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Speaker 1 (00:52):
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Speaker 2 (01:00):
Hey there, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, trekkies and trekkers,
Welcome back to another episode of the dcon Chamber. We
are doing a watch party Teran Nova, directed by LeVar Burton,
who did several of ours in the series. This is
the first one that he directs and written by What's Up.
(01:22):
Out of eight out of eight written by Antoinette Stella
story by Rick and Brannan and off we go. Wait
a minute, I am joined by my dear best friend
in Los Angeles and co host dominic keating.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
You haven't got any other friends?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
There's a six taranova and I forget what it's it's
got in in the in the lexicon of Star Trek.
It's one of like fifteen episodes that had a Latin name.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I think I read that somewhere oddly enough.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Oddly enough, this is Brannon's one of his least favorite episodes,
which I buy I would take umbradge at. Actually, I
really enjoyed watching it and I thought it the whole episode.
For those that have not seen it yet, watch it.
(02:24):
It's about a colony of humans that went out some
years before us.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I didn't know, but in the in this sort of.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Folklore of our storyline, there were a couple of other
colonies that went out, like there was New Berlin on
a lunar and then what was the other one that
I saw? Note registered, I'd love to look that up now.
But this is this is a group that went out
(02:55):
on the USS Gastanoga, yes and yes, and they arrive
on this planet that is habitable. Uh, and quite early on,
I think in their in their habitation, an asteroid hits
the planet and starts to you know, create havoc with
(03:16):
the radiation rain, and and what happened. The young or
the youngsters can survive that initial because the radiation isn't desperate,
but the the older settlers definitely succumb.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
They get radiation poisoning. They get radiation.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Poisoning, and so you're left with a Basically, it's kind
of like an if story, isn't it. A bunch of
kids looking after themselves and growing up and ultimately deciding
it's best to go underground to avoid the poison rain.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
And cover themselves in mud and being gutted. And they
and they cover themselves in mud.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Lovely some lovely performances Ericavari who is no stranger to
star Trek playing Jarmin I think his name is. And
then an older lady, Mary Carver, who plays his daughter, sorry.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
His mother, Yeah, Thedette, and she was.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Terrific too good. Anyway, I'm doing a lot of talking, but.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So we do they do have they mentioned at some
point it doesn't really go anywhere that that the that
the Vulcans had been involved in some way.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
M Yes, it was a very small reference to Yeah
there is at the beginning is like that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, that that the that the Balcans didn't help, and
that really isn't explored the ones.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
That in that messh Hale scene that you have with
in the in the Captain's dining room.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
No, it's it's mentioned by them in the cave.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
So anyw, it's a terrible distrust of humans in general
now amongst the survivors, and I think that any more
human interaction with them is going to cause nothing but mayhem.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And well, they don't seem to recognize what's a human
and what's not, and they don't they don't necessarily know
that they're human. No, there's a lot about the script
I liked.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I liked the sort of Pidgin English Terra Novan talk.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, that's retreat.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Everything, everything that they don't believe in is shale because
that's just worthless. And the overgrounds the gone befores. I
liked that a lot. That there are forefathers gutted by
the radiation, the elders were gutted, and there was a
(05:56):
lot about the script I liked a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
We went surprised at the reaction that you've heard it.
I'll say something about this episode because I don't really
remember it.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's not one of the episodes. No, you're not in
it that much. Was it was my days off. It
really is.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Holding pace with the absolute message of Star Trek.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I think so, yeah, it's our first opportunity to do that.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, because the lovely sort of full crumb point is,
you know, Captain Archer wants to just pack him up
and put them on the starship and take them back
to Earth where they can assimilate back to being humans
on planet Earth. And you know, a bit like sort
of taking Native Americans to England and expecting them in
the eighteenth century to sort of suddenly become you know,
(06:56):
English people. I mean, that's the message I took from
this episode.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Is that a thing? Huh? Is that a thing? Oh? Yeah,
I mean well, yeah, I mean yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I mean, put trying to assimilate Native Americans into America,
into American society. You know, they took them off the
boarding schools, the children, and trying to.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Eradicate a culture.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
There is a culture there with the Terranovans, and it
belongs to the ground.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I thought you meant, I think, are you are you
saying Southeast Asian Indians?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
You know, I'm not Native Americans, you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I did not know that they were talking about sending
them over to England in a similar anyway.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I mean, I've maybe using that euphemistically, but but yes,
I believe.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Some did come to England, wouldn't you surprise me?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
And we're and we're sort of you know, what's the
word wheeled around like you know, museum pieces exactly, And
we do know that, you know, the Americans were American
culture was very keen on, you know, and in Canada
on re educating the children in you know, these just
(08:09):
dreadful boarding schools.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Where the you know, the abuse was ghastly.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Taylor Sheridan's shows highlights that in which one is it?
It's nineteen twenty three, the one with Harrison Ford and.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Miss Hella Merron.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, And I know the actor that plays the head
of the boarding school, Sebastian Roche Is, he does a good,
mean person and he's the French priest that is tasked with,
you know, reintegrating these Native children, mostly girls, and it's
(08:52):
pretty gruesome. And I that's the message I took away,
and that we finally find the place at the end
where the radiation on the eye on the planet is
really negligible, if at all, we read locate them there
(09:12):
and they can also.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I also like the struggle that there's a good scene
between Scott and Joline about what to do with them.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, and that's the scene.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I like the question that are asked of this episode.
I thought it was a good episode of our show.
To be honest, I did too.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I mean, it was nice shooting on location in Solidad
Canyons where the outside shops were done.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
But something rosa Polarosa.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I'm pronouncing that wrong, but it's in Solidad Canyon up
the fourteen a bit and beautiful days, I remember. I
liked my I did a bit of stunt there. Did
you see me running down that hill after after Steve Blaylock.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
That was Steve blay.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I've never I've never seen somebody jump across a log
so efficiently style.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, good running. I was quite glad. I thought it
was good stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I could have I thought, huh, I just thought for
a moment, like, you know, how many times did you
have to run through that little pond?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
A few times, and it was hot. I don't know
if you notice that my hair was quite billy idle.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
No thought for a minute like wow, you know, because
you know we were hair track. It was all about
the hair, and I thought, wow, they let Dom do
his hair.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah, yeah, no, I got hot and quite sort of
sticky with the gel in I remember, but yeah, very
very fun. And then of course we come back to uh,
so that's Steve Blaylock, the stunt man was the was
the one of the novens that I was chasing who
we never really did we ever get to the bottom
(11:01):
of whether he was related to Joelene.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I don't think he was.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I got a fun no, okay, I had a funny,
fucking remember funny remembrance that he might have. They might
have found out that they were they were cousins or something.
