February 9, 2025 • 42 mins
Join Dominic and Connor as we revisit "Fight or Flight" from Season 1, and share behind-the-scenes stories, commentary, and plenty of laughs.
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Speaker 1 (00:46):
I know that ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, trekkies
and trekkers, welcome back to the Decon Chamber. We are
doing another watch party, second three. It's called Fight or Flight.
Episode one and two were our pilots and it really
(01:10):
highlights our entire cast in this episode and directed by
Alan Croker, written by Rick and Brannan obviously, and to
be honest, I didn't really remember this episode when I
watched it, and then I watched it and all of
a sudden, I was like, oh, yeah, oh those lines,
(01:33):
those scenes, So let's get to it.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Man. I really, I really did remember this episode, and
I remember it for a couple of reasons, really that
it's cemented. What I could tell was going to be
Malcolm's go to byeline that he wants to blow s
(01:57):
h one t up all the time. And because no
one came to me and said, look, this is going
to be your you know, comic relief motif, but I
luckily saw that that was playable. And I tell you
the other thing that really struck out at me was,
you know, stage nine, when we went aboard that spaceship
(02:19):
to find those humanoids strung up by that other alien
race that were sucking them dry of their you know,
lymphatic whatever's yeah, the triglyceroids or whatever. I just thought, Wow,
look at this playground that they're going to create for us.
(02:41):
It was Mesmeric and our first day in the suits,
which were like, okay, you know, but we were excited.
We were all excited, no kidding, I mean it was
super exciting and to get to work with her. As
you say, it was an ensemble piece and.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, I remember very clearly thinking having watched the episode, Look,
we didn't know how the was six of us Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Seven, isn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
How we were going to sort of interact one another.
And I remember thinking after the pilot, we got that
episode and it seemed to feature Hoshi.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Definitely, and I thought that was a lovely, uh ponduit
to the to the feel of the show that we
were this you know, very new explorative outfit in space,
and you know, we were going where no one had
gone before. And I love the fact that it was
seen through this this young student's eyes, as it were.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
And I will say, as an actor, I was jealous.
I were you, definitely jealous. I read the episode and
was like, huh, well, they're gonna they're going to feature Linda. Yeah,
I had no idea. Of course we're in episode three,
and yeah, I my competitive spirits got.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I mean, there you were that scene when you're walking
down the corridor with Scott like you're like the other
porthoce can I.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I I also recall very clearly in in the scene
where I was in the EV suit for a moment
and how she is saying that she's not really sure
she wants to do it, and and trips kind of like, eh,
you should. Yeah, I wasn't really working at helping her.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
No, that's set up scene. And at the beginning of
the episode with her and uh and John as doctor.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Let's start with that.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Let's start with the because it's a really good setup
scene that you know, our only findings to date is
the small slug.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Banana slug, banana slug.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
And uh and and and it's a sort of you know,
it's an allegory for what are we doing here? Your frustration?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Where's home?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
And where's home?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I mean, and you know, it was a little unexplained
Scott's odd behavior hearing the squeak under his ready room floor,
but that I guess was meant to elucidate his frustration
with you know, what are we doing here sitting around?
(05:48):
I loved it when when Linda walks in because uh
to Paul's already there and they're discussing, you know, what
they should be doing, and Linda walks in.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's walked in on something else, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Are we all good here?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
All right?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Very funny, But yeah, that's that's that's sick based scene.
And there's another one after that is uh is very
cleverly written, and it sets up what this these initial
episodes are going to be about. Uh. And you know
John John's delivery is so good and professional that you
(06:29):
know he he's the sort of thoughtful vulcan, if you will,
or the feeling vulcan. He's dispassionately feeling and and he's just.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Basically or you could go back and be a teacher.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yes, it's a lovely line, isn't it a lovely line?
And uh?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And he was a bit snarkier early on.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
It was quite quite sort of bullish, wasn't he. And
he couldn't wait to feed the slug to his the whatever,
the bat bat or whatever. Yeah, and then yes, I
mean the I mean the just the amount of work
to create those humanoids slung upside down with those tubes.
(07:11):
And do you remember that set?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It was well, I didn't see that set because I
was never I was I was never in the room
where they were all hanging down. I was only in
the room with Hoshi sort of like working the beauty thing.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, you were the Colm, that's right. It was an
amazing set and it really took my breath away. It
was like Wow, this is this is this is proper,
this is They're not playing around here.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
And it was experienced the first time putting on the
EB suit.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Oh well do you remember. I mean we've talked about
this over the years. I mean those helmets were seventeen
eighteen pounds supported only by your neck. They weren't attached
to the shoulders, so literally your neck was holding that
thing up. I mean, well, when we get to mind
for you that one man I had abs like.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Steel and ergonomically, ergonomically the.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Back that way too, was set way too.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Far back and high.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah yeah, And do you remember it? It really dug
into your shoulders here because it had all the battery
packs which supported the whole light system and the breathing system,
which was real. It was real, and they weren't they
weren't you know? That rubber was gotta be I got
to think, you know, at least five to six millimeters thick.
(08:38):
It wasn't slim stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Well, what I was told by Bob Blackman, our costume designer,
that these were designed this was the same material that
they used.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
They might use in real right, and I think they
cost am I remembering this? Right? Were they twenty grand each?
Were they were they were they they might have that
I might be I think they weren't one hundred grand each?
Were there were?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
There were twenty dollars?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Was a twenty grand? Yeah cheap? And it was only
when uh Scott and I did in the beginning of
season two we did minefield together and he was in
his suit a lot to rescue me off the the
what do you call it, the wing of the romulan,
the mine, the mine. He put his back out, do
(09:29):
you remember, and he had that personal trainer, Mark, who
suddenly came around and all of a sudden everything was
ergonomically redesigned and we had now we had a belt
that had supported the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
He also built from the boxes the what do they
call the in our You know you've got quarterboxes, hat boxes,
and apple boxes. Apple box, Yeah, so weird. That's what
they built.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Sit down and rest without taking the whole damn thing.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
For all apple box on one side and then a
full box inside, so we could really sit down and
rest the back and take the relief off.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, only Anthony, Only Anthony. That the young chicken could
run around in that thing all day like I've ever ready,
Bunny I mean, honestly, there was one episode we did together, and.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Also the reality that like you know, your your breath
it did you know it depended on the temperature in
the room if your breath showed up on this on
the yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
So I like this idea of flight or fight, fight
or flight because it's uh, the tenet of the episode
really is is and it comes up in that dyner
scene that's so slight. I thought Scott slightly overplayed it
from the top that you remember when you're pouring the
tea and you haven't been on the ship. And I,
(10:55):
if I dare say, I mean, he he comes into
the scene already this top, and I think he could
have found his way to They had families, we should
have done this. But he was already you know, he
was already there. He you know, I guess in his
mind's eye, he'd already had all day to ferment this.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
As captain.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, as the captain, I I personally would have would
have found would have would have come in a little
lower and found my way to that.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Let me ask you something I thought about this, So,
what would you have done in the city deciding factor
of that scene? Would you have left. Would you have stayed?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
We were?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
It's our second interaction with a slug But you know, like,
and I've asked myself this, what would you have done? Like,
what what is your responsibility? You know you're coming ship
that's a ghost ship based everybody's eye for their lymphatic fluids.
