸 Instagram: @thedconchamber
🐦 Twitter: @thedconchamber
🌐 Website: https://thedconchamber.com
🌳 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/thedconchamber
Want more? Find us on Patreon for extended episodes + fun bonus content! https://patreon.com/thedconchamber?ut...
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-d-con-chamber--6181422/support.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Our wonderful executive producer, mister Dave Tabb is in the
house today. God bless him. Thank you, Dave, Thank you
very much.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hey everyone, Connor here, We just want to take a
moment to thank you so very much for tuning in
and being a part of the Decon Chamber family. Your
support keeps us going and we couldn't do this without you.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And if you love what we do and want to
help us even more, please consider joining us on Patreon.
You'll get exclusive perks, behind the scenes content, and even
opportunities to chat with us directly.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And don't forget to check out are awesome mergh because
who doesn't want to wrap their favorite podcast in style?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Baby? Every little bit helps, I promise you, and we're
really very very grateful for all of you who make
this show possible. So thanks for being there and please
enjoy this episode of the Decon Chamber.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
This show has been done.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We've come.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It's the.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, Trekky's and trekkers. Welcome
back to another watch party episode of the Decon Chamber.
I'm your co host, dominic Keating, joined as always by
my bestie here in the States, actually it's becoming a
world event. The Connisanaire is in the house here, good
(01:31):
to see you man. This week they were all on
the cruise without me again.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You're there next year finally, Yeah, I tell you, I'll
tell you a little aside. This boat, the ship was
was going into dry dock after this particular voyage because it.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Needed some work. Oh did, Yeah, it was leaking a
little bit, a little bit, a little bit. Well, this
is episode ten as the Numbers go Fortunate Son, which
was I don't mean this rudely, but I'd sort of
(02:11):
forgotten that this is an Anthony Montgomery episode, really really yeah.
Directed by LeVar Burton and written by James Duff, who
we've just been advised is quite prolific in the Star
Trek world. Has been a showrunner of other shows and
(02:32):
a TV writer and showrunner for other stuff. I don't
remember him being on the writing staff, but he miss
maybe been a script that he had proposed for other
Star Trek you know, shows that didn't make it. But
it's certainly one that made it for us. And directed
(02:55):
by LeVar I think, I said, and it's I think
it's LaVar's second episode then, because he did teran nova
what else. So it's starring guest starring Lawrence Munson as
Matthew Ryan, who is the becomes the sort of you
know how to describe it.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I got a secret mutineer, I got a secret, Yeah,
and Kieran mulroney who is Captain Keene and they're running.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Freight on the what's the name of their ship? Is
that the Fortunes? I guess yeah, yes. And one of
the trials and tribulations of running freight, as Anthony will
testify as Travis Mayweather, are attacks fairly consistently from a
(03:47):
group of pirates called the Norsicans, who are a fearful
looking bunch and terrible. Yeah. I mean that was again
again with the makeup department. I mean they did an
amazing job. I mean the you know, they look amazing,
I mean the sort of the board tooth coming out
(04:11):
of each side. I wondered if this episode was not
a direct result because it comes directly after nine to eleven,
and there's one scene in particular that Travis has with
the captain in the ready room about how to behave
(04:34):
when attacked unprovoked and what a human art, the human
action and reaction should be as opposed to what it
is being and I and it talks about revenge. And
this was literally months after nine to eleven, and you
know how what all our Knee Jr. Reactions at that
(04:56):
time were all about, you know, well that is just
a lion in the sand too far, you know, yeah,
I know, I mean we all felt it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I added too, And that's that's not typically the way
I feel.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
No, it isn't and it's certainly not the tenant with
which you were brought up as a Quaker. But we
all did, you know, we all quickly went to you
know that is you know, okay, now you want to
have it, and we all got a bit yeah. And
(05:33):
this was definitely, I feel like a very good sort
of you know, redressing of the balance of of how
we might be feeling. Yeah, couched in a.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
In a time honored film and TV theme which is pirates.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Pirates, Yeah, no kidding. So there's one there's one thing
that was pointed out and I forget who was in
that opening scene on The Fortune with Ryan and the
captain playing ball across the cargo pit. Apparently the bull's
spinning the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I was looking. I was looking very closely and it's not.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Oh it's not.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
No.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Oh okay, well I'll take your word for it.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I forget who we were talking to. But they said
that they didn't alter. Maybe I thought it might have been.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I thought it was spinning clockwise. It's not. It is
spinning anti clockwise.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, it's going that way, and for a right hander,
that's what it does. Because I looked at it very keenly,
because I forget who said.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
This to us.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, they had said that they didn't They had the
one cgi, I guess, and then they didn't alter it
for the rotation going the other direction, right right, it was.
I looked at it closely. I was like, this is
that episode?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
But it looked correct? All right? Good, all right?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Well then neither one of them could throw a football
to save their lives, though.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You can tell that, you can always tell, You can
always tell. Can you always tell if somebody played football
or baseball?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
All right? Basketball? Right? All right? I have to say
in that because I played neither. Whenever I pick up
a basketball in the gym wherever I go to and
there happens to be a basketball, or I've got a
friend of mine who's got kids with a basketball thing outside.
It's not easy the throwing action. I know, the bouncing,
I love the bouncing. I can get it through the
(07:34):
legs and everything, but when it comes to the you know,
the pitch of it, it's not easy. Takes time, it
really isn't. I mean, it's it's a special skill to
hold that steady and get the height.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Away, just like any It's just like golf. It's the
same way every time. For a standard shot, you do
it the same way every time. Of course, your circumstance
has changed, but like your your your free set jump
shot should always look the same.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Everything always looked the same.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And you know, let's let's uh, let's take a moment
to appreciate the fact that Lebron James eclipsed fifty thousand
points last night. Only man in the NBA two have
ever done that, and probably the only one who will do.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You think, so I do? What the number underneath him is?
What is it? Was it? Oh? Well, he passed, he passed,
He broke his record. This this is him breaking his record,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
This is this is a record that no one's ever touched.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
One's a touch.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Kareem's all time scoring. That was last year or the
year before.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Even so now he's in uncharted territory. We've gone off
base and bring it, bring again. Well, tell me about
the Chris before we get into the episode. Tell me
a bit about the cruise. Did you miss me? I did?
I did? You were missed? You were?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
You were talked about? Your ears must have been ringing.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Oh, bless well. I I thought of you a lot.
And uh it was a quiet week in a way here.
Quite nice to have a week off and uh get
some things done around the house and uh, but yeah,
I it was fun.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
It was It's a you know, I've I've done a
number of these and they're all similar to an extent.
We did a reading of War of the Worlds U.
John Delancy. That was that was a lot of fun
and well received. And my interviews of Roxanne, Robbie and
(09:41):
Chase where they people people really like just to sit
down interview right. Uh was there any drama?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Whatd you do Roxanne? That rings and it gets in
my ear.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
We'd have to zoom her. They moved to Nebraska, Yes,
I do know that.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, so it would be a zoom call. What did
you did you Oscar. Was she a.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Minimal Yeah, yeah, I mean she's she's really trying to
take some time off. She was in Europe for four
years directing whose I forget what, but but she'd been
quite busy, so you know we.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Should reach out. I'll reach out to her and what
we can do. What else?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Uh, let's see.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
We had Jerry for the first half and then Kate
for the second half. I don't think that was uh,
I think that Dave made up.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think, yes, I believe, Yeah, yeah, a little odd.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Robbie was there for half because he had to go
back and finish the last episode of Resident Alien, which
is ending uh this year. Spend a lot of time
with Franks and uh, Denise and Nanaan Matthew, and that's
sort of our little coterie of uh tequila drinkers.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
It was good fun. Yeah, so but it was nice.