But maybe I don't know. I'm I'm i'd have to
I'd have to find that. He was such a lovely guy.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
He was a fantastic guy. Joline's story is long and complicated,
so a little bit. Yeah, I mean, we never quite
knew where she.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I think she came from the Midwest originally and uh
and then ended up in San Diego was quite a
young girl and was sort of taken him by another
family and I think she started a modeling career there.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Anyway, we transgress.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Uh and then I you know, as soon as we
crawl into the cave, suddenly we're on on stage nine
Planet Hell.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
That was really done.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, very well done, I got to say. And those
caves were fantastic and and you know, and and much
used through our series. They come back again and again
and again and again, but they were great.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Zimmerman for his consistent work on our shore and John
Eves who sort of.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
What's the word dumped it all up as it were
on pen and paper, and then Jimmy Maes who dressed
it all he does, he did a great job.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
He's he's passed, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And but yeah, crawling through those those dusty with that
full of earth and I always remember that full as
that used to get everywhere.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Man, you shower and that's blow your nose and they
get there. But they were great.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
And uh, yeah, I get shot by a projectile, which
is an old some sort of old gun, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Well I think it was a gun. Yeah, it was
a gun.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And I'm left as as a sort of you know,
tip for tat hostage so that they can persuade jarm
In and the Debt to go up to the ship
because it transpires that she is now dying of lung cancer,
being so old that finally the radiation has got to I.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Love that bit.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
And doctor Flex's was, of course, that's easily cured these days.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I know.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I'm like a couple of And you did mention in
In in your scene.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
You were like, is that a one? Or yes?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
That's right, and he of course doesn't answer you and
then gives you Diamy's chicken.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Dorothy's Dorothy's chicken, so I had to pretend it's awful.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I like the fact that they basically live on those
sort of armadillos that doak tunnel through the ground diggers
ecor them. I loved all that language, and I have
to say that the overside the underside, uh yeah, that's
all sh shale.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
What else? Uh? I think that? Uh?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You know, I I thought it was interesting. I always
found our episodes the most interesting episodes that we ever
did was when we struggled with something and the captain
was struggling mightily with one.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Wanting to do the.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Mission he set out to do, and then to have
a conflict about one you're injured and you're stuck in
a cave, and two about the ability to hate to
help someone who would apparently at the moment, doesn't want
your help because they think.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
You're an enemy. M Yeah, I think that's I think
there's a lot of uh, you know, ground to cover
on that.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yeah, a lot of drama, a load of agreed And
Eric Avar is such a lovely actor, isn't he. He's
he played it beautiful insteaded Mary Carver as the mother.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, they were wonderful, poor things. I kept wondering, you know,
when did they get into hair and makeup?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Really, I mean they had a lot of burning man
mud applied to.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Them, yellow and blue lines on their faces, and they
looked great.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
And LaVar's shots are fantastic, very impressive. That well, that
when the shuttle pod comes back and is sunk in
a sinkhole and goes down eighty meters and obviously whatever
was underneath goes down with it, and one of the
an oven's i think it's Akari, is caught underneathneath a
(15:36):
tree trunk. Towards the end of the episode, and we
have to Scott decides to help jarm In rescue him
and some good stuff. I know, Vince Dedric that was
the first time he licked his lips as the stunt coordinator.
Yeah right, Oh, we got, we got because they built
quite a sinkhole. I mean it was you know, it's
(15:57):
got to be thirty feet.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Now you know that that that scene was basically lifted
from sometimes a great notion, the Ken Kesey novel with
and the movie has Henry Fonda, Paul Newman, and there's
the scene with Paul Newman where he's trapped under a
log and his brother in law has to help him breathe.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
That's right. I remember that.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
The tide comes up and then they start laughing at
the fact that there are two guys kissing each.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Other and Paul Newton drowns. Yeah right, yeah, who wouldn't
kiss Paul Newman? Really? I mean yeah, but I watched
that and I was like, oh, I see there's a
nod there. Yeah all right, And you know I had
not I didn't see that. Uh.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
And then the trust factor with jarm and giving the
face pistol back to Captain Archer so that they can
cut the tree trunk in half with the face pistol, and.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It reminded me of a story.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
It's it's it's the reason my father wound up leaving
the Walla Walla State Penitentiary as a counselor. There'd been
a uh, there's been a what do you call it
when the prison goes into disarray and insurrection?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, we'll call it that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
And some of the prisoners had gotten up to a
watchtower and my father, being my father, climbed up and
and but to get into the watch tower he had
to have the help and be given a hand by
the lead guy of the insurrection and had to trust
him to pull him into the watch tower so they
could start.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
He could help stop this.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Insurrect, negotiate the neg yeah, come down, wow yeah, and
the answer the hand out.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
And he had to have this guy's hand to help
him get up there to talk to them.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
And if he'd let him go, he might have fallen
back into gardens.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Well I would have died, probably. And my mother heard
that story and was like, you can't do this anymore?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Is that really? He sort of quit the job after that,
did he? Yeah? I think shortly, So I was like, no,
you no, No, this isn't a place for you. You're
going to get yourself hurt. That reminds me.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I did the first of a trilogy of plays about
the privatization of British prisons under Margaret Thatcher, and we
were doing it in Manchester at the Library Theater and
we were slated to go into Strange Ways, which is
the big prison up there. It's quite well known sort
of you know, British famous as it were, to do
(18:36):
a research day with some inmates and do some scenes
in front of them to get a sense of whether
we were, you know, being authentic. Anyway, two three days
before we were going to go in there and do this,
Strange Ways erupted and there was a big insurrection and
they were all up on the roofs and I'll never
forget this. On the news, the mother of one of
(18:59):
them was called in with a bullhorn or something to
try and you know, get her son to come off
the roof.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Just remember this guy shouting down. But I'm the ringleader. Mom.
She goes on the bull and she goes, what is
it that just like you ball? That's the true story.
I love that. H We digress a bit.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Uh, yes, so I've got a bullet in my leg,
and I'm being very stoic about it.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
You are, I am. I have to say, LaVar shot
me a couple of times, I might, Oh, I look rong, handsome,
because you can't. You can't get me at the wrong angle.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Sometimes all of us, all of us, you know, some
people are they're just you know, there's not an angle
that can be shut out.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
They don't know, gorgeous. But yeah, for the most part,
I was like, oh, yeah, he's the dude.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
And yeah, I really I really liked Levar's direction, at
least I had that experience with him.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
He did.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
He directed several episodes that the storyline was heavy on
trip and I always thought that LeVar was such a
good director for actors in this sense of like, what
do you want to do and we can do it, but.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Let's talk about it. M m. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
He always had he always had something to say that
that elevated the scene in a way that at least
I never recognized. And yeah, you know he He and
Marvin I think had a very good relationship in terms
of director and director of photography.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You know, he you know, uncle Marvin, you know, what
do you think?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And and Marvin when he when Marvin was engaged in
a scene and as opposed to and this is no
knock on Mike Vehar, Mike Vayar knew every single shot
that he was going to do, and it would lead.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
All week for Marvin, you know, just being set up
a camera and you know you'd have LA times, Yeah,
the pince nee would come on in the LA times
and strangely it would take Billy hours to light something right.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
But you know, when when Marvin was working with LeVar
in particular, also Alan.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Croker, I think a lot of I think a lot of.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Directors who were uh interested in the collaborative element of this.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
You know, he he was.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Such a good director photography and when he was engaged
he was he was quite good. So this episode is
to my mind, it's really seamless in terms of how
it shot and the tone of what's going on. And
that was a symbiosis I think with with Marvin and LeVar.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I think we've covered this a little bit too.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Uh. When I sat in the edit suite learning how
to sort of a piece it together, I'm trying to
think of the head guy. JP Farrell said, particularly of LeVar,
he would give. He would only give you what he
knew you could piece together the way he wanted it
piece together.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
He wouldn't, you wouldn't get the other shots.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
And so there was no option for you but but
to shoot it pretty much the way he storyboarded it,
either in his head or in his book. And he
said he was quite and he said he looked at
me and said he's quite crafty like that.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
And it's it's the episode we we it's the first
time we get to see a fair amount of Anthony.