(12:08):
And uh, you've got two options, one being Okay, we're
going to make sure we figured this out. It's our
first time out, by the way, it's our first time out.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And are you going to then We're not. It's not jambourine.
We've come to a death squad, you know, ship exactly,
So you've got to it comes to Auschwitz.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
You know, what do you do? You've got one, which
is we're going to take off, or two we're going
to come. And as he says in that scene at dinner,
he's like, you know, they were people famili That was.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
The line that really, you know, got me. They were
krewman in uniform. Yeah, like like we are what would
you do? You know, no one left behind as it were,
That's what it's talking to. And and I loved, you know,
his his thrust to Jolene. If they were vulcans, what
(13:07):
would you have done. And her logic is, but they
weren't vulcans, and we wouldn't have been there, so you know, exactly,
we wouldn't have been there in the first place.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Our protocol. Yeah, it gives to me a sense that
I didn't really recognize doing the show that initially we
had a really truly militaristic, military sense of what we
were supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, indeed, and you know, leave no one behind, yeah,
even if they're not.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah. And that's and the fact that he when he
walks out the door. It may have taken us a
few thousand years to get to this sense of what's
the word. It's something morality, but correct morality, and maybe
that we aren't interfering here, but this is the right
(14:00):
thing to do as humans. Righteousness, it's it is, there
is a righteousness there. This is the right thing to do.
And then we the next scene is with Mayweather turn
the ship around and we're going back.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
But it's like, I mean, you know, righteousness, come hell
or high water, We're not meant to be doing this.
We're meant to be exploring you find something that is
this scenario that it is like, oh well, wow, that
is crazy and we've nothing to do with it. But
his decision as the captain to come back and you know,
(14:35):
uh reevaluate or or reconsider what our role is almost
seemed a little antithetical to the goal of going out
and exploring.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Well yeah, but it's but I also like the fact
that it sets up archers u moral compass and this
this this this thematic it continues through the series. You know,
Jonathan Marcher is always going to you know, uh revert
(15:10):
to that that leave no one behind. This is the
right thing, this is the moral, uh correct thing to do.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And well, but I would also argue, then all of
a sudden, now you you're putting because because are are
We've been shot at, You've got an entire crew on
your ship that you're also protecting. So it's a really
interesting dynamic.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
It is. It is And uh yeah, I'm just thinking
of a reply to that. I mean, it's a it's
a conundrum, isn't it. Uh And you know, and and
and at the same time, from Malcolm's point of view,
we've gone out there, we're not actually ready to be
(15:54):
out there to to to meet an adversary in any
way at all at all. I mean, there's those scenes
are comic when it glances that when he finally hits
a meteorite and it glances off and comes heading back,
and everyone's like, Malcolm, there's some good I like. I
(16:16):
tell you what I like about our show. A lot
of the times there's there's often just little comic reliefs
that are quite beautiful and their character driven. You had
one in your Puppy Dog march up the corridor. You know,
I love I love I told you when we were
on the phone earlier together. Today, I love Malcolm's reaction
to put the guns away. Malcolm, we're not going to war,
(16:40):
and he kind of literally rolls his eyes at the.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Captain joy Killer while you're playing. And also it's interesting
too that you know by that point in our show.
You know, I don't recall in the pilot that I
had a spot next to you, and.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I remember fighting hard that you were never going to
stand there because I know'd ye I'd be losing my
single and he'd we have two shots with you. I
wasn't happy.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
That was always like I shouldn't be on the bridge.
And I think in that episode Establishers that I've.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Got my little spot I know I fought hard against that.
I'll tell you in the shadows.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Not him, not now, never over there?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
What else? Uh So then we get back to the
ship and we're figuring out I tell you what I mean,
let's go back to Hosi because I mean, you know,
with all her work in figuring out that language. And
I askedly when I'd read she had it in the pilot,
she had it in this episode. And I literally was
(17:57):
reading those scripts, going.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
God, I don't have to do Oh my god, do
you remember.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
That it was just written out phonetically and double.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Shoe knew news and you've got to remind you.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
And they didn't want they want some sort of, you know,
almost version of it. No, they want language. They wanted that.
And it was like, Wow, that's I take my hat
off to Youah, well done. That takes this just wrote learning.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
And I think that for character elements to what we
discovered later, Linda out of the Gate had an opportunity
because you know, she was supposed to be, you know,
a linguist and out of space and and all of that,
(18:44):
and and she got an opportunity to explore that part
of her character.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And I think she actually given Yeah, given this it
was episode three officially, but two. Really she nailed and
that she was a character for the get go, even
in that scene when she comes back to Flocks having
you know, screamed her head off at the hanging upside
down dead human noise and she's embarrassed and twelve year
(19:12):
old girl like a twelve year old. I mean yeah,
And I thought she played it very well. I love
that scene where she goes, can I swap side of
the ship with ensign in the beginning that going the
wrong way? It's on a train going backwards or forwards.
(19:32):
It's you know, I can't sleep her. I'm coach sick.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, no, it's funny as a cast. You know, I'll
say this again. You know I felt like, oh, Linda's
got her shot.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, she did well.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I mean there's very very well.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I feel for her that, you know. It's it didn't
sort of repeat itself too often. It was a great
foil for who we were, where we were at the
beginning of our show, that it would come through the
innocence and greenness of the of the young first timer.
(20:13):
And I guess I don't know, is I mean now
in this day and age, it might come off as
a little sexist, that she was a woman, that would
be all frit But anyways, look she played it beautifully
and yeah, full marks.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah I wonder, you know, I wonder sometimes in watching
this episode, I thought, you know, for instance, we were
given more and more things to counter and to be
part of our terrors that would age us emotionally, and
(20:51):
really had just solely the fact that she was uncomfortable
in space, and you know, I wish she'd had more
opportunities to not do that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I guess, you know, unfortunately, you know that that then
that wouldn't be the case now in this day and age.
