October 19, 2025 • 58 mins
Connor Trinneer and Dominic Keating watch Star Trek: Enterprise's "Vox Sola", where the NX-01 is boarded by mysterious goop that quickly takes the Captain and Trip hostage. Can Hoshi learn to communicate with this 'lone voice' before Malcolm blows it to smithereens?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The show has begun with Carr.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's the.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Conch ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, trekkies and trekkers.
Welcome back to another watch party episode of the Decon Chamber.
Today we are going to be looking at episode twenty
two Box Sola. As always, I am with my best
(00:27):
friend and co host Dominic Keatinghi there, guys, looking forward
to this. This was There's a great story at the
end of this that I'll tell I've told before any
of you know. But written by fred Drekker fred Dekka Decker,
sorry Decker, and directed by Roxane Dawson.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It was.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
This was Roxanne's second episode after the Andorian incident, so
she came back for her second go.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It was a big episode for her. A lovely title.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And when you think of its reference to the organism
that we meet, which has been come separated from its
larger but one whole organism, I think it's rather poetic
the title.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I do too, and I think that, you know, I
look back on these episodes and I've watched, I've gotten
I've gone about four or five ahead of us. Now
what we talk about in these episodes at this period
of time, in our first season are so timely for
right now.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It's sad that they're still so pertinent and relevant that.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, I mean I agree, and you know, history does
nothing more than repeat itself.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So at the beginning of the episode, we meet a
race called the Cretessians.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Okay jazz Ski Jazz Glass Sight, who have.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Come to We're not really true sure why they've come.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I think we just bumped into them, and then we
invite them aboard. There's an interesting bit of trivia that
was Vaughn Armstrong plays I think the lead Cretassian Sasso,
and that was his twelfth appearance on Star Trek. Unrecognizable,
(02:29):
but nevertheless, dear Vaughn Armstrong, and we offend them wholeheartedly.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
We don't know what we've done.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
What we've done is food in front of them.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
We've eaten food in front of them, which apparently is like,
you know, conjugal sex.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And uh yeah, puritan Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And anyway, as they storm off all ticked off, unbeknownst
to asking them, I guess they have been.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Had a go away.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Aboard their ship is the organism that we never never named,
but it's a you know, a bit of c G
I which Gowey gets aboard and finds its way down
into one of the storage units I guess on the.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Ship that we used.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Essentially to hide.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yes, and there so then the episode sort of moves
on and you you're Captain.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Archer, Scott Jonathan Archer is all.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
He takes this quite heavily that he's offended this race
so deeply.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Houses mood now might not be the best time, and
he's sulking almost in his radio.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
He's annoyed.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
He's annoyed.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And then you try, and you come along and try
and sort of, you know, poke him out.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Of it with versus Stanford water pull up.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Well, you've got prime rib first and whatever, it doesn't
move the needle.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Prime reb tonight, real horse readdish.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
But then you've got a.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Copy of Stanford versus Texas water Polo.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Stanford versus Texas the finals for the fans to know
this that that Rick Berman's son at the time was
playing water polo.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It wasn't and and.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
He he used water polo as you know, one of
Archer's hobbies habits, one of the things about him and
the story why that's why it was water polo.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Right, Yeah, where did where did Rick's sun Go.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Was it Yale? I won't say that was? What was
it Yale?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
This was?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I think he was at Harvard West Lake. I don't
know where.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Oh that's where I'm confusing, because I do remember when
Harvard or Yale coming up.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, I think he was at Harvard bus Lake and
Harvard bust Lake is one of the academically and even
maybe more so athletically. They care a lot about it.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It's interesting that dear Porthos with all of his especially
the beagle.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Have you ever been stopped by the beagle at the airport?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I have?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yes, they have very sensitive note and uh, and he
knows what's up.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Well, yeah, he sniffs about one of the events up there,
and this is you know, it's also interesting that really
this episode is almost about the dangers of not being
on point at all times, because he's in a bad
mood about the Cretassians and Trip comes in and offers
(05:53):
him the game and they're not paying attention anymore, and
all of a sudden something happens.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
That's right, that's right, this sort of you know, the
lights go out, don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
The sticky happens as we're you know, eat retzels and
drinking beer.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So the first one is to go searching to see
what's a miss is Joseph will is a guest star.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
He plays Rostov.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And he goes down there with he He actually, if
I remember rightly, he guested on Voyager too. We watched
an episode called Muse when we were interviewing someone else
and I'm trying to think who that was.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
But he was on mu. He was a guest. He
was a guest on Muse.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I'll tell you who it is. It was Susan and
Diaz and I'll tell you why, because Susie had told
me when our show first started that there was a
friend of hers who also tested for trip and it
was Joe was it?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Now?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I'd never met him in the well, I never you'd
been around, and they were thinking about him for a
trip and you know that must.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Be quite tough too, did they? I guess he went
through an audition process and then to come that.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Always is I've talked about it a little bit. Yeah,
did you Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I mean, did he did he bring it up that
he'd been or did you know from Susan that.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
He was the guy? I knew?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Because look, where what is this episode? This is twenty two,
so by that point i'd known it and Joe and
Susie they were good friends, all right.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, I mean I have a hard time, you know,
I watched the Emmys. Was it last night or the
night before Sunday night. I have a hard time looking
at award shows, man, I it's it's you know, I'm
happy for the people that win and everything, but you know, yeah,
I wanted to be there.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
No, it's funny you say that, you know, and you've
said this to me before. And our friend Eddie mclint
talk all right, did the same thing, and he's like,
I can't even watch these things.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I really felt for I mean, we won't digress too much,
but I really felt for Colin Farrell losing out to
Stephen Graham for adolescents. I mean not to say that
Stephen Graham's performance wasn't mesmerizing, but my word, I mean
Colin Farrell's performance in Penguin was just a tour de force.
I mean, I mean, this is getting up at two
(08:28):
in the morning and putting on all that stuff to
then transform yourself vocally, physically.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I mean I could see this.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I could see the sadness almost in his eyes when
they cut to him.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, it's one of those things.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I mean, you know, if I can't win for that,
what am I gonna win for?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Let me put it this way. You know, we are
in an art form. Yeah, it's you know, there are
not a lot of trophies for the art.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Worms now and obviously the Academy just I mean and
rightfully so tore up adolescents. It's uh, it's an extraordinary piece.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Of extraordinary I mean it is it is something of
nothing else.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
The kid Yeah, yeah, well, you know a couple of
years ago didn't really want to get into this acting thing.
Well I was, I was nothing about three years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I'm here now, so.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, brilliant, just give it a go.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
It happens.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
See what happens? Hey, Well what I got anyway?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
So Rostov and and then Elisee what's her name renee
Elise Goldbury, who played crewman Kelly. Who's the other one
that goes down and gets initially entrapped by the tendrils
of the sola or Gilly.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Here it comes out to you. She then went on
to have enormous success.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
He was the original Angelica on Hamilton in on Broadway.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Really.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, to be.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Honest, we we actually reached out to her people, Lisarah did,
and she's long gone. Star Trek is long in the
in the rear view mirror, I'm afraid. But yeah, she
obviously had massive success and it's never going to look back.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I mean, I will say, just before we continue on
with what happens to them, is that, you know, we're
given a bit of a you know, a golden key
when she's having a bad day about her ability to
translate what's going on.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
The same word can have.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
A dozen different meanings.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
We rely on you to recognize the different sens you.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
You, Anthony and Linda have a really nice scene in
the mess hall about you know what the movie is
gonna be and then and and she's, you know, not
in a good spot. No thanks, I'm turning in early.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
No, there's a great addendum to that little messal scene.
And I'm sure when this finally gets edited, it'll it'll
come up. Dorothy, who used to do all the cooking
for us, just was amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
God resting.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So have her cookbooks?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yes, yeah, and uh, and there's a there's a there's
an outtake of me where I either corpse or just
go up, or I'm just so heavily.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Into the prime rib that's on my plate and it's
rather amazing.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
You might need a translator.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
The subtitles go by pretty fast.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Had enough language problems for one day. Mm hmm. Didn't
the scene itself? Yeah, pointing at it with your fork.
(12:08):
Remember how uncomfortable they look when the captain tried to
shake their hands.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Not acting at all there exactly, just easy, peasy lemon squeeze. Yeah,
she did make delicious dishes.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I mean, god, bless, I used to.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Honestly, I used to take, you know, just boxes of
it home and have it for days.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
If I knew I was eating in a scene, I
wouldn't have an.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I wouldn't need you know, exactly, because you knew that
they were going to be eating in the scenes.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Is tricky. You've really got to be on your game,
because I didn't.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I was terrible at it.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Bontus is very difficult unless you're really clever at knowing
that on this line, here is the moment, and repeat
it over and over.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I mean, you know, there was a point early on
where you know, I had all episodes we're eating in
the Captain's mess where I was just going to keep eating.
