Ep. 7

Kev & Nate catch up & shoot the shit, touching on new baby, what it feels like for city boys to re-visit their roots, graffiti culture, branch covidians, etc. Stay tuned for our next guest Tyler Roberts! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Boom Dad Pod Episode seven, Episode seven, No guests this week,
just me and Nate here here at Waterworks, sitting in
the island versus studios at Waterworks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Galaxy galaxy, oh.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Gallery kind of feels like a little galaxy out here.
But you know, coming on the island. I just got back,
went down to Seattle for the weekend to to parade
around the new baby, Sochi meet, meet the grandparents, meet
one of their one of their uncles, and just you know,
meet their two older brothers down there, and like, it's

(00:40):
good coming back, man, it is nice coming back. And
you would have told me that five years ago to
be like, yo, you're out of your mind. You're this
is you know. And I used to work you know,
I worked with a bunch of cats that lived outside
of the city. Like the idea of living in Seattle
was like not on their radar, you know, city folks,

(01:00):
blah blah blah blah blah. Iest like, man, you guys,
fucking country fools. Man, what am I going to do
out here? What am I going to do out here?
And in Monroe or Concrete or Arlington. And now it's like, man,
I don't really I like popping in and out of Seattle,
and we did the we kind of had it. We
had to run some errands when we got to violence,

(01:21):
we got the traffic. Yeah, and Cato and Remy are
just like, what is this? What is it? Why? Why
does it take? You know, Grandma flies up here, that's
the way to do it. And it's like, yeah, man,
it's gets kind of the way to do it. But
then you're you know, paying a bunch of money and
you know, which I guess was a time wise man.

(01:43):
It took fucking forever.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well that's the thing, Like, is it worth it to
pay one hundred and fifty bucks to cut her time?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Like yeah, per yeah, it gets rough.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, no, thank you man. Like we just tried to
do that early boat. You know, we try to do
that early boat whenever we can. We tried to get
off at the first boat and then and then I
mean you're in Seattle by like nine o'clock. Yeah, you know,
no traffic, and then we come back. It's kind of
the same thing, but we try to get that like
ten out of end of chordus leave Seattle at like
seven am and just breeze through downtown. Yeah, but you know,

(02:18):
it was kind of cool man. It was. It was
cool to get out there and see everybody and you know,
see the people. Got to spend spend some time with
my older boys, which are just cool dudes, you know. Like, yeah, Ronan,
he's got he's going to be displaying art at Belton
Art Walk coming up April. I think it's April eleventh,

(02:39):
so we're gonna go back to the town he's doing.
It's funny, man, he's doing displaying three pieces at this
gallery from just like some older graffiti writers, you know,
like some o G graffiti writer dudes that he's met
while doing graffiti and just like in that in that world,
you know. And then he like casually dropped that he's
going to be having art at the Seattle Art Museum again,

(03:00):
you know, just like his third year. You know, they
take high school kids and they they put them up
and they have a gallery. I can't remember the name
of the gallery at the SAM, but it's the one
right there in the front, and they bring it's all
like high school, middle school kids from I don't know
if it's just from Seattle Public schools or from Washington,
but like it's kind of a cool deal, you know,

(03:21):
like i'd never really been to the sam before. Yeah,
you know, like it was always just there and we'd
catch the bus across the street, you know what I mean.
But we never we never went in, but it was
cool to see how many one it's still how many
people are doing art, like how many young people are
still doing art. And then you see the parents there
that like a lot of them you can tell are

(03:43):
collectors and the artists themselves, which like it's still pretty rad.
But yeah, it was just cool to fucking chill with
those guys and like went out to Geraldine's Columbia City
for breakfast and like, man, just gotta yet, just do
all that, man, cause like having the little baby, little
baby girl now is like kind of a trip, you know,

(04:03):
like with those dudes down there, like that was their
first time meeting her, you know, like yeah it was
it was a trip, man, but it was a it's
a good time. Now we're back back on up man
after being sick for.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
A while, and yeah, you guys got laid out.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Oh bro, it was it was terrible, man, it was Uh,
it was funny. I was talking to a friend of mine.
I was like, yo, I don't care what people say
COVID is real, and I think we talked about it,
like now, the efficiency of the vaccination and its prevention
of COVID and the spread highly debatable. But the virus,

(04:40):
you know, the the illness or the virus itself. Bro,
I'd never I'd never been sick like that. I mean
just straight up laid out from like Sunday, right after
we saw you at Yes, you and your boys at
Finlandson came home and it was just like, oh, that's it, man,
that's a wrap. We're not doing We're not doing anything.
I didn't leave my house from probably I think I

(05:02):
had left my house Wednesday, right. It was just laid
up from Sunday to Wednesday. And then it was like
I'm going back to the gym, and you know, the
people need me, you know, and just realizing like the
fuck they do, you know what I mean, Like I'm
not even here, you know it might need me.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I'm dead.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, I know. Ones where it's like go and like
sit on the box, you know what i mean and
just kind of like be there or allow things to
just kind of kind of happen, you know that people.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Think, well we texted about this, like yeah, people step
like Sawyer in the five thirty had no problem sliding
in Janay and Cole for my class, like had no
problem you know, leading and taking the reins and like
like you were saying, that's the culture that it promotes.
And then you know, you got about four days without
you and it was like, oh, okay, it's just me

(05:58):
and Kathleen.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
In class this morning and no music or might be
the maxim you.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, but it was cool man, because like everybody, everybody's
still going, you know what I mean. Like it was
one of those ones where like you had the moment
of really being in not only in a small community
like an island community, like a small town, but like
a community within a community of like the amount of
people that texted me and we're like, hey, man, I

(06:26):
hope you're feeling better housed the family. It was like
kind of shocking, to be honest with you, you know, like
I think about I mean that it's never happened before, right,
Like you're you miss work, you're sick from working, knowing
you fuck yeah, you know what I mean, Like whatever,
like in here, it's like people are like genuinely you know,

(06:47):
it was it was really cool, man. It was really
again one of those moments where it's like, oh, this
is this is what it's like to be in a community.
That's that community, you know, and it's still still kind
of an adjustment meant to get to at times, you know,
and it's like you don't want to do nothing, you
don't want to see nobody, you know, like and then

(07:09):
just trying to navigate navigate all that. But yeah, man,
we were we were laid we were laid up. Man.
Right after the open too, it.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Was was that the first time you guys had had COVID.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
I think I'd had COVID, you know, like years ago,
Like I think what I don't know with a variant
or you know something.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Whereas when it first dropped from yeah yeah, when the
album dropped, Yeah, it was like it was, you know,
it's one of those ones where like if you know,
if you're.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
You know when you're sick, you know what a flu is,
you know what a cold is, you know what I mean,
And like it was this one was as different, man,
it was like all of them. It was every symptom
that you could think of, and then then you can't
taste anything, you know, And that's the one, Like I
was tripping out of I had insomnia, you know, I'm
just tripping out of it. Like, now, if I was

(08:02):
to take over a country, I would give everybody this
and just incapacitate the entire population of people, you know,
and like because it's like, well.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Didn't they just confirm that it was leaked from a
lab like officially confirmed.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, all of it doesn't. I don't want to say all,
but it does seem that most of the theories that
people had that were skeptical of the the vaccine and
the approach to ah, well, what was it, what was

(08:38):
the what did they propagandaist something with the curve?

