September 17, 2025 • 45 mins
Dominic Keating and Connor Trinneer revisit Star Trek: Enterprise's pivotal episode "Shadows of P'Jem", and they're joined by the legendary Jeff Combs (Shran himself)! They share behind-the-scenes memories, laugh through some wild takes, and reflect on the Vulcan-Andorian tensions that shaped early Enterprise lore.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The show has been done. We've it's the count Ladies
and gentlemen, Boys and girls, Trekkis and shrekers. Welcome back
to another episode of the Decon Chamber. I am your
(00:21):
co host dominic Keating joined as always with my other
co host and my bestie, mister Connichran here in the
house and we are joined today to talk about episode fifteen,
Shadows of Pajem with none other than the multifaceted, multi talented,
many faced, wonderful actor mister Jeffrey Combs is here.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Hi, everybody here Finally it's really nice.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yes, I mean we are a couple of incidents to
get to the picture, but we're here.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
But I I are always fun.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I concur me and it's it's the techn logical world
these days. Is he's not leaving us behind. It's about
what we know, which is a wonderful lot and craft
of acting which hopefully.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well hitting our mark and remembering our lines.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, we was just exactly and and now they want
to ai that and you know, and yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
We should remember that this is a sequel pretty much
to the Andorian incident. Yes, and this episode is written
by Mike Sussman and Philip Strong. Ated by Mike Vaihar,
who I think we all can recognize was a very
unique director in the way that he did things.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
He was a lovely sort of zen guy, never got
flustered about anything. He knew what he wanted when he
wanted it, and he just was like sort of a
you know, centered Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I remember him saying early on because the episode that
I think he directed first for us was unexpected when
Trip gets pregnant, and I remember saying to him. He'd
be like, listen, I only need these four lines. I'd say,
as well, because.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
The only ones on.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Right, right, that's good, those are the ones.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, but it's gotta be FUNU.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And I but I'd say to him. I was like, look,
I've got to run into this, and he's like, well,
go ahead, But it doesn't matter for me because because
Mike came from the world of editing and so very clearly.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
He knew and he would cut, He knew what he would.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Cut, and he also very smartly cut and shot his shows.
I'll rephrase this. He shot his shows to be cut
the way he wanted them to be made.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Exactly keen, because there was no there was no there
was no.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Other as that they could use in the in the
edit suite and make something.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, you know that was anil for Alfred Hitchcock.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Move. Yeah, absolutely, Now.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Alfred Hitchcock learned right away, Wait a minute, they recut
my movie, It's not what I had in mind. And
so he just said, Okay, from now on, I'll so
even if they take it from me, they have no choice.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Had you shot with Mike vaihar before?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Oh yes, on Deep Space nine he did quite a
number of episodes.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
In that initial scene in the intro when the Vulcans
are talking to the humans, it just felt a little
clunky to me.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Captain Gardner would have made a far more suitable commanding officer.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
The Vulcan Consulate doesn't make command assignments here.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
And I think that there was there was an opportunity
at some point that I don't really feel, at least
for our show ever had, which was to re dive
into Vulcan culture specifically.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Well, I think, of course they did that in the
original series to a good degree with Spock and having
to go home, and you know, they kind of filled
it out. But what I loved about this was there's
this kind of reverie for how superior the Vulcans were
(04:28):
that they never had that they just dealt with logic
and they never had any ulterior motives. And here you've
got Brannon and Rick Berman sort of said in that way,
hold on, maybe the Vulcans are just as guilty as
everybody else by rationalizing what they really want, and they're
(04:53):
just as corrupt as everybody else. This is our sanctuary
and our monastery where we pray. Yeah, not so much, right.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, not so much. The Almighty sirak Is is just
a cloak for.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Pajim was one of our most revered sanctuaries.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
We're using the monastery as a surveillance station.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I loved about you talked when we first did you
had you you were not our first but second interview
in our past iteration, and you likened the Andorians with
the Vulcans relationship like Northern Ireland, and I thought that
was a very clever piece of you know, well not.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Necessarily Northern Ireland, just like Ireland.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Ones, just like Ireland in general.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, and the Brits, you know, taking it over and
treating them like second class people and uh, detigrading them
and you know that that builds up after a while
and you get a little.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
And giving this whole sort of false storyline that you know,
there was this famine that was just naturally created.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Was not the truth or was not the truth? And
that sort of feeds into why Schrand can't trust anybody
because how many times have they been burned by the Vulcans?
Right and here the Federation or or the Enterprise Crew,
they have a vulcan, they have a vulcan on This
(06:19):
is a problem for us.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're in codes with without.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
You know, deep stentishly, you're allied with our enemies so
much like you either.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah right, yeah, and you know, to go further into that,
you know, really the the goal for Shran is to
eliminate a debt.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Once he's free, my debt will be repaid in full.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think the culture of the Andorans is one of
a lot of honor, and we keep our word, unlike
our enemy, the Vulcans, the lie and and cloak it
in you know, a net of supposed logic, but you know,
they're just as shifty as as anybody else, maybe more.
(07:11):
And but so we really hold on to our My
word is my bond and uh, it's real hard for
us to trust anybody. I really like playing that kind
of stuff. It was really hard to trust anyone after
all of the turmoil that we've had with the with
the vocals.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Nice stuff with Gary Graham, bless his soul so beautifully,
didn't he.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
There was a time when your people sought our guidance.
I regret that time has passed.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
He was a very devoted There's one come in there
where I torture him all right in a later episode,
and it's a very devoted actor. Took his work very,
very seriously. He's really good.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
He had a great look and then real talent.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And another old friend of mine is also in this
episode playing the other main vulcan, Greg Gitson. You obviously
made an error in your calculations. Please have sub commanded
to Paul ready to depart when we arrived.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Greg, Yes, Greg, greg was his name, Greg Gregory? It's
I Yes, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Wonderful actor. And I knew him since I was a puppy.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
We did.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, we did theater back when I was like eighteen,
nineteen twenty. We were in the same theater company.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Remind me where you grew up because I know we've
we've cussed this before.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I grew up on the Central coast at California, you know,
about an hour above Santa Barbara and in Santa Maria,
which was not I grow up lumpoks so Sam Mauas
twenty miles book and I had a beautiful theater program
on the campus of a small college that was sort
of a mecca for West Coast. Actually, actors from across
(09:02):
the country would come there in the summertime. Spectacular Bob
Blackman did a lot of the wardrobe.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yes about that, Bob Designer.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Absolutely of all the shows.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
What was this was a tryout place? Was it that
be coming?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
It was more than a tryout. It was really kind
of a hybrid. Yes, it was on the campus of
a college, but the theater department was run by this
visionary guy named Donovan Marley. He loved theater and it
was really where my whatever metal I have was was tempered.
I mean there were yes, students, but also working actors
(09:45):
that came for the summer on, artists and residents of
contracts and a lot of people from act came down
from all over the country.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Really, because I know, it's what's it called.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Again PCPA, which stands for Conservatory of the Performing Arts?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Is it still? Is it still in existence? Is it is?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And they have a sister theater in Solving. The one
in Santa Maria is that indoor and the one in
Solving is outdoor, but they have the same dimension dimensions.
So you can take a set and take it down
there and do it in the.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Round or is it? Is it a preceding trust? Trust? Right? Lovely?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I love trust.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I'd like to say something at solving. I've never been solving,
Well you haven't. That would be a lovely thing to do. Well.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It's a bit of a kind of lot place. It's Danish, right.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It's it's is it Danish or Austrian? It's it's Danish solving,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So so there must have been some immigration by by
Swedes there at some point. It's it's warm there, it's hot.