You know, I was still in the scene with everyone,
but I'm gonna keep.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Now you're clunking all your cutlery, aren't you Exactly? No
one else is close up.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, it took my food away from me like a
rubber a rubber piece that I could.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, we want to where are we at? So? Yes,
so we go down there. They get, they get, so,
they get, they get tendrilled by the vox solar guy.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Uh and before we know it, they're just being in
in case and wrapped in in its tendrils and uh,
well how else to describe it. It's it's you know,
uh propitious goop.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah all that it was a goofy web.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, I made that stuff from but do you remember?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Oh yeah, So obviously you can see in the episode
that there are plastic tendrils that are wrapping us, but
everything that covered us And there's a great scene where
Trip is freaking out and you can see all the
goo on his neck. What they made that with was
the ingredient that makes McDonald's milkshakes thick and ky jelly.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And we had gallons of it. The porn industry must
have stopped in the valley because.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
We thought it was dry for a week.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Oh, I was pulling it out of my hair out
of the other episode where you know we we talk
about this, but you know that that episode Vox Sola
where you know we're covered in all that ky jelly
and mixture.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
It was responsible for that. Was that makeup or was
that props? No, that was us, that was you.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, you just had good buckets of that crap, just
just trolling it out.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
That was like like a couple of in England when
you do paintings decorating, you you can either do it
tosh or posh or budget and leg it.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
And you were like budget and leg it. Yeah. There
was no rhyme reasons, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
It was just the showers in Did we have showers
in the We did, didn't we in the in the trailers?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
They weren't great.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
They were like sort of like spitting on you.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, I don't ever remember, true, I don't ever remember
really showering at the in the trail. Same here, bad
stuff you had to yeah, yeah, unless you were just
prepared to get in a trap suit.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And imagine driving home, goop up your car, pulling you over.
You haven't showered and you've got.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
This match of hair with jelly and I've just come
from chating. Oh yes, sir, We're like, sorry, I haven't
had a thing to drink, but what's on my hair?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Well, let me tell you, officer.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
That's hilarious. So what else is the notes? Uh?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Sarah pointed out that so, of course we don't have
a holidayck on our ship because we're too soon. So
we still have movie night, which is rather cute.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Two hours and twenty four minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
It seems roughly long for a movie about four men
in a truck. You'll be on the edge of your seat,
you promised me. Explosions.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Don't worry. It's a true foul film, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
It is the Wages of Fear, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
That we that I really want to watch, And then
what do we end up watching? Is it?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
No, we don't watch anything because what happens is is.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, the lights go out. It's just about is.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
It, you know, infected and influenced? What's happening for You're
watching Doctor Flox sitting there on the table working on something,
and then go out and say this isn't the movie.
Can someone help us out?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
We're trying to watch a movie down here, but instead
we're being treated to a view of you. So unless
you're planning on giving us a little song and dance,
maybe you could see what's going wrong. I mean, do
some flashlights acting when you know, Malcolm and his Mary
crew go down to you know, investigate unless you love
the flashlight acting that Marvin used.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
To get us to do.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And I'm more, people are taken. Two of my guys
are taken, aren't they? And I narrowly escape. I first
found that acting the hardest to do when you're just
basically in a vacuum and pretending. And we had no
I had no idea what this thing looked like. We
(18:00):
were just told that it was going to be tendrils
and yeah, something like an octopus perhaps.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Or you had the same thing that I had where
when I get wrapped into it, I'm there's nothing wrapping me.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I was just real acting wrapped right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
my my.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I mean I always found those reaction shots the hardest,
and I think I I just.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
About sort of got away with it.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
You got it. But the thing that the other thing too,
is that you know in this and we've seen now
these twenty two episodes. Very rarely did I find myself
as a viewer, especially now, looking at something and going.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Like nah, right, that didn't work.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
That didn't work, and and and that the CGI of
that little worm piece, Yeah, like.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
That was I mean, it's it was a tricky I
was cg. I was so new in those days, and
so you know, as we say.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Other than new inceptional, it was in its inception and.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
It's it's tough to you know, to criticize it beyond
what they were capable of doing. I mean, and I
think Ron Moore be more who would have been in
charge of that, probably with Dan Curry, you know, they overall,
you know, it was it's you know, it's the sets
(19:29):
not wobbling.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
So there you go, Right, no offense to the early series,
but you know we had very little of that. When
you go look back at different episodes from you know,
the Legacy series, sometimes you're like, oh yeah, oh no, no, yeah,
you know, we had very little of that, and that's
why I think to me it was a bit highlighted.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yes, yeah, there's a nice scene between me and Flox
when we get.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
That piece of tendril back to the sick bay, to the.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Medical department to investigate, and you know, Malcolm wants to
you know, basically put it through us.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Wants to blow it up.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
If you intend to pummel his appendage with em radiation
until it cries for mercy, I'm afraid I can't permit that.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
And and Flox, it's a it's a nice it's a
good scene. It's it's quite an important scene about you know,
what we're here to do and what our mission might be.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Rather than yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Would also add the scene that you get told Malcolm
has with Hoshi into Paul when you know, are we
there yet or when she's asking about trying to find
the language and to Paul's like, no, you've already was that?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Is that after this or that comes just a bit
after Yes initially, so, yes, Hoshi wants to talk to it.
I want to blast it with em radiation, but it's
going to hurt it, and I guess it's host to
the rescue.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, but there is a nice scene. There isn't there between.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
To come back to that scene you have with John.
That was really nice. I mean it was it was
really interesting. And again I keep coming back to these
sort of like there's timely elements to you know, the
storytelling that we were doing, and you know your your
pardon my French heart on for going on and you know,
sort of torturing this thing versus John saying this is
(21:25):
a sentient, intelligent life.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
And I'm not going to let you do that.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
In less than an hour, that thing could spread across
half a day.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I'm willing to help you, mister Reid, but not if
it means torture in this organism. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
It isn't our mission to try to better understand unique
forms of life.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It's a good scene, you know, And I take it
on the chin, poutingly as it were, and defer to
his you know, we're in his you know, we're in
his house.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
That's right, exactly, He unless the captain says he's not. Yeah,
he's the one who runs it.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I'm sure I don't have to remind you, doctor, I
am the ranking officer, not in my sack.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Be so.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yes, Starfleet has been working on this stable force field.
And I go off to my house, the armory department,
and start tinkering around to see if we can get this,
uh this up and running as some sort of you know,
(22:28):
barrier exactly to go in there so that Hoshi can
can come and hopefully talk to it. Starffink's been working
on creating a stable em barrier for the last five years,
a force field, right, They just haven't found a way
to control the particle density and in the meantime.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
In the meantime, what happens is is that we begin
to realize and learn that this is an organism that
it's not taken us prisoner. It is now enveloping us
into a one organism thing.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's this life for it.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
It's linking us together somehow.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, that's lovely, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It's in the in the stress, the stirm and drang
of the episode is is as that's continuing, we have
to find a way to separate to get the rest
of the people out.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, it's a really, it's a very It's it is
poetic that that that that you're all now entwined and
all your thoughts are entwined in one thought. Hence Vox
solar and and I like the Captain's sort of pep
talk to the team who were all you know, strung up.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
What was I thinking? You thought.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
You could win every game? You always thought you could win,
no matter how far behind you work.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
If we think positively that we can get out of this,
that is.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
The smartest thing we can do, right.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
The trip of the initial part of that scene is like,
I gotta get out of here. Yeah, and he's.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Like, and it just times its grip on you.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I mean it's like, what am I thinking?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Really really lovely, that isn't it? And the shared memory
that we can we can always win. What was the
what was the spat that Hoshi and to Paul have
around this time in the episode?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
So initially, in the very beginning, Hoshi is having a
heart because it's the whole thing about having, you know,
eating food in front of people or not. And we're
walking down the hallway and she's struggling and confused and
trying to translate what the protests are saying. That's what
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really bummed her out right, that she didn't she wasn't
doing she wasn't getting it right. And then she has
that scene with Paul uh where she says to her, basically,
I just feel like you're criticizing everything that I do
right and.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Half done since we got on board this ship.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
You've been looking over my shoulder ever since you came
on board, double checking my log entries, my translations.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
It's my job.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
So ho, She's journey in this. Her arc in this
was her ability to one trust in her skills and
to people to ask for help because she's not good
at the math. Because it looks like calculus, right, high
level of calculus. Yes, And then to Paul, not begrudgingly,
(25:42):
but to Paul unexpectedly, I think recognized that she needed
to help.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, you asked for my help.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I didn't ask for you to keep count of every
time I make a mistake or to second guess all
of my decisions, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
And then that's all fashion. It comes off a little,
you know, sort of what's the word.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Well, I didn't mean what I said.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, if you.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Feel I've been unfair to you, I apologize, but I
hold you to a high standards and because I know
you're capable of achieving it.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
It's a good scene there between the two of them,
say so then Travis. This is where Travis then connects
with the Cretassians again and finds out what we've done
to offend them. We're really reaching out to them to say,
did you know that when you're left, something might have come.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Aboard from your with you?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, and that's what we have to apologize again. Yes,
and we have to apologize again the apology episode.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
We will send you the coordinates, but first you must
apologize to us for your offense, and we apologize to
them for eating, you know, in front of them on
your ship.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
You put food in your mouths. You mean eat? Yes,
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
It is like mating. It is very offensive to us.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I mean that I love the old access stories and
I love actors, but have you ever eaten with one?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Also to the first thing I thought was well, how
did they have sex?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Then you're right, yeah, well there's teeth. Who knows.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
But you know, it's set up a sort of a
funny aside to that. Yeah, I love that. You know.
All of a sudden, Travis realizes, he's like.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I'm the captain.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Oh yeah, they've learned English double smart quick, which is
rather cute.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
You speak English. We studied your database.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
It wasn't difficult, and so we can have this conversation
with him, and they also are aware of where this
organism's planet is and where it came from. Yeah, they
give us I think they give us the coordinates.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
After the apology, after the apology.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, So I've now got the force field ticking, and
I've gone back down there and I've sticked stuck e
missus on the wall, and that gives ho shee the
chance and the safety to come down and try and
talk to it.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Well, here's a question for you regarding that scene specifically.
