October 26, 2025 • 51 mins
Connor Trinneer and Dominic Keating watch Star Trek: Enterprise's "Fallen Hero". It's a harrowing battle to Warp 5 as the ship takes on a disgraced Vulcan diplomat who (surprise, surprise) is hiding something from her human defenders. If they can get through this, a new chapter in human-Vulcan relations awaits...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The show has begun with card It's the.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Conch ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, trekkies and trekkers.
Welcome back to another watch party episode of the dcon Chamber.
I am your co host Connor Trenier, alongside my bestie
and sometimes co defendant, co host and other things you
(00:28):
won't talk about, dominic keaty Ew. Today we're going to
watch Fallen Hero episode number twenty three, story by Rick
and Brannon and Chris Chris Black and written by Alan Cross.
Also directed by Patrick Norris, who dom had approached to
(00:52):
join us but had a family issue and unfortunately could.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, but another I'm not sure. I'll have to look
at to see if he directed another one. Yeah, I
don't know, but if he, if he has, he'll he'd
happily come back. He did say in his email that
he would love to rejoice, so it suggested to me
that he thinks he did, so we'll look ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Excellent. I I was very excited about this guest star,
Vanilla Flanagan. Yes, I'd seen her in the others, and
I don't remember if i'd seen Waking the Divine before that,
but I was he was the first real guest star
that we had that I can think of outside of
(01:35):
you know, star trek Alums coming in. I thought, wow,
this will be cool.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, good actress, you know seasoned and you know Tony
Numbed for that wonderful play The Ferryman that was on
Broadway by Jess Butterworth that got a lot of attention.
She had a big part and Lost, which I did
not watch, but I did, you know, understand that she was.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I got last about episode two and was like, I
can't get back on the show.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah I don't. I mean not to bang un Lost,
but I did happen to you know, so the noise
that was off screen the whole time.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Do you remember the episode? The poor black actor that
it was on a beach and he had to and
the you know, the scary noise that was going.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
To know the.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Sector what do you call it? Specter turned out to
be some sort of really fucking twenty dollars CGI waff
of black smoke. I don't know if you I happen
to catch that episode. I did not, and saw this
poor actor react to obviously, you know, a tennis ball
on a c stand. Yeah, there are sometimes on on
(02:49):
Telly particularly and film. Well, it's just a risory. I mean,
you can't help but just laugh and go. Really, you
thought you could get away with.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
That, right, and the reality is that you know you're
being told one thing while you're shooting it that is
potentially some forces and you're like.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It was honestly, it was about honestly anyway, let's not
bang on lost Lost is lost is gone. So it
starts with the teaser, which is rather interesting. You having
supper with the captain and.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
To Paul, excuse me, I asked if we heard you, And.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Very quickly we get into the discussion that she thinks
that the whole crew needs to get laid.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
What makes you think we're suffering from a lack of
sexual activity.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Before the breadsticks have even been put down, and.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
We're like, what Starfleet forbids officers from fraternizing with subordinates
unless you've been violating regularly.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
She detects a certain and you think that we need
our attentions eased, efficiencies down three percent.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You know, and the Chief Culpriate Malcolm's not even there
right crying out loud. If you're going to have that
discussion at the most tense man on the ship.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Down at the table, I took the liberty of locating
a suitable planet approximately nine days from our present location.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It's called Riser.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
So she suggests that, you know, there's this planet Riser,
which is some you know, in close proximity, and that
we all go to Riser and take a break. And
you know, she's obviously done the travelocity look up on
Riser and there's all sorts of you know, shenanigans going
on there. We get interested by the fact that they've
(04:54):
got messuss with twelve fingers.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Over again. Yeah, here's the thing too, This is the
first episode that we have that it feels as though,
because I think Desert Crossing also addresses this before we
get to two days and two nights that we're talking
about Riser.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yes, yeah, I agreed, and that's an interesting Also an
addendum is that these two episodes Fallen Hero and Desert
Crossing went out as a double banger. Yeah, I'd forgotten
that I looked at it was on Memory Alpha or
something or one of those trivia sights you can look
(05:32):
up stuff like this. So yes, so very quickly we're
set for set to get a Riser. Do you show
up in the Hawaiian shirt right away.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Rule number one.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
You've got to be seen to get noticed.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I do, and I even wrote myself a note should
have kept that shirt.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, that would have been a good one to keep.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah. But suddenly all our plans for the for the
Good Horizon massage are interrupted when we get hailed by
a Masarite. Well we don't know who it is to
start with, but we get hailed and the Masarite captain
who was played by his name down John Rubinstein, a
(06:22):
very nice level performance. I thought that was.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
In what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I assume the Vulcans have informed you of the urgency
of this matter.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Story is that the Vulcan ambassador to Mazarre I think
we're pronouncing it right, Mazar ambassador Vila played by Fernula Flanagan,
she has been uh, I mean, excommunicated from the from
(06:55):
the planet for crimes and misdemeanors. What what what is
the actual it was abusive position and criminal misconduct, and
and that she's to be picked up by us and
taken back to Vulcan.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
You're rendezvous with the Vulcan ship Sharan in three days
prior to then, well.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
The Vulcan ship is going to meet us, the Vulcans ship.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Charan's going to meet us and take her back prior
to her then having to return and face these charges.
So we're right, okay. And an archer, I think he
asks what these charges? What they you know, what the
the crimes are, and can get no straight answer other
than we're just to again, you know, the Vulcans are
(07:44):
keeping us in the dark.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Well let's make come as a shock to you, John,
But the Vulcans are talking.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Imagine that.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It also comes back to a point of of you
know they can they did this less later on in
our show, but continually hammering you know, Vulcan protocol and
not talking and they not sharing. You know, we learned
something about our warp speed.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yes, that's I mean obviously comes up. Yeah, I mean
you know, I mean voyager was banging around. God knows,
you think they would have got home a bit quicker.
War point. I I'm never going to let that go.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
She's clearly different she you know, when we first meet her,
she's clearly different from what we expect. Yes, I mean
about Vulcans.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
So Paul has warned us all that, you know, no handshakes,
no jokes, no, you know, don't be don't speak to
her unless spoken to.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Don't offer to shake hands, refrain from laughing in her presence.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Those guidelines are largely precautionary.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
She has prepared to give up her cabin to accommodate her.
And I mean the cabin is you know, there's not
a speck of dust, but there's one sort of inconsequential
piece of the photo something. Yeah, not even I mean,
And to Paul says, are you going to leave that?
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Ambassador Balar is accustomed to a spartan environment.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Ambassador of a Lah likes a spartan environment.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Just hope it's spartan enough, sir.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
And so how she takes that with her.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Because you know, is it the previous episode where to
Paul helps HOHI figure out the language that they seem
to have had some sort of connection. Yes, just that
that falls through the cracks here.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
If you feel I've been unfair to you, I apologize,
but I hold you to a high standards.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
And because I know you're capable of achieving it.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
One of the things that happens in this scene that
we meet together, she comes up, yes, we have when
we have dinner.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And well, first of all, you should we should were
skipping a little bit. She when she first arrives from
the transporter, uh, well, the the the Maserite shuttle pot
if you will, that docs with us. And as soon
as she comes aboard, her hand is.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Out, Ambassador on behalf of my crew. I'd like to
welcome you aboard Enterprise.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Thank you. Right, so, you know, not not once, but
twice and maybe three times.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
There is Commander Charles Tucker, my chief engineer, pleased to meet.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
The pleasure is mine, Commander.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
And she makes a joke about when you're having dinner. Yeah,
I mean that's when you how.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Old are you? How have you been a diplomat?