And yes, Mayweather feels about his role and the opportunity
at the end of the episode, obviously to write the
report for the start. And I don't know how many
times Anthony was ever in the captain's mess.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Room, no one of I don't think. I don't think
I ever made them at the captain's dining room. I
can't think of a time that I did. I used
to get jealous watching the show and go when you
guys were all in there, I was like, you know,
I think it's a lieutenant. Yeah, I made the Brig
(23:23):
thirty one's coming on this weekend. I've got a funny
feeling that who was the guy that was my he
was love it.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Eric.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
He was my you know, handler in our version of
LeVar directed that one too. I think he might be
in it. I'm not sure. It's Michelle Yo And well I.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Was talking to Liz Krakowski, Yeah, in San Francisco and apparent.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
But I was talking to her about Section thirty one,
the Now movie of the Week. It was intended to be.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
It was going to be a series and then they
just they curtailed it to a movie.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, there are some apparently there are several easter eggs
for enterprise.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Well, there should be absolutely another young man who brought
the idea to them, and I think he ended up
helped being part of the writer room. And he's also
involved in that new Sherlock Holmes Watson, which really was
actually one of the writers on Yeah. I mean I
(24:33):
remember having dinner with him and his wife. This is
you know, it's before the pandemic, so it's a long
time ago. I met her doing a podcast with this
body of mine, Sandra Manetti, who was doing the ten
Best and he did the ten Best Batmans, the ten
and so this was the ten the Best Captains on
Star Trek and I got interviewed for that, and Ashley
(24:54):
was the oracle about all things Star Trek. There was
nothing this girl didn't know about Star Trek. And that's
when she she told me that her husband was involved
in this bringing section thirty one to the screen maybe
as a series, would I be interested? And I'm like sure, anyway, huh,
what's that done? Jason Inman, that's his name, Jason Inman? Hi, Jason,
(25:18):
I've got I've got a prompt And anyway, my name
got brought up and shut down summarily like it really yeah, apparently.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, that's too bad. I mean, and it'll look I
heard listen. I hope section thirty one is great. I
have not heard good reviews of it. Well, I don't
know if you heard the NPR, you know they do
their what is it?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I missed it? And actually no, but was that today? No?
It was last week? Was it last week? They didn't?
What did they say of it? Well, so many teaching
wasn't and it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Where's the general detection to dominic completely miss without dominic keysing.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
They basically said that it lacks the ethos of what
Star Trek is, and that's been that's been a criticism
for a number of the shows that have.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Come here late. And uh, you know, I wonder, I
wonder about this. Yeah, what do you think? I mean? See,
here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I mean, Star Trek, I mean a bit like n
p R, a bit like caseyr W. I have noticed
the shift in the years I've been listening. I'm not
their target audience anymore. They've got me. They're looking for
the younger you know.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Generations.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I mean, you know, you take, you take the original series,
and then you and then you give next generation there
and there's a there's a level of growth, I guess
two or a consistency to what the message of Gene
Roddenberry was. And then you know, you continued on with
d S nine and Voyager, which I think had sort
(27:03):
of you know, they were kind of going on around
the same time, not exclusively, but.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Uh and then and then our show comes.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Around as the prequel to all of this, and you know,
we're still there's still a legacy of sort of the
you know, Roddenberry ethos being like you know, in lights
on a wall about how you're supposed to make our
show and then what we take there's a what at
(27:35):
least in television.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
There's a good nine year it's eight years, isn't it?
Eight years? Discovery?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, you know, and then you know, you have you
have jj Abrams putting out those movies, and those movies
are very different from the ones.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
That were you know, Star Trek one through five or six.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Oh of these twelve apparently, so I'm gone being sorry sorry,
twelve years twelve years.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I thought it was twelve years. And I and I
think that I think that Star Trek.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Fans hold dearly this ethos, and maybe rightly so.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
But you know, there's other ways to tell a.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Story, and there's other there's you know, we've got elements
of start. Section thirty one is an element of Star Trek.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It is a particular thing, and.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
It's not it's not exactly, and it's not Star Trek
in its encompassment.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
It's not it. It's like it's like separate, it's like
time travel. Yeah, yeah, there you got. That's not a
bad analogy.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
It's almost as though doctor who showed up and was
like open this door.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Right, So I don't know, I mean, I I I
will watch it for.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Its own merit and and hopefully hopefully it's good.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, Okay, I'll love a look at it. Isn't this
something else too? No, that's it.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
And I'm thinking of the Watson thing that Sir Jason's
done as well, which I'm quite interested in. Having interviewed
Nick Mayer just now, I'm rather interested to see that too.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So is he part of it?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Well, I know, no he's not, but he's a huge
Sherlock Holmes fan. So you know, I got more of
a you know, I've never really read Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I didn't read him as a child.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I have the I have the complete works in my
shelf that has gathered dust for fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
But I'm curious to you know, dive into it. Yeah,
I have to say.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I mean I having read Nick's new offering under the
title of I was like wow. And then I went
off and read the zimmer and Tell Graham by your
lady Barbara Tupman, And I've got Guns of August and
the the the Power.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Tower is it power Tower?
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Was it Proud Tower? And I'll do a swap. You're
gonna have the Zimmerman Telegram and.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I'll read the the Crusades ones.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You'll have you got through that yet? The Bible and
the Sword. No, I'm almost done. I will say The
Guns of August is her opus? Is it right?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Those of you who are watching, if you've never read
Barbara Tuckman, she is a writer of history.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
The sixties.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I wasn't aware of that. I didn't realize that. Yeah,
she was writing quite soon after, you know, certainly, well,
she wrote Rise about the First World War, so it's
not soon.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I'm thinking of the second. Does she do any Second
World War stuff? The first is a real thing, isn't it.