So anytime that that organism felt what light, it was
very sensitive to and it would strangulate anything that came
to it, it was clearly a being that was cornered
and had taken hostages because it was cornered. That's the
(28:52):
way I looked at it. But anytime, you know, when
you walked in the first scene and saw before we
all know the Captain and trip had taken you know,
you've got the flashlight on and Captain's like lights off
the light because the light is what is scaring it, right,
(29:16):
So having that electrical field that it couldn't do anything to,
I didn't quite understand how like you know, like in
the in the in the bible of the episode. So
if that was a thing, wouldn't it have like retreated
and then just strangulated more.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Well, I guess, I mean, I suppose the the the
ruse is, or rather the gag we used to call
these things in TV land, is that it just gives
how she enough you know, safe space to go in
there and communicate with it, which she does as if
my memory says.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Me right, that ultimately is you know, she figures out
the numerical combination how to communicate with this being. It's
giving us coordinates. It's home world. The cretasms already gave
them to us. These look more like the latitude and longitude.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I think it's trying to give us an exact location
on the planet.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
So and then we find out where it's from and
uh or we let it know that we know where
it's from.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
It's funny, though, I have to say this that I
watched it yesterday and today, and I'm watching it today
and my step son che comes downstairs and he's like,
what is that sound? And I was like, I know,
(30:44):
it sounds like a bad wheel on like a shopping cart.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
And I was like, well, it's a language, one of
these alien speaks.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Has he ever seen him on this on the show before?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Let's asper ever watched your son.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
He's a he's a Star Trek fan. Yeah, he's watched.
He's watched a lot.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Oh god.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
In fact, when when you know, when I was when
he was a kid, I tried to introduce it to
him specifically, like you know, during COVID, and he got,
you know, not happening, not really kidding? Yeah, And then
he got.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
When did the when did this the Star Trek interest?
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Friends?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Really?
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, his his his buddies, his very good friends.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
He must be a star in their circle.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Well yeah, I mean his buddy Ezra and his brother Miles,
big Star Trek fans.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
And you know what that Gateway show was, as it were,
was it one of the more the newer ones like
Discovery or New Strangers.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
It's all of ours, it's all the legacy, legacy stuff.
I would I would think that probably. I'm thinking at
their age, I would think that probably. Look, the next
generation is always the first one that somebody comes to,
and I think that that began that. But you know,
(32:21):
I've never watched an episode with my son, but he's
watched all of the episodes and at one point, again.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I under the blanket with the torch on.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I'd lost you know, I'd lost interest in asking him
about it, and there was one point he was like, yeah,
i've seen I've seen your show, and Dad, you're really good.
I can't tell you the pride pride that came like like.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Like warm milk. That's lovely.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I mean I've never I never knew that that he
was a covert secret star Trek fan.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Mean it fits now that you say it, that that's
his you know, jam I can see that.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I mean he's a libral.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
You can tell he's very thoughtful and uh, not especially
interested in sports. I'm not saying they're all not interested
in sports, but we're supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, but that's really that's what. It's really lovely.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Yeah, you know, it's funny that you mentioned this. I
hadn't thought about this in a very long time.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
And what did you think of me?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
It's like, Darm's the British guy, right, is that.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
His British accent?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
That's fine, but it was, it was, it was. It
was one of those moments because you know, I've I've
never been someone who's like, son, you should watch my work.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I don't blurry I'm sorry coming back too much laughing.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Well, I've never really been one to be like, you know, hey, son,
watch my work, you know, YadA, YadA, YadA, and for
him to independently find the penultimate thing that I think
I've done and then to offer up his opinion on that. Yeah,
it's one of those.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
By the way, you're very your bloody marvelous in the show.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
It's whenever I watched the episodes now and it was like, yeah, yeah,
we were a good cast and a cohesive cast too,
and you know, God knows well. I mean, we just
shot an episode for Shuttle Pod one, which is coming
(34:41):
out very soon, probably in a couple of weeks after
this or something, and and we discussed, you know, extensively
with I don't want to give too much away, but
we discussed extensively, you know, the whole series of of
Enterprise and and and especially that episode in particular. But
(35:05):
we spend a lot of time talking about the whole
you know, caboodle of our show.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
And well, yeah, I think I think that and they
we talk about this, and I think that you the
fans are really going to enjoy this episode that we're
being cagey about is that one or two things have
to happen for your character to flourish in that environment.
(35:31):
And one of them is is they have to give
you an opportunity so that they know early enough on
that you can somewhat wear a crown.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
And the second thing that has to happen, which I
think is actually more important, is that that they hear
your voice in the writing of it. Yeah, and they
hear your voice in the relations that you have within
the show. And those are two vital things because.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
They're looking for that. It's not like they've sat down
and discussed this eight months in advance.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
They have not.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
They're begging for it. I mean, you know, it's almost
like it's almost like in casting. When I really believe
this too, was like anybody that comes in they want
you to be the guy they want they want you
to their job would be done if they find you.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah. Right, So where are we?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
So we're so Yeah, the emitsus work how she manages
to communicate with the guy the Vox Solar, and we
find out where it's from, and the expedition is set
to take it back to its home world, Tendrill World.
I wrote, Yeah, I thought of a theme park, and
(36:44):
it finally releases you and the captain and crew and
Kelly and Rostov and did anyone?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Does anyone? Why?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Why? Because we why? I found myself I felt like
we skipped over something in.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
The because it no longer needs protection, as how is it?
Speaker 3 (37:08):
How does it? How does it know that it's no
longer in danger?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yes, especially with Malcolm standing there, Well, yeah, you've got
the whole barrier.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
And this thing is loading up his photon.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Ultimately it's because she's able to communicate with it.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yes, ultimately, I mean she she she alleviates any stress
that it's feeling and then says, look, we're here to help,
and we know where you're from, and we're taking.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
You back there. Tell it, we're taking it.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Back, and and it released, It releases its grip on
all four of you.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Did any no one? No one dies in the episode,
do they?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I don't think you don't get cast as a series regular,
You're going to die at some point.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I was wearing a red shirt. That's just me. I'm
not sure, honestly.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I guess you've got to take the work when you
get it, But yeah, I don't know if I could
join a show with knowing you.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, it was, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Usurped by that fella. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. I mean,
you know, God knows that. You know, we've all got
these stories. But Stephen Graham pinched a part of me
quite early on. For Michael Mann's daughter was doing her
first movie down in Florida or somewhere, and it was
(38:23):
to play some sort of you know, you know, shit
kicking redneck and he was just really you know, he'd
already done Gangs of New York and uh, you know
he was He did a movie called This Is England,
which was a big hit, and he you know, and he, my.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
God, he could be fearfully scary.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
When he had Snatch already happened or not yet.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Snatch was probably in between those. I think, No, I
think Snatch was first. Actually no, you're right, Snatch was first,
and then Gangs of New York I think, uh, and.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, anyway, yeah, I was pretty close. I know.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
They came back a few times, but then he stepped
in and got it. The film went nowhere. But you know,
it's those ones that you that you need to get,
as you say, early on in a career, you know,
you need to get those jobs to Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
To give you the bona fides, to give you the energy. Yeah,
to do what you can, go on and make adolescents,
so you can go on, you know, play al Capone.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
And yes, exactly, and he was. And then I watched
recently again The Irishman, which I'd not seen, and he
to toe with Pacino in those.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Scenes Florida in a hotel room. Yeah, the Irishman.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, when he's late and he's late. Yeah, yeah, he's good.
You know, he's fearless. It's what he is. And that's
what the kid was talking about.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
And I've always I used to describe it too about
if you bottle in a scene, like if you try
and you know, not go for it, that's when it
that's when you've got egg all over your chin.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
You've got to go for it, no holes barred.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
You've got to know your lines backward, sideways, upside down
and round the back, and then just go for it.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
And then hope.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
If you need a director to help you with some
you know, nuance or toning down, but best to go high,
go in high, and then have someone tone you down.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Come in with guns, guns blazing, guns blazing, and if
and if and if they need to tell you that,
you know what it's it's not all six out of
the out of the gun, four of them. You can
you can you know that you know what that means.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
It's very hard to get an actor who starts it
just doesn't have a level up here to get them
to get there or even halfway up.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
It's a trickier part.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
It's scary.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
It is it's it's it's you know, we know what
it's like. You know, you've got fifty to sixty five
people on the other side of that camera, all looking
at their watch, waiting for lunch.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Exactly, and you're also laying yourself bear.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
And you're laying yourself bear.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, you really are. And yeah, it's it's an honorable craft.
I've often said it, and I'm very proud to have
to have done it these forty years and.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Hopefully us and hookers.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah, we're not cutting that out. It's about the same money.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Right, you know.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Last performance, what else did I write some trivia about
the show we've we've we've gone through with Renee. It
was Roxanne's second episode twelve Vaughn's twelfth episode of doing
Star Trek, and we've sort of covered the Gammas of this.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Yeah, I'll just end with the story.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, oh yes, so yes, So we've.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Spent I believe two full days, long days, stuck in
this goo. And it's the last scene. In fact, in
watching the episode, I didn't realize that Hoshi and to
Paul are there and Malcolm's there too, right, you're all
in the room. But the actual lowering of us was
(42:40):
the last thing we had to do.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
But he was gone.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
You know. We had the moment of like, are you okay?
And then we lower us and we lower us and
we've been up there for so long because you know,
the longer the night goes, everybody's trying to, you know,
speed up, and it's like, now I don't worry about it.