Speaker 7 (10:49):
Commander Tucker? I understood that on your world it is
considered bad manners to ask a lady her age.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Well I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I didn't mean to imply that you were.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
Forgive me, Commander my attempt at humor.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah. Yeah, Trip puts his foot right in it.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah too. Is that is that it's the first time
we questioned how old is to Paul?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Suffice it to say that with De Paul and myself here,
you're almost certainly dining with the two oldest people on
this ship.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Well, I did the math on this. The law alludes
to her and to Paul being the two oldest on
the ship. Canonically, the law has ends up being as
ninety four years old, and the math works out that
to Paul is sixty four, which is my age. So wow,
(11:57):
I know she looks pretty good for sixty four.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
It does look pretty good for this. So we have
we have did I will say this within that. That
was the first scene that I shot with Fanula, and
I was very excited to work with her and very kind,
you know, an actor's actor. But she came in and
(12:20):
did something that I could never do, which is too
She didn't know her lines. I mean, she was familiar
with them, but she knew her own process. And she
was like, you know, reading off the page and I
don't know if somebody said something or she sent something,
and she was like, oh no, no, I'll learn this
(12:41):
when you light it. And sure as hell she did.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
She didn't have small amounts to say either, I know,
but she walked.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
In holding script and reading from the page and and
and I think that it was clear that you know,
she has that rarefied ability. Yeah, look at something, take
in directions, see what's going on, and then learn it.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, and you know, given them we we've you know this,
this comes up a lot. And when we discuss our show,
is that they wanted it dead letter perfect. There was
no room for nearly got it. Yeah, I'm not. I'm
not that actor. I like to show up to set
pretty much off book. I like to dance, you know,
(13:32):
knowing the steps. And I've likened this once or twice
to learning the tango or something.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
What's the other one that's the Tango's particularly you know
worthy They glide like it's effortless, but the amount of
rehearsal that's gone in to have those steps look so.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well swing swing dancing is the same thing. It looks
so freaking easy. But man, you man exactly. But the
thing about it is is that when you know your points,
you can have the freedom to dance.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
You can, Yeah you can, And it's uh, I just
don't like the feeling as an actor half knowing it.
You can't. I you know, I'm I I don't know
how to say. I mean, I'm not. I am a
new I'm a nuanced actor, but every nuance is considered.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, it makes I don't Here's the thing, there's it's
such an artificial environment that you already, especially as a
guest actor, have enough nerves that you don't know anybody,
You don't know then of what the director wants. And
and and if if I've if I would ever come
into a situation where I was like, yeah, I kind
(14:53):
of know it, I would lose confidence. Yeah I could
possibly do.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, I mean she's Lalla fan again, so maybe she
and you know, she came dressed like, you know, in regality,
and you know, and and look she's just got chops.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And the eyes.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And the eyes. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I was watching this episode and I remember thinking, you know,
film television acting is so different than it is on stage.
And she in particular recognized this, you know, as a
old hat at it as it were that it all
just lived right here, all just lives right there, and
(15:36):
it sort of flows out off of it.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
The rest of it was just it's just you know, still.
And that's a great lesson for any actor is stillness
is so powerful. Be still, especially on stage unless the
character is Jimmy Dean, and illness is a very powerful.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Tool to just super class. It's a secret sauce in
life too, I believe. So we get to act too,
and we're attacked by the Maserites.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
What the hell is he doing?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Heal, he's not answering.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Pored whole play things offline and they want her back,
and Captain Archer does some nice delaying tactics so that
he can sort of get a handle on what's going
down here.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And fantastic visual effects in that.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, no kidding, yeah, really, yeah, very good. We we
can't fire the phase canons at warp, much to malcolm chagrin.
Would the phase cannons be more effective, undoubtedly, but we
can't fire them at war.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
What do you mean we can't fire them at war.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Particle discharge, sir? It would destabilize our warp field and
most likely out both them cells. I've been working on
the problem, but I haven't quite and we have to go.
We have to slow down to impulse in order to I.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Wrote, I wrote a note about this. Seems gleeful about
firing a.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Failing I didn't water, sir. I made up my mind
early on that whenever Malcolm got to to fire that
fire or anything or blow anything up, he was it
was like, you know, it was like, yeah, one in
the arm. We're just we were talking earlier today about
some new merchandise for the show, and some new T
(17:32):
shirts are coming out. One that we didn't discuss was
that I wanted one with Malcolm going, please let me
blow it up, sir. We'll put that in the in
the bars.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
But you know, Vlaura is still keeping us from the
dark about all of this.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
She's very vague, isn't she yes? About what what it
is that she might have might not have done, and
why the mas rites are so intense on taking her back.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
There are diplomatic matters at stake here which do not
concern you. To tell you any more would only put
your ship and your crew at greater risk.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
How much greater could it get a few more volage
from that ship would have ruptured our hull.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Well and Valar have a nice scene. I think this
is right when they're walking toward her quarters where they're
talking about, you know, trust issues and withholding information.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
We've kept many things from them, all for good reason.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
But situations like this only reinforce the resentment.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
To Paul has already mentioned. I mean, this is the
old adage about be careful about meeting your Heroes. She
to Paul confides with Captain Archer that she had gone
to see Ambassador Vala speak.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Thinking that Vollar would not remember that I've.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Met the ambassador before, though she clearly doesn't recall. It
was many years ago on Vulcan, during my early schooling.
She had just negotiated the Treaty of Katan, and I
traveled a great distance to see her.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Ah the Treaty of Katan. That's right. She went to
see her speak about the Treaty of Katan, and she
was upset by by what the ambassador had said at
that conference, and she actually went up and sort of
(19:36):
confronted her as a young girl. As a young girl,
she's probably forty four, yes, And as you say, Vella
of course remembered, well, this young angenue coming to school
her about what she'd said.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
You remember, you were not easy to forget.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Your questions.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
My negotiating tactics were quite presumptuous, coming from one so young.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
And she took it to heart and actually went back
and redressed her feelings and thoughts and eventually her policy
about what she'd she'd said that at that conference.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
In fact, your bluntness made me reconsider some of my
positions much as it has now.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Well, there's also a conversation about like warp tech versus
earned trust. Yeah, and that comes to play in Act
three when we are reaching our limit because we're a
warp five show.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yes, So the the the policy, well, I mean the
the what's the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
The ability for.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Well, our plan now is to try and outrun this
matter of right ship, which is a bit more powerful
than ours, perhaps certainly with its firepower. But they have
not gotten warp five. Well, they've they've maybe they're on
the brink of it. We can our ship on paper
will do warp five.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It's called a warped five engine on paper.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
But we've only ever gone to four what's their.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Top speed probable to starfleet?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I don't believe they've exceeded warp five.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, there's that lovely sequence where we're ramping her up
to four seven.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Four point four eight four point nine warp five.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
And I love, honestly that when it cuts down to
engineering and you still see smoke coming.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Out of coming out of the grills, it's like an
old seventies Mustang.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
It's rather amusing. There's a lovely shot there actually, when
we're going through engineering, Patrick Nor shot us from underneath.
We were on top on the metal ray, on the
metal balcony, and he shot a stumber. He shot us
from underneath, Yeah, which looked absolutely great. I really I
really noticed that that was you know, and then he
(22:17):
ended he did some coverage I think with us face
to face, but the conversation that was on the move
was really nicely shot.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Well done. Yeah, I would also I would say that
he did a very good job at shooting this episode.
And and you know, you've got you've got several scenes
which are sort of standard walking and talking or when
when when there was movement and action. I thought that
he moved the camera very well, which to me is
(22:46):
a secret of a good filmmaker. Yeah, you know, recognizing
that the camera is also part of the story and
not recording it.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah. I was just looking just to flight. Go back
to a bit of trivia. When to Paul has that
conversation with Captain Archer about the Katan Treaty and seeing
the la all those years before, there's this lovely picture
on the wall of his ready room, which I thought
was the spruce goose. Howard Hughes's huge plane still.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I believe the largest built.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Plane that is still. I mean, I've seen it up,
I've actually seen it. I've first of you. It's amazing,
isn't it. And it's made of wood. It's quite remarkable.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
And it got about that high off the water.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, it did fly, but anyway, it wasn't the Spruce Goose.
It turns out it was actually the California Clipper. And
the picture is a bit flying over the Golden Gate
Bridge in nineteen thirty five. Wow, And I thought that
was worthy of note.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
We're all the precursor to the B fifty two.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yes, good scene between to Paul and Archer that I
seem to remember. I remember I made an of that.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
I can't accept that she'd sacrifice a lifetime of accomplishment
with an act of criminal misconduct.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
It happens all the time.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Not to her. We must take her to the Sharan,
I tell you.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I mean, I don't know people. People give the Scott
a bit of sticks, really, but I think I loved
his performance as Jonathan Archer. I thought it was it
was measured and you.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Know, absolute leader.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, And and we willing to listen when
it was worth listening to and then quite adamantly, no,
I'm the captain and this is what we're doing. And
if you know one thing about humans, we don't always
act logically, and so take your logic and st in
(25:00):
particular with the Vulcan's sundown shine right.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, there's a lot in there in this episode about
the disgruntlement between us and our relationship with the Vulcans
and them, you know, purposely keeping us in the dark.