It was you know, it's tiring. Yeah, No, it's a
it's not a it's not a it's not a free week,
that's for sure. Yeah. And then the extra hours as
it were, certainly you know, play on top, did you
play Hollywood Squares or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
No, I was not a part of Hollywood Squares. I mean,
I was, you know, you've only got it's kind of
like one thing a day that you have to do,
or sometimes do a couple of days off I was.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I was loaded in the back end. I did not
do the Hollywood Squares or the.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Gong Show because of those three separate interviews. I think
I hosted period. Those interviews they're an hour. They should
be an hour and a half, but they're an hour.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
All right.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, it sounds all right on board ship, very well attended,
and yeah, you know, it's it's a it's it's a
fun week. It's it's my favorite way to have a convention.
Everybody gets to calm down a little bit after a
day and the people aren't running around and rushing to
(12:14):
get there was autographed and they're not rushing around and
say hi and make sure they see all of the
panels because you've got you know, seven days.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Right, all right, Well, I've lad had a good time.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And you'll be happy because the ports of call next
year are I think much more interesting, are the Dominican
and Puerto Rico, which I've never.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Con called it one. Oh excellent. Yeah, I've got an
old old friend she had the ground floor flats in
the building that I am a flat in London. Jane Ransom,
who was a she was a nurse back then she moved.
She married a French boy and moved to the Dominican
Republic and had three kids. So I shall look her up.
(12:58):
I'm seeing her in Gosh. They came here for a
visit before moving to the Dominican Republic en route, and
that was twenty years ago. So here we go.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
That the Dominican Republic splits an island with Haiti. Yes, amazing, radically,
it's extraordinary. I mean, Haiti is a failed state right now.
You know why, partly partly because the French cut all
of their lumber down.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yes, they didn't win their land, yeah yeah yeah the French.
Yeah good colonialists. Yeah, British would leave your forest. Really
not really, We certainly deal with pirates, which brings us
(13:52):
promptly back to the Norsicans. So I mean, what do
you feel about this? I mean, how does yours sort
of how does it rub with you that that they
capture a Norsican pirate and keep him hostage to get
the codes to hopefully protect their ship against the next
Norsican attack. I mean I have to say, I didn't
(14:15):
feel too bad about it. What's that I didn't feel
too bad about it?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
No, I mean, you know, look, it makes good It
makes good drama.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Uh, this little cargo ship trying to survive being attacked
over and over again by the Narsicans and have gotten
to their wits end and get one of them, and
they're trying to protect themselves and all of which makes
sense to me.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, and then all of a sudden into the picture
comes this n Ex you know, Enterprise Starfleet command ship,
you know, laying down the law way out in space
where these phrases have been you know, hauling freight years
before we went out there on any kind of exploratory mission.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Weather grows up.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
On he grows up on a J class and you know,
and he has personal experience of you know, his of
his friend's family and being attacked by these people.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I was surprised that they didn't have any better weaponry.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Well they're not. They're not utterly defenseless, are they they.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
But they kind of have BB guns against rifle.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Against what the Norskans have got, which is why it's
so important that they get the codes from the Norsican
for upgrading their plating, I guess, to to defend themselves
against future attacks. I was surprised to hear.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
As often as it was said in the episode that
we're the first one out there and there are a
lot more.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Coming as I mean, Captain Archie, Yes, yeah, yeah, that
was yeah, I get used to us. Was that that
was to the Norsicans? I think, wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
No, it was to both. It was to both the
fortunate and the Narsicans that you know, we're this is
this is get used to this, that we're going to
be out there, which is interesting in terms of like
a theme, you know, somewhat that we're meant to kind
of be the cops.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I found that not irksome, but
certainly slightly eyebrow raising that were not really true and
not really true. No, but I guess you know, Captain Archer,
(16:51):
his role in the show has always been to stand
up for what what what we would consider to be
right and proper, and and then this instance, holding someone
hostage against their will, as it were, for some sort
of bargaining chip is now considered in human evolutionary politics,
(17:16):
you know, a no no, and it takes. I mean
that that gunfight in the in the cargo hold is
rather well shot. I thought, terrible em uh true, Well,
(17:38):
you know it has to go on a bit. You know,
we can't kill it all in one. You know, God
knows if it was left to Malcolm, he had have
been ricocheting off the You know. I love the fact
that those drums, I mean they are used in so
many episodes or so many seasons of so many shows
of this franchise. I mean they are extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Anytime there's a car go hold, Yeah, they're the drums
are there, The drums are there.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah. What did you think about the the decompression part?
I mean I should rather like it. I've forgotten the
eloquence of well, we're going to shoot a hole in
your in the in the actual in a cargo bay
freight hold, and then let you go off into space,
although it was rather well done and the CGI was
great yeah at that time.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So I'm pretty sure that's some kind of a starfleet felony.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Pretty sure stop section three paragraph four in the uh,
let me just get the book out.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I also thought it was interesting that they were asked
to It makes you wonder how how many of these
cargo ships and transports that were out there that that
this one particular one had put a discuss distress call
and therefore us the only ship out there of our
class around then goes to see what's going on. I
(19:10):
think that a little interesting that which made me think that, Yeah, okay,
I guess initially we were sort of thought of as
the space police.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, and there's that lovely scene between Ryan and Travis
is they're becoming friends once Ryan realizes that Travis is
kind of one of him, you know, comes from the
same space breed. And yet over that lunch, you know,
the disastrous lunch where he accuses him of jumping ship
(19:45):
and going to staffleet and deserting your tribe for a
you know, frankly a faster, well better paid way of life,
as it were. And I think Anthony he's very good
in the episode, by the way. He he holds the
camera nicely, and he's got a couple of button shots
where the camera just you know, LeVar sets the camera
(20:07):
on him and it's all there and the hurt, the
the guilt, maybe the the turmoil inside about well is
he is he does he have a leg to stand on?
Accusing me of that. Maybe did I didn't I yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Don't really know. Yeah, I thought that young man was
quite good.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
He's good, isn't he. I remember him being good. I
remember being quite jealous of how good he was.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
He he comes from the Michael Caine school of don't blink.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
He did.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I was watching this.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
He was like, his forehead was very calm. He was
very internalized. And that's that's sort of the key beans
to you know, working in front of the camera.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, it is Lauris Lawrence Monson. I didn't look him up.
I should have had to see if he's gone on
to do something else. In a good face too and strong.
He was perfectly. I tell you one thing that that
uh who was casting Run Run Ron He he he
(21:21):
got it right.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
You know a lot of the time and obviously you
know Rick and Branham would do the choosing, but and
or the director that week. But yeah, the people they
brought them, the right people in the room. Taylor Sheridan,
you know. He he even said of himself, he said,
(21:45):
you know, there comes a time if you haven't got
up the the call sheet ladder by, you know, your
fifth sixth year in the business. The chances are you're
probably not gonna you know, he was eleven. He was
an eleven. He was and that's that. I think we
may have told this story once before, but you know,
(22:05):
he asked for a raise on Sons of Anarchy and
that they came back to him and said, you're eleven
on the call sheet, and that's all you're ever going
to be. So no, and that's when he went off
and wrote Sacario and the rest is history. Yeah, God
bless him, but he said it himself. You know, I
that they they generally get it right in terms of,
(22:28):
you know, whether you got that job or not. And yeah,
I do, I do. I really really loved that.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Little scene where the kids are playing hide and seek
and and Paul walks up.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And opens the screen.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, sees the little girl and she's like and to
Paul closes it and the kid asks her a question,
have you seen.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Na?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
And she's which child is Nadia? And then the kid
runs away and she opens the screen and the girl
goes things and she goes, I was telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
It's lovely. It's beauty be written. It really is kind
of cute. Yeah, it's nicety shot too. What they call
that the kitchen the fridge shop, don't they when you
look when they opened the fridge and you look back
out through the fridge. Yeah, and you opened the door
and there's the kid looking back up to pull. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
In this episode of sort of the prime directive sense
in terms of Archer reminding Ryan of what our job
is out there, and you know, the morals and ethics
(23:48):
kind of come to fruition in describing what our role is.