So it's kind of this weird mix of like, maybe
Sweden not so much.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
It is now, isn't there a lot of potters and
artists and the Yeah, let's get back to our little episode.
So so before we know it, the Cardonites have got
a rebel force trying to you know, overthrow the government.
The son has sort of keep them in some sort.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Of we got a civil war going there.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
You might have told us about your little war before
you invited us down.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
We're not at war, Commander. This is an isolated incident.
And before we know the captain Archer and to paula
held rebel in the rebel hideout, and they're bound together.
Trust in a tryst.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Who Beanie could get out of this?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Perhaps you should invite him on your next tension.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
This was in a day when they thought that they
were going to maybe put these two together in some
sort of you.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Know, getting them to know each other in trouble together
and they'll get out.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Amusing to say the you know, the you know, can
you wriggle around and.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
We can turn around a little move a little move
it to Paul makes around him.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I can have it.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, oh yes, I remember that now the image comes
to me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
And they played it very well. I have to say,
I mean, you know, Joe was I just have to say,
I mean, we say it a few times. She she
comes out of these episodes looking like gold dust. Most
of the time, she's you know, she just has she
held the screen just.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yes, she did. She's very photogenic, and she had the
bravery of just like I don't have to really do anything.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It's the bravery of stillness, isn't.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
It's the bravery of which I'm a coward of.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yes. I was advised early on, as in my acting journey,
by Chap at the school I was at. He said,
you know, just be still on stage. You don't have
to be moving all the time. Stillness is powerful.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
It will watch you.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, and you have to have the bravery to know
that what you what you know, your stillness is something
they want to look at. And yeah, not all of
us are born with that innate.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Pride. It's something that's learned with experience.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah. I mean, God bless never stays still for a second,
you know less I was.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I was in early on drama school at the National
Theater Institute, and in all honesty, I had a very
small part in one of the scenes where I had
two lines, didn't read the play, didn't know what the
f was going on. But I decided I was just
gonna stare at everyone when they spoke. That was all
(14:08):
I was going to do. Time that scene was over,
everybody was like, I don't Okay, I get I'm not
sure what you were doing, but what you were doing
was captivating because there was something going on right well anything,
I was just standing there.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
What are we call what did we call that back
in the day, talking and listening? Yeah, acting is talking
and listening, it is. Yeah, we were actively listening.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Reactively listening. Yeah. Yeah, and then then that hopefully spawns you,
spurs what you're going to say next and exactly, you know,
you can always tell the acts. That just goes, Oh
it's my chance to talk. Now you say my life
blah blah blah blah blah, and then my life. So
(14:57):
they're in the tryst and they're being held captive. We
should mention Jeff Cober, a lovely actor who's been around
town forever.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
In a day, we're here at the invitation of your chancellor.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
He's not my chancellor.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
That government has kept in powered by the.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Book, and finally I got him the word.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Have you worked with Jeff Cober before? You must have
come across uh Jeffrey.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
What did he do?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
He was the he was the chief rebel of the
card Nights. Oh yeah, yeah, I worked with him first.
My first job was a buffy and He was the
chief vampire that that episode, and I was his watcher.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Right in front of you where here I can't see, you.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Can't ken.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
And in a moment I turned away and he got
me good and then he turned me into a vampire.
Mm hmmm mmm. And we chased her around Glendale for
a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
And your and your and your life changed forever.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
And changed forever. And then I've come across him over
the years, you know, on other shows, and we did
Sons of Anarchy together. We did a read through recently
for a friend of mine who's got a Second World
War movie, and Jeff was at the read I hadn't
seen him in years. And then Connor, I know, saw
him recent because he also does.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, I saw him. It wasn't really recently, probably it
was probably several years ago, where.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Seven or eight years now.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
And then he become a life coach. He'd been coaching
some friends of mine, and I went to meet him
at his house and talk about what he's doing. He's
at the moment, I believe he's on General Hospital or the.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I believe he never stops working.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
We got to keep working, man, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And he has a really sort of divine sense about
what it means to be a human and an artist.
And when I met him for that period of time,
and you know, we worked together, but I don't remember
that at all, but when I was at his house.
He's got a really incredible sense about what you're meant
(17:18):
to do proactively in your life. Uh, in in in
art and in everything.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, he's a he's a very spiritual guy and a
real jobbing and a journeyman actor.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I guess I never got to really work with him
on the episode.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
No, you probably know, because we it was all the
shoots out stuff when we were when suddenly Malcolm arives
with the with the with the armory guys.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
But he really is. He's a real journeyman actor and
supremely talented and very constable. That's the other thing about Jeff.
He can turn his his you know, his being to
whatever you need him to be. And he's got a
great face. He sort of has that sort of Tyler Yes, Stephen,
he looks like it's just sort of an actor Steven Tyler.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Right, yeah, sort of the you know Vaughn is like that.
I mean, Von Armstrong has been played twelve different roles
in the Star Trek universe. I mean, yes, indeed remarkable.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
So then when you come in around at three at four, don't.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
You it's a great entrance.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yes, it is a grin. I knowed that in my notes.
What a great entrance to a great entrance that was.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
You should have listened to the Vulcan. He warned you
against doing anything foolish.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
What the hell are you doing here.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Looking out for you pink skins?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, told me, Okay, they're gonna be using these Andorians
for a while because they're taking great, great care to
do things like that.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
You know, right, who was your partner in that? At
least four inside the compound?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Two more up on the wall.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
He was in the first episode.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, I forget his name. I'm terrible.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
You know I do too, because I'll tell you what.
I figured those guys would be around for a while,
because in and Dorian incident and in this I think
I had sort of the same little crew around me.
And then they never showed up anymore. And then they
were like jettison or they decided that was way too
(19:29):
expensive maybe to have that many Andrians around. And you know,
you never see those guys unless they're in makeup. They're
made up somewhere else, and then you meet on set.
It's it's kind of like.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
And also and so you know, I remember Jeff Lewis
was our makeup guy and your makeup.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Guy, and he did my makeup yet.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
And and you guys, because of the hours that it
took to put it on and take it off, and
you living out where you do, you'd stay with Jeff.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I stayed with him one time. I stayed with him
one time because of the hours involved. And we went
really really late and a force call, which you guys,
a new couch call. So it was like, man, I
don't want to drive all the way home to come in.
(20:21):
And Jeff said, well, I've got a you know, I've
got a guest house out there built you know, by
my garage. Just stay there. So so I did, and
then we had a quick breakfast and he was.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
A lovely and nice man. Is he in l A
again now? Con I think he is.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
He reached out to me a few months ago, and
I don't, I don't. I don't know what happened.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Saint Louis and Los Angeles, and I have contact with Jeff,
you know.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
His phone number, but he was really terrific.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
The story that they told me was Mike Westmore came
to Jeff Lewis and the Brad Look and said, Okay,
we're gonna have a little contest here. Both of you
come up with a a design for the Andorian makeup,
and whoever I pick it gets to do the make up.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Kidding had so had had the Andoran's ever been photographed
before in any Star Trek show?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Oh? Sure, absolutely they were. In the original series. They
were really clunky. They they were sort of shady. In
like one episode maybe two, they were they were shady
kind of diplomats. Uh. The makeup, they didn't have the
dreadful No, the made up. The antenna were really really fat.
