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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:46):
I love that. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, trekkies
and trekkers, Welcome back to another watch party episode of
the Dcon Chambers. I'm with my best friend and in America.
(01:07):
America's right, you got other friends and and castmate dominic
keating I'm I'm proud to be his best friend in America,
traveled the world extensively. Yeah, he messed out of the
other best friends, that's right. That's right. I have. Today
we're going to be watching the episode Unexpected, directed by
(01:30):
Mike Vaihar several of episodes. This is the first time
we worked with him, and really he's he's a he's
a very unique director and we'll get into that. And
Julianne Christie, who plays a Leen fabulously episode is highlighted.
(01:52):
And for me, at least, you know it was it
was the first episode where it was like tip out
at the end of the rock kid, because you got one.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, this is a great episode for you, not least
I love the comedy of it and you're you're really
you really hit the notes and it's really and it
starts off so beautifully with you know, the gravity placing
going out on the deck and Scott's taking a shower.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Of course, Ninjeo Ling gets pludge for her soda water.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, and uh, you know, things are going wrong and
and as we find out, we are being you know,
not hijacked, but someone's hitting a ride.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
We're being drafted by a ship.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, and I do love those moments and TV shows
when they when they go preeze going tighter, it's CSI,
it's it's you name it, you know, any one of
those medical shows, and all of a sudden there's the.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Ship that's right, of course. Uh, just sort of an
overall before we sort of get into the steps of
the episode, you know, it kind of felt like some
kind of like groovy seventies party. Then, you know, the
way that everybody was was costumed and they're you know,
(03:22):
they had sort of simmery you know, shimmery scales, and
and the whole vibe of it was you know, and
then they're they're not.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Dangerous, they're they're they're themselves loving people as it were.
And uh yeah, basically and spat there should have been
spa music throughout truely. So yeah, your sends across to
go and help them with their engineering issues, uh and
(03:55):
get them off our backs, as it were, which is
causing all sorts of trouble on on on our ship.
And yeah, and then you meet the wonderful Len who's
their engineer, and beautiful played.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Not only that, and then to be able to with
all of that makeup and prosthetic.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
There must have been I mean, I just you look
at it, it's like, you know, I mean I did
the Sula band. That was bad enough, but that looked
like it was just.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Encased.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Really, I never actually saw her until you never until
we did the other right.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And then she came on. Yeah, we met and she
lovely lady, what a great, lovely person. And she's moved
back up to Canada now and I think she works
extensively up there, and she's got all sorts of projects
going on, and she's I think she was directing plays
if I remember, rightly, but really a lovely lady.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
And she right after that episode.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I remember her saying in the time we met her
that it inspired her to go off and be a
single mother, that's right. Yeah, And I think she did it,
you know, the sort of biological way as it were,
you know, through insemination as it were, not you know,
not not the normal routes. She just was like, I
(05:15):
want to be a mum. And it was that episode,
Oh well, it made her think times are wasting.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
You're welcome, You're welcome. You know those pebbles man, that's right,
you know. Interestingly, the director Mike Vehar.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
He he came from editing mm hmm, and he always
had this because we did several episodes with him. He
always had a three ring binder and in that three
ring binder. He had literally cut the show before he
shot it, right, so really quickly. And again, you know,
(06:03):
we're four episodes in and and I'm still trying to like,
I think, well, listen, anytime you're being asked to cut
a scene in half just because they don't need the
rest of it, isn't really fair to the actor because
you don't learn a scene and then trunk hit it.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
No, you haven't had the time.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
You could maybe do that having rehearsed to play for
three to four weeks or even you know, in movies
they shoot a page maybe a page and a half
a day, and it is not amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
When you think about that.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Even even today, a two day page day on a
movie is a big day. Can you imagine the luxury
of that.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Amazing?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
So yeah, No, it's if you, if you.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
If you're not completely conversant with the with the four page,
three page scene and it's got junks of dialogue, yeah,
five lines deep. Yeah, to just jump in somewhere, it's easy. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And I remember, because of course we shoot out of order,
that we didn't shoot the early scene where Tripp is
you know, trying to help facilitate working on the problem
with their engine.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
He would say, I just need these four lines. And
I would say, but Mike, what do you mean. I've
got to get up to that point, and I've got
to get past that point for the only merely the
consistency of my own work. You know. I didn't want
to just jump in and say these four lines. And
I said, can I do the whole thing? And he said, well, yeah, sure,
(07:43):
if you want to waste my time, we'll have to
go to Grace for lunch, you know. And I'm sure
that happened a few times. But but I was like,
you know, listen, man, I mean, I get what you need,
but you also have to understand what I need in
terms of being able to do a scene.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And those scenes I remember, I mean, having seen it now,
they were in some ways complicated because you were under
duress from their environment and you had to sort of
you know, you were you were fuzzy headed and constantly
coming back to the captain going I think you need
to get here, Yeah, get me, get me out of here.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
And yeah, I can imagine that that was quite taxing.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
To have him, you know, just just just to do
these four lines, you know, I mean, you know, is
it the TV director? I mean maybe, you know, I
don't know, maybe some actors can do it. And once
you get look, it was our fourth episode and he
was coming in like, you know, we've been a cast
for three years and you know.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, well I think also, you know, there are other
directors work differently. Other directors would would you know, ask well,
what do you need to do the scene? And Mike's
em O was, here's what I need for the scene.
That's all you have to do. And I found myself
(09:12):
and I found myself working with him this way. From
that point forward, it was like, it's going to take
a whole another minute for us to just get through
the scene. Can I just get through the scene? And
you know, he was he was open to that, but
he definitely he was like he knew, he knew how
the show was going to look before he ever show. Yeah,
(09:34):
just exciting. It's a real talent.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I mean, you know, and yeah, it certainly saved time
and you know, and look, it wasn't his first rodeo
with shooting Star Trek either, so I can come from
an editing background and having shot several shows before us. Yeah,
that comments about you know, it only being our fourth
(09:58):
episode and us i'd having said, there were a lot
of scenes where it looked like we had been a
cast that had been together for four years already. And yeah,
I thought there was a nice fluidity if I trump
blow our trumpet. That lovely messal scene we have when
you get back from the ship was really like, you know,
(10:20):
there were like two old buddies having breakfast together and.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I kept eating and eating and eating.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
And it's one of the toughest things you'll ever do,
is an eating scene. Must allowed some scrambled eggs. Yeah,
but it was a lovely it was a really nice scene.
And it had all the invocation of you know, it
being slightly sort of not smutty but sultry and you know,
yeah that's coming that you're coming from you and.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
It was, it was, it was, it was.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
It was well played, and yeah, I had a lot
of humor. It wasn't wink wink, nod nod, but it
had that It had that nice, I don't know tone of.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
It, the underlying tone of it. Yeah, the whole episode.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Did, I mean, even with Scott in the shower at
the beginning, and I hope it didn't cause you any
inconvenience of long. It's well written, I mean in that
respect it had a great tone and then tonality throughout.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And written by Rick and Brennan, Rick and Brown and
yeah that's some.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, and uh yeah, Julianne was she played it again
with that scene you have when you play the game
in the in.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
The rowboat and they hollow graphic.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
How do we just how we say that the hologram studio. Yeah,
it was really beautifully done. And uh, yes, you held
that camera nicely. You know.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
You find me attractive, right, yeah, and you both mind
you attracted that the scene before that when he's in
there sort of recovering and she's handing him what you think.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Are pieces of ice. In reality, it was unflavored. Jello
really is such a thing. Yeah, it's just it's just gelatine, right,
all right? It was terrible. Uh and then I when
(12:28):
I is it?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
That is it?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
That scene where I discovered when they're because they also
have you know, organics growing within their ship. I just
picked off the wall and all that was was just
Rob Rockley. I'd have been in in heaven. Yeah, right,
(12:49):
do you have any ranch? But also you know all
those scenes like the scene on the boat where he
finally gets pregnant. You know, the reality of that scene,
as lovely as it was to watch, the reality of
that scene was there were there were four guys rock
(13:12):
there was like it was I had no idea what
this even was was going to look like, right, was
you on it? Was it a blue screen or yeah? Yes,
y yeah, yeah, and you know you had because I
think actually I think that that was b unit for
(13:34):
some reason. It maybe happened at the end of the
episode and Andy Dougie director did.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It Okay, Yeah, well that's a big scene to give
off to be in it because yeah, yeah, that's it's
a it's a it's an integral part of the story.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
That bit. Yeah beautifully.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, he he went in closed some both of you
just when it needed to go in close and good coverage.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, you know. I think there's something also that Star
Trek doesn't do often, which are real intimate scenes, and
that was that was one of them.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, there's been there's there's a beautiful episode between Bob
Picado and seven of nine, an episode where he is
just fallen head over heels for her and it's unrequited.
She doesn't even really know. I think I forget what
the episode is called, but there, yeah, there, there's there's
a couple of beautiful moments that Bob has and he
(14:41):
just nails them.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Your heart just.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Breaks for this, you know, you know, holographic doctor, right,
and it's yeah, it is often as not they can be.
And I actually having I want to put the episode
on last night to look at it in prepp. I
was wondering how if it had dated itself rather than
(15:05):
you know, poorly, whether there were any jokes about you know,
transgendered you know stuff or you know that because sometimes
you know, I showed him, you know, given them.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
It was a bit of a boys club. What did
you think it could?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
But it stands up well, it's uh does there was
There were no sort of you know, embarrassing moments and
the doctors you know, telling you the news that whether
it's good or bad, but you're pregnant. Yeah, and then
(15:42):
you slide out of the MRI.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I cock first, I swear to god, I saw, well,
I now know it's a cup and I was like,
come on, man, it's a dance bell.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Uh let's see.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
We were all all.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Right, we were mightily jealous. Oh the funny thing about
about that there it comes Sumerwise's coming after it.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
The funny thing about seeing it was a lesson. I
learned very well that. So when he has that scene
with DePaul Archer and the doctor, yeah, that's a great scene.