And you know, he's like, I've got one more question
to ask you, YadA, YadA, YadA. You know, if there
was you know, how did the scene go ultimately saying
you know, we leave no one behind, this is our
(24:10):
job and.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Cut with the secrets. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And it's
nicely played that tension in this in the episode because
the audience written knows that there's something queer up, and
then they sense that Archer knows something's queer up, and
then it's uh confirmed by to Paul's you know a
(24:40):
little as Roulette finder and uh, I like that tension.
And it was because I have to say, ultimately, not
a lot happens in this episode. No, I know, I
was you know, we're going to talk about and uh,
(25:01):
it's but it does boil, it does simmer nicely and
and it comes.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
To a.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Good conclusion as it were. But yeah, there's there's there's.
I mean, there's there is. It's not a it's not
an action packed episode.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
But then no critique to anyone involved in the making
of the episode. I just don't think it was one
of our best.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
No, perhaps not. You know, it had it had a
theme that that was was worthy, but you know, hard
to to to sort of elbow, you know, punch out
and fleshed out. Yeah, the var he shoots well though.
I like the way he shoots, and uh, you know,
(25:51):
everyone gets their moment, and uh.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
You can always tell, you can always tell when Marvin
was engaged.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, as a director of photography, because.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
You know LeVar, you know he would come in having
done his work obviously, but he would say, you know,
all right, Marvin, what do you think?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
And Marvin would come in.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
With these ideas of bringing the crane in and moving
stuff around. You know, when you got when you got
Marvin engaged, you had you had the camera as a
character and when he wasn't engaged, the Los Angeles Times
was a character.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
The Prince nee. Yeah, yeah, God bless him, I know absolutely.
Uh what else did I want to say about it?
You know, I thought, I mean, as I say, that
fight scene was well done. We all looked pretty sharp
on our toes. And I liked the uh the reluctance
(26:57):
of the second crewmate that I think was played by
Dan and Golding who was the the other crewmate that
that clearly had reticence. And about this play of action
keeping the Norse and prisoner.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's quite a good scene between those two.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
It is a good scene. And uh, and they're good
in it together. And yeah, I liked that. Oh no, I.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Will say that this is probably the first episode where
I was like I got four days off.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, I mean like, yeah, it's true. I mean I
was still on the ship. Yeah you did. I wonder
what he did? I you know, I'm still I was.
I was looking at it. I was like, what damn.
Linda got her episode, Connor got his episode. Joe Lene's
had you know, she's just in it.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
You know, Archerly got you know, a girlfriend last week.
Where's where's Malcolm? And he's he's around, but he's uh,
you know, I've yet to you know. Yeah, Well, why
do you think, Well, just because I because I became
quickly ish became the action man where I would you know,
(28:21):
and I didn't mind that. I liked it a lot.
And as we've talked about it, you know, I got
in shape pretty quickly. Was I was never not in shape,
but I was. I got you know, back in shape
shape and was at that age. I mean, I'm thirty
eight pushing thirty nine by now. To be running around
(28:41):
you know, it sounds it's sout honestly at this age
keep my back teeth to have that thirty nine year
old body. But yeah, I've.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yet to have a storyline. Let's put it that I
and I think your credit as an actor. They thought
that you were just the Armory guy, and they had
to deal with the fact that you were as an
actor more than that. And I think yeah, and I
(29:17):
think that probably they had in their first they probably
had I don't know, ten episodes in the bank that
they knew that they were going to come out with,
and that was their idea. And he was was expand
on that because of what you brought to the table.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Oh bless you. That's sweet. And yeah, maybe I mean
maybe you, I mean, who knows. I could have yes,
in their in their overall sort of relative plan, I
might just have been the security officer that would you know,
come to the rescue every when they needed, you know,
(29:53):
him and his guns.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I'm going to jump over log.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah right, Sarah's just done the parkour. Oh sorry that
I'm giving it away now. She's just done the thumbnail
sketches and some.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Of the.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Little you know, vignettes for that episode that we did,
and one of it is buckle to say yeah. And
I looked at it again the other night. I was like, well,
that was pretty deft. I mean that was a steep
hill and I went up for two logs and didn't
(30:29):
break my ankle, So yeah, god bless uh what else?
It was good to see Vaughan again, see Vaughn uh.
And I like the fact that there was fritzing out
every now and again because we were so far out
in spots. Yeah, AND's amazing, Like you know, you you
(30:52):
you hang out with Vonn and he's kind of.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Like, you know, hey man, you know what's going on,
and he's very sore, of low key and like a
dead head uh yeah, energy about him. And then you know,
I did the reading with him of War of the
Worlds and he gets up there and.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
He's a he's a force, he's an aca y. Yeah. Yeah,
In fact, it is funny.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
We were in the wings waiting to go on, and
you know, I mean, my god, You've got You've got uh,
Johnny Phillips, You've got Bob Bacardo, You've got Casey Biggs,
you've got Jonathan Frakes, and all of those guys are
telling jokes and you know, yucking it up, and you
know they're the kind of guys who you know, like YadA, YadA, YadA,
(31:39):
time to go on, go on. Well, Vaughn is sitting
there going like thirteen minutes, fellas thirteen minutes, five minutes,
fellas five minutes.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Maybe we should just separate and regroups personally. Yeah, no,
it's funny.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I know, he's he's an actor's actor Vaughn and uh,
it's always nice to see him. I would have I
would have, you know, I would have thought in the first,
having seen the first several episodes of this show, that
we would have seen more of Vaughn, but we really didn't.
I mean, he he he's They had him sit back
and except for the by god, the Mirror Mirror episodes
(32:23):
were a.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Great he was great.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
And I am right in this and then I'm terrible.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Uh what else? Yeah, I liked. Uh. You know, Anthony's
struggle was was was well done. And you know that
scene he has when he's talking to the norseicns on
the bridge, it's never an easy scene. You don't quite
(32:57):
know where to put your eyes and you you're basically
talking in your head. And I wondered about that, whether
he might have addressed some of those lines directly to
the captain and engaged him with his thinking and reasoning.
It's a it's a it's a tough one that because
(33:17):
it was scenes like that that we never kind of
got direction. No one ever said to us, well, you know,
you could actually, you know, rather than just wandering around
in a circle in your in your holosphere of you know,
talking to the alien, you could actually you know, address
people you know sitting next to you on the ship
(33:39):
on the bridge and bring them into it. But but
other than that, I thought it would He did a
good job.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I remember I have a scene with him in Engineering
where we start at one place and I have to
end my line at one of my stations I just
remember having to do that so so many times, and
you had to make sure that you're timing is right,
that you got to, you know, the end mark where
you were supposed to, and that takes a It sounds simple,
(34:10):
but it's actually not. I mean I remember sometimes counting
backwards the steps that I was taking to get to
start mark and.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Like a like a three, like a hot skip and
a jump runner.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Because really, you know, it's really up to you. They
tell you that you've got to be here at the end,
and then you got to go hang on a second, one, two, three,
four five. I got to be here by here. I
got to be here by here, and I got to
be here at the end. Yeah, and make it look
kind of seamless. It's it's easy.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I had one big scene with Jim Conway when he
came back to direct an episode, and we're me and
to Paul are walking through wreckage and it was a
long corridor wreckage, stepping over, burning in a blanks and
blah blah. And I had a monologue of a speech
(35:06):
and thought I nailed it the first take and went,
oh my god, we came up. Gym came up to me.