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Mike Westmore told me they were made out of clay.
You can imagine. They just just didn't move and farther
back on the head, and the and really like albino beatlewigs,
bad albino beatle wigs. You know, they look like synthetic
terrible wigs. So that's how they started. And then they
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were kind of always in the background as sort of diplomats.
In some of the movies they're on a council and
you know that kind of thing. But they were never
never central to any of those storylines, particularly for not
for many episodes.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
There were a species that were in the Star Trek Cosmis.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Well, they also were one of the species that started
that were one of the charter members of the Federation,
and yet they were never so when they offered when
they said would you play this role? To me, it
was an andorian. I realized the opportunity there of like,
we're going to explore the a species that has not
(22:51):
been explored. That's really I want to be in on
the ground floor that that's cool.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
You well, you always offered these jobs, Jeff, Or did
you ever?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
But yes, the first I don't know if you guys know,
but I had a cattle call for the cast of
Next Generation. Like every actor in the world, I think
my audition lasted fifteen seconds. They were just I think
it was like one of those sag after a cattle
(23:26):
calls where you got to call every actor in, you know, just.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
A chance standing outside, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, And so I never worked on Next Gin. And
then when Deep Space nine came along, I think I
auditioned a couple of times before and didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
These are series pots, you think.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
No, they were for her, you know, supporting guest stars,
guest star roles. And then finally I got one. On
my third try, I got cast and it was wonder
I never played that alien again, what want? It's not
in your catalog, but it got me in there, and
(24:09):
and Reneo Berjimoa was getting ready to direct a franky episode,
so so he urged the producers to cast me, and
so thank god he did. I played Brunt.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
She's charged with.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Earning profit, earning profit?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Oh movie?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
And then I remember Ira Stephen Bear. After I'd done
Brunt maybe four or five times, he approached me on
set my full thing. He said, we want to have
you come back and play something where we see your face.
I remember. That's why I said, And that's how Wayoun happened.
They just offered me that we are very much alike.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
That's your favorite roles, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Way Well, I think it's a real neck and neck
between Wayoon and Trent complex and more passionate. Uh got
an edge to him. Yeah, there was more things to
play there.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
It seems to me it was a it was a
political sort of in a dance rather than yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Trans role was more engaged in the thrust of our
entire show as being a side story on anything he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
He kind of harkened back to me immediately as sort
of the energy or style of the original series. Mm
hmm in a way.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
And I loved how they chose to militarize the Andans.
Before that, they had never been depicted that way. They
were more like sleazy diplomats, right.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
They became freedom factors if you will.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, yeah, Well they were fighting for you know, their
their home planet and and and their influence around them,
and the Vulcans were encroaching.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yeah, And in hindsight, what do you think you would
like to have seen We can all say this because
our show didn't go seven years, but I like to
have seen Shran evolve into.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Well, you know Manny Coto said in an interview that
if there had been a fifth season, I would have
been a serious regular, right, which makes me see that
I would have been on the bridge with you guys.
Maybe I would have gone on away, you know, and
I would have been part of the the regular storylines.
(27:01):
Either I'm in charge of the ship while everybody's away,
or I'm down there with with you and or both
of you.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Or a lot of fun then I mean a little
bit great when you get into the weeds of what
could have been and I would could have you know,
it's depressing.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I can't I can't really look at it because it
really kind of you know, it's the one that got away.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Hey man, Yeah, it's we were robbed and uh.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
We were robbed and I and I feel especially frustrated
because I really felt that that Enterprise found its voice
in that fourth season and what it was kind of
too late. You couldn't say, wait a minute, they've really
hit their hit their stride. And and that's the case
(27:53):
with all of the series. That's what I don't understand.
It takes a while for these things, these shows to
really find their voice. And they just didn't give us time.
They didn't got So what.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Would have been the implications of us becoming a syndicated show,
having been a network show for a network was now,
you know, going down the proverbial could they could we
have syndicated? And I know some there was some talk
about going to Vancouver, but Scott wasn't up for that
and he got.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Interesting, Yeah, why that sounds like it's a cost thing.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, and we weren't a cheap show.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I mean these shows, no, you spent a lot of
money on the Zindi Yark.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, and all the green screen stuff and all the
CGI stuff was super expensive in those days. I mean,
our show's cost three to three and a half million,
and on a big one of four million. Job that's
a movie, man, I mean it's for forty minutes of TV.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I just think they pulled the plug.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, and mister Moonves had no interest in this show.
He didn't you know, he didn't like Star Trek, didn't
commission it. You know, there you go. He wasn't any
accolade from it, Like.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
It wasn't his idea. Therefore, his baby.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Having been involved in shows that were syndicated versus ones
that were not, you know you've done both of them,
was there a difference in.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
You know, Deep Space nine was really kind of a
hybrid because they of course that was syndicated. But the
problem the problem was is that IRA's vision was you know,
when they say syndicated, it doesn't matter, just they should
be standalone episodes so that when they go into in
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they don't have to worry about order and all that
so they really pushed back on IRA because that wasn't
the way he saw it. He saw it as a
chapters and along saga, and I think that he was
visionary because now that's exactly what streaming is, I kidding.
(30:08):
And so you have to watch Deep Space nine in order,
which was really really challenging in those days because it
was syndicated and a lot of episodes were pre empted
by other things, events and stuff. So Texas, Yeah, exactly,
(30:30):
So it was really hard to keep your footing and
know what was going on because oh I missed, you know,
I didn't see last week's episode. It was preempted, and
what's going on here? I don't know what they're talking about.
So it had real challenges, but it went seven years,
so I don't really understand. I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Well, I think, you know. I yeah, I mean, I
have to say, I mean, it's some of the things
I'm starting to do Ondan that you know, we I
just thought we had an audience that would just watch
Star Trek, you know, and that unfortunately is not the case.
They're more just a little more discerning than that.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Sadly, we had the lifers.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
We did, you did, but we didn't get the numbers
that were going to keep UPN alive laundering man, I
mean do you remember, I mean there was they didn't
know whether they were becoming the African American Network, and they.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Got what they were a big.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Loaf of white bread in the middle of their programming
called Star Trek and it was Yeah, it was tricky,
you know. And then then the sort of rot set
in when Rick starts getting notes from Dawn Ostrov that
Mumbas had put in charge of UPN about how to
run his Star Trek show. You can imagine how that
(31:52):
went down. Yeah, morning in Rick's office.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Big success there.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, he's done four shows, order three. You know, it's like,
tell me how to run my show.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Well, you know that that tends to be the case.
When there's a new captain on the ship. It's like, yeah,
we were not done it the old way.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Well, I just went to see the Superman movie and
apparently Henry Cavill got completely gypped. They put this, I
forget that the lad's name. He's very good. It is
the new Superman. But gun who got brought on board?
You know, obviously he wasn't gonna I'm not using an
inherited Superman. I want my Superman.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
He looks just the same.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
And it literally, I mean, I swear to God.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Well, I don't get all this rebooting, and it's like,
don't we know this story already. Spider Man's the same Batman.