And uh, she's like really three days. What it happened
(16:38):
was is that they did everybody's coverage mine, and then
we cut for lunch. So you had to pick it up.
We had to. We had to pick up my stuff.
So and during the whole coverage, everything was great, all right,
we come back from lunch. All my bloods in my stomach.
(16:59):
It's and I had the worst time for the first
time and not the last, mind you, the worst time
getting through that scene. And and by the time we
got through that scene, I went back to my trailer
and pulled like a DiCaprio in uh oh my god.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I went into my and I was like what I mean,
throwing stuff, And I was like, you knew this, man,
You already did it for this for everybody else. Why
couldn't you do it when it was all on you.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
It's a lonely time for an act of that as well.
Oh you did You're off camera and you give the
performance of a lifetime, and the minute that black Box
turns around to stare at you, you're.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Like, yeah. And also when you lose that momentum what
you're doing together, it's like we're turning around, We're turning around.
We're turning around. Your turn, your turn, you turn, and
then they're like, lunch and I came back. There were
just there were a couple of moments that were just
impossible for me to get eventually did obviously, but because.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
You nailed them, you nailed them. I mean, some of
the one looks you have between the captain and to
Paul are just beautiful.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And I really think some of those looks were like
I in some ways maybe that yeah, exactly, the actual
slump of Lunch helped, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah. And John's so good in it too. He uh,
he plays it beautifully. He's just right, you know. He
hits the beats very well.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah. And as I remember, and I could be wrong
about this, but all those moments in the episode where
Trip starts saying things about, you know, concern for his baby.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Mm hmmm. That look the elevator that they did they
ever use that elevator or any other time the show
was a fortune on that on that.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And you could even tell in the beginnings like, yeah, people.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Along see it actually was it was you know, Piston,
it was proper right, but it's a very funny moment.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Look at this, look at this right. But in all
of those scenes, I felt like we hadn't quite got
the notion of what it Again, my apologies to anybody
who's been actually pregnant, what it would be like mm hmm.
(19:43):
We we we did some embellishing on that because I
thought it was important, like the amount of food that
he eats at in the dining with when in the
Captain's mess.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
And spaghetti spaghetti, what is it?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Chicken chicken freak as it looked.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Uh As Sarah, my fiance, loved it so much she
looked it up, she said, we're gonna she's going to
make that sometime before.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Really, but yeah, that was important to me too, uh,
in any way that I could accent what had been
written in in in a more I guess, I don't
know profound way. You know. I say this all with
(20:32):
knowing what it goes, what happens, what's required to have
a baby, and I've done, but I think that we
did a good job at at at showing. By the way,
I think that Scott and I are the only two
males to have been pregnant at that time on please
(20:56):
because he I think he'd been pregnant on Quantum Leap.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And then yes, that's Chelsea's daughter that was way back
with his first wife. And then yeah, and I think no,
I think Chelsea. Chelsea is strange. He's got a daughter
called Chelsea, and then he married his second wife's called Chelsea.
But he supports West brom is Allian. We have since
cleared up. Make of that what you will. Actually it's
(21:26):
because his mother in law, God bless her, Barbara has
passed away now she was there. They originally came from
West brom the West Midlands, quite near where it's near Birmingham.
It's where it's where I grew up. It's West Country.
They went through Canada first, I think he him saying,
and then came down to America. And that's just that's
how Chelsea ended up being. But originally her grandparents, her
(21:49):
parents are from West Bromise Albium or West brom and
the team's called West Promise Albion because Chelsea she the
two boys were already little boys when we started shooting
our show. So she he but he was being a
he was being a dad, particularly to Owen the youngest.
He was probably three and a half four when we started.
(22:12):
I don't think it was more you know, he was
going through.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Which was you know, the kids that are you pregnant with?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
There we are at that by the time we were shot.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Not yet. No, that was the end. That was the
end of season four for us, right, it was, wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah? Yeah? So but yeah, no, we did. It was
nicely handled, and you know, the nipples growing on your
wrist were a nice touch, and the fact that you're
covering them up with you know, a large almost a
aruka plus.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
And and I loved how just awful and dismissive the
Klingons were about the pack. Yeah, apparently that that means
what you might think it might mean.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, it's you.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Know, a slur, piss off you p attack.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
But yeah, they were hilarious to cling.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
It's God bless them. Now I'm going to make a
lot of them. We know who that was. M No,
I'd have to look that one up. I always want
to think that every every kling On that we ever
dealt with was either JG or Bob, But I think we.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Never ever this was a separate This was a different actor.
God bless them, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, and the guy who was the captain of the
I'll End ship. And I've never seen eyes that were
so wide open they were, weren't they. Yeah, it's so funny.
As I said before, like I never saw Juliane. I
(23:55):
never saw any of them outside of makeup because they
might have been there at four in the morning. Yeah,
you know, they get there at three thirty four in
the morning for a six seven am shoot and by
the time you get there, they're almost done, right. Yeah.
I remember she had these two Siberian Huskies that she
(24:16):
brought or won.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Oh she's a big dog person, that's right.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
She is. She still is, yeah, yeah, no, But she
was wonderful to work with it. She was a she
was a great scene partner. I bet she played it.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
She played the sexuality of it with just the right,
just the right, you know, zest right. And she had
in those costumes that walk she had when she when
you when you walk out of the holographic room and
she so she does something with her first step that
is just like, yeah, I suddenly you just go Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I saw the same thing. I was like, yeah, there's
a nice little dance move like yeah, very cool. Yeah, yeah,
I noticed these things. I was often told, you know,
someone who encouraged me to do this as a profession.
You know, it's how you walk across the stage is
one of the most important things you'll ever do.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Okay, Yeah, And it's as much as anything else. Your
your movement and your voice are the you know, right,
really the tools you've got in your bag. And yeah,
you can put a limp on, you can do this
and that the other. You can do all sorts of
other sort of little business tricks, but those are the
two main And she she did it very well, very
(25:31):
nice and dog.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Person Linda and Anthony must have done all sorts of
things that week because they were hardly in that episode,
so they.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Wasn't it much. Yeah, And I think I think this
episode for me was what was likely. I really cemented
the idea that I was going to let Dominic come through.
I think I saw that in the messole scene we
had together that you know, I wasn't going to play
this just some stuffy guy just asking about the engineering
(26:06):
and that there would be there would be you know,
intent behind his his his his questioning and you know,
without being you know, as I say, smutty or something.
It was it was comedic and fun.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, And I will also say that without really earning it,
in terms of our narrative, you know, it was clear
that we were already friends.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yes, it was, wasn't it. That's what I got from
watching it, that the chemistry was already there. And and
as we know that they're looking for that, and then
God bless them off they went and wrote some more
stuff for us.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
What else about the episode?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
What do you think about Mike Veihars you know, I mean,
they hit, they hit the beats, didn't it?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
It was I'll tell you something, what I what I
felt about and I always felt about Mike beer direction.
So when you're as the actor attempting to create this episode,
(27:14):
it was very aniseptic to me. I mean I always
had an aniseptic relationship with him, not impersonal, but the
way that he worked was so different from what I
was used to or even expected. Again because it would
be like, you know, we don't we only need you
know a third of this page from a four page
(27:37):
scene and that took some getting used to. I mean,
it's all you know, it's all part of the process
there where you you you learn about you know the
process of filmmaking.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, I mean you know there was there's there was
one beat for you, which was I loved your performance
throughout me, but there was one beat. And this is
where somewhere like someone like my Veha is of no
use to the actor that you should have come in
hard and fast with it, and you you I forget,
I'd have to go back and look at the episode
(28:09):
and you it's in the denial of what you did.
I think it could have been in that scene after
lunch when you needed to be sharp on the denial
and actually kind of not lose your temper with the
captain and to Paul, and it would have been funnier
and you and you still were pleading your case with
it rather And that's where we barely got direction like that,
(28:32):
where whereas if you or I had been directing an
episode like that, That's what I'm looking for is you know,
don't do it like that, do it.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Like this right right? Yeah, and play that.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah. Versus Versus barely got that.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Versus Vahar's style which was I'm literally looking at what's
required from me easily make an episode television.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Not especially looking at the performances at all. Not really,
I mean it was I can't I can't really remember
any director coming up to me and saying, you know,
you might think about doing.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
It like this.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
LeVar LeVar, He agreed, I'll give you that.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, yeah, LaVar would do that. He would walk in
and go, what do you want to do? Right? And
then you'd do it. He'd go, great, M sure about this.
Let's just tweak a couple of things. You're on the
right track, but let's just tweak these things. He wasn't
going for shot, he was going for scene and storytelling. Yeah, storytelling.
(29:45):
And again, you know, you as as an actor, you
have to have all these tools in your bag because
you know, if you begin to work with someone who
was working in one fashion or another, boy, you better
show up to that otherwise you're not coming back.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Strangely enough, I mean, you know, I spent and I
think you did do but I spent a lot of
time in the editing suite hoping to get a chance
to direct. And one thing that JP Farrell said to
me about LeVar was that he was really clever at
not giving the editor choices that he didn't want them
to have in the scene, so you had to cut
(30:21):
it the way he saw it. And he said that
of LeVar more than once you see I can't I
can't do I he said, I wouldn't mind having this now,
but I haven't.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Got it because give it to me. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, even though he was looking at performance in his
mind's eye, he's already thinking about how this is going
to be. Yeah, and when he goes in it's like, no,
well that's what I want you to just see it from.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Here, not there. Yeah, I'm sure that editing of Mike
Behar episode was just one two three go.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, Sure he was.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
He was.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
He was very well and like very nice man.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I really enjoyed him. I mean, I don't want to
sound like criticism. It's just you know, when you work,
because as an actor, you're you're working for the director.