And went so dominic, it's great. What I'd love for
you is on this, I want you stepping over that
that that one, on this, I want you to look
over there for that twelve lines mate exactly. You know,
(35:32):
are you lucky? It all came out the same way
and I got to the end at the end. But yeah,
it was certainly it's you know, it's the multi what's
that when you go to the gym and you do
multi you know part God, I hate it when my
(35:55):
mind leaves me like this at the moment, at this age, I.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Really multiple exercises multiple, you know, they call it multi
gym or something. When you do you know, circuit circuit exactly,
it's like doing the circuit gym and uh, and yet
and yet you've got a soliloquy you've got to finish
on the pull up bars.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, in uh, in association with what
you're saying, I think that I was. I was looking
at one of the scenes where archers on the bridge.
I've had this thought that, I mean, kind of how
remarkable of a of a skill set, within the craft
(36:36):
of it all that you get these nine pages the
night before and you've got to evoke a seamlessness in
something that you've done twice. And you know, one thing
Scott was incredible at that.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
He really was. It was a seasoned, seasoned that And yeah,
I was listening to Jesse Eisenberg talking about directing a
real pain just now the film he wrote, and they've
got quite a lot of accolade. He apparently there was
(37:17):
there was a big five page day on the train
with Kieren mcculkin coming to set and apparently Kieren said
to him as he reasonly showed up, Hey, Hi, so
what are we doing today? See Eisenberg's you know, he's
woody Allen anxious.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
Yeah, he goes, not exactly what the director wants to hear.
First thing in the morning. He said, well, we're doing
the train scene and you've got quite a lot to say.
And Kieran goes, oh, yeah, the train scene.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
I remember that. Yeah, I liked it. I liked it
a lot. And he said, he said, do you have
the sides by now? Eisenberg's going yeah, And apparently Karen
mcalchulm reads them once twice and he's word perfect.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
I heard him interviewed and he was talking about working
with Brian.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Cox on what was that show they did, Oh was Succession? Yeah? Question?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
And you know, he's like, look, I've been doing this
since I was a child, and for whatever reason, I
can I learned lines immediately. And and then so they
come up to him during Succession they were like, you know,
we've got to do this scene. He was like, well,
it's done on the call shoot. I didn't know that,
and they were like, yeah, well we're doing and it was.
He had a lot to say in that as well,
(38:41):
and he was like okay. And then Brian Cox hears
all of this, and he's off to the side and
Brian Cox is is dutifully and studiously looking at his
lines and you know, making sure he's got it all down.
And and Karen comes in and and just nails it
first off, and Brian Cox is like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, our muscle and my muscle got better without a doubt.
And uh. And the fact that they wanted us, as
we call it d LP, dead letter Perfect was you know,
it was was a part of the multi gym that
was actually quite helpful in a way that you know, Okay,
(39:27):
you wanted dead letter perfect, I'll show you and uh,
and Scott remember Scott telling me he said, just treat
it like a like a like an exercise dom and uh,
and it helped enormously. I have to say that the
muscles a little rustier, a little flabbier than it was
all those years ago. It takes constant to but I
(39:49):
still don't have too much trouble putting a scene in
my head, especially if it's well enough written. The toughest
ones we ever was if I ever auditioned for Charmed,
and I did a lot, never got it. You know,
these characters would just say random I mean, I mean,
(40:12):
the one line would never follow reasonably in your head
with any motivation. Why you would say that to that?
It was just expositional, And you know they're moving the
plot along and you just had to remember it and yeah,
that was just parrot fashion wrote remembered. It's easier when
it's when you've got some sort of you know, something
(40:36):
coursing through your veins that lets that leads you to
believe why you would say that right when you can
internalize it. Yeah, but Scott was, he was amazing at
that and yeah, yeah, again we waxed the ricle about him.
He's such a charming, lovely bloke. Well to wrap it
(40:57):
up a little bit. This is the final scene with
the captain played by uh, what's his name, Kieran mulroney.
I quite like that scene at the end, trying to
get the captain to have a glass of what's the
whiskey Nabibian whiskey or something? Right right? Yeah? And I
(41:21):
know it's such a such a stiff, isn't hear? Yeah,
he's sit down and have a drink for crying out loud? Right?
It was nice? Yeah, you know, how do I put this?
It was a good episode.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
It feels like it was an episode that, in hindsight
sort of filled our twenty six Yeah, didn't, didn't didn't
move the needle forward necessary.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
And as you said, the screenwriter was who James Duff.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
James Duff could have had this script potentially for us,
for Voyager, for yeah nine. You could have slapped any
one of those.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Pass into it. You could have it fitted ours in
some much. We were, you know, pioneers out there and
encroaching somewhat on already trodden paths by these freighter crews
that you know, didn't you know, we don't want your help,
you know, back off? I mean, in that way, it
(42:32):
was uniquely libertarian American if you will, Yeah, you know,
I mean really, you know, we don't want that, we
don't need the government starfleet out here. We'll sort this
out with on our own, in our own terms.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
And as opposed to like say, introducing Neandorians, like we
never really saw the Narsicans again or much, I don't
think so.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
No.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
So, you know, this this episode in a sort of
chronology of what we were doing in the very beginning,
it just seems a bit sort of outside the line.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Well it might be that I got this sense that
it was truly inspired by events that had happened twenty
days before. Yeah, literally, and they would have been writing, well,
what's the episode we write that deals with this emotion revenge?
Right away? With that, because we you know, obviously season
(43:27):
three became our you know, homage to nine to eleven
and in the big picture, but immediately speaking, this I
think was the episode. I would suggest that they, you know,
what are we going to say about this?
Speaker 2 (43:42):
And I would agree, yeah, which.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Which in that respect, if it was written that quickly
for those purposes as an immediate reaction, not bad at all.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, No, not bad in any rate, And to your point,
not bad in regard to what we had just experienced.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
You know, it may be.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
It may be the first time where you know, the
shift occurs where you know, nine to eleven had such
an impact on our show that you can't you can't
not think of our show without nine to eleven in
the way that we wound up telling our stories. And
this is possibly could be one of the first ones
that sort of shifts into that mode.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, without a doubt. And we have some.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Powerhouse guests coming up in the near future. Thank you
to uh Dominic right here for for curing.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
I have I've been chasing, yeah bless Yeah, some some
real biggies. So I hope everyone's going to get very
excited about that when they starts to when we start
to let that out, and uh, you know, one in
particular is well, they're both brilliant. I mean, they're both
(45:03):
connected to the show in their various ways. It's as
much as we can say exactly right, but you're going
to really enjoy and I hope we really enjoy their company.
They're they're they're both very very fun fellas there we are.
That's as much as you know, they're both blokes, all right, Well, listen.
(45:27):
Thanks so much for watching, and we really value your
support and as you know, we need it, so please,
if you can find it in your heart and pocketbook
to a supporter us on Patreon. We really need that help.