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Get out in the curve, flatten the Curveeah.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
It seems like a lot of the people that about
it were like it's starting to come out. We're like,
oh man, they're they weren't really wrong, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
At least weren't dangerous crazy people. Yeah, they're just you know,
it's like my whole thing. I was like, I was like, dude,
I'm all I'm trying to say is like I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna die on the hill of like
it was from a lab and fucking you know, like
I don't care about gain and function.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I don't care about none of that.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Like, all I'm saying is, as a thirty some year
old brown person, I have never trusted the government to
care about my safety. And so when somebody I have
seen do wild shit, who's never fucked with me before,
never cared about me before, suddenly is like.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I care about you so much, you have to do this.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
It's for your own good.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
No, hold, that's that's I felt like that was street smarts,
and that that's why I was so surprised that so
many of my not I guess not surprised by some
of them, but I was like some of you I
thought had more street smarts than that. Like it just
felt fucked up. It felt off, and I was like,
I don't trust it.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
And if I've learned anything and this.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Time, like, I do trust my instincts, I trust my intuition,
I trust my pattern recognition skills, and that was it.
That was my whole thing. And then people got all
you know wild with.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
The wild wild man, I mean.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Calling people out in public and like online talking about
like you non vaxxers should be shot.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Or like yeah, why don't we Yeah, on a second,
like you know, and that's one of the ones where
it's like I can't can't forget that, no, d you know,
like because I was also trying. I was in the
same boat. Man. It was for me. It was one
of those ones where like I've always kind of had
a healthy distrust for authority for that, you know, just

(10:48):
authority and just the people that have it, why they
have it, how they use.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
It, why they want it.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
So yeah, yeah, man, And so it was like this
was one of the ones where was like, it was
this is this It is this the start of the
all of the hope that we are wrong with our
assumptions that we are just being kind of hurded and
guided to live and consume in this certain type of way.

(11:17):
It really seems like this is the one where I
kind of like they're laughing at us to see how silly.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
We can be and to see what they can get
away with.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
And it was the same with nine to eleven, Like,
no matter what you believe about nine to eleven, like
the Patriot Act and the following the following grasping of
power and insertion of intellig terror, you know what I mean,
It's like those are those are powers that you give
to governments that you will never get back, like you

(11:47):
will never we will never go back to.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Airport life pre nine to eleven, you know, like we'll.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Never go back to pre COVID times, you know what
I mean? Like everyone now still like just got back
from being sick, right pre COVID the day I'm feeling better,
I'm back.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, right, but.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Now gotta kind of okay, do I Some people are
still really COVID sensitive, right, Like some people are still
getting tested, people are masking.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
There's it's a whole deal.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
And it's like, and I was kind of in the
same boat with you, of like, man, if that's what
you want to do, if that's how you want to
take this approach to your life, great, Yeah, but don't
fucking tell me what I gotta do, right, especially when
it comes to and I'm not the epitome of health

(12:41):
and wellness. I'm not. I do things to try to
prolong my ability to live the way I want to live.
But like when someone who is seventy to ninety pounds
overweight hasn't had a sustained heart rate above maybe one ten,

(13:02):
one twenty, is telling me what I need to do,
like to be safe and healthy, it's like wait, wait
a second, man, why why would I listen to you? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (13:13):
And why and why why are you able to tell
me that your interventions in health, whether it's masking or vaccine,
like you know, drawing on the kind of all encompassing
power of like the science. Yeah, the white coat people
told like, shout out to science, Shout out to the
scientific method, shout out to research, shout out to clinical trial.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Shout out to all that.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
But like yeah, if if my intervention for health is nutrition, exercise,
spiritual wellness, like anything anything that is full encompassing of
what it is to be human, you know, yeah, Like okay,
why why are you able to tell me that wearing
a mask that's not even built for you know what

(14:00):
I mean? Yeah, you know, if you're wearing a surgical mask,
like okay, you.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Know maybe then you know, that's like a maybe and that's.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
And like for masking, like sure, it's common sense tells
me that if you put something over.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Your mouth, you're not gonna be spitting out, you know
what I mean? That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, But like in the in the context of getting
along as a group of people who share airspace, germs, whatever,
immune system, like, you know, it's just it seemed just
seemed like.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
A weird symbol, push a weird symbol, weird symbol.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Of people, and they held on to it. Man. You
still see it sometimes, fear based, yeah, and which it's funny, man,
that's what we called COVID for a long time. We
just in my house, we referred to it as the fear.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, like that's just that's just what it was, man.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
And you could see it in people. And I remember
one time, very very vivily, when I realized that there's
no coming back from this. I was at PCC and
beer and early COVID. We're in the We're just walking around, man,
like we never really you know, like we just kind
of lived our life like we weren't very COVID sensitive
to it. And this person we're in the lane, we're

(15:14):
in the you know, the aisle. Someone comes around the
corner and they see us and the fear on their face.
What I've seen that look. I've seen that fear in
human's eyes in my prior career working in prison, I've
seen it. I was like, yo, I'm just buying some
fucking cereal here. You know what I mean, I'm with

(15:35):
my children, you know what I mean, with my wife,
like and this person. And I remember getting back into
the car and talking to Sarah about it, and I
was just like, man, there's no coming back from this,
Like for some people, there's no there is no like
this is there's a new normal and this is how
they're going to be and for some reason, and then

(15:56):
it then it got really political and it became this
thing that like the political parties like latched onto when
to go back to what you were saying about how
the government has always been they have systematically chosen to

(16:18):
not care about certain populations of people. And I remember
looking into the numbers of like, okay, how many Mexicans
being vaccinated, how many Blacks are being vaccinated? How many
Asians are being vaccinated? And the numbers for every ethnicity
other than white was low. Like the distrust well, because

(16:40):
there's a reason for it, right, Like it's a there's
a total reason. Yeah we've seen this, and now it's like, oh,
it's for everybody now, you know what I mean. And
they're putting everybody into this same subclass of people, you know,
and then they just nuke the middle class and everybody
lost their jobs and became reliant upon unemployment and COVID

(17:03):
stemmies and you know, the whole the whole deal, and
and now we're here, you know, now.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
We're and they don't even know where we're going.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, you know, like who knows what the heels of
those policies and those power grabs And.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
What interesting is the shift of money between classes based
on that those.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
The largest transfer transfer of wealth and documented human history.
You know. The one that gets me is like thinking
about the kids, man. You know, like we've got you know,
we've got kids that grew up in that COVID era.
You know, there's kids and if you talk to talking
to teachers, they see it now too. I mean the
kids that grew up being forced, for the most part