There's a nice you know line there.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Well, it's this sense of colonialism in a way that
like you're not ready, you're.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Not ready, and as she said, I mean, is it,
Vilala says, you know, you know, why would we trust you.
You've just come out of a massive global war, and
were we going to We're just going to readily introduce
you to the interstellar community. You had just.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
Emerged from a global war. The idea that you deemed
yourselves ready to join the interstellar community seemed premature.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
The bomb Yeah not yet. Yeah, yeah, so you were ready.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well we're still we're still going. We're trying to reach
warp five where we get to work five and the
ship is.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
About to blow.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
It's rumbling like a Jaloppe going as fast as it can. Yeah,
dug it up, Bridge, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
The boarding trip is just blue.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
We've got to school down Jim.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Vella wants to surrender, Archer refuses on account of the ship.
You know is you know, she's putting us all at risk.
And that's when I think he says, you know, you
don't know humans well enough to know that we're not
always we don't always act logically.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
If you've learned anything about humans, you know, we don't
always take the most logical course of action.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
We act with you know, morality and loyalty.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
And then it turns out that that she is, which
is gathering evidence.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Maserit's pursuing us are criminals that include eliminating anyone who
stands in their way, and.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
That would include you.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
She's pursing the Masurite government again, you know, persing the
Mazarite government of you know, absolute corruption. And isn't that
I mean again, these episodes, these last few episodes have
been so timely in the time we are living in.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I'm telling you, I'm telling you if you want to
watch a show that was made obviously twenty five years ago. Yeah,
echoes exactly what's happening right now? Yeah, this season one
does this episode however, and episode.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, it's quite extraordinary, and you know, I mean and
sad in a way. I mean, we are living I know,
I'm not going to get too into the reads the
weeds of the politics, but we're living in some fucking
fairly strange times.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
We're living in a time that reminds us that history
repeats itself.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, aren't we no kidding? And then this sort of
ticking clock, you know, the old dramatic ticking clock is
introduced about can the Vulcan ship the Scharan get to
us in time? As we beatle towards it at four
point nine to five, possibly going to blow ourselves up?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
When?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
And can they get to us before the Mazurites get
to us and and blow us up?
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Sharon is capable of warp seven. If we could maintain
warp five, we'd reach them in twelve minutes.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Well, we have to slow down, and we have to
slow down exactly. And there's I like that. I've always
liked the ticking clock in any kind of dramatic story.
It's a good it's a good ploy. And yeah, have
you ever seen heih noon, Yes, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's the first movie to take place in real time. Yes,
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it is. Yeah, and that's actually I just was I
don't know why I was reading about this the other day.
It's historically, of course, it's not accurate at all. No, no, no, no,
it's you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
But but the movie works at the same time as
time itself, which is fascinating. And as you said, you know,
you're working against the ticking Clark.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah. So we get to act four and Valla wants
to send a message to Sharanta to tell them to help.
Speaker 7 (29:35):
There's a diplomatic frequency. We sometimes use it in a
lower subspace band. I dealt the mas rights are aware
of it.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
This is a rather amusing but that diplomatic channel that
the Mazaites keep blocking, apparently there's some subspace.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
By the way, I've got another phone.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Some subspace communication frequency that we can level.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
It's been a few years since I did this.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
What's the password? I wouldn't you know, I mean, i'd
be screwed. I mean, you know, damn one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight three h one. Engineer is literally blowing up. They're
catching us. We need ten minutes we've talked about the
ticking clock. And then this is when we send her
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down to Sick Bay to sort of secrete her with
doctor Flocks.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
We just need to buy ten more minutes. Captain, I
want you to go to sick Bay. Sick be I'll
explain later. If there was ever a time to start
trusting us, this would be it.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
He's removing it from the chair and that's so. Then
the Mazzi writes, they arrived, they bored us, and where
is the ambassador. She's not well. She's in sick Bay.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
She was no more than ten meters away when the
condo went blue.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Her injuries are extensive.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I didn't recognize that Flox's character quite had the uh
moral and ethical acuity to do what he did. He
does it also, it does a lost is a lot,
and he says, this is this is this is basically
my ship, and I'm the captain in sick Bay.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I don't know what business you have with this woman,
but when she was brought in here, she became my patient.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I removed her from the image chamber prematurely.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
She'll die.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I think that's that's very interesting, that that that in
sick Bay he operates his domain.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, and uh yeah, my word is is final. And
you know Malcolm's fall and foul of that, and and
now the Maserites do, which is uh, it was, it's
rather nice and uh but then they're having none of it,
and they think that she's in the I don't know
what it is, the m r I machine. Yeah, they
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put me in there once. You know, I've done a
few MRIs.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
But yeah, listen, you could not you could not be
wary of close spaces on this show.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
No, no, you couldn't know. And we've talked about Shuttle
Pod one. The amount of times we must have banged
our head on them, those bloody metal rafters. I mean
it literally was.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Uh So they shoot it up the MRI machine, thinking
that the Ambassador is inside there.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Because you're scan is up on the screen.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah, scans up on the screen. And then they're well
duped by the illusionist doctor card.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I wonder the body card.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I love it. He does Friday nights at the Magic Castle.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I don't Yeah, yeah, close table, close tables.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I've got five wives, four wives, three wives. Where did
the wife go? She's right new, Yeah, take my wife,
take her? Uh where are we?
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Well?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Then, they shoot the they shoot the scan place up.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yes, and then they're all.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
We did what we came to do.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
That's all that matters. And then they turn around, door
opens and there's thelar.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I am sorry to disappoint you, and there's Bala.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
I look forward to adding this incident to my testimony
at your trial.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, surprise. And then the Vulcans show up. Of course,
the big, the big. It's a big battle cruiser. Man,
this is you know, yeah, this is the big. I'm
just reading that book about Churchill's Ungentlemanly Wore. There was
a huge battle cruiser called the Trippits that Hitler had
had built and it was stationed at San Nazaire in
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for France. And the way we uh put her out
of service wasn't by blowing her up, because that was
an impossibility was just too big. We absolutely with the
sub with a gorilla warfare subterfuge. We absolutely massacred the
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holding gates that kept the water in, that kept her afloat,
and so so she she just became you know, a
standing you know, mausoleum. And it's quite a good book
I recommend anyway. Yeah, so the Sala, the Charon shows
up and just blows them out of the water.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
The other thing is like, you know, when you see
visually Enterprise, which is I don't know an eighth of
the side of this ship that the Federation would have
been like, hang on a minute, what are you guys doing?
And if we're supposed to be teammates, why aren't you helping?
(35:13):
And this is what this episode's about.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, it is. And the tension being that, you know,
they won't let us know what she's guilty of or why,
you know, and it's there's there's there's always those communications
between Archer and Vaughan Armstrong as Admiral Forrest. You know, Jonathan,
(35:37):
I'll have to get back to you. I need to
talk John.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I'm not really sure what we can do here, but
we're going to try our best, and you have to
talk to I'll.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
Talk to see what I can find out.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
And yeah, and that always is uh, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Find those amusing. Every scene that that Archer has with.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Vaughn's character is always kind of like Archer saying, hey, listen,
we've got a problem animal Forest. We're like, well, listen, John,
We've got some diplomatic issues going on right now. Entirely.
You're on your own.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, yeah, and you are a long way from home.
So yeah, what did I write here, Valor. Yeah, the
door opens and Villas they're standing in front of the
man's right surprise bitches.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
So then we get to act five and VELAs says
that that, yeah, the bond between the Balkans and the
humans bodes well.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
I think it bodes well for the future relations of
our two people's growing.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
It's growing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I always find myself a little how do I put this?