It's like, why are we, I don't know, mane regurgitating
the same.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. In specifically
for money hero and comics is because it's been established
forever that you would have Batman's a great example. M
you would have a particular artist and a writer do Batman,
and then someone else would come in and their version
(33:10):
of that would be different. So it's an acceptable notion
that you give. You know, you you do other iterations
of of the same stories done with this different style.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, but my theory is also they're safe. Oh it's
a known commodity.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
But like absolutely, we don't have to save All we
have to do is ride the gravy taint train of
a of a known entity and what'll make money.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah that's true. But but again, like you know, say,
when Frank Miller came in and changed Batman, those are
that was a very different style art and everything. So
that yes. I mean, you know, it goes. It goes
very easily into the avenue of what Hollywood actually do,
which is just you know, put another slap, another label
(34:02):
on it and call it the same goddamn thing.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Right.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Comics specifically have that luxury.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yes, they do on the page. And I guess on
on on on film or yeah, on digital or it's
not called film anymore. I can't say that anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Oh, I send me in a film star. Tek Is
is a similar animal. I mean, uh, and it's it's uh,
it's I think it's for a forever thing now. I
think I just they just released the new images from
the new show. The staff of the Academy show, uh,
and Jim Assi looks great. I gotta say, they.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Just want to you know. I just look at that
and they go, what are we doing here? Oh my god,
we're in the Academy and I lost my homework. I mean,
what what are the episodes about?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I don't know what he is. There is a a
slide ruin.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
The only thing that they can do is, oh my god,
class is canceled.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
We have to get pastor and study hall.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
It might be why they held off on this for
about thirty years.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah really, yeah, it's been a while. I'll talk about
this one for a long time.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You know, Pocardo is what probably is a teacher.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Right. He's a lucky fucker, is what he is.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah. Well he's also got some chops, but yeah, we've
got a lot of He's also a computer.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Right, yes, yeah, he's a yeah, yeah, I can't kill him.
We should talk a bit more about our episode. Look
at some of my notes, so they get rescued answer
into pull from the firefight, The Vulcans are rigid in
(35:51):
thinking about the failures of value to pul service saval.
Gary Graham acknowledges her loyalty and grants her a temporary
reprieve to remain on the ship.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
I'd say the odds are pretty good, you're gonna be
with us for a while longer.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
And uh and that in her staining deepens her connection
to the crew. And I got this is the beginning
of to Paul becoming.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
You know, it's the big question, isn't it. It gets
addressed around this time in the first season about her
vulcanness and her desire to maybe open.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Up, Yeah, right, become evolve a little bit. Yeah, yeah,
I'd like this episode two because it does sort of
in a way explore the Andrians sense of well, you
(36:56):
know you you you you basically can into our rescue
and and Dorian incident and in and in our culture
that means I owe you.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, and I love you today, Jeff, that you say
I haven't slept well.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I haven't.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Slept well since our encounter at the Vulcan Sanctuary.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yes, that's a that's a lovely little I love that.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I haven't slept well.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I haven't haven that I that I am. I owe you.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
But because I haven't, that's why I haven't slept well.
Because they don't like and Dorians do not like owing
any favors to anyone. So if you're beholden to someone
does something for you, your your your order about to
equalize that.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
You know, I don't like being indebted to anyone.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Leased to voll your captain and then point out to
them that were even my debt he's repaid.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah right, and now yeah, now we'll hold off. It's
a bard again.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
But we do get inklings of of the evolution of
and Dorian human relationships here and that because of you know, Scott,
let's talk Scott. I mean he's solid as a rock,
you know, But that I think I can trust these guys.
I have such a thin skin to trust anyone. But man,
(38:31):
just hope me spring eternal. If I if this, maybe
I can trust them. Yeah, and that's uh, that's a
big step.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah, and you keep coming back.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Thank god.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
We gotta have you back when it comes to some
more shrind episode.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
We have some more episodes coming up.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, some really good ones too. And it's good to see.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Man.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
You're gonna be in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Uh, definitely, we're gonna be there. Just sudden, Hey, I
got you know, the rat pack and okay, every everything.
Maybe you guys are going to be gone by the time.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Actually yeah, that that that that Nicholin Diming is with
the hotel rooms this time around.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
They heard that. They heard that.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
We're flying in Wednesday morning and leaving Saturday nights.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
And you feel the love, the love.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
You feel the love? Yeah, are you going to Orlando?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I'm going to Orlando?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Is he going to be there? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Okay, good good. Once again, I fly in on a Friday,
and we do our show Saturday and our day and
then Sunday I fly away.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
So well we just we just sit down and hold
ourselves for three or four days and then go home.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
I'll come find you, Okay, I believe said that. When
do you guys leave.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
I say, there's a public service.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, when you guys leave Vegas.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
I'm going Saturday night, I think, Yeah, Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I arrived Saturday night, so there other all right, Well.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
We've been the rat Pack. I've been three years running now,
and you guys are just great, and really we should
get that a moment's well.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
I appreciate that. We were sure our little brotherhood there
and we we have a real good time. We get along,
and I don't know how much longer we'll be doing it. Frankly,
that's going to be there this year or is it
will be there?
Speaker 1 (40:25):
That's wonderful. Yeah, that's really good.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, we're very very good. And he'll be in Orlando.
Apparently he starts seeing if he can, uh, you know,
be up for it. But that's that's the plan.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
You guys are amazing, you really are.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
It's and out there.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
If you've not seen the rat Pack at a convention,
do yourself an absolute favor. And and and because I
know you guys wind up typically doing the end of
the show and end of a convention. Yes, people stick
around because it is not to be missed.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
It's always sort of disconcerting when I'm there on a
Sunday and I go down the elevator and people are
got their suitcases in their head. Now you know what
I'm like. But you're not gonna stay until tomorrow and.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
See what they're missing out. You know, it's a really
really polished show. And you know, the songs are fantastic.
They're they're they're poignant, they're moving, and they're hilarious.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
And we try to we try to do it all,
you know, laugh.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
As I said of mine, and the is hilarious.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
I just, uh, I just heard a joke. I talked
to Ethan and I told him, you guys want to
hear a joke you probably you might not tell this.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
You actually heard a joke from Ethan.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
No tell every time I hear needs to hear that.
So here's the joke and then I'll leave you guys. Right,
guy goes to Vegas and he meets this ravishing woman.
She's gorgeous, and they hit it off right away. They
are just harmonious and laugh and they cry and the
(42:17):
food is lovely, and the drinks are flowing, and that's
just one of the most incredible days in late evenings,
and of course they wake up in bed together in
the morning and they really kind of don't remember what happened,
but they do notice that there's on the side table
(42:38):
a marriage certificate and he goes, wow, okay, well, oh wow,
you know I'm willing to I'm willing. Hey, listen, I'm
willing to give this a show. But I feel I
have to tell you something. It's very, very important to me.
I love golf. Golf is my world. It's the center
of my life. I watch it, I play it, I
(43:01):
bet on it. I can't live without golf. It just
just encompasses my life. So if you can accept me
for who I am and my golfing, I'm willing to
to stick with you on this. And she says, wow,
that is that is that's amazing. That's so touching that
(43:25):
you do you want to kind of open up to
me that way. I have a confession to make to you.
And he says, okay, this is good. Okay, what is it?
She says, I'm a hooker and he says, oh, well, okay,
oh maybe it's your grip.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Oh my god, gentlemen, Jeffrey Holmes.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
But I tell you, maybe it's your grip.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
It's your grip. You're over swinging.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah right, that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
It's good to see Jeff. We'll see you because love
you the way. Goodbye in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
All right, yeah, take over. It's a handoff. You can
hand me the baton, I'll take over. You shut him up,
I'll buck him.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Down nice if you're doing the show Man name.