(17:49):
to wear a mask, right, Like when you're asking your
two year old to wear a mask, like that shit
sucks rible, and so you.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Have it's completely ineffective on a top. Yeah, there is
no way that they're maintaining hygienic practices. No, it's just impossible.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
And then you're forcing your kid or then you're like, hey,
if you wear the mask, you get to watch Bluie.
If you wear the mask, you get a Mickey D's
chicken nuggy, you know what I mean. And it's like
all of these things that have now like you're kind
of starting to see and read and hear about children

(18:28):
that are behind evelmentally, right, because you have a bunch
of kids that learned and still learn from watching people speak.
And if you can't see someone speak, it's hard to
figure out what they're saying and learning how to talk,
you know, and it's really mood and there the whole

(18:49):
stress forget about it, man, that the stress and anxiety
that it put on families and then being locked up,
you know, in a house with your wife or your
you know.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Trying to explain why, like we can't hug Grandma liked dog.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, we were lucky.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
I think that. You know, Cole was shit. He must
have been I don't know, two or three or something,
you know, and like Rio was just born.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
So Rio Rio came out early, and he came out
March eighth, like a week before everything shut the fuck down.
So like we didn't have protocols in the hospital for him.
Like a couple of the nurses had masks on, but
they were like, I don't know like just whatever, and
so like we quarantined for new baby anyway, so we

(19:34):
like managed for a long time. Like and in the beginning,
we had the fear, you know, we were lies alling
off the mail and like you know what I mean,
we were worried. You know, we saw the propaganda videos
of people dropping dead in the street in China, and
it's like it's.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Not real, dude, It's not real.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
So like once we saw that, like, oh, that's not
what's happening, and you know, this is a different thing,
you know what I mean. We and Cole was in
in preschool, so like he had a good chunk of
time of like you gotta wear the mask to school,
and like we both were like this is not the move,

(20:09):
you know.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
And like with my folks.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
You know, they were they're both in healthcare, so they're
they're fully on board, you know.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
To be, but most of them are. I mean the
people that people in healthcare that that asked questions were
like vilified.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
I mean Quinn had to Quinn had to resign. She
was an r N. I mean I had to.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
I mean I was a bartender, but she was a nurse. Yeah,
and she they you know, they were like at the
hospital here. They're like, if you don't get it, you
gotta go.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
And she was like, Okay, I gotta go.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah, I gotta go home.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
And the nurse manager called her into our office and
was brought to tears, like like, look, we're losing a
lot of good nurses like you, and I think this
is unfair and I think we're going to look back
at this as like a big mistake and I'm sorry
it has to be this way and I wish it wasn't,
but like it is. Yeah, And like shout out my
parents because they are fully invested in in the system

(21:11):
and the.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
The narratives and like they trust the government and they
do all this.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
I mean, I think things are changing now with this
new new mega era that they're.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Seeing.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, but like they really prioritize, Like we got into
a couple, you know, like a couple of arguments, a
couple tense. You know, it got tense, but they really
made sure to prioritize our relationship and the relationship with
the kids. They're like, look, we don't have to agree
on this, Like we may think you're actively doing some.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Harm, but like we love you and we want to be.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
In your life, in the kid's life, and like if
we can figure out where the compromises are, like.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
To see them. Were their stipulations.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
They wanted us to test, they wanted us to wear
masks and the like, all this ship. Like if I
didn't have the kids, I would have been like, fuck this,
I'm just not going to see you like.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
You know, but you know we had, you know, the kids.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
There they and Grandpa.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, they're wonderful, wonderful grandparents yea, And like the kids
are the lynchpin of the relationship and like it's important.
But yeah, I mean, shout out COVID, you know.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Whatever, shout out COVID.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
But that feeling of being like.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Pressured on all sides and being able to live in
your truth or whatever, you you know what I mean.
That that that that I felt like was a something
that really solidified my partnership with Quinn and my just

(22:51):
my trust in my my.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
What I believe in. You know, it was like a
lot a lot of people folded and you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
And that's you think about like I think sometimes about
how many if you if you didn't agree or at
least open to a conversation with your partner on COVID.
That would be wild. That was such a saw. Yeah,
that was such a crazy time. See we SARENI man,

(23:22):
we don't really. Before we moved up here, it was
just it was just us, you know what I mean,
Like we had some we had some people that we
hung out with, but like for the most part, I
mean in Seattle, I mean everybody, everybody was on the track.
Everybody was like, oh six feet masks and that, and
like even like the CrossFit gym when I was at

(23:43):
they were doing the whole masses and I was like, oh,
I'm not I can't. I can't do that. Like I'll
just go I'm gonna train outside. Yeah, you know. And
then we moved up here, it was like again just
being thankful to have a having a partner that like
one it's opened. But then also like trusts you you know,

(24:03):
because like it's kind of a scary deal, you know
what I mean, Like you're look at you're watching news
and it's like, well, shit, man, this is gonna it's
gonna kill everybody, right, Like this is there's no way
of stopping this. Yeah, we're lifeesoling everything, We're wiping down
cardboard boxes, Like man, this is this is it, this

(24:24):
is the end, you know, and then to have to
have it all kind of just like not really have
anything happen, you know what I mean, Like some people, yeah,
some people did die, but you know, it's what are
the other factors in there? You know what I mean?
And that was like the big one, especially with kids, man,

(24:46):
because like I've got I just don't I just don't
want my kids to get vaccinated for anything really, like
you know, and the or that, like you learn about
it or not, you think about it and then read
about it, and then the numbers about it. It's like,

(25:07):
wait a second, my kid can't have solid food for
a year because it might mess up as immune system.
But you want to poke them with things the day's born. Yeah,
Like wait a second. Like how as a parent, like
if it's my responsibility to like ask questions and like

(25:31):
try to understand the best way to raise my kids.
Like if you're gonna tell me I can't ask questions,
I'm immediately not going to trust you. Yeah, like you know,
and that's why I tell my kids now, Like, man,
if anyone says not to ask questions, you don't trust
that person. Yeah, Like even if it's your best friend, right,

(25:54):
Like you should be able to ask questions, especially if
it's going to impact you and your wife know, And
it's been, Yeah, it's been. It's been a fun little
trip man to Yeah, shout out covid N.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
My wife is. My wife is.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Maybe the smartest, the most intelligent person that I know,
and like her and my dad is extremely intelligent, and
like when we you know, we we've always been skeptical,
but like when we first had CoA, we were looking
into the vaccine schedule because I was already like I

(26:33):
don't know if I trust vaccines across the board, Like
do I think that the science of the of a
vaccine makes sense?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, of course. Like do I think there's things that
are effective in work?

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Sure, But like do I do I think that giving
a kid ten shots the day he comes out makes sense?