Annoyed that, Yeah, annoyed that that it took so long
for I don't know us being out of the gate first,
and addressing in a fashion that could be useful to
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both groups that you know, hey, we don't trust you,
them saying well, we don't care.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
No.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
They repeat this theme a lot. It goes away eventually,
but not only that. Also in our own show, with
addressing to Paul, this happens over and over and over again.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, because her loyalty is constantly being challenged, isn't it.
And whenever she meets any other Valcans that come aboard,
they always bring up the fact that she's been living
amongst humans for several months now, and how on earth
are you coping, not least with the smell and and
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their food.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
And that's a good point on because you know in
that in that first exchange when to Paul is telling
her she's staying in Ho She's quarters, Yeah, and she
was like, I know, it's the smell.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
I am curious though, who previously occupied the cabin?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
The odor, the human scent is difficult to mask.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yes, like no, I just wondered why there was nothing
in the room.
Speaker 7 (38:30):
Actually, I was hoping to meet the crew member in
order to thank her for allowing me to disrupt her routine.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
There's yes, there's a nice when to Paul when how
she's finally left the room and taken the said picture,
that's the anything in there. I don't know if you
know this, but but Jolene did a sort of mm hmm.
(38:57):
I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure that that was button
on the scene or until it reprise later on in
the episode. That well, it makes me think that and
if anyone smelled the best it was, it was it
was Ho. She let's face it, yeah exactly. She looked
pretty clean.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, but it's also there's something about you know that
Volar represents in this episode some sort of I don't know,
evolutionary hybrid maybe based on her age and experience, but
someone who does not have this purification sense that that.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Well, bear in mind that, you know, I mean, if if,
if travel is the best education to erase any kind
of pre prejudices and whatever. She's been an ambassador on
a foreign planet for several several years, and you know
that's as worthy of note that she's She's come at
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it not with the sort of you know, the Council
of Vulcan mindset.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I was thinking about this when I was watching it,
that in the original series, did the Vulcans represent, say,
the Soviets.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Right, yeah, probably, or maybe the Klingons. Maybe the Klingons
were the baddies.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Well, the Klingons didn't seem to have the intelligent level
of being secretive.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Well you're gonna get in trouble for that.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Law.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
No, But I was thinking about this that that, you know,
for for I don't know, five series within this franchise,
the sort of Cold War notion of this delicate balance
between allies you know, we still lived with and you know,
(40:58):
I wonder if you know, again, does history repeat itself?
Or or how valid was that or you know, I'm
just I just found I just found myself thinking like, oh,
I get this, that we're we're trying to deal with
a a tentative ally sometimes really you know, ultimately, what
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it comes down to is that the episode winds up
being about that the the Vulcan human relationship is in
a nascent m space of growing.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, but this episode, this this incident obviously is a
is a bridge and a step towards, you know, bringing
it closer. I mean, I think the last line is
between the bond between Arction to Paul is beautiful at
the end, live long and prosper, Live long and prosper.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
She also Vlaura also says because she senses things, she
senses that to Paul and Archer are friends.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (42:11):
I sense a great bond between you, a bond of
trust and respect, but also a bond of friendship.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah. We haven't heard and we haven't even been given
any of that kind of information about how to Paul
sits in the hierarchy of personal relationships. She's still figuring
this out.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah. Yeah, that's some that's some nice stuff. I'm just
looking down all my other notes, Is there any other
sort of trivia that I noticed the last observation about
the Great bond between Archer into Paul Hart. Yes. Chris
Black noted this, Uh, that there are two allusions to
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the original series, and you've just noted one. That Vila's
observation about the great bond between Archer and to pull
hearkens back to that between Kirk and Spock. Interesting and
that's sort of worthy of note. And that God bless
your character trip down in engineering worrying about pushing the engines.
(43:25):
Captain hearkens back to the Great Mount himself.
Speaker 6 (43:30):
Scotty, ships out of skin is beginning to heat.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Captain.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
Orbit plot shows we have about eight minutes left, Scotty.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
I can't change the laws of physics.
Speaker 7 (43:40):
I've got to have thirty minutes.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
I'll tell you something, man, I have historically when I've
thought about these episodes, having not seen them and hearing
people talk about, you know, it takes every series in
the franchise, I don't know X amount of years to
find their sea legs.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
We were we were right there.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Were right there, like damn quick yeah, splity lickety split.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Our pilot, I've said it before is uh is a
bloody good pilot, and the other ones.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
And I feel like, you know, we we didn't you know,
we didn't have We'll see what season two looks like.
But I don't, I don't recall we're now, we're episode
twenty three. We've only got.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yeah and shockway one and to separate the season one
and two.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
I don't. I'm not finding quite honestly, any clunkers in
in sort of like.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
No, I'm not. I mean, I really know I'm not.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
And yeah, you know, I'm off. I find myself watching
these and being like, awfully proud.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yeah, no kidding, Yeah you should be. Your performance in
it is wonderful, mate, and you and.
Speaker 8 (45:05):
I think that I think that we as a group,
we melded very quickly, you know, and I know everyone
not everyone got to do as much as they might
have hoped they would like to have done on the show.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
But you know what I mean, I'm watching the episodes
and everyone gets a little a moment. I mean, you know,
you're on screen and you're doing something. It's not like
you're being it's not like you're an extra. No one's
an extra.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
No, and and wait until two Days and two nights,
which we're going to talk about later in the dooring directing.
And there are such complete storylines lies, yes, four or
five that happened that are complete and that are that
are wonderfully done.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Yeah, and who would have thought that Hoshi was the
only one to get her leg over exactly exactly a
bad looking bloke either.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, sip for the whole you know forehead thing.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah, well you know you don't look at the.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Indeed.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
One other trivia note, Vanila Flannagan was also in d
S nine, which had the other pretty good pilot I
will say, yeah, yeah, And she was in an episode,
the Dax episode, and she was in a next generation
episode called Inheritance, which I'd have to go back and
(46:31):
look and see what they were about. But so she was.
This was her third time coming aboard, as it were,
and I.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Want to just stay again to everyone for me, Vanilla
Flanagan was. I was so impressed to meet her. Yeah,
and I was a little bit. I was a little
bit like.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
I I best. I mean if you couldn't get Judy
Dench right, yeah, I mean, come on, yeah, this isn't
a discount Judy Dench. This is like I have an
old saying, like, you know, when when an actor is
you know, you could do it better, do you know
Judy Denk. I wonder if you do it a little
(47:16):
like Judy Dench.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
For me?
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah? Yeah, literally have you ever seen that clip of
her on yeah Norton Show. Yeah, I mean, I mean
it's just it's astounding.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
And yeah, he just says, could you do some shakespeareance?
She does on it, I don't know, fourteen or something.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
It's just beautiful. Yeah, it really is. Yeah, class acts
and she's you know, a real actors actor. She corpses
all the time. She's you know, apparently hilarious to work.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
With and and body as you can get, and body as.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
You can get. And then when when it's to an action,
it's just dialed in. And yeah, well we got we
got Fanana Flannagan. So and I didn't get really to
meet her, which was you know, I mean I think
I shook hands with her and welcome this.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah you didn't really have about it.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Now I don't have much to do with her at all.
And yeah, too busy with the AFT canons. They could
only be shot at warp. Yeah, well another good episode
and yeah, good chatting with you about it, mate, Yeah,
I've you enjoyed this.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Guys. We appreciate your eyeballs and we appreciate your support
that we see at conventions and anywhere that we go,
and we appreciate your words. They matter a great deal.
We do think that we're doing something important, and I
think that we are galvanized by the words that we
get from you all. And to your point, Dom, I
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think that you know if you can, you know, find
it in your heart.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
To it just I know what to say. I can't
tell you the delight when someone comes up to my
table at a convention and says, I've just joined Patreon.
It's not a lot of money. It just makes all
their words that much more meaningful, you know. I mean,
I for a long time. What I listened to MPR
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for a long time and I didn't join up as
a member, and whenever they had the drive, you know,
it played in my head and I'd actually switched over
to the other station, KPCC, so I couldn't have to
because I didn't have to listen to the to the
but I felt guilty and I felt I knew in
my heart I was not really you know, doing the
(49:44):
right thing. And I've long since been a member of
k CRW and because it's part of my life and
I would be lost on a daily basis without that
station in my life.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
And if you're a fan of our show, this accompaniment
that was to our show, I think and I really
believe this is that we're doing something important.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
It is for posterity and me talking. Yeah exactly. Yeah,
So thank you, there are anything the lesson and we
will see you next time
Speaker 2 (51:23):
On
The show has begun with card It's the.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Conch ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, trekkies and trekkers.