You really are, you know, in the seat, and they're
they're looking at what you're doing and giving you adjustments,
and it's they're just different dynamics. You know, Alan Croker
(31:25):
very different from Mike Fai, LeVar Burton very different. Robbie
Duncan McNeil different, you know, and Rock sand was cutting
her teeth on our show, and you know, you you
we were four episodes in and you begin to learn
a language for yourself about how to facilitate what you
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want to do. And I was just probably wasting his time.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I love the fact you went back to the trader
and pulled the DiCaprio.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Oh, I was so many.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I couldn't just have one whiskey sour. If you guys
haven't seen it, it's a Tarantino. It's the Hollywood story,
which is just since upon a time in Hollywood, upon
a time in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Gaprio goes in to play an episode of some Western
show and he's got a lot to say, and he
messes up his first scene because he's had eight whiskey
sours the night before, and in the pool trailer after
after blowing his first scene and just kind of destroys
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his trailer. And I did something similar, No whiskey.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Sours, just you know, too much, too much sandwich, exactly right,
too much bread. Yeah, man, we were ripped in those days, dude. Honestly,
I spent this you know, it's been the Christmas period
and I spent basically two weeks clearing out my garage,
which I didn't know I was a secret hoarder, but yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Was a secret hoarder.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I've kept everything. I'm not kidding me. I have found photographs.
I should have to share some with you and fans stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I mean, just folders and folders of it.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Darn you texted me a photo of the back of
the chair that said Dominique eating.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
That came about so that we have the offset chairs
where we could sit and relax, you know, when they're
in setup. If it was a quick setup before we
weren't going back to the trailer, we'd had to read
through paramount with when we all met for the first
time at the offices there, we had the table read
and then Scott Backler was going to go off to
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New York to do what's called the Upfronts, which is
the promotional little sort of tour for the shows coming
on your network TVs. That would winter, I guess it
would have been full season. And when we were told
that by Rick Berman, I muttered under my breath, oh God,
he's probably going to call me Dominique, because that happens
(34:21):
a lot.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
And uh and sure man.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Honestly, when we our first day on set, there was
much with Dominique eating, Rick and Brannon had had it
made up. I thought I thought I'd lost it, or
I thought I'd sold it, or it had gone anyway,
the one that I thought I had, and then no,
it was in a box stuffed up in the top
of the rafters of the garage.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Some of the other gems that you you came across
that you're going wow.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I mean, there's pictures of us man at the at
the the paramount premier of the show, with Kerry McCluggage
and Jerry Ryan and I mean just Brann and we
all look like just children. I mean, it's extraordinary. What
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else did I find? I mean, I've just got, I mean,
endless some stuff from the I brought. I was a
bit of a scrapbooker of my career when I came
over thirty years ago. And God bless the newspaper cuttings
I kept from the reviews of the plays I did
before I came over. They got they helped me get
my green card, and I found that scrap book. Oh,
(35:39):
I've got pictures of the plays I was in, and
you know, with Tim Spall in something called Screamers at Edinburgh,
with what's his name Rupert Graves in a play called
Pitchfork Disney, which was a big hit, and I mean
it just I'll have to maybe I'll make a montage.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Sarah has got blessed. She loves this.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
She's she's scrapbooking and filing at them, you know as
as we go along.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
That's wonderful, it is.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I mean, it's do you know so that show Desmond's
I did. I know we're going slightly off track here,
but it's worth commenting. The woman that played the mother
on Desmond's, that sitcom set in the West Indian barbershop
where I affectionately say I played the token honkey trendy
tony who did all the modern cuts in the salon.
(36:32):
Carmen Monroe has just been made a Dane. I don't
know today I can actually say that is like the
Knighthood for women for actors who are women, and she
got in the honors. This Carmen Monroe is now Dame
Carmen and I couldn't be more tough. I found out
(36:54):
her agent's email address through the man that played her
husband on that Norman Eaten, who's since passed away. God
blessed Norman.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
His son.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I know here in La will he had one of
his sons and he got hold of Dulcy's email address,
her agency, and I emailed and got to return straight away.
Not from Carmen yet, we'll see. I think she lives
in Florida, but she's pushing ninety now, God bless.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
What had she done a lot after Desmond's.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I don't know, they don't. I'd have to look that
up me. You know, after I left, I lost touch
with a lot of people that from professionally speaking. And
I know she made the money she made. She bought
a house in Florida. She fancied living in the sun
and the house that Desmond's built. And she might have
(37:49):
come back and done some things, but she was, you know,
as a she was a groundbreaking black actor in a
time when it was difficult. You know, there were there were,
There was a handful of them, and they all came
on Desmond's. God bless I met them all in my day.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
How does how does how does one wind up getting?
I mean, are men and women knighted? It's the same thing. Well,
it's so yes, if you're a woman.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I know we don't use the term actress anymore, but
if you're an actor actress, you get damed, you get
dame hood. And if you're an actor male actor, then
you get knighted.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
You become and you know what the process is to
It's like, for instance, to get a star on the
Hollywood Walk of Fame, right, you have to be nominated
quite the same mate, No, I know, I know, I'm
going to a point here, I believe you. But to
get that you have to be nominated by like two
or three people through a process. In terms of like
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the knighthood.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Take que a lot of money too, as I as
I think basically buy one, you can buy one, but
you do you do have to be non then you've
got to be somebody.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Now, how does it work in England?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I imagine there's a committee through Buckingham Palace that that
that proffers names to the honors list. It is it
is you know it's now King Charles the thirds Honors list,
but for all my lifetime it was Elizabeth the second
Honors list. So yes, I'm sure names are presented. Uh
(39:22):
and can you apply for it? I think you want
you present you, you, you present, you, you, what's what
would be the word? There's you advocate, someone advocates on
your behalf that you might be worthy of it. They
gave one to David Beckham this year too. He's been
he's now sir David. It's a long way to say that.
(39:42):
And Stephen Frye, who I was at school with, has
become a night Yeah, he's now night thirsty.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
A long way to go to say that. You know,
if there's someone who could nominate you. You were on Desmond's,
you were on Enterprise.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Well yeah, we'll see. I don't I just I didn't
have a big enough career. I don't think to to
to uh. I don't think I could.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Actually call you sir, you know, but I settled for
an O b E. I mean, you know, quite happily.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
My grandfather was an Abe God Bless and uh, you know,
my mom used to get totally pissed off because they
started giving OBEs out to you know, celebrities as it were.
You know, I remember the first year God Bless and
she was a lovely lady. I met her once or
twice because some people I know here in La knew
her sister very well. Olivia Newton John. But I do
remember when Olivia Newton John was given an O B E.
(40:34):
My mom was mightily ticked off.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Was she.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Order? Your grandfather fought in two world Wards? He was
a brigadier general, he.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Was in Greece, she was exactly, so it was different
the Order of the British Empire.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, A CBE, N B, O B Knighthood. I think
those are the the on his lists in entirely. Commander
of the British Empires is slightly better than Order of
the British Empire, and an MB is underneath an OBE.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I think, I think it goes CB, OB E, M
B E. But it it doesn't matter what capacity you
served in for the British Empire.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
No, it's it is, you know, and some people, God
bless it's for charitable work, you know. Particularly you don't
have to be famous, as it were. But if you've
spent a lifetime, you know, and raised a lot of
money for certain charity and given your life to that,
you're going to be recognized for that.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
And yeah, well I saw you know, basically what's it
called here? Is it the Medal of Freedom?
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, And they made the list of this year's people
and like a third of them. I was like who that.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Really?
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Really?
Speaker 2 (41:54):
It was one name on this year is on his
list that I was like, really really, Yeah, I'm not
going to say who because it would be churlish. Really,
you know, they've done a couple of good episodes in
you know, really, so maybe there's hope for me yet. Mate, Look,
lets me forget and I could get it out from
underneath the of the desk. Here. I am a stamp
(42:17):
and I will always have them, that's right. Yeah. So anyway,
we've gone off track a little bit. I hope you
haven't bored some people. But what else to say about
our episode before me? Maybe wrap it up? I thought
you were very good. It's really what I want to
come to. You played the comedic aspect of it beautifully.
You played the uh, the love scene if you will,
(42:39):
the meat, the meat cute. I think we can call
it really well.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
And it's it was a great episode for you. Yeah,
it was a great episode for me, and I have
to say that and in my memory of working on it,
because there was a comedic element to it, there was
something so easy about it. Yeah, it relaxed you a bit.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, I hear that now, having said that, given that
they didn't know that you maybe could do that, you
never auditioned with anything like that, did they? Did?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
You know?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Well? I was. I mean I wonder whether they'd had
that script or even an idea of that script when
you met them. I shouldn't maybe probably not right, And
that's quite a I mean, I have to tell you
that they're taking some big swings with an actor. You know, well,
can he do this? I mean, because some people don't
know how to do, you know, to make something cute
(43:34):
and funny?
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, you know, And and as I said before, I
mean I was involved in the funny about trying to
make it funnier. And you know, I like, for instance,
I think that the scene where the lift happens. We
didn't get to do this very often, but there was,
and this is early on, is that you know, I
(43:55):
got to do some embellishment and I was like, let
me just try something. And then Jan would call the
office and they'd be like, well, okay, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Well in that respect, you know, they say comedy is
a serious business. And that scene you played seriously, you
seriously put out of joint that this was a death trap.
For a small person and what was the name of
the guy you you began with d I forget his name.
He was seeing his.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
One his struck face, well person, sir. Yeah, it was great.
And the dinner scene too, you know there was there
was a certain amount of embellishment in that with the
doctor and Archer before they go see the Klingons. Yeah.
(44:47):
I don't think they knew. And we didn't do this
much more after that either we didn't didn't do and
do a lot of funny stuff. I mean I can
think of you know, two days and two nights, right,
I can't think of many more. I mean there were moments,
but there were no real thematically right episodes that we did.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
It was a big swing. I mean by for episode
four to have you know, one of the lead you know,
Top three get you know, a male actor, a male
character get pregnant was yeah. And as I say, it's
not to you know, bang on. But it could have
come across horribly dated and they could have made some
real trodden, some real nasty stuff and they didn't.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
And they could have been offensive. Yeah, it could have
been offensive.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
And hats off to them they they did it well.