Every penny counts, it does, so until then, no, no,
no new.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
See yas comos. It's almost.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
In Commo. It's commis
Our wonderful executive producer, mister Dave Tabb is in the
house today. God bless him. Thank you, Dave, Thank you
very much.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hey everyone, Connor here, We just want to take a
moment to thank you so very much for tuning in
and being a part of the Decon Chamber family. Your
support keeps us going and we couldn't do this without you.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And if you love what we do and want to
help us even more, please consider joining us on Patreon.
You'll get exclusive perks, behind the scenes content, and even
opportunities to chat with us directly.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And don't forget to check out are awesome mergh because
who doesn't want to wrap their favorite podcast in style?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Baby? Every little bit helps, I promise you, and we're
really very very grateful for all of you who make
this show possible. So thanks for being there and please
enjoy this episode of the Decon Chamber.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
This show has been done.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We've come.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It's the.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, Trekky's and trekkers. Welcome
back to another watch party episode of the Decon Chamber.
I'm your co host, dominic Keating, joined as always by
my bestie here in the States, actually it's becoming a
world event. The Connisanaire is in the house here, good
(01:31):
to see you man. This week they were all on
the cruise without me again.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You're there next year finally, Yeah, I tell you, I'll
tell you a little aside. This boat, the ship was
was going into dry dock after this particular voyage because it.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Needed some work. Oh did, Yeah, it was leaking a
little bit, a little bit, a little bit. Well, this
is episode ten as the Numbers go Fortunate Son, which
was I don't mean this rudely, but I'd sort of
(02:11):
forgotten that this is an Anthony Montgomery episode, really really yeah.
Directed by LeVar Burton and written by James Duff, who
we've just been advised is quite prolific in the Star
Trek world. Has been a showrunner of other shows and
(02:32):
a TV writer and showrunner for other stuff. I don't
remember him being on the writing staff, but he miss
maybe been a script that he had proposed for other
Star Trek you know, shows that didn't make it. But
it's certainly one that made it for us. And directed
(02:55):
by LeVar I think, I said, and it's I think
it's LaVar's second episode then, because he did teran nova
what else. So it's starring guest starring Lawrence Munson as
Matthew Ryan, who is the becomes the sort of you
know how to describe it.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I got a secret mutineer, I got a secret, Yeah,
and Kieran mulroney who is Captain Keene and they're running.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Freight on the what's the name of their ship? Is
that the Fortunes? I guess yeah, yes. And one of
the trials and tribulations of running freight, as Anthony will
testify as Travis Mayweather, are attacks fairly consistently from a
(03:47):
group of pirates called the Norsicans, who are a fearful
looking bunch and terrible. Yeah. I mean that was again
again with the makeup department. I mean they did an
amazing job. I mean the you know, they look amazing,
I mean the sort of the board tooth coming out
(04:11):
of each side. I wondered if this episode was not
a direct result because it comes directly after nine to eleven,
and there's one scene in particular that Travis has with
the captain in the ready room about how to behave
(04:34):
when attacked unprovoked and what a human art, the human
action and reaction should be as opposed to what it
is being and I and it talks about revenge. And
this was literally months after nine to eleven, and you
know how what all our Knee Jr. Reactions at that
(04:56):
time were all about, you know, well that is just
a lion in the sand too far, you know, yeah,
I know, I mean we all felt it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I added too, And that's that's not typically the way
I feel.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
No, it isn't and it's certainly not the tenant with
which you were brought up as a Quaker. But we
all did, you know, we all quickly went to you
know that is you know, okay, now you want to
have it, and we all got a bit yeah. And
(05:33):
this was definitely, I feel like a very good sort
of you know, redressing of the balance of of how
we might be feeling. Yeah, couched in a.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
In a time honored film and TV theme which is pirates.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Pirates, Yeah, no kidding. So there's one there's one thing
that was pointed out and I forget who was in
that opening scene on The Fortune with Ryan and the
captain playing ball across the cargo pit. Apparently the bull's
spinning the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I was looking. I was looking very closely and it's not.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Oh it's not.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
No.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Oh okay, well I'll take your word for it.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I forget who we were talking to. But they said
that they didn't alter. Maybe I thought it might have been.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I thought it was spinning clockwise. It's not. It is
spinning anti clockwise.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, it's going that way, and for a right hander,
that's what it does. Because I looked at it very keenly,
because I forget who said.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
This to us.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, they had said that they didn't They had the
one cgi, I guess, and then they didn't alter it
for the rotation going the other direction, right right, it was.
I looked at it closely. I was like, this is
that episode?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
But it looked correct? All right? Good, all right?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Well then neither one of them could throw a football
to save their lives, though.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You can tell that, you can always tell, You can
always tell. Can you always tell if somebody played football
or baseball?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
All right? Basketball? Right? All right? I have to say
in that because I played neither. Whenever I pick up
a basketball in the gym wherever I go to and
there happens to be a basketball, or I've got a
friend of mine who's got kids with a basketball thing outside.
It's not easy the throwing action. I know, the bouncing,
I love the bouncing. I can get it through the
(07:34):
legs and everything, but when it comes to the you know,
the pitch of it, it's not easy. Takes time, it
really isn't. I mean, it's it's a special skill to
hold that steady and get the height.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Away, just like any It's just like golf. It's the
same way every time. For a standard shot, you do
it the same way every time. Of course, your circumstance
has changed, but like your your your free set jump
shot should always look the same.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Everything always looked the same.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And you know, let's let's uh, let's take a moment
to appreciate the fact that Lebron James eclipsed fifty thousand
points last night. Only man in the NBA two have
ever done that, and probably the only one who will do.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You think, so I do? What the number underneath him is?
What is it? Was it? Oh? Well, he passed, he passed,
He broke his record. This this is him breaking his record,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
This is this is a record that no one's ever touched.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
One's a touch.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Kareem's all time scoring. That was last year or the
year before.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Even so now he's in uncharted territory. We've gone off
base and bring it, bring again. Well, tell me about
the Chris before we get into the episode. Tell me
a bit about the cruise. Did you miss me? I did?
I did? You were missed? You were?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
You were talked about? Your ears must have been ringing.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Oh, bless well. I I thought of you a lot.
And uh it was a quiet week in a way here.
Quite nice to have a week off and uh get
some things done around the house and uh, but yeah,
I it was fun.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
It was It's a you know, I've I've done a
number of these and they're all similar to an extent.
We did a reading of War of the Worlds U.
John Delancy. That was that was a lot of fun
and well received. And my interviews of Roxanne, Robbie and
(09:41):
Chase where they people people really like just to sit
down interview right. Uh was there any drama?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Whatd you do Roxanne? That rings and it gets in
my ear.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
We'd have to zoom her. They moved to Nebraska, Yes,
I do know that.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, so it would be a zoom call. What did
you did you Oscar. Was she a.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Minimal Yeah, yeah, I mean she's she's really trying to
take some time off. She was in Europe for four
years directing whose I forget what, but but she'd been
quite busy, so you know we.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Should reach out. I'll reach out to her and what
we can do. What else?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Uh, let's see.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
We had Jerry for the first half and then Kate
for the second half. I don't think that was uh,
I think that Dave made up.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think, yes, I believe, Yeah, yeah, a little odd.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Robbie was there for half because he had to go
back and finish the last episode of Resident Alien, which
is ending uh this year. Spend a lot of time
with Franks and uh, Denise and Nanaan Matthew, and that's
sort of our little coterie of uh tequila drinkers.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
It was good fun. Yeah, so but it was nice.