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Like I definitely don't.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
And she looked like she, you know, she had access
to different papers and civilians do because of her r
N stuff, and like she she put a ton of
her brain power and hours into researching the vaccine schedule
and asking colleagues, asking, you know, people, and like the
only answer she came up for the vaccine.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Schedule had to do with like it makes it.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Easier to schedule people again to come in and finish it.
Like like if you give them, say you have three vaccines,
if you give them only one, it's harder that it's
unlikely that they're going to schedule to come back in
to get the other two.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
So they're like, well, let's just give.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Them all that way, we don't worry about people scheduling
to come back. Like it's it's really you know, there
was no reason other than that.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
So we we picked and chose.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
With CO, we're like, okay, like MMR makes sense, you know,
like you know, blah blah, tetanus maybe makes sense. I
don't know, Like you know, we kind of we picked
what it was and we're like, Okay, we're gonna do this,
and we're not gonna do this, like I don't think
the kids need HEPSI or whatever, you like, they're not
going to clubs and having sex in the bathroom. Yeah,

(28:08):
you know, but like yeah, it's just like she was like, yeah,
I've I've looked through everything and there's no reason.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
For this schedule. So like we're not going to do it.
And like then with Rio, we were like the distrust
factor skyrocketed.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
And I was like, I was like, who knows what
they're giving you? If if if they're pushing this m
r N a experiment and they're saying by all, by
any means necessary, you're going to get it. Like how
do I know they're not giving it to my kid?
Off rip and just not telling me? I don't trust it,
and like that's just my personal thing.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
It's real.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Reel's got uh he's going in for an MMR actually
this week.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
And like even that, I'm like, are we sure you know?
I don't.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
I'm not sure you know, But like all so it's
a compromise.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
I got to defer to. Yeah, but like you know this,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
I mean, there's so much information out there you can
you can scaffold whatever argument you want to make.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, just intuition wise, I don't. I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Well, the hard part is when people, you know, because
we my family, we live differently than the way I
was raised, the way that my brothers raised their families,
I mean, differently than I raised my older sons. Yeah, right,

(29:35):
it's a different it's a different dude, it's a different family.
It's a whole it's a whole different life, yep. And
there's times when it becomes very easy on both sides
to think that one of them that what you're doing
is right, you know, like the way that we live

(29:55):
is right. You know, when it's like because we had
that conference with you know, coming on the drive back
from Seattle this weekend, it's like, because we we're just
a little bit more I would say chill. But like
I raised my I'm raising my sons and daughter too,

(30:18):
to have a long leash and then bring in as
needed instead of short leash and loosen it as as warranted,
you know. And it's opposite with with my brother, you know,
one of my brothers and his kids. Like it's a
it's just a different structure, it's a different dynamic. I mean,

(30:41):
everything is different. And so having that conversation with with Cato, like, man,
that's just one way is not better. It's just this
is what our family does. This is how our family communicates.
This is how our family like it's you know, has
conversations and we we try to figure out like like

(31:01):
really wait, you know, what's really going on? You know,
and it's but it's it's fucking hard though to just
everybody wants to you know, you should be doing this
or aren't you gonna do this? And it's like, no,
I'm not gonna do that, And like I'm quick to
give my mom shit, you know, like she's she's the
most COVID safe and devout covidan that that I know.

(31:25):
I mean still, I mean she was the one, like
you know, the rules when we had to see her
were like, you know, she's gonna wear a mask, she's
gonna do this, you know, and it's like my mom, cool,
like I you do whatever you're gonna do to make
you feel safe so we can see each other as
we can hang out, Like yeah, but just don't just

(31:47):
don't tell me what we gotta do, you know what
I mean, because like it ain't it ain't happening.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
And just just the fact that it was so clearly
fear based at a certain point, like like when you
see say like a grandparents, the grandparents are like wearing
the masks and then they take it off to blow
their nose or eat something, and then they hand it
to the kid. You know, it's like we're not practicing
surgery level hygienic techniques.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
So like none of this ship is mad, none of
it matters. Or like when restaurants would be like, all right.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
We're gonna put tables outside and then we're gonna build
walls and a roof over it so you can eat
outside but.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Inside but outside, and it's like, what, dude, we just
you you have a restaurant.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Or I'm gonna wear my mask to my table, and.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Then it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
It was like but people, but it was like all
the deal man, it was like.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
It was compliance training. Yeah, I agree, but let's get
off this. Let get tired of this fucking cod It's
a you know, I did. What I did.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Want to bring up from what you were talking about
earlier is the.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
There's a there's an equal.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Level of emotion that I feel like when I go
into Seattle and I'm driving over the bridge from the
North End to downtown and I see like Washington and
I see the skyline and the space needle, Like since
a kid, I've always loved that view and seeing that
and like that feels so good.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Now.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
The difference is the city scape is so different and
the experience of being in the city is so different
that I'm like, man, I don't even it's not even worth.
Like I feel the same amount of emotion when I'm
pulling into the port here and like when we dock,
you know, kind of like the thing that our family
says is like.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Ah, it's good to be home.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, like it's good to see this small little town
that we belong in, that we know where we're at
and who's around, and like it's nice.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Man. You know, the people in the community I've noticed
with with Seattle is like my older boys, you know,
they live there and they're they're in the scene, man,
Like they're they're going to punk crock shows under the
Marginal Bridge, you know what I mean. Like they're they're
still there hitting spots at night with their crew, Like
they're they're in the streets of Seattle and trying to

(34:08):
I don't want to like not remind them, but like
it's not the same city man, Like you, it just
doesn't even look the same. The whole skyline doesn't look
the same. Like there's no viaducts, so all of that's
just like developed. But shout out to the graffiti writers
in Seattle, man, they are absolutely destroying the city. They
are destroying the freeways. Like from I five from from

(34:32):
Everett all the way down to the town. It's destroyed,
and good on them.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
I love to see it, man, me too.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
I love it and I all of it, because I'd
much rather see that, honestly than a billboard for Roto
Router Plumbing, or you know what I mean, like something else,
Like I like when I see someone that's like, man,
can I get up there? Yeah? He must have parked
around there, and they did this and this, and like,

(35:01):
oh man, this guy did throw ups for like four
hundred yards. Just what do you? Oh man, that's the
crazy one in the graffiti world where they they have
now brought like legit repelling. Oh man, it's wild. Now.
We used to do where if there was a scaffolding

(35:22):
on a building, we'd climb up there and we'd put
tarps over the scaffold team so no one could see
what we were doing, right, And then we'd have our
lookout would be down on the street pretending he's a
bum and just like being drunk, yelling talking bob, you
know what I mean, Like oh hey, there's the police,

(35:42):
you know, and like then we'd stop fucking painting and
then just like oh man, but now, but now the
kids are just like it's wide open. I mean, because
there was that time where they weren't enforcing graffiti, like
they weren't they weren't policing graffy where it's like man, whatever,
like you could just yeah, you could just paint. And