It was I think Yeah, it was a good episode.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah, it was a great deal of fun. It was,
you know, I it's funny going back to see these
every now and then. I'll I'll find one on TV
late at night. But I like, I don't rewatch our show.
I never have.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
I do for you know, the first time we came
together to do this sort of stuff, I'd never seen
it all. And you know what happened was I used
to go home to England and it was those days
it would it would be off the air in England
because well it wouldn't have started. And then by the
time I got back to LA to start the new season,
it was off the air here and so I missed it.
(46:20):
And yeah, I missed a lot of it. So it
was it was very it's been very educational to you know.
And see, overall we were pretty good, I have to say.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
I have to say that, to be honest, it's a
little hard to see how great looking I was at
about thirty four years old.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Prime, I mean absolutely prime. We all were particularly you know.
I mean, that's that's the thing, isn't it. I Mean,
most people on Telly God Bless, you're either you're twenty
two to maybe forty. They didn't know I was. I
don't think they knew I was. I've always looked a
little younger than my years.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
You man saying how old you were when you started
a Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Was thirty eight and I was in my early forties
by the time we finished. Yeah, I think they thought
I was about I think they probably thought you were
twenty eight to thirty. And I think they thought I
was about thirty three, thirty four or something like that.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, and I was thirty two.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
I think you were thirty two, right, so you know,
but we all look like kids, honestly. There's pictures of
other stuff I found in the grass, pictures of us
at Brannon's parties.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
You've got to bring them out. I would love to.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I'll have to bring them in. There's doctor Ron and
just know what, there's you, me, Noah Tishby, and I
keep forgetting the girls now. I'm so friendly with her
for a while. Blonde girl, the blonde girl. Aga. Uh,
it's killing me something aiger Nikita Nikita aga and well done.
(48:10):
And there's a picture of you and me, Noah Tishby,
and Doctor Ron at one of Brown's parties, and we
just looked like just kids really and to see to think.
I know, Nikita's had a child, I think, and that's
what she went and did, much like Julianne Christie. I
think she did it.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
On her own.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
She I don't know that she stayed with someone to
do it. I think I don't know for a fact.
And uh and Noah, of course just blew up with
her book. You know what you don't know about Israel
and the you know.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Yeah, she's the voice of a generation, a generation no killing.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
I dare say we're going to see a lot more
of her in Israeli politics as the next decade rolls by.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Surprised we'd see her every now and then at the
Hollywood wire, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah, and yeah, God bless man. I mean it's halcyon days.
They really were, I mean, I know, and just our
time at paramout. There's a picture of me and Kerry
mcluggage too, really yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
I mean like we were mates. And he was only
around for a good six eight months, wasn't he. I
mean he wasn't maybe a.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Bit longer, was it. Trying to think maybe the first
year and a half, Yeah, I think it was when
by the time the les Munvis had been put in
charge and he put Dawn Ostrov as his woman in
charge of UPN and that's when Rick started getting notes
and there was no one at Paramount to feel that
(49:47):
and you know, help.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah, I will say, as Warren Zban says Kerry mcclugg,
which had hair, was it was a thing of beauty.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Even this fa it's it's it's really hit the notes.
You don't ever give us about the hair. It was
jokingly it was called hair trick. Yeah, bless Yeah. I
had good hair in those days too. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(50:21):
well you still have good hair for something more. It's
you know, look, I mean look we're old blokes now, mate,
you know, and you know, try and stave off the
aging process, but it's it's it's unavoidable unfortunately. Well, yeah,
I want some of that substance that Demi. God blessed
(50:43):
me more. She won last night the Golden Globes.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
We're talking about what did you have you seen that?
I have seen it.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
I it's it's a bonkers film and but she's very
brave in it and and very good. I thought, Uh,
I'm struggling for her name. The girl who stars in
uh Sean Baker's movie Anora Anora Man, Mindy Mickey, Mikey
(51:18):
Mickey Mickey, Mads Madison, Mikey Madison. I thought she that
film got no love last night at the Golden Globes,
and I hope the the the Academy is a bit
more sensible.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
It's I wonder, I mean, we should talk about this after,
you know, off screen, I have questions about it. Did
you see it? Yeah you did, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Did?
Speaker 1 (51:48):
What was your feeling? I thought it was good.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
So when I just laugh your ass off and then
and then it was funny, There are great funny moments.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
I will say that I thought her Long Island accent
was just all over the place, which.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
I don't know specific, but she it's an enclave, a
little enclave of Coney Island that is especially unique. It's
not just a Long Island accent. It's particularly this little
enclave where a lot of Russians live out at Coney Island,
which is her.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
I just I just felt like her it would be
strong and light at different times. At any rate. Really,
my issue with the movie is when, because you know,
you look at it this way, Stripper meets guy. Guy's
got a ton of money, invite Stripper to come in,
(52:56):
pays her, and then after a week they decide to
get married, and then the rest of the movie unfolds.
And then not to give anything away from you, people
haven't seen it, but they pay her ten thousand more
dollars to go find this guy. In the meantime, she's
still professing great love and that I had a problem with.
(53:20):
I had a problem with that. I did. I was
like this, just listen. I get if you're going for
your ten grand and you want to find him. But
some of these scenes near the end of the film
where she's that scene like in the plane where he's
sort of like, yeah, it's over, what are you talking about?
(53:41):
But it doesn't end for her. She continues to feel
this week long marriage had gravitas that I didn't buy.
That was my problem.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Mm okay, yeah, I mean I I I didn't. I
didn't see those jang moments, to be honest. When I
went to see it, and I thought, I thought the
boy that played the oligarch's son was just amazing, I
mean just brilliant, and then the then the henchmen that
(54:15):
show up, We're all fantastic. I mean I saw the
eagle love coming early. I thought he played it beautifully
and he was non last night as well.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
He really happy for him.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, you know the guy.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
I thought, the guy who got his nose broken was
like I thought he was going to die. He was brilliant.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
I mean, I mean, come on, it was a fast
halfway through the film and it was so beautifully played.
Uhian actor that played the lead henchman, he apparently he's
worked with Sean Baker before a couple of times. The priest,
the yeah, brilliant. I mean that scene when he leaves
(54:57):
the church. I was, I don't know, I just I
thought it was the best film I saw this year.
I loved Conclave a lot about and that's we're saying.
And Amelia Perez is really good. It's it's it's it's unique,
and it's certainly worthy of a note. But yeah, for
(55:19):
me and Noura was, I think we're going to see
a lot more from mister Baker. Oh things I saw,
you know, the Florida Project, and he did a movie
here on Hollywood Boulevard with his iPhone. Maybe it's got
to be ten years ago now called Tangerine, Yeah, which
is really good.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
I thought I haven't seen it yet. That Adrian and
Brody film. I saw The Brutalist.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Yeah, I didn't see it on a big screen, I
will have to admit. And I saw it here because
I'm a bafter member. I get the you know, entry
to see these things. It's really it's a great film,
so fantastic performance. I'm not I'm surprised that it won
so big last night, but I am told I think
(56:05):
it would look amazing on a big screen. I think
you would get that, you would be you would be
drawn into the film a lot more.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
Playing at the Vista Theater, which yes, I would be with.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
I would go and see it there, mate, I would,
and I haven't. I'd love to go to the Vista.
It's Tarantino's taking it over, as you know.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
Been there for years. But he turned a thirty five
millimeter camera on its side.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
And was able to do to make a big screen
as it were, wow.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
Because it made this movie for nothing.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Well, yes he did and seven years of hard, bloody work.
Tell you what I did. Love was the Latvian boy
young man. I met him because I went to see
the screening of Flow, the animated film about the cat
which won last night, which it was just amazing and
this was made on a string and it you know,
(57:03):
it was just absolutely spelled minding this film flow. I
can't tell you. And then I met him after and
he's such a nice young man and again, you know,
just labor of love and the first time a Latvian
film has ever been nominated for anything and it won
last night.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
So God, bless my money. I will say, I don't
think it was a great year for films.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
It's not not not you know that, No, I agreed, not.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
One of the exceptionals.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
I thought that Timothy Shallamy as Bob Dylan was very good. Ordinary. Yeah,
he's a He's a talent, isn't he?
Speaker 2 (57:46):
He really is. It doesn't seem to be much he
can't do. I mean, he at him and you're like
you pass him by in a bar and be like nobody.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
But he he he can turn it on.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
And you know that was movie he did last Christmas.
He was brilliant in it. And you know he's sung
and dance man. Yeah, and he sang all the songs
for Dylan and I think he must play guitar.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
I mean, it's well apparently the film had been set
for production pre pandemic, right, So he had all this
time because it couldn't get done until now that he
had all this time to really sort of you know,
just let that seep in right.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
Well, he yeah, he was. He certainly, he's a big talent.
He's gonna do some some some good stuff. He's still
you know, he's still he's still a kid. God bless him.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
Fifteen years old.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
But everything he's ever done there, whether it's a you know,
he had that small part in Don't Look Up, but
he just nailed it, you know, as he would be
lover and yeah, he just he inhabits. He's he's got it.
And Dune. I mean there's not a frame of that
film and he's not in that. He doesn't hold a
your attention at all times and call me.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
By my name. Yeah, yeah, No, he's extraordinary. Not my
favorite that film, I have to say.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
I know, I know there was that scene where they're
they're at home and they're reading proosts in the French,
lying around.
Speaker 1 (59:21):
On these like, oh shut up, exactly.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
Do you want to Madeline?
Speaker 1 (59:32):
Do you want to?
Speaker 2 (59:32):
Mad Anyway, we've traveled on too far, too long, not
talking about Star Trek, but I hope you've enjoyed this
episode as much as we have, and please vote for me.
Speaker 1 (59:47):
It was fun to watch, it was fund well he was.
It was a great episode.
