March 16, 2025 • 53 mins
Secrets, spies, and Shran! Our hosts dive into The Andorian Incident, where things at P’Jem aren’t what they seem.
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Speaker 1 (01:12):
Welcome back to another watch party for the Decon Chamber.
I'm your co host, Dominic Keating, joined as always by
my mate, my bestie, my fellow co host, mister Connor
Schoneer in the house. Yeah, so this morning, and that's
given him away. Go we work, we work early hours, Darling.
We're going to review our seventh episode, which is called
(01:36):
The Andorian Incident, which is unique for several reasons. I'm
quite excited that. I this was Roxanne Dawson's first directorial
efforts with us, and that was interesting and story by
Fred Dekker. No, I never did you know Fred?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I didn't really, I didn't know Fred. No.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I didn't know Fred either. Screenplay by everybody, by everybody. Yeah,
it was, it was, it was, it was. It was
Brann and Rick Fred, I guess. And it's unique in
many ways. It introduces the Andorians, I think for the
first time as actual live, you know beings. They were
(02:21):
I think they were featured in part of the animated
series after the original series.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well they're in the original series, aren't they.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I don't think so. The Romulans are.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Oh no, we we'd seen Andorians.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Are the Andorians in the original series. Okays are in
the original series. So I'm getting.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
The weather today is going to be slightly cloudy, and
and the ands were in the.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So we are unique for bringing them back at least
as proper live action characters. And then with the movie
Antenna that was a big deal. Yeah, you know, he
introduced Jeff Combs to us Holmes and mister Ricketts. Is
it Jeff Ricketts too?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It was? It was he was in the wasn't he
in the pilot? Was he not in the pilot as
one of the members of what was he their group?
When they're talking to Archer. I could be wrong about this.
When the Vulcans are talking to Archer about, you know,
what we're supposed to do or not do, and he
(03:35):
has his whole speech about what the Vulcans have done
to I'm not sure if he's in that scene as well,
but yes, this is the first time he has a
significance significantly and.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
It was in Flight or Flight I think too U
as the Asinar captain, all right, yeah, and they're heavily
made up. Yeah, I'm just getting worried about that. But
it's a good episode and I particularly liked the the introduction.
(04:13):
I mean, you guys are a bit I mean, I
guess it goes it goes in in line with what
the prequel had as it sort of you know, what's
the word I'm looking for. Yeah, exactly, and you know,
you know you you and Archer are a couple of
good old boys in those early scenes like.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
But I'm literally if you could throw a catchphrase at me,
I would say it the entire time.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, it was. It was. It was a bit like
he really is a Nascar Well.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
There's a dog man, you should feed it.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It really was a bit. It was kind of hokey,
wasn't it. I Mean, there was some hokey moments, worse
and hoping moments.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
But I will say that it feels to me that
this is the first episode where we as a show.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Are there's a dog isshue fit.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
That we're that we're part of the you know, the
notion of the message of our whole show. Yeah, we're like,
we're going to go do this. We're going to go
see something. We don't know about it yet. We get
told by to Paul that you know, they're all being
you know, quiet, and we're like, well, whatever, we'll go
see it.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah. I like And I but that said leading to
that scene. I love that scene between her and Flocks
in the messle having lunch or something, and and it
brings up the idea. I see the infinite diversity and
infinite combinations, which is so timely for.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Our times right now.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It's going on in the country and you know, fether
there was a message that Geene Roddenberry left It was
that and.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, I love how I love how To. Paul says,
whatever the Bulkan mission is and blocks grabs her piece
of celery and then there's like miss eats.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I love the messy eating of it. So John just
didn't care. It was all bowing out of his mouth.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah. He gives their mission statement. Yeah, and then he
gives our mission statement and then he kind of goes, hmm,
well maybe think about that. Yeah, And I thought that
that was I think that was I thought that was
really there's points for our for our show too to.
(06:48):
I really believe that that this episode was clear in
the way that it launched what our mission.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Was agreed, and so that with that in mind, you know,
you and Captain Archer, I mean, it was just ever
so slightly over gooks. I think this is totally the
the the you know, the the the eager kids trying
to get out of the pay you know, out of
the sandbox, and with.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
The lids open, you should probably shut it. Yeah, I
said this. I watched this episode this morning and I
was like, dude, could you be any more catchphrase it?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
It was funny. I have to say I diggled myself.
But I love that that scene between them is great.
And I like the fact that Flox draws attention to
the fact that he feels at times quite alone on
the ship because he needs a nobulance and and and.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
That yes, he's also very it's a it's a very clear,
good example of the differences in their races and in
the way in which that they, you know, Flocks as
a Denobulan and uh to Paul as a Bulkan express
the import of what they're doing. M and you know,
(08:13):
and I and it's it's a very good example. And
I think that that it's a it's a it's it
begins an arc that that to Paul, played by Joelene
carries throughout the entire series. And it's the first time
I believe that it's it's addressed in a way that
you know, you get your foot in your mouth.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Mm hmmm mmm. Yeah, she's and she's and she's had
to say. The more I watch her, the more you
see going on that that wasn't maybe evident in the
debt on the day, but it's all there on the screen.
And yeah, there's some very witty bits. I mean, you
(08:52):
forget that we smell dreadful to Vulcans. I know, I'd
forgotten that. There's that scene looks like, you know, Archers
sharing the blanket and she's.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Like, I haven't had my I haven't had my neurospray
for twenty four hours.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, it was well, they're amusing.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But as we start the episode, uh, you know, we
we we walk into a scenario where you know, we're
going to potentially look at another element of Vulcan life, right,
and then we get news that they maybe I forget
(09:31):
the term, yeah, colinar where they're all silent.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, I mean they're all they are in peaceful meditation
most of the time. But colinar Is is the particular sort.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Of recific yes, and it's a specific area and and
to be there is a very pagem thing pagem and
and I and uh and then we're kind of like,
all right, what the hell, let's go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So I know there is that sort of u slightly
ghost you know, assitude that we can just drop in.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
You know, that's what emission is all about, isn't he
just say hi? Just say high?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You know, which is just a visit. I love it
is a Canadian visit, right only to find that the
doors are bashed in and she she she.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Loved that scene. I love that scene when when we
all walk in and there's what's his name? Is that
the guy who you were mentioning earlier, the actor h
then the the Vulcan, the Vulcan leader of the Yeah,
they had.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
No that's I forget his I forget his name. He
was lovely though, wasn't.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
He He was great. He had a great presence. And
uh and and then you know, we're sitting there kind
of going, hmm, well, all right, well this was cool.
What's that broken thing? And then uh, you know the
fact that there's there should be more people there, and
(11:01):
it becomes clear that something's going on. And what I
also love about this in the entirety of the episode
is that we find out later that we'll get into
is that the Andorians have a reason for this, and
a very real one that we discover, which I think
(11:24):
also creates more tension and for you know, our relationship
with the Balkans and Paul.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I remember when we first chatted with Jeff on the
prior iteration of this show. I remember him saying distinctly
that he his sort of background story for the Andorian
relationship with the Valcans was much like the Ira Apropos,
(11:56):
the British occupation of Ulster. They were under sub subjugated
by you know, uh, a power with greater technology, greater advancement,
which is you know, what the Vulcans were to the Andorians,
and that they were freedom fighters in a way. They
were trying to you know, you know, just you know,
(12:16):
find their way against this this overpowering menace. Clearly. I
mean the Vulcans, you know, they kept they kept the
humans at bay Uh for some time, and now we
find out that they're also doing this to the Andorians.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And and not to give any sort of sense other
than you know, what what I can say from myself
is an association is like, you know, the the Vulcan
set up, it was very Chinese, very very Asian, very very.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Something that was you know, was monastic, wasn't it Tibetan monastic?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you know, very secretive, very and I'm
not not to say that that's a Chinese thing. But
you know there's a there's a political bent to this
entire thing that we can all make sort of the
same day associations.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
With no kidding. Yeah, yeah, Well, as it turns out,
as we know, I mean, yes, they the Andans had
every suspicion that suspicions were duly recognized.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
And yeah, I just understand about that, is that how
if if if the Enterprise or the Andorrian vessel had
the kind of technology I think they had, if you
wouldn't be able to go like, hey, by the way,
you downstairs.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, there's a lot of that's a lot going on, Yeah, yeah,
there are. They could they could detect, Yes, when when
Malcolm arrives, they could detect three more life signs on
the on the planet. But they couldn't figure out I
wasn't there this like four story you know really, but
maybe it was just well insulated with you know, with lead, Yeah,
(14:10):
with lead. So Malcolm gets this captain moment, which I
was a bit nervous about, I could tell, bless me,
and I almost pulled it off. I mean I sort of,
I mean I did, Yeah, I was. I could have
been a bit more.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
That's the word just.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Grounded. I think, yeah, slightly, I think I was.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I would disagree with you. I think that, you know,
the reality being that, you know, the army officer comes
in to sit in the captain's chair, would not know
what that's like.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Well agreed, okay, then the fair enough. Yeah, then maybe
my because it was good. This is early on and
you know, Roxanne was you know, I mean, god bless
at that time she kind of I mean not that
many directors looked at perform moments particularly, but she and
she especially at that time in her first episode, was
(15:06):
very focused and you know, just raise it on just
shots and getting her day. And I do remember that.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I think it was one of the you know, this
is what episode seven?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, and actual yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
The technology you know, I will say that, you know her,
I don't think she'd had a lot of experience having
done more than you know, some episodes of Voyager. I
don't know how much she'd directed prior to that episode.