It don't We don't have to do anything. We don't
have to have a break. Let's just keep going and
going and going. And so we we finished the last scene,
(43:09):
the last shot. We're being lowered down Scott and my
leg they don't work because we've just been like that
for so long. We've been scrib we're and we're freezing. Yeah,
we come down. We're covered in this well on stage
nine just must have been yeah, yeah, And we come
(43:32):
down and drop down and we kind of just crumple
and they take surgical scissors and cut out, cut us
out from our uniforms from the back because we can't
get out of them.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
The zips probably don't work nothing.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
And so we get pulled out. We're sitting there, We've
got blankets on us, we're freezing. And then yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Gary, isn't it Gary?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
This is this is still season one where we show
on film.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
And this is the only time this has happened in
my entire career. But you hear about this comment that
people have spoken about, and we're done. We think we're done,
and everybody's like and Gary comes up, the sweetest guy,
he was very good. Yeah, and and and he says, hey,
hold hold, we have a hair in the lens. And
(44:32):
we were like, whoa, where is it from? Who's stupid
eyelash got thrown in there? And so hair in the
gate is the is the real here in the gate?
Speaker 2 (44:46):
In the gate?
Speaker 3 (44:48):
And and so Roxanne she's like, I'm sorry you guys,
we have to go again. So take off the blankets.
We slither back into this goopy freezing and then they
show the back of our costumes up.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Oh my word.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
You know, since us back up there and we do
it again and we come back down.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
That's professional acting, mate, that's right.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
You know what that's earning your paycheck, that really is Yeah,
I mean I yeah, I mean, you know I said
to Scott once, give me a legal show, put me
in a nice suit, and he went out, you'd be
bought to tears dom.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, well let me try it.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah, uniforms though, the very last scene where you release Gooeye,
I was so happy that I saw myself not in
that scene in the EV suits you know, you fly Linda.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, that would have been the icy on the cake
that you right. You had to you had to get
tugged up in the EV suits to send it on
its very way.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Sorry, guys, oh here you missed a bit.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Yeah, exactly, here's your little brother.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah. Uh man, that stuff must have got everywhere.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
It stayed for for quite some time. I mean I
remember them pulling it out of my hair for for days.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
They would just congeal and yeah it would hide.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah, I mean I remember, like, you know, when my
chest t would be like what.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Oh it's like yeah, it's like yeah, it really looked
like snot really didn't it.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Yeah, they did a very good job at the combination
of products they used.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
I wonder where do you have any idea where they
got the idea to mix in you said, McDonald's mulsifying
thickening short.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Where would they get that idea?
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Think part of the secret of you know, design, They
know this.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
It's a very good episode and for Rox Andrew come
in and do this as her second one, you know,
she was, you know, I always remember how incredibly well
prepared she was. Oh you know, I literally she had
a folder that was shot my shot literally written out.
(47:28):
Extraordinary preparation, almost to.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
The point where she also period a very good energy,
probably had the show. She had a good energy about,
you know, and an honesty too. I remember in the
one of the I think it was the first scene
first episode we did with her, that I was asked
to go do something by her her shot set up, yeah,
and I was like, well, why am I going there?
(47:52):
All these things you get you give up later, but
I was like, well why am I going there? And
she was like, I don't know, I need you to
be over here figure it out, dude. I was like, oh,
I'm going to get a bag.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Of nuts nuts.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Yeah, and I'm not going to bump into the chair
on the way exactly.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yeah, I know. So, I mean look, I mean there
is there.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Sometimes you've just got to cheat it, you know, and
you go, you just got to there is no reason
why you're going there other than I'll move on that
line and.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Work together as a company, Yeah, to make something to
make it look as naturalistic as you possibly can.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
And if their need is unnatural to you, make it
natural yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Unless it's completely you know, yeah, unless it's beyond the
realms of you know, reality, and I'm going to come
out looking at this scene looking like like like an idiot,
then yeah, I don't have any problem at all.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
I just saw Christoph Waltz. He was being interviewed and
he was talking about working with Tarantino, and.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
He was talking the first forty five minutes of Inglorious
is it in Glorious No, Inglorious Jango unchained?
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Oh, Glorious Bastards when he interviews things.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
And in Glorious Bosses of course, but Django un Chained.
I mean, those first fifty minutes just some of the
most sublime filmmaking anyway.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
He's talking to I forget somebody who's worked with Paul
Thomas Anderson a lot as well, all right, and he
said he's he's asked, like, you know, you know, did
you change words? Was it? You know, was there a
lot of improv? And he said none, And he said,
in fact, I can't. I don't like improv. Not take
(49:38):
that as you will, but he said, he said, look,
anytime somebody asks of you, through their text two tell
their story, you're obligated to tell their story and to
lift your level to be able to through yourself tell
(49:59):
the story. And that's what he said. Basically, It was that,
you know, no, there was there was There was not
a word change or a comma or an exclamation that
you know it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Look and we were under the same auspices with It's
well known that you know, they were dead letter perfect
on our show and every comma, every and of them,
but was was was marked.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Yeah, well, I mean you get them right, you had
to go you did it again, yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Ibsen Shakespeare at Chekhov and you're not allowed to like
change networks.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
And uh, you know, and I pride myself now even
when I do get to act that that I spent
time you know. That's that's our job is to spend
as much time with the script as you can, no
matter what it is you're working on, and to be
absolutely word perfect, and if you can, if you can
improve it, then you can go to the writer slash
(50:54):
director on the day and go, look, I've I've I've
embellished some of this a little bit. I've put a
couple of adverbs in which I think work. I'll take
them out if you don't want them.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
But it's not to make it easier on yourself.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
It's it's just it's to make it better. And that's
where you know, a nice collaborative experience with someone that goes, yeah, no,
actually that that's that is better?
Speaker 2 (51:18):
And yeah, I like I just got.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
To do with one scene with Michael Dawn the other
week for his sci fi movie which he's got coming out.
He shot with Michelle Hurd. Congratulations Michelle Hurd becoming the
Treasury Secretary for SAG She must be mad, but God
bless her. And and Marina Curtis is the other lead
(51:44):
in it. And I've got little one middle scene anyway. Yeah,
we shot the other day and I had just a
couple of extra words, and he was like, that's very good,
and that's I always like, I love that when you
hear that from someone that's rather than just say what
I write.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
And I'm like, well, but no.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah, I think it depends on the project, you know,
I think on the person, and I think it depends
on you know, if someone you know, when you talk
about say Tarantino or Paul Thomas Anderson, this is what
it was they were talking about. There will be blood
if you're talking about someone who is trying to craft
their own piece and using you one as a tool,
(52:28):
but also because it's you, that's what they want to
do it.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
No, it doesn't make it hard you exactly, So you
doing it. It's you saying it, but it's you saying
their words.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yeah, they were saying that, you know, ninety five percent
of making the movie is casting and yeah, yeah, and
getting that right and once that set, yeah, you're home dry.
There's a funny well we'll end on this funny Paul
Thomas Anderson.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
There will be blood story. So this was in the day.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
I'm a bafter member and they used to send the
the CDs as it were, the the DVDs rather to
the house and this was such a long film that
it was two DVDs, And what do you know.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
I watched that film back to front and still thought
it was fucking brilliant.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Oh that's what.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
It completely, back to front, that's brilliant.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Second disc first, and and still was like, brilliant film.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Oh my god, that's It's like it's like Paul Thomas
Anderson's Pulp. But he didn't doing it that way.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
I was up for the brother in that God bless
I got. I went down to the to the half
the wire on that one. But the guy they got,
I forget his name.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
He was so good, brilliant. He had those sad eyes and.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yeah, I mean you can't act that. I mean, there
you go, there's casting. You cannot at that.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
That's scene in the brings that with him and yeah. Yeah,
so well, very fun talking to you about Vox Solar
episode twenty two. We're coming to the end of the season,
or the end of our first season.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yeah, we've got four more left.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, and we've got a nice episode coming for you.
We've got two fun ones that are not watched parties,
so watch out for those. And we're always looking for other,
you know, addendums to other than watch parties.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
What else to say for those of you who have
not yet.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Considered becoming a Patreon member, now is the time, it
really is. We we've lot much like NPR. I'm afraid
we lost our backing and we need all the help
we can to produce this show. It's not going into
our pockets. Ladies and gentlemen. Let me tell you, we're
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Speaker 3 (54:59):
We do love it, and we want to keep. Really,
what we want to do, when we've said this before,
is that we want to have this beg an accompaniment
for our series. And we're the ones who were talking
about the episodes of Star Trek. And not to say
that anybody else couldn't, but I think it's important that
we do it.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
I think it's fitting that you know that you and I,
given that we've gone into this arena, that it's you
and I that get to at least have the first
say so about about our show.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
Yeah, you know, I was looking.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
At some.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Instagram stuff and it's all about the sixtieth anniversary next year,
and you know, and Voyage's thirtieth last year, and you know,
no one ever mentions that we had twenty years and
it's our twenty fifth next year, and.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
You know, I will say this, you know, I do
think that time is on our side, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
All of that staying fit, keep alive for it them all.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
I do think that, and especially you know, having watched
this and watched this with a discerning, somewhat critical eye
so that we can talk about these episodes. Gosh, I'm
awfully proud. I mean, look, you're never going to get
home runs every time, but there's nothing wrong with a single.
(56:31):
Some of some of the episodes aren't perfect, but I
will say that, even in this first season, I'm just
mightily impressed. And I'm not trying to patent on the back.
I'm just as a viewer.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
Yeah, they're good shows, and we did twenty six of them.
You know. That's that's that's that's some tough filming.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
Yeah, there's no small chips man, that's a that's a
big hole.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
So, and we talk about this in the Shuttle pub
one episode. I mean the fact that it is that
you and I are, you know, integral members of a
small family group that are affiliated to a.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
TV phenomena called Star Trek.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
I couldn't be more proud at this stage in my
life and career. Thank you all very much for your support,
and please take it to heart what we just said
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Speaker 2 (57:29):
It's just we want to be.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Able to pay for other studio to do it episodes
and and maybe attract you know, some bigger names if
we can actually for them to come on board, you know,
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please all right, until the next time,
The show has begun with Carr.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's the.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Conch ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, trekkies and trekkers.