Welcome back to another watch party episode of the dcon Chamber.
I am your co host Connor Trenier, alongside my bestie
and sometimes co defendant, co host and other things you
(00:28):
won't talk about, dominic keaty Ew. Today we're going to
watch Fallen Hero episode number twenty three, story by Rick
and Brannon and Chris Chris Black and written by Alan Cross.
Also directed by Patrick Norris, who dom had approached to
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join us but had a family issue and unfortunately could.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, but another I'm not sure. I'll have to look
at to see if he directed another one. Yeah, I
don't know, but if he, if he has, he'll he'd
happily come back. He did say in his email that
he would love to rejoice, so it suggested to me
that he thinks he did, so we'll look ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Excellent. I I was very excited about this guest star,
Vanilla Flanagan. Yes, I'd seen her in the others, and
I don't remember if i'd seen Waking the Divine before that,
but I was he was the first real guest star
that we had that I can think of outside of
(01:35):
you know, star trek Alums coming in. I thought, wow,
this will be cool.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, good actress, you know seasoned and you know Tony
Numbed for that wonderful play The Ferryman that was on
Broadway by Jess Butterworth that got a lot of attention.
She had a big part and Lost, which I did
not watch, but I did, you know, understand that she was.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I got last about episode two and was like, I
can't get back on the show.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah I don't. I mean not to bang un Lost,
but I did happen to you know, so the noise
that was off screen the whole time.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Do you remember the episode? The poor black actor that
it was on a beach and he had to and
the you know, the scary noise that was going.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
To know the.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Sector what do you call it? Specter turned out to
be some sort of really fucking twenty dollars CGI waff
of black smoke. I don't know if you I happen
to catch that episode. I did not, and saw this
poor actor react to obviously, you know, a tennis ball
on a c stand. Yeah, there are sometimes on on
(02:49):
Telly particularly and film. Well, it's just a risory. I mean,
you can't help but just laugh and go. Really, you
thought you could get away with.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
That, right, and the reality is that you know you're
being told one thing while you're shooting it that is
potentially some forces and you're like.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It was honestly, it was about honestly anyway, let's not
bang on lost Lost is lost is gone. So it
starts with the teaser, which is rather interesting. You having
supper with the captain and.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
To Paul, excuse me, I asked if we heard you, And.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Very quickly we get into the discussion that she thinks
that the whole crew needs to get laid.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
What makes you think we're suffering from a lack of
sexual activity.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Before the breadsticks have even been put down, and.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
We're like, what Starfleet forbids officers from fraternizing with subordinates
unless you've been violating regularly.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
She detects a certain and you think that we need
our attentions eased, efficiencies down three percent.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You know, and the Chief Culpriate Malcolm's not even there
right crying out loud. If you're going to have that
discussion at the most tense man on the ship.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Down at the table, I took the liberty of locating
a suitable planet approximately nine days from our present location.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It's called Riser.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
So she suggests that, you know, there's this planet Riser,
which is some you know, in close proximity, and that
we all go to Riser and take a break. And
you know, she's obviously done the travelocity look up on
Riser and there's all sorts of you know, shenanigans going
on there. We get interested by the fact that they've
(04:54):
got messuss with twelve fingers.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Over again. Yeah, here's the thing too, This is the
first episode that we have that it feels as though,
because I think Desert Crossing also addresses this before we
get to two days and two nights that we're talking
about Riser.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yes, yeah, I agreed, and that's an interesting Also an
addendum is that these two episodes Fallen Hero and Desert
Crossing went out as a double banger. Yeah, I'd forgotten
that I looked at it was on Memory Alpha or
something or one of those trivia sights you can look
(05:32):
up stuff like this. So yes, so very quickly we're
set for set to get a Riser. Do you show
up in the Hawaiian shirt right away.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Rule number one.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
You've got to be seen to get noticed.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I do, and I even wrote myself a note should
have kept that shirt.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, that would have been a good one to keep.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah. But suddenly all our plans for the for the
Good Horizon massage are interrupted when we get hailed by
a Masarite. Well we don't know who it is to
start with, but we get hailed and the Masarite captain
who was played by his name down John Rubinstein, a
(06:22):
very nice level performance. I thought that was.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
In what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I assume the Vulcans have informed you of the urgency
of this matter.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Story is that the Vulcan ambassador to Mazarre I think
we're pronouncing it right, Mazar ambassador Vila played by Fernula Flanagan,
she has been uh, I mean, excommunicated from the from
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the planet for crimes and misdemeanors. What what what is
the actual it was abusive position and criminal misconduct, and
and that she's to be picked up by us and
taken back to Vulcan.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
You're rendezvous with the Vulcan ship Sharan in three days
prior to then, well.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
The Vulcan ship is going to meet us, the Vulcans ship.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Charan's going to meet us and take her back prior
to her then having to return and face these charges.
So we're right, okay. And an archer, I think he
asks what these charges? What they you know, what the
the crimes are, and can get no straight answer other
than we're just to again, you know, the Vulcans are
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keeping us in the dark.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Well let's make come as a shock to you, John,
But the Vulcans are talking.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Imagine that.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It also comes back to a point of of you
know they can they did this less later on in
our show, but continually hammering you know, Vulcan protocol and
not talking and they not sharing. You know, we learned
something about our warp speed.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yes, that's I mean obviously comes up. Yeah, I mean
you know, I mean voyager was banging around. God knows,
you think they would have got home a bit quicker.
War point. I I'm never going to let that go.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
She's clearly different she you know, when we first meet her,
she's clearly different from what we expect. Yes, I mean
about Vulcans.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
So Paul has warned us all that, you know, no handshakes,
no jokes, no, you know, don't be don't speak to
her unless spoken to.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Don't offer to shake hands, refrain from laughing in her presence.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Those guidelines are largely precautionary.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
She has prepared to give up her cabin to accommodate her.
And I mean the cabin is you know, there's not
a speck of dust, but there's one sort of inconsequential
piece of the photo something. Yeah, not even I mean,
And to Paul says, are you going to leave that?
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Ambassador Balar is accustomed to a spartan environment.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Ambassador of a Lah likes a spartan environment.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Just hope it's spartan enough, sir.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
And so how she takes that with her.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Because you know, is it the previous episode where to
Paul helps HOHI figure out the language that they seem
to have had some sort of connection. Yes, just that
that falls through the cracks here.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
If you feel I've been unfair to you, I apologize,
but I hold you to a high standards.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
And because I know you're capable of achieving it.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
One of the things that happens in this scene that
we meet together, she comes up, yes, we have when
we have dinner.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And well, first of all, you should we should were
skipping a little bit. She when she first arrives from
the transporter, uh, well, the the the Maserite shuttle pot
if you will, that docs with us. And as soon
as she comes aboard, her hand is.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Out, Ambassador on behalf of my crew. I'd like to
welcome you aboard Enterprise.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Thank you. Right, so, you know, not not once, but
twice and maybe three times.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
There is Commander Charles Tucker, my chief engineer, pleased to meet.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
The pleasure is mine, Commander.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
And she makes a joke about when you're having dinner. Yeah,
I mean that's when you how.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Old are you? How have you been a diplomat?