In fact, I thought that rox Sante's episode was one
(15:46):
later on and it was this one. And I remember
thinking this watching this this morning, that her work with
Marvin and the way that the way in which they
suddenly moved the camera to in sure there's a three
you know, there were there were three people or there
was uh and by the way, for a first time
(16:11):
director on our show to have the requirement of I
mean there's what, there's four Endorians.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
There's a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, four of us. Sometimes there's eleven of us.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah there is. And well that too, there's a lot
of coverage.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah. And I thought that she seamlessly managed that.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I thought that she did. She was very well prepared.
I remember she had a boulder this thick and uh. Yeah,
she had you know, a whole sort of you know,
what do you call it? Bible of shots.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And binder and she had a three hole binder. That
was she did.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
She did she And in some ways it was you know,
and you just you kind of go, well why am
I doing that? And uh, you your your adage is always, well,
I'll go and get a bit of I'll go get
some nuts from over there.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
It was like get a bag of peanuts.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah and yeah, but you have to fit in with her, Yeah,
with her shot making that she'd already figured out this
is how it's gonna.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Also appreciated that that that she recognized, and I think
this is one of the first episodes where some sort
of just light character nuance played in For instance, Linda
in the first part she's kind of like, well, maybe
they're just trying to find out what's going on down there. Yeah, right,
(17:37):
And and there are moments where she leaves the camera
on a reaction that I thought was it was really good.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, yeah, I'm brave if you will, because the the
temptation is is to move quickly to the next active scene. Yeah, agreed, right.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And there were so many people, so, I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
The coverage was and I looked at that, particularly the
the the hostage room. I mean it was just stacked
full of people, eleven of us. And to make sense
of that, the geography of that is always don.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Tell that story visually. Is is not an easy task.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
No, and God bless I mean Marvin rush our DP,
I mean he held her hands a lot, I know,
and uh yeah, I remember them, you know, huddling in
the corner a lot and and him saying, well, you
know you need to get that, you need to get this,
and he's you know, that's when you need a really
(18:34):
good DP, when you you've got that all that experience
that he can see this, you know what what the
editor is going to need to make sense of making this.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Well, imagine what it's like to come in. I granted,
you know it is still a star a Star Trek show,
but to come in and to recognize and understand the
tone of something that you're making and what it's meant
to look like. And and and I think that they
they had a really symbiotic relationship with that and and
work well together. Yeah. I remember thinking, you know, at
(19:09):
the moment, this was our first time with the first
time director of our show, you know, and there's this
sort of like you know, all right, do you think
coming into our ground exactly?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I like this is and this is also Malcolm sort
of first you know, foray into being the action man
where you know he has to go and rescue the captain.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Wait a minute, wait a minute. You jumped over a
log very well in the previous episode.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Oh I did, I did, I did. I was a
very I was very proud of that. I look very nimble, nimble.
But yeah, I quite enjoyed being the action man. And
and that's of all that stuff you've got going down
into the catacombs. Uh, and and seeing Hadakh, who's the
(20:08):
founder of the monastery, and all the elders and the immortalized.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Who fells it's so disrespectfully disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
It is, it's very it's very right.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Literally, almost every reaction I.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Have, it's kind of like it's a bit yeah, it's
a bit like really, you know, and it's every day.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And I really think that that did a disservice to
it being dangerous, right right, I do? I do?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah the light Yeah, I hear you, I mean, did
you Yeah? I mean it's funny because did you ever
think to play it a different way? Or it was
written that way? Really, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
At the moment I was at that time on the show,
I feel as though I was meant to be relatively
sort of insensitive two scenarios like and this was a
good example of that. Yeah, it changed later, but but
at that you know, I was kind of like diy
slapping he ha. Yeah, and and like I said, you know,
(21:19):
catchphrase this and that and and I and I think
that when I watched this this morning, that you know,
I thought that there was we could have gotten more
out of that than than I did.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Or yeah, maybe you know you're exactly your your experience
of going through those sacred catacombs could have been could
have been just deeper, you know, and you would have
had a hate You could have used the word you
could have said hey, fellows, but said it in a
much in a in a very different tone, more respectful, yeah, kidding.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
And I wasn't at any point in that, even with
the Vulcans, with the Andorians, I was This is one
of the things that that drives me crazy about watching
some of the things that I've done, you know, as
an example, you know, with uh Stargate Atlantis, there were
times in which, also with Enterprise, that I thought that,
(22:17):
you know, it's very easy to give a catchphrase, it's
very difficult to make a catchphrase land and I found
myself watching this going like, you know, there was an
opportunity there too, not just be.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
A yeah, could you do it? Let's exactly do no
do dinch.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
When she's off stage she's in awful but on stage yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
But also and I would I will say that I
thought that everyone in that episode, all of the other
guest stars, oh good.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, really yeah, they were very convicted. Just they were
utterly grounded and convincing.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, and it's the first time we ever meet Jeff.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yes, God bless and you know, obviously he'd had you know,
he'd been around numerous times on other iterations of the shows.
And I wonder what that was like for him. I
forget if we talked about that for him coming into
our cast. I think we were an inviting cast, we
uh and and respectful cast like that, and we certainly
(23:43):
got the tone from Scott that you know, you were first,
first foot forward, hand out. But it must have been
I mean, I wonder what Jeff felt, and this was
a good part for him. And I remember, you know,
the moving antenna's was a big I mean they enter
one of those guys off to the side with the
with the sort of PlayStation monitors, you know, like drones
(24:07):
like moving them around. They did squeak. He probably had
to loop a d M most of his performance, you
know what I was.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
It's funny you say that, because I was watching this
and I felt as though, because you can as an actor,
having done this for a long time, you can kind
of tell when your scene has been looped.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, And and I felt like I felt like most
scenes with the ians were that way say, well, uh,
not even close. I think any time that.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
You know, the antenna moved, it tends to They tended
not to move too much in the wides. It was
when he had a close up that they were and
he got agitated particularly or suspicious. Then they'd start moving
and uh yeah, and I heard that. I guess you
can a always hear the Oh yeah, it's a funny thing.
It's like, you know, so audience think about it this way.
(25:06):
So the idea is that you have.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
A scene with say three or four people, and you're operating,
and you've done your work to what the scene's conclusion
is meant to be, and then in the meantime, when
you're in that scene, you hear this and it throws
you in a way, and that that was interesting. It's
(25:32):
one of those it's it's you know, it's like an
acting class when they say, you know, okay, well here's
your scene, but we're going to throw in that you're
in a hurricane, right, yeah, now play it not play Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
It's it's suddenly it's a very different scene.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
And it's amazing when you are on stage or in
the scene on set. I mean, you can hear a
pin drop, you know, twenty five feet away, and it'll
put you off. You know, it's amazing what takes you
out of the moment, particularly if you've got quite a
lot to say, or you know, you know, when they
(26:12):
when they when they call action and suddenly it's like, Okay,
the camera's on you and this is you know, it's
all and this is the world and this is the
world exactly, and yeah, it's Yeah. I used to get
quite agitated when you'd hear noises off, you know as
it were, and like, you know, could everyone shut up please,
(26:33):
I'm trying to concentrate here, but yeah, Jeff, but they were.