It was you know, it's tiring. Yeah, No, it's a
it's not a it's not a it's not a free week,
that's for sure. Yeah. And then the extra hours as
it were, certainly you know, play on top, did you
play Hollywood Squares or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
No, I was not a part of Hollywood Squares. I mean,
I was, you know, you've only got it's kind of
like one thing a day that you have to do,
or sometimes do a couple of days off I was.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I was loaded in the back end. I did not
do the Hollywood Squares or the.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Gong Show because of those three separate interviews. I think
I hosted period. Those interviews they're an hour. They should
be an hour and a half, but they're an hour.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
All right.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, it sounds all right on board ship, very well attended,
and yeah, you know, it's it's a it's it's a
fun week. It's it's my favorite way to have a convention.
Everybody gets to calm down a little bit after a
day and the people aren't running around and rushing to
(12:14):
get there was autographed and they're not rushing around and
say hi and make sure they see all of the
panels because you've got you know, seven days.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Right, all right, Well, I've lad had a good time.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And you'll be happy because the ports of call next
year are I think much more interesting, are the Dominican
and Puerto Rico, which I've never.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Con called it one. Oh excellent. Yeah, I've got an
old old friend she had the ground floor flats in
the building that I am a flat in London. Jane Ransom,
who was a she was a nurse back then she moved.
She married a French boy and moved to the Dominican
Republic and had three kids. So I shall look her up.
(12:58):
I'm seeing her in Gosh. They came here for a
visit before moving to the Dominican Republic en route, and
that was twenty years ago. So here we go.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
That the Dominican Republic splits an island with Haiti. Yes, amazing, radically,
it's extraordinary. I mean, Haiti is a failed state right now.
You know why, partly partly because the French cut all
of their lumber down.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yes, they didn't win their land, yeah yeah yeah the French.
Yeah good colonialists. Yeah, British would leave your forest. Really
not really, We certainly deal with pirates, which brings us
(13:52):
promptly back to the Norsicans. So I mean, what do
you feel about this? I mean, how does yours sort
of how does it rub with you that that they
capture a Norsican pirate and keep him hostage to get
the codes to hopefully protect their ship against the next
Norsican attack. I mean I have to say, I didn't
(14:15):
feel too bad about it. What's that I didn't feel
too bad about it?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
No, I mean, you know, look, it makes good It
makes good drama.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Uh, this little cargo ship trying to survive being attacked
over and over again by the Narsicans and have gotten
to their wits end and get one of them, and
they're trying to protect themselves and all of which makes
sense to me.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, and then all of a sudden into the picture
comes this n Ex you know, Enterprise Starfleet command ship,
you know, laying down the law way out in space
where these phrases have been you know, hauling freight years
before we went out there on any kind of exploratory mission.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Weather grows up.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
On he grows up on a J class and you know,
and he has personal experience of you know, his of
his friend's family and being attacked by these people.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I was surprised that they didn't have any better weaponry.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Well they're not. They're not utterly defenseless, are they they.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
But they kind of have BB guns against rifle.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Against what the Norskans have got, which is why it's
so important that they get the codes from the Norsican
for upgrading their plating, I guess, to to defend themselves
against future attacks. I was surprised to hear.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
As often as it was said in the episode that
we're the first one out there and there are a
lot more.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Coming as I mean, Captain Archie, Yes, yeah, yeah, that
was yeah, I get used to us. Was that that
was to the Norsicans? I think, wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
No, it was to both. It was to both the
fortunate and the Narsicans that you know, we're this is
this is get used to this, that we're going to
be out there, which is interesting in terms of like
a theme, you know, somewhat that we're meant to kind
of be the cops.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I found that not irksome, but
certainly slightly eyebrow raising that were not really true and
not really true. No, but I guess you know, Captain Archer,
(16:51):
his role in the show has always been to stand
up for what what what we would consider to be
right and proper, and and then this instance, holding someone
hostage against their will, as it were, for some sort
of bargaining chip is now considered in human evolutionary politics,
(17:16):
you know, a no no, and it takes. I mean
that that gunfight in the in the cargo hold is
rather well shot. I thought, terrible em uh true, Well,
(17:38):
you know it has to go on a bit. You know,
we can't kill it all in one. You know, God
knows if it was left to Malcolm, he had have
been ricocheting off the You know. I love the fact
that those drums, I mean they are used in so
many episodes or so many seasons of so many shows
of this franchise. I mean they are extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Anytime there's a car go hold, Yeah, they're the drums
are there, The drums are there.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah. What did you think about the the decompression part?
I mean I should rather like it. I've forgotten the
eloquence of well, we're going to shoot a hole in
your in the in the actual in a cargo bay
freight hold, and then let you go off into space,
although it was rather well done and the CGI was
great yeah at that time.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So I'm pretty sure that's some kind of a starfleet felony.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Pretty sure stop section three paragraph four in the uh,
let me just get the book out.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I also thought it was interesting that they were asked
to It makes you wonder how how many of these
cargo ships and transports that were out there that that
this one particular one had put a discuss distress call
and therefore us the only ship out there of our
class around then goes to see what's going on. I
(19:10):
think that a little interesting that which made me think that, Yeah, okay,
I guess initially we were sort of thought of as
the space police.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, and there's that lovely scene between Ryan and Travis
is they're becoming friends once Ryan realizes that Travis is
kind of one of him, you know, comes from the
same space breed. And yet over that lunch, you know,
the disastrous lunch where he accuses him of jumping ship
(19:45):
and going to staffleet and deserting your tribe for a
you know, frankly a faster, well better paid way of life,
as it were. And I think Anthony he's very good
in the episode, by the way. He he holds the
camera nicely, and he's got a couple of button shots
where the camera just you know, LeVar sets the camera
(20:07):
on him and it's all there and the hurt, the
the guilt, maybe the the turmoil inside about well is
he is he does he have a leg to stand on?
Accusing me of that. Maybe did I didn't I yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Don't really know. Yeah, I thought that young man was
quite good.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
He's good, isn't he. I remember him being good. I
remember being quite jealous of how good he was.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
He he comes from the Michael Caine school of don't blink.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
He did.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I was watching this.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
He was like, his forehead was very calm. He was
very internalized. And that's that's sort of the key beans
to you know, working in front of the camera.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, it is Lauris Lawrence Monson. I didn't look him up.
I should have had to see if he's gone on
to do something else. In a good face too and strong.
He was perfectly. I tell you one thing that that
uh who was casting Run Run Ron He he he
(21:21):
got it right.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
You know a lot of the time and obviously you
know Rick and Branham would do the choosing, but and
or the director that week. But yeah, the people they
brought them, the right people in the room. Taylor Sheridan,
you know. He he even said of himself, he said,
(21:45):
you know, there comes a time if you haven't got
up the the call sheet ladder by, you know, your
fifth sixth year in the business. The chances are you're
probably not gonna you know, he was eleven. He was
an eleven. He was and that's that. I think we
may have told this story once before, but you know,
(22:05):
he asked for a raise on Sons of Anarchy and
that they came back to him and said, you're eleven
on the call sheet, and that's all you're ever going
to be. So no, and that's when he went off
and wrote Sacario and the rest is history. Yeah, God
bless him, but he said it himself. You know, I
that they they generally get it right in terms of,
(22:28):
you know, whether you got that job or not. And yeah,
I do, I do. I really really loved that.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Little scene where the kids are playing hide and seek
and and Paul walks up.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And opens the screen.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, sees the little girl and she's like and to
Paul closes it and the kid asks her a question,
have you seen.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Na?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
And she's which child is Nadia? And then the kid
runs away and she opens the screen and the girl
goes things and she goes, I was telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
It's lovely. It's beauty be written. It really is kind
of cute. Yeah, it's nicety shot too. What they call
that the kitchen the fridge shop, don't they when you
look when they opened the fridge and you look back
out through the fridge. Yeah, and you opened the door
and there's the kid looking back up to pull. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
In this episode of sort of the prime directive sense
in terms of Archer reminding Ryan of what our job
is out there, and you know, the morals and ethics
(23:48):
kind of come to fruition in describing what our role is.