Speaker 2 (59:51):
And next week is I think is LeVar Burton's first
episode Terra Nova the Underground People. Yeah, that'll be our
next one and look forward to it. So ah, God
bless you. I'll see you see all right.
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Speaker 1 (00:46):
I love that. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, trekkies
and trekkers, Welcome back to another watch party episode of
the Dcon Chambers. I'm with my best friend and in America.
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America's right, you got other friends and and castmate dominic
keating I'm I'm proud to be his best friend in America,
traveled the world extensively. Yeah, he messed out of the
other best friends, that's right. That's right. I have. Today
we're going to be watching the episode Unexpected, directed by
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Mike Vaihar several of episodes. This is the first time
we worked with him, and really he's he's a he's
a very unique director and we'll get into that. And
Julianne Christie, who plays a Leen fabulously episode is highlighted.
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And for me, at least, you know it was it
was the first episode where it was like tip out
at the end of the rock kid, because you got one.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, this is a great episode for you, not least
I love the comedy of it and you're you're really
you really hit the notes and it's really and it
starts off so beautifully with you know, the gravity placing
going out on the deck and Scott's taking a shower.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Of course, Ninjeo Ling gets pludge for her soda water.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, and uh, you know, things are going wrong and
and as we find out, we are being you know,
not hijacked, but someone's hitting a ride.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
We're being drafted by a ship.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, and I do love those moments and TV shows
when they when they go preeze going tighter, it's CSI,
it's it's you name it, you know, any one of
those medical shows, and all of a sudden there's the.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Ship that's right, of course. Uh, just sort of an
overall before we sort of get into the steps of
the episode, you know, it kind of felt like some
kind of like groovy seventies party. Then, you know, the
way that everybody was was costumed and they're you know,
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they had sort of simmery you know, shimmery scales, and
and the whole vibe of it was you know, and
then they're they're not.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Dangerous, they're they're they're themselves loving people as it were.
And uh yeah, basically and spat there should have been
spa music throughout truely. So yeah, your sends across to
go and help them with their engineering issues, uh and
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get them off our backs, as it were, which is
causing all sorts of trouble on on on our ship.
And yeah, and then you meet the wonderful Len who's
their engineer, and beautiful played.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Not only that, and then to be able to with
all of that makeup and prosthetic.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
There must have been I mean, I just you look
at it, it's like, you know, I mean I did
the Sula band. That was bad enough, but that looked
like it was just.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Encased.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Really, I never actually saw her until you never until
we did the other right.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And then she came on. Yeah, we met and she
lovely lady, what a great, lovely person. And she's moved
back up to Canada now and I think she works
extensively up there, and she's got all sorts of projects
going on, and she's I think she was directing plays
if I remember, rightly, but really a lovely lady.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
And she right after that episode.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I remember her saying in the time we met her
that it inspired her to go off and be a
single mother, that's right. Yeah, And I think she did it,
you know, the sort of biological way as it were,
you know, through insemination as it were, not you know,
not not the normal routes. She just was like, I
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want to be a mum. And it was that episode,
Oh well, it made her think times are wasting.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
You're welcome, You're welcome. You know those pebbles man, that's right,
you know. Interestingly, the director Mike Vehar.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
He he came from editing mm hmm, and he always
had this because we did several episodes with him. He
always had a three ring binder and in that three
ring binder. He had literally cut the show before he
shot it, right, so really quickly. And again, you know,
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we're four episodes in and and I'm still trying to like,
I think, well, listen, anytime you're being asked to cut
a scene in half just because they don't need the
rest of it, isn't really fair to the actor because
you don't learn a scene and then trunk hit it.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
No, you haven't had the time.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
You could maybe do that having rehearsed to play for
three to four weeks or even you know, in movies
they shoot a page maybe a page and a half
a day, and it is not amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
When you think about that.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Even even today, a two day page day on a
movie is a big day. Can you imagine the luxury
of that.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Amazing?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
So yeah, No, it's if you, if you.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
If you're not completely conversant with the with the four page,
three page scene and it's got junks of dialogue, yeah,
five lines deep. Yeah, to just jump in somewhere, it's easy. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And I remember, because of course we shoot out of order,
that we didn't shoot the early scene where Tripp is
you know, trying to help facilitate working on the problem
with their engine.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
He would say, I just need these four lines. And
I would say, but Mike, what do you mean. I've
got to get up to that point, and I've got
to get past that point for the only merely the
consistency of my own work. You know. I didn't want
to just jump in and say these four lines. And
I said, can I do the whole thing? And he said, well, yeah, sure,
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if you want to waste my time, we'll have to
go to Grace for lunch, you know. And I'm sure
that happened a few times. But but I was like,
you know, listen, man, I mean, I get what you need,
but you also have to understand what I need in
terms of being able to do a scene.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And those scenes I remember, I mean, having seen it now,
they were in some ways complicated because you were under
duress from their environment and you had to sort of
you know, you were you were fuzzy headed and constantly
coming back to the captain going I think you need
to get here, Yeah, get me, get me out of here.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
And yeah, I can imagine that that was quite taxing.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
To have him, you know, just just just to do
these four lines, you know, I mean, you know, is
it the TV director? I mean maybe, you know, I
don't know, maybe some actors can do it. And once
you get look, it was our fourth episode and he
was coming in like, you know, we've been a cast
for three years and you know.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, well I think also, you know, there are other
directors work differently. Other directors would would you know, ask well,
what do you need to do the scene? And Mike's
em O was, here's what I need for the scene.
That's all you have to do. And I found myself
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and I found myself working with him this way. From
that point forward, it was like, it's going to take
a whole another minute for us to just get through
the scene. Can I just get through the scene? And
you know, he was he was open to that, but
he definitely he was like he knew, he knew how
the show was going to look before he ever show. Yeah,
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just exciting. It's a real talent.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I mean, you know, and yeah, it certainly saved time
and you know, and look, it wasn't his first rodeo
with shooting Star Trek either, so I can come from
an editing background and having shot several shows before us. Yeah,
that comments about you know, it only being our fourth
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episode and us i'd having said, there were a lot
of scenes where it looked like we had been a
cast that had been together for four years already. And yeah,
I thought there was a nice fluidity if I trump
blow our trumpet. That lovely messal scene we have when
you get back from the ship was really like, you know,
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there were like two old buddies having breakfast together and.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I kept eating and eating and eating.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
And it's one of the toughest things you'll ever do,
is an eating scene. Must allowed some scrambled eggs. Yeah,
but it was a lovely it was a really nice scene.
And it had all the invocation of you know, it
being slightly sort of not smutty but sultry and you know,
yeah that's coming that you're coming from you and.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
It was, it was, it was, it was.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
It was well played, and yeah, I had a lot
of humor. It wasn't wink wink, nod nod, but it
had that It had that nice, I don't know tone of.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
It, the underlying tone of it. Yeah, the whole episode.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Did, I mean, even with Scott in the shower at
the beginning, and I hope it didn't cause you any
inconvenience of long. It's well written, I mean in that
respect it had a great tone and then tonality throughout.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And written by Rick and Brennan, Rick and Brown and
yeah that's some.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, and uh yeah, Julianne was she played it again
with that scene you have when you play the game
in the in.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
The rowboat and they hollow graphic.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
How do we just how we say that the hologram studio. Yeah,
it was really beautifully done. And uh, yes, you held
that camera nicely. You know.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
You find me attractive, right, yeah, and you both mind
you attracted that the scene before that when he's in
there sort of recovering and she's handing him what you think.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Are pieces of ice. In reality, it was unflavored. Jello
really is such a thing. Yeah, it's just it's just gelatine, right,
all right? It was terrible. Uh and then I when
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I is it?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
That is it?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
That scene where I discovered when they're because they also
have you know, organics growing within their ship. I just
picked off the wall and all that was was just
Rob Rockley. I'd have been in in heaven. Yeah, right,
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do you have any ranch? But also you know all
those scenes like the scene on the boat where he
finally gets pregnant. You know, the reality of that scene,
as lovely as it was to watch, the reality of
that scene was there were there were four guys rock
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there was like it was I had no idea what
this even was was going to look like, right, was
you on it? Was it a blue screen or yeah? Yes,
y yeah, yeah, and you know you had because I
think actually I think that that was b unit for
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some reason. It maybe happened at the end of the
episode and Andy Dougie director did.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It Okay, Yeah, well that's a big scene to give
off to be in it because yeah, yeah, that's it's
a it's a it's an integral part of the story.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
That bit. Yeah beautifully.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, he he went in closed some both of you
just when it needed to go in close and good coverage.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, you know. I think there's something also that Star
Trek doesn't do often, which are real intimate scenes, and
that was that was one of them.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, there's been there's there's a beautiful episode between Bob
Picado and seven of nine, an episode where he is
just fallen head over heels for her and it's unrequited.
She doesn't even really know. I think I forget what
the episode is called, but there, yeah, there, there's there's
a couple of beautiful moments that Bob has and he
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just nails them.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Your heart just.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Breaks for this, you know, you know, holographic doctor, right,
and it's yeah, it is often as not they can be.
And I actually having I want to put the episode
on last night to look at it in prepp. I
was wondering how if it had dated itself rather than
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you know, poorly, whether there were any jokes about you know,
transgendered you know stuff or you know that because sometimes
you know, I showed him, you know, given them.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
It was a bit of a boys club. What did
you think it could?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
But it stands up well, it's uh does there was
There were no sort of you know, embarrassing moments and
the doctors you know, telling you the news that whether
it's good or bad, but you're pregnant. Yeah, and then
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you slide out of the MRI.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I cock first, I swear to god, I saw, well,
I now know it's a cup and I was like,
come on, man, it's a dance bell.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Uh let's see.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
We were all all.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Right, we were mightily jealous. Oh the funny thing about
about that there it comes Sumerwise's coming after it.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
The funny thing about seeing it was a lesson. I
learned very well that. So when he has that scene
with DePaul Archer and the doctor, yeah, that's a great scene.