They were great, the Andorians. And I also think the other.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Thing too, is that that, you know, especially in this episode,
as ever call we didn't meet them as people they've
been there at five o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
No, exactly, No, we didn't. We met them all as
blue blue faces with with with with antenna agreed.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, I remember having really good conversations with one of
them and over the course of the week and saying
to him, man, I have no idea what you actually
look like, you know, no idea.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Actually I'm rather handsome exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I don't have quite the high forehead.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Talking of looping, I was telling this story to my
fiance the other day, Sarah. I once went in, I
think we've done this episode when when the Captain does
that fireman's lift down the armory stairs and lands with
me and Anthony and I got into do some looping,
and they'd left some Easter eggs for me, and one
of which was when he when Scott lands and Anthony's
(27:53):
kneeling down next to me tinkering with some you know, pads,
and he turned around, Oh captain, you scared me.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And then there was we're under attacked by some some
other you know, alien force and the ship was getting
blown apart, and they cut around the ship to the
different reactions, and it went to you and I think
you left with like you like what the Then it
went to Linda and she goes and then it went
(28:22):
it went out to Jolie and she happened to be
going like that bag my head.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
So the audience knows what this is like. So we
record the episode. We filmed the episode, and then they
determined based on ambient noise or whatever that's going on,
and we all go into separately. Yes, you are on
particular tracks. We go in separately to this big room, yeh,
(28:50):
big studio screen direct The producer was Steve.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Steve oh well, Wilkie.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Steve Welke, Yes, Steve Welke, and he was thank you
so good at this, and and he would allow these
sort of you know, to come in. But the reality
is is that so you walk in and you've got
an hour setup for yourself to do your looping, your
a d R. And there's you and with a with
(29:19):
a microphone. There's a music stand and then there's like
three or four microphones further along. And then so what
they do then in the producer's booth is that they
give you the scene and you see the scene and
you kind of, you know, mouth what you're supposed to say.
(29:40):
You've got the lines on this music stand and then
and then they do beep beep, beep, go go. Yeah,
And that's how you loop it, and you have to
find a way to put yourself back in the scenario.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Of the scene. Yeah. It's an interesting thing, and some
are good and some are not so good.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, And I loved looping. I loved looping. I loved
doing that.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I sometimes I've made a performance way better. I know that, like,
and I I can actually hear bits that they didn't
want looping. I'm like, let's come back and get that
bit too. I could do that, but I could do
that better.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
I can tell in almost every film I see when
it's looped right one by the environment. Right, Like for instance,
when I was watching, Oh, what's that great movie about
World War One nineteen seventeen.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Seventeen, the one shot film Menendez did. Yeah, the Salmans
did it.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, they looped that whole thing.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Dyta must have done.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, of course, Yeah, the environment, because what you have
is especially how much movement going on putting outside or
you've got movement happening you, there's no way in which
you can make that sound on right. Well. Now it's
a huge part of our business.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah it is. Yeah, I quite I enjoyed it. I
and uh yeah, and often, as I say, I've made
my performances way better in the In the studio, it's
quite daunting initially, uh, just the the dance of it.
And but once you get used to you just it's
(31:24):
like jumping. It's like jumping off. It's like it's like
jumping off the tightrope and just going, you know, I'll
fall safely, you know, and have a go and on
that third beat, just do it. And I found it
better to not look at the screen, just get the
pace to get that. Yeah, don't try and even match
(31:45):
it up with just get the cadence and the rhythm
and the timing of the speech.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
The rhythm is the key, isn't it. The rhythm is
is that you have to nail the rhythm down of
what you did before. And there were sometimes where I
was like, you talk too fast?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Right, Yeah, that's uh, I know sometimes Yeah, we do
do that as actors. Where are we in the in
the show? So, so Malcolm arrives and we're we're sequestered away.
We've you've you've since found out that there's a direct
route from the catacombs to the sort of room where
(32:21):
the Andorians are holding Well, I passed that little icon, yes,
the the the icon, Yeah, And I go back and
I find it and and that leads Malcolm to understand
that he can blow the the jass out of that
stone face in the room that the Andorians are using
(32:41):
as their HQ.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
And that was that was very seventies kind of as silly.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Experience, wasn't it. It was very Maguyyah. Yeah, it was
a good stunt because I think Jeff actually probably did that.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
It looked like he did, you know, yeah, probably, But
I mean I do want to back up a little
bit about to Jeff. I mean when he shows up,
man he owned shrand, Yeah I did. And uh, you
know he was dangerous, Yeah he is.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
And he's got a great voice and he uses his
voice really subtly and well and yeah, it's a it's
a it's a terrific performance and uh and it really
plays out at the end when you know, he realizes
that the humans have helped him, no, no end and
I'm in your debt. Is it's a it's a very
(33:37):
it's a it's a good moment and uh, it's it
sets up a you know, watch this space for you know,
I'm coming back and there's there's you know, by the way,
the most experienced actor in those scenes in Star Trek
was Jeff Combs.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, no kidding, hands down. Yeah, he'd done so many
characters from you know, Voyager and Deep Space nine that
he was He was definitely And it was funny. I
remember I remember thinking when I when When I saw
him do the first scene, I was like, oh, all right,
(34:15):
we got to put your hat on then, all.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Right, yeah, well yeah there's there's a guy here.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
We've got a guy who's really going for it. That
was great.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, experience. I like the I like the the the
the the I mean the the the c g I
of the actual you know, sensor array that they're hiding
is quite well done, I mean for its time, and
it must have cost quite a bit of money, you know,
(34:45):
and it's do you remember when those those scenes we
used to they used to have to step out onto
a landing that they built and look out into a
green screen and that's all we got. And yeah, and
uh so you.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Can see the episode and go oh.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I'd always find that the hardest, you know, the hardest
acting we ever did was was that pretend acting. You know,
give me a five page scene with another actor any day,
But asked me to do a reaction shot to a
you know, a censor array five stories tall, and you're like, well,
what face is that? You know? I mean, move yeah,
(35:23):
you don't know, you don't know, you don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
What you're looking at or what what you're going to
see on the episode of what you're looking at.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
And that's where you've got to trust the director that
they're looking at that reaction shot and they're going, No,
that's gonna that's going to be fine.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I do remember one particular scene. It's it's when we
get the torches lit.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Oh, I because I moved it away and I was like,
don't light your hair on fire. Going I saw that
faced the slight fear of the I didn't know that.
I mean, that was that was some business. He wasn't.
(36:08):
Really we got nothing like businesses there for an actor.
It's like you are, I got a chew gum and
speak at the same time. Oh no.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Walking through those those caves, which we used over and over.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
And over again, and they got a lot of use.
The walkways, yeah, God bless. Yeah, they were in what
we were watching trying to think the other day. Yeah,
the Terra Nova they started and yeah they were I
bet they've been. I mean they just they just kept
those and wheeled them in. God bless and yeah, but
(36:50):
business with the torch. What do you think of that
scene between Joe Lene and uh and Scott when she's
freezing and you know the blanket. It's rather the tender actually,
and uh I liked it.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
I did too. I mean, you know, this was moments
where I thought, and this was what our show was doing.
I think initially was having that kind of uncertain possibility
of them having a relationship.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Right, Yeah, I'd forgotten that that was still they hadn't decided,
had they.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
No, not not then not by that point. No, And
and and also, uh, you know, it's one of the
last times I remember that there's this whole notion that
we'd smell badly to them.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't. I can't remember it. We'll
see as we go forward, but I don't remember it
coming up quite so again so distinctly.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, and it's a it's a it's a it's a
lovely scene. And uh, you know, I think that there
was mileage there that they made not have mind mind
with with with that because look, I mean, you know,
(38:10):
minus the wig, there was no taking your eyes off Joline.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
No, no, it's good looking. Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I and I know that in the first at least
season and maybe this into the second season, you know,
they were toying with the idea. I mean, clearly we
will see it more that that that there may have
been some sort of tension slash possibility of a relationship
between the captain and to Paul, and then that shifted
(38:42):
over to trip.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, and probably rightfully so really in a way, I mean,
it would have tied them into a corner that they
didn't need to say, stay stuck in.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, I agree, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
You know it would have diminished somehow it was. It
would have diminished Scott's role as the captain. I think
if they'd given it, Yeah, they couldn't make it meaningless.
It would have to be meaningful, right, yeah, and better?