Speaker 6 (44:23):
I love you two guys, all right, bye, bye
Speaker 1 (45:23):
On
The show has been done. We've it's the count Ladies
and gentlemen, Boys and girls, Trekkis and shrekers. Welcome back
to another episode of the Decon Chamber. I am your
(00:21):
co host dominic Keating joined as always with my other
co host and my bestie, mister Connichran here in the
house and we are joined today to talk about episode fifteen,
Shadows of Pajem with none other than the multifaceted, multi talented,
many faced, wonderful actor mister Jeffrey Combs is here.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Hi, everybody here Finally it's really nice.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yes, I mean we are a couple of incidents to
get to the picture, but we're here.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
But I I are always fun.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I concur me and it's it's the techn logical world
these days. Is he's not leaving us behind. It's about
what we know, which is a wonderful lot and craft
of acting which hopefully.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well hitting our mark and remembering our lines.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, we was just exactly and and now they want
to ai that and you know, and yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
We should remember that this is a sequel pretty much
to the Andorian incident. Yes, and this episode is written
by Mike Sussman and Philip Strong. Ated by Mike Vaihar,
who I think we all can recognize was a very
unique director in the way that he did things.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
He was a lovely sort of zen guy, never got
flustered about anything. He knew what he wanted when he
wanted it, and he just was like sort of a
you know, centered Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I remember him saying early on because the episode that
I think he directed first for us was unexpected when
Trip gets pregnant, and I remember saying to him. He'd
be like, listen, I only need these four lines. I'd say,
as well, because.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
The only ones on.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Right, right, that's good, those are the ones.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, but it's gotta be FUNU.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And I but I'd say to him. I was like, look,
I've got to run into this, and he's like, well,
go ahead, But it doesn't matter for me because because
Mike came from the world of editing and so very clearly.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
He knew and he would cut, He knew what he would.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Cut, and he also very smartly cut and shot his shows.
I'll rephrase this. He shot his shows to be cut
the way he wanted them to be made.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Exactly keen, because there was no there was no there
was no.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Other as that they could use in the in the
edit suite and make something.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, you know that was anil for Alfred Hitchcock.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Move. Yeah, absolutely, Now.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Alfred Hitchcock learned right away, Wait a minute, they recut
my movie, It's not what I had in mind. And
so he just said, Okay, from now on, I'll so
even if they take it from me, they have no choice.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Had you shot with Mike vaihar before?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Oh yes, on Deep Space nine he did quite a
number of episodes.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
In that initial scene in the intro when the Vulcans
are talking to the humans, it just felt a little
clunky to me.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Captain Gardner would have made a far more suitable commanding officer.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
The Vulcan Consulate doesn't make command assignments here.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
And I think that there was there was an opportunity
at some point that I don't really feel, at least
for our show ever had, which was to re dive
into Vulcan culture specifically.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Well, I think, of course they did that in the
original series to a good degree with Spock and having
to go home, and you know, they kind of filled
it out. But what I loved about this was there's
this kind of reverie for how superior the Vulcans were
(04:28):
that they never had that they just dealt with logic
and they never had any ulterior motives. And here you've
got Brannon and Rick Berman sort of said in that way,
hold on, maybe the Vulcans are just as guilty as
everybody else by rationalizing what they really want, and they're
(04:53):
just as corrupt as everybody else. This is our sanctuary
and our monastery where we pray. Yeah, not so much, right.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, not so much. The Almighty sirak Is is just
a cloak for.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Pajim was one of our most revered sanctuaries.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
We're using the monastery as a surveillance station.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I loved about you talked when we first did you
had you you were not our first but second interview
in our past iteration, and you likened the Andorians with
the Vulcans relationship like Northern Ireland, and I thought that
was a very clever piece of you know, well not.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Necessarily Northern Ireland, just like Ireland.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Ones, just like Ireland in general.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, and the Brits, you know, taking it over and
treating them like second class people and uh, detigrading them
and you know that that builds up after a while
and you get a little.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
And giving this whole sort of false storyline that you know,
there was this famine that was just naturally created.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Was not the truth or was not the truth? And
that sort of feeds into why Schrand can't trust anybody
because how many times have they been burned by the Vulcans?
Right and here the Federation or or the Enterprise Crew,
they have a vulcan, they have a vulcan on This
(06:19):
is a problem for us.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're in codes with without.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
You know, deep stentishly, you're allied with our enemies so
much like you either.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah right, yeah, and you know, to go further into that,
you know, really the the goal for Shran is to
eliminate a debt.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Once he's free, my debt will be repaid in full.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think the culture of the Andorans is one of
a lot of honor, and we keep our word, unlike
our enemy, the Vulcans, the lie and and cloak it
in you know, a net of supposed logic, but you know,
they're just as shifty as as anybody else, maybe more.
(07:11):
And but so we really hold on to our My
word is my bond and uh, it's real hard for
us to trust anybody. I really like playing that kind
of stuff. It was really hard to trust anyone after
all of the turmoil that we've had with the with
the vocals.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Nice stuff with Gary Graham, bless his soul so beautifully,
didn't he.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
There was a time when your people sought our guidance.
I regret that time has passed.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
He was a very devoted There's one come in there
where I torture him all right in a later episode,
and it's a very devoted actor. Took his work very,
very seriously. He's really good.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
He had a great look and then real talent.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And another old friend of mine is also in this
episode playing the other main vulcan, Greg Gitson. You obviously
made an error in your calculations. Please have sub commanded
to Paul ready to depart when we arrived.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Greg, Yes, Greg, greg was his name, Greg Gregory? It's
I Yes, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Wonderful actor. And I knew him since I was a puppy.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
We did.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, we did theater back when I was like eighteen,
nineteen twenty. We were in the same theater company.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Remind me where you grew up because I know we've
we've cussed this before.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I grew up on the Central coast at California, you know,
about an hour above Santa Barbara and in Santa Maria,
which was not I grow up lumpoks so Sam Mauas
twenty miles book and I had a beautiful theater program
on the campus of a small college that was sort
of a mecca for West Coast. Actually, actors from across
(09:02):
the country would come there in the summertime. Spectacular Bob
Blackman did a lot of the wardrobe.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yes about that, Bob Designer.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Absolutely of all the shows.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
What was this was a tryout place? Was it that
be coming?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
It was more than a tryout. It was really kind
of a hybrid. Yes, it was on the campus of
a college, but the theater department was run by this
visionary guy named Donovan Marley. He loved theater and it
was really where my whatever metal I have was was tempered.
I mean there were yes, students, but also working actors
(09:45):
that came for the summer on, artists and residents of
contracts and a lot of people from act came down
from all over the country.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Really, because I know, it's what's it called.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Again PCPA, which stands for Conservatory of the Performing Arts?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Is it still? Is it still in existence? Is it is?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And they have a sister theater in Solving. The one
in Santa Maria is that indoor and the one in
Solving is outdoor, but they have the same dimension dimensions.
So you can take a set and take it down
there and do it in the.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Round or is it? Is it a preceding trust? Trust? Right? Lovely?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I love trust.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I'd like to say something at solving. I've never been solving,
Well you haven't. That would be a lovely thing to do. Well.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It's a bit of a kind of lot place. It's Danish, right.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It's it's is it Danish or Austrian? It's it's Danish solving,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So so there must have been some immigration by by
Swedes there at some point. It's it's warm there, it's hot.