Welcome back to another watch party episode of the Decon Chamber.
Today we are going to be looking at episode twenty
two Box Sola. As always, I am with my best
(00:27):
friend and co host Dominic Keatinghi there, guys, looking forward
to this. This was There's a great story at the
end of this that I'll tell I've told before any
of you know. But written by fred Drekker fred Dekka Decker,
sorry Decker, and directed by Roxane Dawson.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It was.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
This was Roxanne's second episode after the Andorian incident, so
she came back for her second go.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It was a big episode for her. A lovely title.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And when you think of its reference to the organism
that we meet, which has been come separated from its
larger but one whole organism, I think it's rather poetic
the title.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I do too, and I think that, you know, I
look back on these episodes and I've watched, I've gotten
I've gone about four or five ahead of us. Now
what we talk about in these episodes at this period
of time, in our first season are so timely for
right now.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It's sad that they're still so pertinent and relevant that.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, I mean I agree, and you know, history does
nothing more than repeat itself.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So at the beginning of the episode, we meet a
race called the Cretessians.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Okay jazz Ski Jazz Glass Sight, who have.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Come to We're not really true sure why they've come.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I think we just bumped into them, and then we
invite them aboard. There's an interesting bit of trivia that
was Vaughn Armstrong plays I think the lead Cretassian Sasso,
and that was his twelfth appearance on Star Trek. Unrecognizable,
(02:29):
but nevertheless, dear Vaughn Armstrong, and we offend them wholeheartedly.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
We don't know what we've done.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
What we've done is food in front of them.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
We've eaten food in front of them, which apparently is like,
you know, conjugal sex.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And uh yeah, puritan Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And anyway, as they storm off all ticked off, unbeknownst
to asking them, I guess they have been.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Had a go away.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Aboard their ship is the organism that we never never named,
but it's a you know, a bit of c G
I which Gowey gets aboard and finds its way down
into one of the storage units I guess on the.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Ship that we used.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Essentially to hide.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yes, and there so then the episode sort of moves
on and you you're Captain.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Archer, Scott Jonathan Archer is all.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
He takes this quite heavily that he's offended this race
so deeply.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Houses mood now might not be the best time, and
he's sulking almost in his radio.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
He's annoyed.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
He's annoyed.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And then you try, and you come along and try
and sort of, you know, poke him out.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Of it with versus Stanford water pull up.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Well, you've got prime rib first and whatever, it doesn't
move the needle.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Prime reb tonight, real horse readdish.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
But then you've got a.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Copy of Stanford versus Texas water Polo.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Stanford versus Texas the finals for the fans to know
this that that Rick Berman's son at the time was
playing water polo.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It wasn't and and.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
He he used water polo as you know, one of
Archer's hobbies habits, one of the things about him and
the story why that's why it was water polo.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Right, Yeah, where did where did Rick's sun Go.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Was it Yale? I won't say that was? What was
it Yale?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
This was?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I think he was at Harvard West Lake. I don't
know where.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Oh that's where I'm confusing, because I do remember when
Harvard or Yale coming up.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, I think he was at Harvard bus Lake and
Harvard bust Lake is one of the academically and even
maybe more so athletically. They care a lot about it.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It's interesting that dear Porthos with all of his especially
the beagle.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Have you ever been stopped by the beagle at the airport?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I have?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yes, they have very sensitive note and uh, and he
knows what's up.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Well, yeah, he sniffs about one of the events up there,
and this is you know, it's also interesting that really
this episode is almost about the dangers of not being
on point at all times, because he's in a bad
mood about the Cretassians and Trip comes in and offers
(05:53):
him the game and they're not paying attention anymore, and
all of a sudden something happens.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
That's right, that's right, this sort of you know, the
lights go out, don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
The sticky happens as we're you know, eat retzels and
drinking beer.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So the first one is to go searching to see
what's a miss is Joseph will is a guest star.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
He plays Rostov.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And he goes down there with he He actually, if
I remember rightly, he guested on Voyager too. We watched
an episode called Muse when we were interviewing someone else
and I'm trying to think who that was.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
But he was on mu. He was a guest. He
was a guest on Muse.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I'll tell you who it is. It was Susan and
Diaz and I'll tell you why, because Susie had told
me when our show first started that there was a
friend of hers who also tested for trip and it
was Joe was it?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Now?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I'd never met him in the well, I never you'd
been around, and they were thinking about him for a
trip and you know that must.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Be quite tough too, did they? I guess he went
through an audition process and then to come that.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Always is I've talked about it a little bit. Yeah,
did you Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I mean, did he did he bring it up that
he'd been or did you know from Susan that.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
He was the guy? I knew?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Because look, where what is this episode? This is twenty two,
so by that point i'd known it and Joe and
Susie they were good friends, all right.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, I mean I have a hard time, you know,
I watched the Emmys. Was it last night or the
night before Sunday night. I have a hard time looking
at award shows, man, I it's it's you know, I'm
happy for the people that win and everything, but you know, yeah,
I wanted to be there.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
No, it's funny you say that, you know, and you've
said this to me before. And our friend Eddie mclint
talk all right, did the same thing, and he's like,
I can't even watch these things.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I really felt for I mean, we won't digress too much,
but I really felt for Colin Farrell losing out to
Stephen Graham for adolescents. I mean not to say that
Stephen Graham's performance wasn't mesmerizing, but my word, I mean
Colin Farrell's performance in Penguin was just a tour de force.
I mean, I mean, this is getting up at two
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in the morning and putting on all that stuff to
then transform yourself vocally, physically.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I mean I could see this.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I could see the sadness almost in his eyes when
they cut to him.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, it's one of those things.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I mean, you know, if I can't win for that,
what am I gonna win for?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Let me put it this way. You know, we are
in an art form. Yeah, it's you know, there are
not a lot of trophies for the art.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Worms now and obviously the Academy just I mean and
rightfully so tore up adolescents. It's uh, it's an extraordinary piece.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Of extraordinary I mean it is it is something of
nothing else.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
The kid Yeah, yeah, well, you know a couple of
years ago didn't really want to get into this acting thing.
Well I was, I was nothing about three years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I'm here now, so.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, brilliant, just give it a go.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
It happens.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
See what happens? Hey, Well what I got anyway?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
So Rostov and and then Elisee what's her name renee
Elise Goldbury, who played crewman Kelly. Who's the other one
that goes down and gets initially entrapped by the tendrils
of the sola or Gilly.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Here it comes out to you. She then went on
to have enormous success.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
He was the original Angelica on Hamilton in on Broadway.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Really.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, to be.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Honest, we we actually reached out to her people, Lisarah did,
and she's long gone. Star Trek is long in the
in the rear view mirror, I'm afraid. But yeah, she
obviously had massive success and it's never going to look back.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I mean, I will say, just before we continue on
with what happens to them, is that, you know, we're
given a bit of a you know, a golden key
when she's having a bad day about her ability to
translate what's going on.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
The same word can have.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
A dozen different meanings.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
We rely on you to recognize the different sens you.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
You, Anthony and Linda have a really nice scene in
the mess hall about you know what the movie is
gonna be and then and and she's, you know, not
in a good spot. No thanks, I'm turning in early.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
No, there's a great addendum to that little messal scene.
And I'm sure when this finally gets edited, it'll it'll
come up. Dorothy, who used to do all the cooking
for us, just was amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
God resting.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So have her cookbooks?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yes, yeah, and uh, and there's a there's a there's
an outtake of me where I either corpse or just
go up, or I'm just so heavily.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Into the prime rib that's on my plate and it's
rather amazing.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
You might need a translator.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
The subtitles go by pretty fast.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Had enough language problems for one day. Mm hmm. Didn't
the scene itself? Yeah, pointing at it with your fork.
(12:08):
Remember how uncomfortable they look when the captain tried to
shake their hands.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Not acting at all there exactly, just easy, peasy lemon squeeze. Yeah,
she did make delicious dishes.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I mean, god, bless, I used to.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Honestly, I used to take, you know, just boxes of
it home and have it for days.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
If I knew I was eating in a scene, I
wouldn't have an.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I wouldn't need you know, exactly, because you knew that
they were going to be eating in the scenes.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Is tricky. You've really got to be on your game,
because I didn't.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I was terrible at it.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Bontus is very difficult unless you're really clever at knowing
that on this line, here is the moment, and repeat
it over and over.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I mean, you know, there was a point early on
where you know, I had all episodes we're eating in
the Captain's mess where I was just going to keep eating.
You know, I was still in the scene with everyone,
but I'm gonna keep.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Now you're clunking all your cutlery, aren't you Exactly? No
one else is close up.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, it took my food away from me like a
rubber a rubber piece that I could.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, we want to where are we at? So? Yes,
so we go down there. They get, they get, so,
they get, they get tendrilled by the vox solar guy.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Uh and before we know it, they're just being in
in case and wrapped in in its tendrils and uh,
well how else to describe it. It's it's you know,
uh propitious goop.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah all that it was a goofy web.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, I made that stuff from but do you remember?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Oh yeah, So obviously you can see in the episode
that there are plastic tendrils that are wrapping us, but
everything that covered us And there's a great scene where
Trip is freaking out and you can see all the
goo on his neck. What they made that with was
the ingredient that makes McDonald's milkshakes thick and ky jelly.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And we had gallons of it. The porn industry must
have stopped in the valley because.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
We thought it was dry for a week.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Oh, I was pulling it out of my hair out
of the other episode where you know we we talk
about this, but you know that that episode Vox Sola
where you know we're covered in all that ky jelly
and mixture.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
It was responsible for that. Was that makeup or was
that props? No, that was us, that was you.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, you just had good buckets of that crap, just
just trolling it out.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
That was like like a couple of in England when
you do paintings decorating, you you can either do it
tosh or posh or budget and leg it.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
And you were like budget and leg it. Yeah. There
was no rhyme reasons, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
It was just the showers in Did we have showers
in the We did, didn't we in the in the trailers?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
They weren't great.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
They were like sort of like spitting on you.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, I don't ever remember, true, I don't ever remember
really showering at the in the trail. Same here, bad
stuff you had to yeah, yeah, unless you were just
prepared to get in a trap suit.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And imagine driving home, goop up your car, pulling you over.