And look, you know I was thinking, God, no, Scott
was fifty pretty much close to fifty when he started
shooting that show. A man, he was throwing himself around
(39:21):
in those fight scenes and the beat up scenes.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
And he got his ass kicked in this episode. He
got his ass kicked in this episode. And he God,
he did a lot of that stuff himself. Vince Dierdrick
was his stunt guy, wasn't he And he was like
two thirds of size?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
But yeah, no kidding, And yeah, I mean we said
when he came on the show, and then I said
to himself, I remember celebrating his fiftieth birthday and thinking, oh, well,
that's all. Look at us now, I look at us now,
(39:58):
fifty fifty.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I loved fifty.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
He was in such good shape.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
And uh, you know, I also think that that this
was a good episode for Scott's character as Archer in
terms of like evaluating an environment. You know, he you know,
Archer really wants to go down and explore this just
(40:25):
to say hi, and and realizes that something's going on,
and then he makes sure that he he makes sure
that he is responsible for the actions that he's done.
(40:45):
And I think that's very interesting. It's it's it's a
you know, he takes responsibility for one thing, and then
when it becomes clear that the Vulcans are definitely doing something,
you know, he's a fair actor.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yes, indeed, and clearly you know, I mean, the God
blessed the monks. They've been lying bare face to us
since we got there. They can't not have known that
this was, you know, directly happening under their feet, of course,
so you know, and yeah, you're right. I mean I
like that about the episode that that it's he maintains
(41:27):
that it's now it's our job to somehow make this
fair and square.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
And interestingly also Archer sides with as you know, a
fair play act. He sides with the Andorians. Yeah, you know,
in the meantime he doesn't even know them, no, And
he also has had a relationship with the Balkans who
(41:55):
have done this, that or the other thing, but this history.
At the end, in the end, he basically says, you know, yeah,
there's a reason we don't trust them, and it is
we're right. And Shran says, you know, we're in your debt,
and that plays out for the rest of our show.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, and it's said in a way the the the
we're in your debt. It's said, it's said with with sincerity,
but it's also said with menace in a way. Yeah,
you know, I shall somehow I'm gonna repay this debt
and then we're and then we're done. Yeah, I don't
like being in your debt.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
And I'll kill you all. Yeah. Right, uh, wonderful, you know,
I I you know, I want to reiterate how how
how great it was to introduce Jeffrey Combs as Shran,
who became, over the course of our series such an
(42:54):
important character, to the point where this maybe rumor there's
maybe true to it that they had considered or we're
going to make Shran a series regular in season five.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Wow. But it doesn't surprise me. And I think Manny
certainly loved the idea of the end of Jeff being
a main character, and that would have been that's too bad.
I know. You know, when they do the rat pack
stuff at the conventions, they have a song about the
third season when the Zindi came in and they and
Vaughan and Jeff didn't get did you know they weren't
(43:31):
featured because we went off, we went off in another
direction and much to their you know, chagrin. Yeah, there's
a they do a nice little dissy about, you know,
Buck the Zindy.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
I mean, it's funny. We were in San Francisco just
what was it, three weeks ago, and we're sitting there.
There was this lovely guy who provided just extra ordinary wines. Yeah,
and Jeff had come out and by the way, I'm
(44:07):
building this up because it's the same thing I hear
all the time. It was like, you guys should have
gone five seasons or seven seasons. And I remember sitting
there having a glass of amazing wine and Jeff sits
down and he just sits back and goes, we should
have gone five. And I was like, you two, I've
(44:29):
done this all day long. You gotta get me a break. Yeah,
I agree, but you know what, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
We were, we were, we were, we were Yeah, hoisted
on Julie. It's too bad. We had at least five
or six in us, that's for sure, especially with Manny.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah, you know, I think that I think that what
we did do is worthy of pride and praise.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
No a great yeah, ltly very proud of what we did.
What else? So I'm just trying to think it through
to the end now. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
So well, you know, they they open up, they turn
the head and it all shows up.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Amazing sex, weren't they. I mean just when you when
you think of the yeah, the stuff that they built,
uh literally.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
It boggles my mind how someone in because you have
to remember that when you're writing, especially the beginning of
a series. I think you know, you're doing episode, episode, episode, episode,
and the the minute show with when wherein they are
(45:47):
determining how our show is going to go forward. But
the things that they did one, you know, flocks being
who we as used it in the can and share
me saying just like well Philvier tires higher, Uh, you know,
(46:09):
Scott being archer, archer really holding on to his ethos
of what it means to be who we are and
what we're doing, and Scloras and yeah, Paul and to
Paul really holding on to her vulcanness, I mean back
against that.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
That's a really good episode. And we're we're very quickly
into our first season.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Yeah. Yeah. And and as you say that, there are
these little incidents in each teleplay that that just slightly
flesh out each character a little more each time, and
who they are and the relationship they have with one
another and to their mission.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
And uh, one thing one thing about that that I realized,
So as a boomer, Mayweather not knowing who Andorians are, like.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
He should have known, right, yeah, in the in the
law of it all, you mean, yeah, yeah, right right, yeah, yeah,
Well and I think, yeah, ultimately, to go back to
rock Stand, she did a really good job and.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
She contested a job.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
Yeah, it was well, she was so nervous, I could
you could. I mean, she was very very thoroughly prepared,
but there was you know, there was definitely you know,
this is this and nice look as we since now
she's gone on to have a stellar.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Career, dollar career, And I remember early on, you know,
she was like, you know, you know because a lot
of times what directors do often is that they'll have
they'll they'll script it out there, they'll write it out,
they'll they'll make an image of what they're scene is
supposed to look like a storyboard it, yeah, storyboard it
from from place to place to place. And I've said
(47:58):
this before. I remember her like, Okay, Connor, when Archer
says this, I need you to walk over there. I
was like, well why and she goes, kind I need
you to walk over there, and I.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Went, oh, it's in the book.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
I want to go get a bag of peanuts and
she goes, yes, go no bag. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
And I liked it in some ways. I mean I
liked some of her direction in that respect that we
you know, it did move scenes around, and she had
an idea of how the camera was going to follow you,
and it was a bit It's a bit like doing
a play, isn't it. You know, It's like, you don't
you can't just stay sat in the chair as much
as you'd like to for the entire scene, you've got
(48:50):
to get up at some point.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
And move around because you know, otherwise it's well, that's
one of the great things about this episode, and I
think that we'll see further on about her work, is
that she continues to keep things even slightly you know,
quite It starts off with one person on a close up,
and then you shift into it and then you've got
(49:13):
a three shot. Yeah, and no, you know, I think
that it was it's it's it's a good schooling of
a director, especially my god, when having, like I said,
so many actors in a room.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yeah, it's daunting when you Yeah, exactly, it's very daunting
because it's like, you know, and you've got to lay
out the geography of that and you know, for a
long time, it always just befuddled me, the crossing the
line thing, you know, it's it was like it was
like like math to me. It was like, what are
you talking about? I mean, just point the camera. Yeah,
(49:55):
but you're looking the wrong way. Now it looks like
you were looking at them over here, now you going
at them over there.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
It's it's standing when you're in the scene, to be
able to stand outside of the scene and see it
from their perspective is not easy.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
It's almost like looking above it and looking it is.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, and there's a line through it. Apparently, dinner tables
are the worst. If you presented with a dinner table scene,
it's like, oh god, where's everyone sitting? Who are they?
How are they looking at each other?
Speaker 2 (50:28):
How dinner?
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Yeah? Yeah, well you've got twelve people at the dinner table.
It's like, geez, that's going to be a tough one.
All right, Well that was a good chat about I
can't think of is there anything else you can think of?
Speaker 2 (50:47):
No?
Speaker 1 (50:50):
No, I like it. It's a good episode.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yeah, And it was in my mind, Shadows of the Gem.
That's what it's called. Right, is the first episode.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
And incident sorry it's called Yeah, there's another.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
And the enduring incident is the first episode where we
are actually on our way.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah, true it is. And yeah, and we've we've sort
of we we have we've we've drawn our line and
this is our course and right and and I and
I guess you know that that sort of hokiness and
you know, thigh slapping stuff at the beginning is all
part of you know, Yeah, our first faltering steps into
(51:42):
the into a new world. Yeah, as humans, you know,
have money, we'll travel.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, and I can literally take ten screen shots of
me just kind of going.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Like, yeah, it's brilliant. Let y'all catfish down there. That's right.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
If you're out of gas, go to the gas tank,
go to the door.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
All right, it's been a fun onne.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Take care of your finger.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Yeah, and look at that, lads, look at everyone.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
It's funny how it disappeared. It disappears because your background
is gray. It looks like you lost your finger entirely.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Look at that. That's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
It's gone. Yeah, all right, love you guys, Thank you
soow
Our wonderful executive producer, mister Dave Tabb is in the
house today. God bless him. Thank you, Dave, Thank you
very much.