I think it is. No.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I even I think that maybe The Bible and the
Sword is her first book. Uh. I could be wrong
about that, but it's very early in her career. I
don't recall that she has a book about World War Two.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
No, I think she's a she's an fsionardo for the
first there's a telegram that you have read that.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
There's that, and then there's that. There's the one about
the relationship with China.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
All right, I'd like to moms. Has she Yeah? I
mean they're dense. The Zimmerman is definitely there's a lot
of names. You've got to keep a handle on.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Jesus.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I mean, yeah, you look at the Bible and the sword,
and you're thinking, man, I should have read the Bible,
you know.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I mean, it's always as a marrits of a good
book when you're constantly reaching for the phone, and God
bless that we've got them and Wikipedia this name, that name,
and and you. It's amazing how many very informative rabbit
holes one goes down if you are prepared to spend
that time to do it rather than just gloss over
and going out.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Well, I don't really I had spent at different times
a good half a day.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
On Wikipedia. Right there, you going from place to place
to place.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
It's good, isn't it. I mean, I have to say
it's it's very education. We're very fortunate to have it.
We should I don't know if you do, but donate
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Speaker 1 (32:42):
Your help to do that.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
That said, let's go back to tearing over so apparently
Stella Antoinette Seller she didn't make it past the first
half of the first season, so Brandon must have disliked
this script so much, which I thought was is rather unfair.
I thought the script was great, and I don't speak.
(33:08):
I thought it was it was.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
It wasn't hokey. It was credible.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
And uh, if anything poetic, I thought uh.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
And I thought the performance was lovely.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I love that scene where Archer finds the old photograph
of the original settlers and there's Bernadette, who's now called
Nadette in her mother's arms vera fuller and uh, and
the dawning of the realization on Bernadette's older face that
she is that.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Little human girl.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yes, really, Yeah, it's a it's a poignant moving moment
in the in the episode, and yeah, I really we.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Also we also get to see, uh, somewhat for the
first time. John Billingsley's doctor Flox flashed out a little bit. Yeah,
he's such a good actor. And to see his choices
and sort of nuances, and you know when he's walking
(34:10):
in with that medical kit, and and to get that
medical kit back and to be able to help you,
to help to help Malcolm.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
You know, they sure got the right guy for that.
They did.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
There was one other guy I know they were very
interested in, and he's quite well known.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
He went on to do that's at our time. I
remember meeting him in the hallway.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
When I went for one of my first auditions and
I'm struggling to think what his name would be.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
He ended up you'd know his face immediately.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
He's just one of those guys that's you know, gone
from serious to series. Good voice, good character actor, and yeah,
I wonder how gutted he but he went on to
do he got he like he got a top net
work show.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Shortly after we got a UPN network. He's wound up
on Last or something, and he.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Wound up on I want to say west Wing, but
it wasn't west Wing. It was it might have been
one of the early n C I S's or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, yeah, he's.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
One of those you know, there's there's about half a
dozen of those guys to code of sellers who it
really is, And yeah, I remember him being he was
up for Flocks. He would have been a good Flocks.
But so John's got a sensibility about him, a humanity
if you will, and it's shown out in his real
(35:40):
life with his work at the Hollywood Food Coalition.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
There's a Flocks also has a great sense of curiosity
that John brought to the.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yes, indeed, and funnily enough, it's the this is the
first time we hear the word nobulum.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
He's he he yes it is. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I looked at I was, I'll do some reading and yeah,
it's the first time we hear that. He identifies himself
as a denobulum and yeah, and we all went well then.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I mean again, ultimately I was happy with you. But
believe me, there are episodes in season one that I
thought were just clunkers. I didn't think this was one
of them.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
No, me neither. I was quite surprised to read. I
think if Brannon brought it up when we did the
ten year reunion at CBS for the Blu ray, yeah,
it goes down as one of the like, you know,
top five clunkers in his mind's eye. Anyway, I don't
know i'd argue in court against that.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
I would too, there's another five I could probably pick
pretty easily that this is better than.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, agreed, Are we missing anything? What do you think? Uh?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I liked that we got to see uh, a bit
of Mayweather and how he felt about his role, you know,
in the in the what is it even in the
teaser he's talking about is it the teaser or very
one of the first scenes after the teaser where he's
talking about how enthralled he is with his story. It's
(37:25):
it's it's you know, it's it's almost like, you know,
the sort of lore that we have with.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
The other animals of human mystery stories like rare hearts
and uh, one of the other ones they bring up
and as.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
You mentioned, I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I don't know what that one was, but you know,
there's there's all these mystery stories and you know, the
untold story about what happened, uh, that this is one
of them, and and his his interest in it, and
and I think that when Archer gives him the opportunity
to to write the report up for stuf our Fleet,
(38:00):
I thought that was a nice tie you a nice
bow at the end.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Very much, very much. So.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah, But I think that the whole, the major tenet
of the pieces is that you know, we do help
them out.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
And we we we.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Do maintain the first directive, if you will and any
idea that we could just you know, hijack these people
for their better good and plump them down, you know,
back on Earth is And it's to Paul as you say,
who says.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
You know, you can't just do that.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
They have a culture now that is to be you know, protected,
and we can do that on the other.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Side of the planet. So yeah, I like that. I
thought it was a good message. I don't know why
he was so ugy about.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
It, but all in all, I thought it was a
good Now we're it's the fifth or sixth, sixth think,
I think officially, Yeah, you know, I feel like we
we came out of the gate pretty strong.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
No, indeed, I will say that.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
You know, if you're to watch an episode side by
side with an episode in season four, you know I
can see us all working.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yeah, yeah, indeed, yeah, yeah, good cohesion and.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, I mean I mean, I really, I mean we
we we really took to it like fish to water.
I mean, uh yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
And we've often said this about it's working on Star Trek.
You need to be somewhat classically trained to sell it.
It's it's it's you're selling a Shakespearean world in space.
Elevated and yeah, and then learning how to do that
in front of a little black box rather than to
a you know, a proscenium marched with seven hundred people in.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
It, right, And and you know, as we learned as
we went along, one's a bill need to make that
their own. Yeah, and and that that took a little time.
I mean I found myself, you know, over acting a
little bit in hindsight, and yeah, me too, you know,
(40:16):
but I did love that scene where you were asking
about going to the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, what was I saying? And then I'll get turned down,
don't well shuck it up?
Speaker 3 (40:34):
But overall, no, I know agree, I mean, I mean,
you know, actors, you know, we sometimes you know, when
it says, you know, he's got a broken leg, and
all you do is play the broken leg. That's actually
not the interesting part of the scene.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
And you have to sort of play the broken leg
a bit like in England we call it the smike
part in uh is it Nicholas Nickleby, he's got the
limp and he's the cripple and you know you can
overplay the crip, you can overplay the limp and.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Well, you know, it's also like playing drunk. You can't
play drunk. You have to play that you're trying not
to be drunk.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Not to be drunk, which I think we did very
well in a coming in an episode, coming up.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Screen near you.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Well, this has been very interesting, good walk down the lane,
and I think looking forward to the next one.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
What is the next one? Oh and the Dorian incident
one of the one of the best. Yeah, we meet
Jeff Combs for the first time.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I meet Jeff Combs for the first time. Yeah, well
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Speaker 1 (00:52):
It's the con.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Hey there, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, trekkies and trekkers,
Welcome back to another episode of the dcon Chamber. We
are doing a watch party Teran Nova, directed by LeVar Burton,
who did several of ours in the series. This is
the first one that he directs and written by What's Up.