Speaker 7 (10:49):
Commander Tucker? I understood that on your world it is
considered bad manners to ask a lady her age.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Well I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I didn't mean to imply that you were.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
Forgive me, Commander my attempt at humor.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah. Yeah, Trip puts his foot right in it.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah too. Is that is that it's the first time
we questioned how old is to Paul?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Suffice it to say that with De Paul and myself here,
you're almost certainly dining with the two oldest people on
this ship.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Well, I did the math on this. The law alludes
to her and to Paul being the two oldest on
the ship. Canonically, the law has ends up being as
ninety four years old, and the math works out that
to Paul is sixty four, which is my age. So wow,
(11:57):
I know she looks pretty good for sixty four.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
It does look pretty good for this. So we have
we have did I will say this within that. That
was the first scene that I shot with Fanula, and
I was very excited to work with her and very kind,
you know, an actor's actor. But she came in and
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did something that I could never do, which is too
She didn't know her lines. I mean, she was familiar
with them, but she knew her own process. And she
was like, you know, reading off the page and I
don't know if somebody said something or she sent something,
and she was like, oh no, no, I'll learn this
(12:41):
when you light it. And sure as hell she did.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
She didn't have small amounts to say either, I know,
but she walked.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
In holding script and reading from the page and and
and I think that it was clear that you know,
she has that rarefied ability. Yeah, look at something, take
in directions, see what's going on, and then learn it.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, and you know, given them we we've you know this,
this comes up a lot. And when we discuss our show,
is that they wanted it dead letter perfect. There was
no room for nearly got it. Yeah, I'm not. I'm
not that actor. I like to show up to set
pretty much off book. I like to dance, you know,
(13:32):
knowing the steps. And I've likened this once or twice
to learning the tango or something.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
What's the other one that's the Tango's particularly you know
worthy They glide like it's effortless, but the amount of
rehearsal that's gone in to have those steps look so.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well swing swing dancing is the same thing. It looks
so freaking easy. But man, you man exactly. But the
thing about it is is that when you know your points,
you can have the freedom to dance.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
You can, Yeah you can, And it's uh, I just
don't like the feeling as an actor half knowing it.
You can't. I you know, I'm I I don't know
how to say. I mean, I'm not. I am a
new I'm a nuanced actor, but every nuance is considered.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, it makes I don't Here's the thing, there's it's
such an artificial environment that you already, especially as a
guest actor, have enough nerves that you don't know anybody,
You don't know then of what the director wants. And
and and if if I've if I would ever come
into a situation where I was like, yeah, I kind
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of know it, I would lose confidence. Yeah I could
possibly do.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, I mean she's Lalla fan again, so maybe she
and you know, she came dressed like, you know, in regality,
and you know, and and look she's just got chops.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And the eyes.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And the eyes. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I was watching this episode and I remember thinking, you know,
film television acting is so different than it is on stage.
And she in particular recognized this, you know, as a
old hat at it as it were that it all
just lived right here, all just lives right there, and
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it sort of flows out off of it.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
The rest of it was just it's just you know, still.
And that's a great lesson for any actor is stillness
is so powerful. Be still, especially on stage unless the
character is Jimmy Dean, and illness is a very powerful.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Tool to just super class. It's a secret sauce in
life too, I believe. So we get to act too,
and we're attacked by the Maserites.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
What the hell is he doing?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Heal, he's not answering.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Pored whole play things offline and they want her back,
and Captain Archer does some nice delaying tactics so that
he can sort of get a handle on what's going
down here.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And fantastic visual effects in that.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, no kidding, yeah, really, yeah, very good. We we
can't fire the phase canons at warp, much to malcolm chagrin.
Would the phase cannons be more effective, undoubtedly, but we
can't fire them at war.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
What do you mean we can't fire them at war.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Particle discharge, sir? It would destabilize our warp field and
most likely out both them cells. I've been working on
the problem, but I haven't quite and we have to go.
We have to slow down to impulse in order to I.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Wrote, I wrote a note about this. Seems gleeful about
firing a.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Failing I didn't water, sir. I made up my mind
early on that whenever Malcolm got to to fire that
fire or anything or blow anything up, he was it
was like, you know, it was like, yeah, one in
the arm. We're just we were talking earlier today about
some new merchandise for the show, and some new T
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shirts are coming out. One that we didn't discuss was
that I wanted one with Malcolm going, please let me
blow it up, sir. We'll put that in the in
the bars.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
But you know, Vlaura is still keeping us from the
dark about all of this.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
She's very vague, isn't she yes? About what what it
is that she might have might not have done, and
why the mas rites are so intense on taking her back.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
There are diplomatic matters at stake here which do not
concern you. To tell you any more would only put
your ship and your crew at greater risk.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
How much greater could it get a few more volage
from that ship would have ruptured our hull.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Well and Valar have a nice scene. I think this
is right when they're walking toward her quarters where they're
talking about, you know, trust issues and withholding information.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
We've kept many things from them, all for good reason.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
But situations like this only reinforce the resentment.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
To Paul has already mentioned. I mean, this is the
old adage about be careful about meeting your Heroes. She
to Paul confides with Captain Archer that she had gone
to see Ambassador Vala speak.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Thinking that Vollar would not remember that I've.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Met the ambassador before, though she clearly doesn't recall. It
was many years ago on Vulcan, during my early schooling.
She had just negotiated the Treaty of Katan, and I
traveled a great distance to see her.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Ah the Treaty of Katan. That's right. She went to
see her speak about the Treaty of Katan, and she
was upset by by what the ambassador had said at
that conference, and she actually went up and sort of
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confronted her as a young girl. As a young girl,
she's probably forty four, yes, And as you say, Vella
of course remembered, well, this young angenue coming to school
her about what she'd said.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
You remember, you were not easy to forget.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Your questions.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
My negotiating tactics were quite presumptuous, coming from one so young.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
And she took it to heart and actually went back
and redressed her feelings and thoughts and eventually her policy
about what she'd she'd said that at that conference.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
In fact, your bluntness made me reconsider some of my
positions much as it has now.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Well, there's also a conversation about like warp tech versus
earned trust. Yeah, and that comes to play in Act
three when we are reaching our limit because we're a
warp five show.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yes, So the the the policy, well, I mean the
the what's the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
The ability for.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Well, our plan now is to try and outrun this
matter of right ship, which is a bit more powerful
than ours, perhaps certainly with its firepower. But they have
not gotten warp five. Well, they've they've maybe they're on
the brink of it. We can our ship on paper
will do warp five.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It's called a warped five engine on paper.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
But we've only ever gone to four what's their.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Top speed probable to starfleet?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I don't believe they've exceeded warp five.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, there's that lovely sequence where we're ramping her up
to four seven.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Four point four eight four point nine warp five.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
And I love, honestly that when it cuts down to
engineering and you still see smoke coming.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Out of coming out of the grills, it's like an
old seventies Mustang.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
It's rather amusing. There's a lovely shot there actually, when
we're going through engineering, Patrick Nor shot us from underneath.
We were on top on the metal ray, on the
metal balcony, and he shot a stumber. He shot us
from underneath, Yeah, which looked absolutely great. I really I
really noticed that that was you know, and then he
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ended he did some coverage I think with us face
to face, but the conversation that was on the move
was really nicely shot.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Well done. Yeah, I would also I would say that
he did a very good job at shooting this episode.
And and you know, you've got you've got several scenes
which are sort of standard walking and talking or when
when when there was movement and action. I thought that
he moved the camera very well, which to me is
(22:46):
a secret of a good filmmaker. Yeah, you know, recognizing
that the camera is also part of the story and
not recording it.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah. I was just looking just to flight. Go back
to a bit of trivia. When to Paul has that
conversation with Captain Archer about the Katan Treaty and seeing
the la all those years before, there's this lovely picture
on the wall of his ready room, which I thought
was the spruce goose. Howard Hughes's huge plane still.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I believe the largest built.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Plane that is still. I mean, I've seen it up,
I've actually seen it. I've first of you. It's amazing,
isn't it. And it's made of wood. It's quite remarkable.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
And it got about that high off the water.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, it did fly, but anyway, it wasn't the Spruce Goose.
It turns out it was actually the California Clipper. And
the picture is a bit flying over the Golden Gate
Bridge in nineteen thirty five. Wow, And I thought that
was worthy of note.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
We're all the precursor to the B fifty two.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yes, good scene between to Paul and Archer that I
seem to remember. I remember I made an of that.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
I can't accept that she'd sacrifice a lifetime of accomplishment
with an act of criminal misconduct.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
It happens all the time.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Not to her. We must take her to the Sharan,
I tell you.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I mean, I don't know people. People give the Scott
a bit of sticks, really, but I think I loved
his performance as Jonathan Archer. I thought it was it
was measured and you.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Know, absolute leader.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, And and we willing to listen when
it was worth listening to and then quite adamantly, no,
I'm the captain and this is what we're doing. And
if you know one thing about humans, we don't always
act logically, and so take your logic and st in
(25:00):
particular with the Vulcan's sundown shine right.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, there's a lot in there in this episode about
the disgruntlement between us and our relationship with the Vulcans
and them, you know, purposely keeping us in the dark.