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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, Tricky's and trekkers.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Welcome back to another watch party for the Decon Chamber.
I'm your co host, Dominic Keating, joined as always by
my mate, my bestie, my fellow co host, mister Connor
Schoneer in the house. Yeah, so this morning, and that's
given him away. Go we work, we work early hours, Darling.
We're going to review our seventh episode, which is called
(01:36):
The Andorian Incident, which is unique for several reasons. I'm
quite excited that. I this was Roxanne Dawson's first directorial
efforts with us, and that was interesting and story by
Fred Dekker. No, I never did you know Fred?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I didn't really, I didn't know Fred. No.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I didn't know Fred either. Screenplay by everybody, by everybody. Yeah,
it was, it was, it was, it was. It was
Brann and Rick Fred, I guess. And it's unique in
many ways. It introduces the Andorians, I think for the
first time as actual live, you know beings. They were
(02:21):
I think they were featured in part of the animated
series after the original series.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well they're in the original series, aren't they.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I don't think so. The Romulans are.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Oh no, we we'd seen Andorians.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Are the Andorians in the original series. Okays are in
the original series. So I'm getting.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
The weather today is going to be slightly cloudy, and
and the ands were in the.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So we are unique for bringing them back at least
as proper live action characters. And then with the movie
Antenna that was a big deal. Yeah, you know, he
introduced Jeff Combs to us Holmes and mister Ricketts. Is
it Jeff Ricketts too?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It was? It was he was in the wasn't he
in the pilot? Was he not in the pilot as
one of the members of what was he their group?
When they're talking to Archer. I could be wrong about this.
When the Vulcans are talking to Archer about, you know,
what we're supposed to do or not do, and he
(03:35):
has his whole speech about what the Vulcans have done
to I'm not sure if he's in that scene as well,
but yes, this is the first time he has a
significance significantly and.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
It was in Flight or Flight I think too U
as the Asinar captain, all right, yeah, and they're heavily
made up. Yeah, I'm just getting worried about that. But
it's a good episode and I particularly liked the the introduction.
(04:13):
I mean, you guys are a bit I mean, I
guess it goes it goes in in line with what
the prequel had as it sort of you know, what's
the word I'm looking for. Yeah, exactly, and you know,
you know you you and Archer are a couple of
good old boys in those early scenes like.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
But I'm literally if you could throw a catchphrase at me,
I would say it the entire time.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, it was. It was. It was a bit like
he really is a Nascar Well.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
There's a dog man, you should feed it.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It really was a bit. It was kind of hokey,
wasn't it. I Mean, there was some hokey moments, worse
and hoping moments.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
But I will say that it feels to me that
this is the first episode where we as a show.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Are there's a dog isshue fit.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
That we're that we're part of the you know, the
notion of the message of our whole show. Yeah, we're like,
we're going to go do this. We're going to go
see something. We don't know about it yet. We get
told by to Paul that you know, they're all being
you know, quiet, and we're like, well, whatever, we'll go
see it.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah. I like And I but that said leading to
that scene. I love that scene between her and Flocks
in the messle having lunch or something, and and it
brings up the idea. I see the infinite diversity and
infinite combinations, which is so timely for.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Our times right now.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It's going on in the country and you know, fether
there was a message that Geene Roddenberry left It was
that and.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, I love how I love how To. Paul says,
whatever the Bulkan mission is and blocks grabs her piece
of celery and then there's like miss eats.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I love the messy eating of it. So John just
didn't care. It was all bowing out of his mouth.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah. He gives their mission statement. Yeah, and then he
gives our mission statement and then he kind of goes, hmm,
well maybe think about that. Yeah, And I thought that
that was I think that was I thought that was
really there's points for our for our show too to.
(06:48):
I really believe that that this episode was clear in
the way that it launched what our mission.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Was agreed, and so that with that in mind, you know,
you and Captain Archer, I mean, it was just ever
so slightly over gooks. I think this is totally the
the the you know, the the the eager kids trying
to get out of the pay you know, out of
the sandbox, and with.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
The lids open, you should probably shut it. Yeah, I
said this. I watched this episode this morning and I
was like, dude, could you be any more catchphrase it?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
It was funny. I have to say I diggled myself.
But I love that that scene between them is great.
And I like the fact that Flox draws attention to
the fact that he feels at times quite alone on
the ship because he needs a nobulance and and and.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
That yes, he's also very it's a it's a very clear,
good example of the differences in their races and in
the way in which that they, you know, Flocks as
a Denobulan and uh to Paul as a Bulkan express
the import of what they're doing. M and you know,
(08:13):
and I and it's it's a very good example. And
I think that that it's a it's a it's it
begins an arc that that to Paul, played by Joelene
carries throughout the entire series. And it's the first time
I believe that it's it's addressed in a way that
you know, you get your foot in your mouth.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Mm hmmm mmm. Yeah, she's and she's and she's had
to say. The more I watch her, the more you
see going on that that wasn't maybe evident in the
debt on the day, but it's all there on the screen.
And yeah, there's some very witty bits. I mean, you
(08:52):
forget that we smell dreadful to Vulcans. I know, I'd
forgotten that. There's that scene looks like, you know, Archers
sharing the blanket and she's.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Like, I haven't had my I haven't had my neurospray
for twenty four hours.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, it was well, they're amusing.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But as we start the episode, uh, you know, we
we we walk into a scenario where you know, we're
going to potentially look at another element of Vulcan life, right,
and then we get news that they maybe I forget
(09:31):
the term, yeah, colinar where they're all silent.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, I mean they're all they are in peaceful meditation
most of the time. But colinar Is is the particular sort.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Of recific yes, and it's a specific area and and
to be there is a very pagem thing pagem and
and I and uh and then we're kind of like,
all right, what the hell, let's go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So I know there is that sort of u slightly
ghost you know, assitude that we can just drop in.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
You know, that's what emission is all about, isn't he
just say hi? Just say high?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You know, which is just a visit. I love it
is a Canadian visit, right only to find that the
doors are bashed in and she she she.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Loved that scene. I love that scene when when we
all walk in and there's what's his name? Is that
the guy who you were mentioning earlier, the actor h
then the the Vulcan, the Vulcan leader of the Yeah,
they had.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
No that's I forget his I forget his name. He
was lovely though, wasn't.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
He He was great. He had a great presence. And
uh and and then you know, we're sitting there kind
of going, hmm, well, all right, well this was cool.
What's that broken thing? And then uh, you know the
fact that there's there should be more people there, and
(11:01):
it becomes clear that something's going on. And what I
also love about this in the entirety of the episode
is that we find out later that we'll get into
is that the Andorians have a reason for this, and
a very real one that we discover, which I think
(11:24):
also creates more tension and for you know, our relationship
with the Balkans and Paul.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I remember when we first chatted with Jeff on the
prior iteration of this show. I remember him saying distinctly
that he his sort of background story for the Andorian
relationship with the Valcans was much like the Ira Apropos,
(11:56):
the British occupation of Ulster. They were under sub subjugated
by you know, uh, a power with greater technology, greater advancement,
which is you know, what the Vulcans were to the Andorians,
and that they were freedom fighters in a way. They
were trying to you know, you know, just you know,
(12:16):
find their way against this this overpowering menace. Clearly. I
mean the Vulcans, you know, they kept they kept the
humans at bay Uh for some time, and now we
find out that they're also doing this to the Andorians.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And and not to give any sort of sense other
than you know, what what I can say from myself
is an association is like, you know, the the Vulcan
set up, it was very Chinese, very very Asian, very very.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Something that was you know, was monastic, wasn't it Tibetan monastic?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you know, very secretive, very and I'm
not not to say that that's a Chinese thing. But
you know there's a there's a political bent to this
entire thing that we can all make sort of the
same day associations.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
With no kidding. Yeah, yeah, Well, as it turns out,
as we know, I mean, yes, they the Andans had
every suspicion that suspicions were duly recognized.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
And yeah, I just understand about that, is that how
if if if the Enterprise or the Andorrian vessel had
the kind of technology I think they had, if you
wouldn't be able to go like, hey, by the way,
you downstairs.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, there's a lot of that's a lot going on, Yeah, yeah,
there are. They could they could detect, Yes, when when
Malcolm arrives, they could detect three more life signs on
the on the planet. But they couldn't figure out I
wasn't there this like four story you know really, but
maybe it was just well insulated with you know, with lead, Yeah,
(14:10):
with lead. So Malcolm gets this captain moment, which I
was a bit nervous about, I could tell, bless me,
and I almost pulled it off. I mean I sort of,
I mean I did, Yeah, I was. I could have
been a bit more.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
That's the word just.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Grounded. I think, yeah, slightly, I think I was.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I would disagree with you. I think that, you know,
the reality being that, you know, the army officer comes
in to sit in the captain's chair, would not know
what that's like.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Well agreed, okay, then the fair enough. Yeah, then maybe
my because it was good. This is early on and
you know, Roxanne was you know, I mean, god bless
at that time she kind of I mean not that
many directors looked at perform moments particularly, but she and
she especially at that time in her first episode, was
(15:06):
very focused and you know, just raise it on just
shots and getting her day. And I do remember that.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I think it was one of the you know, this
is what episode seven?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, and actual yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
The technology you know, I will say that, you know her,
I don't think she'd had a lot of experience having
done more than you know, some episodes of Voyager. I
don't know how much she'd directed prior to that episode.