(36:05):
then all you had to look out for were the heroes,
you know what I mean, the civilians that are like,
I'm gonna beat your ass, you know. And I would
tell my sons that like, look man, like those are
the people you got to look out for. You got
to look out for the middle aged pools that are
looking for a reason to beat the shit out of
some seventeen year old kid, you know what I mean. Like,

(36:25):
and they when you're writing on shit that's not yours,
not a lot of people like that.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
They get that inflamed sense of justice. Oh man, moral
high ground steps in and they're like I'm justified in this.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah. And then you got like a lot of you know,
people that are drawing to do graffiti have that fuck
you mentality, you know what I mean. It's like, yeah, outlaws,
it's like is just be chill, you know what I mean, Like,
even if someone's being a dick, be chill. Just walk away.
You know, they want to citizens arrest you fucking a
whole different thing.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
You know, but like, yeah, the graffiti riders are across
the board, some some wild, wild folks, Like, yeah, that
was not I was not in that life at all,
and I was not in I saw it very peripherally
because the homies were btm and like you know, I
saw very very and you know, going to private school,
it's not like we're yeah, we're not we're not really

(37:19):
doing much.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Uh oh yeah we were. We we were in it, man,
we it was fun. And then I think about now,
how yeah, it kind of all makes sense. Man, We're
all from broken homes. We were all looking for just
like something to do, you know what I mean. No one,
no one wanted to be home, you know what I mean,
Like some of the just some of the buddies were homeless.
So you're sleeping here and sleeping there, and it's like,

(37:43):
all right, we're we're gonna get on that that last
bus into downtown, you know, the night Owl or the
hoot Owl, and then keep that full transfer from the
Metro so that way you can get on that first
bus come four thirty five o'clock in the morning back
into the West and oh man, it was it was fun.

(38:04):
And we're just walk from the EU District into West Seattle,
you know what I mean, just just hanging out, you know,
just walking, talking, bullshitting, you.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Know, like I think that feeling of of that freedom
of being out in the world, like you know, like
when I was a kid, we would in middle school,
high school, we would like I would sneak out of
the out of the house regularly and like hop on
the bike and ride, ride to wherever, Wallingford, ride to LFP, ride,
you know, like and just that that feeling of being

(38:35):
out in the fucking night, you know, like you know
that that it's that excitement of like being.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
With your homies involved. Yeah, and then like we were
you know, I mean Graffiti Cruise. I mean it's a gang, yeah,
I mean it it is a gang. There's no you know,
you don't wear colors like you know some gangs do.
But like I mean you, I mean, you hold your territory,

(39:05):
you know what I mean. Like it's it's it's us
versus everybody. It's the same thing. Man. A lot of them,
a lot of them turn to felonious ways of making money,
you know, like the big one for for us and
the people that we ran with was we would just
wrack shit. We'd steal shit and sell it. Man, there

(39:26):
wasn't there wasn't a safe north face jacket from from
Bellevue or Montlake terrorists all the way down to Tacoma.
Man like. We we would just rack we it was crazy,
man like. And we go into home depot and we'd
steal shit from home depot, take it to another home
depot and no receipt and they give a cash for it.

(39:47):
It was like, Okay, this is this is this is fun.
Let's do this all the way back to Portland and back.
You know what I mean, We're gonna fund this whole
little spaycation, you know, by racking shit.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, But was there a lot of like is there
a lot of turf war type activity? For I've heard that,
like crews will have areas and especially if someone throws
something up over another and.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
That's where like sight right, like you right, And like
what I'm learning now is like my perspective from doing
graffiti and growing up in that world was we we
were a villains. I mean, there's no other way to
put it. Like we were not We were not good dudes,

(40:36):
you know, and learning that not everybody that does graffiti
was like that, you know what I mean. There were
some cats that like they like graffiti and they liked
doing legal walls, right, Like they liked painting legally doing productions,
and it was like, oh man.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Cool, or they just don't live that like ten Hunt,
you know, like Peter Peter is like a good dude
North End kid, like you know, and like amazing artists,
but like he's not he's not out.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
He's not hitting the streets. I mean, yeah, he's not.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Maybe he was.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
I don't I shouldn't. I shouldn't say that, but like
you know what I'm talking about the difference.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Of oh totally. And that's where like and then talking
with my sons now were like, you know, when they
first started doing graffiti, it was like their mom was like, oh,
you gotta you gotta tell them to stop, blah blah blah.
And I was like, man, they grew up going to
the train yard like I would. I would take them
to the train yard so we could watch trains, Like

(41:31):
that's what we would do to kill some time, right,
And it's like they've always been in a house where
like there's writing on everything, you know what I mean, Like,
and now all of a sudden, I'm want to tell him, like, hey, guys,
don't do that, you know, and it.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
It just't believe you.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Yeah no, just it takes everything that I have to
say and puts it into the shithole you know where
It's like, all right, guys, it's all the fun. I
get it. You canna be with your buddies, But here
are some things that you might not know. And I'm
gonna hit you on game because most of the people

(42:11):
that I grew up doing graffiti with are dead or
in prison, you know what I mean. Like, out of
my core group of people that I spent my high
school after high school time with, there's one of them. Literally,
there's like one guy well and a shout out easy man.
I've talked about about him before. Man, he's uh and

(42:32):
he's the best. Like he's just like a you know,
fucking chill dude. Like but mostly I mean, growing up dude,
there was I think when I was twenty I think
when I was twenty four, two of my close friends
had funerals on the same day, you know what I mean,
And like just that kind of life man like people,

(42:53):
you know, and explaining that to my sons of like, hey,
you have to think about this, think of you know
what I mean, Like there's these things that like you
don't quite understand yet, but just know that, like you
don't have to do you know, you don't have to
always say yes, yeah, you know what I mean. Like

(43:14):
and if your friends, you know, are people that you
meet or you know, new acquaintances, new writers, like don't
don't fuck with you because of it, then whatever, man like,
and they totally their crew in the way that they
do graffiti is not how how mey and my friends
did it, Like they're not.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
What are the differences?

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Well, we would I mean no one. I mean if
you were in the West Seattle White Center area, like
all you saw was ups AfD. That's it that that was,
and no one else really came into that area, man
like we you know, other than friends, you know what

(43:57):
I mean, Like we'd bring some you know, it's like
some cat from the North End would come in and
you know, they would do tags and whatnot and we'd
paint with them. But it was like I mean, we
would just hold down Westwood Village, you know what I mean,
Like that was like our spot or the junction in
West Seattle. We would just hold court right there on
this little skate ledge. And there's no like bumping tags

(44:20):
where if you fuck you know, you put a tag
or you paint something like your you know, your tag
wouldn't even touch another another tag or that was fucking
that's no go, you know what I mean? Where now
one that doesn't matter? Right, Like you can bump tags
all all day long. And then it's like realizing that

(44:43):
like not every graffiti writers down to go to bat
for every little tag or every little, you know, slight
microaggression of like oh man, they're they're fucking with me
or they're in my they were here and they didn't fucking
boo boom and and yeah, so it's just been kind
of cool to see with them. And then just like
the evolution of of graffiti and how it's just the