But you know the fact when they slapped the face
pistol on her belt, is that really necessary?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
You'd slap that face pistol belt on Snika Martin Green
and she go, damn, yeah, yeah, it'd be a different
you know, it's a different era, and we it was
still the men that we're going to go and do
daring do and so you know.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
It's it's sort of you know, I'm reminded so often
whenever I watch an episode of Star Trek. Now, having
read Nanna's book, Yeah, you know about the experience of
one the actor into the character of a female in
our franchise, And we were certainly at a time when
(21:57):
versus say Discovery, where you know, there were definite elements
of traditional behavior, and our.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Show was traditional. It was written in the vein of
four other hit shows where and ostensibly and our first
season was not unlike the others, where we went off
and found a planet that needed our help and often
run by you know, Nazi type whities, and we'd sought
(22:32):
their s h one t out and then move on
to the next one.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah again, Yeah, I got back to saying, I really
feel that this particular episode, because we talked about this,
I thought it was the pilot two episodes, and then
another episode which was where we get stuck in the cave, right,
(22:58):
and I'd forgotten about it, you forgot about and I'd
forgotten about it completely. And then when I saw it,
of course, you know, all these things come back to me.
But that particular episode was so kind of we all
got our shot, we all, we all got introduced.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, I agree, Yeah, it was a good They did
a good span of of the God Bless I mean,
John was hilarious. I love that scene of you in
him and the messle when you're eating re sequenced potato
and he's looking around and he goes, I believe in
Hayden and preparing to mate, can I watch so beautiful?
(23:53):
Honestly it was. It was because I had forgotten this
episode too. But I not to drag on but repeat
my but I just remember that stage nine, which was
affectionately always known as Planet Hell, just going in there
and going, my god, look at what they look at this?
This is they built this in a weekend or something
like that, and that was phenomenal. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Remember we had to learn how to operate our flashlights,
specifically in your eed suits. So you know, the idea
of just flashing somebody's face you couldn't do. You had
to do this angle on their chest that their face
and didn't give a flash.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
We got better at it because some of stots were
blown out, and they really were. We got much better
at it. What else was I thinking? We got better
at God? It was on the tip of my tongue
as you were talking about lighting the scene, shaking, shaking,
(24:55):
what was it? It'll come to me, I was. I
can't think.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Now, Well, I remember there's a scene you mentioned it
earlier in our conversation on the phone where and I
had this idea too that you know, you would just
run down like you know some Denny Terio in dancing,
(25:19):
sweep down these handles on in the armory.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
That that's a hilarious story where.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Scott, I don't think again, I don't think we've.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Got chose to do the the what do they call it,
the fireman's you know pole as it were down the
two sides of the stairs of my armory, so uh,
I think it made so much noise when he landed.
We had to a d R. The conversation that Anthony
and I were having on the floor, pushing buttons trying
to figure out, you know, the the firing of the
(25:50):
of the photon torpedoes or whatever. And when I went
to do a d R, Anthony had left me what
we now call an easter egg. And it came to
my bit to do my bit, and Scott comes down
the stairs and Anthony's left this bit. You scared me, Captain. Hilarious, hilarious.
(26:15):
I know what I learned to be better at as
the armory officer. There's a scene there when we're back
on the ship and I've got the face pistol in
my hand and I'm literally just sort of pointing, wondering,
I'm pointing it at the captain, I'm pointing it at
I'm just you know, any time, And I think we
(26:37):
had a consultant on I think from the police force.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
And you know that's true.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And I remember then I got pretty good at handling
the weapon like it's like it's a weapon, the direction
and and you know, keeping it down at when you
weren't actually about to use it.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
What did you think about in that episode? The fact
that well, one, we've been sent out seemingly too early
mm hmm, and that there's no way the armory officer
can figure out how to accurately shoot something. Do you
(27:17):
recall so.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
We were we yeh we were. It was a nice eploy.
It wasn't it that we that we had actually hadn't
you know, used the guns. You know, they were they
were in in theory, they were ready.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
But yeah, and as actors remember the technology at the time,
we were like, oh my god, this is awesome. And
then to see something now in twenty twenty four versus
then that look, I don't know, an eighties video game,
Oh I remember.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I mean actually I mean the loading of that one
torpedo that when they shove it up the shaft.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Look, I got no amazing also and also made me
think in that scene, I was like, oh, well, we
are operating as an aggressor. Mhmm. I do remember thinking
that the scene that he was like, think about this.
(28:18):
So in the episode read missus several times.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
He in the in the armory with Anthony in the
simulation there you know they're off. Then yes, when he
gets to actually do it for real and they drop
out of warp, and I love that bit when they
drop out of warp and you see those it's like
those rainbow shots that shoot behind it. I think they
were new. I don't think they'd ever done that before. Yeah,
(28:50):
here comes the good ship enterprise.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
But also I'm so as this goes in the episode,
So initially uh read is missing missing, missing, giant ship
shows up. We're now in real trouble. Then, because Hoshi
has had this somewhat effective uh conversation with the captain
(29:21):
of that really small ship, they come in and they
do like kill shots and then we do we do
a couple more. They hit on a cell, that ship
blows up. That ship blows up.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, I'm trying to whether we blew it up, whether
it was the other ship coming in from Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I think that they had a couple and then we
then you and then I that I think gets the
nail in that coffin Malcolm Saide. Interesting thing is.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Is that.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
There's no element of like, oh, we feel bad for
that ship. That ship's just destroyed because what that ship
was doing was mining.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, they were the Nazis. There was no issue to
whatsoever with.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Lowering that thing up because this ship had come in
and host she had a conversation. I think that that
to me, there was a a missed opportunity for a
discussion about that, right, yeah, a drama.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, well we were always going you have to always
remind ourselves we were were hampered by This show is
twenty four minutes of actual you know, screen time and
then twenty minutes of commercials. Is about that, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Thirty four and fourteen?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, so there you go. I mean it's not that
long on the screen, so a lot of stuff doesn't
make the cup.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
But the conversation about the notion out of the dog
and the cheese baite, I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
You just can't. I mean, I mean over a discussion
about whether we kill the battyship. No, the dog.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Agreed, but we spent so much time talking about the
ship itself and what was going on in that ship,
and then all of a sudden have a conversation with someone,
they shoot off, and then we don't have any compulsion
about just like we're out of here. That was great.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
We didn't even get so much as a fruit basket
from the killing me right. Yeah, I mean really, hindsight
is twenty twenty admittedly, but I do think a good episode.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I thought it was a very good episode to give
an opportunity for all of our characters be present m
after the pilot.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And it even got John in the space suit too.