In fact, I thought that rox Sante's episode was one
(15:46):
later on and it was this one. And I remember
thinking this watching this this morning, that her work with
Marvin and the way that the way in which they
suddenly moved the camera to in sure there's a three
you know, there were there were three people or there
was uh and by the way, for a first time
(16:11):
director on our show to have the requirement of I
mean there's what, there's four Endorians.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
There's a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, four of us. Sometimes there's eleven of us.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah there is. And well that too, there's a lot
of coverage.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah. And I thought that she seamlessly managed that.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I thought that she did. She was very well prepared.
I remember she had a boulder this thick and uh. Yeah,
she had you know, a whole sort of you know,
what do you call it? Bible of shots.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And binder and she had a three hole binder. That
was she did.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
She did she And in some ways it was you know,
and you just you kind of go, well why am
I doing that? And uh, you your your adage is always, well,
I'll go and get a bit of I'll go get
some nuts from over there.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
It was like get a bag of peanuts.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah and yeah, but you have to fit in with her, Yeah,
with her shot making that she'd already figured out this
is how it's gonna.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Also appreciated that that that she recognized, and I think
this is one of the first episodes where some sort
of just light character nuance played in For instance, Linda
in the first part she's kind of like, well, maybe
they're just trying to find out what's going on down there. Yeah, right,
(17:37):
And and there are moments where she leaves the camera
on a reaction that I thought was it was really good.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, yeah, I'm brave if you will, because the the
temptation is is to move quickly to the next active scene. Yeah, agreed, right.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And there were so many people, so, I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
The coverage was and I looked at that, particularly the
the the hostage room. I mean it was just stacked
full of people, eleven of us. And to make sense
of that, the geography of that is always don.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Tell that story visually. Is is not an easy task.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
No, and God bless I mean Marvin rush our DP,
I mean he held her hands a lot, I know,
and uh yeah, I remember them, you know, huddling in
the corner a lot and and him saying, well, you
know you need to get that, you need to get this,
and he's you know, that's when you need a really
(18:34):
good DP, when you you've got that all that experience
that he can see this, you know what what the
editor is going to need to make sense of making this.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Well, imagine what it's like to come in. I granted,
you know it is still a star a Star Trek show,
but to come in and to recognize and understand the
tone of something that you're making and what it's meant
to look like. And and and I think that they
they had a really symbiotic relationship with that and and
work well together. Yeah. I remember thinking, you know, at
(19:09):
the moment, this was our first time with the first
time director of our show, you know, and there's this
sort of like you know, all right, do you think
coming into our ground exactly?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I like this is and this is also Malcolm sort
of first you know, foray into being the action man
where you know he has to go and rescue the captain.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Wait a minute, wait a minute. You jumped over a
log very well in the previous episode.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Oh I did, I did, I did. I was a
very I was very proud of that. I look very nimble, nimble.
But yeah, I quite enjoyed being the action man. And
and that's of all that stuff you've got going down
into the catacombs. Uh, and and seeing Hadakh, who's the
(20:08):
founder of the monastery, and all the elders and the immortalized.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Who fells it's so disrespectfully disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
It is, it's very it's very right.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Literally, almost every reaction I.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Have, it's kind of like it's a bit yeah, it's
a bit like really, you know, and it's every day.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And I really think that that did a disservice to
it being dangerous, right right, I do? I do?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah the light Yeah, I hear you, I mean, did
you Yeah? I mean it's funny because did you ever
think to play it a different way? Or it was
written that way? Really, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
At the moment I was at that time on the show,
I feel as though I was meant to be relatively
sort of insensitive two scenarios like and this was a
good example of that. Yeah, it changed later, but but
at that you know, I was kind of like diy
slapping he ha. Yeah, and and like I said, you know,
(21:19):
catchphrase this and that and and I and I think
that when I watched this this morning, that you know,
I thought that there was we could have gotten more
out of that than than I did.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Or yeah, maybe you know you're exactly your your experience
of going through those sacred catacombs could have been could
have been just deeper, you know, and you would have
had a hate You could have used the word you
could have said hey, fellows, but said it in a
much in a in a very different tone, more respectful, yeah, kidding.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
And I wasn't at any point in that, even with
the Vulcans, with the Andorians, I was This is one
of the things that that drives me crazy about watching
some of the things that I've done, you know, as
an example, you know, with uh Stargate Atlantis, there were
times in which, also with Enterprise, that I thought that,
(22:17):
you know, it's very easy to give a catchphrase, it's
very difficult to make a catchphrase land and I found
myself watching this going like, you know, there was an
opportunity there too, not just be.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
A yeah, could you do it? Let's exactly do no
do dinch.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
When she's off stage she's in awful but on stage yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
But also and I would I will say that I
thought that everyone in that episode, all of the other
guest stars, oh good.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, really yeah, they were very convicted. Just they were
utterly grounded and convincing.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, and it's the first time we ever meet Jeff.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yes, God bless and you know, obviously he'd had you know,
he'd been around numerous times on other iterations of the shows.
And I wonder what that was like for him. I
forget if we talked about that for him coming into
our cast. I think we were an inviting cast, we
uh and and respectful cast like that, and we certainly
(23:43):
got the tone from Scott that you know, you were first,
first foot forward, hand out. But it must have been
I mean, I wonder what Jeff felt, and this was
a good part for him. And I remember, you know,
the moving antenna's was a big I mean they enter
one of those guys off to the side with the
with the sort of PlayStation monitors, you know, like drones
(24:07):
like moving them around. They did squeak. He probably had
to loop a d M most of his performance, you
know what I was.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
It's funny you say that, because I was watching this
and I felt as though, because you can as an actor,
having done this for a long time, you can kind
of tell when your scene has been looped.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, And and I felt like I felt like most
scenes with the ians were that way say, well, uh,
not even close. I think any time that.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
You know, the antenna moved, it tends to They tended
not to move too much in the wides. It was
when he had a close up that they were and
he got agitated particularly or suspicious. Then they'd start moving
and uh yeah, and I heard that. I guess you
can a always hear the Oh yeah, it's a funny thing.
It's like, you know, so audience think about it this way.
(25:06):
So the idea is that you have.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
A scene with say three or four people, and you're operating,
and you've done your work to what the scene's conclusion
is meant to be, and then in the meantime, when
you're in that scene, you hear this and it throws
you in a way, and that that was interesting. It's
(25:32):
one of those it's it's you know, it's like an
acting class when they say, you know, okay, well here's
your scene, but we're going to throw in that you're
in a hurricane, right, yeah, now play it not play Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
It's it's suddenly it's a very different scene.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
And it's amazing when you are on stage or in
the scene on set. I mean, you can hear a
pin drop, you know, twenty five feet away, and it'll
put you off. You know, it's amazing what takes you
out of the moment, particularly if you've got quite a
lot to say, or you know, you know, when they
(26:12):
when they when they call action and suddenly it's like, Okay,
the camera's on you and this is you know, it's
all and this is the world and this is the
world exactly, and yeah, it's Yeah. I used to get
quite agitated when you'd hear noises off, you know as
it were, and like, you know, could everyone shut up please,
(26:33):
I'm trying to concentrate here, but yeah, Jeff, but they were.