You haven't showered and you've got.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
This match of hair with jelly and I've just come
from chating. Oh yes, sir, We're like, sorry, I haven't
had a thing to drink, but what's on my hair?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Well, let me tell you, officer.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
That's hilarious. So what else is the notes? Uh?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Sarah pointed out that so, of course we don't have
a holidayck on our ship because we're too soon. So
we still have movie night, which is rather cute.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Two hours and twenty four minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
It seems roughly long for a movie about four men
in a truck. You'll be on the edge of your seat,
you promised me. Explosions.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Don't worry. It's a true foul film, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
It is the Wages of Fear, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
That we that I really want to watch, And then
what do we end up watching? Is it?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
No, we don't watch anything because what happens is is.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, the lights go out. It's just about is.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
It, you know, infected and influenced? What's happening for You're
watching Doctor Flox sitting there on the table working on something,
and then go out and say this isn't the movie.
Can someone help us out?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
We're trying to watch a movie down here, but instead
we're being treated to a view of you. So unless
you're planning on giving us a little song and dance,
maybe you could see what's going wrong. I mean, do
some flashlights acting when you know, Malcolm and his Mary
crew go down to you know, investigate unless you love
the flashlight acting that Marvin used.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
To get us to do.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And I'm more, people are taken. Two of my guys
are taken, aren't they? And I narrowly escape. I first
found that acting the hardest to do when you're just
basically in a vacuum and pretending. And we had no
I had no idea what this thing looked like. We
(18:00):
were just told that it was going to be tendrils
and yeah, something like an octopus perhaps.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Or you had the same thing that I had where
when I get wrapped into it, I'm there's nothing wrapping me.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I was just real acting wrapped right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
my my.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I mean I always found those reaction shots the hardest,
and I think I I just.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
About sort of got away with it.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
You got it. But the thing that the other thing too,
is that you know in this and we've seen now
these twenty two episodes. Very rarely did I find myself
as a viewer, especially now, looking at something and going.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Like nah, right, that didn't work.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
That didn't work, and and and that the CGI of
that little worm piece, Yeah, like.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
That was I mean, it's it was a tricky I
was cg. I was so new in those days, and
so you know, as we say.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Other than new inceptional, it was in its inception and.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
It's it's tough to you know, to criticize it beyond
what they were capable of doing. I mean, and I
think Ron Moore be more who would have been in
charge of that, probably with Dan Curry, you know, they overall,
you know, it was it's you know, it's the sets
(19:29):
not wobbling.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
So there you go, Right, no offense to the early series,
but you know we had very little of that. When
you go look back at different episodes from you know,
the Legacy series, sometimes you're like, oh yeah, oh no, no, yeah,
you know, we had very little of that, and that's
why I think to me it was a bit highlighted.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yes, yeah, there's a nice scene between me and Flox
when we get.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
That piece of tendril back to the sick bay, to the.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Medical department to investigate, and you know, Malcolm wants to
you know, basically put it through us.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Wants to blow it up.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
If you intend to pummel his appendage with em radiation
until it cries for mercy, I'm afraid I can't permit that.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
And and Flox, it's a it's a nice it's a
good scene. It's it's quite an important scene about you know,
what we're here to do and what our mission might be.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Rather than yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Would also add the scene that you get told Malcolm
has with Hoshi into Paul when you know, are we
there yet or when she's asking about trying to find
the language and to Paul's like, no, you've already was that?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Is that after this or that comes just a bit
after Yes initially, so, yes, Hoshi wants to talk to it.
I want to blast it with em radiation, but it's
going to hurt it, and I guess it's host to
the rescue.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, but there is a nice scene. There isn't there between.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
To come back to that scene you have with John.
That was really nice. I mean it was it was
really interesting. And again I keep coming back to these
sort of like there's timely elements to you know, the
storytelling that we were doing, and you know your your
pardon my French heart on for going on and you know,
sort of torturing this thing versus John saying this is
(21:25):
a sentient, intelligent life.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
And I'm not going to let you do that.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
In less than an hour, that thing could spread across
half a day.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I'm willing to help you, mister Reid, but not if
it means torture in this organism. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
It isn't our mission to try to better understand unique
forms of life.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It's a good scene, you know, And I take it
on the chin, poutingly as it were, and defer to
his you know, we're in his you know, we're in
his house.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
That's right, exactly, He unless the captain says he's not. Yeah,
he's the one who runs it.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I'm sure I don't have to remind you, doctor, I
am the ranking officer, not in my sack.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Be so.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yes, Starfleet has been working on this stable force field.
And I go off to my house, the armory department,
and start tinkering around to see if we can get this,
uh this up and running as some sort of you know,
(22:28):
barrier exactly to go in there so that Hoshi can
can come and hopefully talk to it. Starffink's been working
on creating a stable em barrier for the last five years,
a force field, right, They just haven't found a way
to control the particle density and in the meantime.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
In the meantime, what happens is is that we begin
to realize and learn that this is an organism that
it's not taken us prisoner. It is now enveloping us
into a one organism thing.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's this life for it.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
It's linking us together somehow.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, that's lovely, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It's in the in the stress, the stirm and drang
of the episode is is as that's continuing, we have
to find a way to separate to get the rest
of the people out.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, it's a really, it's a very It's it is
poetic that that that that you're all now entwined and
all your thoughts are entwined in one thought. Hence Vox
solar and and I like the Captain's sort of pep
talk to the team who were all you know, strung up.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
What was I thinking? You thought.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
You could win every game? You always thought you could win,
no matter how far behind you work.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
If we think positively that we can get out of this,
that is.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
The smartest thing we can do, right.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
The trip of the initial part of that scene is like,
I gotta get out of here. Yeah, and he's.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Like, and it just times its grip on you.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I mean it's like, what am I thinking?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Really really lovely, that isn't it? And the shared memory
that we can we can always win. What was the
what was the spat that Hoshi and to Paul have
around this time in the episode?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
So initially, in the very beginning, Hoshi is having a
heart because it's the whole thing about having, you know,
eating food in front of people or not. And we're
walking down the hallway and she's struggling and confused and
trying to translate what the protests are saying. That's what
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really bummed her out right, that she didn't she wasn't
doing she wasn't getting it right. And then she has
that scene with Paul uh where she says to her, basically,
I just feel like you're criticizing everything that I do
right and.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Half done since we got on board this ship.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
You've been looking over my shoulder ever since you came
on board, double checking my log entries, my translations.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
It's my job.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
So ho, She's journey in this. Her arc in this
was her ability to one trust in her skills and
to people to ask for help because she's not good
at the math. Because it looks like calculus, right, high
level of calculus. Yes, And then to Paul, not begrudgingly,
(25:42):
but to Paul unexpectedly, I think recognized that she needed
to help.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, you asked for my help.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I didn't ask for you to keep count of every
time I make a mistake or to second guess all
of my decisions, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
And then that's all fashion. It comes off a little,
you know, sort of what's the word.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Well, I didn't mean what I said.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, if you.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Feel I've been unfair to you, I apologize, but I
hold you to a high standards and because I know
you're capable of achieving it.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
It's a good scene there between the two of them,
say so then Travis. This is where Travis then connects
with the Cretassians again and finds out what we've done
to offend them. We're really reaching out to them to say,
did you know that when you're left, something might have come.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Aboard from your with you?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, and that's what we have to apologize again. Yes,
and we have to apologize again the apology episode.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
We will send you the coordinates, but first you must
apologize to us for your offense, and we apologize to
them for eating, you know, in front of them on
your ship.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
You put food in your mouths. You mean eat? Yes,
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
It is like mating. It is very offensive to us.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I mean that I love the old access stories and
I love actors, but have you ever eaten with one?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Also to the first thing I thought was well, how
did they have sex?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Then you're right, yeah, well there's teeth. Who knows.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
But you know, it's set up a sort of a
funny aside to that. Yeah, I love that. You know.
All of a sudden, Travis realizes, he's like.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I'm the captain.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Oh yeah, they've learned English double smart quick, which is
rather cute.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
You speak English. We studied your database.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
It wasn't difficult, and so we can have this conversation
with him, and they also are aware of where this
organism's planet is and where it came from. Yeah, they
give us I think they give us the coordinates.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
After the apology, after the apology.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, So I've now got the force field ticking, and
I've gone back down there and I've sticked stuck e
missus on the wall, and that gives ho shee the
chance and the safety to come down and try and
talk to it.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Well, here's a question for you regarding that scene specifically.