I know. I like that. God turns around to me,
are you comfortable in the space in the EV suits? Again?
I'm fine, He goes, I was all right in the
dress the dressing room, Oh John, uh in that? Can
(32:23):
you imagine having all that makeup on and that bloody helmet?
I mean, geez, Louise man, he I mean we did
he he you know that lovely song, you know, day off,
day off?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Laughing?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
He went through any one of those actors in any
one of those shows that went through that that process. Yeah,
it was my skin. I tell you I couldn't have
done it. My Irish skin would just I mean the
two times I did do it, I looked like a
ravaged you know.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, something I think that you know, yeah, you know
he jokes about eight days off and the checks still come.
But I think that John and all of us we
all got the same.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah we got Yeah, we did. We we all we
will let to work. You guys look without a doubt come,
you know, very quickly after this episode to you, Joe,
Lene and Scott were the were the workhorses. And and
I never realized that I had no idea, Oh you did,
you did?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I don't think you ever. You barely barely got days off.
I often had, you know, three to five day weekends.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Mate. Well, the funny thing is is that we were
we were thinking of doing you all. Was the next episode,
which is where Dominic's not in. Remember, so clearly dumb
Dumb comes back. He's been surfing. Yeah, I comes to
visit great, like you know, Beach had on on knocked
(34:01):
on the door and he was like, you know, hey,
how's it going. I was like, what do you mean,
how's it going? He was like, yeah, we're to the
beach just now.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I actually came up to the Bronson Canyon to the
hill because the shot in the Back Cave. We'll talk
about this on the next part, but yeah, I actually
came up there with Jill and we'd come straight from
the beach and we because I'm wondering, I was actually
quite jealous that I wasn't going to get to say
in my life that I shot in the bat Caves.
And then I walked in and it was just the
dust storm of s H one team just choking your
(34:32):
guts out.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
You'll you'll see you all are fans. Thank you for
being here. So the bat Cave is called that because
it was the Batman Cave in the series in the
sixties sixte and it's in right up by your house.
And we got there and I was so excited to
(34:55):
be a part of that history. Yeah, but it was
fall of back and back and we all got so sick.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah. Yeah, you were there a few days too.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was quite something. They've shut
them down now, they won't let people go in there. Anymore. Really. Yeah,
it's all cordoned off. You can go, you can go
and stand and look at them, but you can't go
in something through it. They've stopped it. So the days man. Yeah, anyway, Well,
(35:37):
is there anything else to cover on this one? Alan
Croker was great as the director. Yeah, several times. And
it's such a kind man and such a difference. Dare
I say, from the first experience with Jimmy Conway business
I say.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Something about Alan and he was always like this. He
directed throughout the entirety of our show.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
He actually directed the final episode of Voyager I think
if my if my facts right? Yeah, and then he
and then got to come on straight away and was.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
So wonderful because I'd walk up to Alan and and
and talk about maybe a conflict I had with the
scene or whatever, and he'd be he'd be like, yeah,
but absolutely what do you He quit smoking? Eventually he did,
didn't he but he was like, oh, tell me, tell me,
(36:32):
tell me. And then he would be so aeradyite about
about about what the scene meant and what the show
meant and what we were doing. He was such a
fantastic partner and you don't get.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
That all lap no often directs that that just that
it's not in their DNA. They're all about the shot.
He was such a great start the show, and that's
what they know. They have to give give and that's
all they care about.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
And if you're a serious regular boost off and they're like,
whatever you want to do, we'll figure you know what.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
You're doing, it's not that's I don't have to think
about that.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, he wasn't that guy. He is such a skilled
practitioner of storytelling.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
And he cared, you know. Yeah, he was a collaborator
and and.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Uh, anytime Alan Croker showed up.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
It's going to be a great delight.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, have a fantastic time. Yeah, no kidding, Yeah, God.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Bless you Allan all right, well that was fun. I
think most of the ground. Uh yeah, uh, I mean
I'm just trying to there's nothing else much else and dropping,
you know the nice button at the end of dropping
the slug off to die a loan on an Argona
infested planet.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
The idea that Captain Archie would all of a sudden
drop into an Argone planet to drop off this slug
It was.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
It's crazy at a TV show. It's a TV show.
I remember being asked very early on. At one of
the first conventions I went to, someone was banging on about,
you know, my torpedoes and changing them from regular torpedoes
to photon torpedoes, and I was like, I was so green,
and I was like, I literally looked at him and went, mate,
(38:28):
they made of wood and they're spray painted. Break. That's
as much as I know.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
That's all I get on that note.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Thank you for listening reminiscing about God. You know it's
going to be is it twenty five years next year? Mate? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, and it's it's it's wonderful. I think we're going
to come across these over and over again. You know,
it's odd to say that, Like I didn't really remember
the second episode very much.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I have another thing we rushed over slightly is Jolene
how good she is in this episode. I mean, she
just you know, she just nails the lines and she's everything.
It's not a likable part, but she doesn't being unlikable.
Yeah yeah, and I guess looking like a million bucks helps,
(39:21):
but but she really. But when we think of that
week on, not only your hair survived, ha was good.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
My hair was good that episode. It wasn't even very
very bland, very subtle.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, yeah, only you and well I guess Anthony too.
But the girls, and I think Linda Hers stayed virtually
saying but no, they had they had Joe in and
out of different you know, she looked she did look
rather like a sort of pudding bowl page boy from
you know, medieval days.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
It's never a moment that I can like Christian Slater
in a moment that I can think of the Joelene
didn't nail it, no, right.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, look, and if she didn't get it on the day,
she could get it in a d R. And you know,
and that's you know, it's the movie. It's the magic
of movie making you sprinkle the magic dust. There are
so many people involved in bringing this polished product to
your screen, and we're just we're just part of the
(40:26):
you know, yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
So anyway, well, it's been great chatting with you about it, mate,
and I hope, I hope the the audience liked it
to well. I look back on it, it's a perfect
second episode to set the tone of what we're doing,
where we're going, and and what comes next. Abs And
it's not long before you're pregnant.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
And you're to do with me and your markets. It's better.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
My gun, straight shoe and no more blanks, all right,
chall Thank you so much, Nonney.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Cheers
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Speaker 1 (00:46):
I know that ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, trekkies
and trekkers, welcome back to the Decon Chamber. We are
doing another watch party, second three. It's called Fight or Flight.