So it's kind of this weird mix of like, maybe
Sweden not so much.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
It is now, isn't there a lot of potters and
artists and the Yeah, let's get back to our little episode.
So so before we know it, the Cardonites have got
a rebel force trying to you know, overthrow the government.
The son has sort of keep them in some sort.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Of we got a civil war going there.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
You might have told us about your little war before
you invited us down.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
We're not at war, Commander. This is an isolated incident.
And before we know the captain Archer and to paula
held rebel in the rebel hideout, and they're bound together.
Trust in a tryst.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Who Beanie could get out of this?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Perhaps you should invite him on your next tension.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
This was in a day when they thought that they
were going to maybe put these two together in some
sort of you.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Know, getting them to know each other in trouble together
and they'll get out.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Amusing to say the you know, the you know, can
you wriggle around and.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
We can turn around a little move a little move
it to Paul makes around him.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I can have it.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, oh yes, I remember that now the image comes
to me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
And they played it very well. I have to say,
I mean, you know, Joe was I just have to say,
I mean, we say it a few times. She she
comes out of these episodes looking like gold dust. Most
of the time, she's you know, she just has she
held the screen just.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yes, she did. She's very photogenic, and she had the
bravery of just like I don't have to really do anything.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It's the bravery of stillness, isn't.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
It's the bravery of which I'm a coward of.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yes. I was advised early on, as in my acting journey,
by Chap at the school I was at. He said,
you know, just be still on stage. You don't have
to be moving all the time. Stillness is powerful.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
It will watch you.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, and you have to have the bravery to know
that what you what you know, your stillness is something
they want to look at. And yeah, not all of
us are born with that innate.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Pride. It's something that's learned with experience.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah. I mean, God bless never stays still for a second,
you know less I was.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I was in early on drama school at the National
Theater Institute, and in all honesty, I had a very
small part in one of the scenes where I had
two lines, didn't read the play, didn't know what the
f was going on. But I decided I was just
gonna stare at everyone when they spoke. That was all
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I was going to do. Time that scene was over,
everybody was like, I don't Okay, I get I'm not
sure what you were doing, but what you were doing
was captivating because there was something going on right well anything,
I was just standing there.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
What are we call what did we call that back
in the day, talking and listening? Yeah, acting is talking
and listening, it is. Yeah, we were actively listening.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Reactively listening. Yeah. Yeah, and then then that hopefully spawns you,
spurs what you're going to say next and exactly, you know,
you can always tell the acts. That just goes, Oh
it's my chance to talk. Now you say my life
blah blah blah blah blah, and then my life. So
(14:57):
they're in the tryst and they're being held captive. We
should mention Jeff Cober, a lovely actor who's been around
town forever.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
In a day, we're here at the invitation of your chancellor.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
He's not my chancellor.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
That government has kept in powered by the.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Book, and finally I got him the word.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Have you worked with Jeff Cober before? You must have
come across uh Jeffrey.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
What did he do?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
He was the he was the chief rebel of the
card Nights. Oh yeah, yeah, I worked with him first.
My first job was a buffy and He was the
chief vampire that that episode, and I was his watcher.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Right in front of you where here I can't see, you.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Can't ken.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
And in a moment I turned away and he got
me good and then he turned me into a vampire.
Mm hmmm mmm. And we chased her around Glendale for
a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
And your and your and your life changed forever.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
And changed forever. And then I've come across him over
the years, you know, on other shows, and we did
Sons of Anarchy together. We did a read through recently
for a friend of mine who's got a Second World
War movie, and Jeff was at the read I hadn't
seen him in years. And then Connor, I know, saw
him recent because he also does.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, I saw him. It wasn't really recently, probably it
was probably several years ago, where.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Seven or eight years now.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
And then he become a life coach. He'd been coaching
some friends of mine, and I went to meet him
at his house and talk about what he's doing. He's
at the moment, I believe he's on General Hospital or the.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I believe he never stops working.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
We got to keep working, man, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And he has a really sort of divine sense about
what it means to be a human and an artist.
And when I met him for that period of time,
and you know, we worked together, but I don't remember
that at all, but when I was at his house.
He's got a really incredible sense about what you're meant
(17:18):
to do proactively in your life. Uh, in in in
art and in everything.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, he's a he's a very spiritual guy and a
real jobbing and a journeyman actor.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I guess I never got to really work with him
on the episode.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
No, you probably know, because we it was all the
shoots out stuff when we were when suddenly Malcolm arives
with the with the with the armory guys.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
But he really is. He's a real journeyman actor and
supremely talented and very constable. That's the other thing about Jeff.
He can turn his his you know, his being to
whatever you need him to be. And he's got a
great face. He sort of has that sort of Tyler Yes, Stephen,
he looks like it's just sort of an actor Steven Tyler.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Right, yeah, sort of the you know Vaughn is like that.
I mean, Von Armstrong has been played twelve different roles
in the Star Trek universe. I mean, yes, indeed remarkable.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
So then when you come in around at three at four, don't.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
You it's a great entrance.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yes, it is a grin. I knowed that in my notes.
What a great entrance to a great entrance that was.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
You should have listened to the Vulcan. He warned you
against doing anything foolish.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
What the hell are you doing here.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Looking out for you pink skins?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, told me, Okay, they're gonna be using these Andorians
for a while because they're taking great, great care to
do things like that.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
You know, right, who was your partner in that? At
least four inside the compound?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Two more up on the wall.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
He was in the first episode.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, I forget his name. I'm terrible.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
You know I do too, because I'll tell you what.
I figured those guys would be around for a while,
because in and Dorian incident and in this I think
I had sort of the same little crew around me.
And then they never showed up anymore. And then they
were like jettison or they decided that was way too
(19:29):
expensive maybe to have that many Andrians around. And you know,
you never see those guys unless they're in makeup. They're
made up somewhere else, and then you meet on set.
It's it's kind of like.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
And also and so you know, I remember Jeff Lewis
was our makeup guy and your makeup.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Guy, and he did my makeup yet.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
And and you guys, because of the hours that it
took to put it on and take it off, and
you living out where you do, you'd stay with Jeff.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I stayed with him one time. I stayed with him
one time because of the hours involved. And we went
really really late and a force call, which you guys,
a new couch call. So it was like, man, I
don't want to drive all the way home to come in.
(20:21):
And Jeff said, well, I've got a you know, I've
got a guest house out there built you know, by
my garage. Just stay there. So so I did, and
then we had a quick breakfast and he was.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
A lovely and nice man. Is he in l A
again now? Con I think he is.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
He reached out to me a few months ago, and
I don't, I don't. I don't know what happened.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Saint Louis and Los Angeles, and I have contact with Jeff,
you know.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
His phone number, but he was really terrific.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
The story that they told me was Mike Westmore came
to Jeff Lewis and the Brad Look and said, Okay,
we're gonna have a little contest here. Both of you
come up with a a design for the Andorian makeup,
and whoever I pick it gets to do the make up.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Kidding had so had had the Andoran's ever been photographed
before in any Star Trek show?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Oh? Sure, absolutely they were. In the original series. They
were really clunky. They they were sort of shady. In
like one episode maybe two, they were they were shady
kind of diplomats. Uh. The makeup, they didn't have the
dreadful No, the made up. The antenna were really really fat.
(21:46):
Mike Westmore told me they were made out of clay.