(01:22):
Out of eight out of eight written by Antoinette Stella
story by Rick and Brannan and off we go. Wait
a minute, I am joined by my dear best friend
in Los Angeles and co host dominic keating.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
You haven't got any other friends?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
There's a six taranova and I forget what it's it's
got in in the in the lexicon of Star Trek.
It's one of like fifteen episodes that had a Latin name.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I think I read that somewhere oddly enough.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Oddly enough, this is Brannon's one of his least favorite episodes,
which I buy I would take umbradge at. Actually, I
really enjoyed watching it and I thought it the whole episode.
For those that have not seen it yet, watch it.
(02:24):
It's about a colony of humans that went out some
years before us.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I didn't know, but in the in this sort of.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Folklore of our storyline, there were a couple of other
colonies that went out, like there was New Berlin on
a lunar and then what was the other one that
I saw? Note registered, I'd love to look that up now.
But this is this is a group that went out
(02:55):
on the USS Gastanoga, yes and yes, and they arrive
on this planet that is habitable. Uh, and quite early on,
I think in their in their habitation, an asteroid hits
the planet and starts to you know, create havoc with
(03:16):
the radiation rain, and and what happened. The young or
the youngsters can survive that initial because the radiation isn't desperate,
but the the older settlers definitely succumb.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
They get radiation poisoning. They get radiation.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Poisoning, and so you're left with a Basically, it's kind
of like an if story, isn't it. A bunch of
kids looking after themselves and growing up and ultimately deciding
it's best to go underground to avoid the poison rain.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
And cover themselves in mud and being gutted. And they
and they cover themselves in mud.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Lovely some lovely performances Ericavari who is no stranger to
star Trek playing Jarmin I think his name is. And
then an older lady, Mary Carver, who plays his daughter, sorry.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
His mother, Yeah, Thedette, and she was.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Terrific too good. Anyway, I'm doing a lot of talking, but.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So we do they do have they mentioned at some
point it doesn't really go anywhere that that the that
the Vulcans had been involved in some way.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
M Yes, it was a very small reference to Yeah
there is at the beginning is like that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, that that the that the Balcans didn't help, and
that really isn't explored the ones.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
That in that messh Hale scene that you have with
in the in the Captain's dining room.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
No, it's it's mentioned by them in the cave.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
So anyw, it's a terrible distrust of humans in general
now amongst the survivors, and I think that any more
human interaction with them is going to cause nothing but mayhem.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And well, they don't seem to recognize what's a human
and what's not, and they don't they don't necessarily know
that they're human. No, there's a lot about the script
I liked.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I liked the sort of Pidgin English Terra Novan talk.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, that's retreat.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Everything, everything that they don't believe in is shale because
that's just worthless. And the overgrounds the gone befores. I
liked that a lot. That there are forefathers gutted by
the radiation, the elders were gutted, and there was a
(05:56):
lot about the script I liked a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
We went surprised at the reaction that you've heard it.
I'll say something about this episode because I don't really
remember it.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's not one of the episodes. No, you're not in
it that much. Was it was my days off. It
really is.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Holding pace with the absolute message of Star Trek.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I think so, yeah, it's our first opportunity to do that.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, because the lovely sort of full crumb point is,
you know, Captain Archer wants to just pack him up
and put them on the starship and take them back
to Earth where they can assimilate back to being humans
on planet Earth. And you know, a bit like sort
of taking Native Americans to England and expecting them in
the eighteenth century to sort of suddenly become you know,
(06:56):
English people. I mean, that's the message I took from
this episode.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Is that a thing? Huh? Is that a thing? Oh? Yeah,
I mean well, yeah, I mean yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I mean, put trying to assimilate Native Americans into America,
into American society. You know, they took them off the
boarding schools, the children, and trying to.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Eradicate a culture.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
There is a culture there with the Terranovans, and it
belongs to the ground.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I thought you meant, I think, are you are you
saying Southeast Asian Indians?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
You know, I'm not Native Americans, you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I did not know that they were talking about sending
them over to England in a similar anyway.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I mean, I've maybe using that euphemistically, but but yes,
I believe.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Some did come to England, wouldn't you surprise me?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
And we're and we're sort of you know, what's the
word wheeled around like you know, museum pieces exactly, And
we do know that, you know, the Americans were American
culture was very keen on, you know, and in Canada
on re educating the children in you know, these just
(08:09):
dreadful boarding schools.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Where the you know, the abuse was ghastly.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Taylor Sheridan's shows highlights that in which one is it?
It's nineteen twenty three, the one with Harrison Ford and.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Miss Hella Merron.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, And I know the actor that plays the head
of the boarding school, Sebastian Roche Is, he does a good,
mean person and he's the French priest that is tasked with,
you know, reintegrating these Native children, mostly girls, and it's
(08:52):
pretty gruesome. And I that's the message I took away,
and that we finally find the place at the end
where the radiation on the eye on the planet is
really negligible, if at all, we read locate them there
(09:12):
and they can also.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I also like the struggle that there's a good scene
between Scott and Joline about what to do with them.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, and that's the scene.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I like the question that are asked of this episode.
I thought it was a good episode of our show.
To be honest, I did too.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I mean, it was nice shooting on location in Solidad
Canyons where the outside shops were done.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
But something rosa Polarosa.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I'm pronouncing that wrong, but it's in Solidad Canyon up
the fourteen a bit and beautiful days, I remember. I
liked my I did a bit of stunt there. Did
you see me running down that hill after after Steve Blaylock.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
That was Steve blay.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I've never I've never seen somebody jump across a log
so efficiently style.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, good running. I was quite glad. I thought it
was good stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I could have I thought, huh, I just thought for
a moment, like, you know, how many times did you
have to run through that little pond?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
A few times, and it was hot. I don't know
if you notice that my hair was quite billy idle.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
No thought for a minute like wow, you know, because
you know we were hair track. It was all about
the hair, and I thought, wow, they let Dom do
his hair.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah, yeah, no, I got hot and quite sort of
sticky with the gel in I remember, but yeah, very
very fun. And then of course we come back to uh,
so that's Steve Blaylock, the stunt man was the was
the one of the novens that I was chasing who
we never really did we ever get to the bottom
(11:01):
of whether he was related to Joelene.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I don't think he was.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I got a fun no, okay, I had a funny,
fucking remember funny remembrance that he might have. They might
have found out that they were they were cousins or something.