(45:07):
Internet's really it's really made it fucking cool, you know
what I mean. But then it's also like there's not
that and again I'm not actively in the world of
like hitting spots in the you know what I mean,
Like I'm not doing that, but it's like you can
see how the Internet it's not about how long something's

(45:31):
going to run, right, because you get a good flick,
you know. And I mean there's crews that have their
own videographer that are flying drones like taking shots, because
once it's up on the internet, like it's dope for
it's there, it's forever. Where with us, it'd be like
I'm gonna go hit the spot, go back the next day,
find a good angle thirty five millimeters that, you know

(45:53):
what I mean, get get a roll developed, and then
we'd go down to the writer's bunch at Westlake and
you just like pass flicks around from people like you
know what I mean, like and that's where all the writers,
all the you know, because back then it was like
graffiti was a very active role in the hip hop community. Right.
So like you go to the writer's bench, you know,

(46:13):
in front of west Lake Center at the you know
right there at I think it's a Starbucks now if
it's even still there, but that coffee joint right right there,
and you have writers from all of the city. You skateboard, skating,
hitting books, trading flicks, you know what I mean, like
talking shit to girls like well it's the best, you
know what I mean, it was such a good time.
And then now though with it, I mean, they don't

(46:37):
do that. I don't think that. I don't even talking
to my sons and Seattle, like there's no there's no
writer's bench. It's there's not like you know, people go
to shows, you know what I mean. But like and
now graffiti is very much in the punk rock scene
where it's in the less hip hop scene. Interesting, which yeah,
which is it's just a trip man, Like all the

(46:59):
the show was that my boys go to and one
of my sons is doing he's developing and doing merch,
like doing logos and shit for his body's bands. It's
all punk rock. All.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
What do you think the shift was?

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Like? Was it?

Speaker 1 (47:13):
My instinct tells me that like punk rock kind of
was more like it has the rebellion and it has
the independence and the fuck you, but it also like
has a strong current of like the actual art form,
where maybe hip hop went to a place where like
it became more about the the trappings of the lifestyle versus.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Like the actual I think that's.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
What it was. I think it was when hip hop changed,
you know, in all referenced Binary Star when it changed
from hip hop to hip hop. Yeah, right, like when
when you moved away from hip hop being a subculture, right,
like you know everybody, you know, if our generation knew

(48:01):
knew a cat or two that the Puck with Black
Star or you know, you know, I mean Raucous Records
or you know Atmosphere, you know, the the underground rap,
like everyone kind of knew some people that were into
that Black Packers, Yeah, and like and now and then
it changed. I don't know when it. I don't know
cash Money Records or something, but like sometime at some

(48:24):
point it changed. And then and I don't even think.
I mean, and again it was talking talking to my sons,
who were my my pipeline to like what's you know,
what's happening is like there's hip hop and graffiti or
not even they're not even connected, you know. And it's like, man,
I remember that was like one of the five elements

(48:46):
of hip hop. Yeah, but I don't know, man, it's like, yeah,
show graffiti, yeah, you know. And like and then I heard,
speaking of graffiti, there's an artist here on the island
who's at the Salmon Island Art Gallery. Now, God, I'm

(49:08):
blanking on her name, but she's displayed right now, and
it's like a graffiti influenced work. It kind of reminds
me of like a combination of like Banksy and Basquiat.
You know, it's very politically charged, but it's got stencils
of animal and like and it's just it's a.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Trip man like, is it the one in the very front?

Speaker 3 (49:33):
I think in the very front?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Caim that would is that it is?

Speaker 3 (49:36):
That? It?

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah, because Whitie Brumstickle sent me it and was like,
it this little graffiti on our little island, you know,
and it's.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Like, yeah, yeah, Kim Man, shout out, Kim.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Kim is.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Our April show that we open this Friday, the fourth.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
She's going to be the April Show.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
And she is, yeah, graffiti inspired, bosk yacht inspired in that. Like,
you know, she's not gonna get top marks for like
technical ability. She's not doing these photo realistic landscape type vibes.
Her Her art is so clearly an expression of her

(50:19):
story and her passion, and she puts everything that she's
processing in her in her life and and you know
she it's it's there.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
You know, it's.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Vibrant colors, its overlap, its layers, it's pops of stencil,
it's pops of of mantras. She'll write sayings, she'll write
like it's it's a really pure and passionate form of
like expression.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
You know. That's opening here.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
That's opening here.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yeah, this this Friday, that's April fourth, four to eight.
We'll have the house DJ spinning vinyl. We'll have Kim's.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Works up all month, all month.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, it's the April show, which leads us into the Mayan.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Yeah, man, that that's just gonna be fun. I was,
I was thinking about that. I saw Gee who a Yeah,
shout out Gee, man, He's gonna come on the pod.
Shout out Gee on the may right before that opening,
right before that he opens here and the water works
is here, remember the date. But Gee's coming on. He's

(51:21):
a very talented artist from Brazil, lives up here on
the island and his.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Huge murals active like like stays professional.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Yeah man, and like having him on it's gonna be
cool because one, I mean, he's a living, active artist
on this island. Who is from another you know, he's
from Brazil, you know what I mean? Like, how did
you get here? Yeah, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (51:44):
How did art take you.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yeah, because like I ran into him.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
World.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
We he's funny. Man. I had seen uh somehow on
Instagram and then it's like, oh shit, man, I see
that dude to the gym. You know he jacked. He's jacked. Yeah,
he's jack man. He's uh.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I'm like, hey, man, why are you so jacked?

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Yeah, He's like, it's for my art?

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Like, okay, I love that dude.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
That's speaking of. That's a whole nother cool conversation to
have is how physical fitness and art and creative endeavors
are like one and the same.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Well, he's like, he's like, dude, if I'm on a scaffold,
if I'm reaching out, if I'm and contorting my body
like I gotta be fit, I gotta carry buckets of paint.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
I gotta like it's not for the week.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
It's not easy. Yeah. Yeah, it's not as fun as
probably everyone thinks that it is, right, you know, And
that's what I want to talk to him about. And he's, yes,
a shutout key he's coming on. And yeah, I ran
into him because like I heard it he had did
graffiti and it was like the first you know, So
I went up to him and was like, yo, man,
I you know you right? You know. He's like what

(52:52):
I was like, Man, do you write? You know, which
is like do you write graffiti? Yeah? Yeah, you know
what I mean. And it was funny because.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
He was like culturally, he's like what do you copy?

Speaker 3 (53:01):
You know what I mean? And I'm wearing like I've
got an art Primo putty on which art Primo is
a graffiti supply store website when in Seattle it used
to be one in San Francisco, yeah shut up, blink.
And he was just like, yeah, not here, and I
was like, yeah, yeah, of course not here, but like

(53:22):
when where? You know what I mean, Like, what's up? Man,
Like let's let's be friends, you know. And I'm with
I'm with my son Ronan at the time, and I
think they're gonna like link up in Seattle because he
was like, oh man, I'd love to like go out
and like paint actually, you know what I mean, like

(53:44):
do some do some graffiti, which which is cool man,
because he's doing he's doing a crazy mural at the rack,
like the mock up he's doing the over the pool.
There's like a yeah, I don't know spoiler alert, but
it'll be sick and it'll be it'll just be cool
man because he's he's staying active and getting him on.