Episode one and two were our pilots and it really
(01:10):
highlights our entire cast in this episode and directed by
Alan Croker, written by Rick and Brannan obviously, and to
be honest, I didn't really remember this episode when I
watched it, and then I watched it and all of
a sudden, I was like, oh, yeah, oh those lines,
(01:33):
those scenes, So let's get to it.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Man. I really, I really did remember this episode, and
I remember it for a couple of reasons, really that
it's cemented. What I could tell was going to be
Malcolm's go to byeline that he wants to blow s
(01:57):
h one t up all the time. And because no
one came to me and said, look, this is going
to be your you know, comic relief motif, but I
luckily saw that that was playable. And I tell you
the other thing that really struck out at me was,
you know, stage nine, when we went aboard that spaceship
(02:19):
to find those humanoids strung up by that other alien
race that were sucking them dry of their you know,
lymphatic whatever's yeah, the triglyceroids or whatever. I just thought, Wow,
look at this playground that they're going to create for us.
(02:41):
It was Mesmeric and our first day in the suits,
which were like, okay, you know, but we were excited.
We were all excited, no kidding, I mean it was
super exciting and to get to work with her. As
you say, it was an ensemble piece and.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, I remember very clearly thinking having watched the episode, Look,
we didn't know how the was six of us Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Seven, isn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
How we were going to sort of interact one another.
And I remember thinking after the pilot, we got that
episode and it seemed to feature Hoshi.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Definitely, and I thought that was a lovely, uh ponduit
to the to the feel of the show that we
were this you know, very new explorative outfit in space,
and you know, we were going where no one had
gone before. And I love the fact that it was
seen through this this young student's eyes, as it were.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
And I will say, as an actor, I was jealous.
I were you, definitely jealous. I read the episode and
was like, huh, well, they're gonna they're going to feature Linda. Yeah,
I had no idea. Of course we're in episode three,
and yeah, I my competitive spirits got.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I mean, there you were that scene when you're walking
down the corridor with Scott like you're like the other
porthoce can I.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I I also recall very clearly in in the scene
where I was in the EV suit for a moment
and how she is saying that she's not really sure
she wants to do it, and and trips kind of like, eh,
you should. Yeah, I wasn't really working at helping her.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
No, that's set up scene. And at the beginning of
the episode with her and uh and John as doctor.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Let's start with that.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Let's start with the because it's a really good setup
scene that you know, our only findings to date is
the small slug.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Banana slug, banana slug.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
And uh and and and it's a sort of you know,
it's an allegory for what are we doing here? Your frustration?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Where's home?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
And where's home?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I mean, and you know, it was a little unexplained
Scott's odd behavior hearing the squeak under his ready room floor,
but that I guess was meant to elucidate his frustration
with you know, what are we doing here sitting around?
(05:48):
I loved it when when Linda walks in because uh
to Paul's already there and they're discussing, you know, what
they should be doing, and Linda walks in.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's walked in on something else, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Are we all good here?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
All right?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Very funny, But yeah, that's that's that's sick based scene.
And there's another one after that is uh is very
cleverly written, and it sets up what this these initial
episodes are going to be about. Uh. And you know
John John's delivery is so good and professional that you
(06:29):
know he he's the sort of thoughtful vulcan, if you will,
or the feeling vulcan. He's dispassionately feeling and and he's just.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Basically or you could go back and be a teacher.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yes, it's a lovely line, isn't it a lovely line?
And uh?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And he was a bit snarkier early on.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
It was quite quite sort of bullish, wasn't he. And
he couldn't wait to feed the slug to his the whatever,
the bat bat or whatever. Yeah, and then yes, I
mean the I mean the just the amount of work
to create those humanoids slung upside down with those tubes.
(07:11):
And do you remember that set?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It was well, I didn't see that set because I
was never I was I was never in the room
where they were all hanging down. I was only in
the room with Hoshi sort of like working the beauty thing.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, you were the Colm, that's right. It was an
amazing set and it really took my breath away. It
was like Wow, this is this is this is proper,
this is They're not playing around here.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
And it was experienced the first time putting on the
EB suit.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Oh well do you remember. I mean we've talked about
this over the years. I mean those helmets were seventeen
eighteen pounds supported only by your neck. They weren't attached
to the shoulders, so literally your neck was holding that
thing up. I mean, well, when we get to mind
for you that one man I had abs like.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Steel and ergonomically, ergonomically the.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Back that way too, was set way too.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Far back and high.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah yeah, And do you remember it? It really dug
into your shoulders here because it had all the battery
packs which supported the whole light system and the breathing system,
which was real. It was real, and they weren't they
weren't you know? That rubber was gotta be I got
to think, you know, at least five to six millimeters thick.
(08:38):
It wasn't slim stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Well, what I was told by Bob Blackman, our costume designer,
that these were designed this was the same material that
they used.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
They might use in real right, and I think they
cost am I remembering this? Right? Were they twenty grand each?
Were they were they were they they might have that
I might be I think they weren't one hundred grand each?
Were there were?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
There were twenty dollars?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Was a twenty grand? Yeah cheap? And it was only
when uh Scott and I did in the beginning of
season two we did minefield together and he was in
his suit a lot to rescue me off the the
what do you call it, the wing of the romulan,
the mine, the mine. He put his back out, do
(09:29):
you remember, and he had that personal trainer, Mark, who
suddenly came around and all of a sudden everything was
ergonomically redesigned and we had now we had a belt
that had supported the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
He also built from the boxes the what do they
call the in our You know you've got quarterboxes, hat boxes,
and apple boxes. Apple box, Yeah, so weird. That's what
they built.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Sit down and rest without taking the whole damn thing.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
For all apple box on one side and then a
full box inside, so we could really sit down and
rest the back and take the relief off.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, only Anthony, Only Anthony. That the young chicken could
run around in that thing all day like I've ever ready,
Bunny I mean, honestly, there was one episode we did together, and.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Also the reality that like you know, your your breath
it did you know it depended on the temperature in
the room if your breath showed up on this on
the yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
So I like this idea of flight or fight, fight
or flight because it's uh, the tenet of the episode
really is is and it comes up in that dyner
scene that's so slight. I thought Scott slightly overplayed it
from the top that you remember when you're pouring the
tea and you haven't been on the ship. And I,
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if I dare say, I mean, he he comes into
the scene already this top, and I think he could
have found his way to They had families, we should
have done this. But he was already you know, he
was already there. He you know, I guess in his
mind's eye, he'd already had all day to ferment this.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
As captain.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, as the captain, I I personally would have would
have found would have would have come in a little
lower and found my way to that.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Let me ask you something I thought about this, So,
what would you have done in the city deciding factor
of that scene? Would you have left. Would you have stayed?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
We were?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
It's our second interaction with a slug But you know, like,
and I've asked myself this, what would you have done? Like,
what what is your responsibility? You know you're coming ship
that's a ghost ship based everybody's eye for their lymphatic fluids.