But maybe I don't know. I'm I'm i'd have to
I'd have to find that. He was such a lovely guy.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
He was a fantastic guy. Joline's story is long and complicated,
so a little bit. Yeah, I mean, we never quite
knew where she.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I think she came from the Midwest originally and uh
and then ended up in San Diego was quite a
young girl and was sort of taken him by another
family and I think she started a modeling career there.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Anyway, we transgress.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Uh and then I you know, as soon as we
crawl into the cave, suddenly we're on on stage nine
Planet Hell.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
That was really done.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, very well done, I got to say. And those
caves were fantastic and and you know, and and much
used through our series. They come back again and again
and again and again, but they were great.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Zimmerman for his consistent work on our shore and John
Eves who sort of.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
What's the word dumped it all up as it were
on pen and paper, and then Jimmy Maes who dressed
it all he does, he did a great job.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
He's he's passed, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And but yeah, crawling through those those dusty with that
full of earth and I always remember that full as
that used to get everywhere.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Man, you shower and that's blow your nose and they
get there. But they were great.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
And uh, yeah, I get shot by a projectile, which
is an old some sort of old gun, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Well I think it was a gun. Yeah, it was
a gun.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And I'm left as as a sort of you know,
tip for tat hostage so that they can persuade jarm
In and the Debt to go up to the ship
because it transpires that she is now dying of lung cancer,
being so old that finally the radiation has got to I.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Love that bit.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
And doctor Flex's was, of course, that's easily cured these days.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I know.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I'm like a couple of And you did mention in
In in your scene.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
You were like, is that a one? Or yes?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
That's right, and he of course doesn't answer you and
then gives you Diamy's chicken.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Dorothy's Dorothy's chicken, so I had to pretend it's awful.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I like the fact that they basically live on those
sort of armadillos that doak tunnel through the ground diggers
ecor them. I loved all that language, and I have
to say that the overside the underside, uh yeah, that's
all sh shale.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
What else? Uh? I think that? Uh?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You know, I I thought it was interesting. I always
found our episodes the most interesting episodes that we ever
did was when we struggled with something and the captain
was struggling mightily with one.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Wanting to do the.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Mission he set out to do, and then to have
a conflict about one you're injured and you're stuck in
a cave, and two about the ability to hate to
help someone who would apparently at the moment, doesn't want
your help because they think.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
You're an enemy. M Yeah, I think that's I think
there's a lot of uh, you know, ground to cover
on that.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yeah, a lot of drama, a load of agreed And
Eric Avar is such a lovely actor, isn't he. He's
he played it beautiful insteaded Mary Carver as the mother.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, they were wonderful, poor things. I kept wondering, you know,
when did they get into hair and makeup?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Really, I mean they had a lot of burning man
mud applied to.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Them, yellow and blue lines on their faces, and they
looked great.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
And LaVar's shots are fantastic, very impressive. That well, that
when the shuttle pod comes back and is sunk in
a sinkhole and goes down eighty meters and obviously whatever
was underneath goes down with it, and one of the
an oven's i think it's Akari, is caught underneathneath a
(15:36):
tree trunk. Towards the end of the episode, and we
have to Scott decides to help jarm In rescue him
and some good stuff. I know, Vince Dedric that was
the first time he licked his lips as the stunt coordinator.
Yeah right, Oh, we got, we got because they built
quite a sinkhole. I mean it was you know, it's
(15:57):
got to be thirty feet.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Now you know that that that scene was basically lifted
from sometimes a great notion, the Ken Kesey novel with
and the movie has Henry Fonda, Paul Newman, and there's
the scene with Paul Newman where he's trapped under a
log and his brother in law has to help him breathe.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
That's right. I remember that.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
The tide comes up and then they start laughing at
the fact that there are two guys kissing each.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Other and Paul Newton drowns. Yeah right, yeah, who wouldn't
kiss Paul Newman? Really? I mean yeah, but I watched
that and I was like, oh, I see there's a
nod there. Yeah all right, And you know I had
not I didn't see that. Uh.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
And then the trust factor with jarm and giving the
face pistol back to Captain Archer so that they can
cut the tree trunk in half with the face pistol, and.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It reminded me of a story.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
It's it's it's the reason my father wound up leaving
the Walla Walla State Penitentiary as a counselor. There'd been
a uh, there's been a what do you call it
when the prison goes into disarray and insurrection?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, we'll call it that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
And some of the prisoners had gotten up to a
watchtower and my father, being my father, climbed up and
and but to get into the watch tower he had
to have the help and be given a hand by
the lead guy of the insurrection and had to trust
him to pull him into the watch tower so they
could start.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
He could help stop this.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Insurrect, negotiate the neg yeah, come down, wow yeah, and
the answer the hand out.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
And he had to have this guy's hand to help
him get up there to talk to them.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
And if he'd let him go, he might have fallen
back into gardens.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Well I would have died, probably. And my mother heard
that story and was like, you can't do this anymore?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Is that really? He sort of quit the job after that,
did he? Yeah? I think shortly, So I was like, no,
you no, No, this isn't a place for you. You're
going to get yourself hurt. That reminds me.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I did the first of a trilogy of plays about
the privatization of British prisons under Margaret Thatcher, and we
were doing it in Manchester at the Library Theater and
we were slated to go into Strange Ways, which is
the big prison up there. It's quite well known sort
of you know, British famous as it were, to do
(18:36):
a research day with some inmates and do some scenes
in front of them to get a sense of whether
we were, you know, being authentic. Anyway, two three days
before we were going to go in there and do this,
Strange Ways erupted and there was a big insurrection and
they were all up on the roofs and I'll never
forget this. On the news, the mother of one of
(18:59):
them was called in with a bullhorn or something to
try and you know, get her son to come off
the roof.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Just remember this guy shouting down. But I'm the ringleader. Mom.
She goes on the bull and she goes, what is
it that just like you ball? That's the true story.
I love that. H We digress a bit.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Uh, yes, so I've got a bullet in my leg,
and I'm being very stoic about it.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
You are, I am. I have to say, LaVar shot
me a couple of times, I might, Oh, I look rong, handsome,
because you can't. You can't get me at the wrong angle.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Sometimes all of us, all of us, you know, some
people are they're just you know, there's not an angle
that can be shut out.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
They don't know, gorgeous. But yeah, for the most part,
I was like, oh, yeah, he's the dude.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
And yeah, I really I really liked Levar's direction, at
least I had that experience with him.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
He did.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
He directed several episodes that the storyline was heavy on
trip and I always thought that LeVar was such a
good director for actors in this sense of like, what
do you want to do and we can do it, but.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Let's talk about it. M m. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
He always had he always had something to say that
that elevated the scene in a way that at least
I never recognized. And yeah, you know he He and
Marvin I think had a very good relationship in terms
of director and director of photography.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You know, he you know, uncle Marvin, you know, what
do you think?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And and Marvin when he when Marvin was engaged in
a scene and as opposed to and this is no
knock on Mike Vehar, Mike Vayar knew every single shot
that he was going to do, and it would lead.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
All week for Marvin, you know, just being set up
a camera and you know you'd have LA times, Yeah,
the pince nee would come on in the LA times
and strangely it would take Billy hours to light something right.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
But you know, when when Marvin was working with LeVar
in particular, also Alan.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Croker, I think a lot of I think a lot of.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Directors who were uh interested in the collaborative element of this.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
You know, he he was.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Such a good director photography and when he was engaged
he was he was quite good. So this episode is
to my mind, it's really seamless in terms of how
it shot and the tone of what's going on. And
that was a symbiosis I think with with Marvin and LeVar.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I think we've covered this a little bit too.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Uh. When I sat in the edit suite learning how
to sort of a piece it together, I'm trying to
think of the head guy. JP Farrell said, particularly of LeVar,
he would give. He would only give you what he
knew you could piece together the way he wanted it
piece together.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
He wouldn't, you wouldn't get the other shots.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
And so there was no option for you but but
to shoot it pretty much the way he storyboarded it,
either in his head or in his book. And he
said he was quite and he said he looked at
me and said he's quite crafty like that.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
And it's it's the episode we we it's the first
time we get to see a fair amount of Anthony.