And you know, he's like, I've got one more question
to ask you, YadA, YadA, YadA. You know, if there
was you know, how did the scene go ultimately saying
you know, we leave no one behind, this is our
(24:10):
job and.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Cut with the secrets. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And it's
nicely played that tension in this in the episode because
the audience written knows that there's something queer up, and
then they sense that Archer knows something's queer up, and
then it's uh confirmed by to Paul's you know a
(24:40):
little as Roulette finder and uh, I like that tension.
And it was because I have to say, ultimately, not
a lot happens in this episode. No, I know, I
was you know, we're going to talk about and uh,
(25:01):
it's but it does boil, it does simmer nicely and
and it comes.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
To a.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Good conclusion as it were. But yeah, there's there's there's.
I mean, there's there is. It's not a it's not
an action packed episode.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
But then no critique to anyone involved in the making
of the episode. I just don't think it was one
of our best.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
No, perhaps not. You know, it had it had a
theme that that was was worthy, but you know, hard
to to to sort of elbow, you know, punch out
and fleshed out. Yeah, the var he shoots well though.
I like the way he shoots, and uh, you know,
(25:51):
everyone gets their moment, and uh.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
You can always tell, you can always tell when Marvin
was engaged.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, as a director of photography, because.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
You know LeVar, you know he would come in having
done his work obviously, but he would say, you know,
all right, Marvin, what do you think?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
And Marvin would come in.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
With these ideas of bringing the crane in and moving
stuff around. You know, when you got when you got
Marvin engaged, you had you had the camera as a
character and when he wasn't engaged, the Los Angeles Times
was a character.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
The Prince nee. Yeah, yeah, God bless him, I know absolutely.
Uh what else did I want to say about it?
You know, I thought, I mean, as I say, that
fight scene was well done. We all looked pretty sharp
on our toes. And I liked the uh the reluctance
(26:57):
of the second crewmate that I think was played by
Dan and Golding who was the the other crewmate that
that clearly had reticence. And about this play of action
keeping the Norse and prisoner.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's quite a good scene between those two.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
It is a good scene. And uh, and they're good
in it together. And yeah, I liked that. Oh no, I.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Will say that this is probably the first episode where
I was like I got four days off.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, I mean like, yeah, it's true. I mean I
was still on the ship. Yeah you did. I wonder
what he did? I you know, I'm still I was.
I was looking at it. I was like, what damn.
Linda got her episode, Connor got his episode. Joe Lene's
had you know, she's just in it.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
You know, Archerly got you know, a girlfriend last week.
Where's where's Malcolm? And he's he's around, but he's uh,
you know, I've yet to you know. Yeah, Well, why
do you think, Well, just because I because I became
quickly ish became the action man where I would you know,
(28:21):
and I didn't mind that. I liked it a lot.
And as we've talked about it, you know, I got
in shape pretty quickly. Was I was never not in shape,
but I was. I got you know, back in shape
shape and was at that age. I mean, I'm thirty
eight pushing thirty nine by now. To be running around
(28:41):
you know, it sounds it's sout honestly at this age
keep my back teeth to have that thirty nine year
old body. But yeah, I've.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yet to have a storyline. Let's put it that I
and I think your credit as an actor. They thought
that you were just the Armory guy, and they had
to deal with the fact that you were as an
actor more than that. And I think yeah, and I
(29:17):
think that probably they had in their first they probably
had I don't know, ten episodes in the bank that
they knew that they were going to come out with,
and that was their idea. And he was was expand
on that because of what you brought to the table.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Oh bless you. That's sweet. And yeah, maybe I mean
maybe you, I mean, who knows. I could have yes,
in their in their overall sort of relative plan, I
might just have been the security officer that would you know,
come to the rescue every when they needed, you know,
(29:53):
him and his guns.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I'm going to jump over log.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah right, Sarah's just done the parkour. Oh sorry that
I'm giving it away now. She's just done the thumbnail
sketches and some.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Of the.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Little you know, vignettes for that episode that we did,
and one of it is buckle to say yeah. And
I looked at it again the other night. I was like, well,
that was pretty deft. I mean that was a steep
hill and I went up for two logs and didn't
(30:29):
break my ankle, So yeah, god bless uh what else?
It was good to see Vaughan again, see Vaughn uh.
And I like the fact that there was fritzing out
every now and again because we were so far out
in spots. Yeah, AND's amazing, Like you know, you you
(30:52):
you hang out with Vonn and he's kind of.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Like, you know, hey man, you know what's going on,
and he's very sore, of low key and like a
dead head uh yeah, energy about him. And then you know,
I did the reading with him of War of the
Worlds and he gets up there and.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
He's a he's a force, he's an aca y. Yeah. Yeah,
In fact, it is funny.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
We were in the wings waiting to go on, and
you know, I mean, my god, You've got You've got uh,
Johnny Phillips, You've got Bob Bacardo, You've got Casey Biggs,
you've got Jonathan Frakes, and all of those guys are
telling jokes and you know, yucking it up, and you
know they're the kind of guys who you know, like YadA, YadA, YadA,
(31:39):
time to go on, go on. Well, Vaughn is sitting
there going like thirteen minutes, fellas thirteen minutes, five minutes,
fellas five minutes.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Maybe we should just separate and regroups personally. Yeah, no,
it's funny.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I know, he's he's an actor's actor Vaughn and uh,
it's always nice to see him. I would have I
would have, you know, I would have thought in the first,
having seen the first several episodes of this show, that
we would have seen more of Vaughn, but we really didn't.
I mean, he he he's They had him sit back
and except for the by god, the Mirror Mirror episodes
(32:23):
were a.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Great he was great.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
And I am right in this and then I'm terrible.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Uh what else? Yeah, I liked. Uh. You know, Anthony's
struggle was was was well done. And you know that
scene he has when he's talking to the norseicns on
the bridge, it's never an easy scene. You don't quite
(32:57):
know where to put your eyes and you you're basically
talking in your head. And I wondered about that, whether
he might have addressed some of those lines directly to
the captain and engaged him with his thinking and reasoning.
It's a it's a it's a tough one that because
(33:17):
it was scenes like that that we never kind of
got direction. No one ever said to us, well, you know,
you could actually, you know, rather than just wandering around
in a circle in your in your holosphere of you know,
talking to the alien, you could actually you know, address
people you know sitting next to you on the ship
(33:39):
on the bridge and bring them into it. But but
other than that, I thought it would He did a
good job.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I remember I have a scene with him in Engineering
where we start at one place and I have to
end my line at one of my stations I just
remember having to do that so so many times, and
you had to make sure that you're timing is right,
that you got to, you know, the end mark where
you were supposed to, and that takes a It sounds simple,
(34:10):
but it's actually not. I mean I remember sometimes counting
backwards the steps that I was taking to get to
start mark and.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Like a like a three, like a hot skip and
a jump runner.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Because really, you know, it's really up to you. They
tell you that you've got to be here at the end,
and then you got to go hang on a second, one, two, three,
four five. I got to be here by here. I
got to be here by here, and I got to
be here at the end. Yeah, and make it look
kind of seamless. It's it's easy.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I had one big scene with Jim Conway when he
came back to direct an episode, and we're me and
to Paul are walking through wreckage and it was a
long corridor wreckage, stepping over, burning in a blanks and
blah blah. And I had a monologue of a speech
(35:06):
and thought I nailed it the first take and went,
oh my god, we came up. Gym came up to me.