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And uh, you've got two options, one being Okay, we're
going to make sure we figured this out. It's our
first time out, by the way, it's our first time out.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And are you going to then We're not. It's not jambourine.
We've come to a death squad, you know, ship exactly,
So you've got to it comes to Auschwitz.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
You know, what do you do? You've got one, which
is we're going to take off, or two we're going
to come. And as he says in that scene at dinner,
he's like, you know, they were people famili That was.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
The line that really, you know, got me. They were
krewman in uniform. Yeah, like like we are what would
you do? You know, no one left behind as it were,
That's what it's talking to. And and I loved, you know,
his his thrust to Jolene. If they were vulcans, what
(13:07):
would you have done. And her logic is, but they
weren't vulcans, and we wouldn't have been there, so you know, exactly,
we wouldn't have been there in the first place.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Our protocol. Yeah, it gives to me a sense that
I didn't really recognize doing the show that initially we
had a really truly militaristic, military sense of what we
were supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, indeed, and you know, leave no one behind, yeah,
even if they're not.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah. And that's and the fact that he when he
walks out the door. It may have taken us a
few thousand years to get to this sense of what's
the word. It's something morality, but correct morality, and maybe
that we aren't interfering here, but this is the right
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thing to do as humans. Righteousness, it's it is, there
is a righteousness there. This is the right thing to do.
And then we the next scene is with Mayweather turn
the ship around and we're going back.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
But it's like, I mean, you know, righteousness, come hell
or high water, We're not meant to be doing this.
We're meant to be exploring you find something that is
this scenario that it is like, oh well, wow, that
is crazy and we've nothing to do with it. But
his decision as the captain to come back and you know,
(14:35):
uh reevaluate or or reconsider what our role is almost
seemed a little antithetical to the goal of going out
and exploring.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Well yeah, but it's but I also like the fact
that it sets up archers u moral compass and this
this this this thematic it continues through the series. You know,
Jonathan Marcher is always going to you know, uh revert
(15:10):
to that that leave no one behind. This is the
right thing, this is the moral, uh correct thing to do.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And well, but I would also argue, then all of
a sudden, now you you're putting because because are are
We've been shot at, You've got an entire crew on
your ship that you're also protecting. So it's a really
interesting dynamic.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
It is. It is And uh yeah, I'm just thinking
of a reply to that. I mean, it's a it's
a conundrum, isn't it. Uh And you know, and and
and at the same time, from Malcolm's point of view,
we've gone out there, we're not actually ready to be
(15:54):
out there to to to meet an adversary in any
way at all at all. I mean, there's those scenes
are comic when it glances that when he finally hits
a meteorite and it glances off and comes heading back,
and everyone's like, Malcolm, there's some good I like. I
(16:16):
tell you what I like about our show. A lot
of the times there's there's often just little comic reliefs
that are quite beautiful and their character driven. You had
one in your Puppy Dog march up the corridor. You know,
I love I love I told you when we were
on the phone earlier together. Today, I love Malcolm's reaction
to put the guns away. Malcolm, we're not going to war,
(16:40):
and he kind of literally rolls his eyes at the.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Captain joy Killer while you're playing. And also it's interesting
too that you know by that point in our show.
You know, I don't recall in the pilot that I
had a spot next to you, and.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I remember fighting hard that you were never going to
stand there because I know'd ye I'd be losing my
single and he'd we have two shots with you. I
wasn't happy.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
That was always like I shouldn't be on the bridge.
And I think in that episode Establishers that I've.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Got my little spot I know I fought hard against that.
I'll tell you in the shadows.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Not him, not now, never over there?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
What else? Uh So then we get back to the
ship and we're figuring out I tell you what I mean,
let's go back to Hosi because I mean, you know,
with all her work in figuring out that language. And
I askedly when I'd read she had it in the pilot,
she had it in this episode. And I literally was
(17:57):
reading those scripts, going.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
God, I don't have to do Oh my god, do
you remember.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
That it was just written out phonetically and double.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Shoe knew news and you've got to remind you.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
And they didn't want they want some sort of, you know,
almost version of it. No, they want language. They wanted that.
And it was like, Wow, that's I take my hat
off to Youah, well done. That takes this just wrote learning.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
And I think that for character elements to what we
discovered later, Linda out of the Gate had an opportunity
because you know, she was supposed to be, you know,
a linguist and out of space and and all of that,
(18:44):
and and she got an opportunity to explore that part
of her character.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And I think she actually given Yeah, given this it
was episode three officially, but two. Really she nailed and
that she was a character for the get go, even
in that scene when she comes back to Flocks having
you know, screamed her head off at the hanging upside
down dead human noise and she's embarrassed and twelve year
(19:12):
old girl like a twelve year old. I mean yeah,
And I thought she played it very well. I love
that scene where she goes, can I swap side of
the ship with ensign in the beginning that going the
wrong way? It's on a train going backwards or forwards.
(19:32):
It's you know, I can't sleep her. I'm coach sick.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, no, it's funny as a cast. You know, I'll
say this again. You know I felt like, oh, Linda's
got her shot.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, she did well.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I mean there's very very well.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I feel for her that, you know. It's it didn't
sort of repeat itself too often. It was a great
foil for who we were, where we were at the
beginning of our show, that it would come through the
innocence and greenness of the of the young first timer.
(20:13):
And I guess I don't know, is I mean now
in this day and age, it might come off as
a little sexist, that she was a woman, that would
be all frit But anyways, look she played it beautifully
and yeah, full marks.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah I wonder, you know, I wonder sometimes in watching
this episode, I thought, you know, for instance, we were
given more and more things to counter and to be
part of our terrors that would age us emotionally, and
(20:51):
really had just solely the fact that she was uncomfortable
in space, and you know, I wish she'd had more
opportunities to not do that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I guess, you know, unfortunately, you know that that then
that wouldn't be the case now in this day and age.