And yes, Mayweather feels about his role and the opportunity
at the end of the episode, obviously to write the
report for the start. And I don't know how many
times Anthony was ever in the captain's mess.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Room, no one of I don't think. I don't think
I ever made them at the captain's dining room. I
can't think of a time that I did. I used
to get jealous watching the show and go when you
guys were all in there, I was like, you know,
I think it's a lieutenant. Yeah, I made the Brig
(23:23):
thirty one's coming on this weekend. I've got a funny
feeling that who was the guy that was my he
was love it.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Eric.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
He was my you know, handler in our version of
LeVar directed that one too. I think he might be
in it. I'm not sure. It's Michelle Yo And well I.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Was talking to Liz Krakowski, Yeah, in San Francisco and apparent.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
But I was talking to her about Section thirty one,
the Now movie of the Week. It was intended to be.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
It was going to be a series and then they
just they curtailed it to a movie.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, there are some apparently there are several easter eggs
for enterprise.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Well, there should be absolutely another young man who brought
the idea to them, and I think he ended up
helped being part of the writer room. And he's also
involved in that new Sherlock Holmes Watson, which really was
actually one of the writers on Yeah. I mean I
(24:33):
remember having dinner with him and his wife. This is
you know, it's before the pandemic, so it's a long
time ago. I met her doing a podcast with this
body of mine, Sandra Manetti, who was doing the ten
Best and he did the ten Best Batmans, the ten
and so this was the ten the Best Captains on
Star Trek and I got interviewed for that, and Ashley
(24:54):
was the oracle about all things Star Trek. There was
nothing this girl didn't know about Star Trek. And that's
when she she told me that her husband was involved
in this bringing section thirty one to the screen maybe
as a series, would I be interested? And I'm like sure, anyway, huh,
what's that done? Jason Inman, that's his name, Jason Inman? Hi, Jason,
(25:18):
I've got I've got a prompt And anyway, my name
got brought up and shut down summarily like it really yeah, apparently.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, that's too bad. I mean, and it'll look I
heard listen. I hope section thirty one is great. I
have not heard good reviews of it. Well, I don't
know if you heard the NPR, you know they do
their what is it?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I missed it? And actually no, but was that today? No?
It was last week? Was it last week? They didn't?
What did they say of it? Well, so many teaching
wasn't and it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Where's the general detection to dominic completely miss without dominic keysing.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
They basically said that it lacks the ethos of what
Star Trek is, and that's been that's been a criticism
for a number of the shows that have.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Come here late. And uh, you know, I wonder, I
wonder about this. Yeah, what do you think? I mean? See,
here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I mean, Star Trek, I mean a bit like n
p R, a bit like caseyr W. I have noticed
the shift in the years I've been listening. I'm not
their target audience anymore. They've got me. They're looking for
the younger you know.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Generations.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I mean, you know, you take, you take the original series,
and then you and then you give next generation there
and there's a there's a level of growth, I guess
two or a consistency to what the message of Gene
Roddenberry was. And then you know, you continued on with
d S nine and Voyager, which I think had sort
(27:03):
of you know, they were kind of going on around
the same time, not exclusively, but.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Uh and then and then our show comes.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Around as the prequel to all of this, and you know,
we're still there's still a legacy of sort of the
you know, Roddenberry ethos being like you know, in lights
on a wall about how you're supposed to make our
show and then what we take there's a what at
(27:35):
least in television.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
There's a good nine year it's eight years, isn't it?
Eight years? Discovery?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, you know, and then you know, you have you
have jj Abrams putting out those movies, and those movies
are very different from the ones.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
That were you know, Star Trek one through five or six.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Oh of these twelve apparently, so I'm gone being sorry sorry,
twelve years twelve years.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I thought it was twelve years. And I and I
think that I think that Star Trek.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Fans hold dearly this ethos, and maybe rightly so.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
But you know, there's other ways to tell a.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Story, and there's other there's you know, we've got elements
of start. Section thirty one is an element of Star Trek.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It is a particular thing, and.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
It's not it's not exactly, and it's not Star Trek
in its encompassment.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
It's not it. It's like it's like separate, it's like
time travel. Yeah, yeah, there you got. That's not a
bad analogy.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
It's almost as though doctor who showed up and was
like open this door.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Right, So I don't know, I mean, I I I
will watch it for.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Its own merit and and hopefully hopefully it's good.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, Okay, I'll love a look at it. Isn't this
something else too? No, that's it.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
And I'm thinking of the Watson thing that Sir Jason's
done as well, which I'm quite interested in. Having interviewed
Nick Mayer just now, I'm rather interested to see that too.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So is he part of it?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Well, I know, no he's not, but he's a huge
Sherlock Holmes fan. So you know, I got more of
a you know, I've never really read Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I didn't read him as a child.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I have the I have the complete works in my
shelf that has gathered dust for fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
But I'm curious to you know, dive into it. Yeah,
I have to say.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I mean I having read Nick's new offering under the
title of I was like wow. And then I went
off and read the zimmer and Tell Graham by your
lady Barbara Tupman, And I've got Guns of August and
the the the Power.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Tower is it power Tower?
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Was it Proud Tower? And I'll do a swap. You're
gonna have the Zimmerman Telegram and.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I'll read the the Crusades ones.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You'll have you got through that yet? The Bible and
the Sword. No, I'm almost done. I will say The
Guns of August is her opus? Is it right?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Those of you who are watching, if you've never read
Barbara Tuckman, she is a writer of history.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
The sixties.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I wasn't aware of that. I didn't realize that. Yeah,
she was writing quite soon after, you know, certainly, well,
she wrote Rise about the First World War, so it's
not soon.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I'm thinking of the second. Does she do any Second
World War stuff? The first is a real thing, isn't it.
I think it is. No.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I even I think that maybe The Bible and the
Sword is her first book. Uh. I could be wrong
about that, but it's very early in her career. I
don't recall that she has a book about World War Two.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
No, I think she's a she's an fsionardo for the
first there's a telegram that you have read that.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
There's that, and then there's that. There's the one about
the relationship with China.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
All right, I'd like to moms. Has she Yeah? I
mean they're dense. The Zimmerman is definitely there's a lot
of names. You've got to keep a handle on.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Jesus.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I mean, yeah, you look at the Bible and the sword,
and you're thinking, man, I should have read the Bible,
you know.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I mean, it's always as a marrits of a good
book when you're constantly reaching for the phone, and God
bless that we've got them and Wikipedia this name, that name,
and and you. It's amazing how many very informative rabbit
holes one goes down if you are prepared to spend
that time to do it rather than just gloss over
and going out.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Well, I don't really I had spent at different times
a good half a day.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
On Wikipedia. Right there, you going from place to place
to place.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
It's good, isn't it. I mean, I have to say
it's it's very education. We're very fortunate to have it.