They were great, the Andorians. And I also think the other.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Thing too, is that that, you know, especially in this episode,
as ever call we didn't meet them as people they've
been there at five o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
No, exactly, No, we didn't. We met them all as
blue blue faces with with with with antenna agreed.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, I remember having really good conversations with one of
them and over the course of the week and saying
to him, man, I have no idea what you actually
look like, you know, no idea.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Actually I'm rather handsome exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I don't have quite the high forehead.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Talking of looping, I was telling this story to my
fiance the other day, Sarah. I once went in, I
think we've done this episode when when the Captain does
that fireman's lift down the armory stairs and lands with
me and Anthony and I got into do some looping,
and they'd left some Easter eggs for me, and one
of which was when he when Scott lands and Anthony's
(27:53):
kneeling down next to me tinkering with some you know, pads,
and he turned around, Oh captain, you scared me.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And then there was we're under attacked by some some
other you know, alien force and the ship was getting
blown apart, and they cut around the ship to the
different reactions, and it went to you and I think
you left with like you like what the Then it
went to Linda and she goes and then it went
(28:22):
it went out to Jolie and she happened to be
going like that bag my head.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
So the audience knows what this is like. So we
record the episode. We filmed the episode, and then they
determined based on ambient noise or whatever that's going on,
and we all go into separately. Yes, you are on
particular tracks. We go in separately to this big room, yeh,
(28:50):
big studio screen direct The producer was Steve.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Steve oh well, Wilkie.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Steve Welke, Yes, Steve Welke, and he was thank you
so good at this, and and he would allow these
sort of you know, to come in. But the reality
is is that so you walk in and you've got
an hour setup for yourself to do your looping, your
a d R. And there's you and with a with
(29:19):
a microphone. There's a music stand and then there's like
three or four microphones further along. And then so what
they do then in the producer's booth is that they
give you the scene and you see the scene and
you kind of, you know, mouth what you're supposed to say.
(29:40):
You've got the lines on this music stand and then
and then they do beep beep, beep, go go. Yeah,
And that's how you loop it, and you have to
find a way to put yourself back in the scenario.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Of the scene. Yeah. It's an interesting thing, and some
are good and some are not so good.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, And I loved looping. I loved looping. I loved
doing that.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I sometimes I've made a performance way better. I know that, like,
and I I can actually hear bits that they didn't
want looping. I'm like, let's come back and get that
bit too. I could do that, but I could do
that better.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
I can tell in almost every film I see when
it's looped right one by the environment. Right, Like for instance,
when I was watching, Oh, what's that great movie about
World War One nineteen seventeen.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Seventeen, the one shot film Menendez did. Yeah, the Salmans
did it.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, they looped that whole thing.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Dyta must have done.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, of course, Yeah, the environment, because what you have
is especially how much movement going on putting outside or
you've got movement happening you, there's no way in which
you can make that sound on right. Well. Now it's
a huge part of our business.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah it is. Yeah, I quite I enjoyed it. I
and uh yeah, and often, as I say, I've made
my performances way better in the In the studio, it's
quite daunting initially, uh, just the the dance of it.
And but once you get used to you just it's
(31:24):
like jumping. It's like jumping off. It's like it's like
jumping off the tightrope and just going, you know, I'll
fall safely, you know, and have a go and on
that third beat, just do it. And I found it
better to not look at the screen, just get the
pace to get that. Yeah, don't try and even match
(31:45):
it up with just get the cadence and the rhythm
and the timing of the speech.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
The rhythm is the key, isn't it. The rhythm is
is that you have to nail the rhythm down of
what you did before. And there were sometimes where I
was like, you talk too fast?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Right, Yeah, that's uh, I know sometimes Yeah, we do
do that as actors. Where are we in the in
the show? So, so Malcolm arrives and we're we're sequestered away.
We've you've you've since found out that there's a direct
route from the catacombs to the sort of room where
(32:21):
the Andorians are holding Well, I passed that little icon, yes,
the the the icon, Yeah, And I go back and
I find it and and that leads Malcolm to understand
that he can blow the the jass out of that
stone face in the room that the Andorians are using
(32:41):
as their HQ.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
And that was that was very seventies kind of as silly.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Experience, wasn't it. It was very Maguyyah. Yeah, it was
a good stunt because I think Jeff actually probably did that.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
It looked like he did, you know, yeah, probably, But
I mean I do want to back up a little
bit about to Jeff. I mean when he shows up,
man he owned shrand, Yeah I did. And uh, you
know he was dangerous, Yeah he is.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
And he's got a great voice and he uses his
voice really subtly and well and yeah, it's a it's
a it's a terrific performance and uh and it really
plays out at the end when you know, he realizes
that the humans have helped him, no, no end and
I'm in your debt. Is it's a it's a very
(33:37):
it's a it's a good moment and uh, it's it
sets up a you know, watch this space for you know,
I'm coming back and there's there's you know, by the way,
the most experienced actor in those scenes in Star Trek
was Jeff Combs.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, no kidding, hands down. Yeah, he'd done so many
characters from you know, Voyager and Deep Space nine that
he was He was definitely And it was funny. I
remember I remember thinking when I when When I saw
him do the first scene, I was like, oh, all right,
(34:15):
we got to put your hat on then, all.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Right, yeah, well yeah there's there's a guy here.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
We've got a guy who's really going for it. That
was great.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, experience. I like the I like the the the
the the I mean the the the c g I
of the actual you know, sensor array that they're hiding
is quite well done, I mean for its time, and
it must have cost quite a bit of money, you know,
(34:45):
and it's do you remember when those those scenes we
used to they used to have to step out onto
a landing that they built and look out into a
green screen and that's all we got. And yeah, and
uh so you.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Can see the episode and go oh.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I'd always find that the hardest, you know, the hardest
acting we ever did was was that pretend acting. You know,
give me a five page scene with another actor any day,
But asked me to do a reaction shot to a
you know, a censor array five stories tall, and you're like, well,
what face is that? You know? I mean, move yeah,
(35:23):
you don't know, you don't know, you don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
What you're looking at or what what you're going to
see on the episode of what you're looking at.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
And that's where you've got to trust the director that
they're looking at that reaction shot and they're going, No,
that's gonna that's going to be fine.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I do remember one particular scene. It's it's when we
get the torches lit.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Oh, I because I moved it away and I was like,
don't light your hair on fire. Going I saw that
faced the slight fear of the I didn't know that.
I mean, that was that was some business. He wasn't.
(36:08):
Really we got nothing like businesses there for an actor.
It's like you are, I got a chew gum and
speak at the same time. Oh no.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Walking through those those caves, which we used over and over.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
And over again, and they got a lot of use.
The walkways, yeah, God bless. Yeah, they were in what
we were watching trying to think the other day. Yeah,
the Terra Nova they started and yeah they were I
bet they've been. I mean they just they just kept
those and wheeled them in. God bless and yeah, but
(36:50):
business with the torch. What do you think of that
scene between Joe Lene and uh and Scott when she's
freezing and you know the blanket. It's rather the tender actually,
and uh I liked it.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
I did too. I mean, you know, this was moments
where I thought, and this was what our show was doing.
I think initially was having that kind of uncertain possibility
of them having a relationship.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Right, Yeah, I'd forgotten that that was still they hadn't decided,
had they.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
No, not not then not by that point. No, And
and and also, uh, you know, it's one of the
last times I remember that there's this whole notion that
we'd smell badly to them.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't. I can't remember it. We'll
see as we go forward, but I don't remember it
coming up quite so again so distinctly.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, and it's a it's a it's a it's a
lovely scene. And uh, you know, I think that there
was mileage there that they made not have mind mind
with with with that because look, I mean, you know,
(38:10):
minus the wig, there was no taking your eyes off Joline.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
No, no, it's good looking. Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I and I know that in the first at least
season and maybe this into the second season, you know,
they were toying with the idea. I mean, clearly we
will see it more that that that there may have
been some sort of tension slash possibility of a relationship
between the captain and to Paul, and then that shifted
(38:42):
over to trip.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, and probably rightfully so really in a way, I mean,
it would have tied them into a corner that they
didn't need to say, stay stuck in.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, I agree, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
You know it would have diminished somehow it was. It
would have diminished Scott's role as the captain. I think
if they'd given it, Yeah, they couldn't make it meaningless.
It would have to be meaningful, right, yeah, and better?