And went so dominic, it's great. What I'd love for
you is on this, I want you stepping over that
that that one, on this, I want you to look
over there for that twelve lines mate exactly. You know,
(35:32):
are you lucky? It all came out the same way
and I got to the end at the end. But yeah,
it was certainly it's you know, it's the multi what's
that when you go to the gym and you do
multi you know part God, I hate it when my
(35:55):
mind leaves me like this at the moment, at this age, I.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Really multiple exercises multiple, you know, they call it multi
gym or something. When you do you know, circuit circuit exactly,
it's like doing the circuit gym and uh, and yet
and yet you've got a soliloquy you've got to finish
on the pull up bars.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, in uh, in association with what
you're saying, I think that I was. I was looking
at one of the scenes where archers on the bridge.
I've had this thought that, I mean, kind of how
remarkable of a of a skill set, within the craft
(36:36):
of it all that you get these nine pages the
night before and you've got to evoke a seamlessness in
something that you've done twice. And you know, one thing
Scott was incredible at that.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
He really was. It was a seasoned, seasoned that And yeah,
I was listening to Jesse Eisenberg talking about directing a
real pain just now the film he wrote, and they've
got quite a lot of accolade. He apparently there was
(37:17):
there was a big five page day on the train
with Kieren mcculkin coming to set and apparently Kieren said
to him as he reasonly showed up, Hey, Hi, so
what are we doing today? See Eisenberg's you know, he's
woody Allen anxious.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
Yeah, he goes, not exactly what the director wants to hear.
First thing in the morning. He said, well, we're doing
the train scene and you've got quite a lot to say.
And Kieran goes, oh, yeah, the train scene.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
I remember that. Yeah, I liked it. I liked it
a lot. And he said, he said, do you have
the sides by now? Eisenberg's going yeah, And apparently Karen
mcalchulm reads them once twice and he's word perfect.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
I heard him interviewed and he was talking about working
with Brian.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Cox on what was that show they did, Oh was Succession? Yeah? Question?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
And you know, he's like, look, I've been doing this
since I was a child, and for whatever reason, I
can I learned lines immediately. And and then so they
come up to him during Succession they were like, you know,
we've got to do this scene. He was like, well,
it's done on the call shoot. I didn't know that,
and they were like, yeah, well we're doing and it was.
He had a lot to say in that as well,
(38:41):
and he was like okay. And then Brian Cox hears
all of this, and he's off to the side and
Brian Cox is is dutifully and studiously looking at his
lines and you know, making sure he's got it all down.
And and Karen comes in and and just nails it
first off, and Brian Cox is like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, our muscle and my muscle got better without a doubt.
And uh. And the fact that they wanted us, as
we call it d LP, dead letter Perfect was you know,
it was was a part of the multi gym that
was actually quite helpful in a way that you know, Okay,
(39:27):
you wanted dead letter perfect, I'll show you and uh,
and Scott remember Scott telling me he said, just treat
it like a like a like an exercise dom and uh,
and it helped enormously. I have to say that the
muscles a little rustier, a little flabbier than it was
all those years ago. It takes constant to but I
(39:49):
still don't have too much trouble putting a scene in
my head, especially if it's well enough written. The toughest
ones we ever was if I ever auditioned for Charmed,
and I did a lot, never got it. You know,
these characters would just say random I mean, I mean,
(40:12):
the one line would never follow reasonably in your head
with any motivation. Why you would say that to that?
It was just expositional, And you know they're moving the
plot along and you just had to remember it and yeah,
that was just parrot fashion wrote remembered. It's easier when
it's when you've got some sort of you know, something
(40:36):
coursing through your veins that lets that leads you to
believe why you would say that right when you can
internalize it. Yeah, but Scott was, he was amazing at
that and yeah, yeah, again we waxed the ricle about him.
He's such a charming, lovely bloke. Well to wrap it
(40:57):
up a little bit. This is the final scene with
the captain played by uh, what's his name, Kieran mulroney.
I quite like that scene at the end, trying to
get the captain to have a glass of what's the
whiskey Nabibian whiskey or something? Right right? Yeah? And I
(41:21):
know it's such a such a stiff, isn't hear? Yeah,
he's sit down and have a drink for crying out loud? Right?
It was nice? Yeah, you know, how do I put this?
It was a good episode.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
It feels like it was an episode that, in hindsight
sort of filled our twenty six Yeah, didn't, didn't didn't
move the needle forward necessary.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
And as you said, the screenwriter was who James Duff.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
James Duff could have had this script potentially for us,
for Voyager, for yeah nine. You could have slapped any
one of those.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Pass into it. You could have it fitted ours in
some much. We were, you know, pioneers out there and
encroaching somewhat on already trodden paths by these freighter crews
that you know, didn't you know, we don't want your help,
you know, back off? I mean, in that way, it
(42:32):
was uniquely libertarian American if you will, Yeah, you know,
I mean really, you know, we don't want that, we
don't need the government starfleet out here. We'll sort this
out with on our own, in our own terms.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
And as opposed to like say, introducing Neandorians, like we
never really saw the Narsicans again or much, I don't
think so.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
No.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
So, you know, this this episode in a sort of
chronology of what we were doing in the very beginning,
it just seems a bit sort of outside the line.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Well it might be that I got this sense that
it was truly inspired by events that had happened twenty
days before. Yeah, literally, and they would have been writing, well,
what's the episode we write that deals with this emotion revenge?
Right away? With that, because we you know, obviously season
(43:27):
three became our you know, homage to nine to eleven
and in the big picture, but immediately speaking, this I
think was the episode. I would suggest that they, you know,
what are we going to say about this?
Speaker 2 (43:42):
And I would agree, yeah, which.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Which in that respect, if it was written that quickly
for those purposes as an immediate reaction, not bad at all.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, No, not bad in any rate, And to your point,
not bad in regard to what we had just experienced.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
You know, it may be.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
It may be the first time where you know, the
shift occurs where you know, nine to eleven had such
an impact on our show that you can't you can't
not think of our show without nine to eleven in
the way that we wound up telling our stories. And
this is possibly could be one of the first ones
that sort of shifts into that mode.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, without a doubt. And we have some.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Powerhouse guests coming up in the near future. Thank you
to uh Dominic right here for for curing.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
I have I've been chasing, yeah bless Yeah, some some
real biggies. So I hope everyone's going to get very
excited about that when they starts to when we start
to let that out, and uh, you know, one in
particular is well, they're both brilliant. I mean, they're both
(45:03):
connected to the show in their various ways. It's as
much as we can say exactly right, but you're going
to really enjoy and I hope we really enjoy their company.
They're they're they're both very very fun fellas there we are.
That's as much as you know, they're both blokes, all right, Well, listen.
(45:27):
Thanks so much for watching, and we really value your
support and as you know, we need it, so please,
if you can find it in your heart and pocketbook
to a supporter us on Patreon. We really need that help.
Every penny counts, it does, so until then, no, no,
no new.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
See yas comos. It's almost.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
In Commo. It's commis
Popular Podcasts
Fudd Around And Find Out
UConn basketball star Azzi Fudd brings her championship swag to iHeart Women’s Sports with Fudd Around and Find Out, a weekly podcast that takes fans along for the ride as Azzi spends her final year of college trying to reclaim the National Championship and prepare to be a first round WNBA draft pick. Ever wonder what it’s like to be a world-class athlete in the public spotlight while still managing schoolwork, friendships and family time? It’s time to Fudd Around and Find Out!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!