So anytime that that organism felt what light, it was
very sensitive to and it would strangulate anything that came
to it, it was clearly a being that was cornered
and had taken hostages because it was cornered. That's the
(28:52):
way I looked at it. But anytime, you know, when
you walked in the first scene and saw before we
all know the Captain and trip had taken you know,
you've got the flashlight on and Captain's like lights off
the light because the light is what is scaring it, right,
(29:16):
So having that electrical field that it couldn't do anything to,
I didn't quite understand how like you know, like in
the in the in the bible of the episode. So
if that was a thing, wouldn't it have like retreated
and then just strangulated more.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Well, I guess, I mean, I suppose the the the
ruse is, or rather the gag we used to call
these things in TV land, is that it just gives
how she enough you know, safe space to go in
there and communicate with it, which she does as if
my memory says.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Me right, that ultimately is you know, she figures out
the numerical combination how to communicate with this being. It's
giving us coordinates. It's home world. The cretasms already gave
them to us. These look more like the latitude and longitude.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I think it's trying to give us an exact location
on the planet.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
So and then we find out where it's from and
uh or we let it know that we know where
it's from.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
It's funny, though, I have to say this that I
watched it yesterday and today, and I'm watching it today
and my step son che comes downstairs and he's like,
what is that sound? And I was like, I know,
(30:44):
it sounds like a bad wheel on like a shopping cart.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
And I was like, well, it's a language, one of
these alien speaks.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Has he ever seen him on this on the show before?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Let's asper ever watched your son.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
He's a he's a Star Trek fan. Yeah, he's watched.
He's watched a lot.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Oh god.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
In fact, when when you know, when I was when
he was a kid, I tried to introduce it to
him specifically, like you know, during COVID, and he got,
you know, not happening, not really kidding? Yeah, And then
he got.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
When did the when did this the Star Trek interest?
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Friends?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Really?
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, his his his buddies, his very good friends.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
He must be a star in their circle.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Well yeah, I mean his buddy Ezra and his brother Miles,
big Star Trek fans.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
And you know what that Gateway show was, as it were,
was it one of the more the newer ones like
Discovery or New Strangers.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
It's all of ours, it's all the legacy, legacy stuff.
I would I would think that probably. I'm thinking at
their age, I would think that probably. Look, the next
generation is always the first one that somebody comes to,
and I think that that began that. But you know,
(32:21):
I've never watched an episode with my son, but he's
watched all of the episodes and at one point, again.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I under the blanket with the torch on.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I'd lost you know, I'd lost interest in asking him
about it, and there was one point he was like, yeah,
i've seen I've seen your show, and Dad, you're really good.
I can't tell you the pride pride that came like like.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Like warm milk. That's lovely.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I mean I've never I never knew that that he
was a covert secret star Trek fan.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Mean it fits now that you say it, that that's
his you know, jam I can see that.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I mean he's a libral.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
You can tell he's very thoughtful and uh, not especially
interested in sports. I'm not saying they're all not interested
in sports, but we're supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, but that's really that's what. It's really lovely.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Yeah, you know, it's funny that you mentioned this. I
hadn't thought about this in a very long time.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
And what did you think of me?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
It's like, Darm's the British guy, right, is that.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
His British accent?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
That's fine, but it was, it was, it was. It
was one of those moments because you know, I've I've
never been someone who's like, son, you should watch my work.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I don't blurry I'm sorry coming back too much laughing.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Well, I've never really been one to be like, you know, hey, son,
watch my work, you know, YadA, YadA, YadA, and for
him to independently find the penultimate thing that I think
I've done and then to offer up his opinion on that. Yeah,
it's one of those.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
By the way, you're very your bloody marvelous in the show.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
It's whenever I watched the episodes now and it was like, yeah, yeah,
we were a good cast and a cohesive cast too,
and you know, God knows well. I mean, we just
shot an episode for Shuttle Pod one, which is coming
(34:41):
out very soon, probably in a couple of weeks after
this or something, and and we discussed, you know, extensively
with I don't want to give too much away, but
we discussed extensively, you know, the whole series of of
Enterprise and and and especially that episode in particular. But
(35:05):
we spend a lot of time talking about the whole
you know, caboodle of our show.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
And well, yeah, I think I think that and they
we talk about this, and I think that you the
fans are really going to enjoy this episode that we're
being cagey about is that one or two things have
to happen for your character to flourish in that environment.
(35:31):
And one of them is is they have to give
you an opportunity so that they know early enough on
that you can somewhat wear a crown.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
And the second thing that has to happen, which I
think is actually more important, is that that they hear
your voice in the writing of it. Yeah, and they
hear your voice in the relations that you have within
the show. And those are two vital things because.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
They're looking for that. It's not like they've sat down
and discussed this eight months in advance.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
They have not.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
They're begging for it. I mean, you know, it's almost
like it's almost like in casting. When I really believe
this too, was like anybody that comes in they want
you to be the guy they want they want you
to their job would be done if they find you.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah. Right, So where are we?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
So we're so Yeah, the emitsus work how she manages
to communicate with the guy the Vox Solar, and we
find out where it's from, and the expedition is set
to take it back to its home world, Tendrill World.
I wrote, Yeah, I thought of a theme park, and
(36:44):
it finally releases you and the captain and crew and
Kelly and Rostov and did anyone?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Does anyone? Why?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Why? Because we why? I found myself I felt like
we skipped over something in.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
The because it no longer needs protection, as how is it?
Speaker 3 (37:08):
How does it? How does it know that it's no
longer in danger?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yes, especially with Malcolm standing there, Well, yeah, you've got
the whole barrier.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
And this thing is loading up his photon.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Ultimately it's because she's able to communicate with it.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yes, ultimately, I mean she she she alleviates any stress
that it's feeling and then says, look, we're here to help,
and we know where you're from, and we're taking.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
You back there. Tell it, we're taking it.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Back, and and it released, It releases its grip on
all four of you.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Did any no one? No one dies in the episode,
do they?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I don't think you don't get cast as a series regular,
You're going to die at some point.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I was wearing a red shirt. That's just me. I'm
not sure, honestly.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I guess you've got to take the work when you
get it, But yeah, I don't know if I could
join a show with knowing you.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, it was, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Usurped by that fella. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. I mean,
you know, God knows that. You know, we've all got
these stories. But Stephen Graham pinched a part of me
quite early on. For Michael Mann's daughter was doing her
first movie down in Florida or somewhere, and it was
(38:23):
to play some sort of you know, you know, shit
kicking redneck and he was just really you know, he'd
already done Gangs of New York and uh, you know
he was He did a movie called This Is England,
which was a big hit, and he you know, and he, my.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
God, he could be fearfully scary.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
When he had Snatch already happened or not yet.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Snatch was probably in between those. I think, No, I
think Snatch was first. Actually no, you're right, Snatch was first,
and then Gangs of New York I think, uh, and.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, anyway, yeah, I was pretty close. I know.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
They came back a few times, but then he stepped
in and got it. The film went nowhere. But you know,
it's those ones that you that you need to get,
as you say, early on in a career, you know,
you need to get those jobs to Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
To give you the bona fides, to give you the energy. Yeah,
to do what you can, go on and make adolescents,
so you can go on, you know, play al Capone.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
And yes, exactly, and he was. And then I watched
recently again The Irishman, which I'd not seen, and he
to toe with Pacino in those.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Scenes Florida in a hotel room. Yeah, the Irishman.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, when he's late and he's late. Yeah, yeah, he's good.
You know, he's fearless. It's what he is. And that's
what the kid was talking about.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
And I've always I used to describe it too about
if you bottle in a scene, like if you try
and you know, not go for it, that's when it
that's when you've got egg all over your chin.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
You've got to go for it, no holes barred.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
You've got to know your lines backward, sideways, upside down
and round the back, and then just go for it.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
And then hope.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
If you need a director to help you with some
you know, nuance or toning down, but best to go high,
go in high, and then have someone tone you down.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Come in with guns, guns blazing, guns blazing, and if
and if and if they need to tell you that,
you know what it's it's not all six out of
the out of the gun, four of them. You can
you can you know that you know what that means.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
It's very hard to get an actor who starts it
just doesn't have a level up here to get them
to get there or even halfway up.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
It's a trickier part.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
It's scary.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
It is it's it's it's you know, we know what
it's like. You know, you've got fifty to sixty five
people on the other side of that camera, all looking
at their watch, waiting for lunch.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Exactly, and you're also laying yourself bear.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
And you're laying yourself bear.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, you really are. And yeah, it's it's an honorable craft.
I've often said it, and I'm very proud to have
to have done it these forty years and.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Hopefully us and hookers.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah, we're not cutting that out. It's about the same money.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Right, you know.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Last performance, what else did I write some trivia about
the show we've we've we've gone through with Renee. It
was Roxanne's second episode twelve Vaughn's twelfth episode of doing
Star Trek, and we've sort of covered the Gammas of this.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Yeah, I'll just end with the story.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, oh yes, so yes, So we've.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Spent I believe two full days, long days, stuck in
this goo. And it's the last scene. In fact, in
watching the episode, I didn't realize that Hoshi and to
Paul are there and Malcolm's there too, right, you're all
in the room. But the actual lowering of us was
(42:40):
the last thing we had to do.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
But he was gone.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
You know. We had the moment of like, are you okay?
And then we lower us and we lower us and
we've been up there for so long because you know,
the longer the night goes, everybody's trying to, you know,
speed up, and it's like, now I don't worry about it.
It don't We don't have to do anything. We don't
have to have a break. Let's just keep going and
going and going. And so we we finished the last scene,
(43:09):
the last shot. We're being lowered down Scott and my
leg they don't work because we've just been like that
for so long. We've been scrib we're and we're freezing. Yeah,
we come down. We're covered in this well on stage
nine just must have been yeah, yeah, And we come
(43:32):
down and drop down and we kind of just crumple
and they take surgical scissors and cut out, cut us
out from our uniforms from the back because we can't
get out of them.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
The zips probably don't work nothing.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
And so we get pulled out. We're sitting there, We've
got blankets on us, we're freezing. And then yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Gary, isn't it Gary?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
This is this is still season one where we show
on film.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
And this is the only time this has happened in
my entire career. But you hear about this comment that
people have spoken about, and we're done. We think we're done,
and everybody's like and Gary comes up, the sweetest guy,
he was very good. Yeah, and and and he says, hey,
hold hold, we have a hair in the lens. And
(44:32):
we were like, whoa, where is it from? Who's stupid
eyelash got thrown in there? And so hair in the
gate is the is the real here in the gate?