We should I don't know if you do, but donate
to Wikipedia. It's well worth it. And that said, donate
to the dcon Chamber. We are like Wikipedia, that's right.
We're ultimately a free service that we need your help with.
(32:33):
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amount of money a month. You can really help us out.
And we want to do this for a long time
and we need.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Your help to do that.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
That said, let's go back to tearing over so apparently
Stella Antoinette Seller she didn't make it past the first
half of the first season, so Brandon must have disliked
this script so much, which I thought was is rather unfair.
I thought the script was great, and I don't speak.
(33:08):
I thought it was it was.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
It wasn't hokey. It was credible.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
And uh, if anything poetic, I thought uh.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
And I thought the performance was lovely.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I love that scene where Archer finds the old photograph
of the original settlers and there's Bernadette, who's now called
Nadette in her mother's arms vera fuller and uh, and
the dawning of the realization on Bernadette's older face that
she is that.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Little human girl.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yes, really, Yeah, it's a it's a poignant moving moment
in the in the episode, and yeah, I really we.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Also we also get to see, uh, somewhat for the
first time. John Billingsley's doctor Flox flashed out a little bit. Yeah,
he's such a good actor. And to see his choices
and sort of nuances, and you know when he's walking
(34:10):
in with that medical kit, and and to get that
medical kit back and to be able to help you,
to help to help Malcolm.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
You know, they sure got the right guy for that.
They did.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
There was one other guy I know they were very
interested in, and he's quite well known.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
He went on to do that's at our time. I
remember meeting him in the hallway.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
When I went for one of my first auditions and
I'm struggling to think what his name would be.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
He ended up you'd know his face immediately.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
He's just one of those guys that's you know, gone
from serious to series. Good voice, good character actor, and yeah,
I wonder how gutted he but he went on to
do he got he like he got a top net
work show.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Shortly after we got a UPN network. He's wound up
on Last or something, and he.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Wound up on I want to say west Wing, but
it wasn't west Wing. It was it might have been
one of the early n C I S's or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, yeah, he's.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
One of those you know, there's there's about half a
dozen of those guys to code of sellers who it
really is, And yeah, I remember him being he was
up for Flocks. He would have been a good Flocks.
But so John's got a sensibility about him, a humanity
if you will, and it's shown out in his real
(35:40):
life with his work at the Hollywood Food Coalition.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
There's a Flocks also has a great sense of curiosity
that John brought to the.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yes, indeed, and funnily enough, it's the this is the
first time we hear the word nobulum.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
He's he he yes it is. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I looked at I was, I'll do some reading and yeah,
it's the first time we hear that. He identifies himself
as a denobulum and yeah, and we all went well then.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I mean again, ultimately I was happy with you. But
believe me, there are episodes in season one that I
thought were just clunkers. I didn't think this was one
of them.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
No, me neither. I was quite surprised to read. I
think if Brannon brought it up when we did the
ten year reunion at CBS for the Blu ray, yeah,
it goes down as one of the like, you know,
top five clunkers in his mind's eye. Anyway, I don't
know i'd argue in court against that.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
I would too, there's another five I could probably pick
pretty easily that this is better than.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, agreed, Are we missing anything? What do you think? Uh?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I liked that we got to see uh, a bit
of Mayweather and how he felt about his role, you know,
in the in the what is it even in the
teaser he's talking about is it the teaser or very
one of the first scenes after the teaser where he's
talking about how enthralled he is with his story. It's
(37:25):
it's it's you know, it's it's almost like, you know,
the sort of lore that we have with.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
The other animals of human mystery stories like rare hearts
and uh, one of the other ones they bring up
and as.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
You mentioned, I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I don't know what that one was, but you know,
there's there's all these mystery stories and you know, the
untold story about what happened, uh, that this is one
of them, and and his his interest in it, and
and I think that when Archer gives him the opportunity
to to write the report up for stuf our Fleet,
(38:00):
I thought that was a nice tie you a nice
bow at the end.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Very much, very much. So.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah, But I think that the whole, the major tenet
of the pieces is that you know, we do help
them out.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
And we we we.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Do maintain the first directive, if you will and any
idea that we could just you know, hijack these people
for their better good and plump them down, you know,
back on Earth is And it's to Paul as you say,
who says.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
You know, you can't just do that.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
They have a culture now that is to be you know, protected,
and we can do that on the other.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Side of the planet. So yeah, I like that. I
thought it was a good message. I don't know why
he was so ugy about.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
It, but all in all, I thought it was a
good Now we're it's the fifth or sixth, sixth think,
I think officially, Yeah, you know, I feel like we
we came out of the gate pretty strong.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
No, indeed, I will say that.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
You know, if you're to watch an episode side by
side with an episode in season four, you know I
can see us all working.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yeah, yeah, indeed, yeah, yeah, good cohesion and.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, I mean I mean, I really, I mean we
we we really took to it like fish to water.
I mean, uh yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
And we've often said this about it's working on Star Trek.
You need to be somewhat classically trained to sell it.
It's it's it's you're selling a Shakespearean world in space.
Elevated and yeah, and then learning how to do that
in front of a little black box rather than to
a you know, a proscenium marched with seven hundred people in.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
It, right, And and you know, as we learned as
we went along, one's a bill need to make that
their own. Yeah, and and that that took a little time.
I mean I found myself, you know, over acting a
little bit in hindsight, and yeah, me too, you know,
(40:16):
but I did love that scene where you were asking
about going to the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, what was I saying? And then I'll get turned down,
don't well shuck it up?
Speaker 3 (40:34):
But overall, no, I know agree, I mean, I mean,
you know, actors, you know, we sometimes you know, when
it says, you know, he's got a broken leg, and
all you do is play the broken leg. That's actually
not the interesting part of the scene.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
And you have to sort of play the broken leg
a bit like in England we call it the smike
part in uh is it Nicholas Nickleby, he's got the
limp and he's the cripple and you know you can
overplay the crip, you can overplay the limp and.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Well, you know, it's also like playing drunk. You can't
play drunk. You have to play that you're trying not
to be drunk.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Not to be drunk, which I think we did very
well in a coming in an episode, coming up.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Screen near you.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Well, this has been very interesting, good walk down the lane,
and I think looking forward to the next one.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
What is the next one? Oh and the Dorian incident
one of the one of the best. Yeah, we meet
Jeff Combs for the first time.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I meet Jeff Combs for the first time. Yeah, well
we'll look forward to that. Well, listen, thank you guys
for watching. I hope you enjoyed this watch party. And yeah,
one more little plea to become a patron member. Please,
we really need your help. And we know you love this.
We've got great episodes coming and and I'll be going
(42:04):
to the Saturn Awards, or we'll have gone to the
Saturn Awards by the time you see this.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
And I won't be shy. Let me tell you see
what we can get, all right, Yeah, all right, cheers y'all.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
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