But you know the fact when they slapped the face
pistol on her belt, is that really necessary?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
You'd slap that face pistol belt on Snika Martin Green
and she go, damn, yeah, yeah, it'd be a different
you know, it's a different era, and we it was
still the men that we're going to go and do
daring do and so you know.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
It's it's sort of you know, I'm reminded so often
whenever I watch an episode of Star Trek. Now, having
read Nanna's book, Yeah, you know about the experience of
one the actor into the character of a female in
our franchise, And we were certainly at a time when
(21:57):
versus say Discovery, where you know, there were definite elements
of traditional behavior, and our.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Show was traditional. It was written in the vein of
four other hit shows where and ostensibly and our first
season was not unlike the others, where we went off
and found a planet that needed our help and often
run by you know, Nazi type whities, and we'd sought
(22:32):
their s h one t out and then move on
to the next one.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah again, Yeah, I got back to saying, I really
feel that this particular episode, because we talked about this,
I thought it was the pilot two episodes, and then
another episode which was where we get stuck in the cave, right,
(22:58):
and I'd forgotten about it, you forgot about and I'd
forgotten about it completely. And then when I saw it,
of course, you know, all these things come back to me.
But that particular episode was so kind of we all
got our shot, we all, we all got introduced.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, I agree, Yeah, it was a good They did
a good span of of the God Bless I mean,
John was hilarious. I love that scene of you in
him and the messle when you're eating re sequenced potato
and he's looking around and he goes, I believe in
Hayden and preparing to mate, can I watch so beautiful?
(23:53):
Honestly it was. It was because I had forgotten this
episode too. But I not to drag on but repeat
my but I just remember that stage nine, which was
affectionately always known as Planet Hell, just going in there
and going, my god, look at what they look at this?
This is they built this in a weekend or something
like that, and that was phenomenal. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Remember we had to learn how to operate our flashlights,
specifically in your eed suits. So you know, the idea
of just flashing somebody's face you couldn't do. You had
to do this angle on their chest that their face
and didn't give a flash.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
We got better at it because some of stots were
blown out, and they really were. We got much better
at it. What else was I thinking? We got better
at God? It was on the tip of my tongue
as you were talking about lighting the scene, shaking, shaking,
(24:55):
what was it? It'll come to me, I was. I
can't think.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Now, Well, I remember there's a scene you mentioned it
earlier in our conversation on the phone where and I
had this idea too that you know, you would just
run down like you know some Denny Terio in dancing,
(25:19):
sweep down these handles on in the armory.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
That that's a hilarious story where.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Scott, I don't think again, I don't think we've.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Got chose to do the the what do they call it,
the fireman's you know pole as it were down the
two sides of the stairs of my armory, so uh,
I think it made so much noise when he landed.
We had to a d R. The conversation that Anthony
and I were having on the floor, pushing buttons trying
to figure out, you know, the the firing of the
(25:50):
of the photon torpedoes or whatever. And when I went
to do a d R, Anthony had left me what
we now call an easter egg. And it came to
my bit to do my bit, and Scott comes down
the stairs and Anthony's left this bit. You scared me, Captain. Hilarious, hilarious.
(26:15):
I know what I learned to be better at as
the armory officer. There's a scene there when we're back
on the ship and I've got the face pistol in
my hand and I'm literally just sort of pointing, wondering,
I'm pointing it at the captain, I'm pointing it at
I'm just you know, any time, And I think we
(26:37):
had a consultant on I think from the police force.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
And you know that's true.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And I remember then I got pretty good at handling
the weapon like it's like it's a weapon, the direction
and and you know, keeping it down at when you
weren't actually about to use it.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
What did you think about in that episode? The fact
that well, one, we've been sent out seemingly too early
mm hmm, and that there's no way the armory officer
can figure out how to accurately shoot something. Do you
(27:17):
recall so.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
We were we yeh we were. It was a nice eploy.
It wasn't it that we that we had actually hadn't
you know, used the guns. You know, they were they
were in in theory, they were ready.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
But yeah, and as actors remember the technology at the time,
we were like, oh my god, this is awesome. And
then to see something now in twenty twenty four versus
then that look, I don't know, an eighties video game,
Oh I remember.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I mean actually I mean the loading of that one
torpedo that when they shove it up the shaft.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Look, I got no amazing also and also made me
think in that scene, I was like, oh, well, we
are operating as an aggressor. Mhmm. I do remember thinking
that the scene that he was like, think about this.
(28:18):
So in the episode read missus several times.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
He in the in the armory with Anthony in the
simulation there you know they're off. Then yes, when he
gets to actually do it for real and they drop
out of warp, and I love that bit when they
drop out of warp and you see those it's like
those rainbow shots that shoot behind it. I think they
were new. I don't think they'd ever done that before. Yeah,
(28:50):
here comes the good ship enterprise.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
But also I'm so as this goes in the episode,
So initially uh read is missing missing, missing, giant ship
shows up. We're now in real trouble. Then, because Hoshi
has had this somewhat effective uh conversation with the captain
(29:21):
of that really small ship, they come in and they
do like kill shots and then we do we do
a couple more. They hit on a cell, that ship
blows up. That ship blows up.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, I'm trying to whether we blew it up, whether
it was the other ship coming in from Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I think that they had a couple and then we
then you and then I that I think gets the
nail in that coffin Malcolm Saide. Interesting thing is.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Is that.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
There's no element of like, oh, we feel bad for
that ship. That ship's just destroyed because what that ship
was doing was mining.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, they were the Nazis. There was no issue to
whatsoever with.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Lowering that thing up because this ship had come in
and host she had a conversation. I think that that
to me, there was a a missed opportunity for a
discussion about that, right, yeah, a drama.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, well we were always going you have to always
remind ourselves we were were hampered by This show is
twenty four minutes of actual you know, screen time and
then twenty minutes of commercials. Is about that, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Thirty four and fourteen?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, so there you go. I mean it's not that
long on the screen, so a lot of stuff doesn't
make the cup.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
But the conversation about the notion out of the dog
and the cheese baite, I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
You just can't. I mean, I mean over a discussion
about whether we kill the battyship. No, the dog.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Agreed, but we spent so much time talking about the
ship itself and what was going on in that ship,
and then all of a sudden have a conversation with someone,
they shoot off, and then we don't have any compulsion
about just like we're out of here. That was great.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
We didn't even get so much as a fruit basket
from the killing me right. Yeah, I mean really, hindsight
is twenty twenty admittedly, but I do think a good episode.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I thought it was a very good episode to give
an opportunity for all of our characters be present m
after the pilot.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And it even got John in the space suit too.