(54:05):
It'll be it'll be fun and see his graffiti, his
his work, Pablo's work, Tyler's coming up from Portland's work.
It'll just be kind of cool man like to see, yeah,
just to see how it goes and see.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I haven't locked in with Dez much.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Yeah, I haven't really talked to him. I ever really
talk He's probably you.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Know, I'm gonna reach out in the next week or so.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
And because I'm not gonna a dude, Jose can reach
out to him and he's like crazy. You know. He's
got all the all the all the Aztec in my art,
like just on some wild stuff. Man. He's one of
those dudes I remember in high school, like that dude

(54:47):
just lived in the art room, you know what I mean.
He was a dude that like when we when we
were doing graffiti, he was I think he came out.
I think he may have came and painted a couple
of trains with us, but his he was always on
a different level, you know what I mean. He was
apprenticing at Endless Tattoo on thirty bits in Roxbury when

(55:10):
we were he was probably eighteen, you know what I mean,
And that was just like what that was his deal,
like from an artist, that was it. Man, he was
gonna be a tattoo. He was going to tattoo, I remember,
because Endless Tattoo was that. It was cool because that
was where you could buy. They would sell graffiti magazines
there and they would sell at the time, they would

(55:33):
sell caps. They would they like New York fats, skinny
caps like and it was like the only place where
you could get them, you know. And it was like
we'd go in there and there's all old old heads
in there's like Chips and Blues, a couple of brothers
from FA and I think they owned it. I think
Blues owned it. And then like yeah, dads would always

(55:56):
be up in there and Joey would you know, jose
would be up in there and we just like and
fucking grab some caps and crush you know the area,
you know, not there in front of their spot, but
like you know what I mean, But yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Man, shout out Tyler's Tyler's dope. I'm glad you put
me on. He's he's got an awesome.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
His portraits are incredible, his use of coloring.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
And like it's crazy. Yeah, he's cool. And I don't
know how. I don't know how. I I don't want
to say found him, but like I think he does.
I mean, I know he's Uh he's got art displayed
at Ergo in Pike Place, which is probably where I
saw it with Tose. But I was like, yoh man,

(56:41):
this dude is just sick, you know, like just fucking cool. Yeah,
his combinations of colors and and the patterns and formations
of his shapes that then like turn into something else
and then it's like, well, then he's just super active,
you know what I mean. Like he's just like putting
ship out there all the time. And he trains hard.

(57:02):
He trains at a hard style kettlebell gym down in Portland.
And that's how when I think my first message to
him one time was like in his studio there was
a forty four pound kettlebell like on the ground in
the back, you know what I mean. It was like
and think I put on there, like yeah, what's up
with that kettlebell?

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Though?

Speaker 3 (57:21):
You know, because he was like doing on something like
you know, he'll do that like dancing thing where you
just kind of like, man, just get up and dance
in the studio and just like kind of vibe out.
And I was like, yoh, well, it's up with that
kettlebell though, and then it just kind of turned into
like man like fucking training, you know. And then he's
hitting up the hard style kettle bell, which is like
it's an FSG which is strong first gearya, which is

(57:42):
the student Pavel, which is like the guy who brought, yeah,
brought kettlebell training from Russia to here. And yeah, it's
just kind of like a cool thing to bring back
to like the physicality that comes with being a creative,
Like it's like one and the same, you know. That's
what me and Winnie were talking about that, and she

(58:04):
was like, have you ever seen I think it was
Jackson Pollock. I think it was Jackson Jax's passion. Have
you ever seen him creat And I was like, no,
She's like he's very physical with how he paints. Because
I had mentioned how like Jackson Pollock, it's part of
the deal of like if you're going to create things,
I want to get back to that. I want to
get back to that buck Jackson Pollic. But like, because

(58:26):
you have to like whether you're sculpting or even like
you know, painting. I don't know how other people paint
and create things, but like you're always kind of moving
your body and putting your body in a position where
you've got to like hold it here or like you know,
hold the canvas a certain way or like sculpt it here.

(58:47):
And it just like, yeah, it's like supernatural. Like the
concept of being physical and creating art and how they're
like universally entwined was.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Just like, yeah, people think it's like a passive no career.
It's like not, dude, You're you're moving, you're working.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Now back to fuck Jackson Pollock.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah, yeah, fuck that dude.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Yeah, c I a man, man. I read that as well,
and I.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
It was that it was in the Cold War time
when the CIA was funding and pushing American cultural stuff
overseas to like subvert the Russian population so they didn't
back their government, you know, and like Jackson Pollock, I'm
pretty sure it was one of those dudes they put

(59:36):
a lot of money behind. I feel like, I mean this,
They've done this. They do this in music, they do
this in art, they do it all over like all
of those the door all those music guys like have
parents in the CIA or you know, it's like I
put this in a rap bar the other day, I said,
what's what's music to culture?

Speaker 2 (59:57):
When it's intelligent? Central agent?

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Phase?

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Is the asis of certain relevance? You know, like and like,
how how much?

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
How real is it if it's pushed and promoted for
an agenda?

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
But does it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Like does it resonate with you?

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Like? Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Is it real?

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Like are the artists who are being used still legitimate artists?

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Like probably you know, like.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Or do you think they know? Do you think they know?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
That's the other question.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Yeah, upon in that, I don't know, in the big game,
probably not most I would hope not. Yeah, you know,
especially there's probably some shady like here's a bunch of money,
We support what you're doing, we like it. Oh yeah,
you know what I mean. Oh, that's getting into that
fine art world of influence and who influences the influencers.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Is Yeah, it's a it's a rabbit hole.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Yeah, it sure is. Man, it's a and it's a
kind of a fun one too, to like yeah kind
of uh yeah, just just dig into and then realize
there's like I don't know, rules, rules and orders to
the game if you want to like be involved in it,
you know, which is like kind of interesting. It's a

(01:01:12):
fun one to to be thinking about now, you know,
being you know, being an artist and trying to produce
things that I don't want to say to try to sell,
but like whatever, man, if someone wants to buy it,
like cool, this is just kind of how I want
to spend my time. But then realizing and learning that

(01:01:36):
there's certain things that that collectors, you know, purchasers of
art are looking for, and if they don't have these things,
it's just not it's just not going to sell or
it's not going to sell for you know, whatever you
think it's worth. But then it's like, well, fucking what
if it's like not I don't know, man, object, which

(01:01:59):
is of cool, But then also like I don't know,
and we've talked about it, it's like it's kind of
fun to be here in your space, in your gallery
and being kind of at the at the forefront of that,
you know what I mean of, Like, hey man, I
can legitimately influence the the culture and direction of art here,