And uh, she's like really three days. What it happened
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was is that they did everybody's coverage mine, and then
we cut for lunch. So you had to pick it up.
We had to. We had to pick up my stuff.
So and during the whole coverage, everything was great, all right,
we come back from lunch. All my bloods in my stomach.
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It's and I had the worst time for the first
time and not the last, mind you, the worst time
getting through that scene. And and by the time we
got through that scene, I went back to my trailer
and pulled like a DiCaprio in uh oh my god.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I went into my and I was like what I mean,
throwing stuff, And I was like, you knew this, man,
You already did it for this for everybody else. Why
couldn't you do it when it was all on you.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
It's a lonely time for an act of that as well.
Oh you did You're off camera and you give the
performance of a lifetime, and the minute that black Box
turns around to stare at you, you're.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Like, yeah. And also when you lose that momentum what
you're doing together, it's like we're turning around, We're turning around.
We're turning around. Your turn, your turn, you turn, and
then they're like, lunch and I came back. There were
just there were a couple of moments that were just
impossible for me to get eventually did obviously, but because.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
You nailed them, you nailed them. I mean, some of
the one looks you have between the captain and to
Paul are just beautiful.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And I really think some of those looks were like
I in some ways maybe that yeah, exactly, the actual
slump of Lunch helped, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah. And John's so good in it too. He uh,
he plays it beautifully. He's just right, you know. He
hits the beats very well.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah. And as I remember, and I could be wrong
about this, but all those moments in the episode where
Trip starts saying things about, you know, concern for his baby.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Mm hmmm. That look the elevator that they did they
ever use that elevator or any other time the show
was a fortune on that on that.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And you could even tell in the beginnings like, yeah, people.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Along see it actually was it was you know, Piston,
it was proper right, but it's a very funny moment.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Look at this, look at this right. But in all
of those scenes, I felt like we hadn't quite got
the notion of what it Again, my apologies to anybody
who's been actually pregnant, what it would be like mm hmm.
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We we we did some embellishing on that because I
thought it was important, like the amount of food that
he eats at in the dining with when in the
Captain's mess.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
And spaghetti spaghetti, what is it?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Chicken chicken freak as it looked.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Uh As Sarah, my fiance, loved it so much she
looked it up, she said, we're gonna she's going to
make that sometime before.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Really, but yeah, that was important to me too, uh,
in any way that I could accent what had been
written in in in a more I guess, I don't
know profound way. You know. I say this all with
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knowing what it goes, what happens, what's required to have
a baby, and I've done, but I think that we
did a good job at at at showing. By the way,
I think that Scott and I are the only two
males to have been pregnant at that time on please
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because he I think he'd been pregnant on Quantum Leap.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And then yes, that's Chelsea's daughter that was way back
with his first wife. And then yeah, and I think no,
I think Chelsea. Chelsea is strange. He's got a daughter
called Chelsea, and then he married his second wife's called Chelsea.
But he supports West brom is Allian. We have since
cleared up. Make of that what you will. Actually it's
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because his mother in law, God bless her, Barbara has
passed away now she was there. They originally came from
West brom the West Midlands, quite near where it's near Birmingham.
It's where it's where I grew up. It's West Country.
They went through Canada first, I think he him saying,
and then came down to America. And that's just that's
how Chelsea ended up being. But originally her grandparents, her
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parents are from West Bromise Albium or West brom and
the team's called West Promise Albion because Chelsea she the
two boys were already little boys when we started shooting
our show. So she he but he was being a
he was being a dad, particularly to Owen the youngest.
He was probably three and a half four when we started.
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I don't think it was more you know, he was
going through.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Which was you know, the kids that are you pregnant with?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
There we are at that by the time we were shot.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Not yet. No, that was the end. That was the
end of season four for us, right, it was, wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah? Yeah? So but yeah, no, we did. It was
nicely handled, and you know, the nipples growing on your
wrist were a nice touch, and the fact that you're
covering them up with you know, a large almost a
aruka plus.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
And and I loved how just awful and dismissive the
Klingons were about the pack. Yeah, apparently that that means
what you might think it might mean.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, it's you.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Know, a slur, piss off you p attack.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
But yeah, they were hilarious to cling.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
It's God bless them. Now I'm going to make a
lot of them. We know who that was. M No,
I'd have to look that one up. I always want
to think that every every kling On that we ever
dealt with was either JG or Bob, But I think we.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Never ever this was a separate This was a different actor.
God bless them, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, and the guy who was the captain of the
I'll End ship. And I've never seen eyes that were
so wide open they were, weren't they. Yeah, it's so funny.
As I said before, like I never saw Juliane. I
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never saw any of them outside of makeup because they
might have been there at four in the morning. Yeah,
you know, they get there at three thirty four in
the morning for a six seven am shoot and by
the time you get there, they're almost done, right. Yeah.
I remember she had these two Siberian Huskies that she
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brought or won.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Oh she's a big dog person, that's right.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
She is. She still is, yeah, yeah, no, But she
was wonderful to work with it. She was a she
was a great scene partner. I bet she played it.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
She played the sexuality of it with just the right,
just the right, you know, zest right. And she had
in those costumes that walk she had when she when
you when you walk out of the holographic room and
she so she does something with her first step that
is just like, yeah, I suddenly you just go Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I saw the same thing. I was like, yeah, there's
a nice little dance move like yeah, very cool. Yeah, yeah,
I noticed these things. I was often told, you know,
someone who encouraged me to do this as a profession.
You know, it's how you walk across the stage is
one of the most important things you'll ever do.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Okay, Yeah, And it's as much as anything else. Your
your movement and your voice are the you know, right,
really the tools you've got in your bag. And yeah,
you can put a limp on, you can do this
and that the other. You can do all sorts of
other sort of little business tricks, but those are the
two main And she she did it very well, very
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nice and dog.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Person Linda and Anthony must have done all sorts of
things that week because they were hardly in that episode,
so they.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Wasn't it much. Yeah, And I think I think this
episode for me was what was likely. I really cemented
the idea that I was going to let Dominic come through.
I think I saw that in the messole scene we
had together that you know, I wasn't going to play
this just some stuffy guy just asking about the engineering
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and that there would be there would be you know,
intent behind his his his his questioning and you know,
without being you know, as I say, smutty or something.
It was it was comedic and fun.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, And I will also say that without really earning it,
in terms of our narrative, you know, it was clear
that we were already friends.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yes, it was, wasn't it. That's what I got from
watching it, that the chemistry was already there. And and
as we know that they're looking for that, and then
God bless them off they went and wrote some more
stuff for us.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
What else about the episode?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
What do you think about Mike Veihars you know, I mean,
they hit, they hit the beats, didn't it?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
It was I'll tell you something, what I what I
felt about and I always felt about Mike beer direction.
So when you're as the actor attempting to create this episode,
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it was very aniseptic to me. I mean I always
had an aniseptic relationship with him, not impersonal, but the
way that he worked was so different from what I
was used to or even expected. Again because it would
be like, you know, we don't we only need you
know a third of this page from a four page
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scene and that took some getting used to. I mean,
it's all you know, it's all part of the process
there where you you you learn about you know the
process of filmmaking.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, I mean you know there was there's there was
one beat for you, which was I loved your performance
throughout me, but there was one beat. And this is
where somewhere like someone like my Veha is of no
use to the actor that you should have come in
hard and fast with it, and you you I forget,
I'd have to go back and look at the episode
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and you it's in the denial of what you did.
I think it could have been in that scene after
lunch when you needed to be sharp on the denial
and actually kind of not lose your temper with the
captain and to Paul, and it would have been funnier
and you and you still were pleading your case with
it rather And that's where we barely got direction like that,
(28:32):
where whereas if you or I had been directing an
episode like that, That's what I'm looking for is you know,
don't do it like that, do it.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Like this right right? Yeah, and play that.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah. Versus Versus barely got that.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Versus Vahar's style which was I'm literally looking at what's
required from me easily make an episode television.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Not especially looking at the performances at all. Not really,
I mean it was I can't I can't really remember
any director coming up to me and saying, you know,
you might think about doing.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
It like this.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
LeVar LeVar, He agreed, I'll give you that.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, yeah, LaVar would do that. He would walk in
and go, what do you want to do? Right? And
then you'd do it. He'd go, great, M sure about this.
Let's just tweak a couple of things. You're on the
right track, but let's just tweak these things. He wasn't
going for shot, he was going for scene and storytelling. Yeah, storytelling.
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And again, you know, you as as an actor, you
have to have all these tools in your bag because
you know, if you begin to work with someone who
was working in one fashion or another, boy, you better
show up to that otherwise you're not coming back.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Strangely enough, I mean, you know, I spent and I
think you did do but I spent a lot of
time in the editing suite hoping to get a chance
to direct. And one thing that JP Farrell said to
me about LeVar was that he was really clever at
not giving the editor choices that he didn't want them
to have in the scene, so you had to cut
(30:21):
it the way he saw it. And he said that
of LeVar more than once you see I can't I
can't do I he said, I wouldn't mind having this now,
but I haven't.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Got it because give it to me. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, even though he was looking at performance in his
mind's eye, he's already thinking about how this is going
to be. Yeah, and when he goes in it's like, no,
well that's what I want you to just see it from.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Here, not there. Yeah, I'm sure that editing of Mike
Behar episode was just one two three go.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, Sure he was.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
He was.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
He was very well and like very nice man.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I really enjoyed him. I mean, I don't want to
sound like criticism. It's just you know, when you work,
because as an actor, you're you're working for the director.