You can imagine. They just just didn't move and farther
back on the head, and the and really like albino beatlewigs,
bad albino beatle wigs. You know, they look like synthetic
terrible wigs. So that's how they started. And then they
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were kind of always in the background as sort of diplomats.
In some of the movies they're on a council and
you know that kind of thing. But they were never
never central to any of those storylines, particularly for not
for many episodes.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
There were a species that were in the Star Trek Cosmis.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Well, they also were one of the species that started
that were one of the charter members of the Federation,
and yet they were never so when they offered when
they said would you play this role? To me, it
was an andorian. I realized the opportunity there of like,
we're going to explore the a species that has not
(22:51):
been explored. That's really I want to be in on
the ground floor that that's cool.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
You well, you always offered these jobs, Jeff, Or did
you ever?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
But yes, the first I don't know if you guys know,
but I had a cattle call for the cast of
Next Generation. Like every actor in the world, I think
my audition lasted fifteen seconds. They were just I think
it was like one of those sag after a cattle
(23:26):
calls where you got to call every actor in, you know, just.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
A chance standing outside, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, And so I never worked on Next Gin. And
then when Deep Space nine came along, I think I
auditioned a couple of times before and didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
These are series pots, you think.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
No, they were for her, you know, supporting guest stars,
guest star roles. And then finally I got one. On
my third try, I got cast and it was wonder
I never played that alien again, what want? It's not
in your catalog, but it got me in there, and
(24:09):
and Reneo Berjimoa was getting ready to direct a franky episode,
so so he urged the producers to cast me, and
so thank god he did. I played Brunt.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
She's charged with.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Earning profit, earning profit?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Oh movie?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
And then I remember Ira Stephen Bear. After I'd done
Brunt maybe four or five times, he approached me on
set my full thing. He said, we want to have
you come back and play something where we see your face.
I remember. That's why I said, And that's how Wayoun happened.
They just offered me that we are very much alike.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
That's your favorite roles, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Way Well, I think it's a real neck and neck
between Wayoon and Trent complex and more passionate. Uh got
an edge to him. Yeah, there was more things to
play there.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
It seems to me it was a it was a
political sort of in a dance rather than yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Trans role was more engaged in the thrust of our
entire show as being a side story on anything he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
He kind of harkened back to me immediately as sort
of the energy or style of the original series. Mm
hmm in a way.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
And I loved how they chose to militarize the Andans.
Before that, they had never been depicted that way. They
were more like sleazy diplomats, right.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
They became freedom factors if you will.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, yeah, Well they were fighting for you know, their
their home planet and and and their influence around them,
and the Vulcans were encroaching.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yeah, And in hindsight, what do you think you would
like to have seen We can all say this because
our show didn't go seven years, but I like to
have seen Shran evolve into.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Well, you know Manny Coto said in an interview that
if there had been a fifth season, I would have
been a serious regular, right, which makes me see that
I would have been on the bridge with you guys.
Maybe I would have gone on away, you know, and
I would have been part of the the regular storylines.
(27:01):
Either I'm in charge of the ship while everybody's away,
or I'm down there with with you and or both
of you.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Or a lot of fun then I mean a little
bit great when you get into the weeds of what
could have been and I would could have you know,
it's depressing.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I can't I can't really look at it because it
really kind of you know, it's the one that got away.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Hey man, Yeah, it's we were robbed and uh.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
We were robbed and I and I feel especially frustrated
because I really felt that that Enterprise found its voice
in that fourth season and what it was kind of
too late. You couldn't say, wait a minute, they've really
hit their hit their stride. And and that's the case
(27:53):
with all of the series. That's what I don't understand.
It takes a while for these things, these shows to
really find their voice. And they just didn't give us time.
They didn't got So what.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Would have been the implications of us becoming a syndicated show,
having been a network show for a network was now,
you know, going down the proverbial could they could we
have syndicated? And I know some there was some talk
about going to Vancouver, but Scott wasn't up for that
and he got.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Interesting, Yeah, why that sounds like it's a cost thing.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, and we weren't a cheap show.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I mean these shows, no, you spent a lot of
money on the Zindi Yark.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, and all the green screen stuff and all the
CGI stuff was super expensive in those days. I mean,
our show's cost three to three and a half million,
and on a big one of four million. Job that's
a movie, man, I mean it's for forty minutes of TV.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I just think they pulled the plug.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, and mister Moonves had no interest in this show.
He didn't you know, he didn't like Star Trek, didn't
commission it. You know, there you go. He wasn't any
accolade from it, Like.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
It wasn't his idea. Therefore, his baby.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Having been involved in shows that were syndicated versus ones
that were not, you know you've done both of them,
was there a difference in.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
You know, Deep Space nine was really kind of a
hybrid because they of course that was syndicated. But the
problem the problem was is that IRA's vision was you know,
when they say syndicated, it doesn't matter, just they should
be standalone episodes so that when they go into in
(29:47):
they don't have to worry about order and all that
so they really pushed back on IRA because that wasn't
the way he saw it. He saw it as a
chapters and along saga, and I think that he was
visionary because now that's exactly what streaming is, I kidding.
(30:08):
And so you have to watch Deep Space nine in order,
which was really really challenging in those days because it
was syndicated and a lot of episodes were pre empted
by other things, events and stuff. So Texas, Yeah, exactly,
(30:30):
So it was really hard to keep your footing and
know what was going on because oh I missed, you know,
I didn't see last week's episode. It was preempted, and
what's going on here? I don't know what they're talking about.
So it had real challenges, but it went seven years,
so I don't really understand. I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Well, I think, you know. I yeah, I mean, I
have to say, I mean, it's some of the things
I'm starting to do Ondan that you know, we I
just thought we had an audience that would just watch
Star Trek, you know, and that unfortunately is not the case.
They're more just a little more discerning than that.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Sadly, we had the lifers.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
We did, you did, but we didn't get the numbers
that were going to keep UPN alive laundering man, I
mean do you remember, I mean there was they didn't
know whether they were becoming the African American Network, and they.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Got what they were a big.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Loaf of white bread in the middle of their programming
called Star Trek and it was Yeah, it was tricky,
you know. And then then the sort of rot set
in when Rick starts getting notes from Dawn Ostrov that
Mumbas had put in charge of UPN about how to
run his Star Trek show. You can imagine how that
(31:52):
went down. Yeah, morning in Rick's office.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Big success there.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, he's done four shows, order three. You know, it's like,
tell me how to run my show.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Well, you know that that tends to be the case.
When there's a new captain on the ship. It's like, yeah,
we were not done it the old way.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Well, I just went to see the Superman movie and
apparently Henry Cavill got completely gypped. They put this, I
forget that the lad's name. He's very good. It is
the new Superman. But gun who got brought on board?
You know, obviously he wasn't gonna I'm not using an
inherited Superman. I want my Superman.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
He looks just the same.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
And it literally, I mean, I swear to God.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Well, I don't get all this rebooting, and it's like,
don't we know this story already. Spider Man's the same Batman.