(01:02:24):
right because a lot of people that come here to
this island a visit. I mean they collect art, yeah,
you know, I mean it's it's kind of I don't
know how the islands became synonymous with arts in the
creative world, but I mean they they really are, man.
I mean there is really a thriving community of just

(01:02:45):
from San Jue Island that I know of here on
the island, of people that are that are doing a
lot of stuff. Man. Like we're talking before the pod
with you put out the calendar with the Island Verse
Collective and it's like, man, that shit has packed. Like
you guys, you guys keep it moving if you work, Yeah,
you work.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Yeah, yeah, well that's a good yeah. This So April
we're at We're at April first. Today, April fourth is
first Friday. April fifth is our iv l C showcase.
That's the poetry nonprofit Island Verse Literary Collective just got
our five oh one C three status approved a couple

(01:03:24):
of days ago, so now we're legit nonprofit and we
can give tax receipts for donations. We can there's a
there's a couple of cool little things that come with
legit nonprofit status. I'm looking into ongoing liquor license for nonprofit,
which like helps get around some of the liquor control
board stuff. Yeah, but most importantly.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
It legitimizes our mission statement, which is platforming island voices,
weaving the islands together with written and spoken word publishing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
House. Long term goal figuring out how.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
To set up the federal structure or whatever to nominate
a poet laureate for Island County, you know, because we're
such a specific piece of geography that like the Seattle
Poet Laureate doesn't represent us per se.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
What is what do you what is the what is
a poet laureate?

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
What is the poet lauriate? Is like a like a
like a I don't know, I don't Maybe it's I
don't know. Federal is not the right word.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
But it's like a recog it's like the recognized poet
that represents a geographical area.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
So there's like the Seattle Poet Laureate there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
And there's just one's just one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Well there's usually an adult in a youth and they
I think their term is maybe a year or something,
and then they like you can apply to be or
like you can be chosen as poet laureate like there's
a port towns in poet Laureate.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
There's a you know kind of how you would get
recognition from the other local creatives and poets, like you
would get your brand, I brand, but like your work out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
There, Yeah, gets your work out there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
You're involved in like different projects for the city, you know, Like, yeah,
I don't know, it's I don't really know what I
would liken it too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Yeah, but yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Know, getting an official poet Laureate for the Islands is
like one of our longer term goals. But in the
short term, our programming is is where we're at. Like
last summer, we brought up Mary Lambert, we brought up
Geo from the Blue Scholars. We just had Danny Scherrard,

(01:05:40):
my co founder's book launch. He's a fucking you know,
youngest poet to win the National Slam, youngest poet to
win the World Cup in Paris, tour the world doing
poems and teaching workshops.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
We're bringing up his.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
The guy who.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Owns the publishing company in la that he's signed to,
a guy named Eric Brown in I think it's May
or April, I don't recall, but yeah, the calendar is
packed so the fifth is our showcase. That's our introduction
as like, here we are, this is the squad. We're
gonna do ninety minutes issh of original poetry, all seven.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Of us.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Combined, ninety poets.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Yeah, but you guys are we're like ten ten minutes set.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Yeah, you know, you don't want to drown people. Yeah, poetry,
but yeah, vinyl set, DJ Pablo, snacks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Beverages, all the stuff. It's a fundraiser.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
It's a raffle.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
So like, we've got a fundraiser goal that we're looking
towards and we're about a third of the way there.
Shout out to Alexis Titarski who got us a third
of the way to our seven one hundred or seven thousand,
five hundred dollars goal. So yeah, we'll be raffling off
like some local business gift cards, some art, uh, some

(01:07:05):
original pieces by.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Some of the gallery artists.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
There's a a two nights stay at Friday Harbor House.
There's a massage session with Sophie Rice and Soul Intentions.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
There's there's a lot of cool stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Man, draw some crossing Friday Harbor stuff in there. If people, uh, yeah,
yeah for sure, man, Yeah, yeah, we can.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
We can give you a tax receipt to write it off.
I don't know what I would do with it, but yeah,
but we could.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Well we could. Oh yeah, man, that's see And that's like, yeah, man,
that's a I love it. I love seeing it. Man.
Whenever you know, I'll catch it on on the on
the socials and I was like, this dude stays, stays working,
stays making moves, man, And it's it's it's it's fun
to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Inspiring shout out to the team, you know. I mean
I can't. I could not do it all myself. I
don't have to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
The iv l C especially is seven extreme, the talented,
ambitious people. So like the writer circle that we have
in here every other Tuesday. I'm barely here anymore. I
let Sherry in a scene handle it. They they run
the programming, they run the scheduling, they run the email.
They they handle it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
And it's going well. Now. People consistent.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
It's the most consistent programming aside from open mic. Yeah,
people are loving it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
There's a core group of seven to ten and nothing
but good feedback.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
The girls come up with great little you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Know that maybe they'll watch a movie or they'll read
certain poetry styles, like the upcoming ones are going to
be tarot based and then like ancient gods.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
So like they'll pick themes for the stuff and it's
like it's real dope.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Yeah, and it can be any style of writing, you know,
it's it's poetry ish, but like whatever, you know, just
write just right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Things same out loud man, put them out there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
We do movie night third Friday. This April is gonna
be on Friday. We're gonna watch Boz Luhrman's ninety six
Romeo and Juliet, and then the next night there's gonna
be a ticketed private happy hour.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Costumes. You gotta dress up either cat you remember that movie?

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
So the Montagues have like the floral prints and the
beach bum and then the Capulets are fucking dul chain
gabon it out and the black cell.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
You guys are doing that here. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
So you gotta pick your house and dress accordingly. Uh
and drink cocktails oh yeah, yeah, man, all sorts of stuff.
Gaby Lucas, a Seattle stand up comic, is coming up
to do.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
She has a bit about the pig war.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
She debuted it last year and then took it to
the Edinburgh Fringe Festival.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
So she's coming back around April twenty six, yeah man.
And then it's up from there, you know, all the socials,
yeah man, at fuck what.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Myself at a waterworks gallery. Everything else can be found
through that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Yeah, found through there, well, ship man. Again, there's always
a pleasure, always a good time. So we uh we
kicked some masks this morning in the gym and then came.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Right here and uh, I'm still hurting.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Yeah man. Yeah, you think you're fit and then you run,
you know, and then it's and then and then it's
a wrap. Then it's like, yo, this four hundred meters
is fucking lamb. I don't want to do this ever again.
And then you do it with Friday Harbor run Club's
own Jenny Geyser and take Guyser, the younger brother. They
come in and just like handle business, they've got the

(01:10:41):
gas tank. Oh man, it's a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Well, shout out, shout out CrossFit, Friday Harbor, shout out
the Wreck.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
It's really been a game changer in my life, having
the consistency of the fitness.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
So oh yeah, this is what we do. Man, come
join us, and until next time, beat the light.