I know. I like that. God turns around to me,
are you comfortable in the space in the EV suits? Again?
I'm fine, He goes, I was all right in the
dress the dressing room, Oh John, uh in that? Can
(32:23):
you imagine having all that makeup on and that bloody helmet?
I mean, geez, Louise man, he I mean we did
he he you know that lovely song, you know, day off,
day off?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Laughing?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
He went through any one of those actors in any
one of those shows that went through that that process. Yeah,
it was my skin. I tell you I couldn't have
done it. My Irish skin would just I mean the
two times I did do it, I looked like a
ravaged you know.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, something I think that you know, yeah, you know
he jokes about eight days off and the checks still come.
But I think that John and all of us we
all got the same.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah we got Yeah, we did. We we all we
will let to work. You guys look without a doubt come,
you know, very quickly after this episode to you, Joe,
Lene and Scott were the were the workhorses. And and
I never realized that I had no idea, Oh you did,
you did?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I don't think you ever. You barely barely got days off.
I often had, you know, three to five day weekends.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Mate. Well, the funny thing is is that we were
we were thinking of doing you all. Was the next episode,
which is where Dominic's not in. Remember, so clearly dumb
Dumb comes back. He's been surfing. Yeah, I comes to
visit great, like you know, Beach had on on knocked
(34:01):
on the door and he was like, you know, hey,
how's it going. I was like, what do you mean,
how's it going? He was like, yeah, we're to the
beach just now.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I actually came up to the Bronson Canyon to the
hill because the shot in the Back Cave. We'll talk
about this on the next part, but yeah, I actually
came up there with Jill and we'd come straight from
the beach and we because I'm wondering, I was actually
quite jealous that I wasn't going to get to say
in my life that I shot in the bat Caves.
And then I walked in and it was just the
dust storm of s H one team just choking your
(34:32):
guts out.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
You'll you'll see you all are fans. Thank you for
being here. So the bat Cave is called that because
it was the Batman Cave in the series in the
sixties sixte and it's in right up by your house.
And we got there and I was so excited to
(34:55):
be a part of that history. Yeah, but it was
fall of back and back and we all got so sick.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah. Yeah, you were there a few days too.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was quite something. They've shut
them down now, they won't let people go in there. Anymore. Really. Yeah,
it's all cordoned off. You can go, you can go
and stand and look at them, but you can't go
in something through it. They've stopped it. So the days man. Yeah, anyway, Well,
(35:37):
is there anything else to cover on this one? Alan
Croker was great as the director. Yeah, several times. And
it's such a kind man and such a difference. Dare
I say, from the first experience with Jimmy Conway business
I say.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Something about Alan and he was always like this. He
directed throughout the entirety of our show.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
He actually directed the final episode of Voyager I think
if my if my facts right? Yeah, and then he
and then got to come on straight away and was.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
So wonderful because I'd walk up to Alan and and
and talk about maybe a conflict I had with the
scene or whatever, and he'd be he'd be like, yeah,
but absolutely what do you He quit smoking? Eventually he did,
didn't he but he was like, oh, tell me, tell me,
(36:32):
tell me. And then he would be so aeradyite about
about about what the scene meant and what the show
meant and what we were doing. He was such a
fantastic partner and you don't get.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
That all lap no often directs that that just that
it's not in their DNA. They're all about the shot.
He was such a great start the show, and that's
what they know. They have to give give and that's
all they care about.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
And if you're a serious regular boost off and they're like,
whatever you want to do, we'll figure you know what.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
You're doing, it's not that's I don't have to think
about that.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, he wasn't that guy. He is such a skilled
practitioner of storytelling.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
And he cared, you know. Yeah, he was a collaborator
and and.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Uh, anytime Alan Croker showed up.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
It's going to be a great delight.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, have a fantastic time. Yeah, no kidding, Yeah, God.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Bless you Allan all right, well that was fun. I
think most of the ground. Uh yeah, uh, I mean
I'm just trying to there's nothing else much else and dropping,
you know the nice button at the end of dropping
the slug off to die a loan on an Argona
infested planet.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
The idea that Captain Archie would all of a sudden
drop into an Argone planet to drop off this slug
It was.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
It's crazy at a TV show. It's a TV show.
I remember being asked very early on. At one of
the first conventions I went to, someone was banging on about,
you know, my torpedoes and changing them from regular torpedoes
to photon torpedoes, and I was like, I was so green,
and I was like, I literally looked at him and went, mate,
(38:28):
they made of wood and they're spray painted. Break. That's
as much as I know.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
That's all I get on that note.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Thank you for listening reminiscing about God. You know it's
going to be is it twenty five years next year? Mate? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, and it's it's it's wonderful. I think we're going
to come across these over and over again. You know,
it's odd to say that, Like I didn't really remember
the second episode very much.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I have another thing we rushed over slightly is Jolene
how good she is in this episode. I mean, she
just you know, she just nails the lines and she's everything.
It's not a likable part, but she doesn't being unlikable.
Yeah yeah, and I guess looking like a million bucks helps,
(39:21):
but but she really. But when we think of that
week on, not only your hair survived, ha was good.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
My hair was good that episode. It wasn't even very
very bland, very subtle.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, yeah, only you and well I guess Anthony too.
But the girls, and I think Linda Hers stayed virtually
saying but no, they had they had Joe in and
out of different you know, she looked she did look
rather like a sort of pudding bowl page boy from
you know, medieval days.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
It's never a moment that I can like Christian Slater
in a moment that I can think of the Joelene
didn't nail it, no, right.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, look, and if she didn't get it on the day,
she could get it in a d R. And you know,
and that's you know, it's the movie. It's the magic
of movie making you sprinkle the magic dust. There are
so many people involved in bringing this polished product to
your screen, and we're just we're just part of the
(40:26):
you know, yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
So anyway, well, it's been great chatting with you about it, mate,
and I hope, I hope the the audience liked it
to well. I look back on it, it's a perfect
second episode to set the tone of what we're doing,
where we're going, and and what comes next. Abs And
it's not long before you're pregnant.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
And you're to do with me and your markets. It's better.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
My gun, straight shoe and no more blanks, all right,
chall Thank you so much, Nonney.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Cheers
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