There's a nice you know line there.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Well, it's this sense of colonialism in a way that
like you're not ready, you're.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Not ready, and as she said, I mean, is it,
Vilala says, you know, you know, why would we trust you.
You've just come out of a massive global war, and
were we going to We're just going to readily introduce
you to the interstellar community. You had just.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
Emerged from a global war. The idea that you deemed
yourselves ready to join the interstellar community seemed premature.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
The bomb Yeah not yet. Yeah, yeah, so you were ready.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well we're still we're still going. We're trying to reach
warp five where we get to work five and the
ship is.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
About to blow.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
It's rumbling like a Jaloppe going as fast as it can. Yeah,
dug it up, Bridge, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
The boarding trip is just blue.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
We've got to school down Jim.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Vella wants to surrender, Archer refuses on account of the ship.
You know is you know, she's putting us all at risk.
And that's when I think he says, you know, you
don't know humans well enough to know that we're not
always we don't always act logically.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
If you've learned anything about humans, you know, we don't
always take the most logical course of action.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
We act with you know, morality and loyalty.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
And then it turns out that that she is, which
is gathering evidence.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Maserit's pursuing us are criminals that include eliminating anyone who
stands in their way, and.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
That would include you.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
She's pursing the Masurite government again, you know, persing the
Mazarite government of you know, absolute corruption. And isn't that
I mean again, these episodes, these last few episodes have
been so timely in the time we are living in.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I'm telling you, I'm telling you if you want to
watch a show that was made obviously twenty five years ago. Yeah,
echoes exactly what's happening right now? Yeah, this season one
does this episode however, and episode.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, it's quite extraordinary, and you know, I mean and
sad in a way. I mean, we are living I know,
I'm not going to get too into the reads the
weeds of the politics, but we're living in some fucking
fairly strange times.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
We're living in a time that reminds us that history
repeats itself.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, aren't we no kidding? And then this sort of
ticking clock, you know, the old dramatic ticking clock is
introduced about can the Vulcan ship the Scharan get to
us in time? As we beatle towards it at four
point nine to five, possibly going to blow ourselves up?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
When?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
And can they get to us before the Mazurites get
to us and and blow us up?
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Sharon is capable of warp seven. If we could maintain
warp five, we'd reach them in twelve minutes.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Well, we have to slow down, and we have to
slow down exactly. And there's I like that. I've always
liked the ticking clock in any kind of dramatic story.
It's a good it's a good ploy. And yeah, have
you ever seen heih noon, Yes, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's the first movie to take place in real time. Yes,
(29:05):
it is. Yeah, and that's actually I just was I
don't know why I was reading about this the other day.
It's historically, of course, it's not accurate at all. No, no, no, no,
it's you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
But but the movie works at the same time as
time itself, which is fascinating. And as you said, you know,
you're working against the ticking Clark.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah. So we get to act four and Valla wants
to send a message to Sharanta to tell them to help.
Speaker 7 (29:35):
There's a diplomatic frequency. We sometimes use it in a
lower subspace band. I dealt the mas rights are aware
of it.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
This is a rather amusing but that diplomatic channel that
the Mazaites keep blocking, apparently there's some subspace.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
By the way, I've got another phone.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Some subspace communication frequency that we can level.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
It's been a few years since I did this.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
What's the password? I wouldn't you know, I mean, i'd
be screwed. I mean, you know, damn one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight three h one. Engineer is literally blowing up. They're
catching us. We need ten minutes we've talked about the
ticking clock. And then this is when we send her
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down to Sick Bay to sort of secrete her with
doctor Flocks.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
We just need to buy ten more minutes. Captain, I
want you to go to sick Bay. Sick be I'll
explain later. If there was ever a time to start
trusting us, this would be it.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
He's removing it from the chair and that's so. Then
the Mazzi writes, they arrived, they bored us, and where
is the ambassador. She's not well. She's in sick Bay.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
She was no more than ten meters away when the
condo went blue.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Her injuries are extensive.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I didn't recognize that Flox's character quite had the uh
moral and ethical acuity to do what he did. He
does it also, it does a lost is a lot,
and he says, this is this is this is basically
my ship, and I'm the captain in sick Bay.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I don't know what business you have with this woman,
but when she was brought in here, she became my patient.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I removed her from the image chamber prematurely.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
She'll die.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I think that's that's very interesting, that that that in
sick Bay he operates his domain.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, and uh yeah, my word is is final. And
you know Malcolm's fall and foul of that, and and
now the Maserites do, which is uh, it was, it's
rather nice and uh but then they're having none of it,
and they think that she's in the I don't know
what it is, the m r I machine. Yeah, they
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put me in there once. You know, I've done a
few MRIs.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
But yeah, listen, you could not you could not be
wary of close spaces on this show.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
No, no, you couldn't know. And we've talked about Shuttle
Pod one. The amount of times we must have banged
our head on them, those bloody metal rafters. I mean
it literally was.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Uh So they shoot it up the MRI machine, thinking
that the Ambassador is inside there.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Because you're scan is up on the screen.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah, scans up on the screen. And then they're well
duped by the illusionist doctor card.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I wonder the body card.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I love it. He does Friday nights at the Magic Castle.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I don't Yeah, yeah, close table, close tables.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I've got five wives, four wives, three wives. Where did
the wife go? She's right new, Yeah, take my wife,
take her? Uh where are we?
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Well?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Then, they shoot the they shoot the scan place up.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yes, and then they're all.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
We did what we came to do.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
That's all that matters. And then they turn around, door
opens and there's thelar.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I am sorry to disappoint you, and there's Bala.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
I look forward to adding this incident to my testimony
at your trial.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, surprise. And then the Vulcans show up. Of course,
the big, the big. It's a big battle cruiser. Man,
this is you know, yeah, this is the big. I'm
just reading that book about Churchill's Ungentlemanly Wore. There was
a huge battle cruiser called the Trippits that Hitler had
had built and it was stationed at San Nazaire in
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for France. And the way we uh put her out
of service wasn't by blowing her up, because that was
an impossibility was just too big. We absolutely with the
sub with a gorilla warfare subterfuge. We absolutely massacred the
(34:29):
holding gates that kept the water in, that kept her afloat,
and so so she she just became you know, a
standing you know, mausoleum. And it's quite a good book
I recommend anyway. Yeah, so the Sala, the Charon shows
up and just blows them out of the water.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
The other thing is like, you know, when you see
visually Enterprise, which is I don't know an eighth of
the side of this ship that the Federation would have
been like, hang on a minute, what are you guys doing?
And if we're supposed to be teammates, why aren't you helping?
(35:13):
And this is what this episode's about.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, it is. And the tension being that, you know,
they won't let us know what she's guilty of or why,
you know, and it's there's there's there's always those communications
between Archer and Vaughan Armstrong as Admiral Forrest. You know, Jonathan,
(35:37):
I'll have to get back to you. I need to
talk John.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I'm not really sure what we can do here, but
we're going to try our best, and you have to
talk to I'll.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
Talk to see what I can find out.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
And yeah, and that always is uh, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Find those amusing. Every scene that that Archer has with.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Vaughn's character is always kind of like Archer saying, hey, listen,
we've got a problem animal Forest. We're like, well, listen, John,
We've got some diplomatic issues going on right now. Entirely.
You're on your own.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, yeah, and you are a long way from home.
So yeah, what did I write here, Valor. Yeah, the
door opens and Villas they're standing in front of the
man's right surprise bitches.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
So then we get to act five and VELAs says
that that, yeah, the bond between the Balkans and the
humans bodes well.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
I think it bodes well for the future relations of
our two people's growing.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
It's growing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I always find myself a little how do I put this?
Annoyed that, Yeah, annoyed that that it took so long
for I don't know us being out of the gate first,
and addressing in a fashion that could be useful to
(37:13):
both groups that you know, hey, we don't trust you,
them saying well, we don't care.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
No.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
They repeat this theme a lot. It goes away eventually,
but not only that. Also in our own show, with
addressing to Paul, this happens over and over and over again.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, because her loyalty is constantly being challenged, isn't it.