Speaker 2 (44:46):
In the gate?
Speaker 3 (44:48):
And and so Roxanne she's like, I'm sorry you guys,
we have to go again. So take off the blankets.
We slither back into this goopy freezing and then they
show the back of our costumes up.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Oh my word.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
You know, since us back up there and we do
it again and we come back down.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
That's professional acting, mate, that's right.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
You know what that's earning your paycheck, that really is Yeah,
I mean I yeah, I mean, you know I said
to Scott once, give me a legal show, put me
in a nice suit, and he went out, you'd be
bought to tears dom.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, well let me try it.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah, uniforms though, the very last scene where you release Gooeye,
I was so happy that I saw myself not in
that scene in the EV suits you know, you fly Linda.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, that would have been the icy on the cake
that you right. You had to you had to get
tugged up in the EV suits to send it on
its very way.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Sorry, guys, oh here you missed a bit.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Yeah, exactly, here's your little brother.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah. Uh man, that stuff must have got everywhere.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
It stayed for for quite some time. I mean I
remember them pulling it out of my hair for for days.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
They would just congeal and yeah it would hide.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah, I mean I remember, like, you know, when my
chest t would be like what.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Oh it's like yeah, it's like yeah, it really looked
like snot really didn't it.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Yeah, they did a very good job at the combination
of products they used.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
I wonder where do you have any idea where they
got the idea to mix in you said, McDonald's mulsifying
thickening short.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Where would they get that idea?
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Think part of the secret of you know, design, They
know this.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
It's a very good episode and for Rox Andrew come
in and do this as her second one, you know,
she was, you know, I always remember how incredibly well
prepared she was. Oh you know, I literally she had
a folder that was shot my shot literally written out.
(47:28):
Extraordinary preparation, almost to.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
The point where she also period a very good energy,
probably had the show. She had a good energy about,
you know, and an honesty too. I remember in the
one of the I think it was the first scene
first episode we did with her, that I was asked
to go do something by her her shot set up, yeah,
and I was like, well, why am I going there?
(47:52):
All these things you get you give up later, but
I was like, well why am I going there? And
she was like, I don't know, I need you to
be over here figure it out, dude. I was like, oh,
I'm going to get a bag.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Of nuts nuts.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Yeah, and I'm not going to bump into the chair
on the way exactly.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yeah, I know. So, I mean look, I mean there
is there.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Sometimes you've just got to cheat it, you know, and
you go, you just got to there is no reason
why you're going there other than I'll move on that
line and.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Work together as a company, Yeah, to make something to
make it look as naturalistic as you possibly can.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
And if their need is unnatural to you, make it
natural yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Unless it's completely you know, yeah, unless it's beyond the
realms of you know, reality, and I'm going to come
out looking at this scene looking like like like an idiot,
then yeah, I don't have any problem at all.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
I just saw Christoph Waltz. He was being interviewed and
he was talking about working with Tarantino, and.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
He was talking the first forty five minutes of Inglorious
is it in Glorious No, Inglorious Jango unchained?
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Oh, Glorious Bastards when he interviews things.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
And in Glorious Bosses of course, but Django un Chained.
I mean, those first fifty minutes just some of the
most sublime filmmaking anyway.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
He's talking to I forget somebody who's worked with Paul
Thomas Anderson a lot as well, all right, and he
said he's he's asked, like, you know, you know, did
you change words? Was it? You know, was there a
lot of improv? And he said none, And he said,
in fact, I can't. I don't like improv. Not take
(49:38):
that as you will, but he said, he said, look,
anytime somebody asks of you, through their text two tell
their story, you're obligated to tell their story and to
lift your level to be able to through yourself tell
(49:59):
the story. And that's what he said. Basically, It was that,
you know, no, there was there was There was not
a word change or a comma or an exclamation that
you know it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Look and we were under the same auspices with It's
well known that you know, they were dead letter perfect
on our show and every comma, every and of them,
but was was was marked.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Yeah, well, I mean you get them right, you had
to go you did it again, yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Ibsen Shakespeare at Chekhov and you're not allowed to like
change networks.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
And uh, you know, and I pride myself now even
when I do get to act that that I spent
time you know. That's that's our job is to spend
as much time with the script as you can, no
matter what it is you're working on, and to be
absolutely word perfect, and if you can, if you can
improve it, then you can go to the writer slash
(50:54):
director on the day and go, look, I've I've I've
embellished some of this a little bit. I've put a
couple of adverbs in which I think work. I'll take
them out if you don't want them.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
But it's not to make it easier on yourself.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
It's it's just it's to make it better. And that's
where you know, a nice collaborative experience with someone that goes, yeah, no,
actually that that's that is better?
Speaker 2 (51:18):
And yeah, I like I just got.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
To do with one scene with Michael Dawn the other
week for his sci fi movie which he's got coming out.
He shot with Michelle Hurd. Congratulations Michelle Hurd becoming the
Treasury Secretary for SAG She must be mad, but God
bless her. And and Marina Curtis is the other lead
(51:44):
in it. And I've got little one middle scene anyway. Yeah,
we shot the other day and I had just a
couple of extra words, and he was like, that's very good,
and that's I always like, I love that when you
hear that from someone that's rather than just say what
I write.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
And I'm like, well, but no.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
Yeah, I think it depends on the project, you know,
I think on the person, and I think it depends
on you know, if someone you know, when you talk
about say Tarantino or Paul Thomas Anderson, this is what
it was they were talking about. There will be blood
if you're talking about someone who is trying to craft
their own piece and using you one as a tool,
(52:28):
but also because it's you, that's what they want to
do it.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
No, it doesn't make it hard you exactly, So you
doing it. It's you saying it, but it's you saying
their words.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yeah, they were saying that, you know, ninety five percent
of making the movie is casting and yeah, yeah, and
getting that right and once that set, yeah, you're home dry.
There's a funny well we'll end on this funny Paul
Thomas Anderson.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
There will be blood story. So this was in the day.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
I'm a bafter member and they used to send the
the CDs as it were, the the DVDs rather to
the house and this was such a long film that
it was two DVDs, And what do you know.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
I watched that film back to front and still thought
it was fucking brilliant.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Oh that's what.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
It completely, back to front, that's brilliant.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Second disc first, and and still was like, brilliant film.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Oh my god, that's It's like it's like Paul Thomas
Anderson's Pulp. But he didn't doing it that way.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
I was up for the brother in that God bless
I got. I went down to the to the half
the wire on that one. But the guy they got,
I forget his name.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
He was so good, brilliant. He had those sad eyes and.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yeah, I mean you can't act that. I mean, there
you go, there's casting. You cannot at that.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
That's scene in the brings that with him and yeah. Yeah,
so well, very fun talking to you about Vox Solar
episode twenty two. We're coming to the end of the season,
or the end of our first season.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yeah, we've got four more left.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, and we've got a nice episode coming for you.
We've got two fun ones that are not watched parties,
so watch out for those. And we're always looking for other,
you know, addendums to other than watch parties.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
What else to say for those of you who have
not yet.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Considered becoming a Patreon member, now is the time, it
really is. We we've lot much like NPR. I'm afraid
we lost our backing and we need all the help
we can to produce this show. It's not going into
our pockets. Ladies and gentlemen. Let me tell you, we're
doing this because we love it.
Speaker 3 (54:59):
We do love it, and we want to keep. Really,
what we want to do, when we've said this before,
is that we want to have this beg an accompaniment
for our series. And we're the ones who were talking
about the episodes of Star Trek. And not to say
that anybody else couldn't, but I think it's important that
we do it.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
I think it's fitting that you know that you and I,
given that we've gone into this arena, that it's you
and I that get to at least have the first
say so about about our show.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
Yeah, you know, I was looking.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
At some.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Instagram stuff and it's all about the sixtieth anniversary next year,
and you know, and Voyage's thirtieth last year, and you know,
no one ever mentions that we had twenty years and
it's our twenty fifth next year, and.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
You know, I will say this, you know, I do
think that time is on our side, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
All of that staying fit, keep alive for it them all.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
I do think that, and especially you know, having watched
this and watched this with a discerning, somewhat critical eye
so that we can talk about these episodes. Gosh, I'm
awfully proud. I mean, look, you're never going to get
home runs every time, but there's nothing wrong with a single.
(56:31):
Some of some of the episodes aren't perfect, but I
will say that, even in this first season, I'm just
mightily impressed. And I'm not trying to patent on the back.
I'm just as a viewer.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
Yeah, they're good shows, and we did twenty six of them.
You know. That's that's that's that's some tough filming.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
Yeah, there's no small chips man, that's a that's a
big hole.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
So, and we talk about this in the Shuttle pub
one episode. I mean the fact that it is that
you and I are, you know, integral members of a
small family group that are affiliated to a.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
TV phenomena called Star Trek.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
I couldn't be more proud at this stage in my
life and career. Thank you all very much for your support,
and please take it to heart what we just said
about becoming patron members. I know I bang on about it,
but it's not because we want to get rich doing this.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
It's just we want to be.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Able to pay for other studio to do it episodes
and and maybe attract you know, some bigger names if
we can actually for them to come on board, you know,
and that would be nice. So think think heartily about that,
please all right, until the next time,
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