And look, you know I was thinking, God, no, Scott
was fifty pretty much close to fifty when he started
shooting that show. A man, he was throwing himself around
(39:21):
in those fight scenes and the beat up scenes.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
And he got his ass kicked in this episode. He
got his ass kicked in this episode. And he God,
he did a lot of that stuff himself. Vince Dierdrick
was his stunt guy, wasn't he And he was like
two thirds of size?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
But yeah, no kidding, And yeah, I mean we said
when he came on the show, and then I said
to himself, I remember celebrating his fiftieth birthday and thinking, oh, well,
that's all. Look at us now, I look at us now,
(39:58):
fifty fifty.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I loved fifty.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
He was in such good shape.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
And uh, you know, I also think that that this
was a good episode for Scott's character as Archer in
terms of like evaluating an environment. You know, he you know,
Archer really wants to go down and explore this just
(40:25):
to say hi, and and realizes that something's going on,
and then he makes sure that he he makes sure
that he is responsible for the actions that he's done.
(40:45):
And I think that's very interesting. It's it's it's a
you know, he takes responsibility for one thing, and then
when it becomes clear that the Vulcans are definitely doing something,
you know, he's a fair actor.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yes, indeed, and clearly you know, I mean, the God
blessed the monks. They've been lying bare face to us
since we got there. They can't not have known that
this was, you know, directly happening under their feet, of course,
so you know, and yeah, you're right. I mean I
like that about the episode that that it's he maintains
(41:27):
that it's now it's our job to somehow make this
fair and square.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
And interestingly also Archer sides with as you know, a
fair play act. He sides with the Andorians. Yeah, you know,
in the meantime he doesn't even know them, no, And
he also has had a relationship with the Balkans who
(41:55):
have done this, that or the other thing, but this history.
At the end, in the end, he basically says, you know, yeah,
there's a reason we don't trust them, and it is
we're right. And Shran says, you know, we're in your debt,
and that plays out for the rest of our show.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, and it's said in a way the the the
we're in your debt. It's said, it's said with with sincerity,
but it's also said with menace in a way. Yeah,
you know, I shall somehow I'm gonna repay this debt
and then we're and then we're done. Yeah, I don't
like being in your debt.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
And I'll kill you all. Yeah. Right, uh, wonderful, you know,
I I you know, I want to reiterate how how
how great it was to introduce Jeffrey Combs as Shran,
who became, over the course of our series such an
(42:54):
important character, to the point where this maybe rumor there's
maybe true to it that they had considered or we're
going to make Shran a series regular in season five.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Wow. But it doesn't surprise me. And I think Manny
certainly loved the idea of the end of Jeff being
a main character, and that would have been that's too bad.
I know. You know, when they do the rat pack
stuff at the conventions, they have a song about the
third season when the Zindi came in and they and
Vaughan and Jeff didn't get did you know they weren't
(43:31):
featured because we went off, we went off in another
direction and much to their you know, chagrin. Yeah, there's
a they do a nice little dissy about, you know,
Buck the Zindy.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
I mean, it's funny. We were in San Francisco just
what was it, three weeks ago, and we're sitting there.
There was this lovely guy who provided just extra ordinary wines. Yeah,
and Jeff had come out and by the way, I'm
(44:07):
building this up because it's the same thing I hear
all the time. It was like, you guys should have
gone five seasons or seven seasons. And I remember sitting
there having a glass of amazing wine and Jeff sits
down and he just sits back and goes, we should
have gone five. And I was like, you two, I've
(44:29):
done this all day long. You gotta get me a break. Yeah,
I agree, but you know what, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
We were, we were, we were, we were Yeah, hoisted
on Julie. It's too bad. We had at least five
or six in us, that's for sure, especially with Manny.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah, you know, I think that I think that what
we did do is worthy of pride and praise.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
No a great yeah, ltly very proud of what we did.
What else? So I'm just trying to think it through
to the end now. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
So well, you know, they they open up, they turn
the head and it all shows up.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Amazing sex, weren't they. I mean just when you when
you think of the yeah, the stuff that they built,
uh literally.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
It boggles my mind how someone in because you have
to remember that when you're writing, especially the beginning of
a series. I think you know, you're doing episode, episode, episode, episode,
and the the minute show with when wherein they are
(45:47):
determining how our show is going to go forward. But
the things that they did one, you know, flocks being
who we as used it in the can and share
me saying just like well Philvier tires higher, Uh, you know,
(46:09):
Scott being archer, archer really holding on to his ethos
of what it means to be who we are and
what we're doing, and Scloras and yeah, Paul and to
Paul really holding on to her vulcanness, I mean back
against that.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
That's a really good episode. And we're we're very quickly
into our first season.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Yeah. Yeah. And and as you say that, there are
these little incidents in each teleplay that that just slightly
flesh out each character a little more each time, and
who they are and the relationship they have with one
another and to their mission.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
And uh, one thing one thing about that that I realized,
So as a boomer, Mayweather not knowing who Andorians are, like.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
He should have known, right, yeah, in the in the
law of it all, you mean, yeah, yeah, right right, yeah, yeah,
Well and I think, yeah, ultimately, to go back to
rock Stand, she did a really good job and.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
She contested a job.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
Yeah, it was well, she was so nervous, I could
you could. I mean, she was very very thoroughly prepared,
but there was you know, there was definitely you know,
this is this and nice look as we since now
she's gone on to have a stellar.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Career, dollar career, And I remember early on, you know,
she was like, you know, you know because a lot
of times what directors do often is that they'll have
they'll they'll script it out there, they'll write it out,
they'll they'll make an image of what they're scene is
supposed to look like a storyboard it, yeah, storyboard it
from from place to place to place. And I've said
(47:58):
this before. I remember her like, Okay, Connor, when Archer
says this, I need you to walk over there. I
was like, well why and she goes, kind I need
you to walk over there, and I.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Went, oh, it's in the book.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
I want to go get a bag of peanuts and
she goes, yes, go no bag. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
And I liked it in some ways. I mean I
liked some of her direction in that respect that we
you know, it did move scenes around, and she had
an idea of how the camera was going to follow you,
and it was a bit It's a bit like doing
a play, isn't it. You know, It's like, you don't
you can't just stay sat in the chair as much
as you'd like to for the entire scene, you've got
(48:50):
to get up at some point.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
And move around because you know, otherwise it's well, that's
one of the great things about this episode, and I
think that we'll see further on about her work, is
that she continues to keep things even slightly you know,
quite It starts off with one person on a close up,
and then you shift into it and then you've got
(49:13):
a three shot. Yeah, and no, you know, I think
that it was it's it's it's a good schooling of
a director, especially my god, when having, like I said,
so many actors in a room.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yeah, it's daunting when you Yeah, exactly, it's very daunting
because it's like, you know, and you've got to lay
out the geography of that and you know, for a
long time, it always just befuddled me, the crossing the
line thing, you know, it's it was like it was
like like math to me. It was like, what are
you talking about? I mean, just point the camera. Yeah,
(49:55):
but you're looking the wrong way. Now it looks like
you were looking at them over here, now you going
at them over there.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
It's it's standing when you're in the scene, to be
able to stand outside of the scene and see it
from their perspective is not easy.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
It's almost like looking above it and looking it is.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, and there's a line through it. Apparently, dinner tables
are the worst. If you presented with a dinner table scene,
it's like, oh god, where's everyone sitting? Who are they?
How are they looking at each other?
Speaker 2 (50:28):
How dinner?
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Yeah? Yeah, well you've got twelve people at the dinner table.
It's like, geez, that's going to be a tough one.
All right, Well that was a good chat about I
can't think of is there anything else you can think of?
Speaker 2 (50:47):
No?
Speaker 1 (50:50):
No, I like it. It's a good episode.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yeah, And it was in my mind, Shadows of the Gem.
That's what it's called. Right, is the first episode.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
And incident sorry it's called Yeah, there's another.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
And the enduring incident is the first episode where we
are actually on our way.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah, true it is. And yeah, and we've we've sort
of we we have we've we've drawn our line and
this is our course and right and and I and
I guess you know that that sort of hokiness and
you know, thigh slapping stuff at the beginning is all
part of you know, Yeah, our first faltering steps into
(51:42):
the into a new world. Yeah, as humans, you know,
have money, we'll travel.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, and I can literally take ten screen shots of
me just kind of going.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Like, yeah, it's brilliant. Let y'all catfish down there. That's right.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
If you're out of gas, go to the gas tank,
go to the door.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
All right, it's been a fun onne.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Take care of your finger.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Yeah, and look at that, lads, look at everyone.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
It's funny how it disappeared. It disappears because your background
is gray. It looks like you lost your finger entirely.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Look at that. That's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
It's gone. Yeah, all right, love you guys, Thank you
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