And whenever she meets any other Valcans that come aboard,
they always bring up the fact that she's been living
amongst humans for several months now, and how on earth
are you coping, not least with the smell and and
(38:02):
their food.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
And that's a good point on because you know in
that in that first exchange when to Paul is telling
her she's staying in Ho She's quarters, Yeah, and she
was like, I know, it's the smell.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
I am curious though, who previously occupied the cabin?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
The odor, the human scent is difficult to mask.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yes, like no, I just wondered why there was nothing
in the room.
Speaker 7 (38:30):
Actually, I was hoping to meet the crew member in
order to thank her for allowing me to disrupt her routine.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
There's yes, there's a nice when to Paul when how
she's finally left the room and taken the said picture,
that's the anything in there. I don't know if you
know this, but but Jolene did a sort of mm hmm.
(38:57):
I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure that that was button
on the scene or until it reprise later on in
the episode. That well, it makes me think that and
if anyone smelled the best it was, it was it
was Ho. She let's face it, yeah exactly. She looked
pretty clean.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, but it's also there's something about you know that
Volar represents in this episode some sort of I don't know,
evolutionary hybrid maybe based on her age and experience, but
someone who does not have this purification sense that that.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Well, bear in mind that, you know, I mean, if if,
if travel is the best education to erase any kind
of pre prejudices and whatever. She's been an ambassador on
a foreign planet for several several years, and you know
that's as worthy of note that she's She's come at
(40:00):
it not with the sort of you know, the Council
of Vulcan mindset.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I was thinking about this when I was watching it,
that in the original series, did the Vulcans represent, say,
the Soviets.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Right, yeah, probably, or maybe the Klingons. Maybe the Klingons
were the baddies.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Well, the Klingons didn't seem to have the intelligent level
of being secretive.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Well you're gonna get in trouble for that.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Law.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
No, But I was thinking about this that that, you know,
for for I don't know, five series within this franchise,
the sort of Cold War notion of this delicate balance
between allies you know, we still lived with and you know,
(40:58):
I wonder if you know, again, does history repeat itself?
Or or how valid was that or you know, I'm
just I just found I just found myself thinking like, oh,
I get this, that we're we're trying to deal with
a a tentative ally sometimes really you know, ultimately, what
(41:22):
it comes down to is that the episode winds up
being about that the the Vulcan human relationship is in
a nascent m space of growing.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, but this episode, this this incident obviously is a
is a bridge and a step towards, you know, bringing
it closer. I mean, I think the last line is
between the bond between Arction to Paul is beautiful at
the end, live long and prosper, Live long and prosper.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
She also Vlaura also says because she senses things, she
senses that to Paul and Archer are friends.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (42:11):
I sense a great bond between you, a bond of
trust and respect, but also a bond of friendship.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah. We haven't heard and we haven't even been given
any of that kind of information about how to Paul
sits in the hierarchy of personal relationships. She's still figuring
this out.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah. Yeah, that's some that's some nice stuff. I'm just
looking down all my other notes, Is there any other
sort of trivia that I noticed the last observation about
the Great bond between Archer into Paul Hart. Yes. Chris
Black noted this, Uh, that there are two allusions to
(43:02):
the original series, and you've just noted one. That Vila's
observation about the great bond between Archer and to pull
hearkens back to that between Kirk and Spock. Interesting and
that's sort of worthy of note. And that God bless
your character trip down in engineering worrying about pushing the engines.
(43:25):
Captain hearkens back to the Great Mount himself.
Speaker 6 (43:30):
Scotty, ships out of skin is beginning to heat.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Captain.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
Orbit plot shows we have about eight minutes left, Scotty.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
I can't change the laws of physics.
Speaker 7 (43:40):
I've got to have thirty minutes.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
I'll tell you something, man, I have historically when I've
thought about these episodes, having not seen them and hearing
people talk about, you know, it takes every series in
the franchise, I don't know X amount of years to
find their sea legs.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
We were we were right there.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Were right there, like damn quick yeah, splity lickety split.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Our pilot, I've said it before is uh is a
bloody good pilot, and the other ones.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
And I feel like, you know, we we didn't you know,
we didn't have We'll see what season two looks like.
But I don't, I don't recall we're now, we're episode
twenty three. We've only got.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yeah and shockway one and to separate the season one
and two.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
I don't. I'm not finding quite honestly, any clunkers in
in sort of like.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
No, I'm not. I mean, I really know I'm not.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
And yeah, you know, I'm off. I find myself watching
these and being like, awfully proud.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yeah, no kidding, Yeah you should be. Your performance in
it is wonderful, mate, and you and.
Speaker 8 (45:05):
I think that I think that we as a group,
we melded very quickly, you know, and I know everyone
not everyone got to do as much as they might
have hoped they would like to have done on the show.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
But you know what I mean, I'm watching the episodes
and everyone gets a little a moment. I mean, you know,
you're on screen and you're doing something. It's not like
you're being it's not like you're an extra. No one's
an extra.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
No, and and wait until two Days and two nights,
which we're going to talk about later in the dooring directing.
And there are such complete storylines lies, yes, four or
five that happened that are complete and that are that
are wonderfully done.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Yeah, and who would have thought that Hoshi was the
only one to get her leg over exactly exactly a
bad looking bloke either.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, sip for the whole you know forehead thing.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah, well you know you don't look at the.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Indeed.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
One other trivia note, Vanila Flannagan was also in d
S nine, which had the other pretty good pilot I
will say, yeah, yeah, And she was in an episode,
the Dax episode, and she was in a next generation
episode called Inheritance, which I'd have to go back and
(46:31):
look and see what they were about. But so she was.
This was her third time coming aboard, as it were,
and I.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Want to just stay again to everyone for me, Vanilla
Flanagan was. I was so impressed to meet her. Yeah,
and I was a little bit. I was a little
bit like.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
I I best. I mean if you couldn't get Judy
Dench right, yeah, I mean, come on, yeah, this isn't
a discount Judy Dench. This is like I have an
old saying, like, you know, when when an actor is
you know, you could do it better, do you know
Judy Denk. I wonder if you do it a little
(47:16):
like Judy Dench.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
For me?
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah? Yeah, literally have you ever seen that clip of
her on yeah Norton Show. Yeah, I mean, I mean
it's just it's astounding.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
And yeah, he just says, could you do some shakespeareance?
She does on it, I don't know, fourteen or something.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
It's just beautiful. Yeah, it really is. Yeah, class acts
and she's you know, a real actors actor. She corpses
all the time. She's you know, apparently hilarious to work.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
With and and body as you can get, and body as.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
You can get. And then when when it's to an action,
it's just dialed in. And yeah, well we got we
got Fanana Flannagan. So and I didn't get really to
meet her, which was you know, I mean I think
I shook hands with her and welcome this.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah you didn't really have about it.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Now I don't have much to do with her at all.
And yeah, too busy with the AFT canons. They could
only be shot at warp. Yeah, well another good episode
and yeah, good chatting with you about it, mate, Yeah,
I've you enjoyed this.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Guys. We appreciate your eyeballs and we appreciate your support
that we see at conventions and anywhere that we go,
and we appreciate your words. They matter a great deal.
We do think that we're doing something important, and I
think that we are galvanized by the words that we
get from you all. And to your point, Dom, I
(48:55):
think that you know if you can, you know, find
it in your heart.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
To it just I know what to say. I can't
tell you the delight when someone comes up to my
table at a convention and says, I've just joined Patreon.
It's not a lot of money. It just makes all
their words that much more meaningful, you know. I mean,
I for a long time. What I listened to MPR
(49:22):
for a long time and I didn't join up as
a member, and whenever they had the drive, you know,
it played in my head and I'd actually switched over
to the other station, KPCC, so I couldn't have to
because I didn't have to listen to the to the
but I felt guilty and I felt I knew in
my heart I was not really you know, doing the
(49:44):
right thing. And I've long since been a member of
k CRW and because it's part of my life and
I would be lost on a daily basis without that
station in my life.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
And if you're a fan of our show, this accompaniment
that was to our show, I think and I really
believe this is that we're doing something important.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
It is for posterity and me talking. Yeah exactly. Yeah,
So thank you, there are anything the lesson and we
will see you next time
Speaker 2 (51:23):
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