It's like, why are we, I don't know, mane regurgitating
the same.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. In specifically
for money hero and comics is because it's been established
forever that you would have Batman's a great example. M
you would have a particular artist and a writer do Batman,
and then someone else would come in and their version
(33:10):
of that would be different. So it's an acceptable notion
that you give. You know, you you do other iterations
of of the same stories done with this different style.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, but my theory is also they're safe. Oh it's
a known commodity.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
But like absolutely, we don't have to save All we
have to do is ride the gravy taint train of
a of a known entity and what'll make money.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah that's true. But but again, like you know, say,
when Frank Miller came in and changed Batman, those are
that was a very different style art and everything. So
that yes. I mean, you know, it goes. It goes
very easily into the avenue of what Hollywood actually do,
which is just you know, put another slap, another label
(34:02):
on it and call it the same goddamn thing.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Right.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Comics specifically have that luxury.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yes, they do on the page. And I guess on
on on on film or yeah, on digital or it's
not called film anymore. I can't say that anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Oh, I send me in a film star. Tek Is
is a similar animal. I mean, uh, and it's it's uh,
it's I think it's for a forever thing now. I
think I just they just released the new images from
the new show. The staff of the Academy show, uh,
and Jim Assi looks great. I gotta say, they.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Just want to you know. I just look at that
and they go, what are we doing here? Oh my god,
we're in the Academy and I lost my homework. I mean,
what what are the episodes about?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I don't know what he is. There is a a
slide ruin.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
The only thing that they can do is, oh my god,
class is canceled.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
We have to get pastor and study hall.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
It might be why they held off on this for
about thirty years.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah really, yeah, it's been a while. I'll talk about
this one for a long time.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You know, Pocardo is what probably is a teacher.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Right. He's a lucky fucker, is what he is.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah. Well he's also got some chops, but yeah, we've
got a lot of He's also a computer.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Right, yes, yeah, he's a yeah, yeah, I can't kill him.
We should talk a bit more about our episode. Look
at some of my notes, so they get rescued answer
into pull from the firefight, The Vulcans are rigid in
(35:51):
thinking about the failures of value to pul service saval.
Gary Graham acknowledges her loyalty and grants her a temporary
reprieve to remain on the ship.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
I'd say the odds are pretty good, you're gonna be
with us for a while longer.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
And uh and that in her staining deepens her connection
to the crew. And I got this is the beginning
of to Paul becoming.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
You know, it's the big question, isn't it. It gets
addressed around this time in the first season about her
vulcanness and her desire to maybe open.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Up, Yeah, right, become evolve a little bit. Yeah, yeah,
I'd like this episode two because it does sort of
in a way explore the Andrians sense of well, you
(36:56):
know you you you you basically can into our rescue
and and Dorian incident and in and in our culture
that means I owe you.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, and I love you today, Jeff, that you say
I haven't slept well.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I haven't.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Slept well since our encounter at the Vulcan Sanctuary.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yes, that's a that's a lovely little I love that.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I haven't slept well.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I haven't haven that I that I am. I owe you.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
But because I haven't, that's why I haven't slept well.
Because they don't like and Dorians do not like owing
any favors to anyone. So if you're beholden to someone
does something for you, your your your order about to
equalize that.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
You know, I don't like being indebted to anyone.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Leased to voll your captain and then point out to
them that were even my debt he's repaid.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah right, and now yeah, now we'll hold off. It's
a bard again.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
But we do get inklings of of the evolution of
and Dorian human relationships here and that because of you know, Scott,
let's talk Scott. I mean he's solid as a rock,
you know, But that I think I can trust these guys.
I have such a thin skin to trust anyone. But man,
(38:31):
just hope me spring eternal. If I if this, maybe
I can trust them. Yeah, and that's uh, that's a
big step.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah, and you keep coming back.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Thank god.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
We gotta have you back when it comes to some
more shrind episode.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
We have some more episodes coming up.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, some really good ones too. And it's good to see.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Man.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
You're gonna be in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Uh, definitely, we're gonna be there. Just sudden, Hey, I
got you know, the rat pack and okay, every everything.
Maybe you guys are going to be gone by the time.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Actually yeah, that that that that Nicholin Diming is with
the hotel rooms this time around.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
They heard that. They heard that.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
We're flying in Wednesday morning and leaving Saturday nights.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
And you feel the love, the love.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
You feel the love? Yeah, are you going to Orlando?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I'm going to Orlando?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Is he going to be there? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Okay, good good. Once again, I fly in on a Friday,
and we do our show Saturday and our day and
then Sunday I fly away.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
So well we just we just sit down and hold
ourselves for three or four days and then go home.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
I'll come find you, Okay, I believe said that. When
do you guys leave.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
I say, there's a public service.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, when you guys leave Vegas.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
I'm going Saturday night, I think, Yeah, Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I arrived Saturday night, so there other all right, Well.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
We've been the rat Pack. I've been three years running now,
and you guys are just great, and really we should
get that a moment's well.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
I appreciate that. We were sure our little brotherhood there
and we we have a real good time. We get along,
and I don't know how much longer we'll be doing it. Frankly,
that's going to be there this year or is it
will be there?
Speaker 1 (40:25):
That's wonderful. Yeah, that's really good.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, we're very very good. And he'll be in Orlando.
Apparently he starts seeing if he can, uh, you know,
be up for it. But that's that's the plan.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
You guys are amazing, you really are.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
It's and out there.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
If you've not seen the rat Pack at a convention,
do yourself an absolute favor. And and and because I
know you guys wind up typically doing the end of
the show and end of a convention. Yes, people stick
around because it is not to be missed.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
It's always sort of disconcerting when I'm there on a
Sunday and I go down the elevator and people are
got their suitcases in their head. Now you know what
I'm like. But you're not gonna stay until tomorrow and.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
See what they're missing out. You know, it's a really
really polished show. And you know, the songs are fantastic.
They're they're they're poignant, they're moving, and they're hilarious.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
And we try to we try to do it all,
you know, laugh.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
As I said of mine, and the is hilarious.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
I just, uh, I just heard a joke. I talked
to Ethan and I told him, you guys want to
hear a joke you probably you might not tell this.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
You actually heard a joke from Ethan.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
No tell every time I hear needs to hear that.
So here's the joke and then I'll leave you guys. Right,
guy goes to Vegas and he meets this ravishing woman.
She's gorgeous, and they hit it off right away. They
are just harmonious and laugh and they cry and the
(42:17):
food is lovely, and the drinks are flowing, and that's
just one of the most incredible days in late evenings,
and of course they wake up in bed together in
the morning and they really kind of don't remember what happened,
but they do notice that there's on the side table
(42:38):
a marriage certificate and he goes, wow, okay, well, oh wow,
you know I'm willing to I'm willing. Hey, listen, I'm
willing to give this a show. But I feel I
have to tell you something. It's very, very important to me.
I love golf. Golf is my world. It's the center
of my life. I watch it, I play it, I
(43:01):
bet on it. I can't live without golf. It just
just encompasses my life. So if you can accept me
for who I am and my golfing, I'm willing to
to stick with you on this. And she says, wow,
that is that is that's amazing. That's so touching that
(43:25):
you do you want to kind of open up to
me that way. I have a confession to make to you.
And he says, okay, this is good. Okay, what is it?
She says, I'm a hooker and he says, oh, well, okay,
oh maybe it's your grip.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Oh my god, gentlemen, Jeffrey Holmes.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
But I tell you, maybe it's your grip.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
It's your grip. You're over swinging.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah right, that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
It's good to see Jeff. We'll see you because love
you the way. Goodbye in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
All right, yeah, take over. It's a handoff. You can
hand me the baton, I'll take over. You shut him up,
I'll buck him.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Down nice if you're doing the show Man name.
Speaker 6 (44:23):
I love you two guys, all right, bye, bye
Speaker 1 (45:23):
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