You really are, you know, in the seat, and they're
they're looking at what you're doing and giving you adjustments,
and it's they're just different dynamics. You know, Alan Croker
(31:25):
very different from Mike Fai, LeVar Burton very different. Robbie
Duncan McNeil different, you know, and Rock sand was cutting
her teeth on our show, and you know, you you
we were four episodes in and you begin to learn
a language for yourself about how to facilitate what you
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want to do. And I was just probably wasting his time.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I love the fact you went back to the trader
and pulled the DiCaprio.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Oh, I was so many.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I couldn't just have one whiskey sour. If you guys
haven't seen it, it's a Tarantino. It's the Hollywood story,
which is just since upon a time in Hollywood, upon
a time in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Gaprio goes in to play an episode of some Western
show and he's got a lot to say, and he
messes up his first scene because he's had eight whiskey
sours the night before, and in the pool trailer after
after blowing his first scene and just kind of destroys
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his trailer. And I did something similar, No whiskey.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Sours, just you know, too much, too much sandwich, exactly right,
too much bread. Yeah, man, we were ripped in those days, dude. Honestly,
I spent this you know, it's been the Christmas period
and I spent basically two weeks clearing out my garage,
which I didn't know I was a secret hoarder, but yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Was a secret hoarder.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I've kept everything. I'm not kidding me. I have found photographs.
I should have to share some with you and fans stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I mean, just folders and folders of it.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Darn you texted me a photo of the back of
the chair that said Dominique eating.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
That came about so that we have the offset chairs
where we could sit and relax, you know, when they're
in setup. If it was a quick setup before we
weren't going back to the trailer, we'd had to read
through paramount with when we all met for the first
time at the offices there, we had the table read
and then Scott Backler was going to go off to
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New York to do what's called the Upfronts, which is
the promotional little sort of tour for the shows coming
on your network TVs. That would winter, I guess it
would have been full season. And when we were told
that by Rick Berman, I muttered under my breath, oh God,
he's probably going to call me Dominique, because that happens
(34:21):
a lot.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
And uh and sure man.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Honestly, when we our first day on set, there was
much with Dominique eating, Rick and Brannon had had it
made up. I thought I thought I'd lost it, or
I thought I'd sold it, or it had gone anyway,
the one that I thought I had, and then no,
it was in a box stuffed up in the top
of the rafters of the garage.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Some of the other gems that you you came across
that you're going wow.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I mean, there's pictures of us man at the at
the the paramount premier of the show, with Kerry McCluggage
and Jerry Ryan and I mean just Brann and we
all look like just children. I mean, it's extraordinary. What
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else did I find? I mean, I've just got, I mean,
endless some stuff from the I brought. I was a
bit of a scrapbooker of my career when I came
over thirty years ago. And God bless the newspaper cuttings
I kept from the reviews of the plays I did
before I came over. They got they helped me get
my green card, and I found that scrap book. Oh,
(35:39):
I've got pictures of the plays I was in, and
you know, with Tim Spall in something called Screamers at Edinburgh,
with what's his name Rupert Graves in a play called
Pitchfork Disney, which was a big hit, and I mean
it just I'll have to maybe I'll make a montage.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Sarah has got blessed. She loves this.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
She's she's scrapbooking and filing at them, you know as
as we go along.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
That's wonderful, it is.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I mean, it's do you know so that show Desmond's
I did. I know we're going slightly off track here,
but it's worth commenting. The woman that played the mother
on Desmond's, that sitcom set in the West Indian barbershop
where I affectionately say I played the token honkey trendy
tony who did all the modern cuts in the salon.
(36:32):
Carmen Monroe has just been made a Dane. I don't
know today I can actually say that is like the
Knighthood for women for actors who are women, and she
got in the honors. This Carmen Monroe is now Dame
Carmen and I couldn't be more tough. I found out
(36:54):
her agent's email address through the man that played her
husband on that Norman Eaten, who's since passed away. God
blessed Norman.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
His son.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I know here in La will he had one of
his sons and he got hold of Dulcy's email address,
her agency, and I emailed and got to return straight away.
Not from Carmen yet, we'll see. I think she lives
in Florida, but she's pushing ninety now, God bless.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
What had she done a lot after Desmond's.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I don't know, they don't. I'd have to look that
up me. You know, after I left, I lost touch
with a lot of people that from professionally speaking. And
I know she made the money she made. She bought
a house in Florida. She fancied living in the sun
and the house that Desmond's built. And she might have
(37:49):
come back and done some things, but she was, you know,
as a she was a groundbreaking black actor in a
time when it was difficult. You know, there were there were,
There was a handful of them, and they all came
on Desmond's. God bless I met them all in my day.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
How does how does how does one wind up getting?
I mean, are men and women knighted? It's the same thing. Well,
it's so yes, if you're a woman.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I know we don't use the term actress anymore, but
if you're an actor actress, you get damed, you get
dame hood. And if you're an actor male actor, then
you get knighted.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
You become and you know what the process is to
It's like, for instance, to get a star on the
Hollywood Walk of Fame, right, you have to be nominated
quite the same mate, No, I know, I know, I'm
going to a point here, I believe you. But to
get that you have to be nominated by like two
or three people through a process. In terms of like
(38:49):
the knighthood.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Take que a lot of money too, as I as
I think basically buy one, you can buy one, but
you do you do have to be non then you've
got to be somebody.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Now, how does it work in England?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I imagine there's a committee through Buckingham Palace that that
that proffers names to the honors list. It is it
is you know it's now King Charles the thirds Honors list,
but for all my lifetime it was Elizabeth the second
Honors list. So yes, I'm sure names are presented. Uh
(39:22):
and can you apply for it? I think you want
you present you, you, you present, you, you, what's what
would be the word? There's you advocate, someone advocates on
your behalf that you might be worthy of it. They
gave one to David Beckham this year too. He's been
he's now sir David. It's a long way to say that.
(39:42):
And Stephen Frye, who I was at school with, has
become a night Yeah, he's now night thirsty.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
A long way to go to say that. You know,
if there's someone who could nominate you. You were on Desmond's,
you were on Enterprise.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Well yeah, we'll see. I don't I just I didn't
have a big enough career. I don't think to to
to uh. I don't think I could.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Actually call you sir, you know, but I settled for
an O b E. I mean, you know, quite happily.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
My grandfather was an Abe God Bless and uh, you know,
my mom used to get totally pissed off because they
started giving OBEs out to you know, celebrities as it were.
You know, I remember the first year God Bless and
she was a lovely lady. I met her once or
twice because some people I know here in La knew
her sister very well. Olivia Newton John. But I do
remember when Olivia Newton John was given an O B E.
(40:34):
My mom was mightily ticked off.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Was she.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Order? Your grandfather fought in two world Wards? He was
a brigadier general, he.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Was in Greece, she was exactly, so it was different
the Order of the British Empire.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, A CBE, N B, O B Knighthood. I think
those are the the on his lists in entirely. Commander
of the British Empires is slightly better than Order of
the British Empire, and an MB is underneath an OBE.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I think, I think it goes CB, OB E, M
B E. But it it doesn't matter what capacity you
served in for the British Empire.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
No, it's it is, you know, and some people, God
bless it's for charitable work, you know. Particularly you don't
have to be famous, as it were. But if you've
spent a lifetime, you know, and raised a lot of
money for certain charity and given your life to that,
you're going to be recognized for that.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
And yeah, well I saw you know, basically what's it
called here? Is it the Medal of Freedom?
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, And they made the list of this year's people
and like a third of them. I was like who that.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Really?
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Really?
Speaker 2 (41:54):
It was one name on this year is on his
list that I was like, really really, Yeah, I'm not
going to say who because it would be churlish. Really,
you know, they've done a couple of good episodes in
you know, really, so maybe there's hope for me yet. Mate, Look,
lets me forget and I could get it out from
underneath the of the desk. Here. I am a stamp
(42:17):
and I will always have them, that's right. Yeah. So anyway,
we've gone off track a little bit. I hope you
haven't bored some people. But what else to say about
our episode before me? Maybe wrap it up? I thought
you were very good. It's really what I want to
come to. You played the comedic aspect of it beautifully.
You played the uh, the love scene if you will,
(42:39):
the meat, the meat cute. I think we can call
it really well.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
And it's it was a great episode for you. Yeah,
it was a great episode for me, and I have
to say that and in my memory of working on it,
because there was a comedic element to it, there was
something so easy about it. Yeah, it relaxed you a bit.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, I hear that now, having said that, given that
they didn't know that you maybe could do that, you
never auditioned with anything like that, did they? Did?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
You know?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Well? I was. I mean I wonder whether they'd had
that script or even an idea of that script when
you met them. I shouldn't maybe probably not right, And
that's quite a I mean, I have to tell you
that they're taking some big swings with an actor. You know, well,
can he do this? I mean, because some people don't
know how to do, you know, to make something cute
(43:34):
and funny?
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, you know, And and as I said before, I
mean I was involved in the funny about trying to
make it funnier. And you know, I like, for instance,
I think that the scene where the lift happens. We
didn't get to do this very often, but there was,
and this is early on, is that you know, I
(43:55):
got to do some embellishment and I was like, let
me just try something. And then Jan would call the
office and they'd be like, well, okay, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Well in that respect, you know, they say comedy is
a serious business. And that scene you played seriously, you
seriously put out of joint that this was a death trap.
For a small person and what was the name of
the guy you you began with d I forget his name.
He was seeing his.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
One his struck face, well person, sir. Yeah, it was great.
And the dinner scene too, you know there was there
was a certain amount of embellishment in that with the
doctor and Archer before they go see the Klingons. Yeah.
(44:47):
I don't think they knew. And we didn't do this
much more after that either we didn't didn't do and
do a lot of funny stuff. I mean I can
think of you know, two days and two nights, right,
I can't think of many more. I mean there were moments,
but there were no real thematically right episodes that we did.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
It was a big swing. I mean by for episode
four to have you know, one of the lead you know,
Top three get you know, a male actor, a male
character get pregnant was yeah. And as I say, it's
not to you know, bang on. But it could have
come across horribly dated and they could have made some
real trodden, some real nasty stuff and they didn't.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
And they could have been offensive. Yeah, it could have
been offensive.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
And hats off to them they they did it well.
It was I think Yeah, it was a good episode.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah, it was a great deal of fun. It was,
you know, I it's funny going back to see these
every now and then. I'll I'll find one on TV
late at night. But I like, I don't rewatch our show.
I never have.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
I do for you know, the first time we came
together to do this sort of stuff, I'd never seen
it all. And you know what happened was I used
to go home to England and it was those days
it would it would be off the air in England
because well it wouldn't have started. And then by the
time I got back to LA to start the new season,
it was off the air here and so I missed it.
(46:20):
And yeah, I missed a lot of it. So it
was it was very it's been very educational to you know.
And see, overall we were pretty good, I have to say.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
I have to say that, to be honest, it's a
little hard to see how great looking I was at
about thirty four years old.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Prime, I mean absolutely prime. We all were particularly you know.
I mean, that's that's the thing, isn't it. I Mean,
most people on Telly God Bless, you're either you're twenty
two to maybe forty. They didn't know I was. I
don't think they knew I was. I've always looked a
little younger than my years.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
You man saying how old you were when you started
a Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Was thirty eight and I was in my early forties
by the time we finished. Yeah, I think they thought
I was about I think they probably thought you were
twenty eight to thirty. And I think they thought I
was about thirty three, thirty four or something like that.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, and I was thirty two.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
I think you were thirty two, right, so you know,
but we all look like kids, honestly. There's pictures of
other stuff I found in the grass, pictures of us
at Brannon's parties.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
You've got to bring them out. I would love to.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I'll have to bring them in. There's doctor Ron and
just know what, there's you, me, Noah Tishby, and I
keep forgetting the girls now. I'm so friendly with her
for a while. Blonde girl, the blonde girl. Aga. Uh,
it's killing me something aiger Nikita Nikita aga and well done.
(48:10):
And there's a picture of you and me, Noah Tishby,
and Doctor Ron at one of Brown's parties, and we
just looked like just kids really and to see to think.
I know, Nikita's had a child, I think, and that's
what she went and did, much like Julianne Christie. I
think she did it.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
On her own.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
She I don't know that she stayed with someone to
do it. I think I don't know for a fact.
And uh and Noah, of course just blew up with
her book. You know what you don't know about Israel
and the you know.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Yeah, she's the voice of a generation, a generation no killing.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
I dare say we're going to see a lot more
of her in Israeli politics as the next decade rolls by.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Surprised we'd see her every now and then at the
Hollywood wire, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah, and yeah, God bless man. I mean it's halcyon days.
They really were, I mean, I know, and just our
time at paramout. There's a picture of me and Kerry
mcluggage too, really yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
I mean like we were mates. And he was only
around for a good six eight months, wasn't he. I
mean he wasn't maybe a.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Bit longer, was it. Trying to think maybe the first
year and a half, Yeah, I think it was when
by the time the les Munvis had been put in
charge and he put Dawn Ostrov as his woman in
charge of UPN and that's when Rick started getting notes
and there was no one at Paramount to feel that
(49:47):
and you know, help.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah, I will say, as Warren Zban says Kerry mcclugg,
which had hair, was it was a thing of beauty.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Even this fa it's it's it's really hit the notes.
You don't ever give us about the hair. It was
jokingly it was called hair trick. Yeah, bless Yeah. I
had good hair in those days too. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(50:21):
well you still have good hair for something more. It's
you know, look, I mean look we're old blokes now, mate,
you know, and you know, try and stave off the
aging process, but it's it's it's unavoidable unfortunately. Well, yeah,
I want some of that substance that Demi. God blessed
(50:43):
me more. She won last night the Golden Globes.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
We're talking about what did you have you seen that?
I have seen it.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
I it's it's a bonkers film and but she's very
brave in it and and very good. I thought, Uh,
I'm struggling for her name. The girl who stars in
uh Sean Baker's movie Anora Anora Man, Mindy Mickey, Mikey
(51:18):
Mickey Mickey, Mads Madison, Mikey Madison. I thought she that
film got no love last night at the Golden Globes,
and I hope the the the Academy is a bit
more sensible.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
It's I wonder, I mean, we should talk about this after,
you know, off screen, I have questions about it. Did
you see it? Yeah you did, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Did?
Speaker 1 (51:48):
What was your feeling? I thought it was good.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
So when I just laugh your ass off and then
and then it was funny, There are great funny moments.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
I will say that I thought her Long Island accent
was just all over the place, which.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
I don't know specific, but she it's an enclave, a
little enclave of Coney Island that is especially unique. It's
not just a Long Island accent. It's particularly this little
enclave where a lot of Russians live out at Coney Island,
which is her.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
I just I just felt like her it would be
strong and light at different times. At any rate. Really,
my issue with the movie is when, because you know,
you look at it this way, Stripper meets guy. Guy's
got a ton of money, invite Stripper to come in,
(52:56):
pays her, and then after a week they decide to
get married, and then the rest of the movie unfolds.
And then not to give anything away from you, people
haven't seen it, but they pay her ten thousand more
dollars to go find this guy. In the meantime, she's
still professing great love and that I had a problem with.
(53:20):
I had a problem with that. I did. I was
like this, just listen. I get if you're going for
your ten grand and you want to find him. But
some of these scenes near the end of the film
where she's that scene like in the plane where he's
sort of like, yeah, it's over, what are you talking about?
(53:41):
But it doesn't end for her. She continues to feel
this week long marriage had gravitas that I didn't buy.
That was my problem.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Mm okay, yeah, I mean I I I didn't. I
didn't see those jang moments, to be honest. When I
went to see it, and I thought, I thought the
boy that played the oligarch's son was just amazing, I
mean just brilliant, and then the then the henchmen that
(54:15):
show up, We're all fantastic. I mean I saw the
eagle love coming early. I thought he played it beautifully
and he was non last night as well.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
He really happy for him.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, you know the guy.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
I thought, the guy who got his nose broken was
like I thought he was going to die. He was brilliant.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
I mean, I mean, come on, it was a fast
halfway through the film and it was so beautifully played.
Uhian actor that played the lead henchman, he apparently he's
worked with Sean Baker before a couple of times. The priest,
the yeah, brilliant. I mean that scene when he leaves
(54:57):
the church. I was, I don't know, I just I
thought it was the best film I saw this year.
I loved Conclave a lot about and that's we're saying.
And Amelia Perez is really good. It's it's it's it's unique,
and it's certainly worthy of a note. But yeah, for
(55:19):
me and Noura was, I think we're going to see
a lot more from mister Baker. Oh things I saw,
you know, the Florida Project, and he did a movie
here on Hollywood Boulevard with his iPhone. Maybe it's got
to be ten years ago now called Tangerine, Yeah, which
is really good.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
I thought I haven't seen it yet. That Adrian and
Brody film. I saw The Brutalist.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Yeah, I didn't see it on a big screen, I
will have to admit. And I saw it here because
I'm a bafter member. I get the you know, entry
to see these things. It's really it's a great film,
so fantastic performance. I'm not I'm surprised that it won
so big last night, but I am told I think
(56:05):
it would look amazing on a big screen. I think
you would get that, you would be you would be
drawn into the film a lot more.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
Playing at the Vista Theater, which yes, I would be with.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
I would go and see it there, mate, I would,
and I haven't. I'd love to go to the Vista.
It's Tarantino's taking it over, as you know.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
Been there for years. But he turned a thirty five
millimeter camera on its side.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
And was able to do to make a big screen
as it were, wow.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
Because it made this movie for nothing.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Well, yes he did and seven years of hard, bloody work.
Tell you what I did. Love was the Latvian boy
young man. I met him because I went to see
the screening of Flow, the animated film about the cat
which won last night, which it was just amazing and
this was made on a string and it you know,
(57:03):
it was just absolutely spelled minding this film flow. I
can't tell you. And then I met him after and
he's such a nice young man and again, you know,
just labor of love and the first time a Latvian
film has ever been nominated for anything and it won
last night.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
So God, bless my money. I will say, I don't
think it was a great year for films.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
It's not not not you know that, No, I agreed, not.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
One of the exceptionals.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
I thought that Timothy Shallamy as Bob Dylan was very good. Ordinary. Yeah,
he's a He's a talent, isn't he?
Speaker 2 (57:46):
He really is. It doesn't seem to be much he
can't do. I mean, he at him and you're like
you pass him by in a bar and be like nobody.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
But he he he can turn it on.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
And you know that was movie he did last Christmas.
He was brilliant in it. And you know he's sung
and dance man. Yeah, and he sang all the songs
for Dylan and I think he must play guitar.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
I mean, it's well apparently the film had been set
for production pre pandemic, right, So he had all this
time because it couldn't get done until now that he
had all this time to really sort of you know,
just let that seep in right.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
Well, he yeah, he was. He certainly, he's a big talent.
He's gonna do some some some good stuff. He's still
you know, he's still he's still a kid. God bless him.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
Fifteen years old.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
But everything he's ever done there, whether it's a you know,
he had that small part in Don't Look Up, but
he just nailed it, you know, as he would be
lover and yeah, he just he inhabits. He's he's got it.
And Dune. I mean there's not a frame of that
film and he's not in that. He doesn't hold a
your attention at all times and call me.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
By my name. Yeah, yeah, No, he's extraordinary. Not my
favorite that film, I have to say.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
I know, I know there was that scene where they're
they're at home and they're reading proosts in the French,
lying around.
Speaker 1 (59:21):
On these like, oh shut up, exactly.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
Do you want to Madeline?
Speaker 1 (59:32):
Do you want to?
Speaker 2 (59:32):
Mad Anyway, we've traveled on too far, too long, not
talking about Star Trek, but I hope you've enjoyed this
episode as much as we have, and please vote for me.
Speaker 1 (59:47):
It was fun to watch, it was fund well he was.
It was a great episode.
Speaker 2 (59:51):
And next week is I think is LeVar Burton's first
episode Terra Nova the Underground People. Yeah, that'll be our
next one and look forward to it. So ah, God
bless you. I'll see you see all right.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
I love you.
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